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Scenes from the ‘Going Clear’ publicity caravan in midtown Manhattan

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Yesterday Mike Rinder and your proprietor were being interviewed about Alex Gibney’s film Going Clear for a well known national news organization when the interviewer asked, what is David Miscavige’s biggest skeleton in his closet?

We had already talked about the Scientology leader’s disappeared wife, Shelly Miscavige, and where we think she has been for the last nine years. And that, certainly, is one of the biggest controversies about David Miscavige. But we thought Rinder had a really good answer.

Miscavige’s biggest skeleton in his closet? That he’s not a Scientologist, Rinder answered.

By that, of course, he meant that many years ago when Miscavige was training to be an auditor (and was known to have slugged one of his subjects), he was something of a tech prodigy for his age. But in recent decades? Rinder and people like former Scientologists Marc and Claire Headley, who worked closely with Miscavige, tell us that he no longer participates in auditing, or progresses up “The Bridge” on the way to spiritual enlightenment.

And that’s really odd. L. Ron Hubbard was chasing away body thetans to the bitter end, just days before he died in January 1986. But Miscavige? When was the last time he picked up the cans?

Anyway, some of our newer readers might be a little lost at this point, but we are too tired to define terms or provide background at this point, the end of a long day that included another screening of Going Clear. If you need any help with the jargon we’ve used so far in this piece, please ask our commenters, who can explain things very well.

There were a few very interesting highlights on Tuesday, but we regret that we have to keep quiet about them for now. We attended a screening of the film at the Director’s Guild Theater in midtown, and after the movie Alex Gibney had a conversation with filmmaker Marc Levin. Meanwhile, we tried to keep an eye on what was happening back here at the Bunker.

We have to admit we were surprised at how big the Times Talk video went over yesterday, but then we remembered, you haven’t seen the movie yet!

If this is how you react to a little conversation between Wright, Haggis, and Rinder in a static talk at the Times, we really are going to have to brace ourselves for what’s coming.

Anyway, to remind you what we found out yesterday, the Friday, March 13 opening of the film in New York will be at the Francesca Beale Theater at Lincoln Center. In Los Angeles, it will play at the Arclight in Hollywood, and in San Francisco at The Presidio.

Hey, this morning, Gibney and Wright are going to be on CBS This Morning — let’s see some live reports in the comments as it happens! Also, Wright is scheduled to be a guest on Bill Maher’s show Friday night.

One additional note: Pictured above is Rinder with Aaron Smith-Levin, who came up from Florida for these events. He was featured in one of our favorite stories last year, but he was unable to participate in it himself because of his family’s precarious situation. Now, however, he’s come out in the open, was willing to be photographed, and wants to tell new details about his own story. We’re hoping to get that to you soon. Today, he told us one of the wildest stories about “freeloader debt” that we’ve ever heard.

 
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Karen de la Carriere on her former husband, Scientology’s president Heber Jentzsch

Karen de la Carriere has been under heavy attack by the Church of Scientology, and it’s increasing as the broadcast of Alex Gibney’s film Going Clear nears. She’s responding by continuing to make videos. Give this one a look.

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 4, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Vaquera

    It’s just my imagination, running away with me……..

    “Tom Cruise this and John Travolta that! Why are THEY getting all of the Going Clear publicity?”
    -From the twisted jealousy lobe of Krusty’s grey matter.

    • Sherbet

      Oh, dear Kirstie, there’s one spectacular way to get some “Going Clear” publicity. Give Leah a call for advice.

  • Eclipse-girl

    I wish Nat was still here.
    I would like her to respond to the crap at People magazine

    http://www.people.com/article/scientology-documentary-tom-cruise-john-travolta

    • Lucille Austero

      Where is Nat??

      • flyonthewall

        J3 drama caused her to split

        • D.Y.G.

          I’m sorry to hear that

          • flyonthewall

            Me too 🙁 Fuck, I just went to our last conversation and her avi is now guest.

        • Lucille Austero

          Oh…I heard then went back and read some of it, but not all…poor Nat. I really hope she comes back.

          • D.Y.G.

            I’m gonna go try to find it, because I’m nosy, I love Nat and Jimmy both, and I have little understanding of what happened.

        • NOLAGirl

          Noooo!! I love her!! Come back Nat, we miss you!

        • Hingle McCringleberry

          Are you sure that was the reason? If so, that’s something I’d like to discuss with him.

          • flyonthewall

            I know how you feel but see Donna’s post upthread, she recapped it well. Doesn’t sound like that will be necessary

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I thought she was back, but with a different name/avi. But I’m not the sharpies in this group on that kind of thing.

        • Lucille Austero

          Yeah, who is the avi “Obvious Sock Puppet?” Is that her?

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            that is J3

            • Lucille Austero

              This is so confusing!!!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Well then, hope Nat is feeling better wherever she may be.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              I don’t post much,I am disabled and ill alot so am awake alot. so I am on here at all times. He was using sock as unfollowed. he was having a hard time and drunk.accidentally signed as J3. things got heated with others. she tried to stop it and stood up for him. she was crying for days. a few days ago ppl kept bringing it up to her and she asked,pleaded for ppl to stop. finally she said she had to take a break. last nite J3 said he was going to talk to her. i hope it all works out they both have been very nice to me.

            • Lucille Austero

              Thanks, Donna. I hope things work out.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Nat is great.
              I never saw the incident with J3, and Unfollowed.
              Many of us liked him because of his humor.

              Commenting while drunk is not advisable.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              it started two Sundays ago

            • NOLAGirl

              Friendly drunks (like me) are welcome. 🙂

            • Eclipse-girl

              Yes. I find typing even more difficult, though

            • Sherbet

              Thanks for the recap, Donna. I really don’t like it when people don’t get along in the Bunker, because we’re all united for a common purpose.

            • i-Betty

              You’re easy to be nice to because you’re lovely 🙂

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              Thank you. you are very kind.

            • Baby

              Hi Donna.. I know you don’t post much, but when you do I love it.. xo baby

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              Thank you,you are so good to every one, you seem to be the peace keeper to me. You and i-Betty are very special Ladies.

            • Baby

              Oh Donna.. Thank you so much.. I try to keep peace among these turkeys ….

              Unless I’m the one who is starting Shit..hahaa xo

            • 1subgenius

              And it’s why we can’t have nice things.

            • Qbird

              We have nice things 1sub.
              Why, why… just lookee yer hat!

            • 1subgenius

              Everything is broken.

            • Qbird

              Okay. “Everything is broken.”
              Everything… ?
              That’s a whole lot I’m thinking.
              Lemme see if I can Wrap My Head Around That ~ uh-huh ~ my music player works… 🙂
              Gimme dat Lucinda…
              http://youtu.be/aV9eXz7drL8

              I’m gonna hang tough & see what happens next.

            • 1subgenius
            • Qbird

              niice ~ I am listening to & indeed lovin’ this song 1Sub. tks
              This was an interesting thread to read & consider.
              I really do count on you regulars to present all sides of a ‘case’.

            • 1subgenius

              It’s from one of his best albums, produced by the awesome Daniel Lanois, who has some rather fantastic albums of his own.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh_Mercy

              I can listen to it anytime.

              And thanks for the refresher on Lucinda. She’s quite the badass.

              The song I always associate with “Everything is Broken” is “(I’m Fixing) Broken Things” by David Byrne.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ag3ZKuUoy0

            • i-Betty

              Donna, ‘Obvious Sock Puppet’ is Jim? For sure?

            • Billy Bob

              OSA said he was J3. See yesterdays enturbalation. I will look up spelling later.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              yes just replied to Lucille down below.

            • i-Betty

              Thank you. Well Nat and Jimmy are two of the best Bunkerites I know. I hope they will be able to resolve things and come back to us 🙁 Glad to hear Jimmy is still around, though.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              yes,i forgot to say that nite he deleted his account and was missing until last nite i believe.thats what upset her so, they just missed each other by a couple days. its so sad.

            • i-Betty

              ETA: I now understand that Jimmy and Nat didn’t have a problem with each other. I didn’t want to add even more confusion to the debate.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              That’s confirmed.

        • NOLAGirl

          Me either. I didn’t even know about the Jimmy stuff until someone told me.

    • flyonthewall

      Nat is a special lady and not in the retarded sense. I hope she comes back soon. Bunker misses Nat!

    • Observer

      Did she leave? 🙁

      • Eclipse-girl

        yes. it was a few nights ago she made her announcement.

        • Observer

          🙁

      • i-Betty

        I have been wondering where Nat and Jimmy are 🙁

        • Juicer77

          She was very graceful about it. I don’t remember her stating reasons why.

        • April

          Jimmy said he’s taking some time off for Lent. Said he’d be back after HBO airing of GC.

      • Sherbet

        I missed that, and I don’t know what happened. I know Jimmy is absent for awhile. Anyway, I’m missing a lot of the old crew that goes back years. The new people are great, and all are welcome, but there are so many missing avatars.

      • Guest

        Yes, Nazanin is definitely out. My friend dated her after Cruise and confirmed the story before it even broke in the media. You can look her up.

        • Eclipse-girl

          This was about the commenter Nat-lificent

      • Robert Eckert

        She was upset about the Jimmy incident. Jimmy says he has sent a message to her. Jimmy is still bent out of shape with me and with Max and others are bent out of shape with him, so nobody really knows how it will play out.

    • I think it’s being handled pretty well over there…. I reckon the People editors are getting quite an eye-opening on the real story of their previous beloved celebs…. I threw this one into the mix for the lulz… for all the new readers here this one’s a doozy and one of my favourites!

      By mid-to-late 2004 Tom was so locked in to Miscavige’s spell he was incapable of comfortable socialization with the outside world, at least on an intimate basis. He asked his best friend Dave to help him find a good-looking Scientologist wife, so he would not wind up with another degraded being like his previous two wives…

      …During this same trip, Nazanin (the Miscavige chosen Scientologist wife-to-be for Cruise, Nazanin Boniadi) apparently “disrespected” Miscavige in front of Cruise, by seeking to clarify his trademark staccato comments a couple of times. This prompted Cruise to begin showing Nazanin his ugly, “big-being” side.

      Tom took her into his home office to give her a “reality adjustment” in front of Tommy Davis, who remained quiet the entire time.

      Sitting across from Tom at a wide table – like an employee set down for a tongue-lashing from the boss – Nazanin could hardly believe what she was hearing.

      Tom looked at her like a frustrated, overworked executive, let down by a degraded-being underling.

      Then he gave her the intense, laser-focus stare.

      “You don’t get it. It goes like this,” Tom explained.

      He raised his hand above his head, palm downward. “First, there is LRH.”

      Moving his hand down a couple of inches, he continued: “Then there is COB (David Miscavige).”

      He brought his hand down to his own hairline, highlighting the intensity and seriousness of his words: “Then there is me.”

      Nazanin looked at him stoically, hiding her shock at Cruise’s performance of his best Jack Torrance – the psychotic killer played by Jack Nicholson in the filmThe Shining.

      “Dave and me, we’re big beings. We are surrounded by DB’s (degraded beings). DBs can’t help but try to destroy big beings. That’s just the way it is in this universe. You have to understand this. This is LRH, man. It’s the plight of the big being getting jumped on by all the degraded beings. You gotta be unreasonable to survive around a big being like me. You can’t be weak. You gotta be strong to protect the big being from all the degraded beings.” Cruise slammed his fist on the table, veins popping out of his neck from the intensity of his tirade…

      • Eclipse-girl

        saw that, and thanks
        I wanted Nat to help with an argument about word clearing, and thought stopping.
        Her back ground as a language arts educator would have been useful but I think the commenter has displayed their own inability to read.

    • Vaquera

      Last night Dodo said that she’s here. Since her account name has been deleted she may be lurking as a guest. IDK, that’s the only 411 I can pass along. F5

      Looks like we lost Super Power Wogsy. The account name has vanished, though the comments remain. I re-read last night’s thread and don’t see anything serious enough to drive SPW away. So again, IDK.

      • flyonthewall

        what happened to SPW? Kryptonite wielding scilons!?

        • Vaquera

          I have no idea.

          • flyonthewall

            you ate her and she’s in your belly right now isn’t she!?

            • Vaquera

              Nah, I’m on a diet.

  • Ben Franklin

    If you ever wondered what an organization is required to do to maintain their Tax Exempt status, or what can cause an organization to lose such exemption, below is a link you can use to get started:

    https://www.nonprofitrisk.org/library/articles/How_to_Lose_Your_Tax_Exempt_Status.shtml

    Gerry Armstrong has also talked about “Public Policy” doctrine as a vehicle that can be used to scrutinize CoS tax exempt status. If you want a good background on what Public Policy” means in relation to tax exempt organizations. See this document from IRS website as a start:

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicj85.pdf

  • Donna Cline Sargent

    Headline on Yahoo News. Story on E News about TimesTalk Monday calling out Cruise and Travolta. Maybe someone could link.

  • Dave Reams

    Europe is getting the Going Clear buzz but I have not seen any information on international distribution yet.
    Denmarks Politiken newspapaper, right around the corner from Copenhagen’s Advanced not Saint Hill sized mORGue had this article with a cute pictures of Scientology’s shot stars.

    http://politiken.dk/magasinet/feature/ECE2542138/velkommen-til-superstjernernes-kirke/

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      This illustration makes Kirstie look like a thumb with hair…

      • Mrs. V.

        I think it’s how she should always be depicted.

        • sookiesookie

          When people think of Kirstie, I kind of want that picture of “crazy hag flipping a bird” to instantly come to mind — I think it’s the perfect outward expression of the true inner KA.

          But this one’s nice and snarky so I guess it’s a toss-up.

          • Mrs. V.

            That is a great picture. You can see exactly what she’s about.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Like Mama June of Here Comes Honey Boo Boo fame…

          • Mrs. V.

            Right. Perfect!

      • Baby

        That’s because she is under COB’S THUMB 3D

      • Sherbet

        On the other hand, Dave has never looked better. Look at those eyes!

    • One Human

      A true posse of lunatics on the fringe of reality.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Our Bunker illlustrator is a much better (47X) illustrator.

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      Whoa!! Fruit Salad Alert! Was not expecting that, but its hilarious.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I think it takes a great deal of courage for Karen to speak about her husband, Heber.

    I remember him as a complete loon with a title. I remember a suggestion that he was actually set up to be a fall guy, to take the brunt of court action should Scientology be raided again. It seemed that he was not capable of being a reasonable front for the cult, though, for that matter, neither was Hubbard or anyone else. How can a person be a reasonable front for a greedy flying saucer cult started by an SF writer who lied about nearly everything he has ever done?

    As I recall Heber skipped bail in Spain. Again, as I recall it was set at a million dollars. I think he pleaded that he had to go home because of family illness and then never returned to Spain. At this point he may wish that he had accepted Spanish justice.

    He may have been the nicest guy to sit across from and exchange banter with. But from my seat, he looked like a foolish man who was in way over his head.

    • Juicer77

      Thank you, it’s fascinating to hear so many perspectives of the same person.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      My brief encounters with the man are sketchy in my memory for details I wish were at hand, but they were pre Miscavige. Looking back, I’d say his personality was complex. At the time, it appeared to me as suspiciously two-faced, but now that I know a little bit of his background before scientology, my opinion has changed to: complicated and burdened. One facet that everyone who met him saw and experienced was that he had a strong, mile high personae. No one who spent even an hour with him forgot him, or had no opinion. That’s a fairly remarkable thing for any man to say. He is with no doubt yet one more bright light snuffed out and another song silenced in the bowels of scientology’s power lust.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        One other thought. Scientologists aren’t secretive enough for their own good. Any time I am on a site where a Scientologist is angry because of some newspaper or internet article about their religion, they invariably come off as fools. They make the newspaper reporter look like a brilliant individual. A casual observer would think that the Scientologist has the IQ of a turnip and the common sense of a lemming.

        In this way Heber was one of the most ridiculous. I don’t mean to sound condescending, really. But it is very difficult for a spouse or former spouse to be objective about her mate. There is too much emotion. Often a person will explain things one way one moment and another way the next. While I laud Karen for the video, I can’t accept it as a final word. When the cult blows up and the history is written there may be a consensus. On the surface, he was a Scientologist of Scientologists– all bluster and no sense at all.

        The impression I get is that Heber and his friends are in a sweatbox doing repetitive activities, sleeping on a floor infested with ants. They have no or almost no R&R. This isn’t very different from the situation staff members were in, in the early ’70s when I was involved with the Toronto Cult. I don’t want anyone to be in that situation, especially if they don’t have to be. At least Heber was living high on the hog before that took place. Nobody but nobody should have a child die under preventable circumstances. I have no cute comment to contradict that or diminish it. That has to be about the saddest thing in the world.

        Final words on Heber Jentsch whose name I don’t even want to look up so that I can spell it right– His first name reminds me of the sound Shemp used to make when he was befuddled. “Hebebebebebeeb”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I have to say, I doubt very much Karen intended or especially Wants to be the final word. We all had our different experiences with different people when we were at different places mentally and in every other way. I do, however, understand what you’re saying and agree there was much happening before Miscavige. Anyway, your story, your experiences and how you felt about it then and now and your opinions on the whole mess is just as valid and important as anyone’s. It’s important to get it out there and heard. At this point, I’m reserving all my focus on John Travolta and Tom Cruise. I don’t believe they will speak up, but I know if they did, many many lives and many families will finally get a chance to breathe again – and maybe leave.

          (I also remember Toronto org visits btw – really enjoyed most everyone there – hated the weather of course).

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Thanks for the serious and thoughtful remarks. I remember getting my car stuck in a snow bank the first time I went to the Toronto Org. The wheels spun. I don’t actually remember how I got it out but it must have involved a push from someone. I have a son who lives in California now. He says that he can’t understand while people live where it snows.

            I assume nobody but you and a very few others will read this. It is enough ahead of the new comments that only a full time researcher would want to get to this needle in the haystack.

            Here is something I want to get off my chest.

            There was a lot of talk at the start of the year that this would be the year Scientology caved in. Well, it’s March. The movie is about to come out and then soon another will come out. I picture a whole bunch of journalists sticking mikes in the face of John Travolta and Tom Cruise, where they deny or no comment and then all the hubbub will be over. The number of people who see the movie will be about the same number that see the Lance Armstrong film, which is not a lot.

            And at the end of it most will say something like, “Can you imagine that, I mean, here in America?” Then they will go off for a slice of cake and some coffee and thereafter it will be the furthest thing from their mind. Given this scenario, it will become another butterfly effect albeit a large and colourful butterfly effect.

            The other possible scenario is that Cruise or Travolta will be embarrassed into actually doing something off script. That could make the rest of 2015 quite interesting. Or, at the 2016 Academy Awards, it will win Best Documentary and receive a standing ovation from the crowd. That would be the talk of the entertainment pundits the next morning, before it was all forgotten.

            I don’t see this as the year of the collapse, at least if I was laying money on it. The Scientologists are foolish but they are also tough and rich. They still have some life in them. I hope I am wrong.

            • Mymy88

              Well I hope you are wrong and I hope people get so mad that everybody will be talking about it.

              I think the exposure of the church’s corruption will be something people will not forget.

              I say that because it will be revealed that CO$ has undermined one of the most basic trusts that citizens need to have, in order function properly in a free society.

              That need is to at least have enough faith in their government to feel secure in knowing a posse of rouge clowns, wearing big red rubber noses, would never be able to inflict harm on innocent citizens by successfully corrupting targeted government areas.

              Once it is realized this is exactly what has happened, all kinds of shit is going to rain down on the government here in the US. By the time it’s all over and done with, people are going to be much sharper about recognizing how cults use manipulation and convincing false advertising to gain power. That’s always a good thing.

              All that will be left is teeny tiny break away groups that will be unrecognizable as being anywhere near what CO$ is now, or was in the past.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              We will all have to wait and see. I hope I am wrong too. Thanks for your thoughtful response.

              I am going to be a downer here. I am not a downer kind of guy but sometimes being a downer is realistic.

              When I was involved the local cult was much, much bigger than it is today. No one at the cult office today precedes me. Everyone has skipped. I assume they have all woken up. But there were only three exes at the pre-Anonymous protests. The others, and including family and affected friends there may have been a thousand affiliated with Scientology in Toronto, were at home doing whatever it was that was important to them. We were profiled in the Globe and Mail (a major newspaper) and the protests took place on Yonge Street, the busiest street in Toronto. People knew about it.

