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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Scientology’s Drug Rehab Fights Class-Action Lawsuit With Move to Federal Court

Narconon_GeorgiaIn June, Atlanta attorney Jeff Harris filed a class-action lawsuit against Scientology and its drug rehab network, Narconon, with seven named plaintiffs who are alleging fraud, deceptive practices, and negligence.

Harris had earlier handled a wrongful death lawsuit against Narconon Georgia following the 2008 overdose death of Patrick Desmond, a patient and employee of the Atlanta-area rehab center. The lawsuit was settled this past February, but documents that Harris obtained helped launch ongoing local and state investigations of credit card and insurance fraud, and resulted in a raid of the facility by law enforcement agents.

Now, Scientology is fighting back against the class-action lawsuit by having it removed to federal court and filing multiple motions to dismiss. We have the documents.

In the lawsuit, Harris named not only the local organization that runs the rehab center — Narconon Georgia — but also Narconon’s umbrella organization — Narconon International — and its parent group, which runs all of Scientology’s “social betterment” operations — the Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE) — as well as the top entity that runs Scientology itself, the Religious Technology Center (RTC). The man who runs RTC, church leader David Miscavige, is said by numerous former high-level officials to wield tight control of all Scientology entities.

Harris is attempting to show that the Narconon model is a deceptive one that relies on the public’s ignorance about its connections to the Church of Scientology. As we have shown in numerous stories, based on documents produced in the Desmond lawsuit as well as first-hand accounts by former Narconon officials, the drug rehab network is used as a cash cow by the church, which puts heavy pressure on its executives to bring in more revenue. They accomplish that by operating hundreds of generic-sounding websites that pose as impartial referral services but are actually set up to convince callers to go to Narconon centers. Potential clients are told that Narconon centers offer individual drug counseling in a safe, secure environment staffed by medical personnel.

In reality, court documents show, instead of invidualized drug counseling, patients go through the same Scientology training that beginning church members do, the facilities are staffed not by medical personnel but by former addicts who are hired after they complete the program, and Narconon Georgia’s own documents, as well as lawsuits in other places, allege that the facilities are rife with drug use.

On July 2, the defendants had the class-action lawsuit removed to the U.S. District Court for the northern district of Georgia, Atlanta division, under the Class Action Fairness Act of 2005, a Bush-era law supported by tort-reform advocates that critics charged would make it harder to sue large corporations.

One of the requirements of removing a class-action lawsuit to federal court under CAFA is demonstrating that it would result in at least $5 million in damages. So the Scientology defendants found themselves having to total up their possible liability while asserting that the suit was groundless.

Based on what the plaintiffs are asking for, Narconon International calculated that it could potentially have to pay $72,300 per former patient, trebled to $216,900, with the likelihood of 100 or more plaintiffs — for a total of $21,690,000 plus punitive damages.

After removing the case to the federal court, on July 9 the defendants all filed motions to dismiss the lawsuit, but each on different principles.

Narconon Georgia, in its motion to dismiss, says that Harris’s complaint isn’t specific enough, and that it doesn’t include copies of actual contracts between the patients and the drug rehab facility. However, in a footnote, Narconon Georgia admits that it couldn’t find copies of contracts for three of the plaintiffs, which seems an embarrassing admission.

Even more embarrassing, however, is this argument by Narconon Georgia…

First, the contract plainly shows that NNGA did not promise a “drug-free environment;” rather, it imposed rules of conduct and discipline on its students that were intended to promote a drug-free environment. That the Student Rules of Conduct state, for example, “[n]on-prescribed drugs and alcohol are forbidden to be brought into the Narconon facility,” indicates that, while the NNGA aspired to be a “drug-free environment,” NNGA was not insuring a “drug-free environment.”

That may be something to keep in mind if you’re thinking of sending a loved one to a Narconon center.

Narconon International, in its motion to dismiss, criticizes the Harris complaint for accusing Narconon of hiding its connections to Scientology. The plaintiffs should be focused on the contracts the former patients signed, the defendant suggests, and those contracts were with the local Narconon, not Narconon International.

ABLE, in its motion to dismiss, also says it was not involved in the specific treatment given patients at Narconon Georgia. It merely licenses Narconon trademarks to Narconon International, who in turn licenses them to the local rehab centers. “Notably, there are no specific allegations of any actions taken by ABLE in the Complaint. ABLE is merely an add-on party to a complaint that focuses on the actions of other Defendants,” the memorandum supporting the motion says.

RTC, in its motion to dismiss, says what it always does, that it has nothing to do with anything: “Contrary to Plaintiffs’ allegations, RTC does not own or control any of the other Defendants in this case and does not own any of the intellectual property associated with the Narconon program.”

The Religious Technology Center was created in the early 1980s when Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard had gone into hiding to avoid being pulled into a federal prosecution of eleven top church officials, and to avoid being pulled into numerous lawsuits. To insulate himself, he asked for a major reorganization of Scientology, resulting in a byzantine, interlocking set of entities with murky relationships to each other. In 2002, former Scientology spokesman Robert Vaughn Young produced a lengthy affidavit asserting that the alphabet soup of entities is really a smokescreen, and that all that matters is David Miscavige’s position at the top of Scientology’s “Sea Organization,” which really runs things. This, Vaughn Young insisted, is how something like RTC could seem to have only a minor role — licensing L. Ron Hubbard’s copyrights and trademarks — and actually wield total control over everything done in the name of Scientology.

When it is hauled into court, however, Scientology’s strategy is always to insist that its entities have nothing to do with each other: Narconon is separate from Scientology, ABLE is a non-profit that operates on its own, RTC essentially does nothing.

It will be interesting to see how Harris and the plaintiffs counter this well-rehearsed legal strategy.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on July 15, 2013 at 07:00

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  • richelieu jr

    Ruh oh!

    • 0tessa

      What does that mean? (I’m not US).

      • DodoTheLaser

        Narconon is sued for fraud and because people died (negligence).
        RTC, ABLE (scientology) say they have nothing to do with it.

      • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

        Scooby-Doo is an America cartoon show from the 1960s. Ruh-oh!(a doggy version of uh-oh!) is what the title character says whenever there is some sort of weird thing going on. Basically, he and his ‘owners'(think two Ambercrombie and Finch models, a nerd young woman and his owner, a tall, thin quasi-hippy known as Shaggy)go around the country investigating ghost stories and weird events, all of which turn out to be caused by someone who wants to scare people away from an area or place so that they can profit or get revenge in someway. Like the Perry Mason show, the climax always turns out to be the unmasking of the perpetrator, and a confession, which usually ends with some variant of “And I would’ve gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling kids!”

        • Phil McKraken

          I do believe it’s ruh-roh, not ruh-oh. Now can I have my Shaggy snack?

          • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

            Scooby snack, although I wouldn’t be surprised if Shaggy ate them as well after a few minutes alone in the Mystery Machine(a Volkswagon van) where he was ‘meditating’, if you know what I mean.

            • Phil McKraken

              I’ve been around some. I know the difference between a Scooby snack and a Shaggy snack.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSjj4BhnT-E

            • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

              Good catch, I was more into the Filmation DC comics superheros like Superman or their Hanna-Barbera equivalents.

          • stillgrace

            That’s a Bingo. Here’s your Shaggy snack! Good Boy!

          • Sunny Sands

            Ruh-roh it is.

          • ze moo

            ‘Rut, row’ is the proper quote. Scooby was modeled after the Jetsons ‘astro’.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcM4sOaXgmI

            • Robert Eckert

              Whose original name was Tralfaz.

            • FLUNK_101

              And the old Brill cream advertising slogan “A little dab will do ya” was the inspiration for “Yaba daba do!”

            • Robert Eckert

              And Yogi Bear was named for Yogi Berra, not the reverse as the poorly-educated kids of today tend to assume (Berra got the nickname “Yogi” because he liked to meditate before the game)

            • FLUNK_101

              I did not know that! He was truly a yogi … he was so Zen! He was asked why he no longer went to Ruggeri’s, a St. Louis restaurant: “Nobody goes there anymore. It’s too busy.”

            • Robert Eckert

              “I never said half those things I said!”

          • Minion Gayle

            Scooby snacks. *g* Would you like the cinnamon graham cracker version?

            Yes, I really have those in my house. Sometimes, I share them with the kid, too.

        • 0tessa

          Thanks. That explains it!

        • Missionary Kid

          Actually, the same type of sound was used much earlier, by Soupy Sales, with his dog characters White Fang and Black Tooth in the early ’60s who would talk to Soupy.

          • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

            I wouldn’t be surprised, Hanna-Barbera cartoons, in addition to being a sort of limited animation, grabbed everything they could(the dogs’ name came from a ‘scat’ or nonsense word used in jazz singing by Frank Sinatra) that wasn’t nailed down. I always wondered about that because Frank Sinatra was notorious for his temper, which was once confirmed to me personally in an eyewitness account by someone who woke him up by being too noisy one fine morning in Palm Springs.

            • Missionary Kid

              Sinatra could be a real asshole, but he also was extremely generous. His reputation around Palm Springs was generally as being very demanding as far as services and goods being provided, but also as someone who paid very well and of taking care of the people who were doing the work.

              The story is that when he came out to get his car, he asked the valet, “What’s the biggest tip you’ve ever gotten.” When the valet said it was $100, Sinatra said, “Here’s $200.”

              Who was the person who gave him the $100 tip? Sinatra.

              Sinatra donated to a lot of charities in the area, particularly the Boys’ and Girls’ clubs.

              Bob Hope, on the other hand, was a notorious cheapskate. Supposedly, he only gave money to charities if his name could be displayed prominently. He was also a lousy tipper.

            • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

              Yeah, I have an anger management problem that runs in my family, so I’m not one to get on a high horse about things. My informant had been clumsy and disturbed Frank when he was changing the water softener tank in his home.

              My Scots-English great-grandfather, who died before I was born, once reputedly torn a telephone off the wall because it woke him from his nap. My mothers’ then high-tech solution to avoid being awoken from her nap was to pay extra to get a telephone with a 4-pronged end that you could unplug. To wake her up from her nap was like unleashing the White-Boned Demon of Chinese mythology to possess her.. A friend once asked me, “Were you afraid because of the harm the demon might do to your mother?”. I replied, “Hell, no, I was afraid of what the demon might do to us with Mom’s body.”

              Re: Bob Hope: I once dated a woman whose sister and brother-in-law lived in Studio City a couple of blocks off of Lankershim Blvd, where they had some commercial real estate and owned an insurance agency. The BIL said that Bob Hope was notorious for his people not paying their bills on time. Since he was suppose to be worth 200 million or so at that time, I find that kind of behavior that breeds ill-will and is inexplicable but from what I heard of his personal life from other sources, not surprising.

