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‘Going Clear’ subject Tom DeVocht reveals new info about Tom Cruise and Scientology’s leader

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We have another screenshot from Alex Gibney’s documentary Going Clear, which airs on Sunday, March 29 at 8pm. Pictured here is one of the eight former Scientologists interviewed for the movie, former Sea Org executive Tom DeVocht. We recently gave you a little background on Tom and explained how he’s been dealing with an increase in private investigator harassment as the movie’s airing nears.

And now, for the first time, he’s giving us new information about what he saw up close as one of Scientology leader David Miscavige’s most trusted lieutenants at a time when one of Miscavige’s top priorities was actor Tom Cruise. We’ll let DeVocht explain.

 
In Alex Gibney’s documentary Going Clear, I was glad to see how much Tom Cruise is put on the spot about his behavior in the church. I’ve seen others portray Tom as a kind of “victim” of Scientology. It simply isn’t true.

Many people are victims of Scientology. They’ve been bullied into submission. They’ve had their family and friends ripped away from them through Scientology’s policy of “disconnection.” Others have been ruined financially, and some have had their minds so warped they no longer know who they really are.

Someone like my sister, for example. And my ex-wife, Jenny Linson (daughter of Fight Club producer Art Linson). Both women have been turned into mindless automatons. And let’s not forget the young children who have been raised in the cult. When they finally escape into the outside world, they typically have no formal education, and nowhere to go or the means to get there.

No, Tom Cruise doesn’t fit into any of those categories, except for maybe not knowing who he is. But it’s plain that his involvement in the Scientology cult has done him nothing but harm.

So why is Tom Cruise involved with Scientology at all?

I worked closely with David Miscavige for years. I became for a while his “buddy,” and, unwittingly, one of his henchmen. I did his dirty work, spending many millions of dollars in parishioner donations on a roughly 40,000-square-foot building at the International Base near Hemet, California.

It was “Building 50,” or the headquarters of the Religious Technology Center, the controlling entity of Scientology, which Miscavige runs as its Chairman of the Board. (Hence, the name he’s called by lowly parishioners, “COB.”)

 
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Almost everything in this over-the-top building was custom made, from hand-woven rugs and one-of-a-kind pieces of furniture, to bulletproof windows and a customized stainless steel desk. Miscavige was adamant that this building would be a showpiece — even though it sits on a piece of desert property in the middle of nowhere and is never visited by anyone except members of the inner sanctum of Scientology leadership.

But what does this have to do with Tom Cruise? My answer: Everything.

Between 2001 and 2004, Miscavige repeatedly told me that the RTC building “has to be good enough for Tom Cruise.” Miscavige insisted that Tom would be hanging out with him there, and might even have his own office.

Miscavige and I once had a long discussion about the photographs he wanted to hang in the hallways of “COB’s wing.” Originally, he’d planned to put up pictures of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. But maybe, he wondered, Cruise would be more impressed if the hallways were decorated with photos of Miscavige himself. But even he realized how that might be too much, and he hadn’t resolved the question when I left the Sea Org in 2005. But I was told that ultimately underwater photographs taken by Miscavige on his diving expeditions were put on the walls — a sure way to impress Cruise.

It became very clear to me that Miscavige was starstruck, and he was obsessed with Tom Cruise. He constantly tried to keep up with Tom, coming up with new “Top Gun”-like uniforms, motorcycles, expensive clothing, wristwatches, and on and on.

 
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I actually believed Miscavige liked the guy until I was invited to the premiere of Vanilla Sky in December 2001. It was a reunion of sorts. As Marty Rathbun explains in the movie Going Clear, Tom had fallen away from Scientology for much of the 1990s because of his relationship with Nicole Kidman, and Tom was entirely cut off from Miscavige while he was filming Eyes Wide Shut. But then, to drive a wedge between Tom and Nicole and bring Cruise back into the fold, Miscavige had Rathbun audit Cruise for several years until he was a gung-ho member again. (Tom announced that he’d filed for divorce from Nicole in February 2001.)

At the Vanilla Sky premiere, Cruise’s co-star, Penelope Cruz, was by his side, and Tom was showing off his new SUV to Miscavige — it was customized and very nice.

When he pulled away, Miscavige let his petty jealousy show. He said that Penelope “had to go,” saying that she had looked at him “funny” and was “too Catholic.” (Even though it was clear Miscavige really didn’t like her, she continued to date Tom until 2004.) Miscavige also said that Tom was a “punk” because his SUV wasn’t as nice as Dave’s. “Mine is better, much better,” Miscavige said.

But Miscavige also acknowledged how valuable Tom was to Scientology. In late 2004, Miscavige and I were in London for the annual gala of the International Association of Scientologists. Normally, Miscavige would hand out a few “Freedom Medals” to church members who had done extra work. But this time, to recognize Cruise’s return to the fold, he intended to give him a special, larger medal that he was calling the “Freedom Medal of Valor.”

In Miscavige’s mind, those of us in International Management were all looking for opportunities to betray him and take the church down. He needed someone he could count on.

He explained his strategy to me this way. “Cruise isn’t smart enough to run the church like I can, but he has the presence and could be my Inspector General, and people would respect and listen to him. Because Tom is a very good actor, he could carry out my exact commands and directions like a puppet, and that would be OK with me. He wouldn’t even have to think. Then we’d be getting somewhere.”

He looked at me sternly and insisted, “I’m damned serious about this and I think he’ll do it.”

 
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I don’t know if Miscavige ever pitched his idea to Tom about becoming his inspector general (a position Marty Rathbun had left earlier that year). But Tom did, in a way, replace us all. Rathbun had left. I wasn’t needed any more. Mike Rinder left a couple of years later.

In the meantime, word went out that everyone had to refer to Tom as Mr. Cruise, or better yet, “Sir.” He was never to be addressed by his first name.

And all of this was happening while Tom was going through his own PR disaster. Becoming the ambassador of Scientology turned out to backfire on him badly, as he made an ass of himself on the Today Show with Matt Lauer and jumped on Oprah Winfrey’s couch.

But he was only following the script that Miscavige had written for him. They were brothers in arms, two “big beings” saving the world and taking no prisoners.

A year or two after I walked away, I heard from a dear friend who had also left Scientology. Greg managed Scientology’s hotels in Clearwater, Florida. One day, he found himself riding an elevator with Miscavige and Cruise. Greg asked a simple question: “How are you today, Tom?”

Greg explained this was the beginning of the end of him and he soon after was expelled. He believes to this day his “crime” was addressing Tom Cruise by his first name in front of Miscavige.

Don’t look to Tom Cruise as some sort of victim. He is, in fact, the deputy Chairman of the Board of the Church of Scientology, and it seems to me that he sort of likes it.

— Tom DeVocht

 
Thank you for that, Tom. We just want to add that in Gibney’s film, DeVocht explains in more detail how Miscavige made fun of Cruise behind his back, even sharing with DeVocht and others intimate details from the notes Rathbun had taken during his auditing sessions with Cruise, notes that contained graphic details of the actor’s sex life. As we reported earlier, Miscavige also had Cruise spied on for years.

If Miscavige was said to repeatedly betray the trust of his friend, we learned that Cruise’s relationship to Miscavige was surprisingly worshipful. As John Brousseau told us, Cruise worshiped Miscavige like a god. And Brousseau was in a position to know — he had not only customized Cruise’s homes and automobiles, he’d also been Miscavige’s brother-in-law. If you haven’t seen our two-part series on Brousseau and his amazing experiences in Scientology please do: Part 1, Part 2.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Here are some additional looks at the model for the L. Ron Hubbard Hall, which will go in next to the Super Power Building…

 
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Scientology is trying to glom onto the UN’s International Day of Happiness (March 20) by handing out The Way to Happiness booklets. Here they are in Denmark, and look how happy!

 
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Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 21, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Miss Tia

    Hollywood Arclight
    Facing Onslaught of prank calls
    Sci tech in action
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    Violently smashing
    L Ron’s name in history
    Gibney’s #GoingClear
    #haiku #scientology #LRonHubbard @alexgibneyfilm

    Scis won’t save your soul
    But they will promote your doc
    P.R. firm NOT church
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    Everything Scis do
    Confirms everything that’s said
    They don’t realize this? o_O
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    Paying for promos
    To their web pages of lies
    Backfiring move
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear #HBOShouldSendThemAThankYou

    Where’s a mofo clear?
    @JasonBeghe asked good Q
    Come on, show us one!
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear

    • Good Morning, Tia!

      • Miss Tia

        Morning Dodo! 🙂

    • Ella Raitch

      It’s Bard the Bowman!

  • 1subgenius

    Cruise is one messed up guy.

    Follow the tooth:

    ” Common congenital anomalies associated with SMMCI are: severe to mild intellectual disability, congenital heart disease, cleft lip and/or palate and less frequently, microcephaly, hypopituitarism, hypotelorism, convergent strabismus, oesophageal and duodenal atresia, cervical hemivertebrae, cervical dermoid, hypothyroidism, scoliosis, absent kidney, micropenis and ambiguous genitalia. Short stature is present in half the children.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1464380/

    • Miss Tia

      Didn’t his tooth end up that way AFTER he wore braces? I have to admit to never really studying his teeth—except that I know, after it was pointed out a couple years ago, he does have that middle tooth…..

      • 1subgenius

        Tommy Mapother.

        • Lurkness

          Wow, give some warning on a pic like that. Hubbard would envy that mouth. No wonder he has such a fixation on a prospective bride’s teeth.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Good point! He had to have been crucified (pun intended) in school – daily. Some victims of bullying use the experience to be kinder and more compassionate. Some choose to just be a better, bigger bean bully.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              MOST get over it either way when they reach you know adulthood because well it is ADULT hood!.. i’m so so tired of hearing these “he had a tough childhood” stories and that explains so much or alot! NO it doesn’t and NO he didnt’ have it that damn bad and my gosh hasn’t 30 plus years of adulthood and having EVERYTHING by now erase anything of a quote “bad childhood” which wasn’t that damn bad in the first place?!

        • Miss Tia

          ah, thanks for the pix!!! until lurkness commented that there was a pix, i thought you just replied with his name and couldn’t figure it out! LOL!

        • what’suppressive

          ” YOU WANT THE TOOTH. YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TOOTH”

          • 1subgenius

            Now why didn’t I think of that?

            • sumertin

              Because you didn’t hear the Howard Stern show that day.

    • Edward Whalley

      Yeah, it’s called “Sonic Hedgehog” because the same gene makes fruit flies all spiny. Any time someone shows you a “cyclops baby” or kitten, that’s the reason why they’re like that. I’m sure if Suri’s dad isn’t Tom, strictly speaking, it was a savvy geneticist who pointed out that mastery of MEST isn’t going to do anything to cure it….

  • So, how are you today, Tom?

  • RTC chairs look like human size rat traps.

    • Miss Tia

      in a way they are….

    • PickAnotherID

      Except for the angles and flat surfaces, I thought they looked more like those folding canvas beach chairs that drive you crazy setting them up. But they don’t look as comfy as one of those beach chairs, with it’s curved canvas, once it is set up.

    • alice kramden

      Intimidation chairs.

  • Maury Dowd

    In the film, Cruise comes off as a dupe and tool. Hanging out with David Miscavage? They look like two assholes. For real. OK, they look like friends excited to see each other, in some photos of them hanging out.. and I don’t want to comment on them both being short… but the next time they have a play-date, shouldn’t it be supervised?

    • Tracy Schmitz

      uh, that’s because he (t.c.) is a dupe and a fool in real life…..name me another famous person, much less a super famous person with money, success, fame, etcetera who has attached themselves to anything, anyone like cruise has? AND 1) not know how wrong in every way it is (much less silly, stupid, sad,etc.) and 2) not know how it has made things WORSE for them in all aspects of their life both personally and professionally 3) attached themselves to something like scientology of all things 4) does not see how utterly PATHETIC it makes him look? EVEN if scientology was a actual great helping people organization, it would still be ridiculous and weird for someone of the stature in the world of T.C. to be aligned with it and it’s leader THAT MUCH!!

      lastly, still scratching my head (well not really because i’ll never be able to understand or come to a rightful conclusion!) of how anyone much less someone super famous like T.C. could think and be okay with over the decades of auditing that to tell ANYONE the graphic details of his sex life (much less what is supposed to be a “religion!?”) is both normal and would help him? anyone else with half a brain and common sense famous or not be utterly freaked out, their “religion” was ASKING THEM and WRITING DOWN what they say details about their sex life!! and get up and run out so fast it would make the head spin!…

      • Tom Cruise is a stupid actor. There’s a lot of them, and a lot of people who are physically attractive but don’t have much going on behind the curtains.

      • sumertin

        Stephen Baldwin?

        Less famous but fits the criteria.

  • El Con Blubbard

    Thanks for the report Tony O on Tom Cruise.
    My prediction:

    Remember – no namby pamby panty waist dilletante…so if he is in – he is IN.

    I think he is selling his homes and giving the millions to Slappy Miscavige to make up the damage for the endless PR Flap he has constantly created. Tom Cruise continues to deliver more damage while still in than any other Thetan in the History of Scientology. Thank you Tom,Sir. You certainly earned that medal of Valour.

    Then – Tom Cruise is joining the Sea Org where he will work along side Slappy.

    Karma was a bitch for Tom Cruise uh-em: Katie Holmes landing that sideways blow….

    But then again – getting involved with an evil cult run by Satan –

    Lives blow up; people get hurt!

    After you are thoroughly confused and your life is in total chaos, the cult $ells you $olutions, only the $olutions never work. Welcome to Hotel Scientology. Where you check in but you can never leave.

  • L. C. Spencer

    Holy shit, Tony. This GC Countdown is the best GC Countdown.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    We in RTC wish to make on thing perfectly clear: There are only two official COB RTC burlwood pens on the entire planet. COB has one and Tom Cruise has the one COB gave him as a gift. And when Tom Cruise holds COB’s burlwood the magic happens; they both become big beings.

    • Dale A.

      I accidentally first read “burlwood pens” with an extra vowel.

      • Ella Raitch

        They wish they each had one of these

      • Rasha

        Surely that would be preceded by “bonsai”….

    • KNMF

      Also, Tom has the brand new pair of roller skates and Slappy had the key.

      • dagobarbz

        Either you read my mind or the confluence of data brought us both to the same song…seriously, I had this running through my head and then I saw your post.

        Tory once said I was OT (cuz I didn’t get us lost in Happy Valley) and here’s proof. Now you are thinking about car insurance and geckos.

        • KNMF

          Basketball and taxes. And geckos.

      • Valhalkarie

        Lol,mabe cob left his cake out in the rain,distraught over never having that recipe again..oh.no..
        Tom has a copy,the universe and Teggiak can be at peace.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      You’re up and snarking rather early today….did your master, oops boss, make you stay up all night again cleaning his Lobbs?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Major cosmic Hill 10 all hands flapping flap with Going Clear.

        • antibity

          institutional scientology = corrupt corruption

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      So you are saying that his holeyness COB gave Tom a woody? And then Tom holds COB’s woody?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        COB never had a second burlwood pen.

      • dagobarbz

        Can you think of any other reason DM tagged along on their honeymoon when he married Katie? Boy, that must have been uber weird for her!

        • Sydjazz

          At least someone had sex on their honeymoon. Oops me bad

      • Sydjazz

        Hehe woody

    • Sid

      Sadly they are both nearly out of ink and no JB to provide Ideal Refills. The last writing observed here was the writing on the wall for both of these ‘big beans’.

      • i-Betty

        “Ideal refills” made my miso soup go bye-byes!

        • Sid

          Sorry i-Betty. Ideal napkin time.

  • Lurkness

    Despite the Scilon’s protests and harassing phone-calling campaign, Going Clear is continuing its run in LA through Thursday at the Arclight Theater! (refresh)

    • Dr_Orpheus

      A lot more people in LA will see that film than attend the LRH birthday celebration. Remind trolls of that when they brag about how their church is winning.

      • Ben Franklin

        Very good point, and clever way to plant some seeds of doubt.

  • generic sock account

    He was jealous of Penelope Cruz, and we’re unlikely to read anything funnier than that all day. Put on some heels, Davey. You can win him back!

    • Graham

      Put on some heels? You make him sound like a Petty Little Bitch 😉

    • Actually, I suggest watching “Abre los ojos” – the Spanish original of “vanilla sky” – and understand why there’s no way in heck that Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige can compete. No way.

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125659/

      • generic sock account

        Who meets Penelope Cruz and thinks “she has to go”? I’m starting to think there’s something not quite right with this guy.

        • Missionary Kid

          1.1

          • generic sock account

            I’m sure even gay men think Penelope Cruz is hot and want to have her around.

            • Missionary Kid

              Jealousy. The 1.1 is covert, probably some sort of bromance.
              He wants to replace Tom’s women with someone that would be his puppet stand in.

            • April

              I’m a heterosexual woman and I think Penelope Cruz is hot.

            • HarmlessWeirdo

              I’m a straight woman, without so much as a flicker of sexual attraction to other women, and I think Penelope Cruz is hot and wouldn’t dream of complaining if she showed up and hung around. Nope.

              Miscarriage (lol, letting that autocorrect stand) likely thought she “had to go” because, as a non-Scientologist and a star in her own right, he had no power over her–and wee Davey’s greatest lust is for power, above all else. Plus, she took Tommy boy’s attention away from HIM! I’ll bet poor Davey’s mouth was filled with the sour taste of mad jelly over that one.

        • Ella Raitch

          She’s 5’6″ – nuf said

          • generic sock account

            I know, I looked that up too. Haha. That’s why Davey needs heels.

            • rom661

              And a garter belt.

          • Missionary Kid

            All of Tom’s wives were taller than him.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Probably more due to the law of averages as opposed to the laws of attraction.

            • Missionary Kid

              I got over my prejudice against taller women when I realized, too late, that I’d let my buddys’ prejudice against taller women override my attraction to a really great woman when I was in college.

              Tom, because of the law of averages, has either overcome that prejudice or he picks taller women as a symbol of his control over bigger people, a variation on short man’s syndrome.

            • rom661

              But Cher said he was in her top five, sexually. And Cher’s probably only had six….

          • KNMF

            In this bunch there’s always been arguments about who wears the heels, who wears the flats.
            http://i59.tinypic.com/10z63cy.jpg

            • Looks like they use the same shoes ‘lifts’ brand.

      • MaxSpaceman

        or, if that picture isn’t available, catch “Nine”

      • rom661

        I had seen Vanilla Sky. I picked this up. Five minutes into it I’m going WTF???? The combination of it being the same movie, both with Penelope Cruz, and a rather bizarre movie at that, was almost too much for my feeble mind.

