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‘Going Clear’: Spanky Taylor on John Travolta, Priscilla Presley, and escaping Scientology

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We’re just two days away from Alex Gibney’s documentary about Scientology, Going Clear, airing on HBO on Sunday at 8 pm. Today we have another screenshot from the movie for you, and it features Sylvia “Spanky” Taylor, someone we’ve known for a very long time.

Her involvement in Scientology and friendship with John Travolta are told masterfully by Lawrence Wright in the book that Gibney’s film is based on. Her tale was also one of the most surprising things to show up in Larry’s book, at least for us. Spanky had been a source for some of us reporters for a long time, helping us understand how Scientology worked, especially in Hollywood. But she had insisted that she never wanted to be written about. For Larry Wright she changed her mind, and we’re glad she did. Her story is a crucial part of the book and also one of the best parts of the film.

We wanted to fill in just a few details you might be hungering for about this really unique person who has been careful about releasing information about her life.

Sylvia Yvonne Theresa Piñón was born on January 22, 1953 in San Jose to a father who was employed by the city to repair automobiles, and a mother who had been a migrant worker and toiled in a cannery before she learned to invest in real estate. Sylvia picked up the nickname “Spanky” in school, and by only 14, she was finding herself becoming curious about Scientology because of the guys she met in People!, a local band.

“Al Ribisi played keyboard. Robbie Levin played bass — he went on to play for Rick Springfield — and his brother Geoff was a guitar player. They were all Scientologists,” Spanky says. “I was all about local music. I was also an activist. I wanted to stop the war, I was organizing student strikes in high school. And I think that’s why Scientology appealed to me. The guys said it was about fixing things.” They were also charismatic and good looking, and through Scientology they were attaining super powers on the OT levels. As she explains in the film, that sounded good to her — she wanted super powers too.

“And then I started to get to do concert promotion. I was very young. They would pay me with tickets. I was truly innocent and untouched by human hands,” she says with a laugh.

By 15, she was working on staff at Scientology’s Santa Clara mission, and then a few years later, in 1971, she signed a billion-year contract to join the Sea Org. The guys in People! had joined the Sea Org as well, and had convinced their superiors that they were more valuable staying together as a band and putting on concerts for Scientology recruiting. Spanky, meanwhile, continued to do concert promotion through a Scientology front called Axioms Productions.

“We booked Scientology performers on college tours,” she says. And one of the wildest acts she handled was a large ensemble that put on a show that was part circus, part musical revue that called itself the Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo.

The act was the brainchild of Richard Elfman, who is to this day an avid member of the Church of Scientology.

“We used to do these large college tours. They were part of the tour, and they were being used to disseminate Scientology,” Spanky says. “They were proselytizing on college campuses. I don’t know if they were all Scientologists, but they were on college tours booked by a Scientology company. And literature was handed out at their shows.”

Richard later gave leadership of Oingo Boingo over to his younger brother, Danny Elfman, who was not a Scientologist, and it developed into one of the most popular Los Angeles bands of the 1980s. Meanwhile, Richard’s son, the actor Bodhi Elfman, is a member of the church and is married to another well known Scientology celebrity, Jenna Elfman.

In 1972, the Axioms office was across the street from Scientology’s Celebrity Centre (not where it is today), and after Axioms dissolved in 1973, Spanky went to work at the Celebrity Centre itself. When she worked there, Spanky lived in squalid conditions at Sea Org berthing at a dilapidated place called the Wilcox Hotel.

“My being in the Sea Org was difficult for my parents. They used to come visit me, and then they’d go to visit my aunt, and it would get back to me that my dad would just break down and cry,” she says. Each of her parents had worked hard to overcome humble beginnings, and it was difficult to see their daughter living in such a dump. “He couldn’t stand the conditions I was living in. But they never told me I’d made a mistake,” she says.

On the positive side, at the Celebrity Centre, Spanky worked for Yvonne Gillham and it was a thrill.

“Yvonne was L. Ron Hubbard’s PPRO (Personal Public Relations Officer), and I was Yvonne’s PPRO. She was extraordinary. And the kindest person — she was not the typical Scientology executive.”

It was their job to bring celebrities into the fold and then keep them there, and that’s how Spanky met John Travolta a couple of years later.

He had been recruited into Scientology by Joan Prather — they were both young actors in a 1975 horror film, Devil’s Rain, also starring Ernest Borgnine, Eddie Albert, and William Shatner. It was Travolta’s first movie, and by the end of it, he wanted to learn more about what he’d been told about Scientology by Prather. While he was taking a class at the Celebrity Centre, Travolta landed his big break, a role in the TV series Welcome Back Kotter, which began airing in September 1975. Yvonne assigned Spanky to become Travolta’s Scientology “terminal,” and she began helping him navigate the weird experience of sudden fame.

In 1976, Travolta starred in a made-for-TV movie, The Boy in the Plastic Bubble, and started a relationship with the actress who had played his mother in the story, Diana Hyland. She was 18 years his senior. Spanky says they didn’t date long, but Travolta remained close to her. Hyland had already battled cancer and underwent a double mastectomy before meeting Travolta. Then her cancer came back. She died in March 1977 in Travolta’s arms.

“He went away to New York to film Saturday Night Fever. He was still pretty raw from Diana’s death,” Spanky says. Then, she remembers, another death affected them both: In August, Elvis Presley died. Spanky says Travolta heard from Priscilla Presley, who had divorced Elvis in 1973. She had found among her ex-husband’s things various books on Scientology and admitted she was curious about them.

“So John sent me over, and that’s how I recruited Priscilla Presley into Scientology,” Spanky says, and she makes it sound like Travolta was watching out for his friend, Priscilla.

“Wouldn’t some people say Travolta sent you to recruit Priscilla at a time when she was vulnerable?” we asked.

“Some people might say that,” Spanky answered.

Meanwhile, Yvonne Gillham was becoming increasingly ill, while at the same time Spanky was getting ready to have her first child. In October she gave birth to her daughter Vanessa, and that same month, while in Mexico, Yvonne suffered a stroke. She had insisted that she needed to go to “Flag,” Scientology’s spiritual headquarters in Clearwater, Florida, to get auditing that she believed would heal her. And Spanky wanted it for Yvonne so bad, she ended up yelling at an uncooperative Scientology official that by not agreeing to pay for a flight, she was in essence Yvonne’s assassin. Spanky believes this outburst would come back to bite her a little later.

For now, however, her good friend John Travolta was about to celebrate his biggest triumph yet — the premiere of Saturday Night Fever in December. It made him an even bigger international star than he already was.

In January 1978, Yvonne Gillham died of a brain tumor she might have survived if she’d sought medical treatment sooner. Over the next month, Spanky knew she was being looked at by Scientology management because of her earlier outburst, and she knew she was at risk. Meanwhile, she realized that Travolta wasn’t doing well. He was still depressed about Hyland’s death, and his own mother had also developed cancer. After promoting Saturday Night Fever in France, he told Spanky he was flying back to Los Angeles and wanted her to meet him at the airport. She swore that she’d be there. “Wild horses wouldn’t keep me from being there,” she told him.

But then, the next day, she got the news that she feared: She was being assigned to the Rehabilitation Project Force. The RPF was the Sea Org’s prison detail, and she would be forced to wear a black boiler suit, run from location to location, work at menial tasks, and eat table scraps. She also wouldn’t be able to communicate with anyone, including Travolta.

“You don’t understand. I have to get to the airport,” she said. No, you’re not going, she was told.

“I cried, I cajoled, I did everything I could, but nothing helped. They sent Joni Labaqui instead (a Sea Org official who today runs the L. Ron Hubbard Writers of the Future Contest for Scientology). I was told when he asked, where’s Spanky, Joni told him “She’s being handled.”

Spanky spent the next seven months in the RPF, housed on the top floor of the main, V-shaped building painted blue you see in great drone shots during the movie Going Clear. In the film, Spanky explains how terrible the conditions were for her, and even worse for her infant daughter. Also, she was pregnant again and was losing weight. She worried about losing both of her children. But then, church officials made a stunning request: Could she get a print of Saturday Night Fever that they could screen for the base’s workers? Shocked, Spanky explained to them that while she was on the RPF, she didn’t even have access to a telephone. But they arranged for her to use one, and she called Travolta’s office, surprising the people there. They hadn’t heard anything about her since she had failed to show up to pick up Travolta at the airport seven months earlier.

She was allowed to use Travolta’s personal print of the film if she agreed to see him, but at the last minute Heber Jentzsch told her to call Travolta (already after midnight, after the screening) and tell him that part was off. Spanky says Travolta was livid. Soon after that, she realized how ill her daughter was, and she decided to make her escape, which is dramatized skillfully in Gibney’s film.

Wright describes how Scientology officials managed to convince Spanky to “route out” of the Sea Org properly after her escape so she could remain in the good graces of Scientology. (She did it mainly, she says, because her husband at the time was involved in the legal bureau of Scientology’s Guardian’s Office and she didn’t want to cause trouble for him.)

Then, in October 1979, a Scientology official asked if she help recover John Travolta.

She learned that since her incident with the RPF, Travolta had been distancing himself from the church, and was no longer auditing. It worried the church executive, who offered to fly Spanky to Houston, where Travolta was filming Urban Cowboy. Spanky agreed.

“I didn’t know that he’d see me. I called the same woman who had helped me escape from the RPF, who worked for John, and she said I should try. So I wrote John a letter. I then asked her what happened. She told me he cried and he wanted to see me. So I flew to Houston.”

She brought him a tub of homemade cookies to the house he was renting during the filming.

“Let me look at you, he said. He gave me a big hug and said, Spanky, what happened? I told him I went to the RPF and I really believed that I was going to get better and help more. And then I asked him why he was getting away from the church. He said, ‘You weren’t around.’

“He said he would go back and get services,” Spanky says, explaining that she convinced him to buy a large amount of auditing to ensure that he’d get involved again.

“I regged him,” Spanky says.

We wanted to make sure we got this right. After making her dramatic escape from the Sea Org, when she thought the lives of her children were in danger, just a year later she went to Travolta and hit him up for a large donation to the church to pay for auditing, “regging” him like she was a “registrar” (sales specialist) for the church?

“Yes.”

“How much was it?” we asked.

“It was a lot.”

Spanky says they talked for hours. Then, the next day, Travolta had her brought down to the Gillie’s set to watch filming.

She then received a letter from L. Ron Hubbard which said, “Well done.” She was asked if there was any reward she wanted for her effort.

“I asked Hubbard to FES John’s folder,” Spanky says. (A “Folder Error Summary” would find if there had been any errors in Travolta’s auditing.) “That’s how wackadoo I was. Oh, absolutely, that will happen, they told me.” (Just a few months later, in February 1980, Hubbard went into permanent hiding until his death in January 1986.)

“It’s embarrassing to think about now,” she adds. “They sent out someone to audit him, and I was Dead Agented in no time at all.” In other words, Travolta was told not to trust her.

She found out about it, that she’d been secretly “declared” a “suppressive person,” when Priscilla Presley told her that when she ran into John and said she would set up a social visit by calling Spanky, he’d told her, “No, don’t go through Spanky.”

“It was a shock to both Priscilla and me. I thought John and I were going to stay connected.”

She says she did see him for a few lunches over the next few years, but the feeling wasn’t the same.

Spanky was having a difficult time adjusting to life outside the Sea Org, and eventually she began getting counseling. She was told that what she really needed was an intervention with a specialist who understood Scientology. She found that the local Jewish Federation was willing to help her find a specialist, and also find funding for it.

She still remembers the day when the intervention specialist walked through the door. It was Hana Eltringham Whitfield.

“You could have knocked me over with a feather when she walked in the room. She had been the Deputy Commodore!”

Hana Whitfield had left Scientology five years earlier, and then, with her husband, Jerry Whitfield, had developed an intervention program to help others leave the organization. Over the course of several days, Hana and Jerry helped Spanky learn about controlling groups and their methods, and taught her how to recognize how Scientology had handicapped her critical thinking skills with “thought-stopping” vocabulary and ideas.

“I had to do some real repair work to go from leaving the Sea Org to leaving Scientology. But I had the benefit of this incredible intervention.”

Spanky left Scientology for good in 1987. But it was more of a struggle than ever to find a way to make ends meet.

“I just started doing freelance publicity to earn a living,” she says. But she proved very good at it.

To this day, Spanky represents high-profile entertainers and manages their relationships to fans, including threat assessments for obsessive fan situations.

And she’s not used to being the one on the red carpet. At the Sundance Festival, she admitted that she wasn’t entirely comfortable with all of the attention she was getting because of the movie.

But we could tell that she was fairly beaming that the person joining her up by the big screen after the show was her daughter, Vanessa, the one she had had to rescue in 1978. And at a Los Angeles screening, both of her children hit the red carpet.

Hey, Travolta, Spanky is out in the open. Isn’t it time you spoke up yourself?

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 27, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Hana Eltringham Whitfield

    Hey darling Spank, Wow. Am delighted that you are talking about your life in Scientology and in such detail. Your experiences at Celebrity Center, Los Angeles, go to the heart of Hubbard’s intention to have celebrities front for him through thick and thin, funds unlimited. It’s not surprising. Hubbard was really only concerned about number one – himself, though he always pled otherwise. It’s both shocking and sad to see how little he really cared about others. Oh, I’ve spoken about his humanity as he FES’d someone’s PC folders for three days non stop, but the truth is that he really only hungered for the kudos and the glorification that followed. The skill, insight and knowledge he expended were all to fulfill his personal gratifications. Granted, he was very good at auditing, case supervising, and FESing, and applying the Data Series policies among other things. However, having no real heart for anyone other than himself, he was unaware of what his followers were going through. And if he did, he did not really care. It was all the greatest good. In his state of mind, he could not do otherwise. LRH’s, Yvonne’s and your goals and dreams for Celebrity Center were so far apart there was no way any of you including some celebrities could survive, not in Hubbard’s culture. You were all on the sticky end: Hubbard was not. It is a deep shame that you had to go through such terrible grief at the time. To me, though, your sanity shone through then as it still does today. Love you.

    • flyonthewall

      HANA! You are my favorite ex! I love you!

      • Super Power Wogsy

        i love her more than you.

        • flyonthewall

          well I love her infinity +1 so there

          • Super Power Wogsy

            …nope I still win…i love her infinity +infinity. Game over : )

            • flyonthewall

              aaarrgghhh! bested again

            • Super Power Wogsy

              no not really…you still have the blender.

            • flyonthewall

              nope, sold it for legos

            • Super Power Wogsy

              *gasp*

    • Juicer77

      Darn these onions I’m cutting… ETA: Can’t want to see you on the screen on Sunday! Thank you for all you have done.

    • Betsy

      Wow! ANOTHER honored name on the Bunker today! Hana, Rick Ross and Steve Hassan have been here too today.

      Somewhere I heard that you might have a book in the works. I am an advance buyer of it, so I hope you’ll be writing.

      And I saw your speech at Hamburg. Folks, if you want to need the Kleenex again, see that one.

    • One Human

      Hana, thank you for manning the lifeboat!
      We have many, many, thanks to give you!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Looking forward to your book. You are one of those lights that has shown through all these years. I was quite surprised when Tony featured you this week and learned all that you’ve been doing. You are another one that could have just walked away, and yet here you are. I have tried to explain or convey to those who asked why we didn’t leave sooner – it was because of the amazing people we were leaving behind. Scientology eventually weeds them out or spits them out. I hope we get to see them all escape and begin their recovery this year. Just wanted to hank you for all you have done.

    • Menna

      (my first comment got lost, so sorry if this is duplicated somewhere.)
      I’m happy for this opportunity to tell you that I look forward to hearing your comments, as you are very well-spoken without wasting words. The thing that impressed me most deeply was your emotional description of the child in the chain-locker story. Your tears tell a powerful story of compassion and remorse that is often a hallmark of former scientologists. I am a never-in, long-time watcher of scientology, and this is the one story I offer to anyone trying to understand the urgency of the need to eradicate this abuse.

    • Richard

      What I am writing here disturbs me.

      You, Hana, left Scientology in 1982. And I, sadly, joined the group in 1986.

      If I had known your story back then, in 1986, as you told it in the 2010 Hamburg Symposium, I would never have become a member.

      It is actually frightening to think of how many people that have joined the organization since then, when there was already strong evidence that Hubbard’s ‘religion’ was a total scam. But, unfortunately, very few people knew about it. And those who did speak out against Hubbard had a daunting outlook.in front of them.

      Back in 1986, if someone wanted to find out a bit more about Scientology, they had to buy a book. And these books were not readily available in a normal book store. And also, these books were few and far between. And even if you did buy a book, there was little way of checking out who wrote it. Was it an honest book or was it a book simply written to smear Scientology?

      There is such a big difference between 1986 and 2015.

      Any curious person today, who has unfortunately been presented to Scientology, would immediately click on Google and find out the truth.

      Unfortunately, I was introduced to Scientology at a time when information was not so readily available.

    • BFM

      Insightful, well-balanced comment Mrs. Whitfield. Delighted to see you making a post in the Bunker.

      On a personal note: you have been a great inspiration to me for getting out of Hubbard’s mind control trap.

      I am ceasing this opportunity to say: Thank you very much for speaking out despite all that they put you through for doing so. I admire you greatly.

  • Alice Morland

    Wow, even though I think nothing this cult does would surprise me, it still manages to blow my mind. John was a good person and I think he’s still that good person, horribly trapped in a very dangerous web. I hope he can get out WITH his children.

  • Robert Eckert

    Top of the Yahoo News feed for me just now:

    https://www.yahoo.com/tv/going-clear-scientology-114747708150.html

    “You’d think a shrewd guy like Cruise would have realized he was being used as an extra in what looks like a Leni Riefenstahl rally film.”

    • Ben Franklin

      Good quote from the article in review of Going Clear.

      “We know about the famous Scientologists, and John Travolta and Tom Cruise are shown here, in clips that present them in full glazed-eyed rapture over the genius of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. But the value of the film is its interviews with less celestial humans, members who, once entering the kingdom of Hubbard and Xenu, attest to being reduced to scrubbing rust off the hulls of boats and eating insect-strewn rotting food to stoke their faith.”

  • Juicer77

    This one’s for Miss Tia – not toads, but peeper frogs-to-be 🙂 (refresh) The waterfall is refilling, they will be covered shortly. Bumper crop this year! Hope your computer issues clear up soon.

    • Robert Eckert

      1subgenius is apparently shipping her his old one.

    • NOLAGirl

      She will be back soon. ; )

      • Juicer77

        I seriously just thought, ok I will just email her. *DERP* XD

  • David E Love

    Would like to comment on Baby’s comment here:> [BUT if you take a personality test, fall for the Bull Shit and sign up for Scientology.. in 2015.. I repeat.. You are a STUPID IDIOT] … I gree 100% that once the HBO airs into millions of homes around the globe that the truth of this evil will be exposed. However, the COS front groups continue to capture unwary victims with their Truth About Drugs campaigns in public schools, and much worse is the Narconon scam that dupes very ill victims. YES, of course most homes and cell phones have internet to research. The problem lies in desperation when an addict or their loved ones call a toll free number and the Name Narconon is not even mentioned. The money is wired or trasferred, and the victim arrives in a Narconon Cult Compund that begins Scientology indoctrination within the first hour in many cases. Some of these new rehabd don’t even call themselves Narconon, but they are 100% …. just used to scam the victims into not Googling the name Narconon. Only a few months ago, one of the Reg’s that had an office next to mine at NN TR has now joined the Sea Org ….. other ex-NN Victims are on staff at NN and others are staff at Orgs. So very, very sad to see and know that their lives may be far worse off down the line than when they entered Narconon. 🙁

    • Oh never take Baby’s comments at face value. She’s a sweetie and will switch her position the minute she thinks she’s offended you XD
      It’s part of her charm!

      • Juicer77

        I love me a good Baby rant. She’s got so much heart.

        • Menna

          i second that! Her voice on this blog is so welcoming and soothing. ESPECIALLY when she rants!

          • Baby

            Bawwwwwwwwhahhaha..thanks Menna.. Well Ya got it today.. I was pissed about something.. I don’t know what..but I was..

        • Baby

          sigh.. thank you Juicer.. Oh I thought you said HEAT..hahahhaha I just reread it.. Heart..awwwwwwww xoxoox

      • David E Love

        No, NO, NO, she didn’t offend me even a wee bit … not at all. Baby is a Sweetie and would never intentionally hurt anyone. I agree with her that people don’t do their research enough …. Baby just used stronger words, STUPID IDIOT 🙂 …. Even Me has used much stronger words when need be – LOL <3

        • Baby

          Glad I didn’t offend David.. see my above comment to Nat.. Jeeze.. If I wasn’t so old I would swear I need Midol.. Wait..I have an art piece.. I’ll find it..

          Here ya go..I’m the one in the middle..hahahha ( Original art)

      • Baby

        Awwwwwwwwwww I love you guys.. Seriously.. I can’t sleep.. and just got out of bed for the 3rd time..just layin there staring at the ceiling..

        sigh.. I am so tired.. I barely remember my rant..bawwwwwwwwhahahhaa.. but something pushed my buttons big time.. Wow.. hmmmmm

        I’m like ” Dead Baby Walking..” I’ll lurk for a little bit . My inner bitch is AWAKE.. xo

    • Sherbet

      David, sort of OT, but I’m glad to see you here for your drug treatment perspective. I’ve read recently in two respected publications that AA’s reputation is beginning to slip, even among health care professionals. There are, the articles say, more effective protocols for drug abusers. Without getting into a debate about AA (and I’ll just put this out: I’m a HUGE believer in AA, but I know not everyone is), I know there are lots of ads on TV for “boutique, designer” drug treatment facilities — the ones that do yoga and acupuncture and teach nutrition to the tune of about $40,000. Suddenly, I’m nervous that narconon might have a resurgence in popularity as people in search of drug treatment begin to assume all resort-type treatment centers are equal, and they are perceived as being more effective than AA. Your thoughts?

      • David E Love

        Yes, there are many alternative treatments. AA/NA can help a lot depending on the one. Some have Cafe’s where people just go to eat and chat to others in recovery. Some AA’s are slipping …. it’s a fluid world we live in. Also, there are some SUPER rehab centers that cost ZERO DOLLARS n Canada, with only a short wait. Someone just got out of one this morning and is a NEW PERSON. If you want or need info on reputuable and safe rehabs, I have a long list, just email me at: davidloveletter@gmail.com ….. Cherrs 🙂

        • Sherbet

          No, we’re all set here in the Sherbet family, but thanks for the offer. So I guess you’re saying there’s probably very little risk that narconon is able to ramp up its business by riding the coattails of (1) the boutique businesses, and (2) AA’s slippage. That’s good to know. Thanks for your perspective.

          • MaxSpaceman

            The landscape as David stated is changing. Sober tools and treatment alternatives are abundant. Recovery Coach/Recovery Mentors in New York are recommended by OASAS (NY State agency) now, regularly. There is a huge awareness in the treatment field that there. Must be alternatives to AA and NA, which only helps the opportunities for more people to get help.

        • One Human

          David, always glad to see you keeping the pressure on NarCONon!
          O/T question: Is there anything like the RPF at NarCONon?

      • generic sock account

        Scientology is so exposed and it’s such a joke in pop culture that I don’t see how any “raw meat” would get roped in today. One doesn’t even have to look into it very closely to know that it’s a weird, dangerous cult. That’s become common knowledge.

        I’m not going to read the manufacturer’s technical manual before I stick my hand in a blender, because I’m not going to stick my hand in a blender.

        • Sherbet

          I agree, but when I see technicolor ads for Promises and Addiction Centers of America and Serene Rainbow Holistic Treatment Centers (I made that one up), I think, Uh-oh, that sure sounds like narconon. Not narconon’s reality, of course, but the resort image narconon pretends to have.

          • generic sock account

            Serene Rainbow Holistic Treatment Centers? I would hang out there whether I needed treatment or not. That sounds awesome.

