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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Mary Sue Hubbard’s Last Will Fulfilled: Her Dog Bereft of Life, It’s Time to Sell Her House!

2345Chislehurst

 
We have a tale that our Los Angeles readers in particular are going to find fascinating. It involves Scientology, a weird final will, an extremely long-lived pooch, and expensive real estate!

One of the many odd little stories involving Scientology has to do with a very fancy house at 2345 Chislehurst Drive in the Los Feliz neighborhood of Los Angeles. Close to Griffith Park, the finely-appointed estate, on 0.31 acres, was the place where Mary Sue Hubbard, the third and final wife of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, lived out her last days.

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Mary Sue’s story is a fascinating one. Recently portrayed as Peggy Dodd by actress Amy Adams in Paul Thomas Anderson’s film The Master, Mary Sue Whipp was a fiery redhead who was a no-nonsense administrator and helped Hubbard run his worldwide empire after marrying him in 1952. They ran Scientology from England after 1959 and then from the helm of the yacht Apollo from 1966 to 1975. After that, they moved around in the US until a 1977 FBI raid ensnared Mary Sue in a subsequent criminal prosecution.

In 1980, to make sure he wasn’t pulled into the prosecution himself, Hubbard went into seclusion while Mary Sue faced the music. She was one of 11 Scientology executives who were convicted and faced prison sentences. In a hotel room in July 1981, she was told by a wired up David Miscavige and Bill Franks (with John Brousseau in a van nearby listening in) that she was being sacrificed for the good of Hubbard and Scientology.

Sentenced to five years in prison, Mary Sue served a year, from 1983 to 1984. She then returned to participating in Scientology to a certain extent. Her husband died in seclusion in 1986, and Mary Sue developed breast cancer in 1995 which became metastatic in 1998. She died on November 25, 2002. She was 71.

She had been living at 2345 Chislehurst for years. Lawrence Wright, in his book Going Clear, says she was given the house by the church after her prison stay. After Mary Sue’s death, according to public records the house was passed to her children Diana, Suzette, and Arthur in a family trust, which was administered by a man named Neville Potter.

Besides his Rowlingesque name, Potter is known for his background as a musician — he worked as a lyricist with fellow Scientologist Chick Corea back in the 1970s.

Potter was one of four people who cared for Mary Sue in her final days. And there was another resident of the house that Mary Sue wanted to make sure would be taken care of in the style she was accustomed to.

That was her white, fluffy Shih Tzu dog, named Tzu (and pronounced TEE-zoo).

In her will, Mary Sue Hubbard requested that the house remain in the family as long as Tzu was alive. Potter lived there, taking care of the dog, until it died about two months ago — nearly eleven years after Mary Sue preceded her into the great beyond.

With Mary Sue’s will fulfilled, the family is now free to sell the house, and with LA real estate on the upswing, that’s exactly what they’re doing, we’ve been told. For several weeks, preparations have been going on to put the house on the market. Housing websites are estimating the property’s worth between $2 million and $2.5 million. So that gives some indication of what the family will be looking for.

The home has 3,155 square feet, with four bedrooms and three bathrooms, as well as a nice swimming pool.

Wow, Tzu had it good.

And now you can too, for around two and a half million clams.

Bonus Fact: Over the years, on occasion some have wondered if Scientology leader David Miscavige ever used the Chislehurst House as a place to stash his wife Shelly, who has not been seen in public for the last six years. Nonsense, say our sources who know the house and its history well. For many reasons — including the house’s ownership by the Hubbard family rather than the church, and also because Shelly has been working, not simply being kept on ice — our sources assure us she has never been kept at the house. Recent activity seen at the house is about its impending sale, not about Shelly, who has been at a mountain compound these last six years (until, we hear, she may soon make an appearance). We hope this once and for all puts this silly rumor to rest.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on August 6, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Simon

    She didn’t die. She discarded her body and went to Target Two, where LRH is now on the run from the Target Two IRS for tax evasion.

    • Hubbard’s Boil

      I was just at Target myself last night.

      • Where’s Shelly?

        I was at Target too.

        • FistOfXenu

          Big lol on that 1.

    • USA MRIID

      I would hope that other planets have law enforcement agents that don’t allow the abject frauds and other crimes that Scientology commits like we have here on Teegeeack which is infested with fucking Republicans.

  • Silly Scientist

    Silly rumor put to rest? You mean just as silly as the rumor that Shelley is locked up in some mysterious mountain compound? As silly as the rumor you’re spreading that Shelley will be making an appearance at Celebrity Center soon? Mind offering us any solid proof?

    And where, pray tell, have people been spreading silly rumors about Shelley living in some house in Hollywood? I always thought the only silly rumor about her was living in a magical mountain compound hard at work for L. Ron Hubbard’s magical mystery tour!

    • Observer

      ..

      • Andrew Robertson

        I’ve been thinking about Marty’s comment regarding Shelly being “as happy as a clam”.

        It is known that clams only have one foot so how happy can they really be having to hop about the ocean floor?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=48_MU9NH2rc

        Andrew

        • sugarplumfairy

          wow! I’m not sure if that was fascinating or terrifying..

        • Exterrier

          Wow, that clam was real O.T. , or O.C.

        • Interested

          Yuck. Sorry I used to like clams……

          • Sandy

            Really, I used to like seafood …..

      • Patty Moher

        lol Perfect!

      • Minion Gayle

        Creepy.

      • Mark

        Too big…

        • Observer

          Trolls are big though.

          • Mark

            Not if they live under the Bridge To Total Freedom:

            • USA MRIID

              ROFL!@ Live under the bridge. :)

        • CharlieWaters

          Oh look, it’s little Davey!

          • Mark

            Your wish is, &c. …

        • Observer

          btw, that’s the same clam I used in my clam troll shoop. haha

          • Mark

            I thought it might be – though I was also secretly hoping it was real, part of a new theme park for relatives you don’t like – ‘Lemony Snicket Land’, or some such.

    • Snuzey

      You might want to also read the second part of Tony’s post regarding spelling of her name! Just sayin! ;-)

      • Silly Scientist

        Oh, indeed. Shelley, Shelley, Shelley! Where art thou, O Shelley!

        • Snuzey

          Silley Silley Silley!

        • Yeppir

          Wow. I think you spelled your name wrong when you signed up this morning. Didn’t you mean “Silly Scientologist”? Oh, and what are you, twelve?

          • Silly Scientist

            Now, now. Don’t you know that Scientology is a science?

            • Snuzey

              Heh heh you forgot the {sarky brackets} keep up!

            • sugarplumfairy

              So.. Are you a silly rocket scientist or a silly rocket scientologist?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ok, you are officially a lame troll.
              k, bye…

        • Where’s Shelly?

          Silley $cilo

      • shasha40

        Well done Snuzey ! {Don’t you just despise ignorance and childishness?}

    • iHateDuplicity

      The rumors about Shelly being kept under guard and doing the bidding of the Cof$ come from the anonymous guys who are writing the Scientology Celebrities and Human Rights website (scientologycelebrity.wordpress.com). One of the authors of that blog has asserted that is where Shelly is probably located, most recently saying it just a few days ago. And it is a pretty silly rumor.

      • Silly Scientist

        You mean, as silly as living in a secret mountain compound?

        • iHateDuplicity

          I don’t know who you are, but you sound like a troll. It’s a well documented fact that CST exists and “secret mountain compound” is as good a description of the facility as anything else. Whether Shelly Miscavige is currently there or not is anyone’s guess. That’s kind of the whole point of the numerous internet postings of “Where’s Shelly?” She has been out of the public eye since like 2007, which is weird as hell considering how much IN the public eye David Miscavige puts himself. So if you have anything constructive or factual to say on the matter, I’d certainly be interested.
          It was a silly rumor that Shelly would be kept under some kind of house arrest at a house in the middle of Tujunga, because that is not consistent with Scientology Inc’s style of handling individual detractors and people within the organization who are undergoing disciplinary measures.

          • Missionary Kid

            The house we’re discussing in this blog is not in Tujunga, but in Los Feliz, which is close to Hollywood and Griffith Park.

        • RMycroft
      • Once_Born

        “Those anonymous guys” may have been honestly wrong. The other possibility is that they have a hidden agenda.

        Although spreading misinformation seems a little subtle for the CofS, such a blog could be used to plant rumours with the intention they be reported up by less scrupulous media outlets. When those rumours turn out to be dead wrong, they can be used to question the credibility of all of the coverage.

        For example: {The press has reported that Shelly Miscavige is being held here. Nonsense ! Look – it’s up for sale, and you can take a tour if you want… see – another example of religious bigotry!}

        Then again, perhaps “those anonymous guys” are just not very good journalists. I think I will stick with Tony. We should find out when the “For Sale” signs go up, anyway.

        • Beefeater

          There’s nothing on that blog claiming they are journalists. Considering that Ortega only wrote about the house after they blogged about Scientology staff hanging around the place, hasn’t ever acknowledged the existence of that blog, and basically writes them off as promoting “silly rumors”, AND considering all the hate & criticism dumped on them from Ortega’s fans, they really should shut their blog down.

          Guess only Ortega & his anonymous sources are the only ones that are ever right about anything.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Oh please,…..do not claim to speak for everyone here or promote your sweeping generalizations.
            Tony has every right to be irritated by that blog and I have every right to read it and decide what is of interest if I want.
            Many others are the same.
            Next thing you know you will be calling us the Ortega Cult……….
            (Oh wait…we are).

            Let me make this more succinct…………Piss off.

            • USA MRIID

              I nominate Tony Ortega as our new leader.

          • Missionary Kid

            Troll alert. Gee, we’ve got two already today.

            • Observer

              Tony hit a nerve somewhere! lol

            • Studious Judious

              I guess they are trying to beat the Thursday rush.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Bingo! He’s pretty good at that..

            • Studious Judious

              I wonder if it was yesterday’s article that struck the nerve.

            • Observer

              I wonder if the clams will ever figure out that when they show up here full of mocking denials all they’re really doing is confirming the truth of what they’re denying.

            • FistOfXenu

              Doesn’t matter what the trolls understand. Dinky Davey’s too stupid or too insane or both to ever understand that.

            • Missionary Kid

              Amen. Maybe all the trolls are out because they’re daring to look at entheta, which they wouldn’t do in the past. Hopefully they’ll see something that wakes them up.

            • Minion Gayle

              I feel special. Time to put out the clam dip and get the party started.

              Or get dressed and go to work.

            • Exterrier

              I think we could call them Operating Clams. O.C.’s

            • Missionary Kid

              That will go on a separate list. I like it.

            • Captain Howdy

              Same person, I would guess.

            • FistOfXenu

              A troll with multiple personalities.

              {How original of him. We’ve never seen that before}

            • FistOfXenu

              Yup. I guess Dinky Davey looked at all his options and realized he hasn’t got any. He can’t risk court cases now that we’re all aiming to get him deposed and on the witness stand. All those PI’s cost big dough and he needs to save that for Fair Gaming people like Tony and Marc and the rest of them. He can’t sic PI’s on the rest of us. He needed some thing cheap and easy to do so he could boast that he’s started his {counter attack} against the J&D entheta.

              So he sent in the clowns. We’ve got 2 already.

            • Missionary Kid

              I can’t say why, but my sense is that these trolls aren’t really that directed. I think that if they really were a part of OSA, they’d be less confrontational, and try to gather information, especially from the people who are still in, but, for personal reasons, can’t reveal themselves. I’m sure they’d like to out them.

              I think that if OSA was involved, we’d have a lot more of them, and they’d be more consistent. I think that most of them are here just a few individuals who are out to upset us so they can go back and say, “see, we really got them upset over at Tony Ortega’s” to show what good $cions they are to confront. Some may even be rationalizing a reason to be here so that they can explore some of the forbidden {entheta}.

              There may also be your garden variety (pun intended) trolls, who get their rocks off by just baiting people, but I think that’s the minority.

              That’s just my opinion, and I reserve the right to be wrong.

            • FistOfXenu

              You could be right MK. My own favorite theory is that they’re working off their lower conditions. We had push ups and 5 mi runs, they have “go troll Ortega’s blog”.

          • Studious Judious

            That’s an awesome nick Beefeater. You could have at least uploaded a cool avatar.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Or pour a nice G&T for everyone.

            • Captain Howdy

              Drive by ,1-2-3 shot disposable trolls, don’t have a need for an avatar.

          • Once_Born

            “Those anonymous guys” are doing journalism. They reported that Shelly was being held at this house. They were wrong. That makes them bad journalists.

            Tony does journalism too, but he has a very good track record. That is why I am sticking with him. Of course he has anonymous sources – how else could any journalist work? The point is he checks what those sources tell him and does not jump to conclusions.

            Also, there are no rules prohibiting the investigation of someone else’s claim. “Tony wrote about the house after they blogged”… so what. He got the story right, they got it wrong.

            I never said I hated “Those anonymous guys”, it’s just more difficult to take someone seriously when they are… well… anonymous. That’s another point in favour of Tony. He isn’t.

            The disinformation theory is looking a little more feasible

          • tetloj

            I enjoy their blog as speculation not journalism; a bit better informed than the average punter. If it causes yet another distraction and footbulleting…..bring it on. Dissing celebs….bring it on

          • Once_Born

            I suggest that the website run by “Those anonymous guys” might be spreading disinformation, and minutes later, Beefeater make his first post, defending them.

            There’s more than one way of running a front group.

            From what I recall of reading ‘that site’, their potty-mouthed writing would work well – if you wanted to bring critics into disrepute. I wonder if they will ever be used as an example of religious bigotry by the CofS and, if they were, would they have to retire {shattered} .

            Of course, I may be dead wrong. Perhaps one of the writers should drop in here, and reassure us of their independence.

        • ze moo

          This house in Los Feliz has been mentioned on Whyweprotest.net and on the clambake, sometimes this mention was years ago. All anonymous sites have credibility problems, study them and watch their track record.

    • Sunny Sands

      Hi Silly, and welcome. It’s early, have some coffee, and relax.

    • Graham

      Shelley died in 1822. Shelley fact: As a student he was thrown out of Oxford University for daring to publish a pamphlet “On the Necessity of Atheism”. There is now an annual Shelley lecture to commemorate this.

    • Studious Judious

      Hi Silly Scientist. I may not share your beliefs, but I love you just the same.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Yes, this place is much too abstract for you, you silly scientist.

      So shoo…
      Go on…go play with your chemistry set….

      • sugarplumfairy

        No, he def needs to stick around and learn something.. For a scientist, silly or not, he isn’t very knowledgeable..

        • Missionary Kid

          Like the rest of the clams who learned their $cience from a person who flunked his only physics class. He was about as accurate as an evolutionary biologist who learned their field from a creationist.

          • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love
            • Exterrier

              Oh great. Now I am re traumatized, er restimulated. And I no longer have an org to go to to run it out at. I’ll have to find some indie on Marty’s site to help me out of this restim.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              No, Exterrier, Noooooooooo…
              Back away from the cans!!!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          He is just a troll.
          I am bored already.
          There is no scientist involved here…

          • Observer

            We’ve got another one now, or maybe the same one in a different valence.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yeah and I am in the mood to kick em in the shins this morning.

          • Minion Gayle

            Not even a clever or entertaining troll, which is the worst sin of all.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Exactly. I love a good troll.
              I am a disappoint!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      almost as silly as building multiple houses for LRH with parishioners money so he has a place to land when he returns.
      http://media.tumblr.com/c1c43cd2c0d8af14504794c9d8b71e37/tumblr_inline_mmuol0yNVV1qz4rgp.gif

    • Eivol Ekdal

      almost as silly as building multiple houses for LRH with parishioners money so he has a place to land when he returns.
      http://media.tumblr.com/c1c43cd2c0d8af14504794c9d8b71e37/tumblr_inline_mmuol0yNVV1qz4rgp.gif

    • BrianClear

      Ask Dylan Gill and Angry Gay Pope where this “mysterious compound is”. AGP has quite vivid pictures of the compound and the razor blades facing inwards on the fence. As for Shelly, you’re just b@@t hurt that the celebrity blog was spreading fiction and trying to pass it for reality. Do you happen to be the author of that blog by any chance? Did Tony spoil you gig with actually publishing facts about that house in Hollywood?

