Featured Post

HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

Share Button

Facebook

Subscribe to our e-mail list

MONIQUE RATHBUN FILES FOR SANCTIONS, SUBMITS SCIENTOLOGY LEADER’S FOUL-MOUTHED TEXTS

Scientology leader and Sea Org captain David Miscavige

Scientology leader and Sea Org captain David Miscavige


We have yet another surprising turn in Monique Rathbun’s harassment lawsuit against the Church of Scientology and its leader, David Miscavige.

Yesterday, Monique filed for sanctions against Scientology for a “pattern of intentional abuse” during the discovery process of the lawsuit. Scientology has stonewalled the process, Monique charges, because it’s trying to perpetuate a falsehood — that Miscavige is a refined character who doesn’t concern himself with such things as retaliating against critics and has had no connection to the harassment going on in Texas, where the Rathbuns live.

In order to prove that Miscavige actually micromanages Scientology’s legendary retaliation campaigns, Monique yesterday filed stunning information — text messages sent in 2007 between Miscavige and two of his top former spokesmen, Tommy Davis and Mike Rinder. In those texts, Miscavige not only comes across as obsessed with tracking a BBC journalist, John Sweeney, but berates his underlings with foul language in a way that doesn’t fit his self-professed image as a detached, ecclesiastical leader.

Monique filed her lawsuit in August after what she says were four years of harassment caused by Scientology. She was never a church member herself, but her husband, Mark “Marty” Rathbun, was once the church’s second-highest-ranking official, working directly for Miscavige. Marty defected in 2004 and then began speaking critically about his former boss with a well-read blog in 2009. That brought extraordinary attention upon the Rathbuns in the form of private investigators chasing them around the Corpus Christi area, culminating in a bizarre, 199-day siege of their home by a strange intimidation squad that called themselves “Squirrel Busters.”

Scientology has taken the surprising step of admitting to sending and financing the Squirrel Busters and also hiring the other private investigators who not only surveilled the Rathbuns in their Corpus Christi-area home but also in their new home outside San Antonio. Why is Scientology admitting to that bizarre behavior? Because Miscavige himself wants out of the lawsuit. He filed a “special appearance,” arguing that he has never done any business in Texas and should be let out of the suit on jurisdictional grounds. Since then, the Scientology entities that are defendants in the lawsuit have been working hard to take the blame for the spying and harassment on the Rathbuns while claiming that a religious leader like Miscavige would never concern himself with something as distasteful as a dispute with Scientology detractors.

For a couple of months, Monique’s legal team has been attempting to gather testimony and documents which would prove that Miscavige was untruthful when he made a sworn declaration about having no connection to Texas, and also to show that Miscavige is actually obsessed with former members and other critics of Scientology. But the church, Monique says, is unfairly keeping her from the information she’s asked for.

“She has been met with obstruction, evasion, possible spoliation of evidence, and outright perjury. The Defendants’ pattern of discovery abuse is intentional and merits sanctions to secure their compliance with the rules,” her motion says. Scientology has failed to produce even a single operational document from the years of harassment the Rathbuns have experienced — even though Scientology is a record-obsessed organization.

The motion quotes from several depositions that have been taken in the case — some of which we posted Thursday afternoon.

But the most striking new information in the new motion concerns a well-known set of events that happened in 2007. That year, BBC journalist John Sweeney came to the US to film a documentary about Scientology for the program Panorama.

Scientology took Sweeney’s project very seriously. At the time, Tommy Davis had become the church’s chief spokesman. The good-looking son of actress Anne Archer, he was in his mid-30s and competent, but excitable. Miscavige was concerned about whether Davis could handle Sweeney, so he pulled Mike Rinder out of “the Hole” — a bizarre, harsh office-prison in California where Miscavige kept several dozen executives who had fallen from favor. Rinder had long been a top executive who had run the Office of Special Affairs — Scientology’s intelligence operation, which also handled public relations. Coming straight from the prison — where he’d been living on “slop” for more than a year — Rinder appeared shockingly gaunt in Sweeney’s footage.

 
TommyMikeJohn

 
In a sworn statement filed with Monique’s motion, Rinder says he and Davis were given clear instructions — to “handle” Sweeney and sabotage his documentary while always making it look like Miscavige himself wasn’t involved.

“Tommy Davis and I were instructed to give the BBC the impression that Mr. Miscavige was far too important and busy to be concerned with the BBC. Yet, virtually every utterance we made to the BBC was dictated by Miscavige,” Rinder writes.

A year ago, Sweeney published a book about his experience making that documentary. The book, The Church of Fear: Inside the Weird World of Scientology, described Sweeney’s experiences being tailed and harassed by Rinder and Davis while he made his film. A highlight of the book was a series of electronic communications — text messages — between Rinder, Davis, and Miscavige, which Sweeney had obtained.

Now, Rinder is making public that he not only gave Sweeney those texts, but that he also supplied them to the FBI. After dealing with the Sweeney documentary, Rinder made his own escape from Scientology in London in June 2007. Some months later, in Denver, he discovered that he still had a Blackberry he used while handling the BBC project. He took out the memory card, and using a computer found on it some of the texts from that time.

In 2010 I was contacted by the FBI concerning an investigation they were conducting into the church of Scientology centered on human trafficking. At their request, I turned over everything I had concerning my communications with Miscavige. I kept a copy for myself. I subsequently made another copy and gave to John Sweeney at the BBC.

And now, he’s submitted them with his sworn declaration in Monique Rathbun’s lawsuit, and we have them below. They demonstrate quite clearly that Miscavige is far from a detached, ecclesiastical leader who doesn’t concern himself with Scientology’s well known harassment of journalists. In fact, he is seen directing every step of the operation against Sweeney at the same time that he berated and belittled his employees.

Always, however, his communications were sent under the name “Lou,” Rinder explains.

“Lou” refers to Laurisse Henley-Smith Stuckenbrock. Lou held the post of COB Communicator. Her job was to shadow Miscavige everywhere he went, filter all communications to and from him and to relay Miscavige’s instructions as if they were her own on matters where Miscavige did not want to leave a paper trail of his involvement….Laurisse attempted to keep the messages in her voice, so as to protect the record from direct Miscavige involvement. But, because of the tremendous velocity and volume and franticness with which the micro management was occurring, she sometimes slipped and referred to Miscavige in the first person…[Lou] commonly had 3 phones with her at all times. Her ‘Nextel’ for direct-connect walkie-talkie communications to anyone in the US with another ‘Nextel’ phone, her ‘Blackberry’ and Miscavige’s Blackberry. Miscavige used his Blackberry to speak to Tom Cruise and other ‘important people’ not in the Sea Org.

So here’s what transpired between Rinder, Davis, and Miscavige — for clarity, we’ve marked texts from “Lou” as “Lou/DM.”

In March 2007 Sweeney was in Clearwater, Florida interviewing a local critic who often picketed Scientology’s facilities there, a man named Shawn Lonsdale. He also interviewed a couple of ex-Scientologists. As they had been instructed, Mike Rinder and Tommy Davis were tracking Sweeney’s movements, and Tommy confronted him at his Clearwater hotel one night. Tommy then wrote up a lengthy description of that encounter. The next set of texts show Tommy and Rinder scrambling as Sweeney left Clearwater for California. The texts from “Lou” show that Miscavige kept a tight watch on every movement. (For clarity, we’ve removed subject headings and other header info, which is complete in the court filing itself. Otherwise the spelling is from the original texts. Explanatory notes in brackets are ours.)

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 18, 2007
Dear Sir I am now on Blackberry and saw the cc you sent. They are going to SFO [San Francisco] not LV [Las Vegas]. TD [Tommy Davis] is enroute now to SFO and I am going at 10pm and will know where they go. I am getting the debriefs put together and overall planning done in coordination with Bob and OSAI [Office of Special Affairs International]. ML [Much Love], Mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder

Mar 18, 2007
Why is Tommy going to SFO? Areb’t they going to say you are following them. Are you this fing nuts (beyond just sp [suppressive])? Please clarify. Please tell me he’s not on their plane!

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 18, 2007
Dear Sir He is definitely not on the same flight. He is going via Chicago to Oakland as the only available flight. There is no plan to do anything with them but to be available there in case (there may be internet chat on who they see) or they may try to go to one of the orgs there as we showed them SFO, SNC [Stevens Creek] and Gatos [Los Gatos]. If not, then it is easy to get down to LA. ML, Mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder

Mar 18, 2007
Thank you.

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder

Mar 19, 2007
Well. Anything?

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 19, 2007
Dear Sir Nothing yet. My plane just landed in SFO. They arrive at 0130. TD arrives at 0900. Wont know anything other than where theyre staying until morning. ML, Mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder

Mar 19, 2007
What are you going to do? Act like you “guessed” they were there? Or, if you understand TD acronyms, BT?

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 19, 2007
Dear Sir. I am not planning to BT. Someone is speaking to them to find out their plans and whoever they plan on talking to is likely to say something on the internet thst wld become public knowledge. And of course if they show up at an org this willbe known. No plan to contact them untll we have overt data. Will have moe data when they arrive. ML, Mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder

Mar 19, 2007
Thank you. You realize this hasd gone totally out of control and you and Tommy have created the usual out of control sit [situation] — right down to Tommy wanting to ignore everything the boss said and just say “what’s happening” (the ballroom). The boss view is that he spent 20 years doing this so others could get tech and orgs show on the rails and they did zero. And you thought the battles were the game, giving it all to him. He’s not going to do it anymore as nobody will go free and there will be no orgs. Your contribution to LrHs [L. Ron Hubbard's] birthday (a5 tommys) was to enturbulate [cause upset]. Period. He had a month to work on videos and refused it. He is you.

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 19, 2007
Dear Sir — I totally realize this and intend to deal with this so it doesnt create further enturbulation. I know we did nothing on March 13 [Hubbard's birthday] and that this is the continuing treason. The people arrived sfo and drove to Berkeley and are in on on hotel and say they plan to interview two people tomorrow but we dont know their names yet though suspect one is the woman who stirred uo the SFO Chronicle earlier about NN [Narconon] in thhe schools as she lives nearby and was on on student of Margaret Singer. We have the DAs ['Dead Agent' packs -- compromising information dug up by private investigators] on her and Singer. We will ensure the orgs are briefed on them possibly trying to come in. TD arrives at 11am and will then have the full plan in coordination with Bob who is moving forward in UK. ML, Mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder

Mar 19, 2007
Thanks. Still means nothing and I don’t know why TD [Tommy Davis] would take until 11 to get across country and why you are in sfo except if they try to ambush org (but org could have been briefed and told to chuck them) if they showed up. But that’s my dub in as you and TD just are dangerous environ and REFUSE to give specifics (like maybe there is a reason you are there?)

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 19, 2007
Dear Sir. THere were no other available flights and they had a 6hr wait In chicago. The original reason for going to sfo was to be there if we needed to confront them if needed. We did not know what their plans were. We now know they are planning to do two interviews today and catch a flight to la tomorrow morning. They have been meeting with bruce hines this morning. We are leaving people here to track their activities. The org DSAs have been briefed as well and are ready to handle them if they show up. we are going to la to prepare for them and get our complaint to the bbc prepared and coordinated with walsh and uk counsel as they are way out of line. We have a 2:45 flight. ML, Mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder

Mar 19, 2007
Tks. I hope they have all the dope on Hines. What’s so bad is none of these people know anything happening anywhere in PT in the church.

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 19, 2007
Dear Sir, we have the da ['Dead Agent' pack] on hines and will get this to sweeney as he took him in front of sfo org to shoot shots of him so hines involvement is now overtly known. Clearly they are only interested in people who have allegations to make and no actual data and this is part of his gross bias. We are in LA and now going through the transcripts of the statements made by js [John Sweeney] when he was confronted by tommy at the plant city opening and when he was interviewing shawn lonsdale. I have never seen so many overtly bigoted and biased statements made by a reporter and this is going to be his undoing. He repeatedly says “people say you are a brainwashing cult” and on a number of occasions forgets the “people say”. He is very arrogant and tries to defend lonsdale with “what you do in the bedroom is your busines and how does that make you unqualified to comment on scn?” Omitting the fact he was never a scn and that his lewd and lascivious behavior was in a public bathroom with an undercover cop. There are many other examples. We are pulling every bigoted statement he has made and putting this into a letter to the bbc as it is totally outrageous. He has tried to turn everything on its head, like saying we want to prevent them from interviewing anyone because we tell them that the few people they have dug out of the woodwork are unreliable, so therefore we are trying to stop him from reporting anything. Meanwhile any effort we make to Provide him with data is just “pr” to get him to make a promotional video. He got rattled by tommy and especially when he said he was a bigot for calling scn a cult and accusing tommy of being brainwshed and saying anything tommy or scientologists say is unreliable and doesn’t stand up as we are all brainwashed. This is the button we are going to hit heavily with the boradcasting authorities as repect of religion is the most stringent standard they have to follow. We have video footage that will make clear how outrageous he is and bob has spoken to several ppl who have been screwed by js before (including the barclay brothers (int financiers who sued him for criminal libel and won and js joked abt this with lonsdale abt how they both hv crim records). We are going to lay out exactly how to further mess up his plans on wednesday as he expects us to refuse to show him anything. But we can force him to shoot our facilities. We can also line up interviews that he will likely refuse (on principal he is saying that anything we give him is just our propaganda) and we will use that against him. If he does interview them them they will da his lines — people like lee baca [Los Angeles County Sheriff], xavier becerra [US Congressman], bill hosten (who was in the mar 13 ol video). We are getting these lined up. We are also getting melanie lekas prepared (she is the sister of the ex-scngst JS interviewed named mike henderson who can speak for the 20 other members of the family who are winning scnists.) We are putting this together at osai [Office of Special Affairs International] and will send a complete report at the end of the nite as I know you hve only been getting bits and pieces on blackberry. This is ok ML Mike

 

After a stop in the Bay Area, Sweeney made his way to Southern California, where Scientology has several major facilities. Miscavige himself arrived in town, and asked if there were places to avoid so he wouldn’t run into Sweeney. Also, he wanted to know if Rinder and Davis had managed to compromise him yet. Rinder, trying to give Miscavige good news, says that Sweeney had been roughed up by celebrities the church had arranged for him to interview.

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder, Tommy Davis

Mar 21, 2007
We are in LA now, are there any areas we should avoid? And is this guy’s body now many new (torn worn to wall) assholes?

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 21, 2007
Dear Sir. They are staying in best western hotel on sunset at sunset plaza. They definitely have many new assholes and more to come tmro as just finished today and goiing to do juliette [Lewis], cchr, david root tmro. Kirstie [Alley], anne [Archer], leah [Remini], bobby wiggins, bob adams, michael duff, megan shields all went after him today. He was repeatedly exposed as a bigot and tabloid bottomfeeder. Anne and kirstie in particular went for the jugular on his b ias. He was demolished on NN [Narconon] and didnt know how to handle the facts when confronted with them as had been relying on assertion that heroin doesnt lodge in fatty tissues. We are right now briefing CCHR ppl for tmro. They headed west on sunset from their hotel. ML, Mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder Cc: Tommy Davis

Mar 21, 2007
Thanks. The only specific you give is on Heroin in fatty tissue. Screw that. Not that it doesn’t, but people get off drugs!!!!!!!! I guess he doesn’t care about that???? Were these ass rippings on camera? What did he think when Anne [Archer] went after him for saying her son is brainwashed. Any other details you Generality infested CSMF? [cock-sucking motherfucker]