              It should be pointed out that 100$ back then was like 500-700 $ today.

            • Missionary Kid

              My ex-wife, if woken from her sleep before she felt she should be woken, and before she had her first cup of coffee and cigarette, would be a dragon with PMS.

              Our kids learned to be VERY careful around her in the morning.

              I wouldn’t tolerate the same behavior from my kids. I didn’t expect them to be sweetness and light, but at least to be civil, and that’s how they turned out.

            • FLUNK_101

              Good for you, MK! Sounds like you were a considerate husband … and a great Dad.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thank goodness I’m not married to her, and I feel sorry for the guy she married after me. I wasn’t that considerate a husband, but I learned to avoid the Wrath of Kahn.

              It definitely contributed to the ultimate divorce.

              I knew that if my kids were allowed to repeat the behavior, it would not be good for the rest of their lives. I don’t know if I really had any effect, but at least I tried, and they aren’t crabby in the morning.

            • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

              I learned to do almost anything quietly, like watch TV, when Mom was taking her afternoon nap. I used to say that I could probably lead a herd of elephants past her bedroom so that you could hear a pin drop.

            • ParticleMom

              Maybe he was just using Hubbard bill-paying tech?

            • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

              I don’t think anyone had to take him to court, but I got the impression that being late on ones’ bills in LA wasn’t a very good thing, especially for a man whose wealth was well-known by then.

              As for owning his GI tours and Christmas specials, that doesn’t surprise me, I’m sure he loved every penny he got for the ones where Marilyn Monroe accompanied him. She is certainly more popular than the cornball humor he used to squeeze out of his writers to use on such occasions. That was another secret of his success, he had more material than a single person could write and still have an active showbiz career as well.

              Now, Jack Benny, aside from actually being able to play the violin quite well, from all the accounts I’ve read, was a mensch, if I may resort to a Yiddish term of approval, but in a quiet way.

            • FistOfXenu

              And yet Bob Hope was always ragging on Jack Benny because Benny made being a cheap skate a big part of his schtick. But I heard from people that knew him that Benny was really a generous guy.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re right. Benny was not only generous with his money, but his time as well.
              His cheapness was only a shtick.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m from the U.S., and I don’t understand your comment. That seems like something Scooby-Doo, the cartoon dog character would say. Or is that your ipad talking?

      • DodoTheLaser

        Translating Cardinal: Hell Yeah!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Translating Cardinal: Hell Yeah!

      • richelieu jr

        It is Scooby Doo or one of his carbon copies in the other Hanna Barbera stuff… He is saying ‘Uh oh!”

        I didn’t intend it to be so obscure. I thought is was a pretty universal reference– Oops!
        And just for the record, Otessa– I’ non-US, too!

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m older than the Scooby Doo crowd. I’m of the original Warner Brothers, Woody Woodpecker, and, occasionally Disney cartoons. (Disney held them pretty close and only showed them on Disney shows.)

          I thought Scooby Doo was dumb, and I’d describe the plot line as “something scary scares people, and after humorous events where the characters are scared, it turns out it was someone posing as something supernatural.”

          It all depends on what age one is imprinted with something.

          • richelieu jr

            Don’t forget the guy always pulling off a rubber mask at the end and confessing everything,”Ad I woulda gotten away with it too)) It it weren’t for these darn (or ‘meddling’) kids!“Yeah it was stupid alright, but it was Proust’s A La Recherche du Temps Perdu when compared to.. Scrappy Do, and the Special Guest Stars of the week (Abbbot and Costello, anyone?

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t remember any of those episodes, because I didn’t watch it that much, but those all fit in with the general plot line.

        • noseinabk

          It may not be universal but I see it used frequently.

        • Casabeca

          I think your use of English is exceptional! Love your posts.

  • Observer

    Can an appeal to the US Supreme Court be far behind? *eyeroll*

    The “church”‘s responses are nothing but sophistry. NarCONon’s “First, the contract plainly shows that NNGA did not promise a ‘drug-free environment …'” sounds like crap a 12-year-old would try to pull on the parental units. And with the huge money trail leading directly from NarCONon to ABLE and RTC, their protestations of innocence fall a little flat.

    Here’s hoping they get a hanging judge with no tolerance for deceitful shenanigans.

    • Phil McKraken

      Argument by word games. What would Professor Kingsfield say?

      • Missionary Kid

        For those who are foreigners, younger, and who didn’t see the movie, read the book or see the TV show, Professor Kingsfield was the fictional college law professor.

        • Phil McKraken

          “Mister Hart, here is a dime. Take it, call your mother, and tell her there is serious doubt about you ever becoming a lawyer.”

          • Missionary Kid

            The fact that a phone call cost a dime shows how long ago that was done. :D

          • stanrogers

            That can never be remade. John Houseman was necessary.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Film and television program “The Paper Chase.”

          • Missionary Kid

            Oops. Thanks.

          • Kim O’Brien

            man …i am old . I totally got that reference and even remembered the tweed jacket. Shit

  • Observer

    Can an appeal to the US Supreme Court be far behind? *eyeroll*

    The “church”‘s responses are nothing but sophistry. NarCONon’s “First, the contract plainly shows that NNGA did not promise a ‘drug-free environment …'” sounds like crap a 12-year-old would try to pull on the parental units. And with the huge money trail leading directly from NarCONon to ABLE and RTC, their protestations of innocence fall a little flat.

    Here’s hoping they get a hanging judge with no tolerance for deceitful shenanigans.

  • dagobarbz

    Uh oh…the Church of Spiritual Technology owns the copyrights to everything Hubbardian, so RTC can say ‘It ain’t us,” and ABLE can say “It ain’t us,” and nobody’s to blame because CST got left off the lawsuit.

    I’d hate to see that happen, but that’s exactly why the cult is set up as it is. Accountability? FAGEDDABOUDIT!

    • Poison Ivy

      I noticed on the Org chart, RTC is sort of hovering above it all, not connected to or beholden to anything or anyone. Certainly no “watchdog committee” (does that even exist anymore?) Pretty sweet position to be in for COB. No checks, no balances, ultimate God-like power.

      • stanrogers

        And, therefore, no visible means of support. Damned shame there’s no vagrancy law, but it’s still reasonable cause for assuming “living off the avails…”.

        • MissCandle

          Like a playtex living bra — no visible means of support.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Why would anyone expect a drug rehab to be a drug free environment?

    Lower your expectations people!
    We are talking Scientology here!

    • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

      “We say it’s a drug-free environment, but, hey, it’s not like we do anything to insure that it’s drug-free.”

      • Poison Ivy

        We “aspire” to be a drug-free environment. Of course, we also “aspire” to levitate ashtrays with our minds.

        It’s the thought that counts, people!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Always check the verbs and adverbs of Any scientological statement. It’s like a little tour guide tool.

    • 10oriocookies

      The nerve of paying public to expect a safe environment for their loved ones. I’d love to testify in this case.

      • aquaclara

        And we would all crowd that courtroom, because would be huge, funny as sh*t, and a WIN over Narconon. Please go to Georgia for the lawsuit….

    • FLUNK_101

      That’s very astute of you, BTN. You have to lower your expectations to the point where, if someone dies, it’s their own fault.

      “The Narconon website reports that the keynote of Narconon is that the “…individual is responsible for his own condition … ”

      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narconon

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I hate these nasty predators!

    • May_West

      So the students have to sign off on a “no drugs in narconon” policy.
      Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t see the same for their employees.

    • Observer

      Check your FB messages …

  • 10oriocookies

    These stories hit very close to home for me. I have been on the other side where reps from all entities conference call and brainstorm how to slither out of cases. It’s quite disturbing to see the management organizations still not taking responsibility for their crimes. They are going to fight tooth and nail to stop this one as it opens the door to their demise. I’ll help where needed….

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks.

    • shasha40

      10oriocookies, you sir are Truly a Hero ! Thank you for all you’ve done !

      • 10oriocookies

        It’s not enough.

        • sugarplumfairy

          it takes an army..

        • Minion Gayle

          It’s a damn good start. Enough will come, given time.

        • shasha40

          It has to start somewhere, and your willingness to provide assistance is Admirable !

        • Mary_McConnell

          Yeah…I know what you mean, Eric. Even with the few of us who devote our time to helping expose this scam could use more help and dox, for sure! Thank goodness the victiims know where to go http://www.reachingforthetippingpoint.net, and the staff or ex-staff know we are all here for them when they are ready to take responsibility for having been a part of the problems Narconon creates. But it’s not enough, one person. Never was, never will be. We are sure glad to have you on our side, Eric. You are a true hero to us and many others.

          • 10oriocookies

            Thanks Mary. Im in it for the long haul.

            • Mary_McConnell

              :)

    • Casabeca

      The disinfectant of sunshine has blazed into Narconon. Many thanks to you for your courage. May all the people treated there find justice and peace!

      • MissCandle

        Unless they have already passed away.

  • stillgrace

    They’re going after RTC, which means they’re going after Davey. Delicious.

  • HeatherGraceful

    As we know, ABLE staff oversee everything that happens in NN, making sure that the NN is on policy, and they report up to RTC. I’m sure Harris will have obtained copies of all the contracts/licences and reports issued by NN Int and ABLE staff up the chain. It would be fascinating to read those reports and instructions flowing back down the chain.

    • 10oriocookies

      I did learn something at NN…keep some evidence just in case. I have hundreds of such communications. Make no mistake about. ABLE and the church run the show and know about virtually everything that goes on world wide.

      • HeatherGraceful

        Fan-bloody-tastic.

        • HeatherGraceful

          Also, I believe that no Sea Org staff member is assigned a role (eg to ABLE or to NN Int) without express approval from the local RTC Rep. It would be worth getting the personnel files of all relevant staff.

  • Sam Domingo

    Uhhhh…

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yeah..

      • Sam Domingo

        Ignore :D

  • Guest

    Oops

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yep.

  • Guest

    Oop?

    • DodoTheLaser

      SOP?

      • Sam Domingo

        Haha! That was me trying to get the command channels post up. Internet rookie :D Managed finally but now I can’t delete these :D

        • sugarplumfairy

          It’s ok.. Gotta start somewhere..

          • shasha40

            See, that’s why I hang out here, everyone willing to teach and learn , but most of all welcome others ! I’m feeling all warm and fuzzy again… Or is it just menopause ??.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              It may be both.