              If I take that a step farther and look towards people who were never involved I saw SF fans and internet enthusiasts. In a city bigger than Chicago we had between 5 and 12 protesting and that was about it. Once, at lunch, the people at the next table were unaware of who we were. They talked scornfully about the people protesting Scientology. They felt that Scientology was weird enough and didn’t need to be protesting. You might say that they felt that Scientology was self-protesting. Actually, I didn’t much care what they had to say. I felt that what we were doing was very important. I just wondered how many others felt that way.

              Anyway, as my dear old dad used to say, “We will see what we will see”.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Well, I see what you’re looking at for criteria. But this is major HBO, and you have caliber all the way around of Gibney and Wright, Paul Haggis, then there’s the other celebs who are supposed to be in the doco – Jason Beghe – and Tony Ortega and of course the mention of Travolta and Cruise.

              That’s a whole lot of people each with their own networking web. Most of all, the kind of buzz this has gotten already and the way even the TimesTalk interview was picked up by media – I can’t see HBO Not putting major funding in major promotional events. I think there’s a growing awareness of problems with the IRS and they are under investigation for 501C charities favoritism. There’s some powerful books that will be coming out month by month it looks like. Maybe Leah Remini will create her own buzz.

              There’s a lot of unrest with the source of many areas being a lot about coercive persuasion and fantacism and I sense a growing understanding about what fundamentalism really is and what it’s tentacles are doing in our communities – and what we are and are not teaching our children.

              It really is all about timing, but I know that I and others I know who know nothing about scientology are seeing major shifts in the paradigm or maybe divider would be a better word – of this pulling apart of the average family and this whole 1% corporate culture. Scientology is just one example of what happens when sociopathic groups get some serious bucks in their coffers. I am rambling, sorry. I think it might be the right moment when this vortex of all kinds of stuff is combining in the collective conscious. I hope it’s the right time – I think by the end of this year it will definitely be building enough to move political will in the right direction. Whew.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              I hope so. And don’t worry about the ramble.

              Again, I really don’t mean to be a downer on this but I am not seeing politicians standing up much– there are big exceptions. But not much is going on politically in the US, Canada or England. The money is diminishing but they SEEM to be turning a profit. And even if they are not they have the money and real estate to hold up for quite a while. That leaves a knife in the back from the movie stars. It could happen. What other points of vulnerability do they have? Information via you, me and the internet will continue to slow conversion but they have between two and ten billion to tide them over.

              We will all have to wait and see.

              I have never put this down before but I was born the very same month that the Church of Scientology was born. I hope I outlast them. It could go either way.

    • Captain MustSavage

      As a never in Heber came across to me as smug, arrogant and domineering. Very unlikeable.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Me too.
        That is why the information from the now disappeared video was important.

        Karen stated that Heber was instructed / coached / berated as to what to say and how to behave by the Tiny Tyrant.

  • Missionary Kid

    I think that both Gibney and Wright hit it out of the park on GMA. The most telling item mentioned going into the piece was that $cientology wouldn’t provide anyone to show up. ABC did provide quotes from $cientology, but they were ineffective (and, in my opinion, stupid) in the face of two award winners and the clarity of their presentation.

    I especially loved the calling out of all the celebrities in the first part of the segment. I hope ABC puts the clip online soon .

    I TIVO’d the show, and am just watching it. The segment started at about 31 minutes into the second hour and lasted about 9 minutes, a huge block of time on a morning show. The questions from the GMA interviewers were excellent.

    SCREW YOU, MISCAVIGE. ABC just added to the time bomb. The ticking sound I hear is getting faster. It’s now closer to ticktockticktockticktock than tick tock.

    • Mrs. V.

      GMA, too? I missed that. Oh, what a bummer. Luckily I set up the DVR last night for the CBS segment. I’ll be watching that when I get home :).

      • Missionary Kid

        I goofed. It was CBS. I’ve corrected my post.

        • Mrs. V.

          That’s a relief. Thank you!

    • Douglas D. Douglas
      • Missionary Kid

        Oops. You’re right. I’ve corrected it.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Thank you for posting that.. What a great interview.. I love how Gail tried to get a good word in for cruise and travolta.. I hope she actually watches this film, but the way she and Oprah both drool over tom and john and kirstie and kelly, I bet she won’t.. It sounded like the other two definitely watched it, though. They were much more knowledgable and asked much better questions..

        • Ella Raitch

          Even if she doesn’t watch it, the mere fact of her being involved in the interview with Gibney and Wright give her (and Oprah) less plausible deniability.

    • BosonStark

      I agree, MK, I thought it was great. Also, because this segment is about something people can see, a new documentary, and has something to do with celebrities, they will pay more attention than if it were a talk by a former member, maybe connected to a book they’ve written, or something to do with one of their front groups.

      Too often, I feel these pieces are kind of foiled by the complexity of Scientology, and when a spokescreature was present, there was always their diversionary patter to put up with.

      Gibney + Wright doubles the impact of it. A lot of people will wait until a movie or documentary is made until they read the book. Sometimes I do that myself. The documentary is going stimulate many people to read the book on which it is based.

  • outraged

    Sam Travolta Junior!!!!

    Speaks out about the Cult!!!
    He had to run for his life.
    PLEASE, anyone reading who is still-in, RUN!!!, do not walk to the nearest exit.

    also, why have I never heard of Sam T?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2979313/Scientology-killed-John-Travolta-s-nephew-details-life-run-decision-leave-Church-Scientology-trying-life.html

    • NOLAGirl

      If it’s true I urge Sam to get in touch with Tony.

      • flyonthewall

        Why did he go to the Enquirer instead of Tony? Everyone knows Tony’s the man when it comes to CoS!

        • sookiesookie

          The Enquirer pays for stories?

          • flyonthewall

            Of course, duh!

        • Vaquera

          The Enquirer claims that they tracked him down, as opposed to Sam going to them. Then again…it’s the Enquirer.

    • flyonthewall

      That’s fuct up! We gonna get an afternoon post on this Tony?

      • Eclipse-girl

        Only of Sam is talking to Tony O.
        Tony does not report things unless he has verification.

        • outraged

          Radar Online verified! lol

          The headline:
          “Sam had to run for his life!!”

          http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/03/john-travolta-nephew-claims-terrorized-by-scientology/

          Great timing for this news story.
          Definitely bring more people to The Movie of the Year,
          Going Clear!!

          The Cult is going DOWN in 2015.

          • “claiming you’re a pedofile” seems to be their go to threat. I remember watching a documentary in the UK where one of the SP’s in Clearwater trying to film them was accosted in the street and shouted at that he abused children…. in fact it was one of the things that triggered an active interest in the cult and goes a little way to explain the tone I use in my blog headers…. here’s a comment that I made to Dodo late last night that bares repeating and is relevant to the Travolta nephew story

            pic

            • One Human

              ML, I too felt my interest increase after watching the same or similar video. I have tried to locate it again, but have not succeeded. That one, and the one with the young woman working at a desolate org/mission, where she discovers the LRH office.
              And I too became infuriated with the tactics they happily deployed against critics.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Panorama’s “Scientology and Me” when John Sweeney is interviewing Shawn Lonsdale about the CO$ sliming him and then Tommy Davis shows up?

            • thanks

    • Captain MustSavage

      I wonder whether Travoltas PR people nudged this along to try for some good publicity before the storm hits? It looks good that Uncle John is supporting Sam financially even though he left.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Until Davey reads it and then demands the payments stop / disconnection etc (IF the story is true)

    • D.Y.G.

      Wait…he only had a 60 hour work week? That doesn’t seem like enough for a staffer.

  • Suppressive Tomato

    See you at the Arclight on March 13!

  • ShoopZ

    For anyone in the Texas Hill Country: the Austin Film Society is screening Going Clear for AFS members on Tuesday, March 10, 7PM at the Paramount Theatre. There will be a discussion and Q&A with Alex Gibney and Lawrence Wright afterward. http://www.austinfilm.org/premieres–special-events/film-going-clear?

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      Good to know. Thanks!

    • Vaquera

      And someone has tickets!

      • Eclipse-girl

        Who are you taking?

        • Vaquera

          Haven’t decided yet. My cousin lives in Austin, so maybe she’d be interested.

      • ShoopZ

        Woo Hoo!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Here’s all the proof I need that the Going Clear documentary is fake, through and through. According to Freedom Magazine’s website, they have a dossier on every single one of the ants seen in these shots (refresh), and not one has even been near Flag Base.

    The CoS offered a whole colony of ants who have actively practiced Scientology, and have seen their numbers and productivity increase dramatically. Instead, the producers relied on attacks from disgruntled ants that are nothing more than bitter religious bigots.

    • Mrs. V.

      I guess that’s the only thing Luzzadder could promote? The ants aren’t real?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I knew it! Where were the Florida crazy ants? the ghost ants? the soldier ants? the fire ants?? Hmmm?

      • Betsy

        And the VM ants, with their tiny gold T-shirts!

      • Elle

        ‘THEM’ ants…;-)

    • Missionary Kid

      Damn SP ants!

    • Robert Eckert

      Biter deformiced antostates!

      • Betsy

        Robert, you owe me a new laptop…

      • ShoopZ

        Apostants?

    • ShoopZ

      I’ve heard that when ants are declared they receive a petal from an actual goldenrod.

    • consigli3r3

      That what ants get whey they get caught in DM’s closet!

    • Jgg2012

      How come they can video ants, but not Shelly?

    • sugarplumfairy

      Bitter ant apostates..

  • Always Amazed

    I just contacted the Arclight in LA (Jim F in Guest services) and they tell me GOING CLEAR is not going to be screened there on 3/13/15, any way to get some more clarity? I would love to go.

    • Science Doc

      I haven’t called but I sure can’t find it on their web site.

      • Always Amazed

        That is why I emailed them, I could not find anything. If HBO “rented” the Arclight to screen, then tickets would have to come from HBO, but there is nothing on their website either. Maybe it is an invitation only event?

        At the risk of sounding paranoid, maybe the Arclight guy is a plant? (j/k)

  • Captain MustSavage

    The possible reopening of the IRS War is why they’re desperate to discredit GC. I think we’ll see scientology morph and produce something close to a charitable institution as a means of staving off the inevitable (I hope) revocation of their tax exemption.

    • Science Doc

      This is the worst storm they have ever faced, and the potential for damage is enormous. And that includes nudging the IRS in the direction of revisiting their tax status. Time Magazine in 1991 forced their all time high water mark, but the Church used that as an opportunity to teach the mainstream US media to stay away from them with considerable success. This time it is a wounded beast, and some of the wounds are self inflicted. This is a fight for survival. If they loose it, death will be lingering but assured.

      • Baby

        Your words are gold Doc.. Pure Music..

        • Science Doc

          Thanks Baby. Been enjoying your paintings.

          • Baby

            Oh Thank you.. So many fabulous stories here lately I didn’t want to post more until there is a lull…

            Shit I should have posted one when The SPY Author was posted..

      • Lucille Austero

        Excellent post!!

      • Captain MustSavage

        The media is going to have to join in to finish them off and I’m not so sure there’ll be a media scrum. Major networks refused to provide film for Gibneys film because they were still scared, no one shoved a microphone in Cruises face and asked him to answer for tapping his wife’s phone at the BAFTAs. I think the media are still reluctant to really out the screws on. Do we expect FOX to do it while van Susteren is right there? I can only hope that John Oliver turns his outraged rapier sharp wit on it.

        • Mymy88

          I’m sure the media will go Taz on Scientology and finish it off. I’ll bet you a good Davy Mustravage meme on that. Ah dang, I can’t remember who came up with that new Miscavige nickname yesterday, so I can’t give credit. I’ll try to find out and come back and edit this.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Respectfully, I disagree. Not the worst storm. It might be a bad one in terms of publicity, but I submit that 134 FBI agents in a dawn raid of three ‘church’ locations on July 8th 1977 was the worst storm. Followed closely by the 30 year ongoing IRS investigation.

        The sad reality is that bad publicity only makes cosmetic changes.

        It will become the worst storm if it forces the political will to order the Law Enforcement and Tax agencies (IRS, FBI, Homeland Security, Attorney General, Defense Intelligence, etc.) to actually do something with hard consequences. Such as seizure of assets and property, arrests and imprisonment, assessments for back taxes and penalties.

        • Science Doc

          They still grew after the Snow White raids. Rinder has said that membership peaked in 1991 and then went into decline. Tony has said that Time magazine was responsible for the slide starting. Im sure they didn’t enjoy the raid, the prosecution and the bad publicity but they threw Mary Sue and a few others under the bus and movied forward. Same thing with LaRouche and his little cult. He went to prison with his top execs and didn’t miss a beat. Only senility has slowed that boat.

    • Sibs

      $cientology as anything close to a charitable institution? That’ll never happen.

  • sookiesookie

    I couldn’t watch the Karen video at work, and now it says it’s private (same thing on youtube) — anyone know what’s going on?

    • Elle

      I just finished watching it about 10 minutes ago.

      • sookiesookie

        In that case, I’ll just go ahead and jump to the conclusion that this is… *ominous music* an Arrow In The Dark! /s

        (I’ll try again in a few)

        • maybe it just got made private?

      • Graham

        Me too. Watched it about an hour ago and now it’s ‘private’.

    • Yep I just clicked on it and it says it’s private.

      • sookiesookie

        A long post of Karen’s from a couple nights ago (very late) also disappeared by the next morning… Things are odd. :-/

        ETA: “Things are odd” means I’m worried about KdlC being targeted.

        • I hope she’s handling all this as well as she can. She has a great amount of support around her, but it’s still gotta be very difficult for her.

          • sookiesookie

            I’m glad she’s got J.A. He seems supremely capable of being a great support system. But I hope she has a lot of others as well.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          I am pretty sure I read somewhere,most likely here.OSA is attacking her,and there is something they do and it F’s with her videos. BASTARDS !

    • Sidney18511

      Somebody must be hacking her. I hope she is aware about what’s happening to this video. Has anyone checked her YouTube channel?

    • Captain MustSavage

      Me too can’t see it.

    • Betsy

      Her last video got hacked and shut down too! Can someone get in touch with them? I tried to go to her last video and it was black and said something about removal because of violation of ownership or something.

      • sookiesookie

        The last one too? If it isn’t Karen removing them herself, I’m sure she knows about it. I know this happened to her before and IIRC, to Tory as well.

        Way to go, “church” — proving exactly what Going Clear claims you do to ex-members.

    • Observer

      She was describing what went on behind the scenes with Heber getting more and more aggressive and obnoxious with the press before he disappeared. What it boils down to is that Miscavige dictated to Heber what he was to say and how he was to say it. The aggression was Miscavige’s, not Heber’s. She also touched on how it was drilled into Heber that the Sea Org crap was his first priority and how because of that he missed out on being a father.

      • sookiesookie

        Thanks, Observer.

    • flyonthewall

      Karen said it was just loaded on the wrong channel and will be available again soon!

      • sookiesookie

        Hooray!

      • Betsy

        Oh, relief! Thanks, fly.

  • Captain MustSavage

    Gaulle King, Optahs bestie, heard directly with her own ears this morning that Tom Cruise, an Oprah favorite, knows about scie geology abuses. Do we think hats not going to talked about?? Nuh uh. People should also be asking Oprah if she’ll be doing one of her soft pedal interviews with Cruise or whether she’ll ask the hard questions.

    • Always Amazed

      Amen! Tory/Magoo has tried and failed, but with enough pressure maybe it happen? OW looks a fool now, that is for certain. I don’t think she really cares at this point, she is richer than God and is off network….Oprah who?

      Not sayin anything is wrong with that…..

      • Dr_Orpheus

        She may look like a fool to many people but I expect most of her diehard fans won’t care.

    • Mymy88

      BOOYAH! I have a sore spot about that too. My mama tries to talk me down from that attitude. I guess there is the chance Oprah simply did not believe the truth, when, if, someone tried to convince her.

      • One Human

        Barbra Walters also is an ostrich when it comes to the clams.

        • Mymy88

          Hello and thank you! What is the deal with people you would think should be in the know, but they act or pretend to be cluless as to the ills of $cien. I’m talking about people such as Greta Van Sesteren, Oprah, and as you said, Barbara Walters.

          Crap! Even Wendy Williams knows the deal. There was a video clip on YouTube where Wendy was talking about Scientology. The audiences’ reaction to some of the things she said were interesting. She knows the deal. She said something like… be careful about criticizing $cien, you might end up bloody in a back alley somewhere. She was half joking and half definitely serious. You know? Wish I could find the clip.

          • One Human

            Wow!
            Yeah, Baba dismissed claims of wrongdoing(IIRC in relation to Jenna M. Hill’s book) on “The View”, because she had toured one / some of their schools, thx to TC.
            In the video, you could almost anticipate her putting her fingers in her ears to block out anything “bad”.
            I have always respected her, to a degree, but no more, whatsoever!

            • Mymy88

              What the f*ck is her problem! (Baba LOLOLOL) Well I hope that Baba is stewing in it now, and Oprah, and little Miss Greta and her icky hubby.

              I know. It hurts when the respect you had for so long, for some of these celebrities, plummets to no respect at all, in an instant, once you find out these celebrities are not hearing it.

              I can’t wait to see Baba eat crow about this.

    • Mymy88

      Ha ha. Right. If I were Oprah, I’d be thinking hard about back pedaling, and forget about any soft pedaling BS. I’d also invite Tory Christman on my show and apologize for ignoring her (allegedly), but I totally believe it.

  • Jennhatesyou

    Hey LA people,
    I would love to round up a group of us for the Hollywood premier, anyone else interested in going?

    • Science Doc

      Potentially. First step is to verify where it is being shown.

      • Suppressive Tomato

        Agreed.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Will Guy Fawkes masks be wanted/needed ?

      • Jennhatesyou

        I guess that all depends on each individual and I’m not sure the arclight will allow masks. Will have to check on that.

      • Mymy88

        Not needed but definitely wanted, by me anyway lol.

    • Candy Swanson

      Love to get together. Have you been able to buy tickets yet? Aloha!

      • Jennhatesyou

        I have not been able to find anything on the archlight website as of yet but I will keep my eyes peeled for when they do.

    • shasha40

      You do understand that you have to report any and All activity to the Bunker for those of us that can’ t be there ? Lol

      • Jennhatesyou

        Absolutely 🙂

        • shasha40

          Just checking ! We love you then , Jennyhatesyou ! 😀

    • Basketballjane

      I am thinking about going to the Arclight showing. I am already going to the screening Monday at LACMA with a Q and A with Gibney after. But I might be down for two showings in one week!

  • eloise

    Why did cbs make no mention of Gayle King’s personal relationship with Travolta? Shoddy journalism.

    ETA, still thought good job by Wright and Gibney.

    • Always Amazed

      and GK is there because she is besties with Oprah, who is friends with all of the Culters. In a couple of steps more, we should reach Kevin Bacon!

    • Ben Franklin

      Didn’t even occur to me who the woman on the show is until now that you have mentioned it. Not only that, her best friend Oprah is friends with both Travolta and Cruise. She did ask a question that was kind of telling that she might have a soft spot for Scientology

      • flyonthewall

        I have a soft spot for scientology too. It’s my butthole

        • shasha40

          You’re killing me , Fly ! Bahahahaha !

          • flyonthewall

            Thank you! I’ll be here all year

            • shasha40

              What are we going to talk about when CoS is gone ? I’ll be here . 🙂 * pours some Heineken out for the victims of CoS *

    • flyonthewall

      umm bc that would of ruined the international banker/psych/media tycoon/lizard king’s plans you fool!

  • pluvo

    Miscavige, the “ecclesiastical leader” (and the ‘Pope’) of Scientology is not participating in auditing? That is, as if Pope Francis wouldn’t pray and wouldn’t celebrate and would stay away from any Holy Mass.
    Well, at least he has his Cathedral (Super Power building) now at the “Mecca of Technical Perfection” and at “the Friendliest Place on Earth”.

  • Eivol Ekdal
    • sookiesookie

      Thank you, E.E.!

      • Eivol Ekdal

        I did nothing, but I transfer your “thank you” (x47) to our dear Karen.
        I actually in tears just looking at those pictures of Alexander.
        Travolta, you knew Alexander! What’s wrong with you Man!
        What ever information they may have on you, it can’t be worth your soul!

        • flyonthewall

          Seriously, if anything coming out would be a huge boost to his career and if Sci slimed him which they def would they would be openly reviled in Hollywood instead of secretly like now

          • Eivol Ekdal

            In this crazy world we love our degraded beings don’t we!

            • flyonthewall

              the more degraded the better I say

            • shasha40

              I draw the line at enablers like TC and JT … 🙂

            • flyonthewall

              even if he did come out JT would have A LOT of bad karma to make up for

            • shasha40

              Hey , we forgive , we don’ t forget , signed Karma . 😉

            • Allie

              Me too, Shasha.