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM, Tommy Davis

Dear Sir. Every person said NN [Narconon] was saving lives and gave specific examples and made the point that this is what matters and screw his allegations. He cld not deal with this and moved onto sg else. He got flustered when anne [Archer] said he was a bigot and had accused her son [Tommy Davis] of being brainwashed. he even said that ‘some ppl say u (anne) r brainwashed’ (like allscnists are) as she was going after him and she laughed in his face and told him he had destroyed her opinion of the BBC by being a tabloid reporter and told him she knew he wld not include anything positive because he had a preplanned agenda and was a bigot. He was v upset and tried to argue with her that he isnt a bigot. Kirstie [Alley] derided him and told him he was attempting to use the same tactics as were used to spread lies and create fear in the middle of the last century abt the jews with wild and untrue allegations abt them and he was irresponsible and a bigot. He was upset by Kirstie making him look like an idiot with his qs as she overtly mocked his accent and mimicked him. He brought up OT data with them and they told him they had never heard any such thing he was talking about and that he was offensive and attempting to ridicule the relgion with stories he gets off the internet and mocked him abt his “research” and how he refuses to actually find out what scn is because he obviously doesnt want to know. Leah [Remini] disarmed him entirely as she was very polite, calling him “honey” and “darlin” and told him he shld find out what scn is bfr asking stupid qs and making himself look foolish. He asked several of them abt how much money they spent on scn and each answered in their own way that they support scn as much as they can due to forward our pgms that help ppl. He asked anne, kirstie and leah why we were afraid of critics in general and why wld david miscavige be afraid of being interviewed by the BBC. This was stuck up his ass that this was ridiculous and that cob fear’s nothing and is extremely busy and why wld he even waste his time being interviewed by a tabloid reporter and bigot like him. And that cob has better things to do and sweeney has a high opinion of himself that he wld even warrant an interview with cob [David Miscavige]. Tommy and i also both stuck up his ass that he snuck around at the opening in London and refused to be polite and you were right there and then spoketo the press and others afterwards and he blew it. That he had left ruth eckerd bythe time the event was done and you said you had 15 mins to see him. He also had the JT [John Travolta] interview stuck up his ass and then backpeddled and said he wld fly back to the US to interview him if he cld. Everything was recorded on 3 cameras of ours and he kept bringing this up as it clearly impinged on him. At one point his producer asked if we were shooting them to make our own pgm and we told him we were. That resulted in Sweeney, Sarah and the cameraman all going into the bathroom together to talk (which we have on. Video with tommy at the door asking why they are hiding in the bathroom together). Throughout the day we hammered him with the majority of the 120+ questions we had put together and he was on camera stuttering or attempting to answer them but stepping on his foot each time and was cornered into admitting that scientologists word doesnt count for anything because we are all brainwashed. Each of the guys he interviewed were eloquent and didnt back down at all and were quite dissmissive and appropriately abusive of him and pointed out his lack of objectivity and bias and bigotry. Anne told him that in all her years as a huiman rights activist fighting for the rights of freedom of thought and religion never in her life wld she have imagined that those rights would be being underminded by the bbc which is what he was doing. Tommy also nailed him for calling a sex perv like shawnm lonsdale his “friend” and joking that they both have criminal records in common and chauffering him around Cw [Clearwater, Florida] yet he sits down with anne, one of the most respected actresses in the world and academy award nominated and 20 year hman rights activist and proceeds to say the most vile and disgusting things to her and say she is brainwashed yet he befriends a sex perv criminal and treats him like a friend. He didnt know what to do with this and he had no answer for it nor did he even try to deny it. Kirstie, bobby and megan all also said that someone wld only criticize narconon or any drug rehab program if they themselves wanted people to be on drugs. Bobby got sweeney talking so much that he told bobby that he is an alcoholic and does himself abuse alcohol and that it is a problem for him. Bobby told him how narconon cld help him with that. Everyone was very rough with him but very rational and just tore up every one of his arguments and did not let him get away with anything. We hv CCHR ppl ready to rip on him and especially debunk brainwashing and jam it to him on who really does the brainwashing and how he better knock off being so cavalier in using the term because of what it actually is (torture and one of the most heinous evil things that can be done to another human being). Also juliette [Lewis] will go off on him about narconon and that she wld be dead if it wasnt for the program and how dare he criticize it. Tommy will keep up with the rest of the qs tmro and not let up on him at all. He got worn down and by the end of the day was being quite civil to michael duff, Bob Adams and Bobby Wiggins. We will be on full assault again tmro as we are getting a lot of footage to use to destroy him with as now he has articulate ppl telling him his allegations are lies and he is a bigot and giving tons of data on how scn has helped them and others and what it really is.

 

Sweeney got a tour of Scientology’s Los Angeles major complex in what was the Cedars of Lebanon Hospital (on “LRH Way”).

To: Lou/DM, Tommy Davis
From: Mike Rinder

Dear Sir. Tour of LRH Way went smoothly, packed with public. Walked thru and showed then crserooms, bookstore and bookstore system. They commented on how many ppl were there. This was opportunity to agaoin put on video that they had refused to tour flag. (Though they did say they definitely plan to go to NN Hastings) when it was stuck up their ass again abt not going to Arrowhead. David Root debunked BBC data on NN. JS v impressed by him as worked in royal airforce and commended by Queen and he says NN is best pgm he has ever seen and critics of it are pro drug. JS says he will have to go back and research his sources because he has conflicting info. Juliette [Lewis] told him he was ridiculous for alleging brainwashing and how independent she is and that NN is absolutely the solution to drugs and it handled her life. That LRH [L. Ron Hubbard] is a f…ing genius and she wants to let the world know ppl can make up their own minds. Sweeney was subdued with her. She talked abt how great Scn is. Fred Shaw told him he was a Christian minister that studies and uses Scn to help his community and how its made him saner and more able to communicate. He asked hiom whether he had met david miscavige and whether he believed the allegations that hre is a bully. Fred said he was “cool” and one of the nicest ppl he had ever met and had gone out of his way to help him. He asked him if he thought scnists are brainwashed and he said this is ridiculous and that he has studied scnand he isnt brainwashed. They saiod they have to leave and cld not interview Tommy todayand they cannot do it tmro but will do so on Sat morning and plan to leave Sat. They wld not tell us where they are going tmro and Tommy told them they cld save trouble as we cld set things up for them if they plan to going to anuy church facilities (now if they show up at Gold there will be no issue of not letting them in and will be able to say they didnt even ask for this, along with everything else. They asked 5 times when our documentary is going to be done which we no answered. They brought up again how David Miscavige has refused to be interviewed and ‘respond to allegations’ and that it must mean he is in fear. he was hammered hard on this and London and Ruth Eckerd were both stuck up his ass. He tried to argue that nothing was broadxast so it wasnt a real interview and if he had 15 mins then maybe he does now and they wld go anywhere to do it and wld the msg be relayed to hoim that thye were asking again. Tommy said he had ezplained yr schedule and other interview rqsts from thbe likes of larry king that precede sweeney’s and that cob is a man of his word and that he wld honor those requests in the order received. Tommy said he wld relay the request. Sweeney really pushed this and said he wanted to do interview and hv mr. Miscavige respond toallegations that he is a bully and has assaulted ppl and spit on them. Tommy got an inch from his face and told him if he ran this he wld suffer the consequences as these were total lies, libelous and salderous and he has known COB for 16 yrs and he is the most intelligent, kind, compassionate person and these are outright lies. Sweeney then said that then COB shld respond. I told hoim he was arrogant to think that just because he asked for an interview it wld be granted especially when he is wanting to ask abt outright and insulting lies. He tried to intimidate Tommy to call right then on camera and he laughed at him and told him to stop being childish and trying to paint a false picture when this has been explained to him many times. Tommy then exaplained in the detail yet a again exactly why cob was not available due to schedule and prior commitments and warned them that they had better not say they had been denied an interview and fail to explain exactly why. He repeated that he wanted his request passed on and I told him it wld be passed on along with our recommendations that he is an asshole. When he asks for the reponse we will tell him that we reiterate that you hv outstanding requests from other major us media and that we recommended that he be interviewed by objective journalists who are not bigots and there are plenty of them and that doesnt include Sweeney and that Tommy will be interviewed by him as a senior official of the church. The compaint ltr to the BBC is now cleared thru UK counsel. We are addng his psychotic outburst from today and sending this to UK tomorrow. We plan to demand a meeting with them and hv clips of the footage of Sweeney to show as they will not be able to ignore this. Meanwhile, Tommy will be drilled for interview so we can hit him on everything we have showed and told him and DA everything (we have a stack of docs to throw on his lap for different points tht we have not given him so he isnt prepared). This is ok. Ml. Mike

 

Sweeney heads up to the Santa Barbara area to talk to former Scientology official Jefferson Hawkins, and the church officials discuss the possibility that Sweeney might show up at the secretive international headquarters compound east of Los Angeles, near Hemet.

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 22, 2007
Dear Sir. SG is confirmed in the Bay area not STB [Santa Barbara] ml Mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder

Mar 23, 2007
Who were they seeing at STB then?

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 23, 2007
Dear sir Jeff Hawkins. Their pattern has been to see person and then fo interview the next day. They headed towards STB and then turned off and went to Van Nuys airport and goot chopper and just circled Gold [Scientology's International Base east of Los Angeles near Hemet, also known as Gold Base]. Tommy and i are enroute to gold in case they try to land out there somewhere our camera crew is ready if they show up bfr we get there with instructions to tell them to call Tommy. . They left their van at Van Nuys so hv to go back there and its enroute to STB. This morning we had ltr delivered to bosses at BBC laying out outrageous and bigoted actions of sweeney and attaching dvd clip of his psychotic break at cchr yesterday. UK counsel saw clip and its “extraordinary” and he has never seen anything like it and it alone will embarrass BBC enough that they cld abort the show just on this. We havent even told them abt his quote that BBC higher ups are overpaid morons. Uk counsel also suggested others write ltrs abt abuses so will get thgese put together. They hv lgl ltr ready to go but holding onto it until we get response to tommy,s ltr as that will cut off anyone higher up in BBC dealing with us. Ml Mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder, Cc: Tommy Davis

Mar 23, 2007
Thank you. As gone over, you need to determine how you handle it if he shows up at Gold. If you and Tommy catch him in Hemet, he may then say “let’s go to Gold”. It may be better for them to try to go to booth and do a surprise and Gold Secuirity to ask who they’ve been dealing with and when they say you, have a call put in where you and Tommy then speak to Sweeny (recorded of course, with his consent (although by now a video team woulkd be on them) toasting him for doing a “surprise” visit to yet another major Church facility after having been offered a tour a month ago. This is only what I heard him say to you. The point is to not get traoped into them saying “well, now that you are here, we’ll do a tour” and you having to say “its too late” and them then reporting yoiu “refused tlo show them and it was all a ruse”. Right now you have a record of showing them through CC, Pac, CCHR and the places they refused to go being Flag and Gold (while making demands to interview the pope). You two are to solve this. As for the documentary, you can also solve that as a documentary needs writing, editing and you name it and as for who is available, the answer is nobody as everybody doing the work does so because you, Tommy and all else won’t. You’re the ones with all the footage. Do you have it being transcribed by OSA yet? How did Bob get omitted from this cycle. Plus, you have your pals like your “friends” you have been hanging with/supporting. Solve it as he’s expecting your documentary this week — edited and ready for mising and post-prod.

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 23, 2007
Dear sir. Tku and this is exactly how it is set up. Hv booth ready to tell them to contact Tommy and then record them when we stick it up their butt abt offering tours and then declining. Will not give them a chance to get us “declining to give tour” and they do not know we are here. The transcripts are done to pt and we hv been going thru to select what we want. We will put the documentary together this week and know we have “pals” who can work on this who likewise hv been doing nothing else and cld do something constructive. Ml Mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder, Tommy Davis

And? Did they show up? As for documentary, it was senseless to explain to you how obnoxious your comm was. Who do you think puts together documentaries in the real world? An Avid Operator (like Dos) or a PR who knows his business. Even since the days of H&K with Tax videos you have known this. Your question on not knowing who was available means you’ve learned nothing and still don’t get how your force him to do everything as you have always refused to do anything except put him on the firing line or you stir up trouble (to put him on the firing line). He’s already written cO gold informing her of your comm and lack of lines to routinely produce these sort of items which obvious gets done in gold facilities, but is hardly over to a phillip or tony or whoever to write. Do you know how to do anything? Answer first q above immediately.

 

As they continue to track Sweeney, Miscavige berates them for their incompetence.

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 23, 2007
Sir. They are back at van nuys airport so looks like they drove. We are enroute b ack to la , composing e mail to go to him while enroute. Ml Mike

To: Mike Rinder
Mar 23, 2007
You blew it. And the phone call was a total waste of time. Just waiting for more orders, like you alwys dO. Tommy (APU) instant Treason all over again. No handling–just… “I couldn’t possibly handle it … ” And you have yet to provide any handling.

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder, Tommy Davis

Again, no answer. What I meant by Tommy (and you) is the Greg Wilhere stunt (also gold seal pass by you) of not handling a cycle and then “admitting” you aren’t competent and can’t handle something (so you do it). You know, the usual “your right — I just can’t do it”. Or more correctly stated — EXACTLY the opposite of what lrh [L. Ron Hubbard] SAYS and SO [Sea Org] member is. I basically wanted to vomit on that call as it reminded me of every cycle you’ve sucked him into for the past 20 years where the next thing I know, he’s having to give all the direction which will be destructively misimplemented to cause trouble. I believe this is exactly what you confessed to and is exactly what you are still doing having gained a new ally in Tommy of the people who “agree” it can’t be done and his standards just can’t be met. Terrific. And that’s the answer to the act of treason yesterday of throwing him up as a target by agreeing hed get contacted all because of tommy having a self important button that he’s a big shot. He like you have now lost any personal contact priveleges because they are used to suck him into your job. This one is incredible as you know his schedule having abandoned any responsibility for any job and working him to collapse. Now answer my comm you CICS! [counter-intentioned cocksucker]

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 23, 2007
Dear Sir. I apoplogize for not answering right away. I have drafted an email to go to him that docuiments his latest criminal act of showing up at gold and aslkin g a securityguard for an interview while we were sitting in la. And were there to faciltate him. That he is only trying to create a false story and that this whole thing is a farce of us trying to facilitate him and him refusing as it messes up his planned slam. That we were even willing to contiue to try and work with him even after his abusing the ppl we arranged for him to interview and his bizarre activities at cchr and his refusal to tour flag and arrowhead. But today went beyond the beyond and we have written to the bbc. That he can put his qs in writing. And that we wiill not waste any more time tryinng to accommodate him due to his behavior. It puts it entirely on his shoulders meanwhile I also sent a msg to get filmed interview requests done at westminster abbey and bbc hq by bob and he is lining this up. Aso getting other ltrs to bbc from those interviewed. And will cc email to sweeney to his snrs we will send email at end of nite so he has no time to try and line up someone else tmro. I know we have to hndle this and not be cics. They are now back at their hotel. Sweeney flew and sarah drove. this is ok. ml mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder

Mar 23, 2007
Thsank you. Devt. E-mail not included and sounds like a brush off. He told you that you could make this the final nail in his coffin. It appears you only plan on asserting it is (the final nauil in his coffin) as opposed to drafting a spectacular written e-mail that is escape proof. Just giving your typical “beyond the beyond” doesn’t cut it and nevr has. Its like the unoriginal OSA mantra of “nothing could be further from the truth”. It needs to be an e-mail that has him and BBC puckered as being in an untennable position. It doesn’t appear you’ve spent any time doing that. Not one specific either on how you plan on handling the treason on tommy caving in as regards the boss. And finally you have just brushed off the cycle on BBC and didn’t sway you’d even worked out the questions for BBC if they let you in. The Qs would have to be on point and even phrased like the abusive questions are by sweeny. We have no idea what he’s been asking and the “do you still beat your wife” was an example of how the questions should be phrased and not what the question would be. What question could be posed toi BBC that would be framed like Sweenys but as regards BBCs handling of this show. You just brush off everything and should instead be working out brilliants handlings that are full homework abd handle the hell out of, just like he does everytime. In essence this isw your usual wilco without a single specific. Saying you wrote an email is like saying you “handled it”. That’s why he hung up. He was the only one giving any specific linbes and ideas and you 2 were just axk axk ack and he had no ides if what je was saying was accurate as he hasn’t been there. You were more than willing for him to go on and on as long as you didn’t have to originate anything. YS! [you suck] And have him hat you on the L button as you keep taking hin off as an info. Do you realize everyone of my mssgs are longer than yours. You really are just sp [suppressive person] aren’t you? I wqaited to get this crap? I can’t even believe it. You just can’t work or do can you? YS YS YS YS YS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [you suck you suck you suck you suck you suck]

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM

Mar 23, 2007
Dear sir. I apologize. I am inept w blackberry and v slow typing and I do see year msgs are longer than mine. I am hatted on the l button. I drafted an email in the car and am now back and making it so it totally boxes him and the BBC in and is the final nail in the coffin. I will forward you a copy when finalized. One other significant datum included is that he lied as tommy called him and ssked him if he was in the chopper over gold and he said he was not and wld not say where he was. He is a liar and deceitful and this alone is justification enough to not cooperate any further and insist on written qs as he is dishonest. I told bob I wld put together qs tonite and send to him and he is also putting them together at his end as he has all transcripts and is familiar with the BBC. between us will have a list of qs that cannot be answered and are totally abusive just like sweeney’s. To begin with its why are they deliberately violating their own standards by assigning a bigot to a religion story? And when he says he isn’t a bigot list out the ppl he interrviewed that called him a bigot right to his face. We are getting this put together now so this sinks the bastard once and for all. Tommy knows the fuck up and is not dramatizing sit 5 and we are flat out competently hndlng this. This is OK ML Mike

To: Mike Rinder, Tommy Davis
From: Lou/DM

Whatever. These are just tidbits. Of course his lies are criminal. Once caught, there’s no reason to lie and he just shouldn’t be near us. The fact that he had you in LA while he went to your home (could have asked and had a tour) is a real nail. He’s now refused the tour of our spiritual HQ and Management/dissemination HQ while pulling stunts on the order of a tabloid on asking guards for interviews. He wasn’t asking tommy to contact the boss, he was just setting a record and got tommy to agree on video so he could use it. No handlings has yet appeared on that and cob knows he’s on his own and can expect nobody in the church to defend him at all and may get his own attorney to write bbc and clarify for them that neither of you two speak for him in any way shape or form. You have so far brushed this off as “we know we have to handle” and in 24 hours haven’t given a single specific. You were supposed to have bob and bill involved in this cycle and dropped both as no doubt you couldn’t care and now you are behind the a8 ball non stop at midnight east coast time. You don’t even say where he is right now getting drunk and basically did nothing all day. Maybe you have plans on how to handle but they arebkt listed here.

 

Miscavige has a side-conversation with Tommy Davis about Rinder’s shortcomings.

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder Cc: Tommy Davis

Mar 23, 2007
DID YOU GET MY MESSAGE AND ARE YOU ANSWERING???

From: Tommy Davis
To: Lou/DM, Mike Rinder

Mar 23, 2007
Yes sir. We got it and nmike is answering. I’m driving right now.