            • Nevermore

              Yeah, that’s how it affects me. With a side order of bitchy thrown in on occasion!

            • Observer

              I *wish* it made me feel warm and fuzzy. I’m stuck with hot and sweaty, and occasionally homicidal.

            • sugarplumfairy

              But I love the way you channel your homicidal tendencies..

        • stillgrace

          Thank you for posting the chart, Sam!

  • Sam Domingo

    Required study for all senior Scientology Executives

    • Sam Domingo
    • Sam Domingo

      Now which SP drew up that chart?!

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Uh, that’s the {church’s} own chart, printed and distributed internally by the {church}.

        Edit: Sorry, but you knew that. I’m dumb.

        • Sam Domingo

          That was the point :) and I’m sure you’re not dumb.
          OSA- cult not connected to Narconon? dox or GTFO! (heh! Sorry – couldn’t resist)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        And it’s a darn good thing that one of the primary personnel who were directly ordered to reorganize the channels, and what the very Specific reason to do so was, like play legal hide and seek, and who could say who the orders came from, and all the intricacies and details of That project …is nowhere to be found and didn’t leave any notes and couldn’t possibly speak up…

        oh wait.

        Sorry, Davey, I guess you might have to pick up your toys and go play hide and don’t seek, after all. Maybe you can bunk with your wife, Shelly. Now, Where is she again?

    • Spackle Motion

      That’s a Vizio nightmare. This looks like it was drawn up with Word 2003.

    • Poison Ivy

      They deny Narconon except with Kirstie Alley and Tom Cruise go on talk shows to talk about how awesome Scientology is.

    • MissCandle

      Thank you for your post.

    • richelieu jr

      I’ve lkeda t the chart and read everyting that was legible and I think I’ve got it:

      The funny bone’s connected to the beg loan, the beg loan’s connected to the Reg Zone the Reg Zone’s connected to Pay Us Pelvis, the PayUs is connected to the lack of back bone the L/O: Backbone is connected to the Hubbard (and to poor parenting, cowardice, stupidity, etc…)

      The Hubbard to connected to the Everything.
      The Everything’s connected to the Lie Bone, the Lie Bone’s connected to the forked tongue
      The FT’s connected to the Beaked One
      Th B.O. is coming from the Commodor
      The Commodor’s connected to 2 of 3 wives
      The “Second” Wife’s connected to Conspiracy and Espionage.
      The Beaked one disconnects from the Second Wife
      The S.W. is getting raped in pris-on
      The disconnected beak is his Trailer
      The Trailer’s connected to the Telephone
      The Telephone is ringing in the Office
      The Office is full of young girl children;
      The YG Chldren are wearing next to nothing
      The Nothing is what Ron pays their Parents
      The Parents are working for the SeaOrg
      The SeaOrg’s connected to the OCean
      The Ocean’s been transferred to the Flag Org
      The FlagOrg’s connected to the RTC
      THe RTC’s connected to the NArconaon
      The Narconon is being disconnected
      Disconnection is invented by the Beaked one.
      But Marty’s Blaming it on Miscavige.
      Miscavige is answerable to No One.
      The No One’s the only one that Loves Him.
      Anyone that loves him is a MorOn
      So Happily Nobody is a MorOn..

      THe RTC is filled with Crap and Cowards.
      The Cowards they quiver from the Great ONe
      THE Great One is only 4ft 7
      The Great One is looking like the MorOn
      He says we SCOHB,
      But thanks to $ciloonitoonigy we know our ACBs!

      And C-O-B spells CROCK!

    • The Dakini

      As a professional in the world of IA/UX, I am sending the bottom feeder who thought this chart up to the RTF.

  • Noah Miller

    I’m surprised they didn’t make the argument that by 90% effective they really meant out of 1000%. It would make as much sense as “Drug Free” doesn’t mean “Drug Free”.

    • 10oriocookies

      They have eleventy billion graduates also.

      • shasha40

        Does that include those who’ve failed ?* dripping sarcasm*

        • Missionary Kid

          Using the sarcasm font, you could write it, “{{{Does that include those who’ve failed ?}}}”

          • sugarplumfairy

            If you do it right, you should never need a font.. You need to practice more, kid.. Besides, if you do it wrong, you know we’ll be here to let you know about it.. =)

            • Missionary Kid

              Well, I’m slow, so I use it. =)

            • sugarplumfairy

              You ain’t slow.. You’re deliberate and careful.. That’s a good thing.. Be very glad I’m not a pilot..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I am glad you are not a pilot!

            • FLUNK_101

              If she were a pilot, the plane would be absofrkinglutely adorable.. but, as she goes into a dive, all the passengers would be screaming at SPF,
              “AAAAGGGHHHH!”

            • BuryTheNuts2

              You are gaining some altitude today.

            • Missionary Kid

              Believe me, when your ass is on the line, you’re careful.

          • shasha40

            Thank you MK, I can be a little slow at times ! :-)

            • Missionary Kid

              As you can see, there are people who don’t like the sarcasm font, and don’t use it, so you’re not slow. It actually works better on single words, as in the phrase, {Church} of $cientology.

              To each his (or her) own. :-)

      • aquaclara

        But misplaced the contracts for 10debillion in a garage someplace that they forgot to lock. That’s ok, though, because their other files are all in the same place.

  • 10oriocookies

    There is a delicious new tool coming out later this week also… I cant wait for you all to see it. Our friends at the Tipping Point have been working their asses off to get it going.

    • aquaclara

      Maybe a hint just for us? We won’t tell!

      PS Tipping Pointers-you rock!!!

      • 10oriocookies

        Let me ask Ethercat if its okay and if she gives okay then I will.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Just for fun, I googled narconon.. google autocompleted the search for me and my options included narconon, then narconon scientology, naronon deaths, and narconon arrowhead.. No negative options after that.. I chose ‘narconon’ and I got 2 paid ads first: one for the “nonprofit” seabrook house in NJ and another for the “nonprofit” vista bay facilities in CA.. Seriously, nonprofit.. They’re so frking ballsy..

    Next, came the official narconon website and after that the Wikipedia site whose first sentence starts “narconon is a Scientology front group..” i was pretty happy to see that directly after that came four negative websites, exposing narconon as scientology..

    Finally, at the bottom of the page, the suggested searches included narconon rip-off, narconon exposed, narconon deaths and stop narconon..

    If they’re still getting customers, it’s folks without Internet access..

    • SciWatcher

      Yeah, Narconon has bad press. One of the problems, however, is that they change the names of their facilities and stop making any reference to the Con on the sites.

    • RMycroft

      The problem is that the people they hook won’t be searching on Narconon. They’ll do some kind of search for drug rehab, hit one of those sites that doesn’t mention Narconon, call a phone number where they probably don’t mention Narconon right away. Any mention of Narconon is probably kept to the last minute with maximum sales pressure applied e.g. “There’s a opening available Right Now, but it could close at any moment.”

      They know if they give people a chance, they might look it up.

    • Hartley Patterson

      Not so. Narconon got into 400 UK schools, many in California and elsewhere with anti-drug lectures. No teacher or student looked on the Internet or checked that the Science was accurate. Don’t trust your school to get this right – if it’s free they’ll take it.

      And it’s worse than that. Every day my Facebook friends, some of them ex-Scientologists who should know better, post links to pseudo-science websites without checking them out. The Narconon fake referral scheme is just a tiny part of the web of health fraud, hundreds of websites linked together boosting each other’s ratings. Hey Hubbard wasn’t the first con artist, how about that.

      • Poison Ivy

        People don’t know. The average human assumes anything anti-drug is good. Recently a friend of mine who was worried about a former associate of ours we believe is now in CO$ said, “Yes, but at least they do really good work in drug rehab.” I corrected her on that but this is the overall impression.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          arggghhh! And yes, it is part of that “All Natural” must be good, plus it is so expensive, it must be really pure. Well, horseshit is all natural and if you package it right off the trail, you can call it “Pure Road Apples”.

          • Missionary Kid

            When someoine insists that something is good because it’s natural, I say, “So’s horse shit and hemlock.”

            The most virulent poisons are natural.

            • Roger Larsson

              Poison in a small amont stimulate and poison in a larger amount or taken during a longer period of time kills. A lower quantaty of good whiskey and a higher amount of good reading about narconon makes it all clear.

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s not always true for poisons. On some, even the smallest amount can destroy tissue or cause other horrible results.

            • Roger Larsson

              What works
              for the most? A small percent will always hang on to that only cent or whiskey in the barn.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’m a PITA when it comes to fact checking. I even have friends forwarding stuff to me to check stuff out. There’s a lot of woo-woo, as Randi puts it, out there. Chiropractors and holistic health gurus are particularly guilty of it. I’m not saying that the whole person isn’t important, just to be wary of any preliminary study or one that urges further study.

  • Truthiwant

    This site is really quite remarkable.

    The quantity of comments has risen from an average of 300 to 500 a few weeks ago to
    an average of over 800 over the last days, often topping the thousand mark.

    However, it is not only about the comments but about the number of people visiting the
    site. For every person that writes something here , there must be many, many
    more people that are just looking and learning or ‘lurkers’.

    It would be very interesting to know roughly how many ‘views’ this site gets on average.

    I get a feeling that the number is big and that makes me very, very happy!

    • shasha40

      I’m delirious with Happiness too, but we already knew where to get the best, accurate info from ! Tony ! Tony !

  • Vistaril

    Bloody hell!! Turn my back for a moment and miss 1,000 comments under yet another TonyO breaking news story. And then this one, too! Can’t hang around much tonight to chuck in my usual tuppeny, but just wanted to pop up and say “youse all rock”.

    Carry on.

  • Sunny Sands

    Investigators and officers raided Narconon Georgia in April and hauled away computers and boxes of records. Perhaps the missing contracts are in that evidence.

  • Nevermore

    So there are people out there sending their addicted loved ones to a place which I suspect charges then a large amount of money, but does not guarantee they provide a drug free environment for said loved ones. Really? To steal part of a line from Ripley, did IQs just drop sharply??

    • Missionary Kid

      No. it’s that not everyone checks the internet for negative information before buying. If you make a phone call to one of the many numbers provided, you’re routed into the NarCONon system. Before going straight, the former head of NarCONon Arrowhead, Luke Catton ran one of those referral services.

      Read his book, Have you told all. If you buy it, either do it through Tony or from Luke’s website http://www.haveyoutoldall.com/ so that they get some of the profit.

