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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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John Sweeney and Marc Headley Visit Scientology’s Odd New Mexico Vault

John_SweeneyOn January 7, BBC reporter John Sweeney’s book about Scientology, The Church of Fear, hits bookstores, and he thought of a great way to promote it.

About a month ago, he flew to the US and joined former church member and Blown for Good author Marc Headley for a trip to the Trementina vault in New Mexico.

Earlier this year, we put together a comprehensive article about the strange vaults that one of Scientology’s most secretive entities, the Church of Spiritual Technology, has also dug in California and Wyoming in order to secure L. Ron Hubbard’s writings and lectures against nuclear attack. For our piece, we had the help of a former CST employee, Dylan Gill, who gave us some rare insights about these strange facilities.

As his Sun article indicates, Sweeney and Headley were stopped at the gate before they could get inside the base and look around. What a shame. After all, Sweeney has demonstrated that he can put on a good show when he’s let in the door!

As Sweeney points out, it’s extremely odd that Scientology has gone to the great expense to dig a vast vault in the middle of nowhere for storing Hubbard’s writings on etched steel plates and gold compact discs inside titanium containers, and marked the place with a vast symbol carved into the desert that can only be seen from the sky.

But Sweeney misses a few things about the place that were explained to us by Dylan Gill, who actually helped build the place.

First, it’s hard to know whether the gold discs and steel plates and titanium containers have actually been fashioned and put into place. Gill told us that this was the plan for the vaults, but when he was there in the late 1980s, CST employees were still archiving on paper the millions of words left behind by Hubbard. Before a single steel plate could be etched, he explained, it had to be determined which of Hubbard’s writings, and in which edition, would be preserved. Since then, church leader David Miscavige has continued to tweak Hubbard’s output, and Gill explained to us that every new edition would put the archiving project back.

Also, he told us, as is typical with Miscavige, the plans for the containers were always being changed, which also put the project back even farther. And there was another problem: in a post-nuclear-war future, there would presumably be no electric grid. So devices had to be fashioned that could use solar power and still play back Hubbard’s lectures on CD, for example.

The vaults themselves had their own problems — fighting moisture at the vaults in California was an issue, he told us. But the one in New Mexico, he said, was definitely finished and ready for storing materials — if the archiving has ever been finished.

Another feature of the vaults that Gill told us about that usually doesn’t get mentioned in stories about them is that each comes with an “LRH house,” and the ones in Petrolia in Northern California and Trementina in New Mexico feature the CST logo carved into the ground.

Trementina_Logo

Gill told us that the logos and the houses are paired for a reason — it’s not “aliens” that the symbols are meant to guide, but L. Ron Hubbard’s reincarnating spirit, his thetan, returning to earth.

From our story in February:

“That’s where LRH is supposed to go, when he returns,” Gill says. Once Hubbard adopts a new body, he’s expected to make his way to one of the CST bases. “That’s where he’s supposed to be raised and be taken care of,” Gill says. “So the symbol is a way for a spirit to find its way back to where it belongs.”

In other words, the “LRH Houses” were built, in fact, for raising a young, reincarnated L. Ron Hubbard. (It’s been almost 27 years since Hubbard left behind his body on January 24, 1986. But according to one Scientology theory, Sea Org workers get 21 years leave between life assignments, which would put the new Hubbard at about 6 years old.)

Gill later told us that the most likely place for Hubbard to return is another CST location that has the logo visible from the air, but has no vault — the Creston Ranch where Hubbard died in 1986. Here’s what it looks like from above…

Creston_Ranch

It’s not a surprise that Sweeney and Headley got no further than a gate with a security camera on it. Not only are CST locations closed to the public, they are also kept strictly secret from Church of Scientology members. High-ranking former officials told us they were never told anything about CST, which is probably the church’s most hush-hush division.

CST also has its own headquarters, a complex in the mountains above Los Angeles, which has a vault and an LRH House, but no logo visible from the air (the terrain is too mountainous). It goes by the name “Rimforest” or “Twin Peaks,” depending on which Scientologist you’re talking to. Here’s a satellite view…

RimForest_Overview

The place also has other buildings, and it’s where the archiving was going on that Gill told us about. Since 2007, it’s also been the rumored home of Shelly Miscavige, the wife of the church leader, who suddenly vanished from view after a career as one of the church’s most prominent executives.

It was John Brousseau — a Sea Org worker who left Scientology’s international base near Hemet, east of Los Angeles in 2010 — who told us that he saw mail for Shelly being forwarded to the CST headquarters. Is Shelly still there? For some reason, Miscavige refuses to produce her despite numerous press inquiries.

Maybe the vaults of Scientology are not so much “space alien cathedrals” as Sweeney called them. But the secrets they do protect are disturbing enough.

 

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  • Mat Pesch

    The symbol that you can only see from the sky should be changed to a money sign ($).

    • Chocolate Velvet

      Guaranteed to attract L Ron, from miles away!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Maybe it is. I can’t help now seeing that logo as a sign of the two things he cherished the most: Cash and a pack of Kools cigarettes.

      “I learned from an ex member, Pixie, on ESMB chatboard that was into tarot and card readings that
      the diamond on a regular deck of cards is the equivalent of the “Coin”
      representing money in the Tarot deck, hence the CST logo visible from
      space is a “Here’s where I hid the loot” marker for the returning reborn
      L Ron Hubbard”

      In a book called Mission into Time, A Test of Whole Track Recall Hubbard went to considerable lengths wasting
      everyone’s time and taking the Apollo all over the Mediterranean to
      dig holes in the sand.. looking for the LOOT that he buried last
      lifetime, and he could not find it..”

      http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/

      http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/GnN9qiHIWD1V8kw2K-XBUw?select=jjX1FktLFgDGxPxkbgoktw#jjX1FktLFgDGxPxkbgoktw

      • BuryTheNuts2

        My god woman! I think you called it on the symbology!

        • mirele

          That’s the song Davey Miscavige should be singing every day: “Send lawyers, guns and money / The shit has hit the fan.” God I miss Warren Zevon.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Me too. I nominated That song a while back as the secret IAS Theme song. Can’t you just see these used car sales jerks leaning back in their chairs in some dark, smelly sea org basement, singing along with hyena gusto?

            • Captain Howdy

              My nomination for the unofficial anthem for ex-scientologists is “Burning Bridges” by the Mike Curb Congregation. It’s purrr-fect.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReUaQlsZZ5I

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Capt…..I just returned to my twelve year old me playing that 45 over and over in my bedroom.
              Thanks, that was cool.

            • John P.

              Captain, I only knew the Mike Curb Congregation as another “Up With People” sort of schmaltzy outfit. Sort of like in this picture of them, taken on the “It’s a Small World” ride at Disneyland: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000000D9A.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg. Never knew them to engage in such deep social commentary. You’re right… it’s the anthem of disconnection.

              As relevant and as biting as this particular tune may be, they’ll never displace the snarling cynicism and dark, brooding irony of Steely Dan, the official musical group of this community.

            • ze moo

              While I love Steely Dan, I nominate Pink Floyd’s Wish You Were Here as an ‘official’ anthem.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCQTr8ZYdhg

            • Sandy

              Oh, man … I haven’t heard that in ages. Thanks ….

            • mook

              Mike Curb I believe was the founder of Curb Records and the Congregation Singers were a bunch of session singers assembled a la the New Christy Minstrels/Young Americans/Up with People.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Yes. While there’s a boatload of individual songs that could be The song, pick any Steely Dan album, and it will fit the bill.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Me too! I loved that guy.

      • ze moo

        Lron loved his Kools. The diamond symbol placed in the linked ‘O’s, mean cigs and money. I bet they often have poker games there.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Lol.. you are one brilliant bovine..

          • ze moo

            Those who found the meaning of the diamond symbol are the brilliant ones. Money and smokes, what reincarnated former navy man (who may not be a man this time) could resist that??

        • Rick Mycroft

          I bet Miscavige has diamonds tattooed on his butt cheeks.

