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Jeff Hawkins: How Scientology’s ‘Third Party Law’ explains anything they want it to

200069562-001Jefferson Hawkins was once the top marketing executive for the Church of Scientology and helped it reach its greatest extent with the famous “volcano” TV ads in the 1980s. He’s told his tale of getting into and out of the church with his excellent books Counterfeit Dreams and Leaving Scientology, and he’s helping us understand the upside-down world of Scientology “ethics.”

Jeff, some of us are still hung over after the amazing court clash in Texas that lasted all day yesterday. But we’re ready to soldier on with more lessons about Scientology ‘ethics.’ Where are you taking us today?

JEFFERSON: This week we’re taking up Chapter 10 of Introduction to Scientology Ethics, which is all about Hubbard’s “Third Party Law.” This is a short chapter so we’ll make it a short critique.

THE BUNKER: Help those of us who have never been in Scientology understand what the Third Party Law is.

JEFFERSON: Sure. L. Ron Hubbard starts by stating that he has studied the causes of violence and conflict for “a very long time.” He concludes that there must be an unknown natural law which underlies all conflicts and which is the root cause of all conflict. He then states this law — in all caps, of course — as:




Of course, in typical Hubbard fashion, he states this as an absolute law, true in every single case. And he offers no supporting evidence whatsoever. He gives a couple of examples, which he simply makes up. In one, a rancher and a farmer are in conflict. Lo and behold, it turns out that the local banker is playing them off against each other!

THE BUNKER: Sounds like a plot right out of the pages of one of his potboiler westerns. So Hubbard says there is no other reason for conflict except a hidden Third Party?

JEFFERSON: Exactly. But even a cursory look at conflict theory reveals that there are many potential reasons for conflict: competition for scarce resources, social injustice, a clash of beliefs, ethnic or cultural differences, social change, poor communication, differences in values or morals, and so on. Hubbard is taking a complex and nuanced subject, and one that has been studied extensively by psychologists, social scientists, and historians, and he boils it down to one simplistic rule.

THE BUNKER: Isn’t he contradicting statements from his own earlier writings?

JEFFERSON: Sure. In Dianetics (1950), he stated that the single cause of war was the Reactive Mind. Then when he was pushing communication as the universal solvent in 1955, it was breakdowns in communication that caused all conflict. And when he was pushing Overts and Withholds, he stated that was the only reason for marital or other strife. Every new “discovery,” it seems, becomes “the only reason,” and this one is no exception.

THE BUNKER: So how does this play out in Scientology organizations?

JEFFERSON: It’s a very handy “law” for Scientology to have. Hubbard wrote it, as I recall, in 1968, when there was a lot of trouble with the British government. They were refusing entry to Scientology students, and there was a fear that they would seize the book stocks. Hubbard needed somehow to explain this conflict to Scientologists, so he invented a narrative that the “Psychs” were behind it all. In other words, it had nothing to do with Scientology’s actions (such as disconnection or dirty tricks) but was a “Third Party” campaign by the Psychs. It’s a narrative that is still in use today. Remember when Anonymous first came on the scene, Scientology invented a story for the faithful about how Anonymous was being organized and financed by Big Pharma.

THE BUNKER: And is this used within the organizations? Is there an attempt to “find a Third Party” in the case of conflicts?

JEFFERSON: Hubbard wrote another Policy Letter called “Third Party, How to Find One,” and that is included in this chapter. And yes, you sometimes see that used within the orgs to try to find the Third Party. I can honestly say I never saw it work effectively to resolve a conflict. Maybe some of our readers had a different experience with it.

But again, it’s a handy “law” to have. It discourages people from complaining, or they will be accused of “Third Partying.” And it enables Scientology to put the blame for any conflict on “outside SPs” rather than looking for root causes within the organization.


Posted by Tony Ortega on January 9, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Jane

    And in things that have happened to us, it is quite clear that people are using scientology tactics like bull-baiting and defamation in order to stir up trouble between family members.

  • Troy MacGyver

    Lets get these off in San Francisco,Big Pile of XENU!

    • Sarah James


    • Need to know


    • Freethinker


  • Troy MacGyver
    • OT8squared

      Thanks for the suggested classes. I have quite a few difficulties at work as I am surrounded by CICS. I do need to learn to handle people better because my top people keep leaving me and then going on the Internet to criticize me. I need to improve my effectiveness because my organization’s growth has not been straight up and vertical despite press releases to the contrary. Finally, I believe the Basics of Investigation course will help me investigate the aforementioned CICS without getting sued in Texas. Once again, thank you for the helpful suggestions. much love, Captain David Miscavige.

  • Funnybroad

    Off topic, but can Landmark really be compared to Scientology?

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      Thanks. I haven’t read it yet but I bookmarked it.