    • MissCandle

      The people who call are most often desperate and the person on the other end of the line is trained and skilled at shilling for Narconon. Plus they get a commission. You see, no one cares about the actual person who is addicted and seeking help. They only care about $$$.

  • stillgrace

    I have to leave the bunker in a few minutes to catch my plane. The next chance I get back here, there will probably be a couple of thousand comments to catch up with! I’ll do the best I can. Be back Friday. Fight the good fight! Never stop asking where Shelly is!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Be safe!

      • stillgrace

        Give ‘em hell, BTN!

      • FLUNK_101

        She’ll prolly tell the pilot, “I see that you’re trying to fly the plane, but I am your conscience,” and get thrown out out the aircraft mid-flight. LOL!

    • shasha40

      Have a good flight .

      • stillgrace

        Thanks!

    • Missionary Kid

      Have a good flight, to add what shasha40 said.

    • Robert Eckert

      You couldn’t just exteriorize to where you need to be?

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Have a good trip–we’ll hold down the fort!

    • Poison Ivy

      Happy travels!

    • MissCandle

      In your honor, StillGrace: Where is Shelley Miscavage? Why does Kirstie Alley support Narconon when it is known to be fatal?

  • AnonymousSP

    Hey Kirstie Alley! Instead of tweeting about friends who have woken up and blown, how about you tweet all that crap about how Narconon saved your life? Kirstie? Kirstie?

    • Poison Ivy

      The usual music we hear around here when logical questions are asked – crickets.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Jiminy Crickets at that.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Grrrrrr. Don’t even mention Krusty to me today. Late last night on yesterday’s blog Derek detailed what that poor excuse for a human did to his family. It’s personal now. For a brief moment, I felt sorry for her because her life is such a train wreck: drugs, over-eating, bad relationships, declining career, and of course, getting caught up in the cult. But, she did that all herself. She is perfect for Scientology–it’s a “religion” filled with hate and who focuses on *creating* enemies. Co$ is its own wort enemy. Like her. It frustrates me no end that she has a platform from which to spew her garbage, particularly on NarCONon.
      –end rant–

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yeah, let her stay in their clutches and rot with the whole shebang!

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          There will come a moment when they will turn on her. Wish I could have a front-row seat for that.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            With bacon flavored popcorn!

      • SandiCorrena

        I didn’t get to see what Derek said but OHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOO! She is a nasty piece of work that one!

    • MissCandle

      Yeah, Kirstie Alley. Explain how Narconon saved your life but killed other people.

  • pluvo

    Lawyer of the “Church of
    Scientology” Elliot Abelson has Debbie Cook sign a gag agreement:

    http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/video?id=8545558

    And Abelson says (at 8:30): “… and how about the boss, … David Miscavige …”

    From their own website: (http://www.scientology.org/david-miscavige.html)

    “DAVID MISCAVIGE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD RELIGIOUS TECHNOLOGY CENTER AND
    ECCLESIASTICAL LEADER OF THE SCIENTOLOGY RELIGION

    David Miscavige is the ecclesiastical leader of the Scientology religion. From
    his position as Chairman of the Board of Religious Technology Center (RTC), Mr.
    Miscavige bears the ultimate responsibility for ensuring the standard and pure
    application of L. Ron Hubbard’s technologies of Dianetics and Scientology and
    for Keeping Scientology Working.”

    • Peter

      I recall seeing a video done by Jerks of Scientology at the opening of one of the Narconons and Miscavige was front and center. If that one can be located, surely it would go far with the court regarding the involvement of the very highest levels of scio with Narconon.

      • Missionary Kid

        At the opening doesn’t necessarily equal involvement. They could claim that they all admire LRH, and that’s why he was there. We know it’s bullshit, but the plaintiff’d have to prove the control aspect.

        • Robert Eckert

          For purposes of the motion to dismiss, it is only necessary to show that there is a legitimate factual issue as to how much control Miscavige exerts. They can’t get by with saying that there is an argument to be made that he exerts no control, but rather need it to be indisputable that he exerts no control. This is hopeless, and the lawyers are just filing it to go through the motions because the client wants it (and will pay them for the hours they wasted drafting it).

          • Missionary Kid

            Thank you. The problem is that every time they lose, they’re setting a path for other attorneys to follow, even if it isn’t precedent. Am I right?

            • Robert Eckert

              Yep. I bet the lawyers are trying to explain that to him. Fortunately, Miscavige is a slow learner.

            • Missionary Kid

              Miscabbage is slow because he was {successful} for so long at repeating the same strategies that LRH used in court: delay, delay, delay, intimidate psychologically, sue the hell out of everyone to intimidate legally, and generally make it so odious, expensive, and psychologically damaging for for anyone to continue the fight, that Co$ wins, or, when they settle, don’t disclose anything.

              Unfortunately for Shorty, there’s more and more evidence that’s being revealed by people who have quit or kicked out, and the plaintiffs are psychologically stronger because of the support they’re getting from not only the ex community, but the indies. In addition, the opposing attorneys are sensing blood in the water, and they’re prepared for his playbook because he keeps doing the same thing, over and over.

              Miscarriage is still acting like a bully, when he doesn’t have the power he once did, and he either doesn’t trust anyone, or he’s gotten rid of people he could trust, so he’s making bad decisions.

              Unfortunately, he might even destroy assets rather than lose, which is inevitable. At the least, he’ll sacrifice the people around him to protect himself.

        • Peter

          I would say it *very* much depends on the sound track. If he claims it as being a part of Scientology, it certainly would be persuasive in court.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Darn it! I’m on the run today and can’t dive in. I do have one question that maybe some of you legal types could answer. It’s unclear to me why moving it to Federal court is a good thing for Scientology. Tony says it makes it harder to sue large companies because of some tort-reform law. How? I mean, are the requirements so much different? How much more difficult will it be for the plaintiffs?

    • Missionary Kid

      The “reform” made it much harder for plaintiffs because it set much tougher standards for bringing a suit, and, as I remember it, also reduced rewards possible.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Just wanted to know more about what it will take, what we are facing.

      • Gerard Plourde

        I’m pretty certain that Harris anticipated this. Even under the old law, RTC and ABLE could have sought removal on diversity grounds. I wonder how the findings of duplicity in the previous case will factor in. They should be admissible for the purpose of attacking credibility.

        • Poison Ivy

          There is a wonderful documentary, “Hot Coffee”, that goes into this aspect of Tort Reform. I’d advise everyone to watch it.

    • Schockenawd

      There are a few different strategy reasons why a defendant removes a case to federal court. Yes, the requirements for specificity in pleading can be greater in federal court (although the rules only require “a short and plain statement” of a claim entitling the party to relief and it is not strictly necessary to attach a copy of the contract to the complaint.) But there are other reasons, too. For out-of-town defendants, there’s a perception that being before a federal judge reduces the likelihood of getting home-towned. Also, a plaintiff who files in state court obviously wants to be in state court, so taking him out of his preferred environment creates discomfort for him. For defendants who plan to raise issues of federal law in their defense (such as a First Amendment freedom of religion argument), federal court judges are generally more knowledgeable and able to make sounder rulings. Finally, judges are far less likely to put up with rule-breakers or their antics in federal court; but, unfortunately for the COS, that last one tends to work against them rather than their opponents.

  • Sherbet

    First, the contract plainly shows that NNGA did not promise a “drug-free environment;” rather, it imposed rules of conduct and discipline on its students that were intended to promote a drug-free environment. That the Student Rules of Conduct state, for example, “[n]on-prescribed drugs and alcohol are forbidden to be brought into the Narconon facility,” indicates that, while the NNGA aspired to be a “drug-free environment,” NNGA was not nsuring a “drug-free environment.”

    ARE THEY SERIOUS?? When I placed a family member into a rehab facility, seems to me the #1 consideration was — Will this person be safer in here than out on the street?

    • Robert Eckert

      There is also a typical Applied Scholastics error here. The verb that means “to make something certain” is “ensure” with an E. The verb “to insure” refers to entering into a contract of insurance (promising to pay for such-and-such disaster expenses that may occur at unforeseen times in exchange for fixed periodic payments).

      • Sherbet

        I’m still sputtering over the laughable language in narconon’s argument. If the “students” who are admitted to narconon have the ability to adhere to “rules of conduct and discipline…intended to promote a drug-free enviroment,” they wouldn’t be problem users in the first place, right? They could have self-policed themselves about their drug usage, or Mom could have stopped them, or the courts, or NA…

        • Poison Ivy

          Ha ha! Exactly!!!!!!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          A court room is no place for common sense! pfffft!

          • Sherbet

            I guess that’s why I’m not a lawyer. In my book, “practical” should trump “legal.”

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              If practical, common sense and other such nonlegal nonsense ruled, out of the 1.2 million lawyers in the U.S., we’d have 1 million dumped on the unemployment rolls tomorrow. You wouldn’t want That now, Sherb!

            • Sherbet

              That’s as if only posters who stay on the subject were to be allowed in the Bunker — there would be a lot of people out here doing crossword puzzles or actual work to fill their day. (Me, included.)

          • Observer

            And neither is Scientology!

      • Sherbet

        I honestly didn’t realize there was a rule for usage between insure and ensure, although I know each has its own connotation. Thanks for the grammar lesson, Robert.

        • Robert Eckert

          Not just a difference of connotation, a difference of denotation; and this isn’t grammar, it’s semantics [/schoolmarm]

          • Sherbet

            I’m standing in the corner with my dunce cap on, RE. Geez, and I thought I was semi-articulate…

            • Robert Eckert

              Notice that I used a semicolon! That should school David Miscavige!

            • Sherbet

              I did notice. DM says: “The only good semicolon is an expurgated semicolon.” Nah, we know he didn’t really say that.

            • Robert Eckert

              … since he could never manage a word like “expurgated” without grossly mispronouncing it or using it wrongly.

            • Sherbet

              “Removingness”

          • Missionary Kid

            I are purty gud at spekin, but riting iz tuffer.

            • Sherbet

              There’s room in the corner for you, Kid. Here; take a dunce cap.

            • Missionary Kid

              Ken i git one with stars?

            • Sherbet

              No, that’s a princess hat.

            • Missionary Kid

              I take wut Iz can get.

            • Sherbet

              Just come into the corner with me, and we can giggle and pass notes and say things that aren’t correct English.

            • Missionary Kid

              itsa plezzure to hang wit you.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              LOL! You learned me real good.

