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HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Scientology’s 2013 in review: A summer of delicious scoops!

PZ_Myers_HOMAs 2014 approaches, we’re continuing our look back at the wild year that was. And now, we dive into the crazy month of August.

The month debuted with one of our most popular stories of the year — while everyone seemed to be asking if actress Leah Remini would suffer retaliation for defecting from Scientology, we reported that instead, other church critics were suddenly experiencing a huge increase in harassment. Claire Headley, while out with her children, was photographed by private eyes. Karen de la Carriere found her neighbors being questioned by PIs. And Mike Rinder was being swarmed by church investigators. Scientology seemed to be taking out its exasperation about Remini with a new round of retaliation on its other perceived enemies.

On August 6, another strange story. We learned that Mary Sue Hubbard’s beloved dog T-Zu had finally died, more than a decade after its owner. Why was that important? Because only now, according to Mary Sue’s will, could her multimillion-dollar home in the Los Feliz neighborhood of Los Angeles be put up for sale, with remaining Hubbard children benefiting from the sale. Since then, the sale has been put on hold, at least temporarily.

Two days later, another big scoop: We learned that on Monday, August 5, Leah Remini had filed a missing-person report about Shelly Miscavige with the Los Angeles Police Department. Shelly, the wife of Scientology leader David Miscavige, vanished from the church’s International Base late in 2005 and was only seen in public one time since — at the funeral of her father in the summer of 2007. We learned about the missing-person report Wednesday night, broke the story Thursday morning, and by Thursday afternoon the LAPD was telling reporters that they had made contact with Shelly and closed the case. That quick turnaround led other news outlets to report that only 24 hours had transpired between the time Leah made the report and the LAPD closed the investigation, which wasn’t true. The church itself tried to make it look like Remini was wasting everyone’s time. But here it is, months later, and still Shelly hasn’t been seen in public, and there’s been no explanation of why she can’t attend Scientology events or see her own family.

The next day, we posted one of our favorite stories of the year. Famous science blogger and university biology professor PZ Myers helped us read L. Ron Hubbard’s bizarre book of Scientology evolution, A History of Man. We had a helluva time.

On August 10, our series about Scientology history with Jon Atack brought in a special guest — Gerry Armstrong. We really enjoyed plowing into Gerry’s crazy legal saga.

We continued to hear from ex-Scientologists who were steamed that the church once again, in the wake of Leah Remini’s defection, denied that it practices “disconnection” and rips apart families. We provided two striking examples that disconnection is definitely still going on — one was an audio recording from Sindy Fagen, the other were disconnection letters provided by Cindy Plahuta.

And yet another scoop: We broke the news that Monique Rathbun had filed a harassment lawsuit against Scientology, its leader David Miscavige, and other church entities and agents. That lawsuit, playing out in Comal County, Texas, is rapidly becoming Miscavige’s single biggest headache.

What a great summer night in the city — some of our readers joined us to see The TomKat Project at New York’s Fringe Festival, and met with playwright Brandon Ogborn and his cast.

The next day, another crazy story: Las Vegas police had arrested a couple of “sovereign citizens” for plotting to kidnap and kill a police officer in some kind of bizarre political statement. One of the two defendants, a 67-year-old woman named Devon Newman, also happened to have been the PR director at Scientology’s Las Vegas Celebrity Centre! (Eventually, Newman was released after being sentenced to probation when it became clear that her partner, David Brutsche, was the real mastermind behind the crazy plot.)

And still, August had another surprise: on the 26th, we partnered with Woman’s Day magazine to bring the story of Anette Iren Johansen, the first of the women “auditioned” to be wife material for Tom Cruise to speak out publicly. (Homeland actress Nazanin Boniadi actually got to date Cruise for a few months after being auditioned, but she has yet to give an interview about it.)

Finally, on the last day of the month, we published one of our favorite pieces with Jon Atack. This time, Denise Brennan joined us as we learned more about the history of the bizarre vaults built by Scientology’s most secretive entity, the Church of Spiritual Technology (CST). Denise told us something we’d never heard before, which explained where the ideas of the vaults actually came from!

Wow, was this summer sizzling, or what?

 
Hey, it’s Sunday, so we have a few funnies for you…

Let’s start with an update on the new files project in Sydney. These new folders are going to clear the planet in no time!

 
SydneyFiles

 
It’s great to hear from Houston, where it’s the perfect time to make some postulates!

 
WillyWong

 
Note, in this next flier, that the credit for this statement, in quotation marks, is left out. We’re pretty certain it’s David Miscavige laying out his grand vision — that Golden Age of Tech II plus Ideal Orgs means Scientology will soon take over the world! Hey, what could go wrong?

 
GatIIIdealOrgs01-1

 
The future has arrived in Brighton…

 
brighton

 
Guys, your ship has arrived. Jenna’s ready to audit you to clear!

 
so-local-email-jenna

 
Does this flier have the greatest fine-print disclaimer of all time or what?

 
sydstaff

 
Thanks again to our great tipsters. Just a couple more days left in our year in review before 2014 begins!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 29, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Chee Chalker

    Is it me or are the newer posters (those posting for the first time in the last 6 months) not as friendly as those who have been posting on the bunker for a while (since the VV days for example)?

    • Priscilla

      I would fit into that time frame, Chee Chalker and might not be considered very friendly. I don’t know. I think I’m fairly friendly, but also a little wary. I enjoy some of the humour on this site, but I don’t understand enough about where the sensitivities lie, so I’m careful. I hope that doesn’t come across as unfriendly. I have been warmly welcomed by this group and feel lucky to have found you all.

      • Annee

        Fit into the time frame, as well, also wary. Haven’t been warmly welcomed, though. You must have said something right, Priscilla!

        • Rita Gregory

          Welcome Annee!

          • Annee

            Thank you, Rita! Sorry to read about the squirrels or OSA or whatever the nasty ones who invaded your party the other night.

            • Rita Gregory

              It was a pretty crappy thing but we’re moving on. :)

            • Chee Chalker

              I must have missed this post….what happened….can u link me to your post? Or tell me what day you posted on your OSA invasion?

            • Rita Gregory

              The whole sorry mess is on the 26th thread, which is the only place we are commenting on it. :)

            • Seannie5

              I thought that was ibetty?

            • Seannie5

              ok, got it

            • Rita Gregory

              If you mean really invaded an actual party it wasn’t me.

            • marti

              That was I Betty.

            • Annee

              Well,that made me look like a total idiot. How dumb I am.

            • marti

              You’re not an idiot.

            • marti
        • Priscilla

          If I may say so, welcome Annee!

          • Annee

            Thank you, Priscilla. Now I feel like I “begged” for a welcome, wasn’t the intention.

        • aquaclara

          Sending hellos and a welcome, Annee….it is good to have you here. Are you a never-in, ex, indie or on the fencer?

          I’m a never-in, affected by the cult and a follower (inconsistently) since 1976.

          • Annee

            Thank you, aquaclara. I’m a never-in, the closest connection was with the Free Personality Tests offered at the State Fair. Always brushed them off. I’m just what could be considered a “gossip-follower”. COS doesn’t seem to have much of a presence here in Central Ohio.