  • Inspector General?…. There’s only one Inspector General….

    Pic

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      I’m pretty sure he was on the original list for Operation Celebrity.

      • Dusty Ayres

        Amazing how (and quite sad as far as current stars are concerned) the classic Hollywood actors never got roped into this kind of thing, but the current stars (like Tom Cruise) have; it doesn’t say something about how well they’re/they’ll be regarded (especially by fans of classic movies.)

  • what’suppressive

    Tom’s the one that can inflict more damage on the church than any other. If he went Beghe on CoB the world will listen. Miscavige knows this better than anyone. If self preservation is an instinct Tom hasn’t audited away, he’d get the fuck off that rickety old cruise ship while he can still do so with some credibility. I know of a a guy who’d be great at telling his story!

    • Oh, get out of here! Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige knows he can trust Tom Cruise explicitly!! After all, he has the recordings of the “auditing” confessions…

      Audio and Video.

      • what’suppressive

        The sword of Damocles

      • Peter

        I frankly don’t think he’d dare. His PR already sucks beyond belief and Tom has the many millions with which to defend/attack. A lawsuit from him against the czerch would be worldwide news…and ongoing. But who really knows? He’s so insane, he might just do it.

  • Jack99

    Another review of Going Clear: http://kmr.mightyminnow.me/movie/going-clear-scientology-and-the-prison-of-belief/

    “What sets this film apart is the examination of smart people who fall for con with all their heart, and why they cling to it after the sham should have become clear. It’s a superbly crafted, compassionate study of the state of mind that made them believe that acquiescing was their only ticket to eternity.”

    • 1subgenius

      “…compassionate study…”
      This is nice.

  • 1subgenius

    Tom Cruise had a horrendous childhood.

    • Peter

      Seem as if he’s now having a horrendous adulthood! 🙂

      • 1subgenius

        It usually follows.

    • Ella Raitch

      from wiki:

      The family was dominated by his abusive father, whom Cruise has described as “a merchant of chaos.”[13]

      He was beaten by his father, who Cruise has said was a bully and coward.

      “He was the kind of person where, if something goes wrong, they kick you. It was a great lesson in my life—how he’d lull you in, make you feel safe and then, bang! For me, it was like, ‘There’s something wrong with this guy. Don’t trust him. Be careful around him”

      He was ripe for the picking by Miscavige

      • 1subgenius

        Yes.
        And not to excuse, but to understand.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          no, it’s NOT enough to understand… when and if his ENTIRE LIFE was like that, physically and mentally horrible then i “might see it”? so he had a tough childhood, he STILL had the love of his mother and his sisters and them around him 24/7. his “tough” childhood lasted what a few years? meanwhile from the time he was 21 to now he has become SUPER FAMOUS, SUPER WEALTHY, SUPER SUCCESSFUL DOING SOMETHING HE LOVES! not to mention being born handsome! OH PLEASE! his adulthood has been something 99.999999% of the planet could only dream of having! and should have BY NOW! easily erased some “tough stuff” (that every child has gone thru i might add like you know those kids in ethiopia who are eating bugs off the ground to survive and living in a hut and their entire lives aren’t much better!) he went thru!

    • Tracy Schmitz

      oh please, my childhood beats his by a mile! i should be involved in 10 cults by now if that was the main source of joining one! and um, hasn’t his adulthood which has been longer then his childhood and what he got (super fame, super wealth, love what he is doing, etcetera) far FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR outweigh his childhood and what happened for a few years!

      • villagedianne

        Two people can get a disease. One person has a relatively easy time, the other almost dies. We don’t all react the same way to stress because as human beings, we are different from each other.

    • Peggy oh!

      And so he grew up to be the very very best at giving horrendous childhoods to thousands of children!

  • 0tessa

    Isn’t it time Cruise comes out with a public statement of some sort?
    Keeping silent in this media storm is not really an option.
    Does he think the storm will blow over? He might be wrong.
    Nobody is afraid of OSA or Miscavige anymore. ‘Going Clear’ is the turning point.
    Scientology has lost. In 2015. And there is nothing they can do about it.

    • Peter

      Damned if he does; damned if he doesn’t. What a spot he’s created for himself.

    • Jenstnick

      Time to confront and shatter!

    • sumertin

      I’ve thought about this every which way. There is no good escape route for Tom. His best bet would be to turn on Miscavage, but he won’t.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    So, Tom Cruise is David Miscavige’s Personal Tool. Gee, I sure hope Tom doesn’t hear about this sort of thing.

    • 0tessa

      Yeah, his toy boy.

    • Did I get 4 emails from you?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yes.

        • Thank you.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I printed them out, crumbled them up, and swallowed them whole:)

            • Just wanted to make sure 😉

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Boy, do I understand.

            • Yeah. Just emailed you back.

    • mimsey borogrove

      The premise Tom sets out to prove is that Cruise is not a victim, and yet he proves he’s but a willing tool. He fancies himself a big being, that they are both, hand in hand, are on a holy mission to save mankind. Yet, the man who once wanted to be a monk, is both fawned after and belittled by the Miscavage, a man who sociopathically uses everyone around him in the same manner, for the same ends, doesn’t see his role. I think it’s more accurate to say Cruise self tools, self victimizes himself, he got caught up in Miscavage’s puffery, his machinations, and though he is exposed to, and fends off all manner people wanting him day in and out for their ends, he lets this man past his guard. If only he could see past the smoke he has bought into, and erects around himself. But Miscavage couldn’t, wouldn’t let that happen, would he? He wouldn’t let the golden bird out of it’s cage, would he?
      Mimsey

  • Graham

    Just what happened here I wonder? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/8th-annual-drug-free-heroes-awards-gala

    This appeal for funds has been on Indiegogo since 20th January and is now in its final few hours. It’s virtually unheard of for a campaign to go the full distance and have zero support. If nothing else, a fond parent will contribute a dollar or two. Why start a campaign and put no effort into getting it off the ground? This woman claims to be an events planner and is apparently a well-connected NY Scientoligist with facebook ‘friends’ into four figures, yet gets $0 donations in a two month campaign. Just another example of Scientology falling apart at the seams?

    • Lurkness

      As Executive Director and Event Planner I am sure she will be noting on her resume the straight up and vertical results of her amazing efforts. (Daddy will now have to “make things go right.”) So great to see people catching on to the con of these fronts. Too bad Davey has tapped all the Scilons out. A good sign.

      • shasha40

        A Stupendous sign !

    • 1subgenius

      Watch Daddy swoop in at the last minute with the $20K goal.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        If he doesn’t, look for his name on the latest bankruptcy scrolls.

    • generic sock account

      Meghan Failkoff is such an easy joke, I don’t feel good about it. But I’ll say it again anyway. Meghan Failkoff.

    • Harpie Cardone (Grant’s wife) had one on Indiegogo a couple of years ago and also drew a big fat zero…. surprising as you’d think hubby would come in at the last moment but didn’t.

  • Phil McKraken

    Of course Penelope Cruz looked at Miscavige funny. How could she not? He’s a friggin’ whack job. I don’t doubt Miscavige’s extreme sensitivity for spotting people who don’t cotton to him. That’s why he is only willing to come into contact with people who have been conditioned to control and stuff any outward sign of their true feelings toward him — or strange creatures who actually like him.

    • Lurkness

      Hence the invention and patenting of Pie Face.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      “Did you see how she looked down on me?”
      “Well, Sir, you see, umm nevermind…”

    • Tracy Schmitz

      exactly! all ANYONE has to do is watch the 1st 5 minutes of his one and only interview on tv way back in 1992 with ted koppel to see that miscavige is lying insane evilp.o.s.! whether you knew anything about him or scientology or not! when i saw this i thought “how could anyone stand being in the same room with this guy for 5 minutes and hear him talk?!” i bet koppel felt he needed (and probably did!) take a shower and put new clothes on to get rid of the stench of being around someone like miscavige for a whole hour!… also when i saw this interview whenever i go back to it, i think “and cruise has this guy for a best buddy? WHAT IN THE WORLD?! oh wait, don’t tell me cruise and other culties “if you only knew him! in real life away from the spotlight, he’s actually a very good, decent, down to earth, genuine, great great guy!” UH HUH!

      • Phil McKraken

        Ever seen “The Manchurian Candidate?”

        “[David Miscavige] is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

  • Sejanus

    TC getting treated like a dummy….
    seems appropriate.

  • Hamtaro

    Meanwhile, somewhere in LA: a beautiful young woman sits sipping her organic green tea, reading the words on her computer screen and chuckling softly in the lower part of her throat. She’d known this day was coming for years, but that didn’t diminish the sweetness of its arrival. Even though she faced an exceptionally busy morning, she took a few minutes to look out into the predawn sky and silently give thanks for the years of misery she had wisely avoided.

    Then she rose and started cooking. Suri would be up soon and wanting breakfast.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Oh my, yes. And the bittersweet reminder, that someday soon, Tom is going to have to answer to the one person he can Not ignore – like all of us, she is going to have questions.

      • Observer

        Unless he does an LRH-and-Alexis on her. I hope he’s not that depraved.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yikes. Well, the good news is Alexis didn’t have a family and millions of fans watching her back. And I don’t think he’s anywhere near that depraved.

      • El Con Blubbard

        If you look at L Ron Hubbard – his families were shattered. Expect that for Tom Cruise – he is already following in the “Ole Man’s” footsteps…3 shattered marriages and 2 sets of kids from different woman…

        • Jgg2012

          And then there’s the marriage of Davey and Shelly…

          • Valhalkarie

            Thank god they have no kids his kid would have a special building with dead cats,raccoons ,coyotes,etc.

    • Beautiful.

    • aquaclara

      Lovely.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      I recall one of the anonymous NY’s protester’s great protest sign, which I wish she’d someday comment on having seen:

      “Run Katie Run!”

      Done. Target complied with.

      • dagobarbz

        Sure beats “KATY LOOKS LIKE SHIT.”
        The sign that got AO kicked out of the DooDah parade.

    • Meccaanon

      “Then she rose and started cooking. Suri would be up soon and wanting breakfast.”…

      Well played! I almost choked on my coffee!

    • Lighthouse

      Her heart surely sings everyday!

      Clever, clever girl.

      • Valhalkarie

        Yeah,that’s a momma bear! How calm cool and collected,the future on this story is going to be great,I hope we get to hear it.

    • Pepper

      I hope that Katie is providing Suri with the best education possible. Unlike Cruise’s other two children who are super-dedicated Scientologists. They will try to persuade Suri to join Scientology when she is older, you can definitely bet on that. Unless they wake up and get out of it themselves. One can never know.

    • Valhalkarie

      Beautiful! Tear

    • Margie8

      The only thing I can fathom is that Suri isn’t his biological daughter. Why else would he willingly abandon her? Did Katie threaten to reveal some secrets? He went to the extreme of suing a tabloid for claiming he abandoned her yet now he hasn’t seen her in two years! Or is this all because Katie was declared an SP? Suri just can’t be his.
      .

  • Ella Raitch

    Bronies picture is a must-have addition to this thread. Wants! Demands!

  • Rita Gregory

    This story is just screaming for a Pinocchio and Geppetto shoop.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Naturally, there must be a music theme to go along with the shoop. I’d like to dedicate this song for one of our big bean listeners out there, at least I hope so, someone we like to call “Just Tom”:

      https://youtu.be/b1GrOwI7EBM

      • Peter

        All I get is a big white space with the words “Blocked Plug-in”. 🙁

        • Dancing Cranberry

          works for me

    • BosonStark

      The plan of making Cruise a puppet has jumped the couch.

  • GaEagle1023 – Tom

    “In the meantime, word went out that everyone had to refer to Tom as Mr. Cruise, or better yet, “Sir.” He was never to be addressed by his first name.”

    And all of this was happening while Tom….
    (LOLOLOLOL)

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    The other day while we were all imaging Miscavige’s fate, and later, Tom Cruise’s fate, I was imagining Mrs. Bob Duggan’s fate in the coming months.

    First, the nervous calls cancelling luncheon invites. Then, the cold notices of club memberships being revoked. The maitre’ d seats her way in the back by the swinging kitchen door. The whispers and snickering behind her back as she works the cafe’s and boutiques on Rodeo Drive. The salon calls to say they are all booked for the year, sorry. Her personal shopper is suddenly unavailable on weekends.

    Then there’s the matter of handlers. I imagine she alone has dozens. Her hairdresser and personal shopper have been hounded by the gossip rag for dirt – which explains how they can afford to quit their gravy jobs. Unless all her staff are scientologists, in which case, They will be hounded by SP reporters, realize they are now PTS and be forced to quit too. The galleries call to give notice to pick up her wares as they have no room.

    Mrs. D will now be scrutinized and spied on 24/7, even in her sleep. She will be “questioned” by her closest handlers non stop, underfoot 24/7, until finally they get Something to report. Mrs. D is then summoned to her very own special confidential private briefing by DM himself, which turns out to be a lure for two weeks of invastive, excruciating and embarrassing interrogations, revealing he knows her most intimate details.

    Who do you think Mrs. Duggan is going to choose now? And if she blows the scene, I imagine every scientology whale is on her auto dial list.

    Good morning, Dave. Eight Days to the Reckoning.

    http://i.imgur.com/0y44ROk.jpg?1

    • generic sock account

      Squirrel whales. That is all.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’m still waiting for Obs to shoop that picture in your head.

      • chukicita

        found this by perfectly-nothing on DeviantArt:

        Gave me an idea for a Big Coloring Book of Scientology’s Demise.

        • Ella Raitch

          Adult colouring books are a great idea – so cathartic

          • chukicita

            and no rules about coloring in the lines for this book.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Finally, the vision. A few brain cells just short circuited.

    • MaryJoseph

      Not so sure given most are scios. They will not even see or hear about the film. Hope you are right.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        People in the Duggan category can’t shut themselves off from business and social circles like the average scientologist. They are going to watch this film. There are going to be rippling effects for any of the whales whether in the Hollywood set or the Wall Street set.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Oh, I hope so.. I can’t help but have a grudging appreciation and respect for Duggan himself.. I see the positive effects of the meds his company has produced.. I truly find it disturbing and so difficult to fuse the two Duggans in my mind.. The person responsible for bringing us those great cancer drugs, and the rich idiot who is supporting a scam that is manipulating, bankrupting and wounding a LOT of gullible people.. I’m praying that he sees the film and promptly tells c$i to feck off..

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Assholes accidentally do good for humanity throughout history. Motives usually ring around greed for money and power or some other nefarious intention. The Duggans and any other whales that have made the mistake of promoting their Hubbard hangups are going to be poison in social circles soon. In business, maybe not all. I know what you mean though.

    • rom661

      Assuming she’s still filthy rich (and that can be taken literally) I doubt that she has too much too fear in these regards.

    • HarmlessWeirdo

      Minus all the Scieno bits, this is pretty much what happened to Ruth Madoff, after her husband Bernie’s massive Ponzi scheme collapsed, right down to her hairdresser refusing to do her hair any more.

      But Mrs. Duggan, I expect, has completely surrounded herself with fellow Scientologists, and I expect she will burrow in even deeper once the wog-world negative feedback gets too painful. Unlike Ruth Madoff, she’ll still be immensely rich, and an incalculably valuable asset to the cult, which will pull out the stops to buffer her and her husband from any enturbulating influences?

      Might she encounter hostility when she goes out shopping, or to restaurants? No matter–she can afford to put loyal, faceless Scientologists on staff as personal assistants, and stylists/shoppers. She may already have done so. I don’t doubt the Duggans have personal chefs, and at their level of wealth she likely has a salon in her own home, and her hairdresser may already come to her. There are enough highly-skilled, heavily-vetted people in the cult–which is also determined to keep her loyal, if not happy–that she need not deal with non-Scienos at all in her day-to-day life. And any friends she has are also going to be heavily invested in the cult, so it’s unlikely she will experience social rejection within cult circles.

      I’ve spent just enough time among the fantastically wealthy to see how, given enough money, one can create a bubble to hide from the judgment, criticism, and various hazards and indignities of facing a hostile public. Had Ruth Madoff not lost virtually everything (she was eventually allowed to keep $2million, IIRC, which is chump change in those circles), she would have created the same bubble for herself. Money may not buy happiness or fix a ruined reputatiin, but it’s one hell of a
      good insulator against the freezing blasts of public opinion.

  • EnthralledObserver

    This is, I think, why John Travolta seems to get that little more sympathy than Tom Cruise. TC is in this thing up to his eyeballs – Travolta is a dupe, he’s a victim… but in saying that I do wish he’d find his balls already, it’s getting tiresome.

    • MaxSpaceman

      It’s more than evident that every massage therapist in all WUS Org cities are helping JT look for those balls.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Yet no luck so far… I’m beginning to wonder if Kelly had them lopped off after all. :/

    • chukicita

      they don’t “clang” like Jason’s.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Maybe they ‘tick, tock’ instead?

    • Travolta doesn’t find his own balls – he finds guys to find his balls for him.

    • villagedianne

      Travolta doesn’t want to lose access to his children.

      • sumertin

        John and Kelly are madly in love. If they left they’d do so as a couple.

        He’s in a tough spot. As is explained in the film, the Scientology machine is used as fiercely to defend him as they could ultimately attack him. His strategy thus far has been to lay low and keep them on his side.
        And to blow would almost be an admission that his church’s misdiagnosis of his son Jett is what killed him. A death that was easily preventable. To accept that may be unbearable for him at this point.

        • villagedianne

          Good point, sumertin, about Travolta having to revisit Jett’s death if he left COS. The possibility of losing contact with his other children, that’s something he won’t risk.

          I assume your first sentence was tongue-in-cheek?

          • sumertin

            No it’s my impression that John and Kelly genuinely adore each other, despite the circumstances surrounding how they were fixed up. If they were to defect, they’d have to blow together. (insert joke here).

          • ze moo

            Travolta’s daughter is 14, old enough for all those court ordered visits. Ben Travolta is what 4 years old? Sill, shared custody is possible and probable. Naw, JT stays because he wants to. He could easily leave and Kelly might go too. I have no good read on their situation.

            • sumertin

              Well… I doubt he “wants” to stay. I think he feels it’s the smarter option for him personally and professionally.

              If you knew that a powerful organization had video documentation of the last 15 years of your personal, private therapy sessions, you might not be too eager to cross that organization.
              I don’t have a good read on JT’s situation either. Everyone says he’s a wonderful guy but after so many years of church torment he may be a total loon by now.