            • Sherbet

              It is pretty groovy. Quinoa?

            • generic sock account

              Oooh. Yes please. And a kale smoothie, if you have it. (I know you have it)

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Don’t forget the wheatgrass 🙂

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Have you tried the Dr Oz Green Drink? Soooooo good. I used to make it all the time : )

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Not yet, just googled the recipe though 🙂

            • Super Power Wogsy

              You should try it. Just make sure if you make it to use a good blender. I hate juicing just cuz it takes so long to clean. The Blendtech blender is my favorite (unfortunately its with the dad). It really blends well enough where you don’t need a juicer. Once my life smooths out, I planned on learning how to grow wheatgrass, so I have an endless supply of green juice available.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              I agree, cleaning a juicer is a pain–I have one of those little hand–held blenders, which is great when I’m pissed off, and want to vent my spleen on some innocent chunks of fresh fruit! (With the added bonus that it’s really easy to wash up afterwards–vital for lazy Monkeys!)

            • Super Power Wogsy

              us millenials call laziness efficiency. : ) I’m sorry I don’t understand how people still mop when they can use the swiffer. lolol. ok im going o/t. sorry.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              (Pauses to google swiffer) Good! I like being efficient, and the more efficient, the better 🙂

            • Super Power Wogsy

              …oooh yeah….get a swiffer sweeper…

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              I tend to shy away from items that have electric motors in them (my electricity bill is bad enough as it is!) and I’m quite a dedicated green freak 🙂

            • Super Power Wogsy

              The one I use doesn’t have an electric motor my friend : ).

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Cool–I’m getting one of them, efficient cleaning and saving the polar bears 🙂

            • Super Power Wogsy

              You should be able to pick up a box of wipes and a swiffer stick and you are ready to swiff swiff swiff! It’s efficient but you do add garbage to the planet. I just can’t stand mops. they are so icky to me.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              (guilty secret time… I have a steamer that I use for the laminate flooring, but I can’t use it that often as it’s bad for the wood! I can’t stand mops either–stinky things.)

            • Super Power Wogsy

              We have a steamer too…uugh….anyways i just checked the wipes, and it says it has no phosphate (i don’t know what that means).

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Phosphate is not good when it gets into the water table as it (like nitrates) can cause algal blooms that choke other life forms in the environment (fish usually).

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Dumb question: Does it make the wipes biodegradeable? (ducking)

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Not sure, although the manufacturing companies tend to make a big thing about that, as if they’re doing us all a great favour (and making the consumer pay more for it), while ignoring the fact that they should be producing ecologically sound, biodegradable products in the first place (rant over!)

          • kemist

            When I see those ads, and those about different prescription medication with all the side effects listed at the end, on the few american channels we have I find them weird.

            We never have such ads on canadian networks. When you need addiction treatment you get recommended some centers, covered by public health insurance so free of charge, by your refering physician. And they are not sauna and massage programs, they’re freaking rehabs.

            • Sherbet

              I’m sending Lindsay Lohan to Canada toute suite.

            • kemist

              You know, that would be a good thing for her, or for any celeb with an addiction problem. Seriously. A rehab is not supposed to be a glorified spa.

            • Sherbet

              I agree. Drying out is Job One. And then work on the emotional component to addiction.

            • generic sock account

              HR Manager: So, tell me about yourself. Why do you think you’d be a good fit here at Serene Rainbow?

              Me: Well, sir, to be honest, I’m kinda banking on the chance that Lindsay Lohan might show up someday. Hot redhead in need of emotional support? I’m your guy. I got that covered.

            • Sherbet

              Hmmm…I’m sorry, but I think you’d be a better fit at narconon. There’s more canoodling with the patients there. But we’ll keep your resume on file. Thank you for coming in.

            • Robert Eckert

              Medication advertisements were either illegal, or just not done, in the US not too many years ago, but now they’re almost the dominant commercials.

          • Missionary Kid

            They realized, like NarCONon, that there’s money to be made from insurance companies. Their goal is to make money, not necessarily to heal the sick, unfortunately.

        • Super Power Wogsy

          I agree and I disagree. This is going to be a scattered answer so prepare yourself (4 hours of sleep maybe 5). Had I done my research, yes maybe just maybe, I would not have been roped in. For a young person, walking into an org and meeting other young people who are talking about spirituality can be very refreshing and enticing.

          • generic sock account

            Yeah, but that was also several years ago, right? Like a decade ago? It doesn’t seem all that long ago on paper, but that might as well be a century ago.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              2007 (basically). You would be surprised as to how many people I have met though who didn’t know about Scientology in the last year. Even with all the crazy shit they read, they still find it interesting even after I told them what happened. There are a lot of “young” people who are still lost who are looking for answers. There are not a lot of places to go where you have “young” people talking about spirituality. Many of them are tired of taking meds and getting labeled. The lure of scientology is still there is what I’m saying. Just because it is 2015 doesn’t mean anything.

            • generic sock account

              Fair enough. I usually don’t know what I’m talking about it, but I try really hard to make it sound like I do. I’ll try even harder.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              lol. i’m not arguing jsock. im just giving a different perspective. If i had a dollar for everytime I was asked why i didn’t do my research by my ex when i was in i’d be twenty dollars richer. the real is who fucking does research on religion? now i do. but i know better so i do better. I usually write for lurkers anyways.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              **scratching head** …or maybe I am arguing…

            • Baby

              But sweetie.. There is a big difference between 2007 and 2015.. and wouldn’t someone google an organization before they joined? With exceptions * as stated in my rant..

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I was doing some heavy Myspacing back in 2007. : ) All I’m saying is that there is a generation of kids today looking for answers. Just b/c they read stuff on the internet about Scientology doesn’t mean it will stop them from walking into an org. The lure of young people talking about spirituality in an org is enticing. (Fyi, I internetted for hours and I was depressed in 2007. My google search on Scientology did not stop my curiousity). No one else had the answers at the time so unfortunately life had to teach me the hard way. (i was always a weird one anyways).

              I have had the chance to befriend some young people at my old job, and the amount of “emotional trauma” and stress that the 20 somethings these days carry, is a little scary to me. They are on meds, and they are NOT happy. When you dont have guidance, and you are not grounded in life, Scientology still has it’s appeal even with the internet. I’m not discounting the internet btw. It has “helped”.

              Jsock said “Scientology is so exposed and it’s such a joke in pop culture that I
              don’t see how any “raw meat” would get roped in today. One doesn’t even
              have to look into it very closely to know that it’s a weird, dangerous
              cult. That’s become common knowledge.

              I still disagree.

            • Baby

              SPW.. I just woke up..I wasn’t ignoring you honey… It’s all good.. Let’s just hope they don’t get roped in..

              You can hug them..and like a firm but lovely granny i’ll bop them on the head..xo

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i know Baby : ) We are discussing. I’m just saying jsocks shouldn’t make half statements like that…it’s all love.

            • MaxSpaceman

              And it s key to remember that even today, Dianetics, as nutty as Tony has demonstrated it to be, as old as it is – 65 years old – the book “reaches” some people, it speaks to many people, directly to what is bothering them, and those people will look further for help.

              The most amazing thing is — and it’s not just Dianets, Self Analysis resonates with some, Science of Survival resonates with others, Fundamentals of Thought with others — Scientology’s books, Hubbard’s Long Con, still reads like ‘truth’ to some thousands of people, around the world, in many different languages, every year.

            • Juicer77

              Yep, this is true of many belief systems, Max. If one is a “seeker,” belief is often a vision of what COULD be, not research into what IS. That important step is often skipped.

            • Allie

              Agree with you, Juicer. Those in scn today plus exes seem to have gotten into Scientology because they were promised many powers and skills and how they could change the world, i.e. clear the planet. That’s very appealling to those who are “seeking” a better way. Today a number of my friends’ kids in their late 20’s & 30’s are also seeking new/different ways to become involved. They are disenchanted with the world, govt, the economic situation, going to college, etc. and are looking for opportunities to travel, volunteer, alternate lifestyles. So these young people might be interested in scientology without knowing it was a cult. Exposure and awareness is key to their not getting involved in the first place.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              …and to add. Young adults and even adults are simply tired of the Church of Consumerism. They are looking for some meaning today and value in lives as well. Those same people can be attracted to Scientology and unfortunately fall into the trap.

            • Allie

              Absolutely. Everyone wants value and meaning in their lives. There are many different paths to take to find them. I just don’t want anyone to join a cult to find them.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Dianutty gives me nightmares and headaches when I try to read it (stalled in the first chapter).

      • Missionary Kid

        NA and AA’s reputations haven’t really slipped, IMO. What most people don’t realize is that they aren’t one organization, but loose conglomerates of people who have gotten together to form self-help groups. They have general principles that they follow, and the way that different groups operate varies widely.

        I’ve always looked upon AA and NA as only two additional resources that might be used to aid a person’s recovery. There are truly some wackos in NA and AA, but there’s also a lot more good people who are trying to stay sober without acting crazy. AA may or may not be the right place for a person to recover.

        There are people in AA and NA who take the $cientology view about drugs. There was an aide, heavily steeped in the AA attitude of no drugs who tried to talk an epileptic out of taking their anti-seizure medication at a detox facility that I was studying.

        Since every alcoholic in AA is self-diagnosed, and all too often the drinking that a person does is an attempt to self-medicate for an undiagnosed psychological condition, AA may well not be the right path for a person to recover from alcoholism because once they’re dry, the psychological condition may be revealed, and AA isn’t prepared to deal with it.

        I was involved with alcoholism treatment 40 years ago, when hospitals and nursing homes were losing bed occupancy due to shorter stays in facilities, they turned to alcohol recovery programs to fill beds. They often didn’t know what they were doing, but the insurance money was there. Alcoholism treatment facilities that were opened often were called “spin dry” operations because they took someone in, spun them through their program, then set them out on the street, bound to fail, and who continued to spin in and out of the facilities.

        • Sherbet

          Very intelligent post, Kid. Also, one of the “problems” with comparing AA to treatment is that AA’s tradition of anonymity makes it impossible to quantify its effectiveness.

          • Missionary Kid

            Exactly.

      • coonellie

        I used to be a fan of AA. I grew up in a place that had a large contingent of members. My best friend in the world eventually ended up in a 12 step program after suffering a terrible injury due to alcohol. It worked for a number of years, but it never addressed the problems that caused the drinking in the first place. Never, ever. She died a few years ago at a relatively young age leaving behind a husband and child. I still grieve and I still get upset when I think about it.

        When will we put real programs into place? Real counseling, real treatment?

        (and Sherb, I think the world of you, this isn’t against you at all, just responding).

        • Sherbet

          I understand. I don’t think we’re close to deciding what real counseling and real treatment are,unfortunately. My original question to David Love was whether he thought an addict would equate narconon with the advertised resort-type treatment centers, especially if the addict has lost confidence in AA/NA. I think that won’t happen, that enough people have had their eyes opened that narconon isn’t treatment. The only similarity between narconon and, say, Promises is the price tag.

          • coonellie

            Thanks, Sherb, for reiterating your question to David Love. I, of course, missed it entirely. I’m sorry. And, I hope you’re right about people getting the difference. I looked up a few of the places around me to see how/what they advertise and they actually creeped me out a bit. If it wasn’t Narconon it was some sort of pseudo-spiritual stuff. Sorry for jumping in and being emotional at the wrong place.

    • Baby

      I absolutely agree with you David.. 100% those sneaky bastards.. sigh

  • Sir_Real

    HBO added to cable today, out of popcorn so I must buy some today. (What wine goes well with popcorn?) Oh, and perhaps some STEAMED CLAMS for a movie-appropriate hors d’oeuvre!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I need to get the right kind of popcorn and also wine. Ready for Sunday!

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ll have a Cuba Libre when it’s done. No alcohol until the end.

    • Juicer77

      Try a pinot blanc, if you can get it. My fave! Or pinot gris is a good alternative which most places carry. Both of those are slightly citrusy and not too oaky like a Chardonnay. If you like reds, then go for a blend – they match up nicely with popcorn or most anything and are not too heavy for the average taste. The box wines are reasonably good, too 🙂 Try the Black Box brand in Malbec or Red Elegance. Don’t be afraid to got into a good wine shop and tell them what you like and are willing to pay. Some excellent bottles are around $15. Let me know what you decide, I love to live vicariously!

      • Richard Grant

        Now this is what I love about the Bunker comment section. You can pose a thoughtful question like “What wine pairs well with popcorn?” and receive a detailed, serious and helpful answer. Which includes the word “vicariously” and a tastefully deployed exclamation point.

        And this is exactly why I’m so constantly disappointed in the quality of the trolls we get in here. We deserve at least bilingual experts in the art of irony who would slyly attack Juicer for luring Sir_Real into a Black Box. Instead we get OSA second-stringers who need boxes under their butts to help them reach the keyboard to type things like, “I think your drinking the wrong wine by your popcorn LOL.” And they think they’re winning.

        • Juicer77

          The troll quality is sadly lacking. Tut, tut. I have hope for a few that participate in the occasional meaningful exchange. Black Box wine drinkers unite! (I save the $60 bottles for when the truly winey friends come over, not the ones that mix it with Sprite, heaven help them 🙂

          • Richard Grant

            I have hope for them, too. I’m grateful to the Bunkeroos who reach out to them — you can never know when and how a seed gets planted that may eventually help them break free. We should never forget the story of Tory and Andreas. I’ve flamed off now and then, but I usually feel bad about it afterward. Usually.

        • aquaclara

          And Richard, that is a lovely comment in and of itself.

      • Sir_Real

        Those happen to be two of my very favorite whites, good suggestion. Some champagne, secco or cava I love with clams too. Looks like a trip to Spec’s to buy a variety of the whites and sparkling, and a bottle of rioja or something just to spice things up. My friends still are puzzled by my interest in the cult but will come over to watch anything with all the booze and munchies offered! Their seeing Going Clear should give them a, ahem, clearer idea of why my fascination with that dirty, tiny little cult is so keen. I’ll be glad to expose them to this movie.

        • Juicer77

          🙂 I forgot to mention Antica Cantina Ceci Amabile (light red sparkling). Love it, love it, love it. Hard to find, I have to special order it. You’ll need a long Q&A session after the movie LOL. Have a wonderful time!

          • Sir_Real

            Thanks for the heads up on the red sparkling, I’m sure I can find it locally but if not they can sure get it. It does sound interesting.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      I’m sure HBO is glad that you subscribed to make up for those zillions of Scientologists who have cancelled their subscriptions in protest.

      • Sir_Real

        OMG yes, they tearfully BEGGED me to sign up as they are so distraught by the MASSIVE EXODUS of clammy customers!

    • Dibythesea

      Sparkling wine goes great with popcorn!

      • Sir_Real

        Hip, hip hooray on that one!!

  • HappyGirl

    So you were “Axioms”! I never knew what Axioms did, but I lived in the store room of the Narconon US office on the first floor, and would go up to the 3rd (4th?) floor where you guys would leave in a hurry, with food still on the stove, which I would eat and then clean up for you. Do you remember that? Thanks for all that free food, guys! 🙂 Do you remember the guy who lived in the attic? What was his name? I would love to reconnect with him if he’s still alive.

  • Margaret

    Funny new anti-scientology-pro Going Clear video up… http://youtu.be/ODQB4bC3gW8

    • Lucille Austero

      *laugh*

    • Spackle Motion

      This looks like one of those awful corporate training modules. Funny though.

      • Margaret

        Yep! Same software, counter command intention purpose… well, it’s Friday. 🙂

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Fantastic! I love it.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Nicely done, thanks Margaret.

  • Bob Gravlin

    Good Job Tony, Keep the resistance working!

  • Miss Cabbage

    Two days to go and the HEAT is on.
    When the HBO “H-BOMB” reaches critical mass, Davey had better take cover. The fallout will be unavoidable.

  • NOLAGirl

    Look what came in the mail today…The SP Force is strong this weekend. 🙂 (F5)

    • flyonthewall

      ooh, that’s a good one, happy reading!

      • NOLAGirl

        I can’t wait to start. Thanks for the early review fly. 🙂

    • Newiga

      Ordered the same book (along with Larry Wright’s Going Clear) from Amazon a couple of weeks ago.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      I met John and hung out with him considerably at “Flag Down” last year. Amazing, intelligent and compassionate guy. He wrote a great book. Enjoy!

      • Baby

        You guys made a great team. I loved sitting with you. Both of you are funny, intelligent gentlemen. It was a pleasure to meet you Michael..

      • NOLAGirl

        Thank you Michael. Even with everything going on this weekend I’m going to have to start reading at least a little bit of it. 🙂

    • coonellie

      I hate to say this, but the first thing I saw was your gorgeous ring :).

      • NOLAGirl

        ; ) Thank you hon. My husband has amazing taste, in many things, including jewelry.

        • Menna

          my husband says jewelry is stupid, thus whatever I have I bought myself.

          • NOLAGirl

            I actually don’t wear jewelry a lot, particularly when it’s hot down here, so he rarely buys it, but he was proposing with that one. 🙂 For the record, I said yes. LOL

  • Observer

    are you in the fetal position yet, Captain Miscavige? Not much time left before millions of people find out what a deranged, cruel little tax fraudster you are!

    • flyonthewall

      Not much time at all. 60% of the people coming over to watch Going Clear Sunday are not Sci watchers and have very superficial knowledge of it. Repeat that scenario across a million households in the US and you have a Great Awakening happening!

      • Menna

        i am telling everyone about it, most of whom will tune in just for curiosity.

        • flyonthewall

          How I just wish I could be a me for the breakroom conversations on Monday

          • Observer

            I’d like to be a you wherever Captain Miscavige is hiding out on Monday.

        • Baby

          Most of mine will tune in to shut me up

    • eucliditis

      Will he go into hiding or come out swinging?

      • Observer

        I think he’ll stay in hiding and send out his attack dogs and sleazy PIs to do his dirty work.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Is it true that the water in Hemet is so strong, it is necessary to cut it with copious amounts of Scotch?

    By virtue of the powers bestowed upon me, I hereby announce a new and distinguished member of the Right Honourable and Ancient Order of the Bunker Jedi Companions Commensal.
    Having opened the Floodgates of Entheta and caused great disturbance in The Farce, this member graces us with his considerable talents, courage and intelligence.
    The Award Ceremony begins on Sunday, 29th March at 8:00 pm, EST

    A vision of summer reading on the beach came to me – it was about a trial:

    JT is not one of the good guys – he is an apologist for this evil cult.

    • Techie

      The Int Base has a very deep but good well for water, so the water is pretty good except for when the Sea Org members in charge of the water treatment plant set the chlorine too high or low. However, a truly refined connoisseur does not of course drink mere water, a special brand of Smart Water is shipped in for the personal delectation of the Dear Master (woe be unto he who nabs a hit from the Master’s special stash). Unfortunately the Smart Water has yet to achieve the desired Smartening effect so a certain amount of Courvoisier or McAllen’s is required to enhance it. The Smart Water people of course are laughing in their corporate hallways, knowing as they do that their product is bottled tap water and the only Smart thing about it is the cleverness of their salesmen.

      • aquaclara

        “…Sea Org members in charge of the water treatment plant”.
        How can this possibly be allowed by the Hemet Board of Health or whatever they might be called?
        Oh, I know it’s a rhetorical question.
        Who said it yesterday that this damn cult has no bottom to the evil? They were so right.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        Is mere tap water good enough for his Oiliness’s bath water, or does he insist on using fresh Perrier?

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    When I was in the Sea Organization from March 1977 through much of 1978 (my first of three times) I worked with Patti LaMarr on project 23 (also known later as “Mission Signs Exterior). Patti had mentioned to Doug Harlan and I about working with Spanky on entertainment and meeting a lot of bands. It sounds like she and Spanky had traveled a lot and had a lot of interesting times.

    In ’77 the RPF was up on the 7th floor of Lebanon Hall, the tall rectangular building in the center of the “big blue” complex. I know because I slept on the 6th floor under them and we heard their loud end of work meetings where they counted off and sang songs. There were about 200 or more at the time, all crowded into the 7th floor for berthing.

    I don’t know when they moved to the 7th floor (the old operating room floor in the ‘Y’ shaped main building). I left the Sea Org for about nine months or a bit more in ’78 and ’79.

    I do remember meeting Yvonne once near the end of her life. She came over to the complex and visited all the Sea Org members working at the complex on renovations. We lined up in the cafeteria (in the flat building between the main building and Lebanon Hall with windows that look out on Berendo Street, L. Ron Hubbard Way, one block only) and she reviewed the troops, passing us and shaking hands. She had some people walking along side her and she was not in good health. I guess it was one of her goodbys.

    I also remember being in the audience at that showing of “Saturday Night Fever.” It was shown in the auditorium of Lebanon Hall, which is most of the ground floor of the building. Nice classic deco architecture with a parquet floor. Very high ceilings. There was a old style fireproof projection booth at one end and a small stage at the other. It was exciting to see the film, but I never knew there was a blow-job scene in the movie until seeing it on video years and years later. Funny. Another time, someone got a big screen TV and we huddled around and watched the first episode of “Battlestar Galactica.” We were still excited from having managed to get to the Chineese Theatre (about 40 of us EPFers) to see “Star Wars” and still get back before ‘lights out’.

    I knew Joni Labaqui when I was on the EPF in ’77 and ’78. Back then she was Joni Goodman. She (if I recall correctly) was the head of the “vents” crew project mission. The vents crew were the guys who crawled around in the asbestos insulation laden ceilings, cutting holes in the sheet metal ventilation system ducts and manually scraping all the fiberglass insulation and sound-deadening material out of the inside. Also taking any of it off the outside. Because you know, Hubbard said fiberglas is bad.

    Although Hubbard, as far as I know, never said asbestos is bad, there was a big uproar on the purchasing mission (headed up by Ron Yoder and helped later, if I am right, by young Marty Rathbun) about the asbestos content of the construction joint compound. It’s the ‘mud’ you put on plasterboard joints and corners to hold the joint tape and secure the metal corners and fill in uneven surfaces. We had been using pallets and pallets of “red dot” joint compound which had asbestos in it. And then scraping and sanding it and smoothing it without using dust masks or respirators. So at one point all the ‘red dot’ mud was taken away (or we just used it up, because we had bought it) and we started using ‘green dot’ mud without asbestos. So lots of us gung-ho Sea Org members, RPF and EPF were exposed to very unhealthy levels of fiberglass, asbestos and construction dust. During ’77 and ’78 there were over 200 Estates Project Force at the complex with varying levels of RPF, sometimes over 250 people.

    I just thought I would fill in some history on my experiences in the Sea Org that related to some of the things Spanky was experiencing and some of the people she mentioned.

    • One Human

      Michael, thank you for adding more texture to that period of time.
      I hope you are in reasonably decent health these days, after being exposed to such dangerous materials.

    • Juicer77

      Great perspective. Thanks.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks for sharing this, Michael. Your story comes out in fascinating and horrible bits and pieces. I hope your health is good, and not affected by the materials you were exposed to. And I’m furious that all of you who were exposed to this stuff AND can’t even get a day in court to get this on the record and get some compensation for pain and suffering.

      They knew it was bad then. They never should have allowed you to be exposed to materials like that.

      Don’t even let me get started about how come there is an EPF and an RPF, because we know that if the esteemed judges had this in front of them, they would be in tears at the very concept of people being held trapped as slaves for some totally concocted “religious” reasons.

      Going Clear is for you and for every ex here. And for every one still in, who should be out.

    • Ardent

      I second Aqua’s comment, Michael. Big wow! I certainly hope you stay healthy. What criminal disregard for the health of others!

  • flyonthewall

    The days of people thinking Sci is just that “weird Hollywood Tom Cruise religion” are over. Everyone will know that Scientology is a brutal, greedy, destructive cult and there’s nothing the cult can do about it. NOTHING!