    • Espiando

      Well, Landmark is a reinvention of EST. EST is an illicit offshoot of Scientology. So, yeah.

    • Victoria Pandora

      pretty sure landmark was an offshoot of avatar which was started by oteeeight harry palmer.

      • OrangySky

        Landmark is the child of EST, after Werner Erhad split/disappeared/was ousted.
        EST was Erhard’s more self-helpy version of Scientology-lite, with some other faddish ’70’s therapies thrown in for good measure.

        • Once_Born

          Werner Erhard (AKA Jack Rosenberg) took a few Scientology courses (and forced them upon employees in his used car business).

          According to Steven Pressman’s book, “Outrageous Betrayal”, Erhard’s original plan was to present the Scientology basic communications course to a hundred or more people at a time, and pay Scientology a percentage. He eventually rejected this because, “once his customers had completed the course they would have no more use for him” (pg 31).

          At this point Erhard jumped ship to something called ‘Mind Dynamics’ and, eventually, fused undemanding ‘scientific’ self-development with the ‘motivational’ business seminar to create something unique – and nasty – the EST seminar.

          The only aspects of Scientology that that were carried over into EST were Hubbard’s manipulative attitude to others, and the ruthless techniques he used to control and manipulate members.

          After Erhard went into exile, people who had worked for him presenting seminars formed a company called Landmark, which bought the intellectual property rights to EST, presenting seminars mostly to business owners and employees (mostly salesmen).

          Like the Scientology front WISE (which it resembles) Landmark has frequent problems with employees who sue because they were required by their employer to attend. They also aggressively sue critics – especially journalists – claiming they only do so to correct inaccurate and disparaging statements.

          All manipulative cults have a lot in common – Scientology, nor Hubbard, are by no means unique

    • Artoo45

      Yes and no.

      On the No side: You could do everything that Landmark has to offer and still not break five grand. No RPF. You can leave any time. They hate Scientology.

      On the Yes side: Culty language. Drone-like volunteers. Inductive LGAT sessions. Sleep deprivation. Groupthink (while telling you to think for yourself). Harassment to do more. Harassment to “enroll” others. They cribbed from Scientology’s lower courses.

      I’ll save you the money. Life is empty and meaningless and it’s meaningless that it’s empty and meaningless. Got it? Good.

      I was put through the Forum in my new age days by my boss. I actually got some good stuff out of it but getting them to leave you alone is like trying to scrape dog shit off of vibram-soled boot.

  • richelieu jr

    No, no, no Jefferson, not at all! Listen:

    The First Party: You go to dinner, have an apératif, a little wine, maybe a cognac after wards..

    The Second Party: You go to a nightclub or bar and throw back a few shots, maybe mix alcohols..

    The Third Party is at someone’s place, everyone shows up with booze, and everyone drinks whatever is in the liquor cabinet and it is at this party that the fights break out!

    And I cannot state this clearly enough:


    • Eclipse-girl

      I like your first party the best.

      your description kind of reminds me of the way Hobbits like to 2nd breakfasts, and elevensies

    • DamOTclese2

      What if the cheese enchiladas with habanero chili sauce you have at the first party starts a fight with the walnut pancakes you had at the second party?

      • Great White Clam

        Ya shoulda had the walnut pecan pancakes at the first party!

      • richelieu jr

        That my friend, is what is known as a “Where’s Shelly? Wedding”, complete with ‘You Don’t Have the Rank”-smelling bathroom, and “Exploding Tomato” Bloody Mary Sues.

        In other words, That’s a Bingo!

    • Mooser

      Those Third Parties! They raid your fridge, medicine cabinet and stash box, too.

  • Victoria Pandora

    ok, this is funny. some report on global warming scientists being trapped in the snow.
    the thing is the reporter says “global warming SCIENTOLOGISTS”…

    see, that is what happens when you hang out on Tony’s blog at work, haha.

    • DamOTclese2

      ROFL! Republicans are such diploons.

  • media_lush

    new post up

    ….. and a little pic for a caption competition….

    • media_lush

      KA: “and I’m holding Xenu’s balls”

      JT: “… and I’m ticking his bell-end”

      • Jon Hendry

        Or checking his prostate.

    • Hubbub

      “He got me into it!”

      “Well, she was stupid enough to fall for it!”

    • Snippy_X

      KA: Can birds fly?
      JT: Do fish swim?
      Both: hahahahahahahahha

    • Great White Clam

      It’s just like, it’s something that, uh, I don’t mince words with that. Boy, there’s a time I went through and I said, “You know what…” “When I read it, I just went “POOF!” It’s not like anyone else.

      ….it’s not how to run from an SP. It’s PTS/SP, how to shatter suppression, confront and shatter suppression. You apply it, and it’s like, “BOOM!”

      Maybe one day it will be like that, you know? You know what I’m saying. Maybe one day it will be that “WOW!, SP, they just read about those in the history books.” You know?