            • aquaclara

              Love the State Fair, and so sad that the “free” personality crusher hit you! At least you brushed them off!
              Ohio is not so active, thankfully. But we have seen bits and pieces creep in. In neighboring PA, the CitizensCommission for Human Rights skulked into the school district in Philly, sadly. And the org people keep trying.

              Welcome!

            • Annee

              Much appreciated, aquaclara.

        • SandiCorrena

          Yes welcome! The thing with the bunker is it’s living/breathing-you never know who’s here or when or what you missed while you were gone but it’s a great place with lot of great people. I’ve followed since the VV days and even still there are times I go hide under Bury’s bed; she has a whole suite so there’s lots of room there and there are always tacos. ;)

        • SandiCorrena

          Yes welcome! The thing with the bunker is it’s living/breathing-you never know who’s here or when or what you missed while you were gone but it’s a great place with lot of great people. I’ve followed since the VV days and even still there are times I go hide under Bury’s bed; she has a whole suite so there’s lots of room there and there are always tacos. ;)

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I knew it! You’re the person I ran into there the other night. Tacos under the bed is a bad idea though. Specially if they have beans.

            • SandiCorrena

              Well I didn’t eat the beans but now I know who did! ewwwwww! ;)

        • Cunning Stunt

          Hello Annee! :)

        • Chee Chalker

          I have always found Bunkerites to be respectful, but the last 6months have been a little rough. I think someone hit it on the head when they said some of the newer followers may not know all the players and events and post as if they do. Growing pains perhaps

        • grundoon

          Welcome!

          • Annee

            Thank you, grundoon.

      • aquaclara

        Nice, P. Keep the warm feeling, and roll with some of the bumps.
        Just as Tony is showing us, EVERY month has had huge wins lately.

        Thanks to Tony, who delivers stories every day, and wins all the time.

        This is a great place to be.

        • Priscilla

          thanks!

      • Cunning Stunt

        I also fit into this time frame. I suppose it comes down to what we’re defining “friendly” as. It’s the internet (the very fringes!), so there’s bound to be some bumps along the way since it’s easy to mistake someone’s tone without hearing their verbal inflections or seeing their face. I lurked for a very long time before posting, but like Priscilla, I try to be careful because it’s one thing to lurk and another to interact. You don’t always know whose toes you’ll step on, so a lot of the time a newbie might feel more inclined to keep it brief or not say anything at all. In any case, I’ve found most people here to be lovely. I Love to check in every day and read the comments, despite my not posting much. So a big thank you to all and sundry for keeping the discussion lively!

    • Missionary Kid

      I can’t speak about the newer posters, but I do know that they’ve been roughed up a bit because of the recent spate of trolls and the unmentionable incident.

      You probably have figured out that I am really David Miscavige, and I’m here to enturbulate all of you — NOT.

      • InterestedinCrazy

        I do feel people treat newer folks with suspicion. But it’s understandable. I have felt welcomed but them I’m not wilting lily either!

      • Rita Gregory

        Damn, you’re a good actor!

        • Missionary Kid

          Fooled ya, didn’t I? Just don’t call me any of the 450+ names at http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1084225544 or I’ll have you fair gamed.

          • Rita Gregory

            May I make up a new one? :)

            • Missionary Kid

              Wait a minute, let me pull up my sock puppet, Missionary Kid.

              O.K., go ahead. I can always use a new one.

            • Rita Gregory

              Uhhhhhh…. you put me on the spot and now I can’t think of one! :)

            • Missionary Kid

              Hey, the next one someone comes up with will be the 460th one. Send one to me any time.

            • Baby

              Rita I don’t tell you often enough how much I truly love you.. Ok I am going to bed on that one..haha I sound like a ” 26″

            • Rita Gregory

              Awww! Love you too you baby you!

            • Rita Gregory

              Oh, oh, oh I think I’ve got one. How about Dick On a Box. Comes from that SNL guy and Justin Timberlake song called “Dick In a Box.

            • Missionary Kid

              Done. That’s the 460th one. My sock puppet David will be so proud of you. You can see it at http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1084225544

            • Rita Gregory

              Yay me!

            • Missionary Kid

              Yay you!

            • aquaclara

              Good one!

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              “Wait a minute, let me pull up my sock puppet, Missionary Kid.”

              Ok, now you are killing me! Another great line to build a SNL skit with!

            • Missionary Kid

              Somehow, I just got a wild hare, and did that. I laughed at the thought that I actually got someone to laugh. I hope I brightened your evening.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Oh Mish Kid…

              I just have to see your username (and your non-avatar) to smile and feel warm and safe! As I’ve told you many times, “You have and give “good heart.” (I know that sounds silly but I’m exhausted and I’m sure you know what I mean)

              P.S. Gosh don’t you hate it that we can’t call you by your original initials!!! BTW what’s your new nickname these days? I’ve only started calling you Mish Kid since the “unmentionable incident” and I kind of like it. What about you? What is your preference?

              Or are you like Prince, the musical talent who changed his name to a symbol? Remember? veryoEne stumbled around and mumbled, not knowing how nor what to call him. It became ridiculous for quite a while but I think people eventually settled on “the Artist formally known as Prince.”

            • Missionary Kid

              In a week or so, MK will probably be fine with most everyone. As a matter of fact, it already is O.K. with me. If anyone feels comfortable with calling me MK, go ahead. As the saying goes, call me anything, just don’t call me late for dinner.

              Prince went through all of that because of a lawsuit between him and a record label. It’s behind him now, so he’s back to Prince.

            • Baby

              It’s funny You’ve always been Kid to me.. Once I get stuck on somethin I’m stuck..

              Hahahha ” Baby is Stuck On the Kid.. Help Help..”

            • Missionary Kid

              Auditing can help you with that. ;-)

            • Baby

              OK I agree.. That WAS EXCEPTIONALLY CLEVER KID..

            • Missionary Kid

              You gave me an idea. I’ll have to use my David Miscavige sock puppet on the next OSA troll that pops up. Oh, the fun we can have. Unfortunately, I’m not as clever as OTVIIIisGr8, or some of the other brilliant comedians.

            • Baby

              OMG Yes…hahahahha.. OH you are too silly.. You always make me laugh..

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. Unfortunately for me, people have found things to laugh at when I’m being completely serious.

      • Chee Chalker

        Oh Dave……I find you very attractive……….(that’s what we’re supposed to say when we meet COB, right?)

        • Annee

          Eww, pulling out the tongue-scraper . . .

        • Rita Gregory

          I think I’m gonna hurl!

        • Missionary Kid

          You forgot to lick my shoes!!!

          • Chee Chalker

            sorry…I will make it up to you by licking your dogs toes !

            • Missionary Kid

              Snickersnort. O.K.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        “You probably have figured out that I am really David Miscavige, and I’m here to enturbulate all of you.. ”

        OMG! Mish Kid, that is so f-u-n-n-e-e! That is the best pick up line I’ve heard and laughed at in years. If DM had a sense of humor, his OSA trolls would tweet that to him right this minute so that he could use it every time he meets a new woman… or man…. (or whatever he likes to enturbulate).

