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Scientology Metaphysics: After Death, Will You Go to Mars or Venus?

MarsThis promises to be an amazing week here at the Underground Bunker. On Tuesday, we’re told, the Oklahoma legislature may finally approve a new law that will put Scientology’s drug rehab flagship center in that state, Narconon Arrowhead, under stricter state control (and may actually put it out of business). Another big story we’re following — Luis Garcia’s federal fraud lawsuit in Tampa — may produce a huge finding from Judge James Whittemore about Scientology’s insistence about religious arbitration.

And in the meantime, of course, we’re still excited about Friday’s police raid of Scientology’s drug rehab facility in the Atlanta region, the first raid by law enforcement of a Scientology facility in the U.S. since the FBI swarmed church offices in D.C. and Los Angeles in 1977.

These are exciting times! But let’s not forget the founder of our feast, L. Ron Hubbard, and his wise words. Keeping up on Scientology’s beliefs is not an easy proposition. Take the publication Slate this week, for example, which included this whopper in an otherwise quality piece about Tom Cruise…

“Scientologists deny any belief in reincarnation,” the story asserts, but that’s a major error. Actually, belief in reincarnation is one of the few things that Scientologists are happy to divulge. It’s what happens between lives that Scientologists are more shy about revealing.

Thankfully, Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard spoke very plainly what he says happens after you die and take up another body. He revealed it in a 1963 lecture as part of the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course, which church members flocked to in order to go “clear.”

Wouldn’t you know it — we found a lengthy excerpt from Hubbard’s 1963 lecture, and we’re happy to share it with you. This is really amazing stuff: Hubbard begins by telling of his amazing experiences hanging out in the Earth’s Van Allen Belt, which he says is actually toasty warm, even though scientists believe the temperatures several thousand kilometers above the planet are low enough to freeze off your dangly parts!

In this excerpt, Hubbard begins talking about your experiences after you die, then there’s a break, and he takes up later what it means for Earth. After the excerpt, we’ll do our best to summarize what he’s talking about…

 

 
The recording begins several minutes into the lecture, when Hubbard explains that recently, he’s been exploring the solar system in an exteriorized state — in other words, as a thetan, separate from a corporeal human body. He’s been hanging out in Earth’s Van Allen Belt, where scientists say the temperature is about -450 degrees Fahrenheit, or just above absolute zero. But Hubbard claims that while he was hanging out there, the temperatures were quite warm.

He then reported that he felt less than in control of himself, and that things appeared odd — suddenly he found himself on the planet Venus. Hubbard determined that after a person dies, he or she then travels to Mars or Venus to undergo a “between-lives implant.” In other words, your inner soul — a thetan — travels to a way station where your memory is erased, and a hellacious implant is put into your mind before you take up another body on earth.

“Of all the nasty, mean and vicious implants that have ever been invented, this one is it. And has been going on for thousands of years. It’s the most complete memory wipeout system and the biggest bunch of lies that anybody ever had anything to do with,” Hubbard says.

He then asserts that time spent between death and your rebirth takes longer than previously expected — more than 69 days, he says, because the tricksters running things on Venus or Mars are filling you with images of your death that actually didn’t happen. The nefarious bastards!

The recording then skips past about twenty minutes of Hubbard cogitation about your “whole track” that would probably motivate most modern listeners to commit suicide for the boredom.

Then the recording picks up again, and Hubbard notes that this kind of implanting has been going on a long, long time. And it was Mary Sue — his third wife — who pointed out that it was a lot of effort by “them” to keep an OT (high-level Scientologist, an “Operating Thetan”) from keeping his or her awareness of themselves from life to life.

“Hey, now, that’s quite a thought! Isn’t that quite a thought?” Hubbard asks.

For some reason, he says, the powers that be whisk you away between lives to places like Mars, which appears to be a nicely-maintained place, for your heavy between-lives implant. (Earlier, he had said that he’d been compelled to go to Venus, where he was almost run over by a locomotive.)

Hubbard says he’s simply relaying what he found on his travels around the Solar System: that someone is making sure that human beings have their memories erased after they die, at relay stations on Mars and Venus, and that they then take up new bodies having no clue what they went through before.

“I don’t pretend to have the answers to these questions…I’ve seen the room. And you’re just beginning to look at it,” he says.

As he explains in other parts of this lecture, Hubbard says only Scientology can help defeat this implant, so that a high-level Scientologist can go through lifetime after lifetime while retaining the memory of what he’s gone through. And isn’t that possibility thrilling? Now, perhaps, you can see the appeal of Scientology!

 
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BREAKING: Kerry Kennedy Appearance at Scientology Front Group Delayed

Well, isn’t this interesting. After we broke the news that Kerry Kennedy, daughter to RFK and a human rights advocate, was scheduled to schmooze with Anne Archer in her house at a May 1 meeting of the Artists for Human Rights — a Scientology front group — now Kennedy has postponed and Archer has moved back the event to the fall. We are sure our readers weep with her…

 
KerryKennedyDelay

 
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Two Very Heterosexual Males Bond at the Stonewall Inn

In 1969, the gay rights movement in the United States started on a fateful night at the Stonewall Inn, a bar in New York’s Greenwich Village. And last night, two heterosexual males with enough confidence in their sexual orientations decided that the best damn place to get roaring drunk together was at this monument to human rights. And hence, we offer this photograph to commemorate this event, which involved a lot of future planning of enturbulation which we hope readers of this blog and fans of the BBC will be looking forward to for months and years to come. To wit….

 
SweeneyOrtega

 
And yes, a damn fine time was had by all. Especially the planning of future events…

 
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We only wish the loyal readers of the Underground Bunker had been along for the good times.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 29, 2013 at 07:00

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  • jensting

    Good for Kerry Kennedy, and for those who spent a working evening in the bar.

    These are exciting times, and I’m looking forward to more legal action against the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology. (Oh, and the police raids the offices of said organisation regularly, just not in the US…)

    • Missionary Kid

      Unfortunately, raids haven’t been done often enough in the U.S. Let’s hope we can make up for lost time.

      • Ze Moo

        NarCONon’s share expertise and workers. If they conned insurance dollars in Georgia, they did it everywhere. If been sending my Blue Cross and other insurance companies links to the wsj stories and asking if they pay any NarCONon or affiliates any money. One can hope more fraud will be caught.

        • Missionary Kid

          Bless you. I hope you sent them to the CEOs, because you know what flows downhill.

    • Also, Cheers to those who spent their time peppering Kerry Kennedy with emails regarding the truth about Scientology and their human rights violations.

  • FistOfXenu

    Men go to Mars, Women go to Venus?

    • sugarplumfairy

      Well, I’m female.. But if I can’t go to Mars, I ain’t going..

      • Roger Larsson

        Mars or Venus?

        To drive a locomotive on Venus is SOMETHING!

        Successful leaders never misses the tunnel and crashes against a mountain on Venus but
        successful leaders on Venus help the ones that have missed the tunnel back on the right track again.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Well, I am headed straight to Venus! I have always wanted to operate a train!

          • Missionary Kid

            See my answer to Roger about what it’s like on Venus. Do you want to change your mind? 😉

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            uh oh, …Bury runs into The Hub on Venus….I can’t watch. Oh yes I can…

            http://youtu.be/azV5bC2br-Q

            • FistOfXenu

              Well if BTN’s operating the train, that means the windbag must be Hubbard. Yup, that’s about right. Trainwreck $cientology. Known just as “$cientology” for short.

        • Missionary Kid

          It would be very difficult to drive a locomotive anywhere on Venus. “The surface temperature of Venus is highly uniform, about 462 °C (about 736 K/864 °F)” The atmosphere is 90 times as dense as earth’s, and it consists of mostly sulfuric acid.

          I’ll take Mars.

          • Roger Larsson

            The ones going to Venus must bring condoms with them when they leave, the ones going to Mars don’t have to bring any luggage.

            • Missionary Kid

              😉

          • Roger Larsson

            Venus is an unpleasant planet now yes, a way back in time before Venus suffered from the greenhouse effect it could have been a very pleasant planet. Ron Hubbard made Venus unpleasant with his Kool cigarettes.

            • Missionary Kid

              YEAH! It was those damn Kools!

          • I’m staying right were I am, thanks. I prefer breathing oxygen. 95% carbon dioxide is a bit rich for my blood. Also, that -171°F? I don’t think they make a parka warm enough for that. *shiver*

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s easier to heat up a spacesuit than it is to cool it down. Needless to say, I’ll stay here, too.

          • FistOfXenu

            You have to be wrong about Venus, MK. If you’re right that would make Liar Ron Humptydumpty full of horseshit. That’s impossible right?

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s impossible if you’re a brainwashed, word cleared, Kool-Aid drinking, hatted, $cion.

              Hail Xenu. LRH was about as “clear” as a cup of double expresso from Starbucks.

            • FistOfXenu

              Me, I was thinking of something else brown and runny. Something I wouldn’t drink.

            • Missionary Kid

              That works, too.

      • I’d be happy to go to Venus because of the heavy cloud cover, which would mean my thetan wouldn’t have to wear a sun hat.

        Andrew

        • sugarplumfairy

          Well…… If you and Roger and Bury are on Venus, that may well force me to rethink..

          • where are john and tony going, and which planet has the best beer?

            • sugarplumfairy

              very good questions..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I’m going with Pluto.

            • FistOfXenu

              Goofy’s the better bet.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Agreed. But with Pluto, they can write off all expenses as a fact finding mission to determine if a) Pluto is for Real a non planet and b) if Hubbard was sighted in the sauna.

            • FistOfXenu

              You could be right, but can Pluto do this?
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZgiVicpZGk

              Goofy can.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Belgians strongly suggest Blue Moon.

        • Roger Larsson

          a condom?

      • FistOfXenu

        I wonder if anybody’ll get to go to Mars anymore. I think they’ll have to move the implant station so that Mars Rover thing doesn’t find it and give the game away.

      • Exterrier

        Sorry, but just beyond the Van Allen Belt, there is a glass ceiling that women cannot pass through, except to go to Venus. That is why none were sent to the moon. I am sure Ron spoke of this in one of the Congress Lectures. Find your M.U., and restudy the materials.

    • Missionary Kid

      Interestingly enough, I know a cousin of the guy who wrote that book. I found it a good metaphor for explaining differences in the way men and women perceive things.

      The cousin says he came up with the whole metaphor from the same place LRH did: straight out of his imagination.

      • richelieu jr

        I didn’t know the imagination was placed so far up the ass. Live and learn…

        • Missionary Kid

          I should have put it differently. Men are from Mars… is much more entertaining and it gave me insight into some of my past relationships – without shelling out more than the price of the book. I’d call it a useful fairy tale.

          Anything LRH wrote was to capture, enslave, and tax people of their lives and money, and to leave them in thrall to him. His fairy tale is totally destructive.

      • FistOfXenu

        Drugs, huh?

        • Missionary Kid

          No, just a good storyteller. According to his cousin, until then, he kind of drifted through life until he wrote the book, then made a bundle Supposedly, he had a degree, but it was totally unrelated to psychology.

          • Midwest Mom

            His educational background and “degrees” are also questionable. The first time that I saw him on TV he gave me the heebee geebees and he still does. It’s that old intuition kicking in, I suppose.

            • Missionary Kid

              I enjoyed tthe book. It enabled me to put some things into a verbal structure about the differences between men and women. On the other hand, I wouldn’t start a branch of psychology or a religion using it.

              The difference between men and women is in the genes as well as the jeans. Vive la difference.

              I wasn’t going to say anything definite about his degrees, but now I have. They’re pretty skeeevy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gray_%28U.S._author%29

              John Gray is certainly more qualified academically than LRH, but that’s not saying much.

            • Midwest Mom

              According to my research, males seem to enjoy making females squirm. Whether it’s flipping their eyelids inside-out to cause shrieks of horror during the elementary school years or as adults by posting a photo on a blog (more than once, I might add) of a painting with the likeness of a pregnant Scientologist, her husband and her exposed basketball belly, to incite mass screaming and nightmares.

              Females tend to remember when males have messed up at anything and everything and remember with detail, even if it is 1:00 a.m. in the morning.

              The most important difference, of course, is that men look much better without makeup!

            • Missionary Kid

              “Females tend to remember when males have messed up at anything and
              everything and remember with detail, even if it is 1:00 a.m. in the
              morning.”

              Sounds like my ex-wife, who, when she got mad, would enumerate my “mistakes” from the time we got involved up to the moment of the argument. I finally figured out that my “mistakes” were that I hadn’t done things her way.

              I pity her present husband.

            • Bella Legosi

              hate to say it but I know my own gender and it is shit like that that keeps me from being a full fledged lesbian!

            • Missionary Kid

              To add to her never seeming to forget, she was also the queen of historical revisionism. After the divorce, I saw her change her stance on an event within half an hour, from all bad to all good.

              I never said anything about it to my kids. Years later, my youngest said that he’d tell his friends about it, and they wouldn’t believe him, until he had a friend over who witnessed it, and he felt vindicated.

              The ex was also tremendously passive-aggressive. I didn’t put that together until my youngest said it.

              It was a great discovery to learn that most women aren’t that way. Like someone who leaves Co$, I spent a lot of time afterwards wondering why I got involved with a person like that. When I ended up being the caretaker of my father in his last years, I realized she had a lot of the same characteristics of my father. Horrors!

            • Bella Legosi

              lol

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s only funny years afterwards.

            • Bella Legosi

              Oscar Wilde once said,”How can a woman be expected to be happy with a man who insists on treating her as if she were a perfectly normal human being?”

              I gotta admit he’s got a point there!

            • Missionary Kid

              It took me a long time to realize that many women who espoused equality really didn’t. I took out bright, beautiful women who were often attracted to real assholes who treated them like shit. I realized that they liked men who fed their insecurities.

              Thank goodness, many aren’t like that.

            • Bella Legosi

              Damn Kid you are a good reader of women!

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve got the scars to prove how I learned to do it.
              It’s interesting, but if I’m not involved, I can spot problems a mile away.
              If I’m involved, I’ve got a huge blind spot because my little brain influences my thinking.

