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Today, You Begin Your Training as a Scientologist

Up_The_BridgeWe’re starting a new feature today, and we’re really excited that Claire Headley has agreed to help us out! Claire is well known among Scientology watchers for the way that she and her husband Marc escaped from the International Base after many years as “Sea Org” workers. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. And now she’s going to help us as we take a trip up L. Ron Hubbard’s famous “Bridge to Total Freedom.” That’s right — we’re all going to train to be Scientologists, and tally up the costs along the way!

Claire, we don’t know if this was always the case, but at least in recent decades, for most people their first encounter with Scientology is the “Oxford Capacity Analysis.”

When we see signs that advertise a “free personality test,” they’re talking about the OCA, right? But when they say “free stress test,” is that something else?

CLAIRE: As long as I can remember, the OCA was used as a hook to get new people (infamously referred to as “raw meat”) into Scientology.

I did the HQS course (Hubbard Qualified Scientologist course) in 1987/88 in England when I was 12, and at that time one of the steps of the course was to get someone to purchase a Scientology service, which I did by going to the London test center and bringing people in to do personality tests.

It starts as “Hi, would you like to take a free personality test?” Hey, who isn’t curious about a personality test!

Ironically, at least in my opinion, there’s no such thing as “passing” the personality test.

No matter what the results, there’s always something wrong with you, and the test evaluator is trained to get the person to see how they need to take a course in Scientology to address that. For example, in the scenario where someone gives the optimal answer for all or most of the 200 questions that comprise the test, the evaluator would then convince the person that they were in a false state of happiness, and were not really confronting the true state of affairs in their life, thus their need to do a course in Scientology.

THE BUNKER: So even if you’re completely grounded and a happy person, Scientology wants you to believe you’re being unrealistic about what a hot mess you really are. You know, something tells us that most Scientologists never lose that feeling. Anyway, what’s in the test?

CLAIRE: The OCA questions are broken down into 10 different categories or traits.

The test has 200 questions, each of which are to be answered yes, no, or maybe. Typical questions:

3. Do you browse through railway timetables, directories or dictionaries just for pleasure?
6. Do you get occasional twitches of your muscles, when there is no logical reason for it?
27. Do you often sing or whistle just for the fun of it?
30. Do you enjoy telling people the latest scandal about your associates?
59. Do you consider the modern prisons without bars system “doomed to failure”?
69. Does emotional music have quite an effect on you?
105. Do you rarely suspect the actions of others?
124. Do you often make tactless blunders?
196. Do you sometimes feel that your age is against you (too young or too old)?

The OCA test evaluates and scores against personality characteristics such as “Stable,” “Happy,” “Composed,” “Certainty,” “Active,” “Aggressive,” “Responsible (Causative),” “Correct Estimation” (meaning the person’s ability to look at a situation and determine what is needed to deal with it), “Appreciative,” and “Comm[unication] Level” (meaning the person’s ability to communicate with others).

Each trait is scored on the scale of +100 to ?100, with three main bands marked “Desirable State” (+100 to +30), “Normal” (+30 to 0) and “Unacceptable State” (0 to ?100). In the middle are two shaded bands, “Acceptable under perfect conditions” (about +32 to about +6) and “Attention Desirable” (about +6 to about ?18).

THE BUNKER: That’s a pretty complicated answer key if everyone is just going to be labeled defective. So how about the stress test?

CLAIRE: The free stress test is something else. That’s where E-meters are set up, and people are asked to hold the cans while the volunteer asks about people or things in the subject’s life, fishing for a reaction on the E-meter that indicates an area of “stress.” The idea is to “prove” to the person that the E-meter works, while also showing them they have areas of stress in their lives and to get them to buy a Scientology book.

This is a more recent development, put in place by Scientology leader David Miscavige, and implemented along with his “Ideal Orgs.”

When I was growing up in Scientology, I never heard nor saw a stress test being delivered.

Back then, at least in England, they did pinch tests as the means of demonstrating the E-meter worked.

You’d hold the cans, and the person would tell you they were going to pinch you and then ask you to recall the moment of the pinch. On asking to recall the moment of the pinch, the needle would surge. And if it didn’t, you’d get a harder pinch.

THE BUNKER: Yeeouch. OK, well, we’ll assume we’ve taken the OCA, and no matter what we answered, we’ve been told we’re a disaster. And only Scientology can fix us! Fun times.

COST THIS WEEK: $0

COST SO FAR: $0

 
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SMERSH Madness: Sowing the Seeds of World Domination!

As we announced on March 1, we’re joining bracket fever with a tournament like no other. It’s up to you to decide who should be named the new SMERSH, the traditional nemesis of Scientology. Cast your vote for who’s doing more to propel the church down its long slide into oblivion!

Continuing in the first round, we have TWO great matchups this morning…

RathbunRinderVsTBTimes

Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder were two of the highest-ranking officials in the Church of Scientology for more than twenty years. Since 2009, the two have made life miserable for their old boss, church leader David Miscavige, with a devastating campaign of publicity and involvement in court cases. Through the use of Rathbun’s blog in particular they’ve encouraged many longtime, loyal Scientologists to abandon Miscavige and the church, but the sheer amount of surveillance and harassment each has experienced should indicate what a threat Miscavige considers them.

Tom Tobin and Joe Childs of the Tampa Bay Times are the deans of Scientology journalism. Their 2009 series that exposed violence at Scientology’s International Base, and their 2011 project on the money side of Scientology provided the bedrock material that most of the rest of us work from. Consummate professionals, these two quiet guys go about their work with little fanfare and never seek the spotlight. We shudder to think what their next blockbuster takeout will uncover.

 
And the second half of our double-header…

 
KatieVsDavid

Katie Holmes changed everything. When she surgically removed herself from her marriage to Tom Cruise, she sent a clear message that she was fully aware of Scientology’s potential to cause her trouble. Not only did she outwit the church, she created a new media environment that has not dissipated: from supermarket rags to business publications, everyone wants a piece of the Scientology story. And as her daughter Suri grows, Katie’s vigilance is going to keep that story on the front pages.

David Edgar Love was shocked at what he saw when he worked at the Quebec branch of Scientology’s drug rehab program, Narconon. Unlike others, however, he’s made it a personal mission to expose Narconon’s deceptive business practices, and his hard work paid off with the closing of the Quebec facility. He then turned his attention to Narconon’s flagship facility in Oklahoma, and it’s now teetering on the edge of disaster. Overworked, underfunded, and always exhausted, David Love is a one-man wrecking crew.

 
An update on our tournament so far:

L. Ron Hubbard defeated Steve Cannane (by one vote!)
Debbie Cook defeated John Sweeney
Nancy Many defeated Paul Thomas Anderson

 

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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 5, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • 1subgenius

    The OCA always reminds me of this:

    THE NORTH DAKOTA NULL-HYPOTHESIS BRAIN INVENTORY

    Answer true or false.

    1. I salivate at the sight of mittens.
    2. If I go into the street, I’m apt to be bitten by a horse.
    3. Some people never look at me.
    4. Spinach makes me feel alone.
    5. My sex life is A-okay.
    6. When I look down from a high spot, I want to spit.
    7. I like to kill mosquitoes.
    8. Cousins are not to be trusted.
    9. It makes me embarrassed to fall down.
    10. I get nauseous from too much roller skating.
    11. I think most people would cry to gain a point.
    12. I cannot read or write.
    13. I am bored by thoughts of death.
    14. I become homicidal when people try to reason with me.
    15. I would enjoy the work of a chicken flicker.
    16. I am never startled by a fish.
    17. My mother’s uncle was a good man.
    18. I don’t like it when somebody is rotten.
    19. People who break the law are wise guys.
    20. I think beavers work too hard.
    21. I use shoe polish to excess.
    22. I like mannish children.
    23. I have always been disturbed by the size of Lincoln’s ears.
    24. I always let people get ahead of me at swimming pools.
    25. Most of the time I go to sleep without saying goodbye.
    26. I am not afraid of picking up doorknobs.
    27. I believe I smell as good as most people.
    28. Frantic screams make me nervous.
    29. It’s hard for me to say the right thing when I find myself in a room full of mice.
    30. I would never tell my nickname in a crisis.
    31. A wide necktie is a sign of disease.
    32. As a child I was deprived of licorice.
    33. I would never shake hands with a gardener.
    34. My eyes are always cold.

    • DodoTheLaser

      That’s pretty funny, 1Subgenius!
      And not too different from OCA.

      Good catch!

      • 1subgenius

        I always admire the wisdom of people who agree with me.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Haha! Aren’t we all?! Is that North Dakota thing for real or you made it up?
          The title itself cracks me up!

          • Are_sics

            The NDN-HBI is evidence that the new title of 1supergenius is deserved!

          • John P.

            Interestingly, this “test” dates back to an Art Buchwald column that ran in syndication in 1965… It’s a satire on the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, a long true/false test that has been around for years. Since it’s a contemporary of the Oxford Capacity Analysis, who’s to say that Hubbard didn’t “borrow” liberally from the enshrined wisdom in this analytical tool, perhaps not realizing that it’s satire.

            • Poison Ivy

              To me, the OCA sounds like Hubbard asking way too many questions with the subtext 1) How easy are you to manipulate? and 2) Are you as whacked out as me? So many of the questions sound like Hubbard reaching out for a kindred spirit.

            • That test is very similar to other tests administered by psychologists.

            • ParticleMom

              I’ve been to a few different psychologists. I go when I have big changes to make in my life, like leaving an abusive husband. I have even been to a couple of psychiatrists, for example when diagnosed with ADHD. I have never been administered any tests, nor asked any questions as ludicrous as these.

              You may want to reconsider your psychologist.

            • cyninoregon

              I went to psychologists and a psychiatrist as well, to learn to deal better with stress, pain from injuries, divorce, death of loved ones. Was givven that test a number of times. The real MMPI. Asks the same q1uestions repeatedly in different form. Made me crazy. JK

            • califa007

              It is, except that it contains too many ambiguous items. I doubt it was ever normed. I remember when I took it being stumped on whether or not I’d put an injured animal out of its misery by killing it. I wanted to know if there was a vet nearby. Was it small enough to pick up and put in my car? Was my car even there? Was it likely to bite me? Did I have a cell phone? Was it an endangered species and would I be jailed for killing it? Or just fined? What to do, what to do….

            • Karen Eckhoff

              Funny, I see that question much differently. To me it asks if you have the fortitude to commit the act of killing if in your mind it was humane. It is a question I had to answer in real life when I was considering becoming a vet tech. I found a squirrel outside my house with a broken back, which looked like it had been mauled by a cat. I knew there was no chance of survival, so I decided if I had the fortitude to kill this animal humanely, I could pursue my chosen career. So, I wrapped it in a towel and smashed its head with a brick. Squirrel died immediately, and I became a vet tech. Many people since then have said they could never euthanize an animal, and I consider it a strength of character that I can face a task others say they cannot. It does occur to me there is a dark side to this question. This is the same fortitude a solider must have to kill. The ability to take a life is perhaps a strength and a weakness. And perhaps indicates how willing you might be to do horrible things to people if you can be convinced it is justified, which is definitely what they want in a scientologist.

            • califa007

              Wow! I wrote that comment so long ago, I had forgotten about it! Your response is very well taken and I agree, but my point was that legitimate, normed psychological tests do not ask ambiguous questions. If a test item can be misinterpreted or interpreted in more than one way, if it suggests multiple scenarios, that item would be eliminated in the test construction phase. Test items have to be both valid and reliable. They have to test what you think you’re testing and do it consistently. The item in question was not valid. Too many unstated assumptions had to be made. A better question would have stated there was no chance of survival if that was the case. Anyway, the Oxford is just another scam. That question is like asking “Have you stopped beating your wife.”

            • grundoon

              The OCA questions and answers don’t matter. What matters is that you await the word of a complete stranger to inform you about the contents of your own head, how you compare to what they say is “the norm” and what work you need to do on yourself. You invite them to take on the role of being the expert authority on your own inner life. You take the first step to allowing a self-proclaimed “scientific” poo-bah to take charge of your spiritual well-being. The phony test is just a prop.

            • Jgg2012

              They should just ask “Are you gullible?” and “how much is in your bank account?”

            • FistOfXenu

              Thanks John P. I just asked about that. Art Buchwald? I must’ve missed that day.

    • Ze Moo

      “16. I am never startled by a fish. 28. Frantic screams make me nervous.” Sounds like some good old fashioned psychology to me, Lron or not.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Sounds like L.Ron’s admissions to me.

    • FistOfXenu

      Hilarious, 1sub! Of course, it needs a maybe/sometimes answer just to appear as real as the OCA (!) but I can see using this as a spoof for something or other.

    • 1.Yes.
      2.Aren’t we all?
      3. Yes.
      4.No.
      5. No.
      6. Yes.
      7. Yes. *evil laugh*
      8. Duh.
      9. Not since the Oscars. Now it makes me feel like one of the cool kids.
      10.No.
      11. Yes.
      12. I’m sorry, could you read that to me. I can’t read or write.
      13. Yes.
      14.Yes.
      15.Yes.
      16. No.
      17. Which one?
      18. Yes.
      19. No.
      20. Yes.
      21. No.
      22. No.
      23.No.
      24. No.
      25. Yes.
      26. Yes.
      27. No.
      28. Yes,
      29. No.
      30. Yes.
      31. No.
      32. Yuck, yuck, yuck. I mean, no.
      33. No.
      34. I don’t know. I’ve never felt them.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Wow! That test is so spot on!

      • Quack! Spot on for what? Cleaning your carpet maybe. Here’s re the voting, my view: I voted for David Love! I adore Katie for how she broke up w/ Tom
        Cruise–and yes, it did make a strong statement. However, David love has
        KICKED SOME SERIOUS ASS re the “church” of $cientology and Narconon,
        shined a light on this abusive, phony “drug rehab” BS organization that
        shall never be forgotten. Both have helped, but my vote is w/ the Love
        man, always. πŸ™‚

        • DeElizabethan

          I agree Tory. David gathered many documents and went to many authorities which closed some places and helped bring lawsuits.

          Katie was fantastic in that she left Tom and recieved lots of press because of who they were. David also fantastic mainly because of what he’s done and is still doing.

        • Jgg2012

          Tory, in case you don’t know, OT8 is a satirist. He is saying what Davey would say if Davey were not hiding from public view.

        • Shelia

          Just checking out this church until I saw all of this

    • i-Betty

      “16. I am never startled by a fish” – hehe πŸ˜›

    • This is gold. I’ve never seen this but a Google search shows what I was missing all of these years. Hot dang, this test is beautiful.

    • ParticleMom

      Hysterical. Sounds like LRH’s inspiration to me!

    • It only took me five hours, but I took this test (I fought with myself over many questions). Here are my results (and many here would agree with this assessment):

      Your Result

      CLASSIFIEDThe Centers for Disease Control have notified us that whatever you have could be weaponized, and the Department of Homeland Security has determined that we are not allowed to release your results.

    • nessness

      I felt drawn to reply…. and of course not use yes, no or maybe….because that it how we roll up here… freakin rules, don’t need no freakin rules

      1. its drool actually, sucking a mitten at sugaring off with the snow and the boiled maple sap is yummy

      2. I’m not very apt

      3. Their loss

      4.. Green is the new lonely

      5. My real life is B-yootiful if we are doing the alphabet

      6. You are not welcome in our city

      7. As long as they were never your pets

      8. OK, you have me there

      9. It makes you?

      10. too much of a good thing…

      11. so become a coach of an NBA team

      12. so how did this number get to be populated πŸ™‚

      13, now think about it a little bit longer, structural argument… think

      14.. a scientologist who is the only one who will make a difference

      15. I always thought it was a chicken sexer but then americans don’t like that direct language

      16. but a group of fish might really scare me, don’t they call that a school??