  • Spackle Motion

    I’ll probably say something unpopular here, but I’m a bit disappointed in this attorney opening up a representative action instead of having 7 Plaintiffs suing for multiple causes of action. There must be a reason for this, but I really hope it isn’t a reason that serves to only enrich the attorneys. Class actions usually favor the defendants and the Plaintiffs usually get pennies on the dollar that they should have received if they sued for c/a themselves (i.e. not as a group). Fraud and the harm caused by Narconon is really a personal and individual case, so I’m perplexed as to why the attorneys went this route. Participating in a Class Action bars each member of this group from taking their own legal actions.

    Also….Class Actions almost always wind up in Federal Court. This motion to move jurisdictions is normal and happens with every single state initiated action. Class Actions are governed by federal civil procedure.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks for this information. I used to often cry out “class action!” but have learned my elawyering here at the Bunker and Tony has pointed out the problem often enough. Of course, we don’t always listen well plus there are those new to the place. This is one you know DM will be fighting tooth and nail.

  • ze moo

    CO$ can run, hide and head fake all it wants the evidence and money trail all lead to Miscavige and RTC. RICO judgements are a bitch.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I would like to understand one point. How did scientology lawyers come up with “the likelihood of 100 or more Plaintiffs” number? Was that using scientology math (just making it up) or are there 100 Narconon victims in the wings we don’t know about? The amounts of $72,300 – $216,900 per plaintiff don’t sound like much to me if I had just lost my child to the greed of David Miscavige and his money sucking front groups. But then, that’s how class action suits work I supposed. Above all, in the end, I would to see a whole east wing of prison mates for all those responsible. And there should be a sentencing clause where they get no TV and definitely no phones and each their own full set of Basics to read, over and over and over again.

    Also, some parts of this response are so silly. Everyone knows David Miscavige is the Only one who can do Anything right which is why he has to do Everything himself and Micromanage Every Little Detail. David Miscavige himself has said so, many times over.

    Last but not least, Follow the Money Crumbs.

    • shasha40

      Agreed , and Tiny dick is excellent in diseminating major foot bullets to the COS on his own ! Keep ‘emm coming Tiny ! Use your twitter account . What? The futuristic, sci-fi people of ” the tech ” don’t know how to use wog tech ? Bummer !

  • scnethics

    DM is going to look really small standing in the hole they blow in this corporate structure. Going to be fun to watch!

  • California

    IANAL, but I too have a question about why a C/A (class action) would be better for the Plaintiffs, rather than individual actions. Anyone out there want to address this?

    But for me the more positive aspect is that the problems with Narconon Drug Rehab are getting more notice throughout the general population with these law-suits. There are many good-to-excellent rehab programs out there and the new SAMHSA laws/rules/regulations for rehab services are now being implemented at the state level and Narconon, as it is currently configured, will have a challenge meeting them.

    People who need the rehab services need to be protected while they are in the recovery process.

  • John P.

    I am confident that the motions to dismiss won’t succeed. I haven’t had time to go through the source documents in detail, but I’m willing to bet on the outcome.

    In particular, the money quote from RTC’s motion to dismiss, that “RTC does not own or control any of the other defendants in the program” is laughable. Sure, if all one did was look over incorporation documents, one might make that conclusion. However, evidence of de facto control, including e-mail messages that reference what The Most High and Mighty Overlord wants to have happen, or phone logs showing extensive phone conversations with Int Base, or anything of the sort, will establish that RTC had de facto control of Narconon International (at the very least) and could easily have been involved directly in affairs of NN Georgia, particularly as the various individiual lawsuits started to fly.

    Someone who’s an actual, real-life licensed practicing attorney who actually graduated from law school (Spackle Motion, Gerard, etc) instead of a member of the Armchair Internet Barratry Society (me and most of the rest of us) could clarify: as I understand it, defense motions to dismiss are required to be evaluated in the context of every assertion that the complaint makes are true (i.e., the most conservative assumption) and then the judge evaluates whether there is a real controversy. Discovery ought to turn up numerous examples of a high degree of control by higher level entities. Certainly, testimony by Luke Catton or Chris Tenorio about what they observed about interactions between local Narconon entities and higher level cult organizations ought to be compelling to help the case survive a motion to dismiss.

    Lastly, NN GA’s argument that they don’t “insure” a drug-free environment is laughable. Sure, they are not guaranteeing a drug-free environment, but they will run square into the principle of the “standard of care.” Sure, a hospital can perform surgery under general anesthesia without hooking the patient up to a respirator — no law against it. But if the “standard of care,” the generally accepted standards for what constitutes good medicine, as practiced by many similar organizations and/or endorsed by reputable professional organizations. In the case of drug rehabs, it seems to be almost certain that the standard of care includes extensive measures to ensure that drugs aren’t brought into the facility including searches of people and possessions (for both patients and guests), random drug testing of staff who are former addicts, searches of the facility to backstop searches of property entering the building, and so forth.

    The assertion that “it’s not our fault because we don’t guarantee it” is just like saying “doctors aren’t at fault for medical malpractice because they don’t guarantee that the patient will get better.” It won’t hold up for a second.

    The relatively weak response makes me wonder about the skill of the cult’s legal team on this case. It almost sounds like they (or the cult) are not really taking the case that seriously and aren’t exactly bringing their “A” game. That makes me wonder what’s going on behind the scenes in their thought process. I’m straining to figure out if they have got something up their sleeves or if the legal work is just as low-grade as it appears. Even if you’re not a lawyer, if you read enough court filings (and Lord knows I do when evaluating the impact of suits on stocks we own here at Global Capitalism HQ), you get a sense of whether there is good legal work going on, and in this case it sure doesn’t look that way to me.

    • Sherbet

      “That makes me wonder what’s going on behind the scenes in their thought process.” My interpretation (as a member of the Armchair Internet etc. etc.) is that the filing is just another time-waster from cos’s playbook.

      BTW, we missed you, John P.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        What Sherb said. Hope family is all well or on the road to recovery, John P. And DM ‘s team is going to use every single time waster and especially money drain the can on this one, guaranteed.

    • MissCandle

      Or maybe that’s all the defense that they have.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks for your well thought out post.

      I hope your family crisis is better.

    • Robert Eckert

      “as I understand it, defense motions to dismiss are required to be evaluated in the context of every assertion that the complaint makes are true” This is correct.

    • Kim O’Brien

      where have you been ? i was starting to think that one of the super models fucked you to death . Not a bad way to go ..but we did miss ya

      • Missionary Kid

        Family crisis.

      • John P.

        Weeks-long family medical situation, successfully concluded. Between managing that and trying to keep my job at Global Capitalism HQ, not much time to post here at the Bunker.

        Incidentally, while there are plenty of supermodels hanging around for decoration on the weekends at the waterfront estate, they are there to serve as recruiting aids as we are required to try to impress the Ivy League’s best and brightest B-school graduates and get them to come work 20-hour days for us for a relative pittance, kind of like what they do in the Sea Org, though our definition of “pittance” is a bit more generous than theirs. I only get frisky and amorous with Supermodel #1, who shatters most of the supermodel stereotypes (multiple graduate degrees, sense of humor, has actual hobbies and interests) and is also somewhat closer to my own age.

        The thought of actually indulging in any of the other supermodels’ charms is somewhat alien to me. I may get thrown out of capitalism for admitting that not only do I like to cuddle afterwards, but I really like to have meaningful conversations.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Well it is nice to have you back…ya nerd!

          • FLUNK_101

            “not only do I like to cuddle afterwards, but I really like to have meaningful conversations.”

            Awww … not only is he a genius, he’s a sweetheart!

        • Kim O’Brien

          glad the medical situation turned out ok …..we missed you, your cuddles, and the conversations.

        • 1subgenius

          My girlfriend likes to talk during sex.
          I finally had to tell her to hang up the phone.

        • Casabeca

          Wow, a capitalist, practically a feminist, a renaissance man and a gentleman! I have a whole new respect for you! We all miss your posts when you’re away.

          • Missionary Kid

            A Renaissance man, indeed.

          • FLUNK_101

            I’ve never seen any evidence of John P being sexist … at all. If only I could say that about you feminists!

            • Casabeca

              I was trying to be a little funny and gentle, since he was vulnerable and sweet about his relationship lessons learned. So it just meant he was obviously treating the women in his life very well :-).
              I hate to fuss with my pals, here or anywhere. Mr Casabeca would tell you that I give lots of love and respect to the men in my life. I respect and love denizens of the Bunker the best I know how.
              Some of your posts are witty, some are thought provoking. I am just here to learn, and perhaps help the cause. Let’s be friends!

            • FLUNK_101

              You’re very sweet. I’m hypersensitive. Have a good one!
              Flunk

        • MissCandle

          WOW. Now that’s manly ensurance/insurance. We need more of that in this world. AND, you take care of sick relatives. What more could a woman (or man) ask for?

        • The Dakini

          I’ve missed everyone so much! Supermodel #1 is a lucky gal. But we already knew that. :)

      • sugarplumfairy

        Lol.. you crack me up..

    • Mark

      Haven’t NN confused “insure” with “ensure” in their submission? The former would imply some sort of paid-for insurance policy, the latter the really relevant ‘duty of care’. (I hope this doesn’t give these grasping swine a get-out clause).

      • Mark

        Or possibly it’s because having to spout $cientologese gibberish all the time (despite having {nothing at ALL} to do with Co$, RTC, Shortarse Miscavige, &c), NN Georgia has been afflicted with the Curse of Babel.

        (Had to answer myself: Diqsuk’s edit function seems to have vanished).

      • Robert Eckert

        Yes, I noticed that too: it wouldn’t be a Scientological document without at least one stupid error. Allstate insures some drug-free environments, but Narconon does not insure anything, just fraudulently bills companies that insure patients.

        • Mark

          Sorry Robert: I posted that before I saw your eagle-eye had already spotted their error. That’ll teach me to start at the earliest posts first.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Well there ‘ya go! Miscarrige will have an Aha! moment and claim one of his flying monkeys had a Crashing MU on insure/ensure so naturally major crime and fraud followed because that’s what Hubbard said would happen. It was preordained, you see? Oh and he is shocked, shocked that gambling was going on in this establishment.

          • Robert Eckert

            Everything needs to be posted multiple times or latecomers will never wade through to find it.

        • Observer

          The only thing NarCONon ensures is that money goes into their pockets.

      • MissCandle

        You’re right. But maybe they meant the error.

    • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

      It is weak, and I’m wondering if Miscavige’s tendency to get rid of every competent person around him is extending to his legal team now. That, or this was the strongest defense they could come up with because Narconon is so extremely and obviously horrific.