      • Flunk101

        The tarot card connection is not that far fetched … Didn’t Aleister Crowley, Hubbard’s inspiration for Scientology, design his own set of tarot cards?

        • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

          Looks like Hubbard didn’t understand Tarot cards either. What a shock. “The Fool” means infinite possibilities, hope, and new beginnings, but it also holds the potential of danger. While chasing rainbows, the Fool may discover enlightenment, but he may also fall into a bottomless pit. The Fool represents the beginning of the search for wisdom, not its culmination.

          (I do not believe Tarot cards, or anything else, have any mystical powers. But I think they’re neat, so I know a lot about them.)

          Also, Crowley was a whackjob in a lot of ways, but he did not inspire Hubbard. Crowley believed all the nutty stuff he said, for one thing. For another, he was a lot more coherent than Hubbard, and he didn’t care much about material things.

          Hubbard’s only inspiration for Scientology was money. He grabbed a bunch of ideas from a bunch of other sources, twisted them and watered them down into things that are the opposite of their intent, and slapped dollar signs on them. Nothing Hubbard stole from is simple, not even the Tarot, but Scientology sure is simple.

      • California
  • aussiecase

    The thetan formerly known as Hubbard will not be happy with this story.

    • TheNextMrsTomCruise

      Is he related to the artist formerly known as Prince?

      • Midwest Mom

        It’s too bad that Hubb’s chances of being reincarnated in India or China are more likely than in America. He’s probably working in a sweatshop making Hello Kitty knock-off merchandise and most likely a brunette now, but with those same crooked and misaligned teeth, begging for Kools in the slums. He’s also not likely to be a Tom Cruise fan. Go figure.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Ah, thank you for the movie playing in my head now.

        • aussiecase

          There is no evidence the thetan formerly known as Hubbard was ever a fan of Tom Cruise, but we do have evidence the Mr. Tom Cruise is a fan of Hubbard, Mr. Tom Cruise, and Mr. David Miscavige.

          Wiseman argues that Hubbard was interested in celebrities as early as the mid 1950s, but he was thwarted by psychiatry. That was around the time the precursors to modern antidepressants first came out, and it coincided with Hubbard first introducing harsh anti-psychiatry rhetoric.

          http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDC1C3A13E3E13C24

          I suspect Hubbard correctly saw celebrities having a high influence to education ratio.

          I was once a deluded fan of Hubbard, and while Tom Cruise is bats**t crazy, “A Few Good Men” was a decent movie.

          • mook

            Cruise has been in some pretty good flicks (i.e. The Outsiders, Risky Business, Top Gun [despite the campiness of it all, it's so bad it's good], Rain Man, Born on the Fourth of July, A Few Good Men, Far and Away [despite his bad Irish accent], The Firm, Interview with the Vampire, Jerry Maguire, the first MI movie, Eyes Wide Shut, Magnolia) but the list of bombs is about the same if not more.

        • ze moo

          Scamatologists who have OT powers are supposed to be able to pick the family they are reborn to. According to Lron’s fables, he could be Suri Cruise. I don’t think anyone who said ‘a womans lot is to be fornicated’, would reincarnate as a woman.

          You will know when Miscavige is in real trouble, he’ll produce the reborn Hubbard and charge admission to his presence. South Park probably got that part right.

      • aussiecase

        No relation. Spiritual, artistic, or otherwise.

  • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

    and it’s not even January yet, ha!

    • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

      I also find it delightfully ironic that my new iMac arrived a couple of days ago and no longer has a dvd slot…. dvd’s are fast going the way of VHS…. [as are Blue Rays to a lesser extent.]… these gold dvd’s are already out of date…. also noticed one of UK’s scuzzier tabloids came up with an interesting header for a story:

      KATIE HOLMES SPLIT KICKS OFF CULT EXIT

      it’s been awhile since I’ve seen a story about her that mentioned the “cult”
      http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/290316/Katie-Holmes-split-kicks-off-cult-exit/

      …. another strange thing I saw: …. the West Brom v Man U match on Sky – the moving banner ads at the pitch side were constantly showing ads for Jack Reacher…. I’ve never seen a film promoted on these footy banners before.

      and for those in the UK we have Cruise on Graeme Norton’s chat show tonight… filmed a few days ago

      • DeElizabethan
      • John P.

        Your comment about the obsolescence of DVDs is interesting. There’s more to the story than that. The fact is that as we get more high tech in our media, it is less likely to survive into the future. Cave paintings are in relatively unscathed shape tens of thousands of years later. Stone tablets live for thousands of years. Vellum and parchment will preserve information for hundreds of years; we have many medieval manuscripts surviving in great shape. But things like CDs and DVDs will only last for a decade or two at the most. The reflective foil is not the problem; making that out of gold won’t help. The problem is the plastic that encapsulates it; that plastic decays or turns milky or otherwise ages, which makes the laser read inaccurately. The other problem is the circuitry of the DVD player. IC’s are packaged in plastic which will inevitably decay; as circuits are used and generate heat, they cause the plastic next to the chip to decay first, releasing gases that cause the circuits to decay. It’s unlikely that any of the DVD players the cult is counting on will work in 20 or 30 years.

        But the most amusing factor in the discussion about preserving all this information at these secret bases is the obvious theological disconnect: Thetans are supposed to have perfect recall of everything that happened in their past lives. If that’s true, why do Scientologists need these titanium tablets, since they’ should be able to recall every word of every sacred Scientology text?

        • http://www.facebook.com/deanOT5 Dean Blair

          Because L Ron Hubbard said “If it isn’t written, it isn’t true”.

          • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

            Which, of course, also means that if he wrote it, then it’s true.

        • Midwest Mom

          It’s such a shame that the caveman that Hubbard claimed were first taken-over by alien thetans didn’t tell their story in cave drawings, especially since they found their droll hunting stories to be more important!

      • mook

        “and for those in the UK we have Cruise on Graeme Norton’s chat show tonight… filmed a few days ago”

        the other guests are fellow closet case Hugh Jackman and ex-Scilon Lisa Marie Presley’s pal Pink.

        • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

          thought he was very down-key…. wouldn’t play along with his famous catch phrases bit… said them in a monotone voice…. couldn’t believe how far Rosamund Pike was brown-nosing him… her nose was so far up Tommy’s arse I’m sure she smelt his mouthwash.

          And in case you didn’t know it’s [not really] well known that the more a chat show host pretends to say how brilliant their guest is the more they loathe them…. after watching this Norton must hate Cruise with a passion.

      • ze moo

        Like so many articles about Tom Cruise and his divorces, this one just throws out unsubstantiated crap and expects us to believe it.

        “She knows every secret worth knowing and where every skeleton in the church’s history is buried.”

        Dave Miscavige doesn’t share the dark secrets with Tom or Katie. Hell, he doesn’t share the real secrets with anybody in the CO$, that privilege goes to the hired PIs and lawyers who have signed confidentiality agreements.

        Katie Holmes split 6 months ago and every week since, there have been gossip pages filled with articles about how bat-shit crazy Scamatology is. Katie is the gift that keeps on giving….. Outside of reporters and bloggers who keep cranking out CO$ stories (everyone here knows a few of these intrepid souls), Katie has been the most effective anti-scamatologist for this year and she hasn’t even uttered one line of anti-Tom or anti-Co$ information.

        • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

          I did say it was one of the ‘scuzzier’ tabloids.

          The guy who owns it also owns The Daily Express and OK magazine and Channel 5…. he’s been trying to gain credibility for years as he bought them with sale of his soft porn empire which made its money selling magazines like Asian Babes, which Private Eye continually reminds him about in every article they write about him.

          The relevant point here is that all the press is on the same tune that Scientology is a cult and a con and that they’re no longer afraid of them and their legal department. Rather than be angry I think you should go for the lulz.

          • ze moo

            I save my anger for Miscavige and his puppy killing friends. The disdain the 4th estate has been showing scamatology is probably the most important reason it is currently dying. After being bullied around since Paulete Cooper and the Time magazine lawsuit, no one is afraid of CO$ anymore. The CO$ used to go after anyone saying anything about them. They finally noticed that their lawsuits spread news of disconnection, fair game and acceptable truths. Every time one of these stories hit the public, the new meat stopped showing up. Cash flow is the only thing will kill the CO$. That and an indictment for inurement and human trafficking….