      17. she didn’t have an uncle

      18. That usually means they are dead, so me too

      19. not so wise

      20. indeed, they are on the Canadian nickel, those damn giraffes look like they have too many stretch goals as well.

      21, blackened your soul did you?

      22. I like boys too, they are fun

      23. did they creep up on you and make a noise?

      24. work on your australian crawl, it is a faster stroke

      25. Most of the time I go to sleep without really noticing I am going to sleep

      26. Be afraid, especially of scientologists with doorknobs

      27. My sense of smell is a bit better than most actually

      28. The regular ones are quite calming, don’t you think?

      29. I didn’t know mice had their own rooms, I would apologize for intruding and leave quietly

      30. The question is, why would anyone want to know that in a crisis…Hello bootsie, how are you nibbles? Get a load of that nuclear device Kumquat!

      31. the ’70s disease…

      32. I was also deprived of scientology, however I now see that as a gift

      33. I would never shake hands with a gardener….who was spreading manure

      34. Hey man, got some of those pink ones?

  • DodoTheLaser

    I’m glad to see Claire found the cheaper and funner Bridge – wi-fi music router thingy!
    Interesting new feature, Tony!

    • Poison Ivy

      I love you Claire and Marc, for so much, but also for your sense of humor and absurdity. I’m sure that is part of what saved you once you got out!

  • Observer

    Yay Claire! I’m really looking forward to this series.

    I went for Tobin and Childs. Earthbound and Rinder certainly deserve credit for enturbulating Davey, but I’m wary of anyone still drinking the Clam-Aid. T&C are and have been exposing the “church’s” slimy underbelly, not trying to rehabilitate it, which seems to be Marty’s goal.

    Props to Katie, who schooled Tom Cruise in an incredibly savvy and fun-to-watch way, but I have to go with David Love. He is in the trenches, has suffered the loss of his daughter through disconnection, and is still facing NarCONon down. He is one oft heroes.

    • Missionary Kid

      I like “Clam-Aid”

      • Poison Ivy

        I know! A concert to free the RPF – called “Clam-Aid!”

        • FistOfXenu

          Okay, I’m sitting in a coffee house and I just laughed so loud 4 people just turned around and looked at me like “wtf!”

          I like the idea. It could be a whole campaign. Concerts called “Clam-Aid” held in parks near $cientarCONon places with music (can we get Code of Honor to come?) mixed with those heart-rending appeals for the helpless clams. That part could be videos and stills of the people in RPF from the last time they were seen. Bob Geldof could do the voice overs. Mini tasters outside orgs to advertise the big concerts. Web casts. The whole bit. We could all wear clam lapel pins and earrings and necklaces and t-shirts saying “Clam-Aid”.

          Is it possible to make clam shell looking masks for people that want to switch up with V masks?

        • Observer

          Any Clam-Aid concert must contain joking and degrading of We Stand Tall, including the shortest person present front and center, wearing some kind of hideous shirt, belting out whatever is being sung.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyNh1j3dsp8

          • FistOfXenu

            Could we stand him on a box behind a podium?

            • Missionary Kid

              Or shorten it.

  • DodoTheLaser

    “Today, You Begin Your Training as a Scientologist”

    Thank you, Tony, but I already did that.

    Can I get a space cadet training now or something?

    • TonyOrtega

      For those who have been through it, please tell us your memory of it!

      • sharon brown

        Tony , has anyone reminded you of how Awesome you are lately ? You are , and I Love you for All you have done to shine the light on this insidious ” church” ! You’re definitely a Hero ! Here’s to Xenubusting!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Ok. If I ever write a book, that would be rough Table of Contents:
        (And yes, I would need a good editor to fix my grammer and style)

        – Fear. L.Ron Hubbard, Stephen King, sci-fi and me.

        – The Way To Happiness. Common sense makes sense. So as the walk in a park.

        – Dianetics: The Modern Science Of Mental Health. My existential struggle. Intro to verbose world.

        That’s it for Chapter 1, I think. It’s too loaded already. πŸ™‚
        Now where’s my space cadet training discount cupon?! j/k

        • Are_sics

          I’ll volunteer time to edit. Just the Chapter 1 subheadings have drawn me in completely.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Thank you kindest. Seriously.

            • Are_sics

              You’re welcome, seriously. I do want the book. I “do” grammar well, even if I’m not a real-life editor. So if you ever get around to writing, I’m all in. I want to read it.

        • ParticleMom

          There is nothing wrong with your style, i like it. And everyone needs an editor.

        • DeElizabethan

          I can relate Dodo Bro.

          When I did the first test I thought I did pretty good, ha. I didn’t like the faults they came up with and them telling me how the courses would take my ups and down graph better. In a period of 8 years I believe I only took one more test. but then I guess I didn’t need more since I was a buying student and PC.

          The pinch test was only other thing they had and I thought Oh, hmn, OK.

          I read years later that if you say “maybe” too much means you don’t have self confidence or certainty. I did that a lot in the past, but pretty much don’t now. I’m sure that wherever I would’ve studied for knowledge, I would’ve learned just as well, as I did before and after the cult years.

          I got in when I was about 35 years old with a husband incarcerated in another state after helping him for many years. So I was ripe for a new and better life with new friends and hopefully some answers I hadn’t found.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Thank you for the invitation. Here is a quick one on my first years. I hope it is worthwhile. I suspect things haven’t changed much at all.

        I first became aware of Scientology in the late 1960’s through an older cousin. He introduced me to their drill TR-0, Bullbait, at my mother’s kitchen table. I was 16. To do this drill, I sat across from him, straight faced, while he tried to make me laugh. Soon I was enrolled in the Scientology communications course.

        At the time, the cult had only existed for 15 years or so. It claimed to be a new science that would soon be widely accepted. I considered this possible. After all, change was in the air. Men were about to walk on the moon. Paranoia was in the air too, because of the Viet Nam War and nonsensical drug laws. To distrust the advice of adults seemed like good sense. Given all that, a branch of science that laid down the precise characteristics of the human soul didn’t seem so far fetched.

        I took the HCC and the HQS courses from the cult but I didn’t complete the second one, because I found the other members impossible to work with. It was the avarice and foolishness of the more established members that troubled me. I was also suspicious of the scientific claims of the cult because they would produce no evidence. Even asking a clear about his abilities was considered to be bad manners. Still, many seemed to be enamoured with Scientology and I did not want to jump to harsh conclusions. When I left, I reasoned that since Scientology claimed that everyone in the world would be a scientologist within four years, scientific validation, if it were ever to come, would be just around the corner. I could wait.

        I could go on. Seven family members were involved. Though I didn’t lose a lot of money and I wasn’t in for long, it’s effect on the family was considerable.

        • Poison Ivy

          What’s impressive, Korgo, is you retained your ability to reason and think critically. I’m sure that’s what saved you. I wonder why some like you are able to do that, and others (intelligent people like Paul Haggis and Jason Beghe) are not?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I have a theory that they all retain it…but they compartmentalize it and some of them seem to be able to access it better…allowing them the quickest way to the door.

            • Poison Ivy

              Smart, BTN. It seems to come back once most people leave (unless they end up at Marty’s blog!). So you must be right.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              For BTN2. A lot of people leave and say that they never really believed it or had huge doubts all the while they shelled out the money, work and time. That they never really believed it may be true or it may be an attempt to rationalize their huge mistakes. It may be parts of both. It may also be that EVERYONE who is ever involved knows inside that it is baloney, but it is their baloney, and they are going to defend it. Some one will take a close look at that one of these days.

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s a part of the reason that the Independents still cling to LRH

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Thanks. I could go on and on, but so could most of us.

            From what I understand most people blow the second course and don’t get swept away by it all. On the other hand one family member was in for 23 years. One, about 45 years later, retains a Scientological view of life, though in the “freezone”.

            I was on the sidelines, largely unaware of developments because the press wasn’t reporting and the people I knew who were involved weren’t talking. When things changed on the internet and with a local community of protesters, I became part of it.

            • DeElizabethan

              What a neat story and thanks for sharing. I love to hear the differences of people’s connection to the cult as they are mostly different yet similar. Here in one family shows so much. Good on ya!

    • FistOfXenu

      Discount? Sure thing. But 2 months down the road you’ll be told you overran a couple of processes and have some out-tech, sent for Ethics handling at full price, then told you have to repeat everything from the beginning. Also at full price.

    • RMycroft

      I’m sure that you can find the spiny ride thingy at the local county fair.

    • Captain Howdy

      Actually any scientology processing you received is credited by NASA because you’ll be doing the same thing you’d be doing as a scientologist, sitting on your ass waiting for your non-existent trip into space.

  • sharon brown

    How long til we become OT’s ? I want to fly and could also use the IQ boost ! lol, Observer, I was thinking the same about those still believing the problem is just Tiny Fist and still believing in the ” tech” . I went for Katie in the 2nd one ,as the way she left and the pending (5 seconds ) divorce kept $cions in the news and probably got more “wogs” interested in, ” what could be So bad ?” Major dissemination of enturbulation ! It doesn’t appear that March is going to any less stressful than the last 2 months, who says 13 is a bad number, unless you’re part of $cientology. Ready for the death spiral, though where they spin crash and burn !

    • Poison Ivy

      It’s a tough choice. Katie was the bursting dam that started the flood – for the average “wog”, anyway. But Love – he’s a force to be reckoned with, even though his focus is more narrow (Narconon.) Tony, you need to make these matches easier!

  • Puppetmama

    Katie Holmes against David Edgar Love is an unfairly hard choice! Love has certainly worked harder at his SPdom (SPness? Esprit de SP?). Still, Katie, by virtue of fame and placement managed to do so much damage! Aargh!

    • scnethics

      I’m with you – it’s tough!

    • Snippy_X

      Very tough. Each new match up forces me to rethink my rubric, but if the perfect rubric exists, we’d then have the road map to stop the abuses and harm to society, so it is a worthwhile exercise.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I know it!.
        This is hard on all accounts!
        I want to vote for all four choices as they are all devastating to the cult.

    • FistOfXenu

      Yep. I really wanted to vote for Katie. A lot of people who don’t care about $cientarCONon in general but follow the celebrities (which is why LRH targetted them in the 1st place) must’ve sat up and noticed when she put the smackdown on TC and DM. And I admit I like her eyes. Sorry but c’mon, nice eyes, really.

      But the kind of people that think celebrities are Important don’t really have a great attention span or a lot of influence over how the world works. But Dave Love kicked $cientarCONon in Canada into Faildom, and his work against their addiction fraud in general is for long term saving lives. And like Snippy says, he’s reaching lawmakers and people like that, and they can make a permanent difference. So in the end it’s Dave.

      Sorry Katie. But I still like your eyes.

      • CraftLass

        I don’t even follow celebrity news, but Katie’s defection made me hear the words “Sea Org” for the first time (on my local news, no less, since she moved to NYC and was pretty much the headline for days as reporters followed the goons following her) and that’s what sent me on a mission to learn what the heck that was, which led me to ESK and Tony’s old blog and on down the rabbit hole. If it weren’t for Katie, I may never have known there was a Sea Org. Even in my adventures investigating various religions I had always sort of dismissed Scn as too small to pay any attention to, just a footnote, not a real story. Boy, was I shocked when I started learning more!

        So, for me, personally, Katie Holmes was the worst thing that could happen to Scn, because it created yet another person who tries to spread the word about their abuses, and I am hardly the only one. Then there’s the effect she had on major media, their newfound lack of fear means that many millions more will at least be able to make an educated decision when confronted with the OCA or stress test.

        On the other hand, Love has become an absolute hero to me, and how does one vote against that? Even if I would never have heard of him without Katie’s escape… *sigh*

        These are some really tough choices today!

        • FistOfXenu

          I stand corrected CraftLass. And that makes it even harder for me. Thanks – I think. πŸ™‚

          • CraftLass

            Heck, despite what I said, I’m still ambivalent and have yet to vote! Tough choices. I have a feeling this will only get tougher… And more fun πŸ™‚

            The thing about Katie is she really transcends the celeb thing. I’ve never seen her act, even. I avoid celeb news whenever possible (I’ve known enough celebs to know that most of it is more fictional than most novels, anyway). But, whether she wanted to or not, her involvement with TC created a lot of bad buzz about CofS long before she made her escape and twisted the faucet wide open once she did.

            Damn, the more I debate myself, the less I know how to vote!

            • N. Graham

              She was good in Mad Money and Teaching Mrs. Tingle. Too bad Tommy Boy probably stunted her career a bit.

            • richelieu jr

              Yeah, you could say that- He talked her out of starring in The Dark Knight.
              No big loss…

            • N. Graham

              Oh yeah, that wouldn’t have done anything for her, being in Dark Knight, one of the top selling films on Earth and the Marcabian Confederacy. I guess that was a really wise move.

            • CraftLass

              I’ve always heard good things about her, even from some acting snobs. She just hasn’t done anything I’m interested in (to my knowledge). Maybe that will change now that she’s an independent woman again. πŸ™‚ Or if I manage to scrape together enough money for Broadway tickets if she gets a better show next time. Ahhhh, Broadway: Where the quality has tanked and the prices have skyrocketed. They should try putting up some good shows instead of relying solely on celebrity power.

      • Unex Skcus

        Ditto!

    • aquaclara

      Esprit de SP….love this tag!
      Trumps to you for fav word of the day!

  • sharon brown

    Thanks Claire , Marc’s book was the first I read , I felt his pain all the way through. So thankful you guys were able to get out and have a family ! Again, Thanks for taking time to share with us !

  • Graham

    Just to be clear- the OCA has NOTHING to do with Oxford. Typical bullshit con-artist’s trick, to take a worthless made-up unvalidated piece of junk and name it after something prestigious. How many people would assume it must have been created at Oxford University?

    • TonyOrtega

      Thank you for pointing that out. Should have done so in the post.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I don’t think it refers to Oxford, the institution.. I’m thinking it’s named after the popular 1950’s shoe.. Maybe before ‘hatting,’ shoeing was the thing.. Btw, this chick would make an awesome scientologist..

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DYy1Fam6n8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

      • FistOfXenu

        OH GAWD MAKE HER STOP! IT HURTS! IT HURTS! Seriously, WE should pay her to be a $cientarCONonist recruiter. That incessant whine would drive people away like a bomb scare in a restaurant. Doesn’t she ever breathe?

        • Missionary Kid

          She breathes through her shoes.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Oh god….I have drank way too much diet Dr. Pepper this afternoon.
            You people are killing me.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll take any compliments from you. Since you’re drinking Dr. Pepper, are you in Texas? It almost seems to the the state drink.

            • Captain Howdy

              Dr Pepper is the most requested death row “last meal” beverage. It’s also my personal favorite.

            • Missionary Kid

              May you drink it only in happiness and never that way.

            • BosonStark

              Why wait until death row, right? If I’m ever on death row, I’m going to eat a brick of cheese, like George Costanza. But, I could have a Dr. Pepper right now, but I hate the stuff.

            • Captain Howdy

              The reason it’s the most popular drink on death row is because Dr Pepper has always been popular down south and most executions in the US take place in the south/southwest.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Flor-eh-DUH

            • Missionary Kid

              Duh!

          • FistOfXenu

            Lulz for that. Explains a lot.

      • Missionary Kid

        Perfect! I have this urge to strangle this vacuous word salad spewer.

        Like, she’s sooo cute in those shoes because they make her look so together.

        • I was wondering if that was just me.

          • Missionary Kid

            Maybe it’s a guy thing, but while she looks nice in all her outfits, her mouth and preoccupation with style make her ugly.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Thank you for posting this!
        After watching that I feel like Stephen Hawking.

        If you will excuse me I must go read Hegel’s “Phenomenology of Spirit” before lunch hour is over.

        Because after that…I am pretty sure I can knock it right out.

        • Ziontologist

          Funny you should mention Hegel! I was just reading, from the collected works of Beavis and Butthead, “Chicken Soup for the Butt: A Guide to Finding Your Inner Butt.”