    • FistOfXenu

      No he means as silly as Liar Ruin Humbug claiming he’d found the way to cure drug addiction by popping pinks and grays to get stoned and creating his visions of so called reality out of nitrous oxide induced hallucinations. Or as silly as how he claimed he was a nuclear physicist when he couldn’t even pass a basic physics course. Or as silly as all his war hero stories that are totally refuted by official Navy documents. Or as silly as Miscavige’s delusions that $cientarCONon is growing when all that’s really happening is that he’s shouting louder and louder at less and less people to try and squeeze more and more cash out of them, to hide what a complete clusterfuck his management of the cult really is.

      Hope that’s CLEAR for you now.

  • Patty Moher

    “In 1980, to make sure he wasn’t pulled into the prosecution himself, Hubbard went into seclusion while Mary Sue faced the music.”

    Good Xenu, Hubbard was such a twat.

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s elevating him too much.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      My twat takes exception to that remark!!!!

      • USA MRIID

        Some twatts are just no good.

    • GlibWog

      Oh.. I see why the Indies are just so Gah Gah over him. What a man..

    • USA MRIID

      Hey now, it was for the Good Of Scientology, you know. After all, we’re trying to Save Mankind on this planet, and shoveling a few criminalsmartyrs in to prison to Save Mankind is acceptable losses.

      • Missionary Kid

        It’s strike instead of strikeout for the HTML markup.

        • Observer

          I just use without the spaces, and that works for me.

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks, you mean like this?

            • Observer

              Yup

            • GlibWog

              Ok I will try thiswe

            • GlibWog

              It works it works..yay

    • FistOfXenu

      We had this conversation already. I’m a devoted twat worshipper. Please don’t blaspheme my deity!

  • Observer

    There aren’t two and a half million clams in the world. Oh, wait …

    • USA MRIID

      Observer, you must also count their customers’ Body Thetans.

      “Get ‘em offa me! Get ‘em offa me!” — The cry of the truly insane. Or the profoundly drunk. :)

    • Unex Skcus

      Do they count potential beings?

      “A human female typically has about 400,000 follicles/potential eggs, all formed before birth.”

      • Observer

        Now you’ve given them a way to send their stats straight up and vertical. They’ll multiply every female Scilon and every woman who has taken a course or bought a book or walked in the door by 400,000.

  • Andrew Robertson

    But where do your sources tell you that Neville’s going to live now Mr Oretigger? One hopes he’s not been cast out on the streets.

    Andrew

    • USA MRIID

      There’s always room for one more in The Hole!

      • Minion Gayle

        I had a closet under the stairs like that once. Isn’t that typically where you put Potters?

  • Sunny Sands

    How odd, Mary Sue’s lawyer and her dog living in her plush estate home, while the home is titled in a family trust benefitting her 3 children. An estate like that requires major upkeep expenses: high property taxes, lawn care, utilities, pool care, and those expenses occurred over an 11-year time span, and it sounds like the trust paid those expenses. I wonder where her 3 children have been living while the dog is living the life of Riley.

    • Hubbard’s Boil

      Not a bad setup for the widow of the founder of a “religion” and her canine heir. Isn’t there something in the U.S. tax code about not personally profiting from income derived from such enterprises?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Great fucking point!

        • Captain Howdy

          It was purchased with a fraction of the millions LRH made from being an all-time best selling author, which is why he never took a dime from the church of scientology during his life.

          • Observer

            Ooo, burn!

          • Interested

            Yeah right! Like he had only been married twice!

      • Sunny Sands

        Religious leaders {cough} have personal assets and may profit like any other citizen. If the church gave Hubbard the house, he should have paid taxes on it when it was transferred to him as income.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Busy for a few hours so I am going to start with the snarky comments and come back later…

    Do you think it bothered Shelley or Shelly that they have been overshadowed by their spouses’ accomplishments?
    Do you think Reiser or Reisor wears a wig?
    Do you think Mark or Marc wrote about greater social evils?

    • Captain Howdy

      Actually. there’s a new theory out that Percy wrote “Frankenstein”, not Mary.

      • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

        Of course there is. It’s bullshit.

      • FistOfXenu

        Me, I figure Frankenstein wrote both “Percy” and “Mary” for marketing reasons. You know, like LRH cooking up Para$citology and NarCONon and Diarrheatics for recruiting purposes.

  • Couch_Incident

    My bet is that after dropping his meat body, LiaRH got tired of researching the upper OT levels, and cast about looking for a new body to attach himself to. Mary Sue recognized LiaRH in her beloved Tzu: Tzu took dumps wherever he wanted, barked orders incoherently, and expected everyone else to take care of his every need. It WAS LiaRH possessing Tzu! Hence the need to hang on to the house until LiarRH/Tzu dropped this body! Where will he go now?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Ah Ha!!! I think you figured it out!

    • Truthiwant

      A curiosity.

      Do dogs have Body Thetans?

      If so, maybe they’re called Doggy Thetans.

      Or maybe they just have fleas.

      • Bella Legosi

        You just blew my mind 50ft outta itself!
        What. If. the fleas HAD Body Theatens?!?!?!?!?! That would totally explain the Black Plague!!!
        >P muahahahaha

        • Concerns_of_a_Father

          OMG! What. If. the… body thetans had body thetans!?!?!?!?! Were all doomed!!!

          • Mark

            Big Thetans
            Have little Thetans
            On their backs to bite ‘em.
            And little Thetans
            Have tiny Thetans
            And so on, ad infinitum.

            • lisacarolfremont

              Nice limerick!

              I hiked in the Angeles Forest last month with my dog and luckily experienced no plague-infested fleas but did see a lot of ground squirrels … and beautiful yellow lemon lilies. I used a lot of deet …

              The real estate market is doing better here. Maybe a celebrity will buy the house?

            • Mark

              The big Thetans
              Themselves, in turn
              Have bigger Thetans to go on;
              While these again
              Have bigger still,
              And bigger still, and so on.

            • Robert Eckert

              and so, and so forth.

            • Mark

              It’s supposed to be based on a part of a satire by Swift:

              The vermin only teaze and pinch
              Their foes superior by an inch.
              So, naturalists observe, a flea
              Has smaller fleas that on him prey;
              And these have smaller still to bite ‘em,
              And so proceed ad infinitum.

            • Robert Eckert

              Yes, I’d heard that one. My riff was that LRH would spoil your rhyme by continuing to bloviate.

            • Mark

              Well, Hubbard was a bloodsucker.

              William Blake had unnerving foresight about human parasites when he sketched ‘The Head of the Ghost of a Flea’ (those lips remind you of anyone?):

            • Marie Claire Wolf

              Ah! Blake, I happen to have an ultra rare (only 100 cpies ever printed, disbound) copy of the book which this plate is extracted from; there is also a second image of the ghost of the flea with mouth opened. Congratulations on your cultural acumen!

            • Mark

              Thank-you, Marie. But please be very careful of mentioning Blake first editions in public, lest ravening hordes of librarians and bibliophiles batter your front door down! (Just after I’d typed in “bloodsucker” above something started ringing bells in the back of my brain – thank goodness for Google image searches).

            • Marie Claire Wolf

              De nada compadre! ;-)

            • Observer

              That image reminds me very much of this one.

            • Mark

              Yes! Prehensile, slobbery lips!

            • Marie Claire Wolf

              And you have not seen the ghost of the flea with mouth opened: uncanny!

            • cicely neville

              I’d give an up arrow but this is just too awful.
              Can you shoop lrh as a flea? On second thought no – we’d all be sick -

            • InTheNameOfXenu

              To borrow a line from Arnold in Predator to describe Hubbard,
              “You’re one uuugly motherfucka’!”

            • Observer

              And yet a ridiculous number of women threw themselves at him. Ugh

            • InTheNameOfXenu

              Must have been the affirmations. But he was an accomplished hypnotist.

            • Missionary Kid

              Hey, I think it’s ridiculous the women who throw themselves at Mick Jagger. It’s a function of money, power, and celebrity. Of course, I’m a guy. Don’t get me wrong, I love his music. I just think he’s uuuugly. At least he doesn’t have cysts and bad teeth.

            • Observer

              It’s not just you. I find him repulsive as well. Steven Tyler, too. Joe Perry, on the other hand …

            • Missionary Kid

              I have a friend who’s probably close to her 60s who said, “I’d do him,” when we were talking about the Stones. I didn’t say anything, even though I thought, “Yuck.” It’s obvious she still carries the image of him when he was half-way cute when he first became popular, and she was a very young teenybopper.

              Over 20 years ago, I spent about 30 minutes talking to Jane Russel. We didn’t talk about movies. She really was before my time. To me, she was just this nice old lady. To men that are older than I, they get excited when I mention it. They still carry the picture of her in their minds that they had when they were young and she was a young woman.

              I’m willing to bet that you’re of a younger generation than I, (I’m 68), so you were imprinted with Mick’s image as an old guy.

              It’s all a matter of when we were imprinted with someone’s image, IMHO.

            • Observer

              I’m rapidly closing in on my mid-50s, so I remember Mick in his 30s (and I don’t find his younger pics attractive either). He never appealed to me.

            • Robert Eckert

              I was imprinted with the young Mick also. I would not say that he was even “half-way” cute at any time. De gustibus non est disputandum

              Of course, when it comes to LRH, disgustibus non est disputibilis

            • Missionary Kid

              There is a difference, though. You were not a young female teenybopper. Us males looked at him quite differently, and never wanted to look like him.

              In the late 50s, I have no recollection of LRH, even though I attended a Dianetics seminar. I was a very young teenager, and I don’t think I’d of been impressed. He was about the age of many of the preachers that I met through my family. Instead of selling Jesus, he was selling Dianutty.

            • Observer

              Trust me, I was never a teenybopper. lol

              Edit: unless you count wanting to bop teenies.

            • Robert Eckert

              Use slash / rather than backslash in the close-HTML angle-brackets.

            • Observer

              Thanks, but I had fixed it immediately. Now if only Disqus didn’t require quite so much refreshing …

            • N. Graham

              I’m not convinced he’s a great vocalist either.

            • Missionary Kid

              His vocals, in terms of singing ability aren’t great, but his phrasings are appropriate for the style of music that the Stones play. They are unique, and they’ve shaped a lot of Rock and Roll.

              I give him a lot of respect because he also respects the blues and rock artists that preceded him, and has often given them their due, which has not always been the case with other musicians. He seems to have often shared the limelight with them, even though they are obscure to many younger Rock fans.

              On the other hand, I’ve heard Satisfaction so many times that I can tolerate it about once or twice a year.

            • N. Graham

              True, he does respect the blues artists especially. And the Stones did do a lot to popularize American Blues. Also Chuck Berry for rock.
              Unlike Led Zep, who ripped them all off left and right.

            • Robert Eckert
            • InTheNameOfXenu

              Danny Glover said it too and his delivery was spot on.

            • Robert Eckert

              That’s in there.

            • Observer

              The resemblance is rather uncanny

            • FistOfXenu

              That’s why Liar Ruin {invented} the meter. For the cans.

            • cicely neville

              Aaaaghgh!!

            • junojones

              the flea was the spirit of a bloodsucking man according to the Tate site

            • lisacarolfremont

              hear hear!

            • Observer

              Maybe the cult will buy it and turn it into a NarCONon.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yah..we’re gonna need more registrars..

        • Robert Eckert

          The Black Plague resulted from a remarkable chain of parasitism. The rat of course lives by snatching leftover food from humans. The rat flea Xenopus cheopsi lives by sucking blood from rats; it specifically prefers Rattus rattus the “black rat” even over Rattus norvegicus the brown or northern rat, but will bite any mammal if its favored species is not available. The plague bacillus Yersinia pestis is parasitic on the rat flea in turn, living in the mouth to absorb some of the blood, and not reproducing unless it detects the blood-thinner which the flea makes in its mouth glands to inject into the rat when it bites and keep the blood flowing longer; this shutoff switch prevents the bacillus from reproducing wildly in the blood-stream of the rat, which will kill the rat and lessen the chance that the bacillus will get into another flea. Unfortunately there is a virus, Lambda bacteriophage, which is parasitic on the bacillus, taking over its reproductive system, and as a side-effect it interferes with the shutoff switch. So the bacillus starts killing the rats, and the rat fleas start jumping on to humans, killing them.

          • GlibWog

            Robert.. Ugh.. Very informative, but Ratty Tatty.. Grosse

          • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

            Here in CA they detected it in a dead squirrel, so they shut down part of the Angeles National forest while F&G decides if it’s safe, this is from a couple of weeks ago:

            “It is important for the public to know that there have only been
            four cases of human plague in Los Angeles County residents since 1984,
            none of which were fatal,” he said.

            The ground squirrel population in the San Gabriel Mountains has been
            known to have the plague, and officials said squirrel burrows in the
            affected area will be dusted for fleas.

            Officials also advised those visiting areas nearby the Broken Blade,
            Twisted Arrow and Pima Loops to take precautions, such as not feeding
            wild animals and preventing pets from getting fleas.

            “Protection with an insect repellent containing DEET is also
            recommended for persons visiting the Angeles National Forest and
            engaging in outside recreational activities in other areas of L.A.
            County,” Fielding said, adding that products containing DEET are not
            safe for pets.

            http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-plague-squirrel-20130725,0,3215912.story

            • Where’s Shelly?

              It’s always the squirrels!

            • Marie Claire Wolf

              Why do Scilons have this shaggy look to them? Is it a Co$ rule that once you make OT you let go of personal grooming? Puzzling…
              Wait a minute, I just thought of a very good reason: YOU HAVE NO TIME TO YOURSELF, never mind grooming.

            • cicely neville

              How can these supposedly mature people not notice how silly they look?

            • Marie Claire Wolf

              I know. One would think that as a representative of the so-called ‘most ethical’ and supposedly ‘enlightened’ {religion} they would make themselves as attractive as possible whenever out and about the free world. After all mormons and Jehovah’s witless who solicit you at home, usually very early on Saturdays, are dressed in their Sunday best always.

            • InTheNameOfXenu

              Pathetic brain-washed cultists. Get a life.

            • USA MRIID

              Bubonic infected rodents are collected every year in the San Gabriel Mountains, it is nothing new (I work in the arena; we get carcasses that test positive for the antibodies every week, collected at campgrounds and hiking trails in the Angeles National Forest, Mount Baldy, even Magic Mountain.) It’s only blown up in to hysteria when the assholes at Fox “News” try to pretend it’s some how Obama’s fault.

            • Robert Eckert

              Without the phage in them, the bacillus does not multiply as rapidly as it can in the bloodstream and the plague progresses fairly slowly; still can be deadly in countries with few modern medical facilities but not nearly as virulent as the Black Death.

            • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

              Yeah, the main thing with the BP is that you have to start treatment ASAP with an antibiotic like Ciprio(sp?) to knock it out before the bacteria get established in the lymph nodes or blood.

              Here in the San Joaquin Valley, we have a problem with Valley Fever, a fungal infection that can infect the lungs or other parts of the body, and which can only be treated by medications that have a lot of side-effect to them. Sometimes a dry area will be so spore-laden that it’s declared off-limits to the public, like at Sharks’ Tooth Hill near Bakerfield was for a while in the 1960s. Not quite as lethal as the BP, but pretty bad in terms of sub-lethal symptoms.