From: Lou/DM
To: Tommy Davis, Mike Rinder

Mar 23, 2007
You are answering and driving? Okay — you just gained a notch on him. He’s he passenger and you have more hands to answer. Make sure he knows what the acronym CICS [counter-intentioned cocksucker] means as that’s exactly what he’s proving by event REFUSING to answer a comm!

From: Tommy Davis
To: Lou/DM, Mike Rinder

Mar 23, 2007
Yes sir. He knows what cics means and he is getting this answer to you immediately.

From: Lou/DM
To: Tommy Davis, Mike Rinder

Mar 23, 2007
A) he’s gtng the message to me when he wants after 10 MFing nudges. B) CICS [counter-intentioned cocksucker] — the term was originated when the first DNA of a slug was scene by the first sloth.

From: Tommy Davis
To: Lou/DM Cc: Mike Rinder

Mar 23, 2007
Sir, totally got this 100%. He has now sent the answer and also saw the derivation of cics. Tommy

From: Lou/DM
To: Tommy Davis Cc: Mike Rinder

Mar 23, 2007
His answer was worthless. Not a single specific. A generality as if he’s trusted. Just “I wrote an e-mail”. Not n ounce of origination and that he has written something that boxes the guy in with no escape — not just saying to him that he’s boxed himself in. These comm cycles are just sick as are the constant false reports and no handlings except crqap acks on bbs. Glag he has the derivation of cics do you enjoy being his adopted son?

From: Tommy Davis
To: Lou/DM, Mike Rinder

Mar 23, 2007
Sir, sorry for the crap answer. We are back at osa and making sure this email totally boxes them in and has them utterly smoked and with no choice but to put sweeney out to pasture and shelf this piece. Mike is answering your last comm right now so we can remedy or crap ass answers and no origination. As far as being his adopted son. Sir, I know where I sit now as a being and I got myself here and failure to take full responsibility will only keep me here. So I’m focused on getting the job done and not having it be a flap and fixing my treasonous caving in and my total betrayal of setting up cob yesterday. I caused it so I have to fix it. I have no right to criticize mike or bitch about being where I am with him. Its up to me to be responsible for both of us and not only handle myself but M ike as well. Ml, Tommy

To: Tommy Davis
From: Lou/DM

Blah, blah, blah. See my response to mike. It is another day and nothibg habdled.

 

Miscavige continues to deride Rinder and Davis about their inability to “handle” Sweeney.

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM Cc: Tommy Davis

Mar 24, 2007
Dear Sir. Sweeney responded to email this morning saying we hv to agree to disagree and that they reiterate request for interview of COB. Hv written a response and sent to counsel that I will forward to u for info as soon as I hea back. Sweeney was on phone intensively this morning and just drove to complex where they are driving around buildings shooting from their car. They had told us they wanted to take some exterior shots. We will keep tabs on their actions. Ml mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder, Tommy Davis

(See Qs at bottom as for what part of this needs answer. Thr rest is data it is assumed you have used) This is just a no handlling. I have no idea how Sweeny can say we agree to disagree when there is nothing to disagree with. He DID go to both the Mecca and Gold [Scientology HQs in Clearwater, Florida and Hemet, California] — both unannounced and both to do lord knows what except that there is no possoble “agree to disagree” he once again has been dishonest and now bscene, going to your home while you were in LA and he refused to even tell you. That is insane. If you haven’t handled the COB aspect, then you are just screwing up. COB isn’t doing the interview and he guaranteed it by his actions. There is no agree to disagree. He was afforded every fcourtesy from the outset, including a preliminary briefing. His response has been nasty from that time. The total amount of time the briefing took was the amount he wasted since he last saw you (travelling to Gold unannounced). Yet in the time we “took” we went through a variety of humanitarian campaigns, church expansion, our international event and virtually every social betterment activity we support and are dedicated to. At that point you said, let’s work out an agenda and he’s been full time abusive since — beginning with his “surprise” arrival at our March 13th event, which he just makes nothing of even though it is the night we celebrate our Founder. He missed the JT [John Travolta] interview insisting instead of interviewing a nut. And it just continues. We told you COB wasn’t doing the interview and that if what you wanted was anything to do with Scn you would have approached him in UK where he was in plain view and greeting people as they entered the Church. COBs role is not to handle public relations and does interviews rarely, if at all. We have repeatedly reiterated that he has already promised shows to other networks as a priority and those are his committments. Since you have been on this program, you have made it clear that your intentions are not objective in the slightest and we would never recommend. COB be interviewed, let alone meet you — an opportunity you already had in both England and CW and which you did not take up. Considering the falsehoods BBC preseneted 20 years ago, considering the OBJECTIVE proof of their falsehood since (church winning case, church gaining exempt status after the most thorough invest in IRS history caused by liars their show previously presented, massive church expansion on every front and so forth) combined with his absolute refusal to even acknowledge the relevancy of these matters indicates his pure bias. He has tried to position this as “cob refuses to do bbc” when the reality is that he was provided and open door access to the church by senior church officials and has refused that access. He has known before he ever left the uk that cob would not be interviewed and that nor would tc. He was informed that short of those two rediculosu requests, he pretty much had a “panorama” of things he could do from tour Flag, Gold, Narconon HQ, APS and you name it. He refused even though all of it was access NEVER provided a network program. By way of example of the absurdity of his requests, we don’t even allow local media access to our annual FH anniversary. Yet he wanted BBC in our Founders event? He has seen our events and knows they are elaborate TV productions and any other cameras would have done nothing but distract, quite in addition to the obscene thought of John Sweeny assaulting our parishioners with his bigotted questions. The point is this: He is only pressing these requests as some sort of a tabloid “caper” he knows will be refused. The list of things he has refused are so long (and yet so big in terms of open access) its stunning.
–How come you haven’t nade it clear to him that you refuse to forward his request as Sweenys behavior is so bigotted, his conduct so irrational that you sonsider him unstable?
–Are you actually hiding out and letting him screw aroundoutside our properties such as the complex as your handling?
–Do you mean you didn’t work out a plan including any more on camera questions to drive the nail in the coffin, including his refusal to tell you where he was going to find out he helicoptered over your home, then showd up at gate (while you were in LA) all instead of doing the tour he was offered?
–He’s seen Cob in events and in person (at london) and knows exactly what he’s like when he has no thought the media is watching. If he has some allegation to make, he can tell you where it will be promptly disproven as was Panorama 20 years ago. Having that history of falsehoods from disaffecteds, the due dilligence he must take as a journalist is far higher as he now knows they lie. Cob has been accused of all manner of crap including through use of forged docs. They are well aware they’d best not believe falsehoods from bigots. I assume all these points were made?

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM, Cc: Tommy Davis

Mar 24, 2007
Dear sir. Yes, all these points hv been made repeatedly and on camera. We are enroute to PAC [Scientology's complex in Los Angeles] as they got out of their car and started filming in front of Complex. Sweeny called Tommy and sstarted leveling accusations abt ppl being held aginst their will in a dungeon in the bldng and how he wants to go in. Tommy told v forcefully that this was utter lies and total fabrication and he has no evidence and is just spreading more lies and he is not going into any of our buildings as he is a bigot and is acting insane. That we had taken him thru the building and he now trying to ppretend that didn’t happen and we are dealing with higher ups in BBC as he is a bigot and has psychotic breaks. Tommy said that there is no way he is taking him inside one of our buidlings after he had his psychotic break on wednesday. A break so outrageous two of the female presenmt ran to get help as they were sure john wld get violent. Tommy also said that sweeney is trying to manufacture a story and is a tabloid journalist. (This was all recorded on tape by Tommy as sweeney said he was recording it on camera and we had our camera fillming them too) This ws v forceful and he then said we had tried to brainwash him! He also repeated request for interview w COB and Tommy told him he had not forwarded the request and wld nvr ever forward such a request in amillion yrs and wld do everything in his power to make sure sweeney never gets anywhere near cob as he is a bigot and abusive and we hv ansrd every false allegation and will answer to any others. Sweeney ended up hanging up and then geting back into his van and driving off as I am typing this and now heading up Virgil. There is no doubt there is nothing to “agree to disagree” abt. He is creating a record that is going to sink him as he is a psychotic bigot. We do hv qs to nail him further with and if they head to any othr bldngs will be there to nail him on his behavior especially his refusal to inform us abt Gold and his continuing efforts to manufacture story llike a tabloid. Keenan is in the loop and is getting the email thru UK counsel and Walsh is working over email and am keeping him updated as this is most outrageous behavior he has ever seen and we need to create record for BBC as Sweeney isn’t going to change, but BBC higher ups need to know wjat he is doing and the liability they hv. Ml Mike

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder, Tommy Davis

Thanks. You’d better make sure security is in at those buildings. Obviously somebody is spreading more bs about the rpf [Rehabilitation Project Force, the Sea Org's prison detail] but you neeed to double ensure secuirty is tight in those buildings as they could try to send somebody in with a hidden camera which is the last thing you need. Yes, his behavior sounds insane. Are you saying he LITERALLY said you guys brainwashed him (SWEENY)? And that this statement is on camera? If so, this guy should practically be under a restraining order. He’s obviously losing it as he’s had every opportunity to do a real story and considering his expenses (we would have given him aerial footage of Gold!), his seniors are going to go balistic when they realize a trip to Flag omitted any tour inside AND THAT HE WAS OFFERED IT and his helicopter to Gold omitted any tour inside all 500 acres AND THAT HE WAS OFFERED IT! Don’t know what these on camera Qs are, but this repeated showing up unannounced is also sickening. Yes, reporters can get their reports but have you ever heard of them doing it unannounced after they’ve been given a terminal to talk to who has the keys and let’s them inside? This dungeon bit is desperation and the same crap we’ve disproven a billion times. He’s been exposed as the bigot and dishonest journalist he is.

From: Mike Rinder
To: Lou/DM, Tommy Davis

Dear Sir. Security is on red alert at PAC and CC. They are now in Griffith Pk with Tori Christman Bezzazian another total nutcase who had a restraining order against her. They film every car that goes by as Sweeney accuses us of following and spying on him which at this pt is more of his paranoia. He literally said we had tried yo brainwash him (explaining his psycho break). This was on the phone and was recorded,but as he was outisde Complex our crew was filming him so we are getting this footage to verify we have him on camera saying it. This was one of the things we were going to ask him on camera face to face, to get him to repeat his brainwashing rant as an excuse for his psychotic break as it destroys him utterly. He accuses us of brainwashing by challenging him and asking him q’s on camera that “put him under pressure” and that is exactly what he does for living! We are putting togther “greatest hits” clips for BBC execs and compiling everything we have shown, offered and made available and how they hv spent money getting crap and the same disproven crap they had in 87 and it is proven to be so. He is definitely desperate and now we hv to get this put together and have BBC shitcan him as well as our get our own documentary done. Thay hv checked out of hotel and hv flight at 945 tonite. ML Mike

 

Now “Lou” speaks generally to Rinder about his failings as a Scientologist representing Miscavige to the world. Notice when “Lou” slips and Miscavige refers to himself in the first person…

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder Cc: Tommy Davis

Mar 24, 2007
Your problem on COB is you didn’t fill the vacuum but just “da’s”. That’s due to your overts. Specifically hat dump. When you say he’s the “hardest working man you know” it sounds like a generality and slop. The fact is, and you both know it, he routinely works ardiund the clock, 36 hours at a stint, day after day. The church has been engaged in massive programs, especially since 911, and all of this has been part of a program to dramatically expand the Church and it’s effectiveness by establishing it’s programs virtually everywhere to provide as much help as possible. All churchs, and social programs they’ve seen sre since that time. More recently it has been a massive program to see to the full restoration and availability of all Mr Hubbards works (lectures and books) in all languages and due to the nature of the program (churfch scripture), it has required his undivided and intensive supervision. Similarly, to make Scn more accessible and less misunderstood and not mysterious (the very things sweeny is trying to foster), it has included the massive outreach and production of av presentations on virtually all aspects of the church and its programs – well in excess of 100 films so far and all of themtranslated in 15 languages. These things apparantly are things sweeny objects to as the church can respond to his falsehoods intended to confuse and cause prejudice by providing the accurate information. As for the stupid allegation of being “aftraid” to see Sweeny, anybody who actually knows COB knows what a joke it is (and the people they’ve interviewed don’t know COB which you idiots already know! Even Jeff H — when has he ever seen me on the front lines?). COB works on church matters and where necessary reserves his public appointments where it counts — personally opening scores of churches, meeting government officials and others in high positions where his time is more valuable. Afraid? He’s met individuals from 10 Downing not to mention the home office. And in spain, some of the highest officials in their government. And in the US, with the IRS. And on and on and on — not to mention the public events I have held as in LA attended by virtually a who’s who in politics (leading congress women), law enforcement (sheriff of la), entertainment (all studio heads) and business (multi-billion dollar congolmerates). You’ve just gone PTS and not filled the vacuum as the fact is he barely sleeps AND YOU KNOW IT and doing this BBC thing because he’s trying to blackmail with threats of what lies he’ll spread is as obscene as it gets and a virtual guarantee it wouldn’t happen. He’s an antagonist of the church and considering where the church is today and the virtual access to any news program who actually want to present what scn is – he put himself in the persona non grata category and intentionally so. What the hell happened to the fill the vacuum however? You’ve got the usual treason and perfect excuse to do nothing because all of a sudden Tommys on the firing line and is worried he’ll choke a question when you idiots already knew if there was something he tommy didn’t know it would be the proof of what slime this idiot is trying to dig up unfortunateky, but a fact, tommy has been more around cob than anybody and he’s gone so pts he’s worried about allegations from people he’s never heard of. Great. Cob will finish all the materials, all the courses, all the buildings and their contruction, singl hand every event, keep the show on the road, then do TV (which he’s tried to get to for a year but god forbid you 2 do anything to ease his lines) and THEN defend himself because you have every excuse not to.

From: Tommy Davis
To: Lou/DM, Mike Rinder

Mar 24, 2007
Sir, we are not giving you the full picture with these bit and piece blackberries. I have absolutely been filling the vaccum on cob since day one. I talked about how he has been behind the buildings the 4D campaigns, the lengths he went to to make all of the tech available and accessible to all by getting all of lrh’s lectures on CD so that anyone could afford them and they could be make more widely available than ever before. I made sure he knew that cob has opened up multiple major churches all over the world from africa to madrid to new york. As well as all that cob has done to personally see to it that the church steps firmly into the AV age with our fully state of the art production facilities. I also covered the book manufactureng as well. To boot Anne, kirsiten Leah and Fred shaw all said awesome thing abt COB. I’ve made the point that all this work is being done to make more Scientology available to more people and more chruches so that more of our communityu programs can assist in their communities in getting people off drugs, promote human rights and more. Also, that I have never seen anyone work harder or more hours and is as well the kindest, most genuine caring individual I know. I’ve repeatedly stated how he is always in the public eye on publoic streets talking to anyone who approaches him at org openings or wherever he is. In fact nothing has gotten more of a rise out of me and gotten me more in his face than when he brings up these allegations about cob. I have never let him level an allegations once with out junping down his throat viciously. And I had Anne and all the celebs and scientologist wgho were interviewed backing that up as well. As they all said the best things you cld imagine about cob, how approachable he is and kind and they would laugh in sweeney’s face when he wld say the crap about cob.

From: Lou/DM
To: Tommy Davis, Mike Rinder

Thanks. Glad to hear it. I assume you videod these good things and aren’t going to leave it to chance? In other words, somebody should be putting together compilation reals and sending them to this guy so he can’t “forget” they were said or “he missed them in all the footage he had”. Some plan. Its time our documentary was put together as at this point it will probably be sensational. Who ever heard of this much footage showing how BBC researches and produces their programs? Tsalk about pulling the curtain aside to see what the media is like — this sound more sensational than british headlines (and with one select clip after another of him losing it would be over the top – especially juxtaposed with shots inside our buildings he refused access to!).

From: Tommy Davis
To: Lou/DM, Mike Rinder

Yes sir we absolutely videoed it and we also have the voice recordings of when I said it to them at St. Hill and Fitzroy. We will absolutely put this together, everytime I said what I said about cob and everytime anne, kirties, fred and others said it too along with footage of all our buildings inside and out showing everything we offered to take sweeney into and have him film it himself and yet he refused. We’ll show me telling him “where do want to go? You can go anywhere. I’ll set it up” cut to beautiful buildings with tons of people inside and cut to him sneeking around like an idiot banging on doors (he made a show walking up to Leb Hall and banging on door while he called me on phone) and talking to security guards and parking lot attendants pretending he isn’t being let in with me nowhere in sight. All made to have him look like he has lost it. plus we can cut together all the interviews he did and show these beautiful elegant women and dignified men he interviewed and cut to their facial reactions to his off the wal questions and then show photos of the psychotic degraded people he chauffered around CW and SFO (Hines, lonsdale, etc) and show how they are totally DB and weird and crim and gross. Juxtapositioned against anne archer? Fred shaw? Dr. Root? Etc. Sweeney will look like the complete psychopath that he is and I haven’t even gotten to the footage of him screaming his head off and then explaingin it away as something to do with a high school play he did or that he was brainwashed. Just gonzo.