            • Bella Legosi

              Well thank you for sharing the wisdom and putting in some truth with it as well. It happens to guys, its forgiven! Girls have blinders too but something tells me you found that one out a long time ago huh?

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t know why this just showed up 11 days late, but, yes. You’re right.

            • Midwest Mom

              My husband lucks out, since I’m a narcoleptic, I fall asleep quite quickly, even if I am talking to him at the time! It’s funny…he never wakes me up to finish what I was saying! (Smart man.) 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              Sounds like the smartest thing he did was marry you. 😉

            • Midwest Mom

              ha ha! I think that I will copy and print that comment and then will tape it to a new box of golf balls (as well as bake his favorite cookies and homemade pie) for our anniversary, which is coming up!

            • Midwest Mom

              ha ha! I think that I will copy and print that comment and then will tape it to a new box of golf balls (as well as bake his favorite cookies and homemade pie) for our anniversary, which is coming up!

            • Missionary Kid

              There’s the inverse of that one. “When you question my judgement, remember that I picked you.”

    • FLUNK_101

      Venus has a lot of ammonia in the atmosphere.
      Me and another clam walked into a burrito joint. They were cleaning, and the place reeked of ammonia.
      My friend said, “What the fuck is this? Venus?”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        True story, flunk. My husband was forever on his Purif and everyone else had to leave because of the ammonia fumes. We are still figuring out what this means, but his lab tests show he is one clean machine.

        • FLUNK_101

          Mr Clean !
          What’s weird is something I heard about someone from the int base being treated for ingesting hydrogen peroxide. Did you hear anything about that?

  • Patty Moher

    I’m pretty sure that in some later lecture, Hubbard claims to have personally destroyed all the implant stations on Mars and Venus, as part of his role as Mankind’s Greatest Friend. Hubbard’s huge ego is not going to let anyone else take the credit for that “accomplishment”.

    • johnny d

      “Invalidating my own perception don’t you see”?

    • johnny d

      “Invalidating my own perception don’t you see”?

    • There’s a theological conundrum here. If Ron destroyed the Implant Stations on Mars and Venus then where are our thetans supposed to go when we drop our bodies?

      There used to be an Implant Station in the Pyrenees but the queues would be enormous so unless you took a stack of books it would be very boring waiting to finally get in to have your memories erased and false ones implanted!

      Andrew

      • Missionary Kid

        Sounds like a ski lift that was too busy. [-)

      • That could explain why Ron still hasn’t “graced” us with his presences again. Stuck in a never-ending line at implant station. Kind of like being at Wal-Mart.

      • FistOfXenu

        That’s why the halls where the dead line up to wait for implanting is stacked with all the latest rewrites of LRH rantings. And the Hubbardclopedia.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Um, what?

          • FistOfXenu

            I guess that was too obscure? It’s connected to Andrew’s post.

    • mirele

      I hope someone remembers where this is in all of Hubbard’s loghorrea. It would be a pity to have such ego disappear down the memory hole.

    • FistOfXenu

      But then where do we all go for implanting when we die? Next thing you’ll be telling us the whole thing was a made up bunch of lies!

    • Real Shellback

      I guess if you create an imaginary after-death experience, you can imagin destorying it just the same.

    • Sherbet

      Well, that’s plausible, isn’t it? I can get behind someone who speaks such truthiness.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Patty’s right. (I friggin’ hate that I remember this crappola). And here’s a shocker: Later, for a fee, you could find out the super secret code book and manual for What To Do To Avoid Any Implant When You Die So You Can Merrily Shop For A New Body. So now, you wogs stop laughing. It All makes perfect sense, you hear!

        • Sherbet

          Truthiness is awesomeness.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yeah, but did you get a decoder ring? That would have made it all worth it, wouldn’t it? NOT.

        • ParticleMom

          Is it anything like the Mormon’s secret password and handshake?

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Damn, I wish I had a decoder ring. Handshakes, not so much.

          • FistOfXenu

            Can you get those in a Crackerjack box?

            • Midwest Mom

              Not anymore. The last few times I had Cracker Jack, they only had fake tattoos for prizes. ;(

  • Missionary Kid

    Tony, we’re all looking forward to future events. Thanks for your work.

  • Observer

    Tony, I really appreciate your summations of Hubbard’s blather. While it’s irritating enough to read his hogwash, hearing him spout his lies in that smug manner of his (and so obviously making up his anecdotes on the fly) is downright infuriating. I can never take it for more than a couple of minutes. Demented old buffoon.

    I hope Kerry Kennedy uses her six months of postponement to educate herself about what kind of criminal organization she unwittingly agreed to support. Why do people seem to have the idea that Hollywood actors are worthy of automatic, unquestioning trust? Their livelihood is playing make-believe!

    • richelieu jr

      He definitely wasn’t lying about that train– I was the one who told him to get out of the way, “Duck Hubby, that choo-choo’s goofed the floof!”, said I, pulling him sideways..

      He nearly made it too, but the train rolled over his lips, deforming them horribly…. Oh well, better luck on the next bardo, L ROn!

      • FistOfXenu

        You 2 were married in that life?

        • richelieu jr

          We still are, in the eyes of Xenu!

          Come home Hubby, my hubby!

          • FistOfXenu

            Tell you the truth I didn’t notice. You must’ve married when I was on vacation. But congratulations and now could you get your hubby under control before he does any more damage?

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      I hope within six months we see Miscavige et al on trial, Congress demanding an investigation into church atrocities, and the IRS revoking tax exemption. I think Kerry Kennedy will not even answer Archer’s calls in six months, much less speak at her house.

  • Sidney18511

    I would love to hear from someone who was at briefing course listening to the hubster tell this story and came to the realization that THIS MAN IS NUTS and left never to return. Surely, there had to be at least ONE person who slipped out the back door, realized they were listening to a crazy man and blew. Really, how many gullible people could there be?

    • Observer

      That’s probably a question best left unasked.

      • FistOfXenu

        According to DM, 10 mill? And I think OTVIIIisGr8 said it was up to 4 billion or something? I lost count but I think he includes all the voices in LRH’s head and DM’s head.

    • Missionary Kid

      Maybe they’re too embarrassed to admit they’d been there.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      But he IS speaking up, by not speaking. He is most likely dead now, thereby Proving there is no implant aferlife. See? You can take the scientology out of the circular logic, but you can’t take the circular logic out of the scienologist.

      • Missionary Kid

        $cientology, tautology is thy name.

  • It’s sad to think the ramblings of a mad man, writing at his desk or speaking to an audience, are taken as the foundational truths for life by thousands of people.

    • sugarplumfairy

      who could listen to this crap for the entire 18 min??

      I got all the way to “good heavens, man, where did you find that king cobra” and my nose started to bleed.. I’m sure if I go any farther, my head will explode..

      • Ciru

        I listened for 20 minutes, looked at the counter and saw that it had only been 5 minutes. It’s not just stupid, it’s really boring too. I don’t understand how people say that he was a great storyteller, it’s like an unending drone.

        • Observer

          THANK you! He was a horrible storyteller!

        • sugarplumfairy

          lol.. It’s like verbal masturbation.. not meant to be a spectator sport..

          • FistOfXenu

            Maybe he spent his whole life trying to make a moon child with his mouth?

        • It’s not just that it’s awful and boring, but to listen to awful and boring in such a smarmy tone (where is smarmy on the tone scale?) is actually infuriating. I want to vomit. Am I at effect on this, or what?

          • aquaclara

            To find smarmy on the tone scale, we have to turn to the NEW OT TONE SCALE for EXCEPTIONAL TONENESSICITYNESS. Because of the new tone levels so capably demonstrated by our Meritorious Patronizing Number 2, Tom Cruise himself, we have had to create a brand new tone scale to fit our expansion plans.
            In our new NOTS for ET, the condition of Smarmy is located just above “You’re Glib, Matt” and one step below “Excellently Excessive Couch-Jumping.”

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              And Snarky would be the new Tone 40, right?

            • aquaclara

              🙂

            • FistOfXenu

              This deserves double up-vote for the word “tonenessicityness”.

            • Missionary Kid

              THE NEW OT TONE SCALE shall be known as the SMEGMA TONE SCALE.

        • richelieu jr

          Smarmy = off the Tone Scale and onto the Oiliness Table..

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        hahahaha… you mean you actually Listened to the mad man? you should join The Ex Club. We could have advised to not go there. Tony has one wicked sense of humor after wild nights cavorting with foreign bitter journalists.

      • FistOfXenu

        Yup. Undiluted LRH in a lecture is even more unbearable than diluted LRH in the Battlefield Earth movie. Most people could manage 18 minutes of the movie.

      • hogarthian

        I can’t even be arsed to listen. I’ll leave it to T.O. … and you lot to fill me in on the gist.

      • You made it further than I did.

      • Captain Howdy

        Hah! that was nothing. Try listening to the “Jonestown Death Tape” sometime. Almost an hour of Jim Jones babbling while people are dying all around him. It’s on youtube.

    • BosonStark

      The Indies spring to mind. People in the cult, under Dr. Hubtard’s hypno-spell, given their level of sunk cost or commitment and the controls in place, pretty much lapped up everything he said and were awed by his space travels and mastery of concepts about implants.

      Capt. Bill went off on his own nutty lecturing about aliens among us, which was updated for the times and he also expanded the OT levels into the hundreds.

      Now the modern Hubbardnutter is Marty Rathbun, who actually reads other books, and thinks about them, but unfortunately he’s got kind of a mediocre mind — a few shades saner than Capt. Bill, but not quite as bright either — just personable enough to attract people who “want to believe” in the goodness and wisdom of Dr. Hubtard’s philoso-pile and “tech,” with some real superpowers thrown in.

      As Michael Shermer would say, it’s not up to us to prove these things aren’t true or don’t work. It’s up to Scientologist to show evidence that they do, other than the, “It works for me!” They can’t admit that this was part of why they were certain they’re the only ones who could save this sector of the gulaxie. They bought into a great deal more than “It works for me.” They believed others MUST be cleared, before it is too late.

      • Sidney18511

        what else is Marty going to do for a living? He spent years honing his craft. He was praised as one of the best. He was given awards! People loved his talents, because he was so, so good. He even audited the celebs!
        That’s like spending years of you life learning how to read tea leaves, and becoming an expert.
        I think Marty has 2 problems. He doesn’t, or can’t admit that he became a brainwashed fool by a crazy bullshiteing con man and he makes a good living auditing confused clams.
        The man twists himself into a pretzel trying to compare LRH to long time dead gurus.

        • Missionary Kid

          As I remember it, a study was done some time ago on the effectiveness of therapy.

          Different parameters were examined:,techniques were compared, as well as the education of the therapist, etc., etc. Those factors didn’t turn out to be much of a factor.

          What was important was the empathy of the counselor as well as the expectations of the client.

          If Marty is at least more sympathetic and caring as a indie, his clients who have never had any contact with a good mental health worker will think they’re getting one hell of a deal.

          For some people, faith healing works, for others, dancing naked in the middle of the street, pouring bat guano over their heads works, and others, who’ve drunk the Kool Aid cannot imagine themselves talking to a real psych, Marty is gonna be there for them. In psychology, if you believe it works, often enough, it will.

          • Ze Moo

            The power of positive self deception is a wonderous thing. The placebo effect is a real thing. It is just hard to make lots of money marketing little sugar pills.

            • Medical research suggests that the efficacy of a placebo is directly related to its size and cost.

              Ron knew this, which is why Scientology courses costs so much.

              Andrew

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              And that is why you are a brilliant gem here, Andrew. I would add that Marty himself has included his genetic family history of manic depressives. OSA of course has manipulated that factoid in ways to make it appear like it is abnormal and satanic. Well, that’s because they are scientologists and freakin’ 1950’s conspiracy terrorists without a clue.

              I for one hope Marty’s wife and father in law continue to help him, but I will never forget what he needs to make whole and right. I’m beginning to think that Marty is approaching that truth up ahead and gripping the rails of Hubbard to make his way there. Whether or not he will ever be able to let go …. I doubt, but I hope.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Good posts, both Ze Moo and Andrew.

              Hubbard even said it in one of his congress lectures
              on Help And Control, I believe, that 25% of people will
              get better no matter what you do or say to them.

              Perhaps, placebo effect is the greatest secret of scientology.

            • Missionary Kid

              Oh, yeah? That’s all Co$ gives out.

            • FistOfXenu

              Are you old enough to remember Carter’s Little Liver Pills? 🙂 Did pretty good til they got caught.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Marty rather surprised me today by being critical of Hubbard going torpedoes on the critics:
        http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/the-quest-quixotian-or-gandhian/
        He actually blames Hubbard and not Miscavige in that context, for a change.

  • Technically, scientologists do not consider that they believe in reincarnation, as that is a system of progressing through various lives as frogs, bugs, small animals, etc., in a progression toward enlightenment. I believe it is other practices of the eastern spiritual traditions that have this system.
    So, they can say with a straight face that they don’t believe in reincarnation. Instead, they have knowledge of their past lives. I know, I know, it sounds like another redefinition of words gambit.

    • Henk de Vries

      I agree there is a fundamental difference…

      In Buddhism, the quality of your next life is determined by how righteous you live in your current life.

      In Scientology, the quality of your next life is determined by the amount of money you give to the IAS.

      • sugarplumfairy

        “In scientology, the quality of your next life is determined by the amount of money you give…”

        It bears repeating.. Or bares repeating.. Whichever.. It is definitely worth repeating..

        • BuryTheNuts2

          You can have anything you want….at L. Ron’s restaurant.

          If you can afford it.

          • Missionary Kid

            Arlo would appreciate your change of his lyrics.

          • FistOfXenu

            Damn! That’s another fine song ruined for me by association with LRH!

            • Missionary Kid

              The tag line took all the sting out of the association for me, “If you can afford it.,” which is the exact opposite of Alice and Arlo’s philosophy.

          • Cymboli Starsong

            Damn you. Now Alice’s Restaurant will be in my head all day.