    • Gerard Plourde

      “as I understand it, defense motions to dismiss are required to be evaluated in the context of every assertion that the complaint makes are true (i.e., the most conservative assumption) and then the judge evaluates whether there is a real controversy. Discovery ought to turn up numerous examples of a high degree of control by higher level entities>
      That’s exactly the standard. On a side note the chart showing the interconnectedness of all Scientology organizations that was posted elsewhere on this chain as well as other Scientology materials (hello Tom Cruise video “we are the experts on getting people off drugs”) should be admissible in any response by plaintiffs.
      (This may post twice in slightly varied from – I appear to have had Disqus problems.)

      • Jgg2012

        Vicki Aznaran and others have already stated that these are corporate shells designed to confuse litigants. If they are not Scientology subsidiaries, why have they been tax-exempt since 1993 when Scientology and its subsidiaries got tax-exempt status.
        Yes, it is another stall tactic.

    • ReneeG

      I am guessing that David Miscavige’s micromanagement is contributing to the weakness of the defense strategies. The lawyers may not be allowed to fully use their expertise, since COB feels he is the most competent person he knows.

      • Missionary Kid

        I agree, wholeheartedly.

    • PickAnotherID

      NN Int saying they “just license” NN GA is kind of funny too, since NN GA falls under the Group Exemption (GEN 2595) granted to NN Int as part of the once secret 1993 Closing Agreement. In fact, if you go the the IRS exempt check web page and enter “Narconon International” you get a whole list of NN’s that come up as “Narconon International dba Narconon whatever”, including NN GA.

    • 10oriocookies

      Chris Tenorio aka Eric Tenorio.

      • John P.

        Color me embarrassed; I apologize for getting your name wrong. I don’t usually work from memory but thought I had that detail right. I have corrected the original comment…

        • 10oriocookies

          No worries. Thanks for correcting it.

  • Watergate

    I am physically ill. I’ve just learned that Narconon, ABLE and RTC are represented in this litigation by two of the South’s best law firms, for which I have always had much respect. But by accepting these instructions, Alston & Bird and Sutherland Asbill have stained their reputations and brands. Disappointed doesn’t begin to describe how I feel about this.

    • Sherbet

      Ugh. I’m sorry to hear that, Watergate. It’s nothing personal; it’s just business. Now, where have I heard that before?

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Posting this for some of the newbies here. It is a call into one of those NarCONon “referral” resources. You will need to put your volume to max to hear it though. Keep in mind that the person on this “referral” call is NOT a licensed counselor. Unbelievable!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyAHFg7q30cAnd

    Here is part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD-AnU1WndE

    • Mark

      Horrifying. I’m just glad we have the National Health Service – however imperfect it may be – here in the UK. ‘Socialised medicine’ has at least one advantage: such a conversation could not occur.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i wanna live at your house

        • Mark

          Well, if you can put up with three ancient cats, my rather dour Scottish partner, and only one bathroom, I’m sure we can put you up somewhere ;)

          Seriously, though, I’d not be alive – or at the very least I’d be blind (complications from an over-active thyroid) – if it wasn’t for the timely and excellent care I received from the NHS.

    • aquaclara

      Unbelievable. It’s shocking that this is allowed to continue.

    • MissCandle

      This is how unsuspecting and vulnerable people end up at Narconon for “treatment” and then all too often die. Kirstie Alley and John Travolta and others support this unbelievable scam. You would think that, as parents, they would be more careful and truthful. But I guess it’s easier to tweet nonsense to sound holier-than-thou than to actually seek and speak the truth. No matter to them — it’s someone’s else’s loved one, not theirs.

  • JonathanRoberts

    Narconon is Insane no physiologists on staff for behavior modification counseling. So-called Doctors on staff that check in once a week I’ve researched so many of their horrid credentials. Then they charge loved ones $30 grand and yet purport to not even guarantee a drug free environment for clients.

    Our US government’s Department of Health & Human Services do nothing. SAMSHA our US…Substance Abuse & Mental Health Services Administration both push it off to the states of our country. Call those states in question as long as an institution complies with an announced inspection with varying numbers of qualifiers they are then licensed.

    How do I know this I have spent Hours on the phone no one really cares about drug abusers or alcoholics sad but true. Yet maybe if more phone calls and emails or sent who knows what might happen.

    We can only hope the justice system will see this scam for what it is, a death trap.

    • ze moo

      Some states actually regulate and oversee rehabs. Litigious New York has huge number of laws and regulations about rehabs. I can’t find any NarCONons or ‘affiliates’ in New York, that said, it is not that hard to hide. States will regulate what their citizens want, if your state does a poor job in this area, make them fix it.

      Some religious groups like the Jesuits have some very good facilities with very good track records. I do not rule out religious groups running rehabs, they just have to adhere to standards that ensure safe and effective treatment. NarCONon can do neither…..

      • Snippy_X

        Tom Cruise and the Purification Rundown vultures swooped in to “help” NYPD and fireman “rid themselves of toxins” after 911. Sauna and vitamin overdoses. There was a lawsuit at some point, I believe.

    • MissCandle

      A death trap that Kirstie Alley, as a member of cult of Scientology and an advocate of Narconon, supports.

  • seataka

    RTC HOLDS the copyrights. CST or ASI OWNS them. The law firm should engage the top of the pyramid, CST to gain the most leverage.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Good point. Scientology, the religion of Leverage.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I know everyone is pretty exhausted after yesterday’s comment-fest, but I wanted to let you know that the New York Post just “broke” the story about Kirstie Alley’s weekend shenanigans.
    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/kirstie_alley_livid_at_leah_remini_gbzeS0HMp4sL1a28yEISlM

    This had been previously “reported” today by Radar Online (the National Enquirer) and Huffington Post. Their comment boards are already filled with invective directed against Kirstie and the CoS. Should be another delightful day for the COB…

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      At least this time the Post is crediting Tony up front.

      • CharlieWaters

        Yeah, and even providing a link to the Bunker.

        I have to wonder how many people over at NY Post’s Page Six are now following/subscribing to the UB.

    • ParticleMom

      Did you see her latest tweet? From 10:00am ish ET
      “have a good one …don’t believe everything you read …in fact don’t believe anything you read..even better, just stop reading..;) xxo”

      She is such a perfect scientologist.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        She is such a perfect idiot.

        • 1subgenius

          Someone said to me, “You’re a perfect asshole.”
          I said, “Nobody’s perfect.”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Kirstie Alley is the Ideal Scientologist.

        • Missionary Kid

          That must be like an ideal morgue.

          • Robert Eckert

            Very large, and mostly vacant.

            • Missionary Kid

              Vacant, like the space between her ears.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Hope this gets some follow up traction. Kirsty Alley shows the uneducated masses, the unaudited wagging wogs, how scientologists handle life’s little upsets: “Don’t believe anything you read…even better, just stop reading”

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I wanted to tell her how brilliant I thought that tweet was…
          But she blocked me…can’t imagine why…

        • ParticleMom

          I guess it was actually about a deleted tweet she made earlier. I am surprised Co$ hasn’t ordered her to stop tweeting.

          “White people used to make black people drink from separate drinking fountains….Now we just shoot their children….”

          http://thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/kirstiealley.jpg?w=430&h=263

          • JonathanRoberts

            I would not be so sure that the conclusion should be drawn that this was the reason for her previous tweets. I think that Tony looked at the entire situation then reported the Facts objectively and accurately.

            Her tweets were to mourn a friend then F**k them along with a quote on poison it does not fit in with the Trayvon case by any stretch of the imagination that I can see.

            • JonathanRoberts

              Also this is not the thread that dealt with that subject this thread is about Narconon’s questionable practices and legal posturing. So further evidence to me that this tweet is taken out of context.

            • ParticleMom

              I just meant the tweet from 10am today may have been because of the backlash against her Trayvon Martin deleted tweet. It doesn’t matter, really. Her sentiment speaks volumes. “Don’t believe anything you read…even better, just stop reading”

              And I would never pretend to be as objective or accurate as Tony. I’m not.

          • Sherbet

            I’m sure that’s what the Martin family wants: A blow-hard, opinionated, sheltered, privileged, wealthy, empty-headed actor spouting strident banner slogans as if she’s the second coming of Martin Luther King.

            • MissCandle

              Especially since she, by virtue of the fact that she is an advocate for Narconon, is responsible for so many deaths of the children of so many people. And they drank from the same fountain.

            • Sherbet

              You’re right, MC. Regardless of the depth of the tragedy in Florida, Alley seems like such a bubblebrain that her comments may be well-meaning, but who cares what she thinks? Seems like grandstanding to me.

            • Missionary Kid

              I believe it’s partly grandstanding, and partly hubris.

          • stateofcircle

            I just don’t have words for this.
            I give up. You won, Kirstie. You’re the looniest of them all.

          • stateofcircle

            Scientology used to just be an insane cult.
            Now it owns drug rehab facilities where they kill vulnerable people.
            #justice4scientology

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            I didn’t want to do Kirstie today because my stomach is still recooperating from yesterday, but… this is beyond the pail! To have a public persona tweet something that incites such racial hatred while emotions in the country are raw is unforgivable. I didn’t think I could dislike her more.
            This twit who tweets is a twat.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            And the footbullets continue. You go girl! We’re here rootin’ for ya. Keep those fingers flying.

      • CharlieWaters

        And she posted this on her FaceBook page:

        “It daily amazes me how much shit still exists. Racism, bigotry, religious intolerance, and vapid stupidity.. KNOCK IT OFF! as my dad says. :)”

        What a clown…

    • Sherbet

      Maybe somebody already posted this, but I noticed a July 14 item on the New York Post site that “The TomKat Project” is coming to NYC.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Tony included that in an update, I believe.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Eh, can’t find it. Maybe I imagined it.

          • Robert Eckert

            So you’re “out 3D”?

        • Sherbet

          That’s my third faux pas in today’s posts. I think I should hang up my keyboard and call it quits.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            No, no, no. We are all in a hangover after this last weekend!

            • Sherbet

              That must be it, D-cubed.

          • noseinabk

            It never hurts to repost info. With so many posts I have a hard time keeping up.

        • media_lush

          nope, it was me

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Here’s an odd media story today in Wash Post, Sheila Weller, wondering out loud what Edward Snowden should do now. One of the 3 suggestions is simply (Escape) and then gives 2 examples, one of which is a quote from Astra Woodcraft:

            “Astra Woodcraft, who was essentially imprisoned in Scientology’s Sea
            Organization and who ran for her life, with Scientology guards chasing
            her through the L.A. airport, is now helping others to — less
            dramatically — do so. ‘When I escaped, I hid out in the women’s
            restroom until my flight was boarding, and then made a mad dash for the
            gate, at which point my brother tried to grab my passport and my ticket.
            So my advice to Snowden is: Don’t be ashamed to hide in the women’s
            restroom — it might be the last place they look for you.'”