      • Missionary Kid

        Off topic. World’s shortest poem, titled Fleas.
        Adam
        Had’em

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      In a cockroach.

    • USA MRIID

      “…barked orders incoherently…”

      Well now all of Hubbard’s many Body Thetans have been set free once again to infect other hapless dimwits.

      • Marie Claire Wolf

        Who in turn push their ‘vehicule’ towards a Co$ org. completing the task.

  • shasha40

    Wow, Tzu was living better than SO members and probably ate better too ! I hope they don’t put Mr. Potter out on the street. There must have been alot of money stashed when lrh died to maintain living there ’cause I know Tiny d*ck doesn’t have a decent bone in his body. It still upsets me that they live a life of Luxury while the dedicated good people of the SO don’t get treated as well as a dog . The irony of it all.

    • Exterrier

      good point. You could have stacked at least nine sea orgers to room, and four in the pool house and a few more on the floor in the garage. That is at least forty berthed in the dwelling, and you would still have more bathroom facilities to share that the ones at the complex and the disgusting buildings on Wilcox and elsewhere. Imagine triple berthed bunk beds, ick.
      Those sea org quarters are like vampire nests, or slave berthing on the old transport ships from Africa. And the food, and the schedule. Ick again.
      And little Tzu had a whole house to herhimself.
      It is not a minor point you make.

      I suggest a new game…… by the way….. How many Sea Orgers can you fit………?

      • FistOfXenu

        That could be a good addition to “how many Sea Orgers* does it take to …….?” Like-

        Q: how many Sea Orgers does it take to fill a 2 room SO apartment?
        A: how many you got?

    • USA MRIID

      It’s the way of every organized crime syndicate that manages to survive long enough to allow some of their ringleaders to live long enough to enjoy their fraud-gathered wealth. Scientology is not one of the more traditional organized crime syndicates out there, but it harbors damn near every aspect of traditional organized crime, including the obscene wealth and seclusion and the abject insanity of its older crime bosses.

  • Simon

    I love the irony that Nancy Cartwright voiced Bart in an episode of The Simpsons in which the family got brainwashed by the Movementarians and she clearly didn’t get that they were a parody of the Sciloons. And when she’s making so much money that she can squander $10m in a donation to them, the COS won’t want her to leave the show any time soon. There’s plenty more non-awards to give in return for obscenely large sums of money.

    • USA MRIID

      Nobody ever accused Scientology customers of having the capability of critical cognitive capabilities. Hate to say it because most people are sane, rational, thinking people except when it comes to the most obvious frauds.

    • Aslansown

      I don’t remember…was she (Bart) in the Tom Cruise/Scientology episode?

  • Truthiwant

    And out of respect for his holiness, COB Mr. Miscavige, his name is NOT written:

    Miscabbage

    Miscabitch

    Miscarriage

    Missedcavige

    Mr. Cabbage

    and about twenty other versions I’ve seen written here on the Bunker!

    • aquaclara

      I think you mean His Holeyness, right?

      • Truthiwant

        Very good.
        I can see that today is pun day!

        • aquaclara

          yep, fun with proper nouns. Tuesday is Punday.

      • Minion Gayle

        Cornholio?

    • Simon

      Miscmidget.

    • Missionary Kid

      Littlest
      Caligula
      Dinky Mindfuck
      Miss
      Cabbage
      Miscabbage
      Tiny
      Terror
      Dwarfenfuehrer
      Der Dwarfenfuehrer
      Tiny Fists
      Tiny
      Crackpot
      Diminutive Mouse
      Pseudo-Pope of the Unholy Alleged
      Church of Scientolonuts
      THE
      Merchant of Chaos
      Malignant
      Dwarf
      Osama Bin Davey
      Davey
      Miss Carnage
      Toxic
      Dwarf
      Mouse-caviage, rodent king of the
      clams.
      King
      of Footbullets
      Diabolical Davey
      maniacal
      midget
      Dinky McSavage
      His Imperial
      Teensyness
      Mouse-caviege
      His hole-iness
      Igor to “Dr”
      L. Ron Crankenstein.
      Darth Midget
      His Imperial
      Teensyness
      Shorty
      Poppet
      Der Kleinegrupenfuhreur (Der
      Kleine Gruppenführer)
      The small group leader.
      psychotic
      munchkin dictator
      Tiny dick
      Mousyscabiage
      bitty
      boots
      David
      Miscrab-itch
      His Midgetsy
      He
      Who Should Probably Wear Lifts
      lolliCOB
      Miss
      Crab-itch
      Dickless
      Miscarriage
      Shortarse
      Wankmeister
      eccsleazeiastical
      leader
      esleaziastical leader
      Squirrelscavige
      Turd
      Pope.
      Micromeglomaniac
      Miscmidget
      Dark Lord
      Chuckles the Silly Piggy

      • Mark

        RESULT!!

        When’s the Underground Bunker Thesaurus coming out?

        • Missionary Kid

          Not from me. The only way I can spell Underground Bunker Thesaurus is if I cut and paste.

          • Mark

            Lucky I didn’t suggest A Tentative Dictionary Of Sarcastic And Scatological Scientological Synonyms.

            • Missionary Kid

              You get the prize for alliteration this morning. Oops, it’s afternoon where you are.

            • joan nieman

              I love the wittiness of this blog!

          • Eivol Ekdal

            I read that as ‘cult and paste’…lol

            • Missionary Kid

              I guess we do try to paste the cult.

      • ThetaTomato

        Angry Elf
        Despotic Dwarf (I just thought of that one, I like it!)
        Maniacal Midget
        Pocket Pope (another new one)

        • aquaclara

          ooh, the Angry Elf. I like that.

          • tetloj

            must be from the South Pole…..

        • Missionary Kid

          Done

          • Maureen49

            The earl of thetandicks

      • tetloj

        Duke of Oil

        • ThetaTomato

          His Oiliness

          • Observer

            ..

            • ThetaTomato

              How in the hell am I supposed to get any work done with all this funny shit being posted today? Sometimes the jokes just write themselves.

            • InTheNameOfXenu

              Geez Observer, it looks like Miscavige’s botox injections was replaced with a large dosage of Peter North’s spermatozoa.

            • Captain Howdy

              Peter North? I’m guessing most folks around here don’t know the name. Perhaps you should included a video link to complete the joke.

            • Robert Eckert

              Here’s a link that won’t make Tony ponder whether he has to remove the post:

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-NSd24Hz34

            • Captain Howdy

              I’ve seen him do close to that.

            • Marie Claire Wolf

              What no halo?

            • Studious Judious

              it slipped off due to the massive oiliness

            • joan nieman

              Absolutely genius!

          • Missionary Kid

            Added it, too.

        • Missionary Kid

          Added.

        • MO Mom

          Earworm!!

      • Minion Gayle

        Has anyone told you lately how awesome you are? I need a spreadsheet of this.

        • Missionary Kid

          All I do, is when something is written that strikes my fancy, I just copy and paste to a document.
          It’s not difficult.

      • aquaclara

        Fabulous list. I hope you weren’t planning on actually working this morning. New names are flying in today!

        • Minion Gayle

          I don’t generally plan on working while I’m there, anyway, it just sometimes happens by accident.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m in bed, with the keyboard on my stomach, with the laptop against my upraised knee and it’s 5:40 am.

      • Snuzey

        Can anyone submit suggestions?
        Pissflapscavige
        Tiny Cuntroller
        BeaterMax

        Maybe could vote for our favourite!

        • Missionary Kid

          I just grab what anyone posts and strikes my fancy. The best ones are usually in a sentence where someone shows their dislike for DM.

          • music8r

            His Claminess
            McCalamity

          • Maureen49

            The Royal Douche nozzle.

      • NoName

        Diminuitive miscreant.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup, I added it.

          • NoName

            Ah! And you added Louise Shtuppendwarf! Awesome! I came up with that one. I think I got Diminuitive Miscreant from someone else on ESMB.

            • Missionary Kid

              I thought that Louise Shtuppendwarf was quite clever, and appropriate.

      • ThetaTomato

        One more:
        Sawed-Off Cocksucker

        • Missionary Kid

          That one’s marginal, but I’ll add it.

          • GlibWog

            Uhm Teeny Weinie

      • MissCandle

        For me, it’s Shortie, not Shorty.

        • Missionary Kid

          Noted and added.

      • Vistaril

        Nipple Head
        Yardstick
        Devil’s Miscarriage

        . . . okay, I made the last one up.

      • Captain Howdy

        You appear to be missing “Demented Midget” and “Asthmatic Dwarf”, which are two of the oldest, most common nicknames.

        Also here’s an old one of mine…”McSavage”, and one I just created.. COBHOLIO

        • Missionary Kid

          I thought I’d already added those two, I guess it’s because I saw them so often.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Today, ‘His Inportant Smallness’ issued yet another e-dick to the acclimated masses of demented fawners, telling them of abysmal news of yet another abyss.

        Privately, the fawners fondly refer to HIS as “COBholio’, who needs TC for his Gung-ho.

        • Captain Howdy

          “I am Cobholio…I need TC for my cornholio…heh heh”

      • Orglodyte

        Mismanage.

        • Missionary Kid

          Now that I put them in a spreadsheet, I can insert the names easily.

          That’s 82 terms for Fearless Leader. Oops, I didn’t put that one in. Make it 83.

      • HillbillyWog

        Do you have a list of L. Con Hubbard nicknames?

        • Missionary Kid

          I do, but I’ll post that another day. I also have to clean it up, because it also includes comments that aren’t really nicknames.

          The DM list is much longer, because I believe he’s inspired a lot more vitriol. I’m up to 85 now.

      • Where’s Shelly?

        Wee Davey

      • wogrevert

        A shoop I did when the dwarf came out as Duke, and no offense to individuals with genetic conditions, life choices or orientation. Davy is no Daisy

      • Marc Headley

        some more i did not see:

        Enrique Entheta (family nickname!)
        Little Hitler
        Little Dirk Digger
        Davey Boy
        Davey Little Cockett

      • aquaclara

        Proclaiming you the honorary mayor of the Bunker Short Fest today, MK! Here all day, following it all. These are so funny.
        PS Can we add The Flying Monkey to the list, courtesy of Observer’s shoop artistry?

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m not ready or able to do images yet. Maybe after I’ve gotten all of the word lists done.

          • aquaclara

            No images, just the words! we can all picture the flying monkey. Believe me, I wouldn’t even think of adding a techy element to your fab list. Why complicate things when we don’t need to?!

            • Missionary Kid

              O.K. I’ll add it to the list. Good idea.

        • Missionary Kid

          I thought I’d posted this already, but not right now. My specialty is going to be words. Maybe later…

          In a couple of days, I’ll set up one for LRH. There aren’t as many of them, and maybe I’ll include bon mots about him and $cientology. As it stands, there’s only a few short of 100. I didn’t include all of the nicknames because some were, IMHO, a little too obscure or generic, although they work well for general insults.

      • Missionary Kid

        To add to this, just reply. Sooner or later, I’ll get to it.

    • Bradley Greenwood

      PIE-FACE!!!

    • USA MRIID

      Ha! Some asshole keeps vandalizing the Wikipedia entry on Davy, trying out various spellings of the crime bosses’ name. “Miscabbage” was the latest round of vandalism. :)

      • Missionary Kid

        Twarn’t me. I just J&D here.

    • Mark

      GOBSHITE (in honour of Bradley Greenwood’s avatar) or possibly COBSHITE.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        “And don’t call me Len, you little bollocks!”

        • Mark

          “I’m on to you, Crilly!”

    • FistOfXenu

      His holiness? You mean his oiliness!

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s on my list, below.

  • aquaclara

    Marc is as funny as Mark.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Rieser’s not as funny as Reiser..

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Are you kidding? I think she is funnier.
        Ok, not on purpose….but come on….she is comedic genius.
        I wish I could watch her sec checks.

        • sugarplumfairy

          You’re right.. Just her hair is funny..

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Sweet Polly from Underdog.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol..

            • Captain Howdy

              Hey! I use to have a crush on Sweet Polly..watch it.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              So what do you think of Mary, Capt.?
              Do tell?

            • Captain Howdy

              Mary doesn’t look anything like Sweet Polly Purebread.

              Polly was HOT!

            • Robert Eckert
          • BananaSplits8

            Cuts it herself is my guess.

      • aquaclara

        Shelley’s spouse was almost as scary as Shelly’s spouse. Almost. But not quite.

        • Studious Judious

          Shelley’s spouse wrote about Shelly’s spouse.

          • aquaclara

            Must’ve been an OT.

  • sugarplumfairy

    My 5th grade teacher was Sr. Mary Pedantic.. Her big bugaboo was there, their and they’re..

    • Missionary Kid

      There’s something to it there if they’re used correctly.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    RuhRoh, demerits forthcoming…

    • Minion Gayle

      Are we all going to be on latrine duty with just our toothbrushes?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Not me! I screw up a lot of stuff, but these three I got down!
        I hate demerits. They bring out my competitive nature and I turn into SPF and wanna smack somebody.

        • Minion Gayle

          They bring out my competitive spirit, too, just in the wrong way. They always make me want to earn more.

  • stateofcircle

    Tony ‘s being a show off today. And a smart ass.
    Loves it.

  • Sunny Sands

    I never thought Shelly was at Mary Sue’s house because DM would never treat his wife so nice.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Why would they move her at all? Why wouldn’t they just keep her right where she is (even if to fatten her up and trot her out into the showring)?

  • Yeppir

    Ok. Some mnemonics.

    1. Shelley. The “E” is missing.

    2. Rieser. Spelled like LIEser.

    3. Marc puts the ARC in, well, Marc.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Bravo! Golf clap for you.

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      Do I stand corrected! I promise to uphold the spelling, thank you Sir.

    • Where’s Shelly?

      Right on!

    • Jgg2012

      Hubbard invented the dictionary. Why didn’t he include these names?

  • BosonStark

    I guess that Neville Potter was married to Leslie Potter, who were both Sea Org members who lived with Mary Sue, along with Ginny Hoff? I’m getting this from old posts by Chuck Beatty, who seems to be an expert on this.

    So what happened to Leslie Potter?

    If DM is interested, I’d stay in prison for a year taking the rap for him, if he gave me a house like that as long as it wasn’t a prison where the guys…oh, never mind.

    • Minion Gayle

      Neville was married to Ginny? My God, it’d getting more Rowlingesque by the second.

  • Racnad

    I’ve wondered where that house was, and there it is, almost around the corner from where Apple School was – or more importantly, a few blocks from the LA Complex, where the Miscavage minions could easily keep an eye on her.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Nice digs, too.

      • Bella Legosi

        I miss your Suri AVi……..Suri’s cry face/tantrum face are priceless! As one who’s nick name is Brat, I feel for the little girl! It’s going to be tough when she gets old enough to read about her father and his “religion”

        • Bella Legosi

          Really? I hope that was a fat finger mistake………….

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Suri Av? I didn’t have one of those.
            Mine are usually toxic blonds (but I had to give Katie a go).

          • i-Betty

            Without a doubt. I read and re-read your comment when I saw the down arrow, wondering what I could be missing. Nothing, is the answer. Deffo someone’s fat finger :)

        • Where’s Shelly?

          No doubt!

    • RMycroft

      I’ve added the house to my map.

      http://goo.gl/maps/DSvd6

      • Bella Legosi

        :D

        I wonder how well a “Tour of $cientology and the Stars” would do in LA?? Incorporate some history with pop culture trivia. A bus full of Entheata! That would rock!

        “And on my left is the former residence of Mary Sue Hubbard, who assisted L Ron in evading investigators during the 70′s and who went to prison her her part in “Operation Snow White”. Among her humanitarian efforts she left the property to her dog.”