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1161852028 Derek Bloch

    I would not be surprised at all if those bunkers were entirely empty.

    It’s quite telling that Scientologists never ask themselves why the church stopped fundraising for those despite the fact that the unchangeable tech has been changed so many times in the last 30 years. Yet they continue to raise money for Superpower, something that has stayed unchanged for years.

    • DodoTheLaser

      I get your point Derek, but I saw some super glossy pics of titanium plates with LRH ramblings etched on it in a special edition of ASI Magazine, Masterpiece, I think it was called, back in the 90’s. It was made mainly to be shown to filthy rich Scientologists, so they will donate for the “Preservation Of Technology” project. Along with titanium plates, it also featured some fancy paper that can last for hundreds of years. I was on staff and ASI/RTC sent us a copy, that’s how I know. As a side note, that mag and pics in it was produced about 15 years ago and since than I saw only one other mag of comparable quality, by some major architecture or perfume company, it’s still very impressive in 2012-13. Anyone else saw the ASI mag I am talking about?

      And just to reiterate – none of the above belittles your point, in fact, I think it’s funny that after they put all of the LRH stuff on plates in bunkers, they later announced it was faulty somehow, hence The Basics, etc.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

        And do you have any idea how expensive it was to scrape all those erroneous semicolons off of hardened titanium plates?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hey, Derek! Hope you got some warm socks for Xmas! Actually, I heard a lot of WTF grumbling about the vaults and plates scam from the beginning, especially the expense for something so useless (customer base post nuclear?)

      Now go get some hot chocolate and make a snowman with your TX cousins. We can wait till you get back.

    • Gordon Freeman

      I don’t think they’re empty. Or at least they weren’t when they were first built; they were probably bolt-holes for scn top-dogs and hangers-on to ride out a nuclear war in.

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Oh my, this is getting good! John Sweeny obviously feels unleashed these days, and he’s got a story to tell. I can’t wait for his book…

  • DeElizabethan

    Nice that Marc and Sweeney at least tried and good for them. Neat photo’s.

    “as is typical with Miscavige, the plans for the containers were always being changed, which also put the project back even farther.” That’s the same hype I heard from an insider asked in late 2010 about the Slippery Power building, as an excuse for not opening.
    Since they are known to lie so much It wouldn’t surprise me if all those other plate plans will not happen either or because the money will dry up. One or the other.

    The bottom line is that I think Miscabbage cares only about keeping secrets and mystery to pull the money in and keep all his loyal’s loyal, just like the founder. The good news is that was decades ago and times have changed.

  • http://surisburnbook.tumblr.com/ nobs

    The only part of this story that isn’t hilaaaarrrriiiiooouuuss is the part about Shelly Miscavige. Maybe she’s doing okay tucked away in the mountains. Maybe she’s healthy, eating well, getting plenty of rest and fresh air. But I suspect she’s not free to leave. That is, of course, IF that’s where she is.

    Many years ago, I toured ASI which is where they whisper to public scnists about the engraved plates and the titanium shells and the new technology (we were told about a solar powered record player, never seen before on this planet). Looking back, it’s another of those mind-boggling moments when the cognitive dissonance was deafening. All the crazy talk turns into a completely logical explanation of how to “preserve the tech.” And the questions that might bubble to the surface about why would this be necessary? are we really spending all this money on such a project? surely this isn’t even remotely possible? are quickly swept away. And out comes the checkbook. “Once Hubbard adopts a new body, he’s expected to make his way to one of the CST bases.” I LOVE this line. Can’t you see it? A little red-headed toddler hitch-hiking the highways and byways, working his way back home. Oh. My. God.

    I have to say I’m kind of sorry Sweeney made the vault place and signs out to be alien landing sites. Too bad. But I’ll happily buy his book, along with Wright’s and Miscavige-Hill’s. Ah, plenty to do through the cold winter.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Oh Yeah! I remember the “solar powered record player, never seen before on this planet”. I think it was in that super glossy mag too, that I mentioned in my comment to Derek. Great insightful post, nobs. Thank you!

      • TheNextMrsTomCruise

        A solar powered record player is about as useful as $ciloon pamphlets

    • BosonStark

      According to the wiki on Trementina: Former members of the Church have said that the symbol marks a “return point” for Scientologists to help find Hubbard’s works when they travel here in the future from other places in the universe.

      I’m sure the main point of Trementina was like most everything in Scientology, to raise money. However, inside the cult, it no doubt got the brainwashed excited about the universe-shattering IMPORTANCE of Hubbard’s every word and how it needed to be preserved.

      I’m sure the story kept changing about the purpose of the symbols, but one interpretation would be that it was preservation in the event of a nuclear war. Remember, Tommy Davis told Lawrence Wright that records of Hubbard’s Asia travels, when he was 16 and 17, were destroyed because they were kept in Hiroshima. Only a pretend nuclear physicist, universe hopping war hero like Dr. Hubtard, knew the devastating effects of nuclear bombs.

      So, in the event of a nuclear war, any survivors could find the archive and have all the “tools” necessary to create a perfect civilization — just like the Sea Org. Likewise, if every last person were destroyed the symbols would serve to guide alien civilizations to Teegeeack to plumb the depths of Dr. Hubtard’s wisdom.

      As far as I’m concerned, they may as well have loaded extra copies of Dianutty into active volcanoes so that it good be spewed/disseminated to the people of Teegeeack — would have made about as much sense. Think oiliness table?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Hey, the only thing wrong with that oiliness table is that is connected to Scientology!
        I kinda wish I would have came up with that particular “perceptic” device.
        I can see some serious cash to be made in some dungeons in the S&M community.
        Same with that Orbitron thingy…
        Ruh Ro!
        I think I just “cognited” my own new religion.

        • Captain Howdy

          The Church of the Oily Gimp.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Captain…Marketing is everything…
            Somehow “Church of the Oily Gimp” does not sound like a siren song for recruitment…

            How about “Temple of Pain” or “Houses of the HOLEy”

      • http://surisburnbook.tumblr.com/ nobs

        Yes, their only purpose was yet one more way to suck the $ out of us. And they did it so well. In your earlier comment you mention about the records. That’s what I remember being told about how the preservation was happening. There was a very snazzy diagram of the record player with a write-up about how it was designed and invented solely for the co$ and no one else in the whole universe had one of these. And there weren’t any plastic parts. ;-) I don’t remember being told about the symbols, but that doesn’t mean I wasn’t. Old memory is old.

    • Rick Mycroft

      Somehow “gold records” keeps creeping into the news stories. Gold doesn’t rust, is shiny and a good conductor, but would be terrible for durability. The records were supposed to be made of nickel.

      http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n462/LarryBren/disks/CopyofEbay047.jpg

  • DodoTheLaser

    At this kind of rate of developments, Marc Headley might be delaying the release of his new book for the rest of 2013 and I am ok with that, as long as it will be published in my lifetime. LOL Can’t wait really, Blown For Good is a gem. That and Counterfeit Dreams by Jeff Hawkins are my absolute faves. Will be ordering Mr. Sweeney’s book shortly.

    • DeElizabethan

      Dodo, have you read Margery Wakefield’s first two books? Look on Amazon and see my coasttocoast reviews of each. Her and I share similar time zones of being in. I liked her first book actually best. You’ll be hearing more about her this coming year. Happy New Year sweet.

      • Captain Howdy

        Yea, everybody should read “The Road to Xenu”. It really captures that whole 60’s,70’s hippie, new age/occult vibe, which is how and why a lot of folks got sucked into scientology and other cults.

        • stillgrace

          I posted this link to a free copy of the book that has some editorial information about the true identities of some of the people in the book. My post somehow got lost in the cosmos. I apologize for the duplicate if my original post magically appears.

          http://members.chello.nl/mgormez/books/xenu/xenu.html

          • DeElizabethan

            Cheers!