      And I won’t hesitate to put ethics in someone else, because I put it ruthlessly in myself. And I think that I… uh… I respect that, you know, in others. And, you know, I’m there to help, and we’re here to
      help, and my opinion is is that, look, either you’re on board or you’re not on board. Okay, it’s just, if you’re on board, you’re on board just like the rest of us. Period.

      LF/BD FN FN

    • DamOTclese2

      “She has a bigger cock than I have, how cute is that, derp!”

      • Great White Clam

        I suggest replacing “, derp!” with “? And I want it!”

    • OT8squared

      So all we do is pretend to believe in alien soul infestations and the cult keeps getting us work despite our lack of talent.

    • Ardent

      KA: “he he..Touch this wall! HAWWWWWww”
      JT: “See?..he he…I’m touching the wall! He hehehehehh…”

    • NOLAGirl

      “Can you believe how oily those hands are?”

    • Jon Hendry


    • Imelda Marcos

      That looks like the most uncomfortable sofa in the world.

    • Couch_Incident

      Both: “Can you believe that this is what an Operating Thetan looks like?”

    • Cat Daddy

      ‘Look at our immaginary friend’

  • DamOTclese2

    My waistline is having a disagreement with my pants, both claim to be 34 inches but one of them is wrong.

    I blame Sara Lee Cheescakes as the third party.

    • Valerie Ross

      Sara Lee is never the third party. She is the first and foremost authority. Check the pants manufacturer. That must be the problem. Do NOT I repeat DO not disconnect from the Sara Lee. That would be out gradient and disastrous.

      • DamOTclese2

        “Sara Lee is never wrong.” LOL

        • Robert Eckert

          Sara Lee is Source!

          • ThetaBara

            Yeah, Source of the tight pants!

  • Sandy

    My 2D just came upstairs and said “I have to admit something. I just put “Jack Reacher” on my Netflix queue (he has read all the Reacher books and could NOT believe the casting). I asked him “why, oh why… sob). He said he was just curious and will give me a review (if I can take it)

    • Eclipse-girl

      I have not read the books. somehow there is a different topic that i have researching

      interested in your 2Ds review

      • Sandy

        Eclipse-girl. Our Reacher obsession was before my Ortega obsession… :o)

    • Victoria Pandora

      i put it on my list the other day also. something about being iced in has made me turn to netflix…and it was in my recommendations. how “do it know” i hate tom cruise? netflix is smart, lol.

      • Victoria Pandora

        whoah, back up. christopher walken and al pacino in “stand up guys”? sorry tom, i just ran out of time to be annoyed. i should keep a closer eye on netflix, seems like it delivers the goods now and then.
        i just found my cure for tonights dose of cabin fever;)

        • VickiStubing

          Mmmmmmm, Walken. I always haz a pic of him handy. Seasonally approriate, even.

    • PoisonIvyHerself

      Yes, do have him give a full report!

    • Great White Clam

      Assuming you are an ex$cn, Sandy, why still use $cilon lingo (2D) in the free universe?

      • Espiando

        “2D” is just one of those terms that we’ve borrowed from the Scilons. It’s a nice gender-neutral and status-neutral term to have. The nearest equivalent would be “significant other”, but if you abbreviate that, you run into confusion with the Fake Navy.

        And borrowing terms from the Scilons can be fun. Look at “enturbulate”. It’s even enjoyable to type.

        • Great White Clam

          I guess I just usually make a distinction between railing about the $cilons and their faulty “tech” and talking about real-world. But that’s just me. I was merely curious about that. LOL

        • Victoria Pandora

          yeah, come on, it’s become fun at this point;)

        • Sandy

          Thx, Espi

        • Davka

          I admit, enturbulate is a fun word……

      • Captain Howdy

        I use Hubbardese all the time IRL because it’s fun.

        • 3feetback-of-COS

          I try to keep it light, too.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, seriously. I love talking down to their trolls in their own language.

    • Valerie Ross

      I would say that is grounds for immediate disconnection. Thank you for the knowledge report. Report immediately to the Bunker sauna where popcorn and Intensive TC detox will occur. Expect to leave with a smile on your face.

      • DamOTclese2

        That’ll be $1,200. 🙂

        • Great White Clam

          Don’t forget the repair/retread cycle. Cha-ching!!!! CHA-CHING!!!!!!!

    • DamOTclese2

      Time to put your 2D in a home. 🙁

      • Victoria Pandora

        nooo, i saw a photo the other day with a poor man standing out in the cold, it read “if you are cold, they are cold, let your husbands in.” lol.
        cut him some slack until it warms up, hahaha.

        • Great White Clam

          Back in the day there was a dog-house. Just saying.