            • villagedianne

              The Church could have damaging information to potentially share with Preston which could affect the terms of custody.
              Preston has her children. She may be just fine with ending a marriage which has caused her such embarrassment.

      • One Human

        Ah yes, the LRH parenting / custody method.

  • Re: “… some have had their minds so warped they no longer know who they really are. Someone like… my ex-wife, [mindless automaton] Jenny Linson.

    “I think you’re being quite rude and quite insulting!”.

    http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/02/acd.01.html

  • BosonStark

    How can Tom even think of looking for a woman on his own, if it’s a given this woman is also going to have to not only meet Miscavige’s approval but also like and be in awe of Miscavige also? I picture Katie Holmes being gracious and showing appropriate politeness and modesty around His Royal Lowness, but even that didn’t work out unless the main purpose of it was to produce a child with whom he can Skype on a regular basis.

    Reading this though, it just makes me wish Cruise would watch Going Clear. I kind of understand why he won’t though, because with the help of Scientology, Cruise has created an image of himself and his actions, and it’s pretty lofty. He thinks he’s a big being, for sure. And he doesn’t want anything to upset that equilibrium, the image he clings to in order to feel good about himself and his accomplishments.

    What Tom DeVocht has witnessed and written confirms Lawrence Wright’s ideas that both Miscavige and Cruise pursue what they consider perfection through acquisition of material things, which carry a lot of symbolic value for them as being unique, and which they think reflects their greatness or status, preposterously, as people who are going to transform civilization.

    • Peter

      Though he probably won’t watch it, be sure that his show biz handlers *will* as they have to handle the fallout.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        don’t know aren’t his family and his “handlers” culties too? gosh knows they aren’t going to rock the boat and stop the money gravy train!

    • Tracy Schmitz

      weird oxymoron if you ask me… being powerful and materialistic to the extreme and pathological self absorbed but yet thinking your becoming the best you can be and wanting and are helping mankind? HUH and DOUBLE HUH?!

    • jane456

      If he gets the fuck out….he can pick his own ladies. If he stays in, he can only get Miscavige approved women. Bit of a pickle for mr. movie star, eh? I don’t see any heroics coming from this guy, his whole life is motivated by selfishness.

    • sumertin

      TC will see it. He may have already.

  • PickAnotherID

    I wonder if Penelope Cruz knows how lucky she was Miscavige decided she, “had to go”, instead of, “get her on the cans”???

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      In my dream, Tony Ortega scoops an interview with her after she watches HBO Going Clear.

      • One Human

        I dream of Leah @ one of Tony’s book signings 🙂

    • sumertin

      I’m sure they tried. And her refusal is probably what broke them up.

  • George M. White

    These stories about Tom Cruise and David Miscavige are important to me because I am reminded of the severe mental disease that I received from Hubbard more than 25 years ago. It is interesting to look back at the foolish blabber that results in the end from the application of the tech. I was subject to the same inner forces carefully implanted by Hubbard. Cruise would have fallen by himself but he has now both fallen and been tarnished. Both of these “thetans” are self-centered and pre-occupied with toys and trivia. The disease of Scientology that I caught was an inferior substitute for thought. You can see the same pattern in Cruise. He is now dysfunctional to the point that he would be hard pressed to come up with a solution to his problem. In the end, to get back his integity he must renounce scientology. Miscavige, on the other hand, is now hopeless.

    • David Braverman got depression, anxiety and panic attacks after doing OT 3…
      http://www.mikerindersblog.org/david-braverman-a-too-familiar-story/

      I hope you George and David are okay now. Wish you inner peace.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        No, no, that was just some upper level phenomena that could have easily been handled in session to an F/N if he had stayed at Flag and spent as little as $500,000 for some repair intensives.

      • George M. White

        Thanks, Dodo. I have inner peace. I knew of David Braverman, but never met him.
        I look at Scientology now as a mental disease that I once had.
        Hubbard gave me the disease over 40 years ago. It has been washed
        out.

      • George M. White

        Dodo, Btw,
        Thanks for the link to Mike Rinder’s blog. I am having a very nice conversation with David Braverman. My wife will join in also. This is catch up from 25 years ago!

        • Wow! This is great! You are very welcome, George!
          Thanks for conversing with David, I am sure it helps him.

    • Ella Raitch

      What a great description of auditing:

      I am reminded of the severe mental disease that I received from Hubbard more than 25 years ago

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yes and Yes and Yes. Scientology is Being Ron. And you know what shape he was in. Again, scientology makes you pay to cause you mental disorders that others pay psychiatrists to get rid of.

      • George M. White

        When I was watching Kirstie Ally on the Howard Stern show a few weeks ago, I detected
        the same “eye stare” that Miscavige has. It hit me that scientology is a mental disease.
        Auditing must somehow generate it. My theory is that it is partly hypnotic, partly chemical and
        party neuron based. Would make a great reseach project. I wish I had an MRI reading
        of Miscavige’s brain.
        GMW

  • Sunny

    Nothin’ sweeter than puppy dog luv. (barf)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank you. Did you ever think we would be seeing and hearing this on the Today Show? This just made me cry.

      • Missionary Kid

        The CBS This Morning Show with Gibney and Wright was great a few days ago, too.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yes, that brought out the tissue box too. Recovery is a bitch.

          • MaxSpaceman

            yes- at the same time, it seems all of sudden, in the movement beginning with a.r.s. (alt.religion.scientology) in early 90s, after 25 years that –

            Warp Drive has been engaged, Sir ! There’s this seismic shift that has changed the playing field forever. As you said, when would anyone have imagined to see a major news segment on the US of A Network Television morning shows, have a story of scientology! In the name of Xenu/Xemu !

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              It’s warped all right.

      • … <3

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          thank you.

    • BosonStark

      It’s really great the cult is so helpless now they can’t even put in a spokeshole to eat up the airtime trying to distract from someone like Marty, who definitely does not come off as a former low-level employee. The message has never come out more strongly that the “Church” is the one that lies about everything.

      • generic sock account

        Yes, that “low-level employee” lie was a massive failure. You can tell even by the way Savannah Guthrie asks that she doesn’t believe that at all.

    • April

      By admitting that he ordered the Nicole Kidman wiretap, even if it was at the behest of Miscavige, isn’t Marty opening himself up to criminal charges?

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    Despite TC’s incriminating portrayal in GC and the buzz surrounding it, his silence is puzzling. AFAIK, this is absolutely what not to do when facing damaging PR; the longer he waits, the more negative public opinion entrenches itself by implication that the allegations must be true.

    What’s going on behind the scenes?

    – He mistakingly believes it will blow over on its own. (hasn’t learned from previous embarrassing flaps)
    – He’s under cos orders (believes cos retaliation would be worse).
    – He thinks his good friend Miscavige will handle it.
    – He’s a soulless fanatic.
    – All of the above.

    Furthermore, it’s hard to imagine that the MI5 PR machine doesn’t somehow feel invested in this since GC could derail their movie’s promotion.

    It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out.

    • Missionary Kid

      If he doesn’t blow he’s getting good advice not to comment. If he does talk, it’s more attention for the movie.

    • Ben Franklin

      I have wondering if maybe Cruise is planning to move overseas. He has been selling quite a bit of personal property and may as well be contemplating retiring altogether .

    • Gerard Plourde

      I’ll vote for “All of the above”. Like the Munchkin, Cruise’s interior sense of insecurity makes him seek to prove that he’s superior. The fact that Miscavige has and uses Cruise’s auditing information reinforces Cruise’s insecurity and restarts the viscous circle. He probably idolizes the Munchkin and at the same time despises him (on some level).

    • EnthralledObserver

      Do you think that anyone on the MI5 project has asked him about it? *wishes for someone to crawl from the woodwork and spill their guts regarding such a tale*

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Time will surely tell. TC’s erratic behavior (Matt Lauer and Oprah), his insistence on a cos tent on the set of War of the Worlds (said to have been a troubling precedent in the industry) and the rumor that TC royally pissed off Steven Spielberg contributed to Paramount ending its contract with TC.

        This is worse, much worse.

        • Peggy oh!

          Ok so after that all went down and Cruise was basically ordered to keep “it” (scientology) in his pants if he wants his career. I think this has had him seething mad all these years since. I bet his career handlers are having a horrible time with him now and don’t dare let him speak, because dollars to donuts he is frothing about this religious intolerance. Blah blah blah. His career handlers are really the ones in the hard place. They probably know it best to get out ahead of this but know he can’t be relied on not to nuke his foot let alone shoot it. IMO

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            Good point. Like all fanatics, he may see himself as a principled beacon of truth, willing to martyr himself for the cause. Convinced he’s right, everyone else is wrong and history will ultimately vindicate him.

      • Ella Raitch

        I’d love to see a visible, reportable boycott of MI5

        • EnthralledObserver

          I’m in – well.. to be fair, I always was. I think I’ve only seen the first of the series and that was on t.v. In fact… it was so long ago that I’m not sure at all if I watched the whole thing.

  • Ben Franklin

    These are the kind of stories that will be very hard for Tom Cruise to ignore especially if Miscavige ever approached him to become inspector general.

  • Graham

    Everywhere you turn there seem to be squirrels….
    http://www.google.com/doodles/first-day-of-fall-2015-southern-hemisphere

    • Miss Tia

      squirrels squirrels everywhere a squirrel…..

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Countdown continues.
    8 freakin’ days, Davey.
    Only 8 days

    Behind the Eight Ball
    It is not safe, the number eight
    The Discworld wizards do relate
    The eight for them is quite taboo
    Tho’ not for me, perhaps for you.
    But, hey, DM is Section 8
    A little tyrant full of hate

    Two four six eight.
    Who shall we enturbulate?
    It’s true you never finished school
    But this ain’t hard, you tiny tool.

    I know you study the Whole Track.
    Should that be the Enturbul-8 track?
    Tick tock, Dave, you’re a sad sack
    Perhaps more familiar with the 8-track

    You know you gonna get the Shaft
    Bet you’re thinkin’ “Where’s the raft?”
    Your whole scam is about to rupture
    Time to learn to tie a figure eight suture

  • So, scientologists are cancelling HBO now. Like every other OT Committee member,
    or something major like that. http://www.mikerindersblog.org/cancel-your-hbo-service/
    HBO is in tears.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Oh gosh no… not all 47 of them?!

    • Miss Tia

      I’m surprised any of them could afford HBO in the first place! That’s money that should have been going to the church!!

      • joan nieman

        I know Tia. Every extra penny is to be given to the cherch.

    • NOLAGirl

      HBO is downtone anyway Dodo. That’s $10 a month that can buy doorknobs. 🙂

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I’m sure this campaign will be a big failure, just like his last one turned out to be:
      https://twitter.com/carybg/status/568862184056467456

      • MCurie

        What happened with this Milner-jumpstart ? Last I saw in the previous round Washburn was in close 2nd place to the Humane Society and now they aren’t a finalist. There are only 4 finalists in the 16+ category but 5 finalists in the 15- category. Not that I want them there but curious what happened as there didn’t seem to be legal reasons to exclude them.

        • generic sock account

          I forget who it was, but some Bunkerite actually called a representative from Milner to ask what happened to Washburn Academy. They were told Washburn withdrew themselves from the contest. No one is sure why exactly.

          • MCurie

            Thanks for the update. Very curious. There must have been potential for backlash that wasn’t worth the $20K. Maybe a whale gave WA $$ to convince the school and kids/families to quit the contest without a fuss.

          • Graham

            All finalists have to publish a statement saying something about their organisation and what they want the money for. I did wonder whether that might have been a factor in their deciding to withdraw. Scientology- the religion that dare not speak its name.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              There were specifics about what kind of community benefit accomplished, so there’s that.

    • Fools! Don’t they know that HBO stands for Hubbard Box Office?

    • Skallene

      I started with HBO to watch the Sopranos and stay to watch “Going Clear.” Will I never be able to cancel HBO?

    • April

      And HBO is crying all the way to the bank. Far more people are going to subscribe for the Going Clear documentary than are going to unsubscribe because of it.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Tomm Cruize is not going to leave his $500 million fortune, join Sea Org, become RTC staff and then accept appointment as Inspector General, working for $45 per week. Like he’s going to give up his place in the motion picture business. Yeah, right.

    Even if he stopped acting, his power base in the production part of the business would keep him making pictures forever. Imagine how many properties he has optioned, how many works his companies have in development with studios; he could never act again and make out just fine as a Producer. The IG angle is a red herring.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      It’s almost like David Miscavige would have to be insane to even think he would accept slave position.

      • Ben Franklin

        I kind of feel like Tom Cruise is so into Scientology that he may be open to such an offer. Wasn’t there some stories that Tom Cruise at one point contemplated becoming a monk?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Please. Some things never change. When you’ve soaked for too long in the environment of the rich and famous, you become addicted to 5-star service. “Roughing It” would be berthing at the Four Seasons – but without room service,

          • Ben Franklin

            Maybe that is why he backed off if it was offered. Realizing that it is not a cushy life. DM would have probably bent the rules for him.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              And the other Sea Org staff would Not be saluting, I can tell you that for sure. There are some celebs who were announced as “Honorary Sea Org”. I don’t know of anyone who thought any differently about them because of this schmoozy title, and plenty who resented it. Chick Corea is an Honorary.

            • MaxSpaceman

              You think Chick is still scraping BTs and Clusters out of / off of his person ?
              In his 70s and he’s still auditing Body Thetans ?!?

              “What are you?” and “Who are you?” Then the buggers ‘blow.’
              That’s how he keeps his fingers so facil ?
              I wonder . . .

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I haven’t joined him anytime he was on the Freewinds, but at Flag, he stuck with the piano. Unless….

            • Juicer77

              TC would never give up the freedom he enjoys right now. DM may have thought about bending the rules, but would never have made things for TC *quite* as cushy as his own lifestyle. It would have rapidly devolved from BFF gift-giving to fighting over who got the most luxurious quarters and gifts from the staff.

        • Sidney18511

          Yes, when Rona Barrett interviewed him when he just started breaking through as the new hollywood “it” boy, he mentioned he was very spiritual and prayed a lot and had at one time considered becoming a monk.
          That’s when the cos went after him.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          NO! that was a joke mimi rogers (1st wife) told the interviewer when she posed and did a interview for playboy years and years ago… it was a ‘dig” on cruise right after he divorced her.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Lolol 🙂

        Oh, then I see, maybe it will be “The Dynamic Duo – Big Beings Both” cuz Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige (credit: Jens Tingleff) *will* appoint Cruize IG and Thomm *will* accept!

    • Gerard Plourde

      I don’t think that the IG thing has to be a formal or a full-time thing. The example Tom gives of his friend Greg’s encounter shows how it could work. Cruise would just be Miscavige’s snitch, reporting on people he encounters who are “out ethics”. Cruise almost said as much in the infamous video. His words were “I won’t hesitate to pu ethics in on someone else.”

      • MaxSpaceman

        After March 29-30, Cruise doing any of that would be the silver stake right through the heart of his Hollywood career. Forever.

        The playing field has changed dramatically, never to be what it was again.

        • Gerard Plourde

          Only if it’s disclosed. If he reports a member of the Sae Org who then goes to the RPF who’s going o alert the media?

        • Gerard Plourde

          But if it’s a member of the Sea Org who gets sent to,the RPF, who’s going to report it? (This may be a double post. I can’t seem to find the original on the thread.)

    • Ben Franklin

      What I came to realize is that when the church describes Marty and Mike as low level employees, what they are actually implying is that after the were sent to RPF they did not have their former posts. This the same logic the church uses when suggesting that both men were stripped of their positions.

      • EnthralledObserver

        A Narcissist always uses a sliver of truth on which to embellish or warp to his advantage or purpose.

        • Juicer77

          Mismanage took great pride in sending executives to the Hole while they were in their exalted positions, just to show the underlings that no one was too important to get punished. Purely a power display.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Wrong.

        From The Hole, Rinder was shipped to Great Britain to thwart / handle Sweeney. Rinder was *not* stripped of his position.

      • generic sock account

        Nah, it’s not that complex. They tell that lie in a pathetic attempt to diminish their credibility. If someone is telling you crimes are being committed at a company, would you take it more seriously if it were coming from an executive, or the night shift janitor? It’s quite simple.

        • Ben Franklin

          Off course they know it is a lie. Only when you press them further, that’s when you may realize that it is also true that when someone is sent to RPF, they are taken off post. For the average person, it is obvious, in a courtroom they may get a way with it.

          • generic sock account

            You’re trying to find some shred of truth in an outright lie. There’s no “Well, technically…” about it. They tell that desperate lie to attack their credibility. It’s not a legal strategy.

            • Ben Franklin

              It is a public strategy with an exit route.

            • generic sock account

              Well, technically…

            • Ben Franklin

              That is what I am saying, and that is how the church is likely going to explain the lie when they are eventually pressed hard on it. In other words, they know what they are doing.

  • Poor Davey! In his heart of hearts, he knows that he’ll never be good enough for Tom Cruise.

  • Ella Raitch

    For every escalation of fair game against Tom DeVocht, I hope he shares another snippet that goes to the heart of the relationship between Cruise and Madsavage.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?38704-Ex-Scio-Tom-DeVocht-SCIENTOLOGY-STOP-BULLYING-MY-FAMILY&p=1018394&viewfull=1#post1018394

    • MaxSpaceman

      JustSheila puts it really beautifully:

      “The cult of Scientology, more than any other group, has proven the case that the separation of Church and State, of religion and government, religion and business, must be more explicitly segregated. No other group has abused the legal system for personal profit more than this cult, no other group has so repeatedly and compulsively abused its privileges to its monitary advantage at the pain of others like this one.

      “No other group has better pointed out our need to clarify the laws of the land, or challenged the First Amendment so hideously by using it for its personal profit, no other cult has made more blatantly obvious the urgent need to differentiate between a church and business, and clarify the seniority of human rights over the right to freely practice one’s beliefs.”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’m a JustSheila fan – this is Why.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Zackly! My head like nearly ‘sploded reading JustSheila’s post!

          I’m turning those 2 paragraphs into Spaceman TR-O: drill. Drill / ram those sentences into this ol’ grey matter and repeat. To everyone who asks what must be done about “Scientology.”

      • NOLAGirl

        *standing ovation*

      • EnthralledObserver

        It’s so obvious that it is rather ridiculous that this has not been addressed politically much earlier than this.
        Kudos to JustSheila for wording it so concisely.

