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JASON BEGHE ON LEAH REMINI: She’s Right, Scientology Does Want Her to Fail

Jason_BegheLast night, on Dancing With The Stars, Leah Remini was heard telling her dance partner, Tony Dovolani, that Scientology, which she left this summer, wants her to fail on the program so its members would think that’s what happens to anyone who leaves. “You’re used to taking a lot of negativity on yourself,” she said about being a part of Scientology.

We wanted to ask another actor who left the church recently what he thought about her words. We spoke to Jason Beghe last night and asked him, was Leah Remini correct to say that Scientology wants her to fail?

Beghe left Scientology in 2008 in a very public way, recording a YouTube video denouncing the church. Since then, the veteran film and television actor’s career has taken off with recurring roles in Californication and Chicago Fire, and now he’s filming episodes for his own spinoff series, Chicago PD. But in spite of that success, he’s dealt with severe harassment from Scientology since he left, and he told us there was no question that Remini was right about what she said on television last night.

“It’s not just that they want you to fail. It’s kind of like they want you to die.”

After he had left, Beghe became the subject of litigation and surveillance, and he said it was some time before he really appreciated what was happening.

“You realize, they’re trying to destroy me, they’re trying to destroy my family, and they’re very dirty and underhanded. Scientology is psychotic as an organization,” Beghe says. “Would you have a friend who acts like the Church of Scientology does? They think their acts of vengeance are justified and correct. I would never have a friend like that. It’s not safe.”

For Beghe, encountering Scientology’s program of “Fair Game” only made him more determined.

“You’ve been to my house. You’ve seen my family. What else would anyone ever want? But then they tried to destroy that, that’s when they fucked up,” he says.

 

 
We interviewed Beghe when he first left Scientology, and at that point his career was at a bit of a low ebb. We wondered if leaving the church, he worried if it might hurt his fortunes. But since then, he’s had more success than ever before.

“When I became aware that my life and my family’s lives were being threatened, it focused me, you know? I’m not going to sit down and die,” he says. “So I had to do well. I had these lawsuits. I had to make money. And the only way I know to make money is acting.”

But he said that he and Leah weren’t really the story of Scientology retaliation. “This isn’t really about celebrities. Celebrities are only a tiny percentage of the people who are suffering. I get messages from people all the time. What can I do for them? They’re living in fear,” he says. “People who say they can’t see their mother anymore, or their children. My God, someone like Cindy Plahuta who can’t see her daughter anymore.”

Disconnection. Surveillance. Harassment. He hears from people all the time who continue to experience Scientology’s legendary retaliation program.

“These guys are crazy. And all of this shit is straight out of the L. Ron Hubbard playbook. That’s their scriptures. They say they’re not a turn-the-other-cheek religion. No. they’re a knock-you-down-and-kick-you-in-the-balls religion.”

But he says it puzzles him how the church’s private eyes and attorneys and Office of Special Affairs operatives can continue to do what they do.

“To be working in OSA and doing that shit, and think you’re saving mankind? You have to be out of your mind. [Scientology leader] David Miscavige is obviously insane,” he says.

Beghe is currently in Chicago, where he’s working on Chicago PD, which will be a replacement series when a slot comes open in NBC’s schedule.

“We’re in the middle of the second episode and I just read the third. It’s going really well. I hope people like it,” he says.

 
UPDATE: As our commenters pointed out this morning, the Church of Scientology gave Good Morning America a response to Leah Remini’s assertion that it wants her to fail. Here it is…

“We know this may come as a surprise to someone as self-absorbed as Ms. Remini, but we could care less if she wins or loses on Dancing With the Stars.”

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 24, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Mildred Ratched

    Harvey Levin on TMZ live says “I don’t think Scientology really cares about her on DWTS” HA! yeah, the church that sends 15 lawyers down to texas to fight one little known woman, DOESN”T CARE about a celebrity shading them on primetime television!

    • Gregory Nietsky

      interw3bz pwns Co$ …. teh lulz

    • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

      Once again, ‘Larvey’ Levin proves, conclusively, that he is a living troglodyte.

    • Miss Tia

      uh huh, and he happily cashed their check to say that too!!

    • Aslansown

      TMZ didn’t report Leah’s leaving the church for weeks as I remember, when RadarOnline picked up on it right away and has stayed on it. I wondered at the time if the owners of TMZ have some kind of business connection with someone in the “church.”

      • Mildred Ratched

        I wondered about that too.

      • Seannie5

        TMZ is where I read the insane story of Jenna Elfman accusing somebody of raping babies – that was 5/6 years ago though.

        • Sandy

          TMZ is on here at 2pm CDT, so I watched it. Harvey either is completely misinformed or on the payroll. I immediately went to their website, so I could post, but the story is not up there ….

    • loveisakillerandshesback

      they probably could care less about that too, literally …

  • Sibs

    (gag)
    Just came back here when I saw the Scientology statement. The passive-aggressiveness just kills me.

    • aquaclara

      I hope a certain judge In Texas heard this one, too.

      • Mickey7

        Ditto the judge in the Laura DeCrescenzo case. Kind of hard to claim your right to church penitent confidentiality when you very publicly and negatively comment on a former parishoner.

        • aquaclara

          Oh, yes….!

  • kickingit101

    The Church of Conocology does indeed care or else they would not have issued a statement to morning news. They should the clip of her statement on The View and the only thing Babs said was “Well we will have to show her we don’t want her to fail” I was sitting here with a WTF look on my face.

  • Jack99

    “We know this may come as a surprise to someone as self-absorbed as Ms.
    Remini, but we could care less if she wins or loses on Dancing With the
    Stars.”

    Stay classy, Miscavige!

    • Sherbet

      This sort of line of reasoning reminds me of the old parental thing, that when the kid does something good, he’s MY son, but when he does something dumb, he’s YOUR son. Remini, Haggis, Beghe may have all been stellar meritorious celebrilicious paragons par excellence. But when they blow, they’re immediately labeled has-been hacks, and scientology doesn’t know them, never knew them, never had any use for them, and “could(n’t) care less.”

      • Poison Ivy

        as if no one can see through that!!

        • Sherbet

          Sad to say, apparently, there is still a core of “parishioners” who will believe the church party line, no matter how outrageous.

        • Mildred Ratched

          well harvey levin apparently bought it!

          • Poison Ivy

            Harvey just needs something to riff about…it’s how he makes his living. I don’t think he does any great analysis before he speaks. He also doesn’t know much about Scientology.
            Harvey! Please join us at the bunker.

      • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

        In cult jargon. that is a great description of someone being very “serv. fac’y” (a person manifesting his or her “Service Facsimile”)

        • Sherbet

          Cult jargon — don’t you mean holy, ecclesiastical scripture, Randy? Gosh, I can’t keep a straight face…

    • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

      He might be a little more concerned with whatever is going on that caused him to cancel the Big Events.

    • Poison Ivy

      God, this man is off the charts ridiculous!!

      Unless he’s really blown and someone is trying to act as idiotic as him in his place…

      • InterestedinCrazy

        Now that is a clever observation!

        • Poison Ivy

          Given other Bunkerites smart analysis of “could care less” as a Philadelphina malapropism, I think Davey just told us that yes, he’s still in charge and yes, he’s still making really bad decisions.

      • L. C. Spencer

        Doomed to failure, that. Nobody can match him for idiocy except He Who Went Before Him.

  • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

    For anyone who is “in” (a member of the cult of Scientology) there’s an implied threat: If you leave [Scientology] you will die. There are usually rumors around an Org. about some person who was “in” but who “blew” and ended up ruined and died. “You leave, you die.” It’s a pretty powerful and persuasive bit of social conditioning inflicted on Scn. members by each other. This comes directly from Hubbard.

    • L. C. Spencer

      I spent part of my childhood in a cult (not $cien). When my mother was contemplating trying to escape, some of her peers got wise to it and held an intervention, in which the following words were used:

      “If you leave, God MIGHT let you live.”

      If you have to defend with fear, you have nothing worth defending.

      • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

        Indeed and they do have nothing worth defening. That story of yours is exactly like so many I’ve heard and experienced myself once. That threat really is there and if people ask “why don’t they just leave?” let them contemplate that a bit.

  • Watergate

    COULDN’T care less. It’s COULDN’T care less.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      So who appointed you the grammar Nazi?

      (I thought it was ME ME ME!)

      • Sherbet

        Shove over. Some of us corrected that error hours ago. Me Me Me, Dougie D.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I wuz doin’ important stuff and didn’t have time to waste here on the fringes of thuh internetses.

          So there!

          • Aslansown

            Nothing is as important as the Bunker (well, at least that appears to be what I believe since I’m not getting anything else done…). 😉

          • Sherbet

            I’m supposed to be doing important stuff. Does that count? Oh, dear boss, stay out of the office a bit longer, OK?

            It’s a good idea to read through every post before posting something to be sure someone else hadn’t said it already. Yes, it’s a good idea — however, when faced with 1,000 posts to read, I don’t always check first. Redundant, shmedundant.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I’m not redundant; I’m just confirming.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Actually, I think it’s a Freudian slip. They actually COULD care less; the fact that they sent a response indicates that they just haven’t gotten to that point yet.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        FREUD WORE SLIPS??????

        • Nevermore

          Oh ye gods, pass the brain bleach!

      • 1subgenius

        And the fact that they slam her at the same time suggests that they do care. Very much so.

  • i-Betty

    Helpline:

    1-866-XSEAORG – The call is completely free and can be made from any public telephone

    If you’re a Scientologist reading this and you are having doubts about your religion, whether it be the doctrine, the incessant, relentless regging, or the leadership, but are afraid to leave because it’s all you’ve known, or you’re afraid of what to expect on the ‘outside’, please give the number on the sign (below) a call; it’s totally free. You can speak anonymously and in strict confidence to somebody who can help you, and will receive non-judgmental moral support, as well as real advice for setting up your new life and getting back on your feet.

    I promise you, the outside world isn’t the enemy. As in all walks of life, some people are idiots, but most people are kind, hard working, honest, loving individuals, just living their lives. Many, many people have already left Scientology and are living happy, fulfilling, peaceful lives filled with family and friends – old and new – who love them. They, too, felt your fears as they began their break away from the church. Some took a leap of faith and discovered that the landing was soft, welcoming and forgiving. Some needed to take baby steps. But they all moved in one direction: towards the door.

    For them, every day is now an adventure and they are the architects of their own lives.

    You may be feeling:

    Sadness and loss over saying “goodbye” to those ideals in the group you thought you could admire, the fellow members you thought were your true friends, or the time and money spent following something which turned out to be false…

    Fear, that this may have been your last hope for happiness, success, enlightenment, or your eternity; that you are no longer protected by the powers of your leader and are vulnerable to evil; that you will make bad decisions for yourself without the group’s guidance, or that you will be punished for leaving…

    Loneliness, at the thought of leaving intensive relationships, and now needing to reconnect with family and friends who live in a manner that your religion criticized…

    Confusion, about what to believe, and how to make good decisions for yourself and your future…

    Guilt, possibly associated with having broken ties to loved ones, or for having recruited others into Scientology…

    Shame, when realizing you were involved in an organisation that maybe made you behave in a way that you’re not proud of…

    If Auditing and Training are still important to you they are both available outside the church, but without any of the hoops attached which you are currently expected to jump through…it is cheaper, and there will be no sec checking.

    It might help you to hear stories from others who were in your exact same situation. There is a great website called The Big List That Left Scientology. Here is the link: https://sites.google.com/site/biglistthatleftscientology/ Click on the alphabetical letters across the top to find people you may have known, and to read some inspirational stories.

    Last, but by no means least, the Freeloader Debt is NOT legally enforceable – that means they can’t make you pay it.

    Call those numbers. It might just be the first step to the rest of your life.

    And call your family. Please. They never stopped loving you and hoping that one day you would come back to them. Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays are near. Give them a call, send them your love. No guilt, no shame.

    We wish you so much luck and love.

    • Gregory Nietsky

      please post this on the ABC links bellow

      • Sarah James

        I was just going to ask that. Great minds…lol

      • Nevermore

        I tried, and the post went to Moderation!

        • Gregory Nietsky

          Take out the image / web address ??

        • Sarah James

          I know they did that with free hearts free minds post. Very kind post. I do believe we are under attack lol.

        • BosonStark

          Maybe it’d work if you post one-eight-six-six etc.

    • Krista

      I’m thinking of emailing this to all the CL posters. When I get back to my computer I will copy and paste this message, I can’t copy and paste it on my phone for some reason.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Not quite noon on the Left Coast, and the Bunker is closing in on 1,000 comments.

    Busy, busy little fringe of the internet here…!

    • CharlieWaters

      Yeah, it seems that “fringe” is the new mainstream.

      • philosofa

        Ssshhhhh…don’t say that! Miscarrot might hear you and finally blow his top. We can’t have Tony O being hounded by detectives or the journo-version of the crazy co$ squirrel-busters if COB decides to “handle” The Bunker.

        No no no…..we’re not mainstream at all. Just an unemployed blogger and his fringe-of-the-internet followers here, Mr COB, sir. No, honestly..nothing of any importance to hinder the continued existence of your cult is going on here……

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I am so worried to say that I think Tony is already hounded, he is just too professional to complain to us.

          • philosofa

            That is concerning. I agree that Tony is much too professional to complain but if it’s so I hope someone is watching his back the way he looks out for the victims of the co$.

    • Sherbet

      Maybe someday we’ll be like the big boys on the Internet, like the scientology website. If that thing were a phone, it would be ringing off the hook! So they say.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Maybe they are having trouble hearing that phone through all the cobwebs…

        • Gregory Nietsky

          If they have paid the bils believe it was berlin idle morgue that had phones cut off.

      • Poison Ivy

        If it were a phone, it would be a rotary dial from 1950.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    So Scientology “Confront and Shatter” has now entered the mean-girls-in-middle-school phase!

    • BananaSplits8

      Next up: “Our beloved eclesisatic ecelsiastic spiritual leader wears Armani. Ms. Remini, who we don’t not care about, wears sweatpants from Marshall’s. We believe this argument is over. Good day to you, sir.

      • Poison Ivy

        Banana, you crack me up!

  • Sarah James

    Free Minds Free Hearts, tried to respond to your great post on abc. Told it was removed by the moderator. DDavid Miscavige must be going off the rails.

    • Sarah James

      Are they flagging?

      • Mickey7

        They removed more than one of my posts, as well. We’re hitting a little too close to home, I guess.

      • Mickey7

        I posted a reference to the 1991 Times expose where the father of a Scientology suicide victim called them a ‘school for psychopaths.’ Guess that didn’t sit well with the moderators, although it was actually just paraphrasing what was published in a recognized news source.

        • Sarah James

          It makes me wonder if abc has a dog in this fight.

          • Gregory Nietsky

            If so does it bark or bite

          • Mickey7

            Just checked back and ALL of my posts have been deleted from the site with the full COS statement. Not sure why, as some of them were pretty bland compared to the ones allowed to stay up. I certainly pissed someone at ABC off, though!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh my. They removed my post, or your reply? I have put a lot over there today. I am glad that my post quoting Tony quoiting Jason Beghe comes up as “best” over at ABC because it has the most upvotes. yay me! i have never had this happen. so i am upstat and it is not even Thursday yet!

      • Sarah James

        When I went to reply to your post, a red box said your post was being removed by the moderator. Your post is still up. My reply did not make it. I was going to reply to another post and the same thing happened so now I reply to the not so nice posts. Good job with the upvotes, and good for Tony and Jason also!

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Very interesting. Yes, the cultish ones must have flagged my post. Maybe you can’t reply while they are reviewing it. Thanks for letting me know.

    • Robert Eckert
  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    The scientology spokesperson misunderstanding the phrase “We couldn’t care less” and saying “We could care less” is not just a lazy ignorance of language. After all, they could have word cleared this idiom and clay demo’ed it to full understanding.

    It really reveals the importance given to “caring” for someone else within scientology. In scientology “caring” for someone is a weakness. While caring is being kind and loving and helpful to us in the real world, “Caring” to a scientologist is to agree with someones reactive mind dramatizations and pay attention to their supposed but ultimately false needs. That’s a bad thing to them.

    To “Care” for someone in the wog sense, is to give sympathy and support to a person’s damage or inability or sickness or the wrong behavior that got them into their mess. It would just reinforce their weakness.

    The flip side is the special meaning “to care” is given within scientology: Get someone up the bridge no matter what. Push someone through their upset. Don’t let them quit. Win or die in the attempt. If they can’t do something it’s because they decided they won’t do it. A ‘thetan’ is capable of anything, being upset or unwilling is just evil intentions or being stuck in some past incident, don’t let them get away with that.

    It’s a very hard line no-sympathy spin on “to care”. It looks to us like a psychopath drill sergeant from hell on steroids when they “care”.

    So the idea of compassion and sympathy and helpfulness is all twisted beyond recognition by scientology.

    No wonder they couldn’t get a simple phrase right.

    • InterestedinCrazy

      Never knew this. Interesting observation.

      • GlibWog

        Welcome Interested… Glad you are with us.. You are in the right place if you are interested in Crazy that’s for sure.

        • InterestedinCrazy

          Thanks, I find this all very fascinating! I have always been interested in mind control type cults and this one is the strangest but the good part is it has the most up to date information! Great for a person like me, who likes the crazy!

          • GlibWog

            Absolutely fascinating..

    • Sid_Snakey

      Mike

      While you are totally correct in your analysis of the lack of caring in Scientology, you are wrong that their use of the phrase “could care less” is symptomatic of this.
      In reality it is simply an alternative way of saying “couldn’t care less”, and possibly a transatlantic issue?

      If you are from the UK, like me, then you would be used to the expression “could not care less”. This means “I care so little for this matter that it would actually be impossible for me to care any less”. Within this concept, the alternative (possibly US-only) phrase “I could care less” is confusing since it would be taken to mean “I must care at least a little bit about this matter since it would be possible for me to care less than I actually do”.