            • stillgrace

              My best wishes for your very Happy New Year, Dee!

            • DeElizabethan

              Stillgrace & BuryTheNuts -Happy New year to you. I’m so happy to have such lovely people like yourself and many others here as friends. This years was the most productive in my personal life and you helped, many thanks. May you have a positive and rewarding year ahead. Love you guys.

        • DeElizabethan

          Got that right Capt’! Those old ways are still used to the many unsuspecting today.
          Margery Wakefield’s 2nd book- Understanding Scientology: Demon Cult, is a good one too.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      From WWP, Marc’s juicy comment from Dec 28, 2012:

      “Good news and bad news. Bad news is that the next book will not make it
      by April. I am getting Tiny Fists something else besides my book.

      Good news is that the reason it will not make it is that I have to add
      some stuff to it that is fully awesome. Some of that stuff is still
      going on so can’t wrap up the book until this stuff finishes up.

      I will give you a hint. I am in the middle of owning the shit out of
      Tiny Fists and until it is wrapped up I cannot finish the book.

      BFG Book One still has 2 spots in the Amazon Top 10 Scientology books so we hope we can get the next one on their as well.

      I will try and post some excepts as we get closer to releasing it.”

      https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/bfg-book-ii-the-greatest-good.105117/page-7

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Ooooh how exciting….must go read…
        By the way…thanks for my new clothes Hole!

      • dagobarbz

        It’s always good to have a denouement at the end of a book…”they all lived happily ever after” is one.
        “And she danced in the red-hot iron shoes until she fell down dead” is another.
        David Miscavige in prison would be a swell ending!

      • stillgrace

        If anyone hasn’t read this whole WWP thread (started by Marc) from the beginning, and you are currently in need of some serious laughs, I highly recommend it! Link is provided by TheHoleDoesNotExist (I have a difficult time shortening the name) above.
        I just re-read the thread, and damn, I belly-laughed again.

  • Theo Sismanides

    ? wonder how L. Ron Hubbard’s reincarnated body will make it to come to life when SO members are forced to have abortions…. what a joke!

    • TheNextMrsTomCruise

      Good point, Theo! Maybe it will be another Immaculate Conception? Has anyone noticed a big star anywhere?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Tom Cruise?

        • mirele

          Suri. :)

      • ze moo

        Just follow the three wise private investigators, they’ll lead you to the reincarnated one.

    • Midwest Mom

      Wasn’t he reincarnated in a South Park episode as a cartoon?

    • mook

      he already has come back to earth and his name is Kirstie Alley (lmfao)

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Well there were those rumours of “Ron” liking to dress in Drag!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Good on you Theo….nice post.

  • http://twitter.com/BradGreenwood2 Bradley Greenwood

    I get the nagging impression that Mr. Sweeney’s book may pack a punch even larger than “Inside Scientology” (which was atomic itself), and the Cruise divorce. How NICE that would be: delivering a big boat load of entheta to mini-mind for the new year.

    • Rick Mycroft

      “Even if you looked at it and read it, you would not understand anything in
      it. Because it is way above a normal person and you would not know what it
      meant!”

      Oh wait, that was Rex Fowler’s wife to police about the contents of his briefcase.

  • dagobarbz

    Anon Orange and Angry Gay Pope visited Twin Peaks. Lo! There are more of those security blades set on the insides of the surrounding fences. AGP asked a woman inside the fence, “Why the blades?” Her response? “Because of bears.”

    They’re apparently imprisoning bears in there as well as inconvenient wives. They said it was a weirder place than Gold Base, and Gold Base is pretty damn weird.

    • Captain Howdy

      Imprisoning bears ? Now they’ve crossed the line !

      • dagobarbz

        inorite? WE’VE BEEN COMPLAINING TO THE WRONG GOVERNMENT AGENCIES!
        Somebody call the Fish & Game Dept!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Hey those guys in Fish and Game have more authority than the NSA.
          Lets convince them of the danger to Squirrels……not to mention dogs and cats.

          • dagobarbz

            As you surely know, security blades are useless against the wily squirrel!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              But of course…iR1

    • Sherbet

      Yogi and Boo Boo Bear just signed over their residual checks to the church. What are their crimes? Stealing pic-a-nic baskets, of course.

  • LemonLemon

    So it sounds like either the vaults aren’t finished OR the etchings aren’t finished OR the decision as to which writings to include isn’t finished. Hmmm does that sound like OTHER CoS projects? Ideal Orgs? Super Powers Buildings? That whole “clearing the planet” thing?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      The only thing they finish clearing is bank accounts!

    • Rick Mycroft

      If they haven’t been filling the vaults with titanium cases holding steel plates, then what have they been spending the money on?

      All we’ve ever seen are pictures of one case and a few plates on tours of the orgs to suck more donations. If there really were vaults filled with hundreds of feet of rows of racks of titanium cases, David Miscavige would have shown pictures of them in his presentations, because it would have looked darned impressive.

      • Captain Howdy

        “If there really were vaults filled with hundreds of feet of rows of racks of titanium cases, David Miscavige would have shown pictures of them in his presentations,”

        Good observation. Probably more like racks and racks of the most expensive wine and bubbly and pallets stacked with cash and the occasional mummified corpse that DM dances with under the silvery moonlight..

        • http://twitter.com/media_lush media_lush

          Mr Howdy, I think someone might be impersonating you on The Sun comments http://grab.by/iFk6

          …. also I’m disappointed they chose to not post mine so I’ll share it here: To all the Ronbots posting here saying things like “Scientology only talks to those who wish to listen, let them be” and such your cult is disintegrating. Your previous denials of “disconnection” policies have been shown as lies [by the very psycho Tommy Davis who John Sweeney interviewed way back for the BBC…. who incidentally has also “blown” the cult. Your cult is being investigated for human trafficking by the FBI as well as other offences and Belgium is taking you to court for being a criminal organisation…. wake up and smell the coffee!

          And if you’re still in and have access/clearance to the celeb [Cruise/Travolta etc] confession tapes and videos you should know you’d get a fortune for them …. also the rumoured intimate tape of Cruise and Miscavige would be worth millions.

          Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4719205/scientology-tom-cruise-alien-cathedral-new-mexico-hello-message.html#ixzz2GbbXzHqj

          • Captain Howdy

            Nope it taint I, and this moniker is fairly common on the interwebs, and it ain’t “Mr” it’s “Captain”, ML.

            Happy New Year

      • LemonLemon

        I think, rather than using the money to fill the vaults with bullshit, they are using the money to fill DM’s pockets. They should just skip the whole regging scam, and embroider DM’s actual pockets with the word “Donations” and have people deposit directly.

  • 1subgenius

    “And there was another problem: in a post-nuclear-war future, there would presumably be no electric grid. So devices had to be fashioned that could use solar power and still play back Hubbard’s lectures on CD, for example.”

    I said it once before but it bears repeating now (Jack White):
    “Post-nuclear-war future”?
    How would that happen if they are going to clear the planet?
    And if they are not going to clear the planet there is no point to Scientology.

    • aussiecase

      I would like to repeat the following link:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciupsqkLLkQ

    • John P.

      Exactly right. The obvious contradictions inherent in Scientology “theology” are part of what makes mockery so much fun. There are contradictions in any religion’s scriptures, to be sure, but because of the process of editing that has taken place over many years, they’re much less blatant than those inherent in the output of one man who was bloviating ad hoc on whatever random synapse firing crossed his brain, without regard to how posterity would view it. So the contradictions that have been smoothed over in religions are sharp and in jagged, bloody mind-slicing contrast here. It makes it just so much fun to mock.

  • richelieu jr

    They should have showed up with a red-headed six-year old liar…

    “I’m baaaa-aaack!”

  • http://twitter.com/SnippyH Snippy Haines

    Here’s a recent mellow YouTube with multiple low flyovers. It’s lovely.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biLE4UR-C7M

    • stillgrace

      Thanks for the link! What a fabulous interpretation of a Steely Dan song in the background!