    • MaxSpaceman

      I’ll give you one, Sandy. (I may get ripped to shreds here, downvoted, etc. – no biggie: “That’s Entertainment.!”
      From Box Office International. From the point of view of global box office, from all producers worldwide who produced filmed entertainment. From that point of view, which leads directly to the global movie-going public. One thing ya’ can believe. After 30 years of Top Grossing Motion Picture Stars, he knows what he is doing in film production. How?
      He spent 2 straight years with Stanley Kubrick, for Eyes Wide Shut. He learned something there. He made films with Stephen Spielberg; learned something there. Because of his box office et al, he can get the best of the worlds craftspeople, artisans, filmed ent. creators. His producing partner (former), Paula Wagner, a huge powerhouse of producing talent and know how in Hollywood, for a very long time. The guy knows what he is doing.
      Jack Reacher is okay. Not that good. But a solid production, well-directed and edited; a production for the global audience. No matter what hubby thinks, or the comments that’ll slap him around in reply to this post, just a reality check with the global movie going public. For just one of his “okay” flicks, here are the #s.
      As of March 21, 2013, Jack Reacher has grossed $80,070,736 in North America and $136,497,530 in other countries for a worldwide total of $216,568,266,[2] which is one of the lowest grossing Tom Cruise movies of the past decade and a third of the $694,713,380 his previous movie Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol grossed.
      That is all. Jes’ sayin’.

      • MaxSpaceman

        With fewer films than all the others in the Top 10, he is at # 6 all-time successes in Gross dollars.

    • Suzy

      Mr Suzy is a huge Jack Reacher fan and also got the movie from Netflix. I refused to watch. Mr Suzy said the movie was disappointing.

  • Snippy_X

    Strangely misleading article with empty comment section.

    Scientology lawyers: Church did not harass former executive and wife

    • aegerprimo

      This article is odd… FWIW maybe it exists merely for a key word search.

      • Ardent

        I smelled something fishy about the article, too. I wondered if it was purchased or planted or whatever. I simply have no trust regarding the cult and what it gets up to.

    • Sarah James

      It’s not real reporting. I have a feeling it’s like a paid ad.

    • Jon Hendry

      UPI is owned by the Moonies. I suppose they have an incentive to report favorably on cults.

      • Snippy_X

        How did you figure that out! Way to go – increasing the weirdness even further.

        • Jon Hendry

          It’s been common knowledge. They bought UPI in 2000. Helen Thomas quit because of it. They also own the Washington Times newspaper. And the gunmaker Kahr Arms. And lots of sushi-related businesses. And lots of other stuff.

          • Snippy_X

            oh dear.

    • Artoo45

      They misspelled the judges name fercrissakes! Waldip?

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    So, do you think the $cion lawyers quoted this Third Party doctrine when they described their internal conflict resolution procedures for the court in the Garcia case?

  • Marc Headley

    I will go one further. ALL laws and rules in Scientology are “handy” for scientology when scientology need them to be. Most are also not really handy for scientology at any given time, but during “those times” they “don’t apply” or are categorized as “using policy to stop.”

    Scientology is the only game where scientology always wins when the rules are applied to everyone else.

    But, as soon as Scientology has to play by its own rules, they lose every time too.

  • Funnybroad

    I was in a shoopy mood this evening.

    • Great White Clam


  • media_lush

    Fox News reporting that State Attorney Former Texas Supreme Court Chief Justice Wallace Jefferson defending the cult….. one of our regular commentators has already made his mark….

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      More than one regular. Did I miss where someone claimed he is taking over the defense team? I thought he was just there to contribute.

      • media_lush


        A prominent lawyer from San Antonio is taking center stage in a major case involving the Church of Scientology.

        Jefferson is now taking the lead for the defense in a trial involving the Church ….

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Yeah I saw that in the Fox News article, but I don’t remember that element from yesterday’s coverage. Maybe Matari Jones confirmed that today?

        • TonyOrtega

          It’s bullshit. He’s there to take notes for possible appeals.

          • media_lush

            those are the Fox reporters words, not mine

            …. I find it delightfully ironic that they’re making it more of a headache for this guy than previously existed

            • Watergate

              Told ya. 🙂

            • media_lush

              I guess you missed my response on the Fox site was tongue in cheek

            • Snippy_X

              It went over my head, but that’s not saying much.

          • Zana

            You’re the best, Tony. Up on everything… day and night. !! Keeping us citizens safe. 🙂 Thank you!

    • media_lush

      … and celebdirtylaundry are saying Tommy Girl is using MI5 to screen for new wife material

    • MaxSpaceman

      thanx, Lush. Posted over there the breakdown of the representation of the C o S legal team, for clarity, to Watergate’s comment. ;->)

    • Snippy_X

      Nice commenting over there. I thought his brother Lamont, the bonehead, represented Miscavige and Wally was just visiting in court yesterday. Has anyone seen him listed on the court documents as representing RTC? Does anyone know when “Take your big brother to work” day is? Maybe it was yesterday.