      I have never had a satisfactory explanation for why some people use the phrase “could care less”. I would be interested in hearing this, if someone can be bothered to tell me.

      ps. don’t bother replying to this saying “I would tell you but I could care less” since I have already thought of this hilarious reply.

      • George Layton

        I always took the “I could care less” as a dismissive statement. Something akin to “I hadn’t even given it any thought”.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I’m sure it’s the idiom form of the phrase: I couldn’t care less. My two points are that in Scientology caring in the usual sense is not a virtue and they are so arrogant that they don’t care enough to use words that clearly communicate without misunderstanding.

      • WhereIsSHE

        Over here… we have people who mispronounce “nuclear” (they say, “nuke-u-lar”).
        A recent PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES comes to mind. (I’m lookin’ yer way, “W”.)

        I think it’s a hallmark of a kind of American laziness. One person fucks it up, and others just repeat it (without bothering to think it through).

    • phronsie

      I always find your replies enthralling and fascinating; thank you!

    • Poison Ivy

      Dear Michael,

      There was a new poster, “Ian”, a couple days back (Sunday) with whom I (and others, including even Tony dropping in) got into a heated debate about “ridiculing” the CO$ members who put out the Craig’s list ads. Basically he was suggesting that we here at the Bunker have a lack of compassion because these posters obviously TRULY believed they were going to be able to “help” people get over their depression, anger, PTSD, etc. through these “classes” and why were we making fun of them? He reiterated several times that he was NOT pro Scientology and had a longstanding interest in getting people out of Christian cults, but he thought that placing ads for Scientology classes to cure depression or help divorcees was not hypocritical or funny. And that we should focus on “helping” these people, not making fun of them.

      He basically stated that most ex-Scientologists would probably agree with him; that these people truly “meant well.”

      You can track back and follow the thread under Tony’s Craig’s List piece and find the discussion – it went on for a while in the wee hours of the morning.

      I asked him to ask his question to some exes, from their perspective. My point was, “love”, “caring”, “help” in Scientology have completely different meanings to them than to us, and that there was a level of institutional evil that he was just not getting. By the time someone is Clam enough to write a 60 page manual for how to place misleading Craig’s list ads, they are indoctrinated to the point where they are beyond sincerely caring and wanting to help.

      I haven’t seen him again since though I don’t think he was a troll. I would just love for some wise exes like you and others to give him their perspective.

      I really don’t think your average person can comprehend the level of institutional evil in Scientology.

      • aquaclara

        “By the time someone is Clam enough to write a 60 page manual for how to place misleading Craig’s list ads, they are indoctrinated to the point where they are beyond sincerely caring and wanting to help.” Just wanted to put that out there again.
        60 pages. unbelievable.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I missed that exchange the other day.

        Scientologists have their values shifted over time to the point that they truly believe they are doing the absolute best thing, the most important thing in the universe, by spreading scientology.

        Even if it means lying or telling partial truths or “acceptable truths” designed to prevent red flags.

        I wrote an essay on how (at least to my personal analysis) normal people become scientologists and change their values to this absolutist and totalitarian viewpoint that justifies almost anything:

        http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=100838 “Scientology is evil and scientologists are dangerous”.

        “love”, “caring”, “help”, DO have different meanings within scientology. The common theme is that these actions or emotions are best expressed by getting someone into scientology and ‘up the bridge’.

        However it seems that they MUST not be sincere, I have to say that when I had adopted the scientology viewpoint, I was sincere. I genuinely thought it was the way to help.

        That said, I see nothing wrong with making fun of them or bringing ridicule. It can have the effect of them asking themselves “what am I missing that all these people think scientology is a joke?”, which can lead to introspection and eventually leaving scientology.

        But I don’t think it is the most effective. I think it is most effective to engage in communication and exchange with respect, but being knowledgeable about the issues and being aware of the internal inconsistencies of scientology. That they believe it is not a reason to not block and prevent their continued sale of a dangerous mindfuck.

        • BananaSplits8

          Shiite, I’m late to the party.

          I was part of that discussion.

          I’m not one to write essays but I’ll summarize a couple of points:

          First of all, Ian came on (IMO) as the type who, under the pretext of benevolent fairness, needs reams of evidence to counter whatever conjecture suits his fancy. Like debating evolution with a creationist; whatever you say, their fallback answer is: how come there are no fossils of crocoducks?

          Second, I did not feel like engaging with him my specific idea that we mustn’t confuse sincerity on the part of still-ins with their good intentions. Good intentions are result driven no matter how misguided. Whereas, I believe, there is an incompatibility with sincerity and willful ignorance. Even when willful ignorance is pounded into every aspect of a person’s life, you can never call it sincerity. It’s good intentions at best.

  • DamOTclese2

    As an aside, where is the always-lovely-and-eloquent Ms. Helena Korbin? Is she perhaps working closely with the also-always-sane-and-eloquent Mr. David Miscaviage on his defense re his coming appearance to explain his racketeering behavior in Texas, mayhap?

    Strange how Kobrin invited literally some 10,000 people to participate in alt.religion.scientology back in 1994 and encouraged further participation for about six years before mysteriously DISAPPEARING OFF THE FACE OF TEEGEEACK! for some reason.

    Has anybody seen this lovely, wonderful woman recently? I mean like in the past 10 years?

    • Miss Tia

      She certainly looks happy. Why oh why do people just disappear???

      • BananaSplits8

        That comes from a video where it seems like she really thought she was shooting ocular thetan lasers to annihilate everyone in the room.

        Lol, pathetic.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          “Ocular thetan lasers?” We used to call it the stink eye!

          • Gregory Nietsky

            All DM asked for was one simple thing sharks with lazers in there eyes

          • BananaSplits8

            That was pretty inspired if I do say so myself.

        • Miss Tia

          LOL!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      According to the hearsay in Wikipedia, she is still a member of the captive law firm Moxon & Kobrin.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxon_%26_Kobrin

  • Aslansown

    I just realized that that ABC News report says the reporter has done “extensive reporting on the CoS.” Isn’t ABC the station that hasn’t done anything on it?

    • Gregory Nietsky

      The hired tony to freelance ?

      • pronoia

        Ding ding ding! Another winner!

    • TonyOrtega

      Dan Harris? He has done a ton of reporting on Scientology. It just never gets aired. Don’t blame Dan. It’s ABC’s attorneys who have spines made of Jello-O.

      • Aslansown

        Thanks for clarifying. I didn’t realize that he’d done the reporting but ABC just didn’t show it. Maybe this gives him a glimmer of hope that some of his reporting will actually get shown (I hope so too).

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Here’s something to hope for:

        ABC News sees that there is real public interest in all this, and the stories they have been killing for the last couple of years get updated and see the light of day.

        • phronsie

          I hope, I hope!

        • Interested

          From your lips to his ears….

        • Poison Ivy

          It’s all about ratings and advertisers. Eventually ad sales will trump the paranoid attorneys, if the stories get popular enough.

          In television, ad sales trumps all. Since the beginning of time, and yes, especially now.

          • Gregory Nietsky

            They should pop into the bunker and see the popcorn fests we have put that on tv could sell ads forsure.

        • Gregory Nietsky

          New reality show “where in the world is shelly”

  • DamOTclese2

    The Alexa distribution star node statistics got updated once again. 🙂 Take a glance at Scientology’s web site statistics and see how they topped out and are now trending downward. Also check Tony’s continued curve ever upward. Utterly incredible. The Underground Bunker now ranked #15,555 in the United States! while Scientology’s multi-million-dollar web site ranks #36,475 — which is almost all traffic that results from people checking critical web sites that link to the official Scientology web site.

    By contrast, my web site is ranked #310,553 — 🙁 Gives me a sad I no longer break the top 100,000 any more.

    • Miss Tia

      Hmmm…..so the CO$ is the one on the fringes internets! Oh noes! 🙂

      • DamOTclese2

        Isn’t that amusing? Tony’s fringe web site gets twice the traffic that Scientology does. 🙂

        • Miss Tia

          I’m sure in the CO$ math that works out! 🙂

          • DamOTclese2

            Scientology’s web site is expanding like never before!

            It’s so exciting!

            • Miss Tia

              oh it is!

    • aquaclara

      Dear DamOTclese2, I just love these stats….this is now like the Freewinds boat tour – I have to follow! And what’s your website? I am intrigued. thanks!

      • DamOTclese2

        The Skeptic Tank which has been around before the old DARPANet opened up to commercial access and became the Internet.

        • aquaclara

          thanks! will go take a look.

        • Gregory Nietsky

          Wow i bet you remember gopher 😛 since you got the low down on NNTP …. there is local skeptic tank here in the za tld

          • DamOTclese2

            🙂 Gopher, Archie, Veronica, ah the good old days. I was in the vote process that allowed the alt.* newsgroups to be created, we needed a series of newsgroups where there were no topics, no moderators, none of the rules so that we could direct spammers and ideologues to go somewhere else, leaving the actual discussion groups alone.

            It was the first time we saw the phenomena where once the censorship rules were eliminated, the forum opened up wide. It’s why I always laugh when people post “That’s off topic!” to any of the alt.* newsgroups. 🙂

            • Gregory Nietsky

              Indeed this is really facinating thank you i got in in 1996 via 2k4 connex and still involved have not used nntp for years. alt.sex. was really the only game in town for a while. took up the most storage space rcp was appreciated by offline friends ….

              it has had a massive impact on this country since DSL was released in 2000 [i was involved in that role out replaced my 33.6 async leased line [upgraded to 64sync with some trickery]] still backward but getting there

        • aquaclara

          You are a person of many hobbies. Now of course, I saw all the culty stuff in there, and several caught my eye. I will go back and read them soon.
          I had to laugh over the bigfoot stuff – my son was convinced, while watching Finding Bigfoot, that he really exists. Unbelievable.

  • Miss Tia

    I’ve been posting some comments on CO$ facebook pages. A lot of those pages haven’t been updated in a few years. A current one is promoting the Portland building. I’m Tia Windsor on FB (Same user icon, my legal name is Miss Tia). Mostly pithy comments: Where is Shelly Miscavige?

    Re: Shelly Miscavige, would it in any way be harmful to her (I don’t want to cause the lady anymore harm than she’s already subjected to) to send postcards from different cities across the country to the general CO$ mailing address addressed to her (since all mail is opened/read) just saying “Shelly, I miss you, it’s been YEARS! Where are you?!” If they got a lot of these would it put any pressure on them to eventually produce her to the public? People who know her have said they have written her and they get zero reply.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Have you dropped by this one?

      https://www.facebook.com/southcoastmission

      • Miss Tia

        Just posted on their first post! 🙂 I’m sure it’ll be removed quick!

        • WhereIsSHE

          Saw your post. Love it!

          • Miss Tia

            Thanks! There’s so many different CO$ sites, I’m trying to hit a few at a time. I think I posted on about 10 so far today.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          THREE posts, still up after 20 minutes! Guess the newly minted OT VII is off on the Van Allen Belt.

          Incidentally, this is the Mission where Cindy Plahuta’s daughter works. She is Disconnected from her heart-broken mother. You can see her here in this photo, wearing the levely green dress to match her e-meter:
          https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152430779310367&set=pb.467001380366.-2207520000.1380054273.&type=3&theater

          • Miss Tia

            commenting on that pix now……

          • Miss Tia

            It’s so interesting how they don’t really list themselves as a CO$ on that FB page! Just a South Coast Mission!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Yep. “Scientology” is a pretty toxic word these days, and even their own adherents realize it.

            • Miss Tia

              And yet, that doesn’t even give them a clue?!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Well you see, the world is so very, very evil that it is OK to use any method to get wogs through the door…

            • Miss Tia

              SMDH I’m gonna go up to the one in Parma Hts sometime (when I’m fully recovered and have some gas in my van) and go talk to the person manning that post.

            • Aslansown

              Yep — I haven’t seen one mention of it. Just lots of Microsoft stock photos.

            • Miss Tia

              The CO$ page, actually there was 2 I visited and commented on, but one in particular had the Oregon building opening as their header and I commented on that picture that that was some good photoshopping. I remember seeing somewhere how small the crowd REALLY was and then how they ‘enlarged’ it by repeating the groups of people. They’re really proud of that Oregon building.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              The Portland Org opening shoop involved a miraculous s t r e t c h i n g of the photo. The trees on the ends of the building are so tortured it’s absurd.

            • Miss Tia

              Oh I know!!! With all their money you’d THINK they’d get better shooping done!

            • Seannie5

              Do the people who were actually there not see how the cult has photoshopped in way more people? Surely, they can tell the difference? Doesn’t it make them go ‘huh’?

            • Miss Tia

              Maybe they haven’t seen the ‘after’ picture??

        • Nevermore

          I put the XSEAORG number up there 18 mins ago – still there, and with one ‘like’!

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Odd, two comments removed, but this one still in place. Guess somebody has faulty Cognition…

            • Nevermore

              It’s gone now, and I am blocked – how awful!

            • Gregory Nietsky

              The info is still out there sorry about that

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I have been blocked for some time. What a loss! And what great communication on their part!

    • pronoia

      This idea has been used in the past. It was the brainchild of John Peeler a former Sea Org member who posted on WWP and xen.net as BTs2Free. People from all over the world sent in postcards to a list of those trapped in the hole and it was called “Operation over the Wall: Postcards from Paradise to SP Hall” It is probable that not one postcard reached an intended recipient because it is well known that the Sea Org “previews” all mail and confiscates that it does not deem “appropriate” to be read. So it is likely that Shelley would never see her postcards — though sending them would likely enturbulate anyone tasked with picking up and censoring the mail.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f81suF_fL1I&list=PL592C36C597A8D7FD&index=1

      • Miss Tia

        Oh wow, I had no idea!!! AWESOME!! Oh I know the postcards wouldn’t reach the intended person—in this case Shelly—it’s more for THEIR (CO$/OAS) sake! I wouldn’t want anyone to be harmed or punished though!

      • John P.

        I wonder if it would be a way to stir up real trouble to mention in the postcards that “so and so made it sound like Shelly was unhappy when I talked to them last week” — and you fill in the name of some low-level or mid-level drone in the cult. Given the paranoia in the cult, it’s a reasonable bet that almost anyone named in a piece of correspondence from “wogs” or “SP’s” will be pulled off their job and sec checked within an inch of their life. Nothing like trying to get them all to turn on each other in a wave of frothing paranoia. And some of them might inevitably blow as a result. It would be entirely like the cult to take the word of a “wog” postcard over their own people…

        • Missionary Kid

          We should be collecting names.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Well, as long as it was someone who deserved to “pull it in.”

        • pronoia

          The reason potcards were used was that it was understood that it wasn’t likely that the recipients would see them. But we hoped that they would be inadvertently read by others (most of them had Chuck’s EX SeaOrg phone number on them prominently. But your idea is intriguing. I’m thinking that an actual letter would be more effective. It would have to be opened and actually read by someone. And passed along the food chain….

          • MissCandle

            Are you from Colorado? I want some of those “potcards”!

        • Poison Ivy

          That worries me, given the increasing fervor of DM’s paranoia and madness. I just worry that his punishment is going to become even more extreme.

          Right now, I’m sure there’s a purge going on regarding Tony’s possession of the tent plans (!!!!)

        • Nevermore

          Or make up a name – it might tip him over the edge if he can’t find someone he thinks he has proof is talking to the wrong people…

        • Gregory Nietsky

          Reality is that the leaks come much closer to his inner circle than the OOT’s his yanking arround now …. think about that your oiliness

        • “I’m having someone not in Scientology write this for me, that’s for your and my protection……….”

          And then mail them at the nearest post office or postal station to said drone.

    • Jon Hendry

      Considering Shelly’s supposed ‘task’ maybe the card should be baited with suggestion that the sender has some kind of rare LRH manuscript material in their possession?

      • Miss Tia

        Well that would certainly get the CO$/OAS attention—as they’d read anything before it got to her—and it wouldn’t even get to her.

  • jmh

    I’ve started a Co$ Craigslist slaying campaign thread over at WWP in light of Tony’s recent article about Co$ CL tactics, and thanks a renewed interest from Bunkerites who want to help. Let’s not take any more of Tony’s bandwidth up with listings here at the Bunker. Go here if you’d like to help!

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist.113779/

    I will post this a few times a day for the next several days. We are still trying to get organized and come up with a system of sorts, but please jump in and take a look at what you need to know in order to help out. Read the whole thread because many from the WWP ClearCraig project have chimed in with great advice, and the entire document that Tony quoted from has now been uploaded to the thread. Lurk first, and ignore the trolls.

    Generally, each person is taking a city or two and making those their priority. I am keeping an updated list of all the participants and which cities they are covering. Eventually I’ll be able to tell which cities need more flaggers than others and we’ll distribute the flagging more effectively. Thank you!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Keep up the good work. There’s a double WIN here. You keep people from being preyed on, and you take away the cult’s increasingly meager bread and butter.

      • aquaclara

        Lazily echoing Triple D’s very thoughtful comments.

        But not so lazily, I will be back at whack-a-mole in a bit. It is surprisingly fun.

    • stillgrace

      I’ve been working on this project for a few days now. I’ve got some ideas for more effective actions going forward. I’m not sure why you think we can’t (reasonably) post here regarding this insane craigslist onslaught of scios (at least in the SF Bay Area). Exactly how am I taking up the Bunker’s bandwidth?? Tony himself posted this story.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        jmh merely suggests not taking up bandwidth here. There’s no actual request not to.

        It is better having a dedicated thread for this effort, as things tend to get sucked into the relentless maw that is the Underground Bunker comment board…

        • Gregory Nietsky

          The “Disqus” is not using the bunkers bandwidth as far as i know it seems to be “disqus” bandwidth looking at the source code it does clutter the threads however.