            • shasha40

              I keep good company , birds of a feather and all that . It’s never too late though for them , because I do practice forgiveness. * open arms to TC and JT * 🙂

          • Billy Bob

            Actors have been known to be successful even after serious crap.

            • flyonthewall

              that’s a lie and you know it! ADMIT IT!

          • Hingle McCringleberry

            It’s pretty sad that he doesn’t realize that when they publicize the fact that he was playing Clue and Professor Plum got him in the Bedroom with the Lead Pipe that nobody will care and he’ll get more movie roles. . .

            • flyonthewall

              did you just…was that a….ahhhh you naughty boy you! I see what you did there!

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              I g-g-g-got a g-good brain! (refresh)

            • flyonthewall

              once upon a time there was a retard!? wtf LOL!

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              If you haven’t seen Tropic Thunder- which features the one and only role in which Tom Cruise is likeable- you’ve missed out on life.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              For real, I utterly despised Tom Cruise and mostly still do, but I think he might be doing a DM impression in this movie, and of course you cant go wrong with Robert Downey Jr. playing an Australian actor that’s playing a black guy with actual black guys.

            • flyonthewall

              I have been meaning to watch that for awhile. Have a feeling it would be a fav

    • MaxSpaceman

      You are an Interwebz wah-ree-yer !

      • Eivol Ekdal

        What the hell is that? 🙂

        • flyonthewall

          i think it’s scottish for warrior

          • Eivol Ekdal

            And here’s me looking at videos of the oh-wah-ree board game for clues.

          • Hingle McCringleberry

            Scots Whah Hae!!!!! Och Aye!!! Fragglestick Car. Wu Tang Clan Aint Nuthin to Fut Wit.

            • flyonthewall

              lol, fraggle

    • RMycroft

      The first one wasn’t under the SurvivingScientology account. I’d wondered about that.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        I did not notice that. Good eye.

  • Vaquera
    • TheHoleDoesNotExist
      • shasha40

        Whoop ! There it is ! 😀

      • BAM!

      • Lucille Austero

        Real men don’t wear wigs. Usually.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Meh, some do, some don’t. But the good ones probably are sensible and wear hats too.

        • flyonthewall

          Yeah, 3/5 of the guys on the NYT Going Clear panel were bald and didnt wear a rug. I think you’re on to something Lucy

          • Lucille Austero

            Exactly! Be yourself, guys!! It’s sexy!

            • flyonthewall

              oh yes for sure. I just let it all hang out with my bad self

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I think support is heavenly. Especially Marion wool. You can wear the same pair for a week! http://www.icebreaker.com/en/mens-underwear

            • flyonthewall

              a week!? That’s a bargain at 2x the price!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              They are pricey but once I tried these on 6 years ago I threw all of my other drawers out. They weren’t so in vogue back then. They have a ,”Baaa code” so you can look up the sheep they came it came from in New Zealand. You can always get them cheaper. Wait for sales. They are awesome traveling.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Ahhh – I’ve beginning to see the light you and Lucille and shedding on this matter.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          What about all of the British judges sweet pants?

          • Lucille Austero

            Well, Todd, I believe that’s a different kettle of fish. Tradition, etc 🙂

            • Todd Tomorrow

              ” kettle of fish”. I honestly think the hand is on the wrong foot now.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yes it is- and all can grapple that at www. thatadifferentketttleoffishliketraditionandallthat. com

    • Eivol Ekdal

      “The real story is that Scientology has seen greater expansion over the past decade than in the previous 50 years combined,” the statement continued. “Its 11,000 Churches, Missions and affiliated groups now reach every part of the globe, with 40 Ideal Churches spanning five continents opening since 2004 alone. Its humanitarian and social programs touch lives in 167 countries.”

      Notice the single most important figure missing.
      How many members Dave?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        He’s so vain I bet he think this isn’t about him.

      • Betsy

        As Jeffrey Augustine points out, owning a lot of buildings only means that you have a large real estate portfolio. It doesn’t mean ANYTHING else. No other information can be gleaned from the mere fact of owned building.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          “Human rights violations, reeducation camps, forced abortions, child labor, slave staff, human trafficking – But we have buildings!” I mean, who says that after these abuses are mentioned about your organization?

          • Eivol Ekdal

            Just look at our corbels!

      • Just Dee

        Do they list all 11,000 churches on their website?

      • Phil McKraken

        That claim of “every part of the globe’ can be troublesome. Obviously, you can instantly disprove the claim if you get to define “part.” Being an analyst, I happen to know that the central problem of life is effective categorization, and thus I will take on the problem from Scientology’s point of view — a bit of a thought experiment. Firstly, they can define parts of the globe by continent, either the real continents (I’ll be generous and exclude Antarctica) or the “continents” of Scientology Bizzaro-Geography, which are self-fulfilling, being defined for this purpose to start with. On the flip-side, part-as-country would never work, and that goes for almost any global institution you can imagine — even KFC. But I think they have an opportunity to both simplify and multiply the reach of their grasp by defining parts as overlapping sets of hemispheres. If the parts of the globe are Northern Hemisphere, Southern Hemisphere, Western Hemisphere and Eastern Hemisphere, then Scientology’s octopodal tentacles reach four halves of the globe.

  • Basketballjane

    OK I just called the Arclight and they don’t “have the booking” apparently they are getting a lot of calls about it. How do we get them to get the booking or how can we get it screened at another theater here in the LA area. Arc light would be PERFECT because it is so close to all the LA orgs and would drive them INSANE!!! But it should be screened in LA none the less.

    • Science Doc

      For academy qualification it must be shown in LA.

      • Basketballjane

        Well somebody better call the Arclight and get it booked then. The NY theater has it on their website but the SF one does not. I called there, The Presidio theater, as well and spoke to a nice lady who told me the schedule doesn’t come out for the next week till Friday. So we will see.

    • flyonthewall

      I would suggest calling them every 10 minutes until they get it

    • Sibs

      It has to be the Arclight. It’s just a block down the street from Lil Davey’s personal office. He might be able to see the lights from his office – if someone could get him a box to stand on.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Now there’s a vision to behold and treasure.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Can you call back and ask if their stats are going to be up this week? If they answer either yes or no, well, you know;)

      • Basketballjane

        Brilliant!!! I am pretty sure she was an actual employee. She didn’t try to Sec Check me on the phone. I think they are getting a lot of calls to try and get advanced tickets.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          It’s that pesky Tony Ortega again, isn’t it. Hell, he scooped HBO so it’s no stretch to say he is now scooping the theaters too! He has Super Powers, this one.

          • Basketballjane

            The NY Theater has it on their website and the SF one I called and they don’t set the schedule for next week till this Friday. So I would check back then to see.

          • shasha40

            Scoopy Ortega , SP #1 !

    • Robert Eckert

      ARC Break?

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    The CBS This Morning interview is also directly available on YouTube for anyone who cannot load it from the CBS News site:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXCXKcRDCN0

    • Lucille Austero

      Thanks, DDD. *Some* people’s work filters may not have allowed them to see this on the CBS site.

    • sookiesookie

      “If Tom Cruise were here right now, he would vehemently disagree with what you’re saying…”

      Well then, let him show the f*ck up! I’m sure Gibney and Wright wouldn’t object in the least!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        And if I have just the musicial selection cued up if he does drop by. Which he won’t.

        http://youtu.be/mLRjFWDGs1g

      • Mymy88

        Oh sookie sookie now! lol

    • romanesco

      Thanks Doug! Just what I was looking for.

    • Bob

      Doug, Thanks for posting.

    • Pepsicat

      Exciting times! Thanks Doug

    • ze moo

      Where is ABC in all this? They used to cover the clampire, Ted Koppel’s interview with Miscavage is the only real public speaking the COB has ever done.

      Gibney’s ‘Going Clear’ is getting huge coverage all over the US. If the clampire actually knew what they were doing they would bury their heads in the sand and ignore it. But that doesn’t show ‘confront’, cue the Streisand Effect.

      • Captain MustSavage

        Wasn’t ABC one of the networks that refused to provide permission for film to be used in GC?

    • Argh! Not available in Canada.

      Mutter, mutter, growl, mutter.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+** RED X ** +–+ RED X *** Wednesday the 4th of March
    Good day All,
    1. There is this finance guy with the $cientology CV in NY (& Denver!) who is begging to be reported for spamming see Regional List & today’s Daily Wip.
    Here is how it was done for Boston: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-118#post-2514616
    2. The new Tab SpamTrack” is meant to help you identify possible spams that can be reported to CL
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  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    HBO livestreaming news. If, like me, you don’t have cable tv anymore, won’t have to wait long to watch HBO:

    “HBO’s cable-free streaming service will be called “HBO Now” and cost $15 per month, according to International Business Times. HBO is reportedly trying to launch the service by April 12, in time for the fifth-season premiere of Game of Thrones.”

    http://qz.com/356106/hbos-streaming-service-for-cord-cutters-now-has-a-name-and-price/

    • Sibs

      So Going-Clear-For-People-With-No-Cable Day will be April 12! Hooray!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        “reportedly trying to launch”. So, at least close to that date. Hooray!

        • Sibs

          Well, heaven forbid that cord-cutting fans miss their Game of Thrones and have to find another watching method that HBO can’t monetize!

          Seriously, counting on Game of Thrones here to get my HBO Now soon enough so I’m not waiting months to finally see Going Clear.

      • Mymy88

        Nope, nope, not acceptable. I don’t have cable but hopefully I won’t need to worry because I just tweeted to AMC theaters in my area to please premier ‘Going Clear’ on March 13 like other big cities are doing. They returned this:

        I can get the suggestion to our programming team! -Brien

  • Bob

    CBS news interview. Really good. Hey where was Karin Paou?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Nobody has seen her for ages, I’ve asked. Maybe she found a place a HOLE lot nicer to live.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRXAYp5faQY

      • Suppressive Tomato

        But she has written several threatening letters to HBO regarding “Going Clear”. I imagine “Karin” is actually just a wig that Dave puts on when he’s drunk and angry late at night.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Heber, is the president remember that. Where is that lawyer, Ave Pawwquette? I think it’s all form letters now. Dear, SP(Gibney, Todd, Suppressive Tomato, Bury the nuts, T. Ortega,
          You’ll be sued and shit. Do you know who we are?
          YSCOHB,ARC, ML
          KARIN POWWW, Ugly Eva, Moxon (insert 25vmore attorney’s names)

        • I envision almost an act like Eric Cartman and Jennifer Lopez and/or Mitch Connor! 🙂

          • Suppressive Tomato

            Taco Flavored Kisses, Miss Tia!

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Glad to see you. You had people concerned!

            • Yeah, I feel horrible about that, I had no idea about that (obviously)!!

      • Mymy88

        I didn’t have time to watch this video, especially since it seems to be off topic, but I had too make time, because I love Freddie that much. I’ve not seen this one either. It’s lovely.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I though you didn’t have time to watch it? I’m confused. But I can blame big pharma since I have painkillers for my foot!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Must be in the air (see blow)

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I looked can you help me? Remember I’m om painkillers so I must be treated with

              theraptic courtesy.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I posted Freddie’s “The Great Pretender” – a few minutes later – my musical selection cued up for Tom if he drops my during some Going Clear interview segment.

          • Mymy88

            I am confused too. So let’s just say we can blame big pharma for preventing the end of the world during the cold war, even though I have no idea what I’m talking about. How’s that for some confusion? Was it good for you?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thanks!

      • Bob

        Lol? My guess too.

      • Juicer77

        What a showman, that Mr. Mercury. He would have been horrified at the use of this song in that torture chamber. By all accounts he was an extremely loveable man and a wonderful friend.

        • squirrel

          He was a well highly revered elder in the Zoroastrian Church, Iran, India and London. Born into it, never said much abut it publicly. He was a senistive, and self conscious boy who overcame his fear of stage. I was always glad he was pretty much out and proud before he passed. He’s kinda my dead gay boyfriend…;)

          • Sandy

            Me too

      • coonellie

        HAD to sign in just to say, “Thank you!!!!!!!!” I adore Queen and especially Freddie Mercury! I turned it up full blast. Fortunately, Baby C is used to her mother breaking out into song. I’ve so indoctrinated her into 70s/80s music (especially English/UK) that she started singing with me. You made my entire day. Thanks again.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Thx, My girlfriend and I watch a single mom’s child and I have her singing, Nirvana unplugged songs.

          • Rita Gregory

            Pennyroyal Tea, gets me every time. The pain and anguish of Cobain is all over

            that particular song.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              She likes.”Nothing on top but a bucket and a mop..” Can sing they whole song

      • Sandy

        Oh. I am kinda in love with Freddie.

    • 1subgenius

      Did they at least say that they had asked for someone to appear?
      The media has to be held to task for not noting that there are no live bodies representing CoS.

      • Bob

        They mentioned they asked the church to send a rep.

        • 1subgenius

          Cool. That’s a step.

          • Bob

            Yes, it sure looked bad for the cherch.

            • 1subgenius

              My one note symphony these days is that the media should not only note that there is no live person on their behalf, but to ask why not.
              And they should ask the cult that when they decline.

              “Why not?”

              And report that answer.

              Geez, it’s so easy.

            • Bob

              Abso—-inglutely!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      K -PoW! Blap! Holy missing assholes, Batman.

      • Bob

        Stop making me laugh!

        • Allie

          Glad to hear you’re laughing, Bob.

          • Bob

            Yes, so many abuses that piss me off.

  • J. Swift

    Fact #1 that will help readers unravel and understand how Scientology operates at a fundamental level: The Church of Scientology can only exist if it has an unfair advantage. This is why it lies, cheats, and steals. This is why it spent unlimited money, lied to the IRS, and engaged in certain tactics to gain IRS tax exemption. What the Church told the IRS will come back to haunt it but that is another matter. Bottom line: L. Ron Hubbard was a cheater and liar who spent his life lying and cheating to attain unfair and dishonest advantages for himself and his Church. This character trait is woven into the DNA of the Church of Scientology. Hubbard himself wrote: “”THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them.” – L. Ron Hubbard, “Off the Time Track,” lecture of June 1952, excerpted in JOURNAL OF SCIENTOLOGY issue 18-G, reprinted in TECHNICAL VOLUMES OF DIANETICS & SCIENTOLOGY, vol. 1, p. 418

    Fact #2 that will help readers unravel and understand how Scientology operates at a fundamental level: The leader of the Church of Scientology must always be a coward and a bully who horrendously abuses those closest to him and breaks the law. However, the leader always expects and demands others to pay for his crimes and sins. This explains why Mary Sue Hubbard went to prison and why Quentin Hubbard killed himself. This explains why Shelly Miscavige is locked up and why the Church spent one hundred million dollars defending David Miscavige for his role in killing Lisa McPherson. This is why the Church has spent tens of millions of dollars defending David Miscavige from the charges that he physically attacked and beat Church executives.

    Fact #3 that will help readers unravel and understand how Scientology operates at a fundamental level: The leader of the Church of Scientology must live a life of supreme luxury while others live lives of enforced penury and misery. This is an unequal equation and yet it accurately describes the Cultic and brutal nature inside the Church of Scientology.

    Fact #4 that will help readers unravel and understand how Scientology operates at a fundamental level: The leader of the Church of Scientology will always make grandiose promises of eternity, power, planetary clearing etc in exchange for large sums of money. The leader knows these promises to be lies and yet takes the money. Later, the leader will make excuses as to “the why” for the miraculous promises never materializing. The materials were squirreled, there was a power push, the texts were altered, etc. The leasder will even make wrong those who donated money and “flowed power” to the leader by demanding they be sec checked for their hidden crimes and evil purposes against the leader and the Church.

    Those who do not submit to the leader’s cruelty, contradictions, and outright lies will be declared SP’s and face Disconnection and Fair Game. This is why I say the Church must always have an unfair advantage.

    • Sibs

      Fact #3 also seems to follow from Fact #1. It’s Davey Mousecavige giving himself an unfair advantage over his own followers.

    • Elle

      J. Swift, you rock! Much love to you and KDlaC and all you endure to shine the light into this abysmal topic.

    • Jo

      Mr Swift, love your podcast’s. Got any new one’s lined up?

      • Betsy

        I second this! I’ve listened to all of them (some multiple times) and I need a new one!

        • Jo

          Me too, free on Apple thing. He has a great radio voice. Hoping to hear more.

    • Observer

      The Church of Scientology can only exist if it has an unfair advantage.

      Truth!

      • Allie

        Triple truth!

        • Betsy

          Quadrillionth truth!

    • Captain MustSavage

      Agreed JS.

      The big fundamentals that helped me understand were:
      #1: The Church of Scientology is a totalitarian fascist organisation
      #2 whose goal is world domination
      #3 AT ANY COST.

      Sounds extreme. So extreme it’s literally unbelievable, (which is why Co$ gets away with things) and why no one ever says that publicly because people would think they were a crazy person. The great thing about GC for me is that this is going to make ALL of the totalitarian things they do much much more believable to the man on the street.

  • MrsLurksALot

    O/T, sorry! But, I changed my avi, what do you all think? I’m thinking it is too small. Baby, this is still Holly, a movie still from Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

    • flyonthewall
      • MrsLurksALot

        You. Are. Hilarious. Thank you.

    • April

      There’s always room for Audrey Hepburn. 😉

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Liked the other one – but only because it was easier to identify Hepburn.

      • MaxSpaceman

        me too

      • MrsLurksALot

        Thank you. I’m still undecided and may switch back at any time.

        • Baby

          Do you like this one..

          • MrsLurksALot

            I’ve resized and played with it. Still not satisfied. I may just change it to something completely different. But, not now. Time for a refill.

            • Baby

              That does look better Holly..

        • Baby

          I like the other one better too.. So Iconic.. xo

          • MrsLurksALot

            I like this new one because she is holding Cat. I’m gonna play with it. BRB

    • Baby

      OH yay.. Holly.. Woo Hoo..

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Both Tom Cruise and John Travolta have a duty to address the issues brought up in “Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief.”

    To do that, they are going to have to see the film. Not the edited version, or some synopsis put together by lawyers or someone under the control of David Miscavige. The actual film by Alex Gibney, unaltered. It is a valid question to ask, are they going to be allowed by David Miscavige to see the film and make their own judgements?

    Tom Cruise has made a career of playing heroic characters. Characters who battle overwhelming odds. Characters who risk it all to expose corruption and evil in their own organizations. The kind of heroes who inspire, who become role models for real people.

    John Travolta has played many parts. Some of them have been ‘everyman’, the average joe in the rush of life meeting challenges of love and job. And dealing with psychotic bullies, as in “Urban Cowboy.” His roles are less fantastic, closer to real life. But still with a theme of standing up for oneself, standing up for those who are being hurt.

    John and Tom have also publicly supported Scientology. They have been a public face of the organization. In a significant way, their public image is melded with the characters they have played. And they have put the weight of the characters they have played in the movies behind the image of Scientology.

    Now comes the documentary. Now come witnesses to the abuses by David Miscavige and the treatment of people within the Church that both John and Tom support. Some of these people John or Tom have known personally.

    To me it is clear that John and Tom must speak out about what has been documented. Not just public relations sound bites or that it doesn’t have anything to do with them. Not just some statement that reveals they haven’t even seen the film. If “confront” means anything it must mean stand up now and bear witness.

    Without seeing and hearing Tom Cruise and John Travolta directly address in an informed and detailed manner the issues raised, how can anyone watching them act ever after suspend disbelief? To know they were too cowardly, too weak in real life to confront real evil and real bullies we cannot continue to buy their portrayal of Heroes and Underdogs.

    • Lucille Austero

      Amen. Amen. Amen.

    • MrsLurksALot

      Truth. Preach it, brother!

      • Baby

        Holly you changed your AVI.. Who is it? pretty..

        Edit.. Just read..It’s still Holly..Yay

    • Sibs

      Not to be a downer, but personally, I think both of them will stick their heads in the sand until the very end. They’ve avoided addressing anything else, and CornCob would send handlers to stay with them and make sure they don’t see any parts of the film at all. Their lives seem already carefully groomed to avoid this stuff, only associate with people who won’t bring it up.

      Heck, you wonder what they’re being told right now about the parts of the documentary addressed to them.

      • Suppressive Tomato

        I feel you but I’m just really hoping that because this is HBO, they have to look.

        • Elle

          In my viewing area, HBO has been showing the two most recent Tool Cruise movies (Oblivious and 2Morrow) quite often. I think this is good in that he will be in the forefront of this particular demographic. He may be an icon for CO$, but the notoriety of his ‘name’ can also be utilized to turn the tide as well.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            They really do suck to attempt to sit through.