      • Chocolate Velvet

        Ah, yes that is some nice music. Such peaceful, yet weird footage. And Steely Dan. It’s the little touch that means so much! ;)

      • John P.

        Holy crap! An incredibly subtle way to weave Steely Dan, the Official Band of the Tony Ortega Underground Bunker Community into the video… I have only listened to “Third World Man” about 10,000 times since “Gaucho” was released in 1980 and probably only seen them perform it live 50 times since they reunited in 1993. But the folk-ish flamenco-y acoustic rendition almost got past me. I must be slipping in my old age…

        • stillgrace

          LOL. I love it when musicians re-invent my favorite songs successfully. I love it even more when musicians take songs I hate and then turn them into ones that I LOVE. That’s why I’m such a huge “Dirty Loops” fan.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          A rather wonderful rendition.

        • Chocolate Velvet

          Hey John P, Happy New Year!
          Hope to see more of your killer, unmitigated Vajra analysis in 2013, cutting the cult to pieces… :)

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I can’t stop watching and listening to this!
      This is too awesome..and I love his ending.

    • http://surisburnbook.tumblr.com/ nobs

      It’s interesting to me how many people who have no connection to scn find something in the nuttiness that captures their attention. This guy is into planes and Steely Dan and guitar music and other cool stuff — nothing to do with co$. I couldn’t find any explanation for his flyover other than he was out flying around and there it was. And now another person has told hundreds more people about the weirdnesses of the cult. Awesome!

      How did you even find this?

      • http://twitter.com/SnippyH Snippy Haines

        I believe it was unearthed :) by someone at WWP or RFTP, but it may have come up as a YouTube recommendation. It was a late night find so …. Anyway, makes me want a Cessna bad.

        • http://surisburnbook.tumblr.com/ nobs

          Unearthed…good one.

          Yeah, a Cessna, exactly.

      • ArtoisDetois

        Yeah, it seems like he was just tooling around – It makes sense since he made so many low passes, he probably didn’t even realize who they were, and that they probably have guns down there.

        • ArtoisDetois

          And this guy is a fan of Mark Knopfler too, how cool.

          • stillgrace

            Ooh, Mark Knopfler … the King of tasty guitar fills!!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              uhmmm Hummmmm….:)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Wow. Jim Gill: “”L. Ron’s? playroom, is a bunker filled with sand. He’s become a third world man…..”. The jazz solo guitar work is of Steely Dan’s “Third World Man”. I also liked his comment, which I think pretty much sums it all up: “This some crazy stuff”. Indeed, pilot man, indeed.

      • ArtoisDetois

        As a die-hard Steely Dan fanatic, I really enjoyed that interpretation of Third World Man. Nice. (And the flyover, too.)

    • DeElizabethan

      Lovely. Perfect filming and nice music, thanks.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I am just totally disturbed by the thought of that little satanic six year old running around somewhere on teegeeack.

    • mirele

      Little red-headed, KOOLs smoking, upskirt-looking satanic six year old.

      • Midwest Mom

        I just saw a kid like that at Walmart. He was wearing a Green Bay Packers shirt and sweatpants and was holding up the checkout line demanding Skittles. You don’t suppose…

    • Captain Howdy

      Someone wrote that when they visited Crowley in Egypt or perhaps it was Morocco, that Crowley’s approx. 6 yo son marched around the house proclaiming, ” I am the Beast !, I am the Beast ! “. lol.

  • Dean Fox

    Wouldn’t be surprised if the vaults were empty, though -‘m sure the money to fill them has been collected many times over. Miscavige must be gutted that he didn’t fill them in the ’80’s because gold has more than quadrupled in price since then.

  • JustCallMeMary

    Thanks for filling us in on the whole story. I forgot about Dylan Gill’s terrific interview on this when I read the Sun article.

  • music8r

    Look closely at the name of the road that parallels Rim of the World Highway and leads to the entrance of Rim Forest. SQUIRREL INN ROAD!

  • sugarplumfairy

    Haaha.. I love it when you tell their secrets..

  • BuryTheNuts2
    • DeElizabethan

      Yea, beat away! Another good one and could comment. Thanks BTN

  • EnthralledObserver

    Happy New Year!!!
    We’ve just clicked over here is Oz, so I sit here now eagerly awaiting the timely and messy demise of the cult. Please. I shall give you all twelve months to get the job done and report it here.
    ;) :p

  • mook

    all the morning shows are focusing on NYE in Times Square and there is NO sign of that billboard that the cult says they bought. womp womp womp….

  • BosonStark

    John and Marc should have used a side entrance.

    I was under the impression — although they certainly could have updated them since — that Hubbard’s lectures were stored on nickel records, and that they had a special record player with a crank, like an old Victrola? I also recall (from reading) the figure of 6 million dollars being collected/spent for this archival project.

    The writings are etched on stainless steel plates and in titanium cases, I’ve read. However the wiki says the writings are on discs, so I’m confused. I thought they were selling individual stainless steel plates with a page of Dianutty to members at one point, for some outrageous donation. Maria Pia said she bought one and then threw it away, when she woke up after the cult sucked her fortune away.

    The cult has to preserve the secrecy of this area, because it is one of the few secrets they have left, but Super Power is going to be a freak show that eclipses any of their secret storage facilities, unless Shelly and/or others are being “stored” there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barb-Snow/2262077 Barb Snow

    I haven’t been keeping up, I guess… I just learned today the title of Sweeney’s book : Scientology, the Church of Fear. Perfect, dead on.

  • BuryTheNuts2
    • Observer

      Holy crap! Davey’s eyebrows are positively terrifying in that pic! He should put them in ponytails or something.

    • DeElizabethan

      Whoa! What a Grrrreat article with pictures. Interesting comments in that many stink. Trolls galore.

    • Captain Howdy

      Davey demonstrating the size of the aptly named “Little Davey”.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        That almost calls for a rant…but it would be a “short” one.

      • ArtoisDetois

        Thanks for the nightmares. Reminds me of the movie “Office Space”

        Lumbergh – “You can just go ahead and move a little bit to the left. Yeah, that’s it. Great.”

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I have my very own cherry red “swingline” stapler………….Growls!!!

  • Midwest Mom

    Hi friends. In case you didn’t know, Derek Bloch left a lovely note to all here late last night and it is on yesterday’s comment section and he included a photo of himself with some of his cousins. :) Happy New Year!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks! Just went back and oh, this is worth going back for. It’s a Wonderful Life and it’s going to be an even better New Year. Derek Bloch is the poster boy for the ultimate Ex Scientology Success Story. Some day we’re all going to be saying “Oh yeah, I knew him way back when…”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=807833005 Jeff Jacobsen

    Some photos I took of the Creston site; http://www.lisamcpherson.org/cos/ranch.htm

    • BuryTheNuts2

      These photos rock. Nice job.

    • http://surisburnbook.tumblr.com/ nobs

      Great photos. And good questions? Where, or where, are the answers? Public records check?

    • DeElizabethan

      Priceless, a must see site. Thanks Jeff.

  • Observer

    I was born and raised in northern San Luis Obispo County, California, a mere stone’s throw from Creston. LRH’s death there is what first put Scientology on my radar in a significant way (though years earlier I’d escaped an attempted personality test administration in Seattle). At the time it was such a tiny place that the elusive L. Ron Hubbard’s death there was fairly shocking. When Scn started their legal battle to get Bare Faced Messiah yanked is when I became a serious watcher of the cult.

    I was in Creston this past summer and had the vague thought that I should go check out the ranch, but didn’t have time. Now that I know it’s got symbols that are supposed to lure in a certain reincarnated chain-smoking redheaded snake oil salesman, next time I’m out there I’m going with my camera and the longest zoom lenses I can get my hands on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Nrmmm Noah Miller

    The title of the Sun’s article is sort of hilarious. Not exactly a good title, but funny.

  • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

    I just want to take this opportunity, here at the end of 2012, to thank Tony Ortega for all his hard work this year.