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Oh.My.God.Z!

            ~~~~~barely made it to the bathroom~~~~~

            And I don’t have an extra pair of pants here at work!

            • Ziontologist

              Well, after being a Scientologist and attesting to Clear, there’s nothing like “Chicken Soup For Your Butt: A Guide To Finding Your Inner Butt.”
              This was after I read “Huh Huh for Hollywood.” In it they described how Charlton Heston went to The Planet of the Apes, and kicked their monkey asses, and how he’s kicked ass all over the universe … that ‘s what initially attracted me to the writings of Beavis and Butthead.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              There is a whole lot of ass and butt going on around here!
              I knew I liked this place!

        • hogarthian

          Funny you should mention Stephen Hawking! I nearly reversed over him once. I break out into a cold sweat every time I think of it, but hey, I’d have made the history books. My 10 year old daughter didn’t get the enormity of it, saying only… “for god’s sake mother!!!! be careful!… he’s an actor in the Big Bang Theory!”

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Oh yeah, How bad would that suck to be known as the person who backed over Stephen Hawking!
            And here everybody thought that looney wife of his would be the one to kill him!

      • Captain Howdy

        Aiyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee make it STOP ! Where’s Ted Bundy when you need him ?

    • Funny you should mention it. There was a Scn (out of church) apologist in the runnin’ scared comments who extolled the discoveries of the SRI (Stanford Research Institute) regarding ESP and allied nonsense.

    • Poison Ivy

      Of course – so many of Hubbard’s names for things were shaded to make the unaware assume they were something else. Scientology for example – named to sound like something scientific. Also commonly confused with Christian Science, which was at the time an established and flourishing religion (not so flourishing these days, despite their beautiful cathedral in Boston and excellent newspaper…like Scientology, their aversion to medicine choosing prayer instead is doing them in quickly.) All the ripped-off-from-the-Navy terms that make a chaotic and reactive organization seem buttoned down and official. And of course, using “Oxford” to immediately impress people who’d assume that the test was created by serious, black-robed professors with impressive credentials, looking like Peter O’Toole in “Goodbye Mr. Chips.”

      • Captain Howdy

        Moar leik it was created by Peter O’Toole in “The Ruling Class”, amirite ?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p1tnvdx9JU

      • Real Scientology send a person to a doctor if he needs medical help. To fail to do so when needed is flat not Scientology but just something the Church is doing.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Scientology would do away with all other methods of dealing with illness if they could! Even to the extent of taking over the nursing field and being the ONLY ones who can apply bandages.

          • FistOfXenu

            “You know – you just KNOW – that you’re the only one who can help!”

        • richelieu jr

          This is not true. Hubbard claimed as early as Dianetics that it might be able to sure cancer and certainly could deal with colds, ulcers, etc….

    • aquaclara

      …and that you have to look up all those words in LRH’s very own version of the Oxford English Dictionary…surprised LRH didn’t think up the con of selling multi-part dictionaries to sell.
      Then Davy could add his touch: “Replace your old dated, 13 VOLUMES set of Words of LRH” – NOW, FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY: “Buy the Most Extraordinary Super-Duper Big Golden edition 29 volume set of Greatest Bestest Words of Davy, as adapted from that other guy.”
      Available in hardcover editions only. Cash and credit cards accepted. $2547 handling charges will apply blah blah blah extra fees and charges blah blah blah more money blah blah not returnable for any reason blah… 82 languages available at extra cost and taxes even though we don’t really pay taxes ha ha blah blah blah.

      • N. Graham

        It’s never too late-watch for that dictionary soon! And all the updates.

    • V for Vacation

      Thanks for mentioning this. I was handed the OCA for the first time on a street corner in San Francisco, when I was in my late teens around 20+ years ago. Because I was a kid and because there was no internet then, I assumed the test had been created by some PhD at Oxford. I was interested in it, and I tried to take it, but after about 25 questions I got too bored to continue, (and I noticed the questions were pretty idiotic) and I threw it in the trash.

      • grundoon

        You passed! That’s the only real right answer!

      • villagedianne

        I too threw my test in the trash and for the same reasons. (Corner of 8th St and 6th Ave in NYC, you could hardly walk past there without being accosted by a Scilon waving the test at you.) So I threw it in the trash and the Scilon started yelling at me and I’m thinking “Who the hell does he think he’s yelling at?” so I walked away faster and never stopped to take the test again.

  • SFFrog

    A lot of the lyrics from Faith No More’s “Land of Sunshine” are taken from the OCA.

  • Brother Justin

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezAoxiLQRd0

    Lyrics from Faith No More’s “Land of Sunshine” (1992) :

    You have a winning way, so keep it
    Your future
    You are an angel heading for the land of sunshine
    And fortune is smiling upon you

    Prepare for a series of comfortable miracles
    From fasting to feasting
    And life to you is a dashing bold adventure
    So sing and rejoice
    And look for the dream that keeps coming back
    Your future
    Pat yourself on the back and give yourself a handshake
    Cuz everything is not yet lost

    Does life seem worthwhile to you?

    HERE’S HOW TO ORDER!

    Yes, hmm hmm, now for the next question
    Does emotional music have quite an effect on you?
    Do you feel sometimes like age is against you?
    Sing and rejoice and sing and rejoice
    Yes, hmm hmm, that’s interesting.
    But tell me, do you often sing or whistle just for fun?
    Do you feel sometimes like age is against you?
    I, I can help – I can help you – I can help you help yourself!

    Does life seem worthwhile to you?

    HERE’S HOW TO ORDER!

    Varicose
    Comatose
    Senile

    • DodoTheLaser

      Wow, great catch Brother Justin and SFFrog!
      Faith No More’s “Epic” is one of the songs I grew up with and now this…

      I also remember excitedly telling a fellow staff member about discovering Tool,
      when their Schism was all over the rock radio stations and being told that
      they are anti-scientology and we not supposed to like them.

      Good stuff.

      • DodoTheLaser

        P.S. Perfect Circle delivers well too.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Awesome. I loved these guys. Been a long time.

    • Captain Howdy

      I no idea my homies had a scientology song. There was a another Frisco band “Code of Honor” and the lyrics to their theme song “Code of Honor” are mostly the scientology code of honor. Nobody realized this at the time.lol

      • DodoTheLaser

        Oh, don’t get me started on the whole Code Of Honor thing, Captain!

        As far as the band though, care to share the lyrics?
        Otherwise watch me down fucking mark you and run for my life! Lol
        (Just to turn around and shoot my Rhino, j/k.)

        • Captain Howdy

          I’ve been looking for the lyrics, but so far no luck. I did just download the split LP they did with Sick Pleasure that has the offending song on it

          Here’s a link to a blog for SF/Berkeley punks from back in the day, where they discuss it. The guy “Ben”, who makes the best comment, played bass in my first 2 bands..

          • FistOfXenu

            I’m too lazy to write out the lyrics but you can hear them here
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM5Rs59nsYw

            They don’t hide what they’re saying so you should get it all.

            • Captain Howdy

              Great job FoX ! I looked on YT and came up with squat. Man those guys sucked. Bunch of rich kid, fake straight edge, Minor Threat wanna be’s

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Baahaa….I laid in bed last night reading PI’s book and just kept busting up outta nowhere thinking about that.

          • Poison Ivy

            Big Smile!

  • Robert Long

    I like the new feature! Now I can become OT online for free with a group of my favorite scientologists: exscientologists!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      We are now officially “Squirrels”.
      Hundreds of us all at once.
      Oh the enturbulation must be Epic at Int. right now.

      Take that Co$.
      Hi Dave.
      πŸ˜‰

      • FistOfXenu

        We’re all squirrels. I like it! I bet we’re driving DM nuts. So squirrel buster teams will be showing up at our houses now, right? Let me go out and set the lawn sprinklers..

        • Forget sprinklers, I’m going to turn the children loose.

          • Captain Howdy

            I’ll just tell the neighbors they’re cops and it will turn into a pit bull-sat.nite special convention.

            • *snort* Only at that house around the corner.

        • Trustmeonthis

          Bahahaha! They’ll take one look at Casa TMOT and run the other way! (I live in a bit of a rough neighborhood.)

      • Missionary Kid

        You know what he can do if he can’t take a joke, don’t you?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I may have some suggestions! πŸ™‚

          • Missionary Kid

            Exactly.

            For those without demented minds like mine, the phrase is, “Fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke.” It especially applies to Dinky Mindfuck.

        • RMycroft

          Dammit! There are so many SubGs out there, I could shake my three tiny fists for days!

    • FistOfXenu

      Yep. Cheaper here and way better ARC.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Tobin and Childs, of course… if Rathbun would tell ‘all’ already, then he might actually be be worth spitting on if he was on fire. His efforts are tempered and calculated… I don’t believe the downfall of the CO$ is his priority when it comes to Scientology, and it bloody well should be. He can faff around with auditing when the beast is well and proper dead – if he can find anyone stupid enough to pay him…er, play with him. (or both)
    Katie is A list, proper celebrity royalty – she surely has caused CO$ more damage with her passive, aggressive move of divorcing Tom and swooping Suri away from CO$’s grasp. Much respect for David Love, and props for all his effort and may he continue, but in this game his name just isn’t a match for Katie’s when it comes to spreading the word.
    *prepares self for holding those cans* Okay, let’s all become Scienos and get ‘valid’ with our opinions…

  • Scientia

    The OCA is not just a sales tool for newbies. Members will take the test numerous times throughout their time in the church as a means of gauging their “progress”. (It is usually done after every major service).

    • RMycroft

      If there’s no way of succeeding at that test, how do you improve?

      • FistOfXenu

        Improve? You think the test is designed so you can improve? You also think the casinos in Las Vegas are designed so everybody eventually wins too? And lotteries?

        Want to buy a Bridge? πŸ˜‰

        The important cognition to have about the OCA and all of $cientarCONon is that you never improve, you never “get better”, you never succeed. You just keep spending money, wasting your life, and discovering new reasons why you’re permanently FUBARed and you never can leave the merry go round.

        • Unex Skcus

          “Want to buy a Bridge?” Does that come with a free set of steak knives?

          • FistOfXenu

            Sorry, just a couple of soup cans and some clay.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Isn’t there a free ashtray in there as well somewhere?

            • FistOfXenu

              Free? FREE??!! You an SP or something? Free = criminal exchange. Report to ethics!

  • I couldn’t adore Claire more if I tried!!

  • mirele

    Wow…with the addition of an overview of Scientology training, the Underground Bunker is turning into a real-life “What is Scientology?” resource! Kudos to Tony for helping his never-Scn readers understand what’s going on there in the very weird world that is Scientology.

  • aquaclara

    Wow, FREE tests today! So glad I happened to stop by and see for myself how incredibly valuable these are. Oh, there’s a book, too? Oh, and more books? With shiny covers! And you promise it will help me? Well, I guess those billions of satsifed customers and all those billions of success stories can’t possibly be wrong….

    • Poison Ivy

      Just ask OTVIIIisgr8888!

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Today, You Begin Your Training as a Scientologist

    ^^^^ I was Ok after you scared the holy shit out of me with this!

    • DodoTheLaser

      I know, right?! Tony thinks he’s a funny guy (cue Danny Trejo, Vin Diesel and Rammstein’s Fire, Fire.)

      • BuryTheNuts2

        No kidding!…first thing hit me was a cold chill and I think I may have exteriorized for a second out of fright! I thought the Marcabian’s came in the night and replaced Tony with a replicant!

        But then I saw Claire’s smiling face and I was all better.

        • 0tessa

          If anybody makes me laugh here it’s you!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Thanks Otessa!
            I have to crack the snark a lot so I don’t get upset.
            It is how I cope while continuing to learn more and more about all of this.

        • DodoTheLaser

          “But then I saw Claire’s smiling face and I was all better.”

          Same here. πŸ™‚

        • FistOfXenu

          But what if they’d replaced Claire with a replicant too?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            In that case I really may be dreaming of electric sheep!

        • hogarthian

          Me too…. I have to admit… I read the first few lines peaking from behind my fingers. I’m paranoid.

    • FistOfXenu

      Right? “Oh noes! TonyO has gone over to The Dark Side!”

  • aquaclara

    Smersh Madness continues…Tobin and Childs get all my votes!
    And in the tight race between David Love and Katie, I have to go with David Love.
    He is smashing down the walls of Narconon as we speak. The families of victims finally have their day as the evils of Narconon are no longer able to be hidden under the rug. The court cases are doing something we all love….spending the COB’s bucket of money. And the closing of centers is the result of untold hours of behind-the-scenes work to help take down the cult and expose their lies. And then the well-written articles that pop up and make their way around the globe online….no wonder David Love doesn’t sleep. Whew!
    The Narconon battles may be what ultimately shut down the cult.

  • BosonStark

    Whatever is wrong with you, Scientology can help you with that. If you’re raw meat, they’ll cook you.

    I’m overly salted beef jerky.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I’m ham.. definitely..

      • Captain Howdy

        That’s better than being a hamster belonging to a sciloon.

        • Poison Ivy

          Ouch.

        • FistOfXenu

          or a guinea pig.

  • Ms. B. Haven

    The OCA test was what got me in the door. As an angst filled 20 something, the results definitely got my attention. I was ripe for the picking and to naive and ungrounded enough to be aware of, or avoid the trap.

    These tests are administered to scientologists at just about every major point on the bridge. This supposedly measures progress, but in reality it makes sure that there is another product (more expensive) to sell. That is the ONLY reason for these tests. In my post-scientology days, I was seeing a counsellor to address some difficulties I was having. After a short time (maybe 6 or 8 sessions), she asked me how I was doing. I said “OK, I’m feeling a lot better about this.” She said, “I agree, why don’t you just call me if you think you want to talk further about this.” That was it. Compare this with scientology where you might be feeling good after a process and then are forced (peer pressure) to write a success story, take another OCA test (to cave you in) and then sent to the ‘reg’ for an extremely high pressure sales session to buy your next step to total bankruptcy, I mean freedom.

    The thing is, everyone has something going on in their lives all the time. Even if you consider yourself to be happy, there is most likely some aspect of your life that could use a little work. It’s called being human. There are so many resources out there to help on the journey that cost little or nothing. The best being a good friend. Relax, go have a drink together, share a meal, talk, enjoy the adventure…

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s no wonder that $cientology labels all other “psys” as evil. An ethical counselor’s job is to have you fire them.

      The whole task of anyone in is to suck people further in and money out of their pockets.

  • Ivan Mapother

    I always wondered if the Voight-Kampff test from Blade Runner had any origins in the OCA. Phillip K. Dick wrote it in 1968 and as a Sci-fi writer, he had to be aware of Hubbard and Scientology. Are there any sci-fi buffs out there with some insight?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turning_Wheel

      This may help answer your question. Search on Phillip K. Dick and L. Ron Hubbard together.
      You will find some interesting parallels among other things.

      • Are_sics

        Nice catch on PKD’s swipe at Elron!
        Dick, at least intellectually, laid waste to the whole edifice that is Hubbard’s “product”. I hope I have this quote right, but the story goes that Dick was being heckled by a college student for his use of the world “real”. In response to a snot-nosed challenge to define “reality” Dick said:
        Reality is that which, when ignored, does not go away.

        That leaves nothing of Hubbard’s work.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Mr. Dick is a rabbit hole of his own. He was interesting…uh…too say the least.

          • Captain Howdy

            Speed Kills !

          • Are_sics

            As far as I know, in spite of his beliefs or metaphysical claims, he had fans and not followers. (Maybe I don’t know something you do?) I think this makes him not a rabbit hole. But I don’t know if you mean something by that phrase that I’m not getting.

            He was a good SF writer, too.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              The rabbit hole is only a metaphor for an unknown adventure or body of knowledge.
              It is not exclusive to religion.
              I go down all kinds of rabbit holes on a continual basis.