      • Robert Eckert

        He is on the list of counsel twice, once for Miscavige personally and again for RTC (same with his brother):

        • Snippy_X

          Thanks RE – I was confused about that.

        • Mooser

          There’s just something so not right about it. Why on earth would a guy with an impeccable reputation, bunches of high-paying offers, want to dirty his hands with this? Having his brother associated with Scientology wasn’t good enough for Wallace, he wanted to make it a family effort?

          Maybe he was brought in to talk sense to Miscavige?

          • Jimmy Threetimes
          • Robert Eckert

            Maybe. It certainly doesn’t appear that Lamont has any ability to rope in Miscavige. But does anybody?

    • Great White Clam

      “Because they couldn’t shut me up as a whistleblower, they targeted my wife,” Rathbun said.

      Damning. But it’s not his case. Unless the $cilon lawyers make it so.

      Footbullet soup, anyone?

      • Great White Clam

        hot footbullet soup?



  • Snippy_X

    Tony probably covered this, but I missed it.

    Attorney in Narconon Arrowhead lawsuit calls ruling a “Big Win”
    By Jeanne LeFlore

    A judge ruled Tuesday that hundreds of records of Narconon Arrowhead clients, trainees and employees related to incidents of drug or alcohol use must be released in connection with an ongoing lawsuit.

    “Its a big win for the family and for the state of Oklahoma,” said attorney Donald Smollen.

    Smollen represents the family of Heather Landmeier, a Narconon graduate who has been in a vegetative state since [they dumped her at a motel and] she overdosed on heroin and OxyContin.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      That’s odd, I vaguely recall a speech wherein Narconon Arrowhead was promoted as a huge success and then an auditorium full of people stood and applauded.

      • Snippy_X

        Hmm, yes. Cognitive dissonance.

        • Ardent

          And we’re a bunch of Dissident Cognitives.

          • Mooser

            “And we’re a bunch of Dissident Cognitives.”

            Why, I’d never even thought of such a thing until you suggested it. And now that you did, I like it.

          • Great White Clam

            Ardenty so!

      • Ardent

        Funny, so do I. Say Jimmy, do you think someone slipped us a mickey?

        • Great White Clam

          A clam-cocktail?

          Maybe don’t brush teeth with the toothpaste?!!!!!!!;

          “I am fairly sure you did not intend your order to be used as an excuse for dedicated Scientology operatives to poke around inside my house. There is more than one report of stunts such as injecting LSD into toothpaste tubes. Arel is filing a police report on this court-sanctioned invasion this evening and carefully inspecting to see if dope was planted (as describe by former high ranking Scientology executive Jesse Prince).”

          “When I worked for Church intelligence, I did not run any covert operations to:
          “get a person put in jail
          “cost a person his job
          “cause physical harm to anyone
          “attack their children or pets
          “spread lies about them

          “I was in violation of Church policy by not doing those things, but even when I worked there I declined to do those things. I know some Scientologists who did do them, though.

          “During my interview I told about a crime wherein my senior and my junior put LSD on the toothbrush of a pregnant woman. I was not involved in that, I was out of town at the time they did this, which I clearly state in the video interview. Here is the video clip of me talking about this crime –

          Just saying.

          • Snippy_X

            Whoa – never saw that mikemcclaughry vid. Very creepy.

            • Great White Clam

              Creepy cult is creepy cult.

            • richelieu jr

              Run Forrest! Run like the Marcab Confederation or the Trains of Venus!

          • richelieu jr

            Thanks so much for this, man.

            What we really need is a truth sommission. Most Scilonos are totally innocent, but they need ot hear the leaders (including ‘Independents’ and ‘Free Zoners’) come clean wbout their crimes (and they need to be taught the real meaning of the term.

            Like in South Africa or Germany after the War, they need their noses rubbed in it so that they can’t put their blinders on again and say it was all about stealing fee photocopies and paper (the largest espionage operation in US History, that!) or Mrs Rathbun’s idea that what Marty did amounted to ‘pushing a guy into some furniture’…

            This needs to be done why people who knew the old liar are still alive and can testify that even in the early years, people dies, went insane, -children were locked in smelly wet lockers on ships for days at a time, pets were killed, people disappeared, children were kidnapped and abortions were induced, child molesters were covered for,a s was rape, families separated and destroyed PER HUBBARD’S ORDERS AND DESIGN….T the list goes on, and the white-washing of LRH goes on…

            This is important, folks. Even more imortant than revenge for harassment and dildos at work (and YES? that IS important, I agree. Just not as important relative to ongoing -, past and potential future destruction of life and property).

            Time is running out.