        • MaxSpaceman

          it is, EO – only to you’all Down Under much moreso than ‘mericans up here. It is slow slow centuries old and awful quicksand to go into this in the politics of the US of A. ETA: and yes, it is Sheila’s concise presentation of the argument that could be a real step into the morass, to get some change here.

          I wanna take a course with JustSheila !

        • shasha40

          Yeah, she nailed it .

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Mindblowing inner thinking of supposedly the leader and “President front man Inspector General” leader (aka Tom Cruise) of Scientology.

    Excellent info, what a treat of new info!

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Great photo of Howdy Doody with Tom Cruise. Which one is the puppet?

    I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning.

    Sarcasm aside, when I was a kid Mom and Dad told me that money wasn’t everything and that fame wouldn’t make me happy. Of course I didn’t believe them. I told my two older kids the same thing and they don’t believe me, I am sure. When my baby gets to be the right edge I will tell her about Tom Cruise and how this handsome, talented man could have lived a happy life but he wanted more and more. He even wanted to be a God and hangout with the person he thought was God’s caretaker. And it made him into a dangerous bully and a sad man.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Now there’s a frightening bedtime story!

    • Rasha

      “Once upon a time, there lived a handsome young fellow, who left his unfortunate childhood behind to become a successful man. Then, one day, he met a strange little goblin, who told him how wonderful he was, and promised him all the Good Things in life…..”

      (hours pass…)

      “…M-M-Mommy…… please leave the hallway light on…”

      • joan nieman

        The strange little goblin….now that is frightening!

  • Dorothy Gale

    I just subscribed to HBO. Wouldn’t miss this for the world.

    • kemist

      I wish I could. Unfortunately, HBO Canada is made of fowl excrements, tard and fail, and will even censor any show that just speaks about the movie. Getting it semi-legally in Canada looks like it will be more difficult and intricate than getting it off a torrent. So, torrent it is. Sorry HBO Canada and Bell, you should have grown some balls.

      • Nancy Law

        This makes no sense because as far as I know $cientology isn’t even considered to be a church in Canada although, of course, they’re extremely litigious. I am shown hard core porn on my tv but even though I’m an adult, HBO has decided that this 120 minute movie is too upsetting for my Canadian eyes. I just thought HBO was HBO … this is bullshit!!!

    • Nancy Law

      I have been subscribed to HBO for a couple of years and have been anxiously awaiting this Sunday only to discover that as a Canadian, HBO is offering to me, instead of “Going Clear …. “, a movie called “The F Word”. I’m so pissed off. Will someone pls post a url to get to this as soon as they know. Thanks very much as I haven’t seen that it is playing at a theater here in my city in Canada.

  • Ella Raitch

    Gaah. Jerry Maguire’s on – Tom Cruise kissing up Renee Zellwegger – it looks so wrong.

    • Sherbet

      No wonder she had a face lift. She doesn’t want Tom to recognize her while he’s wife shopping. Run, Renee, run!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        bwahaha. That explains everything! I think any future “Date Tom Cruise” audition invitiations will be turned down with a, “I’d love to, really I would, but I’m being fitted for braces that day”.

      • Rasha

        Maybe it was the closest she could come to actually replacing it, after that scene…

    • Science Doc

      Just walk away Renee…

  • Simi Valley

    When I was a Flag public around the same time period … let’s say the first few years of the 2000 decade … all of a sudden I start receiving emails addressing me as “Ms. Valley.” I emailed back, pissed off as fuck … what on earth were these a’holes thinking? (That’s the point … they weren’t thinking; they were just operating off orders.) So the smart few Sea Ogres who did continue to communicate with me addressed me as Simi.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Oh, Ms. Valley – that is too funny !

      • Simi Valley

        STFU!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      At least they didn’t call you “Sir” anymore. I refused to call any of the women Sir. And when someone addressed me that way, I always asked they refer to me by my first name. Rebel in tiny measures.

      • shasha40

        All measures of rebellion against CoS are a win !

  • Rasha

    Big beings are big
    Cruise besots a smaller one
    Davey Tiny-Fists

    • shasha40

      Extra points for using , ” petty lil’ bitch is jealous , I’ll scratch her eyes out ” . 😀

      • Rasha

        This is SO my favorite moniker…..

        • shasha40

          I Love it .

  • Dale A.

    I believe Tom Cruise will never disassociate himself publicly or personally from Scientology, I don’t believe he is capable of it.

    OTOH, wasn’t he seen on camera (Oprah?)expressing some regrets about the way he spoke to Matt Lauer,? And Brooke Shields wrote that he apologized to her. So if can do those things, it means he can act independently, or even in direct contradiction to instructions.

    • Rasha

      I’ll wager $20 and a cup of coffee that it was 100% Damage Control. AND that he was doing exactly what he was told to (though he probably did think it was on his own volition).

      (edited for cut’n’paste boo-boo)

      • Dale A.

        Yes Rasha, I sort of wondered about that. Maybe that silly actor wasn’t really thinking for himself when he apologized, he was just following through on the next set of instructions. Depressing.

    • Sherbet

      Not only did he apologize to Shields, she and her husband were invited to the Cruise wedding in Italy.

      • Dale A.

        I think I remember reading that. A person in Cruise’s position must be swimming in such a sea of weird. Like when Michael Jackson got up on a car roof and started dancing outside the courthouse where he was being tried for child molestation? I think for these people everything is just more entertainment, and more public response, up or down it doesn’t matter, it’s just more.

      • No doubt she has a souvenir of the wedding that she pulls out when she needs a good laugh.

        • generic sock account

          A Pfizer keychain, maybe?

    • sugarplumfairy

      His apologies were most likely orchestrated by some poor PR schmuck who had the misfortune of accepting that particular job.. So, he was probably, once again, acting on the biggest being’s directives..

      • Dale A.

        I think you are right.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      unfortunately i believe as you do, he will NEVER leave it, unless something really really bad happens (i.e. miscavige is charged and taken away!)… as i’ve said for a long time now, even if only 10% of the stories were true and even if only 10% of this stuff had got thru to him, he should have left YEARS AGO! how can he speak out much less leave if his family is in too, if the leader who is doing all the abusing is his friend?!

      • Dale A.

        Yes, the real trap is his whole family being in. He seems to be responsible for the economic livelihood of an awful lot of people.

        • ze moo

          If TC is paying for all of this entourage, he can dictate what happens.

    • villagedianne

      We may never know if Cruise was acting independently. Possibly he was obeying his other masters in the film industry, who didn’t want to see their asset become devalued. I’d be curious to know Miscavige’s reaction to Tom’s backpedaling. Did he see the necessity of it, or did he see Cruise slipping from his control. Somewhere I read that Miscavige gave Cruise sort of permission to just do what he does best, be a movie star. That would imply that public reaction made Miscavige realize that Cruise wasn’t so hot as a spokesperson for the cult. We know that at first Miscavige admired the way Cruise did not “back down” in the Matt Laurer interview. It’s kind of like when Miscavige thought Battlefield Earth was the greatest movie ever made until the reviews came in.

      • Dale A.

        Yes, I agree, especially with the “we may never know” part. Their choices make so little sense to someone who earns their living in the real world, that whatever interpretation one brings, it’s probably wrong.

  • rom661

    As I’m finishing up taxes I couldn’t help but wonder….. Why would Hubbard choose a term for the main activity in his pseudo science pseudo religion that had such negative connotations related to the IRS. Perhaps he hadn’t had IRS engrams yet. Or maybe I need another cup of coffee. That’s it. I roasted the beans last night, a nice Guatemalan….. Hope everyone enjoys their Sunday, It’s beautiful here in Kansas City. .

    • sumertin

      That word was selected before Hubbard knew he had a “hit” on his hands, long before he could foresee any entanglements with the IRS.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Mission:Impossible – the Boycott 🙂

    Here are some Facebook banners for you.

    TICK TOCK, Tommy
    Big Beings DON”T hide.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      the thing is if ONLY the simple fact that cruise allowed other members of his “church” to work on his cars, houses, airplane hangars, etcetera was true, that in itself is enough that he should be made to answer for it! even the most clueless self absorbed person famous movie star or not would and should and does inherently KNOW this is ethically and morally wrong and would have not “gone along with it!” no matter what! (i.e.. “it’s okay tom, they want to do this for you!”)

  • Silence of the Clams

    Hey Tony,

    How about a count down for those of us that didn’t get to the premiere or weren’t able to see it in a theatre? I’ve got my own count down going on my chalkboard in my kitchen.

    I hope this week goes fast.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Here’s mine for ya 🙂
      It will adjust for whatever time zone you are in

      http://gifcountdown.com/america-new_york/1427652000/121212/0d0d0d/a8a8a8/fafafa/afc4fa/true/counter.gif

      • shasha40

        * bows to you * 🙂

      • MaxSpaceman

        Pan, dear- you are just too too ~ 🙂

    • Rasha

      I have my own countdown, though not as accurate. I figure, at an average of 115,200 heartbeats per day, for 8 days, that’s roughly 921,600 heartbeats until Going Clear…..

      …actually, as the day approaches, it’s probably more like 1,500,047…..

  • rom661

    I know this is a small gesture, and one that some Bunkerites wouldn’t be comfortable doing for understandable reasons, but I am putting regular plugs on my Facebook page for the airing of Going Clear on HBO. I linked to the review noted below for this week’s mention.

  • NOLAGirl

    I told y’all I would do it, and I meant it. Welcome to my TV Alex Gibney. May you remain there for months and months and months. 😀 (F5)

    • KNMF

      So many will watch the doc, so many times. It’s headed for ubiquity.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Yay.

      • NOLAGirl

        NOLAHubby just shakes his head and laughs, while I’m photographing the TV with every device I have. LOL I’m lucky he sees me as passionate and not crazy as fuck. 🙂

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Now that I signed up for HBO, I need to figure out how to record. I am not at TV watcher so I can hardly even turn it on, but I need to train up for next Sunday’s party! So this will be training week.

      • NOLAGirl

        I promise you it is easy to do. If you need help, call your provider and they will always help you. ; )

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Well, my young adult daughter is coming over to watch it, and I am counting on her and her boyfriend for tech support. Mr. Free is pretty good with TV but he will be out of town. I already saw the show in the theater with him! This will be my third time. I have a couple of people from my book club, one from my church, a Bunkeroo, my daughter and her boyfriend… Should be fun! Worth the $15 per month and I can cancel after the show…

          • NOLAGirl

            That’s great! Sounds like it’s going to be a fun night. I will be home watching in one room while the boys are watching basketball at the other end of the house. LOL I want peace to watch it for the first time. 🙂

            I am so excited. Only 7 more days!!! *happydance*

  • Richard

    Dave and Tom

    “Tom dear, will you take off my hat please. Thankyou.

    Tom dear, will you take off my jacket and ribbons please. Thankyou.

    Tom dear, will you take off my trousers please. Thankyou.

    Oh and Tom dear, don’t let me catch you wearing my clothes ever again.”

    • Tracy Schmitz

      jump tom! how high sir?! for as high and as long as i say! yes sir all for you and the cause!

  • Chee Chalker

    Scientology: Good enough for Tom Cruise

  • Since Lil Tommy is taller than Lil Davey, I wonder how he feels being COB’s little bitch. I’m guessing a good deal of all this stuff will filter back to people in Hollywood who don’t give a damn if “Tom” likes them or not and won’t hesitate to tell him what’s on their mind.

    • MaxSpaceman

      and that will change everything for Thomm. With MI-5 coming out, he’s going to have some kind of crucible to face.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        he’ll only do the late night kiss butt talk shows and then ignore all press and reporters out in public and on the red carpet for even DARING to ask him about it! of course that is If IF they do have the guts to ask him about it in the first place! remember we are talking about 21st century ahem “journalism” and “entertainment” reporters! the fact is these questions should have been asked of him and him made to answer to them YEARS AND YEARS AGO!….anyway, he’ll be heavily heavily manuevered on the red carpet, anyone throwing a question about it, he’ll ignore them and walk away or no comment or at the very most “haven’t seen it,it’s all lies” throw away comment.

        • One Human

          he would have tons of sec checks to worry about and pay for the privilege of.

      • ze moo

        The only thing that will pierce TC’s bubble is a poor showing for MI5. I do think a determined boycott of MI5 will be the only thing that gets though to the Hollywood casting directors and producers. Who cares what TC thinks or does? It’s the power brokers that matter.

    • Chee Chalker

      I agree…..IMO, even if you ignore the whole Co$ angle, Tom Cruise is an aging star……he has not had a significant box office smash outside of the MI series (which have to end at some point……no one wants to see a 65 year old Tom Cruise action hero……he’s no Sean Connery).
      Tom can only coast off his past successes for so long. What’s that old saying ‘you’re only as successful as your last hit’ (the ‘what have you done for us lately’ syndrome).
      Once Hollywood smells a weakness, sees the blood in the water, Cruise is done. I hope MR. Cruise SIR has non-Co$ PR advice, because after March 29th, he’s going to need it

      • Matt in Atlanta

        Interesting points. There is a time when one must face the fact age will change the public;s perception of you as an actor. In this great play called life I wonder what Mr.Cuise will do once the scripts no longer are in need of his services.

        Tom is a wealthy man. Tom could do great deeds if he chose too. The question is which path will he choose? That of the scientologist or that which will be of true benefit to his fellowman?

    • Tracy Schmitz

      his little bitch alright! anyone and everyone whether you knew ANYTHING about scientology, miscavige or not? show them that medal of valor award show! (because don’t you know it’s quite normal for religions to have events that look and act like award shows and give out medals to it’s members for anything! sarcasm overflowing!)
      the video on youtube of it is stunningly mindblowingly unbelieveable and pathetic! you have a super famous, powerful successful movie star saluting another man (no matter who he is!), waiting to be able to be allowed to stop the salute, hugging said man hard, furiously shaking hands, saying to him “thank you, thank you, thank you” and then proceeding to tell the throng about “his and their leader miscavige’ in such OVER THE TOP RIDICULOUS praise you would think GOD HIMSELF was on stage! AND THAT scientology by way of miscavige had given him the ability to fly, x-ray vision, and other superpowers!

      like i said ANYONE and EVERYONE seeing this video would be rightfully speechless whether you knew anything about this cult or miscavige..and cruise thinks and thought this was quite normal and rightful attitude and behavior? really? REALLY?

      • Tom was looking for a father figure – apparently his family situation sucked – and he picked an evil midget. How smart is that?

  • Chee Chalker

    How cute……COB was jealous of Penelope Cruz! She was Tom’s newest, shiniest toy and Dave was jealous. But that’s OK, as Dave pointed out, he had nicer toys than Tom, so he won.

    I can just see Katie Holmes, a la Princess Diana……….”there were three of us in this marriage……so, it was a bit crowded”

  • I am wondering if Cruise will watch the HBO special (or already has) and what it would take for him to reevaluate.

    My prediction is learning about cult mind control tactics of other organizations and situations like how pimps work, ISIS, Moonies. the science of social psychology is very well defined and very easy to understand.

    Since my 25th anniversary edition of Combating Cult Mind Control will soon be out, it will be very interesting to see how much impact it has with ex- Scientologists and people still identified in any way with Hubbard.

    I am personally very excited to watch the HBO doc and have been in touch with Spanky Taylor who read my original edition of CCMC and who has expressed the movie and my new book is a unique opportunity for everyone to learn about cult mind control and how to recover from it.

    I can’t wait to read Tony Ortega’s book about Paulette Cooper too. Wish it was out already!

    Steve Hassan

    • Dale A.

      Yes, it’s easy to understand. (And helpful to me in many ways.) But isn’t it the case that what effectively mattered for you was a car accident and an intervention, not reading a book?

    • sumertin

      I’d bet the farm that he’s seen it. This is the crisis of his life. I’d think worrying about entheta is beneath a big being like TC.

    • PoisonIvyHerself

      I’ve always said and I still say that Tom likely won’t ever break with Scientology unless he gets such a bad blow in his box office returns or in the media that the non-Scilons around him will be able to convince him that he’s on the way to losing his career. He’s not losing his career; he’s still at the top of his earning potential because of the cut he takes as a producer of his own film and because of his huge popularity in Asia, where all action films do well and action films with a franchise or stars clean up. Tom cleans up in Asia and overseas. And now that studios are doing day and date (or nearly day and date) releasing overseas, that’s only going to increase.

      However, his popularity has dropped significantly in the US and most other western nations (France, Germany, & environs) since his exploits and failures of the last years. We know this from the performance of his last film Edge of Tomorrow with Emily Blunt which actually was a very good action/sci fi film but did poorly here & in parts of Europe (but hit big in Asia.)

      SO – I’m not going to predict, but I will guess if MI5 doesn’t blow the box office away – it if fizzles here and/or overseas, he’s going to have to have some very serious “Come to Xenu” chats with his body thetans.

      I’m still guessing that whether or not Tom likes to think of himself as the #2 Scientologist, his whole identity revolves around Hollywood, being a movies star, and now being a mega movie producer as well. He can go to work every day in Hollywood on his big budget films and get treated with respect and like a professional and I think he feeds off of this. In fact, those who work directly with him genuinely like him, like his work ethic – and as long as he keeps his mouth shut about CO$, he gets along well with them.

      If his entire identity as “movie star/mogul” is put at serious jeopardy because of his association with CO$, I predict he will be consulting a crisis consultant on how to best remove himself publicly from that association. Because if it comes down to actually having the mortal choice between Movie Star and Scientologist, he’s going to have to pick the first.

      • CobGatYour$$

        Poison, don’t you think they ( scions) have so much wierd shit is his confessionals, that he knows, and that they could release that information about him to the public? The information that they could release then would make him a laughingstock at best, and devalue his movie star status everywhere. Because of what they have on him, is the reason he can never leave is what I think.

      • sumertin

        That’s a very good analysis PI, and I’m guessing the crisis consultants have already been hired. My prediction is that he tries to play it both ways for as long as he can, publicly distancing himself from CoS as best he can while assuring DM of his continued loyalty – hoping to convince DM that this strategy will benefit them both. But it won’t. In a time of such serious crisis for the church, “Ambassador Cruise” will be called upon for something, or he’ll expected to appear at a major church event, and a choice will have to be made. And given how DeVocht, Brosseau and others claim TC worships DM like a god, it’s hard to envision a defection.

        And it’s not even as simple as choosing between movie star & Scientologist. Tom has a lot to answer for. This film absolutely hammers him. The Nazanin Boniadi story, wiretapping Nicole, coercing his kids… Tom is in deep shit.