            • Are_sics

              Gotcha. Lots of “good” rabbit holes then. I did read the comment as slanted differently, thanks. (And I did think you were talking, more worriedly, about the VALIS incident).

            • BuryTheNuts2

              VALIS…………well………hmmm, there is that.

            • Are_sics

              I spit water onto my monitor, dammit!

            • FistOfXenu

              Rabbit holes? You’ll have to confess that you know? “I climb down rabbit holes on a continual basis” “Has it been handled?” “What? The rabbit hole? I don’t handle them I just climb into them. Does that count?”

            • BuryTheNuts2

              There are no rabbit holes!
              You are mocking it up!

            • FistOfXenu

              Lol! I’m just mocking it. But now you make me think of The Matrix.
              “Don’t try to go down the rabbit hole. That is impossible. Instead ….. only try to realize the truth.”
              “What truth?”
              “There is no rabbit.”
              “There is no rabbit?”
              “Then you will see, that it is not the rabbit’s hole, it is only yours.”

            • Captain Howdy

              Being a speed freak definitely leads you down a very dark and dank rabbit hole.

            • FistOfXenu

              V-E-R-Y quickly.

          • FistOfXenu

            That’s some confused anatomy, BTN.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              hmmmm…..good point!

    • LongNeckGoose

      I recently re-read “Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?” and it made me wonder how aware PKD was about Scientology. In the book, people hold on the handles of an “empathy box” to share in the struggle of Wilbur Mercer (SPOILER ALERT: who is proven to be a fraud by the end of the book).

      Also, like Hubbard’s Tone Scale, every emotion has a number, but in PKD’s story, people dial up their own emotions on a “mood organ.” In the first scene of the book, Deckert and his wife are having an argument:

      At his console he hesitated between dialing for a thalamic suppressant (which would abolish his mood of rage) or a thalamic stimulant (which would make him irked enough to win the argument).
      “If you dial,” Iran said, eyes open and watching, “for greater venom, than I’ll dial the same…”
      “My schedule for today lists a six-hour self-accusatory depression,” Iran said.
      “What? Why did you schedule that?” It defeated the whole purpose of the mood organ. “I didn’t even know you could set it for that,” he said gloomily…
      “I program an automatic resetting for three hours later,” his wife said sleekly. “A 481. Awareness of the manifold possibilities open to me in the future; new hope that–”
      “I know 481,” he interrupted. He had dialed out the combination many times; he relied on it greatly…
      There, at her console, he dialed 594: pleased acknowledgement of husband’s superior wisdom in all matters.

      So I see a lot of Scientology in this story, yet even with the vast quantity of PKD’s religious writing, I’ve never read that he ever mentioned Hubbard or Scientology.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        He did.

      • RMycroft

        Before Hubbard there was Wilhelm Reich and his Orgone Box. Quacks with magic boxes probably go back even further than that.

    • RMycroft

      It wouldn’t surprise me if Scientology induced a flattened affect over time through e-meter auditing–no emotional reaction and a floating needle. That’s basically what the Voight-Kampff test seems to be looking for. (In the book, there was a preceding Boneli reflex-arc test, still used by the alternate police station.)

      I don’t recall that Dick ever had contact with Scientology, only Synanon.

  • Are_sics

    Question 105 is my favorite: Hmmm…. Do I rarely suspect the actions of others?

    Yes. No. Maybe. Wait, WHAT?

    Can you repeat the question? No don’t.

    • Poison Ivy

      Are you still beating your wife?

      • FistOfXenu

        Should we ask DM a version of that? If he says yes at least we know she’s still alive.

        • Poison Ivy

          “Are you still shutting your missing wife up in an Orwellian prison of the mind for her perceived insubordination of you?”

          • Trustmeonthis

            *sigh*
            I also use snark as a defense mechanism (as do most of us) but sometimes even that is too painful. :-/
            Really enjoying your book, though! It’s a great break from all this entheta I’ve been reading.

          • FistOfXenu

            Yeah, that’ll do just fine.

    • FistOfXenu

      I know, I loved that question. When I was younger I used to get myself body routed into orgs in cities I visited and jump on that question and a few others. I’d mark all 3 answers or sometimes just yes and no, and then I’d take the poor recruiter through some tortured speculations on what the sentence might mean and if it could be answered without saying something I didn’t really mean. My only excuse is I was young and angry at them and didn’t think about what I was doing. They usually figured out pretty quick that I wasn’t taking it seriously and it “proved” that I had serious problems that only $cientarCONon could fix and I should buy some books and sign up for courses before I end up harming myself. (I was joking and degrading although they never used that phrase) I ended up saying I couldn’t bother reading books if they were written like that.

      It was stupid I know now but back then there wasn’t the internet or a lot of other ways to get good advice. I just wanted to waste their time so they couldn’t be screwing up somebody else.

      • Observer

        I see no problem.

      • Are_sics

        It sounds like you had about as sane a response as possible. It also sounds like you acted on that response in as positive a way as was available. Kudos.

  • DodoTheLaser

    I wonder if the damned thing (OCA test) is a bit hypnotic in all it’s randomness and diversity..
    It sure serves the planned purpose to find the ruin in a poor human, so to offer a “solution”.

    • Are_sics

      It is certainly designed to make someone suggestible. So yeah, by that definition, I think you’re onto something.

  • scnethics

    I love this “Up the Bridge” feature. Can’t wait to do it all over again πŸ™‚
    By the time I took my first OCA, I was already sold. I had read Dianetics and other books, and had met someone by accident who was already doing scientology, and they had introduced me to other people doing scientology, and everyone I met seemed to have what I was looking for.

    I felt like a pathetic loser with no other hope. My test results confirmed that I was a pathetic loser with no other hope. I was impressed! After I did an introductory course and spent more time around more scientologists (who were love-bombing the shit out of me because I was new), I felt like I had found a place I fit perfectly. I wasn’t a loser, I had just never had the tools to exploit my potential, or been around the kind of people who would understand and appreciate my potential. I felt much better, and when I took another OCA test, it confirmed that I was doing much better. That’s a really accurate “how’re ya doin?” test!

    A bit later, I went to the LRH Life Exhibit and got a “pinch test” as part of that tour. I was already convinced that painful incidents in the past were the single source of all human aberration, so when I observed that the e-meter would react to the memory of pain, I felt an even deeper interest in being audited with one in use. I can imagine someone taking such a test under the banner of “Have You Ever SEEN a THOUGHT?”, might be impressed, too.

    • Poison Ivy

      I noticed that when a journalist – was it John Sweeney? Can’t recall – underwent a sample auditing with Marty Rathbun, Marty used the pinch test to show how the e-meter worked. Do any of our scientifically minded Bunkerites have an alternate explanation for the efficacy of the pinch test, other than the “see a thought” answer?

      • RMycroft

        If you pinch, they will flinch. The e-meter is just a simple Wheatstone Bridge resistance meter that depends on sweat and how tightly someone is gripping the cans.

        • Bob

          Only partially true. Once a stable grip is established it reacts to the ohms resistance of the body which changes with the quality and quantity of mental mass. A good auditor can instantly tell the difference between body motion and resistance change. Whether you believe it is mental mass or something else, the body as a resister is constantly changing. It is extremely easy to test this.

          I roomed with someone who built e-meters. He took me through the facility that built them and they are very precise ohm meters. A lot of money was spent to obtain ultra sensitive movements. Good enough to pick up minute changes in resistance.
          Being into electronics this all made sense to me. In the right hands the E-meter can be an accurate tool. To do what, is of course another subject. for it to read correctly the person has to be a willing subject or it will read on the wrong things.

          In the Clamatology world of today I would not want to be subjected to any of their processing or sec checks. It would be one long wild goose chase.

          • Captain Howdy

            Bob, no offense, but thoughts don’t have mass.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I beg to differ.
              Vance said Hubbard had thought farts….Have you ever weighed Dianutty!

              Oh wait…your talking about science and stuff…

            • Bob

              You are right. It is a term in Scientology. Thoughts are technically energy. A very tiny amount of energy. In Scn they refer to them(negative thoughts) as mass. If they are positive they are not usually “charged”. And more specifically we are talking about the memory stored in the mind, of some happening in life. These bits of energy do effect the resistance in a resister(body plus thetan) and so effects the reactions of the Emeter.

              Does that make sense? It is the first thing you learn when you learn to use an Emeter. The way an Emeter is tested to calibrate it correctly is to take the electrode clips and put them on a 5000 ohm resister. Then you can set the Emeter to read correctly.

              The Emeter measures resistance, the inclusion of tiny charges of energy change the resistance. Thus the needle changes or the larger tone arm has to be moved to keep the need on the dial.

            • Missionary Kid

              If you’re talking about the electricity that flows from neuron to neuron, the e-meter isn’t sensitive enough. All the e-meter does is measure the resistance of the skin from one hand to the other. That is highly dependent on the connections from the hands to cans.

              Read the posts on fooling the e-meter. You were sold a bunch of fake, woo-woo science. A 5K resister just puts it into range of the resistance of the body.

            • Bob

              No not talking about from neuron to neuron.. The emeter measures the resistance of the body not the skin. And you can fool the Emeter. And yes the resister is just to check if the Emeter is working correctly.

            • Missionary Kid

              There are no “charges of energy” that are released by the body, aside from neurons. Find me a scientific, peer reviewed paper that tells of any.

              I understood that the resistor was just to calibrate it.

              Look up Skin conductance in Wikipedia.

            • Bob

              I knew when I posted this there would be varying points of view. I am sure there are facts regarding the whole area. That support what you say and probably what I have commented on. I have seen how the Emeter works close up and seen how they react to people and their emotions or thoughts. I said my piece and you can call it BS. Believe what you will.

            • Missionary Kid

              I agree that it shows a secondary reaction to emotions by measuring skin resistance. I strongly disagree that there is some energy source that is released and measured by the e-meter.

            • Bob

              Ok. I am not an expert. I know what I have observed and I could be wrong. At this point I don’t have the time to do the research or get an expert involved. As I said in another comment I stated my observation or opinion. At this point I have no further comments.

            • Missionary Kid

              The problem with coming out of an all-encompassing group that has a particular belief system is that they have ready-made explanations out of their scripture. They fill up your time and mind with so much that it’s difficult to realize that what they’re telling you may not be true. I did a lot of rationalizing to accept what I was told.

              I came out of fundamentalist Protestantism, which gave explanations for current events that flat out contradict science. After I left, it took me a while to sort out what was simply propaganda, what might be valid, what was true, and what was untrue. You can’t dispute belief, but you can dispute things that are contrary to science, observation, and rationality.

              LRH was never a scientist. He was intelligent, and he hung out with other writers who were scientists. He had trouble with math, the basis for science. He stole, er used everything he could from them and any other sources he stumbled on. He also lied or exaggerated about everything, including his past, the tech, and where it came from.

              Your task is to separate all of the wheat from the chaff. With LRH, there’s a lot of chaff. There’s a lot of public records, as well as testimony from people who “knew him when” that are available to give you the truth. A place to start, aside from this, is xenu.net, which lists all sorts of resources.

            • FistOfXenu

              Bob, you’re on the border of an important discovery here. Real important. You’ve observed something. Nobody can change what you saw. But they can change how you see in your head what you saw. That happens all the time. Let me see if I can explain what I mean. What you observed has to pass through the ideas in your mind and your beliefs and what you think is possible. $cientology conditioned you to interpret your observations in a way that scientific study of electricity and the body and the brain contradict. Like you said you don’t have time to do research or get an expert involved. Fact is you’d need more than one kind of expert because the e-meter is claimed to be doing stuff based on more than one area of science. And you’d need to have a non-member electronics expert be the one to open up the meter and examine it for you. and he’d have to talk to the neurobiologist and others. The whole project would be submitting the Tech to wog scrutiny and I guess that could make trouble for you.

              But don’t lose your insight. What you observed is what you observed. I once went to see James Randi when I was a little boy. Amazing tricks. I saw what I saw and because I was with older friends who said he was really doing these things I believed it all. It was fun and a little scary but these friends said it was real. I told my father. He just said “are you sure magic really works? What if it’s just tricks that anybody can learn?” And he did a trick that was like one of the ones James Randi did. Then he showed me how the trick worked. What I saw is still what I saw. But how I see it in my head changed by knowing what was really going on.

              What you saw is what you saw. But maybe it doesn’t mean what you’ve been taught it means.

            • Bob

              Thanks for taking the time to write that. It is a good point. And perception does change depending on many factors. There are other areas where I have experienced that. So I know what you are talking about. With that in mind I will observe with a new POV.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Bob, I really appreciate your calm approach to discussion. You don’t get all bent out of shape when you are challenged and you are open minded.
              You are going to make a phenomenal WOG someday!
              πŸ˜‰

              yeah, I know it is early to be j&d, but what the hell……….

            • Bob

              Thank you. LOL. Interestingly enough. I stopped using that word WOG decades ago. I found it distasteful and demeaning even when I was fully in. The seeds of my disaffection were there for many years, dormant. Hubbards use of language to isolate scions from the rest of the world are counter to his stated goal to help the people of earth. Makes you wonder?

            • FistOfXenu

              Glad to be of some help.

            • Bob

              Yes. πŸ™‚

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That was a very interesting and erudite post.
              Stop making me think so hard!

            • FistOfXenu

              “Erudite”? Wait here while I word clear that.

              HAH! Not something I’ve ever been called before but thanks. From time to time I have to post something halfway useful here or people might think I only come here to J&D, and I’m much too pissed off at $cientarCONon for that.

            • Guest

              I am sure there are facts too, but you are not seeming to be too open to looking into them… Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…

            • Bob

              There are many more dialogues to this thread. Thanks for the comment. As the thread evolved so did my view of the different alternative ways of looking at the subject.

            • Captain Howdy

              So do you believe that the mind is located in the brain or is the brain merely a “speed bump for the soul” as LRH stated ?

            • 1subgenius

              The e-meter is a scam device to assist in systematic hypnosis.
              Your assertions are a waste of bandwidth.

            • Unex Skcus

              Dark matter, perhaps πŸ™‚

          • Johan

            Don’t you think it’s possible that you have physical reaction based in the thought/ memory? That would make more sense to me…

            • Bob

              Yes, when you contact certain memory’s there is emotional response to the memory’s. that is what the auditor reads. The theory whether it is right or not, is that the memory contacts encapsulated energy that must be discharged from the unconscious the person will be free of it. But it also could be the person reacting to the memory. Good point.

            • stanrogers

              Yes, but it’s a stress reaction. A proper skin response galvanometer (as used in a polygraph, clipped on or an adhesive pad) will measure only the conductivity of the skin, which is an indication of the amount of perspiration (and to a lesser extent, capillary blood flow near the skin’s surface). With the e-meter, there is also the grip to consider (and no matter how stable you think your grip is, it will vary in pressure, especially in response to stress).

              There *is* a degree of usefulness with the e-meter if you treat it as what it is — a simple biofeedback device. It can be used to lower physical stress reaction to a stimulus by making you aware of the stress you’re undergoing. There’s no need to involve “woo-woo” notions of thought masses or energy flow (in the chi/qi sense; obviously there is electrical current flowing from can to can); it works by detecting changes in conductivity governed by grip pressure and (mostly) perspiration. In a completely scientific way, you can use it to identify subconscious reactions to stressors you didn’t realise you had, and can use it in conjunction with relaxation techniques to reduce the associated stress.

              Unfortunately, it can also be used as a psychological weapon in pretty much the same way, but with an auditor (or a list of suggestions on paper) working to induce stress. The slightest sign of regret or embarrassment is an opening that can be used (well, the meter *did* react, didn’t it?). As with any tool, it’s the purpose to which it is put that can be troubling.

          • 1subgenius

            Bullshit.

          • RMycroft

            No. It’s sweat and grip. That’s it. Absolutely nothing magical. Nothing super-sensitive.

            Compared to a polygraph, an e-meter is a total party toy, and a polygraph is rejected by courts because it doesn’t work. That it. Period. Grow up.