  • Ardent

    How many are wondering how much Judge Waldrip has been researching about Scientology. I wonder if he’s even read through some articles here in The Bunker? I’m not clear about the rules governing a Judge seeking information on his/her own. But if I were him, I’d be reading up as much as I could, given the heavy schedule he must have.

    • media_lush

      there’s a site out there that has every single ruling made by a judge on pretty much every case scientology was involved in….. to a tee they all describe scientology as horrifying, deceptive, vicious etc… these were actual judges words!! I’m sure he’s had a look at these reports.

      • Dog Saluter

        I sure hope so. It would be a shame if all the opinions and decisions that came before – all the blood, sweat and tears of past litigation – were not studied, or at least read, and taken under advisement. Those who do not remember the past – or are not familiar with it – are condemned to repeat it.

        • media_lush

          found this in the bowels of my blog:

          CAREFULLY consider the parting quotes about Scientology by legal authorities and law enforcement that may help you to deal with these and other questions.

          “The government is satisfied that Scientology is socially harmful. It alienates members of families from each other and attributes squalid and disgraceful motives to all who oppose it; its authoritarian principles and practice are a potential menace to the personality and well being of those so deluded as to become followers; above all, its methods can be a serious danger to the health of those who submit to them… There is no power under existing law to prohibit the practice of scientology; but the government has concluded that it is so objectionable that it would be right to take all steps within its power to curb its growth.” – Kenneth Robinson, British Minister of Health

          “[the court record is] replete with evidence [that Scientology] is nothing in reality but a vast enterprise to extract the maximum amount of money from its adepts by pseudo scientific theories… and to exercise a kind of blackmail against persons who do not wish to continue with their sect…. The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder, L. Ron Hubbard.” – Judge Breckenridge, Los Angeles Superior Court

          “Scientology is evil; its techniques are evil; its practice is a serious threat to the community, medically, morally, and socially; and its adherents are sadly deluded and often mentally ill… (Scientology is) the world’s largest organization of unqualified persons engaged in the practice of dangerous techniques which masquerade as mental therapy.” – Justice Anderson, Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia

          “In addition to violating and abusing its own members’ civil rights, the organization over the years with its “fair game” doctrine1 has harassed and abused those persons not in the church whom it perceives as enemies.” – Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Paul Breckenridge, June 1984, in the Gerry Armstrong case.

          “Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious… it is corrupt sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based on lies and deceit and has its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard… It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its adherents who do not toe the line unquestioningly and to those who criticize it or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people and to indoctrinate and brainwash them so they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living, and relationships with others.” – Justice Latey, ruling in the High Court of London ruling in B and G Wards,”

          “The crime committed by these defendants is of a breath and scope previously unheard of. No building, office, desk, or file was safe from their snooping and prying. No individual or organization was free from their despicable conspiratorial minds. The tools of their trade were miniature transmitters, lock picks, secret codes, forged credentials and any other device they found necessary to carry out their conspiratorial schemes.” – U.S. federal prosecutor’s memorandum to the judge urging stiff jail sentences for 9 top leaders of Scientology who had pleaded guilty to criminal charges for infiltrating over 100 U.S. government agencies.

          “In my opinion the church has one of the most effective intelligence operations in the U.S. rivaling even that of the FBI.” – Ted Gunderson, former head of the FBI’s Los Angeles office, quoted in TIME May 6, 1991

          “Substantial evidence supports the conclusion Scientology leaders made the deliberate decision to ruin Wollersheim economically and possible psychologically…. We do not mean to suggest Scientology’s retributive program as described in the evidence of this case represented a full scale modern day “inquisition.” Nevertheless there are some parallels in purpose and effect. “Fair game” like the “inquisition” targeted “heretics.”

          “During trial, Wollersheim’s experts testified Scientology’s “auditing” and “disconnect” practices constituted `brainwashing’ and `thought reform’ akin to what the Chinese and North Koreans practiced on American prisoners of war.

          “A religious practice which takes place in the context of this level of coercion2 has less religious value than one the recipient engages in voluntarily. Even more significantly, it poses a greater threat to society to have coerced religious practices inflicted on its citizens.

          “Church practices conducted in a coercive environment are not qualified to be voluntary religious practices entitled to first amendment religious freedom guarantees….We hold that the state has a compelling interest in allowing its citizens to recover for serious emotional injuries they suffer through religious practices they are coerced into accepting.

          “Such conduct is too outrageous to be protected under the constitution and too unworthy to be privileged under the law of torts.” – California appellate court, 2nd district, 7th division, Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology of California, Civ. No. B023193 Cal. Super. (1986)

          “Evidentiary fact: The Church of Scientology is currently engaged in a nationwide conspiracy to impede and obstruct municipal, state and federal taxing authorities, by adopting a religious and charitable guise to avoid payment of taxes.