        And he can’t pull the “I still believe in LRH technology but I acknowledge there are problems with church management,” which is the line I expect most scion celebs to resort to. “Church Management” is Tom’s best friend, best man, and deity – who happens to be a ruthless, sadistic sociopath guilty of all sorts of felonies. I don’t know what good options Tom has.

        I’d love to hear what Mike or Marty think about it. They know the man personally, I don’t.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          And Room 101 has the story about TC making his sister cut off ties with her daughter Jamie Lesavoiy, Tom’s niece, after the niece was found making out with a boy.

      • KNMF

        Will paranoia begin to eat away at him, and will it affect his decision making? Everybody in Hollywood will see this documentary. Every co-star, every supporting actor. In every room Cruise enters there will be folks who know his complicity in the cult’s oppression and of his strange relationship with Miscavige.
        Will he still have the undue respect of interviewers, or will he finally have to field tough, specific questions?

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Steve Hassan, thank you for commenting here. I am using your approach (hence my name) with a family member who has been in the Sea Org 40 years. We have consulted with one of your therapists who has been very helpful. I wish I could say my family member is on the way out, but in fact he seems to have been beaten into submission (emotionally) after years of humiliation and regarding treatment in the Hole, and has become increasingly fundamentalist. A true believer in DM. Thanks to your approach, the rest of the family has been able to maintain contact and strengthen our familial bonds with him – but he is no closer to leaving…

  • Kristin Rawls

    My hope is that Tom will become so desperate for work that he ends up playing a character who, like, goes to psychotherapy and gets better. Or… Or gets a mental illness treated successfully in a psychiatric hospital.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      amazing in a sad unbelieveable way isn’t it? it’s almost like we have to pray that something happens physically to t.c. and for him to realize the cult won’t cure him, he wakes up FINALLY and gets better due to actual PROFESSIONAL medical intervention and sees the errors of his ways! either that, or he goes bankrupt or something along these lines of miscavige is charged and hauled away for him to have a clue!

      • Kristin Rawls

        Ah, well, sure, I was being sarcastic, but yes, some honest treatment is probably in order. I just meant it would feel personally satisfying if he ended up playing a character in a movie whose life is salvaged by psychiatry because he would view it as humiliating. I really don’t expect him to reevaluate ever. He’s a true believer.

        Honestly, the movie thing is something I’ve wondered about for a while. Michelle Stafford’s General Hospital character has received successful treatment in a psychiatric facility. Erika Christensen’s Parenthood character got marriage counseling. Can they get in trouble for taking roles that don’t spout the Scientology line on psychiatry?

        But regarding Cruise: Hasn’t the Church been fairly tone-deaf about how his shenanigans have played out in the public in recent years? Does anyone expect this to change after the movie? I have a feeling it will just fuel the “I’m a persecuted Scientologist and everyone is a BIGOT!” narrative for Tom.

        • MaxSpaceman

          No. The work pays for the $60,000+ to do L10, L11, L12, “The Ls.”

          • Kristin Rawls

            True. So do they have internal battles about it? “I AM BETRAYING THE CHURCH BY GOING TO THERAPY ON TV!” Eh… I hope they do. I’ve never been a Scientologist, but I have had experience with coercive religion (I think that’s why I obsessively follow Scientology — it’s a way of dealing with coercive religious practices that doesn’t hit too close to home.). In any case, what is cult membership if not expending all your energy on internal battles that ABSOLUTELY NO ONE ON THE OUTSIDE views as a big deal or a problem?

            • MaxSpaceman

              Nope- they don’t. They *must* follow the Rules of the Game.

            • ze moo

              Paying jobs that result in a cut going to $cientology are ok. As long as Miscavage gets his cut, pretty much anything is on the table.

  • ShoopZ

    8 days and counting! (refresh)

  • flyonthewall

    You know you fuct up don’t you Tom? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2v-8ctq5x4

  • Kim O’Brien

    Tom Cruise will be Dennis Quaid soon enough .

    • generic sock account

      And Randy Quaid soon after that.

      • sugarplumfairy

        I vote that best comment so far today..

        • generic sock account

          You are sweet.

  • ze moo

    Well said, Tom DeVocht. Cruise is the #1 clebutard in the ranks of clamdom. We will have to see if any of the talk show hosts or red carpet interviewers ask any $cieno questions. Given some of the leaks about the Sea Ogres being unhappy with the ‘greatest hero of $cienology’, I do hope for more ‘WTF’ moments that cause more clams to escape the chowder.

    I doubt that Travolta will ever break with the clampire, his beard, I mean wife seems to be deeply ensconced in a $cieno social circle. But then, we don’t know what her ‘ruin’ is or how near she is to her ‘WTF’ moment. Does he fear release of his pc folder info? Perhaps not, threats made, but never carried out lose their immediacy. Also, I think that JT knows that any attack on him will be the ‘I am rubber, you are glue’ moment that really shakes the clam kelp beds. I do have to wonder if any of the ‘masseusegate’ tabloid stories were leaked by the $cienos, just to put some fear into JT.

    I don’t care about any other clam clebutards, Kristie Ally and the ever eloquent Danny Masterson are too c list to care about. All the rest try to fly under the radar and avoid any clear connection to the clampire. Not exactly ‘confront’, but then Miscavage really can’t threaten the clebutard cash flow, can he?

    • MaxSpaceman

      At photo ops, or on the red carpets: “Tom, Tom: were you aware of allegations that your own church was tapping your phones during your marriage to Nicole? “

      • Tracy Schmitz

        T.C.=ignores and walks away and publicist and bodyguards rush out to chastise reporter for DARING to leave “the script” and DARING to ask such a question…..

        • Juicer77

          All of which makes the top story on Entertainment Tonight

          • MaxSpaceman

            And who takes the hit? The spokeshole ? F5 | refresh

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Seriously! Someone needs to grow a set, ask a tough question and then be the internet meme of the week. Come on, you young, aspiring reports hit Cruise with some tough questions!

    • One Human

      JT also credited C of S helping him deal with the loss of Jett, in all truth, they kept minders with him around the clock for a few years.
      my opinion is that they feared him beginning to doubt the choices he had made with regards to the care of his son.

      • The first time that John Travolta and Kelly Preston said that Scientology helped them cope with Jett’s death it was okay, but when one or the other would pop up every few months and say the exact same thing again (usually when COB needed a distraction in the news), it was beyond creepy.

        • One Human

          IIRC, they actually uttered the word autism after his death.

        • ze moo

          That has become JT’s ‘go to line’ ever since Jett died. Looks more like a steps A thru E kind of thing. That is about all JT ever says about clamatology.

  • One question I have: I wonder if Sherri James will see “Going Clear”? Sherri is the non-SO designer who has worked for DM for years. She is super competent in her profession and her touch can be found virtually everywhere throughout Scientology. I wonder how she is taking all this?

    • Dale A.

      The Leni Riefenstahl of the Third Reich?

      • MrsLurksALot

        More like the Hugo Boss. All the pretty things…..

        • Dale A.

          Hah! Anyway, I think some of the Leni Riefenstahls of the COS have already flown the coop.

    • Juicer77

      Ugh. Don’t think I can agree with the competent part, but if she’s being paid to follow orders I guess she’s doing a great job!

  • funnybroad

    COB

    • Observer

      He should go with it. It makes an effective disguise.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Why would anyone except a complete and thoroughgoing SP with evil purposes on the wholetrack want to smash a pie into the face of the ecclesiastical leader of the Scientology religion?

      What has this world come to when the ecclesiastical leader of ecclesiastical leaders gets no respect from raw meat wogs, the very unwashed and dead-int-the-head homo saps he is trying to salvage using Scientology’s heavily-copyrighted $360,000 plan of salvation?

      Even the Burger King shows great piety for COB but not the funnybroad on the street.

      https://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/burger-king.png

  • Observer

    Where’s Captain Miscavige? A Bunker Game.

    The RenFest didn’t turn out so well for Captain Miscavige so, still walking funny, he decided to utilize his Big Being powers and skip ahead on the time track. He lost control of his skippngness, however, and ended up on a backwater moon where the entire population was crammed into two small domes. Can you find him? Wally’s there, too. Captain Miscavige is starting to suspect Wally works for Big Pharma and is out to shoot him full of psych drugs.

    I hope this works–you never can tell what Disqus will do with big images.

    refresh

    .

    • Miss Tia

      is that him smiling? it doesn’t look like him, though it has to be…..i don’t want to give it away for others….

      • generic sock account

        I think one of them is Jorm Tromalta? This is great.

        • Juicer77

          Huh? Going back to look…

    • Rasha

      Let’s see…. A theater of Thetans being forced to watch 3D movies….. a “short-bus” version of a DC-8 with jets instead of fans…. no sign of the freight locomotive, so that must be off somewhere – you know how they’re always running into ya – and everyone’s dressed for the heat of the van Allen belt…. Oh! There’s Davey! Standing in line on the left side, getting some wind from Chewie’s backside….

      What do I win??????

      • Observer

        Nope. I admit this one is rather diabolical.

        • Sherbet

          Tell me one thing: Is he on the bridge? HAHAHA

          • Rasha

            I snorted! You win 1 (one) Internetz!

          • Observer

            No, not now, not then! 😀

        • Rasha

          Got it. He’s the middle guy in yellow, jumping from the space cart JUST before it gets slammed and destroyed by the GC Meteorite.

          …and Chewie still farts on him, though it’s not depicted here…..

          • Observer

            Now that’s just wishful thinking, haha! I regret to inform you Chewie isn’t involved.

            • Rasha

              Hehe. Found him. (see above)

              But Chewie still farts on him!!!!! C’mon!!!!!

    • Sherbet

      This is harrrrrrd.

      • Ben Franklin

        True. still looking, and can’t find him either

        • Sherbet

          I got Wally.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Wally Cox ?

            • Sherbet

              Woops. Waldo.

            • Observer

              I did the same thing in my original post and had to go back and fix it.

            • Sherbet

              You might have shooped Wally Pope in there to throw us off.

            • Observer

              I’m diabolical, but not that diabolical. Usually.

        • Observer

          He’s getting better at tone -8.0!

          • Ben Franklin

            I see some sasquatch, thetans, pirates, and some weirdos but not the tiny captain

          • joan nieman

            Ièm off to find my lighted magnifying-glass.

      • Observer

        Possibly unhelpful hint: he lost control of his skippingness.

        • Sherbet

          Yes, that’s very unhelpful.

        • generic sock account

          That is the most unhelpful thing ever.

          • Observer

            Good. My work here is … not quite done.

        • Sherbet

          I think he skipped out of the picture.

          • Observer

            He’s there. See my slightly more helpful hint.

    • Juicer77

      Got him! Good one 🙂 I was waiting for that. Hint: open the pic in a new window (double click) it’s much clearer.

      • Rasha

        I did see the face, but without hair, I wasn’t sure.

    • i-Betty

      I’m tearing my hair out! We’re looking for a miniature REAL Miscavige face again, right? Like last time.

      • Observer

        Yes

    • Sid

      Green with lots of arms?

      • Observer

        Any confirmation or denial would be a spoiler. I cannot answer that question.

        • Sid

          Ok. Sorry I realized the game was still on. Doing this on my cell phone and it’s not one of the big screen ones so I didn’t see all the comments. I’ll keep looking. I found a few Waldos. No sign of Carmen Sandiego yet.

          • Observer

            No need to apologize. I was being mock serious.

    • Observer

      HINT: He is in a situation which is entirely appropriate for him.

      • generic sock account

        So that is him? I’m on my ipad and the resolution isn’t great. But I think I spotted him and mistook him for someone else. I’ll look on my laptop later

        • Observer

          If my first hint now makes some kind of sense to you, you probably have him.

    • i-Betty

      Got him. Man, that was hard! But also, without hair, I’m struck by how he could be mistaken for Tom Cruise. They say men end up resembling their (lap) dogs.

      • Observer

        Now that you know, my first hint makes sense, doesn’t it?

      • Ben Franklin

        How long did you search? I tried, went away, came back and still can seem to find the little SOB

        • i-Betty

          It took me at least 15 minutes because – how to put this without spoiling the fun? – no, I’m no good at subtle clues! I’m sorry!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      This looks like a perfect Scietology haven. COB for everyone’s viewing pleasure and next door, tons of costumes to shop for the next event.

    • Mrs. V.

      Found him! Wow, that was hard.

      • Observer

        He’s a wily little devil.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I do so like these. Scientology, the Puzzle. Solved. Hey, are they all watching Going Clear on those screens?

      • Observer

        Judging by the reaction I think they’re watching LRH lecture videos.

    • Graham

      Once again Waldo’s easier to find than Slappy (But then Waldo’s not had nearly as much practise at hiding) There are a lot of people pointing and laughing so I thought Slappy must be there, but no luck finding him so far 🙁

    • Observer

      HINT: Big one for those who are getting really frustrated. If you are not one of those people, collapse this post now.

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      He’s not human.

      • Found him b4 I read the hint.

      • Pete Cockerell

        Tell us something we didn’t know!

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      Great one! Took me a good 20 inutes to see it and yes !

      • NOLAGirl

        Me too!! 🙂 I fell out laughing when I found him.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Waldo and the Dainty Miss just might run into each other, no?

  • California

    A bit off-topic (but maybe not) ex-scn message board has a listing, by first names, of people who used to have a scn ” on-line page” and now no longer do: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?36609-People-who-no-longer-have-Scientologist-Online-pages

    My former friend George Wynns, the first scn’er who threatened me, is on there. He became an attorney in SF in 2012, working out of his home.

    We know that taking down the “cookie cutter page” does not mean that someone is fully out…. it may be done for several reasons and people experience many gradations of leaving scn…..

    But this might be useful for the Bunker folk.

    • Juicer77

      That’s a LONG list of names. I hope they have walked away into the bigger world.

      • At the end of 2013 I downloaded all the names on the Kristi Wachter site. It turned out to be more than 100,000 names. However there were many names more than once on the list but spelt differently each time. Things like “William Johnson” and “BIll Johnson”, but also “Katherine” and “Kathy”. Makes it hard to find names for the big list. There’s a reason people have social security numbers and Scientologists have IAS numbers. Though I don’t think the COS files are anywhere near organized… 🙂

    • Science Doc

      The index of cookie cutter web pages still shows Harvey Schmiedeke, but the link is apparently no longer active. Harvey’s page talked about his intention to keep his current body well into his 90s. That didn’t happen. He had an aortic aneurysm five or six years ago on a boat out of San Pedro. Some people did CPR on him until the coast guard got there but it made no difference. Harvey was OTVIII. Some of his family members, including a daughter we’ve seen on this blog in a flier, still have active pages. They left Harvey’s page active for over a year after he died, and they’ve still got him on the list with a dead link. How many others are bogus listings on Meet a Scientologist On-Line?

  • Jack99

    So, I hear Tom Cruise and Karin Pouw are dating, and on their second dinner and a movie date they went to see Going Clear, Cruise wearing a baseball cap and a fake mustache to not be recognized. Apparently, both swore to leave the Church and there’s even talk about a marriage after MI5 opens, with Travolta as best man. Miscavige had a fit when he heard about it, and declared all of them. And then, apparently, Kirstie Alley had a nervous breakdown, and her kids had to sing the theme of Cheers to calm her down. And, oh yeah, Travolta and Kelly Preston, that’s over, she just had electroshock treatment. Juliette Lewis has become a Hare Krishna and Nancy Cartwright believes she’s actually Bart Simpsons, for real. I mean, this is what I hear. Who knows if it’s true.

    • Rasha

      If Pouw says it’s all a lie, you can believe every word of it.

      • MaxSpaceman

        lulz

    • David E Love

      I needed a good laugh and smile before making breafast, and you have made my day – LOL 🙂

      • Jack99

        My pleasure!

    • generic sock account

      Isn’t Kirstie Alley’s entire life one big nervous breakdown?

      • David E Love

        Indeed, she does ‘look-like’ a nervous breadown, and I don’t like her anymore since she blocked me from her Twitter account. Oh’, wait, I have NOT liked her from the first time I saw her mouth open and she said ‘Narconon’ is “bla-bla-bla” … promoting the cult’s “Industry of Death” … she has a lot of blood to wash off her lumpy hands.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Like!

  • Mat Pesch

    That’s right Cruise. Miscavige wanted you as his mindless robot toy, his pretty boy bitch.

  • Observer

    I’ve gotta say it: Tom DeVocht is one handsome man.

    And omx, Mareka nailed it with Petty Little Bitch. High school girl indeed.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Tom DeVocht: he, too, like Jason B, is a man’s man and a lady’s man.

    • chukicita

      Obs, I’d really like to make this image the very first in the Big Coloring Book of Scientology’s Demise, if that’s okay with you:

      • Observer

        You may, and I am honored.

      • i-Betty

        Classic!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’d like to contribute a comic book version:

        http://i.imgur.com/hUnuLOh.jpg

  • Sidney18511

    I don’t know if any of the comment crew has posted this yet but this is one of the best movie reviews.

    http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20150320-a-scary-must-see-scientology-doc

    • MaxSpaceman

      Yes- posted last night, iirc. But so very worthy of posting every day until Sunday night, imo.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      “Hubbard constructed Scientology around a ritual known as the “audit”, which is like a conventional therapy session fused with a Catholic confession and a visit to Room 101 in Orwell’s 1984.”

      My favorite quote.

    • i-Betty

      Well worth the repost. It gets a couple of details wrong but is still one of my favourite reviews so far.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Yes my word yesterday that came to mind was outstanding. See Lawrence Wright’s twitter on the left.

    • That writer is Gleib.

  • Shelly Britt Corrias

    I haven’t had much computer time in the past few weeks and I won’t for another week or so. I am hopelessly behind on anything Scientology, except I see a LOT happening when I scan through my Facebook & Twitter feeds and that warms my heart!. If anyone’s bored this weekend and wants to write a little recap of the past few days or week, I will owe you one. Cheers and thanks to everyone for what you’re doing. I’ll be back.

    • Juicer77

      Take care, Shelly! We’ve been thinking of you and your family.

      • MaxSpaceman

        >nevermind<

    • Panopea Abrupta

      If a picture is worth a thousand words, here is the recap, Shelly

      • Rasha

        That first pic, for me, is perfect.