    • Baby

      OK ..Now fly.. That is exactly what I said earlier.. You just said it ..Well..the way I was supposed to.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Yeah, but your little fit was much funnier 😉

        Edit: and you were stomping your feet too………admit it!!!!!

        • Baby

          hahhahahaah Ohhh I just knew that you would show up..

          ( yes)

      • flyonthewall

        neh, you just keep being you and I’ll keep being me and we’ll all just sing kumbaya around the fire

  • nottrue
    • Kestrel

      They get it, and they share what they get well.

    • Ardent

      Great link, nottrue. Thanks.

    • Allie

      Great review of Gibney, Going Clear and the value of documentaries. Wilonsky states:
      Wright says that most religions leave room for doubt. Scientology leaves no room for doubt, in fact it
      punishes you when you have doubt. Thanks for sharing the link, nottrue

    • Sir_Real

      I am so proud of our local guys, Vognar and Wilonsky, as well as the early articles about Going Clear (the book then the movie) in The Dallas Morning News. I was hoping the Angelika theatre here would show the film when they did in NY and LA but HBO will be just fine.

  • Sidney18511

    I’m watching the doc with the entire Sidney family, who can’t for the life of them figure out what I find so fascinating about Scientology.
    Everything should all be cleared up on Sunday.

    • Juicer77

      Anyone who is watching with newbies needs to be ready for Q&A. Just sayin’ 🙂

    • Robert Eckert

      Sidney1 through Sidney18,510?

  • Juicer77

    Hoping for this upcoming episode: “Loni Coombs, Mike Cavalluzzi and Allison Hope Weiner on Crime Time discuss Scientology leader David Miscavige’s guilty verdict at the inurement trial. What will the sentence be? How will 4’13” reach the top bunk? Who gets custody of the the beagles? On the next Crime Time!” (refresh)

    • Juicer77

      … Disqust… (f5)

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        Oh good, I thought it was just me, and did a reset!

        • Juicer77

          So sorry, I’m sure others will grumble at me. Oh, well.

          • Baby

            I will NEVER grumble at you Juice.. You my buddy.. Love kitteh in picture..( That was me this morning..hahahhaha)

            When you told me to go to bed..It reminded me of the Snickers Commercial.. ” You’ll feel better after you have a Snickers..” hahaha

            and I did… smooches..

    • generic sock account

      He’ll be the first and only Pope with a prison bunk ladder. Truly smashing his name into history.

      • aquaclara

        And I nominate Marc Headley to drive that pope mobile when that happens.
        It’s sure to be quite a ride.

      • Allie

        You’re always on the money with the quick, smart retorts. Love it.

    • Scream Nevermore

      No discussion needed – Bubba has his part of the cell ready for him…

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Meh. Who needs HBO and the New Yorker and the LA Times to expose Scientology when the Star is on the job? I spotted this in the drug store this morning. Read the article while I was standing in line to cash my paycheck from Big Pharma. The story is completely ludicrous, but they lead off with Going Clear! Then go on to say that their exclusive story won’t be in the film. You can bet on that.

    (refresh!)

    • Lucille Austero

      DDD, I almost bought this mag, but *could not* bring myself to do it!

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Really interesting and a great story of what you went through. Thank you Spanky. I should hope that Travolta will listen up and turn around, as it would help his career and be best for his soul.

    • Allie

      I hope JT is very embarrassed by his lack of concern and support for Spanky.
      Everyone says he’s such a nice guy, he sure didn’t prove it by his actions. Maybe the film will cause him
      to do some soul-searching.

  • Lucille Austero

    And this. They do not stop.

    Germanwings Co-pilot Who Purposefully Crashed Plane Had Spent 18 Months In Psychiatric Treatment http://t.co/NieaEbxWSR— CCHR Int (@CCHRInt) March 27, 2015

    • Newiga

      Why I am not surprised they are using this horrible tragedy to advance their propaganda…

      • Observer

        Because they always use horrible tragedies to advance their propaganda?

        • Newiga

          Indeed!

          “The Psychs DID IT!!!!”

      • Dale A.

        You’d think that with fighting all the bitter lying criminal apostate Wogs on all fronts Scientology Command wouldn’t have time to speculate about psychs in Europe…

        • Lucille Austero

          You’d think they’d have their hands full with *other things* right now 😉

        • Allie

          They’re desperately working overtime to attack and spew their vile lies to everyone everywhere.
          No disaster or wog is out of Davey’s reach.to attack.

    • LHS

      Because no Scientologists have ever committed suicide or murder. Fricking CCHR hypocrites.

    • LHS

      Also the CCHR has apparently never heard that “correlation does not equal causation.” Seems like a pretty straightforward idea to me!

      • kemist

        Not if your brain has been damaged with study tech, apparently.

        • Ardent

          Oh, no, no, no…OT powers, you see. The OT powers let you make leaps of logic and intuition that simply make our wog minds look as dull as a dirt road. The dirtiest road in the Gu-LAX-ee….

          • kemist

            Oat Tea powers you say ?

            Meh, I’d rather have a dirty mind than a washed brain.

            • Ardent

              Oat Tea, my friend, is so rich in nutrients and special compounds (known only to Source) that one never need think again. You can just coast effortlessly across the boundless ocean of knowingness, havingness and jerkiness.

      • Captain MustSavage

        I love the fact that they just don’t get that at all. It’s like saying the birth rate increases after a major power outage because light prevents pregnancy. That type of illogicality makes them look like the well turned out woman who comes out of the bathroom with half of the back of her skirt tucked into her knickers. She’s walking around thinking she’s the bees knees but everyone one else thinks she looks pretty foolish.

        • Ardent

          Not a bad analogy at all! Funny, to boot!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      …and hid the fact that he refused to follow his doctor’s advice from his employers.

      But hey, what’s True for you is True, right?

      I believe it is true that the CCHR is full of, well, you know.

      • Lucille Austero

        It’s the Psychs, DDD, it’s the Psychs.

    • generic sock account

      disgusting.

    • kemist

      This is what we have come to expect of these vultures. In other news, water is wet, and the sun will set in the west this evening.

      I would not be surprised for one microsecond if the remaining scilons receive emails begging them for money over this.

      • generic sock account

        MORE THAN 150 MURDERED IN EXCELLENT FUNDRAISING OPPORTUNITY

        disgusting.

        • Ardent

          Nauseating, cynical and vile.

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Is there no low to which they won’t stoop–it seems not.

          • Ardent

            there is apparently no limit. If even one of those assholes shows up in a yellow T-shirt, I’d be quite willing to watch the Gendarmes frog-march the loony off and into the sea.

            • NOLAGirl

              If they do have the gall to show up, I’d appreciate it if the Gendarmes could “accidentally” give them a good kick in the pants on the way.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Hell! I’d pay to see that 🙂

        • kemist

          Don’t you just love fundraising ?

          Makes you wonder what it is they’d do if they really had superpowers.

          I think they’d use them to cause catastrophes just so that they could fundraise some more money and award themselves medals and statuses to stroke their egoes. There is not much compassion for their fellow humans that I’ve seen in them to actually do something good and/or worthwhile.

      • MadMaxi

        Reminds me when they invaded Va Tech after the shooting. Folks here were NOT pleased to see them in their yellow shirts, blasphemous crosses, crap booklets and touch assists. Who knows how much they raised from that- grrrrr

        • Mymy88

          Wow, I can’t believe they had the nerve to do that.

          • MadMaxi

            Local media picked up on it did a front page story and lead off on local TV. We may have our faults in the VA mountains but amazing how we all unite to protect our own. The culties disappeared very fast after the media exposed them. Probably took a lesson from what happened when Westboro threatened to protest here and ran away. Would be curious to hear the cults view of what happened after the media show and why they disappeared. I know several preachers/priests/locals talked with some and watched closely.

            Same thing happened when Westboro was going to protest a funeral after a nut shot up a local gay bar injuring many and killed a man. Red necks, university presidents, goth, hippies, conservatives, liberals, all religious beliefs, rich, poor, all races converged to protect Danny’s funeral from the Westboro hate. State police and local claimed they just could not spare the man power to protect the Westboro folks-gee too bad, so sad. They never showed up to protest, but realized they cannot use Virginia’s mountain areas for their bullshit, that stereo-types do not apply other then “don’t mess with our own”.

    • Ardent

      Those cultie f-wits simply do NOT understand mental illness. Of course, we all know they tell themselves that they are in fact the ONLY people who do understand mental illness (thanks Tom!).
      A seriously depressed person, and I believe the co-pilot had to have been way down that dark and horrible hole, is not a victim of ‘Psychs’ or any other exterior MEST bullshit. I know: depression is insidious, and sometimes, tragically, overwhelming.
      I am infuriated that the self-serving bastards in the cult want to fan flames and delude themselves further after such an appalling tragedy.

    • Captain MustSavage

      What? It only took the Psychs 18months to f*ck that guy up? Does that make them more or less efficient than scientology at that?

  • Jack99

    Okay, Going Clear will be shown to maybe millions on Sunday, but I fear the time has come to admit our defeat. Look at this masterful twitter from the freedom ethics account:

    #Alex Gibney’s #Going Clear is HBOring. ☛ Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

    Why would anyone even be interested in watching the film now? What’s the use? Gibney should call Miscavige and congratulate him on his victory. Sooo close… and then beaten by a pun.

    • generic sock account

      A few extra Z’s would’ve IASold me.

      • Jack99

        Ah, you are still able to jest. I… am not.

        • generic sock account

          If we couldn’t laugh, we would all go insane.

          • flyonthewall

            stop your clowning fool, this is serious beeswax her…oops there I go again

    • I remember that one from teaching high school sophomores XD

    • Observer

      Interesting enough for them to gibber on about it incessantly for the past month, though.

      • Jack99

        This kind of genius inspiration doesn’t come along every day, you know. I’m sure they had their top writers working on this for weeks, and then the final approval from Miscavige.

        • edge

          I bet that took an entire OT Committee meeting. Guys, we have to put our Super Theta heads together and shatter HBO!
          They had a stat day surge and are now up to 536 followers. Wow.

    • Jgg2012

      Sure, if they suffer from insomnia.

    • NOLAGirl

      Bahahaha!!

      Miscavige, you and your OSA minions are beyond impotent. What a laughingstock you’ve become.

    • George Layton

      Most boring documentary Tiny Dave ever hyperventilated over.

      • Allie

        A million up-votes, George

    • Newiga

      What witty word smith came up with “HBOring” *insert sarcastic laughter* *F5*

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L8puiPXCAs

      • Jack99

        If only it had been shown on another network! Like CNN.

        • Robert Eckert

          To have any chance at making CNN, Gibney would have needed to put in the Shelly story, to get that Missing White Woman factor.

          • Mymy88

            HAHAHA!

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I heard people at Safeway talking about it. Those tabloid covers have really helped. Oh and BM’s free advertising! Thanks yah little prick!

  • eloise

    OT but further to previous about my interaction with elle yesterday. I am just…gobsmacked…by her reply:

    You are such an idiot. I have had many “sec checks” over the years, aka Confessionals–a practice in many religions and a vital step to sanity in the AA steps. I have never ever ever been asked that question. Let me see if I can get a pin prick of light into your dark soul. A confessions address particular moral codes. Say you are dealing with prisoners. You might have to ask Did you ever snitch on your cellmate? The meter may or may not indicate “something.” In prison, snitching is a code violation, a sin if you will. Even if the snitching was to save someone’s life, it is a violation of the “moral” code of prison and would need to be addressed so the prisoner could unburden himself about this serious transgression.

    hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I think she needs to word clear “irony”

    • NOLAGirl

      Wow. The Kool-Aid is strong with that one.

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        I think she’s been swimming in the damn stuff (and the super–concentrate at that), it’s that bad.

        • NOLAGirl

          I haven’t seen her stuff (other than what has been reposted here) but I hear it’s full on clam-sauce. I’m gonna have to go check out her “confront” one of these days. 🙂

          • ScnMonkeyNuts

            It certainly is the full–fat sauce, I tried reading some of her ‘reasoned and well balanced arguments’ (in her head) on THR thread a couple of weeks ago–all it was was semi–literate, mostly ad hominem, logically fallacious drek. Made my poor brain hurt with the logical inconsistencies (but it was quite funny seeing Waterhorse saying he enjoyed his sec–checking.) A terminal kool–aid consumption case if ever I saw one.

            • Mymy88

              Wow. Enjoyed his sec checking? Riiiiiiiiight.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              I know… I’d have laughed, if the self–delusion and cult–think wasn’t so saddening.

            • Mymy88

              That’s like saying “Yippie! My dentist told me I need a root canal!”

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              “… and have my wisdom teeth out at the same time, without anaesthetic”

              The good thing was–Waterhorse tried to troll a comment I made, where he basically made an ad hominem attack based on a logical fallacy (which I thoughtfully pointed out to him in my reply) and after that… nothing (he was at this point extolling the virtues of a sec check further upthread!)

              Here it is: https://disqus.com/home/discussion/hollywoodreporter/scientologys_final_say_on_going_clear/#comment-1907165994

            • Mymy88

              Good, he needed to be shut down after that idiot comment, BUT what did you mean when you said (he was at this point extolling the virtues of a sec check further upthread!)?

              Did you mean when you replied, he decided to abandon discourse with you and instead he started commenting about liking sec checks, beeeeeecause… ??? he’s a $cien and he’s just realized he’s in for a doozy of a sec check? therefore he’s trying to self-console, and this is a stab in dark guess on my part.

              Although I’ve wanted to read his comments, I’ve not had time, so I’m not familiar with what he’s about, except I do know which side he’s on.

              OR

              are you merely pointing out, by giving a couple examples of his actions, that he is a big debate fail? Or all of the above?

              So I’m sorry, but see? I’m telling you. I can be slow but I try lol. How did I do? Really? I have no idea. It’s late and I am brain dead, time for bed… ZZZZzzzz~~~~

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Sorry Mymy, it was about 3am in my timezone when I made that comment, so my thinking was very fuzzy by that stage! (I’d been up since 7am the previous day–oops!) You got it with the abandoning the discourse with me–I think the point I was trying to make (although it is hard to tell) was that he is a debate fail, and trying to illustrate the fact with my specific example, while indicating that he was still interacting with others about sec checks.

            • Mymy88

              Oh okay so yeah, I got what you meant. I just wanted to make sure lol. Jesus, anyone who claims to like sec checks must be really swimming in the kool aid. I’ll be surprised if he is coherent in any point he tries to make. Darnit. Now you’ve made me curious to read some of his posts lol. Deep breath… here I go.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              I can only apologise for that–on the plus side they are generally brief (in a fairly ad hominem, incoherent way). Good luck–I’ll send out a Bunker search party with caek and bloody marys in a few hours if you’re not back 🙂

            • Mymy88

              Ha ha, I guess I did get lost. I actually got sidetracked but I’m reading his comments right now. This is going to be interested lol.

            • Mymy88

              Wow, If I didn’t know he was a $cien, I’d think he was a complete nut case lol. Not much difference sometimes… you know what I mean? lol. Okay. I’m going to read some more of his posts. Unbelievable.

            • Mymy88

              Waterhorse is really starting to piss me off lol. I just replied something to one of his posts. This is what I wrote:

              Mymy88 Waterhorse•2 minutes ago
              But look HOW she died. Un freaking believable! And to top all the horror off, the medical examiner was ‘allegedly’ bullied, threatened, coerced, given a offer she could not refuse, or whatever mafia style bully tactic term you please, into changing her testimony, which is what got the case thrown out… The Lisa McPherson case, that is.

      • chukicita

        Anyone heard of Megadari? Has only commented on my posts from a thread here a few months ago and recently on LAist, that I can see.

        • NOLAGirl

          I’ve never heard of or seen him chuki, maybe someone else has?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I have quit responding to her because it will never end. She fair gamed Karen de La Carriere and I called her on it; I cited Hubbard and she said it wasn’t fair gaming and that I didn’t know what I was talking about. I let it go. My point was made, listing the hubsters policies.

        I told her she was complying with these policies:

        1. Fair Game – suppressive persons may be deprived of property or injured by any means… may be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed. HCO Policy Letter of 18 October 1967, Issue IV, L. RON HUBBARD

        2. Dead agenting: If there will be a long-term threat, you are to immediately evaluate and originate a black PR campaign to destroy the person’s repute and to discredit them so thoroughly that they will be ostracized.» — L. Ron Hubbard, 30 May 1974, “Confidential – PR Series 24 – Handling Hostile Contacts/Dead Agenting”

        • i-Betty

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Thanks i-Betty, I agree!

      • Mymy88

        I bet she’s a hired $cilon hand.

        • NOLAGirl

          Hired implies she’s getting paid. You just know they’re making her do all that rambling for free.

    • generic sock account

      That’s not the Elle that posts here is it?

      • eloise

        NO. I screwed that up yesterday so have some guilt on the subject! 😉 elle all lower case. Elle here changed her name as a result to clear up confusion!

        • generic sock account

          Oh, okay. I didn’t think so. I like that Elle.

          • Robert Eckert

            For she’s a jolly good Elle, oh for she’s a jolly good Elle, oh!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            “Our” Elle is now ElleGee!

      • Lucille Austero

        No, it’s elle with a little e. Our Elle has changed back to ElleGee, I believe.

    • Jack99

      How do you make a clay demo of “irony”?

      • You make two little clay figures, then explain your demo by saying,
        “This figure is part of a very ironic situation” in a really sarcastic voice.
        With luck, this go completely over your supervisors head.

      • Robert Eckert

        Clay figures of a bride and a groom and little raindrops?

        • shasha40

          Points for excellent clay demo of ” irony” with use of a song ! 😀

    • nukethevolcano

      Scientologist. Prison. I approve.

    • Kestrel

      True religions don’t use your confessionals to blackmail you.

    • kemist

      I guess she’d say it has to do with iron.

      That’s a very clean brain she’s got.

    • Jack99

      No LOL at the end? Are you sure this was elle?

    • Jgg2012

      I think she has some M/Us.

    • sizzle8

      In Scientology, the definition of “moral code” is different than in the outside world. That’s really what elle is talking about.

    • April

      Does elle seriously not understand that an inmate who admits to snitching in prison is going to get the shit beat out of them by other inmates?!? In her example, the “confession” of a “code violation” would only result in harm to the inmate and wouldn’t help him or her in the slightest.

      Oh wait, I take that back. It’s exactly how sec-check “confessions” are used in the CO$.

  • Observer

    Question: If someone was hatted in something, were they ever referred to as “hats”? For example, “She’s the cramming hat.” I just want to be technically accurate.

    • Richard

      ‘Her hat is the cramming officer’,yes, but ‘she’s the cramming hat’ I have never heard.

      • flyonthewall

        aren’t they also referred to as “coins”? Like when exchanging personnel to fill posts?

        • Richard

          I have never heard of that terminology.

        • Techie

          Yes, if you are trained you are a “coin” that can be traded for others of similar training in a personnel trade. It is actually not supposed to be common to trade personnel around, called “Musical Chairs”, but of course it happens all the time. Sometimes a skilled person will be traded for two or more unskilled personnel as the human resources types (called Hubbard Communications Office) try to somehow cobble together a working organization out of the odd bits and weirdos that end up in the Sea Org.

          • flyonthewall

            I knew it! Thnx Techie

            • sizzle8

              Anything can be a “coin” when you are talking about exchanging something.
              It can be books, time, courses and, yes, even personnel.

          • Juicer77

            I believe Chris Shelton confirms this as well, possibly in his interview on Surviving Scientology Radio if memory serves.

      • Observer

        Thank you!

    • Techie

      You would say “She is a fully hatted Cramming Officer” or “She is a Mini-Hatted Cramming Officer”. This does not imply that she is performing the duties of the hat, just that she is trained. You can also say “She is wearing the Cramming Officer hat” but that does not imply that she is trained or “hatted” just that she is performing the duty. You can also be “holding a hat from above” meaning you are senior to the post and performing the duty but again this does not imply that you are trained. There is also a subtle difference of terminology for technical training such as an auditor or course supervisor. If you are a fully trained class VIII auditor you still have to do an “Auditor Hat” for the administrative duties as they apply in a particular organization. So you could be a trained Auditor but not hatted for the organizational post. Too much information but you asked.

      • Observer

        Not too much information at all. Thank you!

      • generic sock account

        Do they ever say “Go shit in your hat, jerk”? ‘Cause that’s what I’d say.

      • Phil McKraken

        Mini-hatted! Great expression. Reminds me of this:

      • Allie

        I don’t mean to be disrespectful at all of any exes here. As a never-in, the words above (hatting, cramming) just seem to be silly, nonsensical and confusing. Is it meant to be word-speak and confusing or to make people feel superior in some way? Any other explanations?

        • sizzle8

          Hat is a common, non-scn, use of the word too. Google = an office, position, or role assumed by or as if by the wearing of a special hat

          • Allie

            Didn’t think of that, but you’re absolutely right. Thanks for clarifying. Must be nap time for
            my tired brain.

        • To redefine reality, in order to replace the victim’s own personality with one that the cult builds which they control completely.

          So, pretty darned sinister, actually, not just silly.

          Check out Jefferson Hawkins very excellent discussion in “Closing Minds: How Scientology’s “Ethics Technology” is Used to Control Their Members” – he references academic work of broader scope which outlines how coercive groups warp reality in order to change the victims.

          Earlier blog version: http://tonyortega.org/jefferson-hawkins-getting-our-ethics-in/

          • Allie

            Thanks, Jens. I’ll check out Jeff’s discussion.

    • They tried the sorting hat, but they all turned out to be Slytherin House. What are the odds!

      • Dr_Orpheus

        I would have expected Hufflepuff since they have absolute loyalty toward Scientology are forced to work ridiculously long hours.

    • Rasha

      “Wassa matta wit’ you, hat?”
      – LRH, Collected Racist Remarks

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      And you need to know this why, Obs? Preparing a shoop?!!

  • hansje brinker

    Louis Theroux right now on Dutch TV in an interview and he announced that his documentary comes out end this year. So, if the “church” isn’t already dead after this weekend it is for sure in the end of this year and is more like a funeral.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      What channel in the states are his docs usually shown on?

      • Robert Eckert

        He appears to be aiming for theatrical release rather than television, although I could be mistaken.

        • 0tessa

          You are right.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          As in the big city art cinemas or the mega plex in Tilden, Nebraska?

          • Robert Eckert

            I would expect mostly arthouses, but if Going Clear generates buzz, who knows?

    • Allie

      Good to hear that Theroux is starting to get attention and some publicity for his film.
      And after Going Clear airs, Tony’s book is next and perhaps Mark Bunker’s Knowledge Report will be
      coming out as well. It’s going to be a deadly year for CoS. Oh happy day

      • Mymy88

        D.E.A.D.L.Y. I likes the sound of that, I sure do.

    • shasha40

      Death of a thousand cuts … * jumps up and down * 🙂

  • nottrue
    • Observer

      That snowball just keeps getting bigger. It’s beautiful!

      • Mymy88

        Spectacular Wacular!

    • One Human

      Thank you for sharing this nottrue.
      Again, Pouw denial.

    • Dale A.

      In addition to enjoying the humor of Karen Pouw asserting that no such incident ever happened and besides it’s greatly exaggerated, we can feel uplifted with the hope that more and more people like Ms Ekstrand will start talking.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Karin Pouw, a spokeswoman for Scientology, confirmed that Ekstrand was a nanny in a Scientology daycare in Los Angeles but she said that her supervisor at the daycare center said the incident with her daughter’s finger never happened.

      Pouw, a spokeswoman for Scientology, wrote in an email that no one in her office has met Ekstrand or heard of her.

      They’re tripping over their acceptable truths now. These people don’t know whether to shit or go sailing at this point.

      • generic sock account

        I hate defending them, but what I think happened there is that Pouw confirmed they have a record of her working there, but no one there today knows her or has ever heard of her.

        • Robert Eckert

          But although they don’t know anything about her, they’re sure she must be lying about her child’s accident because– well, she’s a bitter defrocked apostate grinding her axe on a huge grain of salt.