        • i-Betty

          Sign me up!

      • Studious Judious

        I like the idea of this map.

        • RMycroft

          Yeah, I let it sit for years because Google Maps had some limitations on user maps. I think they fixed that a while ago, so I should re-read the docs and jam in a whole lot more push-pins.

      • ThetaBara

        This is great! Will have to do some sightseeing next time I’m in LA.

      • i-Betty

        Superb!

  • AnonymousSP

    Ha! I’ve done my three word clears and am now off for another banger day of cult stoppage.

    • Missionary Kid

      Metamucil or Citrucel can help with that.

  • BananaSplits8

    On one of the reasons why Miscavige couldn’t hide his wife at Chislehurst house: “…including the house’s ownership by the Hubbard family rather than the church…”.

    Proof of that is the dog’s longevity.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Neville Potter probably had that dog on life support for the last five years just so he could keep living in that house.
      Gotta be better than whatever his next gig is with these clowns.

      • 1subgenius

        He should have replaced it with a new one.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          LOL, that is what I would have done!

  • FLUNK_101

    Recently portrayed as Peggy Dodd by actress Amy Adams in Paul Thomas Anderson’s film The Master, Mary Sue Whipp was a fiery redhead who was a no-nonsense administrator

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Hey, now that is administrating!

      • Bella Legosi

        hehe I thought it was more delegation, but hey splitting hairs! :P

      • FLUNK_101

        She was known for her involvement in hands-on operations.

        • Mark

          Touch assists.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I wonder if she was a micro manager?

          • FLUNK_101

            LOL!!!

      • music8r

        Indeed, taking things into her own hands!

    • Bella Legosi

      *shakes head*
      ewwwwww……..Flunk!!!!!

      :)

      It’s too early for me to feel dirty and uncomfortable! :P

  • Mark

    Last known picture of Tzu?

  • Interested

    I know that this has nothing to do with this subject, but if you have never watched the cults song “we stand tall” then it is worth the couple of minutes. Firstly, I have to admit it is catchy. But then you watch the video and shriek with laughter. The gun salute! The people looking oh sooooo happy! The fact that LRH’ s teeth are perfect!? That jr has been erased from the one lecture.!. Our little dwarf singing his heart out… Bless his little socks. Mike behind him, Marty to his right. Love the jumper. Note everyones eyes are blank.! Oh I could go on but don’t want to spoil the fun.
    Re the above article… Who said it was a dogs life. My goodness how old was the dog? 12 years after Mary’sdeath…..

    • Observer

      Small dogs live a lot longer than big ones. We have a dachshund who is within three months of his 18th birthday.

      • Interested

        Fantastic. Before this one I had a Bernese she lived to 14 yrs 2weeks, which was exceptional as their life span is normally 8 years. But great stuff and many more years for you.

        • Captain Howdy

          That’s amazing for a Bernese Mountain Dog. They are so beautiful.

          • Interested

            She was amazing. She loved chocolate and as a pup would push a chair into the pantry to climb up and steal. Of course chocolate is really bad for dogs so she was never allowed any. On her last day we sat in the park eating kit kat chocolate. As my kid said he knew her longer than he knew his dad. I miss her still. But now I have my monster…

      • MissCandle

        Here’s to a looooong life for your loooooong dog. : )
        (My oldest dachshund is almost 14.)

      • Bella Legosi

        My sister’s dog Coco was 26 when he died. He was a wiener too! My little brother’s grandmother owned a calico cat that reached the age of 28 (it has since died, but the poor thing was older then me when it did kick the bucket)

      • Robert Eckert

        I took care of a friend’s Yorkie in his last months. He was over 20, had lived in New Orleans, Paris, and the Yukon before finishing out his life in the Santa Cruz area. Still miss you, Mr. B!

      • i-Betty

        Aww :) They are known as sausage dogs in England. I saw a 12 week old dachshund in town just today. The poor owner couldn’t get more than 5 feet without someone new asking if they could cuddle it. I felt broody!

    • Vistaril

      Classic video . . .

      • Bella Legosi

        Nice back-tat/target………who knew Tom or John were available for parties!

        See this is what happens to your career when you join a creepy cult that is proud to have the likes of Jenna Elfman and Kirstie Alley!

        >P

      • CharlieWaters

        I wonder how “straight up and vertical” Slappy is in this picture.

      • lightblb62

        OMG.. that’s Greg Wilhere there in the middle in the blue shirt. HIs wife Sandy died not too long ago.. well I’ll be…..

      • Interested

        Bugger… Can’t stop laughing. Perfect shot mouth open. I really need to get a life.

    • Spackle Motion

      There is an interesting back story to this video – allegedly Miscavige ordered everyone to wear bland sweaters, shirts, or blouses that were a solid color. He wanted to be the only one to stand out by wearing his god-awful Hermes shirt. Ray Mithoff (I think) forgot about this order and wore a sweater with a pattern. I believe he got into a heap of trouble over that.

      The kids at Anonymous made a dongcopter version of his shirt that is priceless. I’ve always thought that Hermes was an over-priced Ed Hardy; tacky prints that only work in scarves.

  • Bella Legosi

    Leave it to the most eithical people on the planet to will a dog a mansion!!!! lol wow at least the wife of McDonald’s gave her billions to charity!

    Nice “Learn It” btw Tony.

    Did that make you smile Marc? You gots a legend proceeding you! :D

  • Bella Legosi

    {I wonder how many “sec checks” were done on that dog!!!!}

    Is there anything in Co$ or Indie $cientology that does involve animals?? I haven’t come across any reincarnation type thing involving them like I do when I read about Hindi’s.

    Sometimes, with certain dogs and cats, I dub them “demoted humans”. :) Reason being there is something about their personality that tells me at one point they used to be human, but due to being or doing whatever in their human life they were cursed to “do over” as a pet! lol It’s a weird thought, but I do have my fans who like that way of thinking. My mom thinks I am spot on with the “demoted human” idea.

    • WhereIsSHE

      Ummmm… on behalf of my Doberman and my Blue Heeler, I beg to differ!
      Unless you your clay model of “demoted” looks like my version of “pampered” or “spoiled rotten”!
      And also on their behalf, “Who you callin’ a ‘degraded’ being, MuthaFuckah???!”

      But seriously…
      Dogs are just dogs, and it’s over when you die.
      Believing in reincarnation –and especially punitive reincarnation– lands people in real life CULTS, wasting their LIVES, chasing perfection and eternity, neither of which they will ever find.

      Someone should start a religion that believes in the TRUTH for a change.
      The Church of IT’S OVER WHEN YOU DIE, BITCHES.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I started that church already when you were on hiatus.

        It is “BuryalltheNutsology”
        Wanna sign up for a course?

        • WhereIsSHE

          I’ve been a loyal follower of yours for a long, long time, BTN;)

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            It sounds like you are trying to get a discount on the course fee?

            OK, flattery will get you everywhere….Just buy a book or seven at $500 a pop. Leather bound of course, and then we will get you on the descending staircase to future.

            (I prefer staircases to bridges, because if you get tired you can set on the steps and rest instead of worrying about getting run over by a Mack truck).

            • WhereIsSHE

              OK, but can I get a discount on those prices if I sign a legally unenforceable and completely onerous contract in your favor, requiring me to be a slave, living in filthy, crowded, bug-infested housing, subsisting on a diet of rice and beans, for little or no pay, who has to pay YOU if I ever decide that being a slave is a PATHETIC WASTE OF MY ONE AND ONLY LIFE?

            • WhereIsSHE

              And will you promise to make me suffer in some barbed-wire-fenced-in-desert-compound for months or years, doing hard labor and eating slop (IF i am lucky enough) before I can try to officially leave your flock (which will only have the goal of re-signing me to a lifetime of slavery)??

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              NO CAN DO!!! My cult comes with Strawberry caek and ice cream and we all get to live in a Frank Lloyd Wright compound and sit around in Eames chairs and watch the grass grow with ultra high speed internet (and also take lots of naps).
              And there will be a cat. But she does not stand on formality and gets embarrassed you even stand at attention in her presence.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Sounds a lot like my current life, FLW (inspired) compound included, minus the caek and ice cream (we prefer big bowls of delicious organic fruit–and organic teas– and top shelf liquor) and minus the cat. (We had 4 cats, but they now dead– or living the life of “degraded” human beings, in the lap of luxury elsewhere, no doubt!)
              No use for leather-bound tomes (or any other non-vegan-bound-anything), but will happily pay dues to join your cult (if you throw in some good cocktails with slices of fresh fruit from your compound’s citrus trees!)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Premium cocktails and fresh fruit are status quo….unlike rice and beans!

            • WhereIsSHE

              And… I hate to be so picky… but…
              Do you have a dog whom I will be required to salute?
              I don’t want to get into some weirdo situation where there is no Leader’s dog to salute!!

        • RMycroft
      • Bella Legosi

        lol There is no shortage of churchs that say they deal in “truth”. As for my theory on “demoted human”, it is just my own little pot inspired theory. I am one of those crazy cat ladies who can’t believe something so sweet as dogs, cats, mice or birds, don’t have souls! :)

        • WhereIsSHE

          Oh.. Well, cats, mice and birds have souls. I mean, everyone knows that!
          I was just speaking on behalf of my soulless dogs.
          {{{j/k}}}

          • Bella Legosi

            lol

      • Captain Howdy

        I’ve been working on my “The Church of the Final Monkey” for awhile now.

        ALL are invited…

        • Interested

          Me I’ve started my cult called Woofology. It has a sister company Cattology. Want to join? Just send me a blank cheque. I’ll fill it out for you. :-))

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ll stay a Pastafarian, thank you.

  • Papa Xenu

    Dogs must have some serious status in the church. Tzu gets to live in a 2.5 million dollar mansion in California while Sea Org peons (pronounced Pee-ons, get it “pee ons”) are crammed into small roach ridden rooms with a dozen others. Then you have Miscavige’s dog who gets a tailored uniformed, a high rank (requiring a salute of respect) & has the authority to send any Sea Org member to the RPF with a simple growl in their general direction. I just hope Davy Boy treats his dog better than his wife.

    • Vistaril

      L Ron Hubbard started that nonsense with the dogs . . .

      • Bella Legosi

        You know it is with pets like this that I wish to Uncle Cosmo that I could cast some sort of Eskimo spell to allow dogs or cats to talk OR have the ability to hear their thoughts! Imagine the stories a dog like Hub’s, Sue’s, or DM’s would have!

        Is there Dr.Doolittle Powerz in the OT material? :P

        And where the hell is OTVIIIisgrrr8t?????? I get their blog emailed to me, but haven’t seen them on in awhile (I say “them”/”they” because I know not their sex)

      • N. Graham

        LRon had “Goldie” also, another family dog.

  • Bella Legosi

    Who here was surprised that Little Boots and his professional stalking organization hadn’t poisoned this dog???? lol I mean that is what came to mind when I read the article! Just wondering if it was articulated already!

    • Gerard Plourde

      There would have been no point to doing that. The RTC and cult aren’t direct beneficiaries of the estate.

      • Bella Legosi

        True. Although I wouldn’t put it past some in RTC to just poison a SP dog on principle or use it to speed up the will process. I just read the comment above about the kids posibly using the money to blow; which is slim to none chance. At the very least when this property does get sold, you know RTC or some connected entity is going to get their pound of flesh! I also wouldn’t put it past Co$ to utilize some form of “interest” too!

  • Watergate

    The sale of this property could give Diana Hubbard a financial toehold if she were to leave the cult. The sale proceeds will be split between Diana, Suzette and Arthur. (S. and A. are long gone.)

    I don’t have any personal knowledge of this, but blown Scientology execs have written that long-time MSH factotum Neville Potter spied on MSH for Miscavige. I expect he was required to do so. Today, if Potter were to blow and talk openly and honestly, he would have much to share that would interest us all.

    • Studious Judious

      Where are Suzette and Arthur? Or Diana for that matter.

      • TonyOrtega

        Suzette and Arthur live in LA and are not involved in the church. Diana is still in the Sea Org and lives and works at Int Base near Hemet. But she can come and go as she pleases, and visits the Chislehurst home on occasion.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Is Arthur still painting with his blood? Or was that an urban myth?

          • TonyOrtega

            There might just be a story about that in the offing. Patience, please.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Ohhh Goodie!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Whoo hooo.
              I had forgotten all about that weirdness!

            • Bella Legosi

              What happened with the next Ortega/Atack vs LRH book installment???? I have been anxiously awaiting it! Blogging Dianetics was too much fun!

              Don’t make me find a copy and read that crap myself Tony!!!! :(

            • Robert Eckert

              PZ Myers will give his real-scientist take on History of Man this Thursday. Atack like Claire Headley is usually once a week unless pre-empted by incoming bombshells.

            • Bella Legosi

              Thank you! I have been away a lot recently, but have been checking in from my phone in the mornings. I usually have time just to read the post!

              Can’t wait!

            • Orglodyte

              Can’t wait! History of Man is the only Scientology book that survived my joyous all-day book destroying binge. Ron the Crackpot at his very best.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          When I was in the S.O. in 1984, I went to Sea Org Day in LA where Arthur and Suzette received their 16 year S.O. member recognition.

    • Ms. B. Haven

      I would love to get some more info on Neville Potter. Is he SO? What was his relationship to the Hubbard family? What’s his history in scientology? Does he still work with Chick Corea?

      Back in the 70s, I was very impressed with the beautiful lyrics he provided for Return to Forever featuring Chick Corea and Stanley Clarke. At the time, these folks were what I would refer to as the embodiment of the scientology ideal (whatever that is). They seemed to be free spirit, creative types doing their own thing and attributing some of their creativity and inspiration to what they got out of scientology. They didn’t seem to be caught up in the celebrity scene or being used as showpieces by the church like other celebs were. They seemed down to earth and not prone to jumping on couches like Cruise or spewing their potty mouths on Twitter like Alley. As far as I know, Chick is still like this. He attends and performs at events but seems to be immune from the crazyness. I don’t know about Stanley. I thought that he made it to OT III and then bailed years ago, but the two of the still perform together, so he must still be in and very low key (no pun intended). If anyone has some info in this area I would love to hear it.

      • FLUNK_101

        Stanley Clarke left the church. Chick Corea stopped playing with him. But, that changed when it came time for their Return To Forever reunion tour, because big bucks were involved … at least that’s what I heard. It was the money.

        • Marc Headley

          I heard that Chick got Stanley back in recently. Stanley also appeared in an IAS video with Chick recently.

          • i-Betty

            Poop :(

  • Spackle Motion

    What, no Tony-Toni-Tone?

  • Mrs Libnish

    Thanks for the info..I have recently wondered what the connection that house had in reference to Shelly. PS – LOVE the spelling tutorial…I LOL’d.

  • http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

    Even the haters on this site would be charmed by Neville Potter. Truly a wonderful guy. He began writing poetry after a particularly astounding Method One Word Clearing session and graduate students in the U.K. wrote papers about his poems. Return to Forever’s seagull album has songs written by Neville. His wife Leslie, no slouch in her own right, managed the group during their very successful years. Both great folks. I would dearly love to be in touch with them again. But that will have to wait until DM is long gone.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      If anyone here was really a “hater”, than we wouldn’t even be here.
      Hopefully they leave the man in peace and Davey doesn’t throw him in the hole just because he is mad the dog lived so long!

    • 1subgenius

      Sorry “Method One” Word Clearing reminds me of the Arrested Development episode where Tobias thinks a methodone clinic is an acting clinic.

      • Captain Howdy

        Some of the best “acting ” I’ve ever seen was at methadone clinics.