      • jmh

        The point was made by some others that Disqus gets overloaded as it is. CL listings in one city can number in the hundreds, as you’ve seen. If we posted all of them here, it would be chaos. I was just seeking a way to organize it all as effectively as possible.

        • stillgrace

          Forget it then.

          • jmh

            Please don’t take offense. I would love to hear your ideas and you’re welcome to post here if that’s what you’re comfortable with. I was only doing what someone else suggested to free up Tony’s already overloaded servers.

            • stillgrace

              My ideas don’t involve long listings of links. That’s not effective. My idea is for individual bunkerites to “adopt” one scilon poster each and spend no more than 10 minutes per day flagging daily posts. I have an organizational plan drawn up for the SF Bay Area. All it takes is 4 flags from 4 different IP addresses to remove the posts. It’s good to spread the work around.

            • jmh

              I’d be interested in seeing it, for sure! My e-mail is craigslistcosslayer (at) gmail. I’d love to share ideas. The more people we have brainstorming, the better! The only potential issue could see running into with that tactic is that multiple scilons are posting in the larger cities and sometimes with no contact info. As many as 15 different phone lines in one city. That means if we were going by phone number we’d need 15 people for that one city.

            • stillgrace

              I think targeting individual posters by area and getting volunteers to take responsibility to flag daily is the answer. Otherwise, it’s just taking potshots. I flagged over 300 posts today, and only hit ONE that had enough flags to take it down. Of course it’s going to take many volunteers. There are lots of them, but I think more of us. My goal is to minimize the time spent daily by each person so people don’t get burned out. Like I am!

            • jmh

              I agree… Just trying to figure all of this out! That’s why I’m thinking if people would take on cities as a daily responsibility, it would work if we had several per city, but I see what you mean too.

            • stillgrace

              I will email you an outline and example of my plan.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              That sounds organized! can you email me at gn835760@gmail.com with your organizational plan? Maybe we can get a few of us to join in to handle this sector.

            • Miss Tia

              feel free to include me on a plan email….i can help flag in different areas….perhaps if we took bits of 4 different areas in an organized way we could more easily get the ads removed? my email is tia@misstia.com

            • stillgrace

              Thank you; I will. Targeting the posts for four flags each, I think, is the answer.

            • Miss Tia

              Yeah, posts need to be flagged from different IPs so if we can work out a system where we flag 4 in different areas, like I flag ’em in Cleveland, Detroit (Farmington Hills), etc, etc; then 3 others have the same areas, that’s 4 flags for those areas all from different IPs! 🙂

            • stillgrace

              You’ve got the idea!

            • Krista

              I’m taking all of Sacramento. Have been posting counter ads as well, but now CL is demanding I get a phone number verified account (I can’t, I’m in the UK). So it’s back to flagging. I do it from home and work (two different IP addresses). Does flagging from a phone count?

            • Gregory Nietsky

              As long as the phone is on 3G/HSDPA/…. and not sharing the “PC’s” connection ie wifi router

            • Krista

              Great! Yes, it is a 3G phone, so I’ll add that to my flagging. I also have VPN at home, so I could flag with VPN on and off. Also, I am thinking of emailing the helpline and message posted by iBetty below as a reply to the ad (maybe slightly modified). Who know, it might help someone.

            • Gregory Nietsky

              You got the idea 😀 as long as the VPN is the “Gateway” this is normal

            • stillgrace

              Good for you! Maybe I can help with counter-ads in the Sac area.

            • Artoo45

              I’ll handle Santa Rosa and . . . oh, right. Maybe I’ll just lay some flowers on their grave.

            • stillgrace

              Ha Ha! You are right. the North Bay listings are refreshingly free of those annoying ads! I hope no one gets any ideas now.

              Can I interest you in taking on a scio-poster from the peninsula?

            • Artoo45

              The mission closed its doors here. It’s pretty much sciloon free up until you get to Portland. As for the poster in the South Bay, which one?

            • aquaclara

              Houston! thanks.

        • Robert Eckert

          You don’t post links to the ads ONE BY ONE, you link to a search page that contains links to the dozens.

      • Aslansown

        Are you the one putting the counter ads there? They’re hilarious. I’m laughing at the one that is waiting at a little bus stop with a hat and a shopping bag!

      • jmh

        I’d love to see the counter-ads too!

      • jmh

        Grace, seriously… I would love to coordinate efforts. If you want to be the face of the effort here at the bunker and I can help coordinate whomever is over at WWP (so far 16 people), so we can work together, please let me know. You’ve been here longer than me. I respect your wisdom on this. Here’s the structure so far at WWP, (which is very changeable)

        16 people have taken on various cities…( we could start breaking it down by posters as you suggested- maybe from this point… especially on the cities we have multiple people on)

        Aklein- Cleveland
        anonymouschanology- Tampa Bay
        BT’s flagging spam – Atlanta
        Budd- Ocala
        CraigslistCo$slayer- Dallas, Houston
        HoustonHere – Houston
        Ideal Borg Bunkerite- Sacramento, Boise, Portland
        Jael Lyne- various
        Madram- Manhatten, Philadephia, Boston
        Mikee- Buffalo
        Miss Tia- Cleveland
        Pinkhammer- Detroit
        Pinkoeria- Sacramento
        ShevilKat – San Francisco, Detroit
        Suiram- Houston, Austin
        VickiStubing- Detroit

        Please add other Bunkerites you know of.

        • aquaclara

          give me a location you need covered, and I’ll whack away.

          • jmh

            I’d say Houston, but ask Grace too. She might know of some.

            • aquaclara

              thanks. will do.

            • stillgrace

              Houston needs a lot of help. I spent an hour there yesterday.

            • jmh

              I did too. Glad to know it’s being hit hard!

            • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

              I’ll get in on the houston racket too, just because I’m vindictive. I’m especially keen to go digging in the portland files considering thats where the newest Morgue went up

            • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

              Also I’m happy to see that the counter adds are getting just as prolific as the swidlers

            • stillgrace

              Yes! I saw one counter ad yesterday in SF Bay Area. FOUR today. And they were funny! Classes for removing dead alien cooties, and how to alienate and disconnect your entire family … you get the idea.

            • aquaclara

              Just hit Houston with two rounds of spam flagging.
              I went back to September 1.
              LOVE the redirect messages – they are excellent.

          • Kat Konces

            I would say the absolute WORST is San Francisco. People do post counter-ads to some cities–unfortunately, they sometimes get lost. There is a list over at the above link to give an idea of the cities involved and ways to I.D. the little scamps.

            • stillgrace

              That’s because San Francisco has DANA, who is trying to clear the planet all by herself. She has absolutely no shame and an 800 number where phone ID cannot be blocked.

            • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

              I really hope this is a troll… advertising touch assist classes in the south bay and the pic they use is pedo bear???? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cls/4088745964.html

            • stillgrace

              That’s a counter-ad. The new counter-ads that are up in the SF Bay Area all have a humorous theme, although I agree that this one is a bit extreme.

            • Robert Eckert

              That’s to make people flood their phonelines with angry calls, I bet.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          You folks are amazing. Really, I mean this.

          You are administering the death by a thousand paper-cuts, and just when it is needed.

          KSW! (Keep Scientology Wary.)

        • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

          I kind of like how there is a contact name in the posting and you see that name over and over and it becomes personal. Like Corey in Houston. I dont know Corey, but I know that as long as they’re posting on CL, they’re my target. This is my COD:MWF

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            That is how I feel about Jennifer in Ocala.

          • i-Betty

            Yup, Corey is my new best friend after seeing how much he cares about victims of domestic violence…

        • stillgrace

          I have zero cravings for power or anything. I just want to stop these guys. They are absolutely without shame or conscience. They are targeting the vulnerable on no less than twenty fronts. My blood is boiling thinking of the underlying evil and the depths of depravity these scio-posters sink into.

          I’m convinced that an organized effort to target with the goal of four flags for every scio-poster’s post each and every day is the answer. It’s important to get four volunteers total to flag each area (or each scio-poster) each and every day or there IS NO IMPACT. Many hands (or in this case flagging fingers) make light work.

          You can put me down to SF Area, which is divided into:
          1. San Francisco
          2. South Bay
          3. East Bay
          4. Peninsula

          (North Bay and Santa Cruz do not have this problem).

          Each of these four areas has a dedicated scio-poster. Three of them post around 10 listings per day in each of three categories. That’s around 90 flags required per day for three volunteers (not including Dana of San Francisco).

          Dana, the little minx (probably kissing DM’s ass and aiming for Thursday afternoons), can post over 100+ per day. She may require three additional volunteers besides myself. It takes me 3 seconds per post to flag after I’ve isolated the offending posts with the search engine. That’s about five minutes time for 90 posts, including time for the search engine work.

          • Sandy

            stillgrace, after you hit the flag, how do you so quickly get to the next one?

            • stillgrace

              If I’m on my iMac:

              “hit the post” one-miss-is-sippi …. it’s up
              “hit the ‘spam'” two-miss-is-sippi
              “hit the back button” three-miss-is-sippi

              If I’m on my Windows laptop:
              Shift-Click the post; small window comes up to right; click spam; Shift-Click next post
              “Close All Tabs” when I’m done.

            • stillgrace

              I’ll head over to Twin Cities and give you a hand.

        • Robert Eckert

          ALL of these searchers need to post links to their search results, here and/or on the WWP thread, so that the rest of us can add the multiple independent flags which are required. One person flagging diligently has no effect.

          • stillgrace

            You are so right, Robert. Four flags per post and phhhht! it’s gone!

          • jmh

            Dallas. Majority of these are SCI… a few got in there otherwise, but it’s obvious which ones are sci.

            http://dallas.craigslist.org/search/ccc?query=%28irving%29+non-profit&zoomToPosting=

            • i-Betty

              For those who don’t yet know, when you have a list like this one Jmh links to, where all the ads have already been sorted into scientology adverts, shift+left-clicking the links can speed things up.

              Remember to keep an eye out for the counter-ads (written by Bunkerites and WWPers) because once you’ve flagged an ad for spam you can’t un-flag it, and the counter-ads are a powerful tool.

            • Robert Eckert

              “Improve your finances”? “Your child has trouble studying”? “CHOOSE TRUSTWORTHY FRIENDS”???

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTFaYCGMcU

            • jmh

              ROFL…. Thank you. I needed that.

            • Nevermore

              I’ll have spam, egg, chips and spam!

            • i-Betty

              Interesting. It’s not just us who are using Craiglist to hit back at suspect individuals:

              http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/pol/4071723874.html

            • philosofa

              Hi jmh… just popped back to let you know I completed the dallas.craigslist ones a few minutes ago. I left the scam alert ones and one for a Montessori home schooling course alone.

              All wrapped up in my jim-jams with a mug of hot chocolate to hand so am off now to the land of nod xxx

            • jmh

              Thanks! (Hug) Good night. 🙂

            • philosofa

              Night-night (return hug) 🙂

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Thanks for this. I went over and left a reply for Budd, so we can coordinate with Ocala.

      • Jon Hendry

        I would prefer that the content threads not be filled up with Craigslist stuff.

        Scientology isn’t going to stop posting to Craigslist. It’s free, and it’s an easy source of “stats”. As such, the prospect I see is of people adding another 10% or more to the comments every day, for people to wade through in Disqus, for a Sisyphean effort.

        I’m all for people working together to squelch CoS on Craigslist, I would just prefer that you do organize elsewhere. Tony’s site is already creaking under the strain of comments that are more relevant to his posts.

    • John P.

      Quick thought to toss into the fray: I think a useful goal would be to get Craigslist to put a warning label at the top of the sections where Scientology posts with a procedure to help people tell if they are being recruited by a cult or fraudulent support group. They do this with the “for sale” sections so people don’t end up getting gulled by fake check scams and other forms of fraud. If, in addition to suppressing cult ads one by one, Craigslist would show people how to be victimized, then that increases the chances that the cult won’t be able to gull you into recruits. Wording a suggested warning properly wouldn’t specifically single out Scientology in a way that might be used to justify any of their whiny “religious persecution” nonsense.

    • jmh

      Updated list: forgive the long post people! Just trying to coordinate! Hopefully the last post of the night. If you’d like to be added to any of these cities, please respond to this post.

      Atlanta
      1.BT’s flagging spam (need 3 more)

      Austin
      1.Suiram (need 3 more)

      Boise
      1.Ideal Borg Bunkerette (need 3 more)

      Boston
      1.Madram (need 3 more)

      Buffalo
      1.Mikee (need 3 more)

      Cleveland
      1.Aklein 2.Miss Tia (need 2 more)

      Dallas
      1.CraigslistCo$slayer (jmh) 2.i-Betty (need 2 more)

      Detroit
      1.Pinkhammer 2.ShevilKat 3.VickiStubing (need 1 more)

      Houston
      1. Aquaclara 2. HoustonHere 3.CraigslistCo$slayer (jmh) 4. Suiram

      New York
      1.Madram (need 3 more)

      Ocala
      1.Budd 2.BurytheNuts (need 2 more)

      Philadelphia
      1.Madram (need 3 more)

      Portland
      1.Ideal Borg Bunkerite (need 3 more)

      Sacramento
      1.Pinkoeria 2. Ideal Borg Bunkerite (need 2 more)

      San Francisco
      1.Jael Lyne (Nevermore) 2.ShevilKat 3.StillGrace (need 1 more)

      Tampa Bay
      1.anonymouschanology (need 3 more)

    • Lurkness

      You have to be in the city (georgraphic area) that you are flagging posts for spam at Craigslist or they wont count, per WWP. Flagging from outside the area is ignored by their computer program.

      • jmh

        I will be investigating that today. The good thing is that even if that is true, we can continue with our counterposting! That really seems to be developing as a great technique amongst us.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    This is unrelated to the topic at hand, but I enjoyed this so I thought I would share. I frequently stream things as I’m falling asleep at night… Some folks play nice soothing music, I stream youtube interviews or radio shows (ever try to fall asleep to the Miscavige-Koppel interview?). Anyway, I had never heard this before and was quite moved. It was the speech given by attorney Michael Flynn as he was trying to get a class action case started against $ciontology. What saddens me is that this was done at least 15 years ago, and here we are saying the same things…
    Does anyone know what he is doing now? I would love to hear his comments about the “Church’s” current legal scene.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR12bnpJSX8

    • Sarah James

      I am sure davy will do just as well in a Texas witness chair. Thanks for the walk down memory lane.

  • J. Swift

    At the very top level, the Church of Scientology is not about spiritual enlightenment. The top level is all about vigilantism, spying, brutality, revenge, and rampant greed.

    L. Ron Hubbard falsely and deceptively called his program of self-serving and paranoid cruelty Ethics.

    For this reason, nobody at or near the top of Scientology is spiritually enlightened; they are all vicious, mentally disturbed, and psychologically damaged people who enjoy inflicting Scientology brutality and cruelty upon others. In other words, Hubbard designed the Church of Scientology so that emotional sadists and financial predators would rise to the top.

    David Miscavige is the incarnation of Hubbard’s Ethics in human form. Therefore, the Church of Scientology has the leader it deserves. The only way to escape the crazy-sickness of Miscavige and the Cult is to leave.

    The scum who work for Miscavige in OSA are, like Miscavige, uneducated sadistic white trash who think they are spiritually enlightened and powerful. However, these people are all wretched and miserable and blind. Only stupid petulant fools would issue this type of public statement:

    “We know this may come as a surprise to someone as self-absorbed as Ms. Remini, but we could care less if she wins or loses on Dancing With the Stars.”

    This statement embodies the idiotic white trash hubris of David Miscavige and OSA. The Cult may have money but it has no class or dignity whatsoever. The Church of Scientology has become vulgar, even obscene, in it’s old age. Impotent middle aged people people mailing out dildos, putting up hate websites, stalking and harassing former members and critics, and then ridiculously arguing in court that such acts are done to protect orthodoxy!

    The Cult of Scientology is stuck in an out-of-control overrun on it’s programs of vigilantism, spying, brutality, revenge, and rampant greed.

    This overrun, this “can’t turn off theinsanity” is destroying the Cult from the inside.

    Jason Beghe nailed it:

    “It’s not just that they want you to fail. It’s kind of like they want you to die.”

    That’s exactly what L. Ron Hubbard wanted and that is why Culture has turned on the Cult. Countless people are fighting back.

    This miserable Cult needs to be pitilessly castrated using a very sharp legal knife. Cut off its religious status and the raging beast is no more. Sans tax exemption, the Cult of Scientology becomes a cruel version of Amway or any other MLM program.

    • Holy Cowberg

      Call me crazy, but shouldn’t the statement be “We COUDN’T care less?” If they say “we COULD care less, then they care. So in fact they DO care if she wins or loses. #MISCAFAIL

      • J. Swift

        It was Miscavige’s bitter knee-jerk response. He had to spit out some kind of venom after Leah publicly slapped him in the face once again.

        • Holy Cowberg

          What a maniac. What I love, is that the world is getting to see what all of us knew for a long, long time.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Making the already obvious absolutely unmistakeable, one press release at a time.

          Go Dave!

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        “#MISCAFAIL”
        or
        #Miss C. A. Fail?

    • 0tessa

      I do so agree with you.

  • Holy Cowberg

    Call me crazy, but shouldn’t the cult’s response have been “We COUDN’T care less?” Their statement was indeed: “we COULD care less”…so that means then, they care! So in fact they DO care
    if she wins or loses. #bwahaha #MISCAFAIL

    • Jgg2012

      yes, that was a Freudian slip.

      • VickiStubing

        …or WAS it? Hmmmm

    • Sunny Sands

      I think it might be a regional thing. My parents are from Pennsylvania and they say “I could care less”. That’s why I think Davey wrote it, he’s from PA.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I have that entrenched in my phrase book too, Sunny. But I’ve traveled a lot so don’t know where I picked it up.

