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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Ray Jeffrey on Scientology in the courtroom: ‘Constantly getting tripped up on the facts’

Judge_Dib_Waldrip2We had a chance to talk with Monique Rathbun’s attorney Ray Jeffrey about Wednesday’s court hearing in Monique’s harassment lawsuit against the Church of Scientology and its leader, David Miscavige.

The most important result of the hearing is that Scientology’s attempt to quash a deposition of Miscavige was unsuccessful. Comal County Judge Dib Waldrip said that he could see more reason than ever why Monique’s legal team should get the opportunity to question Miscavige, and he even suggested it might take place in his courtroom because he anticipated that Scientology’s attorneys would object to virtually every question.

“He didn’t order that, but he indicated that he would consider that,” Jeffrey tells us.

“He ordered us to confer about document production, and confer about the deposition,” Ray added. “Of course, they’re almost certainly going to attempt some kind of appellate remedy, what’s called a writ of mandamus.”

Now that Judge Waldrip seems more determined than ever that Monique Rathbun has the right to depose Miscavige, Jeffrey says it’s becoming obvious that Scientology’s legal team is going to try to go over Waldrip to get Miscavige out of testifying.

A conspicuous addition to Scientology’s legal team was the arrival of Wallace Jefferson, who only recently stepped down from his position as the chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court. At the last two court hearings, Wallace has been taking notes as his brother, Lamont, has represented Miscavige and argued for hours on Wednesday in a vain effort to convince Judge Waldrip that Miscavige shouldn’t be deposed.

Jeffrey thinks Wallace Jefferson was brought in to prepare appeals, and he expects that Scientology’s team will soon be going to a state appeals court or the state supreme court asking for permission to file for a writ of mandamus.

“They don’t have a right to a mandamus. They have to apply to the Texas court of appeals or supreme court for the right to file it,” he explained to us. “Mandamus is supposed to be extraordinary.” He says he expects the Scientology team to put together a voluminous petition filled with references to religious rights to convince an appellate court that Judge Waldrip abused his discretion by calling for Miscavige to testify.

In the meantime, Scientology has until Monday to turn over evidence that Monique’s team has been asking for as they prepare for a February 3 and 4 hearing to answer the church’s ‘anti-SLAPP’ motion. By Wednesday, Waldrip wanted the two sides to have worked out evidence issues that Monique had brought up in her motion for sanctions. The message is clear — by next week, Scientology needs to start coming up with some actual documents generated during its multi-year operation of intense surveillance and harassment of Monique and her husband Mark ‘Marty’ Rathbun.

Marty was a high-ranking official in Scientology who worked directly with Miscavige until he defected in 2004. In 2009, after moving to Texas, he started a blog critical of Miscavige, and the Rathbuns say they were then subjected to four years of intense spying and harassment. The Church of Scientology International (CSI) has admitted that it was behind that campaign of protests and the filming of the Rathbuns, but Miscavige and another church entity, the Religious Technology Center (RTC), are asking to be let out of the lawsuit because they say Miscavige is only an ecclesiastical leader with nothing to do with the church’s operations in Texas.

Monique wants to depose him because she believes that Miscavige is intimately involved in all of the church’s retaliation campaigns, and she has submitted numerous declarations by former Scientology officials who agree with her.

Scientology’s team has submitted their own declarations, but problems with their veracity keep coming up, Jeffrey says.

“They constantly get tripped up on the facts,” he says.

“I went over two examples that are so clear,” he adds, referring to the testimony of RTC employee Warren McShane and a crime report from the Riverside County Sheriff’s Office. McShane’s story about Miscavige’s travel records changed after he submitted a declaration, and the church has refused to turn over the full report from the Sheriff’s Office, which is a key piece of evidence about a Scientology spying operation run in Texas.

Jeffrey explains that the more discrepancies in their version of events, the more Scientology holds back, the more Waldrip has reason to have Miscavige deposed so Monique can get to the bottom of his role in the surveillance campaign.

As for when Scientology might present Miscavige for questioning, Jeffrey acknowledged that it might be some months. “Judge Waldrip just basically acknowledged the fact that we’d want the documents first. Scientology is going to claim that Miscavige is unavailable, so there should be no problem turning over the documents first,” he says. “As usual, the judge was being careful and thoughtful.”

We asked attorney Scott Pilutik to give us his thoughts about Jeffrey’s suggestion that Scientology may be filing a petition for a writ of mandumus…

A state court writ of mandamus (and let me disclaim I’m not familiar with Texas’s specifically) is extraordinary for a few reasons, but one very symbolic reason in particular: it exists as a separate case wherein the applicant literally sues the judge, arguing in essence that the judge is so over the line that the higher court must direct that judge to do something (or, as here, stop doing something) or else the applicant will experience harm for which there is no adequate remedy. It’s reserved for trial court situations where a judge so clearly abuses his/her discretion that he/she must be stopped cold by a higher court.

What substantial rights are imperiled here? Miscavige having to answer questions in a deposition? Mandamus is a plausible equitable remedy where a party is about to be sentenced without a trial, or a home foreclosed on without notice, or any one of a thousand other more dire and compelling consequences than Miscavige being asked questions he’d prefer not to be asked. In other words, there is an adequate remedy at law — an ordinary appeal or motion to strike his testimony. After Miscavige gets deposed, what damage will there be to Scientology, religion, life, the universe and everything? We’ll all just callously shrug and say, “He got deposed. People get deposed.”

The problem, of course, is that there are simply too many facts piled atop other facts not in Scientology’s favor here. To sports-analogize, imagine a baseball team losing 5-1 entering the bottom of the ninth inning, and instead of taking the field, calling up MLB and asking it to award it a win because it didn’t like a few called strikes. Good luck and bon voyage, Captain Miscavige.

We’ll be looking to see if Scientology files that petition. In the meantime, Ray Jeffrey told us that in general, he was feeling relieved after yesterday’s long hearing.

“It was pretty tiring, but at least it turned out OK by the end of the day,” he says.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 23, 2014 at 16:00

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  • Robert Eckert

    OK, so by Jan. 27 they are supposed to have complied with the production order on the anti-SLAPP issues, and by Jan. 29 they are supposed to have worked out with Ray what they will produce on the jurisdiction issue or else he can present the Motion for Sanctions again, amended to include defiance of the judge’s order if they don’t obey on Jan. 27 and with more specifics about their bad faith in discovery about the jurisdiction issue if the Jan. 29 deadline slips– is that the picture? Does this mean there will be a hearing before Waldrip on the 29th, or not until Feb. 3rd? Feb. 3rd is supposed to be anti-SLAPP and I would think the Sanctions still needs its own day.

    • Tony Ortega

      Not another hearing. The only hearing now is set for Feb 3. If they still haven’t turned over documents next week, Ray files a motion to compel.

  • Cat Daddy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandamus

    “Mandamus is a judicial remedy in the form of an order from a superior court, to any government subordinate court, corporation, or public authority—to
    do (or forbear from doing) some specific act which that body is obliged
    under law to do (or refrain from doing)—and which is in the nature of
    public duty, and in certain cases one of a statutory duty. It cannot be
    issued to compel an authority to do something against statutory
    provision. For example, it cannot be used to force a lower court to
    reject or authorize applications that have been made, but if the court
    refuses to rule one way or the other then a mandamus can be used to
    order the court to rule on the applications.

    Mandamus may be a command to do an administrative action or not to take a particular action, and it is supplemented by legal rights. In the American
    legal system it must be a judicially enforceable and legally protected
    right before one suffering a grievance can ask for a mandamus. A person
    can be said to be aggrieved only when he is denied a legal right by
    someone who has a legal duty to do something and abstains from doing it.”

    • Robert Eckert

      Repost of what I replied literally seconds before Tony’s NEW POST UP hit:

      [Great White Clam

      ...And not to derail, but I heard some chatter over on ESMB about Wallace Jefferson possibly attempting a Writ Of Mandamus in the Rathbun case....]

      [Cat Daddy http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?34639-Hearing-Jan-22-Miscavige-still-to-be-deposed&p=896331&viewfull=1#post896331 ]

      [Robert Eckert

      They threatened that back when Waldrip first ordered the Miscavige deposition last month, but although Waldrip gave them a week to pursue it, they filed nothing at the time. Lone Star writes on the ESMB thread (see Cat Daddy's link) that Nick (the local journalist who fed Tony the blow-by-blow yesterday) has been told Wallace Jefferson definitely intends filing the thing in the next couple days.

      Lone Star has the impression that this filing would stop the case dead while the appeals court chews on it. To be more precise, if the appeals court granted the writ of mandamus or issued a stay pending their hearing, that would stop anything at Waldrip's level. But: just filing a petition doesn't; a "petition" is not like an appeal by right; the appeals court can just give a one-word "DENIED" with no reason stated at all. Perhaps Wallace thinks he has too much "rank" for them to brush him off like that.]

      • Cat Daddy

        Thanks for that, It was a roller coaster ride to speed read and make myself understand that.

      • Watergate

        Excellent comments, Robert. Wallace is about to find out what his assets really are. Or aren’t.

      • Mooser

        “Perhaps Wallace thinks he has too much “rank” for them to brush him off like that.”

        As a sitting State Supreme Court Chief Justice, he had “rank”, you might say. As a retired S.S.C.C.J. keeping his reputation up is entirely his job.

        • Toni m

          So far…. he is failing.

      • Lone Star

        Actually I didn’t say ‘definitely’. Nick’s source was indirectly Ray Jeffreys via Mike Bennitt who said that Ray expects that Wallace J. will file a writ of Mandamus. If I implied that this was definite I certainly didn’t mean to.

        From my own quick research of Mandamus this morning it looked to me that it would grind these hearings to a halt until it was heard and settled. But I don’t know that for sure. Scott Pitulnik would be the one who could shed more light on this.

        • Robert Eckert

          Sorry. So Lone Star says that Nick says that Mike says that Ray says that Wallace says he will file it. I think that is what is ACTUALLY meant by “hearsay”. We’ll see if a petition in the higher court really materializes.

  • Missionary Kid

    If you haven’t already, here’s your chance to vote on what you believe the outcome of this case will be. You can up-vote on as many results as you want, even if they’re contradictory. It is an unscientific poll. Down-votes do not count. You can also see what others think the results will be. Go to http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/15/sunday-funnies-scientology-celebrates-the-holidays/#comment-1167327042

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Church of Scientology attorneys E. Stuart Mills and J. Wentworth Piggleswaite were already on top on things two weeks ago when Piggleswaite recommended that we file a Writ of Mandamus.

    This is truly life following art:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fMqMaXSRm8

    • Lady Squash

      Love it. Thanks for another awesome video.

  • Anandamide

    Can practically smell the Co$ legal team’s desperation in the air from the other side of the country. Did Ray Jeffrey have any comment on Jonathan Hull’s motion to quash miscavige’s deposition?

  • Great White Clam

    May the walls come tumbling down. They’re already crumbling, in case you hadn’t noticed.

  • Markthehungarian

    Wow!

    So Jeffrey thinks that a mandamus writ will likely be submitted. But it is likely impossible that it will be granted.

    So win-win then.

  • Watergate

    Thanks, Ray and Tony.

    • AnonBystander

      And a big thanks to Tikk too for his analysis and this gem. :-)

      “Good luck and bon voyage Captain Miscavige.” bwaahahaahaaa

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Oh yes, Bon Voyage, Captain Blackheart! Thanks for the gig.

        http://i.imgur.com/HDzSLhQl.jpg
        (shoop from WWP Anonymous)

        • Toni m

          Nice and creepy. Nice that you find it for us and creepy…,, Oh well this pair is always ridiculous creepy. Thank you.

  • http://twitter.com/TaxFreeCOB Leader Of Leaders

    Miscavige is also having his attorney’s filing a Writ of Butthurt due to the fact that Judge Waldrip had no idea who he was. While in fact he is the world famous, celebrity, Ecclesiastical Leader of Leaders. What the Eff Dib? Are you living in a cave?

    • Cat Daddy
    • Robert Eckert

      ^^^^^^^^^^ Extra upvotes for that “Writ of Butthurt”

      • Great White Clam

        MK, put that on the list!

        • Missionary Kid

          I probably won’t, but I’ll collect it.

    • Mooser

      Dear Judge Waldrip: Your Honor, you may have no idea who I, David Miscavige is, but let me assure you that Tom Cruise does. And that ought to be enough for you. Signed Capt. Pope Miscavige

      • Andrew Underhill

        I wonder if he is a three star pope or a four star pope? Galactic Pope perhaps?

        • Ciru

          He reminds me of the space pope from Futurama.

          http://theinfosphere.org/images/8/83/Space_Pope.jpg

          • Lord Xenu, OT XV

            Well, since he will not only be the savior of planet Earth (AKA – Teegeeack), he will be ultimately responsible for saving the entire Universe! There is no other title that does this hugely big thetan justice other than “The Supreme Ruula, Jr.” LRH is senior to him. ;-)

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Since he wears that fancy braided lanyard as part of his uniform, he’s Pope-on-a-Rope.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Since he wears that fancy braided lanyard as part of his uniform, he’s Pope-on-a-Rope.

    • marti

      http://tonyortega.org/2013/11/10/scientology-attacks-garcia-filing-marc-headley-schools-clearwaters-mayor/

      “Years ago when I still worked with David Miscavige he attended a celebrity birthday party in Los Angeles. Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Oprah Winfrey, Bill Clinton and many others were there at the party. When David Miscavige returned to the Scientology facilities in Los Angeles, a staffer asked him if he met Bill Clinton. “No,” Miscavige replied, “He met ME!”

      Portion of Marc Headley letter to Clearwater Mayor George Cretekos.

      • dagobarbz

        I think the big difference here might be that Miscavige remembers Clinton, not the other way round. I bet Bill would say, “Dave who??? I’ve met a lot of Daves.”

        • AintMizBahavin

          dang i should have read your post before commenting lol

      • AintMizBahavin

        clinton met him but it did nothing for him. so he obviously didnt make an impression on clinton like he did cruise.. but then clinton likes women and lil boys.. not height challenged trolls

    • Watcher

      Definitely one of the funniest lines ever that old Davie would be recognized by millions and the judge, like the other 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of human beings or extraterrestrials, has no clue who he is.

    • J. Swift

      “Writ of Butthurt” — that is so funny that someone I know will be borrowing it for their blog…

      • aegerprimo

        Excellent!

    • Elar Aitch

      this comes to pass…when a meme is born

    • Barbara Angel

      Love it, just love it…. Writ of “Butthurt” Hahahahahaha thanks for the laugh it’s a good one.

    • AintMizBahavin

      im gonna borrow with no intention of returning your quote” writ of butthurt” i cant wait to get on the air tomorrow and use it.. lol Thank You for the cry laugh it was needed

      • http://twitter.com/TaxFreeCOB Leader Of Leaders

        Feel free to use it anytime. What kind of a show is it that you’re on?

  • Baby

    Scott I love your baseball analogy… Woo Hoo.. Never count your chickens until they are hatched.

    That said Zippity Do Dah and Thank you Ray, Tony and Scott!

    • Mooser

      Hatched? I’ve seen ‘em go real fast after that. Don’t count your chicks until they scratch.

    • Ruby

      I’m with you on loving the sports analogies. Law, I don’t get that so much…baseball, I get that!!
      These lawyers boys and Captain Miscavige have long ago run up the count to 3 and 2 and now just keep hitting foul tips. Pretty soon it will be Strike 3!

      • Baby

        Hey Rubes.. Yep!

        but I think it Should have been Strike 3 Years and Years ago.. sigh ; /

        During Hubs reign, huh? Overboarding, kid’s in lockers, disconnection … etc. etc.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Wallace Jefferson should be ashamed of himself.. There’s no way an intelligent, marginally savvy human being can avoid seeing what a sleazy group of liars and thieves he’s lining himself up with..

    • Missionary Kid

      He won’t be ashamed. He’s being paid big bucks to do DM’s bidding. It’s DM’s loss and his financial gain.

      • Great White Clam

        Law is an adversarial contest. Wallace Jefferson is merely a hired champion paid to fight for the $cilon Empire. When the money runs out, he’s outta there. I don’t think he will do anything other than his job, and I also think that he will do his job well.

        Time will tell what the outcome of the contest is to be.

        • Mooser

          “I don’t think he will do anything other than his job, and I also think that he will do his job well.”

          Even a defense lawyer is an ‘officer of the court’. And since it should be very clear to Wallace (Wallace?) that he is not raising a vigorous defense, but instead, conspiring to at the least delay, if not suborn or pervert justice. Money or no money, no lawyer has a right to do that, and remain untainted by it, and he won’t either.

          • Great White Clam

            Yep.
            And as with all things ‘taint’ often finds oneself between a rock and a hard place when one goes there.

          • Missionary Kid

            Delay is a part of his defense.

            • Gerard Plourde

              “Delay is a part of his defense.”

              As it is in most cases.

          • Toni m

            Money, Money, Money……more Money.

          • Elar Aitch

            Hear hear. Nicely put.

      • AutOmatic

        But it’s blood money. He should be ashamed.

        • Missionary Kid

          He’s an attorney. Many have no shame.

          • sugarplumfairy

            And many do.. And I’d certainly expect a former state Chief Justice to be one of those..

            • Missionary Kid

              In his eyes, even the evil are entitled to legal representation, perhaps even more because people are “prejudiced” against them.

            • Barbara Angel

              Poor McSlappy, people are being *mean* to him. Its just not fair….Sob…sob…why can’t everyone see how crucial he is to clearing the planet. Ooops that should be clearing peoples *bank* *accounts*. lol

          • Mooser

            Yes, he is an attourney. He is also a State Supreme Court Chief Justice, too. Why throw that away?

            • Missionary Kid

              As far as the rest of the public is concerned, Co$ is just some weird religion, so he isn’t throwing anything away. Since we know it better, and consider it pure evil, we have a different viewpoint. It is such a minor organization that most people don’t care about it, let alone know about it..

            • Davka

              Kid, I was going to say that, but you just said it very well :)

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. :-)

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              You may be right, at that. There has been a slight uptick, lately. Scientology themes have been featured in popular media. There was that cover story on Vanity Fair. The Nat’l Enquirer is all over it (there’s the populist crowd). And Katie Holmes certainly resurrected a lot of interest.

              And Tom Cruise is still doing damage control. There’s Leah. And Kirstie.

              So… we shall see if, in the end, people care or not. One of the Kardashian’s could get a nose job, and then all bets are off.