      • Spackle Motion

        He was just trying to get anustart.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        An yes, the “Method One” Acting Clinic. Sort of like reading John Donne and wondering what an ” is land” is.

      • WhereIsSHE

        It would be awesome if there was an episode where Lucille Bluth got somehow derailed into a Scientology auditing session.

        “I don’t understand the question, and I won’t respond to it.”

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rTJtVyQhN0

        • 1subgenius

          They did make a Scientology joke.
          I forget who, but they say , “And that was harder to get out of than Scientology.”

    • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

      The “haters”?

      I wouldn’t be friends with a Scientologist. Not that they’d want to be friends with me. Besides any other issues, they believe I’m low-toned for being disabled and that it’s my own fault, that I “pulled it in”. Even if they wanted to risk being near my contaminated self, I do not get along with anyone who buys into the just world fallacy. Scientologists also believe that thousands of years of human history is an “implant”. Which, um, is deeply stupid. And they believe that children are adults in little bodies. Which is not only deeply stupid, but also deeply dangerous.

      That doesn’t mean I “hate” Scientologists. “Not-like” does not translate to “hate”. Maybe there doesn’t seem to be a difference to you, but I think precision in language is important. I think it is especially important when discussing Scientology, whose founder made up his own stupid language that exists in order to cut people off from the outside world and from being able to think clearly.

      • http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

        Well, you seem to be proving my point. But I would bet dollars to donuts that if you spent an hour or so with Neville you would like him.

        • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

          I do not like people who blame me for my disability. So, no. And this is not a fault in me.

          I also don’t like people simply because they are “charming”, nor do I judge them after solely an hour in their company. I like people who are, you know, good people.

          • http://www.rediscoverscientology.com/blogs/joe-howard.html Joe Howard

            What’s you disability, if I may ask?

            • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

              Why do you want to know?

            • Where’s Shelly?

              Why did you even mention it if you don’t want to reveal it?

            • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

              It has nothing to do with not wanting to reveal it. I’ve revealed it a whole lot of times, including here iirc. I want to know why Joe Howard wants to know what it is. How is it germane to this discussion?

            • Interested

              I would love to meet an ex scientologist. I would love to help in some way. They were/are brainwashed. They got into this cult believing that they would improve themselves or the world we live in. I am not courageous enough. A wimp of the first order
              . I don’t know why you not only brought up but insisted on mentioning your disability, and I can understand that those on the bunker site would be interested so as to be there for you, and I have noticed that when people share others open up to them. A lesson perhaps of life. You have, by being so defensive, slammed that door. I am sorry. Not because of your disability, as we all carry different “baggage” but because you are so bitter and angry. Good luck

            • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

              First, you are changing the topic. I was talking about CURRENT Scientologists. You then change that around to EX Scientologists. Two very different beasts. Changing the subject in this way is a common tactic used by Scientologists, as was just discussed yesterday regarding Miscavige’s “Leah didn’t confront me” claim. I said nothing about ex-Scientologists, only current ones.

              I am not bitter, nor am I defensive, and you are just completely wrong about my motivations. The fact that I do not feel like sharing my medical issues with someone who defends Scientologists and, right off the bat, called people here “haters”, does not mean I am ashamed, defensive, or have anything to hide.

              I don’t understand how you cannot see why I brought up my disability, which you call “insisting on mentioning it”, which is an odd turn of phrase. It makes me believe it made you uncomfortable. Scientology says that people who are disabled brought it on themselves. Scientologists treat disabled, sick, dying, poor, injured, etc. people like garbage. This is central to Scientology tenets. Something bad happens to you, it’s your own fault. Just as an example, Jenna Elfman said AIDS was a state of mind.

              I do not appreciate your assumptions. People here have, in fact, been here for me about a lot of things, including my disability, which I have, in fact, talked about in this community before, as well as elsewhere. Not a one has been the kind of person who would grill me about it. Not so coincidentally, not a one has been a Scientologist currently either.

              I still want to know why what my precise disability is such a big goddamn deal to someone who was arguing with me. I wonder if I’m ever going to get an answer to that. By the way, if most people here had asked that, I would have answered without a second thought. When a Scientologist-defender asks it, bells go off, because of the way Scientologists have acted before when they learn I’m disabled. When ANYONE asks it while they’re arguing with me, bells also go off. And when someone latches on to that point in a post I’ve made with many points other than that, and asks me about it without telling me why — yeah. Bells. Lots and lots of bells.

            • Once_Born

              One of the things I like about forums is that nobody knows anything about you, personally, except what you are prepared to reveal – people can ask, but you don’t have to answer.

              You are judged here by the quality of what you write – nothing else.

              You revealed that you are disabled because it is relevant to this discussion (revealing the way scientologists treat disabled people). This is a worthwhile contribution. The details of your particular disability are not relevant to that point.

              May I suggest the following convention: if contributors are going to ask a personal question that is not directly relevant to the conversation (however well-meaning) ask once. If that question is ignored, drop it.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        It angers me to hear the cult’s rationale for discrimination against people because of sexual orientation and disability. The cult does everything and anything it can to create self-hating individuals, and if someone isn’t self-hating enough, Miscavige will make sure those around them will know how “worthless” they are. Such evil.

    • i-Betty

      They sound like lovely people, Joe :)

  • Simon

    Don’t you just love the demented nonsensical lingo the Sciloons use, as handed down by their dead tax evading messiah? I love this piss take:

    Two Scientologists meet on the street.

    “How’re you doing?” one asks the other.

    “Well, to tell you the truth, I’ve been a bit out ruds because of a PTP with my second dynamic because of some bypassed charge having to do with my MEST at her apartment. When I moved in I gave her an R-factor
    and I thought we were in ARC about it, but lately she seems to have gone a bit PTS so I recommended she see the MAA at the AO to blow some charge and get her ethics in. He gave her a review to F/N and VGIs but she did
    a roller coaster, so I think there’s an SP somewhere on her lines. I tried to audit her myself but she had a dirty needle and BIs and was acting really 1.1 so I finally sent her to Qual to spot the entheta on her lines. Other than that, everything’s fine…”.
    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us-08.html

    I’m more like Jerry O’Connell. For me, it’s all about KFC. It’s just good chicken.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Zv3X_Hlck

    • RMycroft

      My Time Machine Order just fell off.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Wow. Now that is an insider joke….

    • WhereIsSHE
      • Captain Howdy

        My punk rock lawyer, maybe next time warn the kids they’re going to see some massive animal cruelty.

        • WhereIsSHE

          Yeah. I should do that, shouldn’t I.

          It’s just that people never look when you warn them, because they’d rather not know about cruelty and abuse for the most part.

          Sort of reminds me of some well known people (especially the ones who have the money and wherewithal to get out) who KSW by keeping entheta off their lines: They keep participating in it and patronizing it, even though to do so is intentionally ignore the pain and suffering of other beings. Heads in the sand and all that.

          Sorry to those who clicked on the linky and saw the hidden video footage that a few brave (and strong-stomached) animal rights activists filmed at locations that “The Colonel”/”KFC” would like to keep hidden from the masses, but it reminds me of the brave few who have escaped from the Cult of Scientology and have gone public/told their truths about the abuses they witnessed and/or suffered, first hand.

          Alright, then.
          Hopping off my little Earthlings soap box.

          No more animal posts today.

          • coonellie

            When I was ordered by my doc to add meat back into my diet (after being vegan), I went out of my way to find happy cow – and fortunately, I live where there are small farms that raise six or seven head a year, let them range and eat grass, and no salt licks with ground up bones. I saw those videos and a few others and it really should be shown on national TV. I also think that Fast Food Nation is a must-read. Backing off my soap boxette…and going to pet my kitty.

          • Captain Howdy

            No, you’re right.

            I forgot my roots for a minute

            Hey, check out my favorite Flipper video

            http://youtu.be/0WpbXsezIpI

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      O God! I understood that… Help me…..

      • Bella Legosi

        The world needs people like you to interpret! No worries, I am a wog and I got most of it!

      • Robert Eckert
        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I loved that episode! “Barrad, with sails unfurled!”

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Klaatu Barada Nikto

          http://www.hulu.com/watch/12602

          • Robert Eckert

            I always wanted to make a parody where she couldn’t remember the syllables. Uh… klaxon… nirvana… negro?

          • Missionary Kid

            Patricia Neal was one hell of an actress. She played her role in Hud to perfection.

            • Where’s Shelly?

              I liked her in Day the Earth Stood Still also.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s too bad her husband turned out to be such a good writer but a bad husband.

              Michael Leonard Tilse has the link to the Day the Earth Stood Still above, and that’s what got me started commenting on Patricia Neal.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’ve seen TDTESS at LEAST 20 times.

      • Captain Howdy

        Me too..and I was never in!..I’m fucked

      • music8r

        Sorry to say, so did I…. /crying…
        Back when I was new to the cult and learning all the acronyms I decided to turn it around on one of the other staff members who was quite adept. I was learning my way around the building and asked, “Where is the LGR?”
        He was perplexed for a moment then finally had to ask, “The what?”
        “The Little Girl’s Room!”

      • Interested

        Me too …… It’s gone too far…. Help!

      • cicely neville

        No Michael, it’s worse; I understood it. And I have never even seen an org, let alone a scilon. Aaaauuuuugghghghgh!

      • sugarplumfairy

        Me too.. Seriously, that is messed up..

    • FLUNK_101

      The significant thing to me was asking “How’re you DOING?”, instead of “How’re you FEELING?”
      “How are you feeling?” is considered to be “introverting.”

      • Missionary Kid

        May Xenu have mercey on your thetans.

      • Robert Eckert

        Derek’s latest video talks about that, the way Scientologists denigrate emotion and how hard it has been for him to regain normal feelings.

  • villagedianne

    Mary Sue had her pampered pooch. David Miscavige has a dog who he dresses in a Sea Org uniform and Miscavige makes people salute the dog.

    These dogs must be some powerful thetans. Maybe they have the fabled OTX powers that Miscavige has been searching for!

    • KJP in Portland

      If I were a subversive, free-thinking clam, I’d throw that mutt overboard! How dare, I, as a US military decorated VETERAN hear that people must salute a dog! I remember The Caine Mutiny film and the palm tree. That dog is most certainly evil (and probably OT VIII). I’d dispense with the dog, even being the hopless animal lover that I am. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!

      Parade rest!

      • KJP in Portland

        I like all of you guys here (survivors…yes that is what I feel you are, and the never-involved). Tony’s blog is my #2 site I visit when I fire up my computer. Just truly fascinating stuff. I can’t get enough of this corrupt, fraudulent, criminal organization’s ‘dirt”), and I am truly SO sorry many of you had to survive this Nazi-like dictatorship. Perhaps in the days before DM, it was a nicer place, but oh boy, what that lilliputian dingdong has created and expanded. I hope I haven’t offended anyone. Certainly NOT my intent. Only sympathy and empathy. And, my heart goes out to all of you here that were greatly affected. Humanity at its worst, RIGHT HERE IN THE USA! Wow…

        And where the hell is Shelly???

        • BananaSplits8

          Lilliputian dingdong needs to go in MK’s list.

        • i-Betty

          It’s great to have you here with us, KJP :)

      • Bella Legosi

        That is why I call DM, Little Boots! It disgusts me to no end how Co$ fake navy wear the uniform and salute a dog! What a disrespectful and disgusting act! It is a slap in the face to anyone who has ever really served.

        I wonder if someone inside Co$ or affiliated with them were a apart of the 1st Amendment case the Supreme Court dealt with a year or so ago. The one about people wearing military dress/uniform (complete with medals and rank bars) who had NEVER served, but it is their “right to free speech” that they dress and in effect claim they were in the service?

        Anyone who does that, in my mind, is a total douche bag. A really shitty person. IMO if you want to dress and act the part of someone in the military, I think you should AT LEAST go thru Basic! But, I wouldn’t want to encourage this delusion! Pisses me off and I have never served!

        • Unex Skcus

          Yep, riles me too. Tried to join the Aussie Navy at 15, but less than 100% eyesight meant that went nowhere. Have great regard for the men and women who serve/served in the Armed Forces.

        • Missionary Kid

          Imagine this: Clearwater has a Fleet Week, with the USN. I’d like to see some of the sea org walk into a bar in uniform. First, I’d let the real Navy know that the sea org is a fake navy.

          Would the $ci-bots would probably try to buy them off by buying everyone drinks, then recruiting them, or don’t they have any money to do it?

      • CraftLass

        I don’t know, I suspect that the dogs are the only ones around there that deserve a salute at all… ;-)

      • stanrogers

        Warning: Pedantry Ahead The palm tree was in Mr. Roberts.

        • Missionary Kid

          Another one of my favorite movies. Henry Fonda played it well, though I thought that Cagney was slightly miscast. He still did a good job.

          • Where’s Shelly?

            “Some of Ron’s adventures at sea were later made into a Hollywood film, “Mr. Roberts”, with the lead part played by Henry Fonda.”
            – A Short Biography of L. Ron Hubbard, “The Auditor” issue 63

            • Robert Eckert

              They appear to be claiming that the Fonda character was based on LRH. If anything in the movie refers to him, surely it is the Cagney character.

            • N. Graham

              Or maybe the palm tree, to commemorate the shelling of Mexico.

            • Missionary Kid

              That doesn’t ruin my liking the movie because I know that’s total bullshit. Leave it to the $cions to claim LRH was everywhere.

            • N. Graham
            • Missionary Kid

              *Chuckle* I forgot about that chapter, it’s been something like 15 years since I read it. Thanks.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        I think you should we should feel sorry for the poor dog. If Miscavige treats his dog the way he treats the people close to him, like his wife, that poor pooch is probably abused. Miscavige is such an egomaniac, he probably thinks the dog is disrespecting him if it shows affection to anyone, and just imagine Miscavige’s rage should his dog have an accident (which they all do at some time or another).

      • Where’s Shelly?

        You mentioned “palm tree.” I think you’re confusing Caine Mutiny with that one based on LRH, Mr. Roberts. In that one, James Cagney had a palm tree which he wouldn’t let anyone in the crew go near. Ensign Pulver throws it overboard at the end of the film.

        • Missionary Kid

          Mr. Roberts was NOT based on LRH. Read up on LRH’s naval career, and you’ll see that he was never within 2000 miles of the Western Pacific.

          If any of it was based on LRH, it would have been the asshole Captain, although what he was bad at was command decisions, and not how he treated his crew.

          http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/

          • Where’s Shelly?

            Jeez, I didn’t really think that LRH was the inspiration for Mr. Roberts. Next you’ll be telling me LRH never really went to heaven (twice!).

            • Missionary Kid

              Sorry, I’m just not familiar with your style yet. Occasionally, we get Indies here that still believe in LRH, even though they are thoroughly disenchanted with Co$ and DM.

              I tend to take things too seriously, so that’s why I came up with what I call the sarcasm brackets: { and }. Some people don’t like them, and other people use them. Example: The {church} of $ciontology.

            • N. Graham

              That’s cool. Actually, I felt there should be a “Where’s Shelly” avatar so I created it as a sock-puppet. But I’ve actually been around for a few years in the Bunker and the VV. Was even the subject of a Tony article on librarians and Scientology.

            • Missionary Kid

              Ahh, so you’ve got two avatars. If I’d seen N. Graham, I wouldn’t have responded that way. :P

        • KJP in Portland

          I stand corrected. And seen the film many times throughout my life. Ahh…age and memory, strange bedfellows…

  • TheWidowDenk

    I knew Leslie and Neville Potter. They visited our house once and I had worked with Leslie on Writers of the Future for a short time. I found it very interesting that after Dr Denk had passed, Neville contacted Megan Shields for any medical records I may have found at home for Mary Sue. I guess he couldn’t talk to me. Silly folks, I had already turned the records over to ASI.