        THAT would make a great Sat Night Live skit!

        • Missionary Kid

          The only problem is that most people don’t know who the dark midget is.

          Damn. That wasn’t on my list. I’m going to put it there next time I update it. ;-)

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            OK, now you are getting to be a “show off” (as we use to say in grade school), Coming up with “dark midget” and adding it to your own list!! Hrrummmphh… by the way, Mish Kid, how many of those names on that list of yours did you (and your socks, of course) come up with yourselves… hmmmmm Mr. Kid… I vat 2 no vite n-o-o-o-w…..

            • Missionary Kid

              About 10-15. I couldn’t tell you, though, because I don’t usually attribute nicknames. I do attribute the person who said one of the “Things about…” if they post under their name and not an avatar – with one or two exceptions.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Ah-h-h, you’re funny AND clever!! Good job. :-)

            • Missionary Kid

              *Blush* The way the list developed was more or less organically.

    • Depo from wog world

      I actually fit in that time frame, but I have only posted twice, this will be the 3rd. I lurk mostly, but I was greeted very kindly. As someone who has never been in, I am learning and trying to understand, but I am careful about posting. I like to kinda ease in slowly. Blessing to all :)

    • Jenstnick

      Well I hope I don’t come off as unfriendly. I will say that not all are welcoming of new people so maybe it’s not that we are unfriendly as much as we are reserved.

  • InterestedinCrazy

    Any London-based Bunker people out there?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Tons, why?

      • InterestedinCrazy

        Wanted to see if I could meet one and maybe call to the London Org for a snoop around. My hub forbids me from taking the whole family :)
        The curiosity is too much for me to bear!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Well I could probably hook you up with a couple of dozen or so peeps.

          • InterestedinCrazy

            Excellent…what’s the standard way of communicating here…? I know we’re all very careful about our security.

          • Baby

            WTH are you still doing up Missy May?

        • ThetaBara

          Check out WhyWeProtest.net – there are a bunch of Londoners there.

          • InterestedinCrazy

            Thanks!

  • Annee

    Last night, went to dinner with a friend and we were talking about places we visit online. Mentioned reading Tony Ortega’s site and friend said she was aware of the subject of Scientology (or “Sillyology” as someone called it earlier). Friend said “They believe in some crazy shit, outer-space stuff”. And as I tried to summarize it (being a never-in) realized it would take a lot of time, and a lot of it would make no sense without telling a bunch of side stories. So, I pointed her to this site, with the aside, “Don’t get involved in the comments section without a thick skin.”

    • Rita Gregory

      I lurked for quite awhile before I got brave enough to post! :)

      • Annee

        Me, too, Rita. And I feel there were a couple of insinuations that I was a “sock”.

        • Rita Gregory

          People have troll fever right now. It’ll go away hopefully soon. :)

          • Suzy

            The only prescription is more cowbell!

            • Rita Gregory

              Damn! I can’t find that cow, where did she go? It would be easier if I’d just buy another bell!

            • Annee

              Shoot, I don’t get the cowbell connection, but no matter.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s from a scene on Saturday Night Live, where a character plays the cowbell, which is jarring enough, but someone keeps calling for “more cowbell,” which just makes things worse — and funnier.

              Someone else will explain it better.

            • Cunning Stunt

              I’ve got a FEVER! And the only prescription is more cowbell! (If you’re outside the US, I don’t know if this link will work)

              http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/more-cowbell/n41046/

            • Suzy

              On Saturday Night Live, Christopher Walken plays a record producer. He has Blue Oyster Cult in the studio and they are recording….oh crap I can’t explain. Here is a link

              http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/more-cowbell/n41046/

              If you are a Walken fan like me and/or a BOC cult fan like me, you will love it!

            • Cunning Stunt

              Ooops, jinx!

            • Suzy

              :)

            • sugarplumfairy

              This is 2013.. Google helps he who helps himself.. Search walken cowbell.. It’s that easy..

            • kemist

              It’s a meme.

              I did not even know where it came from before I searched.

              If you want to waste a few hours in an another internet rabbit hole about memes, I recommend knowyourmemes.com. You can search for different expressions you see people write and they trace back where they come from.

            • Annee

              Thanks – so much to learn.

            • Baby

              Hahahaha.. The best.. I can still see his Walken’s face.. He is my favorite actor. A genius.

              and I have read that he is very humble and introverted in real life..

            • Missionary Kid

              The interview with him on Inside the Actor’s Studio was interesting. He was a very down to earth, intelligent, person in the interview.

            • Baby

              Oh I loved that one too Kid. He is just a class Act..

            • Sherbet

              Did you ever see Steve Martin’s “Pennies from Heaven”? Odd, sad little movie, but Walken does an incredible tap dance in it. It’s worth watching just to see it.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I lovvvve Christopher Walken.. friends tease me all the time about my crush on him.. Google the Fatboy Slim video of Weapon of Choice.. Walken is amazing..

            • Baby

              AMAZING! I don’t even care what he is in.. I will watch it just to see him.. I absolutely love him.

              My X and I were contestants on a local version of the Newlywed game.. and we won with..

              ” Who is your wife’s favorite actor?” Duh Christopher Walken got us a night at the Holiday Inn and a cheap bottle of Champagne.

            • Sherbet

              And of course, you toss back the trivia item that he played the suicidal, depressive brother of “Annie Hall,” right?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Seriously? Time to go watch Annie Hall again..

            • Sherbet
            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. Love it..

            • Baby

              hahah Yes.. I really got into Woody Allen Movies at one time.. Then I lost a lot of interest after he and he ” Wife” married.

            • jeff

              My favorite WA movie was Another Woman.

            • Sherbet

              Very cool! The empty hotel reminded me of StuporPowerz Building.

            • sugarplumfairy

              That would explain the flying..

            • Sherbet

              It works! It works!

            • Baby

              Yes I did .. and I don’t know if I told you.. because it is very impressive, but I was asked out on a date by Steve Martin in like 1975-76..

              I was a bartender.. and after work I went back to this area and played ping pong with him for about 2 hrs.

              Well he asked me to go to a concert with him ..AND IT WAS HIS.. (He was traveling around the US. doing concerts)

              Now get this.. I said NO because I had a boyfriend.. ( DUMB, DUMB, DUMB)

              dumb! I could have been the next Mrs. Steve Martin!

              Cause I would have Given It Up back then..

            • Sherbet

              Well, you are one silly baby, Baby! Did he have the long hair back then (circa Sonny & Cher show maybe)?

            • Baby

              Well you saw me jumping out of the cake picture didn’t you..hahahha That’s how I met my hubby today ..that I was apart for 30 years..

              and he kept the picture in his wallet the entire 30 years he was with his wife..

            • Sherbet

              Amazing story.

            • Baby

              I’ll see if I can find the picture.. It’s hilarious ..He ( my hubby) wasn’t married then. We broke up and he married someone else.. Did you see the picture?

              It will make you laugh

            • Sherbet

              No, I didn’t.