          “Scientology’s internal policies state: “They (the public) want ministers. We will show them what ministers look like” (Vol. 1 p.41). “Churches are looked upon as reform groups. Therefore, we must act like a reform group” (Vol.1 p.196).

          “Scientology has nothing to do with religion. The Church did not adopt the religious guise until it was necessary to seek First Amendment protection (Vol.4 p.405).

          “Scientology uses a religious image checklist designed to falsely portray a religious image to mislead officials (Vol. 2 p.238,239).

          “Church policy instructs members to lie to inquiring officials (Vol.1 p.226,227).” – Commissioners of the City of Clearwater, Florida, public hearings, May 5-10, 1982

          ” …the teaching of Scientology and the practice of Scientology will result in the commission of many offenses and may well result in the commission of many others.” – Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia, Justice Brookings, 1982

          “You can be merciless whenever your will is crossed and you have the right to be merciless.”3 – L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology. Documentary evidence in the Armstrong case…

          came from 24/9.2012


          • EnthralledObserver

            Are there ANY positive ones? 😉

            • media_lush

              no, no there are not

          • Satansthetan

            Great stuff! Thank you. What a debacle this whole con has become.

            • richelieu jr

              ‘Become’? The thing was brazen and falling from one disaster to the next from the word ‘audit’…

            • Satansthetan

              Ha! Too right, l stand corrected. A diseased debacle since day one?!?

      • Great White Clam

        Link would be nice. But I unnerstand if no.

      • richelieu jr

        You can be sure he’s had his interns pulling out every relevant case, and the whole Scientology pattern of abuse of the Justice system is apparent to him. That’s minimum diligence, and he seems smarter than that by far…

      • Ardent

        Oh, Media, you are a font of information. Thanks. Yes, I would imagine he’d avail himself of that info!

  • Sibs

    I got my books today and I started Blown For Good. Absolutely dumbfounded at how few options Marc had apart from joining the Sea Org. And the fine print behind everybody he knew joining being that they’ve all donated sooooooo much money that they can’t afford to be public anymore… at least, that seemed to be the pattern.

    • Jenstnick

      I read BFG in 2 days and followed up with Jenna Miscavige Hill’s book. Until a few months ago I never realized Int was only about 35-40 mins from where I live. I think that’s why I have become such a critic, The Hole is practically In my backyard and no one knows about it.

    • Anonymous

      BFG was never a true believer and didn’t really have as much decompressing to do.

    • Eclipse-girl

      It is the pattern to recruit young people who do not have many options. Marc resisted recruitment for several years until he really didn’t have another option.

  • Shrubbery

    I have been a lurker on this site for about 4 months. I prefer not to add to discussions I know nothing about and Scientology is definitely one of those subjects that was always a big mystery in my head. I studied cultural anthropology in school and have always been fascinated to hear the many stresses that human societies can endure. I was raised Catholic(I got better) so I am easily able to see parallels. I feel like I’m doing you guys a disservice by thanking you for entertaining the shit out of me for the past 4 months when the implications of what i’m reading have real life consequences on real people.

    • Anonymous

      Nee! Nee! Nee! Nee! Nee! Nee!

      Just kidding. Welcome aboard. While its true that there’s a serious side to all this that really does affect people’s lives, there’s a comical one as well. We all have to find a balance between the two, which admittedly isn’t always easy for me to do. I do try though.

      • richelieu jr

        Ahem, ‘ni!’

        • Anonymous


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    • Eclipse-girl

      Ask question whenever something confuses you. It will be answered.
      Educating people is a part of joining the fight against the criminal behavior of scientology.

      • Shrubbery

        I appreciate the offer. Best of luck fighting the good fight!

    • Ardent

      Welcome, Shrubbery. Please don’t apologise for being raised Catholic. I’m sure many Bunkerites are or were Catholic. At least it is a legit religion (IMHO). I hope you find answers to questions here, and enjoy our company. I am pretty new here myself, and found it liberating and pleasant to join in with Tony’s gang of internet fringe-dewllers. Enjoy!

      • Shrubbery

        Thanks! I almost feel like I’m pulling for Scientology to fall so hopefully it takes every other organized religion down with it. There is no difference. None whatsoever.

  • media_lush

    popped up on SP’s r Us

    • Mooser

      The lawyers are court officers…”

      One of them is a much admired Texas Supreme Court Chief Justice. He left for this?

      • media_lush

        one possibility that we haven’t considered is that he might have joined the case to look out for his little brother who might have said that he’s getting out of his depth…. I’m pretty sure that the feedback on the Fox site will get back to him, if he hasn’t actually read it himself…. time will tell

        • Mooser

          It doesn’t add up. Time may indeed, tell, but it may take an enhanced interrogation to get time to ‘fess up..