    • RMycroft

      Any relation to Gavin Potter, who does those rah-rah presentation tours?

      • TheWidowDenk

        Not sure; someone more knowledgeable will have to answer your question. There were other Potters around and I have a feeling they were all related in some way or another.

    • TheWidowDenk

      Harley, our Bernese/Border Collie mix, out-lived his dad and made it to the ripe old age of 13 years. What a great dog he was …

      • Bruce Hines

        If I am remembering correctly, didn’t you have a couple of fabulous-looking Windhounds at one point? Or am I thinking about someone else? I saw them at Shaw Health Clinic one day.

        • TheWidowDenk

          Nope, we didn’t have Windhounds. Must have been someone else.

          • Bruce Hines

            OK, thanks.

      • ThetaBara

        Yeah, eleven isn’t spectacularly old, especially for smaller breeds with good nutrition and care.

        • TheWidowDenk

          I think Mary Sue’s dog was older than eleven. She was provided for for 10 1/2 years or so after Mary Sue’s death. We don’t know how old the dog was when Mary Sue died.

          • Where’s Shelly?

            My sister had a shih-tzu that lived to be 18. Was in great health and stayed active right to the end.

    • BosonStark

      Thanks Widow. Do you know what happened to Leslie and Neville Potter after Mary Sue died? They were both Sea Org members, right, and I assume man and wife? And did Neville just live on alone in Mary Sue’s house taking care of the dog for over a decade, and where was Leslie staying?

      • TonyOrtega

        I assumed that Leslie was also living in the house with Neville, but I didn’t get time to confirm it so I left her out of the story. I may have more info later about someone else in the house as well. Details can take time to shake out.

        • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

          Considering they are/were Scientologists, and how often Scientologist couples live apart, I think it’s good you didn’t assume Leslie was living with her husband in the story.

        • BosonStark

          Yeah, I thought it was kind of a gap in the story, and now Bruce Hines has filled in the details in a later post. While I’ve come to accept they paid PI’s millions to follow Pat Broeker around, I just wondered how a Sea Org member like Potter would live in this house taking care of this one little dog. I thought maybe he left the Sea Org. But they kept him busy doing other things.

          Nothing to do with Scientology, but I saw this 2013 documentary on the hippie cult THE SOURCE FAMILY and at one point there were 150 of them living in a 3 bedroom, 3 bath house. By Sea Org standards, the four or five living at the Mary Sue mansion was luxurious.

      • TheWidowDenk

        No, I don’t really know what happened to Leslie and Neville after Mary Sue died. Yes, both were Sea Org members and man & wife. I lost touch with Leslie in, I’m guessing, 2000/2001. I don’t think she worked at ASI any more as I didn’t see her around. That would have been before Mary Sue died in 2002. Thereafter, I wasn’t in touch with either of them. Dr Denk was likely in touch with one or both of them, but wouldn’t necessarily have had much to say about it. We’ll have to wait for Tony to shake out some details.

  • Gordon Freeman

    Good lookin’ house. Wouldn’t touch it though; not gonna put two and a half bucks in the hands of the church of clamology.

    • Missionary Kid

      The money doesn’t go to the {church}, but to Mary Sue’s kids. Apparently only one is involved with the cult.

      • Bob

        Yes,
        Arthur is not involved with the church. And Suzette seems to be disassociated as well. So only Diana seems to be a willing or not so willing prisoner at the base. If she got some extra cash hopefully she will escape.

      • ze moo

        The ‘church’ will get its cut, it always gets its cut. Or maybe the whole pie. Gotta save the planet you know….

  • Bella Legosi

    Don’t Mafioso reward their cohorts with houses after they have went to prison too?

    Just a thought………

  • Racnad

    Are any surviving members of Hubbard’s family active members of Scientology? What relationship does the Church currently have with them?

    • Robert Eckert

      Diana is still in, and is kept very much under wraps. Suzette and Arthur I think blew a long time ago.

  • nottrue

    how does Rieser keep that hair out of her mouth

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      She doesn’t. That is how she trims it.

      • Bella Legosi

        ewwwwww

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        …Helps with the bruxism.

        • Captain Howdy

          HaH!

      • Captain Howdy

        It’s a wig.

  • Bruce Hines

    I can add a bit of trivia to this post.

    Neville was a sea org member and he lived at that house since the early 80s. Administratively he was under ASI (Author Services, Inc.). He was a polite and pleasant Englishman. One of his main duties was to keep an eye on Mary Sue, monitor her moods, and report on such matters to higher-ups (like Norman Starkey and David Miscavige).

    Also living at that house, at least in the early 90s, were Leslie Potter, Neville’s wife; Ginny Hof, a long-time sea org member; and Het Saunders, another sea org member from New Zealand. I think it shows how worried dm was about Mary Sue, having four sea org members posted full time to live with her. She posed a potential threat to his power, as she had been number two to Hubbard in earlier years and she had a lot of people in the organization who looked up to her. In the 60s and 70s Hubbard himself was very praising of his wife for the roles she played in scientology management.

    Leslie worked at ASI as a registrar (fund raiser/sales person). The other two ladies performed household duties like shopping, cooking, cleaning, and the like. Neville was sort of the man around the house. He once humorously told me how a neighbor had wondered how he had four women living with him.

    One of Neville’s talents was engraving jewelry. He could calligraphy beautiful lettering or designs onto metal by hand with a Dremel-like tool. He also had audited Mary Sue during her legal troubles (i.e. after the Snow White bust) under the supervision of Mr. Hubbard. These sessions became the basis for a certain type of “NOTs auditing” to be done on a person who is physically ill and under a lot of stress. “NOTs” became “OT V” in 1982 and consists of more exorcism which begins at “OT III.”

    And, it is true, Mary Sue was very fond of her dog.

    • Studious Judious

      It looked like a nice place to live, until you put 5 people in the house.

      Why would ASI need a registrar? (geniunely curious)

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        They sold a lot of “LRH Properties” like leather bound ‘mission earth’ books and ‘special editions’ of his old yarns. Also sold some Frazetta prints based on mission earth. I was so disappointed that Frazetta was associated.

        So that was fundraising and probably a lot went into DM’s ‘investments’. So they would need a Reg trained in the abusive mind rape sales tech to extract thousands of dollars in return for kitschy items worth peanuts.

        • Captain Howdy

          I have a best friend that’s going to be crestfallen to find out there’s a Frazetta/scientology connection. I can’t wait to tell him.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            To be fair, he was probably schmoozed into it and Thought he was supporting the arts.

            • Robert Eckert

              *meh* He was just making a living. Most of the sci-fi he was hired to draw art for was serious dreck. Theodore Sturgeon once opened a talk at a sci-fi convention saying “90% of science fiction is crap”; after the gasps subsided, he explained, “That’s because 90% of everything is crap” and went on to discuss how the classical music we listen to is a tiny subset of the mostly craptastic music produced back then, etc. So some of the artwork he did for yet another batch of awful sci-fi books was reprinted and made him more money? Why would he turn that down?

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Yes, I agree. If they paid him. They probably got him to ‘donate’ his work to support the “artists of the future” competition, companion to the ‘writers of the future” contest.

            • Robert Eckert

              Maybe Widow Denk could clarify. I would have taken it for granted that he was paid.

            • TheWidowDenk

              I’m sure Frank Frazetta was paid for his original artwork. I only suspect it was done by contract and covered prints as well. No, Frank didn’t “donate” his work to support the Illustrators of the Future Contest. As a judge, he received a token payment (under $200.00) every time he judged. And, he probably judged two or three times a year. He was a super nice guy and very enjoyable to work with.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Thank you TheWidowDenk. I’m glad he was paid. And nice to know he was super nice. I really enjoyed his paintings from all of Science Fiction and Fantasy, not just hubbard’s.
              I’ll re-adjust my skepticism a bit.

            • TheWidowDenk

              Yes, I was amazed when I Googled the Frank Frazetta gallery this morning at the volume of his work and the varied markets. I remain a strong fan and friend.

            • Captain Howdy

              CREEPY, EERIE & VAMPIRELLA…. FTW!

              My FAV

          • TheWidowDenk

            Reassure your friend the connection was low key. Frank was a really nice person and a great artist!

          • Where’s Shelly?

            Not Frazetta!

        • Studious Judious

          By chance was one of these prints of Soltan Gris on a futuristic motorcycle? Very much pink/red in color?

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Maybe. I don’t remember that one. I remember the one of a nearly nude Countess Krak with a tiger. Very lush.

            • RMycroft

              None of Heller smoking Krak?

            • Where’s Shelly?

              Good memory!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              That’s the ONE!

            • GlibWog

              Absolutely Gorgeous.. Wow

          • Robert Eckert
          • TheWidowDenk

            Studious Judious – Google is your friend. Google Frank Frazetta and you can find not only a full gallery of his work but his history.

      • TheWidowDenk

        OK, I’ll try to field your question. ASI would need a registrar to sell special edition prints, special edition books, etc. The purpose was to generate income for “preservation of the tech.”

        That house is more than large enough for five people!

      • Bruce Hines

        ASI sold stuff. Like prints of Frank Frazetta illustrations and those of other artists (Mission Earth book covers, and the like). I don’t know all the details, but I think they also sold special editions of Hubbard works. There were also ongoing efforts to get Hubbard fiction books into bookstores, but I don’t know if Leslie was involved in that.

        • Where’s Shelly?

          Some more of Frazetta used for Scientology projects:

          • TheWidowDenk

            I’m pretty sure that top artwork is for Final Blackout. The other three are on Writers of the Future volumes.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Definitely on Final Blackout.

            • Where’s Shelly?

              That one’s officially called “The Lieutenant.”

          • Robert Eckert

            In that second one, it looks hardly at all like a DC-8

      • Where’s Shelly?

        I wonder how many were living just with Tzu after Mary Sue died? Might have been crowded with five people but for a shiatsu it would be adaquate I’m sure, especially when Mary Sue took off for Target Two. That’s kind of poetic-Mary Sue left for Target Two leaving her shiatsu.

        • Robert Eckert

          Pedanty warning: “shiatsu” is a style of massage; the dog-breed is “shih-tzu”

          • Marie Claire Wolf

            Very pedant says : ‘Pedant warning’…

            • Robert Eckert

              It was supposed to be Pedantry. I won’t edit it, for the irony’s sake.

            • stanrogers

              That’s just Muphry’s Law in action.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Shiatsu Shih-Tzus are the Shi-Tz

          • Where’s Shelly?

            Damn spell check. I fixed it. Thanks.

    • TonyOrtega

      Thanks, Bruce. That’s not trivia, that’s key info.

      • Captain Howdy

        Nothing Bruce has to say about scientology could ever be considered “trivia”.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Here’s a few more details, some of Chuck Beatty’s posts from several years ago. Ginny was MLO (Medical Liason Officer) who took over for Jim Dinalci for MLO duties. I can’t help wonder if Ginny had one of the scientologist chiropractors or DO’s “treating” Mary Sue’s cancer, along with Neville “auditing” her cancer away. Very sad. Mary Sue might have had a chance for more years and I hate to think of anyone suffering.

      Does anyone know if Argent Jewelry is still in existence? I also cringe at thinking how Miscavige is probably already counting all the ways he will “reg” Diana for her share of the property sale. I wonder if there’s a clause that she has to physically show up in someone’s legal offices to get the check (although that’s not a necessity in these types of cases).

      http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27610-HISTORY-The-quot-royal-footstool-quot-category-top-elite-people-attending-LRH-and-MSH

      http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=29488&start=15

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      We in RTC sec checked Neville Potter recently and discovered that, like Lassie, there were actually several Tzu’s. When the original Tzu died in 2003, Neville replaced the dog with others so that he could stay in the home rent free for as long as possible. Neville is commended for thinking like a true Scientology executive.

      • Jgg2012

        Actually, Tzu’s thetan kept coming back in the bodies of newborn puppies over and over again. Only after being exposed to Angry Gay Pope and other wogs did the Thetan lose its ability to keep coming back.

  • Spackle Motion

    On an unrelated note (and one that I’m sure Tony lurves to have posted here):

    Did anyone else notice that the Scientology Celebrities WordPress blog has been severely altered today? There are multiple posts from 7/8 and 8/3 that were deleted and there’s some strange strikeout text on the 8/3 post. Me thinks that WordPress got some love notes from a Clam Legal Goon. The comments are also frozen.

    Although they post a lot of unsubstantiated bullshit, it is a guilty pleasure like reading about the Bat Boy in the Weekly World News. I hope they pop up at another blog site if they are being censored.

    • http://scamofscientology.nl/ scamofscientology

      I checked the site a few times in the past hour. And in fact, your edit is not entirely correct either. Initially they changed the header to ‘Tony Ortega, all of our silly rumors have now been permanentely laid to rest’. At the moment, it’s stating what you are saying.

      Make what you want out of it. My guess: the folks running the blog are well meaning but a tad immature. I wonder if they’ll really bail out or whether we’ll see them return. I hope they’ll return – it was good fun reading their posts.

      • noseinabk
        • Robert Eckert

          Copying their post that “explains” their disappearance, in case that post itself disappears:

          We always knew that Tyler Shields was close with his mommy (Martha Shields), but we never knew they were so close that she’d fight his battles!!! We hope Francesca wakes the fuck up & dumps this inbred white trash family.

          We were going to offer to make a deal, that we’d lay off her idiot son if fessed up & admitted being a Scilon fraud, but she’s clearly nuts. What she also doesn’t realise is that Fraser has known about us from the start & has written over a dozen KRs on this site & so have several other Scilons who we’ve talked about. OSA has made clear that they won’t try to have this blog deleted because they think they can figure out who we are eventually (they already found our man in the HGB who had a nervous breakdown awhile ago & blew the first chance he got fresh air — only reason he got discovered was because he went nuts & admitted to this & other “crimes” while on the meter) so they figure the rest of us will be found out these next few months.

          Martha, take your meds & chill — only a really few loyal readers bother to take us seriously (thanks for your support!) & the rest of the anti-Scilon crowd hate our guts & some other lunatics actually think we’re a covert Scientology operation or have some other ulterior motives. So join the fucking club. We’ve given up trying to convince anyone & the only reason we bother is because of the few loyal readers who care enough to make this worthwhile.

          You wanna come after us? Bring it on you trailer trash hick — we’re already in hell, so any attention you bring us from the “attorney general” (if you’re fucking serious) will only expose our situation in the Sea Org & bring the Feds down on Scientology & help expose the crimes of your son & his boyfriend Fraser.

          Not to mention help wake Francesca up & get her the fuck away from your tentacles!

          Here’s Martha Shields in her own words, raw & real:

          London is where you are! Tyler will be there this week. Make sure he pulls all records regarding your vile site, magazine whatever you are, fucks yer ass & left you dead. Yea should of figured immediately you were not in the US. However, I am still contacting attorney general so you get fucked with a ten foot pole.

          You know so much, there is no Clint and Dina anymore! Clint told Dina she a whore, dumped her taco burrito ass! Hahaha Dina, fucking slut!

          You piece of white trash idiots, LIARS, not one shred of this is true. Tyler might let this roll of his back but I will not. I am going to show the attorney general this bullshit and then I am coming after you via attorneys, you so fucked you fucking faggots. When we meet face to face you cocksucking faggot idiot, please make sure you repeat one sentence of this homo garbage. I’m slutty white trash, you idiot you watched that stupid show that was edited. I am not slutty white trash!!!!! However, I would rather be that, than the vile piece of faggot buttsuckign crap this is.