            • Betsy

              I really agree. I’ll bet he could plausibly defend his action to the average Texan by simply saying that he is working to defend religious freedom.

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t think he needs to defend it. As an attorny, he’s just working for a client. Read Pronoia’s comment below. http://tonyortega.org/2014/01/23/ray-jeffrey-on-scientology-in-the-courtroom-constantly-getting-tripped-up-on-the-facts/#comment-1214434233

            • Jon Hendry

              Because he’s young, and there’s nowhere higher to go in the state justice system.

            • D.Y.G.

              He can make more money in private practice!

            • Jon Hendry

              Exactly.

        • Missionary Kid

          We know it’s blood money, but it hasn’t been proven in court, so legally, it isn’t.

          • Toni m

            What about morally? He knows about his client’s Blackheart. They said it.

            • Missionary Kid

              We’re the ones who are saying it’s blood money. Some people feel that to work for someone abhorrent is, in itself evil. However, the principle in our law is that everyone deserves the best representation in court that an attorney can give.

              Attorneys defend people that are guilty all the time. They are hired guns. The morality is that attorneys function in an adversarial system. The belief is that the result of the conflict will be that the person who commits a wrong will, after a trial of facts, be forced to pay for their deeds.

    • Mooser

      Wallace’s 12+ years as Texas Supreme Court Chief Justice, by all accounts, redound to his credit. And as a Bush Republican, and the first African-American to hold the post of Chief Justice, he would not have lacked for job offers, speaking offers, teaching offers. But he chose this, defending Scientology. Oh well, maybe it’s a natural progression for him.

      • sugarplumfairy

        I just don’t get it.. Did he do no research before taking this gig? Could he be so technically challenged that he can’t google scientology? Does he need money bad enough to sell his soul? I’m disgusted..

        • Mooser

          I’m fascinated! He must be quite a guy.

        • Missionary Kid

          We consider him as going over to the dark side. He just regards it as representing another odious client.

          • pronoia

            I have a friend in the UK who was a barrister for a long time. The nicest, sweetest, most generous and most honorable guy you can imagine in his private life. Great father, husband, community man etc, but professionally proud of the fact that he represented the most odious of clients — rapists murderers and so forth. He was a kick ass trial lawyer. Now he is a High Court Judge and when / if someone very much like what he used to represent is convicted in his court, he does not hesitate to sentence as hard as the law will allow.

        • Davka

          If, and this is an “if”, he believes there are constitutional (e.g., first amendment) issues at play, he could be able to tell himself that what he is doing is defending a constitutional right – remember, in the US, we place a high premium on “protecting the thought that we hate” (I am bastardizing a US Supreme Court quote here).

          Also, remember, Judge Waldrip didn’t know who Miscavige was – the hired guns defending Miscavige probably don’t either.

          • Robert Eckert

            Or rather: they didn’t know who Miscavige was. I bet they sure know now! The puzzle is that Lamont surely knew what kind of client from hell Miscavige is, before getting Wallace to throw away his Chief Justiceship for this stinking job.

            But maybe their attitude is: the worse the client, the more to your credit it is to fight valiantly for him. My sister once was assigned, as part of her firm’s pro bono work, to defend the head of Aryan Nation in Oregon when he was accused of being responsible for one of the member’s going out and stomping an immigrant, due to an incendiery speech he had given. There were First Amendment concerns about whether expressing vile views really equates to incitement to criminal violence. She got an appearance on local television out of it, but it was a seriously unpleasant gig: the client kept on insisting (incorrectly) that she was a Jew, for example.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              According to those kind of people, all lawyers are Jews.

        • RMycroft

          Maybe he owes his bro? Lamont Jefferson: “Help me! Help meeee!”

          • Robert Eckert
          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            It seems like Lamont makes a lot of stupid mistakes in what he says. Seems like Wallace is well respected and competent. He may well be trying to help his brother.

        • D.Y.G.

          He’s in it for the money! He is on record saying he needed money to put his kids through college, and that’s why he was stepping down from the bench.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Wonder if he has any idea how many kids’ college funds will be paying his retainer..

        • Toni m

          Me too.

      • Missionary Kid

        It’s just another job for him. Read what Eivol and Davka have written.

      • DamOTclese2

        It means that the lawyer has to work for organized crime from now on, I doubt that any legitimate company or individual would want that scumbag defending them after they find he’s worked for the mob.

      • SciWatcher

        Maybe the cult has somehow got something on him that they’re using to bribe him.

    • DamOTclese2

      A lawyer? Ashamed of himself? LOL!

  • J. Swift

    Good luck on that Writ of Mandamus in pretrial. My prediction is that it will be denied for this simple reason: David Miscavige can’t have it both ways. David Miscavige can’t say that he has no contacts with Texas while also refusing to prove in deposition that he has no contacts with Texas.

    IMO, the appeals court will deny the Writ of Mandamus by reasoning this way: So what if David Miscavige is ordered to a pretrial deposition? What makes David Miscavige different than anyone else who is being sued? The answer is nothing. In the eyes of the law, Miscavige is just some guy being sued in a civil case and the plaintiff gets to depose him.

    Wallace Jefferson will be throwing a Hail Mary pass here with his Writ of Mandamus and it will fail as will the anti-Slapp motion.

    • Drat

      What kind of strings can Wallace Jefferson pull?

      • Missionary Kid

        None. He’s just an attorney filing the writ, as far as any court is concerned. The case law takes precedence, and I’ll bet there’s none to support any writ.

        • Drat

          Then what is he doing on that team? Making sure his brother doesn’t sink the firm?

          • Davka

            Having been a Chief Justice in TX, he knows what goes into a successful and/or convincing appellate brief. You want that kind of expertise if you know you are planning to file an appeal.

          • Robert Eckert

            What Davka said: say you were preparing for a big job interview; wouldn’t it be nice, instead of guessing what will impress them, if you could talk to someone who has been a Hiring Manager at that firm and can tell you exactly what they look for?

            • Davka

              Robert, I kinda could use that in my real life right about now…..

            • Robert Eckert

              You ain’t alone there!

          • Betsy

            I keep wondering that also. It just seems (to legally ignorant me) that he is taking orders from his client. A state Supreme Court justice? What good is it having such a highly-placed lawyer if he is made to follow the absurd whims of the client? Or maybe I’m misunderstanding this…

            • Barbara Angel

              Naaaaaaaah Betsy its a pathetic intimidation attempt. Co$ under McSlappy’s instructions, will do anything in an attempt to stop him from being accountable. At the moment McSlappy will be hiding under his bed, only emerging to kick people and abuse them for not being able to get him off the hook. lol

            • Betsy

              One thing that is still amazing me is the degree to which others are willing to sacrifice themselves to keep the dinky dictator out of trouble. I was already amazed reading about those who did so for the Divinity, but…for DM???? I still don’t quite understand his exact position. I mean, LRH was to Scientology what the Prophet Joseph was to Mormons…infallible. But what is DM? He doesn’t get revelations, does he?

            • Barbara Angel

              Something in the Kool-Aid causes them to cringe in fear and allow the most ***outrageous crimes against humanity***. I think it’s to do with survival too, if they don’t carry out McSlappy’s wishes, he will **turn on them** instead. So basic survival turns good people into perpetrators. McSlappy is a brutal; sadistic, psychopathic Dictator and rules by fear and intimidation. It’s those still trapped that have my heart.

          • MaxSpaceman

            He’s on the team to provide his expertise – the appeal. Dave Miscavige will make every motion and appeal to every court possible, for any plausible reason, until all appeals are lost. As has been said, this case has just begun. Stock up on popcorn, caek, and beverage of all kinds. Be in it for the long run.

            “The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.” —L. Ron Hubbard, The Scientologist, a Manual on the Dissemination of Material, 1955

          • Barbara Angel

            He’s there as a prop. But this could be a good thing as Judge W will really go out of his way to make ‘sure’ that there is ***nothing*** they can contest further down the track. McSlappy can’t afford to be hauled in and made to explain his criminal actions. But the more they fight it, the MORE publicity = the more people will start to wonder = the more research they will do on their own = less potential future victims. So it’s ALL GOOD.

      • DamOTclese2

        It’s possible that David thought he would intimidate Judge Waldrip just by sitting there. David is foofoo insane, after all.

    • Great White Clam

      LOL
      How many such Writs ever get filed in a typical year in the US?
      How many such Writs are granted in a typical year in the US?

      Not many.

    • Gerard Plourde

      “David Miscavige can’t say that he has no contacts with Texas while also refusing to prove in deposition that he has no contacts with Texas.”

      You’re right about that and the facts only get murkier as they present more arguments, increasing the likelihood that a deposition of Miscavige is necessary.

    • kemist

      Perhaps this thing will result in something lulzy like them storming out of the court or a few haggard squirrel busters disguised as SS protesting outside to defend their religious freedom to harass people and send dildoes to their workplace. And/or celebrity whales like Krustie or the Prophet of the Lulz Himself, Tom Cruise, making insane statements in the media.

      That would be bound to provoke an actual media circus, and the popcorn would flow.

    • TX Lawyer

      Actually, they do have some chance of getting a mandamus petition granted, although I think it would still be a pretty slim chance. Texas courts are much more willing to grant mandamus than courts do in other states. I would guesstimate that maybe 1 in 20 is successful, but they are a well established part of our practice down here. Our state supreme court is also pretty big on protecting religious organizations from lawsuits. A few years back, they decided a fundamentalist church was immune from a lawsuit after they performed a forcible exorcism on a teenaged girl that left her with physical and mental injuries. (Just google “Texas Supreme Court exorcism case” and it will pop right up.) To his credit, then-Chief Justice Jefferson wrote the dissent in that case, but I’d still expect the religious liberty stuff to be his pitch in the appellate courts, and for it to have at least a little bit of appeal to the justices. Obviously, it ain’t flying in Comal County.

      Full disclosure: I’m a practicing litigator in Texas, and I kinda sorta know Wallace Jefferson a little bit (but not to the point that he’d be likely to remember my name).

      • pronoia

        Well, I suppose one *could* make the argument that an exorcism is a religious ritual. But stalking? Breaking into email and travel records? Spying? Squirrel Busters? Reality TV, maybe (which is sorta what it turned out to be) but Religious rituals?

        • TX Lawyer

          That’s why I think their chances of prevailing on mandamus are pretty slim. But you’re dealing with a supreme court that decided the courts couldn’t even hear a case where a church forcibly pinned a teenager to the floor for hours, contrary to her demands to be let go and without the consent or knowledge of her parents, which resulted in scrapes, bruises, rug burns, and serious psychological harm. It’s definitely not the same as what was inflicted on the Rathbuns, but it’s at least arguably in the same ballpark.

          • pronoia

            Well, from my vantage place up here in the cold, Texas is a baffling place. I would imagine that as long as the abuse was taking place in the name of Jeezus, it’s gotta be legal. But in the name of LRH and his Whole Track intergalactic drama? I’d kinda enjoy watching Texas supremes grapple with that one!

            • TX Lawyer

              That’s an entirely fair point. The extent to which non-Christian-Fundamentalists have to act out their faith against others is untrodden ground. Cynics would suggest that alternative faiths might be denied without reference to the merits.

            • Barbara Angel

              Seriously doubt if that will stop Co$ trying to hide behind the ‘religious’ rubbish. But like the rest of us, am hoping McSlappy will have to face the consequences at last. Thank you so much for your legal eagle inputs. I’m most grateful to hear from someone who actually ‘knows’ the system.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Thanks for the insights. I hope we will hear more from you!

        • TX Lawyer

          De nada. I’ve read enough of the commentary here in the last year or so to be entirely comfortable becoming a [n anonymous] contributor. The Rathbun case is fascinating from my perspective, in an “Is that really actionable?” sense. I honestly do not know which side will win out at the end of the appellate level, but this is certainly one of those cases where the extent of the a**hollery helps inform the court in their decision making.

      • Lady Squash

        Nice to hear from a Texas Lawyer. Thanks for chiming in.

        • joan nieman

          Yes. Thank you TX Lawyer. Your input is valuable.

      • Mirnaminkoff

        But I would also expect that the TX courts being big on “protecting religious organizations” extends only to those of the Christian persuasion. In red states the religious liberty stuff is usually just a code word for pandering to the religious Christian right. I promise you if it was Muslims practicing an exorcism under Sharia law, the mosque leaders would probably be on death row not to mention the gazillion dollar civil judgement against the organization.

  • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

    Oh this is just getting better and better. Another step closer to Slappy on the stand. Doing a happy dance this afternoon!

    • http://twitter.com/TaxFreeCOB Leader Of Leaders

      I’ll sit on the stand when you’re giving out free blowjobs, c***sucker.
      *Pouty face*

      • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

        Oh look on the bright side, you’ll get to see your old pal Marty!

  • Missionary Kid

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  • baddog5623

    Can Scientology be sanctioned for fileing a bogus writ?

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s very unlikely. What it means is that their side spends effort, time, and money on something frivolous. The cost to them is the penalty. (As well as other attorneys thinking they’re tools.)

      • Robert Eckert

        It’s possible they could be made to pay Jeffrey for his time, if the court is sufficiently ticked off at the bogosity of the filing. That doesn’t happen often, though. It would be fun if this was one of those times.

        • Great White Clam

          They should pay at a rate that is commensurate with the circumstances!

    • Toni m

      !HOPE SO!

  • Whoknew

    Love to hear from Ray! Wish we could be there literally in his corner, bringing refreshments and pep talks. Hope he’s getting shoulder massages after court.

  • Whoknew

    Reposting this b/c I put it on an old post….The commercial also showed in Houston last week during The Bachelor. Houston doesn’t have an Ideal org. The show did air at the same time as the game. Weird. Maybe an assumption was made that the large international population would be more likely to watch a reality show than American football…and I have suspected for awhile that the church is eager to get its mitts on new immigrants. They’re doing a poor job of it so far.

    • Missionary Kid

      I believe that sometimes commercial time is bought without designating exactly where it appears.

      • Whoknew

        Oh okay. Thanks. I’m clueless about this stuff. But it seems like they are so careful to spend money only where their publics will see it…and the brochure was specific about how the ad was meant to bring people to the ideal orgs.

        • Hubbub

          Someone yesterday also mentioned seeing the commercial in Texas. Wondering aloud, but maybe it’s part of the strategy to portray DM as a bigwig in a “major religion.” In Texas, that is, since the judge and most people in Texas don’t know who DM is, which makes it harder to assert that he’s akin to the Pope.

          • Whoknew

            Lol! Could be.

          • VickiStubing

            Yeah, a bigwig in a “major religion” who does no business in the great state of Texas. Not bloody likely.

            • Hubbub

              I wonder if the fact they are running ads in Texas qualifies as doing business? If some big national company (say Amazon) runs ads in my state to acquire business in my state, then they would probably have abide the laws of my state? (I really know nothing about interstate commerce….)

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              What does Interstate Commerce have to with with the highly, holy ecclesiastical activities of the Pope of Scientology???

            • Hubbub

              I’m sorry. I forgot. They aren’t a business. They are a religion. I keep getting this stuff confused! :)

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              They’re a business! (SMACK!)
              They’re a religion! (SMACK!)
              A BUSINESS! (SMACK!)
              RELIGION! (SMACK!)

              They’re a religion… and… a BUSINESS!

              (Now, imagine this being delivered by a dazed Faye Dunaway.)

            • Bernie Headley

              They’re two cults in one!

            • Observer

              “You got your business on my religion!”
              “Well, you got your religion on my business! And it’s … lucrative!”

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93hxKtd4CdA

            • Robert Eckert

              They’re a religion… and… a business… and… a NAVY!

            • Toni m

              Don’t worry their own lawyers are confused too, Sometimes they call him CEO of a corporation and others the Pope of his religion (cult).

      • texasborn

        If the show aired at the same time as the game, would it not have been on a different network? I would think you would buy commercial time with a specific network, right?

        • Whoknew

          Surely! The show is on ABC.

        • Robert Eckert

          Maybe they bought an unspecified time-slot with that network and the network said “Heh heh, these are the perfect people to dump into the slots that go up against the playoffs, when nobody will be watching us.”

          • texasborn

            Funny! And I hope that’s exactly what happened.

  • outraged

    If these sleaze bag only care about the moolah lawyers DO NOT do the mandamn, then what might happen instead?

    • Robert Eckert

      What happens instead if they don’t file this, and will happen anyway if they file this and lose, is that Waldrip will schedule Davey’s deposition, after wading through a bunch of excuses why this date and that date and the other date are impossible, because Davey is so very busy cutting a ribbon on the Sydney Ideal Org and that other day the lawyer for one of the PI’s is at a golf tournament, etc. But Waldrip will insist on some particular day in the calendar, and then Davey has until then to grab what money he can and run for it, or prepare to show up.

      • outraged

        he’s going to take the money and run.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL_7oltiinw

      • DamOTclese2

        Bet you $1 that the insane crook thinks he can beat this thing, thinks he’s smarter than everyone and will walk to his inevitable deposition thinking he can perjure from end to end and not slip up his “shore story.” His ego will demand that he beat the rap. He thinks he can continue the organized crime con game by falling back and consolidating in Clearwater.

        • Robert Eckert

          I’ll take that bet. The extraordinary gyrations to avoid a deposition are a sign that Davey thinks he’s toast if he sits down and testifies.

  • Sidney18511

    That would be great if they did the depo in the courtroom, as to let Judge Dib get a load of that shrimpy piece of slimy shit on a shingle in the flesh.

    I would imagine that Marty, with a great big shit-eating grin on his face while observing the festivities just might cause DMs head to EXPLODE.

    • Whoknew

      Hahaha! Marty looking right at him! This is an excellent image.

      • Sidney18511

        Holy shitskies! Can you just imagine that? DMs BIGGEST enemy In the flesh. Sitting there, with bells on, shooting lasers from his eyes! Oh how good is that picture?
        I hope it is video taped, so that one day in the future we might expect a little leakage.

        • Robert Eckert

          All I asked for was this simple thing: sharks with fricking laser beams on their heads…

      • DamOTclese2

        Marty looking right at him thinking “Tone 1.1 Club.” :)

    • Gerard Plourde

      I don’t think that Marty would be allowed to be present since he’s not a party to the action and because a deposition isn’t actually a court proceeding. Most times a deposition is taken in the office of the attorney requesting it, unless good reason exists to conduct it elsewhere (for example, the lawyer’s office is located far from the witness’s home). The only reason that the judge is entertaining the extraordinary step of having it in a courtroom with him present to rule on objections is because of the unusually obstructionist line the cult is pursuing.