      • MaxSpaceman

        yes, regret to say, think they’ll be as ostriches. No doubt.

        • Sibs

          I mean, if John Travolta was thankful for their hovering over him after his son’s death, they’re probably not going to question extra handlers following them around inflating their super powered egos.

          • Allie

            Yeah, that was quite the kiss-ass response from JT. He was soooo thankful.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I wonder how cute his handler is and if he gives good face?

    • One Human

      How about a special screening, red carpet and Entertainment Tonight, for any and all willing Sci celebs; the ultimate confront and shatter…..of their fears?
      Otherwise the last word might as well be careers.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Their careers will be over after this doco – how can you do a block-buster movie which includes promotion without going out into ‘wog’ public? The wog public will be demanding a comment or two, at least, the interviewers will be itching to ask about it – no longer will Cruise and Travolta be able to say “those topics are off-limits” – so no interview – no promotion – no films – no careers. Something’s gotta give!

      • Allie

        I really hope this happens. But somehow I have a feeling that they will keep hiding and say nothing
        and just hope it goes away. And they’ll let Dastardly Davy call the shots (or foot bullets as it were).
        After all, what good excuses and rationale could they possibly come up with up that would make any sense to the general public? They would attacked ruthlessly. Just think of the Bunker comments.

        • Betsy

          I have a fear that what you say is right. They may hope to take advantage of the American public’s notoriously short attention span. If they stay hidden until the next Kardashian episode enchants all the new fronts, maybe people will forget to ask. At least I think this might be their strategy, or rather the strategy of David Miscavige/their agents.

          • Sherbet

            The American public does have a short attention span. Case in point: OJ Simpson, welcomed with open arms at golf tournaments and speaking engagements, even after being found guilty in the civil case.

            • Betsy

              Yes. I also think of Richard Nixon, interviewed in his later years as a savant and great statesman.

            • Sherbet

              And Bill Clinton. We forgive, forget, and move onto the next scandal.

              Edit: I was just wondering if, in time, Bill Cosby will enjoy renewed respect and approval, after his mess has cleared.

            • Sandy

              Oh. I hope not re: Cosby.

            • Zana

              Yes… but he was so guilty he found a way to get himself put back in prison. Yikes… what’s going to happen this year and next to all associated with Scientology will be the best soap opera in the world. !

      • Bob

        Yes, the more they avoid it the bigger the questions will grow.

      • Zana

        And if they are playing super-heroes who defend the underdog…nobody will believe them.

        At some point they have to face the reality.

    • sookiesookie

      This is so good, I’d like to see it published as a letter to the editor, or a guest op/ed in the LA & NY Times. It’s excellent.

      • Allie

        Good suggestion. Do eeeeet!

    • Sherbet

      If either speaks out, I’ll eat my foot.

      • Baby

        Sherb.. If either speaks out I’ll eat your foot too.

        • Betsy

          Hah! For a baby, you’re pretty quick on the trigger!

          • Baby

            Ha.. I was just thinking.. OMG what if they do speak out one day.. Now I may Eat my Hat, but my foot? hahahhaa

            • Sherbet

              I think the risk is very small that either will say anything substantial. Our feet and hats are safe.

            • Baby

              Miniscule ..but we Bunkers have very LOOOOOOOOOONG memories.. and you bet your sweet ass if they sqwaked.. someone would be a callin ( not me of course..)

            • Sherbet

              You’re right. Luckily, it’s only you and me in the Bunker right now. So ix-nay on the oot-fay.

            • Baby

              ( Betsy) shhhhhhhh

            • MrsLurksALot

              Um, yeah. A little too late, don’t ya think? 😉

            • Betsy

              That’s why it’s good that you only swore to eat SHERBET’S foot.

            • Baby

              Heh Betsy.. With a name like Sherbet I figured her foot was delicious..

            • Sherbet

              Now you’ve got me laughing, Baby.

            • Betsy

              OH! STOP making me laugh! If you don’t, I’m going to some other site to look at cute kitteh pictures!

            • Baby

              Damn you and Sherb are so easy.. When I go on the road you guys can sit front and center while I do my routine..

            • Sherbet

              It’s a deal. Betsy, you bring the popcorn.

            • Baby

              OK you scared me Sherb.. R U bringing the Tomatoes ..?

            • Sherbet

              Just my sense of humor and loud Italian laugh. You may be sorry.

            • Suppressive Tomato

              I am tomatoes. Please eat foot not tomatoes 😉

            • Sherbet

              Don’t be so saucy.

            • Baby

              We have OFFICIALLY LOST IT.. I knew the day would come one day.. sigh

            • Betsy

              No, I wanna bring the nachos.

            • Sherbet

              Those are good, too.

            • Baby

              NA CHO CHIPS Betsy

            • Betsy

              Lah-lah-lah can’t hear, lah-lah-lah, going over to kitteh pictures now.

            • Betsy

              Show me the money! And I’m on the tour bus with you.

            • Baby

              OHHHHHH you can be my Roadies..

            • Sherbet

              Bad back. Bad knees. Bad legs. Bad attitude.

            • Baby

              hahahahaah.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              ‘The Bad Knees’ would be a great name for a band.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              The krishna people are always nice.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I think the hand is on the other foot now Baby doll!

            • Baby

              Hahahhahaha Hi Todd..did you get my message the other day?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I’m sure I did but all is a fog. Kisses:)

            • Baby

              xo..

        • Sherbet

          There’s plenty to go around. I’ve got big flippers here.

          • Baby

            tee hee

          • daytoncapri

            Happy Meal takes on new meaning.

    • George Layton

      The mechanisms of scientology instill a justified self importance in the persons ideas about what they believe and their right to believe it. I’m betting that both of them refuse to believe any of the documentary while at the same time refusing to even give it enough notice to watch it.

    • Bob

      Very good point. It’s like those French who consorted with the Nazis. They were vilified by their fellow countrymen and women. They were branded cowards.

      • Zana

        Good point.

        • Bob

          Thanks, clam celebs can no longer be neutral.

    • Zana

      Yes. They will HAVE to speak up. At some point the fans will EXPECT them to speak up…and if they don’t, it will become as big a talking point as jumping on Oprah’s couch. I think right now they are wishing it will all just go away…like it has before.

      This is NOT going to just disappear. There is no going back now. I think DM will disappear first.

      • Suppressive Tomato

        He’d be pretty stupid not to see the writing on the wall. Take the old Freewinds out for a final spin round Curacao.

        • Zana

          He has so many enemies, I don’t think he will get away for long. The whales will find a way to do him in…if he doesn’t do himself in first.

          I love your moniker. Suppressive Tomato. 🙂

    • Captain MustSavage

      They need to be asked the questions to their faces. Directly.

      I always remember in some interview Cruise told the interviewer something like “nobody ever says that to me” (followed by trademark steely Cruise glare) “at least not to my face.”

      Its time the media buys the balls to ask Cruise TO HIS FACE.

      • daytoncapri

        Agree, and add Nancy Cartwright.

  • rickiraccoon

    I gotta question….Is it true that “Going Clear” can’t be published in UK, Australia, etc, like the Sciloons keeping claiming? If so, how come?

  • mook
    • Todd Tomorrow

      I don’t he is already sending him money. Have you heard about the fight over the body of the Hilton heir’s body?

    • Juicer77

      Doesn’t pass my sniff test.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        The Enquier got it first and they actually tell the truth. They have tons of lawyers. Negotiated the Cosby coverup

    • RMycroft

      Somehow I don’t think Scientology is the source of all his issues.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Just because someone is broke and homeless. I tend to think many ex-clams are especially the elderly. We here only about the ones who have made it. Don’t forget people being left at the airport with no ticket and The Way to Happiness Queen who was left to eat out of trash cans. Her disconnected took her in and put her in a home. Vid has been pulled from, Youtube.

        • Betsy

          That was one of the saddest videos I’ve ever seen. Didn’t know it was pulled. Any idea why? Other than Co$ being evil?

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Several have been pulled from Karen’s sight? Unfair gaming?

            • Betsy

              I’m not sure. The one shown above SEEMED to have been pulled, but then someone (E.E.?) said that it had just been shifted to another URL. But there is at least one, maybe more, on her Karen de la Carriere YouTube thread (toward the last postings) that have definitely been pulled.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I’ve emailed Karen about other things but hate to bother people. She responds quickly.

    • Bob

      The HBO special is making it safe to speak up. I hope there are more like Trubvoltas nephew.

  • Sherbet

    Show of (figurative) hands: How many Bunkerites squirmed during Karen’s video? Heber made my skin crawl every time he opened his mouth. Jentzsch’s braying voice, Miscavige’s laughable lies. A horrible combination and no great advertisement for the church.

    • Betsy

      Show of hand(s) here. That business about the SS officer being the source of the idea of paranoid schizophrenia was awful. And as his public appearances went on, he shouted louder and louder and absolutely refused to let any interviewer get a word in.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        ? link?

        • Betsy

          If you mean about the SS officer, it was one of the things Heber was yelling in Karen’s video shown above. (Or maybe new URL below. The video seems to have changed URLs since this morning.)

          • Todd Tomorrow

            thx, missed that. 🙂

      • Sherbet

        I wonder if Tommy Davis had to study Heber’s technique. I’m serious.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Wow.. Karen was breathtakingly beautiful..

      • Sherbet

        Yes! Her wedding photo — she looked like a fairy princess.

        • sugarplumfairy

          You’re right about Heber.. He was erratic.. I can’t believe he and miscavige thought he could go one on one with Mike Wallace..

          • Betsy

            Well, it’s hard to be interviewed when the only answer you’re allowed to give is a very obvious lie. I think that’s why David M fed Heber to the wolves and bullied him backstage.

          • Sherbet

            All during my scientology-watching, I’ve been thinking, Damn! Where’s another Mike Wallace to ask the hard questions?

            • Observer

              If there were another Mike Wallace, no Scientologist would be allowed to speak to him.

        • beauty for ashes

          I love pics of Karen on her wedding day. Makes me want to draw her. I can’t seem to get one that is a close up.

      • Betsy

        She always is. And her delivery is so clear and to the point…I love her videos. And her interviews too. Say, if you haven’t heard her (hour long) interview with the BBC (you can find it on survivingscientology.com) be sure to. She’s brilliant, really.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I only found a 20 min? Help?

          • Betsy

            Ooops! Sorry. You’re right about the BBC one. (But listen to it too.) The one I was thinking of was the one below. It’s a guy who does radio interviews. It is coupled with an excellent interview with Tony Ortega. At the beginning the interviewer does a long spiel about who he is and what his aims are that you might want to skip, but the interview itself is a gem.

            http://funny.mobfunny.com/watch/HebDdxrxzUk

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I am glad to see you posting more.
        I had really missed you.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I can never tell who are the victims?

  • aegerprimo

    The CBS This Morning news program interview with Alex Gibney and Lawrence Wright is up for your viewing pleasure.

    Documentary “Going Clear” examines Church of Scientology
    March 4, 2015, 8:31 AM|An upcoming HBO documentary has sparked months of controversy. “Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief,” which includes interviews with several former church members, is being criticized by the Church of Scientology as “one-sided” and “dishonest.” The film’s director Alex Gibney and Lawrence Wright, a Pulitzer Prize-winning author whose book the film is based on, join “CBS This Morning” to discuss the documentary.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/documentary-going-clear-examines-church-of-scientology-2/

    • Sherbet

      I viewed it, and it was indeed a pleasure.

    • Zana

      Wonderful. Really good, calm, intelligent.

    • MadMaxi

      It is also on the main CBS News/Breaking News front page on the left side under the heading “Controversial Religion” with a nice pic of the guys. EDIT to add: Clicking on the link not only gives you the video but also the transcript.

      http://www.cbsnews.com/

      • Mymy88

        Awesome. Thanks for posting this.

  • Panopea Abrupta


    • Stantheman

      I get all of them except the last, what is the Raymond Burr connection?

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Not even Perry Mason could defend $cientology – it is indefensible.

        • Stantheman

          Lol

        • Rasha

          At first, I thought “Ironside”….. “Mason” makes sense, too.

        • Mymy88

          ooops, sorry. I posted my reply before I saw you said the same thing.

      • Mymy88

        I thought it was because Burr was known for, among other acting roles, his role as Perry Mason, a top notch lawyer who never missed a beat; the reference being it would be an impossibility for even the great Perry Mason, to be able to defend Scientology at this point in the game. They are just too sunk, too far gone, and beyond redemption.

    • Todd Tomorrow
      • Todd Tomorrow

        Tried to post his latest Gym photo but having trouble. But my Dad could this whole dance for fun.

      • Phil McKraken

        Say what you want about Travolta, but that is a great movie and he’s great in it.

        In Going Clear there’s a brief clip of him in a Band-aid commercial from 1973. Here it is, and also a couple other commercials — all singing in the shower.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVz_yaz6Arg

        • One Human

          I see strong meme potential with this opening image.

  • Observer

    I’m digging around on OCMB looking for the reference for the EP of OTVIII, and came across this jaw-dropper (which appears to be sincerely meant and not trolling). I hope Bright Future has indeed taken steps to make his or her future bright and beat feet off that sinking ship.

    On the other hand, one of the people who replied had this full-of-win anagram in his or her signature:

    “Bridge to Total Freedom” = “I’m to regret odd O.T. fable”

    • Eclipse-girl

      I wonder if Bright Future still stand by those words.
      It was posted in 2003

      • Observer

        Yep. I sure hope they’re out.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        LOL, probably Bright Future is now UTR or an Ex and maybe posts on the Bunker!

    • Suppressive Tomato

      I had this note taken of OT VIII cognition … not sure if that’s what you’re after:

      “NOW I KNOW WHO I AM NOT AND I AM INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHO I AM”

    • MrsLurksALot

      That is terrifying.

    • Captain MustSavage

      “His ‘tech’ will be in the schools. His policy will be in the workplace. His disciples will be running the government for the greatest good of all.”

      Sends a shiver down the spine, doesn’t it?

      • shasha40

        That is so scary . :0

    • Suppressive Tomato

      I saw a good definition for OT … “Out Totally”!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      One day everything they have will be bought an sold.

    • truth will set u free

      This is most horrifying thing I have read here..makes me shudder to even see this vision in print—>grimaces

    • Rasha

      “Beneath the spreading chestnut tree
      I sold you, and you sold me……”

  • Bob

    The story of how a good, sweet person can be distorted and perverted is coming out with Karens video. Having known Heber in the early days it’s very clear to me that Der Mini-Fuhrer has hundreds, probably thousands of sins to pay for regarding destroying people’s lives. Heber was a good man who chose to dedicate his life to Scientology. And his reward for this; a dead son and a broken spirit living out his life in despair and degradation.

    Tom Cruise and John Travolta know Heber. If they don’t speak out about this and the other massive abuses of the cherch, they are dead meat to me.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I heard he fathered Travolta’s child? Rumor?

      • Bob

        Total rumor

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Was trying to make you laugh, silly.

          • Bob

            Now I’m laughing. You got me! My chain is thoroughly yanked. 🙂

    • Captain MustSavage

      Heber is someone who appears to divide opinion cleanly down scientologist / non scientologist lines. The nons obviously have only seen his public presence – and to us, his public presence was smug, arrogant and domineering. A British MP called him sinister on public television. He did not in any way present a good public image for scientology.

      • Bob

        That was not the case. Before he was president.

        • Captain MustSavage

          I’m not sure whether you ever discussed this with others but do you think scientologists at the time thought that he was a good representation of them and their religion out in public?

          • Todd Tomorrow

            No, I doubt he was ever a “rainmaker” like the celebs.

          • Bob

            At the time Heber was well liked and we all thought he kicked ass. In retrospect it’s actually quite sad. And Karen’s video sheds a lot of light on how he was influenced by Tiny Misleading.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I will disagree. I thought Heber did a good job in some cases.
        For instance, I think he did……..um… OK on the Phil Donahue show.
        He was somewhat engaging and if you didn’t know it was all bullshit……….he talked a pretty good game.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I never know who is the victim. Where the fuck is he now?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            He is at Int base. Not in the hole, because it does not exist……(rolls my eyes).
            Where he ‘himself’ said he will die.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              How sad. Hope he weathered the mud slide I caused.

        • Captain MustSavage

          I saw that one too, and that was probably the least objectionable performance he gave. Even in that however, the smug persona really came through IMHO.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I am a ‘smug persona’.
            So everyone gets a free pass on that from me. HAHAHA.
            But I know what your saying.

            • Captain MustSavage

              In everyday life being smug is … well still pretty unbearable, but as the president of a religion espousing enlightenment is was just completely incongruous. He seemed more like a super salesman than a religious figure.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              They didn’t make him memorize Les Dane for nothing 😉

            • Captain MustSavage

              Ha! Les Dane has a LOT to answer for! 🙂

            • shasha40

              Smugness and the ability to J&D with a great deal of snark weren’t required to be a Bunkeritte ? I filled out the wrong application . lol

        • Eclipse-girl

          Did he talk over any critic on the show?
          Its been a while since I saw that.
          I remember listening to a radio program where he completely talked over a person trying to explain OT III

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            He bantered and argued with Phil pretty good. But Phil could obviously hold his own.
            I feel a bit bad for Heber. He grew up in a FLDS family, fled that crazy… and ended up addicted to LRH.
            It doesn’t get much more of a “prison of belief” than Heber has experienced in his lifetime.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I miss Phil. He was the best!

            • shasha40

              He really was . Now we’re stuck with things like Maury Povich and ,” who’s the baby’s daddy . Yeah, I loved ,Phil Donahue .

            • daytoncapri

              I remember when Jeanne Dixon was a guest on the show when it was only on WLWD TV in Dayton. She told him confidently that his show would go national. He sort of laughed. It should be a YouTube video but it isn’t,

          • Captain MustSavage

            Heber was the master of talking over others then acting as if an injustice had occurred when hosts tried to set limits around his non stop talking. My take on this was that Heber was well aware that public appearances are time limited and he was determined not to give critics or hosts equal air time so that all that would come across was the scientology message.

        • sumertin

          I remember the Donahue appearance. Heber did alright, but Donahue nailed him on Scientology’s concern with psychiatry being nothing more than trying to bring down their biggest competitor. Phil was right on the money.

          • Captain MustSavage

            Agreed. Phil definitely got him there.

      • Anonymous

        Heber’s PR style evolved over time until it became an attack-dog persona that was utterly ineffective and counter productive. Karen’s video describes why.

        It also does not help that Heber was fronting for a malevolent organization with some incredibly bad secrets it tried to keep hidden. No amount of lipstick on the pig of Scientology is going to help, no matter who is acting as spokesperson.

        Most people who knew Heber in a situation where they were not on opposite sides of an issue, liked and respected him. He had many, many friends and admirers inside and outside of Scientology.

        If I had been on the opposing side of an issue and Heber used Ron’s “attack tech” on me it would not have been appreciated and would not have gone well for him. That is a point a view that I totally understand, especially from people who lived that scenario.

        • Captain MustSavage

          Heber was willing to go on public television and radio and lie his ass off. That immediately undermines any personal integrity he might claim to have.

          What you said about how well he was regarded inside – If that’s the case, then I both feel sorry for what he became and feel chilled that someone so well regarded could be ‘holed’ without any of his many admirers being able to band together to effect his release.

          I’m interested, Anon, you’re someone who comes across and calm and well reasoned. How would you have handled attack dog Heber on public TV?

          • Anonymous

            The thing that usually works best to handle the Scientology PR techniques is to make it abundantly clear that you know what they are, then use one or more of those same techniques in response, but only when telling the actual truth. Only the non-provocative techniques should be used (no screaming or threats.)

            If the conversation is moderated by a third party (like the KFI interview with Dennis Erlich) having an important single point that one wants to make during the conversation, then calmly making that point a dozen times in row using different words, is frequently effective.

            Scientology has two main techniques to achieve its ends (1) lying, followed by (2) bullying.

            The bullying usually begins as soon as the target stops believing the lies.

            Telling the actual truth and not allowing oneself to be bullied, confused or enraged by the deliberate lies and provocations from the Scientology side can be remarkably effective.

            A great example is Marty’s calm response while video recording the LAX ambush. That video now has more than 700,000 views on YouTube alone and most likely several million more on other sites. It needs almost no narration or setup to demonstrate the actual truth about how Scientologists behave in real life toward someone who no longer wants to be involved in the religion.

        • daytoncapri

          You were close enough to know these people. Thanks for the observations. I thought Heber was a strong spokesman, though I didn’t like Scientology at that point,

          • Anonymous

            It is my opinion (and that is all that it is) that Heber was sucked into the vortex of inevitable backlash from the lies that have been told in Scientology and by Scientologists for many decades.