          • generic sock account

            Well yeah, I won’t try to explain that load of bullshit. I’m just saying those two particular quotes from Kapouw can seem confusing and contradictory, but they do make sense.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          That’s why I said “they’re tripping over their acceptable truths now”. Technically, people in her office may truthfully not know who Ekstrand is but there’s another slip.

          she [Pouw] said that her supervisor at the daycare center said the incident with her daughter’s finger never happened.

          • Ella Raitch

            Later it says wtte that the supervisor would have remembered if something like that happened and can’t remember something like that happening (implying that, therefore it didn’t happen). Acceptable truth is milquetoast.

        • shasha40

          …let’s ask the people in ” the hole” that does Not exist …

          • generic sock account

            Ask them what?

            • shasha40

              I was saying that, as there are still people that have been around for years that would know her there .

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        If they never heard of her, how does the supervisor know what happened?

      • Mymy88

        Ah I just love it!

  • Observer

    With mostly sincere apologies to Gary Larson:
    .

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      I’m sure he’d forgive you Obs, great shoop 🙂

    • Lucille Austero

      Excellent, Obs!

    • chukicita

      Somehow I think he’d approve.

      • KNMF

        He’d approve on behalf of Jim Berry (Berry’s World).

  • chukicita

    Something to help pass the time until Sunday…page 2 of The Big Coloring Book of Scientology’s Demise (refresh)

  • Super Power Wogsy

    As always, thank you so much to Spanky Taylor. For the SO lurkers or those under the radar. I just wanted to let you know how immensely, I’m enjoying my wog life at this moment. I am basking in the Central Valley sun eating a Sricha bacon burger while my dogs pretend attack the other dogs on the other side of the fence. I get to laugh at all the joking and degrading at the Bunker, and know one will write a KR about it. There are no course supervisors texting me and bothering me about when I’ll be going on course and no stupid reges digging in my pockets. In fact, it is easy to describe it as doing nothing and wasting time enjoying my life. : ) Going CLear on HBO Mach 29th. Fuck Dm, Fuck JT, and Fuck TC. Life is great outside prison walls. Tata!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      We are all so very proud of you! Enjoy the wog world.

    • Lucille Austero

      Cheers to you, SPW!!

    • Allie

      So happy to hear you are enjoying each lovely day, SPW, and everything that comes with Freedom.
      Cheers to you.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Wonderful comment!

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      And I bet the freedom feels sooo good 🙂

      • Super Power Wogsy

        It’s also just nice to not have to feel like you have defend yourself all the time for your religion especially when the “religion” is a scam. Plus, I have this gorgeous Bunker Bestie named Monkey who I get to hang out with : )

        • Baby

          awww that is so sweet SPW Bunker Bestie.. lucky Monkey.. Lucky SPW I love Bunker Friendships..

          • Super Power Wogsy

            i AM lucky. He is so smart too.

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Aaaaw! Thank you Wogsy *blushes*, for that you get a kitteh photo! For my Beautiful Bunker Bestie xo

          • Super Power Wogsy

            I WANT! I WANT! I WANT! I WANT!

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              🙂 Come visit the MonkeyHouse when you’re settled–and meet them in person!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I will! I will! Tea at the Grand, seafood, and Brighton Beach. I remember. : )

  • Todd Tomorrow

    After reverting back to smoking after quitting for a few months. I once again got a script to help me. Thanks big Pharma for helping me last time! Already my cravings are going away after one day back on the pills! Fuck you clams!

    • SkyBill40

      You mean wishing and hoping those bad ol’ body thetans away wasn’t cutting it?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        No I shat all of them out.

        • SkyBill40

          That must have felt… awesome. A thetan power Hubbard. Epic times, right there.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I guess they are muckying up a sewer.

    • ze moo

      How will you get rid of your radiation now?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I thought the new tinfoil hat would work. Plus lord Xeu, I pray will grant me the sor..

    • Juicer77

      Best of luck to you, T. You can do it. My bro was finally able to quit with the patch but it took several attempts. He has never restarted.

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  • KNMF

    On Tony’s tweet. Love Wilonsky. When he wrote for the Observer he gave my choreographer/performance artist wife good reviews on the shows she produced. He’s clearly a genius. Glad he’s weighing in on Going Clear.

    • Kestrel

      He wore a lot of hats at the Observer.

      • KNMF

        A man for all seasons. He might have a radio thing going at KTCK The Ticket. Sports.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Wyden, has said he will help us get their tax status reviewed. Tell him yourself why it is important to you.
    http://www.wyden.senate.gov/contact/

    • Jgg2012

      An HBO film recently got a serial killer (Durst) arrested, so its certainly can get the IRS to do something, especially if people start protesting in front of the IRS office.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Wow Todd, great!

    • NOLAGirl

      I poke him & his team regularly on Twitter. 🙂

      https://twitter.com/NOLADuchess/status/581560284008960000

    • Billy Bob

      Would Orin Hatch (a Mormon), Chairman of the subcommittee on taxation, allow an atheistic cult to be stripped of it’s religious exemption? Real question. In the past Orrin Hatch has been surprisingly bi- partisan.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        It’s a dangerous cult that constantly violates numerous laws. I’m sure the FAA would love to know how they are getting into search flight data. That is federal crime. Lets just keep peeling away at the onion!

        • ze moo

          The clams have a travel agency(s) somewhere and access to Sabre and all the other airlines. No great need to postulate superpowers. Even so, Sabre and the other airlines need to up their security game.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Still it is a federal crime despite the mechinations involved.

  • Vaquera

    A story about Tracy Ekstrand in the Washington Post:

    How one woman climbed her way out of Scientology’s elite Sea Org

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/03/27/how-one-woman-climbed-her-way-out-of-scientologys-elite-sea-org/

    • Jgg2012

      This is starting to get mainstream coverage.

      • Vaquera

        Yes. With articles by The Week and The Economist as well.

    • shasha40

      Thanks , I had missed it . 🙂

    • Karin Pouw, a spokesperson for the Church of Scientology, said in an email that Ekstrand’s description of life in the Sea Org “is grossly exaggerated and appears to have morphed over the decades.” More than 7,500 people serve in the Sea Org, she said.

      So, in real numbers they must be south of 3,500.

      I wish there was a list of Sea Org posts with best guess estimates from exes of how many at each location that could be updated as new numbers come in. At some point, there’s going to be that straw in an empty milkshake sound as they run out of spares, and things will unravel pretty fast after that.

      Just to run CLO Canada, with nine-ish orgs, they had 80 Sea Org a few years ago.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Very good idea. Tony had a post 3-23-2014 where Jillian Andersen gave some ##s from DM. http://tonyortega.org/2014/03/23/three-weeks-out-of-scientology-fresh-information-from-a-blown-sea-org-member/

        I think there are 4 main clusters of Sea Org?

        St Hill in England (1,000??)
        Flag in Clearwater (2,000 per Jillian per DM, 80% are Russian))
        LA (2,000 per Jillian per DM)
        Int Base in Hemet (400 are there now, was 1,200 ten years ago)

        • *sigh* I just know I’m going to end up making a model of CoS’s Sea Org and locations, even through my only qualification is an obsessive tendency to track stuff and fill web pages with it. At least once I’ve roughed something out, people who know can chip in with what I’ve forgotten or got wrong.

  • Captain MustSavage

    Below is a Pouw comment on an ex scientologist finally speaking out to the Washington Post (see Vaquera’s link below) about what happened to her:
    “We aren’t naive – this is a publicity ploy orchestrated to promote Alex Gibney’s propaganda film,” Pouw said. “Why else would you be asking us, out of the blue, about something that is beyond ancient history?”

    Can you imagine a Catholic Church spokesman saying this about a former victim of child sexual abuse speaking out in the lead up to Mea Maxima Culpa? There would have been a huge outcry.

    Notice that in her reply this time that she’s not even bothering to deny that it occurred. Her comment is attempting to get us to agree that because their abuse of the woman happened a long time ago that it is now completely unimportant.

    • KNMF

      Ancient history? LOL On the whole track it’s like a nanosecond ago. You know Karen, things that happened a while back have relevance even now.

    • flyonthewall

      Also very creepy how Pouw kept repeating “nothing like that ever happened” regarding Erkland’s daughter’s finger getting severed in the nursery.

    • Billy Bob

      The bit where priest’s victim spoke up right before Mea Maxima might have really happened. Why would there have been an outcry?

      • Captain MustSavage

        The outcry would have come from citizens outraged that a church representative could say something so completely devoid of compassion for a victim.

    • Vaquera

      Ancient history doesn’t begin to compare to a billion year contract.

    • Mymy88

      SUCK IT Pouw! Or at least surrender and throw yourself on the mercy of of the anit-Scientology community. The later would actually be the best choice.

      • Allie

        I read the end of the first sentence as “throw yourself on the mercy of the ANT Scientology community”

        • Mymy88

          Gafaaaw! Well I did transpose the letters – I fix now, thanks lol.

          • Allie

            I wasn’t pointing it out to be critical, mymy. I was just thinking of the ants in the film and how Gibney said Miscavige is so paranoid about the ants being shown in the film.

            • Mymy88

              Well no, I burst out laughing when I read your comment because in my head I pictured a colony of Scientology ants busily practicing $cientology LOL.

    • ElleGee

      As in Hawaiian pidgin, Karen Pouw is pau (finished).

    • Juicer77

      The Co$ responses are typically mixed-up. It never happened, it happened a long time ago, yes she worked here, people knew her, no one remembers her… Y’all need to at least push the same line of bull and not cross over your own lies. A toddler could do better.

      • One Human

        “I never had a second wife”.

  • Lucille Austero

    Look at this! Go Leah!!!

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." – MLK March 29th on @HBO #GoingClear— Leah Remini (@LeahRemini) March 27, 2015

    • Observer

      Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn!

    • Super Power Wogsy

      Preach sister girl!

    • Captain MustSavage

      How dare she compare a great religion like scientology to Martin Luther King!

      • Mymy88

        Haha, hard to believe but that’s how they think. Just ask Paul Haggis, right? lol

    • LHS

      That reminds of another MLK quote: “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” That’s a good reason for critics to take on Scientology, don’t you think?

    • generic sock account

      I’m kinda stoked about how Kirstie responds to this. God damn, do I need a life or what.

      • Lucille Austero

        I’ll keep an eye out. Seems like Kirstie has gone dark.
        ETA: her last tweet was March 15.

        • flyonthewall

          Just remember, turn left to go right

          • Lucille Austero

            Go fast, turn left!

          • generic sock account

            WWJD

            What Would Junior Do?

            Probably keep driving in circles. Just a guess.

            • Lucille Austero

              Yes, but faster than everyone else. Martinsville. This Sunday.

            • MadMaxi

              Live up the road from there, the RVs have all invaded, hotels filled and the famous hotdogs are a different brand this year causing some consternation.

            • Lucille Austero

              You should go!

            • MadMaxi

              Been there once, it was fun people watching but have to admit I was more interested in figuring out how to get a chance to drive one of those cars. Vroooommm!

            • flyonthewall

              ka-chow!

        • Allie

          That’s like an eternity for Kirstie.

      • Robert Eckert

        MediaLush says Kirstie has been tweetless for a long time, perhaps muzzled.

        • generic sock account

          She was already witless, might as well go all out and become twitless.

          I’m sorry. I know. I’m checking myself into the Serene Rainbow facility soon.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            here’s a kale shake. now go. : )

          • Dr_Orpheus

            From the pictures I’ve seen of her homes, I’d add tasteless to that list.

            • generic sock account

              Oh yeah. Doesn’t she have a house where it looks like Pepto Bismal Barbie threw up all over the place? Just a bright pink nightmare…

            • Dr_Orpheus

              That’s the one I was thinking of.

        • Lucille Austero

          Or sequestered aboard the Fleawinds?

          • ScnMonkeyNuts

            She’s recording a Channel 4 programme in the UK that sends D–list media attention–whores into Medieval times and such like… with no electronics allowed 🙂 (so effectively gagged, yes)

          • Ella Raitch

            Doing OTVIII like Nancy?

        • flyonthewall

          psychotic break on OTVIII?

          • Science Doc

            PTS to a Krispy Creme DonNut Factory.

      • Observer

        Kirstie’s reaction will consist of more explosions than a Michael Bay movie. I just hope it’s public.

        • Mrs. V.

          Please let this happen!

        • ze moo

          Maybe she and Donny Masterson can get together and come up with something.

        • Allie

          I know Leah will be supportive of the film, but maybe she tweeted too because
          Kirstie has been quiet too long.

      • Mymy88

        Nope, this kind of drama deserves extreme diligence in attention to detail and then speedy dissemination of said detail lol.

    • Mymy88

      Hell to the yeah! You go Leah! I KNEW she was waiting for just the right time to start launching her arsenal of whatever in the hell kind of ammunition it is that she has stock piled, but you just know it’s got to be one huge pile of it. Hmm, I just had a urge for popcorn. Be right back. The 4th of July is coming a little early this year, I’m afraid. Really, I am a little afraid. You just don’t mess with Leah lol. This IS NOT going to be the slightest bit pretty.

      • ze moo

        Leah Remini is ‘supposed’ to be writing a book about her life, with lots of juicy parts about clamatology. I doubt it will be a mainstream bestseller, but it will get lots of attention. Shine those lights Leah, shine those lights….

  • Billy Bob

    Is there a good LRH quote about storing up shit that will later fall on your head?

  • Super Power Wogsy

    If anybody takes notice of a Krustie response to Leah’s tweet before Sunday, please respond to one of my older comments. I have to go to the libray now and won’t be keeping up with comments : (

    • Mymy88

      Okie dokie! Will do.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Mainstream coverage continues – the Economist

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2015/03/scientology-film

    “The film does not dwell too much on Scientology’s spiritual belief system. But then, nor does Scientology.”

    “The film’s primary achievement lies in the tender glimpses it provides of the human cost of Scientology, and its destruction of families, friends and relationships.”

    “In fact, Mr Gibney’s film gives the overwhelming impression that, under the control of the Church’s long-time leader, David Miscavige, a central part of its mission is to intimidate would-be defectors and silence detractors.”

    • Billy Bob

      “The film does not dwell on Scientology’s spiritual beliefs. But then, nor does Scientology.
      SNAP!

      • Mymy88

        SNAP is right! Ha!

      • Zer0

        Exactly!! I really lol’d when I read that! Nail on the fuckin’ head:)

      • Allie

        Best line of the review!

        • Zer0

          Ya. it’s a fantastic insight/quote coming from a premiere media outlet, awesome!

      • Ella Raitch

        Awesome, isn’t it.

    • Mymy88

      Oh my gosh, I just read one of those blehhh bland weak write-ups about ‘Going Clear’. I’m not even going to link it because it’s just that bland and blucky. I believe the writer did not watch the movie and I actually left a comment telling him he was clueless, as polite as I could, and recommended some reading material. Is that a big no no in on-line news article commenting etiquette? I really have not done a lot of this kind of thing.

      • One Human

        Depends on how utterly foolish their writing was, IMNHO.

        • Mymy88

          VERY

          • One Human

            I do very much appreciate your sharing this, and stand by your decision to call “bullshit!” when you see it.
            😉

            • Mymy88

              Got my back huh, bro? Preeeeciate it! lol

        • Mymy88

          Here’s the link if you want to see for yourself, but really, it’s the blandest write-up I’ve seen, out of all of them.

          http://thefilmstage.com/reviews/review-going-clear-scientology-and-the-prison-of-belief/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thefilmstage+%28The+Film+Stage%29

          • One Human

            On the surface, I wasn’t too put off by the review, except for the “incomplete and one-sided” and just some general nit-pickness.
            I get the feeling he was wanting an Errol Morris film like “Fog of War” or “Unknown Known”, with David Miscavige answering and commenting at length.

            • NOLAGirl

              “..with David Miscavige answering and commenting at length.”

              Something I’m sure Alex Gibney would have been happy to do. The thought of the Tiny Twat facing Gibney and answering tough questions is laughable. 🙂

            • One Human

              I dream of a celebrity roast for him, with exes and critics as the roasters.

            • NOLAGirl

              Without the jokes, unless they’re aimed at him. 🙂 Also, I would pay to see that.

            • One Human

              I think that’s what the Dumbass Medal of Valor ceremony reminds me of.

            • Allie

              To be recorded and broadcast, of course.

            • mockingbird

              Are you talking about literally roasting DM with a fire !!? Or just jokes as he is senteced to several hundred years in prison – one for every family hurt by disconnection . One for every person conned and one for every kid or Sea Org slave exploited . Hell if he got a day gor each of those things he would still die in prison

            • Mymy88

              Ha, dream on, right? lol

          • Billy Bob

            Bunker ability to assess and critique media interviews, interviewers, reviews and reviewers has improved markedly I reckon.

          • Tony Ortega

            That’s not a negative review.

            • endoftheQ

              Oh, that makes a change Tony, why not scream at the editor it isn’t strong enough?!! 😉

            • Eileen

              .????

            • endoftheQ

              Apologies, long, uninteresting story. I just got wickedly bored of a few of Tony’s dipsomanic “never-ins” thinking they were the ultimate arbiters of all things $cientology. 😉

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              We got wickedly bored of you too.

              Still are.

              Have a nice day “liar”….Oh, wait…would you like me to give you a synonym?

              “equivocator”?

              OUT DAMN SPOT!!!!

              Edit: NEXT?????????????????

            • endoftheQ

              Yup, a perfect example of never-in cunt that’s better not sniffed at. 😉

            • MaxSpaceman

              Eotq ! Long time no see. Cross the pond and attend the New York doc. viewing. 😉

            • endoftheQ

              Ha, no way, not unless you’re giving the Sea Monkeys equal air time?!

            • Mymy88

              Eh, I guess. Dog knows I’m no expert. You live and learn, but I’m leaving it in my bland folder for the time being, just because I can be stubborn sometimes, if I feel like it, because I have a FREE MIND! !! WEEEE! I’m doing the happy dance, happy dance. People are stepping out. See? Freedom is a good thing! The tide is turning, right now! Yesss! I’m loving this.

          • Science Doc

            It is a fairly strong review. He didn’t like it as much as some previous films by Gibney, but he describes it as strong, effective and haunting, and gives it a B. It’s more favorable that the NY Times review, which was also accounted as positive by meta critical sites. Gene Siskel gave Apocalypse Now a thumb down when it first came out. Film criticism is an art not a science, and tastes differ.

          • shasha40

            I thought it was a pretty decent review . 🙂

    • Mrs. V.

      When I see the tick tock phrase repeated over and over, I picture Captain Hook and the crocodile and it makes me smile.

      • kemist

        There’s also that unstable character in hunger games, second part, who is trying to explain to others that the arena is a giant clock, with different disasters coming each hour.

        That fits a lot with what is happening to that nasty cult.

        • Mrs. V.

          Yes indeed. Very fitting.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      My god, the media coverage is relentless, a never-ending story…

      • flyonthewall

        that is so weird, my kids are watching this movie as we speak, for real

    • One Human

      Hemet?

    • Orglodyte

      From the Economist article: “The portrait of Hubbard that emerges, apart from his menacing anglerfish rictus, is of a man with a messianic sense of self-importance who proved again and again to be all-too human: indulging in paranoid fantasies, abusing his wife and concealing an embarrassing war record.”

      Menacing anglerfish rictus!

      Laughing still.

  • Mymy88

    Alrighty then! I just saw Tony Ortega’s retweet of Leah Rimini’s tweet. Apparently, she’s decided the time for small talk is over and she’s pulling out the big guns right about now (as of about a couple hours ago ha ha). This is like some kind of beautifully cosmically choreographed strategic take down of Scientology. I love how everything is coming together. So cool!

  • Mrs. V.

    I’ve said this before on a different article, but I’m repeating it now…Mr. Travolta? Mr. Cruise? Mr. Miscavige? …………….Nothing? Well, then I guess you’ve just proved everything in Going Clear is true.

    • Missionary Kid

      How about, Karin Pouw, if you’re real, show yourself?

      • Mrs. V.

        Yes, show yourself!

  • ze moo

    “It was a high crime to speak against Scientology, and I didn’t want to get sued,” Ekstrand said. “There are so many people coming out, and I’m pretty small potatoes, so why not? Now I’m getting braver.” Tracy Ekstrand

    From Tony’s tweet above.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/03/27/how-one-woman-climbed-her-way-out-of-scientologys-elite-sea-org/

    As the NY Times observed last week, the times they are a changing. Going Clear is going bring out so many who have been keeping their heads down. I will enjoy all the new stories.

    • NOLAGirl

      It’s nice to see that, thanks to this site and many others, there is a welcoming community for members who take the leap of leaving. I’ve heard a few exes say that they were surprised to find all the love and acceptance waiting for them on the outside. It warms my heart to know all these communities are out here for them now.

      • Allie

        I think the film and all of the factual stories coming out plus Gibney and Wright’s stellar reputations will open many people’s hearts to the evilness of Scientology and the hope that families will be re-united.

    • Betsy

      Thanks for this one, Moo. I think it’s hilarious how regularly news coverage now includes messages from “Karin Pouw” practically every other paragraph. “The Church of Scientology says this never happened.” “The Church of Scientology says this person was never a member.”

      What kind of religion sends out 10 denial letters a DAY? By now these “giving both sides” inclusions must be making readers laugh. Their frequency completely belies whatever they claim.

      • Allie

        They are constantly verifying everything said about them in the documentary.
        You’d think Davey (or KP) would have learned by now. Stupid is as stupid does.

      • Missionary Kid

        CBS this morning handled the situation well by announcing, after reading the pronouncements from Co$ that they didn’t provide anyone, so they basically gave all the time to Gibney and Wright. They were saying, in effect, “They had their chance, and didn’t take it.”

        • Betsy

          Oh, Kid, is there a link to that? Were Alex and Larry on CBS today? (I don’t have a TV. I know, I know. Out of it and proud of it.)

          • Missionary Kid

            It was about a week ago, and bunkaroos have posted the video here. Charlie Rose, and everyone else, asked and commented very intelligently.

            • Betsy

              Oh, OK, I saw that one. I thought you were talking about a new one.

              I just took a walk with a neighbor who doesn’t know anything about Co$ except having some vague idea that I am interested. SHE said that she has been seeing interviews, reviews and so on SO MUCH that she is now very anxious to see the movie.

            • Missionary Kid

              Hot Damn! That’s the buzz that money can’t buy.

            • One Human

              Well the footbullet factory was funded by the IAS donors, without whom, we wouldn’t be witnessing such unprecedented expansion!!!

              Thank you COB David Epic Fail Miscavige!!!

            • Missionary Kid

              Amen! That’s why it’simportant to keep him as leader.

    • Suzy

      Please pass the small potatoes! Bushels of them. If former Scientologists are no longer afraid to speak, we will have an avalanche of small potatoes.

      • Billy Bob

        The newest and tastiest delight of the Bunker: Goldenrod small potatoes.

      • Allie

        Good image to shoop. Anyone?

    • Ella Raitch

      How many Scientologists have left vs the 2500 on the spoken-out list? Activists just waiting to happen

    • I’ve had to stop reading all the mainstream articles about Scientology because it enturbulates me so much (ha ha) to see Karin Pouw and her ridiculous denials. They’re not even funny, they’re just idiotic.

  • nottrue

    Just 2 more days DM….

    • Jo

      I love a dog that looks serious.

    • Mymy88

      Don’t forget about us NOLAgirl! We knew you when… when $cien still existed lol.

      • NOLAGirl

        LOL Without the Bunker, I’d know little to nothing about Co$. This is my home base until Dave is dragged off to the penitentiary. 🙂

    • Allie

      He’s definitely got that look that he wants Scientology to go DOWN

    • NOLAGirl

      Bahahaha!! Hardly friends, but it’s damn good to have her voice supporting Going Clear.