          • hogarthian

            “In the right hands the E-meter can be an accurate tool” lollage! or “Whilst holding the E-meter in your hands, you feel a right tool”?

            • Bob

              Hogarthian, LOL Well the way things are are today, with a meter in your hand you are a right tool. πŸ™‚

          • FistOfXenu

            Sorry Bob, I don’t mean to be harsh but you’re honest with us and I should be honest with you.
            Once you step out of the fog bank of Hubbard’s grandiose claims and approach an e-meter only like an engineer and not like a believer you’d see it differently. The thing acts just like you’d expect a wheatstone bridge to act. Don’t let Hubbard-speak interpret the electronics, let the electronics interpret Hubbard-speak. A theory can make sense but there’s a chasm to cross between thinking the theory might make sense and proving the theory is infallible in practice. The Bridge can’t cross that chasm.

            The e-meter isn’t an instrument of science it’s a magic talisman like voodoo. You prove that when you say “for it to read correctly the person has to be a willing subject or it will read on the wrong things”. I sometimes have a portable heart monitor. It accurately records my heart beats. But if I use it on my little grand children (still in diapers) I know they don’t believe in it (the littlest one doesn’t even like it) but it’s still accurate. Take that to the e-meter. It can be faked. It’s a prop like a crystal ball or tarot cards. The aura of accuracy is created by the belief and fear of the true believers and doesn’t correspond to the real world.

            I know how hard it is to make that adjustment of viewpoint but once you take away the assumptions about the tech the e-meter just is a party trick.

            • Bob

              Thanks for stating it in a logical way without just calling me an idiot. It is so much the fabric woven within Scn it is impossible to separate it out of the whole frame work. From my perspective the whole area of auditing is not an exact science although Hubbard would have us think that, if we follow exactly what he says. But The Emeter reads the same all the time but how it is used and who sits on the end of the cans varies greatly.
              Your comment does make me look at the subject with a new perspective. But when you have a great deal of first hand knowledge regarding seeing how it is used to painstakingly steer someone towards decompressing a painful experience it is not the easiest thing to just throw out the window. This would be a good thread for Marty to comment on as he is a far more accomplished auditor than I would ever be.
              Your comparison to a heart monitor though is like apples and oranges.
              All hearts beat the same within tolerances. Minds of people vary radically. Or all bodies vary a lot depending on their state of emotion and health.

            • hogarthian

              “A theory can make sense but there’s a chasm to cross between thinking the theory might make sense and proving the theory is infallible in practice. The Bridge can’t cross that chasm.” ……… I’m speechless with admiration for that sentence, it’s perfect.

      • 1subgenius

        Notice also the auditor always has a hand on the device.

        • stanrogers

          People keep pointing that out, and frankly it’s a red herring. I’m an electrical engineer by trade, and I’d do more or less the same thing using an analog ohmmeter on an electronic circuit, changing the sensitivity to an appropriate range for the measurement, and zero-balancing the scale. Sometimes, depending on the measurement I’m making (the needle swings I’m looking for), I’m not balancing at zero but on a point on the scale that makes the variation easier to measure as I adjust things. The trickery isn’t in the adjustments, it’s in the use to which the measurements are put.

      • scnethics

        In Robert Kaufman’s book, Inside Scientology (available online for free), he talks about his belief that the e-meter is a simple biofeedback device. Technically, Bob (our Bob, commenting here) is correct that the e-meter detects changes in resistance. When you look at it as a biofeedback device, and look at some of the other biofeedback devices and what they do, apparently, the meter becomes pretty easy to understand as a simple biofeedback device. I haven’t taken the time myself, but it seems like the right avenue to look down.

        If you’ve ever been on the meter, and been participating in the process (not trying to fool it), you know that it is very good at detecting when you are trying NOT to think about something. I don’t know if there is an obvious physical reaction (can squeeze?) that goes along with this, but I’ve certainly thought I was being motionless when such things were detected on me. Bent Corydon describes in his book how he beat a sec check by deciding not to try to suppress any thoughts and to fully embrace the true answers to the questions he was asked, but then to lie anyway. Apparently, that worked, which I find interesting.

  • Captain Howdy

    Thank you Claire, you’re the bee’s knees to me.

    • FistOfXenu

      If I remember right, bees’ legs don’t have knees. Or did they discover something new lately? Or am I senile?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        That is what makes Claire “special”.

      • Missionary Kid

        The Wiktionary says, “One of many such informal phrases coined in the early 20th century for
        no apparent reason, of which only a few have endured. One possible
        origin is from the British expression “B’s and E’s” meaning “be all and end all”. Another is a playful mispronunciation of business.”

        • FistOfXenu

          Oh right. British. Explains a lot. I need to spend a few months there some day.

          • Missionary Kid

            It was also used in the U.S., I believe, as late as the 40s.

          • hogarthian

            Oi…. watch it! πŸ˜‰

            • FistOfXenu

              You read into that I think. I just meant that the expression’s outside my experience. Really!

            • hogarthian

              Kidding! And even if you were Brit-bashing, I wouldn’t mind a bit.

        • What would we do without the Wiktionary? It’s amazing that so many people spent thousands on endless volumes of information/books that were out of date as soon as they were published, to which they were pressured into buying more volumes……oh, wait. LRH must have stolen the business model from Encyclopedia Britannica I’m surprised that he didn’t send people door-to-door.

          • Missionary Kid

            I happen to have an 1890s 7 volume American dictionary. It has some amazing, no longer used words in it. I used to have some real fun playing Dictionary using it. I also have one of those big Webster’s dictionaries that used to be in every school, printed in the 1940s.

            Wictionary does not have rosemarine in it.

      • 1subgenius

        dox on the bees’ legs don’t have knees

        • FistOfXenu

          Thx. I thought I remembered that.

    • grundoon

      and the cat’s pajamas!

      • Captain Howdy

        As well as the “meow”

  • Ze Moo

    The OCA test seems too Monty Pythonish for me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

    Katie Holmes used things very nicely to get away and get child support, nice job, but not on par with David Love’s NarCONon work. Tobin and Childs are also heros, Mike and Marty, not so much.

    • FistOfXenu

      Really? I think it’s not Monty Pythonish enough. If it was it would be funny and safe. The way it is, it’s dangerous and about as funny as swimming in razor blades.

      Sorry, after watching that I feel like an argument. πŸ˜›

    • grundoon

      What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

      • stanrogers

        African or European?

        • grundoon

          Uh? I dohno that-

    • Unex Skcus

      Ha-ha… were the Monty’s spoofing auditing, do you think?

      • FistOfXenu

        If only! They’d have done an amazing job. Wonder what they’d use for an e-meter?

  • Snippy_X

    1 vote for David Love

    Why David Love over Katie Holmes?

    Katie has the bigger audience, mostly outsiders, and she inadvertently exposed the disconnection policy and the treatment of children. Drawing attention to Tom Cruise meant more people saw his creepy video and pampered, creepy relationship to the church and David Miscavige. All good stuff for public awareness.

    David Love may appear to have a smaller audience, but his audience includes lawmakers, a few tenacious journalists, as well as Narconon victims and other Narconon ex-staffers. He has worked continuously to expose this fraudulent and dangerous Scientology scam and provided documentation of the abuses to legal entities who now have begun to take action. These are enduring changes entered into the permanent legal record books that expose Scientology’s capacity to cause physical, emotional and financial harm to individuals and to societies coping with drug abuse and Narconon’s are shutting down.

    According to SAMHSA, 23.5 million persons aged 12 or older needed treatment for an illicit drug or alcohol abuse problem in 2009. That’s nearly 1 in 10 persons aged 12 or older. Of these, only 2.6 million received it at a specialty facility. This is a serious drain on society and every person diverted through Narconon is not only denied legitimate treatment , they shell out around $30,000 of which a hefty percent makes it way to Scientology. This is why David Love gets my vote. He has been an unrelenting leader in this battle and paved the way for others to speak out. I believe he is making the greater contribution.

    • Bob

      Agreed. It is a much much longer lasting effect.

    • Missionary Kid

      This is, to me, another apples and oranges choice, but it gets us all thinking and discussing things.

      Katie did a lot because she added more ridicule to Co$. Once something reaches that point from many of the public, it’s gonna decline. It will never go away because there’s always people who have to go against the popular perceptions, but its influence will wane.

      David Love is “only” attacking a side business of Co$. Valuable. The importance of his work will be magnified if it can be shown legally that Co$ is running things, thus exposing Co$ to legal liability – a difficult task.

      For right now, I voted for Katie. Right now, she’s a signpost. Ultimately, David Love may emerge as the shining hero over all the others.

      • Trustmeonthis

        I’m voting for Katie, but I’m sending cash to David Love. He is certainly living up to his name!

        • Missionary Kid

          Excellent idea!!!

    • 1subgenius

      tl;dr
      Love for the win.
      Katie Holmes? lolwut?

  • BuryTheNuts2
    • Chocolate Velvet

      Amanpour interviews Wright! A meeting of journalism giants. Thanks for the link, BTN.

    • Captain Howdy

      Thanks, that was great . I want to read ‘The Looming Tower” and the book he did about the satanic ritual child abuse witch-hunt in the 80’s

      • BuryTheNuts2

        What satanic ritual abuse witch hunt book?

        Oh, found it. Remembering Satan. looks to be about false recovered memories.
        Based on single case.

        • Captain Howdy

          Remembering Satan: A Tragic Case of Recovered Memory (1994),

        • 1subgenius

          “false recovered memories”

          Hmmmm, sounds like auditing on the “whole track”.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Well…Yeah!

        • Sandy

          BTN – we had a similar incident here in Minn back then. Tore apart an entire small town!

        • stanrogers

          It was huge, and everywhere for a couple of years. Destroyed entire communities; sent a lot of innocent people to jail with the always-popular “kiddie diddler” label on them. And it was all based on the carry-over from a single incident that never happened (chronicled in a book called “Michelle Remembers”) and a bunch of over-zealous (and under-intelligent) social workers and (OMG, I can’t believe I’m going to say this here) psychologists with issues and agendas of their own. I had a few well-meaning friends in the social services world who bought into it completely, despite my best efforts to point out that someone would have noticed something a little more indicative of a major problem than a kid who peed herself in kindergarten. (It happens. Covens are usually not responsible. People whose own unhappy childhoods steered them towards helping others suspect abuse a little too easily — not that there isn’t more than enough going around anyway, but poor techniques like leading questions and unintentional reinforcement can convince kids to say and eventually believe just about anything. Sort of like auditing, yes.)

          • Captain Howdy

            Great comment. Thanks for summing it up so well.

  • Snippy_X

    1 vote for Rathbun/Rinder.

    They were the inside sources that exposed how Scientology unduly influences government officials and corrupts the judicial system. That’s a big clump of points that nudged them ahead of Tobin and Childs.

    • Captain Howdy

      Yeah I voted for the MR’s also, as much as it chafes my ass. Who does Demented McSavage hate and fear more than anyone else on Teegeeack ? The MR’s and Katie Holmes. It’s not a question of who has earned it the most, it’s a question of who is doing the most damage in the court of world opinion.

      • Snippy_X

        Agreed. And messing with Davey’s head, day in and day out, has got to be taking a toll.

      • David Love is taking down Narconon. That’s more real life damage than Katie will ever do. Like Kidman, she’s a peripheral that influences some people, but she’s not much in the big picture.

        • Captain Howdy

          The main goal in the “war’ against CofS, IMO, is denying it any new bodies and that is done by destroying it’s reputation among the general public, which has already been pretty much accomplished. Just say “Xenu’ loudly on a public train and watch people laugh.

          • Trustmeonthis

            Bahaha, I will have to try that next time I am on BART!

            • Captain Howdy

              Ha Ha, we use to shoot speed in the BART bathrooms back in the early 80’s.

            • Trustmeonthis

              Bathrooms at BART stations are a rare breed these days; they used 9/11 as an excuse to close most of them.

            • N. Graham

              Still the best subway in the U.S.

        • Trustmeonthis

          What Katie accomplished was HUGE. But she’s not actively working against the cult any more, other than just by existing in her new life. This reasoning got me to vote Sweeney over Cook, and it is probably going to hold sway today as well.
          But I’m bloody pissed to have to vote against Katie, if in fact I end up doing so. πŸ™

    • RMycroft

      Joe Childs and Thomas C. Tobin were exposing Scientology while Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder were still the #2 and #3 of the organization.

    • Yeah. Much of the damage that Tobin and Childs have done came from the expose’ of Miscavige’s violence, for which R&R were the principal sources. I give T&C their props, but the issue is who is doing the most ongoing damage.

      In the other race, though, I can vote for the one I personally like better. Katie Holmes certainly did damage with the public attention she drew, but David Love is *continuing* to do damage, and hurting one of their cash cows may end up pulling out one of the props that holds the whole rotten structure up.

  • RMycroft

    By the way, Scientology also does a “secular” version of the OCA test called the Personality Potential Analysis. There’s minor wording changes on a few questions, but it’s the same thing by a company front called Mastertech. (No seriously, that’s the name!)

    WISE companies (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises) use it for prospective employee testing. So if you ever see it when applying for a job, run run run run!!!

  • Sherbet

    Off (today’s) subject, but yesterday’s late posts, particularly from sugarplumfairy, should be read. Some raw nerves have been touched here among the Bunkees/Bunkerites, and there needs to be a bit of return to good manners. Thanks, sugarplum, for taking the initiative to state your feelings.

    • Oh boy. I missed it (one of the problems with the blog/Disqus format is that the previous days’ posts are mostly disregarded unless you have it sent to your email)….thanks for the ‘heads up’

      • Sherbet

        To Deck, Howdy, Robert, and all who look for a definition of what’s bashing and what’s offensive — I’m not defining criticism as unfair bashing. I’m not even overly sensitive about religion in general, or any of my beliefs. Bash away, if you want to, and I won’t even hold it against anyone. For me, live and let live is a perfect mantra. And, oh, man, the Catholic church does deserve to be criticized; no argument from me. All I’m saying, and what I think sugarplumfairy was saying, is all the comparisons are getting tedious, because they have no business in this blog, that I can see. Oh, yes, we’re all bashing scientology, except for the occasional troll who loves lrh, but that’s what this blog is about — education about scn, inside anecdotes, cathartic emotions from those formerly in — a safe place to talk about scn. We see evil, and we’re talking about it. “The Catholics say,” or “The Mormons say,” are attempts to find common ground among organized religions — common laughable ground or dangerous ground or abusive ground. While I will never, never claim Catholicism is perfect or better than most, or that the sexual abuses were just a little ol’ bit o’ gossip rather than prosecutable crimes, I just don’t see the point in making any comparisons at all. I’m open minded and not defensive in a discussion of religions. (I’ve been told by a non-Catholic that, “Gee, you’re really a reasonable Catholic!”, which I took as a compliment.) But this blog, in my opinion, is NOT a discussion of religions. It is about scientology and its abuses and crimes. And it’s a slippery slope from “Yeah, but the Catholic/Mormon church does thus-and-so” to “All religions are alike.” Even if that were true, is this the proper forum?

        And BTW, I still love talking to every one of you, because, every day, in this blog, I learn.

        • Captain Howdy

          I agree with your statement in spirit, but for the record I’ve never compared or said anything derogatory about the CC. I have said things about Opus Dei which I do consider a cult inside the CC, but that’s another story and I shan’t mention it further…lol

          I have compared LDS beliefs to $cn because they share similar space opera-ology. I shall refrain from this in the future.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Seriously, don’t go changing to try to please us.. we love you just the way you are..

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da-iO9c8J-w&feature=youtube_gdata_player

            • Sandy

              Thank you for that sugarplumfairy. I would hate to see Cap’t Howdy change in ANY way!!!!!!!!!!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Im pretty sure we all would.. He’s the irreplaceable one..