            When I knew him, I believed that his goal was to forward the more positive aspects of Scientology. I also knew that Heber was GO, whatever else he was doing. That alone makes for some bad juju, as that organization was the principle lie factory of Scientology, by design and by practice.

            As I mentioned in a post several days ago, the deeper one wades into a manure pit, the harder it is to climb back out. Heber went all in…by the time things became completely grim, it would have been very, very difficult for him to extricate himself from Scientology.

        • Couch_Incident

          Fuck him. He’s an unindicted co-conspirator as far as I’m concerned.

          Maybe nobody deserves the RPF, but I’ll save my sympathy for the young punks whose ruin was discovered and those born into the cult. Charming, smiling sacks of shit who helped get them there are the last of my concerns.

          • Anonymous

            As mentioned in several related posts, there are going to be many viewpoints of Heber and each is accurate according to the information and experience each person has about (or with) the man.

            There are much bigger villains than Heber in Scientology, both past and present.

            • Couch_Incident

              Anonymous, I respect your opinions and posts over the years, but the line between perpetrator and victim has to be drawn somewhere.

            • Anonymous

              For a great number of people who were (or still are) involved in Scientology, both descriptors are accurate.

              It is in the nature of the organization and its hidden malevolent agendas.

    • shasha40

      For real , this is why I hate CoS with a venom. Destroying peoples lives and breaking up connections that we all need as a community , family, friends , coworkers . Tick, f*going tock , Davey . I’ m trying not to have potty mouth … Fuck you tiny dick ! I couldn’t do it . lol

      • Bob

        Yes, cus words are too good for Dastardly McEvillige.

        • shasha40

          It was having typing diarrhea , it just came out ! Lol

          • Bob

            S–t happens.

            • shasha40

              🙂

        • shasha40

          Thanks , Bob , you are right . Besides , life’s already gotten him ,he is a tiny dick . 🙂

          • Suppressive Tomato

            One consolation is that he will not be procreating.

            • shasha40

              There is a Xenu ! Lo

      • Rasha

        Funny how the language just naturally goes with the subject…..

        • shasha40

          You know ? I don’ t know why we do this to ourselves . I want to spit nails when I hear a new survivors story and ( fill in the blank ) they make me that mad .But Imma be right here when the shit hits the fan . Enjoying my front row seat in the Bunker with one of the most fact checking , integrity having proprietors in the history of journalism , ScoopyO ! 🙂

          • Rasha

            LOL ‘ScoopyO’!!!

            …but, yeah. I think we do it because we see the value of the person without the pretense of ‘World Savior’, and the cherch needs the ‘world savior” mindset without the person.

            • shasha40

              Amen to that . All CoS does is cause harm to my fellow man , and I am my brothers keeper , there but for the grace of whomever, that could’ ve been me .

            • Rasha

              Exactly. Says a lot that what they “save”, has to be salvaged.

            • shasha40

              You just want to scream , ” Scientology will Not help you with that !”

        • Suzy

          I think if the general public were exposed to the insane amount of cussing in Scientology, they would be incredulous about this “Cherch”

          • Rasha

            ..or at least wise to it. Seems to me that — and I am known to use some colorful language at times – verbal excess can be one way of venting frustration/anger/helplessness/etc without actually breaking something.

          • shasha40

            I totally agree. I really am hoping this is a huge turning point . Let the dissemination tsunami begin ! 🙂

    • Thank you Bob.

      In the freezing November in the United Kingdom, Heber was daily thrown into the lake at St. Hill for punishment even though he was in his 70s. This was Miscavige ordered punishment. Read more
      https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/free-heber/

      • Bob

        Karen, I have fond memories of Heber in the wild and wooly days. You reminding us that what this is about is human beings and their value and dignity and how evil tries to destroy this is very valuable and particularly important to us ex clams who got sucked into the Sciebot cold and selfish mentality. I appreciate your humor, irony and persistence in exposing the heinous crimes of Disgusty McEvillige and his Scieborg minions.

  • new post up [some content was there before todays Daily Beast story] http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

    • aegerprimo

      Got more on Greta’s hub? Would LOVE to see more of that.

      • if you notice the negative story on her husband that popped up on google was removed… wouldn’t surprise me if they used Google’s new privacy rules to get rid of as much stuff as possible

    • Mymy88

      Of all people, Greta Van Sesteren? That was the hardest pill of all to swallow. I actually was very upset to learn she was a $cien. I’ve always admired her, but not any more. Oh hell no!

  • Sid

    Scientology seems to spend a lot more money on following and attacking ex-Scientologists than their stated enemy the Psychs.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      They laugh at them but really think they are crazy. I live with one!

  • JackTheGiantKiller

    Tony wrote: “But Miscavige? When was the last time he picked up the cans?”

    Davey boy’s been kicking those cans down the alley like a spoiled brat…a brat who is about to lose his allowance forever.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Davey is a big being. He is beyond the cans. He only holds copper rods.
      Now if we could just get the power company to have an ‘accidental” power surge on demand!!!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I have some thing new to try and envision. Cans must be rectally inserted.

  • sookiesookie

    **RED-X REMINDER**RED-X REMINDER**

    Welcome to all the new Bunkerites who’ve recently joined! Now join the Red-X Brigade and help get fraudulent ads off of Craigslist. Here’s how:

    1)Go here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    2) At the very top left side of the grid click on the Regional List tab.
    3) This gives a screen which includes a ‘Quick Flag’ column at far right.
    4) Hold down the control key whilst clicking down that right hand column
    5) Check eg the last one by opening the tab to check there’s no nasty ‘IP Blocked’ message.
    6) Get rid of the accumulated tabs by right clicking on the ‘master’ tab and then clicking ‘close Tabs to the right’ on the menu.

    This gets rid of everything except the data base on the master tab. Rinse and repeat until the whole column’s been flagged.

    The Regional List with the QuickFlag column is only updated once a day at 5am EST. fresh ads from 12:30pm EST & after are to be found and flagged in the Daily Wip tab.

    Thank you SuKe, Dodo and Aeger Primo for the artwork: (refresh)
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15887765550/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Rasha

    “Justice will overtake fabricators of lies and false witnesses.”

    Heraclitus

    ….just sayin’.

    • April

      But justice sometimes takes her sweet time arriving, though.

      • Rasha

        But we still bring out the good china when she shows up, don’t we? 🙂

        • shasha40

          And we sit here waiting ,patiently … 🙂

          • Rasha

            …because her visit is SO worth it. Do have a scone — I hear she’ll be arriving presently.

            • shasha40

              Thank you , I was getting a little hungry . * waiting patiently with my half eaten scone *

  • Observer

    Okay, here’s another GC-Day shoop. I know it’s a bit wordy but I wanted to get as much in as possible. If you think it would be better served by a shorter version of the quote, or if you have any other advice, please speak up. I am not offended by constructive criticism. Thanks!

    • Rasha

      2 things I’d do. “Why?” would be more prominent, and Lying Red Head‘s quote would be in quotes, to make it clear that HE SAID IT.

      Otherwise…… perfect.

    • Eclipse-girl

      ooh ooh oh –
      wasn’t there a quote about accusing people of crimes that scientology is guilty of?

      Someone just accused me of an Ad Hominem fallacy / attack on People Mag

      • And get one of those head shots where he’s grinning ear to ear or running a tomato plant on an E-meter next to the quote, then you can leave the name out, just LRH.

        • Robert Eckert

          I think Obs is aiming at audiences who won’t recognize a picture of Hubbard or even realize immediately what the initials “LRH” stand for, when Going Clear hits HBO and there are Scilon trolls infesting every comment thread on every pop magazine’s website and somebody has to make the public aware of what they are doing.

          • Then put L. Ron Hubbard in the photo itself(Helvetia font, of course) and LRH on the quote.

            Do I have to do all the evil masterminding/J&D around here by myself?

            I was dreamin’ when I wrote this
            Forgive me if it goes astray
            But when I woke up this mornin’
            Could of sworn it was regging day

            The tent was all purple
            There were people screamin’ everywhere
            Tryin’ to run from the bursary
            You know I didn’t even care

            (Spoken) Say it, say it

            ‘Cause they say two thousand zero zero
            Party over, oops out of time
            So tonight I’m gonna party like it’s 1979

            I was dreamin’ when I wrote this
            So sue me if I go too fast
            But life is just a postulate
            And postulates weren’t meant to last

            Wogs are all around us
            My mind says prepare to fight
            So if I gotta die
            I’m gonna listen to my body tonight

            Yeah, they say two thousand zero zero
            Party over, oops out of time
            So tonight I’m gonna party like it’s 1979
            Yeah, yeah

            Lemme tell ya somethin’
            If you didn’t come to 2-D
            Don’t bother knockin’ on my door
            I got a BT in my pocket
            And baby he’s ready to roar,

            yeah yeah

            Everybody’s got a SP
            We could all drop bodies today, uhh
            But before I’ll let that happen
            I’ll dance my BTs away.

            They say two thousand zero zero
            Party over, oops out of time
            We’re runnin’ outta time
            So tonight, we gonna, we gonna (tonight I’m gonna party like it’s 1979)

            Say it one more time
            Two thousand zero zero
            Party over, oops out of time
            Yeah, yeah
            So tonight we gonna, we gonna (tonight I’m gonna party like it’s 1979)

            1979(1979)
            Don’t ya want to go (1979)
            Don’t ya want to go (1979)
            We could all drop bodies today (1979)
            I don’t want to drop
            I’d rather dance my BT away

            • Mymy88

              I love this! lol

      • Observer

        Yes, the top quote on this:

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I think people just love to use the term “Ad Hominem”.

        I mean lets face it…….where else you going to use that term in a day to day conversation?
        Thank goodness for contentious blogs comments!!!

        • Chee Chalker

          Ad hominem is def a Co$ favorite….. Along with ‘utterly’, ‘glib’ and (everyone’s favorite) ‘insouciant’! They learn 4 or 5 big words and drop them into the conversation, whether or not they make sense

      • Ella Raitch

        elle has no idea what she’s talking about…

        • Eclipse-girl

          I know.

          There is a point where I pity her but I was POed by that accusation.
          She never responded to my “please cite the examples”

          I keep hoping there will be someone who has enough critical thinking skills intact the we can make a difference.

          I had a conversation with Waterhorse about a week ago before they admitted to being a scientologist.
          I suspected it.
          The discourse was polite even at the end.

          • Ella Raitch

            Waterhorse seemed open to communication. Elle seemed out of control at the end there (I’ve been on a PC that has trouble with Disqus so was frustrated not to be able to answer). Her comments to Betty about gay marriage – just, WOW!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I will have to go back and look.
              I admit I try not to get too many conversations mixed up

              I am days older than Davey.
              When it comes to gay marriage, aren’t we all past that shit?
              Let consenting adults marry. Gee whiz. would it kill a person to learn some tolerance of differences?

    • shasha40

      I love it just the way it is . A gut punch using his own words . Priceless ! Bravo , once again , Obs !

    • beauty for ashes

      I’m glad you set DJ Mom Jeans pants on fire.

    • chukicita

      Love the pants-on-fire backdrop. I think you’re right about the wordiness. The whole quote would stand on its own. But it’s important to inform folks who may have never experienced a poster trained in Dev-T. How about a series?

      THE ORIGINAL POSTER IS TRAINED TO LIE TO YOU.
      Why? So you can be ‘handled’ or neutralized as a threat to Scientology.

      BECAUSE TALKING ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY IS THREATENING.

      Scientology teaches that lying isn’t wrong as long as it Keeps Scientology Working.

      Scientologists drill diversionary tactics with the intent of leading a thread astray or at least make it look too confusing or uncomfortable to pursue. Scientology calls this “Dev-T.” Others call it “quashing free speech.”

      If it’s irrelevant or ad hominem, it’s probably Scientology’s diversionary “Dev-T”
      It’s meant to keep you from noticing that the Emperor has no clothes.
      Especially if it contains the words, “I am not a Scientologist, but…”

      Just a couple ideas. Take ’em or leave ’em. And thanks for all you do, Obs.

    • cathy from encino

      I agree with chukicita, this is way too wordy to get anyone’s attention. Keep it short and simple by using a rotating series with a thematic unifier (e.g. same colors/fonts/construction).

      Maybe like this? I’m no designer but this makes its point a lot faster.

  • Rita Gregory

    I am loving all this publicity for Going Clear!

    • Observer

      And it’s not costing HBO a dime!

      • shasha40

        Isn’t it grand ? Where’s ” the face of Scientology ” , where’s Karin Pouw , anyone ? Anyone ? Lol Oh. I forgot ,it’s Chicken of the Board instead of confront and shatter . Thanks for the continued foot bullets , Davey , looking forward to more . Tick ,tock …

        • chukicita

          The “face of Scientology” is busy not turning the other cheek.

  • shasha40

    Going through the thread of today I noticed we have more people coming to visit the Bunker. Welcome all ,it’s addictive here though . Just curious , how many others are never-ins ? It doesn’ t really matter because , exes, on edgers , never-ins , all are welcome here and even though my other family thinks I’m about to join CoS , it gives me great pleasure to let you all know that my hubby is now coming to me to ask , ” what’s going on in the Scientology watching world today” . I think he’s really getting it now . Just had to share . 🙂 Thank you , TonyO . Do we get a special section when you win the Pulitzer or some award for , ” The Unbreakable Miss Lovely ” ? I am So stoked ! 😀

    • Cupcakes for Breakfast

      Thanks shasha! I’m a never- in. Just popped out of the woodwork yesterday after lurking a while. Yes, it’s so addictive here- spent half the day ignoring my laundry pile and laughing like a loon over the comments. What a great community!

      • Rasha

        Welcome, Cupcakes! Yeah, I de-lurked a short while ago, too, and there are some great and creative minds here. Try a haiku or two!

        • Cupcakes for Breakfast

          Hi! Thanks! We will see- I’ll probably stick to baking, but if the margarita hits right and I get inspired. . . Watch out! Lol!

          • Rasha

            Margarita haikus are the best ones!….. Though, baking is pretty awesome, too, so no pressure.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Stick to your baking
            Margaritas down the hatch
            Haikus write themselves

            • Liam

              Nicely done!

      • shasha40

        Omg , wait until it’s live blogging ,new books coming out , panels on the movie . I have no life just trying to keep up ! And yes , it is an awesome community ! Again, welcome ! ( I abuse exclamation point tech ,just putting that out there ) lol.

        • Cupcakes for Breakfast

          Yes, yes, yes! Me too! 🙂

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Welcome. Love the avi and the name.

        • Cupcakes for Breakfast

          Thanks Bury! Its been so nice to meet everyone here. The avi is our sweet boy- love him!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            I love the avi and the name too, Cupcakes!

    • Elegant Mess

      Welcome Sasha and Cupcakes! Fellow never-in here, too. Just fascinated with the subject matter. 🙂

      • shasha40

        That it is . Every time you think they can’t be any more horrible , another person speaks up and let’s you know it can be worse .

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Welcome shasha, I am a never i n also, but lost a dear family member to the Sea Org so it hits home, especially disconnection.

      • shasha40

        *hugs , squeesxes and Love being sent your way ! 🙂

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Thank you, shasha.

          • shasha40

            You are very welcome ! 🙂

  • Walter Mitty

    I feel sleepy — (F5) (I hope the gif works) Edit: sight, should be a moving gif, not working, sorry.

  • Vaquera

    Completely, totally O/T, but what $cio interior designer convinced the Celebrity Center decision-makers that this decor was tasteful? Looks like the love child of Graceland and Versailles.

    http://instagram.com/p/z0tFtLQxGj/

    • aegerprimo

      Over-the-top gaudy is the style of Co$ building interiors.
      I was one of the design team for the Freewinds – before it’s maiden voyage in the late 1980’s (1989?) and all designs were submitted to upper management for approval, David Miscavige having the final say. Explains a lot huh?

      • Vaquera

        I noticed the pianos on the Freewinds are glossy white, too.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I am going with Yamaha’s as a guess.

      • Robert Eckert

        At least they didn’t give final design approval to Kirstie Alley:

        http://www.blogcdn.com/realestate.aol.com/blog/media/2011/09/kirstie-alley-home-16-1315422910.jpg

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Why u make my teeth hurt????????????

          • Robert Eckert

            The picture is almost on the Feshbach level, isn’t it?

        • beauty for ashes

          As I scrolled down I thought “Oh Robert not the ROOOM not the ROOOM, ugh its the …*barfs*

        • Liam

          Makes my eyes burn!

        • Couch_Incident

          At least they’ve done a good job of hiding the mini fridge.

        • Rita Gregory

          WTF? That is the ugliest wallpaper I’ve ever seen. I think the whole room is horrid, but that wallpaper?

        • Zana

          OMG. These surroundings would drive you crazy. Jumpy. Make the brain dance.

      • Chee Chalker

        To paraphrase the great Dolly Parton……..it takes a lot of donated money to look that cheap!

    • Perfect. I Love Graceland meets Versailles! I always think of Kleinedwarfenfurhur’s taste as Early Marcab meets Mafia Wife.

    • Liam

      the trompe l’oeil is ruined by the gaudy guilded frames, and Hubbard’s gaping maw

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Cruise ship/Casino carpet.
        Sayin………….

    • Sibs

      Oh my god, it’s like everything my intro to film professor hates about post-modern films. You steal too much from every style without any reason and it looks atrocious when you put it together.

    • beauty for ashes

      I like the effect of having a sky painted on the ceiling completely ruined by having a chandelier chained from the middle of the “sky”.
      Also like the tone on tone of eighties peach with different shades of gold accents. (with columns!!!!!!!)
      There I that feeling upon entering that it is large room, but so much awkward placement of furniture. It’s confusing. Where do I go?
      Just gives me a bad feeling this room, did somebody die here?

      • Liam

        Hi BFA:)

        • beauty for ashes

          Hey Liam!

        • beauty for ashes

          Hey Liam might be time for a new avi pic? I think I found one for you. f5

          • Liam

            Done:) Thanks, BFA!

            • beauty for ashes

              LMOA I looove it! I’m kind of obsessed with google images. There were some really funny memes on there too, but I figured they’d be lost on an avi. BTW you can call me Beauty. It sometimes gets confusing because we have a BFM too (blue fuzzy monster)

            • Liam

              Thanks, Beauty! Feel free to take credit for the image, I was kind of waiting for something, and you nailed it!

            • beauty for ashes

              It’s all yours and I won’t be offended if you change it. 🙂

    • Rita Gregory

      Is this the room they held Liberace’s wake in? Oh, wait…

    • Ella Raitch

      Is that a document shredder under the piano?

  • nottrue

    Stay away from these guys….reviews are terrible

    • Observer

      Yikes. At least they’re upfront about it.

      • SNAFU

        Yikes is right. The company’s Facebook page quotes Grant Cardone ad nauseam

        https://www.facebook.com/apgcareer

        • Liam

          Cardone, the ultimate asshat

        • Rasha

          I am willing to steal something
          FROM A MOTIVATIONAL POSTER
          That I have no intention of
          EVEN READING
          Because I am
          AN ASSHAT
          With
          LOTS OF MONEY

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Oh right………..perhaps he should look in the mirror to see what it “is” he has become.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Yeah, this one’s a beaut::
          http://cdn.empowernetwork.com/user_images/post/2014/08/21/c/da/f803/540x293_20140821_cdaf803cdb1bc1d4ac1c2a7b41999927_jpg.jpg

          In response to the question, “Would you like to take our free stress/personality test?”

          The No-decision: “Uh… maybe I’ll get back to you later… ”
          The Decision: “Yes”

          Can we all agree on which will result in more “draining”?
          HA!

          • Zana

            OMG. His quotes are really banal. And shallow.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              And these clams eat it up, incredible!

            • Zana

              Yes… because they can’t think for themselves. They keep looking for someone outside of them to give them their life values. Grant Cardone? It gives me the creeps. LOL.

        • April

          Is he saying that he set out in the CO$ to become a giant douche bag?!

        • kemist

          I have the Ideal Book Title for him to publish these deepities in :

          The Zen of Douchenozzleness

          • aegerprimo

            That is an oxymoron.

        • Frodis73

          Check out these reviews about working for the co. So obviously written by sci’s.
          https://www.facebook.com/apgcareer?sk=reviews

          • Mymy88

            Thanks but no thanks. I’d like to keep my dinner down.

        • Mymy88

          Oh. My. Fucking. Dog. Their foul slime oozes through cracks and crannies of everything, everywhere. All you have to do is take a closer look with a telescope that has a resolution equivalent to the HUBBLE SPACE TELESCOPE, either that; or with the assistance of people here at the Underground Bunker. Whichever is easier for you.