            • Baby

              This was in 1973 We dated for a year after this ( He is the one behind me ) and I don’t want to give TMI let’s just say we broke up.. for 30 years and

              found each other 30 years later and both of us realized that we were love of each other’s lives.. But Look How HOT I used to be..!!!

              ( I don’t look like that now..bawwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhaha ) Oh and neither does he..

            • jeff

              I remember the last time you posted that pic….The creepy guy reaching for you….

            • Baby

              Yes.. He was the retired guy .. I wanted Sherbet to see that Steve Martin would have gone out with me..hahahahhahahahahah

              I would never have posted this during prime time.. xo

            • Suzy

              Steve Martin is a very handsome man. Smart plus funny equals attractive to me.

            • Baby

              We just play ping pong.. He didn’t do his shtick .. He wasn’t that funny and he wasn’t really that handsome .. cause I didn’t see his personality.. ( at all..)

              but it is a big regret of mine not to sit backstage at his concert.. that would have been fun.

            • Missionary Kid

              I have a friend who went to lunch with, among other people, were Steve and Rob Reiner. He said that Steve sat there, not saying a thing, like a bump on a log, while Rob was just sheer fun, joking and laughing.

              Earlier this year, I read Steve’s autobiography and realized why he was like that. He said that growing up, nobody talked at the table when they were eating. I sent the book to my friend, because I felt it explained Steve’s behavior.

            • Baby

              Well, there ya go.. Kid.. Yeah.. He was kind of Dull. I went back to hang with my friend

              ( I think.. ??) too long ago.. and it was one of those places with a Putt Putt golf course.. Inside..and a pool, hot tub.. and bar.. and Ping Pong..

              So I was just sitting there having a drink and to break the ice he asked if I would like to play ping pong.. I wasn’t that good.. but thought it would be fun..

              But had I NOT have been half tipsy and a lot of fun.. I would NOT have had fun..hahaha

            • Missionary Kid

              Steve is, for all accounts, somewhat shy in person around strangers. I think that once people get to know him, he is much more open. Obviously, from his writing, work, and activities, he is a brilliant person. He also has some very staunch friends. He is one of those people who has created a stage persona. We make the mistake of expecting him to be that way in person.

              Supposedly, he has a world class art collection, bought when the artists were unknown, and just because he liked a piece. Instead of drinking and partying when he was on the road, he educated himself about art and enjoyed it instead of partying.

              You’re obviously with the right person.

            • Baby

              OH no.. The guy I was with at the time.. Was a BAD Boy..( 76)

              and yes I was a party ier ( don’t know how to spell partyier )

              The guy I’m with today is Mr. Darcey / Steve Martin..

              The guy I broke up with in 74.. The healthier my mind became the more I was attracted to NICE men.. NOT BAD Boys..

              So the 28 yr old me Steve Martin Dull

              The 66 yr old me.. Steve Martin Rich..errrrrrrr Intelligent..

            • Missionary Kid

              Sometimes, one just has to grow up to find the right person.

            • Espiando

              He also did a lot of his own dancing in the video for Fatboy Slim’s “Weapon Of Choice”. Incredibly talented gentleman.

            • Missionary Kid

              Walken was also on the 200th episode. That was a great interview, too.

          • Seannie5

            I’ve been accused of being OSA, along with Charlotte, a while back. I thought it was hilarious!

            I think I just have a very thick skin because some of the fandoms I’ve been involved with have HARDCORE assholes in them. This blog has been a walk in the park compared to what I have seen. I think I would still prefer to hang out with the catfish than some of the scum I have encountered. That’s not me endorsing her in any way, it’s a case of shit V diarrhoea and at least MK might keep me entertained with her various personas!

            • Annee

              This gave me a laugh, so thank you, Seannie5: “That’s not me endorsing her in any way, it’s a case of shit V diarrhoea and at least MK might keep me entertained with her various personas!”
              I find it intriguing to keep an eye out for the pirahnas, er, personas.

            • Rita Gregory

              Careful, we are breaking the “we only speak of her on the 26th thread rule. Captain Howdy will get us if we don’t stop.

            • Annee

              If Captain Howdy is Mr. Ortega, fine, I will abide. But otherwise, who put anyone else in charge here?

            • Rita Gregory

              We all agreed to only talk about it on that thread, so as not to derail this one. We have elected Captain Howdy enforcer.

            • Captain Howdy

              It was merely a suggestion and pretty much of a joke to begin with anyway.

              If people want to waste their time talking about trolls and crying over split milk..so be it.

              I look out for #1 and i suggest everyone do the same and everything will be just fine. Don’t be giving your money away to strangers and stop trying to be everybody’s friend and meet them IRL.

              It’s 2013 and if you don’t know how to handle trolls by now you probably shouldn’t be on the internet anyway..

              This wasn’t addressed at you Rita.

            • joan nieman

              Well said Captain!

            • grundoon

              Cap’s not in charge. We are courteously honoring the request of some nice folks who are trying to move on from the upset. Cap expressed this in his inimitable curmudgeonly style, which has drawn the cooperation of most of us. You’re kindly invited to join in the group hug.

            • Baby

              Annee.. We pretty much agree that any mention of it would go on Dec 26th thread.

              We pretty much self moderate ourselves over here. So when one of us make a suggestion or a request.. we honor it.

              We have pretty much done that and it has worked for us.

            • Baby

              I have to add..

              I said ” Pretty much ” in all 3 sentences..

            • Sherbet

              Yes, you did, pretty much. :-D

            • Baby

              hahahah and I didn’t even know I Ever said that or Wrote it..

              UGH..

            • SandiCorrena

              It was sort of a silent agreement/consensus; which is actually pretty beautiful when you think about it given all the commenters there are here.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I’d vote for cap’n if he would consider running for HMFIC..

            • Sherbet

              Nurse Sugarplum, good idea.

            • Rita Gregory

              We are breaking the we only speak of her on the 26th thread rule. Captain Howdy will get us if we don’t stop.

            • ozzybud420

              that happened to me on rinders blog when i was asking people who used to be in some questions but i didn’t catch it in enough time to reply. went back few days later couldn’t reply or comment on the post. it was some funny shit tho. :) being a never ever in never would in a million years fuck no! :) Proud WOG!

      • Sandy

        I do NOT have thick skin. But, I have commented here & at the Rodeo (I don’t remember if I actually posted at the VV or just lurked)…

        I has gotten a little prickly here for me, so I think I will just hang back some more… No big deal .

        • Rita Gregory

          My skin is only thick if I’m properly medicated. If not, I’d cry like a baby! :)

          • Sandy

            miss Rita. My keyboard is acting crazy – over & out

            • Rita Gregory

              Night, sleep well.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Please don’t hang back some more. You emerged and it is a good thing. Please post your thoughts.
          Thank you,
          Max Spaceman

        • woodrose

          Sounds like a plan for me, as well. Lurkers never get their feelings hurt.

          I’m stunned at the way riotgrrrl was drummed out of here. Not that she was my favorite poster or anything, but she was no more obnoxious or off-topic than some others. She’s deleted her ID apparently, and her posts show up as from Guest. Which I find interesting, since MK has not taken that step of deleting her ID– her posts still show up with her fish avatar all over the board. Wonder why riotgrrrl took that step, but MK did not, considering they are supposed to be the same person and all.