From: Tommy Davis
To: Lou/DM, Mike Rinder

Sir, I want to correct what I said yesterday on the phone with cob. I was and am ready for that interview. I have read every DA pack I cld get my hands on, went onto the net and saw every disgusting site and read everything I cld about hawkins, hines, donna shannon, lawnsdale and more. I had stacks of the religious expertises ready to literally throw at him and also the DA docs for the OT VII forgery on the net, the san Francisco crap on Narconon and more. I was very entubulated about screwing cob over on wed at cchr and kicking myself as every other time sweeny brought up cob I said no way and especially not an intervuew with you. I jsut went effect and it was inexcuseable. I have since talked to sweeney today and I went BALLISTIC when he brought up COB and made it very clear that it would be over my dead body that he would ever talk to cob ever. I was being temporarily defeatist when on the phone with cob and it was completely out-ethics and out-TRs and I never had any questions a bout m ability to do that interview and was actually looking forward to it after having drivn sweenmey psychotic on wednesday as I figured I could do it againa d that I would get him to pop off with the most outrageous things. Well this is exactly what happend when I talked to him on the phone today and got him to say that we had brainwashed him!!! And I have this on tape and we are verifying we’re got it on video too. He has lost it and I am definitely the person who drives him more psychotic than anyone. He goes nuts around me. And I’m going to keep it up. Ml, Tommy

From: Tommy Davis
To: Lou/DM, Mike Rinder

Sir, I’m sorry about not briefing you on Donna. She is a nobody. On the email, I was very clear that I was not going to be interviewed by Sweeney because of his undiginfied and outrageous behaviour after having listed out a number of examples including that mike and I made it absolutely crystal clear that Gold is our home and that we were sitting in LA just for Sweeney and despite having offered tours of anywhere he wanted to go he went way out of LA unannounced and showed up at our home at Gold and that this was an obvious ploy and a total stunt. The email absolutely states unequivocabley that he has crossed the line and is actually outrageous. I am sending the email to you separately so you can see it. Sweeney is nuts and we have it documented and he is such a psycho he’s the star of the exposé. Also, the latest is that they went to their hotel, stayed for 30 mins and are leaving there now. Will know for sure thy are out of here when they head to airport. Mike and I are back at osa now and drafting a new letter for the head honchos at the bbc based on today’s incident at Leb Hall and what happened yesterday with Gold as these bbc higher up were infoed on my email but want to hv all this laid out to them too. Ml, Tommy

From: Tommy Davis
To: Lou/DM, Mike Rinder

Sir, he already told me he is leaving tonight. He and Sarah both told me that. However I was planning on calling him and saying, “hey what’s the deal? I spent the last two weeks of my life being available to you for your show and offered you everything. Now from what you told me you are probably leaving soon and you haven’t even called to say you are going? I have no doubt you called your good friends Shawn lonsdale, donna shannon and bruce hines. Didn’t you? Well good bye John. I can’t say it been a pleasure getting to know you but I have no doubt you’ll be hearing more from me. Cheers

 

In Monique’s motion for sanctions, she points out that two current Scientology officials (Warren McShane and Allen Cartwright) and Tommy Davis (who says he is on leave from the Sea Org) claim that Miscavige had no involvement with Office of Special Affairs actions such as the harassment of the Rathbuns. Rinder’s texts, she says, make it clear that the opposite is true.

“The text messages are unbiased, documentary evidence that Mr. Davis, Mr. McShane, and Mr. Cartwright lied under oath for the specific purpose of shielding their commanding officer, David Miscavige, from personal liability and personal jurisdiction in Texas,” her motion says. “Mr. Rinder’s text messages demonstrate that Miscavige does, in fact, give orders and receive reports from OSA about OSA’s operations. This is a material fact in the jurisdictional dispute currently pending before the Court. The Defendants are attempting to perpetuate a fraud on the Court and thereby to secure a dismissal on jurisdictional grounds. This Court should impose appropriate sanctions on the Defendants in response to this egregious pattern of discovery abuse.”

On Wednesday, there will be another hearing in the lawsuit. (A hearing on Monday was scrapped when Monique’s team withdrew a motion to strike that was based on a misunderstanding of something that transpired in a previous court hearing.)

At Wednesday’s hearing, Monique will be asking for a continuance on Scientology’s anti-SLAPP motion so she can obtain more discovery in that issue. (In its anti-SLAPP motion, Scientology is claiming that Monique’s lawsuit is a baseless attempt at bullying the church in order to suppress its free speech rights.) If Judge Waldrip denies the continuance, the two sides will argue the anti-SLAPP motion itself. Monique’s legal team will also ask Waldrip to consider her motion for sanctions. Scientology has also complained that a temporary restraining order granted in August should have been converted to a temporary injunction or been dropped by now — but Scientology complaining about a lawsuit being delayed is rather rich, considering how many dilatory motions it has filed in this case.

If Monique can get the continuance on the anti-SLAPP motion or defeat it, she can next concentrate on setting up a deposition of David Miscavige himself in order to settle the jurisdictional question. We imagine that some of the questions asked by her attorney, Ray Jeffrey, will involve Mike Rinder’s texts and some of Miscavige’s colorful acronyms.

Whew. This case just gets more and more interesting, doesn’t it?

 
——————–

Posted by Tony Ortega on January 4, 2014 at 07:00

E-mail your tips and story ideas to tonyo94@gmail.com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. Here at the Bunker we try to have a post up every morning at 7 AM Eastern (Noon GMT), and on some days we post an afternoon story at around 2 PM. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

 

Share Button
  • Priscilla

    What a day its been – reading the texts and then all of your comments! I don’t have a clear sense yet of the legal value of these texts, but if they contribute at all to the downfall of the evil empire, I will be happy.

    • Missionary Kid

      The legal sense is that it puts the lie to Tommy’s deposition. It impeaches his ass, and makes his testimony for Co$ worthless, since it clearly illustrates that he’s lying.

      It also illustrates how closely that DM supervises everything.

      • http://www.kongbomb.com/ Kong

        Didn’t either Cartwright or McShane also state in their depo that either DM doesn’t micromanage, or that they had no knowledge of him doing so?

        • Missionary Kid

          I didn’t read them all, but it basically shows a pattern of behavior that gives reasonable doubt to their testimony. Whether or not it those two bozos will now testify after they’ve been caught with their pants down, will be an interesting point. Everything will be up to a jury to decide.

          It’s certainly ammo for Ray.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    VacatIon? Nix vacation. Giggling my ass off.
    Super rich, …this.

  • Sunny Sands

    Some new developments in legal representation of scientology in Monique’s case. Wallace Jefferson, former Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme Court, and brother to Lamont Jefferson, sci lawyer in Texas, has joined the legal team defending DM.

    Wallace Jefferson stepped down as Chief Justice in October, saying he needed to make more money to put his kids through college..

    This info was from a Facebook post, but the part about him needing to make more money was in the news.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/to-mosey-rathbun-files-multi-million-dollar-lawsuit-against-cos-for-harassment.113178/page-44

    • ParticleMom

      Wow. Just wow.

    • pronoia

      Well, he’ll probably make enough to send his kids to college on this one!

    • pronoia
      • Sunny Sands

        From the TX Citizen Facebook page:
        BREAKING NEWS:

        Wallace Jefferson, the former Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme Court, has joined the legal team representing Church of Scientology leader David Miscavige in a lawsuit against him. Jefferson, who is the brother to Miscavige’s lead attorney Lamont Jefferson, stepped down from the high court on Oct. 1.

        Bulverde resident Monique Rathbun filed a harassment suit against Miscavige and other Church entities and members. In an earlier affidavit in support of his wife’s case, Marty Rathbun, who was once second in control of the Church, said that in a previous Texas case, Miscavige ordered him to find a lawyer who had strong influence with state judges.

        - Nick Rogers, TX Citizen

        • pronoia

          Texas is a strange place.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Money talks.

    • Espiando

      I’m sorry, but a message posted on the Supreme Kingdom Of Retards is not enough confirmation for me. Legitimate press or nothing. We’ll see if he shows up in court.

      • D.Y.G.
        • Espiando

          That’s ling (and one that pro posted) about him resigning, not one about him joining Team Scilon.

          • D.Y.G.
            • Espiando

              1) Paywall 2) from a paper that I regarded as asswipe when I spent a year in San Antonio training while in the Army 3) of a article from December 21st, and there’s been nothing about this until now? Tony would have found out from Sugar Ray prior to this, and reported it.

              I have a feeling they mixed up the Jeffersons.

            • pronoia

              That does make sense — why would the Chief Justice of Texas tarnish his reputation with the likes of David Miscavige? It is not as if he can not find plenty of clients with deep pockets to just keep him around on retainer. And that is just for starters.

            • Sunny Sands

              I wonder why the Chief Justice of Texas would tarnish is reputation by stepping down from his position, and telling everyone he needed to make more money.

            • pronoia

              I don’t know much about state Chief Justices but I can’t imagine that they ALL treat it like it is a lifetime position. If he has a bunch of kids around the same age all about to go to college, he might just be telling the truth.

            • Midwest Mom

              http://www.texastribune.org/library/data/government-employee-salaries/state-of-texas/departments/supreme-court/20719/

              He also received longevity pay, which is a bonus given the longer you serve on the bench. He wasn’t earning minimum wage by any means.

            • Clamation

              In terms of job security and job satisfaction, it has to be really, really good to be the Chief

            • pronoia

              Yeah cushy — lots of vacations etc. But if you want to make the big bucks as a lawyer, it is not the way to go. Though it would be an excellent stepping stone to the big ones.

            • Great White Clam

              Hmmm…….
              It could be better than a yellow pages advert!!!!!!!

            • ShoopZ

              From the google cached version of the Express article:

              As an indication of the high stakes involved, the defendants Wednesday added Wallace Jefferson, former chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court, to a legal team already packed with heavyweights.

              http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mrsPryMDnD4J:www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Scientology-leader-ordered-to-appear-in-Texas-for-5083207.php+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari#/0

            • Espiando

              So why is this the first we’re hearing about it? The article, as I said, is from December 21st. The moment that Sugar Ray found out, he’d have told Marty, Marty would have told Mike, Mike would have posted it, etc., or he’d have told Tony, who definitely would have posted it. Wallace Jefferson would have been added to Team Scilon on December 18th. So, again, why is a post from the Kingdom of Retards the first that we, or ESMB, or WWP, or anyone, heard about this?

            • ShoopZ

              I was thinking the same thing.

            • Espiando

              And why is it relegated to a mention in the final graph of a long, detailed article about the case? Something like this would have gone in the lede. And why is the SA E-N article the only source for this? Something like this would have caught the attention of the Austin American-Statesman due to its capitol connection.

              None of this makes sense.

            • Jon Hendry

              Because of the holidays, most likely.

    • D.Y.G.

      Because the Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme Court only earns $170,000 per year.

    • Clamation

      That would be good news in case of an appeal?

      • D.Y.G.

        Well, they’re probably hoping he has some pull with his former colleagues on the bench should they need to appeal decisions. He certainly would have a firm grasp of the appeals process. My guess is this guy is laughing his way to the bank. Other than his need for cash, he seems to have been a pretty upstanding guy.

        • pronoia

          It doesn’t seem like he would have trouble finding less controversial clients with pockets just as deep as the Co$ — if not deeper.

          • D.Y.G.

            They’re probably paying him a ton upfront on retainer. He’s a status symbol.

            • pronoia

              Appeals retainer?

            • D.Y.G.

              The Scilons are known to hire attorneys that they think have an “in” somewhere. Plus they will have his name attached to the rest of the flunkey legal team. I can’t say for sure what his purpose is supposed to be, but he would certainly know how to drag this case out through appeals.

            • OT8squared

              How will he react to getting scolded by the Captain? I don’t think a Chief Justice would be too tolerant of that kind of BS.

            • pronoia

              I doubt he treats all of his lawyers like that. For example, I can’t imagine that Eric M. Lieberman would put up with that crap.

            • D.Y.G.

              I seriously doubt he’ll be subjected to any of that because they feel they really need him. Their case isn’t really going all that well and they’re getting roughed up by one lone good old Texas boy.

              I’d love to be a fly on the wall during their strategy sessions. I want to see how he responds to some of these legal shenanigans.

            • pronoia

              2 words. The same 2 words they always use. First Amendment. They are already inserting those two words in all of their filings as often as they can. Because when they appeal — and I think there is no doubt that they will appeal every single one of Judge Waldrip’s decisions — it will be all about the First Amendment.

              Speaking of connections — this has not been explored much, but my understanding is that Judge Waldrip is pretty close to Rick Perry. That is, that he likely has his own “connections” in high places.

            • D.Y.G.

              Rick Perry appointed Judge Waldrip. I know that he’s also been appointed to the governor’s Criminal Justice Advisory Council. I don’t know of any personal connection but it wouldn’t surprise me. Someone obviously took a liking to him and helped him up the food chain.

            • Clamation

              VERY good point. Another potential footbullet.

          • Jon Hendry

            But few stupider. As someone (Tony? John P.?) has said, Scientology is a dream client due to how they drag out their cases as long as possible and often settle. Make a lot of money, do little actual work, and when Scientology loses it happens quietly so probably doesn’t count against your reputation.

        • Clamation

          I meant conversely, wouldn’t it help Monique to have him quit his job, thereby removing a scilon advocate from the highest bench in the state

          • D.Y.G.

            I don’t think he’s been an advocate for Scientology. I think he was looking for a better paying gig and his brother hooked him up.

            • pronoia

              Good lawyers are good advocates for their clients.

            • D.Y.G.

              I mean prior to joining this group of morons, he doesn’t seem to have been an advocate for Scientology.

            • Clamation

              Agreed, I should have said “potential” scilon advocate

            • Artoo45

              With brothers like that who needs enemies . . .

          • Sunny Sands

            I wouldn’t think he would be a scilon advocate until they put money in his pocket. But his brother working for the firm would have created a conflict of interest.

            • pronoia

              Well he could’ve always recused himself from any case that his brother was on.

      • D.Y.G.

        The good news is he hasn’t argued a case or filed a motion for more than 25 years.

    • OT8squared

      The bright side is this could be a sign that DM is getting scared, spending more money to bring in a legal big wig to protect him from the evils of wog justice. Thing is, legal big wigs have to be paid big wig money. Time for some more fundraising.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Something with all of that smells fishy….very fishy.

      • Great White Clam

        It’s $cientology.
        It’s designed to smell fishy…….

      • Sunny Sands

        I wonder what kind of pressure is going to be put on Judge Waldrip.

      • Suzy

        Check the smell wall…

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Ewwww, no thanks. I hate sardines.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Ahhhh… makes sense – two lawyers… two brothers… putting Money before Ethics… two peas in a rotten pod… representing the most rotten pea in the most rotten pod of all!

      Two brothers who are “qualified” (accepted huge sums of money) to represent the only other “Ethical” person on the planet… the Pope of Co$… Unf*cking Unbievable!!!!!

      How utterly disgusting… how utterly reprehensible… how many times so far in these first four days of 2014 have I had the taste of vomit in my mouth?

      And now, I hear that the FORMER Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme Court, brother to Lamont All-I-Care-About-Is-Bucks Jefferson, is going to also represent DM!!!! I am going to throw up – with absolute shame of my fellow “human beings”….

      Time to repost this, I guess…. Watch Lamont Jeffereson come in singing at the 00:25 time mark.

      FINALLY, it seems someone in this case is finally telling the TRUTHl about something!

      http://youtu.be/ndzhATlFeJk

      • D.Y.G.

        Hey, money’s money, and everyone deserves the best defense they can afford! The kids. Need. Harvard.

      • Captain Howdy

        Kinda reminds me of two other brothers named William Bulger and James Bulger.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Bulger

  • Espiando

    I am so damn glad that Oracle doesn’t come here anymore. Catch what she said at Das Rinderblog:

    “That YOU sat in your comfy 20 million dollar office and berated and degraded a volunteer who DID have the courage to get up off his ass and do something…”

    So, therefore, Oracle, you approve of what Mike and Davey’s Buttboy did to John Sweeney? Anything for Scientology, huh? You fucking bitch. Please, come over here and say shit like that. I remember the last time you tried, Oracle. You were beaten like a red-headed stepchild.

    And I wouldn’t call being released from the Hole and sent off looking like something straight out of Dachau in 1945 “volunteering”. This just goes to show how insane she is.

    Sometimes she makes me wonder whether she’s a sockpuppet of the woman that Tommy said was assigned to monitor Exes’ blogs. Honestly, I can’t think of a reason she isn’t, other than the fact that she hits .9 Schwartzes on the Looney Scilon Meter.

    • Baby

      That absolutely sickens me.. SICKENS ME..

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Say what? I missed a psychotic Oracle rant?
      Thank GOD….or whatever!

      • Espiando

        No, this is over at Das Rinderblog, in the comments about today’s story on the longtime veteran Kool-Aid Drinkers who are starting over on the Bridge. Someone linked to Tony’s article, and Oracle just HAD to respond to it there.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Oh, I can barely keep up…

          And while I like Rinders blog….this IPad and I are arguing …a lot.
          Just caught up on today’s post.

          Can’t even force myself to go read that crazy bitches contribution.
          (I did say I was on vaca?, right?

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Cuban sandy yet? Mmmmmmm.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              My Cuban rocked. Got two meals out of it
              I love that place!

            • chukicita

              Now I want a medianoche.

          • aegerprimo

            We need John P’s Scientology Daily Digest (to be daily again).