    I have a feeling that he has put a lot on the line for his “beat” this year, and my feeling is that he has done this not out of a sense of his own gain, but out of his sense of responsibility to others, and to his society.

    He resists making the story be about him. He uses his talents and skills as an investigative journalist like a crazed terrier, to keep digging up and exposing the things that Scientology keeps trying to bury and hide.

    Scientology has never had to deal with anything like Tony Ortega.

    2012 has been a great year for the exposure of the deceptions of Scientology and the inoculation of society against its infectious ooze. And you, Tony Ortega, are one of the biggest reasons for that.

    I’ve learned a lot from Tony Ortega this year. And I am very grateful for that.

    So thanks for a great 2012, Tony.

    I am definitely looking forward to 2013.

    Alanzo

    • Observer

      Absolutely!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I second that absolutely.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I cannot “Ditto” your sentiments here enough…
      You said it all so very well.
      Special shout out to the literary gems: “crazed terrier” and “infectious ooze”.

      I will be raising my glass tonight in a toast of thanks to Mr.Ortega

      And thank you Alanzo… for all the wisdom you have shared as well.

    • Guildenstern

      I will definitely drink to that! Cheers to Tony Ortega!

    • http://surisburnbook.tumblr.com/ nobs

      Well said and thanks a bazillion to you too. Cheers Tony and all the great folks here!

    • Captain Howdy

      I duplicate your cognition a quadrillion x, Alanzo the Magnificent !

    • aussiecase

      Well said!

    • TonyOrtega

      Ah, Alanzo, yer killing me. Thanks much for that tribute. The cats and I are hunkered down for the New Year’s celebration, the hootch is holding out, the circuits are busy watching for this year’s Debbie Cook surprise, and we’re just grateful that so many of you share our interest in watching all things Scientology related. Let 2013 bring us its many surprises.

    • Ziontologist

      Thank you Tony for your relentless coverage, your transparent reporting, your inimitable style, and for providing a forum where we are free to explore our thoughts on the subject.

    • Chocolate Velvet

      Well said! I’ll drink a toast to that, later.
      Happy New Year to you Alanzo!

  • Cheshire

    Praise Xenu that Miscavige is such an ineffectual little person. For 2013, may the 12,000 people he continues to abuse realize that they are following an imbecile, and that they can get LRH’s rubbish for free. Keep up the relentless crush regging, Davey! You won’t have a cult to listen to your moronic 3 hour speeches, or buy your thousand-dollar shoes much longer!!!

  • Deckard_Cain

    The whole “LRH will come back” bullshit has always made me chuckle because does anyone actually think that there will be someone who steps forward, claiming that he/she is the reincarnated LRH, and actually take his or her rightful place in the Scientology hierarchy? Without a massive fight from Miscavige?

    It will take a very slick, intelligent, and emotionally disturbed conman (or woman), who is well versed in LRH’s massive work to finagle his or her way into making everyone believe that he or she is actually LRH. This is why the South Park episode is genius; because having a 3rd grade boy whose only charm is a potty mouth as able to get everyone convinced that he is LRH (without trying very hard)….this is sublime.

    It makes me wonder about Miscavige’s schizophrenic motivations. On one hand, he’s spending millions to build structures for LRH’s return, but on the other hand anyone claiming to be LRH will immediately be discredited, fair gamed, and set for ruin by Miscavige. I suppose expecting logical behavior from anything related to Scientology is asking for too much..

    • aussiecase

      I don’t know what Miscavige is up to, but I wouldn’t be overly surprised if he and Shelly are grooming the reincarnated Hubbard as we speak. Scientology appears in a desperate state and desperate measures are required.

      Of course the return of the messiah myth is not unique to Scientology, and it may simply be wise to not hold our breaths.

      When I was at Clearwater around 1990, it was common for my cohort (some friends) to claim to be past life clears. It was suggested I do so at several times. These people then go on to believe they were former Scientologists.

      Another former Scientologist mentioned that Scientologist collect famous past lives, so we likely have several JFKs, and a handful of Boudica’s, and possibly a Hubbard or two, walking about at various Scientology locations.

      This mess of imagined past lives is also dealt with at some point in Scientology, so if Miscavige approves [anoints] one, he simply has to point out the rest are imagined, or come up with something else that most normal people wouldn’t believe.

      • Captain Howdy

        “I wouldn’t be overly surprised if he and Shelly are grooming the reincarnated Hubbard as we speak.”

        AC, perhaps you’ve solved the Shelly mystery ! Instead of it being a case of foul play or imprisonment, she is instead grooming the young Damien Hubbard in seclusion at Twin Peaks, along with the rottweilers of course.

        • John P.

          What a dismal thought. Miscavige falls into the trap of setting up dynastic rule to keep it all in the family. Sort of like that other totalitarian cult called North Korea.

          • Captain Howdy

            North Korea, the communist monarchy with divine leaders ! Aside from all the suffering, death and torture, the place cracks me up.

        • ze moo

          Davey would never share the leadership of CO$. He is far too tyrannical. If Lron’s reincarnated self showed up 1 of 2 things would happen.

          1. Davey poisons him.

          2. Davey ‘manages’ him, just like he managed Stan Marsh on South Park.

          As there has never been any undisputed reincarnation, I don’t think we have to worry. The CO$ could not become something like tibetan buddism.

          • aussiecase

            I’m of the opinion that such a scenario is unlikely but should not be ruled out.

            Should it happen, DM has lots of ways to deal keep control, I am giving one example of how far the BS can go.

            First, if DM indoctrinates Hubbard’s successor he will control the successor, and he can come up with tonnes of BS. For example:

            The between-lives area is more dangerous than Hubbard expected and much of his memories were lost. We administered various BS tests and confirmed this successor is indeed the thetan formerly known as Hubbard. DM will have new rundowns and process to help scientologists attempt this transition, with luck they can transition to a sea org staff.

            DM can claim he offered the new Hubbard his resignation, but the new Hubbard didn’t accept it.

  • Captain Howdy

    So if David Miscavige is just a straight up conman, sociopath, non believing, non practicing, faux scientologist — which seems to be the general consensus among scieno critics — why is he spending tens or hundreds of millions to do this ? IT MAKES NO SENSE !

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xywqv1cDH8

    • BuryTheNuts2

      IMHO…He totally believed his own verbal vomit.
      Hell, at one time he was convinced he was Satan.
      The man was flat out NUTS!

      Oops, I was talking the other evil being LRH

      • Observer

        IMO he was a lot closer to being Satan than he was to being “mankind’s best friend”.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Exactly….he had it right the first time. He should have been with parsons in the lab on that fateful day.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Nrmmm Noah Miller

      If he stopped making it how would it look? To be honest once you’re spending the money it just becomes fun. I’m sure he loves being able to spend time on it and dink around and order people to make stuff. I also think he’s got some personal version of the tech in his head where he knows even better than anyone else what it “really” is.

  • Jonny Jacobsen
    • Captain Howdy

      Ha Ha… ! I’m sure you’ve heard this before, but it’s rumored that “Stairway to Heaven” was inspired by some some scientology chick they met in L.A.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Lol..”.. And she’s buying a stairway to heaven.. ” sounds about right..

      • Jonny Jacobsen

        No! Say it ain’t so!

    • TonyOrtega

      Actually, Jonny, I’m with Chuck Beatty, who points out the similarity between the CST logo and the Kools cigarette trademark.

      • Jonny Jacobsen

        That sounds plausible. What a relief: I wasn’t relishing sending a scolding email to Jimmy Page, who after all used to be (still is?) a great admirer of Aleister Crowley! :-)

    • Chocolate Velvet

      Happy New Year, Jonny! So glad you are here. :)

  • Chocolate Velvet

    This is off topic, but in case you missed the link I posted last night, I have a new post up.
    As food for thought, and as a meditation for the New Year, I offer my thoughts on the significance of the past, with some reflections on LRH and Star Trek: DS9 in the mix. Enjoy, and I wish you joy and blessings in the New Year!
    http://venusamaris.wordpress.com/2012/12/30/the-value-of-the-past-or-lost-in-liminal-space-with-commander-sisko/

    • Captain Howdy

      A Howdy Happy New Year to your and yours CV !