        • Sandy

          It’s up in Minnesota too

      • WhereIsSHE

        ZOMG!
        He is not from PA. He grew up in suburban NEW JERSEY, across a bridge from PHILADELPHIA, PA, so you’ll have to pin that tail on JERSEY!

        Pennsylvania is a very large commonwealth (not a state), and the population is incredibly diverse, so I don’t doubt what you say about your own parents.
        But I’m a 4th generation Pennsylvanian; grew up in the suburbs of Philadelphia on the PA side, and no one I know–and I mean not a one– says “could care less” when they mean to say “couldn’t care less”.
        Proud to report that there is only 1 org in the entire commonwealth, and that it is a veritable ghost town.

  • BananaSplits8

    The activity on this blog is surreal.

    As i-betty, glib, jmh and many others tackle outreach to lurkers and Craigslist posts, I will address the very urgent need for 2 ingredients and a bowl or somewhat creative Hamburger Helper recipes for Bunkerites.

    • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

      A can of stewed tomatoes and a complimentary addition of your choice. I’m partial to black olives. Simmer that stuff up and heffa it down. I’m been broker than a kid in the damnation navy and HH helped me stretch the budget until things got better

  • Aslansown

    I know this is yesterday’s topic, but I just found this on TWOP’s (Television without Pity) DWTS forum and it cracked me up:

    “I wonder if Leah will vanish into nowhere land soon. She dared to speak poorly of Scientology in a public forum again. You know she’s on the disappear list. Tom Cruise probably keeps the list tucked safely in his
    tiny pants pocket believing he can actually Mission Impossible people.”

    • Gregory Nietsky

      message to his oiliness

      all your pr are belong to us …..

      • Artoo45

        And all his internets too.

  • NeverIn

    “We know this may come as a surprise to someone as self-absorbed as Ms. Remini, but we could care less if she wins or loses on Dancing With the Stars.”
    They just are not very smart. And by they of course I mean David Miscavige, because these are not the words that any remotely objective professional person, let alone professional public relations person, would send to a national media outlet. This is foot-bullet number, what, 75million?

    • Artoo45

      “Self absorbed” . . . . heh . . . . hah . . . . HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA . . . (falls off couch clutching sides)

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Steady!

        • Artoo45

          Thanks. I’m better now . . .

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      But he’s just the ecclesiastical leader……someone in their PR department MUST be writing these, right guys? Guy? Hellllooooooo? 😉

    • Mildred Ratched

      I’m telling you, he’s gone way past foot bullets, to full on knee cap bullets.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        shocking that no one arround him notices / alerts him . i do understand that alerting him may be “harmful”

        • Robert Eckert

          “The poor Emperor has mustard on his nose, and not one friend to tell him so.”

  • philosofa

    Well, dear Bunkerites. I’m off to do some flagging before it gets too late. Thank you for a great evening . Night all. xxx

  • TheCommodeDoor

    ” …hate the disease – Scientology – but not the person infected with it.”

    Jon Atack

  • no_srsly

    I love Leah on his show! Seems like usual, the producers brought in Ringers ftw, but I voted with 3 email addys & 2 phone lines… I thought I would give Bunkerites a lovely photo of another famous person…a D-Lister this time……and about as Fugly as they get too…..

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Gaaarrrhhhhh, kill it….kill it with fire! No scratch that, it IS fire. Water, that’ll do the trick.

    • Sandy

      Maybe so, but she does so love to skewer $cientology!

      • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

        agreed, shes a bit hard on the eyes with no makeup but KG is def a bunkerite

    • Nevermore

      I have no idea who she is – her hair is a gorgeous colour, mind you!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      What is the point of making fun of someone because of how they look without makeup?

      • no_srsly

        the (Scientology) celebrity factor, was all.

        • WhereIsSHE

          Ummmmm…FAIL!
          You are making fun of Kathy G, who is a FEARLESS critic of the insanity that is Scientology in Hollywood, and has been for YEARS.

  • Jeb Burton

    I wish that more of the ex scientologiists had a spine like Beghe. He refuses to become a victim of what the church does to people. He doesnt sit around and whine about the how the cult has done him wrong, he goes out and makes a success out of his career, and tells LRH and the cult to go fuck themselves. I think he can be an example for people who have left the cult, dont obsess on what happened to you, go live your life. And for you indies who still follow LRH, he says it is right out of his playbook, and he would know.

    • L. C. Spencer

      I treasure Beghe’s response to the cult, but no, I’m not going to judge people who were hurt more deeply by it than he was. His Scientology experience was anything but typical; he was treated like a celebrity and climbed the Bridge very quickly, and all he lost was some of his free time and the money he spent on courses (and he obviously could afford it).

      People whose lives have been utterly ruined by the cult, who’ve lost family members, lost marriages and been disconnected from loved ones, who’ve missed out on education and the chance at a career, or whose health was impacted because they were cut off from appropriate medical treatment; who found themselves manipulated into crushing debt or lost their possessions; no, those people don’t deserve to be looked down on. Telling your story is not whining.

      And sorry, NOBODY who manages to escape Scientology can be said to not have a spine. If you’re in, and you claw your way out, you have more backbone than the average person who’s never had to face a similar adversary. Props to ’em, and I hope they all sue and win.

    • Narapoid

      But remember how Jason place he and Leah in context: “This isn’t really about celebrities. Celebrities are only a tiny percentage of the people who are suffering. I get messages from people all the time. What can I do for them? They’re living in fear,”.

      And with their higher profile, they don’t get quite the unco?rked madness that the Ratbuns got hit with. Can you imagine how long Allender and the rest of Squirrel Busters would have lasted trying it on Leah? They would have been jailed within the hour. I still have hopes they will in Texas.

  • Gregory Nietsky

    Cross post from http://tinyurl.com/opeqemr

    Scientology = serfing thousands since 1950!

  • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

    I’d like to have Mr. Beghe on Dancing with IBB. Naked. A lot of naked. Because naked. Jeebus…

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      The next time I feel like making some male skewed comment about Nazanin Boniadi, I will not hold back after all of the estrogen around here today over Jason Beghe. You ladies are cracking me up! But if you keep it up, his wife might not let him visit here anymore.

      • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

        haha!!! I dunno, usually I dont go all googly eyed at a celeb, but there is just something about him. But I’m no home wrecking hussy, so mad props to his lucky wife

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Beghe got you with his tone 40, Command Intention. He might not be able to levitate an ash try, but he sure can drop some drawers, hands-free.

          • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

            I want to upvote this so many times

          • i-Betty

            😛

      • i-Betty

        It’s his voice! It’s like bourbon poured over chocolate. I’d let him read my bedtime story any day.

        • Rita Gregory

          You said it. His voice….

  • MarionDee

    I’m watching Diane Sawyer report on this on ABC Evening News at this very moment!

    • Gabbyone

      Pinch, Poke, owe me a glass of wine. : )

  • Gabbyone

    Wow. ABC Diane Sawyer. Right now. Special clip on Leah and Scientology.

  • Gregory Nietsky

    Im outta here me lovelies ….

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Later alligator

      • Gregory Nietsky

        Yeah must go as soon as i wanted to kill power saw there some commotion in the bunker seems ABC is doing some bunker pr catch up in the morning 1am here

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Diane Sawyer’s 60 Minutes is on right now, Dan Harris piece featuring Leah Remini and the scientology response. I haven’t counted how many other media outlets have covered this story today, but it is viral. Forget who at the moment, another poster at Rinder stated 17 Million viewers last night on Dancing With the Stars got to hear Leah’s statements and over 5 million this morning heard scientology’s insult on Good Morning America.

    That adds up to hundreds of millions of stats, OSA, and not in your favor. How in the hell are you going to get Your stats up this week? You’re doomed, Doomed!. Wait…I have an idea. In fact, it is the Only way to get those beatings to stop. The Only way to counter those kinds of impossible stats.

    Unless DM deleted this policy too, gather up all your goons and guards and whoever’s manning HCO (ethics). HCO Calls to Order, handcuff DM, drop him off at the nearest psych hospital, and give Tony a call for a worldwide Exlusive announcing as an apology to Leah Remini, DM has been declared a sociopath and All forms of Disconnection are hereby Eliminated as well as any attacks in any form, spying, harrassment, legal, etc.
    Tony will get this to major media, hundreds of millions of viewers will hear the news and TV cameraman and trucks will be filming at Flag showing all the people dancing in the streets! I’m talking Power stats here, guys, and you can bet it will be followed by Power Trend and steak and eggs for all the crew all day long! And don’t worry about the little guy. Immunity. It works and it helps whistleblowers.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Wonderful!!! As others have said: From your mouth to Xenu’s ears.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I actually used that one once! (I should explain it’s a sci policy that in certain extreme circumstances with imminent danger apparent, Anyone can be sort of instantly “deputized” as an ethics officer, point to the offender and yell out loud this command: “HCO! Bring To Order” and everyone within listening distance must tackle, literally, whoever is the problem child and cart them away). I did this once when Bill Franks was beating one of the Briefing Course students head against the metal wall storage cabinets. He was on one of those Missions Impossible in PAC. Fun times, fun times.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Wow! I really wanted to use that, but never had the chance.

          I think it was used on me when I got upset at San Francisco Foundation Org while I was filling out the staff application form.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            hah! That must have been some awesome form questions!

            I would say it was a thrill, but it Was freakin’ Bill Franks and I just assumed the moment I opened my mouth that I was as good as dead. But I think I might have saved that guy’s life that day. I just snapped when I saw not only What was happening, but Who it was. A bunch of guys heard me down the hall and broke it up. Oh, also, they let me live.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              You did right! You weren’t so blinded that you took it as acceptable behavior.

              The questions were all the sexual history ones and the British Guardian article about scientology using personal information against members and former members started roaring through my head. Unfortunately I went back later.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              oh wow, that explains it. You never know what’s going to trigger. And as for the incident, if I had had even One second more to think about what I was doing, I would have frozen like I usually do when I panic! Don’t have a brave bone in my bod.

  • Observer

    All the inside info and educated speculation by exes posted here today has me in an apocalyptic mood. Sorry the pic gigantic, but the background is so beautiful that I didn’t want to lose any of the detail.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Oooooh, very dramatic. I likey!

    • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

      constantly outdoing yourself. this is epic

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Where’s the Bunker?

      • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

        underground, silly

        *tapdances off stage left*

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I think we’re the lightening bolt behind DM’s ass. But yeah, we need to be on there too.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Needs more cowbell.

          • Missionary Kid

            LOTS MORE COWBELL!!

      • Observer

        We’re behind the internet horse–you know, on the fringes.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          doh! Of course we are!

    • L. C. Spencer

      This is as usual beyond fabulous, but where’s Tony? He definitely merits his own horse, I think!

    • i-Betty

      I could see this epic on the wall of a gallery.

    • Rita Gregory

      Fabulous as usual!

    • deselby

      High level emergency strategy session.

      • Observer

        Hahaha! Love Baba Wawa!

    • Interested

      I agree with I Betty, Obs, this is beautiful, perhaps the best so far, and that is saying something. Must sleep.

    • Poison Ivy

      I love this but you must put the Bunker in with #3!

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    HEY DAVEY! It’s L. Wrong, your buddy. Remember I told you I was going to Costco for oil yesterday? Maybe you don’t remember because there’s soooo much enturbulation going on in your world right now and so many of these meanie Bunker Bangers are always Joking and Degrading you. Well, look here buddy, I’m here for ya. I got the oil and 3L is waaaaay too much for little old me, so the offer is is still open. If you need any oil for the table, let me know. I’d be glad to make a donation. I’ll even let you off the hook for the Burlwood pen that OTVIII promised me IF I can get a peak at the table. I’ll be over your way VERY soon. Let’s do this!

    *refresh* if you wanna see what kind I bought. I even sprung for the fancy Mediterranean Blend just in case you said yes.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Only 3 liters? That’s like a sampler-size by Costco standards!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Very true!

    • i-Betty

      I’m going to be so livid if all your suave smarming gets you a go on the table before me. Why didn’t I think of a gift for DM? Now you’re going to be the favourite, and if he picks just one of us to ‘do’ on the table it’s bound to be you 🙁

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Hey, I don’t like what you’re implying there. Go back to Jason dreaming ya party pooper.

      • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

        who do we contact to get Jason on the table? I’d totally be ok with that

        • i-Betty

          Heart, be still. Phwoar!

          I think I’d still rather like to see L. Wrong on there in his Mediterranean blend oil, splashing about and having a whale of a time 😀

          • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

            he’s going to need some rubber ducks. the davey special. *refresh*

            • i-Betty

              LOL! Oh no, don’t refresh, L. Wrong. You’re going to wince! 😀

              Aww, the tiny little ball gag is quite sweet, though.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Nah, I’ve seen worse. Let me tell you about the time my cousin got purchased by Travolta….

  • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

    I dropped this down in the craigslist discussion but it needs its own glory. I dont think this is trolling, but whoever at the morgue is posting these is gonna get sec checked

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cls/4088745964.html

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      That can’t be legit. Probably a merry prankster posting the org’s phone #

      • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

        part of me hopes its legit and they really do have their heads so far up their ass they’re disconnected from reality

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          It it were real and they were KR’d, that poor soul would be put in a hole beneath the existing hole. The double secret hole.

        • jmh

          Nope… It’s somebody punking them. They’ve done more than just this one according to StillGrace and a few others who posted below. Hilarious!

      • Kat Konces

        There are LOTS of fun counter-ads on the SF site–“Success Through Creepy Staring” and “How to Rid Your Body of Invisible Dead Aliens” are a couple of the best.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Snorts!

    • i-Betty

      That is hilarious!

    • L. C. Spencer

      How can that not be trollery? Golden Era Porn Productions? Increasing a baby’s sex appeal through touch assists? Sounds like somebody took the “Counterpost” theme and ran with it to create Absurdist High Art!

      • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

        I went back and read it closer. and laughed really hard. All I saw was pedobear and the first part looks legit in its wording. I got punked by the punks there haha

        • L. C. Spencer

          It was great stuff, truly. I hope at least a few people do call to ask about it. And you never know, it may still work beautifully as a Counterpost! Anything that keeps even one unsuspecting wog deserves a hat tip…

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Oh GOD! That’s priceless!

    • Narapoid

      The Pedo bear too. Oh my…

  • Xenuvius

    “We know this may come as a surprise to someone as self-absorbed as Ms. Remini, but we could care less if she wins or loses on Dancing With the Stars.”

    Wow….there’s that magical tech at work.

    So unbelievably theta…I know the Indies have to be proud.

    • SandiCorrena

      You know Leah has so much support from (besides us) a ton of people who’ve benefitted from her time and involvement in their causes; not the pretend kind like the church, but the real roll up your sleeves kind. She has put a lot of actual good out in the real world-and she wasn’t ugly to John Sweeney like Anne, Kirstie, & Juliette. I bet she got in trouble for that; acting like a human being I mean.

  • Dorothy Gale

    RE: UPDATE: As our commenters pointed out this morning, the Church of Scientology gave Good Morning America a response to Leah Remini’s assertion that it wants her to fail. Here it is…

    “We know this may come as a surprise to someone as self-absorbed as Ms. Remini, but we could care less if she wins or loses on Dancing With the Stars.”

    Oh OUCH! It’s hard to feel the pain of someone stabbing themselves with a knife, who is completely unaware that they just stabbed themselves with a knife! Do I laugh or cry? Hey guys I gotta tip for you- tone scale tech- 1950’s cult leader’s BS- NOT WORKING! LOL!

    • Narapoid

      Laugh Dorothy, Miscavige dictated it. Laugh deep and loud. I am

    • EnthralledObserver

      “Could care less” versus “couldn’t care less”… MY GREATEST IRRITATION. Sweet Xenu!!!!!!

      • Robert Eckert

        Dont loose it just because their two dumb too get it write!

  • Jeb Burton

    I cant believe Im with the cult on this one. I could care less if she wins or loses. DWTS is either a popularity contest or a dancing contest, I cant figure out which, but I know I hate both.

    • Sandy

      Whether she wins or looses is not the point. Her face & message is getting out there.

      And, she is irritating the hell out of the cult.

      • Narapoid

        You said it. They were snarky and petty in response, calling her self absorbed instead of saying they felt sorry for her terribly wrong ideas or NOTHING AT ALL. Miscavige sent that note, personally. Hehehe

      • stillgrace

        Sandy, I answered your question regarding CL. Check my activity to find it. I also flagged 74 posts from Peyton under classes and events for the Twin Cities.

    • Seannie5

      what’s so bad about a dancing contest?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Nothing. Jeb is just a curmudgeon.

        • L. C. Spencer

          Yeah, he previously called ex-sciens “whiners” for complaining of how the cult treated them.

    • Dorothy Gale

      The problem is they are lying. They really do want Leah to fail- period. In everything she does, not just this. I remember when I left- yes they come after you and they do everything in their power to try to see to it that you do fail. Of course they have no REAL power over you (beyond holding your family hostage) but it takes a while for you to re-group and figure it all out. Leah is still going through the exit process. Similar to PTSD you still feel like they have a hold on you. It eventually wears off and becomes nothing and you recover your own power and individualism. I know exactly what she’s going through. Yeah DWTS is mere entertainment. But it has meaning for Leah. She’s putting herself out there. She’s getting herself back. Like she said- learning to dance for the first time in front of a huge audience- pretty challenging. Could you do it?

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am not a fan Reality TV. I have never watched DWTS.

      I care because Leah was targeted after she and her family publicly left the cult.

      I care because the cult does goes out of its way to hurt, humiliate, harass others. There are members of the cult who are doing exactly what we are, using the votes on multiple devices to make sure that Leah is off quickly. I am trying to level the playing field.