          I’m not convinced riotgrrrl = MK, and I fear another victim was really hurt as collateral damage to the catfish. Prickly indeed.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I was not convinced, either. I am sorry to hear that she felt the need to leave. She did post some questionable, immature comments and images. But no one proved that she was not who she claimed to be.

            • stillgrace2

              No. See my answer to woodrose.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Well, I have no reason to doubt you and your record of sniffing this out. What I saw wasn’t enough, but I’ll trust you when you say there was more held back. I thought riotgrrrl was annoying, anyways. I just object because I don’t want to see this place when anyone and everyone is being held to the flame.

            • stillgrace2

              Well, she left, that’s what counts. Exposing someone’s dirty laundry is certainly a last resort and I’m very, very glad it didn’t come to that. I don’t think most posters here realize how sick and vicious the person behind all this really is. It’s for the best, I guess. I wish I didn’t know.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I was one of the few who caught your post on the 21st. I spent like 2 hours poring through her Disqus. I had found her to be shady before this, but did not see it for what it was until after you mentioned it. I didn’t want to post, because I was sure there was back channel activity and certain people were silent for good reasons.

              But you did everyone a tremendous favor, sparing the board of whatever was to come next. So I trust your judgement on this issue, and I thank you. If you would continue to spot frauds before they begin, that would be great. But others are spreading paranoia with unfounded accusations. I just hope it settles down after New Years.

              I also feel like I have broken some sort of law. I must go hide.

            • stillgrace2

              I’m heading for bed, but I want to tell you that Kitz is the real heroine. She is the one that ultimately prevented the bigger flap. Things will settle down here. I wish to God I didn’t notice things that don’t add up. I don’t want to be paranoid of new posters, and I sure as hell don’t want the job of outing socks. I like this community. There is only one comforting fact in all this: posters that want to fuck with us will always eventually expose themselves. It is in their nature. I hope you read the treatise that was posted somewhere a few hours ago about the characteristics of posters. I’m sure it will be re-posted. It was excellent.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I have an appreciation for Kitz and I believe I told her so. I did see that post, but I will re-read it to see if any of it applies to my posting habits.

              Goodnight Grace.

            • grundoon

              “I also feel like I have broken some sort of law. I must go hide.”

              You haven’t broken anything and there is no need to go hide. I, for one, think you’ve made some good comments and hope you’ll stick around.

            • Baby

              Not true 3..

          • stillgrace2

            No. There was ample evidence right here in her history (if anyone wanted to invest the time) and irrefutable evidence that was held back to let her save face. If she had stuck around, it would have been revealed. She knew the gig was up. Absolutely no victimization here. I will stake whatever reputation I have on those facts.
            .

            • Baby

              I agree Grace.. I just spent lots and lots of time on 26th.. yep.. I agree..

            • woodrose

              I respect your willingness to stand by your actions.

              In my post above, and my post here: http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/28/scientologys-2013-in-review-july-fireworks-courtesy-of-an-actress-from-brooklyn/#comment-1179650554 I’ve outlined my evidence why I’m skeptical that MK and rg are the same person.

              reprinted here: As a newbie never-in who has made about 90 posts over the last three months, there are certain people who have repeatedly given me upvotes (thank you!) and been willing to reply to my posts (thank you!). It has helped me to feel welcome, and I appreciate it.

              One of the people who has given me upvotes and has replied to one of my posts with a silly picture is riotgrrrl. I just spent a few minutes reviewing about half my posts (the ones I remember garnering upvotes) and found that she gave me 4 upvotes.

              Monkeyknickers never gave me a single upvote, I just confirmed. She never responded to any of my posts, I’m quite certain.

              If these 2 posters are one individual, they have kept their 2 personalities separate enough that they have treated me completely differently. I’m personally skeptical of the accusation.
              end quote

              What is the nature of your irrefutable evidence? I’ve seen that MK used the phrase ‘riot grrl’ in a post. If the rest of your evidence is of a similar nature, it wouldn’t add up to irrefutable as far as I’m concerned. Irrefutable would be IP addresses.( Hello, webmaster?)

              Why be so reticent and cryptic about your evidence? It’s all posts to a public message board, right?

              If I’d been mocked, called a sockpuppet, and harshly rebuked for posting a dumb picture as she was, I would pack up my marbles and go home. The fact that she’s now deleted her ID, as MK has Not, could easily be the actions of a wounded person unconnected to MK, imho.

            • stillgrace2

              I’m going to bed now.

            • ThetaBara

              Whether or not they are the same person is immaterial. She hardly posted anything about scientology, it was mostly stuff about herself and her life. This isn’t facebook. Excessive derailing is unhelpful.

            • woodrose

              I don’t wish to fight about this, I know the people who ran her off did so with good intentions.

              If riotgrrrl is not MK, but instead a mentally and emotionally troubled woman who made some obnoxious and ill-advised posts, I hope she has real life support from her family to help mend her feelings.

            • ThetaBara

              I hope so too. That is not the purpose of this space. One of the things she said (more than once) was “I’m always trying to mindfuck people.” Not what we need here. We have a focus. We’re not here for therapy for troubled people. There are other spaces for that. Whoever it was was trying to get attention and get a rise out of people. So they just were not a good fit. I did not try to run her off (I don’t think I ever interacted with her directly) but she was someone I was keeping an eye on as she seemed like a provocateur with very little interest in scientology, and more interest in telling us who she was, establishing a character, and distracting.

            • ParticleMom

              I started to wonder after she posted that she admired the fish AFTER the whole thing was exposed. I actually responded and then thought it over. (I know, should have done it in reverse). There is no doubt in my mind.

            • grundoon

              I went through her posts of the 26th and some others, and saw enough to feel reasonably sure that riotgrrrl wasn’t our bete noire under another name. As to her motivations or her contributions to the site, bad or good, I don’t know one way or the other.

              Your reputation is good with me, but I think we’ve been learning that it is better to ask for checkable supporting evidence and not rely too much on reputation alone.

              If your evidence that riotgrrrl was bete noire’s sockpuppet is irrefutable (which to me seems unlikely), I concede it should be dropped into the memory hole along with bete noire herself – who no longer has face to be saved. If the evidence is of any other kind of wrongness, I’m not comfortable with impeaching someone on the basis of secret evidence.

              When a poster is harmful to the site and needs to be banned, that should be Tony’s decision since it is his site. We’re all here as Tony’s guests. When people form a vigilante mob to drive one of Tony’s guests away, I think that goes beyond what is expected of us as community members, and calls into question the nature of the community.

          • grundoon

            ok I’ll repeat my rant.