          WTH, who is hiding behind this slandering garbage!!!!!! Come out with your name or business name! I am Tyler Shields mother and I can assure anyone reading this faggot ass garbage that Tyler has never drank or done any kind of drugs. He can’t even stand being around cigarettes. He is also not bisexual, never sucked a dick, not that I would care if was or if he fucked ass, he is not. As far as him belonging to Scientology, no he is Catholic! Know all his girlfriends and he is not hiding in any closet. Tyler was raised in a str8 home with no drugs or drinking, no faggot ass shit, no fag porn, which a few producers thought entertaining to appear otherwise!!! He has worked hard and gets a lot “crap” from faggots like you. He lets it roll of his back, because he knows articles written like this are by people who are really guilty of being trash and haters. Appears you hate everyone, successful people. If he was a gay cocksucker (he is not) he would be proud of it. I would actually kind of like it if he was, I would probably see him more and don’t have to deal with bitch girlfriends. But he not faggot, never cruised, never hustled! As far as Fraser, I have met him a few times and he does not appear to be anything like you are accusing him of. He was very nice and professional, I do not know if he is a member of scientology, but if he is that is his business, not yours so fuck you faggots. Who is faggot buttmunching scientologycelebrity? Oh, do you not have attorneys on retainer you faggot cocksuckers? What country are you in? Come on answer some questions please. Just humor me, you chickenshit fags, bend over open wide, come on real reporters back up their stories by proving that they are fact not hiding like taco faggs. Oh, and as far as Tyler hustling, bullshit! His father and I supported him in his career until he was making a good living. He never drank smoked or sucked dick.I saw every charge, every atm withdraw, checks the works. Does not jive with what you write. But, thanks for the laugh are family will have a good time with this. As far as Fraser, he is a kind generous person, as far as I have seen. So, I do not know what he will think about this, I hope nothing. But you faggots are dead. When find you I will kill you choke you on your own blood! You think you mess with my son you get away with it so easy???? I will find you and kill you!

          • Interested

            Good GGOD !, I am speechless.

          • WhereIsSHE

            That was.. just nuts. Talk about homophobia.
            But… jjust pointing this out: that post was dated July 8, 2013, and they have entered more recent posts, so I don’t think that was meant as a “buh-bye” (a la David Spade for the Total Bastard Airlines SNL skit)

            • Robert Eckert

              Ah, I see. It was the most recent post left after they erased everything from these past few weeks. I got a mistaken impression that this threatened litigation might be the reason for the shutdown.

          • mouseyhair

            Who are the characters in this post, “Tyler and Martha.” Or direct me somewhere. I missed this altogether, having never read the blog.

            • Robert Eckert

              Tyler Shields is a photographer who steals ideas from better photographers. Martha is his mom. Posts at the blog questioning whether his relationship to his business partner Fraser might be sexual sparked this explosion. The blog frequently alleged that Tom Cruise was upset by how much time Cruise and Bella were spending in Tyler and Fraser’s company, and warned Clint Eastwood’s daughter against hanging out with them as they were supposedly trying to get her into the cult.

              http://tylershieldsexposed.tumblr.com/

            • mouseyhair

              Thanks. Dang I am sorry I missed all the fun!

          • Once_Born

            “Other lunatics actually think we’re a covert Scientology operation or have some other ulterior motives”.

            Speaking as of those lunatics who suspected this, I now have to concede that the site in question is probably the work of a sadly unbalanced individual – one who, ironically is doing the CofS a favour by providing the with an example of a ranting, bigoted, inaccurate critic to point to.

            It did seem a unlikely that the CofS would have the subtly to hire an outsider to do this… but now they don’t have to – this person is doing it for them.

            PS: is an online threat to kill a criminal offence in the US?

      • Captain Howdy

        Agree with your edit point cuz I was already thinking that earlier.

      • USA MRIID

        Someone is a tad immature on the Internet?! Holy fuck, that’s damn unusual! :)

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Very Interesting.

    • Sidney18511

      I would hate to se them go. I took them at face value, that they are who they say they are. Sure they must be young, but WHAT BALLS they have to pull off a scam like that! Putting up with all the SO shit, but keeping their ears and eyes open and getting the story out about how CRAZY this cult really is. I imagine that after risking so much to run their blog they felt disrespected. I hope they snap out of it and continue.

      • TonyOrtega

        Imagine your disappointment when you finally learn it was an old-time critic (pre-Anonymous) just pretending all along. Bummer.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          LOL! You have probably known this the whole time.

          • Captain Howdy

            Of course.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              LMFAO…………Steve Fishman!!!!

            • Captain Howdy

              GOAL!!!

        • Captain Howdy

          LOL.. Was it Steve Fishman? ; )

          • ThetaBara

            I doubt it. Insufficiently rabid.

        • Sidney18511

          Really?? Un-f-n-believable!! They had me believing they were real SO staff. Oh man, I guess I’m just really easy to dupe. Feeling foolish…but it surely was entertaining while it lasted!

        • Mrs Libnish

          :slow golf clap: Well kudos to them…I thoroughly enjoyed it, fact or fiction. That rape story was hardcore though. I certainly hope that was fiction, as well.

    • Unex Skcus

      Sad. No matter who wrote the blog, I liked it, although at times it was a tad rough for me.

    • Jon Hendry

      The header suggests they got butthurt when Tony wrote this, above: “We hope this once and for all puts this silly rumor to rest.”

    • Eivol Ekdal

      They seem to take offence at the phrase “Old Time Critic”. Is this not the same as “Long Standing Critic”?
      How is this anything other than a term of respect? Very strange brain fart style writing and reactions on that site.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    I’d like Ms. Rieser to leave me her wig when she drops her meat body.

  • Bella Legosi

    Just got done reading the May 10th post at the $cilon Celeb blog……..It occurred to me that if this is somewhat true or wholly true (about staff meetings held where Tony is the subject for Fair Game) would that explain in part “Freedom” mags “investigating journalist” job ad?

    lol They think they can destroy Tony’s credibility…….HA HA HAHAHA…….wow……you know it might benefit OSA to get the hell out of the bubble every now and then. Maybe then they can realize just how f**king retarded they sound! This really is like watching a one legged cat bury a turd!

    Good luck with that OSA. Because, Public’s, Indies, and Wogs everywhere know what the hell “Freedom” magazine is and totally respect it for their fine “investigative” journalism, objectivity, and integrity! Hell, they are right behind FOX news in the honesty department! You must know by now that your efforts to Fair Game Mr. Ortega are really futile and only serve to show just how deluded you are in this cult? Just saying…….for an organization that claims they believe in the “science of knowing” you are woefully ignorant of the really real world, how it works, and things such as reputation. Word clear that one okay? Becuase your reputation is lower then dog piss. Last time I checked (since you LOVE stats) 75% of Americans don’t even consider your “religion” a religion.
    >P

    • Sidney18511

      Bella….I think that the scion celeb blog has closed up shop, which would be a damn shame. I posted a message on ESMB to tell them not to give up, maybe if others send them the same message they will continue. I would hate to see them go! They are the first and only group to scam the clams.

      • WhereIsSHE

        Not sure about that. In fact, I believe it was their recent post of 8/3/13 (this past Saturday) which posed questions about recent activity at 2345 Chistlehurst Drive, and which Tony answered today.

        I enjoy reading over there for the sheer pleasure of imagining the internal paranoia they create;)

      • Where’s Shelly?
      • aquaclara

        It does look like they closed up. Read the headline on their site now. It mentions Tony and Davey. The home page is gone, as is the ability to add comments. It was a fun romp while it lasted. Do you think they got caught?

  • music8r

    That was the last shred of decency worth holding onto. I’m glad the pup lived well.

  • Victoria Pandora

    And as for Hubbard throwing his wife under the bus, which has been known for some time, Bill Franks added some fascinating detail:

    “Hubbard had me and Miscavige and a few others interview Mary Sue… and… we had a van outside that was taping all this. And, basically, it was to get as much incriminating – to get her to incriminate herself as much as possible, and this would be, through a circumlocutious manner, fed to the government.”

    Tom Smith/Interviewer: “And this was Hubbard’s idea?”

    Bill Franks: “This was from L. Ron Hubbard to set up his wife. Right.”

    • USA MRIID

      And for that, Hubbard won the much coveted Humanitarian Of The Year Award handed out to only special Thetans by the Scientology crime syndicate. Congrats, L. Ron Hubbard!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      So Miscavige, and Hubbard both interpreted the Utilitarian concept of “the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics” as “the greatest good for L. Ron. Hubbard or David Miscavige.” Even if, somehow, the church defends its betrayal of Hubbard’s wife as “the greatest good for the church,” it still misses the boat. At the end of the day, using the Utilitarian theory Hubbard adopted wholesale, the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics, or people, means reducing suffering. Since there is only suffering in Miscavige’s wake, maybe it’s time for the members of the church to stop listening to his words, and start realizing the enormous amount of suffering Miscavige has caused, and is causing, and stop it.

    • cicely neville

      Scenes from a Marriage: “Honey, would you do me a big favor? Would you drop by the Federal Pen for a few years? It would really save me some time – ” “Oh sure love, I’ll do it on my way to the store.” “See you later, then. Muah!”

      If Neville ever blows i wonder if he could tell how Mary sue felt about it all.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I keep noticing how much Shelly looks like Mary Sue.

    • RMycroft

      Especially in the photos where she’s dressed in 50s-style clothes.

    • Kitz

      I noticed that as well. Kinda creepy really…

  • dbloch7986

    Rowlingesque – HA…love it

    Is anyone going to be protesting the Gala? I know that they tend to have all kinds of shrubbery (see video).

    Anyway, let me know. I’d love to be there if that’s the case.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg

  • USA MRIID

    “After that, they moved around in the US until a 1977 FBI raid ensnared Mary Sue in a subsequent criminal prosecution.”

    I always thought that Hubbard would have let Mary Sue hide out with him on the lam, if he really wanted her to. Instead Hubbard threw her to the wolves, let her take the fall, used her as a patsy, kept Hubbard from going to prison himself.

  • USA MRIID

    Tzu would have lived longer with Dianetic auditing.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Or NOT(S).

  • USA MRIID

    “And now you can too, for around two and a half million clams.”

    ROFL! I see what you did right the fuck there! :) LOL.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    What’s in a name? Quite a bit according to Mark Twain, “..it must be intensely annoying to the spirit of a defunct warrior to know that, after having laid down his life for fame, his name has been misspelt in the papers.”. (But he also wrote, “We called him Barney for short. We couldn’t use his real name, there wasn’t time.”)

    • Studious Judious

      I loved Innocents Abroad.

  • Sherbet

    Just popping in to comment on Tony’s spelling corrections. So, Tony, you think those names never will be misspelled in the Bunker again? How optimistic you are! But, just for trying, I’m going to award you a commemorative Red Correction Pencil, in honor of my equally pedantic, circa 1965, English teacher. Oh, what a heavy hand she had with that red pencil. Not on my papers, of course. It’s not burlwood, but it will do.

    • TonyOrtega

      One does what one can.

      • dbloch7986

        They’re, there, their Tony… Eventually we’ll get the hang of it.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Speak for your, you’re yerself.

          • Missionary Kid

            I would, in days of yore.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Hwat did I mised?

    • sizzle8

      Kinder than the ‘Board of Education’ used on our cabooses at our school!

      • Sherbet

        Whoa! and Ouch!

    • Aslansown

      I guess I’m pedantic too, because I have to restrain myself when people misuse two, to and too, and it’s and its.

      • cicely neville

        The one that drives me crazy – and I’ve seen it right here at the Bunker – is ‘loose’ and ‘lose’. Apparently, in the last decade, the population of the US has LOST the ability to tell the difference.

        If I see it here again, I am sending a Squirrel Buster to your house, whoever you are!

        • Missionary Kid

          Would you like to go to the store with the two of us, too? Just don’t lose your loose change.

          • cicely neville

            I’ll go there if their prices are good and they’re nice to the customers.

            (WHAT IS IT WITH EVERYBODY TODAY? Is this National Silliness Day?)

            • Robert Eckert

              New moon, closing Ramadan (the great pig-out called Eid al-Fitr will be celebrated by Muslims all over soon), at the halfway point between summer solstice and autumn equinox (formerly celebrated by Celtic pagans as Lughnasa, by jumping over bonfires, although modern pagans tend to hold it on August 1 for convenience).

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKwqBzrHDww

            • dbloch7986

              Are you pagan?

            • Robert Eckert

              I used to have a home-brew religion but I haven’t done any of the ceremonies in a very long time, although I still keep the calendar.

            • Missionary Kid

              40 years ago I used to brew my own beer, too. ;-)

            • Mark

              At least we should be spared the extra-intense silly-season next year, as Ramadan regularly slips back by just over a week each year (for a supposedly inerrant religion, Islam has a really gimcrack calendar).

            • Missionary Kid

              Ah, a shopper after my own heart.

              Here in the Bunker, every day is National Silliness Day. It comes with all the Joking and Degrading that goes on here.

              If it weren’t for all the harm Co$ has done, it wouldn’t be necessary to be as silly as we sometimes get, and we wouldn’t be as silly as we get as a counterpoint to the misery aand suffering that the cult has caused. For some people, it’s a way of blowing off steam, and the thing that I appreciate here is that this is basically an unmoderated site, yet, there’s very little ad hominem stuff that goes on, but a lot of good good natured kidding.

            • cicely neville

              When reading the Bunker I’m often reminded of Lincoln’s words: “If I didn’t laugh once in a while, I’d cry all the time.”

            • Missionary Kid

              Amen.

        • Aslansown

          Me too!!! I feel your pain! My best friend has problems with most of these things and I like her so much I try to hold my tongue. Sometimes, though, my inner pendant comes out.

          • Robert Eckert

            “Pedant” not “pendant”! As I have already demonstrated today, there is nothing more embarrassing than being pedantic and slipping up.

            • Aslansown

              Aaaaack! How embarrassing! I was going too fast — I’ve edited it so it’s correct!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              See what happens to all you pedantic zealots!

              Karma sneaks up on your asses with a big old red pen of her own!
              hehehe

            • Captain Howdy

              The planet is rapidly dying and these geeks are worried about proper grammar!

              And I do love these geeks..but..

            • cicely neville

              Mess up meanings, you mess with the ability to communicate. lrh, like all demagogues, knew that cold. So, yes, we are sticklers for what you could call grammatical environmentalism, trying to clean up language pollution.

            • 1subgenius

              And if you really slip up you commit pederasty.

        • Observer

          I posted before I read this, but I don’t think it can be said too often.

      • stillgrace

        Don’t forget “Hear, hear” vs. “Here, here!” The former is correct.

        • Missionary Kid

          Not when you’re getting someone to throw you some money. ;-)

        • Observer

          The one that burns my toast is lose/loose.

          • 1subgenius

            Probably already posted, but “should of, or could of” gets me.

            I asked a musician acquaintance (he won an Oscar and Grammy with Eminem, only lives a few blocks away), a really sweet and wonderful guy, to autograph the vinyl album he had for sale at a local show of his own material.

            “How do you want me to sign it?” he said.

            “Sign it ‘I couldn’t have done it without you’”, I said, as a joke.

            He did, amazingly enough, but he wrote “couldn’t of” instead.

            I still treasure it.

            And now every time I get something signed I ask them to “Sign it ‘I couldn’t have done it without you’”. Mostly it gets a laugh.

            • Robert Eckert

              The problem is that we don’t really say couldn’t have. In the positive, the contraction could’ve correctly indicates what we are saying, but for the negative, couldn’t’ve with the double apostrophe just doesn’t look right.

          • cicely neville

            ‘Burns my toast’ – good one, Obs.
            Your flea shoop is beyond praise, BTW. Or beyond something. Words fail me.

            • Observer

              It wasn’t really a shoop–I just superimposed the sketch over Hubbard. It really is creepy how close they match.