    • MissCandle

      Leah is a thorn in the asses of S-Lying-Tology and Shortie. By voting for Leah you are not condescending to the level of supporting a popularity or dancing contest. You are pushing the thorn further into the fatty part of their asses so that they fester until they eventually explode spewing their volcanic pus until there is nothing left.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Why did I just get an image of that cyst on LRH’s noggin!

        • MissCandle

          Where do you think I got my inspiration?

          • MissCandle

            Notice how I got the volcano action in there too.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yes, yes I did, lol

      • Interested

        Yuck -:)

  • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

    alright fellow bunkerites, time to bounce so I can get home in time to watch Diane Sawyer. Keep on trollin!

  • Jgg2012

    I know that the culties are taught that wogs are just liars, criminals, etc. and ignore the media and outsiders, but have they begun to wonder why their own people (Jason, Leah, and also some OT7s and OT8s) are leaving? Don’t they sense that something is wrong?

    • Sarah James

      They do not question. Shelly was gone, and it sounds like Leah was the only one (in) that asked where she was.

  • Seannie5

    @Eclipse girl, I noticed on THR you have said that Kirstie Alley ordered that nobody mention Leah’s name on set of her new show today – is that true?!!!

    • Eclipse-girl

      It was on some rag (National Enquirer) that had a link posted here.

      http://www.nationalenquirer.com/mike-walker/leah-remini-dirty-word-shrieks-scientologist-kirstie

      I know the NE is not reliable, but it does fit

      • Seannie5

        I can only imagine how pissed she is lol

        • Eclipse-girl

          You know that any publicity Leah gets just burns KA.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Lol, tell that to John Edwards!

        • Eclipse-girl

          You gotta help me with that one.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            NE is the mag that busted then presidential candidate Edwards and his baby momma Reille Hunter and notified the world

            • Eclipse-girl

              Man it must be late. I should have known that. I liked JE’s stance that poverty was a major issue to be dealt with.

              TY for edification

            • Aslansown

              It’s also the one that busted Jesse Jackson for the same thing years ago.

  • j238

    The update from GMA, presuming it is honest, shows an ungracious attitude, to put it mildly. I wonder if this came from an inept pr person or Miscavige himself.

  • Deeana

    I noticed that ABC News is liking the original “pithy” Cof$ response to their Leah Remini query as opposed to the second rather lengthier and pedantic prose. On tonight’s 7:00PM Eastern broadcast, they used only the “could care less” response. Love it!

    Re: The longer response
    Who WRITES these things? Gawwwd, it is like LRH getting paid by the damn word! No wonder the news media are going for the short and sweet.

    I finally have gotten around to reading those “Who is” sites. Same exact writing style. There are lots of telltale clues in the style of any writer. Especially a non-edited, non-educated writer. Phrases they use and misuse. Unique and repetitive syntax errors. Words they use that are “almost” the word they should be using.

    One of my favorites in David Miscavige’s “attorney’s writings”:
    “and in reading these documents it will become self-evident…………..” No, no. It will become EVIDENT, not self-evident.”
    There were several other glaring errors within that same document.

    • Casabeca

      I came here tonight hoping other Bunkerites also saw Diane Sawyer and Dan Harris talk $scientology on ABC Evening News! Yeah Deeana!

      • Eclipse-girl

        It has been a busy few day. and I really hate TV ads. I will look for a link tomorrow.

    • Phil McKraken

      Any spottings of misuse of “penultimate?”

    • Robert Eckert

      The longer attack on Leah is from two months ago, responding to the missing person report on Shelly.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Re: The ongoing craigslist skirmish.

    I had the thought that the phonelines are the one link to the outside world they cannot usually use a blocking or hide head in the sand tech.

    Aside from the flagging and the punking and the warnings on craigslist there might be something else:

    Call up and engage. Spend some time trying to draw them out, what their experience is. Make a connection. Get them thinking about the things THEY EXPERIENCE that do not make sense. At the least it uses up a phone line for a while.

    Thoughts?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I did call some yesterday. A woman in Houston was aware of the ad, but claimed that the poster of the ad was “in a meeting” and then asked for my name and contact information. A number in The SF area went immediately to an answering service. A number in Cleveland rang and rang until I hung up. Then I had other stuff to do. But I’ll get back at it tonight.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I was thinking the same thing earlier.
      I don’t want to be accused of harassment though….so how to walk the line?

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        You’re responding to their ad. That’s not harassment. You want to know their experience with it, that’s just someone trying to find out what it’s like from someone who had done it.

        But only if you really want to know, and care about what their answer is. Don’t fake it.

        If someone told you about a great new diet program they were on, what would you ask to find out if it was right for you? Wouldn’t you want to know their upsides and downsides? Cost? Future costs?

        Despite all the overlay, you are a real person connecting to a real person. They have to think to give you genuine answers. And thinking is the enemy of scientology.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I can do this.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Still, be careful. Dial *67 and don’t divulge any accurate personal information. Retaliation over a simple phone call is unlikely, but they have lots of money to spend on PIs. It’s their second favorite thing to spend money on behind empty buildings.

          • Eclipse-girl

            you are good with engaging them Bury. I encourage you to do this.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I am going to give it a shot.

            • Eclipse-girl

              You are really good in your ability to dialogue / rationally discuss with those who are in. Its a talent I hope to cultivate. I do read your interactions with St Clair for pointers.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Thanks. I try. Some days I do better than others. I am particularly fond of St. Claire and would love to see them blow.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I would too. Also BE CAREFUL. I do not think they are capable of much mischief anymore, but that last thing anyone wants is for you to be targeted.

              I think your prior relationship with St Clair makes it more likely that YOU , not the rest of us, could get to him

        • jmh

          BTW… check out the post down below my link to the WWP thread. It shows a status of our initiative with all the names listed. If you’d like to be added to any of the cities, let me know which ones and I’ll put you down.

    • Narapoid

      I can imagine, sitting at a desk in an empty Org, feeling drawn from regging, especially IAS crap. Looking at Thursday 2PM deadline and having a harder and harder time pushing myself to call out. Knowing that in some instances I put people into financial straights by pushing them using their sense of duty. Now many don’t come back in or call back, or answer a phone and just are OFF LINES. Gone because of OVERT ACTS by me regging like I was told. Thank god it isn’t me.

      A phone call could get staffers out to real freedom. If done with compassion and understanding. Especially by an ex.

    • aquaclara

      Ok, I say, slightly reluctantly. You have a brilliant comment, as always. Give me a day or two….I will,report back.

    • ThetaBara

      I think it’s brilliant. I don’t quite feel qualified to try it but maybe I will give it a go. I do get the importance of engaging kindly and with respect for the person.

  • Sarah James

    I just googled scientology. 40 news sites are covering Leah and the cult reaction. Is David Miscavige great at sticking his foot in his mouth or what!:))

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      It is the one thing he does reliably.

      • Narapoid

        This has to come straight from the little monsters mouth.

        Crush the cult, free the Pilgrims

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I absolutely believe that stupid statement came directly from the midgets mighty little mouth and was issued by poor old overworked Lou.

          Leah serves Caek !

        • Observer

          And I’m sure he thought it was an absolutely brilliant response which would instantly turn anyone who heard it against Leah.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            you know, like, you Just Know it!

    • Eclipse-girl

      foot bullets, you gotta love them.

    • Missionary Kid

      Wrong. He can’t get his foot into his mouth because both are shot off with so many footbullets.

      • Eclipse-girl

        HI HAS NO FEET. HE ONLY HAS STUMPS.

        Perhaps another suggestion for shooping

        • Missionary Kid

          Suggest it directly to Obs. The problem is, that can be a touchy one. It might be better to just leave it as a written image.

          • Eclipse-girl

            OK, I understand. Still aggrieved that Dr Frank – n – furter is so beloved that shoop is not going to happen either.

        • L. C. Spencer

          “It’s nothing! Just a flesh wound! Come back here, I’ll bite your legs off”!

          • Eclipse-girl

            I also LOVE Monty Python.

            and should be able to used for shoops.

  • Seannie5

    Leah has been reading people’s tweets to her:

    @flaglerdarling 9h @danbharris @GMA @LeahRemini considering she was raised in Scientology, response of “self-absorbed” is more reflective of them, not Leah.

    to which she responded :

    @LeahRemini 7h @flaglerdarling thank you for the support. Xoxo

    • Sarah James

      Jason lays it out, it’s not just failure the little man wants it’s death.. Miscavige does not practice scientology he practices hate. He thinks it is his right.

      • MachiavelliaMidget

        Demented Deranged Davey Degraded-being Savage Miscavage is, indeed, a practitioner of hate, as he is a hate-filled, mentally ill, sociopath.

  • richelieu jr

    Wow, over 1500 comments!

    I’ll probably post this again,t hen, but I am sure I ma not the only one to have received this piece of drivel from the “Registrar”.. The whoel Flag cancellation was no big deal! We have the truth!

    “Theta without limits, Flag is the place to be.

    You may have heard the newest rumors, that the Grand Opening of the SuperPower Building has been moved to a different date. There was just too much going on and too little time to prepare a worthy event. Many Cornerstone members have not completed their 130 hours of objectives as they had too many wins on their way and had to stop auditing. The wins with GAT 2 Objectives are so massive and colossal; they are almost OT levels in their own right.

    Since thousands and thousands of Scientologists have made bookings for a Grand Opening Event there is a rumor COB has decided that every Scientologists who is losing money for nonrefundable tickets, or other nonrefundable travel costs, can submit those expenses to his/her registrar to receive service credits for the amounts of nonrefundable costs.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Man RJ, at this rate we are gonna have to start bunking at Marty’s.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Maybe we could build a tunnel between both from NY to FL?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          We need a couple extra tunnels. One to Texas and one to France.
          Then we got it covered.

          • Eclipse-girl

            The Trans Atlantic one will be the tough one to build.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              We will just have RJ swim over.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am glad he is up for it.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Man has a new baby and he hasn’t slept much in the last several months.
              He is at his wicked funniest when he hasn’t had any sleep at all.

            • Eclipse-girl

              CONGRATS to RJ. Its been a long time for me, but those sleepless nights make you punchy.

          • Zer0

            On that train all graphite and glitter
            Undersea by rail
            Ninety minutes from New York to Paris
            (More leisure for artists everywhere)

            • John P.

              This gets the award for well-chosen Steely Dan (well, Donald Fagen solo album really) quote of the day.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        WTF have you been drinking tonight? Bunking at Sharty’s?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Nothing! That is my problem.

    • Eclipse-girl

      can you describe the source of these rumors?

      DM has to refund costs or people will avoid coming when the event does occur.

      • richelieu jr

        You bet I can, EG!

        They come from “AssistantRegistrarATeventscoordination.org”

        I get a lot of these, several a month since the big non event started to loom it’s tree– killing head… Perhaps you were only referring to the ruours mentioned in the email, though?
        Could they be some more of the Entheta– infused, reality– based tree– killing old journalism reporting by Tony Orlando and Don Draper? Cutting down old oak trees with yellow ribbons (yellow being the colour of his journalism and belly, the coward who cowers in the underground abode, aptly named a ‘bunker’ over his master, Head Head Shrinker Herr Hitler and his nasty band of head-candlers the SS)…
        On the other hand, if you’re referring to the mail itself, I’d be glad to post it in full.. It’s pretty short thi time. I imagine a lot of folks around here must still be on their mailing lists, or old ones they’ve dusted off to try and get 5 thousand poor fools there so they can claim there were fifteen thousand at least… I was never even in the ‘church’ and I’m getting these things for Xenu’s sake!

    • eh_politico

      Wow, what a steaming, smelly pile. Can you believe the nerve those people have? Just wow.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Pay more and then we tell you what you have accomplished is no good, you gotta pay more.

  • Eclipse-girl

    I am so happy that Leah Remini agreed to do DTWS .

    We know DM is busy managing the two major lawsuits, Monique Rathbun’s and the Garcia’s.

    We believe that DM is so “busy” with his distractions, he had to cancel the “opening” on the super powers building, now know as FLAG.

    We are also intrigued at what could be happening at Clearwater. TY Oglodyte and THDNE. I can not explain what is happening at Clearwater, but something is brewing.

    EVERY WEEK, DM is going to have to deal with Leah and her popularity. EVERY WEEK he will have at least 1 in not 2 or 3 days of distraction form the legal cases and whatever is happening in CW.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I like to think that DM is a huge fan of DWTS, that it was appointment viewing for him and he would break things if he missed it or it wasn’t recorded for him. Then Leah agreed to be on the show and he flipped the &@$! out in a tantrum for the ages. I don’t care if that’s true or not, it’s just too fun to believe.

      • Eclipse-girl

        We all need our fantasies. I think yours is a good one.

    • Narapoid

      I wonder how many awakening Scientologists are watching Leah? The cult cant tell them not to watch it, would they? They (sob or rtc) would be dumb to tell their parishioners not to follow a dancing show but it hasn’t stopped them yet!

      Sink the Cult. Free the Pilgrims.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Night kiddies….I can’t count higher than 1600.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Goodnight. 1601 is next, so you know for tomorrow

    • Eclipse-girl

      Sleep well. (((HUGS)))

    • Captain Howdy

      Goodnight yee ole bag.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Thx Captain. Makes me laugh every time I go by.

    • Zer0

      Me neither!

    • Ruby

      BTN…after you went to sleep, Debbie Downer showed up and I got 2 down votes!! A “highest ever” for me. I think I deserve a cake! 🙂

  • Steven

    Wow…Wendy Williams on Leah Remini and Scientology. Here’s her clip from today’s show saying “that’s the kind of organization you don’t leave or you’ll be found bloody in the alley…” she shows Leah saying “they want me to fail” and Wendy talks about how scary & culty they are and tells them to hire security for their dance rehearsals…LOVE IT!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLXBUIVU-PE&feature=youtu.be

    • Seannie5

      Haaaaaaaa! I love it! Did you all hear the gasp when she read out CoS’s response? Even people who are unfamiliar with Sci and it’s ways are taken aback!
      Does that show have a lot of viewers?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Nice find Steven! Wendy really went into it. Lots of cheap shots(hey, we like cheap shots) at the church. Go you girl!

    • Captain Howdy

      Hot dam, never cared much for this broad before but that was OUTSTANDING!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I’m having a fantastic vision of her kicking your ass up and down the street for calling her a “broad”.

        • Captain Howdy

          I don’t doubt for a minute she could.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            And you’d like it too, right?

      • Seannie5

        Same – I remember when she was on Ellen, she asked her how does she not miss bacon (Ellen is vegan), Ellen replied ‘because I believe pigs are very smart’.. Wendy was thrown off a bit as she thought Ellen would joke back at her, but not for long – she just kept on talking. She sure has the gift of the gab!
        But damn, this is GOOD! Mouthy people can be very annoying but they come in very handy in cases like this lol

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Unrelated to your point, but pigs are not really very intelligent. They fail the “mirror test” of self-recognition, that healthy humans pass before the age of 2. All other “great apes”, dolphins, elephants, and certain whales and birds are able to recognize themselves in a mirror.

          So bacon is fair game.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I needed to know that. I love Bacon. I like Ham. I think Pork Belly when properly cooked is divine.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Indeed! I think the Travolta quote from Pulp Fiction is appropriate here:

              “Bacon tastes gooood. Pork chops taste gooood.”

          • Seannie5

            ugh I had a big long response written out and accidentally clicked the Back button and lost it all. I’ve done that a couple of times and it’s SO annoying.
            Shorter version – I am vegetarian because I don’t like eating animal flesh or more importantly, I don’t like animals being killed for my consumption. I grew up in a v carnivore friendly home so it took a while to bite the bullet and stop eating meat – I was like but ‘wtf will I eat?!’ I’ve never looked back and it’s one of the best decisions I’ve ever made.
            I do get lots of stunned ‘huh? you don’t eat meat … WHY?’ from people. It’s funny to see how people react sometimes.
            Pet peeve of mine – celebs like Ellen talking about the merits of going vegan when she has a personal chef or 3 to make sure she has a variety of delicious and nutricious meals. It’s easy for her to do it when she doesn’t have to think about changing her cooking habits, finding hard to get vegan ingredients etc

            • Eclipse-girl

              Your pet peeve is also mine.

              I have no problem with people being vegetarian or vegan.

              But please do not tell me humans evolved without eating meat.

            • Seannie5

              Ha I wasn’t about to tell you anything. I never thrust vegetarianism onto anyone. I also don’t see why anyone would have cause to have a problem with vegans or vegetarians unless they were lecturing or trying to impose their diet onto you. Obviously, as somebody who doesn’t like animals being killed (for any reason) I would prefer it didn’t happen, but i’m perfectly busy participating in the ‘Expose Scientology’s Corruption’ movement to get into that debate.

            • Eclipse-girl

              And so am I (((HUGS)))

            • Poison Ivy

              Yes, I REALLY hated it when I was a vegan when my family would pile onto me at Thanksgiving. “Oh, your green beans are crying out in pain – it’s so cruel to eat them!” (Hey, maybe LRH was on to something with that Tomato!) I was NEVER a preachy vegan…in fact I almost tried to hide it, because I was so sick of all the carnivore preaching and teasing.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I respect that and I am all for the humane treatment of animals. I don’t buy Tyson chicken anymore based on what I’ve seen of the treatment of their birds. But a major stage in human evolution involved hunting and domesticating animals. It is more natural than subsisting on vegetation alone.

            • Zer0

              I personally believe before the ethical decision about animal consumption is made, it should be sustainable. Hunting in a sustainable environment is fine. Venison is a great example.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Where I live, all deer need to be tested for Chronic Wasting Disease.

            • WhereIsSHE

              I’m vegan, and I get all my ingredients at my local co-op!