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Wallace is the younger brother from what I’ve gathered. Yesterday I had a lil’ bro wedgie joke I thought was very funny (it was not) but I had to scrap it due to inaccuracy.

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    • 0tessa

      IMO the Rathbuns won’t settle.

      • media_lush

        oh, I’ll think they’ll settle but only WITHOUT an NDA agreement…. which I can’t see tiny fists giving unless there is absolutely no other recourse

        • richelieu jr

          I totally agree on this point and I don’t care how many in the St Marty chorus shout me down. The Rathbuns said they wanted the harassment to stop. If it stops and they can spend their golden years in comfort, why wouldn’t they? They never said they intended to do otherwise, and they are perfectly within their rights to do so.

          it our desire to see anyone who is against that twisted little homunculous sitting on the goitered shoulder of the Ginger Giant as being on our side. Even if you tae MArtya t his public word of having seenthe light and being astudent of all philosophies, he s clealry on a voyage of self-discovery, not a crusade to make up for the evil he helped create and perpetuate.

          Marty can call not singing a moral victory and take the moral high-ground as he continues to grow up in public, amazing everyone with the stories he remembers just as the statute of limitations runs out.

          He may be right or wrong to do so, but he won’r have lied to us or been a hypocrite about it. Marty was handing out sacks full of cash for decades befor ehtis and I’m sure he already has a ballpark figure in his head.

          If in the end he gets his freedom, his privacy back, his marriage and wife’s sanity on solid ground, and financial freedom with having to play Mr Wizard of OZ with his little Jr Lie-Detector gizmo for food, even I won’t call him on it.

          I’ll be disappointed, for sure. But less so than everyone here who is convincing themselves he’s here to slay the dragon.

    • Modesto

      All the more reason not to settle?

    • Elar Aitch

      Would love for this to be true but I am still swayed by years of court room battles that show the Church following every tactic, every motion, every appeal.

      I hope this is true but rather expect a couple more drawn out years in Rathbun v CSI, RTC, Capt Dildo etc

      • media_lush

        as a physical specimen I don’t think his body could handle a further 2 years of this

    • richelieu jr

      Good Lord, ‘SP’s r Us’ may just be the best site name ever! It works on so many levels!

      I would so buy a t-shirt of that!

  • media_lush
  • richelieu jr

    WHERE ARE YOU IRS? They broke their agreement:


    Ironic, isn’t it, the four words Miscavige fears lore than any others?

    “This is an audit”

    • Miss Tia

      Actually others might be:

      “This is a raid”
      “This is a depo”
      “Shelly has been released”

  • Edwin Erst

    I have studied comparative religion all my life, as well, some scientology. I have been looking for the source of this ‘law’, since much of LRH’s work seems to have been culled from various religions and philosophy . This may be one of the so-called “workable” edicts of his that can be understood and applied without too much complication, as long as you don’t over-think it. A third “unseen” party could easily be a belief system or perspective that would tip the balance into conflict for a variety of reasons. Christians might interpret this ‘unseen’ third party as “the devil” or God, maybe even a mischievous ghost, a thetan, a past affiliation or relationship, an education, a conviction, learned behavior, unseen and therefore not necessarily ‘present’ at the moment of the ongoing conflict. You could just as easily call this ‘the second party law’, because someone, previously unseen, might show up and cause some kind of conflict while you’re happily minding your own business. Seeing how there are plenty of people out there that still enjoy being the third party for mere cause and effect, and entertainment, or because they have some sort of gain from seeing this conflict endure, you can see that Ron’s third party law is a simple model, that can help to solve an ethics equation, and yet also illicit endless discussions and semantics as well, depending on how it is applied. Spectator Sports, for instance, would follow the third party law, and virtually anything set up as an ongoing ‘game’. Which is another area that Ron touched on, (that this universe was originally set up for beings to play ‘games’), when at some point this was supposedly lost to the knowledge of the original inhabitants, and life and survival became a grim and serious occupation. Science and Quantum physics have come quite a ways since LRH postulated all of this. The number ‘3’ plays in many religions, and quarks have since been defined as having the triple components of Red, Green and Blue, so it seems that even the parts that make up the physical universe act on a third party law of some sort or another. I don’t know if in this day and age any discovery of science or religion is relevant to our experience, or the idea that mere knowledge would bring about an enlightenment of the likes that LRH describes as possible on Earth, anymore than a Christian holds a conviction that Jesus will fix it all someday upon return. Perhaps it would take a third party of the same magnitude to negate conflict, But I digress, because I now tend to enjoy a more mundane take on “life, the universe, and everything”, which is why I recommend putting down the belief systems for a bit, and picking up a copy of Douglas Adams’ “The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy”. ‘Slartibartfast’ put it best: “Perhaps I’m old and tired, but I always think the chances of finding out what really is going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is to say, “Hang the sense of it” and just keep yourself occupied.”