          • DodoTheLaser

            “You can have anything you want….at L. Ron’s restaurant.

            If you can afford it.”

            And even then it’s still imaginary, well, except the stale fries perhaps.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Epic post, Henk. Thank you!

        Lurkers: Money donated to the IAS are not used to benefit the society and world at large.
        Ideal Orgs are even emptier than the old ones, with less staff and public.
        It’s a disaster and a scam. Prove me wrong.

        Skip the routing forms, just leave and start breathing and living.
        No one can take your freedom/eternity from you.
        Life will only get better, I promise.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I just dont understand why these silly woggies make fun of us, do you?

      • Missionary Kid

        THDN, I don’t think I’d ever make fun of you in your present state, which seems to be a lot of fun, and sane, to boot.

        As to my sanity, that’s another subject.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          MK, scientology is Just One of my life’s follies. Ok, the worst. But I have found that if you can’t admit your mistakes And laugh at yourself, That’s gonna cost ‘ya!

          • Missionary Kid

            O.K., I’ll kid ya a bit, but you’ve had enough sense to leave the f**cked up world called clamland. I’m sure the cost was probably high going in as well as out. Supposedly, tragedy is at the heart of comedy. Time for the comedy.

    • Ms. B. Haven

      I’m betting that everyone who was ‘in’, has lots of stories to tell about past lives. Personally, I never did have any grand adventures from the whole track to share or brag about. I guess my past lives were just as boring as my present life is sometimes. I can’t tell you how many scientologists I ran into who have saved entire planets and civilizations. These stories are always amusing and contain as much bluster as Hubbard’s yarns. The funny thing is, in THIS life, they can’t seem to do anything so grandiose. Christ, most can’t even succeed at the jobs they are doing well enough to be doing well after coming out of the latest IAS reg cycle. Forget upping your ‘status’ or saving the planet. Go volunteer in a soup kitchen if you want to help. Much more effective than littering disaster sites with Way To Happiness booklets.

      • FistOfXenu

        Reverse reincarnation? You know, like if you live a good life you come back as some thing better and better and better? And if you life a bad life you come back as some thing worse and worse and worse? And if you’re a real bastard, you come back as LRH and DM or GO/OSA?

      • Missionary Kid

        I was a kid when the whole Bridey Murphy phenomenon was big. It sold books and magazines because of the story of a young woman who revealed a past life in Ireland under hypnosis. Nobody could find any connection, but she described places very well.

        Finally, it was discovered that she’d had a neighbor who’d emigrated from Ire who told stories to the subject when she was a little girl. The suggestion that there was a past life while she was under hypnosis led her to make up the Bridey Murphy character and stories.

        The woman is still convinced she had a past life, but nearly everyone else isn’t.

        This was going around at the same time LRH was developing $cientology. It was the spirit of the times.

        • Captain Howdy

          This is the “reincarnation” story that scientology trolls like vaLLarrr promote as being possible proof of past lives. Kid remembers being a WWII navy pilot.

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209795/Reincarnated-Our-son-World-War-II-pilot-come-life.html

          • Missionary Kid

            Do you ever notice that almost everyone that claims remembering a past life has an exciting one to “remember?” Everybody’s a prince or pilot or queen, but very few are deckhands, or scullery maids or stable hands, and they all die under dramatic circumstances, like the plague or London fire.

            The Daily Mail is there to sell papers, and nobody’s really taken a close look at this story. There’s always a lot of ex post facto reasoning that goes into the stories.

            There was very little mention of UFOs until the 1950s, and the whole thing has waxed and waned. Now you’ve got the friggin History Channel spouting that crap, along with Ancient Aliens, so reports are up again.

            I’m sure that nobody started asking the kid in the story open-ended questions at the start of his “remembering.” It is so easy to implant memories in kids minds, just read about the McMartin Preschool case in California. The whole thing was started by an alcoholic mother who died before the trials were concluded. The work of the investigators is now cited as an example of how NOT to conduct questioning of children.

            • Captain Howdy

              Actually the story has been pretty thoroughly examined and debunked — at least to my satisfaction. And being from CA. I remember the McMartin case well, and there have been similar false memory day care center/satanic abuse cases in MN. and here in N.E, the Fells Acres pre-school case, which didn’t have quite the happy ending that McMartin did.

              I use to call the History Channel the ‘Hitler Channel” now I think the “Hubbard Channel” is more appropriate.

            • Missionary Kid

              As Charlie Sheen said on 2-1/2 Men, “it’s always Nazi week on the History Channel.”

            • Missionary Kid

              I attended the same church that the then girl who made the initial McMartin charges attended when I was in my late teens. Her father was the pastor. I must have met her, but I have no recollection of her.

            • Ze Moo

              “Hubbard Channel’ is a little too strong. I like ‘National Enquirer of Science’. The current stable of bigfoot, aliens stuff, loch ness monster, conspiracies of the month and ghosts make me doubt Darwin. Then I see the “Wives of Somewhere” and Honey Boo-Boo and I see that all TV is in H L Mencken mode.

            • Del Ling

              I’ve seen a trailer for Honey Boo Boo and I had nightmares for a week…. I’m glad I don’t have access to to that channel, whichever it was, wouldn’t want to zap into that program by accident.

            • N. Graham

              I think it’s mainly in Scientology that you get the space opera. Many, if not most, reviewers of past lives have less sensational ones. I had a hypnotism class with a Hindu from India and he would tell us about reviewing past lives that were very mundane. The same with most of the accounts of Edgar Cayce, they are fairly mundane although there seems to be a preponderance of accounts intersecting the life of Jesus.

            • Missionary Kid

              Who you were in a past life is very very centered on the present culture. Notice that none of the people whose lives were around Jesus speak Aramaic.

        • FistOfXenu

          False memory implant. Just like being in $cientarCONon except she didn’t have to pay out big bucks to a lunatic’s clone to have her mind screwed with.

          • Missionary Kid

            Yup. I think she made a little money out of it, and the person who wrote the book made much more.

    • FLUNK_101

      Excellent post. Great account of Scientologists and how they see their beliefs reflected back to them in their everyday world.
      Thanks for the memories!

    • DodoTheLaser

      I knew a guy who told me the reason he had recurring head aches is because of the past life incident where he was shot in the head with an arrow. So he basically was walking with an arrow sticking out of his head the whole time. It was pretty funny the way he described it.

      • John P.

        Interesting. Is a whole track injury from getting shot by a Marcabian arrow an explanation for this guy, who spent years walking around with an arrow through his head? In this guy’s case it apparently served him well… http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/SteveMartin.jpg

        • DodoTheLaser

          Hahaha!!! Thanks, John, that’s a funny one!

          In case with my guy, he is Snr C/S Russia now.
          I vote for Steve Martin’s version. 🙂

      • I used to be a mighty arrow, and then I took an arrow to the knee…

        • DodoTheLaser

          LOL, it’s a gamer reference for those who wonder, google it.

  • LongNeckGoose

    I think what Hubbard had read is that gases at very low pressure (high altitudes) are technically very hot because their molecules have a lot of room to vibrate, although you’d still freeze solid up there because the molecules are so few and far between that they wouldn’t warm you at all. Very typical of him to seize upon some little bit of science trivia and pass it along to his disciples even though he himself didn’t really understand it. I do miss the old days of science fiction when I was a kid, when we still could imagine that the solar system was inhabitable, if not inhabited. Of course, he humbly tendered these words of wisdom, as a gift to Mankind, just as the first probes were arriving at Mars and Venus to tell us what conditions there were really like. Hey, he was just trying to wow the suckers for one more day.

    • Whiningmachine

      I think that’s a bit generous of you, Goose. The man was utterly inept as a scientist, and I doubt his seventeen molecular physics degrees and three thousand honourary degrees (all from Oxford) would have covered it.

      • FistOfXenu

        Don’t forget his Nobel Prize for inventing nuclear physics and calculus. Also his Congressional Medal of Honor for destroying satanism in the USA.

        • Don’t forget the one for taking out that dreaded enemy, Mexico, during the second world war.

          • FistOfXenu

            I thought that was only a Silver Star?

            • I’m sure it’s been upgraded now that they understand his true genius, and that Mexico was once Xenu’s stronghold.

      • N. Graham

        Don’t forget the thousands of humanitarian awards from a grateful populace from all over the planet!

    • Missionary Kid

      Hubtard was no scientist. He flunked the only physics class he took, but he did hang out with science fiction writers who were engineers and scientists by trade. By the time of his death, scientists were well aware of the temperature of Venus and Mars.

      Since LRH was never wrong in clamworld, neither he nor anyone else saw fit to correct any of the many errors in science he made.

      His “gift” to mankind is all scientific bullshit, especially the e-meter, which people are hypnotized and bullied into accepting as some sort of miracle machine. There’s good reason that e-meters will never be used in criminology as a means for determining of fact: it can’t.

      • Vistaril

        This tape is an interesting exercise in spotting the science errors. First off, there’s the temperature issue, but how could Dr Hubbard have been up in the Van Allen Best to watch a sunrise? From that height, the Sun sits stationary in a black sky why the Earth revolves beneath. Next up . . . the atmosphere of Venus is carbondioxide and nitrogen, and not, as Dr Hubbard starts, methane. And so it goes on.

        • Missionary Kid

          Dr. Hubbard? Dr. Hubbard? Holy shit! The only way he’d be a doctor would be if they started to grant academic degrees to witch doctors for their knowledge of DNA. 😉

          I’d like to see DM go up into the Van Allen Belt sans space suit. On the other hand, if he wore one, I’d like to have him smoke in the suit as an anti-radiation measure. (I believe the oxygen level is quite high, but the pressure is low). Think about the result.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            and with a complimentary shot of PAC, Big Blue, Southern Wing, RPF. Dr Mo, Dr Howard?

            http://youtu.be/53KcqITIPlA

            • Missionary Kid

              Perfect. Loved the building.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          And on, and on….and on…

      • RMycroft

        He didn’t do too well with geography either.

        “So 8,200 years ago, they came down in the Himalayas, the upper headlands, up about, oh, I’d say about seventy-two miles northwest of Khyber Pass, and put a base in there”

        Obviously he had no idea where the Khyber Pass is in relation to the Himalayas.

        • Missionary Kid

          Oh, nooooo! You’re just filled with entheta. I happily declare you an SP!

          A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and LRH was real dangerous.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Yay.. All is right with the world when two of your superheroes are sharing a drink and battle plans on a Sunday evening in Spring.. Unfortunately, there will always be evil, self-serving sociopaths like lrh in the world.. It is comforting and Very reassuring to know that there will also always be good guys in the world..

    • aquaclara

      Because on random days, when we all wonder what you, Tony, will be pulling out of your hat next, you are off plotting more fun.
      Sugar Plum Fairy says this best, so I’m adding my votes to hers. ^^^^^^
      Looks like you both had a great time – thanks for sharing the photos! And yes, can we keep jumping for joy over Friday’s news? This is worth a month- or more- of joy and glee. Heh heh heh.
      Normally, I don’t like rain. But we are enjoying some wonderful April showers today.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        what sugar and aqua said, but sugah forgot to throw down her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!’s.

        • sugarplumfairy

          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =)

    • To be a fly on that wall.

    • Poison Ivy

      Jealous.

  • Oh, and don’t forget the “bodies in pawn” setup. The short version is that ‘they’ (whoever that is, Marcabians, etc.), control beings by keeping their original body ‘in pawn’, kept alive in a kind of stasis, so that they can send you off to pick up a body, do undercover work for them and when that body dies, you of course spring uncontrollably back to your captive body for another assignment. It is this kind of thing that made “The Matrix” resonate so strongly with scientologists.

  • BosonStark

    I’m sure that lecture is all very important data for beingness — not in this gulaxie, but in the next gulaxie over — if you’ve been “ice-cubed,” or “something of that sort.”

    Hopefully Kerry Kennedy will listen to it carefully, and then see her schedule become jammed packed for the next billion years, or something of that sort.

    • FistOfXenu

      Maybe she could sign a contract with the rest of humanity?

  • Insanely jealous that you got to hang out with Sweeney!!

  • Sherbet

    “Of all the nasty, mean and vicious implants that have ever been invented, this one is it. And has been going on for thousands of years. It’s the most complete memory wipeout system and the biggest bunch of lies that anybody ever had anything to do with,” Hubbard says.

    ’nuff said.

  • Ivan Mapother

    Here’s an honest and sincere question for former Scientologists: How long and how much indoctrination is done to new meat before they are allowed to listen to Ron’s lectures? Without some kind of conditioning, a normal person would say this guy is batshit crazy, put his wallet under lock and key and bolt for the nearest exit.

    • Spackle Motion

      I’m not sure there’s a real answer to your question because even SO (with very little actual instruction on the “tech”) get to listen to the lectures. Many of them were indoctrinated as young as 6 and do not have ability to decipher most of it.

      It’s almost a chicken/egg question, which reads to me as “how much wood can a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?”

    • DodoTheLaser

      Like everything else in scientology, there are intro, mid and advanced lectures.

      It’s all part of preconditioning.

      By the time one through intro stuff – lectures, courses, auditing and a love bombing, they are mentally pumped with enough mental juju and fascination with Hubbard’s ramblings on so many subjects (to illustrate some common sense points that now are his “discoveries” in the every field known to man).

      Hubbard really, really liked to talk A LOT. It can be a bit hypnotic, I suppose. That probably explains why not only young or less educated people fell for it.

      Elaborate trap comes to mind.

      Hope it answers your question, Ivan.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    first time ive heard the bunker referred to as an unfortunate, unforeseen circumstance!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Awesome isn’t it?

    • aquaclara

      Good one!
      She must have thought it was important because it was capitalized like this: HUMAN RIGHTS.
      Kerry Kennedy needs a better BS detector before she falls for every flyer that comes out in all caps.

      • Sherbet

        To test your theory, aqua, I think I’ll send Kerry Kennedy a flyer that says FUNDRAISER FOR SHERBET AND ALL HER NOBLE CAUSES! and see if it works.