      • George Layton

        It seems to me this writ will only further convince him that it will be best to hold it in his presence.

      • Robert Eckert

        Marty has apparently been allowed to sit in on all the depositions so far.

        • Gerard Plourde

          Interesting. Is that because Ray Jeffrey has indicated that Marty’s knowledge of the cult’s inner workings makes Marty a resource with expertise who can provide real time information to him that would help guide the process?

          • Robert Eckert

            I think that’s right. I vaguely remember some arguments about Marty’s status as an expert consultant early in the case: back when the Scientologists were arguing that he knew things that were confidential secrets, and simultaneously concocted lies?

            • Gerard Plourde

              I remember something about that connected with the Garcia case as well.

          • Betsy

            If the deposition is done in the courtroom, who would then be present?

            • Whoknew

              I would trade a Super Bowl ticket for that if I had one.

            • Betsy

              You and everyone here! Oh…this MUST MUST MUST happen.

        • DamOTclese2

          Did the crooks have a standing objection to Marty being present during deppo?

          • Robert Eckert

            No, he just speaks up at the beginning, when they are going around to all the lawyers who I’m-so-and-so-representing-so-and-so, and he says I’m Mark Rathbun [his legal name] husband of the plaintiff.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I think it is reasonable for Monique to request that her husband be present. Particularly as he was a direct witness to most of what was going on.

        • Gerard Plourde

          “he was a direct witness to most of what was going on.”

          That fact might support an argument to exclude him since it could be argued that he could alter his testimony based on what he heard.

      • Great White Clam

        There might be some consideration given too the state of being “husband” or “spouse”

      • pronoia

        I am pretty sure Marty was present for the depositions of Tommy Davis, Warren McShane and Allen Cartwright. So there would be no reason for him not to be present at David Miscavige’s deposition.

      • deathtoallpoliticians

        mr. ploude, are you suggesting that a deposition is not a court proceeding because it is not done in court? a deposition is most certainly a court proceeding. it is done under oath to determine the testimony of a witness prior to actually questioning said witness at trial. this “locks down” the witness testimony for the actual trial. in fact, a deposition is part of the discovery process…itself, also being part of the court proceedings for an action. cheers!

        • Gerard Plourde

          By not a court proceeding I mean that it forms part of the discovery process as a preliminary to actual trial. You’re absolutely right that it is used to lock a witness’s testimony down and can be used to impeach a witness whose testimony changes at trial. Sorry if that appeared imprecise. Because of the unusual possibility that Miscavige’s deposition may be taken before Judge Waldrip, I was attempting to differentiate preliminary matters from actual trial for non-lawyer readers of the blog.

      • TX Lawyer

        The spouses of parties to the lawsuit are generally permitted to attend any deposition in the case, as recognized in Texas Rule of Civil Procedure 200(2)(a). I suppose the defendants could file a motion to exclude Marty from the room, but that would be a very long shot.

    • DamOTclese2

      First run the sociopath will refuse to answer questions honestly, he’ll evade, refuse, pretend he’s a dripping idiot who does not understand the meaning of every word put to him.

      Second run the sociopath will get to do his Slappy Dance in front of the Judge real time. Then we’ll see the fucktard remanded in to custody for contempt whereafter the next session he gets to do his Slappy Dance wearing orange.

      • SciWatcher

        “pretend he’s a dripping idiot who does not understand the
        meaning of every word put to him.”

        This won’t be too much of a stretch.

        • Gus_Cox

          Miscavige is such an assbag. “I don’t understand what you mean by ‘take,’” in one of His depositions. As in “take a course” which every fucking clam knows the meaning of. And His lawyers in this case interrupting over and over about calling Him “Captain Miscavige.”

          I’d trade Super Bowl tickets to be in the courtroom when that little turd gets deposed too!

  • Anonymous

    I love it when Tikk explains legal situations with sports analogies! Go Rangers!

  • BosonStark

    I’d file a writ of dwarfdammiscavige and get the tiny Captain deposed immediately.

    • Great White Clam

      Maybe it should become known for all time as “The Infamous Great Writ Of Cabbage”

      • ze moo

        Cabbage becomes coleslaw very easily.

  • Watergate

    I’m not an alarmist. But Ray Jeffrey – please take good care of yoursef.

    • Axton

      He was the Mayor. He’s got friends in LEA

  • Chee Chalker

    Just when you think it can’t get any better! Facts are tricky things don’t you know. COB is terrified of this dep because he knows there are consequences to lying under oath. The man is so used to lying to his “congregation” and everyone else that having to tell the truth is a very scary thing.

    If they do file the writ, I hope Marty contacts everyone he knows in the media so there will be a true media circus. Expose theses lawyers (specifically the Jeffersons) for what they are. Rathbun needs to retell the story about Miscavige wanting complete access to judges chambers during the McPherson fiasco. I think the general public would be repulsed at the Co$’s behavior. There are few things more distasteful than someone who believes they are above the law. Who the h e double hockey sticks is this little man that he is too good to be deposed? This is a self declared pope of a religion that calls itself “the most ethical people on the planet” who sends a dildo to the workplace of an innocent woman.

    Give it up Dave, be a man, speak your truth (as Oprah would say) and let the chips fall where they may.

    • Whoknew

      “This is a self declared pope of a religion that calls itself “the most ethical people on the planet” who sends a dildo to the workplace of an innocent woman.” May borrow this when explaining who he is to people.

      • Andrew Underhill

        At some point I might have argued that he would not have been involved in that decision even if he has set the hounds on the Rathburns, but after what has been revealed, I now think that it is unlikely that he did not order it.

      • Missionary Kid

        Remember that their definition of ethics is unique to them. It has no correlation to the common definition.

    • Fremdscham

      You are right about the absolute need for a media circus if that were to happen. Public pressure is the only thing that could possibly overcome the cronyism I fear the cherch is relying on with a possible writ of mandamus. Why else have a former Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme court on your legal team? Surely they think he has contacts that he is able and willing to push in their own favor. The average Texan needs to be pissed off about this in order to override the cronyism. Scientology thinks they are famous and “millions” would recognize Der Munchkin, but in reality most people think they are just harmless weirdos, and so they fly under the radar of public scrutiny and opinion. Maybe a whopping dose of good ol’ public disapproval would at least appear to shame these people into good behavior (I have my doubts of them actually being capable of feeling real shame). I know absolutely nothing about Wallace Jefferson’s career, but I hope that blood money is good–because he sold his soul for it.

      • Gerard Plourde

        “I have my doubts of them actually being capable of feeling real shame.”

        You’re right about that. Every action they’ve engaged in since 1953 proves they have no shame.

      • Betsy

        This is so, so true. To most of the outside world…or at least the part of it I have contact with…Scientology is a joke about Tom Cruise and David Miscavige is unknown. I would wager that most Americans have only a fuzzy idea who L. Ron Hubbard was. I think a media circus is necessary also. If this could somehow grab the public in the same way that, say, Phil Spector’s murder trial did, the pressure against Scientology would increase exponentially, I think.

    • SciWatcher

      ” COB is terrified of this dep because he knows there are consequences to lying under oath.”

      I think he’s more terrified that he’ll look like an idiot and people will laugh at him.

      • Chee Chalker

        Very true…..a sociopath hates humiliation

  • ze moo

    There are going to ups and downs as this case works its way to a trial. Getting Davey deposed is starting to look like a no-brainer. The clams attorneys can whine and bitch all they want, but it seems a forgone conclusion. That the clamtorneys {clam attorneys} have not turned over evidence is something that the court is going to take a very close look at. Judges don’t like it when their orders are not followed.

    Waldrip is in control of the courtroom and the lawyers know that. That should put some shenanigans back in the wookie trick bad. Even lawyers working for Miscavige don’t want to be professionally sanctioned.

    There is a lot of case to go yet. MIscavige can say pretty much any thing he wants in deposition. Jail time for lying in a deposition in a civil trial is very rare, they usually just make them pay more. Davey could care what damages are eventually awarded to Monique Rathbun, it’s not coming out of his salary. While it does seem that Davey would rather eat dirt then pay the Rathbuns anything, in the end it isn’t coming out of his paycheck. The deposition fight is just to eat up time and money. The evidence the various Co$ entities were ordered to produce have much more ability to shoot off toes.

    There will be fights about ‘free speech’ and ‘religious freedom’ that can easily be appealed to higher court. Get lots of popcorn, this marathon has just begun.

    • DamOTclese2

      It’s not the money. David would have to abide by the injunction and restraining order, a legal document that stops him from committing more racketeering harassment against Monique.

      That’s what the crook does not want to stand. He will be forever referred to as the criminal ringleader who has a restraining order against him for organized crime.

  • Great White Clam

    If Miss Cabbage were allowed to have a pet cat in prison, I am sure the cat would “demurrrrrrrrrer” rather than “purr”

    • Mooser

      I’m with you, GWC! No matter how misbegotten or unwanted it is, any joke conceived has a right to be delivered!

      • Great White Clam

        Here. Hold my beer…

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I wish them luck (the good guys).

    When people say to me, “If they are so bad, why don’t the police throw them in jail”. Well, our societies are just not that good with organized crime. The cops took a long time to go after the Hell’s Angels and the Mafia, whom in my opinion are far worse than Scientology. You might say our governments lack the toolbox.

    If Scientology wins here, I assume that the Squirrel Busters can go after anyone they want in the state of Texas claiming their actions fall under “religious freedom”. I would love to see their lawyers attacked in exactly the way Monique Rathbun has been attacked.

    • Gerard Plourde

      It’s hard to conceive a scenario where the cult would win this case. The facts are ones that most people would find outrageous and I think it’s really a stretch to find the actions (sending sex object to Mosey’s workplace, aiming cameras at the Rathbuns’ home and engaging in confrontations on a daily basis for months) protected religious activity. (The closest parallel would be the Westboro Baptist Church’s picketing of funerals but those occur on the public sidewalk. If the WBC took their protest into a church service or a funeral home they would probably be arrested for trespass.)

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        The law is a mystery. I am told that there are some cases where it doesn’t matter what you try or who you get to defend you, guilty is guilty. But there are so many cases where guilty becomes not proven. Lisa McPherson seemed open and shut until they got to the coroner, Joan Wood. I hope you are right.

        • Gerard Plourde

          The difficulty with the Lisa McPherson case was that it hinged on the coroner’s testimony. There was no evidence that could be presented through direct testimony about Lisa’s treatment in the Ft. Harrision Hotel – it all had to be reconstructed from the expert testimony of the coroner based on the findings of the autopsy.

          • pronoia

            And it was originally a criminal prosecution which has a much higher burden of proof. Remember that OJ lost in civil court. Which led to his eventual downfall.

    • DamOTclese2

      The Italian Mafia is still going, they just went “legitimate” and spent more money up front. The Mafia still exists, still runs things. Look at Chris Christie, he works for the mob.

      • Robert Eckert

        No no, he just has some friends in the olive-oil importing business.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    “He got deposed. People get deposed.”

    As opposed to what Scientologists will say: “She died. People die every day.”

    Our friends inside the CoS still need to Word Clear cognitive dissonance…

    • Mooser

      Gosh, while they were word-clearing “depose” maybe they will notice the first definition is: “remove from office suddenly and forcefully.”

      • RMycroft

        Miscavige should just accept it, and be deposed of, quietly and without sorrow.

        • Mooser

          But Scientology has no process for succession, for replacing an ailing or corrupt leader, anything. So what we’ll get is a bloody succession fight which will start the moment Miscavige weakens. He doesn’t have to die, just get sick. Hire a food taster, Davey.
          There’s no administrative process to replace him, there’s no way the membership can pressure the central administration, so it’ll get done the old fashioned way.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            “The old-fashioned way” in Scientology involves a handful of pinks and grays in a Bluebird motor home, as I seem to recall…

            • Mooser

              Something like that. I wonder who will emerge as the new Captain Pope? I haven’t paid much attention to anybopdy much besides L Ron and Miscavige, but soon we might need a scorecard to delineate the different factions fighting for control. They will take over the Church and its assets just in time to discover you can’t refund %300 of anything.

            • Fremdscham

              Just a thought: the evil schmuck who takes over finds (relatively) few assets and cash that he/she can grab because Derpy McStump has hidden most of it away in areas nobody else can find/get at.

  • Mark

    “Mandamus” means “we command” in Latin. I can think of at least one Latin command suitable for Shortarse just now (refresh):

    • aegerprimo

      Latin, oh goody I like it (as you can tell from my moniker). Mark, lets see if I translated this right….

      Dwarf David Miscavige himself has always been a master CICS (counter intentioned cock sucker) bed-bug.

      Yes?

      • Mark

        Nearly! Look at the crib again and remember that “se ipsum” makes the verb reflexive ;)

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Am I missing irrumabo in that translation…?

          • Mark

            I think aegerprimo did.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              In context, are we talking buggery, or good old-fashioned Fornication Under Consent of the King?

            • Mark

              I think either would do – in this context.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          Clever!

        • aegerprimo

          Oh, then it’s more like this?

          • Mark

            Eek, an ouroboros! I shouldn’t have been so obscure and used ‘cimex’ to refer to a certain – ahem – fundamental portion of the human anatomy (Romans calling it a ‘bedbug’ was akin to the Australian slang ‘freckle’ for the same thing). Upon further consultation with Google Translate & my trusty Kennedy’s Latin Primer what I should have put was probably: “Mandamus quod Breviculum, alias David Miscavige, se confutuere.”

    • ze moo

      That classical British education is never wasted is it? Giggles…..

  • Mooser

    I think Miscavige is laboring under a misconception; it is to his advantage to provide evidence in discovery. As I understand it, if Scio. does not provide evidence, than Rathbun’s version of events will be accepted if reasonable. They don’t just shrug and give up if the defendants won’t provide the materials called for.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I think we all know why Miscavige is so sceeered and feels he would be in imminent peril if he had to (gasp) sit in a deposition room with you know who there…no, not Marty! Maybe Mosey, but most definitely…

    http://i.imgur.com/aafEyE9.jpg

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Dear Ray Jeffrey,
    You are a hero to me. Your skill in handling the legal machinations of the COS is absolutely delightful to watch. It is a new era in litigation concerning scientology, and it is Ray Jeffrey who has made that happen. The cult may be slow to catch on to the new status quo, but that only means more lulz for all of us watching. Thanks for that.

    Dear Monique Rathbun,
    I am rooting for you so much to prevail in this case. So far, so good — this proceeding has become a steady source of things to the detriment of that money-grubbing cult. I am certain the final outcome will only serve to diminish the cult’s ability to do harm to people who dare to speak out, and innocent bystanders who happen to love those who speak out. That is the ultimate goal for all of us who hate what this cult has done — no more harm. And I hope you, and Marty, and your dear little baby are all happy and thriving, and know you have the good will of a lot of people behind you.

    And finally, Dear Tony, thanks for your excellent reporting. So much love to you, for your commitment to this story. I am eagerly awaiting your book, so hurry up! In the mean time…This is getting good. It’s great to have a front row seat for this new chapter in a long, sad, and crazy saga. May it be the final chapter for the “Church” of scientology!

    Peace.

    • El Con Blubbard

      I second all these motions!

    • aquaclara

      Love this, CV.

  • media_lush

    I love Scott’s anology:

    “To sports-analogize, imagine a baseball team losing 5-1 entering the bottom of the ninth inning, and instead of taking the field, calling up MLB and asking it to award it a win because it didn’t like a few called strikes”

    …. but it did remind me of the time when the Sheik of Kuwait actually interrupted a world cup match (France vs Kuwait 1982) by walking onto the pitch to protest a goal (the goal was rescinded)

  • 0tessa

    In the end this is a fight between two men: Rathbun and Miscavige. Two sworn enemies.
    Miscavige making a deposition in the courtroom in front of Rathbun, means loss of face.
    It will be for him the ultimate humiliation. He, who has humiliated himself so many people.
    It would be a sweet revenge for Rathbun. Though that is not his purpose.
    Miscavige will go to extremes to prevent this from happening. But he runs out of means.
    The only way out of this is to do a ‘Hubbard bunk’. Disappear completely. That would solve many a problem.
    But we want justice done. We think he does not disappear, which would mean ultimate defeat in his eyes.
    He will move earth and heaven to stay out of court, but it becomes more and more inevitable.
    It is time for the show-down. The great demasque.
    Mr. Rathbun: curtains please.

    • Missionary Kid

      If he disappears, he forfeits, with penalties, as well as a declaration by the judge that he’s a sleazebag. It will all be a part of the public record. More damage in the long run.

  • NOLAGirl

    Totally off topic, but does anyone know when the Garcia case is expected to pick up again? I read the last documents Tony posted and the Judge had given them 90 days which would put them into March. Am I correct in saying that’s when they’re expected to resume or hear a ruling from Whittemore?

    ETA: Go Mosey!! Go Ray!!

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    In 1998, President Clinton was deposed in the Paula Jones lawsuit. There was less hysteria about that deposition than there is now about the ordered deposition of Miscavige. Reality has to hit soon, he is not an important person. He has fewer followers than Luke Skywalker, he has less personal money than thousands of millionaires, he is shorter than 70% of the men in the western industrialized world, and he is the head of the world’s fastest shrinking religion. What he has, however, is a lot of lawyers and the entire bank account of the Church of Scientology and RTC to pay for them. Now Miscavige’s lawyers want to file a writ of mandamus because the trier of fact, the judge, has found discrepancies in testimony and pleadings, and has ordered a deposition so that Miscavige, himself, can answer questions that his representatives have screwed up. In other words, the judge wants to hear from Miscavige himself not his “spokespeople.” How much money must the State of a Texas spend so that Miscavige can continue to pretend he is important? How much of this insanity will the higher courts of Texas allow? Miscavige probably believes he can buy a judge by making large campaign contributions to either political parties or the campaigns if the judge is elected and not appointed. If any judge or political party takes that money and promises influence in return, they may as well resign today. Their career will not have much mileage if they have “peddled influence” and it is leaked to the Internet. Even if they haven’t done anything wrong, do they really think David Miscavige is going to help their careers and their legacies? Did Jim Jones? Or Jimmy Baker or any other egomaniac or psychotic religious leader? The more Miscavige “campaigns” against Judge Waldrip the more the legal community of Texas will despise him. Judge Waldrip is a good judge trying to make balanced decisions based on solid law. The psychotic before him has done nothing to earn the respect of the legal community, or even the religious community. Miscavige’s legacy consists of: beatings, kidnappings, forced imprisonment, forced abortions, psychotic abuse of his underlings, lying, misuse of power, and living as a billionaire while his minions live on beans and rice. He is so uneducated he thinks empty garish buildings mean more than building a thriving community. He has never, to my knowledge, even considered building a new school or community center or playground as a way of giving back to the community. Instead, he imitates the wealthy lifestyle of Tom Cruise, living on money he has squeezed out of people before he throws them away.. What a despicable little man. Yet, he thinks he can best Judge Waldrip. David Miscavige will not win this fight.