      • Sherbet

        I have an ethnic name, and I like it to be spelled correctly, so I’m a stickler about spelling other people’s names correctly. If I’m pedantic, I’m proud of it.

        • Mark

          My bugbear is about people who start their answers to questions with “So…”. Increasingly prevalent among ‘spokespersons’ being interviewed on TV or radio. Grr!

          • Anonymookme

            YES! Why are they all doing that?
            It’s as bad as the new, all purpose adjective for anything that is on a slightly larger scale than normal-MASSIVE!
            The news readers have so over used that word “massive” that it means as much as Sciloon language=nothing. Every storm is “massive”, every uprising is “massive”, every shake up in every institution is now a “massive’ shake up.
            So, what might be causing this massive annoyance?

            • Mark

              I think it might be the sort of bargain-basement media/PR courses these cretins get sent on (likely because everyone else in their office hates them). They soak up a load of hogwash about being “assertive” and “memorable” – and all end up sounding exactly the same.

              And what about “passion” and “passionate” being misused for “enthusiasm” and “impassioned”? Growl!

            • Robert Eckert

              The annoyance is of a new order of magnitude!

            • Mark

              Aaargh! Irregardless of health and safety, you’re trying to make us boom as never heard before straight up and vertical!

          • Minion Gayle

            I blame that on Moon Unit Zappa.

            • Missionary Kid

              Duh, like she only got it from Valley Girls, totally.

            • Mark

              There’s a theory it started among Microsoft employees, so they’d sound more ‘motivated’ whenever Gates asked them a question.

              Or else there’s the gruesome Bill Lumbergh in Office Space: “Ah, ah, I almost forgot… I’m also going to need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too. We, uhhh, lost some people this week and we sorta need to play catch-up. Mmmmmkay? Thaaaaaanks.”

            • Minion Gayle

              I don’t know, I still think it all started with “Like, ohmigawd, groddy to the max!” “Okay, fine, fer sure, fer sure.”

              Not that I spent anytime at all in high school memorizing the lyrics or anything. *inpecting fingernails*

            • N. Graham

              Gnarly.

      • aboutandout

        there….their….they’re are my pet peeves

        • Artoo45

          Those are bad, but the misuse of “bring” and “take” drives me nuts.

      • ThetaBara

        They’re in there with their bear. There!

        • Robert Eckert

          I can’t bare it!

          • ThetaBara

            Take it off!!!

          • Andrew Robertson

            Mary had a little bear
            To which she was so kind.

            And everywhere that Mary went,
            You saw her bare…..walking along beside her.

            Andrew

    • MissCandle

      Bank examiners use the blue end of the mechanical pencil.

      • SopranoAscends

        I use a red Sharpie…

      • aquaclara

        Bank regulators rely on the sharp end of the MOU (Memorandum of Understanding).

    • Artoo45

      I thought it was a kick, but I must get all SIWOTI and point out that he did misuse “bereft” in the title which means sad or desolate, not dead.

  • Snippy_X

    Tony, if only you had been my spelling teacher in grade school … I tried, but it never would stick, backen when they didn’t get visual learners. I think also maybe you weren’t born yet.

  • dbloch7986

    Speaking of dogs. I miss this guy. He was my best bud. I don’t even know if he’s still alive. I should have abducted him when I moved out of my parents’ house. :(

    • aquaclara

      You’re making me cry again, Derek. Sorry about your little friend here. He is very cute.

      • dbloch7986

        It makes me teary-eyed too. I miss him. That tiny little guy used to take up my entire bed at night. I would wake up with my face pressed against the wall. Don’t ask me how he did it.

        • aquaclara

          It’s the magic of dogs…small or big, they snuggle well and manage to convince you that the entire bed is theirs. My dog is napping under my desk right now, with his head on my feet. He is patiently waiting for me to move, so he can nab me to go play Frisbee with him.

  • aquaclara

    “Scientology Celebrities & Human Rights

    ~ Tony Ortega & Mr. Miscavige, all of our silly rumors have now been permanently laid to rest.”
    The Scientologycelebrity wordpress site changed their heading today to say this. And they removed their home page.
    Anybody know what happened?

  • dbloch7986

    Also in case anyone didn’t catch it, I put up a new video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHRv3zBLTJY

    Ex-Scientologist: Things Scientologists Don’t LIke to Talk About

    • Missionary Kid

      Welcome to feelings, Derek.

      You’re doing the best thing possible in memory of your nana and aunt B.: being human and experiencing all of the emotions the rest of humanity, as well as being open to people.

      When do you get our contributions? Put your website out there again, please.

    • Nevermore

      Don’t rub your eye when your allergies are irritating it – you’ll only make it worse! ;-)

  • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

    It’s good of you to have a go Tony, but I really think it’s up to David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige to provide the answer to the question on everyone’s lips

    W H E R E _ I S _ S H E L L Y

    Word of the mystery has even reached England with The IndescribablyBoring (sorry, “The Independent”) talking about Leah Remini’s upcoming book http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/king-of-queens-star-leah-remini-plans-to-write-tellall-scientology-memoir-8747289.html

    • Mark

      Quite a lot of us went over there yesterday after some $ciloon clod upset i-Betty, by posting snotty remarks on Leah Remini in the comments. Beware the Bunker gang! ;-)

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Off the subject (although Gagging Orders and Signing your Rights Away is always legit scientology fodder)..
    Spotted this paragraph in story covering environmental lawsuit where the family including very young children had to agree to lifetime gags for any damages or health problems they might encounter later on:

    “First and most importantly, the gag order probably isn’t legally enforceable. It’s one of those rare times when your gut reaction of “Holy hell there’s NO GODDAMN WAY that is legal!” actually aligns with the jurisprudential reality. There isn’t much case law on the subject, but apparently parents can’t sign away their kids’ rights forever, except to Scientology.”

    http://wonkette.com/524753/gag-reflex-big-gas-tries-to-get-kids-to-shut-the-frack-up

    • dbloch7986

      Yikes, that hits really close to home for me.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I thought of you when I read it. But it won’t be long now till you are in a Real home starting a new adventure. I hope you get puppy somewhere in that journey too!

  • Racnad

    It would be fascinating to read the terms of this trust. I wonder how much control the beneficiaries (Hubbard’s kids) actually have over the house, the proceeds of the upcoming sale, and any other assets the trust might contain.

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      Big being DM has his greedy fingers in every pie to be sure ;-)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Miscavige’s Other worst nightmare:

      All the Hubbard family, Diana, Suzette, Arthur, all their many children and grandchildren (not including the family tree here of Hubbard Other wives that did not exist), all under one roof, in a lawyers office.
      Suzette and Guy had a foreclosure on their home in May 2010. I wondered if they had to live in a doghouse. Can you imagine knowing that within a few miles away from the home they lost that a dog was living like a king? The children of these 3 are young adults now. I’d love to see them just take charge of their parents and yell “Wake up and Snap Out of It!”, take the money and Diana and go live in the islands, buy up a little cabana and forget about it. The grandkids can throw away the demo kits and play in the sand all day long.

  • Brainslugged

    I’m glad you didn’t go for “Miscarriage” and “Miscavige”. I wouldn’t have wanted to see the picture: a stomach-churning tiny little not-yet fully-formed person that shouldn’t have been born… and a miscarriage.

  • media_lush

    off topic but I think a lot of people here will enjoy this….. I was pretty much fascinated for the whole time it runs…. there’s a little bit in the middle that could be interpreted as thetans but otherwise it makes what Hubbard dreamt up look like that of a feeble mind of a secluded child…. amazing stuff really well put together

    http://youtu.be/uAm-kbzT7xw

    • ze moo

      All it lacks are Bigfoot and Elvis on the mothership. Just another secret knowledge scam. Atlantis?? Lemuria? What on Illuminati??

      • media_lush

        you haven’t got there yet…. they’re mentioned as well; surprisingly I find all of this considerably more believable than scientology

        • Minion Gayle

          I think I just got to the Thetans.

          • media_lush

            they look like angry sperm

            • dbloch7986

              That sounds like a sight to behold….

        • WhereIsSHE

          Huh??! You believe that ancient Hebrews were really space aliens FROM THE FUTURE??! lol!

          BTW: The authors are from some institute which is a branch of the International Society for KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS.

          CULT.

          • Robert Eckert

            It samples every bit of woo-woo I’ve ever heard: Zachariah Sitchin’s bogus Sumerian, the “Naacal” masters from Colonel Churchward’s lost continent of Mu, except transported to Blavatsky’s Lemuria and then to Atlantis (and mispronounced, with accent on the wrong syllable, much as “merkaba” from the Cabalah is mispronounced), plus Edgar Cayce, and the Grey aliens, and the Face on Mars, plus garbled use of scientific terminology of course.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Exactly.
              Too bad for all the woo-woo-lovers that we have evolutionary biologists who can scientifically explain the history without resorting to woo-woo!

            • Robert Eckert

              When PZ Myers visits, we have to show him this link.

          • media_lush

            “Huh??! You believe that ancient Hebrews ”

            …. no, I said: “I find all of this considerably more believable than scientology”

            • WhereIsSHE

              Yeah. I got that! I was kidding you by making fun of the nonsense in the video!

            • WhereIsSHE

              I mean… OTIII is BRIEF by comparison… and I love to poke fun at Hubbard’s utter b.s. as much as the next person…
              But I find this to be equally ridiculous!!!
              I couldn’t decide if this was a spoof or if these guys really believe this crap… until I read up on it a bit and found the link to the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.

              Glad you posted it though. Gave me several lulz tonight!

    • Mark

      Oy gevalt! Hebrew comes from the future? A solid hour of rehashed Graham Hancock and David Icke, more like!

    • dbloch7986

      Oh lord. It sounds almost exactly like Hubbard. Someone else is looking to start a cult.

    • Minion Gayle

      So, men really are from Mars.

      • WhereIsSHE

        Yeah… the older, creepier men in their, like, 60s.. all angry and stuff.. who like messing with (and engaging in war with?!) 12 yr old girls, supposedly! WTH!!!

        Why are religious fanatics so troubled by REAL SCIENCE???
        Because REAL SCIENCE (particularly BIOLOGY) disproves a ton of the foundation to their b.s.!
        So they make up crazy shit and do their best to make it as confusing as possible, and sadly, instead of doing the actual research and learning how packed with blatant lies and half-truths and utter nonsense the religious crap is, some people just prefer to be deceived!

        What a crazy world!!!

    • Artoo45

      Okay. I made it past the crap about how we can’t make the pyramids today. I made it as far as the tired old tripe about the Dogons. Then my head hurt too much from headdesking. Batshit crazy is hardly LRH’s domain alone.

  • Jeb Burton

    This story reminds me of Leona Helmsley. She left her dog $12 million in her will. A judge later knocked that down to $2 million. The caretaker of the mutt said later he could care for it for $100,000 a year, with cost for food, housing, security and of course his fee for caring for it. I think this just goes to show that LRH and the people who were around him are bat shit crazy. I wonder if the church will take care of the guy who was taking care of the dog? Sounds like good work if you can get it. I would of been bringing in younger dogs and make the job last for forty years. Long live Tzu.

    • TonyOrtega

      Good questions. Trying to get some answers on that for a future story.

    • aquaclara

      And Geraldine Rockefeller Dodge….at least when the last dog passed on, the mansion could be sold, and the land in NJ was set aside for animal preservation to take care of homeless dogs.

  • FistOfXenu

    “Potter lived there, taking care of the dog, until it died about two months ago — nearly eleven years after Mary Sue preceded her into the great beyond”

    So the dog didn’t exactly pine away for her in the weeks following her death. Just sayin’

  • Jeb Burton

    Tony, a question. Is LRH the father of the heirs? Are they active in corporate scientology? Is Potter a practicing scientologist? Just curious about the players here. Thanks.

  • Sarcasmo

    Two and a half million clams? I’d be surprised if there are even two and a half million EX clams.

  • Jgg2012

    Re the spelling: Scientology – Cult. Indianapolis pro football player – Colt. Reminds me of an election here in California in the mid-90s, when someone running for the Board of Equalization (tax collection agency) put out tons of flyers and posters saying elect “so and so” to the Bored of Equalization. He finished last.

  • Flunk Off

    From what I understand, the kids didn’t get very much when Blubbard died.

  • nottrue

    cant sell the house until the dog dies. that shows how much she cared about her children

    • Missionary Kid

      That depends on the size of the estate. We don’t know how much she gave them before hand out of the family trust upon her death, or how much she gave them before her death, which would have possibly avoided inheritance taxes. You’re making a lot of assumptions.

      At least the proceeds go to her kids.

      • nottrue

        thats true

      • RMycroft

        Maybe she was hoping that by the time the dog died, the kids would all be out of Scientology?

        • Missionary Kid

          You’d have to ask someone who actually knows, but I think she was a true believer to the end. I don’t think she thought about them getting out. I’m sure that her minders kept an eye on all of the legal documents she signed for the trust.

    • Sandy

      Naw. Her kids are adults. Her dog is alone and dependent.. come on ….

    • nottrue

      i was thinking if i did that to my kids my poor old bird wouldnt make it one day. just kidding

      • Robert Eckert

        That’s why you have to have this caretaker, see, whose cushy job lasts as long as the bird lives.

  • Captain Howdy

    Just because it’s your “religion..it doesn’t make it alright..it’s the worst excuse in the world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSfI4JsY9s0

  • DodoTheLaser

    Where is Arthur Hubbard? And why did he change his last name?

    I respect his right to privacy, but man…. stories he can tell.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Megan Ellison should buy Mary Sue’s house.

  • skippress

    Don’t cry too much for Mary Sue. She could be pretty vicious. Took a knife to the throat of a young man on the Apollo who she didn’t want hanging around daughter Suzette. Her son Quentin ended up dead and she left Elwrong abuse him. Diana is still dumb enough to be in the Sea Org. Her other two kids didn’t turn out much better and have heavy problems. Plus, MSH ran the Snow White operation along with her crazy husband, infiltrating the government. No great loss to humanity that she’s gone.

    • Robert Eckert

      Glad to see you still lurk around. Appreciate your inside perspective.

  • I Know The Beat

    I just read about 300 pages of research on Scientology sent
    to by a pal who has great interest in tax exempt status and the slave wages
    that go on at Sea Org.
    I was a Personal Asst to Celebirties between 1975 and
    2008. Four different, very
    different performers. Each person within
    the entourage know their gig and these things run smoothly Because, basically,
    we all act like friends help friends getting from one event to another.
    Personal Assistants are paid well because what they do is so
    specialized and a minor fuck up can create a fiasco and one can only guess that
    any given moment a CA is getting a new
    one ripped as I write this. But we love
    what we do, we are afforded an amazing lifestyle and hanging with famous people
    is just out right fun. Also in most
    cases, we either love or grow to love our employer.
    That said…there seem to have been blantat abuse of the
    workers for Tim Cruise and his prima donna wives. unless I am missing something
    in many of these articles. Some would be
    called at the last minute to “babysit” after working in the “Hanger” all
    day.
    I always when it came to kids, and they would ask someone
    (like other than a babysitter) to watch after their kids for a night or
    two. I started asking for something that
    would
    Make sure I was paid more for taking care of the children as that is a huge
    responsibility and did not fall under my title.
    And normally wouldn’t mind but…KIDs. could create if something went
    wrong.
    So basically what Tom Cruise has been doing is using the
    young students at the church for FREE WORK…auto, cleaning, house-sitting,
    babysitting, motorcycle repair, hi fi installation, etc etc.
    Did I miss something, I have never seen one of his movies
    but I thought they all made major mega biggo boffo

  • skippress

    Robert, I dated Mary Sue’s “communicator” (13 years) NIkki for a good while. I believe she was also MS’s best friend. I learn about things that happen here from a Facebook group and occasionally check them out.