        • aquaclara

          and make sure to put some buzz words in there, too.
          Sherbet’s Organization for SOCIAL JUSTICE AND NOBLE, IMPORTANT HUMAN CAUSES fundraiser!!!! Help bring more popcorn, cake and chocolate into the world.
          See what I did? I added chocolate, too. Yum.
          Now add some pictures with glowy halos around them, and pooof, you have yourself a cause!

          • Sherbet

            Excellent ideas, aquaclara. Will you head up my fundraiser? I’ll give you 30% of the gate, plus all the chocolate you can eat.

            • aquaclara

              maybe you need 12 different levels of assorted Gold Patronage Honoranimuses, and give out fake gold medals for each of them. All in excessively large letters, of course.
              Now you need a title. Maybe we stick the word “betterment” in there in there with Executive Director of blah, blah, blah, blah human betterment and noble social causes. Look, all the words can be put in there in any order. That’s fun.

            • Sherbet

              Faux Platinum Ignoramus for a $20,000 contribution to, um, whatever my CAUSE is! I’ll be in my office, working on the logo. I’m thinking something turquoise, blue, and gold — garish yet not even a bit tasteful, and an unabashed ripoff of somebody else’s logo. If this worked for cos and DM, it will work for THE GLOBAL NOBLE BETTERMENT INITIATIVE. Heck, why not make it a church? Kerry, get your wallet out. Here’s another fraud for you to support (or not).

  • John P.

    It is interesting that Kerry Kennedy chose the gentle “oops, something has come up, let’s reschedule in six months” way to get out of the PR train wreck of being associated with Scientology. On the one hand, she doesn’t have to worry about OSA getting after her if she tells them the real reason that she’s not attending now is that she is on to them and their sleazy, hypocritical tactics.

    But on the other hand, she’s about to be exposed to months of Scientology’s social graces in action. She doesn’t realize that they are like cockroaches — they’re not going away. In a week or so, they’ll probably start calling her office to find out if she has arranged her schedule yet and when she can appear. And if they do it anything like how they try to sell their “public” on classes, they will call approximately every 20 minutes. I see a trip to court to get a restraining order or two in her future.

    • aquaclara

      I like how the lovely de-invitation is accompanied by much gratuitous sucking-up to ensure that Kerry indeed reschedules for the fall. And of course, when that doesn’t work, many phone calls are sure to do the trick.

      • Sidney18511

        If somebody an post some email addys for Kennedy I would appreciate it. I would like to send a “thank you” to her people for doing their homework and backing out.
        It would be great to send her this LRH video.

      • Ze Moo

        If you ‘reschedule’ for 6 months or more, you ain’t showing up ever. Kerry been schooled …….

    • Ms. B. Haven

      I think you are on to something here Mr. P. These ‘salons’ are not for wealthy scientologist to hang around and discuss the dreadful state of human rights on the planet. These events are like ALL other events in scientology or scientology front groups, they are fundraisers. Since this fundraising opportunity has dried up, you can bet your ass that there will be pressure from someone/somewhere to make sure that there is a replacement event to keep the stats up.

      It’s ironic that this ‘human rights’ event was scheduled for May 1st, May Day, and in many parts of the world outside the US, International Workers Day. No offense to my capitalist leaning friends and overlords, but I am guessing most of those who would have attended this event might be the same ones who are taking advantage of the oppressed working classes of the world in some way or another. My bets are their clothing labels say something other than ‘union made’, ‘fair trade’, etc.

      • John P.

        I suspect the people who would have attended this event would fancy themselves capitalists, but are really not, either in terms of their abilities or in terms of their inclination. The usual dentists and chiropractors that seem to be disproportionately represented in Scientology own businesses, but they’re not really capitalists, since their “capital” is their time, which they use to generate revenue. And they’re not inclined to think like capitalists, since they are motivated to cut corners; true capitalists (think: Warren Buffett) know that building long-term value means you don’t cut corners in the short term.

        Regarding May Day and the oppressed working classes, smart capitalists realize that oppressing the masses is not a very good long-term strategy. Many “rich” people think that maximizing corporate profits over the short term is the way to wealth; it is true that does temporarily increase stock prices. But over the long term, the best way to generate a larger amount of more sustainable wealth is to increase disposable income for the middle class and working class. The middle class hasn’t really seen any gains in purchasing power in decades when you strip out the effects of cash they got from second mortgages during the housing bubble. Those are the people who buy stuff that companies make. I am not. I don’t buy any more toothpaste from Procter & Gamble than a truck driver in rural Louisiana. I do spend money but in a fairly odd way that only benefits certain companies, not the broad economy as a whole. So if you want to grow your economy and you want to create jobs, figure a way to get the middle lass and working class more disposable income. They’ll spend it. That is true for both customers within the US and other developed economies and in developing economies like India, Brazil, and China. That’s why the European experiment in austerity is causing such disastrous results like almost 27% unemployment in Spain, more than in the US in the depths of the Depression.

        Don’t tell any of my fellow capitalists; I am actually something of a liberal (not unquestioningly, but I heavily lean in that direction). Laying off 3 million Federal workers cuts disposable income in the US enough to affect companies we own. And not encouraging job growth via stimulus limits opportunities for others. With the Dow at an all-time high but few good prospects for long-term growth in the economy, you can understand why we’re short all kinds of things right now.

        • Ms. B. Haven

          I am hoping that you might be willing to venture to the frozen waste lands of the far north in the GC corporate jet to have a chat with my boss about augmenting my disposable income. (There are lots of hydro-carbon resources to research, so it could be considered a business trip).

          Not a word to your fellow capitalists about your political leanings. My lips are sealed. It is good to know though, that there are some fellow laissez-faire socialists out there keeping the world sane. Here’s to hoping that your success may benefit many.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          It is interesting that Miscavige is so consistently a bad businessman and good fascist. Instead of generating real “wealth” by paying people a living wage and allowing them to get proper rest and relaxation, thereby allowing them to be creative and productive, Miscavige wears them out until they collapse. Not only are they incapable of creativity, they are unable to recruit (who would join an organization when the recruiter is so screwed up and the recruiters are so exhausted and ill nourished they probably make no sense?). If Miscavige could turn members into soap and lampshades to make money, he would. He is completely unable to understand that cannibalization of his workforce means the destruction of the church. Narconon’s raid and probable demise is the logical conclusion when you have people willing to sell or steal anything in order to keep Miscavige off their backs for another five minutes. They will pester Kennedy because it is less painful to annoy her than annoy Miscavige.

          It is no coincidence that Miscavige demands that the most important workers (the Sea Org) have a daily caloric intake and nutrition on a par with a Nazi slave labor camp. To him, the individuals are fungible and literally worth less than a decent meal. There are no replacements, however, and the numbers are dwindling. There is such a fundamental fallacy in the way he operates, it is only a matter of time before the rot takes over everything. Also, there will be people going to jail, not if, when. The irony is that many people are probably hoping they go to jail. Eight hours sleep, 3 square meals, recreation and exercise- that’s more than most have had in decades.

    • Michael Barger

      I grinned from ear to ear reading Tony’s update on Kerry Kennedy postponing her appearance at Anne Archer’s Artists For Human Rights because last night I wrote an article and posted it on my blog The Unfolding Catastrophe;

      Kerry Kennedy All Set To Legitimize Scientology Human Rights Abuses on May 1

      http://theunfoldingcatastrophe.blogspot.com/2013/04/kerry-kennedy-all-set-to-legitimize.html

      “According to the website of the Robert F. Kennedy Center For Justice and Human Rights Kerry Kennedy’s mantra is: Speak Truth To Power.

      Kennedy ought never to have accepted Anne Archer’s invitation, and should probably cancel her appearance even now.

      If she is serious about Speaking Truth To Power she will take the opportunity on May 1 to call Anne Archer and other Scientology celebrities like Tom Cruise to acknowledge human rights abuses in the Church of Scientology and bring pressure to end them.”

      Time for an update 🙂

      And you are right. Kerry Kennedy is going to handled by hounding every 20 minutes. Restraining orders would be awesome.

    • Bob

      John P. it won’t be quite that bad. I know you are half joking. But it will be just on the verge of too much. What would be great now is to pour on the coals with more re-inforcement of her decision to postpone by more exposure regarding the group for what it is, a front group for the church. Some of the other commenters did the research and should be commended for their effective work in contacting Kerry. Well done!

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Kerry Kennedy’s rejection is not about Scientology; it’s about the fact that Anne Archer’s house is a Beverly Hills dump that is too downstat for a Kennedy.

      We’ve been to Anne and Terry’s place and frankly it smells like two old people live there. Terry quietly passed gas the entire evening we were there and Anne incessantly lost her train of thought and could not finish her sentences.

      However. we in RTC are never without a Plan B.

      Accordingly, we purchased Larry Hagman’s hilltop mansion in Ojai for $5,000,000 as an alternate location to host the Artists for Human Rights PR event.

      We in RTC are also having OSA purchase Kerry Kennedy’s phone records to ensure that this was a genuine need to reschedule and that she was not blowing us off thanks to all of you SP’s putting entheta on her lines.

      Once we find out why Kerry really cancelled, we will create a Battle Plan (BP) to get her to come to Ojai.

      We will dump Anne and Terry in favor of our bigger names. And yes, this will include calling Kerry Kennedy every ten minutes if needed.

      Our plan calls for our best people to “accidentally” run into Kerry Kennedy at Starbucks, the dry cleaners, tennis tournaments, the Prius Owners Society and so on. Eva Longoria, Elizabeth Moss, and Leah Rimini fit the bill.

      We can have Eva Longoria bump into Kerry at Starbucks and say, “Oh hi Kerry! The event has been moved! We’re meeting up at Larry Hagman’s $5,000.000 mansion in Ojai. Do you want me to have John Travolta fly you out to L.A. in his personal jet?”

      To which Kerry would reply, “Oh so its canceled at that awful Beverly Hills slum that Anne and Terry call a mansion?”

      Eva chuckles, “Yes! They really are hideous old people and their house is awful!”

      Kerry: “Well that’s a big relief! I’ll be there in Ojai!”

    • DodoTheLaser

      VIP’s are “handled” differently in Scioland. I bet Anne is the only Kerry’s “handler”.
      She will give her a call or two in the next 6 month, Kerry will come up with another
      excuse and the whole thing will go into oblivion. Or so I wish. But I’m pretty sure.

  • Ze Moo

    Lrooon mentioned Niagara Falls, slowly I turn……

    David Love has a nice Tom Cruise, John Travolta essay at examiner

    http://www.examiner.com/article/john-travolta-and-tom-cruise-silent-about-scientology-s-narconon

    An excellent essay on sex abuse in clamatology. Again from David Love.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/david-miscavige-s-scientology-cover-up-protects-pedophiles?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next

    • Sherbet

      Good articles from David Love. Thanks for the links, Ze.

    • Missionary Kid

      My screen was smoking when I read the sex abuse article. It’s the same tack that the Catholic Church took with their sex abuse scandals: the organization is more important than any individual. Again, it’s “the greater good” taken to excess by unethical people.

      The person Love left out of his essay about Cruise and Travolta was Kirstie. I’d like to hear her open up her big mouth so she can do a foot-plant.

      • Midwest Mom

        I’ve been extremely vocal in my parish and diocese about different issues, particularly about the sex abuse scandal, and have done so freely and without fear and retribution from my church. The only people in my parish who ever had a problem with what I have said or done were the people who didn’t want their misdeeds or egos to be challenged, but I can live with that, especially since they are no longer allowed to continue with their shenanigans. I was never followed, harassed, or disconnected from my family and friends, either.

        Members of the Co$ are afraid to speak out and to voice their opinions and concerns about their “church’s” beliefs, practices, and the abuses that have gone on and still continue in their organization. It’s more like a communist regime than a religion.

        I hope that more people find the strength to come forward to speak out, so that the Co$ is no longer in any position of power over anyone else’s freedoms and their abilities to interact with others and with seeking information from other sources. Once that mental hold is removed, the chains can be broken and the blinders can be thrown away.

        • Missionary Kid

          Lucas enumerates the crap that NN and Co$ are spewing about him because he chose to speak up You’ve probably already heard it, but it really illustrates the difference between the CC and Co$::
          http://www.haveyoutoldall.com/video-response-scientologynarconon-corporation/

          LRH was indeed one sick bastard. His only goal was to gain power and money on the backs of followers.

          Co$ is filled with 1984 reinterpretations of words. Ethical means screw everybody else. Save the World means screw you.

          The CC made the mistake of trying to protect the organization instead of the parishioners, and they have paid for it. They have also been making amends.

          The big difference between Co$ is Co$’s institutional evil. The CC has at least been willing to discuss problems and let the faithful speak out about problems.

          Source in Co$ is never wrong, even when he’s wrong.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            No, MK. “discussion” has never Ever been allowed. Hubbard was a Freak of Nature in his Time. Scientology has continued because of sociopaths and psychopaths and criminals who zeroed in on the opportune stench of profits over people and stepped into an international network that needed nothing but slogans and celebrities like Tom Cruise and John Travolta to keep the golden goose laying eggs. Staff who get hired to harvest are innocent until proven. Lucas and Eric are the exception.

            • Missionary Kid

              The place where I meant to have the term “discussion” refer to iw the Catholic Church (CC). I agree that there’s never been discussion allowed in Co$.

              Eric and Lucas are indeed two of the few brave souls who have integrity. They’re flowers that have pushed their way out of the sewage and crap of LRH.

            • Midwest Mom

              I agree. “Brave” is the perfect word to describe them!

            • Observer

              And don’t forget the enablers: celebrity-worshiping sheeple who just KNOW Tom Cruise would NEVER be involved in anything bad, and naive ostriches who, though we have all seen the photos from Auschwitz, don’t believe human beings are capable of LRH- and DM-level atrocity.

            • Bella Legosi

              oh you mean THIS guy? Oh shit just look at him. YOU CAN TRUST IN HIM! Whole truth!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You mentioned “The only people in my parish who ever had a problem with what I have
          said or done were the people who didn’t want their misdeeds or egos to
          be challenge”.