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2013/07/15/what-should-edward-im-a-brave-martyr-but-i-wanna-go-home-snowden-do-now/

            (Dear DM: are you taking notes yet?}

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              Never would have made that connection! I wonder if the media is learning that if you include the word ‘Scientology’ somewhere in an article, there is a higher hit rate. We should be seeing quotes from exe’s now in all kinds of articles. That’s fine by me!

            • media_lush

              Excellent find…. I’m going to use it as my next post on my bollocks site {Midnight Wed UK time]…. title: ESCAPED SCIENTOLOGIST ADVISES EDWARD SNOWDEN

    • FLUNK_101

      She’ll swallow anything.
      Look at this picture … she looks like she swallowed LRH.

      • stateofcircle

        Those are some sweet pants.

        Did she get them at the Big and Tall Thetan Store?
        Marcaba Republic?
        Target Too?
        Calvin Clam?
        Victoria’s Engram?
        Jessica McClamtock?
        JC Engrams?
        Aberclambie & Xenu?

        • FLUNK_101

          Well, at least she’s not suffering from “lack of mass.”

          • FLUNK_101

            Oh, and she’s made tremendous progress up the bridge, so she ‘s definitely not a “no case gain.”

            NO CASE GAIN, 1. persons with heavy overts on Scn make no case progress. (HCOB 23 Nov 62)

            NO WEIGHT GAIN, 1. What her husband said.

        • Sherbet

          I gotta say I don’t like making fun of Kirstie only for her girth…but I’m laughing at your suggestions. They’re beyond clever, stateo!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Yeah, I am wondering If I can find some nice career slacks at Jessica McClamtock….

            Edit: Understand Sherbet! I can’t laugh at her ass without acknowledging my own….but she in NOT NICE and she is an easy and very visible target!
            sorry!

            • Sherbet

              I hear ya, Bury.

            • stateofcircle

              I’m no Kate Moss myself, but I try to treat people with respect, give them the benefit of the doubt, reserve judgement, be kind, and be fair. I feel like that affords me at least some semblance of nicety. If a person is good, fair and kind, you dont notice their weight or big nose or frizzy hair or big butt as much, you see them as beautiful in their own way. Unfortunate features stand out on douchebags because they accentuate their douchebaggery. I strongly feel that who you are as a person has a lot in determining your beauty. I’m not even trying to be corny, a man who may be outwardly super hot is, to me, not attractive if they are an asshole. Kirstie = asshole = ugly.

          • stateofcircle

            I know, I know, I usually don’t like to make fun of people based on appearances either. But as far as I’m concerned, she pulled it in.

            • Sherbet

              No, state, if she had “pulled it in,” it would look smaller…

              I’m going to go straight to hell for that nasty comment.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yeah, she pulled it in alright…..straight into her mouth. OK, I’m done. Promise. No more big girl jokes.

              Can you see my hands? No? Good.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Your list has me laughing like a fool. Thx State!

          Theta Warehouse. You’re gonna like the way you look, we guarantee it.
          Old Navy (no need to change that one)
          Thursday Afternoon (my take on Tuesday Morning)

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Actually, she looks like she could be his daughter in that pic…SPOOKY!

  • JonathanRoberts

    Please just as a thought consider using scientology, narconon, ABLE, etc spelled out instead of CO$ etc. By spelling out the terms it increases the odds Google’s Search engine will find them and populate searches increasing exposure. Just a thought people are free to do what they want I am not trying to be the thought police.

    Sorry for double post I will not do this again however search-terms do help in getting the word out to those that do not know any better.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      That is a good idea and I will try to remember to do so.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Orders received!

      Now, where’s my Big Pharma check??? It’s way overdue!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Then you would need to include description such as Narconon, a front group of scientology’s corporate organization, or ABLE, the umbrella corporate structure for scientology’s multiple front groups, such as Narconon.

    • stateofcircle

      This is a good point, and I also think it’s smart to re-post to make sure it gets seen after it gets pushed down by more comments, and also upvoted so anyone using the “best” filter will see it at the top.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks. This is enough of a reason for me to change my mind. I didn’t want to acknowledge the scummy scammers any more than I had to.
      Here we go! I didn’t want to acknowledge the scamming of the cult Scientology and Narconon, along with ABLE and the rest.

      • MissCandle

        OK

  • Jgg2012

    Tony, the court is probably going to say that the involvement of Narconon Intl., ABLE and RTC are factual issues
    that can only be resolved at trial. As to whether they have contacts in the state, Scientology has orgs in every state, though another state may be a more convenient forum.

  • stateofcircle

    Can email and regular mail communications to ABLE and RTC (and whatever Scientology entities) from Narconon that include things like stat reporting, disciplinary actions, RTC/ABLE creating policies or directions or instructions for NN to carry out be included in evidence? Also, while their financial structure is probably pretty tight in terms of hiding the flow of money to Scientology itself, if the plaintiffs can find an undeniable link that the cherch is arbitrarily receiving funds, how could they argue their way out of that (by arbitrarily I mean aside from the funds that are paid for “licensing” and whatever other stupid safeguard “fees” they pay the cherch)?

    Besides the fact that their statement about Narconon being blameless for drugs getting on campus makes me sick to my stomach, isn’t there such a concept in the law about “reasonable expectations” and implications? As in, it is IMPLIED that a drug rehabilitation center would not have any illicit substances whatsoever in their facility, and if there is, they are negligent? Seriously, is there really any legal basis for this?

    One of the things that I think would be really awesome if it could be done would be having an independent organization somehow get all of the names and contact information of former “patients” and conduct a true analysis of the actual success rate. I know this would be near impossible between HIPAA and the sheer volume of people, but if somehow it could be done, it would categorically prove fraud as well as violating truth in advertising laws.

    how.the.fuck.are.they.still.open.

    • MissCandle

      They can get the records of the patients that died at Narconon Arrowhead and Narconon Georgia, certainly

  • Swiss Guy (not from Sweden)

    ON Kirstie Alley facebook Page :

    Vorherige Kommentare anzeigen
    Lisa Barker Kirstie, your Twitter rant that you now deleted (which is now shown all over the internet) has PR suicide written all over it. Here’s a suggestion, instead of showing coffee pics and talking about syrup on Twitter while you stab an old friend in the back, why don’t you WAKE UP and stop drinking the Kool Aid… Being a bully on social media is not pretty Kirstie no matter how important you think you are to your cult.
    vor etwa einer Stunde · Gefällt mir nicht mehr · 4
    lots of funny comments there ! LOL

    • Sidney18511

      OMG…THAT was just raw honesty. Wonder how long until she deletes it.

    • aquaclara

      Your posting is great. I am laughing as I read this, wishing I had thought it up myself. And I like the Swiss Guy is NOT from Sweden!!!

      • Sherbet

        Does anyone know if this is the type of thing those television entertainment reporting shows would feature — Twitter flame wars between Kirstie and the world? I don’t watch them, but it would make for some amusing viewing.

  • MissCandle

    It sounds like Kirstie Alley is telling people not to read anyone else’s opinion but her own. And since she is a member of the cult of Scientology, why would we (or anyone) put any credence in her opinions? Talk about Thought Police — that is a big characteristic of Scientology.

    Hey Kirstie: If you’re worried about children being killed, why don’t you address the people whose children died in Narconon?

    Start with the parents of Kaysie Werninck, who used to be such a beautiful young woman and who had her whole future in front of her until she sought “treatment” at Narconon — and then died at Narconon Arrowhead.

    And then continue with ALL of the others who died as patients of Narconon. You know, the Narconon that you continue to endorse, even though it has been proven not to work; and instead, has been proven to be fatal.

    What about those parents, Kirstie Alley, member of Scientology and advocate of Narconon? What about those children, huh Kirstie? What do you have to say about those children????

    Tweet about that, Kirstie, I DOUBLE CHIN DARE YOU!!

    • Sherbet

      You know what’s sad and frustrating, MissCandle? Your post clearly points out Alley’s hypocrisy, yet it is apparent that she (mouthing the cos party line) really, truly believes that all criticism comes from bigotry. Period.

    • Gerard Plourde

      “It sounds like Kirstie Alley is telling people not to read anyone else’s opinion but her own”

      The more I’ve thought about this during the day the more I’ve come to the conclusion that this is a sign of the panic going on inside the CO$. Remember that the policy is to avoid entheta at all costs. I forget the exact term that I remember Tory Christman using when she discussed the way conversations her mom had with her had to be tailored to avoid disconnection – was it “Sunny Skies, Fair Weather”?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Good roads, fair weather

        • Gerard Plourde

          Thanks.

          • sister wendy

            haha- I like sunny skies, fair weather:)

  • disqus_SPiN5N4Adl

    What did I say … They’d assert that RTC had insufficient contacts with Georgia and therefore the court doesn’t have jurisdiction.

  • J. Swift

    One person Jeff Harris should subpoena is Tom Cruise.

    Tom Cruise started a high profile Purif for NYC first responders after 911 and went on at length in the media about the benefits of the Scientology Purif.

    If it can be established that the Scientology Purif NYC first responders went through is identical to what those in Narconon go through then it can be argued that RTC is trying to enact a fraud upon the court by arguing, ““RTC does not… own any of the intellectual property associated with the Narconon program.”

    That seems to be fraud on its face and Tom Cruise should be subpoenaed. Specifically, to whom did Tom Cruise pay a licensing fee for his high PR Purif? DId he pay ABLE? I ask because nothing is free in the Church, not even for Tom Cruise and his ambulance-chasing 911 PR Purif. He was being a VM in the worst way.

    As for RTC’s claim that it does not own or control Narconon, this too seems to be an attempt to enact a fraud upon the court as it can be established by various means and documents that RTC effectively owns and controls Narconon.

    It seems like David Miscavige is headed down toward a Larry Wollersheim type of very bad situation.

    Wollersheim proved in court that the Church of Scientology California (CSC) was LRH’s alter ego. The play here might be to argue in Federal court that Narconon, and all of Scientology, is David Miscavige’s alter ego.

    Someday David Miscavige will wind up in his own Bluebird Exile with his own Dr. Denk feeding him pills while a new David Miscavige takes power.