          • Espiando

            Typical Oracle: batshit insane, spread out over about six posts, responding to herself, etc., etc. Except that line just really stood out. In her effort to pimp Mike, she just revealed herself. I’m really starting to think she’s Lynn Shape.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Lynn Whitlock Shape, married to Norman Ray Shape, both OSA Int veterans. Norm’s sister is Larraine (or Loraine?) Shape, Miami from the 70′s, and now part of the scientologists’ network of dubious marketers, tech, SEO, business consultants, and the ever circling drain of fellow cons and “special people”, mostly now circling over Pinellas and Pasco Counties or LA and West Coast Bay areas who sideline as OSA volunteers. So maybe Laraine, not Lynn. It’s all white collar crims or creepy “volunteers” who will do anything to please their Master or get a table sitting next to Travolta or Cruise.

            • DeElizabethan

              Pronounced Loraine seems best as I remember. i went down to Miami to check out my old org and visit friends after 4 years and retired from volunteering. Seems they were told I was coming and sent Lorraine and Reene ‘Swizter (Sp?) to feel me out and I was feeling them out. It was figgin’ social weird and bad vibes. Leah Abady had known for years was cold as ice. I had previously been in touch with an ex scio and was going to meet with him down there for a session from an ex Peter Loretzens group. GO, as I knew it then, was apparently watching me, not sure what I was doing, but I figured it out later. I wasn’t a happy camper. That was the only time I visited the org but I did had a fine session or three elsewhere by an nice indie. I was truly surprised how the org had shrunk.

        • Robert Eckert

          I rather liked her line “Don’t hang yourself on a door knob and deny us the pleasure of watching YOUR comm ev.”

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      She’s talking about DM sitting his 20 million dollar office, not Rinder.

      • Espiando

        Should have clarified that YOU meant DM, but the “volunteer who DID have the courage” is Mike. Or supposed to be Mike.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I see that. Yes. I don’t exactly read it as approval of Mike’s actions there, just that he was more on the front lines. More of a way to rant against DM for the way he treats underlings.

          Yea the Volunteer bit is a bit much.

          • Espiando

            “Get up off his ass and do something” sounds like she feels that “something should (have) be(en) done” about John Sweeney.

            • Captain Howdy

              Rathbun, Rinder and the rest of the Indies still believe there was some sort of governmental/AMA/Pharma conspiracy to destroy scientology back in the 60′s.

            • Cat Daddy

              No they don’t

            • Captain Howdy

              I’ve read Rinder and Rathbun assert this fairly recently.

            • Cat Daddy

              Something about the FDA or FBI raids ? those were real

            • Captain Howdy

              Nope, this was about stuff that happened in 50′s, 60′s 70′s involving the German, French, U.K governments and the other usual suspects (including Interpol)

            • Cat Daddy

              I am on both blogs but haven’t read anything specific, The posters onthere are more conspiricy minded tough

            • Captain Howdy

              This is easily resolved. Someone go to Marty/Mike’s blogs and ask them if they believe there was any sort of organized effort to stop LRH/CofS in the 60′s etc.

            • Cat Daddy

              If it comes up I will but, not out of the blue. One thing I do believe is that J Edgar Hoover was a Dickhead untill he died

            • Captain Howdy

              “If it comes up I will but, not out of the blue.”

              Why not? You were concerned enough to deny the possibility.

            • Cat Daddy

              I am not a puppet on a string doing anybodies bidding at a whim

            • Captain Howdy

              Ha, ha..don’t get your bustle in a hedge row there, CD.

            • Cat Daddy

              Okie dokie

            • Robert Eckert

              He did not “deny the possibility”: he denied that he sees any such thing over there. It is the person making a positive assertion who bears burden of proof. You say they post that kind of stuff? Show such a post, then.

            • Captain Howdy

              Hold on Bob while I go read through at least six months of blogs. It would be much easier if someone who really cares (not me so much) to go ask them. U mad bro?

            • Cat Daddy

              I don’t care much either on this topic and I hate going to those blogs, It murders my brain

            • Robert Eckert

              I’m not the one picking a fight here.

            • Captain Howdy

              Me either. I was simply responding to CD and then you jumped in. Sorry Bob, but i can’t help but feeling you have some of ‘dem overts and withholds as far as I’m concerned, “sigh”.

            • Robert Eckert

              You were baiting him, and demanding that he prove a negative. That is not how logical discussions work.

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks Mr Pedantic..just kidding. I respect your sense of logic very much, dude.

            • Miss Tia

              I agree with your comment on hoover!

            • Cat Daddy

              Even Ethel Kennedy dropped a note in the Idea Box at FBI head quaters during a visit that said: “Get another director”, Geuss what happened

            • Miss Tia

              She did that really? I never heard that before! Unfortunately, I don’t need to guess what happened!

            • Cat Daddy

              By her own admittance in a rare Interview

              http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/49440219#49440219

            • Miss Tia

              oh wow, thank you for that link!!!

            • Espiando

              Not all of them. Just the most vocal contingent of them.

  • Cat Daddy

    Another Money grabbing whore joins the moraly vacant

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/attachments/txcit-lolyers-png.218778/

    • Great White Clam

      is this substantiated elsewhere?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        “As an indication of the high stakes involved, the defendants Wednesday
        added Wallace Jefferson, former chief justice of the Texas Supreme
        Court, to a legal team already packed with heavyweights.” (He stepped down as Chief Justice on Oct 1, 2013)

        http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Scientology-leader-ordered-to-appear-in-Texas-for-5083207.php#/0

        • Great White Clam

          Paywalled.
          No can do.

          • Espiando

            There’s a link to a Google Cache copy further downthread. I’m already laying out my skepticism about this there.

            • Cat Daddy

              By John MacCormack

              December 21, 2013

              NEW BRAUNFELS — Although lawyers often outnumber courtroom spectators in
              a complicated Scientology case unfolding here, the proceedings are
              being closely watched from afar by the church faithful, ex-members and
              critics.

              On the surface, the case is about an alleged campaign of dirty tricks,
              harassment and surveillance conducted by church operatives — some known
              as Squirrel Busters — against Monique Rathbun and her husband.

              But there is much more at stake.

              Things got more serious for the defendants recently when state District
              Judge Dib Waldrip ordered longtime Scientology leader David Miscavige to
              come to Texas for a deposition to resolve jurisdictional questions.

              As anti-church websites lit up with hyperbolic and often inaccurate
              headlines about the stunning development, church officials and their
              lawyers, who are certain to file an appeal, went mum.

              The plaintiff, Monique Rathbun, a non-Scientologist, is married to Mark
              Rathbun, a prominent dissident who once was Miscavige’s
              second-in-command. Scientology lawyers claim she’s a straw figure.

              “This lawsuit has been strategically filed by Mark “Marty” Rathbun
              vicariously through his wife. … As part of his four-year crusade to
              harass and defame the Church of Scientology in the media and promote his
              books and blog,” one pleading states.

              But her lawyers say her damages are real and that they must question the
              church leader under oath to determine his role in a four-year campaign
              to torment the Rathbuns, first in Ingleside on the Bay and later in
              Bulverde.

              “David Miscavige was personally responsible for all the actions that
              took place in this case, and he was controlling the activities of the
              private investigators, the people on the ground and the Squirrel
              Busters,” said Elliott Cappuccio, one of Monique Rathbun’s lawyers.

              Lamont Jefferson, who’s representing Miscavige, didn’t return a call
              seeking comment after the ruling, and church media contacts likewise
              were unresponsive to an e-mail sent seeking their reaction.

              Jefferson and other church lawyers have asserted various objections to
              Miscavige continuing as a defendant in the case, ranging from
              constitutional grounds to the court’s lack of jurisdiction.

              Miscavige, who shuttles between church offices in California and
              Florida, has been to Texas only once in the past 25 years and had
              nothing to do with the alleged campaign against the Rathbuns, his
              lawyers contend.

              Instead, they say, as the church’s ecclesiastical leader, his time is
              consumed with safeguarding church orthodoxy and scriptures, opening new
              churches and advancing the faith around the world, with no time left for
              unseemly conduct.

              “We have submitted his statement, under oath, that he had nothing to do
              with these activities in this state. And if they are convinced that is a
              lie, that still would not be enough,” Jefferson asserted in court.

              Rathbun’s lead lawyer, Ray Jeffrey, however, has painted Miscavige as a
              cultish figure obsessed with punishing former church members who speak
              out against him — chief among them, Mark Rathbun.

              In their pleadings, Rathbun’s lawyers have depicted Miscavige as a
              vengeful, hands-on leader who closely manages the covert operations of
              the church’s “Office of Special Affairs,” against “subversive persons.”

              “You have two competing versions of reality in front of you,” Jeffrey told Waldrip in a recent hearing.

              “Their version is that Capt. Miscavige is like the Dalai Lama or the
              pope, totally removed from all these dirty details of what goes on. But
              if that’s the case, why would it make one bit of difference if he were
              deposed?” he asked.

              To make his case, Jeffrey recently filed a raft of affidavits from
              former church insiders who described their own unpleasant experiences
              with Miscavige.

              Among his alleged activities was ordering the “imprisonment and
              re-education” of disaffected members, berating and striking underlings
              who displeased him, and the micromanaging of all church activities.

              One ex-member, Claire Headley, who left Scientology after 14 years in
              2005, told of being sent by Miscavige to “The Hole,” as punishment.

              She described it as “a bizarre prison within the confines of Scientology’s 500-acre compound in the California desert.”

              “I was incarcerated in The Hole in 2005 for 3 weeks. I experienced
              terrible conditions in The Hole, where I was subjected to physical and
              psychological abuse. If I was allowed to sleep, I was required to do so
              under my desk in an office area with a sleeping bag,” Headley wrote.

              She went on to describe other mistreatment that she claimed was
              inflicted because she had refused Miscavige’s order to divorce her
              husband of 12 years.

              After reading the affidavits and disallowing some portions, Waldrip
              ruled that Miscavige must come and answer questions under oath about his
              connections to Texas.

              Cappuccio said he anticipates a lengthy battle before the Scientology
              leader is sworn in here. Waldrip said Scientology could appeal his
              order.

              “If they lose the appeal, their next avenue will be delay,” Cappuccio said.

              “It will be, ‘Gosh, golly, Mr. Miscavige doesn’t have any time for a
              deposition for months.’ But I don’t think the judge will be sympathetic
              to that,” he added.

              As an indication of the high stakes
              involved, the defendants Wednesday added Wallace Jefferson, former chief
              justice of the Texas Supreme Court, to a legal team already packed with
              heavyweights.

              jmaccormack@express-news.net

            • Great White Clam

              “the defendants Wednesday added Wallace Jefferson, former chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court” Dec 21 article date makes that Wednesday the 18th Dec 2012. As mentioned below, we should have heard something more on this by now.

            • pronoia

              I dunno — I would think that Tony would’ve broken this story if it were true. It would not be sitting behind a paywall somewhere since before Christmas.

            • aurora50

              On Sept 15, Tony posted this:

              ‘And one more reference to the Texas legal showdown. We told you that the
              attorney representing David Miscavige and doing his best to throw the
              other defendants under the bus was Lamont Jefferson of the law firm
              Haynes and Boone. (His brother is Wallace Jefferson, who is about to
              step down as chief justice of the Supreme Court of Texas and return to
              private practice.)’

            • Espiando

              The story here isn’t about Wallace Jefferson stepping down. It’s about him supposedly joining Team Scilon. This is a story published by only one newspaper, in the final paragraph of a long article about Mosey’s suit, with no further substantiation by anyone in the two weeks since it was published. This is what we’re skeptical about, not Jefferson’s retirement.

            • aurora50

              I got distracted from my search; I had remembered that Wallace Jefferson had been brought on board in some capacity…
              found the Leonard reference first but then the phone rang….
              someone above has found further evidence of Wallace being on the team in some fashion…

            • Robert Eckert

              He has been retained for the Rathbun case by both RTC and Miscavige personally as co-counsel along with his brother and another.

            • Espiando

              I don’t think they’re going to waste him for Comal County. I think they’re anticipating having any number of motions get pushed up all the way to the Texas Supremes. Having professional inside knowledge of the body might give them a clue on what lines of appeal can trigger certain justices to move their way.

              That’s when Sugar Ray pulls out the forced abortions stuff.

            • Robert Eckert

              It is quite common to have different lawyers arguing at trial level and at appellate level, and I expect you are right that Wallace is retained for use in the upper courts.

            • pronoia

              Yeah — I remember that post but that is a far cry from actually joining David Miscavige’s legal team.

            • aegerprimo

              I am skeptical too. I read the articles in the links below (Dallas News article, etc.). Still skeptical.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Good catch. Didn’t notice that one. Wallace Did step down Oct 1, tho, right?

            • D.Y.G.

              I found him listed as “retained” in the comal county court records for this case.

              Hopefully this link works–

              http://24.153.188.245/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=770038

            • Espiando

              Not directly, no.

            • D.Y.G.

              Hang tight I got a half-assed screen shot

            • D.Y.G.

              It’s a big image, sorry. I can’t seem to direct link to this, but if you follow this one and type in Monique’s info you’ll get clickable case info. He’s definitely listed.

              http://24.153.188.245/Search.aspx?ID=700&NodeID=100,110,120,130,200,210,220,230,240,290,300,310,330,340,3100,4100,4200,4210,5100,6100,7100,320,4220,4230,4240&NodeDesc=Comal

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Anything more legible you can give us on this?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist
            • Robert Eckert

              I got in, see if Disqus

            • Robert Eckert

              Try again:

      • Robert Eckert

        Who are the lawyers in a suit is a matter of public record. Any attorney added to the representation of any party has to file a Notice of Appearance.

        • Great White Clam

          The record should be online then…….

          • D.Y.G.

            It is!

            http://www.co.comal.tx.us/recordsearch.htm

            I can’t find a way to direct link to it. You’ll have to do some clicking and input Monique’s info into the search. Here’s a better screen shot than the one I posted further down.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    My personal fave?

    Pope reference. Almost peed on myself.

    • OT8squared

      Q: Is the Pope Catholic?
      A: No, he’s a Scientologist you little CICS

      • Great White Clam

        The MisanthroPope is a $cilon. The real pope shits in the woods.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I like it!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Good, but too wordy. How about…

          The Blackberry Pope?

          • Great White Clam

            Blackberry is much more secure than other technology. It was a wise choice. I wonder how much they paid for that information.

            • Great White Clam

              How about the TinyBerries Pope? LOL

          • Missionary Kid

            “Blackberry Pope” is a little weak, but it’s the 500th Nickname for DM!!! Congratulations!!! http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1084225544

            • aquaclara

              Truly excellent work,MK! Thank you!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Can I edit it to “Pope of Blackberry” and retain my place in history?

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s O.K., because I’m going to add “Pope of Blackberry” as 501 That one’s pretty good. I shouldn’t have said Blackberry Pope was weak, because the idea behind it wasn’t. PoB does seem smoother.

            • Natalia M

              Good work MK the Archivist

            • Missionary Kid

              Archivist sounds to fancy for me. Let’s just call me a list-keeper. ;-)

            • Natalia M

              Ok, MK the LK ;)

            • Missionary Kid

              *Chuckle*

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      I think this says it nicely:

      Captain David Miscavige, Chairman Of the Board of RTC, Poop of scientology.

      • Ruby

        Don’t forget “The Boss” in there somewhere…

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          There can be only one! *refresh*

          • Ruby

            You are right. Ok…the boss. ( no caps…insignificant)

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Sorry, Ruby. He’s mine, all mine. Seniority and all that.

      • Captain Howdy

        So if LMP had managed to convert Wacko-Jacko to Diarrhetics it would have been..

        “Poop of Scatology vs King of Poop”

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Unseee! Unseeee!

          • Captain Howdy

            If it’s any consolation, I don’t think it’s real poop.

            • Hobson’sChoice

              The problem with poop is… no matter how you spell it… it is still poop! :-)

        • Cat Daddy

          religion of shit

        • Ardent

          Cap’n you’ve out done yourself. ; )

          • Captain Howdy

            I try ya know? Believe it or not, it’s not easy being me sometimes ; D

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      We are now stocking Depends alongside the Popcorn shelves.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        We can always count in you!

      • mouseyhair

        Poking my head out from the lurkers closet to say “Hole, that’s classic! ROFLMAO!”

        • Ardent

          Welcome, mouseyhair! Always nice to see a new face.

          • mouseyhair

            Thanks!

  • Science Doc

    If I follow all of this, DM et al. knew all of this was in Rinder’s possession because it was in the BBC book, and it didn’t come from TD or Lou. So, did they imagine it wouldn’t be produced here? I suppose that next they provide an affidavit that Lou means Lou, and that Lou ran that operation while DM edited the Basics and wrote code for the new meter? There must be a countermove, or there would be with routine legal representation.

    Best case is that no one told the attorneys to expect this, and no one told them to read every book on Scien on the clock to look for problems. If they were holding back from their attorneys devastating information that they knew would surface in contradiction of the depos, the attorneys will be furious. That is what you get with hubris though.

    Of course if Lou = Lou then they need to take Lou’s depo, and that gets interesting too.

    • pronoia

      Well, did you notice at the end of Tommy’s deposition, Ray Jeffrey called one of DM’s lawyers a newbie! Like it must’ve been clear to Jeffrey that he was struggling to keep up with what he and Tommy were really sparring about.