    • Fremdscham

      “In 1998, President Clinton was deposed in the Paula Jones lawsuit. There was less hysteria about that deposition than there is now about the ordered deposition of Miscavige.”

      That’s a mighty fine piece of perspective you present there. Really really good.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Yep. And Clinton lied under oath, ‘fessed up, and today seems to be doing a lot better than the Dainty Miss on his best day.

        Hey Miscavige– what powers does Bill Clinton have that you and your pretend religion don’t?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Well, we know they have “smoking” in common ;-)

          • Betsy

            Is that true? I mean, I know about Clinton…I thought DM was so saturated in CO$ from early childhood that he was actually rather puritanical, in an Ivan-the-Terrible sort of way…

            • pronoia

              You can hear it in his voice that he smokes like a fiend. For the most detail on his smoking habits read Blown For Good by Marc Headley. For instance, whenever COB calls a meeting, his minions make sure that beside his seat are the following (as far as I can remember): bottled water (of only a certain brand), an ashtray (of certain specifications) and a new pack of unfiltered Camels.

            • Betsy

              Oh, thanks! And I had forgotten that the Divinity smoked Camels and sent the revelation that Scientologists won’t get cancer. I keep getting this wonderful religion mixed up with the Mormons.

            • Barbara Angel

              Notice the same fool or fools keep voting you down. He/they have passed judgement on you Betsy. Hopefully he will get bored soon and go and play in the traffic. lol

            • Betsy

              Not to worry! Enough good people here have been kind enough to answer my questions (dumb as they may be, since I am a never-in) or comment on my comments that I’m feeling fine about it. I don’t even look at the votes. Thanks to you, BA, for the nice support. This is a battle that needs all possible volunteers. I can’t believe it…I’m STILL finding out things that shock me.

            • Barbara Angel

              Ditto: the whole Co$ thing is unbelievable ***SHOCKING***! It took a lot of reading for me to understand how it’s allowed to keep happening, still presses my buttons big time tho’.
              Yes, it is “a Battle that needs all volunteers” so the pack attacks that occur on this site from time to time are ludicrous and on occasions…. just plain stupid. Some feel they can set themselves up as Judge & Jury, as far as I’m concerned they can go and ‘direct traffic’ that should make them/him feel really powerful…. lol

            • Barbara Angel

              Unfiltered Camels? YAY X 1,000 time to send a donation to the Tobacco industry. No chance of dangerous chemicals being caught in the filter. Unfiltered ciggies can be a much needed valuable tool for shortening the lives of smokers.

          • Casabeca

            Cigar? Cigarette? Cigarillo!

            • Betsy

              LOL! I’ll bet you remember Edie Adams!

            • Casabeca

              I am embarrassed to admit I was thinking of Monica L.
              So bad, I know ;-).

          • Elar Aitch

            bazinga

          • joan nieman

            Lol!

        • Barbara Angel

          The ability to realise right from wrong maybe? OK Clinton lied to save his arse, realised he couldn’t get away with it and confessed to the world. McSlappy on the other hand would deny to his deathbed anything incriminating because the whole wide world is being mean to HIM. One is an adult man and the other a snivelling little bully, who can’t face being wrong, but would dance with glee if someone else is caught out. McSlappy your days as self-appointed pope are numbered.

          • AintMizBahavin

            i love your post

      • Toni m

        Clinton was running a country and what captain iron man is doing? Running the fastest shrinking religion (cult) of the world? or America? or Florida? Because where he said he has parishioners are only empty buildings. “He is to busy to be depose” will not work.

    • Phil McKraken

      Another funny thing about the Clinton situation is that, after he lost in the Supreme Court in trying to get the suit delayed until he was out of office, he could have thrown up his hands and said, in effect, “I’m too busy to defend against this suit; I submit to summary judgment.” That deposition and all the rest would never have come to pass.

      Miscavige has no similar out. He’s got to defend or settle this suit. If the settlement demand is too onerous, he’s as stuck as a mating dog. Deposition will happen. Truth will be murderous. Lies will be criminal.

    • Lone Star

      What an awesome post!!! Giving you a standing ovation!!!

    • El Con Blubbard

      Anyone want to write the script of the deposition – keeping in mind “Lou” will be the communicator in this deposition…this could be a hysterical Saturday Nite Live Skit!! Please – someone contact Loren Michaels!! Now…who will play Captain Black Heart? Seth Meyers

      Who will play “Lou”? Nasim Pedrod

      Who will play Judge Dib? Bobby Moyniham

      Who will play Wallace Jefferson? Kenan Thompson

    • J. Swift

      Amazing post.

    • SciWatcher

      Wow, amazingly well said. Let’s hope the little BM himself reads this.

      • Barbara Angel

        Up vote X 1,000

    • Tory Christman

      “David Miscavige will not win this fight” <<<<< Music to my ears! Thank you Still_On_Your_Side, and Tony and all here. :)

    • aquaclara

      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. No, he will not win this fight. And with the legacy he is leaving, as you have so brilliantly stated, he’s not winning the next fight, either.

    • Barbara Angel

      Your post is so fantastically INSIGHTFUL. Well done and thank you. This whole situation has arisen due to McSlappy’s MEGALOMANIA and now it’s time to wake up McSlappy. Some thoughts from the Pope of the Catholic Church http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/01/24/14/32/pope-francis-calls-internet-a-gift-from-god “Pope Francis calls the internet a gift from God”. Hey McSlappy how about that? What do you think of the internet and how this has benefited your Greedy; Cruel, Money Grubbing Scam? And yet McSlappy dares to refer to himself or have his minions allude to his title: of Self-Appointed Pope of Co$. And with all the sexual scandals facing the Catholic Church the real Pope still sees this as a “Gift from God”. Whereas McSlappy sees the truth portrayed by the internet as an outrageous violation of HIS RIGHTS. Sigh………………………………….

  • Dee Fogger

    Prediction: As part of the new battle plan, we’ll watch the gaggle of COS attorneys file for a writ of mandamus. When that’s rightly denied, we’ll get to watch the attorneys return to Comal County and ask that Judge Waldrip be removed from the case claiming that he is no longer impartial, and is actually prejudiced against them in handling the case, due to their failed writ.

    Also, did I miss the update on Arlene Tony mentioned? If so, can anyone point me to it? I do hope it’s that the attention has brought about a reunion or at least communication with Barbara.

    • Qbird

      There are 2 articles by TO today. This is the second, go to the first “Jeff Hawkin’s [...]” for update.

      • Dee Fogger

        Thank you.

  • Phil McKraken

    I can imagine that when David Miscavige learned yesterday that Judge Waldrip had suggested that it may be necessary to depose him in the courtroom, it was the most heart-stopping enturbulation in his entire life. This it NOT going right.

    • DamOTclese2

      Would have been epic fun to inform David of today’s results, yeah, watch the insane crook turn red and start screaming like a little girl. :) And slapping whoever is in reach. :) I would pay $100 to buy the raffle ticket to see who gets to inform him of his deposition date. :)

  • woodrose

    Progress seems slow, but the vise is closing around David Miscavige. Given the Deceitful Madman’s desperation to avoid being deposed and committing perjury, I expect serious settlement talks to take place at the 11th hour before the deposition.

    I hope that Sugar Ray Awesome and Monique are working on their settlement demands, so they are ready when the time comes, when the Scilons scream ‘Uncle!’

    My suggestions:

    $200 million cash paid to Monique — One million dollars for each day of surveillance, plus another million for sending the dildo to her workplace. Plus

    Permanent restraining order against the Scilon corporations and all its entities and people from harassing or watching Monique. Plus

    An enforceable agreement that the Scilons will allow law enforcement into all their facilities worldwide, annually, to offer freedom and safe passage to all present, including inmates of all RPFs.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      This is a great idea. We should get suggestions for the settlement and pass them on.

      I vote for allowing an independent panel of actual scholarly historians full access to the private papers of L. Ron Hubbard, in order to write a fair, impartial, and accurate biography.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Plus a public disavowal of disconnection.

        • Espiando

          Plus a permanent, non-retractable statement that Hubbard was wrong about the definition of 1.1 vis-a-vis homosexuals, and an official apology to anyone who was ever in the Church who was required to be “handled” on this issue. Starting with Derek.

          • FromPolandWithLove

            Amen

          • MaxSpaceman

            And going back to “Clear no. 1″, John McMasters.

      • FromPolandWithLove

        I vote for psychatric evaluation of all OTs to determine if nervous breakdowns and psychotic breaks number among OTs is significantly higher than in rest of population!

      • kemist

        Give all SO members and ex-members minimum wage for their work + any backpay they are owed at least at minimum wage, with interests + punitive damages to any of them who incurred physical or psychological damage during their service.

      • woodrose

        Plus a letter of confession and apology, detailing all the surveillance and harassment of Monique by the COS and affiliated entities, signed by Captain David Miscavige. Letter to be approved by Monique and prominently posted on the front door of every COS,ABLE,WISE,delphi,Narconon, etc facility worldwide for one year.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I think the dildo and flowers to her co-worker are worth a dime.
      ANOTHER TEN MILLION on top of 199!
      Oh hell…I hate odd numbers.
      Make it 210 Million!

    • Jon Hendry

      Require COS and all related entities to prominently display a dildo in all advertising, signage, and correspondance.

      • woodrose

        Good one! They shouldn’t object, since it’s so ecclesiastical, don’t you know.

    • Candygram

      I’d be surprised if the rathbuns settle… At least before substantial amounts of information are made public in court records… For future reference. I still think their purpose is principle and precedent.

      • woodrose

        If DM is desperate to settle before he is deposed, Monique and Ray can demand a settlement agreement that requires COS to publicly confess their wrongdoings toward Monique. They could perhaps win more concessions and public exposure via a settlement agreement than by continuing the court case.

        Sugar Ray is not playing nicey-nice with the Scilons or their lawyers. When he has them over a barrel, I expect him to demand a substantial, meaningful settlement. Or else DM can be deposed and Monique can tell her story to a jury. Either way, Monique deserves to win big and the Scilons deserve massive public exposure. I’m trusting Ray J to make it happen.

        • Candygram

          Excellent points, and I agree.

    • Science Doc

      They will get a permanent restraining order, all of their legal fees paid in full, and a cash settlement much smaller than the numbers mentioned but a number irresistible to two people of modest means who have suffered much. Something like $1 M, maybe a little more and maybe a little less. In return they will be asked to agree to sign a confidentiality clause and maybe an agreement prohibiting them or the use of their residence in any practice that might infringe on RTC copyrights. Marty presumably might agree to this in that he has moved on beyond Scientology. COB will point to the latter as evidence this was all successful in smashing the squirrels.

      This gets them what they really need – stopping the nonsense, gets Mr. Jeffrey paid in full rather than pennies on the dollar, allows the Rathbuns to live in some modest degree of comfort, and gives up nothing they really actually need to live their lives. Once COB faces that he needs to settle, all of this firepower will be directed to forcing a settlement with no extraneous limits on COB, RTC, etc. and limiting the payout to what the court would likely award or the appeals court would likely sustain. There will be no $200 M payouts. If the defendants suddenly become anxious to settle, the court will be sympathetic to ending this provided there is full compensation for the expense of the anti-SLAPP and other foot dragging.

      A good question is how far are they willing to go before they settle, and this gets interesting. Some of the other deponents may yet go under the bus. For my money COB will not give a responsive deposition before they settle. But they might give up some evidence first. Or not.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        1 million?
        “Shirley” u gest?

        1 Million isn’t even a comfort level for a decade.
        Sorry, but I think those are 1978 numbers yer talking….
        Ok. 200 million may be over the top. But 50 isn’t. Nope, not at all.

        • Science Doc

          Awards in wrongful death cases in the US are typically below $10M. Nobody died or was maimed. We don’t like the defendants but the actual damages are going to be computed in the range of $1M.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Ok, Science Doc…..You and I are taking a bet?

            • Science Doc

              I don’t know how we bet, but if COB decides to settle this tomorrow and turns all of his teams energy toward paying off the defendants the court will have little interest in helping expose Scientology. What might make a difference is the question of “malice” which in Texas law (I just read) is one of the grounds for exemplary (rather that punitive) damages. If COB wants to settle, Mr. Jeffrey might still get discovery to prove malice and hence run add exemplary damages. I don’t see $50M unless discovery shows some things no one is talking about yet.

              On Wollersheim, what was the actual pay-out in the end?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oh hell with Wollersheim…………..how much was Debbie Cook’s payout?

              And THEY sued her?

              Come on………she and her hubby are set for life!!!
              I found her hidey hole in Rosarita the minute she got there. that was a 2.5-6-3k per month gig.
              Right on the beach!!! Lovely sunsets.

              All anyone has to do is the math.
              Her MINIMUM take from “the DEAL” was 5 to 10 million………
              Seriously………….It is obvious!!!

            • Dee Fogger

              If Monique settles, of course the court has no further interest in Scientology in this case. Whether they can offer her enough, monetarily and otherwise, to settle is another matter entirely. And no way is 1 million enough for her to settle.

              Yes, after Campbell v State Farm the multiplier for punitive damages is usually set it at 2
              or 4 times actual damages. Just looked up Texas law and it appears that Texas caps exemplary damages (just another name for punitive) at 2 times economic damages and 750k for non economic damages. The trick is establishing actual damages. Depending upon how the jury feels about the defendants they may be willing to accept the upper stretches of conceivable/proven harm.

              Wollersheim’s judgement was appealed by the church and was directly responsible for a massive re-org to hide funds from him while the judgement was appealed and the church entity he won judgement against claimed poverty. Eventually, he received 8.7 M.

            • pronoia

              8 point something million. They finally had to — but they fought it for years and years and Wollersheim never signed a confidentiality agreement. Which I can’t see Marty doing either. Monique might — but what good would that do Miscavige?

            • Betsy

              Are exemplary damages usually more or less than punitive damages?

          • EnthralledObserver

            That would be if the whole thing went through and the court awarded damages, maybe… but a settlement because Davey is too scared to go to the end (or even the beginning – i.e give a deposition) the it’s a whole ‘nother ball game… WHAT will Davey pay to make it ALL go AWAY?

        • Dee Fogger

          Wollersheim’s original judgement in 1986 was 30 million (25 in punitive damages). I think 50 is on the low side of what a jury may award them for what they’ve endured if they don’t settle. If they do settle, which I doubt without something above the 10 million range and other ‘keep away’ stipulations, a jury will likely agree (probably reduced on appeal) but no way will this settle for a million dollars. No way.

          • Science Doc

            Punitive damages are always the wildcard, but in some states they are limited to a multiplier of the actual damages – the number 3 comes to mind for one of the states I’ve lived in.

            • Betsy

              I recently learned that that was the case in my state.

        • Observer

          And I would be shocked if they sign a confidentiality agreement. I can’t see that happening.

        • Betsy

          If they finally settle and agree to silence, as Lisa McPherson’s family did (I think I am right about this) and L. Ron Jr. and so many others…oh. I can’t even face that idea. I think Monique is a real fighter and Marty found himself a treasure. Monique, please please please stay the course!

        • aegerprimo

          Especially when it only costs 10 million to be an LRH Hall Member of Nobility, the new Co$ campaign to bleed members of more cash.
          http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?33658-CSRT-Church-of-Scientology-Religious-Trust&p=895424&viewfull=1#post895424

      • Robert Eckert

        There is no reason on earth why they would ever agree to any confidentiality agreement. That would open the door for CoS to harass them again with complaints that something they did supposedly “violated” the agreement (ask Gerry Armstrong).

    • aegerprimo

      I really like the last part of your suggestions:

      “…An enforceable agreement that the Scilons will allow law enforcement into all their facilities worldwide, annually, to offer freedom and safe passage to all present, including inmates of all RPFs…”

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    OK, this is a call-out to anyone who was in, is presently in, or is an Independent Scientologist. Especially if you have any personal insights into the mindset or character of David Miscavige.

    At this point, is it really possible that the COB still believes in all those OT powers? Specifically, his own OT powers. I mean, he cannot control the activities in a single court room in Comal County, Texas. Yet he is supposedly able to control the weather on Venus. He is now reliant on a group of attorneys who are not Scientologists, and who despite vast infusions of cash have been stymied at every turn.

    How can this be?

    Could Miscavige achieve a genuine cognition?

    This is a sincere query.

    • Great White Clam

      He needs to solve the riddle of The Pilot, first!

      He aint got no trainin far as I know.

    • George Layton

      He only has one attorney. He has never met or spoken to any of the others.

      • pronoia

        That is true only if you believe that has no jurisdiction over anything other than keeping scripture pure.

    • Betsy

      I sincerely second the query. To me and I’m sure to many, especially never-ins, the thing keeps boiling down to the insanity of anyone actually believing that stuff. And if the leader really doesn’t believe it and is doing it just for money and power, then he is even more despicable.

    • DamOTclese2

      It’s amusing. For some 15 years the insane crooks tried to use in-house “captive” Scientology lawyers and failed at every turn, getting further and further exposure thanks to the Internet every time they tried to silence critics, free speech advocates, and human rights activists.

      So now the insane sociopath is trying real lawyers and what happens? He gives them insane orders and his real lawyers end up equal to the dummy throw-away dipshits like Kobrin and Moxon.

      ‘Course it’s not David’s money.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Wheezer MacSlappy can’t clear his own bloody lungs let alone a planet.
      L Ron is gone,
      Can’t save Dave,
      Depose he must,

      In Waldrip trust.
      Sea Ogres rail,
      An epic fail

  • Ivan Mapother

    Would it be too much to ask that Capt. Miscavige wear one of his fancy faux sailor suits during the deposition? If Judge Waldrip does oversee the deposition, he may as well see the complete sideshow in full costume.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I think he should wear his Comm Ev costume. If they have a fake Navy, they must have a fake Judiciary as well.

      • Jon Hendry

        He’d probably show up in a robe with gold piping, Rehnquist style.