          You see, right there you have evidenced the fact that you are an Earthling with extra ordinary perception (you’ve snuck into the Super Power’s oiliness booth, haven’t you?).

          I’ve gotten to an age where I realize that Mars research Billions$ needs to be transferred to Earthling’s Brain Research funding. This might be too simplistic, but honestly, it’s just the 1% on Wall Street or the 5% in Crazy Town that seem to be causing 98% of the problems for the rest of us, who are kind, compassionate, happy, productive, curious, and dancing in the street.

          http://youtu.be/CdvITn5cAVc

          • Midwest Mom

            Thanks Jacuzzi Girl. You are forgiven for calling me evil because of my baking! 😉

            I always appreciate the opportunity to dance, especially when my friends are dancing with me. (wink-wink)

    • Great articles by David!

      Andrew

    • sugarplumfairy

      pedophilia changes the game.. I hope this article gets wider coverage..

  • I’m taking it that you did not “score” at the Stonewall Inn. 😉

    • BosonStark

      Ever since the Stonewall became “historic,” it’s been a popular spot for heterosexual mandates.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Is that Ebner behind those dark glasses?

  • It’s pretty obvious to me that anyone attending a Hubbard lecture had to check their bullshit-detector at the door.

    • RMycroft

      It was for their own safety. It would have done to have them explode or catch fire in a crowded room.

  • I can’t remember going to Mars or Venus but it was the kind of night…

    • sugarplumfairy

      Yay, Sweeney!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Midwest Mom

        I hope our British Adonis (Mr. Sweeney) brought body guards with him. He’s sure to be mobbed by love-struck American admirers wherever he goes. It’s not easy being Sweeney!

    • Sherbet

      …which gives credence to lrh’s assertion that memory-erasing takes place at both locations (Two locations! No waiting!)

      • FistOfXenu

        Makes me think of when suits bragged they came with 2 pairs of pants. The difference is when you picked up the suit there really were 2 pairs of pants. Liar Ron said he saw 2 planets with implant stations he was talking complete trash. And people are still punished for calling Source out for lying. Imagine somebody reading and hearing LRH talk about all these things he claimed about his exploration of the guh-lax-y. Imagine them telling their auditor “I have a problem with LRH. I think he lied about a load of stuff because everything astronauts and scientists have checked so far proves he didn’t know what he was talking about”. Can you imagine the ethics storm around the poor guy?

        • Sherbet

          So instead of admitting their suspicion, they would internalize their doubts, believe there was something wrong with themselves, because Source is NEVER wrong…and the cycle continues. I’m wrong, I need more auditing, I need more scn. What a trap.

    • hogarthian

      I’m very jealous that you got to get drunk with Ortega!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Ever in Florida…my husband and I would be downright floating like a needle to host a party in your honor. you can even bring other bitters with you, even foreigners from New York.

      • hogarthian

        Can we all come?… ‘cos that would be a gathering that really would be worth coughing up for.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Are you kidding? Of course. Also, I hear a certain other bitter journalist who I won’t name (Mark) has landed this year in Florida. If he joined in…Oh god, then I’d have to hire security. What the hell, I’d do it! But only if Bury will agree to bar tend. I don’t think even vodka would mix well with my veggie smoothies. Also, I’d rent out a humongous outdoor screen for the zen garden to show Anon videos featuring said bitter journalists, and so much more. It’s been a while since I threw a real zinger. Have to be soon, tho, before it gets too hot, or the Super Power opens! hahahaha

          • BuryTheNuts2

            BTN is at your service and makes a mean blue kamikaze.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              cool

            • John P.

              With BTN behind the bar, how could I help but pack a bunch of supermodels onto the jet and send them down to serve as cocktail waitresses?

            • Midwest Mom

              You can be a sport and insist on taking care of the cost of the alcoholic beverages and arranging for them to be transported to the shindig. I will bring some baked goods, of course, and will also provide some entertainment by singing a medley of the greatest hits of The Spinners.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Carbs? You are Evil, MM. But if you include The Spinner’s sound and light show crew, I will lay out a red carpet for your entrance. No, really!

            • Midwest Mom

              Okay…okay..I’ll set up a fondue bar. I’ll need J.P. to bring some kirsch and stout to work my magic. I’ll even provide some yodelling, free of charge, my gift to you.

              My sound and light crew consists of a Lite-Brite set, a portable strobe light that I made in my 7th grade Industrial Arts class, and a Mr. Microphone from Ronco.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You, sir, are a gentleman.

            • Exterrier

              Supermodels in Commodore’s Messenger uniforms as hatcheckers and cocktail waitresses? I’m in! Even if they scream obscenities while delivering my martini. Might be a submissive clientele for such treatment. Maybe some Freezoners who miss the abuse a little.

          • hogarthian

            Well… if you’re willing to hire a lush to do your bar tending (BTN)… then I (with my anger management issues and passive aggressive underpinnings) am a shoe-in for security, I’d say? 😉

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Hired.

    • California

      Can’t wait until you come to the west coast….. your kind of place, as well.

      • hogarthian

        Back off and form an orderly queue Cal (it’s a British thaaang). I’ve invited Sweeney to deliver his Sci talk at my Uni. He replied that he’d love to but, as it’s ‘interactive’ (he asks members of the audience to play the lead parts), it’s better held in an establishment that’s licensed to sell alcohol. Which only made me love him more.

        • California

          He will fit right in out here……….

    • Midwest Mom

      You are such a tease, Mr. Sweeney, and that goes for Tony, as well. We need facts, my friend. Did you discuss your plans for a Cirque du Soleil show in Las Vegas based on your Sci Fighting experiences? Were you both imbibing Sweeney Martini’s? Was there any hip hop dancing involved in your evening frivolity?

      I have a feeling that neither one of you fully remembers everything from your evening together. I’m glad you both had fun and I think it is adorable that you two are both up for the part of the Dos Equis spokesmachohombre and even went to the auditions together. Good luck and stay thirsty, my friend!

    • richelieu jr

      i knew those $cilons were right when the said what a drunk you were and you liked to hang around in gay bars, Sweeney!
      Now I suppose I’ll have to admit I was wrong and re-enlist in the SeaOrg…

      • Dude, not even funny in jest. *shiver*

        • richelieu jr

          Nah, I’m just jealous not to have been invited!

          Sent from my iPad

          • Me too. Plus, once again, Tony is a horrible tease.

  • 1subgenius

    The PBS documentary on Stonewall, must viewing:

    http://video.pbs.org/video/1889649613/

  • BosonStark

    Kerry Kennedy will reschedule with Anne Archer, only if Anne can make it on September 31, on Venus.

    • Sherbet

      In the meantime, Archer will just have to pop the cocktail wienies and shrimp puffs into the freezer until said date.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Winner! Sorry, JohnP, for once u got it wrong. That’s right…Tom Cruise and John Travolta will be inviting themselves over very soon to discuss how much $$$$$ she woulf like for her charities. This is how it is done.

        • Sherbet

          I’m not sure TC or JT are too willing these days to make appearances on behalf of cos, although, you’re right, THDNE — they’ll keep writing checks to further the cause. KSW!!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            who said they would rep COS? That would be considered rude and crude in that world. The art of schmoozing in The One Percent Society has many rules and dance steps. I Am saying Tom would go as the frozen shrimp and John, the cocktail weenie, of course.

            • Sherbet

              LOL!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              There’s only one other possibility, Sherb. As long as Tommy Davis continues to assert he is a Loyal True Believer, he will need to come up with annual sacrifices to lay at the alter of the Mad Midget.

              I’m picturing Tommy descending on Kerry’s kitchen with his Squirrel Buster group of Grade B WannaBe “celebs” and demanding to know What Are Your Crimes, Kerry?!

            • Sherbet

              If Tommy Davis is coming, he can be the crab surprise.

              Kerry’s crime is that she may have wised up to the con and is oh, so gingerly, finessing herself out of the picture to save face.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              heh

            • Sidney18511

              sherb….I think your right. Kerry received enough emails to cause someone working for her to take a little look-see and concluded that something hinky is happening with this group. They did the politically correct thing and wedged her arse out of the commitment.
              Let’s hope that’s the story. And to everyone who sent out emails to Kennedy….pat yourselves on the back. You done good.

      • hogarthian

        lol!

  • hogarthian

    I’m beyond happy that someone took notice of the barrage of emails Ms Kennedy received from us all. I’m not entirely convinced that the words “I’m really looking forward to being with you all (…) when it’s rescheduled”… are hers though?

    • Spackle Motion

      She’s using polite form, but we should definitely keep our eyes out on this one.

  • RMycroft

    Doesn’t sound racist at all:

    “So look at what we got here. We’re going along our own way. The first thing we ought to do is give some attention to preventing further implantations of Scientologists. I’ve already given you a program by which this can be done. Your next action on the thing is dispose of them. And I can see tomorrow, I can see tomorrow — the Chinee, he appear on landing stage to go through his false death and he hear words, thought-wave as follows: “Be on Earth. Support your local Scientologist. There is no further reason to upset you this time, you’ve been a good boy.” And show him an “S” and double triangle, and there he goes.”

    • hogarthian

      I need to take your word for it….. as I have absolutely no ****ing idea what the above says, much less means.

    • Observer

      Speaking of the S-double-triangle symbol, I have always found it to be ugly and awkward. Very aesthetically unappealing.

  • i must admit that after eight years of scientology my thetan did indeed feel like it had been run over by a train.

  • Real Shellback

    This kind of thing always amuses me. Compare the emblems from a 1966 episode of Star Trek which featured a mental institution in space; and the Artists for human rights emblem. I’m sure nobody will notice!

    • Observer

      Nice!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Great catch!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You mean, like the Sea Org symbol?

      [IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/34ngwt5.jpg[/IMG]

      • dbloch7986

        Actually the Sea Org symbol is based on the Marcabian Confederacy Symbol. Come on now.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Derek, respect your elders. Either that, or ignore us. Carry on, MarcO!

          • Missionary Kid

            Causing trouble again, huh? ‘-+

        • DodoTheLaser

          Or the state of Texas.

        • One historical snippet that needs verifying, I’m reminded by this discussion above, is that Hubbard used the word “Marcab” only date coincident with a popular book that came out in the early 1960s, called the “Interrupted Journey” that book I saw on my wife’s successor’s bookshelf, and my wife had passed it on to Richard Tinklenberg who took over the Sea Org Reserves Chief position, when my wife was Commodore’s Staff Aide for Division 3.

          What that means is this book had been kicking around in the “Aides” office for some years, and this was 1979.

          Roy Wallis notes and placed, and later Melton in one of his editions of his American Religions Encyclopedia even placed also Scientology into the UFO religions category, for the huge amount of these types of Hubbard public domain Scientology space opera is “real” statements.

          It’s kind of science fiction gnosticism transmigration of souls Hinduism.

          “Interrupted Journey” is worth reading, and I’m going to someday sort out whether that book came out prior to Hubbard’s first mention of the word Marcab in Scienotlogy history.

          My guess is the 1961 “Interrupted Journey” and the alien space men abduction stuff, played from the culture’s UFO peole’s imagination, right into the imaginations of the 1950s era Scientologists who ran the Dianetics “earlier similar” Hubbard commands into their space opera made up past lives.

          And Marcab is an important factor in the alien abduction book I mentioned. the space ship captain in question lets the human lady look at the space ship’s star maps, and later what triggers her to remember the normally wiped out memory that the aliens did of her, was this lady months lady looks and sees innocently a New York Times article that just happens to have a particular illustration showing a number of real existing stars in the galxy. And it just so happens that one of the stars in the New York Ties illustration is Marcab, an actual star.

          My guess, hunch, for years, from the moment I read this book in my wife’s office, when she was CS-3, is that the Marcab filtered into Scienotlogy, from that book’s borrowed New York Times illustration.

          I plan to someday sort that one out, and see if Hubbard’s use of Marcab, and his followers’ use of Marcab, and when whichever used it first, this book, or Hubbard, and do a tiny paper on it.

      • Missionary Kid

        The emblem always reminds me of what I’d imagine you’d see on a Russian naval officer’s cap.

      • Captain Howdy

        Margery Wakefield writes in “The Road To Xenu” about how they were allowed and encouraged to watch Star Trek in the mess hall. They would laugh about how the “wogs” didn’t understand what they were watching were real whole track memories.

        • Real Shellback

          I guess we are even in a way, I’m amused by adults who don’t have a well defined understanding of fiction and non-fiction.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          It really was like that long ago, far away, for us sci fi fans (okay, we would also be diagnosed today with somethng other than sci fi fan). We were on a Freaking Flying Mission of Great Humanitarian and Gulaxie Planetary expeditions. I wish I still had my 3rd Class Missionaire lanyards and orders. Even us musicians and songwriters were believers of being on a Mission, I tell ‘ya. Crazy is So wasted on the youth!

  • California
    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Lucas Catton is the voice of reason, calm, balanced, sincere and sane. Naturally, scientology management Must destroy such a creature. The lengths that scientology has gone to already to do just that (after just a few weeks of airing) deserves a full follow up segment on NBC’s Rock Center. Then, Rock Center should hire this guy. I would tune in to listen to Anything he has to say. Just a footnote: Lucas has more than enough evidence to Sue their asses all the way to England, right JohnS?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_90f2tmMuXs&feature=share&list=UUIQ1XmdqG5aYVsAIKjbKQhA

      • hogarthian

        I agree, and…. as I’ve said before, he’s very easy on the eye, which is just lovely. Is that sexist?

        • Sidney18511

          He is very easy on BOTH my eyes.
          I hope that they don’t try to get to him through his relationship with his daughter. That is right up the COS alley.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          No, that’s a fact!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I know, right? And I have only about 2 sex hormones left in my old carberator, and yet even I noticed! You know, Any TV show should take notice of this one. He is a Total Package, right Poison Ivy?

      • Captain Howdy

        YouTube shuts down “spoof” sites fairly quickly if you complain.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Luke is good looking, honest and smart indeed. So is Eric Tenorio (cookies). And a great sense of humor! Never met them two great guys IRL, just here and on ESMB, but would buy them a beer or two or three, even in a gay club, as long as they serve Sam Adams’ Boston Lager there.