      • Science Doc

        Yes. Makes me think that DM’s attorneys are operating in the dark while Ray is playing his hand very carefully with full knowledge of where all the cards are. We will get a very important tell when they file a response to this.

    • Miss Tia

      YES!! depose Lou too!!! Shelly AND Lou!!

  • Guest

    …”As for the stupid allegation of being “aftraid” to see Sweeny, anybody who actually knows COB knows what a joke it is (and the people they’ve interviewed don’t know COB which you idiots already know! Even Jeff H — when has he ever seen me on the front lines?).”

    Oops-a-daisy!:P

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I hope the poop of scientology, Damp Merkin, feels the frisson at the impending summons.

    *and yes, I did write this just so I could call that waste of carbon “Damp Merkin.”

    • Science Doc

      Waste of carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, sulfur, phosphorus, sodium, chloride, potassium, calcium, iron, zinc, and various other elements.

      • Espiando

        How many times do you think that Ronnie wishes that he’d just pulled out?

      • Great White Clam

        You forgot to add bullshit to that list.

        • aquaclara

          The essential element!

    • Missionary Kid

      And it went on the list of DM nicknames.

    • Ardent

      Hilarious! Thanks.

  • Ruby

    So, I just came back from the morning excitement and reread…not sure how I missed earlier some of the TommyD texts, but…geez…referring to Donna as a “nobody”…what an arrogant idiot you are, Tommy!
    And, text before that he refers to correcting “what he said on the phone to cob”. After testifying he never had communication with cob, even via Lou, now he is a lying, arrogant idiot! Ok…nothing new but had to say it.

    • Hobson’sChoice

      Ruby… you are right. It is obvious through these texts that Tommy D is in direct verbal communication with COB. And here it does say “COB”. Not ‘him’. Not ‘the boss’. Not ‘the communicator’. But uses the term COB.

      Tommy accused of “wanting to ignore everything the boss said”

      Tommy stating, “Sir, I want to correct what I said yesterday on the phone with cob.”

  • HappyGoLucky

    …” As for the stupid allegation of being “aftraid” to see Sweeny, anybody who actually knows COB knows what a joke it is (and the people they’ve interviewed don’t know COB which you idiots already know! Even Jeff H — when has he ever seen me on the front lines?).”

  • Suppressive Tomato

    It’s fascinating how terrified Rinder and Davis are of COB. No matter how stupid or unintelligible his criticism or demand, they agree and self-flagellate. Really hard to comprehend.

    • Cat Daddy

      That is called being mindfucked

    • Espiando

      Rinder was already in the Hole once. Tommy didn’t want to go there. If you’re a Scilon who believes that surviving is the primary purpose of an organism, it makes sense to take the path of least resistance to accomplishing that.

      • Annee

        Espiando, your comment made me wonder about the un-recorded conversations between Tommy Davis and Mike Rinder – the “off record” exchanges between them. If any occurred, did any conversations influence Rinder’s leaving, or Tommy’s current LOA? No doubt more stories yet to be heard.

        • SandiCorrena

          I’m sure TD spent lots of time writing KR’s on Mike!

          • Annee

            Those would be interesting to read. Maybe one day we will have the privilege.

          • Miss Tia

            oh yeah!!! TD always gotta try to make DM happy!! ‘have i been a good boy?’ ‘look what i did? does this please you?’…..it’s really sad…..

          • Jon Hendry

            TD probably put in a bunch just about the time dealing with Sweeney, written to confirm everything DM said about Rinder.

    • Science Doc

      Years of abuse and neglect plus holding family members hostage will break down most peoples resilience eventually. They were in very real danger.

      • Suppressive Tomato

        I understand on an intellectual level, it’s just I’ve never suffered abuse like that so it’s hard to imagine not just walking away at the first sign of insanity. But, yeah, family ties, friends are all “in”, I get it. Still, it’s stranger than fiction.

        • aegerprimo

          I agree it is “stranger than fiction.” Humans are complicated creatures, though predictable.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            It’s not fiction. It’s science.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Just the factor of long term sleep deprivation is enough to void any person’s free will. Just that one factor alone and there are multiple factors in the Sea Org, and many more in the top levels which I’ve only read about. knowing what it was like in the levels in SO just below, even I can’t imagine, but what I experience was enough to liken it to POW.
          What I’ve read about the Hole seems to me to violate Geneva convention rules about prisoners.

          [A 2007 report on American torture tactics—written by non-governmental organizations Physicians for Human Rights and Human Rights First—has a section on sleep deprivation that begins with descriptions of a Soviet gulag. In The Gulag Archipelago,
          Alexandr Solzhenitsyn lists sleeplessness as one of 31 methods that his
          captors used to break a prisoner’s will. “Sleeplessness befogs the
          reason, undermines the will, and the human being ceases to be himself,
          to be his own ‘I,’” Solzhenitsyn writes.]

          http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/how-sleep-deprivation-decays-the-mind-and-body/282395/

          • aegerprimo

            To me, the Hole is equivalent to the 3 women kept for 10 years in a Cleveland house…
            http://gawker.com/3-women-missing-for-10-years-rescued-from-cleveland-hom-493221621
            You just don’t do that to people, deprive them of food, sleep, decency…

            • Miss Tia

              I think of those 3 women often, especially this past Christmas. No one knew they were there, and he even went to some of the vigils. It’s just beyond belief.

            • aquaclara

              My heart breaks for these three women in Cleveland. I pray that they will have a peaceful night’s sleep, away from fear, away from pain, away from nightmares.

            • SandiCorrena

              Michelle was on Dr. Phil to tell her story; she is amazingly strong – that poor girl wasn’t even really being looked for. I didn’t expect her to be so strong or outspoken but she spoke at the trail too; amazing! All of them!

            • Jon Hendry

              And Michelle got the worst of it. There the longest, treated the worst.

            • SandiCorrena

              She did – I am just astounded by her ______ & I don’t even know the right word-maybe resilience?

          • Annee

            THDNE – just adding my two cents – thank you for contributing info helpful to people new to the Sci story. Not so long ago, I was someone who immediately jumped in with “WTF? Why would people fall for this crap?” It takes a while for some to realize the indoctrination involved with sucking people in.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              It’s a whole other world. Really, I’ve worked with veterans of wars. Still, there just is nothing like scientology world. Nothing I have ever come across. And I never got into the worst of it but I can tell you, in these last couple years, coming back to the blogs and trying to help, it brings back haunted souls in my mind. shivers

              It’s not that big of a problem perhaps for a law to be changed, but it Is well funded And it has lasted enough decades. It is just one of many like it that are headquartered specifically in the US to take advantage of well intentioned but lopsided laws that need to be changed. Hopefully someday soon we will have the political will to correct this. In the meantime, it is up to all of us to to inform and educate and warn.

        • Artoo45

          No, it’s the long, slow boil. When you first get into the pot, the water is perfect.

          • Clamation

            Unless you have an education, which the scilons actively discourage

      • Clamation

        Sleep deprivation is a military-grade interogation technique, it breaks almost everyone

        • Science Doc

          I knew a few old friends who went through military SEAR school in Warner Springs, not terribly far from Hemet. Everyone breaks after a few days, which is your principal lesson.

    • Suzy

      The way TD grovels and self-flagellates has an uncomfortable, S&M kinkiness to it. Makes my skin crawl.

      • Cat Daddy

        I always said that DM could make his cult a BDSM club

        Maybe it is what turns Laurissa on and the other faghags

      • ThetaBara

        You know that Jessica was his sec-checker, right? And they left their respective partners to be together. Who falls in love with their sec checker? A masochist, perhaps?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Thank you! Exactly. And what I’ve been saying about those few still in. If they were in for the wins, they would have left after the third denigration of do overs and pay overs. They are their for the pain or profits.

    • Artoo45

      I actually felt compassion for TD. That self abasement, it was so close to my relationship with my Borderline ex. Of course, TD is an obnoxious martinet, but he really didn’t have much of a choice being brought up by his harridan of a mother in an abusive cult. Hey, Tommy, it gets better when you’re free.

  • stillgrace2

    I made Blackberry Cobbler tonight in honor of Mike Rinder (for saving his Blackberry memory card) and Tony O. for providing a venue where we could read its contents. (refresh)

    • Clamation

      “I made Blackberry Cobbler tonight in honor of Mike Rinder for saving his Blackberry memory card”

      This is part of why the Bunker is so awesome!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      That is AWESOME!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That’s too beautiful to eat.

      • stillgrace2

        It was pretty funny, THDNE.
        Mr. Grace: “What the HECK is that?”
        Me: “New recipe, dear. Alphabet Cobbler.”
        Son: “Hey Mom, you shoulda used the Batman Cookie Cutter!”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I am so falling on the floor. Mr Hole came over, wot? saw it, now I’m picking him up.
          Thanks for this.

          • aquaclara

            It hurts laughing this hard!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              me too. Running off to bathroom now. Stillgrace wins the Lulz prize for the day and there were some real doozies.

        • Artoo45

          Epic epilog is epic.

    • Science Doc

      I pressed “share” but downloading a slice was not one of my options.

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s not just cobbler, it’s caek!!!

    • aegerprimo

      SSWWWEEEEEEEEET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Hobson’sChoice

      Well… we know that Mr. Miscavige certainly won’t want a taste. It might stain his pearly whites. I can see him lying in his tanning bed — pulling his lips back and exposing his teeth to the ultraviolet light… thinking “Bleach baby bleach!. Daddy has to open a new Org tomorrow. Gotta look good for the cameras. Curse that blackberry pie!”

      • SandiCorrena

        I was thinking after reading todays Bunker he may be tucked in bed wearing his superman jammies sucking his thumb while Lou reads fairytales of his greatness to him; of course his thumb is probably soaked in scotch.

        • Hobson’sChoice

          Sandi… just one correction: ‘he may be tucked in his crib”.

    • Qbird

      absolutely delightful stillgrace2 ~ yum.

    • aquaclara

      Omg, Stillgrace, this is BEAUTIFUL.

      And tasty!

      Hugs, sweetie!

      • Hobson’sChoice

        Careful of those hugs, Stillgrace. Aquaclara might be reaching around to still a piece of that cobbler! (Awesome cookie thief technique!) :-) Blackberry cobbler and the New Year! All we need now is another Debbie Cook email to ring us in loud and clear.

        • stillgrace2

          I’m looking forward to a spectacular day in court on Wednesday!

          • Hobson’sChoice

            Me too!

            • Artoo45

              Me three.

        • aquaclara

          Oh you….Thanks for giving me way, Hobby! ;)

          I am just in awe of her cobbler! Anything I put on the top of mine just sinks!

    • Artoo45

      Perfection needs no praise in its perfection . . . and that is perfect.

    • Captain Howdy

      WUNDERBAR! Y’all.

    • pronoia

      I just refreshed and cannot believe my eyes! Best laugh I’ve had in a week — and there have been a lot lately!

    • Miss Tia

      That is awesome cobbler tech there!! :)

      • Sir_Real

        “Cobbler tech” LMFAO, gotta love it!!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Thanks for the laugh! Food AND on topic, I’m sold! Shut up and take my money.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Did you notice the symbology with the three interlocking circles? don’t forget to leave a tip.

    • ParticleMom

      I just love this and keep coming back to it. It inspired me to bake, even. Nothing so clever, just apple cake.

      You know you are obsessed when…

    • IBBy

      All of the internets are belong to you! Laughed so hard I woke the dogs up!

    • Natalia M

      You are awesome!

    • OrangySky

      Brilliant!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I think there may be some confusion as to the relative seniority or rank of the various ecclesiastical leaders.

    Captain David Miscavige, Poop of scientology, is just beneath the actual Pope.

    • Great White Clam

      Right. Beneath. In a two-story outhouse…….

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Well, sometimes you are on the Throne, sometimes you are in the hole…

        • aquaclara

          Michael, you just crack me up. :)

        • Hobson’sChoice

          In Scientology…. literally… the hole! :-) Awesome pun!

    • Anonymous

      Yes, but does the Pope poop in the woods?

  • Seannie5

    What a vile man Davey is. There isn’t an ounce of humanity in him. but what an AMAZING and detailed look at the behaviour of the man behind the curtain. He descends into throwing a tantrum like a teenage girl would to a friend [YS YS YS YS YS!!!!!!!!!!/ CSMF] How can anybody read that and be proud that this is the man who leads them. He’s ripe to be made fun of. JFC!

    *(no offence to teen age girls, at least it’s age appropriate when they act like that)

    “They are now in Griffith Pk with Tori Christman Bezzazian another total nutcase who had a restraining order against her.”
    HAHA, what a compliment. Congrats Tory!

    • Hobson’sChoice

      S5…. it reminds me of the cases I’ve read about regarding online bullying with grade school and high school kids.

      • Seannie5

        Parts of it remind me of drunk texts from somebody who found out their boyfriend or girlfriend had been cheating/lying to them. You might start out with the intention of being real cool and collected but your temper gets the better of you and you fire off insults. The next morning you look at your phone and go “OMFG – kill me now!”.
        In all seriousness, it was really nasty to read. He’s not right in the head.

      • Artoo45

        I lived with someone who suffered from Borderline Personality Disorder for 12 years. My heart kind of broke for Rinder and even Davis reading those entreating, supplicating replies to Mindscavenge’s abusive tirades. I lived that shit. As with all things Scientological, they’re funny, but they’d be funnier if the damage wasn’t so awful.

        • Hobson’sChoice

          Ditto! ‘entreating and supplicating’ – a very bad place to be!

        • stillgrace2

          The technical term for connection to a BPD is “walking on glass”.

          • midatlanticcoast

            Or “walking on eggshells”. An evil psych once told me that one of the ways you can tell if you’re dealing with a BPD is that after you deal with them you feel like YOU are crazy.

        • aquaclara

          12 years. So sorry, Artoo. Hope you’re in a much better spot now!

  • Artoo45

    Dear Bunkerites, I’m so very sorry I’m late to the fray, but weekend work kept me from participating in this very important cycle. I am an out ethics worm. ML, Artoo45

    Holy shit are these hilarious, terrifying, sad and insane! The whole chain starts out as internal comm between people discussing the whole plan to discredit Sweeny, then the whole thing turns into this weird self-aggrandizing opus on how great cob is. It’s like Mindscavenge suddenly got sooper paranoid and decided that these were being intercepted or something. But reading these, man, it’s like christmas all over again!

    • Hobson’sChoice

      I read ‘out ethics worm’ and immediately started humming that children’s tune.. “inch worm, inch worm”. So, totally RANDOM!

      • Suzy

        Ethics worm, ethics worm
        Measuring the overts

    • Science Doc

      I can hurl invective at you for being a CI slacker if it will make you feel much love.

      • aegerprimo

        CI slacker is incorrect syntax. The proper is CICS

        • Science Doc

          I try not to call someone a CS until we have a well calibrated understanding of each other’s sense of humor

          • aegerprimo

            Very wise.

          • pronoia

            As if there is anything wrong with csing. I mean who cares and each to his or her own etc.

    • Great White Clam

      Many of these messages gush on obscenely about the dwarf. Is this footbullet tech, these messages of deep praise for COB underscoring his importance in mundane clam affairs? There are many earlier similar incidents of over-blown praise for the dwarf that permeate many clam publications.

      After reading these messages, how can anyone have empathy for the clam cult? All that’s left is the disintegration and degeneration of the cult according to well-known thermodynamic laws and principles of the clam-called “MEST” universe. The clam cult has obviously seen its better days and the remaining days appear to be in short supply.

      Mr. David MESTcabbage might do well to reserve a fully fueled standby jet for Bulgravia.

    • Anonymous

      It shows the deep, deep level of depravity within the culture of the church.

      The narcissist-in-chief has the sycophants convinced that THEY will suffer if HE falls.

      • Ardent

        Exactly! Depraved is the perfect term.

      • grundoon

        “The narcissist-in-chief has the sycophants convinced that THEY will suffer if HE falls.”

        That is official on-source policy of the Chruch of Scientology. L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

        When you’re close to power, get some delegated to you – enough to do your job and protect yourself and your interests – for you can be shot, fellow, shot, as the position near power is delicious but dangerous, dangerous always, open to the taunts of any enemy of the power who dare not really boot the power but can boot you. So to live at all in the shadow or employ of a power, you must yourself gather and USE enough power to hold your own – without just nattering to the power to “kill Pete,” in straightforward or more suppressive veiled ways to him as these wreck the power that supports yours. He doesn’t have to know all the bad news and if he’s a power really he won’t ask all the time, “What are all those dead bodies doing at the door?” And if you are clever, you never let it be thought HE killed them – that weakens you and also hurts the power source. “Well, boss, about all those dead bodies, nobody at all will suppose you did it. She over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn’t like me.” “Well,” he’ll say if he really is a power, “why are you bothering me with it if it’s done and you did it. Where’s my blue ink?” Or “Skipper, three shore patrolmen will be along soon with your cook, Dober, and they’ll want to tell you he beat up Simson.” “Who’s Simson?” “He’s a clerk in the enemy office downtown.” “Good, when they’ve done it, take Dober down to the dispensary for any treatment he needs. Oh yes. Raise his pay.” Or “Sir, could I have the power to sign divisional orders?” “Sure.”