      • Mark

        Thanks for the idea, Doug (vide supra).

    • Elar Aitch

      Missed you IM

    • DamOTclese2

      The little toy sailor suit with the wide bow tie? That’s so cute!

      Well it would be for an 8-year-old.

  • pronoia

    Is anyone else as curious as I am about that report to the Riverside County Sheriff’s department? What could possibly be in there which would contradict something else? Hmmm?

    • Hubbub

      Maybe the following awesomely telling contradictions? (From the Bunker http://tonyortega.org/2013/09/05/marty-rathbun-affidavit-scientology-leader-david-miscavige-lied-to-texas-court/):

      Quote: As for Miscavige and RTC conducting no business in Texas, the new complaint counters that assertion with an official report from a law enforcement source. When John Brousseau, a longtime Scientologist, made his 2010 escape from Scientology’s International Base near Hemet, California (see our two-part story about Brousseau forThe Village Voice), RTC president Warren McShane reported to the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department that Brousseau had stolen equipment when he left. (Brousseau says he was careful to take only his own personal property when he left. He was never charged with a crime.)

      McShane told sheriff’s deputies that “RTC had previously contracted with a private security firm in the State of Texas to monitor Mr. Rathbun’s activities.” (Emphasis ours.)

      McShane also told the Sheriff’s Office that he sent four RTC employees to Texas to find Brousseau and convince him to return to the base. (One of the four was Tommy Davis, at the time one of the church’s top spokesmen. Davis is no longer a Sea Org employee, and is now living in Austin working for a large real estate fund.)

      In RTC’s special appearance filed last week in an attempt to remove RTC from the lawsuit, a declaration from Warren McShane was attached, claiming that RTC did no business in Texas.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Miscavige is making the same mistake cult leaders always make. He believes his own lies. He has insisted for 30 years that he is a “god,” and therefore he believes he must be treated as a “god.” He must be absolutely shocked that the judge isn’t buying it. You have to wonder where the thousands of demonstrators are protesting the deposition of their “leader.” If there are millions of members, shouldn’t there be crowds outside the courthouse?

        • Mooser

          “He believes his own lies.”

          I’m coming around to that point of view, too. The videos he insisted be shown to the Judge? I am getting convinced Miscavige actually believes he has magical powers.

        • Robert Eckert
      • pronoia

        I still cannot understand why the RTC complaint must be “discovered” — why can’t Ray just call up the Sherriff and ask for a copy? Unless there is a non-public part to it that the church holds? Discovery doesn’t make sense in this instance.

    • Candygram

      And why aren’t crime reports publicly accessible? Or at least subpoena-able … Straight from the sheriff’s office?

      • pronoia

        Yes, that is the part that baffles me. And if they are not, what else is in that report, other than the contradict re the JB blow — which Waldrip already has noted.

        • EnthralledObserver

          I think it was something to do with Davey’s travel log… which was apparently changed in deposition. I think…

  • Observer

    ..

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Never realized how much the hands on the little Trip Hazard man look like… clams!

      • kemist

        Do you feel a pain in your jaw ?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Ok, just got here………havent read the comments ….but

    Tik says: ‘We’ll all just callously shrug and say, “He got deposed. People get deposed.””

    Fucking ouch like a MOFO!
    Take that Davey boy!

    • t1kk

      Glad someone found that easter egg. :)

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        And it was Spectacular, Oh Easter Bunny!!!

      • Sherbet

        I know it went right over my dense head, but I get it now. Thanks, Bury.

  • Jon Hendry

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204624204577179321512270672“Bank of America

    “Corp. CEO Brian Moynihan is being dragged back to the past once again.

    The 52-year-old chief executive is expected to be deposed in coming months in as many as three civil lawsuits over the bank’s handling of its takeover of securities firm Merrill Lynch & Co. on Jan. 1, 2009.”

    There’s no shortage of civil cases where CEOs have been deposed. And Google will turn up plenty of Catholic archbishops being deposed. (Protestant “religious heads” are a dime a dozen – more than a few minor denominations probably consist of one storefront church – so I’m sure plenty have been deposed.)

    • kemist

      But I bet no case exists where Captain/Pope/CEO/Chocolate Archdukes/Headmasters of corporachurches with eleventy quadrillion members have been deposed, eh ? Eh ?

      So there.

    • BigMcLargeHuge

      Bill Clinton was deposed in a civil case when he was President.

      EDIT: Just noticed this was mentioned elsewhere up thread.

      • Snippy_X

        and “leader of the free world,” as the saying goes.

        • pronoia

          But he was not ecclesiastical. Though it is worth noting he did try to avoid the deposition by arguing executive privilege — and we all know how that turned out.

  • Walter Mitty

    The famous painting of the battle “Writ of Mandamus”, (2014), Soho Art Gallery

    • Great White Clam

      It’s strange. I noticed how all the pictures of the dwarf look kind of OK compared to how he really looks in person. It’s almost like there’s a reverse Dorian Grey thing going on here.

  • Mark

    With thanks to Douglas D. Douglas for the (truly horrifying) idea (refresh):

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Legs=WAY too long.

      • Mark

        Perspective effect?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Funhouse mirrors?

          • Mark

            HAS to be!

      • D.Y.G.

        Boobs = unnaturally perky

        • Mark

          Underwire bra + helium.

    • ze moo

      I used to find thigh high stockings sexy. Not any more.

      • Mark

        I sometimes wish Doug wouldn’t keep on putting these ideas into my mind…

    • D.Y.G.

      That damned bow again!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        He is locked on to a really cool meme!!!

      • Mark

        It’s like semiotic heroin – once seen adorning yet another Idle Morgue opening, hard to kick. Nearly put in the yellow ones from the Kaohsiung ‘event’, but think the Clearwater red ones go with the black better…

        • Sherbet

          Definitely, Mark. Stick with the red. It’s a tradition now.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            thumbs up. the red is a signature…

          • Mark

            There were green ones at Padua, though.

            • Sherbet

              Clearwater = Flag = SooperPowerz = Mecca. Red looks more important.

            • Mark

              Hence all those ghastly red ties the men were wearing for the IAS bash, too.

            • D.Y.G.

              Save that for St. Patty’s Day. He can ride a stripper pole in his green bows.

            • Mark

              I’ll have to remember that (note to self: find images of short unprepossessing Irish striptease dancers… not easy…)

            • Sherbet

              Riverdance meets Dita Von Teese, in green.

            • Mark

              Or Tempest Storm (redhead).

            • Sherbet

              How old ARE you, Mark?

            • Mark

              Positively antique! No, I only found our about Tempest after that Betty Page film came out a couple of years ago – I think she was in the DVD extras.

            • Sherbet

              For a gay man, you have eclectic interests. You are a renaissance man in your own way.

            • Mark

              Thanks, Sherb (blushes). But haven’t strippers like Gypsy Rose Lee & Betty Page always been gay icons? Probably a similar thing to the ‘friends of Dorothy’ business (except I can take or leave Judy Garland).

            • Sherbet

              Very true. I wonder why that is. But I think I’m in the wrong blog if I want to figure that out.

            • Mark

              Not being exactly on topic, are we? ;-)

            • Sherbet

              Not even close!

            • Sherbet

              As a woman of Italian heritage, I’m ashamed there’s any scientology presence in Italy.

            • Mark

              Well, there’s the Idle Morgue, but mysteriously most of Saint Hill’s inmates seem to be Italians these days.

            • Sherbet

              I often wonder what draws Italians — most of whom have a tradition of Catholic mysticism and Italian art — to scientology with its barren and soulless New Agey buildings and 1950s Space Cadet motifs.

            • Mark

              I think it’s Italian whales tax-dodging, myself.

            • Sherbet

              And they don’t have to show up every Sunday morning, either. Good theory, Mark.

            • Espiando

              This is the country that is home to Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, and Pagani. It is also the country that slaps a tax on any car with over a two-liter engine at a level that makes a Scilon reg session look like amateur hour. If that contradiction doesn’t fuck you up permanently, nothing will.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              fucking exactly.
              You are gods…………..let us smite you!!!!

            • Sherbet

              So you’re saying, to an Italian scientologist, the “church” is like the government, only with fewer changes in administration?

            • Espiando

              More like the government, only with less bunga-bunga parties and slightly more racism.

            • Mark

              But probably with more wigs, clanking jewellery and ostentatious fur coats worn even at the height of summer…

            • Espiando

              And that’s only the Italian men.

            • Mooser

              A two-liter, double overhead cam four-valve engine with fuel injection,(all pretty much standard, these days) can easily power a four-door mid-size car.

            • Espiando

              Yeah, but who the fuck wants that? I am at the age where I need an overpowered penis substitute that has a good chance of killing me, not a fucking Chevy Malibu or Ford Fusion. Fuck you and your four-door midsize.

            • Sandy

              Now, that made me laugh …

          • D.Y.G.

            Agreed!

          • Mooser

            Nobody wants to be anti-semiotic.

            • Sherbet

              Another groaner from The Moo. (Clever, though.)

            • Mooser

              Are you saying I’m anti-semantic? I’ve been accused of that before.

            • Sherbet

              And a second point goes to Mooser. One more point, and you win.

            • Mooser

              Let’s see, hows about a facial spasm which is triggered by phoney naval uniforms? You know, an anti-seamen tic?

            • Sherbet

              Mooser, for the win. (If I don’t let you win, you’ll keep going and going.)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Do we have a bumper sticker for that?

            • Mark

              Yes:

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Please make and sell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • Mark

              We’d better ask Umberto first.

            • Axton

              Didn’t one of the bunkerites, or perhaps a troll, talk frequently about their long lost girlfriend who had a PhD in semiotics?

            • Mark

              Don’t remember that – sounds like a very recondite sort of qualification you’d do somewhere in Scandinavia.

            • Axton

              It was a while ago, I think it might have be Flunk

            • Axton

              Found this post where the poster was a horse:

              Thunder Horse

              “For most of my existence on this planet I’ve been a horse but I was a Scientologist last lifetime. When I read this article about Alexander Jentzsch, I started breathing really hard … my ears went up and my nostrils flared …I’m a horse. My brain is not imprinted for grammar, but I do the best I can. Last lifetime, as a Scientologist , I dated a non- Scientologist who was a semiotician. She would ask me if I’d ever noticed how “things” have a certain “thingness”; that there is the “thing”, and then there’s the “thingness” of that “thing” …What do I think of “things” and their “thingness”?? Can you imagine asking a Scientologist such a question?

              I was like, “HELL YES!! Baby , we’ve got A LOT to talk about!”

    • Elar Aitch

      Deee-lish

  • InterestedinCrazy

    Re: Miscarnage Travel Arrangements

    Who would’ve been in charge of his scheduling? If Warren McShane changed his story and they seem unwilling to pass over any actual travel documents, can these be accessed any other way? I suppose he never flies commercial, but maybe his private jet flight logs? Or if he hitched a ride with JT?

    Is that something that can be requested specifically in discovery?

    http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/david-miscavige-lifestyles-of-the-rich-and-famous/

    • pronoia

      IANAL, but since it appears that Warren McShane impeached himself in his repo (noted by Waldrip that he contradicted himself on this point) then it would stand to reason that one cannot take McShane’s word on this topic so it would seem reasonable to ask to see his travel records. And private jets must keep logs as well — though they might be harder to track down.

      • Missionary Kid

        If nothing else, the pilot’s logbooks would have information on flights. They wouldn’t usually have notes on who flew with them, but they’d probably know.

      • InterestedinCrazy

        Unless he used private landing strips…but even then, I’d imagine the Aviation Authority (I don’t know what it’s called in Texas) would need to be informed of any flights.

        It really is silly that they’re so obviously going to get caught but DM and his lawyers as well as the other lawyers involved won’t just pass over the documents requested.

    • Missionary Kid
  • Thetapotata

    Sounds like par for the course with the “writ of mandamus” idea. The Church of Unlimited funds for legal shenanigans. Whatever it takes to keep the leader out of hot water. Let’s hope that in Texas they won’t be easily manipulated by such tricks.

  • DamOTclese2

    “He got deposed. People get deposed.”

    That right there is an excellent petard hoist, right the fuck there.

    Hey David, you ordered and orchestrated racketeering harassment, retribution and retaliation against an innocent woman whose only “crime” was she got married to someone who knows you’re a violently insane criminal, a crook, a fraud, a con man, a pile of shit that exists only to rook and swindle money from the dimwitted and gullible among us who fall for your frauds.

    Now comes the time to explain under oath to the court your core criminal behavior. Why don’t you man the fuck up you shitting little dwarf and take your deposition for everyone to see once again your criminal IQ.

    • Mooser

      Under the best of circumstances, a deposition like this would call for a lot of patience, clear thinking, and self-restraint from the deposed. Those are qualities Miscavige is notably lacking in, by all accounts.

      • Ardent

        Which is exactly why I think it would be a riot listening to him try to gibber his way out of his lies and general insanity.

        • Mooser

          But in general I lean towards the ‘he’s-gonna-make-himself-scarce’ side. That is, he won’t show up.

      • DamOTclese2

        He’s going to argue the meaning of every word put to him, yep. The first round of deppo in the lawyer’s office will be enough to show video to the Judge that the man is a sociopath incapable of truth. The second depp will have to be held in front of the Judge. Yep.

    • Elar Aitch

      His legal hacks are surely not going to get far with an argument that as an ecclesiastical whatsit he’s too busy/important/eccleasiatical to be deposed – wouldn’t think that sort of above-the-law snobbery would go far with jurists.

      • DamOTclese2

        Really. Who does that insane loon think he is, Hillary Clinton? Elvis Presley? The crook is just a small-time crook, a face and a name only a minute percentage of the populace would recognize and yet the insane crook is ordering his lawyers to try to pretend he’s famous and some how important. Amusing!

        • Are_sics

          And yet…. Jeffery is creating a “media circus” because he’s not famous enough for the media to pay attention otherwise, right? I’m nauseated.

          But…. Scott Pilutuk is freaking hilarious! “He got deposed. People get deposed.”
          That’s just genius at its most succinct.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Jan. 23: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #15,720 – down 137 from yesterday.
    Scientology: US rank #37,221 – up 835 from yesterday.

    Difference: 21,501 – 972 less than yesterday.

  • Shannon#1

    You gotta love the part about the cult’s reason for not wanting Miscavige to be diposed: ” Miscavige is only an ecclesiastical leader with nothing to do with the church’s operations in Texas.”
    Ecclesiastical, huh? Are we talking about the same Miscavige who didn’t even finish his Class 4 internship at St Hill after he smacked his PC? That same Miscavige? You bet it is! Jim Baker was more of a religious leader than this con.

    • Sherbet

      And at least we knew where Tammy Faye was.

      • Mooser

        By the trail of mascara and eyelashes.

        • Sherbet

          Shelly didn’t think of that.

        • Missionary Kid

          The makeup was tattoo’d on, FYI.

      • Shannon#1

        That is just too funny. And it’s true too!

    • Mooser

      Gosh, wouldn’t this be the time to consult the works of L Ron Hubbard, and let him tell us what the prerequisites for the top Captain-Pope spot are? Certainly he laid down some kind of standard for the position, wouldn’t you think?

    • Zana

      Is this the same Miscavige who is an international Chairman of the Board and whose job it is to “squash squirrels!” ? The same guy who has to keep profits high? Is it THAT Chairman of the Board? Hmmmm… how does that work? Is the Chairman of the Board of Google also an Ecclesiastical leader? Or maybe even the CoB of General Electric? Hmmm…. Pope or Businessman? I’m confused. I think Judge Waldrip really does need to bring him into the courtroom and have DM answer some questions so that we can fully understand this conundrum.

  • Great White Clam

    Miss Cabbage appears to be such a remarkably poor manager, I wonder if another very real reason he fears appearance is that he’s afraid of things falling apart back at the clampound if he even momentarily turns away from the wheel?

    After all, since he has to do everything himself and micromanage every jot and tittle, I am sure his ongoing and major concern must be the utter incompetence, untrustworthyness and continual treachery of the staff surrounding him on all sides. I’m nearly certain that he can’t blink, close his eyes or even take a nap, much, much less, get a good night’s sleep, he is surrounded by such incompetence! Everyone physically close to him certainly already has plans made to SEIZE POWER from him at the earliest possible instant! That poor, poor, little man! Overworked and hardly paid at all, when you consider the sheer monumentality of the monumental size of the distinctly undwarflike and heroic yet thankless task he has undertaken for the benefit of not only all of mankind, but of the entire planet, this sector of the universe and so on and so forth!

    Maybe we should all observe a moment of silence in reverence for the great and selfless devotion that little guy has brought to bear?

    Nah!

    • Mooser

      Rather than the competence, it would be only good sense for Miscavige to worry more, much more, about the loyalty of those in the upper echelons of Scientology, when his back is turned. Oh yeah, isn’t that, the ability to excite the loyalty of those you command or work with, another quality Miscavige by all acounts is notably lacking in?
      I’m sure he’s sure all they do up there in the echelons when he turns his narrow back is sharpen their knives.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Ok, so I am going to say something really…REALLY unpopular..but it is because I am trying to make a point……Are the socks sleeping?

    Oh yes, I think they are.

    Who is NOT Here?

    Just trying to make a point.

    THEY are thee!

    Just sayin……..right before I go to bed myself.

    • Sherbet

      It’s not nice to talk about sock puppets unless you’re Shari Lewis.

      But.

      You’re saying anyone who isn’t here…ah, never mind. Go to bed.

      • Ardent

        I hope you don’t think that by reading instead of posting…

        EDIT: Sorry, didn’t mean you, Sherbet.

        • Sherbet

          I know, Ardent.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        OK, but I am trying to point something out.
        i will probably fail…………..oh well

        • Sherbet

          You’ll probably make sense to someone sharper than I am.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Well Sherb, I looked down thread……………so all I can say is…….nevermind me.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        BTW, I am now craving lamb chops!

        • Sherbet

          Noooo, not Lamb Chop!

          • Great White Clam

            Wait. Lamb Chop was a sock?

            Noooooooooooooooo!

    • Jo

      I was watching a movie, The Book Thief. It was really good.

      • jeff

        I saw that in the theater…I thought, oh no….another holocaust movie – but, I really liked it!

      • Ardent

        Off topic, but that looked really interesting. So you recommend?

        • Jo

          Yes, I loved it.

          • Ardent

            Thanks. I’ll certainly try it out. In the middle of something else at the moment, though.