    • Juicer77

      Brief recap: Jason Beghe was more active in contacting Ex’s and getting them to speak out when he was first out than many knew. An old neighbor of Hubbard’s thought he was entertaining although a bit of a scoundrel – but he told a good story so who cared? We imagine various scenarios for the Fall of Miscavige, from the lonely and abandoned to downright Machiavellian. Fewer trolls here, THDNE says a Call to Arms is happening, probably as we speak, and more footbullets will ensue. The many, many (ha) LA area $cilons are calling the Arclight theater in an attempt to stop the film mid-run, and are cancelling their HBO just for spite. All of which causes unending lulz here in the Bunker. Hope that helps!

      • Shelly Britt Corrias

        You are awesome and I owe you. <3

    • MaxSpaceman

      Shanester had to put those recaps on hold for whatever reason. Those woulda been the ticket.

    • i-Betty

      Love to you and your family, Shelly. You are all in my thoughts.

  • Chee Chalker

    In addition to convincing Tom Cruise that Nicole Kidman was a SP, I wonder if Marty Rathbun encouraged a relationship with Penelope Cruz.
    ‘Tom, you’re a big being, you can have an affair because Nicole in a SP….. So your marriage to Nicole does not even exist..,.’
    That kind of thing………

  • Tracy Schmitz

    i’m waiting for ANYONE to divulge the “information’ in cruise’s audits?… even just big hints.. i mean everything else is being said (i.e. cruise knows about the abuses) so why not get it all out there for everyone to digest?

    • Observer

      That would be stooping to Miscavige’s level, and the supposedly horrible depraved SPs are far too principled. However much of an idiot dickweed Cruse is, and he’s a big one, I don’t think info obtained from him under the false pretense of privacy should be made public unless it’s part of a court proceeding.

      • Rasha

        Inside chult: We have your secrets, and will not hesitate to threaten you with them for our purposes.
        Outside chult: None of my business what you divulged. As far as I care, never happened.

        Sums it up for me. Nice “religion”.

        • Always Amazed

          I hope everyone on the edge of blowing, thinking about blowing sees your comment Rasha.

          A billion times upvote.

      • generic sock account

        That’s quite a stoop.

        • Observer

          They’d end up in China.

    • NOLAGirl

      Meh. I could care less what kinky things Cruise has “confessed” to.

      Stop supporting the abuses by your tiny, little friend Tom. As far as I’m concerned, that’s worse than anything that could possibly be in his folders.

      • Juicer77

        Second this ^^

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Plus it would probably bore us all to death!

        • NOLAGirl

          Yeah, the power the Little Furher thinks he holds with those things is getting exponentially weaker. Honestly, if Travolta is gay, I wish he would come out. Ditch the hag and be a glorious queen if you want to. I’d honestly like him better. Whatever Cruises issues are, who cares? People have recovered from worse scandals.

        • All pretty bland, except for lurid descriptions of Miscavige’s special time with his dummies . . . I’d pay good money for those Polaroids.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        Whatever is in there is probably very boring anyway. I mean very few things are going to elicite any reaction from most people other than big deal and so what I did that last week as a comment.

        • NOLAGirl

          Exactly. Are we really shocked by those sorts of things anymore? Things like the Garcia decision shock me. Some movie star being gay? Who cares? We have ALL gotten our freak on at some point in our lives. 😀

    • ze moo

      Mary Rathbun and Mike Rinder are very familar with TC’s pc folder stuff, but refuse to divulge any of it.

      • Chee Chalker

        I think Marty may have had a change of heart…..in his Today Show interview he said he felt keeping secrets (such as the wiretapping) only allowed the Co$ to further their blackmail.
        That’s not to say he will divulge what TC said in auditing, but hopefully Marty will reveal more publically. I don’t know what he mat have revealed to law enforcement, but IMO, Marty needs to tell what he knows. That alone could be the sequel to ‘Going Clear’

        • BraveBloggers

          But think what it could mean for his reputation (truly) among our community, the outside this board truly WOG world, and trustworthiness in Depos/trials/courts etc. As far as I know, correct me anyone if I’m wrong, he has hasn’t brought anything out which breaks the priest penitent bond COS says they use. If COS breaks that bond, then that is more ammo on our side of the bench, if he breaks it…ouch! He speaks of illegal activities he has participated in etc., etc., etc., and that is great and I think that helps the cause, but talking about any members personnel “confessions” would bring him liability and probably cause quite a bit of people not in the know (and potentially in the know) to side with TC and say his personal sins or w/e is simply tabloid fodder that should not be for public consumption. That could turn the tide with people sympathizing with TC as opposed to how it is now. Personally I don’t care about his sex life etc. I would rather have Marty remain true to his integrity and speak what is relevant to helping without discrediting what he has done for the movement and what he will do to further the movement. Just my worthless two cents.

          • Chee Chalker

            Yes I agree, which is why I said his comments did not necessarily imply he was going to divulge things he heard while auditing.
            I think there are a ton of things Marty can say which would help bring down the Co$. Now, whether he has already told the FBI this stuff – who knows. If he has and the FBI does not want to act on it, then maybe he releases the information to the general public.
            That might pressure the government to act.
            I’m not sure what is holding him back, though it sounds like with this recent ‘revelation’ on Marty’s part, things could get really interesting! And the Co$ is probably panicking…..

            • BraveBloggers

              I understand and I think everyone wishes that every legitimate silver bullet could be fired at once to take down this werewolf. Sadly, it’s not how investigations of alleged criminal organizations work. A drop of water can wear away stone, it simply takes time and enough water. And I believe we have both the water and time covered.

              Just remember the FBI (if indeed Marty did drop bombs) is not the omnipotent agency we all would like to believe it is. There has to be a certain amount of evidence etc., before they can take actions. The law is no different then a chess game. You must be a strategic thinker/player and even that doesn’t guarantee results sadly. I prefer to think if Marty has offered info it is being added to a cumulative folder(if you will allow the example) for when there is enough for action. A lot of $ will go into this fight and the government knows that. They’d be foolish to act without knowing they have the silver bullets to the best of their abilities. Sad but true.

            • Chee Chalker

              Oh yea, this is definitely going to be a death by a thousand cuts situation. Even if they did a raid on Int Base, how many people would leave? They would all say ‘we are here of our own free will’.
              The Co$ will fall when the govt goes after them for financial crimes (IMO) and I am sure Marty knows where a lot of those bodies are buried.

            • Ben Franklin

              What a lot of people seem to forget is that there are other former members who may know a lot of things but chose not to say anything at all. At least Rathbun is talking. There are others who have chosen to bury any secrets or damning information they may have.

            • Chee Chalker

              Hopefully ‘Going Clear’ will encourage them to speak out. That will be the film’s biggest impact, IMO!

          • ze moo

            TC would be very happy to sue anyone who divulged his pc folder stuff. Such a kerfuffle would make him a hero in Miscavage’s eyes and cause a lot of harm to the exs involved. For no reason other than my take on Tom Cruise, I brand him General Ripper from Doctor Strangelove.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

            • BraveBloggers

              Indeed

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          A thousand times no. And I thought he was talking about himself – that scientology couldn’t blackmail Him if he just told the truth.

          Anything in a scientology folder is crap. There may be a few nuggest of truth, but the rest is coerced out of you. Making up things to end the damn session already. It’s done all the time. And I’m not even talking about past life garbage. Scientology perfected the art of coercing false memories out of anyone ever in an auditing session. As far as the ethics “I am not auditing you” folders, same thing. Pure bunk. And while it’ known that this means you will be sent to ethics for “handling”, that doesn’t mean it isn’t expected to be just as private.

          That’s another major shock to scientologists when they find out. That ring of the onion layer is heavy. That’s when you finally realize your were spiritual raped and then betrayed after the fact. So no, a thousand times no.

          • Deadpool

            He actually said to paraphrase that his is doing it as an act of kindness to Tom so they don’t have much to blackmail him with. I agree completely with you Marty gained so much credibility in my eyes for not telling us what:s on tom’s auditing file.

          • Dancing Cranberry

            “spiritually raped”. Yes.

          • Chee Chalker

            I guess we have to wait and see what Marty meant and to how far he takes what he knows.
            I agree that he was speaking for himself (as far as the blackmail) but I also think he was sending a message to other ex’s or even current members……tell what you know…….once you do you are free.

            Yes, the wiretapping looked bad for Marty (because he implemented it after DM told him to) but it looked 1000 times worse for Cruise. All the media reports were ‘Tom Cruise had Nicole wiretapped’. The focus was not on Marty in those reports, other than to credit him as the source.
            So, who knows what else will happen……maybe Marty reports on more things done on behalf of MR. Cruise SIR and Marty will not be the focus of the media reports – it will be ‘Co$ did X or Y for Tom Cruise’
            Whether or not that is fair, TC will be the one to take the (public) heat.

            I expect that will be TCs defense ‘I didn’t know they were doing it…I never asked anyone to do it’. And TC might even be telling the truth, but that is one of the dangers of being a Big Being, all the degraded beings dragging you down.
            I don’t think Marty will reveal stuff that came up in auditing. I said as much in my original post. But I do disagree about the material in the folders. Even if it is untrue……..for example, let’s say TC said in session (and it was tape recorded) that he could fly and that he had once shared a night of passion with Oprah Winfrey. Even if he made the whole thing up just to get out of session, do you think TMZ or ROL is going to care that these statements were coerced? No, if they had something like on tape they would run with it and never stop. So, even if the material is worthless (as I am sure most of it is) people are going to be nervous because they don’t want to be seen as weirdos or morons.

            That’s a frightening thought (that your files will.be used against you) for anyone. But for a ‘celebrity’ it has to be a nightmare.
            So, I have to respectfully disagree with you on that part…….even if 90% of the file is made up, how would you ever prove you made it up just to end the session?

          • splog

            “I thought he was talking about himself”

            That was my thought too – if Marty comes clean about himself to the world, Miscavige has no blackmail material on Marty. Not for a second did I think Marty meant reveal other people’s personal info

      • Always Amazed

        I look at the bigger picture, it’s more about what is happening currently inside… Maybe with current people getting out? imo There are bigger plans afoot than exposing anyone’s audit files. I think until everyone is rescued off the island, people who know the most will keep a lot of info close to the vest; for reasons I may not know or understand at this moment. I want everyone to get out and speak out.

        If CoS created it, said it, wrote it… It is a lie. Take that to the bank.

    • BraveBloggers

      I think that the fact they don’t say what’s in his folder makes them…more reliable, trustworthy or other things I can’t articulate without more caffeine. There ‘s already a Freedom mag and all the horrible crap COS puts out about people who’ve left. Can you imagine what would happen if the prominent defectors told this stuff? Think how normal folks react to that Freedumb stuff. Nope, I want them to keep what they know private.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        TRUE, HOWEVER, one can’t just “dangle” the information and then NOT “spill the beans” which is exactly what devocht did in the 2 vanity fair magazine issues when HE brought up the whole matter of miscavige while with others reading and watching on video t.c. audits and laughing and talking about them and with the “he probably has alot of embarassing material” in his audits and other quotes. devocht ( if it is all true and he is to be believed entirely) seems to want to have it “both ways?”

        • BraveBloggers

          Do you mean when he was re telling an incident he witnessed DM doing?

          • Tracy Schmitz

            yes, but here’s the thing (and i’ve posted this before even addressed to mr.ortega but never got a reply) in the 2 articles devocht is the one who like i said divulged this story of miscavige reading and watching cruise’s audits late at night with shelley and others laughing and talking about them. what has always struck me as confusing, interesting and even suspect is that devocht uses the word PROBABLY? what i mean is he is quoted as saying ” cruise probably has alot of embarassing material in his audits” when he that is devocht beforehand said miscavige love to read and watch audits of the celebs especially their sex life. devocht also makes mention of miscavige “rolling his eyes and stating outloud ‘can you believe it?!” in 1 vanity fair issue and in another issue shelley “blushing and saying outloud “that’s gross”..

            if this is true, this would lead one to believe that devocht himself was there IN PERSON and SAW AND HEARD THIS with his own eyes and hears.. however, if this was all true, then why use the word “probably’ in his quote? i mean either he that is t.c. DOES or DOES NOT have embarassing material! i mean if devocht was indeed there in person, he heard and saw what they were discussing (i.e. the audit information) any adult with common sense and intelligence would know if the stuff IS embarassing or not if it was leaked and known.. so i ask “why the use of the word PROBABLY?” by using that word it almost sounds like devocht WAS NOT there in person but heard this all second hand?! i’m just saying!….

        • BraveBloggers

          I believe you are referring to (& correct me if I am wrong please – I’m never too proud to say I screwed up) when he was interviewed and stated what he says he witnessed DM doing. Bringing out personnel auditing session tapes of TC I think and showing them to others and laughing. If so…

          I don’t think that’s Tom DeVocht having it both ways. I think it’s him alleging how the ecclesiastical leader of COS is handling what COS has themselves termed priest penitent confessions. If in fact that did occur, I believe it is DeVocht giving an example of alleged abuses he witnessed. To me – it is immaterial what the confession were about. I don’t want to swim in the slime that COS is alleged to swim in as well. Does is matter if the alleged confession in question is about sexual history, infidelity or dressing up like a circus clown for kicks? I say no. It’s about exposing alleged examples of how the COS truly handles the privacy of priest penitent confessions in accordance with the dictates of the religion they are protected under.

          As far as probably having embarrassing material in confessional, I say most people probably have embarrassing items in their confessions if they have any type of religion which uses confessionals. But embarrassing is up for debate. What DM or you or I may think is embarrassing May or may not be. From what I’ve read, COS allegedly puts very human normal activity as sinful or embarrassing. Masturbation for example. We’ve heard accounts from numerous formers exs who say that was a point of ridicule for me members when most people consider it normal though not something you necessarily want discussed at Sunday super.

          My opinion is he was stating what he allegedly heard or saw in total or partial quantity as an activity not befitting the ecclesiastical head of a religion. Again, just my take. No need to take it to the bank. I respect your right to your opinion, I just personally don’t want to know. I don’t think it helps anything.

        • AnyOldName1

          Maybe b/c Tom DeVocht has “real” (aka “wog”) ethics so he won’t tell what Cruise said in an auditing session which was supposed to be between him and his “priest”?

          As to your concern about the word “probably” – it’s really not for Tom DeVocht to determine whether something would be embarrassing to Tom Cruise – only Cruise knows if it will be embarrassing. Journalists frequently use the term “potentially embarrassing” when reporting stories concerning disclosures about public individuals.

          • Tracy Schmitz

            well then devocht should have just told the story that miscavige has read t.c. audits and secretly videotaped audits and laughed about their contents, and THAT’S IT.. it is devocht himself who did the “hinting” of what they contained and what miscavige, shelley and others were reading, watching and commenting on.. he should NEVER have “hinted” at all is the point of making, if your going to hint? DON’T hint, let it all out. as for the word probably, once again, i think most people could decipher what is embarassing or not, it’s like “pornography” i think most people could say what is and what is not pornography. and once again, it’s devocht who brought up the word embarassing as well as his use of probably… i’m just saying folks…

      • MadMaxi

        IMO, it is better to keep the information quiet. One reason is to show the honorable intentions of the ex’s telling the story that a confessional should be private. Two, keeping the information private also gives DeVocht, and others a means of later revealing what was said if the fair gaming gets too bad, or even better if Tom is questioning the loyalty of DM. They can reveal an example of what was heard at those times. Then if that happens, Tom would know the confessional was broken and the stories are true, and that the witnesses were good by him by keeping that information private. Tom being a guy who values loyalty and honorable behavior (in hos manipulated and perverted way) will hopefully be touched and motivated to do the right thing and expose the cult and DMs tyranny.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          one would think at the very very least cruise would stop and think “wait i thought ONLY my auditor would know this stuff?!!!!” now not 1, not 2, not 3, but countless people do?! course he would easily turn it around in his mind, that the reason why so many people know is because they spread it amongst themselves! NOT because 1)miscavige did this and they are only spreading THAT and 2) or because individually they had access to his files…

    • splog

      Tracy, you’re never-in, right? I’ll try to describe the point of view of most exes.

      Most of us got in because we truly wanted to make a difference in the world and genuinely help people. All of us had auditing ourselves, where you learn to bare your soul in session and trust the auditor to treat the information in confidence. Those of us who trained to be auditors also for the most part took that Auditor’s Code very seriously. This isn’t a special scientology-only thing, it’s the same kind of thinking that lawyers, priests, doctors and therapists have too – that oath of confidentiality is something to take very seriously.

      It’s almost unthinkable for well-trained auditors to divulge session data in the way you suggest in your post, they are just not going to do it. I never trained as an auditor myself, but I’ve personally seen session data discussed amongst staff – by regges, OSA people, Ethics Officers. But never by the auditor or the Case Supervisor.

      I doubt Tom dV, Marty and everyone else who heard Miscavige snicker about TCs sessions will reveal in details what they heard. But they don’t need to, all they need do is make known that Miscavige did it, and for TC to hear that Miscavige did it.

      So please, rethink your post – it’s not a good idea. It’s a wicked betrayal of trust and all us critics need to take the high road on this one, we need to demonstrate that we are better than CoS.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        i understand, i’m actually NOT one of the cruise haters, i want him to wake up even if it means “tough love” has to happen to him..and no, i was never in…..

        the thing is and i’m waiting for a answer is HOW is devocht, marty and everyone supposed to make him t.c. believe them and NOT miscavige? all they have is their word it seems and coming from those who are not only not in anymore but are speaking out AND against his best bud, miscavige? i wonder has ANY of them actually tried to get a hold of cruise, meet him, talk to him? especially rathbun who did MOST of his auditing over the years?

        you mention the code of confidentiality of priests, lawyers and so on.. there is however a HUGE HUGE DIFFERENCE in regards to scientology! for instance a priest does not and would never ask YOU questions! would never ever even think to ask you questions about every aspect of your life including your sex life! and sure as heck would never write down your answers and keep them in some “private” file for all time safe keeping! there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE! AND OF COURSE IT IS BEYOND WRONG THIS WHOLE AUDITING PROCESS! the simple FACTS of auditing are wrong! and i’m sorry but anyone with common sense would “sense this” and be actually offended that their quote “religion” was even asking them these questions and doing all of this! i would be utterly weirded out and upset so much i would get up so fast dust would fly up!…

        • splog

          Tracy, you’re looking at this from the point of view as a never-in. You say you would never subject yourself to auditing, now that’s cool, it means you wouldn’t have been on the receiving end of the mind-fuck and also wouldn’t be in a position to be betrayed.

          TC was audited, Marty did audit him, and you will never have a similar experience. Your opinion of the auditing process is frankly, not relevant. TC’s opinion and Marty’s opinion is very relevant.