        And lastly and most important, for we all aren’t on the stage with our names in lights, always push power in the direction of anyone on whose power you depend. It may be more money for the power, or more ease, or a snarling defense of the power to a critic, or even the dull thud of one of his enemies in the dark, or the glorious blaze of the whole enemy camp as a birthday surprise. If you work like that and the power you are near or depend upon is a power that has at least some inkling about how to be one, and if you make others work like that, then the power-factor expands and expands and expands and you too acquire a sphere of power bigger than you would have if you worked alone. Real powers are developed by tight conspiracies of this kind pushing someone up in whose leadership they have faith. And if they are right and also manage their man and keep him from collapsing through overwork, bad temper or bad data, a kind of Juggernaut builds up. Don’t ever feel weaker because you work for somebody stronger. The only failure lies in taxing or pulling down the strength on which you depend. All failures to remain a power’s power are failures to contribute to the strength and longevity of the work, health and power of that power.
        – HCO PL 12 FEBRUARY 1967 – THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF LEADERS

        This is David Miscavige’s favorite policy. Jefferson Hawkins and our host Tony Ortega recently discussed its importance here.

        • Anonymous

          We think alike. I posted this earlier on the same day:

          “The Simon Bolivar “policy” is hereby labeled as Evidence Item A for Scientology being a bona fide cult.”

          And this, also on the same day:

          “In Scientology, protecting the current tyrant (first Hubbard, now Miscavige) is objective # 1.

          That is why Scientology is a cult.

          The primary purpose of the organization is supplying personal benefit to it’s leadership, not its membership.”

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Sociopaths who stumble upon these messages are going to be so jelly.

      • Clamation

        LOL!

  • Hobson’sChoice

    Can someone tell me who the ‘Bob’ and ‘Bill’ are in the below text?

    No handlings has yet appeared on that and cob knows he’s on his own and can expect nobody in the church to defend him at all and may get his own attorney to write bbc and clarify for them that neither of you two speak for him in any way shape or form. You have so far brushed this off as “we know we have to handle” and in 24 hours haven’t given a single specific. You were supposed to have bob and bill involved in this cycle and dropped both as no doubt you couldn’t care and now you are behind the a8 ball non stop at midnight east coast time. .

    • Snippy_X

      a wild guess – bob adams?

      • Hobson’sChoice

        I dunno. But knowing who they are will give some clue to at what level he calls in other executives or lawyers on these overt operations (I think).

      • Captain Howdy

        That’s probably a yes.

        • Snippy_X

          Luv ur avatar there, Capn Howdy :)

    • Hobson’sChoice

      I’ll check for answers in the morning. I can always re-post question. I’ve got to call it a night. Hubby is patting my side of the bed which is my cue. (He thinks it is subtle. Ahhh the sweet man.) :-)

    • pronoia

      I figured they were a couple of film-editor types at Gold. I bet Marc Headley or Jeff Hawkins know. Or the more obvious person would be Mike Rinder himself!

    • Espiando

      Bob might be Bob Adams, but I’m sure that Bill is our old buddy Bill Yaude.

      • grundoon

        I thought Yaude was a public Scientologist. DM probably doesn’t know him from Adam.

  • Ardent

    Wow. I have a feeling the judge will be reading this with a dropped jaw, and growing anger toward the cult and their legal team. I sure hope so. I have had to stop reading the abusive text messages: just so beyond nasty and crazy.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Tomass Davass, butt boy of Davey Miscavige. Tomass relaying to Slappy Rinder and Tomass’ Sweeney contact.
    .
    The point of Msicabige’s ‘praise me, did you praise me, did you have others praise me’ is basic basic in $cilon strategy: the battle plan against “the Journalists” is to counter the negative information about the leader that Sweeney is asking about. If the negative question from Sweeney would be regarding Miscavige ‘hitting people,’ then the counter is “needed” to be stated (1) to the Journalist and then (2) do everything to make it so the Journalist will ‘repeat that statement’ in the story, as the ‘other side.’
    .
    Hubbard demanded that kind of tactic; and Miscavige copies the battle plans of Hubbard to the letter. Remember that Miscavige isn’t looking for praise from Tommy/Mike people; they are slugs to him, degraded beings. He is making sure they are following the game plan.
    .
    Tommy-boy: [told Sweeney about Captain Miscavige] “… I have never seen anyone work harder or more hours and is, as well, the kindest, most genuine, caring individual I know. I’ve repeatedly stated how he is always in the public eye on publoic streets, talking to anyone who approaches him at org openings, or wherever he is.
    .
    “In fact, nothing has gotten more of a rise out of me and gotten me more in his [John Sweeney BBC] face than when he brings up these allegations about C o B. I have never let him level an allegations once, without junping down his throat viciously.
    .
    “And I had Anne [Tommy mommy] and all the Celebs and Scientologists who were interviewed, backing that up as well. As they all said the best things you could imagine about C o B, how approachable he is, and kind; and they would laugh in Sweeney’s face when he would say the crap about C o B.
    .
    Psycho-Davie M.: “Thanks. Glad to hear it. I assume you videod these good things and aren’t going to leave it to chance? In other words, somebody should be putting together compilation reels and sending them to this guy so he can’t “forget” they [all the good things] were said or “he missed them in all the footage he had”. [I want] Some plan.”
    .
    Once a little runt punk sophomore in High School in So. Jersey/Philly, Dave Miscavige doesn’t disappoint: some people don’t change.

    • Hobson’sChoice

      MaxSpace, thank you! Good explanation and, at least, makes things a little clearer. Ya know….. a method to the madness… kind ‘o thing.

    • Miss Tia

      In his mind, when cob is watching the highlight reel of them saying nice things about him, he’s thinking ‘they like me they really like me’ and the self-delusion continues.

    • Anonymous

      This is right on the money. They are operating directly and step-by-step from the ancient Hubbard PR playbook and are afraid to do otherwise.

      It is almost sad to read the text messages as these folks try to implement Hubbard’s fixed ideas about PR and journalists in an age of dynamic, interactive reporting. “Filling a vacuum” with provable lies that have nothing but transitory value virtually assures that those lies will eventually be called out.

      With the internet there are thousands, and in some cases millions of people that can / will catch you lying.

      And even if your sycophants give you a pass, the general public will not.

      That is will Scientology does not grow.

      The broad population knows the truth about the organization and avoids it as if it were a dreaded disease.

    • Annee

      Max – in your opinion, whose opinion counts for Dinky Man? Top 3, perhaps.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Dave
        Dave
        Lou

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          oh my.

        • OrangySky

          Yet he hates, hates, HATES to be mocked! That’s how sick he is – and how fragile his sense of self is. There is NO sense of self. It’s all a construct. A sociopathic personality under the shell of a cult constructed persona under the shell of a sociopathic dictator persona. There is no “There” there – AT ALL. Nothing. Nada.
          Anyone with REAL power would care very little if he/she was shopped or mocked, if he/she was indeed 100% secure in his/her rightness. He’s sure on the outside, but underneath he’s the runt of the litter with asthma terrified that he’s going to be beat on by the bigger kids and burning with rage and vengeance because of it.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Yes, O Sky, tru dat no doubt
            .
            And the same exact things you said could be said of Hubbard. He invented the J&D’ing policy letter/response-to-being mocked!! Two psychopathic monsters in a row, running $cientology Inc.!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Long day. I’ll just have to leave off with this after rereading the text about the cameras Miscavige asked about.

    “Alright, Mr Davis, I’m ready for my close up”

    http://youtu.be/zIcC8YJrevQ

  • Clamation

    I know this may have been posted already, but just for emphasis (clip from above texts)

    “tommy has been more around cob than anybody”

    • Great White Clam

      lol I momentarily read that as “tommy has been around more cob than anybody”

  • BigMcLargeHuge

    We meed a dramatic reading of the texts a la those commercials with James Earl Jones and Malcolm McDowell.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      A Public Service Announcement! I’d pay to see that commercial. Okay, I only have $10 but I’m there.

    • Captain Howdy

      Yes, a video with Marc as “D.M”, Tory as “Lou” and Rinder playing himself and Tony playing “T.D”.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        All but Tory as Lou. Tory couldn’t stop giggling. How about …. I’m stuck.

        • pronoia

          Karen#1?

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Maybe. Wait, how about Cap’n Howdy?

            • pronoia

              Haha! Even better.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              He has the costumes and the darkside. If nothing else, may the TomKat project can use this for material for “TomKat II, It Really IS Worse Than You Think”.

            • Captain Howdy

              I always have the dark..cut to scene from “Blue Velvet” of Frank Booth intoning “now it’s dark” from Blue Velvet.

            • Captain Howdy

              NO THDNE NO! …cut to the scene with Edmond O’Brien refusing in horror to the suggestion of him being considered a candidate in the quest for Statehood in the film “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance”

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              perfecto.

        • Ruby

          Leah?

          • Robert Eckert

            Leah Remini as Laurisse, Jason Beghe as Mike Rinder

      • pronoia

        Time for a sequel to the TomKat Diaries. (brow – totally off-topic but there is location catering / food service company in NYC called TomKat and I giggle every time I see one of their trucks)

    • Snippy_X

      I think it was a scene from Nancy Many’s movie. Miscavige was talking and Lou was walking a step behind and transmitting his words with a 3 second delay. Nancy commented on how bizarre it was that Lou could listen to him and speak his words right back out at almost the same time. I think she said something like “but she had been doing it so long …” Fuzzy bells?

    • chukicita

      This is the best idea ever.

    • Zana

      They need to be put to music. :-)

  • Ester

    So, I boiled the stuff Miscavige said down to this (be forewarned, concentrated evil):

    “Are you this fucking nuts (beyond just sp)
    And is this guy’s body now many new (torn worn to wall) assholes?
    Screw that. Were these ass rippings on camera?
    Any other details you Generality infested CSMF? [cock-sucking motherfucker]
    Now answer my comm you CICS! [counter-intentioned cocksucker]
    The “do you still beat your wife” was an example of how the questions should be phrased and not what the question would be.
    You 2 were just ack ack ack
    YS! [you suck] Do you realize everyone of my mssgs are longer than yours.
    You really are just sp [suppressive person] aren’t you?
    You just can’t work or do can you? YS YS YS YS YS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Make sure he knows what the acronym CICS [counter-intentioned cocksucker] means as that’s exactly what he’s proving by even REFUSING to answer a comm!
    he’s gtng the message to me when he wants after 10 motherfucking nudges.
    CICS [counter-intentioned cocksucker] — the term was originated when the first DNA of a slug was scene by the first sloth.
    Glad he has the derivation of cics do you enjoy being his adopted son?
    Obviously somebody is spreading more bullshit about the rpf [Rehabilitation Project Force, the Sea Org's prison detail] but you neeed to double ensure secuirty is tight in those buildings as they could try to send somebody in with a hidden camera which is the last thing you need.
    This dungeon bit is desperation and the same crap we’ve disproven a billion times.
    Tommy has been more around cob than anybody and he’s gone so pts”

    • Ester

      Just to highlight what an “ecclesiastical” person we are dealing with, or rather, a complete psychopath

    • Unex Skcus

      “Tommy has been more around cob than anybody…”

      Absolute bullshit. Tommy swore on oath in his deposition that he rarely has ‘comms’ with Dear Sir.

      And that’s a FACT. ( just ask Unex Xenu)

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    Dear Sir. My favorite part of these communications is the care you take to ensure that the recipients understand your acronyms. I see this as a display of your thoughtfulness, compassion and patience for those who serve you and your church. I think it goes without saying, but when a lesser ecclesiastical leader calls their subordinate a cocksucker, they too disguise it in an acronym, but would they take the time and care to make sure the recipient fully understands that they are being called a cocksucker? I dare say no. This is just one of your many leadership traits that truly distinguishes you from any other religious leader. Best of luck with your deposition, you CICS.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thank you for this post, JimmyT.

    • Unex Skcus

      “Dear Sir”…. thank you for you kind words… “Much Love”….

    • OrangySky

      Brilliant. This is OK. Much love, your favorite CICS, Orangy.

  • USA MRIID

    Goat that fucker good, did we!

  • Cunning Stunt

    Cap’n Punch texts like HSCOHB!

    Do we have any criminal, degraded psychs on board who can explain this man’s obsession with CICSers and SCOfamousstreetcorners? Because he seems to have a serious preoccupation with the act of sucking. It’s kind of Freudian, no?

    And not that we needed any more evidence to support the fact that DM is a raging nutbag, but did anyone else notice how some of these texts would start out semi-normal and then just disintegrate into full on crazy?? It’s like “Thanks. Blah blah blah, words, words, words, FUCKING BATSHIT PSYCHOTIC BREAK YSYSYSYSYSASFDFDSALKJFSAasdflksfd;dsafsfa!!! YSCOHB!”

    I would love to see him on twitter just for pure entertainment value. COB, SIR, please show @Pontifex how it’s really done!

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I kinda read it as DM dictating it to Lou, and he was furious but Lou was tamping it down a little… and then at some point it’s like, “Let me see what you’ve typed so far.. NO! NO! NO that’s not how I said it!!!” *grabs the BlackBerry and starts mashing the keys”

      • Cunning Stunt

        The mental image of Slappy snatching the Blackberry away and bashing his fist down on the keys is soooo real to me right now. lol Now that you mention it, I can see it as Lou attempting to translate his sociopathy into something more professional. But as I was reading, it just came off as a mentally ill person working themselves into a pant-wetting hissy fit.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          At least some of them start off rather calm, but disapproving, and then fly off the handle. The YS YS YS etc one especially. My favorite.

          • Cunning Stunt

            That one is my fave too. On another note, the one I found the saddest was from Mike, aplogising for being inept with the BlackBerry. And then of course DM goes on to praise that asshat Tommy Davis for texting and driving. He really pit those two against each other, as I’m sure he does constantly with anyone in reach.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Headline: “Pope Supports Texting While Driving. No, Not That Pope”

            • Cunning Stunt

              HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You, SIR, have won the internet tonight with that.

      • Captain Howdy

        Sir, I believe you are correct, ML from my studded leather glove.

    • Zana

      I wonder if he will be able to control himself from going bat-shit-crazy in front of the judge… or whether he’s just looney tunes enough to sound off. And that’s probably why he knows he cannot show up in any deposition anywhere.

      • Cunning Stunt

        Oh fully!! There’s no way that gas bag could be on the stand for more than 5 minutes without leaking crazy all over the shop. Bring on the footbullet lulz! And heck, bring Lou along too! I’d like to see them both deposed.

        • Zana

          Love this quote: “leaking crazy all over the shop.”

          Very articulate. Well said. :-)

  • Appeti

    Tony, would you consider uploading these text threads, but with the time stamps included, on Scribed?
    I want to analyze DM’s pattern of involvement :)

    • Robert Eckert

      He was saying the Sunday Funnies post may have links to the full documents (if glitches are overcome; there were some technical difficulties with handling the documents earlier)

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Oh my, Sunday Funnies may not be so funny after all. This is so sick.

  • My name is Larry Lester

    Wow! Look at how they
    operate their business. So much focus on
    ‘handling’ (BBC) Yet (DM) clearly believes they (Scio) aren’t doing anything
    wrong and simply the alleged results and benefits of scio should reflect his..

    Why ‘Handle’ something which doesn’t exist. Better (in
    business) to direct energy into building that business not worrying about opposition,
    and nasty comments etc. Loose focus, get
    angry then get hit, cause you didn’t see it coming..! It is a choice. What dumbass’s.

    The one thing that is clear is the entrepreneurial mind set.
    They believe they are a law unto themselves. At least until they wind up in court. Scio cant keep this up.

    DM must laugh. The
    suck up responses from TD and MR are pathetic.
    Who would take these as sincere, rather they are scared stiff of DM.

    I can just imagine MR and TD sitting in the car. ‘Im not speaking to DM. Well im not either. You do it ..no you.

    One thing is for sure.
    This is better than TV and our Annie Archer (Tong Ortega) deserves the equivalent
    of an Academy Award.

    Great stuff!

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Rinder was kissing ass, then 6 years later he’s in a helicopter, no longer kissing ass. It’s funny how people change, right?

      • Cat Daddy

        overlayed cult personality wearing of

        Hubbard built it well

      • Zana

        He’s amazing. To do what he has done and is doing now is nothing short of heroic.

      • My name is Larry Lester

        Im not saying Rinder is bad. I believe he has changed his opinion only ( ie Scientology). I don’t believe he has stopped kissing ass

    • Zana

      Yes! Tony Ortega deserves an award!!! !!!!!!!! (I’m succumbing to Explanation Mark Syndrome on that one.)

  • Sydjazz

    Come this has to do something. At least add more fuel to the fire under miscaviges butt. In other news will smith says r.i.p to his co star uncle phil. R.i.p? Thought scions didn’t belive in that

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    The Scientology joke on SNL replaying now EST on NBC

  • SciWatcher

    I hadn’t noticed it before, but in that picture of DM, he kind of looks like Pinocchio. His nose seems to have started to grow.

  • Artoo45

    I’m not prone to paranoia, but this was on all three bills the bank gave me today . . .

  • Snippy_X

    Protesters film a Flag security guy on phone with a “David.” The $cilon is being a good foul mouthed homophobic bully, in Miscavige’s image.