      Would love to see the IRS take some action, maybe some Uncle RICO too? 🙂

  • NOLAGirl

    I am in total fangirl freak-out!! *breathes into a paper bag* (F5)

    • generic sock account

      Congrats 🙂

      • NOLAGirl

        Seeing her openly talking about Going Clear and how important it is, that is what is great. I hope she’ll continue to voice her opinions.

        • generic sock account

          She definitely reads this blog, right? There’s no chance she doesn’t.

          *waves*

          • One Human

            Which sock might she be?

            • generic sock account

              I would bet she’s more of a sandals woman. And she’s classier than to wear socks with sandals. C’mon.

            • One Human

              “C’mon” I hear with GOB Bluth’s voice.
              But yes no socks with sandals.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              If she was a sock…her handle would be “toast crumbs”.

              Alas, she is a lurker, but a potent one.
              Hi, Leah.

          • NOLAGirl

            I don’t know if that’s ever been confirmed but it seems like it would be of interest to her.

            • StudentOfLife

              Nolagirl, you should tweet her you are looking forward to her interview in Tony Ortega’s Bunker where she will find so many of her real friends.. You have her attention. Just a simple statement.

            • NOLAGirl

              I don’t think she needs me to tell her that. She is well aware of Tony and if she was going to give an interview, which I don’t know that she is ready to do, I’m sure he would hear from her. ; )

            • StudentOfLife

              We dont know for sure she knows and if she does, a little encouragement never hurts. If she sees all the other ones, she might do it with Paul H and Jason B recently doing it. Sometimes people in fear need encouragement and awareness, that is all.

            • NOLAGirl

              Tony broke the story of her leaving and has spoken with her sister so she is aware. I understand what you’re saying, but I’m just going to keep my mouth shut on that and let her speak out on her own terms, in her own time.

              If you feel like it’s something that should be said, here is a link to her Twitter account: https://twitter.com/LeahRemini

    • Mrs. V.

      SQUEE!

    • MaxSpaceman

      Awesomeness!!!

    • MrsLurksALot

      OMG, that is so freakin’ awesome, love me some Leah. Share that paper bag b/c I’m fangirling YOU right now! Thank you for all the tweets you send and your online activism, you really know how to enturbulate. 😉

      • MaxSpaceman

        Enturblate! Enturbulate! Dance to the music!!

        • MrsLurksALot

          That elicited a guffaw. Thanks!

        • NOLAGirl

          I am suddenly hearing “Enturbulate” to the tune of ‘Mediate’ by INXS. 🙂

        • Betsy

          Max, brain worm, brain worm…all your fault…

      • NOLAGirl

        I am always happy to enturbulate. 🙂 I am SO loving that she’s talking about Going Clear. Every one of her followers can see her tweet. Overtime hours for the employees in the HBO customer service/new subscriptions dept. 🙂

        • Mymy88

          OT for HBO! lol

        • Betsy

          I’m really glad she’s speaking out too, and especially about the movie. SHE is showing the “other celebrities” what they SHOULD be doing.

          • One Human

            Remember this?

            • NOLAGirl

              That is a classic. Talk about a picture being worth a thousand words.

            • Mymy88

              Read it and weep, $cientology.

            • Betsy

              Wow! I hadn’t seen that! Well, another toast from me to Leah.

            • mockingbird

              Just another reason to admire the smoking hot Leah Remini – I never noticed I swear !!! I love my wife , I love my wife !!! Seriously Leah is hot but my wife probably saved me from the RPF !!!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              ….for shame mockingbird…for shame…(i kid i kid)

            • mockingbird

              Hey , Leah is purty , but I got my catch and am very happy to be intending to keep her !!! She has her own growing legion of fans !!!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              She is very pretty. You are both very lucky to have eachother. I think you just dropped hint about your other half but I won’t ask.

            • mockingbird

              We are not famous – her fans read ESMB and my blog !!!I hope I did not give anyone any other impression !!!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              oh i see. I didn’t want to pry but that makes sense. I’m not at ESMB. so glad you guys still have eachother for the support and that you left together.

          • Missionary Kid

            A prediction: Cruise and Travolta will be quiet, even after being called out. Leah will only be the first celebrity to speak out. The floodgates will open. It’ll be like what happened after the first public accusations against Cosby.

            Celebs will come out of the woodwork, no longer afraid. Yeah, I know, it’s piling on, but it couldn’t happen to a more deserving cult.

        • MrsLurksALot

          It’s building, the excitement and anticipation. Hopefully, after Sunday, Leah will speak out even more. I’d like to check into the Bunker one morning and find an exclusive interview with Leah by Tony…I think it would break Disqus.

          • Allie

            Yes, please. That would be absolutely FABULOUS

          • WildaBeast

            We come pretty close to breaking Disqus most days here already! Although maybe now that I have a decent laptop, that won’t seem to true for me :p

    • Mymy88

      Me too! Awesome! Squeeeeeeee. Eh hem, wait a minute, I’m to old to be a fan girl (hanging my head) NOT! Doing the happy jig! Doo doo doo!

      • MrsLurksALot

        You are never too old to fangirl, it is fun for all ages!

    • Zer0

      How awesome, NOLAGirl! Congrats! High five!!

    • Betsy

      Oh! NOLA! Lie down with this cold cloth on your forehead for a few minutes…

    • Allie

      Nice inspiring quote from Leah. Cool that she tweeted you, NOLA.

    • Lucille Austero

      Awesome! !

    • EnthralledObserver

      I’m excited for you! Funny how we all react to celebs – even though there’s a part of us (me) sometimes rejecting that celebs are actually important people in the big picture. Celebrity for celebrity’s sake is nausea inducing – BUT I LOVE LEAH! 😉

      • NOLAGirl

        I don’t care much about many celebs either, but I love Leah too. She’s so kick-ass, how can you not love her? 🙂

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      NOLA that is so cool!!

    • Zer0

      Nola Ima make a post on twitter. How should the post be structured, to promote the bunker, I don’t post much, but I have 1000+ followers.

      • NOLAGirl

        (insert your words here). Find out more at tonyortega.org #Scientology #GoingClear

        • Zer0

          Harpoons fires. I had > 1000 followers today, hopefully they will be faithful:)

          • Zer0

            Several retweets have been spawned, so that should be exponential. My pleasure.

          • NOLAGirl

            Hang tight Zer0, you actually may lose a couple (I did) but with Going Clear about to hit the US like hurricane, expect those who un-followed you to be replaced by those who have questions. 🙂

    • BFM

      Leah is just awesome. Just when I started to think why she is not making any public statement about scientology… she does THIS! Just Awesome.

      I am never ever going to doubt her anymore. She makes it very clear where she stands!

      • NOLAGirl

        She sure did. And we never know what her reasons for staying (kind of) quiet, so we can’t judge. She will talk in her own time, and we will no doubt, have a front row seat. 🙂

    • Baby

      I would die on the spot NO’Leans.. DIE

      • NOLAGirl

        Girl, I had to look twice to make sure it was really a tweet FROM her. LOL I’m so glad Tony got to talk to her and that she confirms she reads the Bunker. Hey Leah!!! 😀

  • flyonthewall

    More mainstream news goodness, this time from Yahoo (F5)

    • Mymy88

      Ahhhh, savor worthy.

      • flyonthewall

        cool as a mountain stream worthy

        • generic sock account

          I’ll tell you what’s cool as a mountain stream: the fact that you have internet access in your nursing home. 😉

          • flyonthewall

            that and the extra pudding on saturdays

  • ze moo

    Remember the puppies and kittens and wounded warriors. Only 4 days left. Thank Xenu….

    http://www.milner.com/jumpstart/jumpstart-tampa

  • The Dude

    I know this has been said but, yesterday I got out of work and went to my car. Started it and the radio comes on. NPR(always). I was not paying attention while organizing my stuff. When a voice from the radio sounded so familiar. It took me a couple of seconds to dawn on me that it was Mike Rinder. Afterwards I was thinking that it is kind of weird that I have never met this man, but I could recognize his voice anywhere. Kinda sad. I am a $cio junkie.

    • Zer0

      He’s an excellent speaker. I thought he did a great job with the Megyn Kelly interview.

      • The Dude

        In my own defense. He has a unmistakable accent. Deep nasal tone.

        • EnthralledObserver

          With a not quite Aussie, Aussie twang – lol. He’s certainly a mixture of accents these days. Some Brit, some US, some Aussie… and maybe even more I haven’t identified yet.

          • Allie

            At first I had trouble understanding him. Now I’m used to it and I love his accents and pacing of his words.

            • EnthralledObserver

              He is unique! His voice is actually quite soothing, if I think about it, it is clear why he got the spokesperson job. And he’s certainly sharp.

            • The Dude

              No doubt.

            • Zer0

              Yes, he has a soothing voice and slow but accurate wording

    • Allie

      Glad to hear, Dude, that you’re an NPR junkie as well. Me too (always)

      • The Dude

        The best thing about getting stuck in traffic in the morning. Is that if I am running late. BBC World Report starts at 9:00. I miss it most of the time.
        Yeah. NPR junkie. $cio-internet fringes junkie.
        And beer. I really like beer.

        • NOLAGirl

          Don’t forget bitter SP, paid by Big Pharma. Also, one very cool Dude. 🙂

          • The Dude

            Marcabian-loving bitter SP. The most counter-intention Thetan ever born

        • MrsLurksALot

          I think we were separated at birth.

      • Dale A.

        Me three, and the voice of Jason Beghe is right up there in recognizabilityness.

        • Allie

          Jason is a very classy guy. Love your last word-that’s a mouthful to say.
          ETA: typo

    • anoni81b4u

      I also listen to npr and am a stupidtology junkie ..

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I heard it last night at 5:45 pm – a prime time I think, for people commuting.

      • The Dude

        Spot on. And how are you,My Lovely?

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I am excited about Sunday! A small party at my place, I signed up for HBO…

          • The Dude

            Yay!

    • BFM

      Watching $cientology is almost just as addictive as being an active one :)! Watch out man! LOL

  • Peggy oh!

    I got my HBO today and my snacks! Ready for Sunday!

    • MrsLurksALot

      Now that you have HBO, I highly suggest you watch the documentary series “The Jinx: The Lives and Deaths Robert Durst.” Fascinating. As a matter of fact, HBO airs some of the best docs available. It is well worth the subscription fees, if you can overlook the constant Tom Cruise barrage.

      • Peggy oh!

        Thanks! I don’t think I can watch that particular doc yet, but I’m thankful he’s been charged! I am sick, and too much painful information actually makes my condition worse. It wears me down. It’s like I don’t have any skin at all. Metaphorically.

        Though I’ve been reading the bunker frequently for a couple of years, I don’t think I could be here everyday like I have lately, or starting to comment if this all wasn’t ultimately hopeful and good news. There are still some stories I have to skip until a day when I am stronger.

        I know it’s good news he got charged, but he he isn’t convicted.

        I know scientology won’t disappear on March 30, but this doc is an awful good “wedge” between scientology and the world. To me that is hopeful.

        But yeah, I’m going to enjoy my time with HBO while I have it! 🙂 I was going to just have to wait for hbo now to come out in April. But advice on the bunker helped me find a way. 🙂 gotta love the bunker!

  • The Dude

    I have been wanting to check out the digs in Quincy Massachusetts that the chult put up. It is on the third floor of a huge half-block sized building. I lack the nads to actually go up there and check it out. I know I don’t have the poker face to go in there. My disgust would be apparent.
    But I want to see the state they are in since moving from Boston. They had a gorgeous mansion in The Back Bay.

    • Eileen

      I don’t think there is much to see, they are shopping for a larger space in Boston (snicker…), and will likely sell the Alexandra for less than they bought it. I heard the Delphi school has closed, don’t know this for sure. The only clams in Boston are steamed, and they are delicious!
      ETA: Checked, and Delphi is still open, but the numbers are poor (information from a parent of a former Delphi student).

      • The Dude

        The Alexandra is sold as far as I know.

        • The Dude

          Huge lulz!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Yes it is outrageous. They are such losers. Are you feeling better? I am so glad you did not leave us at this important moment in history!

    • Pierrot

      English lessons: ask for JJ aka James , books=Gregory, classes on anyyyy ruin you have = Nick.
      Report their spam: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-118#post-2514616 , (Note that is an old sample, that did work)
      flag their ads, check the Regional List in the RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

  • nottrue

    Bert Leahy doing his thing….https://youtu.be/LHpjIESKw0Q

    • generic sock account

      That’s not even a standup routine. He’s just telling a true story. Wtf?

    • EnthralledObserver

      Cute little comedy debut. Not hysterically funny, but a couple giggles… I do appreciate the subject and the Going Clear plug – so it was worth it. 🙂

  • Jgg2012

    From a Fox piece on ISIS: ” Senseless brutality, women sold into sex, entire families lost all in the name of religion? ” Change “sold into sex” to “forced to have abortions” and you have another terrorist group which the civilized world would not tolerate.

  • Mark

    How much longer will Travolta be prepared to put up with just about anything, as long as it means a ‘quiet’ life? Really is time he spoke up. (Refresh with kid gloves):

    • Todd Tomorrow

      As soon as he finds the exercise equipment at the gyms he frequents. Instead of spending all that time in the sauna!

  • Jane

    I’m interested by the band being organised by an ‘anonymous’ scientology front group to play and proselytise in colleges. I honestly believe that scientology has had a drip drip drip effect on values in our society. Rathbun himself said that the system of scientology ethics is the reverse of everyone else’s. In the UK we are not allowed to make religious value statements in schools unless we clearly identify who we are and whose views (ie which religion) we are expressing. The uber-confidence of scientologists – together with the way that they portray themselves as secular when it suits – when expressing their ‘ethical’ views will have gradually been absorbed by those on the receiving end…..just as a paper towel absorbs drops of ink.

    • Ah, but spreading misinformation about drugs is not religious! Too many schools let in “say no to drugs” or whatever they’re called this week.

  • anoni81b4u

    I don’t have HBO .. But I know someone who does 🙂

  • StillAmused

    Pressure works both ways. White House We The People Petition:

    http://wh.gov/iZiyW

    Order the United States’ Internal Revenue Service to investigate and
    re-examine the tax-exempt status of the organization(s) comprising the Church
    of Scientology.

    • Betsy

      OK, I signed! Just as you say…we need to do a reverse of what was done to the IRS in the 90s (although not using black ops and spurious lawsuits because we are DECENT people). Pelt them with demands. I signed another such petition a few days ago. The more the better!

      • StillAmused

        I wanted to do this a while back but was kind of scared… but now is the time, I think. If they ride this out it may be too late and they can return to thier bag of tricks. Tony and all the folk involved with carrying the story to this point have made it possible for people to speak up and I think we should. They may be powerful but I don’t think they can infiltrate a White House website… I hope. ;). Haha.

    • PRenaud

      I don’t think I can sign it, I’m from Canada.

      • StillAmused

        I think you are correct… but you can share the link with folks. 🙂

    • Billy Bob

      There was another one on this site but I can’t find it now.

      • StillAmused

        The way the petition site works is that it isn’t “publicly” available on the site until 150 people sign the petition. Then it becomes public. Prior to that, the only way people can find it is by sharing the link to it that they provide you… in this case, this link:

        http://wh.gov/iZiyW

        So, in order for it to get any traction at all it has to get 150 signatures. If not, it just goes away. I didn’t find another one on the petition site so I presume that is what happened to any other ones… not enough signatures to keep it going.

        I started this one now because if ever there was a time when “the people” could get traction, it is now…

  • Miss Tia

    Hello Bunker!!! I’m not on my new computer, cuz even though I ordered it direct from HP on the phone and the guy gave me free overnight shipping—I ordered before the deadline so it’d be delivered today—oh no, it hasn’t shipped yet!! Uh?? I called and they were perplexed too “it should have shipped but it didn’t” DUH!!! NOW they say Monday or Tuesday. I wanna thank the offers for help and there are 2 people in particular (but I dunno if they wanna be named) I’d like to thank, both who covered the new computer!! I couldn’t get eddie’s laptop to synch with my firefox for the past couple days so i finally just rolled his firefox back (he’ll never know). WRITE ALL YOUR PASSWORDS DOWN!! Don’t count on the computer to remember!!

    What a horrible yet wonderful week!! Melon–spawn of Skittles–had a rapidly developing ear infection Wednesday and I got her to the vet before her ear drum burst, as it was on it’s way to doing that. Poor little thing. I’ll attach a file photo of Melon, she still looks the same. She got an antibiotic shot (1/3 of the total bill right there); steroid shot; ear goop; thorough exam; and they examined her ear goop–it was infection. I blamed Skittles for this, cuz well it’s her spawn! 🙂

    Thursday, second day in a row I woke up with my left eye really red and sort of mildly painful —felt like an eye lash in it but there wasn’t one and my vision was messed up–even through my glass lens. Wednesday it stopped after a few hours so I figured allergies. Thursday it was worse and my vision didn’t get better after a few hours so I called the eye dr. They said to come in because she was going out of town thru Monday. Go out there–basically driving one eyed, and she was impressed and amazed, that i have a perfectly straight CUT across my left eye. She said it’s like a little razor was taken to my eye it is that perfectly straight. Could I have rubbed an eye lash in my eye in my sleep? Nope, she said that would scratch my eye and not cut it like this. She just couldn’t get over this cut and said she’d never seen anything like this before. I have ZERO clue how it happened. I don’t even rub my eyes. I’m going with nocturnal body thetan attack. I got there in time as it was starting to get infected. I’ve got ointment to put in 4 times a day and it’s harder than you think, it mostly ends up on my eye lashes. Bright light also hurts my eye right now, so that has helped? the computer deprivation! I go back Monday—watch fedex show up then, i’ll be leaving a note for them to go around the corner to eddie’s and he’ll sign for it—for a follow up.

    The WONDERFUL part of the week was the love from the bunker!! 🙂 PRICELESS! ♥

    • Miss Tia

      Oh, my vintage ads community has weekend events and this weekend was 1960s ads, biomes and i added ‘clear’ ads and in the description i put: Ads for ‘clear’ products/items: glassware, windows, scientologists, see thru clothing (behind cut if NSFW please), etc….

      i’ll post a tom cruise ad 😉

      • Miss Tia

        i tagged it with ‘douche’ too….haha….couldn’t help myself….i told the ‘keeper of the tags’ to not change my tags–they’re a librarian at boston u, so they do excellent PROPER tagging….

        http://vintage-ads.livejournal.com/5937772.html

    • generic sock account

      Hey, I remember you. Good to see you.

      • Miss Tia

        Thanks socks! 🙂

    • Juicer77

      Glad you are up and running. Eek on the eye scratch! Wash your hands VERY WELL after scooping the kitty box and don’t touch your eyes. Check downthread for the frog-to-be pic I left for you!

      • Miss Tia

        i always try to keep my hands away from my eyes….it’s not even a scratch, she said it’s a cut! i can’t see it looking in the mirror –course i have one working eye—but she has the super duper magnifiers and lights and she put dye in my eye…..strangest thing —you’d think i’d know that happened!!

        EXCELLENT advice on doing cat boxes!! i was gonna change them tomorrow….i don’t have goggles to put on, but i will try to keep my left eye closed when changing them!! THANK YOU!!!!

        i’ll scroll down a bit for that……i don’t wanna adjust his laptop settings but i might have to change the brightness….

        • stillgrace2

          Oh yeah! Cat Box Safety! I wear safety goggles, gloves, and a dust mask! Once something flew into my eye during the task, hence the goggles! Eyes are an efficient avenue for germs to get inside the body.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            That is true…I can tell you a trufax worm from the eyeball removal story…but it would be gross.
            Luckily it is an aquaintance and not my own………..shivers.

            • Observer

              *faints*

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yeah, he has a dvd of the removal. I only made it through the beginning.
              YIKES>!

            • Observer

              I’d spend the rest of my life sitting in a corner and rocking back and forth.

            • generic sock account

              That’s probably what the worm was trying to do until someone blew up his spot.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              OH I KNOW!

            • generic sock account

              It’d be weird if your own worm was in your eyeball. Good thing it is only an acquaintance.

            • stillgrace2

              The Calicivirus vaccine for cats is administered by eyedrops.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              WAit? wuh?
              We are talking about Cats?

              By the way, …Eddie is 14PLUS pounds and he says HI.

            • stillgrace2

              We need an update photo of the big guy! Doodlebug says HI back! He’s going to be fourteen in one month. He tops out at eleven pounds.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I will get a nice photo of his fat self as soon as I come back from CW.
              Gotta go watch a movie with the tinfoil hat brigade.

              But he is HUGE…………..H.U.G.E.

            • generic sock account

              I know a human that’s barely 14 lbs.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Me too. This cat is bigger than my grandbaby!

            • Observer

              But is your grandbaby the ecclesiastical leader of the eleventy million Scientologists? I thought not!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              No, much worse. He is the ecclesiatical leader of BTNdom.
              I bow to his presence and I love it when he strikes me with a big ol paw!!!

            • generic sock account

              Maybe not, but I’m sure they could both fit in Cabbage Patch Doll clothes.

            • Jo

              That’s gross, spill the beans.

          • Miss Tia

            I always wear latex gloves when changing them….and when i’ve been able to wear contacts—not in the past few months i get dry eyes in the winter, i always change them before i put my contacts in and am still wearing my glasses…..

    • stillgrace2

      What a sweet little girl!

      • Miss Tia

        Melon is VERY sweet!

    • Missionary Kid

      Was the swollen eye on the side that your head had contact with the pillow? That’s a contact allergy, and washing the pillow frequently will help.

      I trained myself to sleep on my back, so I don’t have that problem with sinuses on the side that I slept on. Occasionally, I will be so tired that I fall asleep face down. I wake up with a puffy face on that side.

      • generic sock account

        I take all the sharp objects out of my pillows before I sleep, too.

        • Miss Tia

          i’m gonna stick with it was a nocturnal body thetan attack!

        • Missionary Kid

          Must have been the rocks I had in my pillow.

      • Miss Tia

        no, not that side….and it’s a cut on my eye, not an allergy….i have horrible spring allergies and i wear a bandana over my hair when i go outside—two right now with tree pollen out—and i change my clothes when i come in and my pillow cases get changed every other day….i have horrible allergies….i really thought this was my allergies affecting my eye—i wish it had been!!

        • Missionary Kid

          Being a guy, I just shower & wash my hair after being outside. Living out here in the desert, the pollens I’m allergic to aren’t here, for the most part.

          • Miss Tia

            i use to wash my hair at night but it was a pain because it’s really long and i hated going to bed with wet hair, but if i didn’t wash it my eyes would be swollen, my allergies just a mess so i just started wearing bandanas–i wear my hair twisted up so it’s all covered……i had no allergies until around age 22….now it’s basically ‘spring’….then ‘fall’….spring is the worst though…..

    • Dancing Cranberry

      To put salve in your own eye, pinch the lower lid (very gently, with clean fingers) and form a little pouch. Put the salve in there and then close the eye and gentle massage the salve over the entire eye.

      • noseinabk

        I am attempting to do this 3 times a day on my daughters multiple styes. She has drops and ointment and just the site of them make her squint. Fun times.

        • Miss Tia

          oh a drop would be great!! ointment?! SMH….i think my kitties are getting some karma for all the times thru the years i’ve had to medicate THEIR eyes with ointment!! no wonder they fought this!

      • Miss Tia

        yeah, that’s how my eye dr. and the pharmacist said to do it….but um, i should have done the first dose in front of them, cuz when i do that–then go to close my eye, it ends up on my eye lashes….as soon as close the ‘pouch’ it pushes ALL the ointment up and OUT to my lashes before my eye has a chance to close….i hear carnival music playing in the distance 😉

        the pharmacist DID say i could put it on my eye with my finger—but the dr. didn’t want me to do that, for obvious reasons, no matter how clean my hands were…..i DO get some on my eye…..and all around my eye 😀

      • generic sock account

        After years of wearing contacts, I can touch my eyeball without blinking. It’s one of those not-so-rare talents that no one will pay you for and no one wants to see.