            • Captain Howdy

              Pshaw, just for that I give you this..naked men

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY2s4hJ8kuA

            • sugarplumfairy

              Haha.. “movie could not load..”

              And for crying out loud, I’m a frking nurse.. The last thing I wanna see when I leave work is anything naked..

            • Captain Howdy

              it works fine on my end. Just YT Elastica -Connection.

            • Sherbet

              I’m laughing sugarplum, remembering that once I advised a co-worker, in a similar “we love you just the way you are” mode: “Look, don’t change a hair for anyone,”…and then I remembered he was wearing a big, fat, fake toupee. Mouth, meet foot.

            • Trustmeonthis

              Wait, you work with JT?!?!?!?

            • Captain Howdy

              Billy Joel ? Don’t push your luck.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exhx2gpQ8q8

            • sugarplumfairy

              Billy Joel and DISNEY!!! Somehow, I thought you’d appreciate that combo..

          • Sherbet

            And I shall refrain from getting annoyed. I’ll roll my eyes and sigh, but the speech is free here, even if the auditing isn’t.

        • Thanks for the ‘splanation, Sherbet. I’m glad that you pointed this out to me, personally, because I have actually given a bit of thought to why MidwestMom left and I worried that it was something I wrote which made me sad. I really enjoyed her comments and humor, just like I enjoy yours and sugarplumfairy’s comments and humor.

          The best part of our community here is that we can discuss these issues and use our critical thinking skills to reach an understanding. I really do appreciate that you are a “reasonable Catholic” and willing to respond to comments using compassion and logic. These attributes are missing with Scientologists, which is why their ‘religion’ does not stand up to scrutiny. The Catholic religion does stand up to scrutiny, and it adapts accordingly. The Counter-Reformation of the 16th Century proves that.

          Again, thanks for letting me know about all of this. It’s been on my mind for a few weeks.

          • Sherbet

            There should be no guilt in being honest, Deck. My old boss used to say, Let’s keep your eye on the donut, which is an old guy way of saying, let’s keep focused on the matter at hand. Which is scientology. Big group hug all around, and let’s make this a Hallmark moment with tears and emotions and stuff.

            And Go David Love!

        • grundoon

          Isn’t this blog still about whatever we want to talk about? Did I miss Tony’s memo? Are we now under the supervision of the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office?

          • Sherbet

            Nope, the blog is still about scientology. The Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office fully concurs.

    • Captain Howdy

      Sherbert I scanned all 564 comments from yesterday and besides a cat joke from Kim, I read nothing I would consider “catholic bashing” and I felt the same way after I reviewed the comments on the post that offended MWM. Yous guys need to lighten up, you’re starting to remind me of Bill Donahue..J/K : )

      • hogarthian

        I missed the cat joke…. was it any good?

        • Captain Howdy

          Yeah, but I’m not going to repeat it. I’m maturing !

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Since yesterday?

          • sugarplumfairy

            As your new godmother, I’m so proud..

            • Captain Howdy

              Oy vey, I’m going to go meditate = make my tinnitus and liver worse. I’ll be back.

      • Sherbet

        Howdy, here I go, lightening up. Thanks for the advice, and you’re not wrong. I got my liturgical vestments in a twist, but I still stand behind everything I’ve said.

        (BTW I’d never give you a “down” vote, because you are one of the many sincere posters here. Let’s get together and sing Kumbaya.)

        • BuryTheNuts2

          If you guys do that …(sing Kumbaya…’shivers’)…I am down voting all of your posts…like…FOREVER.
          REALLY. That song is suckus!

          Sorry, I have a 4-H club camping engram about that crap.
          You are more than welcome to sing Michael Row the boat ashore.
          ONCE!

          • sugarplumfairy

            Someone’s pms-ing, Lord.. Kum-ba-ya..

            • FistOfXenu

              Really, that’s just cracked me up. And this is another coffee shop I’m gonna have to stay out of for a few days.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I feel ya..

      • 1subgenius

        I haven’t read everything, but I, too, have not seen anything that offensive.

        If someone chooses to leave that is their prerogative. People have differing levels of sensitivity.

        • Captain Howdy

          True, but I would hate to lose MidWestMom , SurgarPlumFairy or Sherbert. To me these 3 are irreplaceable. It hasn’t been quite the same without MWM and now SPF is talking about leaving ?

          Shit, I’ll get baptized if that’s what it takes. 1subgenius, I agree with what you said and I’m not going to tone down my act to appease anybody, but to me this is ridiculous and demonstrates why i loathe religion. All it does is divide people. Fuck it, time to hit the packie.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Twit.. I was just in a really long surgery today.. The feeling is mutual btw..

            Hey, can I be your god-mama?

            • Captain Howdy

              No, but you can be my succubus mama and what kinda Catholic are you that you don’t even capitalize the G-word ? LOL

            • sugarplumfairy

              a lazy one..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              You got a serious Capt. Howdy Compliment…

              Succubus I mean.

            • sugarplumfairy

              group hugggggggggg………….

            • BuryTheNuts2

              We are kinda pathetic…NO

            • sugarplumfairy

              Noooooooooooo.. We’re awesome!!! Do you need to do your affirmations?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Too late.. Last night I decided to be a nun.. =)

            • FistOfXenu

              A nun? Soon this place’ll be “nuns and nones” and what’ll the rest of us do?

            • Captain Howdy

              Well she is a nurse and does have the key to the magick cabinet.

            • Trustmeonthis

              You can be *my* god-mama!
              I’m sure my (long departed) real mama would appreciate it.
              In the meantime, I will just sit here and listen to my snoring cat.

            • sugarplumfairy

              You got it, kiddo..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              that had to be grueling…sorry SPF!

          • Sandy

            I thought MWM just gave us up for Lent… Guess we will see …

          • Sherbet

            Aw, Howdy, I know a lot of us feel the same way about you. You’re like the bright, funny, and smartalecky uncle that every family should have, even if we have to smack you around once in awhile. Besides, scientology doesn’t have a chance with you in the Bunker.

          • ParticleMom

            There was a rumor that she was giving us up for lent. When does that end? I hope she comes back.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              ditto

            • jojo neal

              Lent ends on Easter. i hope MWM did just give us up for Lent; I gave up the Bunker for Advent because I was indulging too much. Can’t leave it alone! I need a Bunkernon!
              BTW, as I read the comments below i am struck once more by how kind and decent everyone is. BTN does not need to get out her paddle. Yet.

            • FistOfXenu

              No paddle? Awwwww

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Awh howdy…how cool are you?

            Ok, as much as I love you all.
            Think of the SEAORG…

            We come back!

            • Sherbet

              Yes, Bury, I signed up for this blog for a billion years.

            • N. Graham

              You’re just trying to get out of your freeloader debt.

      • Trustmeonthis

        I, for one, want MWM back. Who doesn’t need a Mom?!
        Please, folks, remember we’re not talking about *you* when we are generalizing here!
        You know we have to laugh so we don’t just cry all the time… right?

    • It started with the 90-year-old pianist, which stirred a lot of emotions and some arguments about how much blame should attach to the old man himself for his situation. Then the piece about auditing babies to remove their “potty thetans” hit a lot of buttons too: when it’s about kids, people get even more upset than about abuse of the elderly. So everybody was primed for emotional venting already.

      • Sherbet

        I think you’re right, Rob. We have to take occasional mental vacations from the unending spew of garbage. I honestly don’t know how Tony has managed to immerse himself in the study of scn for so long, every single day, and not lose his sanity.

        • Captain Howdy

          Cool, you’re back ! I thought maybe you did a runner.

          • Sherbet

            You think I’m skippress or something? Can’t get rid of me that easily.

    • Sherbet, I’ve read a few of the later posts and I’m not 100% clear on which posts contain the Catholic bashing, so I can only speak to the posts that I’ve made in which I’ve criticized the Catholic Church. I have often felt badly that MidwestMom felt the need to stop posting here and she is dearly missed; I also hope that some of my posts did not offend her.

      I’ve had some interesting interactions with the Catholic Church, having both an ex-Priest and an ex-Nun as close family members although I am not (and have never been) a practicing Catholic. I attended a Catholic school for 8 years and have had much exposure to the dogma, history, and teachings of the Catholic religion. My criticisms of the Catholic Church follow my criticisms of Scientology – that its behaviors should be held up to the very standard(s) that they profess to espouse.

      Priests and Nuns, like it or not, are in positions of trust and their behavior should be scrutinized as such. Lawyers are also in positions of trust based on the knowledge that they profess and the potential harm they could cause; priests, therapists, and others in similar positions of trust are also held to this standard. The law defines these positions of trust and there are larger punishments for those that abuse them.

      So I criticize those that abuse the positions of trust and manage to get away with it, the Catholic Church included. I do have some inside knowledge of how systematic these abuses are with this organization from my family members. But I do not criticize transubstantiation or any of the dogma, and I’m not quite sure if I’ve seen that done here either (disclosure – I haven’t read all the posts so maybe I’m missing something).

      So I’m not clear on why others are offended by criticisms on the abusive behaviors as that’s what we do here on a daily basis. For me, I fail to see how the practices of Scientology are a religious dogma and I see their practices as dangerous medical quackery so I openly criticize auditing and the ‘Tech’ as practiced both inside and outside the cult. But the practices of the Catholic Church do not fall into that category and even Priests are now trained on how to refer someone they are advising to a mental health professional if needed.

      Catholic practices and dogma are not my concern except for the belief that a Priest has absolute power and authority, as given by God, and that all Priests must protect the Church first and foremost (and not call the authorities when children and adults are raped, abused, and molested). This absolute authority is a huge problem when the Church hierarchy covers up such horrid crimes, which they undisputedly have done.

      I hope this makes sense. I spent a lot of time immersed with the Catholic Church and I find a lot of what they do as incredibly helpful to the community. Catholic charities are some of the best, and the religion has a lot of fantastic people as adherents. I actually enjoyed going to mass and learning about the religion. What I state in comments here relates only to abusive behaviors and how it has been covered up (and this is now a written fact here in Los Angeles) for decades.

      • Anonymookme

        I’m a barely practicing Catholic but I think I can relate to SPF & MWM.
        The comparisons between the CC and the COS are ludicrous. You will not find many mainstream Catholics defending, denying or blaming someone else for the horrible abuse scandal & cover up in the CC, and Bill Donahue doesn’t count as a mainstream Catholic. He’s a fanatic, and not typical of most Catholics.
        The CC is certainly not perfect nor are they above criticism, but to compare them to COS is hideous.They do a lot of genuine good in the world. The hierarchy doesn’t practice what they preach. Alert the media.
        As a Catholic I am absolutely free to criticize the hierarchy of the church, contribute to the church or not, receive the sacrements or not and not be afraid of disconnection, fair game or any of the other abuses of the COS. if I choose to go to confession, I don’t have to worry about what I confess being written down, kept in a file somewhere and hauled out to shame me if I speak out against the abuse/coverup scandal.
        There is just no comparison between the CC and COS.

        • I agree that comparing the actions (and reactions) of the two organizations is not a fair comparison although both do not get the same level of scrutiny because they are both viewed as “religions”. This wasn’t really my point. I was asking what statements were offending folks because I’m not sure I saw anything as bashing Catholics.

          I also tried to explain myself and differentiate my comments as ones attacking the systemic abuses done by those in a position of trust (regardless of the faith) should be openly examined and questioned by all.

          Put it this way, if the same child sex abuse (as done by Catholic Priests) or child labor abuse (as done by the CoS) were done by managers of a publicly traded organization and the abuse was mismanaged/swept under the carpet by the top level managers, you could bank that this corporation would have been dismantled and had mountains of fines, etc. The fact that both organizations are not held to the same standard because both are “religions” (and I mean that they both receive the same protections) is a huge problem.

          But, again, I fail to see where anything I’ve said is attacking Catholics. Maybe you can help me figure that out because I definitely don’t want to offend my friends here (I’m being sincere).

          • Trustmeonthis

            +1

          • Anonymookme

            I think the fact that COS is even considered to be a “religion” is a sticking point. I think that any practicing or barely practicing Catholic would tell you that the perpetrators of the abuse of children & those who covered it up should be in prison. We are free to say that & to say it out loud without consequence. Same goes for all other genuine “religions”.
            COS is to “religion” as Charo is to “music”.

      • Trustmeonthis

        Well said, Deckard.

      • Missionary Kid

        Many of the same criticisms can be leveled towards fundamentalist Protestants.

    • 1subgenius

      “Domini, domini, domini. You’re ALL Catholics now.”–Monty Python ?

      • Captain Howdy

        Easy there fella, we’ve already got 3 MCIA’s

        • sugarplumfairy

          You wish you could get rid of me that easy.. =)

      • Sherbet

        Thanks a lot, 1sub. Now I’ll never get a parking space outside church.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Imma pass the plate, then..

        • FistOfXenu

          Does it have cookies on it? Gotta have cookies.

      • N. Graham
    • sugarplumfairy

      thanks, Sherbet..

      I really wasn’t asking anyone to change the way they comment.. A return to good manners would freak my opinionated butt out.. I adore our community, the dear and the obnoxious alike.. (yeah, you, Howdy..) and would never want to impose my sensibilities on anyone else.. As you noted, I was just stating feelings.. And mostly what I was feeling late last night was sad to read harsh things about something that, as it turns out, I care about much more than I realized..

      But I have a big fat mouth and if I dish it out, I can certainly take it.. So bring on the pope jokes, you godless heathens.. =)

      • Sherbet

        Hugs!

        • sugarplumfairy

          Back at you, S..

      • Ziontologist

        Fuck this noise!
        You never cared when my feelings got hurt …

        • sugarplumfairy

          Lol.. You always hurt the one you love, Zion..

          Btw, Is it just me, or have we mellowed your butt out some? Lately, you’re pretty darn funny..

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I think it was all Beavis and Butthead!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yep..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Naw SPF!…Z was always one of the good guys. He is just sensitive!…And he tried to tell us but we didn’t listen.
              Shame on us!
              We just get jaded sometimes.

            • sugarplumfairy

              You’re a wise woman, Stephen Hawking..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              πŸ™‚
              I love your ack!

              So will Z.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              who down arrowed me…/
              I will KICK ur ASS…
              REUALLY

        • grundoon

          Honestly, your first few fake personas didn’t give us much to relate to in a positive way. Your new Z persona seems much more like someone we would like to get to know and appreciate.

      • Missionary Kid

        Us godless heathens appreciate your including us.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Jesus H. Christ Sherbet…I just read through this whole mess!
      Thank God I had a Guinness in the fridge!.

      I cannot leave you people alone for two hours!

      That’s it….EVERYBODY gets a time out until you can share your toys and there will be no more biting either or I am bringing back corporal punishment.
      That’s right…I have a paddle. And it is Fabulous!

      • Sherbet

        But he started it. And he won’t stop kicking me under the table.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          If you say he keeps touching you one more time….
          I am making you ride in the u-haul…and there are BATS in there.

          • Sherbet

            Mwah! Ms. Nuts!

      • FistOfXenu

        Oooh! A paddle? Kin-kyyyyyyyyyy!

        Yes please. πŸ˜›

  • 1subgenius

    Aussies know how to do a stress (gullibility) test right.

    And the scilons show up to watch!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IQQE04_TCM

    • Captain Howdy

      That was freaking hilarious and I suggest everybody watch it. The guy with the piercings was killer.

      • 1subgenius

        Indeed.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      She was the official from the church?
      And she had a genuine smile and a chuckle sneaking out?
      Color me impressed.

    • CraftLass

      Oh, wow! I remember seeing that when the Chaser was airing here, it was funny the first time, but with my increased knowledge, so much funnier now! Thanks for posting. Those guys are incredible, so funny and daring. Miss that show!

      • 1subgenius

        Balls of steel.
        Need moar of this sort of thing.
        “Humor is the one thing cults can’t stand”–Enturbulator 009

    • SP ‘Onage

      Love it! So funny because it’s right in front of their org. Scientology’s Australian spokesperson Virginia Stewart is a tool. She knows how to play it up in front of the camera, but deep inside she’s seething.