    • Missionary Kid

      Luke is well spoken, and I listened to all 4 of the videos. My respect for the man grows every time I hear him speak or read what he’s written. He is, indeed, a truth teller.

  • richelieu jr

    What a coincidence (??!!)! I was just reading this old slate piece this morning, which os not bad for a journalist who presumably isn’t as obsessed by the subject as most of us:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2008/08/the_afterlife_for_scientologists.html

  • richelieu jr

    “Oh, THAT Van Allen belt! I thought you were talking about Steve Van Allen, and he’s one hot tamalé!”

    • Missionary Kid

      Obviously, that’s a tribute to Steve Allen, because you put that the way he would have. Steve was great. Shmock! shmock!

  • richelieu jr

    Where do you go to get the implant that makes you forget your second wife?

    Mine’s been bugging me….

    • Missionary Kid

      The wife or the implant?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Ask L.Ron…

    • Midwest Mom

      It’s simple. You never had a second wife.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Lol. You just passed the secret test. You are now dubbed an Honorary Ex.

      • richelieu jr

        Oh that’s right. You have to have a first wife, first…

      • Sidney18511

        You know, the correct answer to that by LRH should of been “My second wife, why Mary Sue is my second wife”

        • Thank you! That’s what I think every time I see that. The man was a compulsive liar and couldn’t even figure that part out.

          • RMycroft

            He gives the impression of being stoned to the gills in that interview.

          • Observer

            A compulsive liar and a big fat idiot.

            • True facts. (Truer than anything that ever came out of his mouth, that’s for sure.)

    • hogarthian

      With apologies to MWM, BTN and MK:

      Where is the implant that makes you forget your second wife?
      Ask L Ron…
      he thinks you never had one.
      It’s simple,
      look at Tom.
      All his are gone.

      I think my inspired use of punctuation is EVERYTHING!

      • FistOfXenu

        So you’ll have to reissue a new corrected version after we all buy the original, right?

  • villagedianne

    I figure you went to the Stonewall Inn so you wouldn’t have the bother of being hit on by beautiful women all night.

    • And they went as a couple so they wouldn’t have the bother of being hit on by handsome guys all night.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      How much did Sweeny sway/pay you to say that? lol

  • richelieu jr

    Two- Super-manly, and not at all homosexual, bonded in a totally not gay way at the Old Stonewall (no homo) In (as in ‘in and out’, which both of them only like with the ladies! Seriously!) where they danced ‘not together, never that, and with real females (seriously, pictures were taken, but then lost in a totally manly brawl whilst they were saving the virtue of a young lady) to the strains of The Village People (but NOT to ‘In the Navy’, that song is totally gay, the other one).

    From there our two strapping, newly befriended men who have never even kissed (not even on the cheek) drank 100% heterosexual manly US Beer, whilst punching each other in their surprisingly muscular (“Do you work out? Seriously, man, no homo, but you look really good!) arms and checking out the gazongas on the women there (or would have, had their been any, most likely, before generously tipping their barman and leaving (not together, to go home to their totally hot women…)

    From their it was only a short flight to Connecticut where they were married. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that!) 😉

    Sorry guys, methinks the gentlemen doth protest to much! 😉

    • LOL!

    • FistOfXenu

      Thanks Bishop! This cracked me up. I thought I was the only one here thinking Why make such a big deal of it? Most of us don’t care anyways, and the $ci-trolls will lie about it no matter what you say.

      Tony, you should’ve been more worried about the photos. Reminded me of the super-manly and not at all homosexual, bonding in a totally not gay way picture of the 2 Big Beanz in their totally not-leather-boys biker leathers perched on their 100% heterosexual custom motorbikes.

      And still, nobody in gives a shit. Well done guys. One of these days, straights will be at home in gay bars without either straights or gays reading into it. Maybe you guys’ve started a fashion for breaking down the “gay barrier”. Look for all those 100% not-gay WWF wrestlers to start hanging out in Stonewall. You heard it here 1st.

      • hogarthian

        Errrrrrr….. maybe it’s just me, but I don’t detect anything about their pics that makes me think they’re uncomfortable? I think it’s hilarious, and fascinating, that we still do that ‘gay’ thing. I forgive myself for it (because I’m guilty of it) by putting it down to a ‘generational’ thing. However, I’d be fascinated to be able to look into the future and see at what point we stop noticing. In the mean time, I’m happy to be involved, because it makes my gay friends laugh. 😉

        • FistOfXenu

          Uncomfortable in the pictures? Not saying that. Just agreeing with richelieu that all the “2 very heterosexual males” explanation was a bit much. The world is 20 yrs past that unless you’re in some kind of fundie cult.

      • richelieu jr

        Cardinal will do, thanks!

        I bet they had a lot of fans though.. Kind of a bear thing going on there, methinks…
        Sent from my iPad

        • FistOfXenu

          Sorry. All those pointy hats look alike to me.

          • richelieu jr

            They’re the only kind that fit over our pointy heads!

    • hogarthian

      I’m sure the gay community could find lots in the above to take issue with. However, I can find only one… “manly US beer”? hmmnnn…. I think you’ll find that there isn’t one. Had they been drinking ‘Newcastle Brown Ale’ though….

      • Captain Howdy

        Generally speaking U.S beers/malt liquors/ales have a higher alcohol content than their U.K equivalents. And “Old Nick” is my favorite U.K beverage

        http://www.csulb.edu/~parayner/Alcohol.html

      • Truthiwant

        In Scotland, no man with any self esteem would think of ordering a ‘half pint’. That’s for the lasses.

        No, a real man orders a ‘pint of Heavy and a chaser’ and carries on until he’s thrown out at closing time.

        My Father used to be a doctor in a hospital in Glasgow. When on duty on New Years Eve, he said that the morning after, the hospital resembled the wounded soldiers scene at the railway station in ‘Gone With The Wind.’

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Is that like an American Boilermaker?

          • Truthiwant

            A shot and a beer. Are you on?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Sure, but I’ll fall asleep long before the party is over. Please turn down the hot tub temp and turn off the lights when you leave. OK, tks.

        • Captain Howdy

          Yea, I heard Glasgow was a “hard’ place. Alex Harvey RIP

    • Sidney18511

      A bromance is a beautiful thing. Please don’t tarnish it.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Word. I got a good chuckle out of it though. 🙂

    • Captain Howdy

      I’ve been to quite a few gay bars back in S.F (they had the best speed) and I was never bothered once. They can tell soon as you walk through the door.

      • FistOfXenu

        Exactly. And my gay friends say they try not to be as obnoxious to us as some of us are to them when they walk into a straight bar. It’s live and let live.

      • richelieu jr

        Yeah, some towns have just great gay scenes and lots of cool places to just hang out. Paris, unfortunately, is a bit lame on this, and I always have to apologize to my gay friends as the unofficial Parisian Ambassador of Love…

        And I agree, Gay bars were a great source for clean crystal, for sure…

        • Captain Howdy

          Thing is, I heard crystal was popular in the gay scene for sexual reasons, but when I did the stuff I couldn’t an erection to save my life. They must have super powers. Speed was the drug du jour in the CA. punk scene , then everybody got fried and switched to downtown.

          • richelieu jr

            Apologies to those of you not interested in sex, drugs and rick n’ roll (at east mine)
            Dunno Cap’n, I’d get hard for days…. Different strokes, I guess… Didn’t know you wer ein the LA punk scene… I was in the hardcore scene a bit, firs tin Colorado as a teenager, then i Paris and int he LA Rock scene in the early 90s before returning to Europe definitively and trying to make my European band work (sans success) in 1993.
            What did you do, where’d you live? Follow any bands? Play in any?
            I had friends int he Zeros (the original ones), and in the Germs, though no close ones.. My best friend played in the Bratz if you know them…

            • Captain Howdy

              I was in the S.F punk scene for as long as it lasted which to me was ’76 till ’83 (sorry Green Day,Rancid). I was in 4 bands from 1980-1988. Best S.F band was Flipper not the D.K’s. I did demos for all the bands but the only thing that remains is a song “Shrunken Heads” on a Maximum Rock and Roll compilation. I saw the Zeros numerous times and do you mean the Hollywood Bratz?

            • richelieu jr

              Yup.
              I used to go see Flipper all the time when I was younger (well, not all the time- When they came thru town!)..

              On the other hand, I have played with East Bay Ray, Jello (less) and especially Klaus (none of them recenrly, unfortunately), and it was real thrill, though I only ever say the DKs in concert once.

              I would be a kid to you, because by the time punk got to Denver and I was playing (’82) I think it was pretty much spent everywhere else (certainly Europe, but even NYC and LA and SF were on the wane. I do love those compilations of LA? SF and NYC Punk that came out in the early 90s…

              Green Day’s OK, for what it is.. Rancid just sounds like what I’ve already heard for years, but whatever; I admit I’ve never followed the new stuff,and I’ pretty much deaf now any ways…..

            • Captain Howdy

              Ha Ha I’ve got tinnitus in the left ear pretty bad. First show I ever did live was with the DK’s headlining in 1980 in Cotati CA..and Jello was really nice giving me singing advice and latter on said really good things about our band in the local mags. Lots of people in Frisco really disliked him though.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              My hubby is like “Wot? Wot U say? Wot hearing problem?” He’s french/italian, so, you know, there’s no ‘splainin’.

            • Captain Howdy

              My wife told I was gonna f-up my hearing if I don’t stop listening to music so loud on the headphones. I wish i had listened (even though I still do it!). hey “Live Fast Die Young”

              PLAY LOUDEST

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FdwIyGfOjM

            • Bella Legosi

              WHAT???? >D

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              you’ll have to do better than that, Cap. I had 8′ Kurzweill’s in my little old livingroom up until a few years ago. My feet might be as flat as yours, but my hearing is still like an eagle’s. I’m a little hoarse, though, from screaming at all those sound men to turn it the **ck down!

            • richelieu jr

              Well, i have tinnitus n both ears, but am totally deaf (for another reason entirely) in my left ear, and have severe hearing loss in the right (that’s the rock n’ roll without ear protection– You know what I’ talking about)…
              I like Jello too, and I’ve seen him be really cool, but he can be pretty dark and moody at times, and my friend (who is closer to them than I am, she lived with the band on and off for while, can’t stand him (thinks he’s too ‘dark’, whatever that means)…
              I’ really glad to hear he was so cool with you guys. The community was way too small for people to be pissing on each other, that’s for sure… I am glad I got out before the whole ‘spit on the band’ thing his stateside… What a drag..That and Nazi Punks (Jello had it right on them, for sure.)

            • Captain Howdy

              Drugs, political correctness and the whole Huntington Beach suburban skate “lets beat up other punks” attitude killed the CA punk scene.

            • Bella Legosi

              Huntington Beach huh? I used to be a psudo caregiver who used to be a cop there back in the 70’s. They really liked to give those cops the good drugs back in the day.

            • richelieu jr

              Yeah, I think things fell apart in similar ways all over…
              It was an amazing time, and I don’t think it’s anything you can really explain to anyone who wasn’t there, wasn’t a part of it…

            • Captain Howdy

              “It was an amazing time, and I don’t think it’s anything you can really explain to anyone who wasn’t there”

              Exactly, and as much as it’s cost me in someways, I feel blessed for the experience.

              “I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.”

            • Bella Legosi
            • Captain Howdy

              “That’s the spirit!”

              Is it any wonder that Anne Rice’s choice to play Lestat was Rutger Hauer?

            • Bella Legosi

              There is some good references to Blade Runner in Vampire Lestat. So yes! But, just to show you how much of a dork I can get with Anne, Lestat’s appearance and demeanor was really inspired by her husband! 😛

            • Captain Howdy

              “Interview ” came out in the 70’s and wasn’t made into a movie until 20 years later and Anne Rice quite vocally stated that Hauer was her first and only choice to be Lestat. And btw I think Rice sucks except for “Interview”.

            • Bella Legosi

              She does have a way of explicitly detailing what an antique chair looks like. I definitely see your point. Would there have been Twilight had it not been for Anne Rice? Prolly, but she did help that twit along with hormonal teenage girl readers. I was one myself. Kinda why I think having no life and a pair of ovaries is damn near standard for Rice fans.

            • richelieu jr

              Yeah.. Blade Runner rocks…

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Cap! I thought I had saved your stuff…but no. got a link?

            • Captain Howdy

              Just go to youtube and look for Ghost Dance-Shrunken Heads. I’m not going to upload myself.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks! Got it! I think my first review might have been snarky. Q: Rest of Ghost Dance yours too?

            • Captain Howdy

              No just that one but I wished I had copyrighted the name so i could have shook down the other 2 bands that came after us.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              tks. I still couldn’t review a punk Or a rap, but I can always feel music, even when blinded by the light, or energy. Also, Prince ofPayola was still rampant those days, no?

            • Captain Howdy

              “I think my first review might have been snarky.”

              No that’s not it at all.

            • Observer

              “Apologies to those of you not interested in sex, drugs and rick n’ roll …” Is this some kind of crafty Gallic attempt at a rickroll?

      • ParticleMom

        Back in my college days I often went to gay bars/clubs (with gay friends.) It was nice not having to worry about getting hit on.

    • John P.

      I think there is a far less overtone-laden explanation for their choice of venue. Journalists, especially when not on the expense account, are focused on value-for-money in procuring drinks, given the amount that they consume in a single drinking session. In other words, they’re cheap bastards looking for cheap beer in an expensive town.

      It turns out that the Stonewall offers $3 beers and free hot dogs on Sunday nights during their 4-10pm Happy Hour. That’s a tough offer to beat in this town; I’ve spent more for a Dos Equis in a hole-in-the-wall place in Spanish Harlem to wash down their killer chilaquiles. No way will you beat $3 bottled beers anywhere south of 110th St.

      The fact that Sunday night is also “Bear Night,” where bearded gentlemen of a certain age are especially welcome, is probably mere coincidence, and I would caution against reading too much into it. As we in Global Capitalism HQ often remind each other, follow the money first; that’ll usually answer the question.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        JohnP, you are an Ideal Bunkerette.