      • aussiecase

        Yes.

        Happy New year!

      • Chocolate Velvet

        Thanks cap’n! I hope you are having fun tonight, enjoying some good music and whatnot. Happy New Year! :)

    • ze moo

      Avery Brooks was my favorite captain. There was something about the writing for DS9 that beat all the others.

      • Semper Phi

        Agreed. My teenaged son and I have been watching all the Star Trek series in order. We are now midway through the last season of DS9, and I have to say it has displaced Next Gen as my fave. I didn’t appreciate how great it was when I was watching it for the first time. I’ll be sorry when it ends, but thank goodness for Netflix!

      • Chocolate Velvet

        Thanks cap’n! I hope you are having fun tonight, enjoying some good music and whatnot. Happy New Year! :)

        • Sokramor

          I’ve been lurking since Village Voice days, and now I just HAD to de-lurk to thank you for your eloquent and fascinating blog post. And for recommending DS9, of course ;) I’m in the process of re-watching it at the moment – I’ve been a Trek fan since my childhood, and DS9 has quickly become my favourite. Even the side characters have more depth than the main characters in other series.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      CV…I can’t give you enough rave reviews for this particular post (on your blog).
      I hope you have a lovely 2013. You are wonderful to behold.
      Suz

      • Chocolate Velvet

        Thanks! You are wonderful too, BTN, with your scathing comments and wicked humor. Much joy to you in the new year. I can’t wait for 2013, I know we’re gonna have a lot of fun here, thanks to Tony O. :)

        I just want to take a moment to say — I LOVE YOU TONY ORTEGA! You have done absolutely brilliant work this year. When I meet you — and I will, I have fantasies of a Rocky Mountain SP party with you as an honored guest — I will hug you soooo hard! I love people who live out their calling on the highest level. Tony, you are a journalist, in the ideal sense. Love Love Love to you, dear!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          absoluTELETY!!

    • http://surisburnbook.tumblr.com/ nobs

      I read your post on the significance of the past. It’s very thought-provoking and beautiful and clearly, it’s deeply felt. I will read it again and work on a better response. One thing I did think of was the use of happy or pleasant memories in hubtard’s self-analysis.

      Your description of DS9 makes me want to order it from Netflix…immediately. Thank you for pointing us to this lovely work (Your post, not DS9). Here’s a small part of T.S. Eliot’s Four Quartets (I think that’s where this is from): We shall not cease from exploring, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.

      Peace to you too.

  • BosonStark

    After the nuke hits, who is going to water all that land so that symbol even stands out, so Dr. Hubtard can see it from his spaceship?

    • John P.

      You’ve discovered another obvious hole in the whole scenario.

      In computer science, when designing software, one always looks for a “single point of failure.” Those are really bad. You have to find a way to make a system, particularly a distributed system built of large numbers of distinct computers, like Google or most other large web sites, able to continue to function, if any component fails, and then if arbitrary groups of components fails. In reality, no matter how carefully you design out single points of failure, there’s always more of them lurking inside the system. And the more you design out of the system, the more horrendous the single points of failure that remain will be when they’re finally triggered.

      Eliminating single points of failure is exactly like what one has to do when one is trying to deal with an epochal disaster like a tsunami, etc. These “disaster preppers” that are on that TV show are prime examples — they anticipate as many risks as they think they can but there are always immense weak spots in their thinking. Like the guy who is salting away tons of guns so he’ll be OK after the asteroid hits the earth, but doesn’t remember that dust kicked up from the impact will start a new ice age, so the lubricant in the delicate firing mechanism of all his guns will freeze solid the first round he fires. Etc.

      In fact, part of what makes this part of the cult story so lovably laughable is the fact that this is a case of instutionalized “disaster prepper” survivalist craziness, with far bigger budgets than the average goofballs giving in to their paranoia.

      • ze moo

        Software itself seldom has a single point of failure. It is the physical universe and acts that disrupt or destroy location or communication that are the problem. Phone and data communication for NYC and Long Island were messed up for almost 2 weeks after the world trade center came down. The phone exchange in that area was destroyed by the falling buildings.

        Colocation services and disaster planing to really guarantee 24/7 communication took off after that. Of course, if the disaster is wide spread enough, no fail over plan will work. There are a huge number of very important file servers in the NYC area for financial firms. Many of them colocate to Northern New Jersey for fail over disaster planning. That works great until a hurricane wrecks both NY and NJ.

        The Germans were 20 miles from Moscow in December 1941, then the -20 degree weather hit. Their lack of decent lubricants and warm cloths wrecked their only chance for quickly winning the war.The Russians knew to cut their gun oil and gun grease with gasoline or kerosene and they could continue fighting. Stalin was prepared to evacuate the government to the Urals and continue the fight. But he did try ‘peace feelers’ earlier in that fall and decided that he could continue to trade land for time. Once Russia had enough airplanes and tanks, they couldn’t be stopped.

        When your planning requires your opponent to quit the fight because they are tired of casualties, you have already lost. Few wars end before one side runs out of resources. Russia and the USA had plenty of resources left at the end of WW2. The Nazi and Japanese plans for war required that:

        1. Russia was like a rotten door, one kick would open it.

        2. The USA was too soft and self-absorbed to fight for long.

        Both nations eventually realized that they were badly mistaken.

        The CO$ strategy has always been a ‘I am a big dog and I can hire more lawyers and have more resources then you”. Their opponents are now a world wide pack that would require hundreds of lawyers and lawsuits to intimidate. The CO$ doesn’t have the resources to intimidate on that scale and every time they do try to intimidate the story gets out and their number of money paying ‘customers’ drops. They are damned what ever they do. And I like that, winning only requires continued ‘natter’ and good press.

  • Georgia Beebe

    A couple of questions….

    1.) If Ron did come back, what would happen to Davey? Seriously, is he supposed to step aside, and allow the new improved Ron to take back over? Or would be he act as the regent until Ron came of age? Or would there be like a Flash Gordan battle of the titans thing?

    2.) How were those symbols made? I mean if you came across one of them, would it just look like a dirt road? Wouldn’t someone need to maintain them? Do you think that they are maintained by RPF people who run in a circle?

    Am I cyncical?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      No, but you may be cynical.

      Sorry, I have had an awful lot of coffee today.

      • Georgia Beebe

        Sorry for the bad spelling. Typing fast at work. *walking away, shame faced*

        • BuryTheNuts2

          AWWW, now I feel bad for being an asshole….

          :( I am sorry. Besides…l am probably the terribleist speller on this blog…square?

          • Georgia Beebe

            Sure. I was hoping for someone to answer my questions, I have always wondered about the David and Ron dynamic.

            • ArtoisDetois

              Ron did not pick David to be his successor.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              David had a bad asthma attack…he had to be treated for it.
              After his “experience” he said out loud..”Power is Assumed”.

              and so he did…

  • Cheshire

    Off topic a bit – I was reading about scilon commissions (see below). Do they pay income tax on this stuff?

    “Here is an example: You send your preclear into a nearby org, and she buys an Academy Training package for $8,000. You receive a 15% commission on those services, which is payable when she arrives at the Org
    to do them, ($1,200.00). If you were to send 20 preclears a year into the org for similar packages, you would have $24,000 in income just from selecting your public to train.”

    “You audit two preclears for the IAS rate of $3,200 for a 12 1/2 hour intensive. You pay 10% to IHELP, which gives you 90%.That’s $5,760 income for 1 week. You audit three preclears for the IAS rate of $3,200 for a 12 1/2 hour intensive. You pay 10% to IHELP, which gives you 90%. That’s $8,640 income for 1 week.”

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Off topic a bit – I was reading about scilon commissions (see below). Do they pay income tax on this stuff?

      The answer is “of course not”. Because they give all the money they earned right back to Scientology bringing them to an annual income of “Squat” (Squat is a prime number).
      Hence….no taxes.

      • Cheshire

        “Making flows to your account regularly for your training and processing services IS making a flow towards your spiritual freedom.”