    • Missionary Kid

      The scilons look like they may be in management, ’cause they’re working on the bridge to being overweight.

    • sugarplumfairy

      lol.. How have I missed that? That was great..

  • When I started protesting Scientology they were all about the Free Personality Test. I think word got out over time, to the point that passersby knew it was bunk. They switched to the Free Stress Test. It’s a shame the FDA doesn’t enforce its laws, because the Stress Test e-meter use violates their edict that it shall only be used in Scientology pastoral counseling, and shall not be used to diagnose physical or mental disease in a secular setting.

    Nobody seems to care, which is why they’ve gotten as far as they have. Apathy sucks.

    • FistOfXenu

      Yep. People like to say we need more laws to regulate The Criminal Cult but really what’s the point? We don’t bother inforcing the ones we have already. If the authorities really made them obey the laws already there $cientarCONon would be too poor the harrass its enemies and too regulated to be doing all the damage they do right now.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        True Fact!

    • Trustmeonthis

      They used to be allowed to set up with their e-meters in BART stations! My friends and I could never understand how a putative religion could get permish from the guv to do such a thing.
      I guess I know now.

  • Chocolate Velvet

    I am very glad to see Claire Headley in the mix. I’ve followed her blog, and I really like her style as a writer. A great guide on this tour across L Ron’s invisible bridge!

    • FistOfXenu

      Not across, CV, UP! Anybody can make a bridge that goes across from one place to another. Hubba-bubba gave us a bridge that goes UP. As in straight up and vertical, from nowhere (your imaginary “ruin”) to nowhere (OTVIII). That’s why it costs so much and it’s so valuable! That’s why anybody who opposes The Criminal Cult is so evil and suppressive and has to be destroyed by any means!

      Tony’s done a great thing by arranging this. The more the layers of lies are stripped away the easier it is to show people the dirty little reality of $cientarCONon under the manufactured mystique.

      • Ze Moo

        Sorry Mightyfistofxenu, Bridges connect land with similar elevation. Ladders go up or down. Elevators go up or down. Escalators go up or down. In New York, even us upstaters know how to buy a bridge. What is the difference between a government bond and a true kool-aid drinking scamatologist? Eventually the government bond matures.

    • RMycroft

      I’ve missed pointing out Claire Appreciation Day for a several years now. So sorry!

  • Espiando

    I’m glad Claire’s taking time out from H3 rearing duties to help out here. Since I’ve never fallen for the “personality test” and “stress test” traps, I’m very interested in how the initial body routing opens up the gates to the Bridge To Total Bankruptcy. Claire has a great perspective on this, and the commenters here joining in with their experiences from the outside going in are proving very enlightening.

    I realize today that Scientology attempted to recruit me once, but it was in a very indirect and rather insidious way. In my yoof, I was a big fan of literary science fiction (still enjoy it, but these days I’m more into history and biography, among other genres that kids think are basic cable networks). One day in the early 1980s, I received a rather professionally-printed postcard from some fans of a newly-released book called Battlefield Earth. The postcard pimped the book a bit, and then extended an invitation to join a “fan club” for people to share their enjoyment of Battlefield Earth. I don’t know if Dave and Syn were already in at that time, but all the info was on a local Chicago basis, so I wondered if they had any more info on that particular direction.

    Recruiting SF fans is a bit of a masterstroke on their part, you have to admit. Who’d be more receptive to the space opera stuff in OT3? Of course, we know today that Hubbard always tried to use that path going back to the early Dianetics days. But as an angsty teen at the time, I would certainly have been a good slab of raw meat for them. Thank FSM that I never bought a copy of Battlefield Earth, nor have I had any desire to read it over the years.

    As for the votes, I went for the M&Ms and our beloved David Love. There’s real damage being done there where the cult is at its weakest. And for those of us who believe that all Scientology leads to disaster, have you seen what Marty’s been doing on his blog lately with Mike’s help? When some fundamentalist Indies put out a declare on you and want you to do conditions, you must be doing something right.

    • Trustmeonthis

      Wait, what? The indies are declaring Marty?!
      I kinda don’t understand the distinction between indies and freezone… is freezone just randomly doing it, and indies are organized?
      Also, props for writing “yoof.” I totally say it that way too. πŸ™‚

      • grundoon

        More or less, Indies are those who adhere religiously to standard LRH processes. Freezoners use whatever they think is workable, usually some combination of LRH processes and/or modified, post-LRH, LRH-tribute or faux-LRH processes by such other enthusiasts as Elron Elray / Capt. Bill Robertson and The Pilot / Ken Ogger.

        • Trustmeonthis

          Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated.

        • Trustmeonthis

          Thanks for the clarification, I really appreciate it.
          Also, props for your username. Pogo (and Doonesbury) really influenced my fragile little mind when I was growing up.

          • grundoon

            We go Pogo!

    • Johan

      Battlefield Earth is the only Hubbard book I ever read – at age 13 I think. I remember thinking it was so-so as a SF story and a bit wordy (ha!). When I returned the book to the library, the whole ‘Mission’ series was there – I was so put of I didn’t read one. I think still have time waste points left over.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        shit ,,,, shit ,,,shit.

        Sorry!

  • Swiss Guy

    Mr. Ortega,

    Sometimes you write good reports and sometimes you just write, by taking the opinion of one person and generalizing it, nonsense.

    The Oca test is a good tool to assess a person. I’ve administrated 1000ds of those tests and many times I’d people that had only positive traits ( mostly very happy and successful people) and nowhere in the training materials it states this would be a false state of happiness or such nonsense ! We always told the person that she is in a good state but nevertheless tried to interest the person for the philosophy by explaining what it is. Some were interested and some not.

    If you continue to write such nonsense without checking the facts I’ll stop reading your Blog.

    • TonyOrtega

      I’m sure Claire would not in the least be put out by someone voicing a contrary point of view. That’s what the comments are for. Thanks for stopping by, and I hope you provide additional counterpoints as well. Cheers.

      • Swiss Guy

        Yeah, the only point i want to make is that as a Test evaluator i never was trained to tell a person who had mainly positive traits that it is a fake happiness This is just not true !No test eval training material states this. I’d many people with positive traits, but also the contrary. If used honestly one can help people with it, but I doubt this is done today. that’s all and I don’t want to discuss it further as this test is about 60 years old now and never has been modernized. Mostly when a person had only positive traits they were very interesting, creative and communicative personalities and fascinating discussions about Scientology were the the result of the eval, which weren’t liked by the seniors as they wanted sales !
        I don’t wanna prove anything but just tell my experience !
        But as i was an evaluator in the seventies and eighties and quite successful with it without any hard sell and that nonsense, I know that today the test is misused and falsely administrated, as was told to me by people which do evals today. I was told that we did anything wrong with it and now they do it correctly. Whatever that means !

        The original test was the “American Personality Analysis” which was developed by Julia Lewis a psychologist, which copyrighted it in 1956, Tom Voltz, a Swiss Guy- not from Sweden- (he wrote also a book about his experience in Scientology) got hold of the copyright from her heirs and went to court in Switzerland and wanted Licence fees from the COS for using the test. I never heard anything about the outcome of it, perhaps he also got some millions. Tom Voltz was involved in U-Man.

        • Ze Moo

          You answered your own question re how to correctly use the test. It is for the hard sell and sales were to be the end product. These types of Personality Analysis tests were supposed to be for job placement purposes, not psychiatric analysis. Viele dank fΓΌr the geschichte

        • FistOfXenu

          “i never was trained to tell a person who had mainly positive traits that it is a fake happiness ”

          I had it said to me 3 different times. Just so you know.

        • hogarthian

          “But as i was an evaluator in the seventies and eighties and quite successful with it”…. I’d be interested to hear by what measure you evaluated ‘success’? And also, how ironic that the test that’s used to suck ’em in was developed by a psychologist, a scientologist, but a psychologist just the same.

        • Captain Howdy

          Thanks Swiss Guy, that was an interesting comment.

    • Captain Howdy

      Are you related to the Swedish Guy by any chance ?

      • hogarthian

        oh that’s EXTREMELY funny!

        • Captain Howdy

          Thanks. Where is my pal Roger anyway ?

          • hogarthian

            I’d love to help, but I ain’t been out the house all day, I haven’t seen anyone. πŸ˜‰ (p.s. who’s Roger?)

            • Captain Howdy

              Roger the Swedish Guy, but he’s cool, if somewhat indecipherable.

            • Swiss Guy

              Sweden isn’t Switzerland Man. Look at an atlas ! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

      • Swiss Guy

        Yeah, Typical american. you tell them you’re Swiss and they ask if you’re from Sweden ! πŸ™‚
        Those are 2 different countries very far away from each other !

        • Are_sics

          That’s not fair. You have the same last name.

        • Captain Howdy

          “very far away from each other” You can fly from Sweden to Switzerland in under 2 hrs. By car and ferry it’s less than a day.You must have gone to the same university as D.M and T.C, “Wossamotta U”.

          • Missionary Kid

            Don’t insult the genius. He probably got his doctorate the same place as LRH.

          • HEY! Don’t knock Bullwinkle’s Alma Mater.

          • Swiss Guy

            As I already Told ” Typical American” ! We have a running Joke ” They don’t know Geography, speak only one language, have no clue about our culture and think they have culture if they can speak some French . For European people Sweden is very far away from Switzerland. Didn’t you learn that in school ?

            Re. the Universities in the USA it’s nearly as expensive as doing Scientology.so not many Americans have an education, and that’s the main reason that DM and cohorts can play their games there, while in Europe the governments are taking action against them.

            If our young people that go to Universities don’t have enough money for a living, the government then helps while you take credits !

            USA has a long way to reform their educational system to get the Human right in that everybody has a chance !

            Howdy I invite you to Switzerland and I’ll show you around and you ‘ll be able to talk to people explaining them that Sweden is just around the corner, I’ll show you a real democracy and a schooling and educational system that has one of the highest success rate worldwide (we don’t have any real unemployment problem). Would be lots of fun discussingh with you !

            • Captain Howdy

              Actually SG I’ve been very good friends with a number of Swiss folks in my time and they very lovely people.

    • Ms. B. Haven

      i’d like to see some scientific basis for the OCA test. I don’t believe that there is any, but I am certainly open to seeing what is out there. If you are aware of any research, please pass it on so it is available for review and discussion. I second Tony’s comments about contrary points of view. These blogs can get a little boring with everyone ‘preaching to the choir’ so to speak.

    • Johan

      Well Sir, it’s good too hear that the test is actually taken seriously by some – I can tell you that this is an interesting piece of information. People here are primed to be cynical given the plethora of other examples where scientologists go to any and all lengths to recruit and/ or ‘reg’, including lying and coercing. Maybe some others would like to add their experiences?

      • FistOfXenu

        We’re cynical about the test because it’s a floating turd adrift on a river of diarrhea. We’re “primed” by the stupidity of the questions, the deceit of the answers and the complete bullshit the the test is trying to sell you. Real tests are documented for the way they were developed and how they work. Real tests don’t prejudice the outcome. Real tests are peer reviewed.

        OCA couldn’t be documented without admitting how much of it was plagiarized and then distorted so the questions aren’t unbiased anymore. OCA couldn’t be made to be unbiased because that would risk having to admit to people that they don’t “need” $cientarCONon. OCA couldn’t be peer reviewed because Hubbard wasn’t part of any legitimate group of people who know about the human mind. He was a group of 1 megalomaniac.

        That’s enough to make anybody cynical.

    • SP ‘Onage

      You read this blog and have commented once…hmmm. The Oca test is a crock of shit. Only the gullible buy into it.

      • ParticleMom

        Yeah, it does seem like we have at least a couple of, um, newbies with us today. It has been a while.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      We in RTC wish to assure the general public that the OCA was scientifically designed by fellows in lab coats who held clipboards and collected data from a test population consisting of a broad cross section of white people with pronounced anxiety, criminality, and insecurity. There were also a few Cutters and Emos in the test population.

      The result were cross-indexed and tabulated using an IBM punch card system and compared with data collected electropsychometerically from:

      1. The catastrophe that occurred 75,000,000 years ago in this sector of the galaxy.

      2. Wholetrack incidents going back trillions of years including incidents addressed on the Upper Levels of the Bridge.

      3. Moments of pain and unconsciousness as happened in past lives and in this lifetime.

      4. That time when your Mom hauled off and smacked you in the head when you were screaming in the backseat of the car and then you whimpered all the way to the circus. That was a big loss and explains why you whimper at work and no one likes you. Only Scientology can help you with this.

      5. Romantic rejection: That time in high school when you realized just how terribly unattractive you actually are and that only Scientology can help you.

      So yes, Swiss Guy is tracking with we in RTC, and, if by way of highlighting the astounding and spectacular accomplishments of COB RTC David Miscavige, we in RTC wish to announce that now fully 42% of Namibia has been tested using the OCA and that crime has decreased 82% as a result.

      • Are_sics

        ohymygod… I can’t breathe…. and I was going to write something about psychometric validation techniques…. but this so very much better…. turning blue here with the laughter.

      • hogarthian

        LOL just doesn’t do it here. I’m doing my Dick Dastardly and Muttley laugh.

      • John P.

        It is a resounding testament to your founder’s whole-track prescience that he was able to develop a test in 1959 that included a test population of Cutters and Emos, given that Emos didn’t really exist until sometime in the early 1990s. The skinny-legged jeans typically worn by Emos were, however, developed several years earlier.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Cutters and Emos have always been here on Earth; they have simply gone by different names. The Emo is a timeless character and we certainly have a few in our Church:

          http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/JT_zps00bf8554.jpg

        • FistOfXenu

          I wore them back in the 50s. But I didn’t cut and anybody displaying any Emoness would’ve been called sissies and beaten to an inch of their lives back then.

    • Oh lookie here! It looks like we have a bona fide, OSA/Amends-making troll.

      Welcome, Swiss guy. I see that you have the grammar and writing skills higher than that of your predecessors. I hope you accomplish your goals of A through E and get to speak to your family members soon. If not, then I hope you stick around because we like people like you to keep our critical thinking and argument making skills sharpened. You also have a tendency of proving our points just by writing a few words that clearly illustrate your levels of cognitive dissonance and delusion.

      Welcome!

      • hogarthian

        Fabulously put!

    • hogarthian

      Yes, ok….. but why are you administering a test that was developed by a ‘psychologist’ (I can’t recall her name Miller/Edwards maybe?). She was a Scientologist, but a psychologist none the less.

    • Missionary Kid

      Please, follow through on your threat until you quit drinking the Clam-Aid.

    • Freeloader debt is not legal. Just walk out the front door and be free.

    • 1subgenius

      “If you continue to write such nonsense without checking the facts I’ll stop reading your Blog.”

      That is the weakest threat I’ve ever seen.
      Must be troll.

    • SandiCorrena

      Ciao Swiss Guy but remember what Gayle Smith says “freeloader debt is not legal”. In case you come back we’ll leave the light on.

    • ParticleMom

      Tony is a journalist of great integrity. On his blog he can write as he pleases, whether it is a serious news piece or something more entertaining and editorial. And you get to express your opinion, too! Instead of threatening to leave, tell us more about your experience. Join the conversation.

    • RMycroft

      “If you continue to write such nonsense without checking the facts I’ll stop reading your Blog.”

      Nooooooooooooooo!

  • richelieu jr

    I really, have to reiterate my problem with the Rinder/Rathburn choice– are we talking danger to the Miscavige CoS or to Hubbard’s entire cupboard?

    They are a definite threat to the dwarf, but dedicated to keepingnpeoplemenslved and paying for Hubbard’s nonsense.

    It is impossible to make an informednvotenunless these terms are defined.

    • Captain Howdy

      Well, Ratbun seems to be inadvertently destroying the Indie movement through his blog. So it’s the whole enchilada.