        • Zana

          What a stupid quote. It doesn’t even make sense. It’s planted in the skies like it’s supposed to be inspiring. What the f*%k does it mean? That he’s suggesting we step in front of an on-coming truck so that we can ….???…. Ahhhhh… perhaps he is suggesting that people give up their lives and join the Sea Org. It’s a stupid quote.

    • Rasha

      “P.S. That part about “high tolerance for all types of people”? Yeah, not really a deal breaker.”

      • Cupcakes for Breakfast

        I think that’s code for “you will be surrounded by assholes?”

        • Rasha

          Exactly. Plus, “must tolerate wogs. Just for show, anyway”

    • Juicer77

      Pay is $47.50 per week if we feel like it. Make sure you apply the Hubbard Tech properly, if it works at all we will know you’re a fraud.

    • Rasha

      Coupla points, here.

      be able to understand and predict staff behavior and performance.” ….. ummmmm. Reaching a bit…

      As well as, assisting in building the entire Organization.” … Sentence structure – FLUNK. Caps Tech – FLUNK. …and wait, the Personnel Director has to BUILD THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION??? That explains why the company doesn’t have it’s own email addresses.

      Tell ya what, there’s a theater down the road that has a brighter future, in the not too distant future….

      • Suzy

        Where are all the semi-colons?

    • wait, is this for a utility provider??? if so, they have to comply with the public utility commission rules/regulations…..meaning they could NOT promote hubbardnese…..they’d have to be equal opportunity employers and could not promote their religious views…..

      if this isn’t a utility provider, then why in the hell did they name it that??

      ETA: I saw the FB link before, they ARE an energy supply company….oh hell no!!! they’re getting reported for this shit!!!

      • Frodis73

        They are an energy company of some kind in FL. Def have clams working there….I bet they are shady f*ck!

        • I just sent a query to the Federal Energy Regulation Commission as to what form I should fill out to complain about them. I’ll post tomorrow (or whatever day I get a reply).

          Here are the Florida Commission members—-contact ’em if y’all are so inclined!! This place needs reported and investigated!! http://www.naruc.org/Commissions/default.cfm?s=fl

          It’s bedtime (almost)….I’ll look up more places to contact tomorrow. Of course the Attorney General would be a good one, but you can’t do that in Florida because she’s a clam lover!!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        No. they are not a utility provider,….. but a shitty ass BULLSHIT broker.
        They are a sham organization that says they will reduce rates, blah blah blah.
        I actually work for a genuine Electric provider in Florida.

        All these twats will/can do….Is point you to the local provider.
        Bullshit is bullshit.
        it is nothing but a telemarketing scam based on geographical boundaries of service for the utilities that serve that area.
        They are NOT an energy provider.
        I can get you a list of every Municipal, Cooperative and Invester owned energy provider in the state.
        Bullshit story is bullshit.

        • Brokers are STILL regulated—they have to comply with regulations, etc. I know the brokers in Ohio are regulated.

          BUT if they are misleading people like that, doing a telemarketing scam, etc that is also perpetuating a fraud—total sham business, etc. Of course the Florida AG is in their pocket…..there has to be a place to report them too…..

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Ok, I mis-spoke.
            Broker is the wrong term.
            Jobber is more the correct term.

            But this is still total bullshit……..I gotta tell you, these guys are not alone in Florida.
            I work for an Electric Cooperative who is not regulated by the State PUC in the same manner as most utilities. It has to do with us getting loans from the USDA……..blah, blah.
            But here nor there………….WE still comply with the PUC rules for the state.

            It is just cleaner and easier in the long run to do so.
            But there is a LOT of room for crooks and bullshit in between.
            I hate to say it…. but PUC regulation is very similar to the IRS.
            By that, I mean it can be manipulated by the various organizations and how they “register’ their businesses.

            But this is a straight up telemarketing SCAM.

            • somewhere along the line they’ll mess up….i wish we could report them to someone now though…….can they discriminate against non-hubbard employees legally? there’s gotta be SOMETHING—gah!! i get frustrated and would love to be able to appropriately report any/all misdeeds AND HAVE THEM ACTED ON!!!! (i’m also cranky n pain today and gee, skittles has started yelling at me cuz it’s bedtime—i love typing and she starts ‘get out of that chair bitch it’s bedtime and i sleep there’….)….

              i know you can understand to such frustration cuz yes, it’s BULLSHIT!!! alright skittles is not shutting the fuck up….i need to shut off the computer, evacuate this room so she can have the chair and go to bed! 🙂

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              OMG. It pisses me off beyond belief. You get some rest and take some alleive (or something good).
              But this is JUST THE THING that is just outside of control by ANYONE in the State or Federal government.It is SO FRUSTRATING. Because this is what happens when there is a little hole in the law.
              GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

            • BEYOND frustrating….they skirt the edges like this on purpose….EVENTUALLY it will catch up to them—-unfortunately though it’s already left too large a trail of broken people, families and lives lost 🙁

            • Couch_Incident

              A USDA Rural Electric Coop in your neck of the woods? I’m shocked FP&L hasn’t shut you down/forced you out of business (my firm sells FP&L/NextEra big power plant equipment and I’ve sat at the negotiating table with them several times).

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I am sorry about your luck. FPL is ..er…interesting.
              Oh, dude, You and I could tell stories. Know Michael Yakira? He is the CEO for the place I used to work…way out west ;-)………hahaha.
              Sounds like musical chairs? YEP.
              You and I could probably share some great war stories.

              SECO.

            • Couch_Incident

              FP&L is right behind GE in my domestic list of shits. That said, my experiences with the Spanish EPCs have been worse.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oh hahaha. It is a tough world.
              No comment on G.E. (publicly)

              FPL is the “Walmart” of utilities.

              Come see me in ‘Sumterville’ sometime.
              I will buy you lunch.
              😉

            • Couch_Incident

              Maybe PowerGen in Orlando (think it might be Vegas this year).

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Cool. Will Google the dates.
              You are more Gen????
              You know a guy named Daud in Laguna Beach?

            • Couch_Incident

              I play lawyer for a company that makes the equipment for the back end of combined cycle plants (you’ll understand). Although I’m technically in our “Sales” department, I usually don’t get to go to the drunken PowerGen sprees. My only joy is overseas trips (Schnectady, etc. just doesn’t do it for me).

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I play lawyer too.
              I am the supply chain wonk who has to negotiate all redlines before sending it to the final legal graveyard.
              My husband helped build Valmy on GEN in Nevada.
              So we got some sympathy pains…………haha.
              I have sit around too many of those tables.
              Too funny to find someone who understands the pain here on the bunker. HA.

            • Couch_Incident

              Another reason (among many) to like you BTN!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ditto……….who the hell knew………..? Right?

            • Couch_Incident

              Don’t know Yackira personally, but I’ve heard stories. I’m negotiating something with NV Energy now.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You need to ping me offline. I am well aware of the players there.
              I used to be one 😉

          • Mymy88

            Be careful there Miss Tia. It sounds to me like you might be attempting to pull a Leah Remini… reporting shenaniganers to a shenaniganer already in cahoots with the shenaniganers. I read that Leah reported the Tommy Davis “you have no rank to ask that fucking question” incident, that took place at Tom Cruise’s wedding to Katie Holmes in Italy, in a knowledge report to David Miscavige, that included other sour notes of the day. But I’m kidding. I know you know how to handle these things.

            Edit:
            Eeeeek! It’s so weird to catch myself saying a regular word I use all the time and then it hits me that it may be considered very bad taste to use a regular word that has a whole other dimension of meaning added to by $ciens. So I shall rephrase… “I know you know how to take care of these things”. Yes, that’s better. Whew, this takes some getting used to.

            • I’d rather report things, even if they are those who are in cahoot with the shenaniganers than remain silent….at least i have spoken out and TRIED, ya know??

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Bullshit much? 😉

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Kicks U right in the Butt Plug!!!!

        • RMycroft

          Sounds like the scam artists around here, with a company name that changes every six months, who show up at the door with company badges, very strongly implying that they’re connected with a main utility company, saying that that have to inspect the furnace/water heater and need to see your bill. (If they were connected with the utility, why would they need to see the bill?) Their thing is that once they’re in the door, they try to sell you a scam deal that locks you (and future owners of the house) into a long long bad contract, and they’re as hard to get rid of as those 11pm Scientology regs.

          So far, no one has tried the shoe in the door trick when I say “No thanks” and close the door in their face. It’s probably my smile of anticipation that throws them off. (Or the five steps behind them.)

          • Frodis73

            Yea, those guys can get pretty aggressive about trying to get in if you are not forceful. I really dislike them.

        • Chee Chalker

          So what do they sell?

  • BFM

    I really hope “Stairway to heaven” by Louis Theroux will come out in 2015 as well. That will keep the momentum going. It will be interesting to see what “arguments” the Cult will raise against his film. Theroux is known to engulf his audience in the subject he is investigating, without any filmmaker bias (real, or perceived). He has a distinctively different style to tell his stories, but I expect his film to be equally powerful as Gibney’s Going Clear.

    • Eclipse-girl

      there is a Danish documentary and Mark Bunker’s film, too

      • BFM

        2015 seems like a whole year of x-mas! The cult can’t keep up with all of this and add to that the ongoing lawsuits and the ones still pending to be filed (thinking Leah R)… I can’t see the cult coming out of 2015 alive.

      • Frodis73

        Isn’t there a German doc about all the odd deaths around scientology too? I think there was a film crew that recently tried to talk to CWPD about Vickie’s son…that seems to ring a bell.

        • Eclipse-girl

          It is one I was not aware of.
          But if it comes out, yippee

          There are a large number of unusual deaths surrounding scientology.

    • Mymy88

      It would not surprise me in the least, if Theroux’s film turns out to be equally as powerful as Gibney’s. I would be surprised if it isn’t. I have heard a lot of talk that Theroux’s documentary may prove out he had allowed himself to be fooled by many of $cien’s lies, but I don’t believe that.

      • BFM

        Hahaha, I laugh at those who think Louis is a guy who is easily fooled. Certainly not by the oh-so-transparent lies of the cult. Yeah. he might choose to play along and be “observer and documenter”. But his films (I have seen a couple) have a tendency to give the perpetrators of atrocities enough rope to hang themselves without any judgment by himself.

        • romanesco

          Let the footbullets fly!

    • The Louis Theroux BBC documentary is wrapping up. Coming soon on the heels of Going Clear. It is in final wrap up stages. Hurray !

      • BFM

        Awesome news Karen! Going Clear and Stairway to Heaven airing back to back would be max exposure of this criminal organization! Oh and, I think you and Jeff both are awesome too. Thanks for all the work you guys do. Much appreciated, and has a lot of impact (UTRS watch your clips — confessed to me in utmost secrecy). The 50K members of the Co$ isn’t even accurate if you deduct the numbers of UTRS, (an underestimated group regarding their size) who really are NOT with DM’s program, but are re-arranging their lives to take the big plunge.
        Your work as well as of others is invaluable.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    I guess I waited too long to watch Karen’s video 🙁

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      someone posted it down thread,maybe that will work.trouble with it earlier too.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        thx

    • kemist

      It is back on for me now.

  • Vaquera

    Apologies if this has already been posted and discussed…Tony quoted in the Hollywood Reporter:

    ‘Going Clear’ Filmmakers on How Scientology Sees Tom Cruise as “Useless,” Uses John Travolta’s Plane

    “Sea Org [a wing of the church] members in particular think of celebrities as useless — they don’t have a lot of respect for them,” said journalist Tony Ortega, who is interviewed in the doc, at a press luncheon on Wednesday at HBO’s New York headquarters. “In fact, when Cruise got that medal and [church leader David] Miscavige stood up and called him ‘the best Scientologist I know,’ I’ve talked to several former Sea Org members that were in that audience that night who said it was like a slap in the face. Because these people work 17 hours a day, they completely give up any relationship with outside family — they are hard-core. And they think of the celebrities as ornaments. They don’t take them very seriously. So when Miscavige started taking celebrities more seriously, that was actually controversial inside the church.”

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/going-clear-scientology-doc-hbo-779239

    • Observer

      That’s gonna stir up the hornets’ nest.

    • Sibs

      Not gonna lie, it makes me verrrrrrrrrry very excited to see this sort of article in THR. It means the entertainment industry executives are paying more attention to the abuses in the cult, not just the space-alien Xenu stuff. If neither John Travolta nor Tom Cruise lift their head from the sand, maybe their deteriorating reputations within Hollywood will get them to wake up.

      Also exciting that they gave Tony some extended quotes.

      I’m sorry if someone’s said all this already. I only just got back and haven’t scrolled down yet.

      • BFM

        Repeating good news is never redundant :)!

    • Vaquera

      Tony, again:

      As for what’s next, “Public opinion will have an effect on the government doing something or not,” Ortega predicted. “Scientology is also going through an internal crisis, and it continues to, and I think this film will exacerbate that as well. I have my own personal theory: I think the IRS is biding its time till when it sees the church is weak enough, and it’s gonna step in and do something. I think there are people at the IRS that are embarrassed by what happened in the ’90s [when the IRS granted the church tax-exempt status after years of court battles].”

      • Allie

        Tony is so wise and knowledgable. I love his personal theory about the IRS. Let’s hope this happens and the IRS takes some action.

      • Zana

        Tony is absolutely brilliant. Unstoppable. Heroic.

    • Sibs

      Oh, and I also have to add, the reason I landed at the Bunker for the first time was because Hollywood Reporter quoted Tony a lot when it came to Leah Remini leaving and the articles I subsequently found about Paul Haggis and Lawrence Wright’s book. So… yeah. Hello, new readers!

      • Mymy88

        Yes me too. I ended up at the Bunker when I saw that Dancing with the Stars clip, where Leah was saying the church wanted her to fail. I was like WTH? I’ve got to find out more. That was a few months ago. It feels like years though. I guess it’s just one of those rabbit hole time warm anomalies.

        • Zana

          You are right on time. Welcome. This is the exciting part.

      • Zana

        Welcome!! Glad you’re here. This is the front row to the most fantastic show in town.

        • Sibs

          Oh, no, I’ve been hanging around for a year and a half now. But I appreciate the welcome!

    • Lurkness

      3. 2. 1…. And statement from Chult (they are all liars) sent to THR and posted to article at the end.

  • Facebook has a feature called “Suggested Pages,” which showed, just a few minutes ago, advertising from Scientology Inc’s Freedom magazine and their coverage (i.e. slander) of Alex Gibney. I believe FB indicated that Freedom is a “paid advertiser,” so I clicked the little “x” in the upper right-hand corner of that ad and got rid of it. A ‘paid advertiser”? A tax-exempt “church”? If I’m not mistaken, you and I are supplementing financially what Scientology, Inc. is up to, and they are attempting to smear Gibney, the director of HBO Films documentary, Going Clear.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      We taxpayers have been subsidizing these crooks since 1993.

      WE DON’T WIN……….until that damn exemption is REVOKED.
      Rant over…….kinda…………

      • BFM

        I was outraged to hear the FBI is investigating (cross-boarders) the FIFA on request of the IRS for tax-fraud….AND NOT DO A DAMN THING ABOUT THE CULTS BILLIONS…. rant continues in my head… ugh!

    • Allie

      I just posted above that I got this on my tablet a few minutes ago. Now all my FB friends will see first-hand why I think Scientology is so disgusting and they will too. More watchers for the documentary.

  • Rasha

    warm bunker welcome
    come and watch the $ci sunset
    there will be popcorn

    • Liam

      Awesome haiku, Rasha:)

  • anoni81b4u

    Anyone else notice that the Freedom magazine ads slamming rinder.. rathbun ect have been removed sense being reported yesterday on the show.
    ALL FREEDUMB MAG ADDS ON GOOGLE are kaput …. … lol too late stupidtology

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Interesting. I just googled Mike Rinder.
      Refresh for results.

      Edit: I googled a bunch of folks. Ad’s down.
      Odd.

      ….This is NOT from the playbook!!!!

      • kemist

        Perhaps google dumped them ?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I won’t hold my breath….but nice thought.

        • Frodis73

          Wouldn’t that be great? I bet they only bought so much time…thinking first round would work. Lol.

          • Mymy88

            I hope Google dumped them because I’ve been on a semi-Google dump myself since they dropped their ads here at the Bunker. Google is the best imho. No one compares, damnit!

        • Ella Raitch

          Especially after Gibney and Wright have been vocal about them?

          • kemist

            Exactly my thinking.

      • kemist

        Curious…

        Same thing for Marty Rathbun.

        Something is happening all right.

      • Stantheman

        Just checked as well still no ads. Maybe they didn’t pay the bill. Bet they got hammered with fees.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        SP’s Rule.

      • romanesco

        Weak attempt at making a liar out of Gibney? “Google ads? What Google ads?”

        • One Human

          I get a strong reading on that statement.

    • BFM

      The interwebz truly have perfect memory 🙂 The clams just don’t realize that.

    • i’m sure they’ll be back before 2pm tomorrow!!

    • sookiesookie

      They’re back. Yuck.

  • Rasha

    G’night, all. Fun as always!

  • Sydjazz

    Where are you davey? Tucked away somewhere with your billions?

    • BFM

      Wired himself with some extra thick copper-rods:) Meanwhile he is crapping 50 shades in his pants.

      • Sydjazz

        Lol. Is that code?

        • BFM

          code?… not sure what u mean.

          • Sydjazz

            Copper rods. Sorry was just me imagining he had them planted somewhere lol

            • BFM

              Hahah, no that was a reference to how he gets “rid” of his mental charge. All mortal sheeple get high priced counseling. Miscavige allegedly has copper wires running from his office space to the ground to discharge him. Ikr… totally looney.

            • Sydjazz

              buahaha will the copper rods tech be ot9?

            • BFM

              The only option he has left to fabricate OT IX and X. LOL, imagine all them deluded ones hooking up on copper wires.

      • Science Doc

        5’1″ Shades of Miscavige.

  • Sydjazz

    I wish this game got made 🙁

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GqE89qKsYSg

    • Rasha

      Floating Cereal Boxes!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!

  • BFM

    John Alex Wood is such a moron.

    Some one tweeted:
    “My Grandma thinks everyone in Hollywood is a Scientologist”

    John starts re-tweeting that! Completely missing the point. LMFAO.

    Does the cult really expect to win on twitter with such knuckle heads?

    • MaxSpaceman

      John Alex Wood tweets
      Everyone in Hollywood’s
      Scientologist

      • BFM

        He is totally loosing it now. Hahah, I even feel sorry for him. Tons of critics and just him and two other bots as back up.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Is that guy on some kind of “social media” amends project.
          cuz he is making me loose my lunch on my twitter feed.
          I may have to bounce him.
          The humor has turned into pathos.

          • BFM

            I think he has been selected to do this by OSA. The screening would make him perfect because he is a total drone. They don’t ever put anyone on such a platform who has any intelligence left in them. They might start to wonder after seeing all the opposition and sensible and recognizable comments.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yep.

      • Suppressive Tomato

        I dont know who
        This John Alex Woods is
        Guess i went clear

        • MaxSpaceman

          You don’t know who’s who
          John Alex Wood’s hypnotized
          You have gone Oat Tea

  • Wyatt K

    I am glad Karen is not letting it get under her skin,,,,,

  • aquaclara

    1639 comments to catch up on…*sigh*…

    Tony, you are quoted in one of the day’s top stories in the Philadelphia Inquirer (Philly.com), posted a few hours ago. It’s about Will Smith not being a Scientologist. On a tablet and can’t add a link-sorry.

    This just might be the biggest mention of Scientology ( or not Scientology) in Philly ever.

  • Bob Gravlin

    Just to say Hi Tony. Keep up the good work. I had lost my password for awhile.

  • Lady Squash

    Karen, thank you for sharing those details. As a Scientologists back in the day, I remember feeling that as a representative of my Church, Heber’s aggressive interview style was a turn off. Now it makes sense and I am so sorry he suffered like that. I dislikes like bullies and the harm they cause. Miscavage is a nasty piece of work. So sorry. And all those years in the hole. Just unbelievable.

  • Liam

    Jeesh, allmost 2K comments!

    • Eclipse-girl

      It happens often, these days.

      • Ben Franklin

        What used to be the average number of comments on a weekly basis?

        • Liam

          Back in the vv day, 50

          • Ben Franklin

            Nowadays there roughly 50-100 comments within an hour

            • Liam

              That’s better by an order of magnitude!

            • Liam

              of, not or

            • MaxSpaceman

              I knew it. You had to be Neeson. Quite the actor, you.