    Hey David, gotta go see … a bunch of these cocksucking idiots … Yeah I mean if security let me I’d probably beat the shit out of them. There’s one little faggot here …

    http://youtu.be/zxBpv1lZZK0?t=39s

  • Lady Squash

    What an ass, and I’m talking about DM. It comes through loud and clean. And what really chaps my hid is how polite Rinder is required to be with the MLs and the Dear Sirs, and DM can be a total dickwad. If that isn’t a suppressive mind fuck I don’t know what is.

    • Sue

      I found it quite upsetting reading those texts. That man abused, humiliated and belittled Mike Rinder, in particular, and, to a lesser extent, Tommy Davis and they were completely unable to defend themselves. That really is one sick, abusive organisation and the sooner someone puts a stop to Miscavige’s savage treatment of his underlings, the better. I never thought I’d feel sorry for Tommy Davis, but as I was reading those texts I did.

  • KNMF

    Reading through these texts again. Just stunned at the whole tail-chasing waste of time, energy and humanity.

    It boggles the mind that any group operates like this. The petulance of Miscavige is…it is just off the charts, cartoonish.

  • john sweeney

    The Church of Scientology says that its Pope, David Miscavige, is admired by all. But this Dalek seems to disagree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLI1Al3S_pE
    The Church of Scientology says that this Dalek is ‘psychotic, a bigot and a liar’

    • DodoTheLaser

      Everyone and their phone are psychotic according to Hubbard and his “church”.

      You are in a good company, John!

      Thank you for writing The Church Of Fear: http://www.amazon.com/The-Church-Fear-Inside-Scientology-ebook/dp/B00AQY300M

      Happy 2014!

    • Natalia M

      Hilarious!

    • hansje brinker

      I was so glad that you shown this fragment in your documentary. I realized that something was very bad in my church. Now, I am out of this insane/ psychotic “church” and you did helped. Thank you!

      • Unex Skcus

        Well done, mate. May you have an awesome 2014, and enjoy the rest of your life without those sick bastards.

        • hansje brinker

          Thank you! Indeed, life is much better.
          You also a great 2014.

          • shasha40

            3 Cheers , Hip Hip Hooray !

            • hansje brinker

              Haha, Thanks!

          • aquaclara

            Well, we pretty much guarantee there are more laughs to be found on this side of the cult! (The OUT side). :)

            Congratulations!

            • hansje brinker

              Thanks!

    • Unex Skcus

      Mr Sweeney, I hereby anoint you as an “honorary Aussie”. May the Force Daleks be with you.

  • Unex Skcus

    John Sweeney was just awesome in the Panorama special – and I take my hat off to the BBC for being brave enough to run it. I bought JS’s book, and thought that it was pretty gutsy to tell the story “warts and all”. Re-reading the texts of the msgs behind the scenes, I am still flabbergasted by the viciousness of it all.

    One of my fav moments was when JS was interviewing Anne Archer:

    AA: “Do I look brainwashed to you?”
    JS : (rolls his eyes a bit, purses his lips, but says nothing – so British)
    AA: “HOW DARE YOU!”

    http://youtu.be/M3ecx_6xOaU?t=2m36s

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I’m a fan of John Sweeney as well. It’s a shame, I’ll probably never get a chance to tell him.

      • DodoTheLaser

        You just did. I am pretty sure John reads The Bunker as we speak.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I doubt that, but that’s a kind reassurance. Thank you, Dodo.

          • DodoTheLaser

            His latest post is directly below, 37 minutes ago. :)

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Well, I’ll be damned. Now I’m too embarrassed to say anything.

            • DodoTheLaser

              It’s ok. Don’t be. And thank you for some really great posts!

              My favorite today from you:

              “Dear Sir. My favorite part of these communications is the care you take
              to ensure that the recipients understand your acronyms. I see this as a
              display of your thoughtfulness, compassion and patience for those who
              serve you and your church. I think it goes without saying, but when a
              lesser ecclesiastical leader calls their subordinate a cocksucker, they
              too disguise it in an acronym. But would they take the time and care to
              make sure the recipient fully understands that they are being called a
              cocksucker? I dare say no. This is just one of your many leadership
              traits that truly distinguishes you from any other religious leader.
              Best of luck with your deposition, you CICS.”

              http://tonyortega.org/2014/01/04/monique-rathbun-files-for-sanctions-submits-scientology-leaders-foul-mouthed-texts/#comment-1187424891

            • Unex Skcus

              Yep, that was a ripper by Jx3

        • shasha40

          He sure.does ! Honorary mention in SP 2013 Awards ! We Love you John !

          • vistaril_LOL

            Mr Sweeney is always enturbulating on the interwebz!

      • Scream Nevermore

        I follow him on Twitter, and he does read and respond to messages.

      • OrangySky

        Yes, he’s a mensch on twitter.

  • Party Hull!

    “Wall to wall torn assholes”.

    Some spiritual shit right there. Amen.

    • Unex Skcus

      Does make one wonder what Captain Miscarriage watches… or practices?

  • Scream Nevermore

    I would really like to know why Darling Wee Savage is so fixated on sticking things up various arses. Not to mention public buggery. ‘Tis rather… strange…

    • Unex Skcus

      Tis rather… ecclesiastical?

      • ThetaBara

        Ecclesiasstical.
        FTFY

        • Unex Skcus

          Took me a minute to get that – LOL

        • aquaclara

          A great new word!

    • Sydjazz

      I heard he likes it lol

    • Bleuler

      Then again, we do not know how other religious leaders instruct their flock. For all we know Pope Francis is regularly calling the cardinals CSMFs.

      • Scream Nevermore

        Somehow, I don’t think so – apart from anything else, English isn’t his first language! ;-)

  • Unex Skcus

    Google/YouTube – YSCOHB.

    I cliked thru from a utube vid in these comments, then clicked a vid re Assange… and copped this f*cking ad:

  • DodoTheLaser

    I can only imagine what kind of text messages were flying between Tommy Davis and “Lou”, during the “Going Clear” book by Lawrence Wright evolution. That’s when Tommy took a still ongoing vacation from the Sea Org.
    By the way, the book is in Top 10 in 2013 non-fiction category: http://www.amazon.com/Going-Clear-Scientology-Hollywood-Prison/dp/0307700666/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0

    • OrangySky

      Aren’t text messages subpoena-able – at least in criminal cases? They are on record with the phone companies?

      • Silence of the Clams

        Yes. But the question is….who owns the phone? Who typed the texts?

    • shasha40

      I would Love to see those ! ” Going Clear , showing SP’s and wogs around the world how to be Upstat ! ”

  • DodoTheLaser

    What’s with “Rinder appeared shockingly gaunt in Sweeney’s footage” allegations?
    Mike Rinder simply volunteered for a special ecclesiastical diet while in a HOLEy Chamber, I am sure. Pfft.

  • Sydjazz

    http://youtu.be/rFRSt_viosc had to remind myself of the doco. Gees i feel so sorry for john sweeney :(

  • Sydjazz
  • Great White Clam

    $cientology. Putting BATSHIT in BATSHITCRAZY since 43,891,832,611,177 years, 344 days, 10 hours, 20 minutes and 40 seconds from 10:02½ PM Daylight Greenwich Time May 9, 1963

  • KateFree

    Interesting to see the way the “pope” of Scientology expresses his directives.

  • john sweeney

    One admission from me: I wanted to give a copy of my novel, Elephant Moon, to Tommy Davis. in 2012 I tracked him down to his fancy condo somewhere in Texas. The staff wouldn’t let me in because after going to Trementina Base with Marc Headley – on Twitter @blownforgood – in New Mexico I was covered in dust and looked like a hobo.

    No-one has picked up on it, but when the heroine in Elephant Moon challenges the baddy towards the end, she is extraordinarily angry with him… I couldn’t think how to express her anger, and then I found myself writing: ‘You were not there…’ (It’s Chapter 16.)

    Elephant Moon is available here, http://www.amazon.com/ELEPHANT-MOON-John-Sweeney-ebook/dp/B00C2UORQ4/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1388939576&sr=1-1&keywords=elephant+moon

    It’s sold around 7,000 in the UK, and is currently 49 in the UK kindle chart, but nothing in the USA. Bunkerites might not be into elephants and love stories against the odds in Japanese-occupied Burma in 1942. But Elephant Moon also happens to contain a challenge to Pope Miscavige’s agent…

    Once again, Happy New Year, and thanks for all your lovely comments

    • Techie

      Elephant Moon ordered and anticipated. Thanks for your work, it has exposed so much that was hidden or unbelievable to the outside world.

    • HyperionCorp

      John,

      Come join us in today’s article by Tony (the Sunday Funnies):

      http://tonyortega.org/2014/01/05/sunday-funnies-scientology-charges-into-the-new-year/

    • vistaril_LOL

      I’ll check that out – and your Church of Fear, keep on roaring!

      Maybe Captn Davey will read it one day in some supermax prison:D

    • OrangySky

      It’s a beautiful novel. I’m going back to my iPad to find that section you talk about!

    • Jane

      I’ve been sending Church of Fear to friends for Christmas. Amazon UK ran out!!

    • Toni m

      Done, will start reading tonight.

    • http://www.askdescamp.com/ Robin Descamp

      I look forward to reading it! If I mail it to you will you sign a copy for me? Email me at robindescamp@yahoo.com

    • Candygram

      Will add it to my must-read list!

  • Silence of the Clams

    Well, I finally got done reading the depositions. I really don’t get the Scientology legal strategem. If the admission of these depositions was intended to (somehow) prove that there is no jurisdictional component to the Rathbun case….they failed.

    Interesting how poor and obscure the respondents answers were when it came to any causal or direct relationships to senior officials or Captain Miscarriage but mention Marty or Mike and it was a suddenly crystal clear. Their memories were remarkable.

    Oh, and “reports”? I’d like to thank Tommy for the epic fail. He was never aware of a report going to the Captain and seemed bemused by the concept. Then, later in the deposition, Jeffrey has him agreeing that “reports” are quite commonplace. It seems reports are the norm at the ‘church’ (cough). But the Captian of the organization never receives a single one anyone is aware of. YS Tommy. And then the gift that keeps on giving won’t answer a direct question…that is until his lawyers ask questions. Then it’s all crystal clear again.

    I’m no judge but I can read and these guys are fucked. A settlement isn’t far off here. Obviously, we’d all love to see Monique take this to a jury trial but she’s going to get a huge settlement offer and really, who could blame her if she took the money?

    Happy New Year Davey! Looks like your gonna need to get those super powers in check.

    • Chee Chalker

      It will be interesting to see what the Co$ asks for in a settlement. Future radio silence from Marty? That’s all good and fine but Marty is not a party to this case. Monique can’t sign anything that guarantees Marty’s silence, only Marty can do that and I am not sure he would go quietly. Then again, you never know, but my point being that Marty is the one the Co$ wants to silence. That is the beauty of Monique as the plaintiff. The Co$ really stepped in it when they harassed a private citizen whose only connection was that her husband was a previous member of the cult

  • WhereIsSHE

    Well, I guess the answer to “Mirror, mirror, on the wall…Who is the most CICS (to COB) of them all?” has finally been revealed.

    Turns out, it’s COB himself:

    Talk about your “Freudian slips”:

    “As for the stupid allegation of being “aftraid” to see Sweeny, anybody who actually knows COB knows what a joke it is (and the people they’ve interviewed don’t know COB which you idiots already know! Even Jeff H — when has he ever seen me on the front lines?). COB works on church matters and where necessary reserves his public appointments where it counts — personally opening scores of churches, meeting government officials and others in high positions where his time is more valuable. Afraid? He’s met individuals from 10 Downing not to mention the home office. And in spain, some of the highest officials in their government. And in the US, with the IRS. And on and on and on — not to mention the public events I have held as in LA attended by virtually a who’s who in politics (leading congress women), law enforcement (sheriff of la), entertainment (all studio heads) and business (multi-billion dollar congolmerates). You’ve just gone PTS and not filled the vacuum as the fact is he barely sleeps AND YOU KNOW IT and doing this BBC thing because he’s trying to blackmail with threats of what lies he’ll spread is as obscene as it gets and a virtual guarantee it wouldn’t happen.

    “Me”, “I”….. WOW.

    Bag? The Cat is OUT.

    Link to the Motion for Sanctions??

    • Artoo45

      “Ack, Ack, Ack, he, Ack, Ack, Ack, I, Ack, Ack, Ack” . . . what a maroon. ML, R245.

  • http://www.askdescamp.com/ Robin Descamp

    Please stop posting these tasty tidbits – I am finding it impossible to tear myself away and I have much to do! The bowing and scraping by Davis and Rinder is pathetic. Talk about a “nail in the coffin:” these texts are proof positive Miscaviage controlled these types of operations, including the Rathbun fiasco.

    Are Mike and Marty out of the cult yet, or still independents? Because surely they must know by now that it’s all a steaming pile of bullshit.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Oddly enough (to me) it’s Rinder who still appears to have “the faith” as an indie.
      And Rathbun is going “past” $cientology, as he is giving a course online about “graduating” from $cientology and moving up a little higher in one’s exploration of things spiritual. Check out his Website.

  • Golden Age of Blech
  • gobsmackedby Scieno

    relieved to see these show up. one of my considerations about the Texas judge being able to render a wise decision is that Scieno org. practise is just so bizarre when reported verbally, it is very hard to believe it (until you spend time here and hear it over and over from different sources). To the average observer DMs behaviour is laughable and ridiculous, his insidous powers have to be proven. The beat goes on.

  • Slappy

    Gee! …and the COB seems like such a swell guy standing behind his podium and teleprompters …not a suppressive CSMF at all… :)

    • Bleuler

      Not generality infested at all?

      • Slappy

        Yeah, I’m an SP. Got me. ;-)

  • And I’m Cute, Too

    Whew… what a window into two terrified, enslaved minds, and one disgusting, tyrannic one.

    After reading these, I’m actually starting to feel sorry for Tommy Davis. His behaviour during the depositions is starting to make sense to me. After all, is this the crushing environment he always existed in as spokesman? He accepts all that venom and bile from Miscavige, admits how useless he is, says everything that the tyrant wants to hear, and Miscavige still berates and belittles him. Mini-Me really is impossible to please. I can only imagine how I might have turned out after working for a “man” like that, having to force my self into that self-abasing mindset.

    I don’t know whether Davis would have been a better, more honest man without Scientology or the Sea Org. I’m positive, though, that he would have been a happier one.

    • Toni m

      In the book A piece of blue sky Mr Atack wrote this dedication. “This book is dedicated to the memory of my mother, Dora, who left scientology on the day she was asked is she would disconnect from me”. Very simple dedication but it says wonders about this lady. When TD’s mom is going to wake up and defend her son? Why is she letting this shadow of a man treat her son like that? How she doesn’t see that something is terrible wrong? I know TD is a grown man but for a mother a son is a son even when he is 50 years old. I put a comment for TD “he is disgusting” I said and I say so because I can not understand how this young, healthy, intelligent man let himself to be use as a puppet for so long. Mr Rainder woke up and he is not a puppet any more for this little worm. He is now a happy new daddy with a beautiful family. I hope TD wake up too and with the support of his family he can get out of this sinking ship.
      TD is on “voluntary leave” but the deposition still shows him as a puppet.

      • Toni m

        Edit. Just a little more. When Mr Rinder left scientology he only had in his possession a briefcase (and the now famous blackberry phone). His family, his work, his dedication of more than 30 years was left behind. No money, no work. TD has a rich father and mother, his wife is with him and her family is wealthy too. Disconnection is keeping him inside? but, hey, he denied the existence of disconnection. So what is it. Masochist?

  • Exterrier

    Mike Rinder is a brave hero. Seriously. And those photos of him look so much like those gaunt emancipated photos I have from when my father was repatriated after being in a communist POW prison camp for 18 months. Actually, Rinder looks a little worse, because my father’s face, though gaunt, has a smile bespeaking of one returning to a life of freedom. Rinder’s shows the strain of a man trapped under in imaginable threat and pressure. I am proud for him that he has made his own freedom and joy in this world, and has the guts and responsibility to do what he has done in going back to kick in facade of the cult’s cruel, wicked leader, so others can be freed, and there be no more future victims. Mike is way more than making up for those years of lies and cruelty that he both suffered from and participated in. In fact, All has worked out for the best. A hero. And Monique is the Amazon Warrior DM should never, ever have taken on.
    If I can, I will find and post the prison camp photo for y’all.

  • Candygram

    I haven’t even read all this now, but omg omg omg! Mosey has guts… and brains. And, yea to Mike Rinder for reaching out to Sweeney and the FBI with those texts! I’m sure I’ll be back to fawn all over everyone some more, but I had to throw some confetti.

  • c_the_g

    The thing that strikes me about DM isn’t the depth of his micromanagement, it’s how awful that micromanagement is. Mike and Mr. Davis were doing almost precisely what he wanted, including groveling at his feet in just about every single exchange, and the only thing he gave them in return was an endless stream of profanity-laced whining. (Not to mention bizarre crap, such as the ersatz word clearing for “CICS”.)

    Of course, given what a foul-mouthed bastard LRH was, he’s probably the most on-source being on the planet in that regard.

  • Candygram

    I still haven’t time to read thru all this content and comments, but, before this article gets too old, i have to ask… so Miss Cabbage REALLY required Mike and minions to address him in each text as Dear Sir… and that he sign off “ML” (meaning Much Love)?!!! that’s my inference anyway. Assuming that’s the case, little boss definitely rivals Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard for pure megalomaniacal neediness. jeeeeZus.