            It’s a sad spectacle to see a mindless mob kicking someone around on the basis of approximately 0 evidence. One person is ready to hang riotgrrl for her avatar pic. Farts were mentioned by our bete noire and also by riot grrrl, therefore they are the same person – thus did one junior G-man deduce. After riot grrrl had been posting here for awhile, bete noire used the phrase “riot grrrl” in a comment: ah hah! a revealing slip! bete noire is riot grrrl, inferred an aspiring inquisitor. We’ve given bete noire a psychiatric diagnosis; and riot grrrl described herself as bipolar; that clinches it – they are one and the same! Here come our pit bulls who latch on and can’t let go, no matter whether the prey is a wrongdoer or a wrong target. Scenting blood, the mob demands photos, IP address logs, real names and addresses, groveling apologies. A week ago the same people couldn’t spot a grifter; today they spot grifters everywhere. Ready, fire, aim is the order of the day. Bleh.

            Ready for the flames.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I am betting that hostilities and paranoia settle down in January. Whatever has happened here recently and the natural reactions to it were amplified by the stress that comes with the Holiday Season. It will be okay.

      • Seannie5

        I have to say, I never had a fear of posting on this site, or any site for that matter. I see a lot of people say that they need to work up the nerve to start. I just burst on and asked loads of questions about sci that were always answered promptly. I didn’t know a whole group of you came from the Village Voice.

        • Annee

          Was a reader/lurker of TO long before The Bunker was created.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Man, I loved the ‘Runnin’ Scared’ V V stuff. Tony O really rocked the house there.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’m a loudmouth, came here and got smacked (deservedly so) for something I said. I learned, then tried to contribute.

        • Annee

          Missionary Kid, I don’t know what your (original smacked-down) comment was (but I have seen you mention it a few times, AND apologize for it) and it doesn’t matter, but also saw you become a valuable commenter here.

          • Missionary Kid

            There is no need to apologize. I deserved it.

            Basically, as a young teenager, I’d gone to a Dianetics meeting with my oldest sister at science fiction writer A. E. van Vogt’s house in Hollywood. (That was the late 50s). I went, hoping to meet a real science fiction writer, but didn’t. Eventually, my sister left Dianetics.

            A couple of years ago, I looked him up on Wikipedia, and the entry at the time said that he’d been fair gamed for several years so it caused him hardship. Subsequently, the entry was changed and that part was edited out.

            I was convinced that he had been fair gamed, and somehow someone had gotten Wikipedia to edit out the fair game reference, but the old timers, as well as Tony, and (as I remember it) John Atak, who had interviewed van Vogt said I was wrong. I was a jerk about it because I wouldn’t let it go.

            My opinion now is that I trust John Atak more than any Wikipedia article that has been corrected. I deserved to get smacked, because there are people in the bunker who know a tremendous amount about Co$, and I wasn’t “listening.”

            • SandiCorrena

              It speaks very well of you that you could hear and learn, that’s a big deal! xo

            • Missionary Kid

              Thank you. That was nice of you to say. My proof that I’m not a troll is that I have apologized when I have been wrong. Oops. Did I say that? ;-)

              You’ll see me repeat this often enough if you read what I’ve written. “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and I’m real dangerous.”

        • Qbird

          Me too Kid. For some folks -most?- constructive criticism can be
          very hard to take. For me, I considered
          it. I understood my error (that I needed
          to do more of my own research before commenting) and then I attempt to
          correct it. The lesson does not have to
          be harsh and in fact it wasn’t. Just two strangers talking to one another. I chose
          not to take the admonishment to heart. I
          choose instead to keep it in mind and go on. The conversation goes on.

          • Missionary Kid

            I was talking to someone a while ago, and we had very different opinions on something. He gave his reasoning, and I gave mine. We didn’t agree. We moved on and discussed other things. When I got up to leave, he said that he hoped I wasn’t offended.

            I smiled and said no. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone’s got one. We just disagree on the subject, and that’s fine.

            In the time I’ve been here, only 3 people have been banned. None of them for being an OSA sock puppet. I believe nobody has been banned for holding an opinion different than Tony’s or the people here. It’s been, basically for a lack of decorum or deceit.

            Just because someone disagrees with me, that doesn’t mean they’re a bad person. It means they disagree.

    • Rita Gregory

      I lurked for quite awhile before I got brave enough to post! :)

    • Sandy

      Didn’t used to be that way …

    • Seannie5

      I find I have that problem too. I try to explain it and it just gets more and more complicated to try and wrap up in a few minutes! There is ALWAYS a 100% consensus that scientology is weird and a joke before I even try and explain the ins and outs though. People just don’t tend to know about the sea org and how much money it costs. I think disconnection is more tot he forefront due to various stories of Nicole Kidman not seeing her kids, and now Leah.

      • Rita Gregory

        There is such a learning curve. I don’t think a lot of people have the time or interest. :(

        • Seannie5

          I also think it’s a bit unbelievable for the average person. Try explain The Hole to the average person without any background knowledge of scientology and it sounds ridiculous. It’s still hard for me to get my head around it and my knowledge of the cult has grown massively in recent months.

          • Jon Hendry

            I think most people hear about the loony bits, and stop. Either they toggle the “bozo bit” on Scientology and don’t feel they need to know any more, or they go for the “All religions have loony bits”, and don’t feel they need to know any more.

            Unfortunately they don’t hear about the important part, which isn’t the loony mythology, but how it translates into harmful policies that hurt participants.

          • ThetaBara

            Don’t try to explain the whole thing at once. Dole it out bit by bit or you will sound like the crazy one. ;-) Say a little bit at a time, answer questions but don’t get super detailed.

      • Suzy

        My friends have laughed at my Sci-watching for years. My husband tolerates it and tries to show an interest. I didn’t start searching on the internet until about 11 years ago when I went to this new chiropractor and he said I looked like Kelly Preston. I didn’t know who that was, so I looked it up and saw she was a Scientologist, then because I had a brief but weird brush with Sci years ago I followed the trail of thetan crumbs down the rabbit hole.
        PS the chiropractor turned out to be really weird, and I read that many chiropractors are into Scammytology.

        • Annee

          Suzy, sounds like you’ve been following your own path and instincts for a while – listen to your gut. Took my daughter to a chiro several times, he helped her somewhat, but thankfully, no weirdness there.

          • Suzy

            I have a great Chiro now, but the Kelly Preston guy’s staff kept pressing and pressing for appointments. Me: I can’t make it Wednesday. Them: OK see you Wednesday

            • grundoon

              Sounds clammy alright.

        • Straight Diet of Kerbango

          I don’t want to get into a long discussion about the merits (or lack thereof) of chiropractic, but here are a few pointers as it is a minefield out in chiropractic land:

          Run away if they promote Homeopathy, magnets, “Muscle Testing” or any other nonsense that is not conventional musculoskeletal treatment.

          Run away if it sounds like they are reading off a script about wide-ranging benefits like curing allergies, asthma or GI conditions.

          Run away if they claim they can reverse scoliosis. They can’t.

          Run away if they have supplements for sale in the clinic. It is unethical for physicians to sell medications from the office. It is even more unethical for chiropractors as they have no significant training in medicine or pharmacology.

          Run away if they try to sell you a large course of treatment sessions upfront. Spinal manipulation should be a time limited intervention.

          When you consider the risks vs. benefits of treatment, keep in mind that cervical manipulation DOES put you at an elevated risk for vertebral dissection and stroke.

          Look for chiropractors who are part of a reputable physician-led musculoskeletal clinic and stick to things musculoskeletal.