              They’re called VEGETABLES and FRUITS and FRESH and DRIED HERBS… NUTS and SEEDS and LEGUMES…and BROWN RICE and WHOLE GRAINS!! OK… and WHOLE GRAIN PASTAS… and WRAPS… CANNED TOMATOES… CANNED CHICKPEAS and BLACKBEANS… and KIDNEY BEANS… and CANNELINI BEANS… occasionally some tofu or tempeh or seitan.

              Let’s see… Soy or Almond Milk (the dark chocolate almond milk is heaven!)….

              No personal chef. Just me!

              Once I learned some new recipes to rotate, cooking vegan became just as easy as cooking before-vegan. Every week or two, I add a new recipe. So simple!

              Here is one of the best blogs for killer–and EASY– recipes. (Plus the guy who writes it and gives the recipes is fucking awesome=) ALL my friends– meat eaters included– LOVE every recipe I have ever made from this site.

              Click on the “archive” link at the bottom for all the recipes.

              Easy and deeeeelishhhhhh!

              http://thugkitchen.com/

              THUG KITCHEN. “Eat Like You Give A Fuck.”

              Here is one of the all time favorites. Everyone who has enjoyed one of these at my house always demands the recipe:
              http://thugkitchen.com/post/46773308203/im-so-tired-of-mother-fuckers-asking-where-do

            • Poison Ivy

              A bummer about me trying to be vegan – I’m allergic to tree nuts. (I suddenly lost my allergy to almonds – raw, unprocessed almonds – only about 3 years ago, out of the blue. So I eat them every day now. But the rest of them still send me into anaphylatic shock.) It was hard being a vegan without the ability to eat nuts. Vegan recipes put nuts in EVERYTHING. I’ve had to go to the hospital accidentally eating items made with “nut flour.”
              It was just too hard for me to get enough protein. I was on the road a lot and ended up existing on baked potatoes in restaurants on the road.
              Now that I’m not a vegan (or even a vegetarian) – I actually enjoy eating a mostly plant-based diet. (It always makes me feel a lot better.) Because I’m able to balance it as my body requires.
              I am a big supporter of vegetarians/vegans since I tried hard to be one at one time – but I hate it when they preach to me. They can get cultish. All our bodies are different and we are omnivores by nature. My body and my conscience are happier now that I follow my own heart and not some rules set down by PETA.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Allergy to tree nuts would suck for me. Sorry to hear that PI.
              Totally agree with you about the difference between the corporate factory farms (and the abuse and havoc they wreak on the animals and our environment) and the truly small, family owned farms where the animals are raised organically and with compassion. If they slaughter themselves–and do it humanely (or as humanely as possible, because… they are slaughtering, afterall)– that is where you want to get your animal meat if you are concerned about a) being compassionate, b) your personal health, and c) the health of our shared environment.
              THAT is the animal meat our ancestors ate. Not this corporate, factory-farmed, antibiotic and hormone laden substitute that is contributing mightily to major diseases in our population.
              Hope I didn’t come off as preachy.
              I just like the idea of people being compassionate and eating foods that really are healthy and delicious.
              You should check out that ThugKitchen blog. Awesome recipes.
              My iron levels are as high as they were before I went vegan, but I consume a LOT of dark leafy greens, (tons of fresh spinach and kale), and lots of bok choy and broccoli, etc.
              I’m sure it was very difficult for you on the road, especially back then.
              I’m grateful that so many chefs are putting healthy, plant-based options on menus these days, but I’m sure that’s not the case, country-wide. And a lot of people don’t get the difference between vegetarianism and veganism. (Hence, my husband and I were unable to eat the special entree that some catering hall prepared for us–it was loaded with BUTTER-blechhh;p!– at one of his employee’s wedding last Friday night. There was not so much as a carrot stick available during the cocktail hour. It was almost all deep fried animal meat and butter/cheese/mayo dips, etc. The grilled king oyster mushrooms over a salad of organic greens we enjoyed for dinner at home later in the evening was HEAVENLY=)

            • Poison Ivy

              I get you there! When I was Vegan (it was in the early-mid 90’s), I was doing so much traveling, and to obscure places in the South, the Midwest, and the West – places that don’t serve much but fried, buttered and meat-ed. I like to eat light, period, and it was so annoying to try and find vegetables some place and have them overcooked, drenched in butter, or fried. Honestly, America, there IS a reason that some of you are obese (and tired – really, I’d be napping all date if I ate fried stuff all the time)! Food choices have gotten better, but still not everywhere. I thank God for protein bars and protein powder that I carry with me now. And stuff like Almond Milk, and boca burgers made w/out nuts, and Amy’s frozen dinners. Like I said, I like to stick to a base-diet that’s plant (or organic lacto-ovo) based but I leave my choices open. And yeah, I admit. I’ve gone back to turkey (raised in a local upstate NY farm) for T-Giving.
              Being compassionate and healthy are equally compelling reasons for me – and having watched reams and reams of animal factory farm (and slaughter) footage for a film I made, I’m telling you, people – your factory-farmed meat is really not good for you. I hate the idea of hunting deer (I leave part of my backyard unlandscaped so our deer can munch year round – our woods are filled with them) but I think people who kill 1-2 deer a year during the legal season, process and freeze the meat and eat it for the rest of the year are doing far more for our environment than people who are vegetarians but eat mass-processed cheese, eggs and milk.

          • Captain Howdy

            So are pigs so dumb they are rapidly destroying their only home?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Only in Animal Farm have I seen pigs destroy their home.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Ironically, “we” (and by “we” I mean the factory –as in corporate– “farms) are destroying our only home (the entire planet) by farming pigs for human consumption.

              http://www.pigbusiness.co.uk/issues/20-facts/

              20 True Costs of Factory Pig Farming

              Just a few from the list:

              5. The runoff from pig factories creates nutrient overload, causing huge fish kills in rivers and coastal waters. Pollution of the Neuse River in North Carolina, USA, caused the deaths of 100 million fish in 2009 alone.

              6. Manure runoff can contaminate water with unhealthy levels of nitrates, which have been linked to spontaneous human abortions.

              7. In 1998, the US government fined Smithfield 12.6 million dollars for violating the Clean Water Act more than 5,000 times in just five years.

              8. To build new factory farms, the world’s largest pig producers scan the globe for good investment climates, i.e. countries with cheap land and labour and lax enforcement of environmental standards. If small scale local farmers don’t intensify production and externalize their true costs onto the broader community, they face bankruptcy.

              9. In order to survive, small-scale farmers often enter into coercive contracts with large-scale, vertically integrated factory contractors. These farmers pay much of the start-up and maintenance costs through bank loans, locking themselves into dependence on pork prices dictated by the livestock factories and volatile interest rates. Permanent debt and bankruptcy are common. (*****I THINK SOMEONE AT THE CORPORATE FACTORY FARM LEVEL MUST HAVE TAKEN ONE OF THOSE STERLING MANAGEMENT/LRH-TECH-FILLED COURSES*****)

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              These are examples of massive corporations taking end runs around laws and having a general attitude of profit being more important than people or animals. It’s a damn shame that the USDA and the FDA are bought and paid for. But it doesn’t make a strong case against humans consuming animals. Only that we need to be more careful about which animals we consume and which companies we are supporting.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Right. I was only addressing the environmental impact of factory farming of animals for human consumption.

              But on the issue of humans eating animals, this makes a case:
              http://www.amazon.com/The-China-Study-Comprehensive-Implications/dp/1932100660
              The China Study: The Most Comprehensive Study of Nutrition Ever Conducted And the Startling Implications for Diet, Weight Loss, And Long-term Health

              Hey-

              Eat whatever you want.
              It’s your body and your health!

              I just wish people who struggle with obesity and heart disease and diabetes and who are at greater risk for several cancers would give a plant-based diet a shot.

              I also educated myself about the food industry–and even if eating animals did not cause so many human health problems– I would not go back to eating animals. But that’s just my own, subjective reaction to the abuse and pain inflicted on other sentient beings.

              Ever think about the EGGS you eat–and what kind of sick, twisted, abuse goes on to produce them??

              Check out the abuse of these poor chickens at Kreider Farms in my home state:
              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/kreider-egg-farms-video_n_1420585.html

              “Thursday morning, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), one of the country’s most prominent advocates of animal rights, released a horrifying video taken undercover at Kreider Egg Farms, a major egg producer in Pennsylvania. The living conditions in the video were so deplorable that they moved New York Timeswriter Nicholas Kristof to dedicate an entire column to the subject after he saw an advance copy of the footage.”

              “Is an egg for breakfast worth this,” Kristof asks in his headline.

              “You can answer that question for yourself, following your own sense of morality, after watching the video below. But it seems safe to assume that many people would be offended by Kreider Farms’ treatment of the birds. They’re crowded into tiny cages and surrounded by clouds of flies and ammonia gas. Dead chickens are left to rot, stuck in cages, for days. It’s disgusting.”

            • Poison Ivy

              Seeing lots of undercover film of factory farming was what made me a vegan years ago.
              But one can judiciously consume animal protein. There are small local farms that harvest eggs, produce cheese and raise chickens, pigs, etc. organically. There are free range cows. There are places in the world (not the USA) where animals aren’t fed gallons of antibiotics just so they can survive the horrendous conditions they live in.
              Plus there is a karmic price to pay for supporting that industry, IMHO.
              It’s a little more difficult and a little more expensive to buy your animal based protein (milk, eggs, yogurt, cheese included) from non-factory farmed sources. But it’s better for your body, your spirit, and the planet.

            • ThetaBara

              If you can get real farm eggs, they are SO much better tasting too!

          • WhereIsSHE

            WRONG.

            Here is the actual science, as reported in the NYT.
            http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/science/10angier.html?_r=0
            “Pigs Prove to be Smart, if not Vain.”

            They CAN use mirrors. Just not in the way that the VAIN do.

            “The finding is just one in a series of recent discoveries from the nascent study of pig cognition. Other researchers have found that pigs are brilliant at remembering where food stores are cached and how big each stash is relative to the rest. They’ve shown that Pig A can almost instantly learn to follow Pig B when the second pig shows signs of knowing where good food is stored, and that Pig B will try to deceive the pursuing pig and throw it off the trail so that Pig B can hog its food in peace.”

            “They’ve found that pigs are among the quickest of animals to learn a new routine, and pigs can do a circus’s worth of tricks: jump hoops, bow and stand, spin and make wordlike sounds on command, roll out rugs, herd sheep, close and open cages, play videogames with joysticks, and more. For better or worse, pigs are also slow to forget.”

            “Even in domesticity, pigs have retained much of their foreboar’s smarts. Dr. Byrne attributes pig intelligence to the same evolutionary pressures that prompted cleverness in primates: social life and food. Wild pigs live in long-term social groups, keeping track of one another as individuals, the better to protect against predation. They also root around for difficult food sources, requiring a dexterity of the snout not unlike the handiness of a monkey.”

            “Because monkeys had been shown to use mirrors to locate food, Donald M. Broom of theUniversity of Cambridge and his colleagues decided to check for a similar sort of so-called assessment awareness in pigs. They began by exposing seven 4-to-8-week-old pigs to five-hour stints with a mirror and recording their reactions. The pigs were fascinated, pointing their snouts toward the mirror, hesitating, vocalizing, edging closer, walking up and nuzzling the surface, looking at their image from different angles, looking behind the mirror. When the mirror was placed in their pen a day later, the glass-savvy pigs greeted it with a big ho-hum.

            Next, the researchers put the mirror in the enclosure, along with a bowl of food that could not be directly seen but whose image was reflected in the mirror. They then compared the responses of the mirror-experienced pigs with a group of mirror-naïve pigs. On spotting the virtual food in the mirror, the experienced pigs turned away and within an average of 23 seconds had found the food. But the naïve pigs took the reflection for reality and sought in vain to find the bowl by rooting around behind the mirror. No doubt the poor frustrated little pigs couldn’t wait to get home, crack open a beer and turn on the TV.”

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’ve read that as well, but is that instinct or intelligence? I would say the former.

            • Zer0

              Pigs could harbor thetans, and we really shouldn’t eat thetans!

              Because LRH says if you eat a thetan, they will get a nasty case of psoriasis in their next life! Strange, but true. It’s the stomach acids that get on the skin of thetan.

            • Eclipse-girl

              more non-science from lrh.

            • Zer0

              Yeah, I actually think that is one of the most hilarious bullet holes in his theology. A thetan can catch psoriasis in the next life if their meat body is digested by a carnivore.

              Come on man! That’s fricking hilarious.

            • Poison Ivy

              Wha – you mean what you wrote wasn’t an LRH PARODY?
              I forgot, this guy satirizes himself.
              Explain this to me again. Pigs have thetans?

            • Zer0

              Yes,

              Pigs, rats and squirrels can have thetans. But those are usually the lower thetans. Those low-rank thetans could also be body thetans. The more powerful thetans might occupy horses or dogs, if they are taking a break from occupying humans. Hubbard said that a war-weary general might choose a horse for a while, if they are tired of conflict.

            • Poison Ivy

              Oh no. So if you kill a pig and eat it, the pig thetans will give you psoriasis?

              PLEASE tell me smart indies like Mike Rinder don’t believe this stuff.

            • Zer0

              No, if you eat a pig, you can give the PIGS thetan psoriasis, because your stomach acid will be affecting the pig’s thetan (if it has one).

            • Poison Ivy

              So there will be an invisible dead alien in your stomach with psoriasis?
              But thetans don’t have skin – they are invisible ‘souls’ w/out bodies.
              Oh man, I need to go to bed.

            • Zer0

              Yes. Thetans don’t have skin. So I think this is one of Hubbard’s biggest footbullets. He actually said this. To paraphrase, psoriasis can be linked to being eaten in a previous life. Somehow, the stomach acid sticks to the thetan, who knows!!! It’s all Hubbard lies anyway.

            • Poison Ivy

              What? So you were once an animal thetan eaten by some human in a previous life – and now it’s given you psoriasis?
              PLEASE, smart indies. Read this stuff again and tell me how LRH was really a misunderstood genius.
              He was a con artist who couldn’t even keep his own stories and lies straight.

            • Sherbet

              But thetans are mighty good eatin’. Taste like chicken. I, personally, am trying to cut down on thetan consumption until my skin clears up. Thank you, lrh.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Love that Thetan from Popeyes….yeah. Come on down to Popeye’s Thetan Kitchen.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWOGu2vZlmw&feature=share&list=PLBlAsKqxRuJ_ynJYNqHOCxBZ8hoHmkZMr

            • WhereIsSHE

              Hence– they use mirrors for DIFFERENT reasons than to see–or admire–their own reflections.
              The point is that they are, in fact, intelligent beings.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Edited the above post. Disqus runs like crap on ios7. Just crashed on me again.

            • Poison Ivy

              We are of the same mind, WIS. I’m not a vegetarian (I was an ethical vegan for 5 years and it made me seriously anemic and weak. I chose my health and acceptance of my omnivorousness/place in the food chain over dizziness, fainting and altitude sickness) but my diet is probably 90% non-animal protein and I almost never eat pig, even though I’ll have a steak (cow) 2-3 times a year. I know they’re both ungulates but somehow the pig thing tweaks my ancient vegan guilt. Pigs are really interesting animals.

            • Robert Eckert

              It certainly isn’t a pre-programmed response (instinct) to mirrors, since never in their evolutionary history have they encountered them. It is general-purpose information processing (intelligence) deciphering the properties of a novel object.

            • Poison Ivy

              “And it is not about vanity.. the ability to recognize your reflection in a mirror rather than seeing it as another entity, that is an indication of consciousness that only a handful of species on Earth possess.”

              Again, we only BELIEVE that a handful of species on earth posses this consciousness. And we’ve only thought that, by the way, for a very short time. We are learning more about animal consciousness more and more every day, thanks to innovative researchers, especially those who work in the wild for long periods (years and years) at a time. It’s only through these researchers that we can really see how animals use their native intelligence and how they learn.

              Again, I (and a growing number of ethologists) believe it’s short-sighted of us to assume that just because an animal doesn’t recognize “itself” in a mirror, doesn’t mean it’s not aware that it is a distinct being different from others; that it doesn’t have a sense of self. There are so many other ways animals show varying degrees of self-awareness in their behavior in the wild.

              We’re so ridiculously species-centric. We believe only OUR type of intelligence “counts.” Because we use tools, because we have technology. I think in 1000 years when the Marcabians (!!!) come down to earth and see how we’ve decimated it, they’ll probably ask the cetaceans how these idiot bipeds managed to get control of and destroy a perfectly good planet. And the cetaceans, who only have a limited use of tools because they don’t have opposable digits, will tell them, “It’s a sure sign of an unintelligent species; – too many damned tools. Someone should’ve made them all into bacon.”

            • Zer0

              Perfect response, PI. The mirror test is, of course on par to giving an ACT test to an indigenous Papuan, with regard to the conclusions that can be garnered.

              Loathe the Japanese tradition of cetacean slaughter.

            • Poison Ivy

              Right now I’m temporarily living on a river where I watch wild dolphins strand feeding almost every day. They are so cool. It is so wonderful watching them in the wild as opposed to imprisoned in some aquarium. They are happy and free. They live really interesting lives and I think they look on us humans in our boats and kayaks and paddle boards with curiosity and mild interest. But we’re so secondary to their very full and busy lives. It puts our human concerns in perspective – we’re not the center of everyone’s universe! Only our own!

            • Zer0

              I used to take small boats out in the coastal marshes in the Carolinas, and the dolphins came up to my boat regularly, never ceased to amaze me how beautiful and intelligent they seemed

            • Poison Ivy

              That’s where I am right now 😉 Just had some around the kayak the other day. And yes, never ceases to amaze. They take my breath away. And they’re BIG! When four or five of them come to check out your boat, it can be intimidating – but you can tell there’s no aggression involved, just curiousity and sometimes almost sociability

            • ThetaBara

              My cats know what a mirror is. The kitten has even figured it out and she’s only 22 weeks old. The big ones use it to see where she is when she’s below them and they can’t see her directly.