    • TonyOrtega

      Bury, darling, I need you to give up this sock obsession. So how about you join me in the Bunker, and we’ll down some hooch, monitor the circuits, play some parcheesi, and enjoy the warm hum of the red emergency lights, all in nothing but our socks. Will that help matters?

      • Sherbet

        Oh, so when a Bunkerite misbehaves, she gets a REWARD from the Proprietor? Hmmph! she says, indignantly.

        • Ardent

          I like “the warm hum of the red emergency lights”. : )

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Did someone say “warm hum of red emergency lights?

            http://i.imgur.com/evNjy6A.jpg

            • marti

              “Sock it to me, Copper.” Judy Carne.

            • aquaclara

              Hey! I spy a tent. I spy…..SPs!

        • TonyOrtega

          Bury only misbehaves, so one must abide. Indignation, meanwhile, has its own piquant qualities.

          • Sherbet

            //adding to the indignation, the stomping of a tiny foot with a well-turned ankle//

            • TonyOrtega

              OK, who squealed about the Proprietor’s appreciation for ankles? Damn security breaches.

            • Sherbet

              The Shar Pei is a fink.

              (You do realize you left yourself wide open for a Mooser pun about “security breeches,” don’t you?)

            • Qbird

              The jig is up!

            • Sherbet

              Hahaha, bird!

            • Robert Eckert

              One of your cats must really be a catfish.

          • Great White Clam

            It’s the drama that gets through to me.
            Such a waste of Time and Energy and Space and… wait.

            • Ardent

              Ha ha…Got it, Clam. Nice one.

          • Great White Clam

            It’s the drama that gets through to me.
            Such a waste of Time and Energy and Space and… wait.

          • marti

            The Dude abides.

        • marti

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHhLR481K5c

          Ain’t Misbehavin

          By my dear Ella and Count.

          • Sherbet

            Awesome, Marti.

            • marti

              Thank you Sherbet.

      • FromPolandWithLove

        Mr Ortega I think I also have very serious case of sock obsession… Any ideas how we can handle it ;)?

        • Sherbet

          Can you play Parcheesi, FromPoland? Well, I can.

          • FromPolandWithLove

            I smell cat-fight in the air… cut to FromPoland sharpening claws ;D

            • Sherbet

              I’m 3 hours away from NYC. Top that, you ferocious feline.

            • Great White Clam

              Only three hours away from NYC?
              Not far enough, IMHO
              LOL

            • Sherbet

              Aw, Clam, I love NYC. I don’t go there much, but it’s a fun place. Except during a hot August.

            • Great White Clam

              I understand. But you can cure that by living there for a while!
              (It is a fun place.)

            • Great White Clam

              I understand. But you can cure that by living there for a while!
              (It is a fun place.)

      • Dee Fogger

        “In the valley of lost socks mating was difficult” unless you’ve got you’re own bunker.

      • marti

        “Bury, darling”

        Tony,
        You hard nosed reporter. That is just totally sweet.

        (definition of hard nose is someone or something tough, focused, unbending or stubborn reporter)

      • DamOTclese2

        Oh sweet Xenu, are you suggesting… dare I say it… Peppermint Schnapps?! I’d SCOHB for some Peppermint Schnapps!

    • NOLAGirl

      Things like this always make me worry that you’re talking about me. :) My paranoia kicks in. LOL I’ve always thought I was more of a thigh high stocking than a sock. :D

      • Ardent

        Me, too! (well, not the stocking bit) But shall we drop it?

        • NOLAGirl

          I think that’s what Tony wants so yeah maybe we should. :)

    • SandiCorrena

      Ok wait I just got home from work…. ;)

    • Elar Aitch

      Are the socks sleeping – sounds like a lovely children’s book title

    • Captain Howdy

      I’m not here because as far as I’m concerned this thing will end up being a dud and i can’t be bothered discussing it.

      Miscavige will not give a deposition, he will simply stop participating, discharge the lawyers, default and let the Judge determine a judgement that will be between $1million to10 million and that will be the whimper that ends the big Texas Showdown.

      • Sherbet

        I’ll be the first to say, You were right, Howdy. In fact, you’re likely to be right. But, doggone, I hope you’re wrong.

      • Missionary Kid

        Did you vote on it? I haven’t checked.

      • Sandy

        That would be okay with me. As long as Mosey had the deal to be left in peace. Unless they agree to that, it won’t happen, nor should it. Otherwise, $ for your kid’s college fund – fine …

    • Axton

      Here are my socks: (image)

  • outraged

    Is there a way to collapse all the main comments so I can actually read thru them all somehow?

    • Observer

      When you mouse over a comment a minus sign and flag appear over in the right margin. Click the minus sign of the first comment in a thread you’re not interested it and it will collapse, at least until you refresh.

      • outraged

        I do that, i was just wondering if you could collapse ALL the comments at once.

        Kind of like The Little Midget wanting to eat all of the universe at once.

        • Observer

          Ah. No, I don’t think there’s any way to do that.

          • outraged

            Thank you! Just thought I’d ask.

  • media_lush
    • Mooser

      When I click on the newest article, it seems as though some of it is missing from the screen.

      • media_lush

        fixed (hopefully)…. corrupt code hidden in one of the posts

  • Phil de Fontenay

    It’s just getting worse and worse for this criminal church. The longer they stay in this battle, the more negative media coverage they will get and the more chance their herd will see the true nature of their insane leader David Miscavige. Win or lose in court, they are still screwed!

    Head for the hills Miscavige because you can’t hide from the truth anymore. You just haven’t realized, you have ALREADY lost!

    • Mooser

      And just in case the COS and its doings have slipped below anybody’s radar, the Superbowl TV ads (which should be like the proverbial red flag to all kinds of people, both religious and secular) will serve notice they’re still out there.

  • Phil de Fontenay
    • Sherbet

      “…the peculiar pseudo religion that courts celebrities and controversies in equal measures.”

      Nicely put!

    • Mark

      I see some fellow-Bunkerites have been busy in the comments there – good!

    • MissWog

      I don’t see this on ESMB..So I’m gonna cross post, hope that’s cool ;)

  • TXCowgirl

    Simple questions, yet I don’t know the answers. Can I get a little help from those Bunkerites more astute than I?

    1) At what point should we expect Davy Miss-Cray-Cray will start offering Monique a monetary settlement?
    (The day before he’s deposed?)
    2) If Monique declines all offers and wins the case, what has she actually won?
    (Peace and quiet?)

    • Robert Eckert

      At the first hearing, Monique insisted that monetary damages are secondary, as far as she is concerned, to the injunctive relief requested (a permanent ban on further harassment). She is not going to accept piles of money without the guarantee of, as you say, peace and quiet, for the family (remember there is a child now also; don’t get between mama bear and her cub!)

      • TXCowgirl

        Thx for the 411. Sometimes I get caught up in the excitement and forget to focus on the goal.

      • Sherbet

        Monique’s lawyers’ fees must be pretty high by now, and they’re not even close to wrapping this thing up.

        • Missionary Kid

          The case was probably taken on contingency, so the attorneys take a percentage of the resultant damages. If they lose, the get nothing. The percentage for the attorneys allowed depends on the state.

          Ray Jeffries has developed an expertise in dealing with the cult. The two P.I.s who were promised lifetime employment, then fired after many years were his clients. I have a feeling they’re satisfied with their settlement.

          • Sherbet

            I want Ray and his associates to get a good chunk o’ change for their efforts.

            • Missionary Kid

              I believe they’ll be well paid, but when they get paid is the question. If Mosey goes to trial, a repeat of Wollersheim may ensue, where it took years for the payment to be made.

          • TXCowgirl

            Has Ray won (by verdict or positive monetary settlement for his clients) all of his cases against the Co$?

            • Elar Aitch

              He has got settlements twice – Debbie Cook and the PIs.

            • Missionary Kid

              I thought he was involved with Debbie Cook’s settlement.

          • Ardent

            MK, again I agree. My bet is this is contingency. It must be costing a bundle, but I’ll bet the Rathbun’s team believe they have a real winner here, and are willing to risk it.

        • Sandy

          I agree, Sherbet. I am kinda concerned that Ray & his staff pour so many hours into this case with no current returns. Sure hope my concerns are unfounded.

      • noseinabk

        I think that if not for Mama bear, none of this would be happening. Screw with me and I will brush you off. Screw with my kids? No holds barred.

    • Room 101

      If and when all appeals to keep DM from being deposed are rejected and it is a definite must in the case, I believe the Church would concede to just about anything monetary/injunction-wise.

      If she takes it all the way through trial and wins, a jury in this matter would most likely offer monetary damages in the multi-million dollar range and grant a permanent injunction and restraining order against the Church for ever meddling with the Rathbuns again.

      • TXCowgirl

        Good info, Room. It hadn’t dawned on me that this might be a jury trial. I’ll have to marinate over what I think about jury vs judge trial in Texas when religion is a player.

        • Room 101

          If you go back to the original lawsuit filed, it states something like “Demanding trial by jury” on the front of the lawsuit. So it seems that Ray Jeffrey knows what the victory could mean money-wise with a trial as opposed to just taking a settlement.

          • TXCowgirl

            Got it!

        • Room 101

          If you go back to the original lawsuit filed, it states something like “Demanding trial by jury” on the front of the lawsuit. So it seems that Ray Jeffrey knows what the victory could mean money-wise with a trial as opposed to just taking a settlement.

        • Robert Eckert

          They get the worst of both worlds. The monetary damages get set by a jury. The injunction is drawn up by the judge.

      • PraiseBeToXenu

        The judge could decide to award additional punitive damages to Monique. In order to make an example out of DM and Co$, and to discourage such future behavior.

        • Ardent

          I was wondering about punitive damages. They can be VERY high, indeed, according to what I’ve heard.

          • PraiseBeToXenu

            Yes, they can be significantly higher than the original requested compensatory damages. Also, they are awarded, in most states, solely at the discretion of the judge. Usually to punish defendants for gross negligence or misconduct, and to deter such acts in the future. In short, they’re designed to hurt!

      • TXCowgirl

        But, do you think right before Davy’s depo will be when the offer(s) will first be made, or sometime way beforehand….like yesterday?

        • Room 101

          It will be as a final straw before the depo if it happens in my opinion.

        • Anonymous

          I would definitely expect an offer right before DM’s deposition.

    • Anonymous

      1) Davey will throw any amount of money at the Rathbun’s to make them go away. The Rathbun’s know this, yet litigation continues.
      2) Lots of money to be sure, but also a possible end to the reign of COB. A loss here could open him up to personal lawsuits all over the country. Davey knows this, its why he’s fighting so hard.

  • DamOTclese2

    “Writ of Butthurt” — Love it. (Refresh for image.)

    • DamOTclese2

      Yeah, I know he’s not on trial for racketeering. He should be. RICO Predicate Acts include harassment against victims in retribution and retaliation for said victims seeking legal redress or against victims who reported crimes for which the accused commits obvious harassment, and David’s crimes against Monique certainly qualify as RICOable actions.

      • Snippy_X

        Amen, but apparently it’s tricky to convict. You have to prove malice and this intention and that fuzzy thing, ad naseam.

        • Great White Clam

          Such arcane concepts as “CICS” and “YS YS YS YS” and “YSCOHB” etc. might help with the intention thing.

          • Snippy_X

            They would argue those are just CoB’s terms of endearment, because he talks to everyone that way.

            • Great White Clam

              I bet he dreams in that language, too. ;)

            • Snippy_X

              Lil’ Davy’s dreams, what a horrible thing to try and visualize.

            • Great White Clam

              I imagine it to be a dull gray and nearly featureless dream world.

              A nightmare world of walls within walls within walls topped with razor wire and surveillance cameras behind blast-proof enclosures. A vast array of bleak and empty course-rooms fitted with featureless doors, triple-locked, and surrounded by guarded windows that only open a crack, if at all. Counter-intentioned and incompetent underlings who are all actively in league against him lurk and plot behind every shadow-bearing object. Lawyers, judges, police and outraged fathers mothers brothers and sisters and friends of those he has wronged surge up in an incessant tide against him and his evil minions. What water there is in this bleak world is tideless and brackish, covered with algae and slime, infested with shark, barracuda and (oh the horror!) other living things.

              I imagine it to be a world where there can be only one, and that one is a miscreant dwarf leering back at him from every mirror and surface capable of reflection.

            • Ardent

              I loved that imagery, GWC. lovely, lovely work.

          • TXCowgirl

            You can’t spell YSCOHB without COB.

          • YSYSYSYSYS

            You called? Oh, only 4 YS’s… nevermind. ;-)

            • Great White Clam

              We left one out for you to fill in.

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              Very kind. I can’t stand the sound of Mr McGibberish’s voice so when I say my name out loud I say it in my “Oprahs favourite things” voice. That way it’s much less toddler foot-stomping tantrumy.

        • Bella Legosi

          I don’t think it would be so tricky if a jury was to decide the outcome. There are so many horror stories, people willing to testify/deposed, and many who do not know each other but have been thru the same abuse and fraud…….it may work. But who wants to be the DA who tries the leader of a 501 (C) church and it has the slight chance of succeeding. Double jeopardy is a bitch and Double Jeopardy is too good for Little Boots IMO

        • DamOTclese2

          For acts of retaliation and retribution committed and motivated for victims filing criminal or civil cases against the accused, RICO can be applied, and I think we can see serious malice being committed against Monique.

          I mean when David Miscavige paid for and shipped a dildo, I think any Jury would be convinced that his crimes were retaliation for her husband leaving the crime syndicate. It does not always need to be a severed horse head. :)

    • Sandy

      I am sorry, but I suspect many of us have no idea who this gentleman is …

      • Observer

        It’s Wallace Jefferson.

      • DamOTclese2

        Wallace Jefferson, Scientology’s new Buttfuck Buddy, previously of the Texas Supreme Court.

        • Elar Aitch

          I hope they’re taking Davey for a ride

          Oops – meant to reply to above post

    • marti

      Wallace Jefferson. Yes, he’s movin on up. He finally got a piece of the scientology pie.

      • DamOTclese2

        And was handed more $ money $ in a single day in a large manilla envelope left on the seat of his car than he was paid working on the Texas Supreme Court in the past 10 years combined?

        • marti

          Actually, the large manila envelope contained only Ricardo Cedillo’s old, wrinkled suit.

  • Charlotte

    There’s so much going on that I’m wanting to savour, but can’t get the time to sneak into the Bunker due to school holidays and active children (and howler monkeys).
    Baby, hope the job’s going well and you’re still being appreciated!

    • Sherbet

      As long as you read Tony’s posts, you can skip the comments (until school vacation and howler monkeys are occupying less of your time).

      • Charlotte

        Yep, that’s mostly what I do now. Have a bit of a back catalogue to catch up on still (of Tony’s posts).

    • noseinabk

      Ditto here. Added to the days off, I have the flu, a post surgical hubby, and a foot of snow. I have kept up reading TO though. Well worth it to hit Best in the comments.

      • Ardent

        Yikes! That’s a lot on your plate. Get well soon, and hope hubby does too. All the best. Cheers, noseinabk.

        • noseinabk

          Thanks! Feeling better today. I spent yesterday dozing and hitting refresh. The comments have been fantastic and I am so glad to see some of our best posters returning.

    • Seannie5

      Hi Charlotte. I haven’t had as much time to spend on here either. I have to do a quick scan of the comments which I enjoy doing because I like reading about ex-members experiences. It helps to put it all into context when the theory sounds too nutty and hard to believe (which is allll the time).

      • Charlotte

        Hi Seannie. Yes, the insider scoops are awful and amazing, and utterly compelling.

  • Science Doc

    All of this discussion implicitly involves at some point assuming rational behavior on some or all of the parties. Rationally COB should have never sent Squirrel Busters and might have taken Marty to federal court in CA or FL on copyright infringement. Simple and tedious cause of action that would have been expensive to defend and with no elements of producing videos or text messages. Shut Marty up and keep risk to a minimum. Obviously he didn’t do that. If he was receptive to competent advice from counsel none of the bad acts would have happened, and COB could have still made Marty miserable.

    So now we are well down this other road. Rationally he should settle and pay bucks to minimize risk. Looks like Debbie Cook was paid big bucks to shut her up and move her beyond the reach of most civil litigation in the US. Marty is a different story. This is pretty personal. I have say that none of us knows what will happen, but what should happen at this point is that COB should have his dream team end this and minimize risk. As a wild guess he is spending over 25 K per day on days with appearances and 5 to 10 K per day five days a week on most other days. Taking this to and through trial will run a couple million or more before a penny’s worth of judgement. The collateral damage of a major expose on scientology is potentially vast.

    But we can not assume rational behavior. This is not really game theory here. Best case for COB is he’s spending one hour per week thinking about this and laughing his ass off. Worse case is he’s not sleeping and on the phone to Moxon non stop. In the latter cases this could spin out of control and produce some of the outcomes we want to see.

    • pronoia

      My bet is that he was afraid to sue Marty. For some of the same reasons (in addition to others we may not know about — yet) he paid so dearly to shut Debbie Cook up (and is still probably gnashing his teeth that his attempt to sue her went so badly). So he sent Squirrel Busters, thinking that would do the trick – haha. And I can’t imagine that he is thinking about much else, except when he is obsessing about the Garcias and Laura DeCreszenzo etc etc etc etc. And oh yes, the Ireland flap.

      • Zana

        He must also be considering the dismal failure of GAG 2 and the new emeters. And the 2,500 people at the opening of the Super Power Building. Those things must be concerning him a lot. Teee heee….

        • Missionary Kid

          May I add, TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK?

      • Sandy

        Squirrel Busters were way before Ms Cook. Just FYI

        • pronoia

          I know — that was awkwardly written. I think he sent the squirrel busters because he was afraid to sue Marty (over so-called copyright violations or “defamation” etc.) because a lawsuit would give Marty a platform in a courtroom to speak about what he knows (esp the abuse) and thought that the constant harassment would shut him up. Also why he sent the posse of Mike Rinder’s relatives to accost him in the acupuncture clinic parking lot and also why he never sued Mike Rinder. Which was why he ended up paying Debbie Cook off — to shut her up — because when he did sue her the first thing she did in the courtroom is talk about the abuse at the Int Base. So Miscavige is in a bit if a pickle — all of his own making of course — and I think it has got to be pre-occupying him most of the time!

    • richelieu jr

      Agreed- The real model here is an acrimonious divorce, with a lot at stake monetarily, but even more so as each party feels wounded emotionally…

      Yes, it would be better for everyone if they just agreed to disagree and went their separate ways, but they have too many fingers inserted in each other to let go.