  • Spackle Motion

    The Kennedy “postponement” gave me a great laugh this morning. I really hope that someone on her end finally did some research.

    • Captain Howdy

      They went to the Sweeney video and saw Anne and decided “Yep..definitely looks crazy”

  • Captain Howdy

    I understand that scientologoloists don’t believe in reincarnation, but past lives instead, but they do believe in karma, right? So it stands to reason if they lead good lives they will pull in less bad stuff in their next life, right?

    And the part were Hubbard talks about implanted thetans being dumped off the coast of California is pretty similar to what Mormons believe also. I still think Joseph Smith and LDS were Hubbard’s main inspiration..

    • Truthiwant

      Do you mean LDS or LSD!!

      • FistOfXenu

        Why “or”?

        • Truthiwant

          and

    • No, not Karma per se.

      What passes for or stands in for karma is “overts and withholds”. Fundamentally, anyone’s problem is what they have done in the past that was harmful. In order to prevent oneself from doing further harm, one reduces their own power. After trillions of years, a once powerful being

      • Captain Howdy

        Thanks for that simple yet concise explanation.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        That’s how it used to be, Michael. Then Miscavige created his As The Screw Turns model, in the mid 80’s, and most fled, knowing deep down that we OT’s were ominous, ethical, and didn’t need no stinkin’ karma Or $8,000/Hour Sec checks or Constant $$$$ Donations to Prove our Worthiness and OTness. When I think of how embarrassed I am to have been involved, it helps me to remember there are people today that are still involved in 2013 and therefore far more cringe worthy.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Where to begin…? The Mormon doctrine of Eternal Progression bears scant resemblance to CoS cosmology. While Mormons believe we are all immortal, they believe we all go through a specific series of steps: disembodied intelligence, spirit child, physical being, and finally resurrection in an immortal body in one of three states (Celestial Glory/Godhead, Terrestrial Glory, or Telestial Glory). That’s all. Not even a stop off on Mars for reprogramming.

      • Captain Howdy

        Did you look at the link?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Okay, I looked at the link. I don’t agree. Some of the assertions are very general (“Persecution complex” or founders “Known for their extreme desire for wealth”) and a few are just wrong. For example, “Died during their trouble with the law.” Joseph Smith died in a shootout with a mob while in a prison at the age of 38. L. Ron Hubbard died of natural causes (as far as we know) while hiding out from authorities at the age of 74. Where are the similarities in that?

          Or, “Focus on thriving and happiness in present life rather than the afterlife or eternal life.” Mormon’s are very much focused on their coming rewards following the resurrection, specifically the idea of exaltation to the Celestial Glory and eventual Godhead.

  • Truthiwant

    Venus or Mars? I have no idea. All I know is that depressed, bummed out thetans go to Uranus!

    • hogarthian

      looooool!

    • Missionary Kid

      You mean the DM planet, don’t you?

      • Truthiwant

        Named in honour of the great man himself.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist
        • Missionary Kid

          O.K., but it still isn’t far enough for DM, even though I would like to tell him that, “Your head is up Uranus!”

          • FistOfXenu

            Found an old photo of DM practicing LRH’s “ultimate self-auditing technique for OTXXIII (TM)”:

            http://www.reocities.com/batman_927/headnbutt.jpg

            • Missionary Kid

              It should be titled, “Ultimate auditing: listening to one’s own farts.”

            • FistOfXenu

              It’s why DM thinks he’s the most important person in the universe. He forgets anybod else exists. Just like LRH.

            • Missionary Kid

              The result of unchecked power.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      that explains JTs troubles.

  • dbloch7986

    WOW I just cognited that I can add the word “uncomfortablenesses” to my vocabulary! Amazing. I always learn something new listening to Ron.

    I wonder if this Narconon raid will lead back to the Church of Scientology? Wouldn’t it be interesting if there were some indictments in ABLE? I wonder how the current Sea Org staff would feel if they saw several of their own getting arrested?

    There is another book or something where Hubbard talks about the Mars vs Venus implant stations and that men go to Mars and Women go to Venus… No joke. Not kidding.

    Kerry Kennedy, take it from someone who’s human rights have been violated time and time again by the Church of Scientology… Thank you for changing your mind about this event.

    Tony thank you for your journalistic support. If it wasn’t for you I don’t know where I would be today.

    By the way, to the independent Scientologists and ex-Scientologists that are here on this blog. If you have not taken advantage of your health insurance and started therapy, I highly recommend it. Especially for ex-Sea Org. I was terrified of taking psych meds and now that I have been on them for a while, my quality of life has improved exponentially. So if you have good health insurance, please, please take advantage of the psychological and psychiatric help available to you!

    • *HUGS*

    • Midwest Mom

      Well said, D-Man! It sure will be nice to see ABLE disabled. 🙂

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I have been blessed with sterling health– both physical and mental. But when I found a need for help with my family, the mental health professionals we have consulted have been WONDERFUL. It is shameful that a few high profile Scientologists make horrible statements about good, caring, ethical doctors who have saved lives– including ones that are near and dear to me.

      • Midwest Mom

        Even worse is the propaganda that the Co$ infiltrates to their members, in their front groups and also on many sites pertaining to mental illness, psychiatry and psychology, medications, and drug and alcohol addiction.

        I saw Co$ propaganda on a “healthy living” blog. It had complete hogwash about ADD-HD and depression and referenced a Co$ propaganda video on “Big Pharma”. The whole blog was set up as a way to interest people in the Co$’s front groups. It’s sickening and dishonest.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Thanks Derek for conveying that message, people who leave abusive cults almost always need counseling to figure out who they are and what happened to them. For an ex-member of the church to advocat it takes guts. As they say in Oz, good on ya!

      As to whether the raid will affect the church, I don’t see how it can’t. It’s still early days and there’s still a lot of work to do, but I wonder what the celebs will say about it? I hope the entertainment reporters get aggressive on the subject. After all, they go ape if a celeb is arrested for DUI and here is the potential for a lot of friends of Tom/John/Kirstie/ Anne to go to prison.

  • Michael Barger

    After Tony broke the news of Kerry Kennedy’s accepting the invitation to speak at Anne Archer’s Hollywood Soirée for Artists For Human Rights, the only journalist to write a story was Roger Friedman at Showbiz411.

    RFK Daughter Kerry Kennedy To Speak at Hollywood Scientology Salon

    http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/04/07/rfk-daughter-kerry-kennedy-to-speak-at-hollywood-scientology-salon

    Comments are still open.

    • Grant C

      Harpoons away!

  • aquaclara

    Media Lush was right. Wahlberg’s “Pain & Gain” knocks Cruise from box office lead.

    For the icing on the cake, I like that “Pain & Gain” is produced by Paramount.

    • FistOfXenu

      It should’ve been “Pain & Sex” but RTC threatened to sue for violation of commercial secrets

      • EnthralledObserver

        lol

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I’d like Media Lush’s take on the fact that I just saw on my cable TV provider’s list of pay movies a buffet of Tom Cruise movies, all from Oblivion to the last 10 years. I mean a whole bunch just popped up. What’s that about?

      • Bella Legosi

        It would be nice to see the stats on just how many of his movies were watched. I bet not a lot. Days of Thunder has been on recently and I really can’t watch it, even tho it is free. I much rather watch Talladega Nights. Which has been on twice this month on TBS 😛 HAH

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’m talking about at least 8 or 9 of his movies suddenly showing up on pay per view. I mean, is this desperation on his accountant’s part or his publicist?

          • Ze Moo

            No desperation or any other reason then riding the advertising coattails of Oblivion. Free coat tails are the best.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Seriously, I’m used to seeing a few of his titles when he has a new flick out, but this is his entire catalog for the last 10years. I’ve never seen this ever. Media Lush to the white courtesy phone?

            • Bella Legosi

              I have seen it done before. I have Comcast and usually when there is some new flick or death they pop up said person’s movies for $2 a pop. Fuckin rip off!

          • Bella Legosi

            They would never see it as desperation, but that is exactly what it is. I think they think people have had their heads in the sand since 2006. That’s becoming rather common when I think about a scientologists perspective. Head in the sand with the Dianetic enema ever flowing!

      • In the UK there’s a daily half -hour “taking to Cruise” show that appears on numerous Sky-owned channels…. in other words we’re getting saturation coverage; if you’re also getting all the Cruise movies popping up you can bet that there’s some kind of reciprocal deal going on. We’ll give you a discount on these Cruise movies if you agree to broadcast the puff-pieces. It’s a win-win for the broadcaster – they get a free half hour plus make more profit on the Cruise movie package. The belief is that by throwing Tommy Girl down our gullet we’re more likely to watch ‘Oblivion’, thereby maintaining him as a solid block-buster opener and his standing in Hollywood. It’s obvious this hasn’t happened due to the second week takings. It’s the 2nd week “legs” that the studios are interested in as that when real profit starts kicking in. In fact given the massive spend on the PR tour and mult-platform ads I would the say this film has to hit $200m domestic within a month just to break even. It’ll be a brave [or stupid] studio head who’s going to bank on Cruise to front a high cost blockbuster again. In my opinion he’s done.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          tks, lush. I’m used to seeing 3, even 4 prior titles when Cruise or Travolta have a hot shot on the lineup, usually ones that are at least 3 years old or more. that’s why I was so astounded to see 8 or 9 of Cruise’s titles, suddenly pop up this past week and not his older ones. Interesting.

    • Ze Moo

      The studio carefully started the US run of Oblivion on a day that had no other new movies. Oblivion had the ‘new guy on the block’ thing and still didn’t ring bells or send up rockets. It will make money and TC’s won’t be hurt by it, but he will make his back hand 5% on the deal. Oblivion only made 17.4 million this US weekend, 1/2 the previous week. The special effects guys are the only ones saving space on the mantle for awards…

    • DodoTheLaser

      I guess people are getting tired of mindfuckery, which Oblivion is full of. Yeah, I watched it.

      SPoiler alert: the happy ending included him as a perfect clone of himself reuniting
      with his wife and a little daughter (who kind of look like Katie and Suri) after Tom’s character
      destroyed the evil alien AI thing and all its drones (that he was a slave and a techie person of) that was fucking with humans, their memories, will power and decision making.
      All that while Katie was divorcing his ass.

      Still wonder if the whole irony of the plot ever crossed Tom’s mind.
      He WILL leave scientology if it did.

      • DodoTheLaser

        P.S. Anyone else watched it? What are your thoughts?

  • Truthiwant

    “Between Lives Implanting” on Venus or Mars sound like a family picnic compared to the horrors of living in the Sea Org.

  • mook

    the BBC did this puff piece w/ the UK CoS spokeshole

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/bbc-radio-2-april-24th-mark-pinchin-on-scientology-and-drugs.110580/#post-2300813

    and EPIC WIN! for Kerry Kennedy finally doing her research. she’ll probably/eventually cancel the appearance by the looks of it

  • Missionary Kid

    The Stonewall Inn was the perfect place for the two of you to meet and not worry very much about some $cion overhearing your discussion. The place would have too much entheta as a gay bar.

  • In case anyone’s missed a post Karin Spaink just made on Tony’s blog entry of two days ago, ‘Scientology’s Notorious R2-45 Policy: Is There a Smoking Gun?’ I’ve reproduced it below.

    It concerns the relationship that Jesse Remmers and Peter la Serpe had with the Church of Scientology.

    Karin of course, needs no introduction to Scientology watchers, her determination to battle the organization through the Dutch courts was inspirational and successful.

    Here’s what she wrote:

    ……………………………………..

    I started to reply to this posting, but when my message became too long, I decided I’d better write an article. ExecSum: yes, both are (or were) Scientology members; Jesse Remmers even was the COE of Criminon NL. I have spoken at large with Jesse’s attorney, and sat in on part of the trials.

    My bit is here: http://www.spaink.net/2013/04/29/scientology-huurmoordenaars/ [in English].

    regards,
    Karin Spaink

    ……………………………………..

    Andrew

    • Captain Howdy

      Thanks for the heads up.

  • HeatherGraceful

    Wish I’d been able to listen in on THAT conversation!

  • Bella Legosi

    *sighs* ok gonna strap in for the Hub lecture……..anyone got a .45 handy?
    scratch that…..old that wacky wordsmith Hub is gonna have to wait til Bella uses a computer that can actually play adobe flash

  • Bella Legosi

    “Of all the nasty, mean and vicious implants that have ever been
    invented, this one is it. And has been going on for thousands of years.
    It’s the most complete memory wipeout system and the biggest bunch of
    lies that anybody ever had anything to do with,” Hubbard says

    Yep, I just wish those people knew it was his lie he was talking about. Like, if you didn’t know by the time he mentions temperatures in space being “toasty warm” My what a vocabulary for such a prized nuclear physics student.

  • Bella Legosi

    69 days? Really? I think the good old days with Parsons and Crowley are peeking thru. Or I am just a deviant! Where’s a witch I can ask about 69? Does it have significance in the occult outside of sex magick stuff? I am sorta ignorant on matters such as those, but curious!

    69

    pfft!

    • DodoTheLaser

      LOL I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought of 69 reference.

      It normally takes two. LOL

      • Bella Legosi

        lol great minds do think a like!

        • DodoTheLaser

          🙂 inb4 someone says we get a room. lol

  • Bella Legosi

    hmmm between Tony’s story and NarCONon’s raid……….I can see why Ms.Kennedy can’t seem to find a way to party with Kool Aid drinkers.

    HA
    HA
    HA

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I always want cheese on the cracker….and the wine cups are too small.

      • Bella Legosi

        One thing that really turned me off my family’s faith was being told I could not part take in Communion as a kid. I was told I had to go to school to be able to do it and that right there told me there is something fishy going on. I really despised being told No to anything, especially, “No, you have to go to school for that!”

        • BuryTheNuts2

          One thing that really turned me off my families faith was:

          Invocations of your inner priestess in crappy hippy gowns.
          The guilt wafer, wine and genuflecting.
          L. Ron Hubbard and Dianutty.