        • DeElizabethan

          Right. Bottom line, the cult makes ALL the money and no taxes.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I like my version of spiritual freedom better.
          I can believe whatever I want, whenever I want…and then I can even change my mind….all for free.

  • ArthurApplebee

    “according to one Scientology theory, Sea Org workers get 21 years leave between life assignments, which would put the new Hubbard at about 6 years old.”
    There are two things wrong with this statement. First, the “21 years leave” was so that the Sea Org member could find and grow up a body and show up in 21 years as an adult, ready for work. It was not so that the person could have 21 years “off” and then look for a body.

    The second thing wrong is that Hubbard never was “in the Sea Org” and never, ever considered that he was. He would never have considered himself the effect of any of his rules. Think of it like the POTUS is “Commander in Chief” over the armed forces but is not a member of the armed forces.
    Just to nitpick.
    Arthur

    • TonyOrtega

      That first correction is HI-larious. But as for the second, we’ll point you to this, which is what we were thinking of… http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy357/bankofphotos/SO_card_1.jpg

      • ArthurApplebee

        LOL! The whole thing is ludicrous.

        From what I’ve read, Hubbard didn’t even think of himself as a “Scientologist”.

  • Midwest Mom

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqUuFJZxHjc

    EXCLUSIVE!

    (Indonesia) We have received news that the child believed to be the reincarnation of Cult of $cientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard has died today, from a fatal mix of Coca Cola, Kool cigarettes and Mentos candies.

    An unidentified 8 year old from the remote Indonesian village where Hubbs lived, told this reporter that the young Hubbs had been a heavy smoker since he was a baby and had recently begun mixing his favorite pastime of smoking with drinking the soda pop and candy concoction, preferring the gray and pink colored Mentos, as he inhaled his unfiltered cigarettes.

    We have been able to obtain this footage of Hubbs, from a few years ago, when he was approximately 2 years old, however we are not sure of his exact age at the time of his death earlier today. Cult of Scientology spokesworm Karen Pouwderpouf responded with an indignant one word retort of “Bollocks!” when asked for a comment regarding the boy’s death.

    L. Ron Hubbard, dead once again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bob.gravlin Bob Gravlin

    And DM’s wife continues to be in hiding and for 5 years. And how nice would it be if some federal agency demanded her in person for some business, and if she failed to show they could have the FBI investigate. . Alternatively someone could file a missing person’s report to find out where she is. I can just think of what would happen if I kept my dear wife in hiding for 5 years. I could imagine the kidnapping or false imprisonment charges, or at the very least the domestic abuse charges which would come down the pike. But I suppose COS because of it’s money is above the law. BTW I have no intention of doing that to my dear wife. That would mean years on the couch if not worse!

    • Dylan Gill

      when I was recruited for CST I was on staff as a messenger in florida. while I was a messenger we had lots of contact with all of hte command structure and the local orgs. After getting my clearence sec checks and getting approved to go to LRH ARCHIVES ( as most Sea ORG and public scientologists know it) I was out of contact with everyone. it was like I disappeared. most of the staff did not leave the main base in rimforest. I did as I was the Estates sec. I went to the INT base Quite often doing research in the household unit for the LRH houses. I also hand routed my weekly reports Via ASI to RTC. the others that left the base were the CO (russ belin at the time) and the D/COI ( tom vorm) other then that noone really left the area. it was not like we were in a prison ame time it was just like that. We did not look at it that way. It really makes sence that Shelly is there of her own will. if you look at the dates it is about the same time that the upper CST execs were taken off post that Shelly was sent up there. The D/COI at the time was Jim Issacson. He was busted to Estates Sec because Bruce bolger and I were sent to the RPF for really stupid reasons. this left one person in the estates division and three in the external estates division. There were not many people that fit the quals to even be considered for CST. Sending Shelly there is not that much of a reach is all I am really saying.

      • DeElizabethan

        Thanks for your story and it makes sense from your perspective. Good to hear from you and glad you’re free.

  • Dylan Gill

    to be clear it was always the intention that LRH would be raised at the MAIN CST base. There are LRH Advices only for CST and they cover this. The LRH houses at each base would be the same idea as a LRH office in each org. now there are at least four vaults that are completed and housing all the LRH materials. also in the vaults are tape decks real to reals, Cd players etc. All per the Advices for that ORG. At the NM site there are back up GEN SETS and fuel to power the base for months or even years. the vaults are all designed not to need any power etc to keep the materials safe. Sorry I missed that trip I really would have liked to go out there and see the base again. I also know of a few ways to bypass the main gate etc. oh well.

    • TonyOrtega

      Thanks for that update, Dylan.

      • Dylan Gill

        love your work Tony O. wishing you a great new year!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks for these tidbits, Dylan. Reel to Reels? Really. They may already be useless. When I first saw pictures of all these properties, lavish landscapes and top grade homes, all I could think of was the 10 bunkbeds to a room Sea Org pig sty quarters. Hope you get another passover some day soon.

  • SP ‘Onage

    I hope John Sweeney and Marc Headley are going to turn this adventure of their time together into a documentary or a investigative report, that would be a real treat. :)

    Wow, tiny fists must be running in (Trementina) circles right now…lol! It’s all going to catch up to him in 2013, wanna bet.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      You know….the more I think about the combination of Sweeney and Headley..well….the more it makes me smile.
      Those two together sound like a wonderful combination of all kinds of terrible trouble.
      I LIKEy!

  • BuryTheNuts2

    OMG…thanks to Vance Woodward…I just found out about private messages on Twitter.???
    Who the hell knew…? Apparently I had a few I never read…whoops and sorry.

    GOD I AM SUCH A DORK!!!
    So because he (Vance) taught me something new…His blog rocks…all of it…not just the Scion crap.
    Read his travel stuff….

    http://www.vancewoodward.com/

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Oh and his legal observations are cool too..
      but only if you are into legalise geek speak…just a warnin’

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Happy New Year to all. Here’s to every scientology Hell Hole obliterated forever. Tommy Davis once lied (okay, maybe a few other times) and said “The Hole Does Not Exist”. By the end of 2013, I want to say: “The Holes Do Not Exist” … and I won’t be lyin’, I’ll be smilin’.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      “Tommy Davis once lied”…
      HOLE…let me work on that one for my next glass of wine,,,,,(0nce)??
      In 2013…You and I join forces and take WWP to NEW LEVELS..
      Capish?
      oh and…the hubby is returning his compy…He hates * so much he refuses to take part in it yet…..

  • Sherbet

    Hey, all, I just want to wish everyone a happy and healthy New Year. I’ve learned a lot from the Rodeo riders and the Bunker bunkees, and I’m having (as we say in Bawston) a wicked good time. And waiting for that big bag of gas and laughable promises that calls itself a church to go boom! like the Hindenburg. Oh, the inanity!

    • Captain Howdy

      Well Sherbert, it doesn’t look like this tired ole punk is going to make it to midnight so a “HAPPY NEW YEAR” to you and the the rest of the Degenerates and a “Big, Big Love”.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJncHEZ3URs

      • ArtoisDetois

        Pixies…. awesome!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          jack black ..aheyyyy

      • BuryTheNuts2

        me Neither man…..I am gonna pass out in about a Half an Hour…..Happily…

        With my future ex husband who may end up being my future next husband…Who Knew…!

        Thanks to CV to make me “think”…….She rocks….
        It is all about thinking….happy New Year to all of you…

        • Captain Howdy

          Happy New Year B and Sweet Dreams and everyone else

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Muah.captn…

        • ArtoisDetois

          You rock too, BTN, and so does everyone in this rockin’ commenting group

          • BuryTheNuts2

            so do you…AD…So do You..
            happy New year,,,,:)

      • Sherbet

        Oooh, I love being a DM-riling, TC-mocking, cos-skewering degenerate! I’m heading for the last roundup here, too, so Happy First Night back atcha. And to all, a good night.

  • California
  • Orange

    Why do I have a feeling that they’re going to put this in the next Fallout game?