      Miscavige is clearly stalking Marty and feels right to do so, whereas Marty just wants to get on with his life (Stealing Davey’s bizness ripping off clams, and publishing embarrassing stuff about him daily).
      none can afford a fair trial because they’ve both got bags full of dirt on the other one.
      Mutually Assured Destruction is the model, though no one is calm enough to care.

      Presuming sane action here would be true folly.

      • Dee Fogger

        Equating what’s going on here to an acrimonious divorce is pretty spot on. I’m reminded of the saying that in criminal practice you see bad people at their best behavior and in family practice you see good people at their worst behavior. I would add that if your practice involves the COS you’re going to be dealing with bad people at their worst behavior.

        • richelieu jr

          Exactly, Dee, exactly….

    • DamOTclese2

      might have taken Marty to federal court in CA or FL on copyright infringement

      David would have problems doing that. A Scientology customer by the name “Mr. Safe” cataloged a great many copyright crimes that David has committed, including back-dating documents and removing copyright named and having his own written in.

      I’m not saying that David would be found guilty of copyright frauds if he were to open up that can, but he would be shown to have committed lots and lots of copyright fraud if he opens himself up to discovery by suing someone who has a layer who knows what he’s doing.

    • DamOTclese2

      might have taken Marty to federal court in CA or FL on copyright infringement

      David would have problems doing that. A Scientology customer by the name “Mr. Safe” cataloged a great many copyright crimes that David has committed, including back-dating documents and removing copyright named and having his own written in.

      I’m not saying that David would be found guilty of copyright frauds if he were to open up that can, but he would be shown to have committed lots and lots of copyright fraud if he opens himself up to discovery by suing someone who has a layer who knows what he’s doing.

    • Anonymous

      The fact that this is so personal to Marty is the real wild card here. Many people would be happy to just take a settlement and see the harassment stop, but I’m not sure about Marty. By his own admission, he has alot of bad karma to work off and I think he may be out to destroy the CofS entirely, if possible. I have to say he’s doing a great job.

  • Bella Legosi

    “A conspicuous addition to Scientology’s legal team was the arrival of Wallace Jefferson, who only recently stepped down from his position as the chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court.” Am I reading too much into this, but doesn’t this seem like quasi intimidation? Especially if they do enter a state court writ of mandamus. Wallace may be in there taking notes at how Waldrip isn’t doing his job. What utter and complete, grade A douchbags!!!! I don’t know how well Waldrip will see Co$ if he remains on the case. We may just get a Demented Enturbulated Cult Leader being deposed in court! HAHAHAH

    • Ardent

      I would, as posted earlier, LOVE to watch that evil little bastard squirm in front of the judge, being made to answer tough questions. Oh, for a live stream!

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        Mr. Miscavige, have you had a high school education?
        Miscavige: “I don’t understand the question”

        • Bella Legosi

          lol I was just typing about that!

          tee hee great minds think a like

          • 3feetback-of-COS

            I think Waldrip would then strangle him!

      • Bella Legosi

        Have you read the deposition he had to do for the Lisa McPherson case?? It’s hilarious. I totally see why they settle fast whenever this puke has to answer to “wog” court orders!

        • Ardent

          No! Any link? That would be fascinating.

          • Douglas D. Douglas
            • georget1952

              I was looking for this link to put in here, you beat me to it. Thanks so much for finding DM Dud’s depo and putting it up here for people to read (or at least try to, I can’t get too far into it as it makes my head hurt).
              When DM shows up for this deposition in Monique Rathbuns case, I have a feeling it will be 100 times worse than the depo DM does in the transcript in the link you provide here. It will be a bunch of answers like, “I do not understand the question” along with the objections from DM’s attorneys for every question from Mosey’s attorney. .

            • AKS

              Well, there goes the evening…

            • AKS

              A. I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY “SOME TIME” OR “DEPOSITION PROCEDURE.”

              Haha, he’s just gonna sit there and word-clear the whole thing, or what?

          • MaxSpaceman

            you won’t believe it. he is the worst piece of sh1t on record. the way he answers is complete obfuscation.

      • MaxSpaceman

        How about answering simple questions. Here’s what everyone can look forward to:

        Q. HAVE YOU TAKEN ANY BUSINESS COURSES, MR. MISCAVIGE?

        A. I WOULDN’T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

    • Missionary Kid

      You’re reading too much into it. He is an expert on appeals, but it will only mean that Waldrip will be careful on his rulings. Co$ will probably file for a writ of mandamus, but it probably won’t go anywhere. Texas doesn’t favor them at all.

      Judges are kings and emperors in their own court, and having Wallace sit there may just piss him off more, but he’ll just be more careful to make sure that his rulings are based in law.

      Somebody may have convinced Davy that having a former Texas Supreme Court judge on the team would help him out. The retainer must have been huge, but when he’s in another judge’s courtroom, he’s just another legal gunslinger.

      The Co$ attempt to keep Davy from being deposed is weak on the law and weak on the facts. All they have left is bullshit. Wallace will provide a higher grade of bullshit, and be well paid for it.

      • Bella Legosi

        Thanks! Makes sense!

  • Ardent

    Can anyone clarify for a non-American what the RICO act pertains to, besides the Tony Sopranos of the world? I am curious about how or if the cult can in fact be prosecuted under it, so I need to understand it better. Any help?

    • YSYSYSYSYS

      I am also curious to know this, Ardent. I’ve only heard it mentioned in the Sopranos and Sons of Anarchy. The U.S legal system is so different to ours.

      • Science Doc

        Don’t try to learn anything from Sons of Anarchy beyond who the guy was who killed the woman and jumped off the roof. The show is unwatchable after the 200 th murder without 500 FBI agents showing up to ring down the curtain.

        • YSYSYSYSYS

          But, but… it has Jax!

          Seriously though, poor Johnny, makes you wonder what hand CO$ had in his breakdown.

          • TXCowgirl

            Jax! Jax! Jax!

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              :-)

            • Ardent

              Have to say I’ve not watched a single episode of ‘Sons’. Current fave is ‘Boardwalk Empire’, since Breaking Bad ended. Also surprised to find myself enjoying ‘Orange is the new Black’, which I was sure I’d just dislike and switch off, based on the premise. How off-topic is this? Oops.

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              Completely off topic and totally on board with my viewing habits.

            • Ardent

              heh. Well, who says we can’t sometimes have a little chit-chat? ; )

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              I have to admit to side-eyeing Laura Prepon in OISTNB pretty hard now I know “who” she is. There. That’s kinda on topic. :-)

            • Ardent

              So THAT’S the woman Tom Crooze/Mapother was seen with? The one with glasses? Crap.

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              Yep, that’s the one.

            • Ardent

              Oh, maaan! That’s almost as much of a bummer as when I found out Elizabeth Moss was a Scilon. I was very irked.

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              I wonder if she was born into it. Laura, I mean. Does anyone know?

    • Bella Legosi

      Its a pretty complex law…….here is a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RICO the spirit of the law is to indict, arrest, convict upper leaders of organizations that are involved in crimes. It has been used for the Mafia and gang type stuff, but considering how large Co$ entities are and the chance for huge fraud and human abuse and deaths they do seem fit for RICO…….that is only my opinion
      Here is the wiki intro if you don’t want to wiki
      Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, commonly referred to as the RICO Act or simply RICO, is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. The RICO Act focuses specifically on racketeering, and it allows the leaders of a syndicate to be tried for the crimes which they ordered others to do or assisted them, closing a perceived loophole that allowed someone who told a man to, for example, murder, to be exempt from the trial because he did not actually commit the crime personally.
      RICO was enacted by section 901(a) of the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970 (Pub.L. 91–452, 84 Stat. 922, enacted October 15, 1970). RICO is codified as Chapter 96 of Title 18 of the United States Code, 18 U.S.C. § 1961–1968. Under the close supervision of Senator John Little McClellan, the Chairman of the Committee for which he worked, G. Robert Blakey drafted the “RICO Act,” Title IX of the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970, signed into law by Richard M. Nixon.[1]While its original use in the 1970s was to prosecute the Mafia as well as others who were actively engaged in organized crime, its later application has been more widespread.

      • YSYSYSYSYS

        Thank you! Off to read.

        • Bella Legosi

          Enjoy!

          • YSYSYSYSYS

            From wiki: “a RICO-related charge is considered easy to prove in court, as it focuses on patterns of behavior as opposed to criminal acts.[1]”

            Patterns of behaviour like forced abortions and harassing ex-members for example? I really don’t understand why, if they can get pro-life activists under RICO for physically blocking access to abortion clinics, they can’t go after CO$ for forcing women to enter and avail themselves of them.

            • Bella Legosi

              >( I know and am disgusted that they have not done this yet!!!!

              It would be tricky to apply RICO to a “religious” entity. Outside the one case that was brought against the Catholic Church during the sex abuse depositions. I just hope that those who see or consider all this comes to the conclusion that this is indeed a destructive cult not fit for human consumption!

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              Me too. Messed up is a gross understatement.

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              Ooh! You ninja edited.

              How anyone could not come to that conclusion is beyond me. I have a feeling though that their days as a “church” are numbered.

              Heh! This was meant for you Bella.

            • Bella Legosi

              Yup……..tick tok tick tok…….
              They can no longer “handle” all the easily accessible information being posted into the internet memory. They can no longer “handle” people who are blowing and speaking out against the abuse, disconnection, double speak, rat/narc culture, and actual crimes that wogs would/should find very interesting and worth investigating (especially since all this “religious” crap is in part being sponsored by the government in the guise of charitable contributions) Will it take a son or daughter of some prominent government official see the truth? A truth many people have been screaming for years?

              What good occurs when NarCONon lies about it’s connection to $cientology? Why were they allowed to advertise as a residential treatment center when they were never licensed for such? Why were patients who admitted being under the influence put in a solitary confinement space and left to die (when they had full knowledge of that patient being under the influence yet did no medical tests to monitor how much the levels were. Any respectable rehab should have naloxone handy for just this type of situation.

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              I guess it all comes down to $$$. Follow the $$$.

              Davey has to be the most frustrated “big being” in the universe at this point in time.

              Once the internet is pointing and laughing at you (or asking questions) the jig is pretty well up.

              ETA: And thank all that is sane for people like Tony. The word is out and it’s getting louder.

            • Ardent

              Bella I am absolutely with you on this. I become enraged that this farcical, dangerous crapola keeps on sliding, without any serious law stepping in and ending it. the deceit, the maltreatment of persons – the list is enormous. I just get fidgety and want to scream. People who know me are aware this is one topic that will ‘set me off’, and sometimes they seem to enjoy the rant.

            • Bella Legosi

              I have an uncle who does the same crap to me! I hate it. The last time we got into this I looked at him and said, “Read. You sound like an ignorant fool who knows nothing about what I am saying!”

            • Bella Legosi

              Yeah when I read that part I was thinking, AH HA! I would think that if the gov went after Co$ in a RICO light; that may be what opens the door to the IRS pulling their 501 (c) status

        • Bella Legosi

          Oh it’s a doosey. Either Little Boots is lying his ass off or his recall is for shit! Either way it is interesting. And I hope to hell Waldrip has gotten a glimpse of it! I think that is why he may just have Little Boots come in for the depo. Co$ lawyers wasted so much time on bullshit objections. It’s going to be nice seeing that psychotic midget nailed against the wall. It is loooooong overdue!

      • Ardent

        Ahhh! I should have scrolled down. Thanks Bella. that was very clarifying. So, they would have to prove the cult is, in the first place, a criminal syndicate or organisation (I think that would be a breeze, but who knows?). How much does it take to show the cult is NOT a religion, but hiding as one in plain sight? This strikes me a core problem.

    • DamOTclese2

      Someone else posted the traditional review of RICO. There are “Predicate Acts” which help to identify when criminals have committed a racketeer-influenced criminal act. When criminals commit retribution and/or retaliation against witnesses or against people who accuse them or who file criminal or civil lawsuits against them, that is a Predicate Act.

      It does not even need to be applied to criminals who are implicated or charged directly, it can apply to family members who commit racketeering against people who file criminal or civil actions against criminals. Family members, gang members, church members, when people commit actions motivated by retribution or retaliation for some lawful action against them, their family members, friends, co-workers, whatever, that can be punished under RICO.

      It is helpful in anti-gang efforts as well as more traditional mob activities.

      • Ardent

        So – forgive me – if I get pissed at a neighbour for thawing garbage on my driveway, and I get retribution by signing him up for porn and pizzas and such, that qualifies as “Predicate” under this RICO law? That sounds like I’m not understanding.

        • DamOTclese2

          No, you would need to sue your neighbor and in retribution and retaliation your neighbor’s friend, family member, someone motivated to “strike back” against you throws a brick through your window for the reason that you filed a lawsuit. Even then a DA’s office would not see one act as RICOable, you would need to see a number of people working in consort or in contact with the defendant committing criminal or harassing actions against you, all motivated by the fact you filed lawful action against your neighbor.

          Two neighbors committing criminal acts against each other is considered “mutual combat.” For RICO to be successfully applied someone’s hands should be clean and should be the subject of retribution and retaliation while having clean hands.

          ‘Course I ain’t no lawyer. :)

          • Ardent

            Thanks, DamO, I appreciate all the info being sent.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          In order to try someone under the RICO act you need evidence that they’re running or contributing to a criminal enterprise. So your example would not fit.

          • Ardent

            I thought not. But then I saw Bella’s response, which made the issue much clearer to this wee lad. Thanks.

        • Hingle McCringleberry

          Hey bro. A extra little background on how RICO works over here. My old man is a retired FBI agent, so this is coming from him-

          RICO does basically does a couple of things- It allows investigation of an organization for criminal acts rather that going after individuals for individual crimes. This opens the door for prosecution of higher-up figures in an organization for things that they ordered and didn’t actually commit themselves. The head of a gang or mob or whatever can catch a murder charge in a RICO case for a hit that he ordered.

          Also, RICO allows the Feds to use some criminal acts that would normally fall under state jurisdiction in the overall case. Things like murder, kidnapping (inside the same state), robbery, bribery, etc- would normally fall to the local smokies, but the Feds (FBI, ATF, DEA, etc) can lump all of that into a RICO case.

          In practice, because the nature of RICO comes pretty close to blurring the lines of federal and state authority, you have to have more than one kind of crime being committed for a RICO case to start. Oddly, the Co$ would totally qualify for a lot of things in a typical RICO case. Other than trafficking, extortion, and almost certainly some local bribery and corruption, I’ve always been of the opinion that there are darker things going on in there.

          I put the question to my old man on why they haven’t brought the hammer down on Co$ yet and the response I got was basically there are a finite amount of Feds and as long as people are trying to blow up buildings, running huge amounts or drugs, committing obvious strings of murders, etc- that the feds are a little busy until they do something really obvious. . Hope that helps!

          • Sandy

            Well, it certainly helps me! Thanks for that easy to understand explanation!

  • Ruby

    Sorry if this has been posted already, but here is a link that Marty put up for a report on yesterday.

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Judge-to-Scientology-Leader-must-testify-in-5166735.php

    • Ardent

      Hey Ruby, thanks for that. Isn’t it nice to see the mainstream press paying some attention to this? Cheers!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Love the line at the end of this article. Seems Judge Waldrip isn’t the only one of the millions in Texas who would have difficulty identifying the dynamic, popular “Pope” of Scientology…

      (refresh)

      • Ardent

        It is to laugh, Douglas, it is to laugh. The arrogance of the creepy violent jerk is extraordinary.

      • YSYSYSYSYS

        That’s almost as good value as the line in LRH’s naval report about him needing to be on a large ship with proper supervision.

    • noseinabk

      5 comments? We can do better.

  • richelieu jr

    Hey Kids!
    Late to the game, but the AVCLub has just put up an article of where to start with Penn and Teller, and in thier series ‘Bullshit!’, who should appear about 8m30 seconds in? Why, it’s our on Tony Ortega!

    http://www.avclub.com/article/where-to-start-when-revisiting-the-bullshit-strewn-200909

    Look at what reporting on Scientology has done to the poor guy!

    • Bella Legosi

      Thanks for the linky link smooches

      • Elar Aitch

        Hi Bella – long time no see

        • Bella Legosi

          Why thank you! Trying to get back in the groove. Went AWOL cuz RL is just too demanding as of late! I lurk mostly, but read Tony’s posts. I just haven’t had much JD fuel lately :(

    • Tony Ortega

      First season, first episode. Yep, That was a lot of fun.

  • DamOTclese2

    Dear Tommy Davis

    When David gets ordered to appear for deposition in Texas, THAT will be your chance to step in and take over. Do it, Tommy! The insane child won’t be able to stop you if you plan it right and he’s unable to stop you. He’ll be ordered to stay in Texas for the duration of the deposition, you’ll have 2, maybe 3 days to step in and take over.

    Anonymous stands ready to assist you.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I hereby second the motion to DRAFT TOMMY DAVIS as the new COB of the Church of Scientology.

      • DamOTclese2

        “Scientology 2.0: Now With Less Midgets!”

      • AKS

        Oh, man, they’re gonna have to change up a lot of the furniture if he takes over. All that stooping is going to wreak havoc with the man’s back.

    • Anonymous

      You know its coming, Davey. Henceforth, TC will be taking it up the ass from TD instead.

  • Unex Skcus

    OT, but ‘Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition’: Eric Idle, Kirstie Alley clash over Scientology
    http://twitchy.com/2014/01/23/nobody-expects-the-spanish-inquisition-eric-idle-kirstie-alley-clash-over-scientology/

    • YSYSYSYSYS

      LOL! That’s gold!

    • DamOTclese2

      ROFL! I sent Kirstie the tweet and the stupid clown blocked me finally. Looks like everyone shoving Eric Idle in to her face got her to bleat.

    • Ardent

      Brilliant! That Kirstie…What an ass. She sees ‘religious’ persecution everywhere. Sorry honey, but your cult is NOT a religion. Never has been and never will be.

    • Robert Eckert

      That’ll be a twofer for MediaLush when he sees it. He always loved butthurt Kirstie tweets even before the Python affair.

    • Snippy_X

      Outstanding!

    • Snippy_X

      Outstanding!

    • Great White Clam

      On the other hand, everybody expects a $cilon inquisition.

    • media_lush

      nice one!!

    • media_lush

      …. the shoop possibilities of Kirstie vs Monty Python are full of potential massive lulz

  • Ardent

    I was wondering, is Kirstie Alley’s show tanking like I hope it will?