          Trust me on this please, Marty is not going to break that trust, and neither is Tom deVocht. Your lawyer and doctor in all probability will not break your trust either, and there really isn’t much difference between those two things. Trust is trust, and confiding in someone involves trust. Decent humans do not break that trust. Marty has had an open letter and open invite on his website to TC to talk to him at any time, and it’s been there now for what? 3,4 years? It seems that TC is oblivious, or has chosen to ignore Marty at least in public.

          Marty is going about this the right way – he’s hitting scientology where it hurts most, in their PR, and he’s doing it in such a way that he doesn’t break that trust. He doesn’t *need* to break that trust and to be quite honest we don’t need TC to say anything. CoS is going down and it’s going down regardless of what TC says, does or thinks.

          Don’t be over-eager to go the tough love route, that way will backfire and the ends never justify the means because the means *are* the end.

          • Tracy Schmitz

            well i guess we’ll just have to disagree a bit… i would never ever think of having 1 audit, much less years of it because i would inherently know that every aspect of it was wrong wrong and more wrong.. the idea that a “church/religion/faith” is asking you questions about your intimate life including your sex life? and writing your answers down for a permanent file? really? and perhaps my single solitary opinion on it doesn’t matter, but i’m pretty darn sure and safe in saying that if you ask the vast MAJORITY of those who are not in scientology (which is the vast majority of the world) and told them this is what goes on and what a audit is and the questions asked and the note taking and what not, all would be utterly shocked, stunned, weirded out, upset, unbelieving etcetera….
            if anything i would expect a religion to be of a higher standard even then a lawyer or a doctor, especially since one bases their life on their religion, especially scientologists. for me, there is a HUGE difference between confidentiality between a doctor and your physical condition and this cult and it’s auditing.

  • Matt in Atlanta

    I oh so want to see DM bunking with Warren Jeffs.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Rather see Micsavage bunking with Suge Knight.

      • Ben Franklin

        That would be the birth of Golden Era Records

        • More like Golden Shower Records . . .

    • Ben Franklin

      can you just imagine the two comparing notes and learning from each other. That would be just like two hardened criminals sharing a cell and learning each others tricks

      • Observer

        I think they’d end up in fisticuffs over who is the most ecclesiastical.

        • KNMF

          tiny fisticuffs

        • Juicer77

          No, Jeffs is tall, DM would kick him in the shins until Jeffs collared him.

    • NOLAGirl

      Jeffs: “I have 40 wives.”

      DM: “Where do you hide them all?”

      Thank you, thank you. Don’t forget to tip your bartenders. LOL 🙂

      • i-Betty

        Hur Hur 😛

        • NOLAGirl

          It’s a good sign that I’ve been able to turn my equal, seething hate for both of them into some humor. I was so happy when Warren Jeffs went to jail. I have been a long time supporter of Flora Jessop and her work. If you have time, read her book. It’s really good. She is a lot like the female exes in this fight. Mouthy, feisty and fearless. 🙂

          • i-Betty

            That’s a recommendation I can’t pass up. Thank you 🙂

            • NOLAGirl

              Titled “Church of Lies” by Flora Jessop

              Sounds familiar huh? 🙂

          • MaxSpaceman

            nGirl, just for precision’s sake, say that you’ve been able to turn your seething “contempt” for both of them into humor.

            I just don’t believe, really, it’s ever been, actually, hate. For you.

            • NOLAGirl

              Really? I appreciate that you think hate is beneath me somehow, maybe it is. I know that ‘karma-wise’ I shouldn’t hate either of them, but is there something stronger than contempt that isn’t quite hate, cause this feeling…feels a lot more harsh than contempt.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Okay. I hear you.

              I think I go to the dark side with the muthaf*#ckers, too.
              I may have been trying to tell myself that, No- I’m not hating that cursed cult’s global criminal behavior. And maybe failing at making that stick for myself. So I tried it on you. :-/

            • NOLAGirl

              Don’t feel bad Max. I think it’s ok to hate what they do. If they weren’t doing it we would give zero fucks about them, so really you’re hating actions. How about we agree to have contempt for the men and hate the actions? 🙂 Perhaps that’ll keep the Karma bus off our asses. LOL 😀

            • MaxSpaceman

              Deal!
              Whew!!
              I was getting worried there. That Karma thing’s a bitch alright. 🙂

            • Observer

              Despite. You despise them.

            • Mymy88

              Sorry to but in… please excuse me. I can’t count the number of times I used the word ‘hate’ when typing a post, but changed it because of what, I’m not sure. Political correctness? Judea – Christian tradition? Something like that, I guess.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        VWD!

      • Observer

        *looks around for tip jar*

      • Hamtaro

        Niiiice. This might be your “best ever.”

        • NOLAGirl

          Thank you. ; ) I am better at angry rants.

    • Frank Lee

      Naa, stick him with his old Scientology buddy, Charlie Manson!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Rex Fowler Yeah, Rex. He no longer as anger issues, right?

      • Matt in Atlanta

        If Rex is an example of what scientology can do to ones mind,I cannot imagine what state of mind Mr.Cruise is in!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Tom has never experienced the exquisite pressure of financial troubles like most members.

          • Mymy88

            In other words (imho), he don’t know shit!

        • And I’m Cute, Too

          Scientology: Making The Able Less Stable for over 50 years.

          • Mymy88

            Love that! LOL!

            • And I’m Cute, Too

              Thanks!

  • Frank Lee

    Ok, so who is going to come up with the Cruise Punk Puppet showing Diminutive Davey pulling the strings?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Maybe the same scientologist who made the dolls for Miscavige? I don’t have that file anymore. She also made a puppet or realistic doll for one of the whales.

      • Jo

        That’s mental, doll’s of Miscavige and one of the whales? Oh, I would love to see them, priceless comedy there.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Maybe one of our handy doxmeisters has it. Beyond bizarro.

        • Robert Eckert

          Mike Rinder, one of the most recent people to leave the Base, described how Heber is treated by Miscavige. Mike says, in part:

          “Heber bore the brunt of much of Miscavige’s ire over the years. I have seen Miscavige strike Heber on at least 10 occasions. Miscavige had dolls made in the likeness of Heber (and me). These were very elaborate reproductions that looked like ventriloquists dolls. Miscavige would make Heber sit with the doll on his lap and Miscavige would address himself to the doll instead of talking to Heber directly. This was to demonstrate the ‘fact’ that Miscavige thought Heber ‘wooden’ and ‘unresponsive.’ (Anyone who knows Heber can attest to how ridiculous this is). It is all part of Miscavige’s Joking & Degrading and constant denigration of people around him, especially those he considered were some form of threat (and Heber’s popularity with staff and public was a very real threat in Miscavige’s eyes).

          “The dolls were even flown to the UK for the IAS event where Heber endured endless cruel bullbaiting at the hands of Miscavige. I only saw Heber snap once, when after hours of Miscavige brand taunting and belittling, Miscavige squirted Heber’s face and glasses with contact lens fluid and then blew powdered coffee creamer into his face. This is the level of behavior of the so called ‘leader’ of Scientology.

          https://leavingscientology.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/heber-jentzsch/

          • Jo

            That’s shocking, not sure what to say.

          • pluvo

            This is one of the reports which is showing how David Miscavige is into tormenting …

          • Cupcakes for Breakfast

            Speechless. What a little cockroach. What a disgusting human being. What a petty little BITCH! Who act like that!? The level of cowardly, immature bullying is stomach turning. I want him in prison SO BAD!

          • Annie Jomes

            Revolting. It is always worse than you think. Always. Ugh. I am telling everyone I know , everyone on Facebook, strangers I run into, everyone, to watch “Going Clear.”

          • Ardent

            What a despicable creep. It beggars the imagination.

      • Frank Lee

        Found one! But I’m wondering how Davey’s tiny little hand could fit so far up TC’s backside!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Oi ‘ate to remind you, Davey, but you need to plan for your future, mate.
    I mean, you know, when you get your collar felt by the Old Bill, loike
    and they stick you in the pokey, you gotta fink
    ‘oo would you loike to share a cell wif’, loike.
    Cell-mates, DM, potential cell-mates.
    Oi ‘ate to, but oi gotta

    • Rasha

      All that cash, and too arrogant to realize he should be ordering SO staff to start applying for Maximum Security Prison Guard jobs stat.

    • Mymy88

      I love any movie with Michael Caine in it lol.

  • Sid

    Tom Cruise was married to Mimi Rogers, Nicole Kidman, and then Katie Holmes.

    If the heat on this wiretap thing gets to be too much he can always say he didn’t have a second wife.

    • Ella Raitch

      I think he can claim that on religious grounds

      • Sid
        • Zana

          OMG. He says he’s had 2 wives…and then when asked what happened to his 2nd wife, he says, “I never had a second wife.” And he literally lies right through his teeth and smiles. Contradicts himself. It’s stunning to watch that level of duplicity. And nobody said anything about it. People wanting a “daddy” so much that they were willing to ignore the fact that this “daddy” was an out-and-out liar about something so simple and check-able that it requires “stop-think” to go along with it.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      falling off chair. I need to throw a mattress down by my desk chair if this keeps up.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Okay, that got me really laughing for the first time today. I made the mistake of first listening to Mareka’s interview (yes I am a bit late) and finding out that her grandma killed herself after being disconnected form all her kids, and mark didn’t find out until after she left the “church.”

      • Sid

        Sometimes we need a little balance.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      Dave Dastardly never even had a first wife.

  • i-Betty

    Tom DeVocht must terrify Miscavige. Yet another compelling, authoritative, charismatic ex who spent years in the inner circle (and at Miscavige’s beck and call whenever he needed a human punchbag) and who now refuses to be silenced. Rather, another powerful ex who reaches an equilibrium and is ready to move on with his life, only to suffer a new, savage round of attacks which refuels the fires for people like Tom, Tory, Karen and on.

  • Mymy88

    — OF TOPIC —

    I posted this link late last night but it was late and I was brain dead. This time I’m posting a snip. The Bunkerite who told the story brought up in this snip, was Hamtaro. You go you busy little hamster you ! lol:

    ***************** SNIP ********************************

    It’s “the talk of the town” with ex-Scientologist, Jesse Prince, posting on Facebook yesterday, “I go fishing on Tony Ortega’s Blog and I pull up these great stories.” – [EXCERPT] “After a nineteen minute wait, he came back and said it [HBO Subscription] was approved and HBO would be activated on my TV within the hour. I made an offhand remark that “yeah, I just needed it by March 29th for the new documentary” and he said “oh, the one about Scientology?” That response kind of freaked me out, so I said “how do you know about that?” He said “well, it’s kind of famous, isn’t it? All about how they use people as slaves and all these celebrities like Tom Cruise belong to it?” So I asked “who told you about that?” He said that it’s what everybody talks about at his call center; at each break and every meal time. He also told me there are over 250 people on his shift alone and that there’s three shifts a day.”

    A couple of the comments:

    Jesse Prince • 19 hours ago

    OMG! I’m making the news by talking about the news! This must be heaven! No really I am so happy so many people are coming together to expose this cult for what it is. I’ve been at it for years and I love the new crowd!

    loriisfree Jesse Prince • 19 hours ago

    Jesse….it’s way past time for the rest of us to truly come together and expose them! I want to personally say…. THANK YOU for your bravery in standing up and exposing them when the people were few and far between to have your back! In fact… .Thank EVERYONE who are now speaking out. The TRUTH shall no longer be silenced!

    *********** END SNIP ******************

    http://www.examiner.com/article/hbo-going-clear-documentary-unites-voices-against-scientology

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I am enjoying the hell out of each and every Ex’s comments about what they are experiencing this month. It does my heart good.

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      Awesome!

    • Ardent

      Terrific! I love the thought of all those folks ‘nattering’ about the cult!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Seems a couple of days ago we had someone who said the same thing at the HBO, call center. Maybe they’ll be up for getting Gibney, to write a sequel. Wouldn’t be the first time they’ve come up with a second part to a documentary. Too be honest usually the second ones aren’t that good but..Also, I wonder how many clams are calling in to cancel their HBO?

      • Mymy88

        Todd, you mean other than Hamtaro?

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I can’t remember who it was. Maybe it was.

  • Guest

    And Awaaaaaaay We Go! (refresh)

  • Richard

    When Scientology eventually shuts down, I wonder if, as a last money making stand, they will sell off all the celebrity’s folders to the tabloids.

    • Observer

      I wouldn’t put it past them.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hollywood would squash Miscavige like a bug. Even he is not that stoopid.

  • ShoopZ

    And Awaaaaay We Go! (refresh)

    • Sid

      Exit,,, stage left.

      • AGP’s voiceovers always remind me of Snaggle Puss.

        • Sid

          Haa. Yes.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Tony O mentions to flash back to the wonderful stories of John Brousseau. (You must, if’n yous haven’t read them.)

    What popped into mind was the query, Is the wonderful, dear, ex-scn Bunkeroo and terrific guest on Jeffrey Augustine’s Surviving Scientology, Mareka Brousseau, the wife of John ?

    If so, that would be a quintessential “power couple.”

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I think it is so.

      • MaxSpaceman

        He is a very, very lucky man.

  • NOLAGirl

    Sorry for the crappy screen-grab, but in typical form I am blocked from this Co$ account too so I can’t just copy the tweet. Yes, I am just acting up today. 🙂 (F5)

    • Mymy88

      In the South (US) they’d say ‘I’m showing out today’ (instead of acting up). LOL

      • NOLAGirl

        If you were sitting here next to me I’d have said “I’m actin’ an ass today”. 😀

    • i-Betty

      Superb! Is it still up?

      • NOLAGirl

        Yeah, they have me blocked so they don’t see it. Anyone else can though. 🙂

        • i-Betty

          Ooh, they never should have blocked you. I’m so glad they did 😀

          • NOLAGirl

            Trust me, I was asking for it. LOL That was when the mass blocking went on by Kirstie and other Co$ D-list celebs. 😀

  • 0tessa

    When comparing the two ‘Big Beings’ of the universe (Cruise and Miscavige), I think the former has some advantages above the latter.
    Both have millions, but Cruise at least earned it by making (successful) movies. He made a real product so to speak. While Miscavige gets his money by having his slaves begging for money. He has an army of beggers. They blackmail money out of the parishioners; if you don’t donate to the IAS, you won’t go further on the bridge.
    This makes Miscavige King of the Beggers. Worth a crown – of thorns.

  • It’s coming…!
    ..

    • Observer

      Love it!

      • I was too lazy to stick Miscavige’s head on, and a bowling trophy in his arm.

        • And I’m Cute, Too

          Maybe we can imagine Miscavige as the jester in the last few seconds of this little vid:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GOqM18Bhhg

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          You mean like this…?

          (Refresh!)

          • Cupcakes for Breakfast

            You people are awesome!

          • Perfect!

    • Mymy88

      Oh oh! Now I have the Raiders of the Lost Ark theme song stuck in my head. Ugh LOL. But I really do, meh.

      • Suzy

        Mymy88 me too, now….thank you for sharing the ear worm

        • Mymy88

          You are very welcome… anytime LOL. Misery loves company lol.

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    I met a lady in the park who prepped Tom physically for one of his movies and liked him.
    I made the point that any friend of D.M.’s, one of the biggest SP’s in the galaxy,
    is rather crazy and in for trouble in the future. Often called Karma.

  • Dancing Cranberry

    Slightly off topic, but here are interviews by another ex who does not get the recognition he deserves, in my opinion. Aaron Saxton (Australian, I think), was a member of the SeaOrg. What I find compelling about his interviews is how openly he speaks of his actions whilst in the SeaOrg. He does not see himself as a victim (other than having lost important years in his youth), but is absolutely unsparing in his descriptions of what he did and why he did it. He really explains the mindset of one of the monsters (he calls himself that) who participated in the vicious world of the SO. I hope he is doing well.

    https://youtu.be/AqzT8ZOD6mc?list=PL1F47836C2BC955FF

    • Mymy88

      I love this guy! (Aaron Saxton) but in this video he sure does throw Rathbun and Rinder under the bus, but this was taped long ago. I wonder what is attitude is now?

      • Dancing Cranberry

        Yes, he seems very impatient with any of their comments that paint themselves as victims. He also talks about their lavish lifestyle while still “in”. I find his brutal honesty quite compelling.

        • Mymy88

          No kidding! I thought it was one of the most amazing ex stories I’ve ever heard in terms of how good he is at describing how emotionally crippling it can be when you are in the Sea Org, and especially when you are in a promoted position.

      • Dancing Cranberry

        I’d love an update on him! On the other hand, if he is healing/is healed and is getting on with real life, I wish him well.

    • Robert Eckert

      Is this “Alanzo” or is that somebody else?

      • pluvo

        somebody else

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        That’s his name. Aaron.

        • Robert Eckert

          Alanzo is Aaron Something-Else?

      • Dancing Cranberry

        I don’t know anything about him other than his YouTube videos and some posts he made to Caliwog’s Blog a couple of years ago. His comments there are a bit harsh. However, I find that he is as hard on himself as he is on anyone else, AND he backs up his judgements with examples, so that seems fair to me.

        • Robert Eckert

          Here’s the blog from “Alanzo”: I think this is him. He used to post here quite regularly, going back to Village Voice days; still occasionally shows up here or on Das Rinderblog.

          http://www.alanzosblog.com/

          • Mymy88

            Thanks Robert. I didn’t know he had a blog.

            ETA: Oh I see, okay. Alanzo is not Aaron Saxton.

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s a good blog anyway.

          • Ben Franklin

            is Alanzo, Aaron Saxton?

            • Lurkness

              No… just posted above Alanzo is not Australian and is from Illinois.

            • Robert Eckert

              Those with better knowledge than I say no. I’m not sure anymore where I got that impression.

            • Ben Franklin

              Robert, Lurkness claried in earlier posting that Alanzo is not Aaron. Alanzo is from USA, and Aaron is from Australia

            • splog

              Alanzo’s name is Allan Stanfield

          • Lurkness

            Alanzo is from Peoria, Illinois. He was ED there back in the day. Above vid is not Alanzo.

        • Mymy88

          He is VERY ambitious. I watched a couple videos of him where he was giving a very specific and detailed run down on global plans to take $cien down. Shortly afterward, he made another video cancelling them and he said why, but either I couldn’t understand what he was saying or I forgot.

    • A note: Even if you’re absolute pants at creating videos, making YouTube playlists of your favorites, or of a theme, works and it helps people.

      (And it’s easy to find that video months later.)