        • Lucille Austero

          And no one wants you to talk about 😉

    • Jo

      Ouch, take care of your eye Miss Tia. Cute cat x

      • Miss Tia

        i will pass that onto melon when i goop her ear at bedtime!! i just told skittles someone complimented one of her spawn—she yelled, i think that was ‘thank you’….

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh Miss Tia, I am so glad to see you but I am not happy to hear about your eye. Like everyone else says, keep it clean, be careful, and I hope you get your new computer soon!

      • Miss Tia

        It’ll be here Monday or Tuesday!! FedEx stalking shall continue! 😀 Thanks FMFH! 🙂 Yeah, the eye is a pain–feels like an eye lash is stuck in there and sometimes it feels stabby….but it’ll get better, i got there in time, whew! 🙂

    • Juicer77
      • Miss Tia

        oh thank you!! i scrolled for quite awhile and didn’t find it and then had to go try to get a few other things done!! future baby toads (or frogs)!!!! i have a pix on my FB of thousands of toad eggs laid within a couple days! i can’t wait to hear the toads start coming out of hibernating in another 3 weeks or so! 🙂

        • Juicer77

          I think I deleted my original description, these are peeper frogs in my waterfall. It was refilling and I found these gems 🙂 going to be a LOUD summer, LOL

          • Miss Tia

            peeper frogs? i have to admit to not knowing much about frogs….i have had one frog in my yard thru the years….but i have hundreds of toads…..there’ll be thousands of tadpoles in the little ponds….i LOVE my toads!!! i cannot WAIT to hear them as they come out of hibernation…i watched one dig his way out last year….so fascinating!!! toads can live up to 40 years too!! once a couple come out of hibernation they get in the pond and start ‘calling’ then i’ll hear ‘calls’ from the yard as the others dig their way out—sort of like “hey, the pond is thawed get out here” and they’re climbing out of their hole “we’re coming we coming”…..

            i LOVE nature sounds….toads, birds, etc…..

    • Heh. That’s why I switched to a Mac. A lot more stable, and the backup software is a dream to operate.

  • Always Amazed

    Tony, thanks for sharing. I am so glad Spanky has gone on to live a happy fulfilling life in spite of the insipid evil Co$. Bravo to her for speaking out. Her story was heartbreaking to see on the screen, shame on you JT.

  • ScnMonkeyNuts

    It’s that time of the evening when I post the fruits of my (futile!) labour battle with windows paint. For the Bunker’s perusal tonight… ah hell, who am I kidding, you know what’s coming next 🙂 F5:

    Edited.

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s right! I get the HBO East feed as well as the West, on DirecTV, and I’ve been told that the same is true for Dish TV so I get to watch it at 5 pm PDT. I’ve set the countdown function on my phone to go off a half-hour before the show.

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        Damn–sorry for being EDT–centric MK! (Comes from living in a country with 1 time–zone!) I guess that it means that HBO Go will have it available from 8pm Eastern too. (ETA: I think I read that in one of the Bunker comments threads recently–but a bit hard to keep up with the 1,000+ comments every day 🙂 )

        • Missionary Kid

          Let’s just say that in the U.S., it will be shown at 0000 GMT on the 30th.

          • ScnMonkeyNuts

            I prefer that–far less ambiguous. (It also means that, technically, it’s being shown on Monday 🙂 )

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        It will be wild at the Bunker because people will be watching at different times!

        • Missionary Kid

          Since I’ve already seen it, and was going to write a review, but the BBC and others did such better jobs than I, I’ll be waiting to see all the reactions.

          I’ll bet Tony will have a second post on Sunday. It’s not only going to be Sunday Funnies, but Sunday FUN!

        • Betsy

          It’s going to be a party, just like it was the night it premiered at Sundance! Comments were coming in so fast that you couldn’t keep up with them…it was a PARTAY! I hope people will come in to share their reactions and we can all celebrate this night we have waited for!

      • MaxSpaceman

        You’ll be live with the NY viewing ! Fun.

    • Hot damn, Thunderbird 2 with the mole!

      Have that show on DVD. Loved it as a kid. Still love it.

      Oh, and nice Paint work

  • BFM

    Hi bunker friends :-)!

    The ranks are closing.

    I am so happy to see Leah tweeting about Going Clear (she is going to watch it for the 1st time) and her mentioning that she has read Lawrence Wright’s book and thought it was spot on!

    It’s significant she is taking a stand in the public domain. I hope more celebs will follow her lead after Sunday.

    • aegerprimo

      Good news!

  • Miss Cabbage

    Note to David M…
    Bend over and grab your ankles. Get ready for some relentless enturbulation!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      He’d love it he already fantasizes about Yager

      • scottmercer

        Brain bleach!!!!!

  • Zer0

    Twitter is watching the Bunker.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      That is because twitter is Eunichs with nothin better to do.

      • Zer0

        Meanie

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I know U love me 😉

          • Zer0

            Only if u luv me back srsly:) jk jk

    • generic sock account

      Fine. I’ll put some pants on. But I’m not happy about it.

      • Kim O’Brien

        you should make those sox red ..just saying 🙂

        • generic sock account

          I hate Boston teams purely out of jealousy and spite.

      • Jo

        Pants and socks? In Whales that’s confusing. Pants are trousers. Edit, Wales.

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        Would that be American pants, or English (a very big difference, whilst I’m not wearing pants, I am wearing trousers at the moment 🙂 )

        • generic sock account

          In America, we wear American pants. Unless you have money. Then your pants are most likely from somewhere else.

          • ScnMonkeyNuts

            Hahahaha–what we, here in little ol’ Englandshire, call pants are probably more accurately described as ‘undergarments’ 🙂

            • scottmercer

              That’s why there was an American magazine covering British rock music called The Trouser Press. (After the Bonzo Dog Band song.)

    • Juicer77

      Yay!

    • Vaquera

      How do you mean? (My brain has been stuck on stupid all day)

      • Zer0

        I put this funk out for my followers

        • Vaquera

          What funk? (again stupid. sorry)

          • Zer0

            Just the HBO excitement

  • Allie

    Just want to say what a treasure trove the Bunker is! In addition to J&Ding, shoops, & scientology info and exes stories, there are recipes and party menus and cocktails and wine pairings
    cat/doggie photos & care and eye care
    music – lots of music and computer advice
    hugs, smooches & high fives and lots of respect and support
    tweets & re-tweets and lots of humor and snark
    popcorn and caek
    and no troll chew toys to play with
    And this is just for today.
    Many thanks to our proprietor Tony for hosting such an educational, stimulating, fun and comfy Bunker .
    And thanks to everyone here for making this a great place to hang out, snark and learn.
    Regards from a grateful newbie
    Edited for spacing

    • edge

      This is one of the best sites on the interwebs for me. And hey, it’s Friday night. What could possibly be better than a diverse community hangout such as ours? Graduation at Flag? (snicker, snort)

      • Missionary Kid

        Hahahahahaha. Graduation at Flag. Great one!

    • Betsy

      This IS a great place. And come in for the party on Sunday! It will be rocking.

  • KNMF

    Scientology taught me that Mike Rinder drinks Bud Light. Pick up a six pack for your Going Clear watching party.

  • Kristin Rawls

    Wow, so this was published today, and already I see there are 1276 comments… I don’t have time to read them all, but I did see some of the debate about AA and NA. I apologize if this point has already been made, but when I think about AA and NA as an alternative for people who have escaped from coercive religious movements, I get nervous. I’m neither for nor against the organization as such. As others have said, I think success in the program depends on the person.

    But here’s what makes me nervous about people with past experiences in fundamentalism — or really with any past traumas at all, and most humans have some trauma somewhere in our life stories: As it has been explained to me, past traumas like abuse are considered “outside issues” that are not meant to be discussed in AA. I think that’s crap, and I would almost certainly argue that 12 steps alone are not enough because people need to deal with trauma and its relationship to their addiction. I have probably oversimplified the point, but at the same time… Not everyone who goes into AA is going to be a scholar able to make nuanced points about it or understand that AA is not the one-size-fits-all solution it’s sometimes presented as in popular culture.

    I don’t have any personal history in Scientology, and I’m not an addict. And unlike Scientology, I really do believe the principles behind AA were developed with the best of intentions. But I do have experience with other kinds of religious fundamentalism, and I have a lot of family members and friends in recovery. I am extremely careful with addictive substances because I already know AA wouldn’t work for me if I developed a problem — like, I’m 35 and have been drunk for a total of 2 times in my entire life.

    The mantras have always seemed cult-y to me. That there are steps to the process at all makes me think of moving up OT levels in Scientology. And I’m not entirely sure I’d be comfortable with being forced to acknowledge the existence of a “higher power” in order to participate in the program, even if people act like this is no big deal and say things like, “But you don’t have to acknowledge god or anything. You can call your cat or dog anything your higher power.” More than one person has actually said this to me when I’ve asked about the issue — I used to work in mitigation, and I sometimes asked questions about the 12 step groups inmates were going to for treatment. I’ve also asked family members about it.

    And I’m sorry, but if I’m an addict, then I have a life-threatening disease, right? So, I’m not interested in sitting around reciting mantras. Platitudes have always really pissed me off, and it’s really really going to fester if I’m forced to sit down and say the fucking serenity pledge before a meeting. (Am I allowed to curse here? I apologize if it’s frowned upon.) And to add insult to injury, I’ve now got to invent some stupid “higher power” that can be something as trivial as the computer I’m using to write this comment, just so I can move up the 12-step ladder.

    And above all else, if I’m an addict, I really need to understand the connections between my traumatic experiences and my addiction. Healing from trauma seems like maybe the first step, if there must be steps, in treating addiction. So, AA… I’m really not arguing against it. But I really worry about its use with people who are leaving fundamentalism of any kind, or with people who haven’t begun the healing process after experiencing serious childhood trauma and abuse. Certain tenets in NA and AA sound eerily like the language used in Scientology and other coercive religions to me. I don’t think the steps really encourage critical thinking. Nor does the fact that you’re banned from responding to what people say at meetings.

    So, yeah… I’d actually appreciate… What is there besides AA? I have family members who are frustrated with the 12 steps, but since I care about them, I’d like to be able to recommend things to them that I know are not destructive.

    • generic sock account

      AA asks you to accept a higher power. Something, anything, that is more powerful and important than yourself. That’s a looong ways away from fundamentalism.

      And it’s about support. It’s about having someone, some group that will be there for you when you’re at your weakest. It’s not about recitation. It’s not even a substitute for proper rehabilitation, and it doesn’t claim to be. It’s only about the support system.

      • Kristin Rawls

        But I don’t understand at all how it’s support if no one can respond to what you say at all, other than to clap when you earn the next chip. And how could anyone say that this definitely would be a good thing for someone leaving something like Scientology? Wouldn’t you need to be able to respond, ask questions, have debates?

        • Frodis73

          In my experiences in AA there is NO debate and they def do not like people (like me) that ask a lot of questions…I got sick of hearing platitudes and told to shut up and listen. AA and I were not a good fit. There are other groups out there and they are mentioned in the atlantic article. You can also google aa alternatives for most of them. Since they are so small most of them have pretty good online communities.

          • Kristin Rawls

            Yeah, I’m pretty sure this is what I would be like in AA, and what a lot of people I like would be like. I understand the appeal of having a network of people you can call in a pinch to get a ride to the grocery store, but in terms of finding some kind of effective therapy, I’m not very optimistic.

            • Billy Bob

              Not all AA groups are the same. In a large city you can shop around.

            • Kristin Rawls

              True. I lived in a medium-sized city for most of my life, and I’ve heard that this is true. But I’ve definitely spoken to people in the rural area where I live now who have had more trouble finding a good fit, or where they worry about everyone in their small town learning all their business.

        • generic sock account

          That’s just not true. You’re not allowed to judge others after they share some of their experience, but you’re certainly allowed to talk to others. People make lifelong friends in AA. Marriages and long-term relationships. All the time.

          • Kristin Rawls

            Well… Maybe meetings are different from group to group. I went to meetings, actually, when I was training to be a mitigation investigator, not tons of them. And I’ve gone to meetings of friends getting chips for meeting their sobriety goals. I’m not really an expert, but I’ve certainly been exposed to the culture of some of the groups. And people were not allowed to respond to others’ stories at all, and not only to avoid being judgmental. They couldn’t even say things like, “Wow, I really appreciate what you said about [some random thing], it really helped me understand my own recovery better…” in front of the whole group.

            • Frodis73

              Yes, during the meetings there is no discussion, back and forth type q+a. etc. After you have been going for awhile and get friendly with people there will be more discussion but it will happen before/after the meetings or outside of meetings all together. Also, most big cities have a lot of different meetings and they all have a different vibe. Some are more relaxed and others more militant. I did okay with the more relaxed ones, but after about 6 mos or so, I was just really struggling with it. It is *very* cult like imho.
              Also, the whole addiction is a disease/medical problem and not a moral problem…but we are going to treat it as if it IS a moral problem via religion/spirituality/whatever and totally discount any and all science that says different really, really got to me.

            • Kristin Rawls

              I felt that way too, in the few meetings I attended. I would say… I do think it depends on the personality of the person going for treatment. Me, I would become very hostile very quickly about what I perceived as stupid, New Agey platitudes, but then I know other people for whom it’s easy to just let this type of thing roll off and instead take only what seems helpful to them from AA.

              For one thing, I feel like maybe this is a program that’s not great for introverts, if you have to get to know people well before you can ask them any questions. It takes me a long time to get to know anyone well. Years, really. And I think people with academic types of jobs or other highly intellectual jobs that require constant analysis could also struggle. Also people who don’t appreciate team-building exercises at work… Seriously, it makes me mad to have to take time away from my actual work to go on a damn ropes course and do “trust exercises” with people… But if you like or can at least tolerate this sort of thing, maybe you’d do okay.

            • Frodis73

              Yes! I do not do well in groups and def hate getting up and talking in front of folks…that caused me some problems with a lot of the ‘old timers’. They think if you are not sharing in meetings then you are using again. Wtf? Lol. No, some folks just don’t want to share stuff with a room full of strangers. It’s great for some people, but it is not the end all be all they make it out to be…it’s just not for everybody. Towards the end, it became a source of anxiety and stress for me actually. Like MK said up above, the best thing I did get out of it was a source of people that were not drinking/drugging. That part did help me out a lot as I could slowly build a bit of a social life again that did not involve going out and partying. 🙂

    • Eileen

      Find a good therapist.

      • Kristin Rawls

        Right, yes! But what about people without health insurance for whom AA is the only available support? This is what I’ve run into with people. Where can they go where they don’t have to spend a lot of money that is not a fundamentalist religious encampment of some kind? Or AA. I don’t really know if there is anything, and if the prisoners I met were any indication, neither did they.

        • Eileen

          I meant for yourself.

          • Kristin Rawls

            Right, that would be available to me, but I’m not worried about myself in this case.

            • Eileen

              That may be the problem.

            • Kristin Rawls

              Huh? You mean I shouldn’t be concerned about the people I know in recovery, or you’re agreeing with the point I made that lack of options for a lot of people is problematic?

            • Eileen

              I call troll, ignore tech employed.

            • Kristin Rawls

              oh ffs…

        • MadMaxi

          I had no insurance and that is why Al Anon was recommended to me, as cheap therapy. Was on a waiting list for the reduced cost state mental health at the time. It sucks to live in such a wealthy country and have so few resources for mental health and addiction services.

    • dungeon master

      David edgar love posted his email Addy down thread for lists of alternative programs

      • Kristin Rawls

        Yeah… I mean, is there no online resource anywhere that lists reputable groups and programs? And I saw that. I will contact him if it gets to that point with anybody I know and I can’t find anything.

        • Lucille Austero

          I think our main message to you would be to AVOID NARCONON at all costs.

          • Kristin Rawls

            Definitely. Fortunately, I’ve read Wright and Reitman’s books and enough of this blog to feel comfortable telling people that much. And though I am moving to New York in a couple months, I currently live in what I’m pretty sure is the least Scientology-influenced state in the Union (not Connecticut). I looked it up, and there are like 3 Scientologists registered in the whole state. And it’s one of the big highly-populated states. To my knowledge, I’ve never even met a practicing Scientologist. That’s not the danger facing most of the folks I’ve met most immediately, but it will certainly come up if they start to look to programs in other states.

            • Kristin Rawls

              By the way, is there a good memoir or journalistic account out there about what actually happens in Narconon? I haven’t seen much writing about Scientology that focuses on that, but as others pointed out here, it seems like that’s where Scientology will have to focus to get new recruits these days, given that most people who are not extra-vulnerable are just going to Google Scientology before they join.

        • Billy Bob

          Davis Edgar Love has a list. Message him on FB. He gave out his email address down thread so he will give it to you of you ask.
          https://www.facebook.com/pages/David-Edgar-Love/356938837663549?sk=info

          • Kristin Rawls

            okay

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      I would just point out that NarCONon is a $cn front group that peddles dangerous, medically unsound rubbish made up by L Ron Hubbard.

      • Kristin Rawls

        Oh, I would for sure, but one acquaintance of mine ended up in a rehab place that gave them things like chicken necks to eat and made them do manual labor just because it was the only thing he could find other than AA. He has a doctorate and at one time made a whole lot of money, so if that’s where he ended up… That was a Christian-affiliated group. I know Narconon is bad, but I’d never heard of this Christian group and am pretty sure it was only affiliated to one non-denominational fundamentalist church in Connecticut. I think AA may be the least dangerous and most helpful things available, and I just… Yeah, I don’t know.

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          I am probably not qualified to answer your question, as I live in a country that has a National Health Service–so all medical care, counselling and rehabilitation is provided free of charge, sorry.

          • Kristin Rawls

            Fair enough.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Sober tools, something to check out, too @ discoveringalcoholic. com

    • Frodis73

      Coming out of lurk mode (computer issues) to say I loved your post. There is a facinating article at the Atlantic about AA. AA gets all the attention (for many reasons I won’t get into) but there are other programs out there that your family can check out (included in the linked story).

      http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/03/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/

      • Kristin Rawls

        Oh, thank you. I’ll check it out.

      • Kristin Rawls

        Reading the article now. It is indeed one of the best things I’ve seen about this topic.

    • StudentOfLife

      I can speak with some experience here, given tomorrow I speak on “Is AA a cult?” My father is still a Jehovah Witness as is my older brother who is one of the hierarchy authors behind the scenes for the Watchtower (those cultists never identify themselves). I’m the never-in who is a victim of Lie-in-tology. Let’s” posutale” I”m an overeducated geek who has a lot of experience with AA. I’m a Unitarian Universalist because it’s the only church I can be atheistic, wicca, or buddhist, or whatever and be respected given I hate religion but understand our need to fantasize things happen for a good reason even if we don’t comprehend. I think Scott Peck got it right when he praised addicts because the ego sometimes needs to be broken. I read the Atlantic Glaser article with great interest and it missed the point of AA from my viewpoint. I’ve only seen a less than 10 percent claim of success in the over decade I’ve been involved and the problem science and so called people of science (and my undergraduate includes a minor in chemistry) is that how do you measure intangibles such as being of service, forgiveness of others, forgiving yourself, spiritual growth, honesty, et cetera. The seven deadly sins: only one was an overt physical act, the rest were mental attitude sins. I didn’t have to create a higher power as an atheist when I came into AA, I had to surrender my will to a sense of duty to a higher cause, intangibles that science can’t measure. Some people do right for righteousness sake never even caring if anyone knows.

      I do think we gather in tribes such as AA, motorcycle gangs, knitting clubs, or whatever because we all seek social connections. I may hate religion but at least my UU offering every Sunday goes straight to the homeless shelter unless we vote otherwise. In AA, you don’t even have to pay money, and they turn down a lot of money, people try to leave their estates, I think the max is under 10K in a will estate, still. The motive is service for service sake. What is wrong with that for people who have failed otherwise. So if it’s a cult, it’s a good cult. I personally think humans are very tribal but that’s a discussion not for this forum.
      My OT2 friend does cite similarities between AA and Lie-in-tology trying to get me to test out the “data for myself rather than be so skeptical. She had a briefing on how to deal with black PR and this film because she warned me of an HBO show with a much of apostates who are being paid to destroy the church with lies and falsehoods. I told her that’s great, then Miscavige can file suit and earn lots of awards for the slander and libel as a result of the written media, pointed out how Cruise sued a writer for stating something false, and then it was apparent they have told everyone they don’t have time nor inclination to sue because this apostates are so laughable they aren’t worth the ants they lied about being in the beautiful Int Base.

      • Kristin Rawls

        Wow, I actually grew up knowing several Witnesses, and I tend to run into them more in everyday life. Clearly, I need to do my research and learn what some of this means… I am aware of the Watchtower, yes, and I throw it away every time I see it carefully placed on waiting room desks at state-funded facilities or when it shows up at my 85-year-old grandmother’s front door. But this being a cult I actually know people in… Hm… I need to read more.

        But yes, I do take your point about the limitations of science and — in a way — share this view. I’d use different language to describe it, but still…

        Full disclosure: I read a lot about Scientology because it fascinates and horrifies me. But cult-y charismatic Christian groups — and even some folks from the Rushdoony-influenced Calvinist homeschooling Quiverfull contingent — are the ones I’ve been closest to. If this means nothing to you, eh… Sorry, nevermind. They all have their own languages, these groups.

        • StudentOfLife

          Funny thing is I used to help convert Witnesses and cult members for awhile, having a graduate degree and hating what the Witnesses did to my own childhood and family (father didn’t speak to me nor his grandchildren for ten years when I told him if he can’t speak without trying to convert me, I’d rather not hear from him at all). And yet in my forties I fall prey to the clutches of innocent well meaning people who are brainwashed by the cult and we fall for the scams the “reg’s” put them up to. I have studied most every religion, lived in Asia, meditated in a temple in Korea, and been “saved” about thirteen times (bless Sam Kinison) and some do have a public benefit that is measurable, but some like Lie-in-tology have no real benefit that is useful given they charge for their services. If they want to open up a private university, I could tolerate that, but the cult as it exists today must go down, we must have the courage to change the things we can, and this cult is ISIS without guns and knives. I want the lies exposed for the crimes against humanity and human rights abuses they have committed. And that’s after I’ve calmed down, lol.

          • Kristin Rawls

            To be fair, an ISIS without guns and knives is not quite as dire, but yes, I see what you mean. I just wish there was better literature about this group that wasn’t written by fundamentalist Christians. I think that’s why I stopped looking for information about it. Most everything starts with things I do not care about, like, “Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in the Holy Trinity.”

            Edit: I’m a little embarrassed to admit I’ve been baptized twice — and once was by choice, when I was an adult. So I very much appreciate the comment about being “saved” about 13 times.

          • Missionary Kid

            Bless Sam Kinison and Marjoe!

            • StudentOfLife

              And Monty Python’s Life of Brian for describing much of what is silly about religion. Jesus Sermon on the Mount is a great scene where the people down the mount can’t hear too well…what did he say? Blessed are the Cheesemakers? The scene where the gentleman with the pipe pipes in and says Jesus surely must have been referring the makers of ll dairy products…..truly a classic.

            • Missionary Kid

              I love that film. I think it well illustrates what can happen to a person’s words by their followers..

            • StudentOfLife

              Also bless Monty Python’s Life of Brian for showing the foibles of religions. My favorite scene is the Sermon on the Mount when those who are down towards bottom on the mount can’t hear Jesus exactly..what’d he say? Blessed are the cheesemakers? Why them? Then the philosopher with the pipe chimes in “Surely he must be referring to the maker of all dairy products.” Just watched it recently and it still wears well.

      • Missionary Kid

        The biggest difference between AA and $cientology is that $cientology is totally top down, and tells its members not to look at entheta. AA, on the other hand, has some general principles that are followed, and steps, but everyone knows what they are. People aren’t kicked out of AA and attacked because they disagree with the 12 steps. If they don’t like the tone of a meeting, they can find another one.