  • Ardent

    I was wondering, is Kirstie Alley’s show tanking like I hope it will?

    • aegerprimo

      I was wondering about that too. She made an appearance on the Ellen Degeneres show yesterday, talked about her show of course, and was her usual Scieno Douche Krusty self.

    • noseinabk

      I do not know how to find the ratings. MediaLush Or PI would be a good one to ask.

    • aurora50

      This shows she was #22 in her time slot, the day of the Rose Bowl game…it’s the most up to date report I could locate:
      http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings/2014/01/03/wednesdays-cable-ratings-and-broadcast-finals-espn-opens-2014-on-top-with-rose-fiesta-bowls-137214/cable_20140101/

    • media_lush

      ratings for a web company generated cable show are notoriously difficult to get a hold of unless you pay for them through the professional sites…. I used to have access for the US figures but no longer … just the UK ones. It’s rare for a sitcom “star” to be shilling for their show mid-season and one can safely surmise it’s tanking. The only comment on the latest episode I found is:

      “Cancel this steaming pile.”

      ….. sums it up, I reckon

      • Ardent

        Thanks, Media, I was sincerely hoping so. I detest her.

    • Gabbyone

      I doubt if scientology will be spending any $ advertising on this show.

  • Lady Squash

    Ray Jeffrey is awesome! The judge ain’t too bad either.

  • Shirley Eugeste

    Anyone happen to know what’s likely to become of Scientology’s assorted assets when the house of cards comes down? Who decides — the courts? IRS? Dave and/or his minions? And what about all the real estate? Some of the more architecturally normal buildings could probably be repurposed easily enough, but who could possibly want to buy the massive and massively tacky monuments to tastelessness? And what about the armada? The schools? How will those poor kids be integrated into “normal/3R” schools? And the Scientology faithful? What will become of them when the organization they’ve built their social, spiritual, and professional lives around is no longer there? As hard as it must be to voluntarily leave a cult, it must be even harder, and more traumatic, when your cult leaves you. Maybe it will suddenly become OK to be a squirrel. Or to seek real-world therapy.

    • media_lush

      eBay

  • MaxSpaceman

    The Prophet and Profits of Scientology
    by Richard Behar

    For roughly three decades Hubbard ran the notorious Church of Scientology, a “religion” he formed to “clear” mankind of misery. It came complete with finance dictators, “gang-bang sec[urity] checks,” lie detectors,
    “committees of evidence” and detention camps. In 1977 the FBI sent 134 agents, armed with warrants and sledgehammers, storming into Scientology centers in Los Angeles and Washington. Eleven top church officials,
    including Hubbard’s third wife, went to jail for infiltrating, burglarizing and wiretapping over 100 government agencies, including the IRS, FBI and CIA. Hubbard could hold his own with any of his science fiction novels.

    Amid all the melodrama, at least $200 million in cash produced by his strange creation was gathered in Hubbard’s name, and there is believed to be much more in organization assets: The Church of Scientology has proved to be one of the most lucrative businesses around. If Forbes had known as much as it knows now, after interviewing dozens of eyewitnesses and examining sworn testimony and court records in both criminal and civil
    cases, Hubbard would have been included high on The Forbes Four Hundred.

    There is something that Forbes still doesn’t know, however. It is something no one may know outside a small, secretive band of Hubbard’s followers: What is happening to all that money? Hubbard himself has not been seen publicly since 1980, when he went underground, disappearing even from the view of high “church” officials.

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/Fishman/forbes-behar.html

    • Shirley Eugeste

      lol… Great minds…

  • EnthralledObserver

    Anyone have any idea if Davey Makemerich is in the US at the moment? Is it possible to find out? Would he be in Australia for the Sydney Ideal Org opening if not? Any way to find out if he is here? (In case it’s not obvious, I’m clueless about this kind of thing)

    • Robert Eckert

      I don’t think Davey would ever allow an Ideal Org opening to come off without him. That might make it look like the credit for this glorious accomplishment belongs to somebody else.

      • EnthralledObserver

        I vaguely recall that he wasn’t present for one of the South African Ideal Openings… so, depends, I guess…
        I am really just interested in if there is a way to find out if someone is ‘in’ a country or not… I have no idea if it is at all possible to find out, or not.

        • Great White Clam

          Does he have a visa?
          Are the citizens of a country allowed to know who is or is not in their country?

          • EnthralledObserver

            Great questions I’d like answers to… ’cause I have no idea.

          • Ardent

            GWC, yes you need a visa to visit Australia.

        • YSYSYSYSYS

          Totally uneducated guess here. Unless you know someone in customs or in the ticketing/hostie area of the commercial airline (as if!) said passenger is travelling on you’d be SOL.

        • Robert Eckert

          It took a couple weeks after the Kaohsiung opening before there was firm verification he was there, and then I kept asking whether anybody knew if he had come back to the US or not (I was betting he would go elsewhere) and it wasn’t until the New Year’s Eve videos leaked that we were even sure of that.

      • Great White Clam

        Maybe he can do it by special appearance.

  • valshifter

    What damage will there be to Scientology, religion, life, the universe and everything?
    in answer to this question the scieno lawyers might have a megamillion reasons of what might happen, reasons that only a scientologist will understand; like the planet is in dire danger and only COB can help, or future generations will suffer if scientology is not propelled by dear leader squirrel smasher petit COB, or if scientology is banned from teegeack the end of the world will ensue and psychiatry will prevail, etc etc etc … the problem is the judge is not a scientologist, so they have to convert the judge to get a win in this court, and I belie the judge being a Texas judge he knows the sound of a snake rattling in the grass, you don’t see it but you can hear it. and 16 lawyers to stop a deposition? that is making a lot of sound in that court, something evil is hidden and lurking , there! there!….. right there.

  • AKS

    I hope he gets called up there, and I hope he completely loses it. He’s been buffered by his loyal staff for so long, people he HITS when he doesn’t get his way, he probably does know what a true, civil confrontation feels like. And I hope he flop-sweats, talks in ridiculously impenetrable Scientologese, lies in the most outrageous way possible, calls the Judge a motherfucker and melts down like Velveeta.

    I think he knows that once they get him up there, he’ll look about as ecclesiastical as your average radio shock jock (no offense to shock jocks).

    • noseinabk

      Not fair. The radio shack guys have helped me twice this month. Dm could never do that.

      • AKS

        No, no, shock jocks, like Howard Stern and the Howard Stern-wannabes. I would never want to impugn Radio Shack, where I have picked up many fine items for my ham radio needs.

  • valshifter

    I hope they ask him again if he has a High School education. just for the records.

    Q. DID YOU GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL?

    A. NO, I DIDN’T.

    • Hubbub

      Hah! There was also this beauty from his last deposition:

      Q. MR. MISCAVIGE, DO YOU HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION?

      A. I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT QUESTION MEANS.

      • SciWatcher

        Haha, I was just typing that one up to add, but you beat me to it! It is a beauty! Shows his sheer stupidity.

        • Hubbub

          I was just reading through earleir posts. Others beat us to it. But it’s worth a repeat (or two or three), right?

          • SciWatcher

            It says it all, haha!

      • Markthehungarian

        Still the best answer EVER given in deposition.

      • YSYSYSYSYS

        Thanks to Douglas for the link down thread, I’m wading my way through that depo.
        Holy dooley! The word salad is doing my head in and all I can visualise whenever DM or his “team” speak is rats with gold teeth.

        • OrangySky

          That deposition is pure gold – a perfect example of how a person “communicates” when they only have Scientology as a reference.
          And when no one else understands them? “You obviously don’t understand Scientology!”
          That’s like a English speaker going to China and when they can’t get anyone to give them directions in English, exploding and yelling “You obviously don’t understand English!”
          Uh….yeah. And the burden of communication is on YOU.
          What was it that Comm course promised again?

          • Hubbub

            It may also be a perfect example of why DM’s deposition needs to happen in front of the judge so he can put a stop to all of the sidestepping and objections.

    • Chee Chalker

      There will be some great questions regarding Lou.

      Lou is headed for the RPF, or to a remote location, where no one will be able to reach her, maybe even next to Shelly! It will be difficult to deny the authenticity of the text messages as the plaintiff has the sworn declaration of one of the message recipients, plus I am sure there is a way to prove (technology wise) that the messages are valid. So, now Dave has to explain why the messages were sent. If Lou sent them without Dave’s knowledge, why hasn’t he fired her yet?
      That is just the tip of the iceberg……and if Waldrip is there to referee, that will cut down on Dave’s attempts to refuse to cooperate. Think of all the questions Marty can put together for Ray to ask! I would seriously pay to see this. Maybe we could petition to have it televised as a pay per view event. That would be so much fun! And Krusty, TC, TD, etc could also watch Dave “confront and shatter”!

      • valshifter

        lol, a pay per view event, that would be fun wouldn’t it, ho my! everybody gathering lots of food, popcorn fun fun fun

  • Lady Squash

    I am reading a fascinating book called, “In Every War But One”. (This is not really off topic–give me a chance.) The book is about the Korean war and the odd behavior of our Prisoners of War (POWs). The War Department was concerned about several things: the number of POWs who were collaborating with the enemy; the number of POWs who ratted on their fellow POWs and the fact that not one POW escaped. The War Dept did a very thorough investigation after the war. They wanted to know why and how this happened.

    Their conclusion was that the POWs had systematically been indoctrinated and interrogation. The POWs had been lied to routinely and they had been “educated” by listening extensively to taped lectures and reading Communist books. The Chinese Communists (who ran the camps) used repetition, harassment, and humiliation as part of their indoctrination as well as a system of rewards and punishments. Anyone familiar with Scientology will recognize these forms of indoctrination. The POWs were vulnerable to this form of “education” as they had never been exposed to an organization that systematically lies about everything.

    Hubbard was an officer in WWII. These techniques were used by the Russians in WWII and it is reasonable to assume Hubbard knew about them.

    And now to tie it all together: Scientology is based on lies as is Communism–Communism was a land and power grab disguised as equality and prosperity for the masses. Scientology is a money and power grab disguised as spiritual freedom. My daughter used to refer to Scientology as that ChiCom (meaning Chinese Communist) organization. Having read this book, I now see what she meant.

    • Missionary Kid

      While the Hubster was a Navy officer, he never dealt with those techniques. $cientology’s use of those techniques didn’t, I believe, arise from the use by the Korean communists on POWS. All of the the stuff in $cientology emerged organically from his ad hoc manner of treating the problems that faced $cientology.

      Human beings react to stimuli in fairly predictable ways. Hubbard learned on the job how to “handle” people. Don’t forget that he made a lot of errors and changes as he went along. Those changes were made in an attempt to control people. In addition, he set the system up so that the person caught in the web of $cientology was always at fault.

      The hubster wasn’t known for studying things in any depth. I believe you’re giving him too much credit for reading. He just had a lot of time to perfect his long con.

      • vistaril_LOL

        I remember reading how one of Flubturds flunkeys saw he had CIA manuals and books on brainwashing etc on his bookshelves.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks, but he used tactics that kidnappers and criminals have used over the years. He was a mean bully without reading. Think of how he treated his wives. I say he was an advocate of personal abuse well before those publications were available.

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        The Hubster! Awesome! Doober McStooge and the Hubster. I’ll begin working on the Marcabian Buddy Cop script immediately.

      • Lady Squash

        You could be right, but he did take the time to write “The Brainwashing Manual” in 1955. He describes communism very well in regards to its brainwashing techniques. I am not sure what his game was in writing it. He wrote it under a pseudonym and it was a kind of “See, it is the Reds that is saying horrible things about SCN. That is because our technology works.” Or something like that. Scientology wasn’t so bad back then, or so I’ve heard. Of course, he was always authoritarian, but there was no Sea Org; no Keeping Scientology Working; no Ethics codes and so on.

        • Missionary Kid

          For one thing, he didn’t learn any brainwashing techniques when he was in the Navy. Before the exchange of Korean War POWs took place in April of 1953, “brainwashing” was a big topic in the popular press because of the behavior of some of the POWs who were definitely “broken.” As I remember it, there were calls from a few people who didn’t understand the behavior modification that had taken place to court martial the POWs who had been broken. That subsided once the professionals analyzed it.

          By 1955, the information on the different techniques were well known to the general public. LRH had no special information. I was a kid then, and while I don’t remember any of the specific techniques, I believe there were a number of investigative panels and studies which were done by real academics and the military.

          Read the Wikipedia entry on the Brain-Washing book. Hubbard ripped off a government report and wrote it to blame psychiatry for brainwashing. It was all bullshit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain-Washing_%28book%29 Read the FBI’s reaction to it. AFA they were concerned, they had a nut on their hands. Of course, the way that LRH would portray it, he would claim to have “written the book” on the technique. His hubris knew no bounds.

          Dianetics was still around in pockets. My oldest sister got involved with it a couple of years later, and that was also my first brush with Dianteics.

          The only reason $cientology wasn’t so bad was that the Hubster hadn’t gained much power. He was still trying to get $cientology off the ground. He was working on screwing people over, he just didn’t have the tech to do it very well.

    • OrangySky

      I understand that he studied these techniques after the fact. It was this phenomenon that prompted Robert Lifton’s original study on mind control and totalist organizations.

    • Mooser

      Fer Gawd’s sake Lady Squash. make sure to check for Communists under the bed, or in the White House !!

      • Lady Squash

        Mooser, I know the Red Scare was a long time ago. But I think you missed my point. On the other hand, perhaps I didn’t express it well. Or perhaps I’m just plain wrong in seeing a connection between Communist regimes and Scientology. Oh well, such is life.

        • Eclipse-girl

          There is certainly a connection with scientology and facism, or scientology and totalitarianism

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    There was a link at ESMB (glad it’s back!) to an article in the San Antonio paper, titled “Judge to Scientology: Leader must testify in Texas case”

    Link is at http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Judge-to-Scientology-Leader-must-testify-in-5166735.php.”

    Choice bits…

    The suit claims Miscavige was behind the campaign, and as his lawyers made clear Wednesday in strenuous argument, he has emerged as the central figure in the fight.

    “I can’t emphasize enough how opposed we are to having Mr. Miscavige sit for a deposition in this case,” Scientology lawyer Lamont Jefferson told District Judge Dib Waldrip.

    But in declining to reconsider his December order that Miscavige be deposed to determine the court’s jurisdiction, Judge Waldrip appeared to be even more convinced there are sufficient grounds to make him testify about his contacts to Texas and to the Rathbun case.

    “As I said in December, I think there is enough and I’ve not been persuaded to the contrary. Actually, I think there is potentially more now,” Waldrip said at the close of the hearing.

    In ruling that the church leader come to be deposed, Waldrip said he might have to preside over the sure-to-be contentious legal exercise.

    “It sounds like it might have to be done right here in the courtroom so I can rule on the objections,” he said.

    • Great White Clam

      “I can’t emphasize enough how opposed we are to having Mr. Miscavige sit for a deposition in this case,” Scientology lawyer Lamont Jefferson told District Judge Dib Waldrip.

      What does the “tech” say about “whatever you resist” ?

  • Snippy_X

    This might be of interest to some people here. It’s also free.

    Conference to Examine New Religious Movements
    U.K. scholar of religions Eileen Barker will deliver keynote address at UC Riverside Feb. 14

    http://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/20000

  • valshifter

    only thing that saddens me is; after all cities in the whole world become DONE and clear, and the cult takes whole control of the worlds population, we no longer will be able to use the Internet. the internet will be abolish completely disappear from the face of the earth. and the only means of getting information about what is going on in the world will be the Freedom Magazine on every supermarket in the world. wait am trying not to laugh.

    • Espiando

      I have a lot more things to worry about than not being able to use the Internet when they Clear The Planet. As a gay psych drug user, I’d be headed off to the Friendliest Place On Earth, the local Scientology death camp. At that point, I’m not going to ask if the cell blocks have wi-fi.

      • YSYSYSYSYS

        An upvote for your comment seems inappropriate so just know that I’m sitting here sadly pondering the magnitude of your post.

      • Anonymous

        Don’t feel too bad Espi. I’m below 2.0 myself and they’ll ship me off to the death camps on the same train.

      • Anonymous

        Don’t feel too bad Espi. I’m below 2.0 myself and they’ll ship me off to the death camps on the same train.

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        Two halves different minorities here. Keep your head up. At worst, we’ll stick together and they’ll have a hard time rounding up all of us. . .

    • EnthralledObserver

      *chuckle*

  • Hubbub

    Don’t look now. I think the Freewinds may be adrift at sea: How a 1,500-ton ocean liner turns into a cannibal-rat-infested ghost ship

    http://qz.com/169990/how-a-1500-ton-ocean-liner-turns-into-a-cannibal-rat-infested-ghost-ship/

    • YSYSYSYSYS

      Spooky, Mulder!

  • DodoTheLaser

    New important video is just in:

    “Gary Weber shares with us what happened when his wife got pregnant. In
    his first video he shared how he was instrumental in the organizing of
    pregnant women into vans , 12 in a van to carious free abortion clinics
    around Clearwater.

    In this video he describes how his wife was
    punished by being sent to the Gulag. This very baby who his wife was
    pregnant with in this story is now a young adult who has
    Disconnected from him under Church manipulation.” ~ Karen De La Carriere

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb7Gpzl0cLY&feature=youtu.be

  • Lord Xenu, OT XV

    Update:
    After realizing that his current strategy is not working, David Miscavige has created a new video for his lawyers to play for the judge – designed as a sympathy plea. Check it out at: http://youtu.be/UEaKX9YYHiQ :)

  • Snake Plissken

    It’s just not fair, this judge is not willing to participate in the batshit crazy role playing game of Scientology, my OT powers should have got this case thrown out already.

    I bet Judge Waldrip is one of those evil psychs who brainwashed us four billion years ago by smashing supercooled glass plates into our faces, he’s stuck in an electronic incident and doesn’t even know it , he’s clearly insane. Maybe I should help him out by selling him a set of ‘The Basics’ for $5,000.

  • dagobarbz

    Well, the addition of that former chief justice of the Texass Supreme Court has certainly shown his true character. Supporting a destructive cult after years of turning Texas into Clowncar Political Central, tch. That’s up there with former Gambino lolyer Abelson as far as character goes. I wouldn’t trust either one of them with a borrowed cup of sugar. What a pack of dethpicable scumbags!

  • loveisakillerandshesback

    Will we get a transcript in case Mr. Miscavige gets deposed?