    • Sherbet

      You had me until you got to “a new David Miscavige” taking power. The alleged church has been ducking unprecedented PR damage in the past couple of years, that some of us are thinking the fall of the house of lrh is inevitable. Not just DM’s, but lrh’s house as well. I say this with no disrespect, knowing that’s not a happy thought in your family, but it seems the salvos have inflicted irreversible destruction, and some of us ARE pleased about that.

      • J. Swift

        Note: Another of my TL;DR posts.

        I have been narrating the Karmic Vortex since 2005. The Cult will suffer a staggering self-inflicted collapse; this is the only possible Karmic outcome.

        I wrote long ago on xenu.net, pre-Anonymous, that the Church of Scientology will be the first religion to be dismantled by the Internet; that this would occur by attrition; and that the process would be self-inflicted as the Cult of Scientology is inherently self-destructive.

        In one sense, all any of us do out here is to document and expose the Cult’s own lies and self-inflicted damage. Each day we look and, on most days, there are lies, gaffes, footbullets to expose. To the degree that the Cult’s power and treasury are attrited on a daily
        basis, Miscavige has less power and room to maneuver and this is good.

        This inexorable and irreversible process of damaging self-inflicted attrition began in 2005 when Tom Cruise went on his rampage on Matt Lauer’s Today show.

        BTW, if you want to know the “product” of the Church of Scientology it is OT Tom Cruise on the leaked “Go to Guns” video. That obnoxious, know best, uneducated, wants-to-rule the world, aggressive ignorance is who David Miscavige is and who he wants everyone else to be.

        *****
        If David Miscavige were to leave tomorrow for whatever reason, a “New David Miscavige” would be inevitable as there would be a power vacuum to fill.

        Aided and abetted by non-Scientology attorneys who are lavishly compensated, David Miscavige has collapsed all checks and balances within the Church.

        The Shadowmen who enjoy significant financial benefits from David Miscavige being in power do not want a regime change. They act at all times to keep David Miscavige in power. If DM were to suddenly disappear, these Shadowmen would act to put a new David Miscavige in place to keep the gravy train going.

        While the new David Miscavige would step into the Epic Disaster the old David Miscavige created, the new guy would enjoy the Saudi Prince lifestyle of the old guy. The new guy would also blame all of the bad stuff on the old guy. True to form however, the new guy would be equally uneducated, arrogant, and self-destructive.

        ******

        What I have written assumes that the Cult does not suddenly suffer a massive walk out by its members.

        A massive walk out of members could occur very soon.

        • Missionary Kid

          I haven’t been watching the cult as long and hard as you have.

          I have some questions.

          Who do you consider to be the shadowmen?

          I agree that if DM were to leave right now, there would be someone to take over, but I think that in that case, there will be a massive power struggle. Who do you see as trying to take over?

          I don’t think there will be a massive walkout, because the clams are trained not to look at other sources of information, hence they won’t bolt. The only time that may happen is if DM is pushed out, and he, like Stalin and Hitler, has kept his underlings in a state of confusion and competition.

          • J. Swift

            It is all very interesting MK.

            To answer your questions in no particular order:

            1. There was a huge walkout in 1982 when the Mission Holder Massacre happened:
            http://www.forum.exscn.net/archive/index.php/t-1312.html

            2. The late great Alan Walter said that 35,000 people left.

            3. The Shadowmen include DM’s personal attorney Monique Yingling, Larry Heller, the Lenske brothers, and the Cult’s key non-Scientologist financial people.

            4. I don’t think there would be a massive power struggle. IMO, Shadowmen like Monique Yingling would vector their chosen successor into place. Any new leader would absolutely need the support of the Shadowmen.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thank you very much. I’d heard about the Mission Holder Massacre, but I hadn’t read about it in this detail.

              Here’s my opinion. (Remember, I’m a wog).
              I don’t think that there’s going to be a walkout like 1982. Why?
              1. Because the missions are much more tightly controlled, and that control is centralized.
              2. Income was radically reduced for staff and auditors in 1982. There hasn’t been a corresponding reduction of income.

              I sense that there are two items that are causing the major member dissatisfaction.
              The constant regging of members for building funds.
              The constant repetition of courses, which cost members more as they are at higher OT levels.

              How much control or input do the Shadowmen actually have in regards to Miscarriage?
              Are they simply a rubber stamp?
              Unfortunately, IMO, there has been no real grooming of a second in command or a replacement of DM.
              Also, the way that the whole {church} is managed defies sane management practices.
              Between incredibly bad PR.and the increasingly larger footbullets it produces, the Co$ is in deep trouble.

            • John P.

              MK, you’ve succinctly recapped a lot of the credible scenarios for the decline of the cult including some of the points we at Global Capitalism HQ have raised in our analysis…

              Remember, we’re experts at evaluating whether a company management team is running the organization effectively or are driving the company into the ground. We sometimes talk about a given company “having a 10% management discount,” which means that the stock should go up 10% the day after the board fires the CEO; in some cases when the CEO has gotten axed, the stock moves have been pretty close to the anecdotal phrase. I was one of a number of people who said that Apple had a 40% management premium because of Steve Jobs; over the year since he departed this mortal coil, that’s about how far the stock has declined. The “management discount” on Scientology is probably 50%, but there are enough fundamental problems on so many other levels that even if he disappeared this afternoon, the cult will continue to circle the drain.

              So I agree with you on the issues around incompetent management of Miscavige, the fact that there’s no bench of management talent to take over (anybody left at this point is utter and complete nitwits). But the organization itself, formed in the image of Hubbard’s naval fantasies is structurally inept as well. If all the Harvard MBA’s who are constantly bombarding us with ploys to come work at Global Capitalism HQ all went to work for Scientology instead and did their best, the organization would still be doomed as long as it retained the same structure as it does today. And the membership will continue to decline because there are no new customers who are interested in a product that nobody wants to buy any more, and the existing customers are all getting older or broker.

              Regarding the “Shadowmen,” I have had a number of conversations with J. Swift on this subject over the last year or so. I agree that “wog experts” have a surprising amount of influence over Miscavige, but I am not completely convinced that they are the real powers behind the throne including wielding the power to replace DM when they see fit. I respect J. Swift personally and the depth of his network of contacts in the cult enough to retain an open mind on his scenario, though I think things could easily go either way. We won’t know whether he’s right until DM is cast off his throne and we see in hindsight how it went.

            • Missionary Kid

              Here are 3 perspectives I’ve developed on Scientology: The psychological make-up of the CEO, The structure of the organization, and The product itself.

              The psychological make-up of the CEO
              David Miscavage has been in Scientology since a young age. All of his education has been within Scientology, and he doesn’t have a high school diploma. He doesn’t have the reputation of an autodidact. He has never spent any of his adult life outside of Scientology, and has had little intellectual exposure to it.

              He came up through the organization by means of chance, hard work and Machiavellian maneuvers. He got to see the machinations of LRH up close, and took advantage of his job in the sea org as LRH hid from the feds to position himself to launch a takeover after LRH died.

              DM’s management style is colored by his rise. He is very aware of anyone who might be a threat to his leadership and makes it a point to dispose of or humiliate them if he feels that they might impinge on his power. He is paranoid about it. As a consequence, he has decimated the organization of any person who might have management
              capabilities.

              Since he runs the corporation by fear and intimidation, I think that senior management takes few chances or challenges him on ideas he may have, because they could be banished from power at a whim. Anything they do can run afoul of his temper. I suspect that his outbursts are a result of his emotional rather than rational state. His physical attacks on underlings are a measure of his extremely emotional state, and are also unconsciously calculated to intimidate everyone else in the organization.

              At this point, I think he identifies quite strongly with the church to the point that anything that is in opposition to the church, he takes as a personal attack against him. On the other hand, he doesn’t have much regard for it as an institution, since he only sees it in
              personal terms. Someone leaving is not just leaving, they are abandoning him in his mind.

              I think he also has some anger towards the Co$ because he didn’t create it, he just executed a coup to get it. As a consequence, all that he wants to do is to keep it working for him. His goal seems to be to make money, and not to grow the organization. The slogan Keep Scientolgy Working epitomizes his outlook. There is no mention of
              expansion, except in their own publications and publicity.

              In short, DM is a thug.

              The structure of the organization.
              Scientology is set up ostensibly with a watchdog committee overseeing everything, and the Chairman of the Board running the day to day operations through the heads of different divisions, like a regular corporation. In reality, David Miscavage runs it as his own fief and it has been in chaos since he took over. When Shelly took it upon herself to fill some positions, he exploded. By constantly keeping things in flux, he keeps staff uncertain of their position and under his control because he keeps everything in turmoil.

              The business education of the executives is supposedly based on the writings of LRH, but in reality, each has been moved into a job and learned it by mostly on-the-job training. Since each serves at the whim of the COB, they spend their time trying to please him, instead of doing their job of running the department in the most efficient, cost effective way.

              To keep everyone in Scientology in line, there is a whole system of reporting on people, as well a self-reporting that is encouraged with the use of the e-meter. By the use of the extensive files on every person, the sec checks, and the writing up of Knowledge Reports, people are basically under a soviet style security system. The OSA, IMO, is the Scientology equivalent of the KGB. In a basically free society, it’s amazing that Scientology has been able to function in this way.

              The Product of Scientology
              The biggest problem is with the product. It was created out of whole cloth in the imagination of LRH. It contains many provably false concepts. It’s therapy is based on methods that have largely been discarded, using what is basically an ohmmeter that measures galvanic skin response, to supposedly detect the truth of a person’s reaction.

              The reason it succeeds as much as it has is that the whole system it operates under is devoted to controlling the people inside of it. Unfortunately for Scientology, the general perception of it in the public eye has shifted from curiosity to disdain. This means that there will be even fewer new adherents.

              If the whales desert Scientology, and Narconon starts losing money, it is done for, because without them, the burden of keeping it afloat will all fall on the adherents, who are already overtaxed.

              I hope the failure comes soon.

            • Missionary Kid

              If $cientology was traded on the market, I’d sell short.

    • Captain Howdy
    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Actually, he will blend more easily with the money shit…

    • Jgg2012

      In fact, they sue anyone who practices Scientology outside of the official church, and have not sued Narconon, ABLE or RTC.

  • TonyOrtega

    Hot legal story coming to the blog in about 20 minutes. (5 Eastern.)

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    New story is up. Hold on to your butts…

  • Mary_McConnell

    Thanks for the update, Tony. And the damning dox, lol

  • Jgg2012

    ” RTC does not own or control any of the other Defendants in this case” They are on the front page of your website, silly.

  • USA MRIID

    “the Class Action Fairness Act of 2005, a Bush-era law”

    More Republican treason against our country.

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