      • richelieu jr

        let’s hope, but no help for voting

        • Captain Howdy

          “but no help for voting”
          Really ? OK let’s try this..you should vote for rathnun & rinder..DO IT NOW !

          • BuryTheNuts2

            God I love you. You are not right in such a myriad of ways It almost does not compute.

          • DeElizabethan

            LoL, For those who love to be commanded! Real tone 40.

      • DeElizabethan

        I’ve seen a lot of changes as you surely have also on Marty’s blog. The other day there was a long Hubboard blaming letter on the Blame thread and I was a little surprised in what he’s letting through these days. Plus points.

    • Johan

      If you look at building a ‘New SMERSH’ M&M play an outstanding role by being a major thorn in COS’ side. You don’t have to like them, but they are very effective.

      • richelieu jr

        Yes Johan, but if Miscavige’s CoS falls and they just take it’s mailing list and policies and charge less fora ‘kinder and gentler’ CoS, were they enemies or saviours?
        I’ sorry, this is not a little point. Their avowed goal is to continue LRH’s policies sans Miscavige to ‘clear the world’…
        I am reminded of the old joke:

        You know bird shit?

        Yeah.

        You know that little milky pool around it? What’s that called?

        I dunno..

        That’s bird shit too….

        I think of those guys as the milky pool…

        • Johan

          They’ve hardly started and they’re already infighting like cats & dogs, so they may well be that milky pool – they don’t have a snowballs hope of successfully re-starting COS. maybe they will start something else, but can we worry about that tomorrow?? In the meantime they know all Davey’s little tricks and they also know SO well how to infuriate him, that’s worth GOLD.

          • richelieu jr

            Well, I’m certainly glad to see the getting his goat, and his gold.. there’s no question about that!

        • DeElizabethan

          Saviour? It won’t happen, imnho.

        • FistOfXenu

          richelieu, if I ever stop laughing at this I’ll finish my pancakes. Meantime that’s exactly what I’ve been wanting to say for ages but I couldn’t think how. I haven’t heard that joke before so that’s the icing – I mean bird shit – on the cake.

  • Edgar Davis Glove should win this! Although Holmes has larger potential for media coverage and scrutiny, Mr. Love is a kick-ass-take-names-later type that has done way more damage to the Narconon revenue stream and he will not stop, either. Love, single-handed, could cut off the cult at its knees.

    • SP ‘Onage

      I agree. ^^^ He’s also dangerous to the cult because he can’t be bought off. No amount of “Blood Money” will stop him. He is a man who’s true to his convictions. His commitment to truth and staying the course is inspiring.

    • ParticleMom

      I agree. Katie did a great job of freeing herself and Suri. I’m glad it brought media attention to CoS. However, Mr. Love is taking out Narconons one-by-one almost single-handedly!

      • I’m voting on a ‘future potential’ basis, and Katie’s influence on the cult has limited future potential. Mr. Glove, on the other hand, has tremendous potential. He’s not bound by any NDAs or other legally binding gags. It’s GLOVE for the win!!

        • ParticleMom

          Completely agree…but it is Love, as in, “I love David Love!”

          • I call him Edgar Davis Glove because that’s what OT8isGr888 called him once. It stuck.

            • ParticleMom

              Oops, I clearly missed that one πŸ™‚

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Katie who?

    We in RTC don’t recognize that name.

    http://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/tomkat1.png

    • Captain Howdy

      Does this ring a bell ?

      • SP ‘Onage

        Bahaha! Look at the poodle!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Toy poodle.

          • SP ‘Onage

            haha. Where is Shelly?

    • Sherbet

      Nice PhotoShop, GR8. You can hardly see there was another person in the pic with the two Big Beings.

      • N. Graham

        Who was it? Shelley?

    • Snuzey

      The fella on the right in this picture really makes me want to throw up. When I look at his smug face I feel sick to the stomach, and my face scrunches up like a bulldog chewing on a bee. Is that because I’m a WOG SP?

  • Oh’ – – Grrrrrr! I had to take that test three times. First time when transferred out of Withdrawal – – second time was after Sauna – – and third time at end of 5 month indoctrination program. (Also, IQ Test at each time). Interesting test scores that I could post here, but I don’t think posting of scanned images is available on comments section? Also interesting was Narconon using IQ test results to qualify for certain job Posts? GREAT “Training Session”, Tony πŸ™‚ <3

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Wait a minute??? They were using IQ tests to qualify for certain job posts?
      This is same bunch of clowns who will assign a 50 year old person to get sec checked by a 16 year old?

      Oh wait…these are silly rhetorical questions….I forgot where I was for a minute.

    • Captain Howdy

      What’s this ? One of the candidates is making a public appearance ?

      Katie better get her sweet ass down here ASAP and start promising to send out autographed 8×10’s, because this thing is CLOSE !

      • Mike and Marty are kissing babies, but Claire is keeping her baby well away!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          That is an auto win write in for Claire.

      • FistOfXenu

        an 8×10 of Katie? I’ll take 2.

        Sorry Dave. It’s the eyes.

  • AnonymousSP

    SMERSH: of course Joe &Tom. David for round 2 as he actually doing something!

  • Anyone else “take” the test today? I gave myself 1 point if I got Ron’s answer, 0 if I did not, and .5 if I said maybe.

    106.83

    Okay, fine, I have no trouble killing a fish I caught, I gave myself .33 for number 14.

  • Right, there was no stress test in the early days because our intention was never just to stir up some past charge and get it to read on the meter, the leave the inquiring person with that on his attention for the next few days. Just isn’t Scientology. There is a “pinch” test where you get the person’s permission to pinch him while he is connected to the emeter. This causes a fall on the emeter needle. Then you have the person recall the pinch while looking at the meter so he can see that the same read comes back when he just thinks of it, and we have him do that a few times until the reaction is gone. This gives him reality on how the e-meter works without leaving him with his case affecting him.

  • Unex Skcus

    Tom Tobin and Joe Childs get my vote, and David Love.

  • grundoon

    With each Narconon that closes down, David Love is saving lives. Nuff said.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Touche’ grundoon.

  • The OCA is used throughout the scn ‘bridge’. I remember when I went to the ‘Feewinds’ in ’98, they gave it to me before and after the stupid course. So, after like 8 days in the beautiful Caribbean and being Reggie’s by the IAS vulture for an ADDITIONAL 4 or 8 $k on top of the $4k for the trip and course and only getting 1.5 days to actually enjoy the islands, my OCA went DOWN!

    • CraftLass

      So, what actually happens when it goes down? Do they use that to make you re-do courses or take other ones? As a never-in I’m quite ignorant and curious…

      • They tried to get me to stay, get an auditing review: basically spend even more money. I think the ‘go fuck yourself’ in my eyes made them let me go.

        • CraftLass

          Ahhh, so pretty much my guess. Glad your eyes “speak” so eloquently πŸ˜‰

  • M&M get my vote. It’s close. While Tobin and Childs are superb in raising awareness, M&M give the appearance of a viable option: leaving the corporate wallet fucking ‘church’ while still remaining a scn. It’s an easier bridge to ‘out’ (pun intended) than cold turkey withdrawal. It thus bleeds membership and $ from scientocracy.
    Because of the long term legal threat, I give it to David Love. But Katie demonstrated how OT Tom isn’t.
    But, for the cult, these four are a synergy of fail. Not quite fair to pit place them in competition.

    • DeElizabethan

      I do agree about M&M with their viable option for those to come out, as it does help them adjust and then they have the time it takes to see the truths.

    • Unex Skcus

      Understand your sentiments, but journos like Tobin and Childs help prevent people getting involved with Co$ in the first place. (IMHO)

  • Sherbet

    You think it was free, Tony, but, just in case, look for mysterious charges on your next credit card bill.

  • I voted for David Love! I adore Katie for how she broke up w/ Tom Cruise–and yes, it did make a strong statement. However, David love has KICKED SOME SERIOUS ASS re the “church” of $cientology and Narconon, shined a light on this abusive, phony “drug rehab” BS organization that shall never be forgotten. Both have helped, but my vote is w/ the Love man, always. πŸ™‚

    • Snippy_X

      Tory – you rock!

    • Unex Skcus

      Yep, and David will still be battling on *long* after the media has moved to the next ‘big thing’ re Katie. Not as though she’s standing up and saying anything, is it?

  • Snippy_X

    Meta-comment: I’d hate to have to count these votes all buried down inside these comments. Disqus needs to add some font faces, so people can “circle” their answers. Maybe Tory’s got it – ALL CAPS?

    • hogarthian

      Forgive me…… this could sound either facetious or really thick (and it’s neither), but aren’t you just supposed to click the one you want to win, and then click ‘vote’?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Why is everyone trying to make me pee on myself today!

        • FistOfXenu

          because then you blush and it brings color into your cheeks? πŸ˜›

      • Snippy_X

        OMG that thingy was blocked by my ad-blocker. That explains a lot. Sorry BTN.

        • hogarthian

          It made me LOL! I love it here, it’s like Christmas lunch with eccentric/funny/strange/ angry/intelligent/geeky family members, with a couple of brainwashed neighbours thrown in to remind us all of what the REAL meaning of Christmas is! I think I’ll stay.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            FAROUT!
            That is what happened to me too.

            Besides…You almost killed Stephen Hawking! You are a natural born bunkerite.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          That WAS epic Snippy….Sorry…But “THIS” one was really good!
          I am still chuckling.

          • Snippy_X

            yeah yeah

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Luv U..Really. (((hugs)))
              U made my day…!
              Well, U and fist and Howdy and Hogarthian and Zion and Howdy.
              shit already!

    • ParticleMom

      The voted are only counted by clicking your choice in the poll. We are just sharing our votes is the comments – they don’t count towards the results.

  • SandiCorrena

    Very very hard choosing between Katie and David; if it weren’t for the cracked shell heard round the world of Katie leaving Tom I wouldn’t know anything about CO$ or anyone involved, she’s how I found Tory, Tony, The Headleys, Nancy, John, Amy, Jefferson, David, Colin, Lucas and on and on. She was my Key Master and that’s pretty profound but of course she’s very quiet now. Who doesn’t love Mr. Love; he’s really a dreamy and rugged kind of hero and he never stops;his work with legislators will go on and on………

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Tobin and Childs, David Love.
    Today’s was hard and made my head hurt.

  • N. Graham

    Lawrence Wright will be talking about his book Going Clear on Goodreads Live on March 11. He’ll mention the Sea Org, Lil Davey, and more.
    http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4258.Lawrence_Wright?auto_login_attempted=true

  • Captain Howdy

    So is the “Atlantic Wire ” connected to the Atlantic magazine because they are currently running a smear story against Tony .

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/03/what-scientology-investigative-reporter-does/62686/

    • John P.

      They are running a story catching the cult in the act attempting to smear Tony… they’re not doing a hatchet job on him themselves. Perhaps this is a way of attempting to atone for their bizarre decision to take the advertorial money back a few weeks ago.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Sounds like they’re supporting Tony and exposing co$ trying to smear him..And unlike co$ and karin pout, Tony actually gives them a good comment when they ask for one..

    • BuryTheNuts2

      this was a fail a few days ago…
      Where ya all been?

      • Captain Howdy

        Not here, remember I was away this weekend and SPF and John are right, I misread the story. Anything else you want me to confess to ? How about being the Zodiac ? BRX’UH FUDCLHU WKDQ PH

        • BuryTheNuts2

          R U the Zodiac? Not bloody likely?

        • Observer

          Grand Eclectus?

      • sugarplumfairy

        I’m glad I got to see it.. I hadn’t seen it earlier..

    • SP ‘Onage

      Captain, sorry to butt in, but I found some info on that Atlantic wire link you posted. I can’t find your original post, just caught it during the Disqus comment loop.

      The journalist is probably a scientology shill. I don’t trust this woman who wrote the story on Tony.

      Elspeth Reeve, was a former reporter-researcher at The New Republic. There was a scandal about her husband, Scott Thomas.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Thomas_Beauchamp_controversy

      The Scott Thomas Beauchamp controversy concerns the publication of a series of diaries by Scott Thomas Beauchamp (b. 1983 St. Louis, Missouri) – a private in the United States Army, serving in the Iraq War, and a member of Alpha Company, 1-18 Infantry, Second Brigade Combat Team, First Infantry Division.[1][2]
      In 2007, using the pen name “Scott Thomas”, Beauchamp filed three entries in The New Republic about serving at Forward operating base Falcon, Baghdad. These entries concerned alleged misconduct by soldiers, including Beauchamp, in post-invasion Iraq.
      Several publications and bloggers questioned Beauchamp’s statements. The New Republic investigated the statements, first standing by the content of Beauchamp’s articles for several months, then concluding that they could no longer stand by this material. A U.S. Army investigation had previously concluded the statements in the material were false.

      http://observer.com/2007/12/elspeth-reeve-on-factchecking-her-husbands-baghdad-diarist-stories-at-ithe-new-republici/

      More on her ^^^

  • As for the COS personality survey I had a relative who was saved from that rathole by telling COS she was going to a counselor to work through some things and they wouldn’t accept a non tech solution and so she chose to say no way! A key is helping people know there are answers to their problems whether psychological, religious, etc. and therefore they can stay away from those wolves. They make people believe they have a problem and if they don’t have a better solution they may take the bait.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      That was hilarious!

  • DodoTheLaser

    I took and administrated OCA test great number of times over the 15 years of my involvement.

    It’s a pseudo-psychological test designed to sell you a “solution” for your supposed “ruin”.
    Oxford Capacity Analysis sounds real fancy and scientific, 200 questions to answer, the graph
    presented looks impressive and the evaluator usually seems like a nice, caring person.

    Smoke and Mirrors and beginning of the trap.

    • Unex Skcus

      “Smoke and Mirrors” and every pfennig you’ve got.

  • Espiando

    It’s frankly pathetic that a vacuous bimbo with absolutely no discernible personality, who’s being excessively lionized for the one quality decision she’s made in her life (and that only with the help of Daddy and a team of high-priced lawyers), is beating a true hero like David Love. The people who voted for her should be ashamed of themselves.

    Do Like Magoo: Vote David Love. Or your eternity is at risk.

    • Unex Skcus

      Ouch! Agree with your sentiment “a true hero like David Love” but the rest is a bit… fierce?

  • Unex Skcus

    Wow. Just logged back in, and rather surprised that Katie Holmes leads David Love. True, Katie has had an impact, but celeb stuff is very short lived. David, on the other hand, plugs on relentlessly – without the benefit of ‘being a star’, and getting exposure without saying boo. I wonder how this particular vote would pan out 12 months down the track?

  • dwayners13

    The idea that Hubbard would/could make up a test that evaluates your personality both humorous & frightening. I’m guessing he used his personality & intellect as the standard in which to judge & evaluate others. I would love to see how he answered these questions & what he thought were the ‘right’ answers. I realize the test is ‘unpassable’ as it is intended to find some sort of problem with which Scientology can help you, however I assume his responses were deemed desirable & appropriate. In this respect, if there was ever a test you hoped to fail, this would be it.

    • FistOfXenu

      “I’m guessing he used his personality & intellect as the standard in which to judge & evaluate others.” Sounds about right. I wonder if he used the things he hated about himself but couldn’t control to decide what’s a negative, and the things he liked to fantasize about himself to decide what’s a positive? If that’s the case then yeah, we should all be failing this test – by not taking it.

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  • Jack Harkness

    often i think i am a special agent of billy graham
    i become homicidal when people try to reason with me.

    For some real comedy, check out:
    http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=north-dakota-null-hypothesis-brain-damage-inventory

  • M B

    the fragility and insecurity of a human being is apparent, when a baby lamb stray away from parent he end up with the wolves

    the lattes are tom cruise, travolta, David Miscavage driven by greed and arrogant celebrity status

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  • JeffCigar

    Get lives you losers.