          • Poison Ivy

            It is very species-centric of us to rely solely on the “mirror test” as a marker of animal intelligence and/or ‘self-awareness.’
            The mirror test is extremely useful and exciting, as we learn that other species have a sense of self that is somewhat analogous to our own.
            HOWEVER, to judge all animals by that marker is misleading.
            All creatures are imbued with mental toolkits that are designed to help that animal survive and thrive in its environmental niche.
            It may well be that pigs (and dogs) don’t care what’s in the mirror, because it doesn’t figure into their mental toolkit for navigating in their environment. In other words, that kind of recognition just DOESN’T MATTER to them.
            Dogs generally don’t respond to the mirror test. But I’ll bet there are Bunkerites here that have had a canine companion that they were sure was ‘self aware.’

      • Sherbet

        I never even heard of her, but any time Remini’s clip is run and rerun, I’m thrilled. Millions and millions of people are hearing the truth about the weird but harmless church that Tom Cruise belongs to. (Millions of people minus Barbara Walters, that is.)

    • Missionary Kid

      Yeah, well Wendy is just an anti-religious bigot…

      Aw, hell, I cant even do a parody of a $cion. I’m just happy that Wendy’s speaking up against Co$. I think that her statement is a bit over the top, though, as cruel and evil as Co$ is, a body in an alley is not their style.

    • Sarah James

      Scientologies reputation has preceded them. So many eyes on David Miscavige.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Wow.. That was seriously impressive..

      • Casabeca

        Thanks for your good advice btw…my friend stopped chemo last Wed, and passed away 3 min after arrival at hospice Sun night. She was well-loved until the end.
        I really appreciate you SPF :).

        • Poison Ivy

          So sorry, Casabeca. Hospice is beautiful. Sending prayers.

        • sugarplumfairy

          so sorry, Casa.. thinking about you..

    • Zer0

      Off the charts amazing!!! I am speechless!! Truly awesome. Thanks Leah, and thanks Tony for exposing the abuses of Scientology to such a degree that in just a few years, you have made it COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Pulitzer prize coming your way!!

    • DodoTheLaser

      Nice. The vid gets more views with EVERY refresh click! This is good.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Jumping from Chicago PD to Chicago Fire…which is about to start in a few minutes, new season, with my new favorite character actor “Christian Stolte” !

    Hoping for a very successful season, Christian!

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/07/28/with-leah-remini-under-attack-on-twitter-tv-actor-christian-stolte-was-a-first-responder/

    • Eclipse-girl

      He is good, isn’t he. Was so excited when I saw him in an Indie film (Kwik Stop)

    • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

      It starts at 10 (west coaster here) and I’ll be making a point to catch an episode for *cough* scientific purposes. Pay no attention to i-Betty and I drooling. Its all pavlovian something or other

  • dbloch7986

    Interesting how the church’s responses are becoming more and more juvenile.

    • Eclipse-girl

      DM has less and less brain power to devote to such distractions.

      • Poison Ivy

        That happens when you are rapidly going insane and paranoiac.

        Can any insiders tell us what his scotch consumption is right about now?

        That won’t be helping, Davey.

        • Zer0

          Court to DM: Please state your name

          DM to Court: Please define the word “name”

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Has DM devolved to needing pull-ups?

      • Eclipse-girl

        I always thought he need diapers, not pull ups

      • Steven

        yes…but they don’t come in preemie size…

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Oh god, now I’m imagining a DM headed Cabbage Patch preemie doll. Too creepy.

          • Sherbet

            With loopy yarn hair? No, L. Wrong. No.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              No, the preemies were bald I think. I had one and it was bald. I was a preemie.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, OK. I didn’t know.

          • 1subgenius

            He was not a preemie.
            He just wants to be loved.
            Is that so wrong?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Nice! You really ought to repost this today. Everyone else deserves to see it.

            • 1subgenius

              Feel free to do so, and adding your own comment, if you can find a way to post it in the context of the conversation.

    • Sherbet

      The only thing missing was a “nyah nyah” to finish off the press release.

      • Steven

        Hahahahahaha!!!

    • Poison Ivy

      Just wait until the next court appearance of the Scientology 15.

      I am awaiting with bated breath the next David Miscavige-scripted episode of CO$ law and order.

      “Are you picking a fight with Scientology? Google is Hearsay!”

  • media_lush

    secret GAT 2 Guinea pigs outed as exterior postulation runs amok due to Miscavige re-write

    • Eclipse-girl

      Sad, so sad

    • Sherbet

      Just Wow.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      At least it’s not Florida this time. For once.

    • Interested

      Pretty couple (ho hum)

    • 1subgenius

      Update: they got the real perp. But they let him stand on a box for the mugshot.

  • Jo
    • Sherbet

      Oh, gosh, you’re not kidding! Very funny!

      • Jo

        Those orgs are going to get some really strange phone calls, lol.

        • Sherbet

          Heh heh…

    • N. Graham

      I agree, this one was good! Thanks Peakofelephants! Reposting!

      • Poison Ivy

        Laughing out loud uncontrollably at this. It’s late, I’m punchy, Mr. PI back from a 16 hour day on the set. But damn! “Success through Creepy Staring” – PRICELESS!

      • Zer0

        Loved this one, credit to peakofelephants

    • NeverIn

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Thanks for the heads up! These are CLASSIC!

      • Jo

        Ps. I didn’t post them, I’m only guilty of laughing hysterically for the past hour or so. I’m innocent davey.

    • Zer0

      Did these get reposted here on this thread?

      • Jo

        No

  • richelieu jr

    OFFICIAL ©o$ RESPONSE BY KARIN POUW FOR REALS AND NOBODY NEVER PUT NO WORDS IN HER MOUTH ESPECIALLY NOT COB DAVID MISCAVIGE WHO IS LIKE A F’IN POPE, MAN! AND CERTAINLY DOESN’T HAVE TIME TO MICROMANAGE SILLY LITTLE STATMEENTS LIKE THIS VERY OFFICIAL ONE FRMT H FASTEST GROWING RELIGION O THE PLANET HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE F’IN BUILDINGS? HAVE YOU? THOSE ARE SOME NICE F’IN BUILDINGS, AN THERE ARE AN F’IN LOT OF ‘EM TOO! COUNT ‘M, GO AHEAD? I GOT NTUHIN’ BETTER TO DO AS I AM CERTAINALY NOT COB DAVID MISCAVIGE BIG BEING AND BEST MAN, YOU HEAR DAT? B E S T MAN, NOT SECOND BEST?AT TOM CRUISE NUMBER ONE MOVIE STAR ON THE F’IN PLANET’s WEDDING TO WHAT’S HER FACE? SE, NOBODY REMEMBERS HER, SO YOU DON’T F WIT DAVID MISCAVIGE, COB, WHO I MA NOT BUT MERELY REN POUW WHO PROBABLY NEVER EVEN MET SUCHA PRESTIGIOUS GUY AS M– M– MISTER MISCAVIGE TO YOU, POUW! DO YOU WANNA END UP INTHE HOLE LIKE PIE FACE? YSCOHBKP! OOPS! A LITTLE SCIENTOLOGY LINGO THERE WHICH BTW ALL CHURCHES HAVE THEIR OWN WORDS OR WHATEVER AND OUR CHURCH IS ALL CHURCHES, GET IT? ADN I MOST CERTAINLY WAS NOT PO– PO– GETTING POKE DIN THE CHEST BY MR MISCAVIGE WHO AHS MUCH BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN CLEAN UP AFTER MY OUT ETHIC BS FOR TH F’IN MILLIONTH TIME! OH, BOYA RE TYOU GONNA PAY FOR THIS!

    OK, SO NOW, ME , BEING KAREN PUW, DEFINITELY NOT IN ANY HOME WHICH YOU CAN’T PROVE AND ANYWAY THE MEDIA IS BIASED IN FAVOUR OF ENTHETA WHICH MEANS YOUA RE THE LIARS, YOU, NOT COB, AND I HOPE THE PSYCHIATRISTS ARE PAYIGN YOU IN KRUGERANDS AND NOT DEUTCHMARKS YOU WORTHY ORIENTAL GENTLEMEN ALL HOPPED UP ON YOUR PROZAC AND YOUR GOOSE STEPPING AND YOUR VALIUM RUSHES…

    SO TO SUM UP: KAREN POUX. YES! MR DAVID MISCAVIGE WHO IS LIKE AN F’IN POPE DONCHA KNOW, NO! FINGER POKING? NO! HOLE! NO! POPE? YES! RINDER? NO. MARTY? NO, NEVER TAUGHT HIM ALL I KNOW THE GREEDY BASTARD WHO NEVER HAD ENOUGH RANK TOP ASK ME ABOUT MY WIFE.. AH YES, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?

    Leah, who? The mouthy little bunhead from the Battlefield Earth knock off? No?

    REMINI.. What is dat, Sicilian? Sounds like a Mob name… Leah Brazi sleeps wit’ da fishes… Dat’s good one, eh? I got the whole Godfather saga on HD:DVD, spared no expence, I mean Dav– Mr Miscavige has got it and the quality, lemme tell you…

    But anywayss, Leah Relini. Never heard of her; And I hope she knows that I got a new girl who’s a lot prettier than her, yojnger and can relaly dance. SShe don’t tlak liek aturcker either, but who again? NEver heard of the chick.

    Signed,

    KAREN F’IN POUW

    (and ain’t been to Texas , neither. Here in the CoS OUr Maps stopped when Hubbard won da war. 48 Great UNITED States, so no Texas… Look, I don’t even got no visa… I pay cash on the barrlehead, baby… No freeloader I, I– I am KAREN POUW SIGNING OFF (I DO NOT! STOP POIING ME! I will NOT shut u—-) THUD.. DULL Dragging NOISE….

    • Sherbet

      Pssst, Bunkerites, I think richelieu has gone over the edge.

      So, what’s your point, Your Cardinalship?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Once you figure in local Paris time and the fact that there’s most likely a little one awake looking for food, I can understand how he ends up typing some of the funny stuff he does.

        • Sherbet

          I don’t know he can rub two brain cells together in the middle of a sleepless night and produce something so funny.

      • Eclipse-girl

        He is funny when he does that.

        • Sherbet

          He sure is.

      • aquaclara

        It is a faux Richelieu, Jr. The Cardinal has been cloned.

        • Sherbet

          That’s OK with me. You just can’t get enough richelieu in the Bunker.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Dude, that’s hard to read. Is it a letter from CO$ or a ransom note?

      EDIT: or an impression of DM on a post Scotch rant.

      • Sherbet

        With the Caps Lock stuck ON.

      • richelieu jr

        Man, I am so far the past the edge that I don’t even see the edge anymore;.
        It’s not even a line it’s just… nothing…

        It’s like there’s Larry Mullen jr, and there’s Adam Clayton, and that big bug-eyed bobble-head Bono and then.. nuthin’….
        … nuthin….

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Good save! It took ME two reads to get the Edge reference.

        • Sherbet

          Have you tried auditing? I hear it works really, really well for whatever ails you. We’ll need your credit card number. Oh, and what’s your credit limit?

          • N. Graham

            I’ll get on the phone to the credit card companies to get the limits raised!

          • Poison Ivy

            Just ask Theo.

          • richelieu jr

            Credit where credit is due, and none for me, edge or no Edge!

            I a too tired, it is almost 6am and I need sleep! I’ int he middle of a shoot and preparing for school and my boss is breaking my balls and AAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

            xo,
            d”

            “Glory is fleeting but obscurity is forever.” — Napoleon

    • Zer0

      Can anyone do a translation?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I don’t think Google can do a Richelieu to English yet. To much computing power needed.

        • Zer0

          Maybe one of those new quantum computers which specialize in pattern recognition. Maybe.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            That’s a tough one. It’s right up there with predicting the weather.

    • stillgrace

      ….. refresh!

  • Elen

    This is quite funny, scary & chilling…. give it a look….

    http://m.youtube.com/#/results?q=diane%20sawyer%20scientology&oq=diane%20sawyer%20scientology&gs_l=youtube-reduced.3…1638.16205.0.16695.24.19.0.5.5.0.138.1644.15j4.19.0….0…1ac.1.23.youtube-reduced..9.15.1102.uFqNQFeOqM8

    • Eclipse-girl

      Perhaps I am too thick. I am not getting a link to a channel. Is there a vid you want us to watch?

      • Elen

        We can always count on you to help!! Hope this works… it is actually hilarious….

        http://youtu.be/Ro9Y1KiXZMo

        • Sherbet

          Charlie makes more sense than any lrh lecture I’ve ever heard.

          • Elen

            He sounds exactly like DM!!!

            • Sherbet

              You mean when he said he’s the Pope…50 times the Pope? That was very DM-esque.

        • Eclipse-girl

          It did work and it is funny.

      • Elen

        Thanks sweetie!

  • Interested

    Can’t sleep. 4oclock in the morning, too much rolling around in my head so what to do … Back to Tony!

    • Ruby

      Pathetic, isn’t it? I do that too! :))

  • edge

    How does a guy who calls himself “ecclesiastical leader” call anyone self absorbed? Maybe they should hold DWTS in Tampa, and one of the contestants could say, off the cuff, “that big ugly cream colored building in Clearwater gives me the creeps”.

    And Daveyboy, the expression is supposed to be ‘COULDN’T care less’ not could. I would expect a high-school educated man looking at a dwindling spiral of membership to know something about contraction. But I will give you this: Unlike most releases to the press you didn’t put in the usual bullshit of 37 new churches in this one. By the way, did you ever find the degraded being, out ethics, evil intentioned, down toned, SP, ser facy bastard that leaked your IAS stage to Tony?

    • Poison Ivy

      “I would expect a high-school educated man looking at a dwindling spiral of membership to know something about contraction.”

      Brilliant!

    • ThetaBara

      It’s “ser facy cocksucker.” We must get our insults right!

      • edge

        Snap that’s right! On Hollywood Boulevard!

  • Ruby

    Ya know, I gotta say…something shifting here on the blog…starting with Monique and the live blogging? But, the comments are now consistently WAAAYY more than I can keep up with! More posters, more people coming here…and I love it! But, dang…sorry if I am not able to properly see everyone’s comment, up vote…and all that!

    • Davka

      I’m with you on that one, Ruby – way too much to kep up with!!!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I get through MAYBE 300-400 on a good day and then just give up, J&D a little and peace out.

    • Elen

      I know Ruby!! I had been a loooong time lurker…& I remember being able to read all the posts, … it was the live blogging that got me. In fact, my very first post was, “Refresh!!”

      • Ruby

        :))

  • SandiCorrena

    Nightline tweeted they’ll be talking about this tonight

    • Suiram

      Everyone is talking about this. It’s amazing. Not 10 years ago, the media was afraid to touch the church with a ten foot pole… look at them now!

      They’re like vultures! It’s AWESOME!!!

      • 1subgenius

        Once a spot of blood appears, all the other chickens peck it to establish the “pecking order”.

        • philosofa

          True. I saw it with my own chickens – had to remove the victim to a place of safety.

          Sharks also, but now it’s the shark (COB/co$) that’s doing the bleeding. And a good thing too.

    • Elen

      Thanks for that heads up… I would have missed it & it was beautiful!

  • N. Graham

    Oh, was she on DWTS? We didn’t even notice {sniff}. We’re too busy clearing the world to worry about wog entheta!

  • kickingit101

    Ok so Leah made one comment on National Prime Time TV that is seen by millions. Her whole segment was 5 minutes & 35 seconds long. It is now on every single morning news show, the View, all the entertainment TV shows, and countless stories online and in print have been done about it. So McMental Midget Idget tell us all again how you could “Care less if Leah wins or loses on DWTS” because it seems to me Leah has you by what few short and curlies you have left. The only thing Leah is doing is being Leah. Never Ever piss off a girl from the Bronx. BTW Davie boy Leah is getting PAID for her time and story as well as her opinion. She is being sought after. What are you doing today, polishing your Oiliness table?

    • Ruby

      Polishing the oilyness table?? No…I think Davey has left the building…………I really do.

  • Lady Squash

    What a snotty response! Are you sure you’re a Church?

    • Jo

      Are you picking a fight with the church of Scientology?

      • Poison Ivy

        I think we should add that slogan to the list of things to be made into Underground Bunker t-shirts…

        • Ruby

          Oh ya!!!!

        • Jo

          Would buy that, not sure if I would feel safe wearing it though.

      • Ruby

        hahaha!!!

  • Suiram

    Dangit, my Photoshop license ran out… this is the best I can do with second-grade programs…

    • Zer0

      Don’t fall on the birthday party! (Unless you have a sweater as a gift.)

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Tried GIMP at all ?

      • philosofa

        GIMP seems complicated – I downloaded a free version to make a banner for an e-shop for someone but I never got to grips with the layering etc. Not good at that sort of stuff, I guess.

  • SandiCorrena

    DCH investigation of #Scientology #Narconon of Georgia – case closed, hearing cancelled! http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12083.msg32687.html#msg32687
    Does anyone know what this means?

    • Poison Ivy

      HUH?

    • 1subgenius

      Could be wrong but It looks like the investigation was closed because they pulled the licenses and closed the facility.
      Watching for more news.

  • Elen

    Night line!!

    • Elen

      Wow! Wow! Wow! It’s hitting it all, Leah, Shelly, and a very nice mention of journalist Tony Ortega…. & no fringe comment either!!

      • kickingit101

        McMental Misget Idget must be flying off the handle right about now. There is not enough duct tape in the world to keep his head from exploding.

        • Elen

          No kidding! I love all the adjectives they use for what $cn does & says!