          Consider osteopathic physicians that specialize or have an interest in musculoskeletal medicine. They have gone through medical school (surgery, delivering babies, internal medicine, neurology, etc.) and typically a family medicine, physical medicine and rehab, or neuromuscular medicine residency.

          It is not surprising that many chiropractors are into SCN as the majority of chiropractic colleges have a culture that is antagonist of science and medicine. The dentists don’t have much of an excuse except that they don’t have mental health exposure.

          • Sherbet

            But valuable. Thanks, Straight Diet.

          • kemist

            Most common complication of cervical manipulation by far is cervical sprain.

            That is not benign, trust me. It does sometimes result in crippling chronic pain for the rest of your life.

            Had a few cases like that among the files I processes when I worked in disability insurance. One had pain so severe he ended up with a morphin pump after treatening to take his own life.

            • Straight Diet of Kerbango

              I’m not surprised. A lot of sloppy, aggressive manipulators out there, who don’t bother to localize the joint well. I saw two vertebral dissections likely attributed to manipulation as an intern- catastrophic outcomes.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            What if you cannot run away from the Chiropractor because you have thrown your back out?

            • Straight Diet of Kerbango

              Get an adjustment just that one visit and then run.

          • Baby

            but informative Kerbango.. I agree..

          • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

            Alan Alda helps tell the story: http://youtu.be/tQb8FK2PM6Y
            SDK, I bet you already read sciencebasedmedicine.org, which is a great resource for all types of such quackery.

  • Annee

    Last night, went to dinner with a friend and we were talking about places we visit online. Mentioned reading Tony Ortega’s site and friend said she was aware of the subject of Scientology (or “Sillyology” as someone called it earlier). Friend said “They believe in some crazy shit, outer-space stuff”. And as I tried to summarize it (being a never-in) realized it would take a lot of time, and a lot of it would make no sense without telling a bunch of side stories. So, I pointed her to this site, with the aside, “Don’t get involved in the comments section without a thick skin.”

  • Great White Clam

    $cilons;

    “Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release form before you can receive its “spiritual assistance.” This assistance might involve holding you against your will for an indefinite period, isolating you from friends and family, and denying you access to appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed for this treatment – assuming you survive it. If not, the release form absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and death.

    Welcome to the Church of Scientology.”

    -Dr. Dave Touretzky
    -Peter Alexander

  • Baby

    Did I miss something.. Was Slappy at the latest Shin Dig?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      News from the last shindig has been very quite. I expect something from TO or Mike Rinder soon.

      • Baby

        Yes Hubs.. I have been snooping around and can’t find a thing. You are up late..

    • Robert Eckert

      I haven’t heard a thing, and I have a bet outstanding at JohnP’s on whether he would show up (I said no; Bare Faced Messiah bet yes).

      • Baby

        I saw your bet Robert.. You and I think alike on where he is.. He hasn’t gotten back yet from his last trip. Taiwan..

        • Robert Eckert

          I don’t think he’s still in Taiwan but won’t believe he is back in the US until there is a confirmed sighting; he might hole up in Colombia where he has powerful friends. JohnP said long ago he has a good lead on where DM’s emergency hidey-hole might be, but he stayed mum about any details.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            There is no truth in the rumor that it is a Chuck E. Cheese’s, where he would undoubtedly disappear in plain sight. But he does love skee-ball and could spend hours in a ball pit.

            • Jon Hendry

              “could spend hours in a ball pit.”

              Dragging small children under and beating them up, no doubt.

          • Baby

            Yes I agree.. I just told Jon above you .. that I meant to say that he hasn’t been back to US since Taiwan..

            Hmmm.. it will be interesting..especially as it gets closer to trial date.

        • Jon Hendry

          I’d think he’d hit some other places on that side of the planet before returning. Australia, most likely, if only to slap some people for poor numbers.

          • Baby

            You know Jon.. I spoke too soon about where Robert and I think he is.. What I meant to say is that he hasn’t been back to US since Taiwan..

            • Jon Hendry

              Right, i was agreeing, just suggesting where he might be.

            • Baby

              Maybe he was a tiny elf for Santa at the North Pole.. hahaha..

              Welcome Jon. We have been so busy and fragmented in the Bunker.. Glad to have you here..

  • ozzybud420
  • MaxSpaceman

    L Ron Hubbard. Gaining control of new members: an example. $cientology Inc.
    Chapter 17 – The Secret Scientology Sessions – By Paulette Cooper, The Scandal of $cientology

    “Scientology is perhaps a religion, is probably a philosophy, is definitely a business, is potentially a political force, and is also a form of therapy, or as they call it now, pastoral counseling. Most people do not realize this, since the Scientologists draw attention only to the idea that they are a religion and a philosophy. Thus, they have been able to keep the public in the dark about what is happening — and they have also been largely able to avoid public outcry

    “Many Scientology exercises consist of hours and hours of repetitive commands, not only like the above, but like the following. The auditor says to the preclear:

    “Do you see that book?
    – Walk over to it.
    – Pick it up.
    – Not know something about its color.
    – Not know something about its temperature.
    – Not know something about its weight.
    – Do you see that bottle?
    – Walk over to it.
    – Pick it up.
    – Not know something about its color.
    – Not know something about its temperature.
    – Not know something about its weight.
    – Do you see that book? Etc.{26}

    “Hubbard said the above should be done “without … lag, without protest, without apathy, but only cheerfulness, each time seeing the items newly.”{27} He also said it was better to run this consecutively for several hours, rather than run it a short time for several days. One preclear was run for nine hours on the above without any breaks.”

    • Sarah James

      I would love to see a tape of TC doing this $hit. H mm I bet David Miscavige has a few hundred.
      My fav has always been “Do birds fly? Do fish swim? No wait. I like the ashtray the best. I just can’t make up my mind:(

  • Great White Clam
    • jeff

      Yes. Very poorly acted.

      • Baby

        Hahah Well Jeeze it’s no Casablanca but the contents are good Jeff.. I love documentaries.. so it’s more like that to me.

        • jeff

          Well, I really like The Profit, which even though it’s not perfect, does a great job of recreating the whole LRH story, even though some of it (the Movie Star) was not. This one, however, does show more of the everyday experience of a modern day Scilon.

      • Great White Clam

        It was done in 5 days on a shoestrang. Check out what WBM said about the director and this film

        • jeff

          WBM? Oh, nevermind, Mark Bunker.