            • Ben Franklin

              I remember just before Going Clear was screened at Sundance, the comments section on this site was on fire. It was very hard to keep up with all the comments that day

            • Eclipse-girl

              It was very similar to live blogging court days

            • Science Doc

              Wait for the next court live blog. 3000?

            • Eclipse-girl

              Unless Tony splits into a two fer for that day.

            • Chee Chalker

              Not bad for us 40 posters! who use several different avatars……(if you believe the OSA trollers who pop up occasionallyoccasionally)

            • Jenstnick

              There’s 70 of us! Hello!

            • Chee Chalker

              Oh that’s right! How could I be so silly. Now I have to think of 20+ different postings to get our numbers up to 2000 today

            • Jenstnick

              Exactly. Big Pharma doesn’t pay us the big bucks for nothing!

            • Liam

              I was thinking 4000, but I’m a perpetual optimist:)

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Are we talkin the bunker? Or VV?

          • Liam

            Hi BTN

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Hi there Partner!

              edit;;; you realize we are starting to have vulcan mind melds?

            • Liam

              Always good to see ya!

            • Liam

              Yeah, i know BTN:) It’s been fun!

          • Ben Franklin

            Bunker and VV

        • outraged

          300-800 per post was average, I think.

          The comments started spiking with The Movie release.

          • Liam

            Back in the day, when Tony started his blog, the comments were maybe 30 at first

            • outraged

              someone could make a book out of the Bunker comments now.

              The Bunkered Down

            • Eclipse-girl

              I wanted a collection of photos when Sunny Sands was taking tent Photos back in Oct . Nov of 2104.
              I want the Observer’s Shoops in a book. I would settle for the just the Ron series.
              I liked Pan’s recent alphabet series.
              Guest (cars) has also been doing a series.

              My humble apologies for not mentioning ALL of the excellent shoopers out there. You make this place great

              You are asking for a multi – volume printing

            • Chee Chalker

              And Baby’s paintings….. I am particular to the flower themed ones..

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am human and I forget.
              baby’s painting’s, posters about leaving, your doubts are valid etc.

            • sumertin

              yeah i remember when breaking 100 at the village voice was kinda special. i think we need to shoot for 1,000,000,000 a day to match those darn sea org contracts.

            • Ella Raitch

              Hey – look at you, handsome devil. You have a picture!

            • Liam

              Thanks to Beauty, she proposed the pic!

            • Ella Raitch

              And four articles a week, or so? (That was in 2011)

            • Liam

              Back then, we didn’t know. It wasn’t a daily thing. But Tony would surprise us sometimes:)

            • Ella Raitch

              And we had Livefyre!

            • Liam

              And it never worked:) I can’t stop laughing about those comment sections crashing, cursing livefyre!

            • Spackle Motion

              Oh god…I forgot about that nightmare.

            • And we thought we hated Disqus.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I would say it was closer to 800 before the release of Going Clear.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Yep, 2 thousand posts
        It happens often these days
        Bunker’s on a roll

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      In the Bunker, post Sundance, we call that “Wednesday”

      • Liam

        Hi Hingle! Late nite:)

        • Hingle McCringleberry

          Hi Liam. Every damn day. We’ll keep the torch burning until all of these souls find their way home. I hate that people sign billion year bondage forms to ensure that DM gets fresh lobster flown in when people in every country go without something basic. This is evil, and if such genuine self sacrifices were put to actual assistance of our fellow man, what a world it would be. Say the Sea Org is only 2500 people, living like they do. Imagine if those 2500 were trained, well equipped, and sent to places where people are suffering. Strip down the 35 million dollars of ONE Ideal org and send the funds with them to Bangladesh, or South Sudan, or Guatemala, or Timor. . . Think of the resources squandered on IAS trophies and what that could do in West Africa against ebola. Or setting up stable economies in Iraq or Syria so that ISIS isn’t a solution to poverty. . .

          That’s my weekly rant. Nice to see you, I’m going to bed,

  • Ruh roh. Miscavige must be prepping his best regges for action, his biggest whale just got a whole lot bigger . . .
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/05/us-pharmacyclics-m-a-abbvie-idUSKBN0M109920150305

    • romanesco

      Big pharma funding. Hypocrisy? What hypocrisy?

    • Panopea Abrupta

      May they choke on their rice and beans,
      THE IRONY BURNS.

  • Allie

    I’m really mad!!! I just got home after a great evening with friends & fired up my tablet to check Facebook & read the Bunker. The first FB entry was the post from Freedom Media & Ethics.
    “Which Alex Gibney #GoingClear source’s BOGUS CLAIM was tossed out of court and 42K?”
    Includes photos of Marc & Claire Headley and the article is titled Marc Headley: The Soulless Sellout.
    Totally disgusting smear! Damn them. Has anyone else got this? I don’t usually check the Bunker from my tablet so I wonder if this is just a coincidence or something spooky. Maybe this is their next assault.

    • Mymy88

      Well, maybe you should not be too worried because I get the feeling that the knowledge of how down and dirty $cien plays, when it comes to bald face lying and twisting the truth, is spreading like wild fire all over the US.

      • Zana

        Yes. I agree. We get to just keep making it more and more public. And there will be more and more people shocked and then laughing at Co$ and then watching Going Clear. Co$ will take itself down faster than we or HBO alone could ever do.

        It’s a lot of their stupid actions back-firing that has led HBO to postpone the TV airing and put the film in theaters so that it can be up for an Academy Award next year. It’s the Gang Who Couldn’t Shoot Straight. They are exposing themselves to the whole world now.

        • Mymy88

          Go ahead. Ask me. I dare ya. Ask me if I’m loving every single minute. Nah, I’ll just go ahead and tell you. Yes. Yes multiplied by infinity and beyond.

    • romanesco

      Share if you like….

      • Eclipse-girl

        NO. Tony will delete the video.

        • romanesco

          Huh? What video?

          • Eclipse-girl

            I did not refresh.
            I did not see the tweet.

            I was referring to the video that Allie saw advertised.

            • romanesco

              OIC

    • Zana

      They are just proving what Going Clear has been talking about…their Fair Game policy. Let’s just keep exposing it for what it is. And laughing at their bloody feet. !! Tell the true story about how that went down with the Headleys. They brought it up… we can share ALL the facts. They will just torque themselves into the ground even more.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Speaking of Marc Headley, why do they distort his photo, stretching his face to make him look like a monster on their spamming tweets? Is this supposed to enhance their narrative or add legitimacy their “journalistic expose”? Everything they’ve done just comes off as so juvenile and pathetic.

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      They trash everyone from any angle they can. Ironically, they probably forget to remember that Marc Headley designed the A/V systems that get installed in every Ideal Org and saved them millions in material and engineering costs on every system they turn out. . .

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I’m sure this has been posted a lot but in case someone is just checking in: The New York Going Clear tix are on sale now! WooHoo!!!
    http://www.filmlinc.com/films/on-sale/going-clear

  • Mymy88

    Off Topic. Holy cow!

    I hope what I’m about to do is okay. If not, I promise I will delete it immediately. I just happened to come across this while looking at Disqus just now, and whoa… Tory Christman is just so awesome. It did not seem that many people saw it so I am going to repost it here. Actually it is two separate back-to-back posts she did. I’ll put them both here:

    First post:
    Tory Christman Anonymous • 9 hours ago
    I knew Danny for years…I taught him when he was in 6th grade, to give you an example.
    I like Danny—and I’m sorry to hear him sounding like such a “tool” for “dave”.
    “Masterson: “You will not find a Scientologist who does
    not fucking hate psychiatrists. Because their solution for mental and
    spiritual problems is drugs…Scientology handles those things, those
    mental problems that people have. It gets rid of them. It gets rid of
    them by that person doing it for themselves. That’s the solution to
    depression.”

    *Danny*
    I KNOW You’re reading this. I also know now 12 (NOT 1, 2 or even
    3…not 4 or 5 or 6….i knew 4 kids who had killed themselves, people
    YOU KNOW AND I KNOW YOU KNEW THEM! Now I know 12 young $cientologists
    who have taken their own lives.

    I get it C of $ pitches how bad psychs are….just by your very words. I ask you:
    Have you EVER even talked to a psychiatrist? Doubtful, except “CCHR” Bullshit.

    I never totally bought $cientology’s anti-psychiatry crap as they tried
    to run it on me, and I ask you: YOU Have a Grand Mal Seizure (Or 10)
    and then come tell me if you’d take my medication or not. My medication
    has *nothing* to do with psychiatry, but man, $cientologists used to run
    it on me: ALL THE TIME, so I know the feeling. What IF someone needs
    help?

    IF someone needs some help, other that $cientology which obviously was NOT working
    for them? I say find help…..where ever it may be. (And spare me the pitch about how
    psychs will just put them on “drugs”. That SHIT was run on me…..for medicine I took for
    Epilepsy! Dr Denk, L Ron Hubbard’s Doctor, wrote to Flag to tell them my medication is NOT
    a “psych drug” nor a mind altering drug and I should be allowed to get auditing.

    The morons at Flag STILL tried to refuse me auditing….so I took them ALL On.
    I got the ENTIRE FLAG LAND BASE TECH TEAM corrected on the BS MU’s they had
    on medication, and The Snr C/S Int called to say “Tory has a FULL OK to do OT 4-8!”
    He WROTE a Senior C/S Int bulliton on medication and how IF someone *needs* medication
    and has tried alternatives, and their Doctor says they need it, the person should be allowed
    to take their medication AND get auditing”.

    Since
    I now know 12 people …young people…$cientologists in their 20’s who
    have shot themselves (and you know him, too), jumped out of a 15 story
    window of M.I.T. ON L Ron Hubbard’s b-day (and you do, too), and 10
    others who are D E A D…I ask you: Who the FUCK are you to tell anyone
    what medication or therapy they should or should not get?

    WTFU
    Danny, please. They are USING you. Are you really proud to be a
    spokesperson for an organization that breaks up families (lots of
    them—Harold won’t talk to me, dear, so I speak from experience), uses
    Fair game, stops Free speech (I DARE YOU TO COME TALK WITH ME…You know
    where I live) and drives people to suicide? REALLY? THIS IS WHY YOU
    JOINED SCIENTOLOGY? Look, learn *both* sides…find out why SO many
    people have left.

    Just because JT and TC are staying “in” does not mean you have to, also. You can still
    Think,
    if you want to. Try it…..you can always crawl back to $cientology and
    hide, but that’s really not your style, is it? My best to all,
    Tory/Magoo (Ps: Swing by ToryMagoo44 on YouTube, for starters and keep
    reading Tony’s site!)

    ************ BELOW IS SECOND POST *******************************************

    Tory Christman • 9 hours ago
    PS: Danny (or any lurkers)…I know OSA, too: They’ll try to pitch:
    “See? She should not have been allowed on OT 4-7….look at her,
    she’s a Declared SP”.

    Ok, you want to run that? Then
    1) GIVE ME BACK MY FUCKING $$$ Your “church” TOOK, over $100,000~
    2) It PROVES your “tech” does NOT work. There are hundreds if not
    thousands of $cientologists now “declared SP”. Well, IF your ‘tech” worked,
    you honestly can say you all MISSED ALL OF US? Come on, Danny,
    WTFU! I’m a Flag trained and Interned Security Checker. The truth is….
    well, you’ll have to go LOOK and learn the truth. It’s NOT within C of $.

    ************ END OF TORY’S POSTS ************************************

    • Ella Raitch

      Holy cow indeed – and …er…hi, Danny, and welcome!

    • I’ll be tweeting this to him as well!

    • Zana

      Thank you for sharing this! I didn’t get to see it in all of today’s wonderful posts.

    • Frodis73

      Thanks for posting. Danny is reading Tony? Wow. Welcome…please do the right thing and be on the right side of history and human rights. Imagine the hero you will be and the great press you will get. We want all sci’s to be free, truly free, we are not the bad guys they are telling you we are.

      • Tory thinks so. I hope she is right. Lush tweeted him.

  • Scientology is now trying to hide LRH death Event from the Youtube/Internet.
    New post from Jeffrey Augustine with the link to the video on Vimeo:

    “Scientology Cult Leader David Miscavige Seeks to Hide His Lies About the Death of Founder L. Ron Hubbard”
    http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2015/03/05/scientology-cult-leader-david-miscavige-seeks-to-hide-his-lies-about-the-death-of-l-ron-hubbard/

    https://vimeo.com/12375370

    • beauty for ashes

      I just can’t Imagine why that video is that important, since it was widely disseminated after his death. Isn’t that theory that Ron dropped the body widely acknowledged?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I’m thinking that the average person watching the “Going Clear” would never have seen it before, but may be motivated to search for it on YouTube after they do. IDK

      • Actually, that video was always “hush hush”/limited viewing to the point when they tried to collect all the existing VHS copies from the orgs. And then the Internet happened.

        • beauty for ashes

          Oh, because the COS literature on Jeffrey’s site said that copies went out to every org within 48 hours etc etc. I guess they changed their minds! Yeah Internet! Now its gonna be everywhere!

          • Interestingly, it was on Youtube for a while, two years at least, but now all of a sudden it’s gone. And yeah, it’s not gonna go away.

            • beauty for ashes

              Okay I think I did this right it’s part two! If not Dodo I might need some help!
              Death of LRH Part II from Little Doubt on Vimeo.

            • Yeah, I see it, Beauty.

            • beauty for ashes

              There is more, but it takes up too much space, so sign on to Vimeo if you want to see up to part 5.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I wonder if this video is included in “Going Clear” and if that may have something to do with them asking to have it removed from YouTube.

      Is “causitively drop the body” a CO$ term? What does it mean exactly?

      • April

        That LRH intentionally died so that he could go on doing research elsewhere in the galaxy that can only be done without a body; you see, he’d already done everything he could do with a physical body.

        The fact that LRH died a miserable death, psychotic and tormented until the end (he tried to get someone to electrocute him with a suped-up emeter to kill the bt’s), from a stroke, was and still is covered up by the cherch.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Thanks. Is this just a euphemism for suicide? Or is this “causatively dropped the body” more of a woo-woo thing that is exclusive only to LRH?

          • April

            No, they weren’t saying he committed suicide I don’t think, and it’s more a “woo woo thing” as you commented.

    • Jenstnick

      did he learn nothing from Anonymous the last time this happened? I’m looking forward to watching this unfold.

      • beauty for ashes

        that was my first thought too!

      • ScnMonkeyNuts

        Hooray! More Deranged Micromanaged foot bullets 🙂

      • Frodis73

        Just when I think I have seen him do the dumbest thing in the world…he does something like this! He IS helping kill the church off more than anyone else. Smh

        • Ella Raitch

          I finally looked up the acronym smh…in Australia SMH is the abbreviation for the daily broadsheet Sydney Morning Herald – it was so odd seeing it at the end of peoples posts

          • EnthralledObserver

            Umm… been wondering about this one for a while (but havne’t looked it up yet)… what it mean? lol

            • Ella Raitch

              Shaking my head

            • EnthralledObserver

              Ahh… well that makes sense now, innit? I mean, the topic here IS $cientology.

            • Ella Raitch

              Yeah – we should all sign off with that smh

          • Frodis73

            I had to look up what it meant the first time I saw it too, so it’s not just an Aussie/US thing. Tho, I like the idea of ending all sentences referencing Sydney Morning Herald…just totally random and will def leave ppl shaking heads. 😀

            • Ella Raitch

              It would be like seeing posts signed off with bbc or pbs

        • Jenstnick

          He just can’t stop himself, it really is entertaining.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      There are still some “LRH death” videos on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lrh+death

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I’m just trying to imagine what strategy the COS and its stars may implement after Going Clear airs on HBO. If the PR for Cruise is as bad as we hope it could, what are the chances they get his kids to come out and deny everything?

    Anybody have other ideas on what they might try to do to survive the impending PR tsunami?

    • this…..

      • Minion Continuum

        I had to sign in just to say “Buahahaha!! aahaha! hahaha!! hahah aahahaha!!”

        • beauty for ashes

          I know who you are, and what you want and I promise you’re not going to get it here Wogs~i mean Minion Continuum!

          • Minion Continuum

            ..that obvious huh? guess you can’t hide coolness. awww shucks. : )

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I call shenanigans, this undercover C.O.B. is about a foot too tall! 🙂

        • he’s standing on a box

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Ha! Nice try Lush, but we all know that little Davey is a two-box man! LOL

            • Minion Continuum

              I had to sign in again just to say “Buahahahaha!!!” Good one. : )

  • Caught In the Snow

    Wow, I’m in a tiny motel on the Big Sur coast, on my iffy tablet, so excited as the truth marches on, and I’m so proud to be still connected to the Warriors all are there– no matter what, it’s worth it, carry on…..

    • beauty for ashes

      Awww, I like your kitteh avi! So cute. Glad you could join us!

  • EnthralledObserver
    • Ella Raitch

      I was just coming to post that ACA are apparently running a story in about 20 mins…I wonder if it’s the same thing?

      • EnthralledObserver

        Hmm… it may be. Only time will tell.

        • Ella Raitch

          Yeah – just read in the article – it is quoting Pal Schofield (Scooter) talking to ACA. They are hoping to follow Victoria’s footsteps and win the appeal

          • Smokey Wallisa

            I wish I could dominate this phone! I really wanted to add a link to Scooter’s story from ESMB for those that haven’t read it. It’s heartbreaking. His child died at an Org and it was covered up (with his help because he was in deep and looking out for the cause). I hope someone with more mastery provides a link to his story.

            • Ella Raitch

              I’ll grab it.

            • Smokey Wallisa

              No, sorry. It’s in the section of “my story inside Scientology” and is Scooter’s story. If you can’t find it I’ll look later when I can get on a real computer. It’s worth it.

            • Smokey Wallisa

              I just saw your reply. It’s in the ‘My story from inside Scientology’ section of ESMB and is titled ‘scooterstory’. He has another good on in the same section titled ‘Why I oppose Scientology’. Thanks.

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Good on the Australians for calling this (NarCONon) out as the bs that we all know it to be.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Did you see ACA – we have no reception at the present time (booo) so I missed it. 🙁

        • Ella Raitch

          Not on here for an hour yet. It will be on their website by then probably

        • Ella Raitch

          ….never mind thought I had the video link and it was just the story…looking again….

          This is it….

          http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/video/

          Scroll down for “The legal battle scientology…”

    • Ella Raitch

      Finally heard back from Foxtel (I asked about Going Clear – since they have HBO programming)

      Not great news 🙁

      Hi

      Thank you for your email to Foxtel, I appreciate the time you have taken to contact us.

      “Going Clear” is not currently in our schedule, however, I have forwarded your interests of this onto our channels team for their consideration.

      Once more thank you for taking the time to contact us.

      Yours sincerely,

      Foxtel Programming Liaison

      • EnthralledObserver

        Ok… well, not great news… but still hope by the sounds of it, even slim hope.

      • beauty for ashes

        maybe you have to keep telling them you’re REALLY REALLY interested, like everyday! 😉

        • Ella Raitch

          A Bunker harpoon campaign!

  • Leah has a new gig…

    • beauty for ashes

      AHHH I’m dying over here Leah!

    • Ella Raitch

      Noice

    • One Human

      And she looks more beautiful than ever!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      What a cuttie !

  • Lurkness

    While Miscavige doesn’t practice Scientology, he invented some of his own weird technology–Copper Rod Tech. That tech has come up in the comments and thought I would post the video where Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun talk about it. I think all of their videos discussing Miscavige are great.
    Check ’em out if you are new here or watch them again for the lulz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eW7_7XSvuI

    BTW the videos were made when Mike and Marty will still very much into LRH’s tech.

    • beauty for ashes

      Seriously funny Lurkness, I think I will watch it again for the LULZ!

      • TheMirrorThetan

        Can you image how high Dickless Midget’s blood pressure went when he saw these videos and these two laughing at him?

    • Smokey Wallisa

      While I enjoyed that video when Marty posted it to his blog (and still do) today it also strikes me for how I feel such sadness for Marty and Monique. It is so clear from all the photos and videos that Marty posted of friends visiting and fishing (remember the Headley boys fishing?) during their time there that they thoroughly enjoyed their home and living where they did. That they moved to avoid the harassment that was rained upon them by Miscavige and Scientology is despicable. No matter what you may feel about Marty, Mosey and their child didn’t deserve that.

  • richelieu jr

    Hey everyone–
    I’ve been gone for a while (literally on a mountaintop, as it happens!) and I am a bit confused– I thought these screenings must simply be to qualify for the Oscars next year (even thought it is early days for that…), but some of the comments have me worrying that this is becausenHBO has either pushed dit back massively (or demanded cuts) or refused to show it outright..

    Say it ain’t so, Joe!