          Oh, that is more than one right?

          • Bella Legosi

            sighs…….I am sorry….Dianutty parents trump catholic grandparents ANY day!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Woh! Wait one minute. I don’t remember Any hippy gowns that were crappy. Tasteless, blinding, yes. But inner priestess doesn’t sound too godly to me, so there’s a clue.
            You say there was wine involved? I’m in!

            • Sandy

              hippy gowns? We were “beautiful” back in the day! I remember a party I went to at my sister’s commune. She had made herself a dress out of gauze!!! And she was naked underneath. Amazing to a young innocent kid like me!!!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Gauzy tunics….yep.

            • Sandy

              They were a bunch of college kids in St. Paul. They all lived in this big, old house together. It had a big ol’ staircase & when my sister came downstairs to the party – it was all nipples & pubic hair! I thought she was the most wonderful woman in the world!!!

            • Sandy

              Now, she is a retired librarian , altho she & her hub retain liberal views … most of which I agree with …..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Gauzy tunics….yep.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Are we related?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Glad I wasn’t on the road when you took a fancy to the car…!

          • Bella Legosi

            heh when I did learn how to drive, trust me you would have wished it was wine! lol still don’t have a license, but that really won’t stop me, unless it’s a stick. They haven’t given Bella enough time with manual!

  • Captain Howdy

    Why does OTVIII’s “factorum” comment keep disappearing?

  • Observer

    The more I look at it, the butt-uglier that Artists for Human Exploitation, er, Rights logo gets. What is it with Scientology and their ugly logos?

    • Bella Legosi

      It’s the side effect of Kool Aid. They are the most ethical people on the planet who are so damn ethical all of their artistic juices have been replaced with clam juice or “canceled out of their areas”. Either way, i really doubt any real artist has benefited from religion. Religion tends to knock out the individual out of a person, and boy oh boy do they know how to do THAT in cults! Look at the Mormons. Really shitty artists. The last artist who did anything of value to art and was swimming in religious Kool Aid; was Michelangelo (NOT the turtle) and he was gay. Still the best interior decorator EVER!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Ahem.

        Bernini.

        ‘Nuff said.

        • Bella Legosi

          Oh yes! Thank you I forgot about him!

      • Midwest Mom

        I disagree about your comment doubting that any real artist has benefited from religion. Historically, there are unlimited examples and you can walk into any gallery and find artists who benefited from religion and most importantly, faith, and were even inspired by it.

        I think that you are unaware of all of the magnificent artists with devout religious faiths who have contributed and still contribute their gifts to society. Don’t Raphael, Rubens, da Vinci, Degas, Renoir, Matisse, Cezanne, Dali, De Goya or Vermeer qualify in your eyes? I listed only ten, but I hope you see my point.

        As for your comment stating that tends to knock out the individual out of a person, again, I disagree and am quite perplexed as to why you feel that way. I think you are mixing up suppressive modern day cults with other religious faiths which actually encourage, promote and foster the arts and higher education.

        • Bella Legosi

          I was making a really general point Mom. Sorry if I offended. I have seen much of the works from the men you listed and you have a very good point. I should have elaborated a bit more. My point I was trying to make is that since the Renaissance there really has not been the level of masterpiece artwork created on the same level as the masters. And they were lucky to have lived in a time where for once in a very long time religious fervor was giving way to enlightenment and new thought. Look at the artwork created before the Renaissance. It hardly compares.

          I feel that in most if not all religions requires some sacrifice of yourself. You give some part of you to the higher being or creator, or God if that is your thing and in turn you give yourself up to the flock as well. Spirituality and religion are very different in my eyes. Religion to me is joining a “flock” of people much like yourself (not you you speaking figuratively)and learning and coming to believe the same doctrine. Can a homosexual really be himself in a Catholic, Lutheran, or Mormon church? The Catholics believe if one is homosexual they should stay celibate, live life, but just never have the sex you feel is right for you to have. Is that fostering individuality? After some faith and time, when you are in a religion you come to think like they do. Have the same values. Same beliefs. The level of tolerance varies from religion to religion. Spirituality to me is believing in some higher power or God, yet that relationship is not determined by the church you go to (or the people who run it), the people you choose to have sex with, or what was written in a different time. “It is better to have an idea then it is to have a belief. Its hard to change beliefs, people die for it, kill for it, go to war. But you can change ideas.” That was from Dogma and I have to agree with Rufus!

          🙁 Sorry if I offended ya Mom, I really didn’t mean to.

          I hope I got my point across more clearly! This vampire didn’t sleep at all last night and am sorta on auto pilot for the moment!

    • aquaclara

      I thought the same thing. It looks like a cheap imitation of that other butt-ugly logo. Truly awful.
      Can we just lay out some ground rules? No ALL CAPS. No BAD ART that looks like it was ripped off of something else. How about hiring a good/great/wonderful designer that can help them promote their organization?

    • Grant C

      Utter lack of taste. I mean, they like to read LRH. You can’t have a normal palate for culture and enjoy that crap.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Who is the SP who sent Kerry Kennedy a link to The Bunker?!
    Oh wait, there were 9,000 of them…

  • Just a thought about Kerry Kennedy’s change of plans. Her brother, David Kennedy, died of a drug overdose in 1984 after many years of addiction and rehabs. Perhaps the Narconon fiasco in Georgia caught her attention and she finally put 2 and 2 together.

  • CAPTION COMPETITION … I’ll post the most likes on my bollocks site … here’s my effort:

    • aaarghh, KardasHians … can’t correct it without screwing up Disqus

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Kard Asians? Works for me

        • I think the Kardasians were those Klingon-forehead looking aliens on Star Trek Deep Space 9

          • nope… wrong spelling there, too …. this should clear it up

            • Bella Legosi

              ohhh you are on to something bro

            • BuryTheNuts2

              THAT is WRONG..You picked the only Kardashian with a neuron!!!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              YES, Thank you!
              Don’t pick on THAT one for christ sakes.

          • Bella Legosi

            Quarks? oh that is funny!

    • aquaclara

      Funny! You always come through! Thanks, ML!

    • Midwest Mom

      Sweeney: “it’s such a relief not to have all of those screaming groupies hounding us in here. Some of those fans are almost as bad as the Co$!”

      Ortega: “I hear you, bro. I’m tired of them treating us like we’re meat bodies, too. Hey, isn’t that Jake Gyllenhaal over there?”

  • New York Times comparing Xenu to Steve Jobs…… Oh, Dear …. I can’t read this article because it’s behind a pay firewall …. if anybody can do a copy and paste or screengrab of it I’d appreciate it

    http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2013/04/29/comparing-ron-johnson-with-l-ron-hubbard/

  • sugarplumfairy

    My sister just called to tell me the show “2 Broke Girls” on CBS just made a joke about Scientology a few minutes ago.. One of the girls was considering sleeping with the director of a TV show in order to get a job that paid enough to re-shoe her horse, Chestnut.. At the last minute, she’s having second thoughts and the other girl says something to the effect ‘you need to go through with this if you’re going to have enough money to buy Chestnut shoes, therapy and a way out of scientology..’

    • aquaclara

      Love this! Thanks!

  • DodoTheLaser

    LRH wanted to smash his name into history.
    He sure did. As a very interesting mental case study subject.
    That’s about it. No offense to Indies and lurkers.
    Time will tell.

  • EnthralledObserver

    I’ve just been over to Marty’s site… I reckon he’s barely hanging on by his fingernails to being an Indie in his head. I have no idea how he could justify so considering his most recent post, it must surely be all pride that holds his beliefs together for now.

    • Bella Legosi

      He is just a believer, and unbelievers will never really be able to understand them. It is always inevitable.
      *Bella really doesn’t get it either*

    • The indies are the only people who buy his crappy books. I think we know why he is holding on.

      • EnthralledObserver

        That is a good point. I can’t count how many times someone has tried to get him to clarify a point or ask him a question and he responds with ‘read my ‘bla bla’ book” OR “It will become clear in my new book” OR “my position is made clear in ‘bla bla’ book, I won’t bother repeating it”. Such an overt ploy to increase sales.
        AS IF I’m going to buy one! :p

  • DodoTheLaser

    So, Tony and John, Marty and Mike walk into scientology bar (heh) to meet with Tobin and Childs, some OG/GO, bunch of Anons and Exes and Indies and Great Bunkereetis. Everyone served fresh drinks paid by some cool Lawrence W., John P and Mike L. dudes. Karen and Tory are super friendly bartenders. Bearded wise looking guy running the camera, while Emma, Andreas and boy named Sue enjoying shooting pool. Some poor aggro shorty named Dave is a bouncer, but no one is paying attention, even the lurkers who walk by feeling jelly, and walk inside, breaking the stupid rules and joining the fun. End of joke.

    Hope I didn’t miss anyone. Love you all 🙂

    • aquaclara

      Nice party!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thanks for being part of it, Aqua!

    • Bella Legosi

      lol you’re awesome sometimes Dodo

  • DodoTheLaser

    Some blame women for talking too much.
    Let me introduce you to L. Ron Hubbard.

    Bowing to ladies regardless. Loves.

    • Bella Legosi

      *humbly curtsey bows*

  • ParticleMom

    I was scrolling through Marty’s site to see if I missed anything that was readable and came across this older post:
    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/07/23/a-view-from-inside-scientology-inc/#comments

    It was written by a still-in right after Louis Garcia was declared. She questions why she had to disconnect from him, among many other questions. I wonder if she is now one of the Indies who wrote a statement for the case?

  • Bella Legosi

    was watching my favorite show and low and behold I do believe Bella’s most favorite angel does smite scientology! thought i would share. here is the lines. i couldn’t find a shorter vid for it but here yall go!

    RADIO ANNOUNCER (V.O.)

    A freak lightning strike on the heels of the fire that burned down the
    Center for Vibrational Enlightenment earlier today. Said a spokesman,
    “this tragedy represents the largest loss in New Age motivational
    speaker history”.

    SAM:

    Motivational speakers?

    DEAN:

    Yeah, I’m not sure new Cas gets irony any better than old Cas.
    http://youtu.be/VfL6VDmgKRs?t=40s
    point. He is off the deep end of the deep end. And there’s no slowing
    down.

  • disqus_0MHNN90X5s

    OK Tony you got me on the John Sweeney thing!!!!!

  • disqus_0MHNN90X5s

    Men are fro Mars Women are from Venus, not ‘Dr’ John Gray and Adnan Khashoggii (well known Scientology family) again!!

    ‘My suspicions were aroused when the keynote speech was given by ‘relationship guru’ John Gray. In a conference on 9/11, what does “Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus” have to teach us about the identities of those responsible for murdering 3000 human beings?'”
    http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=75&contentid=1417&page=2
    Of Course John Gray studied at St Thomas in Houston Texas late 60’s early 70’s when Marshall Applewhite of ‘Heavens Gate’ was a lecturer there, Need I say more!!

  • One research project I plan to do, is study when Hubbard first used the word “Marcab”, as I believe he used it after the popular 1961 book “Interrupted Journey” came out.

    I plan to find out if truly he absorbed the public sentiments of Marcab unauthorized earth planet visiting that is told in this popular early UFO abduction book, into the Scientology group false memory beliefs about earth’s “role” in this sector of the galaxy, etc.

    I believe Hubbard absorbed “Marcab” legitimacy in the UFO abduction followers minds, and incorporated it into Scientology, playing one up man ship with his “serious” past lives explorations that his Scientology pseudotherapy practitioners were delving into, to explain even more “rationally” why Marcabian space traders even came to earth in the period to abduct the couple that the 1961 “Interrupted Journey” is centered around.

    That book is a good one to add to the experts collection, in the Hubbard vocabulary, since Marcab is forever continued to be used up through the early Sea Org days, as a word, by Hubbard and followers.

    the origin of how Scientologists and Hubbard first came to begin to use the word, and the influence of the UFO literature of the 1960s and 1960s, is a whole side part of Scientology’s history that deserves full laying out.

    The book, “Interrupted Journey” was sitting on her bookshelf, as part of the books she inherited, when my wife was COmmodire’s Staff Aide for Division 3, (CS-3) when her offices for CS-3, as were the other Commodore’s Aides, during the management transition from the old CS Aides to the new Exec Strata, that first incarnation of what later became the Exec Strata; in my ex wife’s office were the books inherited and passed down from past CS aids, and “Interrupted Journey” was sitting on her shelf, and one night when I came to visit and wait for her to finish up her work so we could walk back to our room at the Fort Harrison, I sat and read this UFO abdutciton book, and there’s a photo of the star map that the aliens showed one of the abductees, and one of the stars in that star map photo, a photo the abductee later saw in the NY Times, amongst the stars in the New York Times photo, is Marcab!

    I believe Hubbard just ran with 1981 book’s “evidence” and either Hubbard, or his followers let their imaginations run, while they themselves were doing the Hubbard past lives explorations during those years, in their auditing, and that’s how this connection to Marcab surfaced and then came to be “reality” in Scienotlogy.

    Marcab seeped into the Scientology lexicon, I believe, it will be found, through the whole UFO crowd’s use of the word, or some Scienotlogist follower, or Ron, picking up on the connection, and this book, “Interrupted Journey” is the UFO connection.

  • claybonnyman

    Sorry to be repetitive, but if I may: You don’t have to listen to much of Hubbard’s ramblings, or read about his past (finally getting to Atack – amazing detail), to understand what a complete, chattering pile of lunacy he is.

    I know that Co$ does its best to discourage independent thinking, but with the aid of Google surely some of them are coming across this madness.

    How do they handle the cognitive dissonance, anyway?

    • Grant C

      “You don’t have to listen to much of Hubbard’s ramblings, or read about his past… to understand what a complete, chattering pile of lunacy he is.”

      Nattering, chattering, slithering, blithering lunatic, indeed.

      At this point, 2013, it should be immediately obvious to anyone.

    • They intentionally STOP “Cognitive dissonance” by not allowing it to be discussed, AT ALL. “It’s a

      PSYCH TERM……….DIDN’T you know that???