    • Cece

      Thank you for posting Mark. I’ve seen this before but it was before July ’13 when 2 of my children disconnected from me. I reflect now what it must have been for my dad when I was 22 and joined this church. I truly had no idea. The switchboard refused calls from him. I never knew. I phoned him now and then and the church ‘let’ me but calls to Alaska back then were some 3$ for the 1st min. When pay is 18.90$ a week (1978) I didn’t call much. He said call collect but I was too stubborn to do that. It would have been wonderful to have been able to get calls in from my family. My father is gone now but my brother who was with him at the time has told me the stories from 35 years ago.
      OMG what I didn’t know going on behind (covertly) by my ‘church’. First my Dad tried to ‘get me out’ so this flagged him as an ‘SP’ and no calls were allowed in to me. I did not know this until these 35 years later. He never came up in my universe as an ‘SP’ so I could call him when ever I wanted. My father was special and as much as he probably wanted to – he never tried to influence my life. In 1983 as he was dying of C I visited him in a Seattle hospital. I told him I could come spend the last 3 months with him. He only said to me “Your work is important – continue.” He also at that time 1st told me he had read Dianetics prior to my birth.
      So now – here I have been upset about my 2 children disconnecting just for me posting a few times on Marty’s blog.
      Well – I’m not ‘upset’ any more. I’m getting ready for war! This cult needs to be dissected (for those that need to know details) and the USA government needs to retract the tax exempt. A LOT of headway has been made in that reporters can write and publish without worry their dog has been poisoned in the meantime.
      But I would not let down and stay on alert. This cult has been more covert then we may ever know.
      Thank you for the post.
      Cece
      X for 2 years after 37 years of blind following/betrayal

      • Cece

        I guess it wasn’t to Mark – to GWC

      • Qbird

        Cece – my heart goes out to you. Thank you for sharing your life’s experience here. I am glad you are here.

  • media_lush

    small selection from my old files

    • Jon Hendry

      Looks like a c-cup case of exopthalmia.

  • Robert Eckert

    Eric Ericson (Tea Party blogger, major influence in his part of the Internet) was bent-out-of-shape about Kwanzaa (not realizing how few people even remember that that was a thing, once, decades ago), and the most insulting thing he can think to call it is “the Scientology of holidays”

    http://www.redstate.com/2013/12/27/kwanzaa-the-scientology-of-holidays/

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Redstate.com is the worst. Apparently you need to create a new Disqus account to comment, and there is a 24 hour waiting period? I want to tell that guy how foolish he sounds right now, not tomorrow.

      • Robert Eckert

        Forget it: the mods also ban you quickly if you post entheta there. RedState is a tightly sealed bubble-think. I look at it often to know what that side is up to.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Figures. I was going to call him on bringing up Kwanzaa at all and the lack of statistics. It would be interesting to see how many people actually celebrate it, represented as a percentage of the population. I always thought of it as a pop culture joke.

          • Robert Eckert

            It is good that I cannot post there. His complaint that the Obama Post Office only sells Kwanzaa stamps and not a single Christmas-themed stamp was so WTF that I would have gone on a tirade.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I think Kwanzaa stamps would be really popular as a gag to put on a Christmas mailings. Kwanzaa was a staple of one of my favorite uncle’s roster of jokes. One year, he’d greet someone, wish them a Merry Christmas and then quickly apologize in case they celebrate Kwanzaa instead. The next year, he bought a whole stack of Kwanzaa cards and sent them out. He’s over the joke now, but it was hilarious while it lasted.

            • Missionary Kid

              What did he do with Festivus?

    • Zana

      LOL!!! Still laughing. :-)))))

  • MaxSpaceman

    The scripture of $cientology Inc. By L. Ron Hubbard. From The History of Man

    In theological study, upon discovery of this scripture below, I often wondered why the ecclesiastical leader of the Chirch of $cientology, the most High C o B of R T C and Captin of the Sea Organization, David Miscavige, did not use the ‘theta-ness’ below to assist his condition, that of being vertically challenged. L Ron Hubbard wrote:

    “A theta being with its alertness restored is capable of remoulding the human body within its field, taking off
    weight here, restoring it there, changing appearances and even height
    . The body can also be altered by auditing cells or the GE. All in all, bodies are very easy to handle where their condition is concerned. The question is rather, are they practical? The theta being can evidently manufacture bodies or a reasonable facsimile thereof which, while they do not labour, neither do they have to be fed.

    “But this matter has been under investigation for a year and a half as witness “THETA CLEAR” on the SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL tone-scale chart which I drew in January 1951. It states that the capabilities of a theta clear were unknown. Now they are not so unknown and while there is much to learn about them still, much can be stated concerning them as clear fact. Back of these statements is a two year public record of making statements which, under grueling investigation by others, turn out to be exactly what they were said to be.”

    • Baby

      OMG..hahaha Max that is good. I don’t know if I have read or heard that before.. I am on Hubs brain overload.. damn ..

      • Ardent

        Well, Kirstie? Whaddya say?

        • Baby

          Why you call me Kirstie Columbo? ugh

          • InterestedinCrazy

            I think what they me ant was…Kirstie should use her superpowers to lose weight:

            “A theta being with its alertness restored is capable of remoulding the human body within its field, taking off weight here,..”

            from above quote

            • Baby

              hahahahahaha Interested.. You are right..Thanks..

              I thought Columbo thought I was Krusty..hahah Talk about Paranoia around this joint lately!

    • grundoon

      Back of these statements is a two year public record of making statements which, under grueling investigation by others, turn out to be exactly what they were said to be: utter crap.

  • Jon Hendry

    Someone should shoop the Brighton flyer so they’re playing D&D and holding D&D books, 20-sided dice on the tables.

  • DodoTheLaser
    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Dodo, what a great link!

      I think your avatar should be added to the list of photos showing people “choosing compassion over violence.” These photos truly reflect your own heart and spirit as is it displayed here day after day in the Bunker. Thank you.

      I hope 2014 is your Best Year Ever!

      Cheers,
      Cars

  • DodoTheLaser

    Rest In Peace victims in Volgograd.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Today was another atack. Circa 15 victims. Rest in Peace

      • DodoTheLaser

        I know. Just so very sad. All because of some sick people and a mix of politics and religion.

        • InterestedinCrazy

          RIP victimes. Such senseless violence. My condolences.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Ashtar Command – Deadman’s Gun (Red Dead Redemption)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4doJ2TQ6oVs

    • Qbird

      pretty song. tks Dodo.

  • SignsOfDuress

    Spanish Power FSM Tour yesterday….

    • Sidney18511

      What is the story behind this pic?

      • SignsOfDuress

        FSM’s from Spain tour Flag yesterday.

        • InterestedinCrazy

          Is that a cauldron?

          • Missionary Kid

            Kinda looks like it, doesn’t it?

    • Mark

      I assume they left the other three Spanish members at home to keep an eye on the org? Dr. Who should sue DM for copyright infringement – that room is an IKEA-style rip-off of the Tardis control-panel!

    • DodoTheLaser

      Happily confused Spaniards visiting one of the room of the world dominating Super Power,
      a.k.a. – the Bond villains training facilities. The cheering group surrounded the Clear Planet Cauldron,
      while postulating getting back to their plane unencumbered by IAS regges.

    • Nigel8

      Permanent Narconon and Criminon displays in the main lobby of the Scientology Mecca!

      (Oh, and the Criminon display claims a 2% recidivism rate.)

    • grundoon

      Downvoter please look closely: this poster is SignsOfDuress, not the troll SignsOfSuccess.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Thank you for that photo! It is important for us to see. Useful data for sure.

      Welcome SignsofDuress! People hear call me – Cars. I think in all the pre and post holiday madness, I didn’t see your initial post(s) and did not get a chance to introduce myself nor welcome you to the Bunker!