        $cientology, on the other hand, tells its members so that they disconnect from anyone who is an SP, or try to handle Potential Trouble Sources.

        If an AA member criticizes Bill, they may get some flak, but they aren’t kicked out, but if a $cientologist criticizes LRH, or $cienotlogy, or DM or their methods, those are crimes and they are declared as an SP.

        AA is about avoiding the consumption of alcohol. Everyone knows what it is about. The costs are minimal. $cientology requires a person to take classes where they are trained in its use, and things aren’t revealed to a person until they’ve gone through intensive training.

        AA isn’t about saving the world from alcohol. It’s about saving people from alcoholism and its effects. AA is insistent on sobriety. Some members will claim it is the only way, but most do acknowledge that there are other ways to sobriety.

        Your friend won’t go see Going Clear, because that will be “entheta.” Where’s the “think for yourself” in that?

      • Mymy88

        Mind blown (mine). What else is new?

    • Missionary Kid

      The different people that make up the different meetings of NA and AA, as well as the different communities that make them up. They all operate on the same principles, but the interpretations will vary from individual to individual and group to group.

      AA (I really don’t have much experience with NA) meetings can have a strong emphasis on a higher being, or they can be very tolerant of people’s unbelief in any higher being. They can help people deal with problems that were masked by the self-medication of alcohol, or they can be very rigid in censuring people who talk about their psychological issues.

      There are secret AA meetings for doctors or lawyers who never meet with other groups, because while it’s called anonymous, they don’t want other people to know that they have a problem.

      AA isn’t the only way out of alcoholism, but it certainly is a resource for socializing with people who have a problem with alcohol,and who, for the most part, are trying to stay sober.

      One huge problem with alcohol is that it is legal, and that most people have no problem with it. Also, an alcoholic’s life revolves more and more about their drinking as time goes on, and they need to break that cycle. AA is one resource, but it isn’t the only one.

      AA isn’t a top down, controlling organization like $cientology. There can be leaders of a meeting that will act that way, but in general, the goal isn’t control of people, but their control over alcohol and their lives.

      I view AA as a resource for socialization with other people who have problems with alcohol. The problem is that there are many groups that really have no idea of how to treat an individual with alcoholism problems, but claim they do.

      If you’re looking for a place for someone to be treated, you can go on the internet and Googling “problems with (the name of a facility). Also, talking with people who have been in programs will help. Make sure that you aren’t talking to someone who is pushing you to a particular facility because they get a commission.

      If you know someone who is a recovering alcoholic, ask them what they would recommend. Usually,there’s also governmental agencies that know what’s available, and there may be therapists who work for them that specialize in alcoholism who could guide you to a good facility.

      One problem is that a person may do very well in a facility, but when they are back in their old environment, old habits take over.

      • Kristin Rawls

        Yeah, there are a couple of things that tell me that AA isn’t a scary, extremely destructive group like Scientology. First, that it doesn’t ask for money. And also, as you say, that it’s not based on a hierarchy and has a very localized approach from place to place. I do think some individual groups will end up becoming scary — and others will not — due to lack of regulation, accountability and, well, people with expertise in addiction, but at the same time… It does guard against that a hierarchy can enable. I mean, there are other possible dangers, but at least not those. And I know a lot of people who have been helped by AA who are not cult members. I know it’s not inherently destructive.

        But I don’t think I’m alone in seeing how mantras and rigid rules about debate and feedback could feel threatening to someone with a background in a coercive religious group.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup, and I come from a pretty rigid, fundamentalist background. I’m not an alcoholic, but there are AA type groups that eschew any mention of a deity.

          There are general things that come from AA national, but what they do is call groups on not adhering to the 12 step principles. They do have general rules.

          What I would advise people to do is to take what they can out of AA. After all,the goal is sobriety for the individual, not saving the world.

      • AintMizBahavin

        love your response as a recovering addict the mantra of aa and na is to network. to form bonds with people who have been down the same road as you so they understand whats going on with you and the struggle to stay sober/clean there is no there is no religion in the meetings only what you yourself consider to be a higher power to you..

        the main function of aa/na is to find a home group and sponsor someone who will walk by your side while you’re going thru the process.. you’re not locked in no money is asked for, the only requirement is that you remain clean and sober there are many different groups such as incest survivors, domestic abuse survivors, sexual abuse survivors, gambling survivors, the list goes on and on. and you will find that the requirement for all of them is nearly the same.find a home group, obtain a sponsor you feel truly understands your needs and goals in life, and give back by sharing your story letting others know they are not alone.. the best thing i did after years spent as a sex abuse and domestic abuse survivor was first go into inpatient program for 22 months then from there joined the meetings many different ones because i had many different issues i needed to deal with. it all began in 1995 and today im still fighting the good fight and doing what i can to prevent teens from falling into ahd following the steps i took to deal with my pain,shame,anger , and humiliation

        • Missionary Kid

          Damn! That’s high praise, coming from you. Thanks.

    • MadMaxi

      http://orange-papers.org/orange-what_works.html, a rather fanatical AA hater, but he does have lists of other programs and ways to help with sobriety. I never had an addiction but was recommended Al Anon as a cheap therapy alternative and found it very unsettling and to me victim inducing. But I was coming out of a very abusive relaztionship at the time, so could have been my biased interpretation back then. I think they substitute one addiction for another in the groups. But the 12 step principles have some good points to them for the addict to develop better, and more empathetic ways of living, just seems the goal would be to leave the group by the end.

    • KNMF

      2015 will be a doozy.

      • aegerprimo

        That is an understatement. ☺

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Body Routing NOT—March 27, 2015—Vermont Ave. & Sunset Blvd., Los Angeles, California

    I’m causing an effect at the Scientology complex on L. Ron Hubbard Way in Los Angeles. One Body Router who favors the southeast corner of Vermont and Sunset reminds me of actor Kelsey Grammer (while Grammer is six feet one inches tall, the Body Router in question is closer to Four Feet Thirteen). I’ll call this Body Router “Dr. Frasier Crane”; “Frasier” for short (for “short,” get it?).

    On my way home past this intersection, I noticed that Frasier had a Spanish speaking assistant; not a Body Router, because she wore normal street attire; I’ll call her “Daphne Moon”, or “Daphne” for short. Today, Scientology Inc. seemed to be focusing on the Latino public. I found one of their victims; they’re really easy to identify because they’re the ones carrying the “Free Dianetics Movie” ticket in their hand. This victim had been waiting for the light to change and as it did, I crossed with him.

    “Do you speak English?” I inquired, all the while holding my spanking brand new copy of Lawrence Wright’s Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood & the Prison of Belief in plain sight.

    “I speak some English,” he answered. We’re pretty even, I thought, because I speak some Spanish. I pointed to the ticket in his hand.

    “Este es Scientology y es muy malo,” I declared. Translation: “This is Scientology and is very bad. I pointed at the ticket again, unsure how to adequately say “Please throw that ticket away.”

    “Este es basura,” I said, pointing again to the ticket. Translation: This is garbage. He seemed to understand as he brightened, shook his head affirmatively and continued along his way to the subway. With visions of unused Dianetics Movie tickets curled in the subway garbage cans, I spied my next target.

    Frasier and Daphne had this guy surrounded; they had their hooks in this one and they weren’t letting go. For the first time since I’ve been doing this, one of the Body Routers actually spoke to me.

    “We know who you are,” Frasier told me as he turned back to his victim.

    I nodded affirmatively as I said something like “Great” or “Cool, all the while hoping that they have the correct spelling of my name so they can accurately write my “Suppressive Person” declaration. I’d hate to see “Fred Hasney” or any one of the other variations that I’ve seen of my name; it’s “Fred G. Haseney” for those who need to know. It looks like Frasier wants to get his name added to the “Scientology Inc. Walk of Shame.” Daphne’s going to be added after Frasier; she got physical with me, bumping up against me as a football player would, blocking me from her victim, who spoke Spanish, too.

    “I’ve been in Scientology since 1977,” I told Daphne, “and what you’re practicing isn’t Scientology.”

    “Scientology is bad. Scientology es muy malo,” I told her victim. Nothing. I got nothing from him. My comment didn’t register because Frasier and Daphne had the poor guy circled. The Body Routers had already claimed this one as their own; it’s something you can feel in the air. You can sense the poor guy’s danger as he thrashes, unable to snap the line. Every time I tried to reason with him, nothing worked, and Daphne kept blocking my every step as if the poor guy was her dinner.

    “See you soon, Frasier! Hasta luego, Daphne!”

    • Eileen

      Great story, it read like a scene from Invasion of the Body Snatchers. ETA: keep up the great work, and the great writing.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        “You’re in danger! Can’t you see them? The Scientologists? They’re going to get you! They’re after us! Our children, our wives, everyone! They’re here! Everywhere! She’s next! He’s next! They’re next! I’m next! We’re next You, too!”

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Fred, statistically he won’t stay, most don’t. Although, I wish I could help you by playing back up. Do you think they have followed you home yet? I just worry without a pinhole camera attached to your sunglasses that they might try to get meaner. When I went to see the opening of Going Clear, I had to leave 20 minutes early to get back to work. Right away I noticed a PI who was startled when I walked out early. He wasn’t alone either, as a few Bunkerites, went for coffee afterwords they overtly noticed a guy attempting to listen in on their conversation. I’ve seen A.G.P. get shoved, hot coffee thrown in his face..Please be careful. Do you think the SO, are having better luck as body routers than the public they sent packing? Are they using the better looking young clams besides Fraiser?

      • Fred G. Haseney

        I hear you, loud and clear Todd Tomorrow; I’ve read the stories of what Scientology Inc. has done to people who have spoken out against them. I’ve been keeping an eagle eye out for their eagle eye on me. I carry a recording device, with a special phone preset to “911,” just in case someone like Jenny jumps out in front of me at LAX or where ever. Every time we’re pushed or shoved, every time a cup of coffee flies in someone’s face, well, that’s when I turn the other cheek because (a) the Bible has some awesome creeds and (b) their karma is theirs.

        Speaking of using young clams, I’ve seen more than a few Body Routers that are “easy on the eyes.” I’ve often thought about the younger generation I see in advertisements, in and out of the cult; the way youth is portrayed: She’s beautiful! He’s handsome! Dress like her! Look like him! Meanwhile, just where are the elderly, the retiring, those growing older?

        One day while shopping for a snack at the Canteen at the Scientology complex on L. Ron Hubbard Way, I happened to see a “lifer,” a Sea Org member stick her head outside a room and say something to the girl in charge. The “lifer,” now older with a few wrinkles I’ve never seen before, used to be on the front lines, selling books at ASHO Day. So that’s where the S.O. hides the ones who the public used to see, but are no longer “easy on the eyes,” and can’t be used to sell the cult’s crap.

        Say, you sound as you’re local; we should have coffee sometime (that is, coffee that one drinks, not the kind some OSA-like or cult creep might aim toward one’s puss).

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Hi Fred,
          So glad to hear the you carry a recording device and are taking precautions. They once would drop of the elderly at the airport(I kid you not) sometimes with a ticket sometimes not. Once they completely are done using them , they are done. The lady coined at one time’ The Way to Happiness Queen’, since after leaving her children, gave out or sold the most of those booklets was found eating out of trashcans. Her children she had shunned for LLoon, took her back and finally got her into a home for her illnesses. They’ve had to pool their resources, which has put an undue financial pressure on someone they barely knew along time ago. I’ve often asked what happens to the elderly but most ex-pats, don’t want to talk about it. Tory, complained about it but as we all know $cion ears don’t listen. I’m in that other Ca., city and rarely get to L.A. I’d love to come down sometime and have coffee, tour around and meet some other SP’s. I don’t do FB, but if you’d like I can give you my email ; panam747 gma

  • M from Toronto

    OT but any peeps unfamiliar with Alex Gibney’s work up to now, his film ‘Catching Hell’ about Steve Bartman and the Chicago Cubs drama is showing on TSN2 here in Canada, right now. Came on after the Raptors (Clinched Atlantic Division whooo!) game.

  • Zer0

    Ok, contest.

    One tweet will be delivered, but the bunkerites will determine the tweet.

    The comment should be brief and anti-Scientology.

    Go

    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      $cientology–it’s not the answer, and it doesn’t help.

      • Zer0

        Love it!

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Thank you

        • Super Power Wogsy

          i second the love!

    • cdub

      scientology always lies

    • generic sock account

      Are you tired of speaking to your family? Do you feel like you have too much privacy? Money problems? Alien spirits bogging you down? No? Come in for a free personality test. Scientology can help you with that.

      • Zer0

        I suspect that is too long for a tweet:)

        • generic sock account

          I dont know how to count.

          Tired of speaking to your family? Feel like you have too much privacy? Alien spirits got you down? Money problems? No? #Scientology #answer

      • Zer0

        Nice, but too dreary

      • So good!
        XD

      • Mymy88

        Oh ffs. You are a riot! I swore to myself I would stay in lurk mode for the rest of the night, no matter what, but how can I when something is that freaking funny! LMAO!

    • Billy Bob

      You are ruined
      Co$ has a fix
      Your fault fix didn’t work
      Co$ Profit

      • Zer0

        Too dreary

    • Super Power Wogsy

      Scientology: Psychotherapy in sheep’s clothing.

      ETA:#auditingwasdevelopedbythementalhealthindustry

      (yes i’m back early. please don’t judge me for my bunker addiction issues)

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        Couldn’t possibly, wouldn’t want to be a hypocrite–I’ve been spending the last hour thinking “Must. Step. Away. From. Keyboard… well, I’ll just check one more post…”

        • Super Power Wogsy

          According to my clock, the UK should be sleeping. shoo! shoo! monkey!

          • ScnMonkeyNuts

            Just one more post, pleeease 🙂 (I gave up alcohol and weed–I need something to be addicted to now!)

            • Super Power Wogsy

              ….fine…who am i too judge…i’m still trying to give up coffee…: )

            • Super Power Wogsy

              it’s been 12 years….

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Caffeine’s a tough one (I can’t drink it after about midday, it’s like amphetamines for me and keeps me up for hours–if I had an espresso at 3pm, I’ll still be awake the following 4am!)

            • Super Power Wogsy

              …it’s a toughy for me. The migraines don’t bother me if I go off of it slowly. My senses decrease pretty markedly without caffeine though. It may be the sugar that I’m addicted to though. Literally, I see better, I think better. It lights up my brain. It is the sugar actually…The world is so much more beautiful with SUGAR/CAFFEINE! I can’t get over the sluggish part. Yes after awhile, I feel refreshed but I still have a hard time giving it up. My lifestyle allow me too.

              ETA: As long as I keep a normal sleeping schedule, I can drink caffeine midday. But if my sleeping schedule doesn’t stay perfectly on time, I would be up as well.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Migraines… yikes! Not good at all, I’m just a plain water–powered Monkey now! Sugar is very addictive because the body is cued to respond strongly to it, but the combination’s probably the slam–dunk. (And, tbh, there are many much worse things to be addicted to, so I wouldn’t worry unduly about it 🙂 )

            • MaxSpaceman

              me too, just a regular water-powered Spaceman now. And all day and all evening. However, must have the glass full of ice cubes in order to drink water. Otherwise, can’t. So we go through tons of ice. But that’s cool ! 🙂

    • Super Power Wogsy

      The way to Happiness is NOT Scientology. It is the Bridge to Total Delusionalism.

      • Zer0

        I can work with that. Nice

    • Scientology is so dumb it went to the library to find Facebook.
      Scientology is so ugly it makes blind children cry.
      Scientology is so fa . . . wait, I think I misunderstood.

      • Billy Bob

        How misunderstood is it?

        • Billy Bob

          It thinks it is a religion

          • Super Power Wogsy

            i like what you did there : )

            • Billy Bob

              Any body can play
              Gotta be a really good one in here somewhere.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Any body can pay?

            • Billy Bob

              No woo for me. 🙂
              Cash only.

        • Billy Bob

          It’s lawyers can’t figure it out.

        • Billy Bob

          Science can’t figure it out.

        • Billy Bob

          They think they’re #Going Clear.

    • StillAmused

      Pressure works both ways. White House We The People Petition:

      http://wh.gov/iZiyW

      Order the United States’ Internal Revenue Service to investigate and re-examine the tax-exempt status of the organization(s) comprising the Church of Scientology.

    • Captain MustSavage

      Not one shred of truth ever in any of the many criticisms of scientology? Sound like any multi billion dollar corporation to you?

    • May_West

      Scientology = the bridge to bankruptcy

      • Super Power Wogsy

        BAM!!!!!

    • Ben Franklin

      Scientology is a religion for sale

    • Captain MustSavage

      Acknowledgements to Billy Bob just below:

      Scientology: just another misunderstood multi billion dollar corporation.

      • Billy Bob

        ^^^

        • Baby

          Billy Bob.. every time I see your avi I giggle.

          My Aunt and Uncle had not been to a movie in like forever.. So she said.. ” Joe Let’s go to the Movie Theater ( small town) ”

          He said.. Well find a good Western .. ( they were really older Christians too) And you guessed it..

          ” Midnight Cowboy” 1969 hahahhahha They were speechless..

          • Billy Bob

            Wow. Culture shock!

            • Baby

              Yep.. That was the last movie they ever saw..hahhahaha.. I love Lucy was safer..

          • Missionary Kid

            My wife and I went to drive-ins so we could have my oldest sleep in the back while we watched. We were watching Midnight Cowboy, thinking the kid was asleep, when there was a shot of Jon Voight and Dustin Hoffman crossing the street, when from the back seat, we heard the kid speak up and say, “pretty shoes.” Panic. We finally got the kid bedded down so we could watch the movie.

            That was the last adult themed movie we took in with a kid along.

            • Baby

              hahaha.. That is funny.. I remember your story..and I’m sure you remember mine..xo Our Midnight Cowboy stories..love it

    • Zer0

      Contest is on hold, srry, until I flush out the banned folks who are posting

    • Sid

      Scientology can’t make a Clear but they will still take your money.

      • Zer0

        Winner, I used that. Thanks!

    • Sid

      The only promise Scientology will keep is,,, okay I’m still looking. Sorry, got nothin.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        …keeping you spiritually, emotionally and financially broke

        • Sid

          Well they never really promise that. But they do provide.

    • Sid

      The only Freedom in Scientology is Freedom from Scientology.

    • Baby

      It’s OK to doubt ..Just Blow

  • aegerprimo

    If you did not get to see Mike Rinder’s interview on Fox News last night by Megyn Kelly, here is the link…

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4137195615001/hbos-going-clear-exposes-secrets-of-scientology/?playlist_id=2694949842001

    • aurora50

      If anyone finds a link to comments on this show, would you please post it? it would be fascinating reading!

      • aegerprimo

        Probably there is not a comments section, but I think Megyn Kelly is on Twitter. (I am not an avid Twitter tweeter, so cannot vouch for that.)

        • MadMaxi

          Her facebook seems to be where comments were interesting..link is on her website

  • Illinoisian

    Here are the basic Alexa figures for Feb. 26 and March 26, so show the changes over a month’s time.

    2/26/2015

    tonyortega.org

    Global Rank 103,107 down 4,259
    Rank in United States 23,970

    Country Percent of Visitors Rank in Country
    United States 66.0% 23,970
    Australia 10.6% 13,677
    Switzerland 7.6% 5,693
    Germany 5.5% 44,481
    United Kingdom 4.9% 47,071

    scientology.org

    Global Rank 122,743 down 36,515
    Rank in United States 29,768

    Country Percent of Visitors Rank in Country
    United States 60.8% 29,768
    United Kingdom 3.7% 77,712
    Spain 1.9% 104,863

    3/26/2015

    tonyortega.org

    Global Rank 90,451 down 31,720
    Rank in United States 22,517

    Country Percent of Visitors Rank in Country
    United States 69.9% 22,517
    Switzerland 11.6% 3,494
    Australia 8.0% 15,113
    Germany 7.3% 35,795

    scientology.org

    Global Rank 112,395 down 42,799
    Rank in United States 40,522

    Country Percent of Visitors Rank in Country
    United States 50.0% 40,522
    India 14.6% 77,776
    United Kingdom 2.2% 97,892

    • Eileen

      Remarkable how popular scientology has become in India (sarcasm).

      • Illinoisian

        Mmmm. Yes. All the popularity that money can buy!

        • aquaclara

          Thanks for posting this. It’s great seeing how well the Bunker is doing, and at the same time, David Miscavige’s desperation set in.

  • Frodis73

    My dearest Bunker peeps. I’m having a meltdown (my fan is dead/dying and laptop gets super HOT!) with my laptop and have not been able to spend much time online. I am trying to use it sparingly as this thing is my only connection to the outside world and people in general…it was down for like 4 mos last year and I wanted to die. Sad, I know, but I care for a sick and disabled mother and have no social life at all. Please postulate that this thing does not die on me as I can’t replace it.
    I have been reading TO daily and some comments so I am sorta caught up. I am amazed at the amount of press this movie has generated…not only that, great press! The last two interviews Tony did…just WOW! The hosts were so great and knowledgeable and asked Tony great questions. It’s such a change from the past. I bet DM hates facing each new day. Lol.
    I’m hoping to make it for Sundays live blogging of the movie…especially since I do not have basic cable let alone HBO. I really think this movie is going to do a lot more damage then I thought and I couldn’t be happier about that…it’s about time!
    I saw something about sending pics/vids to Marty and Mosey as a response after his NBC interview where he talked about not being able to make friends…is that still going on? Can somebody re-post the addy to email something to so I can show my support for them. That interview broke my heart for both of them…DM is such a freaking baby…and a dick. Grow up you little hobbit fuck and leave them alone FFS. Xenu, he makes me soooo mad! I’d love to have a face to face sit down with him.
    Lastly, I miss my Bunker time soooooo much!! {CRY} You guys are just the most creative, funny, smart, helpful people anywhere on the net and I miss all of you.
    ML, Frodis
    PS-Shout out to Fly for the great Lego pics…lol!! I’m sure I’ve missed some, but I love the two series of pics I did see.
    PPS-On yahoo’s home page there were no less than 5 different stories on their frontpage…that is so freaking great! Here are three of the newer (?) ones.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/03/27/how-one-woman-climbed-her-way-out-of-scientologys-elite-sea-org/

    http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/news/a33967/church-of-scientologys-hbo-going-clear-twitter-war/

    http://www.refinery29.com/2015/03/84623/going-clear-ex-scientologists

    • generic sock account

      You can get a decent USB fan for your laptop to sit on for around $25-40. They sell em at Target, Walmart, places like that. When they’re new even the cheap ones do a lot to prevent overheating.

      • aegerprimo

        Frodis, I have an extra USB fan that I will send to you FREE … email me if you want it – aegerprimo AT hushmail DOT com

        • Frodis73

          For reals? I never even heard of such a thing!! OMG!! How cool!! I want to hug you and cry at the same time!!! Lol!!

          • aegerprimo

            For realz!

            • Frodis73

              I emailed you!

            • scottmercer

              Walking into sunset, music swells…THE END. (Aw, I love happy endings.)

          • Baby

            and this is why I love the Bunker.. xo

        • generic sock account

          Email sent. Totally stealing that fan. No shame.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            ROFL! …horrid

        • Baby

          Just love you..

      • MadMaxi

        Saw some at Big Lots for around 10, and Sam’s had a great targus one for around 17/ I actually used a small battery operated fan I had and angled towards the base of my laptop as it sat on my table. Later I used a plug in fan I just tossed on a coat and tried to angle it so it didnt blow on me as much. Hoping it hangs on, my brother got one through HP w/ paypal no interest for 6 months, costs about $300, not a bad laptop either

      • Frodis73

        LOL, I know it’s a typo (they sell me at Target, etc) but I had a mental image of buying myself a J3x at the store.

        • generic sock account

          Better keep the receipt. 😉

          • Frodis73

            Great, that means you are going to break! Were you made in China out of cheap plastic?