    • Ben Franklin

      Aaron is a very fiery dude. I always liked his speech to his former Sea Org friends in Sydney. If someone were to depose DM within the sea org, it would be someone with a personality like Aaron

    • Kim O’Brien

      i saw this a while ago ..broke my heart . I have often wondered what happened to him and if he is healing .He found it so difficult to connect with people ..to be vulnerable and comfortable with a woman and to have a full view of himself . I am not one of those women who wants to take care of someone ..but his videos made me want to fly to Sydney and rock him back and forth , kiss his forehead , and hold his hand …i hope he is k and has love in his life . His videos really shook me up .

  • Anonymous

    The description by Tom DeVocht of the betrayal to others by Scientology Sea Org Captain David Miscavige of the intimate details of the auditing sessions of Tom Cruise is a perfect metaphor for all that is wrong with the Church of Scientology.

    It is almost impossible to imagine a more hideous situation where Captain Miscavige spends millions of dollars of parishioner’s money sending dozens of lawyers to courtrooms where those lawyers are instructed to describe Miscavige as the “ecclesiastical leader” of Scientology, while in the background that same Captain Miscavige is betraying the auditing session confessions of Tom Cruise, while he simultaneously holds Cruise up to the parishioners of the church as some sort of example of a super-Scientologist.

    This is an eye-witness report…not a speculation or rumor.

    But even still, the eye-witness report describes such incredible evil that the atrocious nature of the behavior makes it seem unbelievable, which is certainly a partial explanation for why the scam of Scientology has operated as long as it has. The conduct of Scientology leadership is so horrible and so counter to the PR that it has been allowed to continue for decades.

    The HBO “Going Clear” documentary may turn the tide for good…Miscavige needs to be held accountable, either by other still-in Scientologists or by outside authorities.

    • antibity

      Scientology culling PC folders for intimidation purposes is why scientology isn’t a religion, or at the best a bad religion. Thank God there’s only one Scientology.

    • Ben Franklin

      Speaking out is what will weaken Scientology, silence is what makes the church stronger.

    • Allie

      I think Miscavige should be held accountable by Everyone–still ins, exes, outsiders and Cruise himself.
      If Tom should ever hear about the betrayal of DM in laughing at his pc folder secrets, he should be pissed and start to question DM’s motives. How can he be a god and demonstrate such hideous behavior toward his BFF? And Travolta should be worried as well about DM if he’s sharing other Sciloonies auditing secrets. He (JT) would have reason to believe he’s being held hostage by Scn. They need to seriously be made aware of these incidents and hold DM accountable.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        I WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER UNDERSTAND how anyone much less a celeb could sit across from some auditor who they don’t even know, whose not a friend, whose not a family member and tell then anything and everything about themselves incuding their sex life, history, acts, fantasies, etcetera! i can’t even fathom doing that EVERRRRR! and i’m a “nobody”.. the idea that a travolta, cruise, alley, and other famous company could tell some auditor sitting face to face with them “yes, i’ve had sex with so and so” and “yes, i fantasized sexually about such and such and so and so on” DEFIES ALL BELIEF! IT REALLY DOES ! what they block out their sense of self, their reputations, their fame, and do this with some auditor? not to mention seeing that auditor writing this stuff down for permanent safe keeping in some file folder? really? i mean REALLY?

        • Allie

          I agree with you Tracy. This has always baffled me as well. I would never feel comfortable sharing personal details with anyone. I wasn’t raised Catholic so I was glad I never had to go to confession. That never made sense to me either. I just had to live with my sins rather than confess them to someone else.

          • Tracy Schmitz

            and i WAS raised catholic, although i’m no longer practicing.. the thing is from the time i was young to a grown adult what was confession like for me? me sitting or kneeling in a dark confessional booth the only light coming from the light in the adjoined booth where the priest was sitting and he and i together but separated and obscured by a grainy paine glass window where i could barely make out the priest and likewise him to me, unless he could remember everyone’s voice i doubt he knew me from the many many other women in the church.. confessing ONLY what i wanted to, and ONLY what i thought was a sin and i felt bad about. and what were those confessions?

            simple stuff like ” i stole some grapes from the grocery store, to i thought about cheating on a test and then into womanhood i was angry at my mother for disagreeing with me, i was so angry while driving i used profanity yelling at another driver.. AND THAT IS IT! the idea that i would tell ANYONE much less someone from my “religion” everything and anything including my sex life, thoughts, fantasies, actions DEFIES ALL BELIEF AND COMMON SENSE AND DECENCY! the idea that in scientology you are face to face with some auditor, THEY ARE ASKING YOU questions, NOT the other way around, and asking you such questions and writing what you say down for “safe keeping”? even as a catholic or former catholic used to “confessionals” i would be so UTTERLY WEIRDED OUT, AND SHOCKED that is was my “religion” asking me this stuff, that the very very first time i went thru a scientology audit, i would get up and run out of the building so fast and never to return ever again!!…

        • The victims of the mind-fuck perpetrated by the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology are conditioned to feel good (and to only feel good) when they achieve a “floating needle” in the “auditing” process. What they’re doing is that they’re stopping to feel bad about a memory by remembering again and again. That’s the idea, anyway.

          While talking about memories that trouble you is a recognised way to progress in therapy (even if the flavour used in Dianetics was rejected by Freudians by the time Hubbard picked it up – check out “transference”), it’s essential to the point that many ex-members talk about inventing bad memories.

          Additionally, much “auditing” isn’t actually intended to be beneficial, but intended to find bad things that the clam has done (this includes thinking about bad things) – this is called “security checks.” Check out the “JoBurg security check” (1) if you want to see the range and scope of questions that the clam has to answer and feel good about their answers (so as to get a floating needle).

          The point I’m trying to make is that while confession is offered, even encouraged, in – say – that catholic church, in $cientology it is a cornerstone of the religious activity (the “auditing” that the clams pay dearly for). Conversely, if a clam has a problem, any problem, the Co$ insists on getting the clam into auditing and find something, ANYTHING, to which to confess in order to make the source of the unhappiness go away.

          So, confession is supposed to cure everything, in $cientology. It’s a feature, not a bug, and the celebrities don’t know any better than to try to benefit from it (since there is no other way to advance in $cientology).

          Check out chapter 2 of “Closing Minds: How Scientology’s “Ethics Technology” is Used to Control Their Members” by Jefferson Hawkins for a more in-depth explanation of how clams actually are required to think about guilt (“overts” and so on) – it’s actually entirely different from how regular religions view these things.

          (1) http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/joburg.htm

          EDIT : OK, hunting down the ghost of space aliens in OT auditing is another important element, and definitely on the cards for the higher-ups, but there are extensive security checks before each OT level and repeated mandatory security checks for all OTs

  • nottrue

    Here’s what happens to you if you are caught reading The Underground Bunker on the Freewinds…

    • Ben Franklin

      Is this synchronized sanding?

  • Jgg2012

    The problem with Scientology is that it is too much a one person religion, glorifying LRH and then, after he died, Miscavige. Everything is Miscavige likes this and he likes that, and Tom is obsessed with him. Tom is not obsessed with Dianetics (as far as I know) or auditing or the conditions of people in the Sea Org.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    I’m feeding the 5,000 here, so a tad late w the reminder.

    Inflict the death of a thousand cuts here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    • i-Betty

      I love the ‘SPs and Bunkerites Enturbulate’ picture, Pan 🙂

  • BraveBloggers

    Anyone able to help a lazy (and if it helps my case – severely sinus infected) member who needs the voting link for the Wounded Warriors/Humane Society please?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I needed help with this the other day myself:

      http://www.milner.com/jumpstart/jumpstart-tampa

      • BraveBloggers

        Much thanks

      • Ben Franklin

        I have voted everyday, for some reason the site won’t let me vote today

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          You need to wait 24 hours since your last vote. Maybe you need to wait a little longer today.

          • Ardent

            Yes, I fell into that category. I’ll try later.

        • Graham

          I’ve just voted, but I notice it seems no longer possible to see the results (?) Perhaps they want people to vote ‘blind’ without knowing who’s ahead in the race??

      • BraveBloggers

        Ty so much. Voted.

    • Suzy

      Voted

  • Suzy

    Oh yucky, what is the reference that goes with this photo? What year?

    • NOLAGirl

      I found it on Google a long time ago, not sure where it originates from, but it is the gift that keeps on giving when Co$ is tweet/blathering about how people should live their lives. 🙂

      • Suzy

        It delightfully slimy. Thank you,

    • The reference is shoop, sorry.

      • NOLAGirl

        So it’s not a real pic?

        • Ben Franklin

          No. that guy is too tall

      • Ben Franklin

        who is the lady?

        • Lou’s face stuck on someone else’s head.

          • Here’s the Lou (flipped) & Dave source:

            • NOLAGirl

              Never knew that RM, thank you. I guess the hair should have given it away, but I thought the airplane pic was from a different time period than the race pics. Ah well, I’ve had fun poking the Co$ twitter accounts with it. 🙂

            • MaxSpaceman

              That’s the racing event. Cruize was with him iirc. And it was Cruize’s Jet they rode home in.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              yep, miscavige tagging along with tom and katie at some racing event.. quite normal for anyone and everyone to have as a best bud the leader of your “faith” (sarcasm overflowing!) imagine what katie was thinking!….

    • MaxSpaceman

      This is, iirc, the flight back from one of their Racing Car adventures. That’s his ‘Communicator’, Lou S.

      The only pics ever seen of Dave out and about that I’ve seen. With Thom Cruize, Lou and whomever else, walking around at some racing event. This is the flight home.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Shooped. But so… truthy.

    • ze moo

      DM looks very shitfaced.

    • nukethevolcano
  • NOLAGirl

    In case anyone missed Jeff Augustine’s post here yesterday, he has a new post at his blog about how to report Scientology to the IRS for violations of their tax exemption. He explains it much better than I can. Anyone can report, but I believe if you’re reporting from outside the U.S. you need to report crimes/abuses of the exemption happening in your country. I am sure Jeff will happily answer any questions in the comment section.

    http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/04/18/time-to-13909-the-church-of-scientology/

    • Juicer77

      We need to repost this regularly in case of newbies.

  • Mrs. V.

    Mr. V. looked over my shoulder as I was reading this article and saw the photo of the motorcycles. He rolled his eyes and asked if it was real and if they were wearing matching outfits. Then he snigger snorted.

    • TonyOrtega

      The great thing about that photo is where it came from.

      In 2005, after Tom was acting so strange (Lauer, Oprah), the LA Times set out to do a big story on the relationship between Cruise and Miscavige — they had been hearing the rumors that Miscavige was trying to turn Tom into a sort of church executive of some type.

      In order to throw the LA Times off the trail and convince them that there was no story to cover, and to convince them that Tom and Dave were just a couple of good buddies and nothing more, the church ITSELF gave this photo to the LA Times.

      It’s probably in the top four or five dumbest things Miscavige ever did.

      • Jgg2012

        Right, they have matching clothes and motorcycles. It sure looks funny.

      • lawgrrl34

        Wow! Stupid doesn’t cover that move!

      • Mrs. V.

        That just made my day. Ha! Very dumb indeed.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Wait until this photo of Dave’s Ducati emerges after Going Clear airs next Sunday:

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        “It’s probably in the top four or five dumbest things Miscavige ever did.”

        I wonder who went to the RPF for it.

      • Orglodyte

        Would love to see some top ten lists.

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Hear! Hear!

      • Tracy Schmitz

        exactly.. how ANYONE would think this photo would be seen as a “good thing” much less normal is beyond anyone with common sense and halfway intelligence! the above photo of cruise and miscavige shaking hands with confetti raining down is from the madrid opening.. led me to wonder “does cruise have to salute miscavige every time at any and all cult events?”

    • Observer

      That pic is shooped. This is the real one:

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        The gift that does, indeed, keep on giving.

        • This one is good too (AP tagged, but would an AP photographer have been allowed on site?):

        • Mymy88

          “I find it, frankly, ridiculous.” (snicker)

      • Mrs. V.

        Hahahahaaaaaa! Hahahahaaaa! Snort. Haha.

      • Sid

        Perfect!

      • Ardent

        Sid, I agree. Perfect!

      • Annie Jomes

        I snorted and laughed and kinda choked at the same time. That is hilarious.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        This captures it. All of it.

      • Ella Raitch

        Yay! Bronies!

  • cdub

    You know the one thing that’s missing in discussions of Miscavige that all the innies should take note of is his total emptiness of anything related to “the tech”.

  • i-Betty

    This was brand new to me when Once_Born linked to it yesterday in response to a comment I’d made. It may not be new to the rest of you. Anyway, I wanted to make sure it wasn’t missed.

    Once_Born’s excellent blog, “Scientology Books and Media” has an article from last November which discusses and links to a Radio 5 Live undercover investigation of UK Volunteer Ministers a year after the London 7/7 terrorist attacks. 5 Live’s investigation was called “Mind Games: Scientology verses Psychiatry” and our old friend Janet Laveau makes a lengthy appearance while she tries to defend the indefensible.

    “Scientology ‘Volunteer Minsters’ attempt to prevent victims from receiving psychological counselling [after the London 7/7 attacks], and recruit them into Scientology instead.” – and are caught on tape discussing it.

    Once_Born’s blog where the article appears: https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/mind-games-scientology-verses-psychiatry-from-bbc-radio-five-live/

    Radio 5 Live’s broadcast can be listened to here: https://soundcloud.com/scicrit/r5-live-mind-games-scientology-vs-psychiatry

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      What a great show!!! It is worth a listen to the full show. The hosts do a great job pushing back at CCHR reps, pointing out that despite the CCHR denials, the VMs at their meeting (which one of the hosts attended) said that the purpose of being at the disaster site was to keep people away from psychiatrists. CCHR says that psychs do lobotomies and meds. The host says things such as, “were you afraid that the psychs at the disaster site would lobotomize people and give them psych meds?” LOL. And when CCHR says that sometimes physical conditions underlie what appears to be a mental illness, the psychiatrist on the show says, “That’s the role of the doctor (to diagnose). That’s why we do 6 years of medical school and then countless years of specializing…”

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        And finishes up with the $ciloontoologist (ETA: sorry, can’t remember her name–splitting attention between this and England vs France!) trying to smear one of the participants by claiming that he had a criminal conviction, when he didn’t–typical chult behaviour.

        • i-Betty

          That’s Janet Laveau, head of OSA UK, Monkey. She’s appalling. Although I’d be the first to give her a hug and a cup of tea if she left the prison which holds her mind captive.

          • ScnMonkeyNuts

            Thanks i-B, I would too (but it would have to be a non–caffeinated tea in my case) It is very difficult to escape a prison whose bars you’re conditioned not to see–and as she’s head of OSA UK, her kool–aid consumption will be high, making the bars of adamantine.

            • i-Betty

              Both her sons are in, too, so the poison drips down through the generations.

              (I’m decaff, too, except for a couple of times a month when I have a double espresso or a really strong latte and just for a moment remember the glory days before the children of harsh deadlines at work and an existence purely on adrenalin and caffeine! Ahh, those were the days.)

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              We can only hope that the screams of disgust about the horrific behaviour of the chult become too difficult to ignore after the release of Going Clear, and those inside start questioning how their ‘church’ and its Diminutive Dictator operates. Living in hope here.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Yes, that was so funny!

      • April

        “…CCHR says that sometimes physical conditions underlie what appears to be a mental illness…”

        … which is why psychiatrists rule out underlying medical conditions prior to prescribing any psych meds. I had to go see a neurologist for a full workup and undergo a sleep study before my psychiatrist prescribed any meds because I was having fainting spells in addition to some depression/anxiety issues.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Yes, which the psychiatrist was trying to point out, saying that is part of their job. I am really glad that you received medical treatment April, rather than crackpot loser LRH treatment.

    • i-Betty

      A Dr. Max Pemberton is interviewed as someone else who did an undercover investigation of CCHR/Volunteer Ministers. I’ve found the article he wrote for the Telegraph (well respected Brit broadsheet) in April 2006:

      “Alien soul theory is no cure for depression”

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/alternative-medicine/3338404/Alien-soul-theory-is-no-cure-for-depression.html

      • beauty for ashes

        inspired this…F5

        • i-Betty

          Excellent, that’s really good 🙂

  • Mark

    If Tom DeVocht’s conclusion is accurate, I can see only one way out of Shortarse Miscavige’s problems with Scientology’s disastrously declining membership—cloning Tom Cruise forthwith. (Refresh while adhering strictly to the philosophy of Juche):

  • Richard

    There are three ways of getting out of the Sea Org.

    Routing-Out normally

    Not recommended. Months of sec-checking and unbearable stress with a strong possibility of never succeeding.

    Blowing

    Good idea although it can lead to the person being chased after and brought back by force.

    Expelled

    When you meet COB, just say “How’s it going today, Dave?” and you’re out, although you might have to make a stop over at the local hospital for a broken nose before starting life.

    • sumertin

      #4: Threaten to “drop the body.” Or better yet, make a fake, half-assed attempt. You’d be gone in a heartbeat and they wouldn’t even fair game you. They would want to cut all ties immediately.

    • wic

      Expelled
      call him Captain Miscavige would do it too I think?

    • Techie

      “There must be 50 ways to leave the Sea Org” (Apologies to Paul Simon).

      A “blow” is all too often the start of a long struggle with people who pretend to be your friend while trying to undermine your sanity. Some cannot gather the courage to simply walk away, others do escape but get talked into returning, many blow for a day or two then go back begging and crying to be let back in.

      If any reading this may come into contact with someone either blown, thinking of blowing, or midway through some kind of “routing out”, help them realize this: There is no legal way to restrain someone against their will. Anyone doing this or attempting it is breaking the law. It is called unlawful restraint. Many who are abused, not just Scientologists or Sea Org members, have experienced this.

      The first step if you think you may experience this is a visit to the local police. If you can get secret access to a phone you can even set up a visit and get an escort before you have left. For those with loved ones in this situation, the most powerful weapon is a pre-paid phone. The police are often willing to accompany you back to get your personal belongings.

      There is no need for struggles with Security Guards, daring runs through Griffith Park, motorcycles hidden under tarps etc. Either just calmly walk away ignoring all attempts to make you feel bad, or call the police.

      Richard, your jocular suggestion to insult the Dear Master would only result in hundreds of hours of brutal interrogation. Been there, done that.

      • Richard

        I totally agree with you but sometimes a bit of satire is necessary.

    • Draco

      As most SO members never get to meet the exalted one, you can also resort to skipping through the halls of the latest ideal morgue, chanting “davy is a psycho, davy beats his staff, davi is a wanker who sucks COHB! That should also do it.