          • kickingit101

            Now the smart thing would be for Davey boy to go sit in the corner and shut up. That would be the smart thing to do. But since we all know he is in no way smart, I would bet my money on a full court press to attempt to “Dead Agent” Leah. Right now Leah is treating him with kid gloves and she is already knocking him around like a rag doll. If he tries to Dead Agent her then she will take off the gloves and go bare knuckle on his little ass. Davey can not even begin to imagine what type of shit storm he is sitting in the middle of.

            • Narapoid

              Or She can stay on the high road and let him impale himself on his own sharp words.

            • kickingit101

              She is staying on the high road. She is talking about her family and her have been affected. She is telling her story. Davey is the one trying to say she needs the attention. That she is self absorbed. She can not help that she is one of the biggest stars to have left the Church of Conocology, and since they spent years having used her fame for their benefit now they see how detrimental that same fame when turned towards them will hurt them much more than it will ever hurt her. She has gained credibility by leaving and doing so on her own terms. Now Davey boy can only sit back and watch as his empire comes crashing down all around him. And with the video of Tom Cruise being batshit crazy now being seen by even more eyes than before this whole thing is like a snowball rolling down a very long hill.

        • Narapoid

          He’s been slapping the staff again. “Do something about the stats, NOW!!!!” *slap*.

          All the poor pilgrims can do is downvote totally accurate posts like the one above. Sad, so sad.

      • Zer0

        Oh crap, how awesome!

    • InterestedinCrazy

      Would you mind giving us a quick bulletpointed summary for those of us who cannot access that programme from abroad?

      • Elen

        We’ll… let’s see… (oh, bunkerites – I’m counting on you to correct, edit & fill in!! – No pressure)

        Ok, started with background, (clip of TC leaked vid) – the standard crazy pic of DM, Leah, then went on to talk about how she left, highlighted Ellen comments on disconnection, how Haggis called her “brave” How she asked about Shelly, – $cn ridiculous response to the missing persons report, Debbie Cook, equally “scathing” response from the church about Leah on DWTS… Short but jam packed. I’m sure the segment will be up on abc.com tomorrow.

        • Elen

          Waiting for my down vote Debbie!!! Please & thank you

          • Elen

            Yay! But what about that one, and this one…?

        • InterestedinCrazy

          Excellent, so glad to see it’s being covered on mainstream telly! Where I live (in Ireland) the org is so battered and bruised it would be below a ‘Lost/Stolen Bicycle’ story in the paper!

          • Elen

            Thank you & cheers Mr. Crazy! That is what we are aiming for… battered, bruised and hopefully lots of rubble.

            • InterestedinCrazy

              Ms. Crazy!!

            • Elen

              Oh, so sorry! My sincere apologies Ms., Madame, Beautiful Lady Crazy!!!! 😉

              This reminds me of a favorite New Yorker cartoon… A dog is sitting at a computer speaking to another pup… the caption reads “And the best part is that no one knows you’re a dog!” So, I can finally say Woof! (To me, not you by any means Madame)

        • InterestedinCrazy

          If DD won’t thank you, itself, I will!

          Thanks!

      • Elen
    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks. I’m glad I checked in. I’m out here on the left coast, and it comes on at 3:30 your time. I set the VCR in case I fall asleep.

      • Missionary Kid

        Ooh, I’m sooo hurt by the downvote. Co$ must be fucking desperate.
        You don’t realize that it’s a badge of honor here, do you?

      • Elen

        SandiCorrena gave the heads up.(a bit down the page).. otherwise I’d have missed it & it was truly brilliant reporting!

        • Missionary Kid

          What it was is a recompilation of reports already done, plus the Dancing With The Stars (DWTS) stuff that was on this morning.

          It included the reports on Debbie Cook, along with her trial, as well as other sources. Of course, it had the usual crap that Co$ puts out to rebut everything, but the report made it sound like that’s what it was: the same old crap.

          • Elen

            Thanks Kid! Much more concise & clear than my synopsis below! I just hope the link works… it doesn’t on my android tablet.

            • Missionary Kid

              Here’s a different way to get there. First, you go to nightline http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/ then click on the picture of Leah.

            • Elen

              The small pic on the right, and still no go on my android tablet. 🙁

            • Missionary Kid

              I had it as a big picture of her, under a headline, in the middle, with the Label “Leah Remini: Church of Scientology ‘Looking for me to fail.’

  • Ruby

    Wow…Debbie downer is up late tonight! Must be a “hill 10” target to meet.

    • Ruby

      That’s funny! You got that up fast!!

    • Ruby

      Wow! This is the first time I have had 2 downvotes! Upstat! I think I will be the envy of many other posters here!

  • Suiram

    New tech: Downstat? Postulate a win by downvoting at the Bunker!

    • Missionary Kid

      Aren’t you terrified about being down-voted? Don’t you just tremble at the thought of getting such a meaningless electronic vote?

      To quote Bugs Bunny, who is just as fictional as LRH’s religion, Dildo Down-voter is a Maroon.

      • Gregory Nietsky

        Ill get back to you after some coffee i just dont feel the give a fuck at the moment …

        • Missionary Kid

          *Laugh* I should have used the sarcasm brackets. I don’t really give a fuck, either.

          • Gregory Nietsky

            they were implied 😀

  • Ruby

    I can’t wait for tomorrow’s post so I can announce to everyone that I got 2 down votes this evening! Wow!! Maybe BTN will make me a caek! :))

    • Missionary Kid

      Yeah, Dildo Downer is out early. Usually, they wait until Thursday so they can get their stats in.

      • Ruby

        Ya, well, with all the bad press, they need to start earlier this week if they think they have a chance to balance out the bad vs. good press stats.

        • Missionary Kid

          Chuckle. I’ve been upvoting myself if Dildo Downvoter hits me. I gave you an upvote because by the time I got to your reply, they’d hit you.

          • Ruby

            :)) funny.

    • kickingit101

      I think you need to recount. LOL, I do not know who they are but they are indeed rather entertaining because you know they are sitting there in their little dark room filled with cigarette smoke, smelling like unwashed ass (You know kind of how Krusty’s house must smell), constanly hitting the down arrow on each of our posts and they believe, no they know that they are the only one who can help Davey boy, and how much it is an honor to be sitting there having not showered with empty cans of refried beans strewn all around them, with a manic type of energy. Constantly saying oh now you can’t get away from me, down arrow down arrow, hehehehe that will show them not to pick a fight with Scientology. I am only 5,000 down votes away from getting a Tom Cruise autographed photo for my desk, then everyone will know he is mine, all mine, and I will move to Hollywood and will live in one of his mansions and never have to eat refried beans again. How is that for an entertaining visual?

      • Missionary Kid

        I find it a horror story. Just having a TC autographed photo may be nice to those unfamiliar with Co$, but to those of us who know, I think I’d rather have a picture of Hannibal Lector. At least he’s fictional.

        • kickingit101

          Well I am a lesbian so I never got that whole Tom Cruise is a sex symbol thing. It was lost on me, and the only movie of his I liked was Taps.

          • Missionary Kid

            I hardly remember Taps, but the person that I remember most from it is Timothy Hutton. I did like Cruz in Risky Business, (I fell in love with Rebecca deMorney) and I think that Dustin Hoffman made him look good in Rainman.

            Because I’ve been in the Marine Corps, I found both Top Gun and A Few Good Men laughable. That, of course, is the writer’s and director’s fault, but they were making movies, not depicting real life.

            I think that Cruise has been fortunate to have the roles he has. He is a reasonably good actor, but I believe that his range is from A to C, while Nichole Kidman’s range is at least A to S, if not Z. She takes chances in her roles. He doesn’t.

            His sex symbol thing is a result of his roles. It is, IMO, a veneer.

          • Nevermore

            I’m a straight female, and I never got it either!

      • Ruby

        The 2 downvote post is below somewhere. 🙂

    • philosofa

      Keeping my fingers crossed for you, Ruby. You deserve those lovely downvotes. Oooh, did someone say caek…

    • Zana

      I just gave you a downvote! Happy Un-birthday! Hope it makes your day. 🙂

  • DodoTheLaser

    Re-posting the epic vid from Wendy Williams:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLXBUIVU-PE&feature=youtu.be

    • Narapoid

      I guess David is up late tonight, can’t comment, but he can downvote. How sad for him, he really wants to degrade us, and this is what he’s fallen to. Total effect, no cause.

      • Nevermore

        If he was the big being he claims he is, he’d get himself an ID and have at us. Coward.

      • philosofa

        Downvotes uplift us! More please….

    • 1subgenius

      fuckin’ A Wendy!
      “Cause that’s the kind of organization you don’t leave or you’ll be found bloody in the alley.”
      “Do you all know that what she’s doing is very brave of her?”
      and more juice.
      OMG best commentary so far….

      • Missionary Kid

        I found that statement a bit over the top. They are vicious, but in a more psychological way. They want to drive their enemies to suicide instead of outright killing them.

        Of course, their nutty theories about physiology also kill people in their own flock because they can’t recognize mental disorientation caused by malnutrition and dehydration – that they caused.

  • InterestedinCrazy

    I just want to say thank you all so much for what you do, both to keep me entertained but more importantly, to get the truth out about the co$. This place is quickly becoming my ‘first hit’ on my daily news check!
    I can’t stop laughing though at Black Rob’s thread on WWP about the theta in his mirror. Amazing to see real authentic posts from those still ‘in’ on FB. Delusional!

    • philosofa

      Hi there, InterestedinCrazy.

      You’re right. Tony O and the Bunker Dwellers are a formidable force in disseminating “the truth about the co$” as you put it, and the snark here is beautiful!

      You’re right again about Black Rob on wwp. He does fine work and is v. lulzy..

  • Gregory Nietsky

    Ok this twitter thing is not good for my health if you dont hear from me for a while …. ill repeat to myself dont fuck with the cops … dont fuck with the cops. …. ooops too late

  • media_lush

    Is it just me or does anyone else find Safari on iPad crashes a lot on this site…. numerous times a day, especially on up votes and page add more comments?

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Someone else commented eariler re IOS7 try firefox it allows more protection of privacy not sure if there is a IOS version. may get a phone again with firefox/ubuntu Android is not “safe” either

    • Gregory Nietsky

      PS Safari/Chrome use Webkit as the browser base so chrome might play up too

      • media_lush

        I’ve switched to chrome and scrolled and loaded loads of comments with no issue….. I guess it’s a Safari glitch with Disqus

        • Gregory Nietsky

          cool that it works

    • Sydjazz

      I have been having trouble since ios7 came out

  • Nevermore

    Nooooooooooo! Someone was handing out downvotes, and I missed them! Curse my need for sleep! If i had Soopah Powerz i could stay awake with the night shift!

    • Gregory Nietsky

      I was so devistated too

    • philosofa

      Gah! Missed it again! 😉

  • Nevermore

    I just went back to my allotted Craigslist area, and all the posts that come up have warnings about Scientology in their heading – good work whoever is responsible!

    • Gregory Nietsky

      This is a fuginfantastic win CL doing work for us its inevitable with a concerted campaign to have the internet company help out. most web companies ive dealt with take any scam/spam/fraud seriously and will help out.

      well done !!

      the story could have gone like this …
      1)Co$ sees ads disapearing
      2)Co$ calls up and threatans CL [pick a fight with internet]
      3)CL does not have a big give a fuck and puts warning up on all there ads

      alternate/additionally someone discussed this with CL and they are looking out for customers and added this protection.

  • philosofa

    Mornin’ Bunkerites. Hope everyone had a splendid time while we in the UK were fast asleep. Going to try and catch up with the comments before Tony O posts his new article.

    WoW! 1862 comments – thank Xenu I speed read!

    • Gregory Nietsky

      This is stoopid powahz free zone some are mortals ….

      • philosofa

        hahahaha. Surely not!?

  • Gregory Nietsky

    Can someone from the Co$ please please handle me i feel like been dirty

  • Krew13

    The biggest irony of the Choke of Scamatology and its midget fuhrer is that Miscmidget hasn’t the guts to personally confront and harass all the people he orders his minions to go out and harass. He’s a spineless, gutless little prick who’d shit his pants if he came face to face with Jason Beghe. Beghe’s gravelly badass voice alone would make that fuckwit soil his underwear. Someone needs to confront that gutless psychopathic cunt. But then that’s why the pathetic little midget surrounds himself with security. He’s a pathetic shitty little coward.

  • Sydjazz

    Hey down voters cop this hehe

  • Gregory Nietsky

    How to spread scientology

    1)Take a personality test see how disfunctional you are
    2)Pay some $$$ for auditing and courses get told how you winning
    3)Pay a LOT MORE $$$$$$
    4)Tell your friends who laugh at you and think you a loon as they have interw3bz
    5)Target people who are looking to break out and better them selves on craigslist
    6)Your friends with the interw3bz smackdown craigslist
    7)you downstat outta cash join sea bORG
    8)you get put on interw3bz patrol and find your friends still laughing having fun esp when you apply downvote tech
    9)you downstat ….. get RPF’d

    10)your leader pops
    11)you blow
    12)now you with your friends smacking down the cult on the interw3bz

  • marti

    Barbara Walters said on The View Tuesday:
    “Some people might say this will get her more votes because she said Scientology wants her to fail.
    We got to show that we don’t want her to fail.”
    This was in response to Leah’s DWTS comment about the chirch wants her to fail.

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Me thinks she is out the closet and dont know the party line so this is even more “Black PR”

      • marti

        I liked the fact that Barbra said. “We don’t want her to fail.”

        • Gregory Nietsky

          I suspect we is inclusive of scientology perhaps just “the view” or her backpedalling. looks stupid either way

          • marti

            At least said it.

            • Gregory Nietsky

              That is indeed a great thing indeed 100%

    • phronsie

      Soooo….does that mean Baba Wawa is confessing that she sides with (or actually is in) scientology?? Hmmmm…..

    • Duladeeda

      While most pundits have no trouble professing their opinion regarding the COS’s nanny-nanny boo-booings, Miss Walters makes it her biniz not to opine, regardless of ridicularity.

    • Narapoid

      Yep, she got her mail. If the SOB of RTC had said that , it would have showed some class, so of course he didn’t! He He tic toc

  • cdub

    The church response, “self-absorbed” and so on, just seems so unbecoming to the pillar of society they purport to be. Maybe they have very little experience dealing with celebrity defectors? Anyway it looks like it’s easy for celebrities to get free publicity out of them.

    • .. and it would be so wrong to start e-mailing all the news websites with fake spokesperson messages (the trolls from this board know the kind of messages I’m talking about…)

  • Spiderpope

    “We know this may come as a surprise to someone as self-absorbed as Ms.
    Remini, but we could care less if she wins or loses on Dancing With the
    Stars.”

    Hah, for once the American mis-use of that phrase actually rings true. The correct phrase is of course “couldn’t care less”, “could care less” means they actually do care.

  • Robin Descamp-Sand

    Talk about your Freudian slip: “…we could care less if she wins or loses on Dancing With the Stars” Well yes, that’s the point. You could care less. You could care a hell of a lot less. That’s the problem: how much you care. Weird shit. Leah and Jason: kudos to you both. You never struck me as gung-ho and rabidly dedicated as Cruise, Alley and Elfmann.
    http://www.askdescamp.com

  • 1Love1Heart

    So the “Church” responds to Remini’s remarks by calling her “self absorbed” among other things. Never known a church to go out of their way to describe a former follower so publicly. “No comment” is usually standard or “we pray for her”, but that’s just weird. What an odd group. They are less Church and more “Mean Girls”, but in a creepy, cultish,
    petty way. Certainly not an organization I would follow, let alone pump money into. They can teach me nothing…unless I want to learn how to be bitchy and petty rather than learning to grow as a human being.

  • Sydjazz

    Onya davo

  • LindaFromNewYork

    “We know this may come as a surprise to someone as self-absorbed as Ms.
    Remini, but we could care less if she wins or loses on Dancing With the
    Stars.” OMG. They seem to respond to every little thing..which makes them, and that Miscavage dude, out to be be exactly what they are…a cult of lunatic crybabies. Every time they, and the likes of Kirstie Alley, open their mouths, it just makes me believe even more so, what is said about them.

    I have never commented before but have been following this blog and many other stories, as I am just fascinated by these scientologists, David Miscavage and (ugh) Tom Cruise and what a crock this is.

  • Anna Xenophon

    Ohhhh…she shouldn’t be out in public if she’s gonna pull a Nancy Many.

  • J. Paul Zoccali

    If there’s anyone reading this who knows Jason, please point him to by blog, Communication By Symbol, which details, in its most recent post, my experiences with covert brainwashing and its apparent connection to Scientology.

  • RK

    It’s so Ironic how an Organization can sell itself on being so Ethical, honest and saving the planet from the insane are insane itself.
    They don’t even practice what they preach.. “Treat others as you would like to be treated”? ” Don’t do to others as you would not like don’t to you”, … right out of LRon’s The way to Happiness book…
    Such Hipocrates. HE even talks about what an Anti Social personality does and where they are on the “Tone Scale” .. The Scienotologist need to look at themselves because THEY are the Insane bunch.
    They do nothing for Mankind, … nothing! They certainly can not talk to anyone on any subject at any time…
    They run and hide and only covertly show their hostility .. where is that on the Tone scale…
    hmmmm
    When I was leaving the “church” and routing out for good, the one fellow there who always enthusiastically said HI to me , seen me but refused to even say Hi to me. I was not leaving as an SP , just told them it was no longer for me … When I was handed my refund check at that moment I felt their entire attitude turn to total enemy to me and told me to leave the building . I’m surprised they didn’t have security throw me on the street….
    It took me long time to finally come to grips that this Organization that I truly thought was about Ethics and descentsy was a corrupt and brainwashed group believing in any thing the “founder” told them…
    If he said ” on OT 9 you will drink poison and leave your body to be with me on planet pluto” , they would do it and never think twice about it.
    The blinders are on and fully closed to reality.