    • Refinery 29! Kelsey Miller wrote a Going Clear review?! The gods are TOO good to me!

      • Vaquera

        Good gosh! I’m way to tired to go find it now. Will look tomorrow. Tucking in. Nighty-night.

    • What Jimmy said. Also turn it off. You could kill your processor 🙁

    • noseinabk

      What Jimmy said and maybe check online for some video or info to see if you can get in and clean the fan ( temporary solution only) or replace it. I will check with my daughter and see if she still has her old laptop if you would be interested.

    • AintMizBahavin

      Frodis go into start menu/taskbar options then go into customize. scroll until you see run command. check it. after you check it. go out into your start menu and look for the run box. type in %temp% and hit ok once you hit it another box will come up and you will see many many files.. go to the top and hit edit then select all go over to file and hit delete .. this will remove all temp files off your hard drive after you do that… go back to programs look for accesorries then system tools click disc clean up. let it clean up the files then hit go back and click disk defragment and let your drive defragment if youve never done it before it can take quite a few hours but it will repair your laptop. if you need me to walk you thru it.. then email me at aintmizbahavin@gmail.com putting your name and the bunker in the subject line and we will take it from there <<<< im a pc tech

      • generic sock account

        She’s not going to be able to defrag if the fan is shot and it’s overheating. It’s gonna crash before it even gets halfway through.

        • AintMizBahavin

          not if she cleans out the files… one thing not generally known about laptop and pcs is its the temp files and cookies that destroys the hard drives. and eats into the virtual memory

          • AintMizBahavin

            if it cant stay on long enough to do it then its more then likely the battery itself is dying and will need to be replaced not the processor and fan

          • generic sock account

            How is cleaning out the hdd going to fix the fan? I’m lost.

            • AintMizBahavin

              the fan is run by the processor and battery. both of which works off the hdd and virtual memory lets say you have 3 gigs of memory. every time you open your pc a temp file and cookie is added which eats into the virtual memory its has no room to run properly.. its hard to explain if you’re not a tech
              suffice it to say the processor can do but so much since everything inside is run off of battery and memory

            • generic sock account

              Nope.

            • AintMizBahavin

              i have 2 desktops and 2 laptops all four of which i built myself im not going to tell anyone to do anything i myself havent or wouldnt do. too much pressure on the processor will crash any pc it needs room to breathe

          • MadMaxi

            She could download a free copy of CC cleaner? Would quickly clean out a lot of stuff.

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        I hope you don’t mind if I follow your advice.My computer is getting old and runs slow,but I haven’t much on it because I don’t Know how to download,save,etc..Its only basically been used for facebook,amazon,and news.So I wrote instructions down so my son can help me.I don’t even know how to use to write letters. lol I have my son help me.

        • AintMizBahavin

          you’re more then welcome and you’re more then welcome to email me if need be so i can walk you thru and help anyway i can

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            thank you so much. I will rite down your e-mail but will have my son e-mail you if I need it.He is going to try to get me a new one in a month or so.Thank you again ! 🙂

            • AintMizBahavin

              you’re very welcome

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              I am so old school,I don’t text either,I like talking on the phone. ha being on this blog is HUGH for me. lol

        • noseinabk

          If it is old and running slow doing what Ain’t said would be a good start and I am sure she could help you make sure that the settings are changed to do these tasks on a schedule . You may be surprised to find how many unnecessary pre-loaded programs you have that you could get delete to free up some space.

          • AintMizBahavin

            Thank You Noseinabk that is one of the main issues many dont know about the programs that start up when your pc starts which also drains your memory and battery going into msconfig can end all that

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            thank you

    • noseinabk

      Whatsherface at refinery spends half of the review whining about the response to her previous article.

      • Yep. I’m over her. Not gonna comment over there.

        • noseinabk

          That’s OK. Since elle jumps on any link we post at the bunker, Kelsy is getting a taste of how a real scientologist will respond

    • Baby

      Oh doggy I wondered where you have been sweetie.. awww you are such a precious soul for takin care of your mama.. Postulating away.. xox love baby

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Frodis, it is good to hear from you. I have missed you. I am sorry you are stuck and have a somewhat questionable technical situation. I will postulate that your computer lasts and does not overheat. I am sorry about your mom, bless you for taking care of her. But that is tough. As a caregiver, you definitely need to take care of yourself, but I am sure you know that! Like they say in an airplane, “put on your own oxygen mask before you help someone else with theirs” – otherwise you are no good.

    • beauty for ashes

      Hey girl! Missed ya. Quick question, have you heard from Stacy?

  • Vaquera

    Watching A rerun of Remini’s King of Queen with Krusty guest starring. Krusty is coveting Leah’s doughnut. Hindsight, 20/20. Now Ms. Alley might be coveting Leah’s freedom.

    • Sid

      It might take her a while to get over the donut.

  • George Layton

    For those escaping the cult, remember all those family members waiting for you out here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ux0yeo4Y0I

    • Mrs. V.

      You know, this song….this song,…one of my all time favorites. I made Mr. V. listen to it m aboany times. I have loved it forever. Made me feel warm and fuzzy. Until I learned about his connection to scientology. I always thought of my grand parents when I heard it. Long story, but it changed once I’d been down the rabbit hole. Suddenly it wasn’t about the silly old-school Eastern European Disagreements of my great grandparents and my father’s heritage, which is what I assigned to it, admittedly so. It makes me much more sad now.

  • Super Power Wogsy
    • ScnMonkeyNuts

      Ok, I really am stepping away from the keyboard now, see you tomorrow 🙂

      • Super Power Wogsy

        Ferreal this time? : )

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Kisses, sleep well my child.

  • AintMizBahavin

    anyway moving right along… i hope everyone is having a or has had a great day, afternoon, evening night 2 whole big days till going clear and i cant wait….
    To Spanky im beyond positive that right about now JT is wishing with everything he has that he hadnt treated you the way he did. i still believe the so called whales are well aware what was going on with lyingtology just chose to ignore it.. but now the VICTORY IS NOT ONLY YOURS BUT ALL THE EX SCIS who have ,are and will continue to stand up the cult and the militant midget…

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Always good to see you postin’ a bit more:)

  • Baby

    For those who have not read Tory’s story.. It is a must read.. You can see while we love and respect her.. Some things never change ( Scn.)

    But Tory sure has..woo hoo..

    http://www.scientology-lies.com/press/2001-09-27/new-times-los-angeles/sympathy-for-the-devil.html

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I love me some Tory, what a great egg!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      what you doing up so late?

  • nukethevolcano

    The Week has some words I like seeing together like Scientology, nail, coffin, dark side, the finger, et cetera.

    http://theweek.com/articles/546506/hbos-going-clear-should-final-nail-scientologys-coffin

  • MoX, Mother of Xenu

    As a never in, I have a question that’s brewed in the back of my mind for a while. It’s a question (or scenario) that may be controversial and I don’t ask any specific individual for a reply and I don’t ask to offend.

    The e-meter has often been described as a poor-excuse of a lie detector.

    In a world of tit-for-tat, she-said he-said, complain and dead-agent, would anyone ever agree to pick-up the cans in a deposition type activity where both sides are heard, explored (under rule of law, not jackboot of ethics/seccheck)? Would the church (if involved) ever accept the results we know would arise (the truth winning out)? Would they attempt to discredit further the participant(s) or the process? Would the church consider such a scenario sacrilegious due to their concepts of the e-meter as a religious relic? Am I over- or under thinking this?

    From some stories shared I recognize that the closest many exes may want to get to an e-meter is a tech waste depot (or dropping a load into a volcano or molten steel vat) and may consider this as ludicrous or repugnant. If I give offense, I apologize.

    Ml,
    MoX

    • EnthralledObserver

      From my never-in understanding, the e-meter isn’t described in those terms by a $cientologist – that’s a wog description of what it does (crude lie-detector). They say it does something else entirely, so I don’t think your scenario would ever happen, no.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        They are led to think that piece of crap works. So many have said they could fake it. Especially, some of the, so called,”WISE” Dr’s. They need an electric bum plug to truly see the truth. Not!

        • MoX, Mother of Xenu

          Which is why I wonder what the Church’s position on the results would be. I doubt (and would be flabbergasted) exes would hold much stock in the results (regardless of outcomes).

          For the church, particularly a true believer, would truth / deception revealed even register?

          Having seen depositions from the lawyer class I doubt they’d be moved if LRH manifested in the room (bad teeth and all), told them that Wright, Gibney, et al were right, and lit up a Kool cigarette with a cope of the Wall of Fire.

          • scottmercer

            I believe that actual polygraph machines, which are manufactured to much more rigorous standards than the cheesy plastic E-Meters, are not allowed in court testimony because they can be beaten by someone that knows how. (I.E., they are not reliable indicators of ANYTHING.) I’m sure there must be a web site or a video somewhere on how to beat a lie detector. 😉

            • Curl your toes.

            • I’ve heard stories of ex-victims beating the e-meter (getting “flaoting needle”) by, ahemm, thinking happy thoughts.

            • MoX, Mother of Xenu

              Oh I would never expect an emeter to be considered as evidence in anything more than a “ok Scientology, we’ll play this game and find out who is telling the truth” type scenario.

              My references to depositions and rule of law were meant to indicate I would NEVER suggest a scenario where an ex would be faced with a SecCheck experience … assaulted by a CoS drone.

              In my imagination (and perhaps that’s where this should have remained), I see the CoS either having to explain why the Ex was proven right, accurate, however to describe while their respondent(s) failed or acknowledge limitations to the e-meter Magic device.

    • On the one hand, the e-meter is used for “sec-checks” where “crimes” (usually against the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology) are wrung from the clam[1]. On the other hand, there are “gang-bang sec-checks” which are basically a group of people, the bigger the better, shouting at the clam. So, it’s used, but not as the only instrument in getting “truth” out of the victims. (“truth” because many ex-victims have stories of making up lies to get out of never ending sec-checks).

      [1] Victim of the mid-fuck perpetrated by the Co$

  • Super Power Wogsy

    WoW. i just got utterly fucking annoyed, and I’m just gonna walk away from the computer before i say something stupid and call it a night. Night Bunker.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Night. I’ve been up for 13 hours. Time to go to bed.

      • generic sock account

        13 hours? Jesus! How are you still able to see? The hallucinations aren’t real, Todd. Just lie down and it’ll be over soon. You’ll be fine. I promise.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          My acct. called and I needed to get me my tax stuff. Sorry it is actually 18nhours. till don’t even half the stuff. That’s how zoided out I am. I woke up at 2a pst. Numbers still might be wrong. But have that false energy without focus. Xanax, time. Thanks.

          • generic sock account

            There’s always tomorrow, Todd.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thanks Boss. Good 2 see yah.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Nitey nite, SPW, I just got back from dinner, so I will scroll down and see what annoyed you. You are always so sweet!

      • Super Power Wogsy

        No worries FMFH. I think it was just a misunderstanding on my part (I think), but my blood boiled for the first time here which is why I didn’t say anything and just shut the keyboard. Thank you for the kind words.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Okay good, I didn’t see anything but then again it is easy to miss something with so many comments.

  • cdub

    What would the threat of no tax exemption do to them?

    • edge

      They would burn through a lot of their income paying the taxes owed, on property, payroll, etc. Many of the buildings they own (ideal orgs) don’t generate the traffic to justify their size or even their existence, but if property taxes suddenly had to be paid, many of them would disappear entirely. For wealthy Scientologists, the exemption also means that many of their donations and service fees are tax deductible. Lose that ability, and even the hard core “still-in” would bolt.

      • BeezleBobby

        Imagine how pissed you’d be if you’d worked your fingers to the bone for years raising money for an Ideal Org for your city, only to see the deed signed over to the mother church, who then turn around and sell it off?

      • cdub

        thanx

  • MaxSpaceman

    From a real real real really under-the-radar tipster. All the OT Committees in Greater Los Angeles recently had a Special OT Committees Briefing, with a sit-down dinner and entertainment. Got a picture of the desert. Apparently in honor of the eternal batteries that maintain the force field, holding Lord Xenu/Xemu captive to this day.

    • Sir_Real

      That is some of the finest pie crust/cobbler tech I’ve seen to date, good show Spaceman.

    • Juicer77

      Om nom nom

  • noseinabk

    If Nat and Baby are still around please check your disqus comments.

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • Sir_Real

      Hip, hip hooray for my local bubbas!! dallasnews.com rocks!

    • Thanks, Todd.

  • aurora50

    A number of reviews of ‘Going Clear’ have linked to the Tom Cruise 9 min interview that was released to YouTube back in about 2004…the one starting with him in a black turtleneck…is it known who was interviewing him then? it must have been someone in the cherch…in retrospect, given all the insights we now have, thought it would be interesting to know…

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Nobody, it was read on a monitor. He’s an Asshat!

      • aurora50

        Do you mean a teleprompter? that he was reading from a script? really…?
        Given the production values, the cuts, it seemed to me he was answering questions…and I was curious about who could elicit that level of discourse from him…

        • MaxSpaceman

          a deeply-in Scientologist. anyone sent by Dave Miscavige- anyone.

          • aurora50

            ‘anyone sent by Dave Miscavige’….I guess…sad.
            Puppets are not Big Beings.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Cruise is a moron and i’m sure it was edited. Telepromter, yes..

    • noseinabk

      I think I remember Marc Headly talking about that. David Miscavige decided that Toms monologue was better than some previously shot material they had.

      • I’ve love to see leaks of the “not good enough for Miscavige” stuff.

    • generic sock account

      It was much longer than 9 minutes. Mark Ebner and Xenubarb edited down the infamous version we usually see. And I know I’ve read the story of what was going on, and I recall that it was more like an interview than it appears to be. I think Tommy Davis was in the room too, but don’t take that as fact. I could be wrong.

      http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?24610-The-Story-behind-the-Tom-Cruise-Video-Leak

      • aurora50

        Thank you for the history! will bookmark it.

      • aurora50

        Now I am reading the link…it is fascinating! Going to post this quote and then leave the rest of it up to the curious:

        ‘The anonymous Scientologist that originally sent me this video, told me
        they were pissed off that DM had ordered all Scientologists to watch it 3
        times. The anonymous Scientologist thought it was a huge insult to
        Scientology staff and Sea Org members to make Tom Cruise the # 1
        Scientologist because he was rich and famous. Many others had dedicated
        their life to Scientology and it was a slap in the face to them from
        both DM and Tom Cruise.’

        • generic sock account

          Yeah, Tony has written about this, too. Apparently, a lot of Scientologists were very pissed that they bust their ass for nothing and Tom Cruise wins a medal because he’s Tom Fricken Cruise.

          • aurora50

            Yes, I had read here about the anger…but the requirement that all CoS members had to watch it three times had escaped me till now…It Is Always Worse Than You Thought…

            • generic sock account

              It’s kinda funny when you think about it tho, because I’m sure anyone who follows this has watched that way more than three times. But for a much different reason. Because it’s hilarious.

            • aurora50

              Yes!

  • PappeKak

    I had to laugh at this sentence in an article at The Economist.

    “The portrait of Hubbard that emerges, apart from his menacing anglerfish rictus, is of a man with a messianic sense of self-importance who proved again and again to be all-too human: indulging in paranoid fantasies, abusing his wife and concealing an embarrassing war record.”

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2015/03/scientology-film

    • Orglodyte

      Lol’d for real at that myself.

    • MaxSpaceman

      love the analysis: regarding the full-page Ads in The New York Times and all the cherch’s attack PR against the film-

      “The irony seemingly lost on the Scientologists is that anyone who has sat through “Going Clear” will see this smear campaign for what it is: the behaviour of people with something to hide.

      “A lot of the reason for that pushback is not [directed at] the audience at large, but the membership that still exists in the Church,” says Mr Gibney. “They’re trying to say to them, ‘Don’t pay attention to that man behind the curtain. Keep thinking the same old way. Don’t believe these liars, these apostates.’”

    • generic sock account

      Love that bearshark.

      I’m going to bed, too. I’ve been up for almost 9 hours. Goodnight.

      • Guest

        Reminds me of Captain Howdy, is he still around?

      • Jo

        Been up 9.25 hours.
        This is true.
        Jo

    • Sir_Real

      Nite, nite Nat!

    • Sir_Real

      That pic reminds me of Captain Howdy, is he still around?

      • He’s MIA, SirReal.

        • Sir_Real

          Just what I suspected, hope he is OK.

    • noseinabk
      • stillgrace2

        sigh F5

  • CobGatYour$$

    Hey all! Just talked to my sis and her kids are in Seaborg. Anyway she asked where I got my data on the sea orgs, because I asked why are their vacations if they get them so short? She told me seaborgys get two weeks a year, like everyone else. Has this changed ex-sea orgs, or is a lying liar lie?

    • ComeToPresentTime

      if your sis is in the cult, where you got your “data” doesn’t matter, unfortunately.

    • romanesco

      Why is a mouse when it’s spinning?

      • what’suppressive

        Because the more the much.

  • stillgrace2

    I’ve been waiting FOREVER for this weekend and now it’s finally here. Feels like Christmas.

  • Jack99

    In the Washington Post piece, http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/03/27/how-one-woman-climbed-her-way-out-of-scientologys-elite-sea-org/ , Karin Pouw says “More than 7,500 people serve in the Sea Org”. Mike Rinder has earlier made a point of this on his blog, how the figures don’t make sense. If there are 10 million members of the church, that means each Sea Org member has to serve 1333 scientologists. Riiight…

    • And if there are less than 40,000 world wide in real numbers, 7,500 Sea Org is a significant chunk of that.

    • stillgrace2

      I gave up trying to understand sciloon math and find any significance in their many crazy, meaningless graphs with no X and Y nomenclature.

    • In her dreams.

    • Graham

      “More than 7,500 people serve in the Sea Org”. To give her the classic response: Dox or STFU.

      • And first provide dox that it was Karin Pouw.

        • BosonStark

          Maybe someone should file a missing persons report on Pouw also.

    • ComeToPresentTime

      Fun fact: “Karin Pouw” is an anagram for “Wok Up Rain”.

  • 1 Day

    • Rita Gregory

      Squeee!

  • Tory Christman

    Sorry I’m soooo late on this! Today a friend came over and thankfully helped me garden…and then Spanky and I got together to share more of our stories, and then of course eat! 🙂 Spanky is one of my dearest friends. She was one of the gang who helped me when I 1st escaped out…and our friendship has grown ever since. She is a woman with great love, true friendship of many, and compassion that does not stop. It’s an honor to call her my friend.

    Great article, Tony! Thank you for doing this~! It’s so important that each one of these people who are in the documentary have been highlighted, and you’ve given more of their back stories, which is fabulous.

    For years Spanky has said, as far as the critical movement: “I’m not in it”. Yes, she would help people from behind….and we who knew her privately got to learn some or more of her amazing story. However, Lawrence nailed it in “Going Clear: Scientology & The Prison of Belief”. I’m soooooooooooo very proud of you, my friend, for sharing your story with all of us! It is *such* an important story, and thank you Lawrence and Alex for telling it so well. (Same to Tony, today!)

    Each person who stands up and speaks out…with $cientology there is a road one steps onto. We all know (who have honestly learned both sides) that Scientology *does* have a very, very dark side. It takes courage to face this, and the good news is now there are many, many people on-line to support each person who does speak out. The days..the very dark days of being terrified to speak out are o v e r. Which goes along with my saying I’ve said for years: Tick Tock, Tick Tock: Time IS on *our* side! Yay! To Spanky for sharing your story!!

    OSA can try to hurt you with “Fair Game”….but we are all here to tell you, keep on keepin’ on, girl. 🙂 We have your back…and for you, that “we” is huge. I do hope Johnny reads this article or the book or sees you on HBO, and calls you. (You know you want to,Johnny. Just remember the love you have for Spanky—-and try to recall how you were back when you 1st joined Scientology. I knew you then….and you were so much stronger and happier then. Don’t keep pitching your life away to this organization that is just using you, stopping your communications with people like Spanky who you, in your heart, still love) <3

    To anyone who is in an area where they cannot see the show Sunday night on HBO, remember 2 things:
    1) It shall keep showing, and no doubt will get to your area, eventually.
    2) Buy the book! It's terrific and there are many more stories in it.

    My love and thanks to my friend, Spanky, to Lawrence and Alex, Tony and the Bunkeroos!
    I adore you ALL 🙂 Tory/Magoo

    • Missionary Kid

      Amen!

      • Tory Christman

        Hi Kid 🙂 You’re up late! 🙂 I’m off to snoozeland soon. First I have to read more of “Going
        Clear”! I read it when it came out—am re-reading it after seeing the documentary.
        Wow is it pack filled with FACTS. Best to you 🙂 TLC

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  • Sydjazz

    Can anyone help a gal from downunder out? Anyone know of a livestream of hbo?

    • EnthralledObserver

      More than one gal would like to know about that. 🙂

      • Sydjazz

        Hey enthralled 🙂 been googling like crazy for a link

        • EnthralledObserver

          My google fu isn’t that good, so I’m relying on someone to help us out. Hahaha. 🙂

        • First Last

          any luck sydjazz?
          i am clicking through many links to find one for myself – no luck so far

          • First Last

            Found a solution …
            Go to the link below and setup your proxy – not hard at all, their website is very helpful using pictures to assist step by step.
            https://www.smartdnsproxy.com

            Once done, order HBO GO

            I am happy now 🙂

          • Sydjazz

            None so far 🙁

          • Sydjazz

            I did it. 🙂 http://www.googlitv.com/HBO-live-streaming.php am using it on ipad.working fine. Use photon browser on ipad. Annoying box closing things on screen but once you get ridof them all good

    • The way things are going – someone will stream it on youtube same day.

  • what’suppressive

    It’s like Australia day round here. Dodo of course is an honorary Aussie. World cup final tomorrow and Going Clear…….so freak in excited. I will not be on here tomorrow but, I wanna see it first. Hopefully the websites that shall not be named have it up asap.

    • I am a honorary Aussie?! Thank you! I am honored!

      • what’suppressive

        You’re welcome mate.

      • EnthralledObserver

        One of Us

        :p

  • Sidney18511

    I have this song going through my head….sing it with me bunkeretts!

    Tomorrow tomorrow I love ya tomorrow……it’s only a day away!

    • Peggy oh!

      I can’t ever hear that song with out hearing Bill the Cat from Bloom County “tomorrow, tomorrow, I’ll scratch ya tomorrow…”

      Boy this is an old reference! 🙂

  • First Last

    I am outside US and HBO-GO is not available in the country I am in.

    Can anyone please help me find a solution to watch Going Clear – PLEASE

    • Nothing can be done about it. Sorry.

      • First Last

        🙂 – Guess I have go to plan b – Skype video with camera focused towards my TV screen at home.

    • Peggy oh!

      Is it possible to order hbo for a month? Sometimes they offer a free 30 days as well. Otherwise Hbo now comes out in April…I think that’s what it’s called. It’s like hbo go, but you don’t have to buy the cable.

  • 1subgenius

    The stupid runs deep at “American Thinker”
    “Out of the blue, I recently received a slickly produced magazine called Freedom. I read it from cover to cover and found the stories compelling – mostly because they addressed real-world concerns in plain language that would appeal to a wide range of people.

    The columns were brief, well-written, rational, and interesting to read.

    So why can’t the Republican Party and its leaders take some ideas from the Church of Scientology?

    Republicans need a Main Street appeal, and the best way to accomplish this is to pursue an agenda that helps the vast middle class and communicate that is the primary goal of the party in messages that people find as interesting and compelling as columns that can be found in a Church of Scientology magazine.”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/03/what_the_gop_can_learn_from_the_church_of_scientology.html

    • ComeToPresentTime

      In the “American thinker”‘s defense, the GOP could learn a fair bit from the COS because they basically have the same challenge in front of them, making a case for an untenable position. Not to say they haven’t been very successful already at getting people to vote for them even though it’s against their best interests most of the time.

  • HTC
  • Another great and moving article.