    • Lurkness

      Ain’t so. You have to have the documentary show at commercial theaters for at least one week in LA and NYC to qualify for the Oscars. The theatrical release must be BEFORE the documentary is aired on TV or cable. All according to plan and HBO date has not been moved again.

      • richelieu jr

        Well, that of course is what I thought.. Why then the panic from iBetty et al…?

        xo,
        d”

        “Outside of dog, a book is man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read.” Groucho Marx

        • Lurkness

          I think because they are not going to be able to see it in the UK on March 29th and providers there haven’t said when they may have it to broadcast it.

          • richelieu jr

            I’m dying to see it (and that my investors see it as well, so they know it is different from the one I was trying to make), and I’ve even put out feelers to see if I can get a nice screening set up at the Cinematheque Française, but no answers…

    • Smokey Wallisa

      Tony explained in response to my questioning along somewhat similar lines that this time slot is coveted for viewership for HBO. It was not pushed back for any other reason than 2 capitalize on the enormous interest that this documentary has garnered for Gibney, Wright and HBO.

      • Richard Grant

        Just to expand on Smokey’s excellent response: “coveted” is almost an understatement. The Sunday prime-time slot is holy ground, seasonally occupied by Game of Thrones, the highest-rated show in HBO’s history, if I’m not mistaken. HBO executives gather on Sunday evenings to sacrifice small domestic livestock and the occasional media critic to Ba’al in order to ensure the continuing fecundity of this slot. At least two of them have named their children “Sunday” and one has given his daughter the puzzling middle initials “R.R.” If Going Clear is a blow-out, expect an “Alex” or two.

      • richelieu jr

        Yeah, this is all completely logical; It was people’s comments that mad eme think i’d missed something…

  • Ella Raitch

    .@FreedomEthics 2B Clear: The trailer for #GoingClear has been viewed 391K times. That's a lot of people interested in seeing those claims.— Free & Clear Ethics™ (@FreeClearEthics) March 5, 2015

    • Yep. 391,718 and counting.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zllYkNu1sl4

      391,718

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        For comparison purposes only:

        HBODocs YouTube Videos –
        Going Clear promo: 1 week = 391,718
        Crisis Hotline: Veterans Press 1 (2015 Oscar winner) promo: 1 month = 6,751 views
        CitizenFour (2015 Oscar winner) total for 3 separate promos: 1 week = 5,804 views
        Jennifer Lopez: Dance Again promo: 2 months = 244,497 views
        and
        Scientology Super Bowl Commercial 2015 – Age of Answers: 1 month ago = 130,941 views

        • Richard Grant

          Thanks for this!

          It would be interesting to know more about the breakdown of the 130K views of “Age of Answers.” Like, how many are critics who learned about this video from sites like the Bunker, how many are casual public following a link from somewhere, how many are Scientologists watching repeatedly.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Well, considering there are 11 million $cientologists worlwide, the total is even less impressive, right?… Hehe

  • Ella Raitch

    Small NSW town fight against Narconon story featured on A Current Affair

    http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/video/

    Scroll down for “The legal battle scientology…”

    Ben McCormack reports

  • Tsunetomo
    • Thank you.

      • Richard Grant

        Dodo, do you exist in all time zones at once? I’m frightened now.

        • This is my hibernation mode.

        • Song for you Richard. Hope you like it.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RejMHwz1z74

          • Richard Grant

            Thank you Dodo! You are obviously in league with my daughter in trying to open my ears to contemporary pop music.

            I feel like, Jesus, I’ve still got all this jazz to listen to, and I’m slowly working my way through Scandinavian composers — and BTW, Tom Petty has got a new album out.

            This song is pretty catchy though. My daughter’s last foray was all about that bass and I guess I am more about that tenor.

            • I like her voice and emotion in this song. So cool you have a daughter, Richard.

    • Tsunetomo
      • Let’s see on that one.

        • Richard Grant

          Yes that one is rather strange. All the quotes from Smith seem to strongly suggest he *is* a Scientologist. And I don’t see any *direct* quotes from anyone else saying that he’s not. Is the Daily Mail noted for lazy reporting?

          • sookiesookie
          • kemist

            Including from Smith himself, which is really weird.

            And why tell this now ? Smells like an attempt at distancing himself, while keeping deniability for scientologists (no, I never said I wasn’t), from the whole shebang when it’s about to become very unpopular, especially as a celebrity, to openly be a scientologist.

          • Tsunetomo

            The Daily Mail is a right-wing tabloid held in very low regard here in the UK. They are simply recycling a bunch of quotes without doing any addition reporting.

            • Richard Grant

              Thanks! I ought to have known that. I’ve been composing imaginary headlines lately for various (real) German newspapers for my (fictional) work-in-prog, so the subject of editorial slant and credibility has been on my mind.

            • Tsunetomo

              Is this another pre-war thing? Volkischer Beobachter type-of-deal?

            • Richard Grant

              Yes — though I’m interested not so much in the obvious Party organs like the VB, but the more mainstream papers like the Berliner Morgenpost, the Tageblatt, the Frankfurter Allgemeine — there’s a lot, as you can imagine. I’m trying to get a sense of how various working journalists and editors adapted their working practices to the harsh realities of the new regime.

            • Tsunetomo

              Maybe someone wrote a book about Fritz Gerlich. That might have some good background.

      • there’s something very fishy going on here…. it seems Will Smith’s PR are trying to distance their client form the cult… roping in Tony and Mike Rinder?… something doesn’t seem right with me… there’s definitely another agenda going on here IMO

        • sookiesookie

          I’m confused about why you’re characterizing it as Tony and Mike being “roped” into it? He replied to you yesterday that it was legit, and it didn’t seem like he was rueful about talking to the guy. What gives you a different impression?

          • This is not a “story” per se, IMO opinion this is a spin deliberately put out by Smith’s management… the fact the journalist involved made a specific point of ‘sitting down with’ [“roped in” is the vernacular i happened to choose] with two SP heavyweights is strange. As I said, I think there’s a lot more to this story than meets the eye.

            just my 2 cents

            • sookiesookie

              Ah. “Roped in” carries a connotation of being taken advantage of, or unwittingly used over here. It’s hard for me to see people as savvy as Tony and Mike being suckered into doing something that they ultimately didn’t support. Thus the confusion.

            • it does have different connotations … “roped” is quite different to “roping” – a big part of the difference is down to the tense.

              “Who can we rope in to help us move the furniture this week” is quite harmless.

              “I roped in the neighbours…” does have a little smidgen of deviousness to it if you choose to look it that way

        • sumertin

          Will Smith is close pals with TC, and I imagine he’s dabbled in the church in a similar way that some of Tom’s wives have – just as a friendly gesture to Tom.
          Will and Jada have probably taken a few courses, done a little auditing and whatever else at Cruise’s suggestion.

          Yes Will Smith has publicly said some positive things about Scientology, but it’s much like Katie Holmes did during her marriage. I think it’s really just a courtesy to Tom.

          And maybe Smith did genuinely like certain aspects of it. Who knows… But I’ve never thought of Smith as a real Scientologist. I don’t recall ever seeing him in any photos at church events. I think it goes no further than having taken some courses and publicly remaining loyal to Tom.

          • you’re wrong on pretty much all your counts…. but that’s irrelevent; the real story is the story behind the story of why prominent SP’s are going on record saying he isn’t one. This smacks of PR to me.

        • Smokey Wallisa

          I’m inclined to think that neither Tony nor Mike could be easily roped into a PR or Scientology program. What I think is going on is that Will is influenced and controlled by a stronger personality that is a dedicated Scientologist. The result of that is the school and the wierd kids.

          • my point about this is not whether he is or isn’t but that it’s strange for Tony and Mike to go on record stating he isn’t. why would this journalist write a story that Will Smith wasn’t a scientologist unless he was approached by Smith’s people… this is not a story, this is a PR piece and I’m a tad sad and confused Tony and Rinder are happy to confirm they sat down with him and supplied these vox pops.

            • Richard Grant

              I hear that. But I’m not seeing *any* direct quotes from Tony or Mike to support the reporter’s claim. Here is the only direct quote I can find, and it’s from Tony, and it does *not* say what the reporter seem to think it does:

              ‘There’s not that many celebrities in Scientology, and the young ones were born into it, and the other ones people cite—Cruise, Travolta, and Kirstie Alley—got into it in the ’70s and ’80s,’ Ortega said in the interview with The Daily Beast.

              ‘They have not attracted a major star in 25 years,’ he added. ‘The only young Scientologists on the celebrity scene were all born into it. Beck was born into it. Giovanni Ribisi was born into it.’

              That statement that Smith is not a Scientologist comes in the reporter’s words. And while he attributes it to Rinder, saying that Mike “insisted” it was so, he is curiously unable to provide any actual statements from Mike to this effect.

            • sookiesookie

              In the D.B. article, and referring to Tony and Mike:

              ‘When asked if Smith was a Scientologist, they both responded in unison: “Will Smith is not a Scientologist.” (Smith’s representatives refused to comment.)’

            • yeah, this story was actually started on yesterdays post and again on the beginning of todays comments… no reply from the Tony until I tweeted the original journalist directly and then Tony confirmed it.

              he normally mentions in his posts if he’s been approached by other outlets… strange he didn’t here… have a feeling he’ll address it in tomorrows posting

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            • Richard Grant

              Thanks for expanding on this. It’s a curious thing.

            • Bob

              Tony first and for most seems to only commit himself only when he has fully documented facts.

          • Ella Raitch

            No one’s comfirmed Jada’s position

            • According to Tony, Jada is KSW.
              Just like Kelly Preston is with JT.

            • The conundrum for someone like me is that if Jada is KSW and Will ‘no longer dabbles in it’ wouldn’t that make him an SP by proxy? {no wonder there seems to be so much tension in their marriage, ed}

            • Ella Raitch

              Different rules for celebs and whales

            • No. It’s a Celeb Scio world 2.0 apparently. Just speculating.

            • vistaril_LOL

              He’s a “donator/enabler” so he won’t see a cent of my $ – or of anyone I can influence.The $$$ of hollywood cretins keep the abuse going.

          • Richard Grant

            As media_lush explains, “roped in” is just a term used in the media biz to mean “answered questions from a reporter.”

        • and when this story starts to hit far off obscure sites like the Johannesburg Sunday World it really does add credence to this being deliberate PR… it looks like Smith is taking a proactive response to distance himself from the HBO doc

          http://www.sundayworld.co.za/news/2015/03/05/will-smith-is-not-a-scientologist

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          What is odd about this article is that no one addresses the elephant in the room – Jada. Jada is a CO$ elephant, no? If he is just a dabbler but she is full on KSW, I think that should be relevant if the tagline is supposed to be “Will Smith Is Not a Scientologist”.

          “I’m a student of world religion”. Really Will? That old saw is parroted by every Scilon every chance they get. At this point that line is like a big neon sign flashing “I’m a $cientologist”.

          • a lot of the gossip sites are saying that they’re going to announce their divorce pretty soon… maybe this is “his side” laying down some groundwork

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Hmm… interesting. Then maybe this is just his way of letting her know that she gets custody of the Basics.

            • Richard Grant

              Ha ha! Oh, Walrus, you scamp.

          • Richard Grant

            Almost sounds like he’s channeling his own kids.

            • lest we forget….

            • Richard Grant

              Oh fuck. All that expensive brain-lipo for naught.

              Jaden did have a clever tweet a few days ago, in all fairness. “There is no dress.”

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  • Scream Nevermore
  • Scream Nevermore
  • Richard Grant

    Apologies if this was mentioned somewhere down-thread, but Mike Rinder’s latest post contains a nugget of interest to those of us who have been following the evolution of Mike’s thoughts about Scientology. It’s down in the comment thread.

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/how-many-humanitarians-does-it-take-to-screw-in-a-light-bulb/

    There’s a very brief exchange of comments, started by one of the indie types who post regularly there. This person says:

    “Its annoying when Scientologist hating fuck-tards get on here and covertly attack the people that understand and use the tech.” (He goes on, but that’s the flavor of the comment.)

    And Mike responds. (Again, just the opening highlights:)

    “You sound awfully like a card carrying church member.

    “There are a LOT of opinions in the world. And differing viewpoints. If they frustrate you and make you feel attacked, then you should probably not be reading this or a lot of other sites on the internet.”

    I think this is interesting because Mike has been busy lately and not responding to many comments, but this one obviously got to him. But it’s also interesting because, while it’s obvious Mike feels a great distance between himself and this “card carrying church member,” he actually never gets into his own beliefs about Scientology at all. And I think this might be what frustrates people — on all points of the belief spectrum — who want Mike to make some definitive statement, to declare himself an indie or a non-believer or an atheist or a Buddhist or whatever. Maybe Marty, with his very public spiritual evolution, has led us to expect this kind of thing. Mike is a different sort of cat (and a cat I think I can identify with). He seems to feel that his personal beliefs are his own business. I’m inclined to respect that.

    • I’ve met Rinder briefly, after he left. He is pretty cool.

    • seriouslyWTF

      I thought he answered that during the q&a. Someone asked him if he was still involved at all with any indie groups or whatever, and he answered “No”.

      • Richard Grant

        Yep! And “no” is all we’re likely to get from him, I bet.

    • RBE

      I have been doing some research on this subject at will post it in today’s thread when it is published.

    • Bob

      Mike focuses on exposing the true state of the cherch through his blog and through his actions. His support goes toward not debunking the applied philosophy of the cherch, it goes towards the lies and hypocrisy of the cherch.
      Indirectly he brings down the practices which contradict themselves.

  • 0tessa

    Even when Tony Ortega and Mike Rinder assert that Will is not a Scientologist, that does not make it a fact.
    Other facts (pals with Tom Cruise, Scientology school, Will comparing the bible with Scientology) rather show the contrary might be true. As long as Will doesn’t publicly make a statement about this, it is all hearsay. Will might be a Scientologist and keep a very low profile about it. Making comparisons between Scientology and other religions is among Scientologists a way to communicate with non-Scientologists, to show them Scientology is not weird or dangerous or a cult. It is like telling an acceptable truth. Scientologists get trained in this.

    • Ben Franklin

      From what I have heard, it is his wife Jada who is or at least has some connection with Scientology, and that Will Smith is just supportive of his wife but not an official member of the church. Tom Cruise have other celebrity friends such as Oprah, David Beckham etc, but I don’t think they are Scientologists either.

  • Rasha

    A sign of some sort
    Dreamed of posting haikus here
    No, really. I did.

    Morning, all!

    • MaxSpaceman

      Rasha Farian
      Made The Good Morning Haiku
      Behold- it was good!

      • Richard Grant

        Okay, Haikuites, I’ve got a question.

        I was following a Twitter account called @realscientists for a while — a *great* account, every week there’s a different working scientist tweeting about whatever they’re working on, what’s on their minds, whatever — but it was just too much to keep up with. Anyway, one of these scientists was an enthusiastic practitioner of Twitter haiku. And this person (I’ll never remember his/her name) said that the genre has evolved in such a way that the traditional 5/7/5 syllabification is pretty much a bygone thing. I can’t do justice to the whole discussion around this, but essentially the person suggested that other aspects of the haiku tradition are still honored, though the convention regarding syllables is considered to be antiquated.

        So this is an open-ended question, I guess. I’m just curious whether anyone might want to respond or elaborate.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Never hoid o’ dat, Rich.

        • well the main haiku tradition IS 5-7-5 so i have no clue what other tradition they could be honoring…..i mean, yeah, haiku IS 5-7-5….that’s the main frame basic frame work and you remove that, you don’t have a haiku…..

          • Sibs

            In Japanese haikus tend to be about nature. They use code words that are like symbols for different seasons. Maybe that’s what Richard is talking about?

            • ah, perhaps that is it….thanks Sibs!

        • what’suppressive

          Can’t post link from my phone Richard but please Google “haiku by a robot” it’s probably a gag but either way it’s genius.

        • Robert Eckert

          “Waka” is the generic word for a poem that is just very short. “Haiku” should be reserved for the particular 5/7/5 form. Destroying the meaning of words which have specific and useful meanings is a bad practice.

          • Observer

            It’s a bad practice on which Scientology relies heavily.

  • Mockingbird

    It
    is beyond frustrating that several things are always flubbed in
    interviews with Scientology “experts” . They never site Hubbard’s
    prolific plagiarism . Case in point OT III is stolen almost entirely
    from Oahspe – just read this insane cult text and compare it for yourself ! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oahspe:_A_New_Bible

    also , these experts never understand that all auditing relies on the
    same basic methods of creating confusions and cognitive dissonance with
    mental discomfort then directing attention off the confusion which
    brings temporary relief . This is always done with lies and the relief
    makes the victim receptive to the lies . This is a form of hypnosis and a
    very old con . Confuse ( often via contradiction ) then seem to relieve
    the confusion and explain the relief as occurring from Scientology’s
    fraudulent “miraculous technology” then explain all of life in
    Scientology’s extensive loaded language so all the experiences created
    in auditing are interpreted as proving Scientology’s terms and concepts
    and philosophy are true . That is the con and it is straight out of
    Lifton’s eight criteria of thought reform . Rinder may or may not be an
    honest guy – but he is likely not well informed on the subject he is
    called on as an expert . The con is confuse , even slightly then get
    cooperation in directing attention via lies . This brings relief . By
    repetition this habituates greater and greater submission to Hubbard and
    his doctrine until you have a slave/master and abuser/victim
    relationship where the victim submits their will and judgment entirely
    to their abuser and seeing themself as worthless and Hubbard as perfect –
    they become a mental pseudo clone of Hubbard to alleviate the abuse
    they cannot even perceive . They do not realize the relief they had was
    false and will fade as they use trance logic to in fact submit
    hypnotically to Hubbard to avoid cognitive dissonance . It is quite
    simple and I wish they would get Jon Atack or any of several others who
    know this to explain . Hubbard also used many other rhetorical methods
    to confuse then implant people and to hold and keep their attention with
    plagiarized sublime writing . It is tremendously frustrating to see the
    reality of how the cult functions to be under-reported when ample
    evidence is in Hubbard’s doctrine and many places such as the Anderson
    Report .
    Oahspe: A New Bible – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I
    wish some of this would be addressed even briefly by someone who
    understands cults , abusive relationships and their dynamics and has a
    good grounding in hypnotism/mind control and rhetoric and Hubbard’s
    prolific plagiarism and combining of rhetorical methods . I have a post
    on a tiny bit of this . http://mbnest.blogspot.com/…/mockingbirds-nest-why…

    Mockingbird’s Nest: Why Hubbard never claimed OT feats and the rock bottom…

    mbnest.blogspot.com

    Here
    is a post with a tiny bit of the classic rhetoric Hubbard employed
    after studying the subject under Dean Wilbur who wrote extensively on it
    . http://mbnest.blogspot.com/…/rhetoric-in-scientology…

    Mockingbird’s Nest: Rhetoric in Scientology- a few brief examples

    WARNING : for any seeking recovery or any info on…
    mbnest.blogspot.com

    Oahspe: A New Bible[pronunciation?] is a book…
    en.wikipedia.org

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    Miscavige’s biggest skeleton is the stealing by him and cohort lawyers of Scientology the night that Hubbard died by writing and forging signature to a sudden new will that Hubbard never saw, as he was not conscious while on the drug Vistarol.
    This contained so-called family trusts that were anything but, while also ripping-off the actual family members.
    There is more to the story, later.

  • Pepper

    To Karen:

    Thank you for the new video on exposing the abuse and torture that Heber Jentzsch has been going through for years. I last saw Heber at ASHO LA, with an eastern orthodox priest on a tour at PAC base. This would have been at least 10-12 years ago now. He looked all right physically but he seemed under pressure because I saw him quickly glare at someone who was looking at him and the priest. Heber has such a great reputation for being civil and I was a little surprised to see him give that look to someone but now I know why. Too much influence of, and being under the thumb of Miscavige.

    I’m glad that you keep focusing on the abuse of people within the church. Keep your chin up and keep going. You have many supporters and we love you.

  • efish

    … i just lost all respect for mike rinder… watching the times interview, which was very interesting, actually… but when mike rinder is asked about the lisa mcpherson case, he dismisses it as “oh yah, just the families wanting some money”… what bullshit, what utter bullshit… and how many peoples lives were destroyed by the cult at that point (i’m not going to bother naming names, anyone who was around back then remembers, i am sure)… well, okay, here is just one: dandar. the lawyer for the family. who consequently got sued into the ground… *still* galls me that that could happen in the american courtsystem. and then to have this *asshole* rinder dismiss the years of people struggling for *some* kind of redress as… “oh ya, i still think they just wanted some cash”… yah, rinder, keep playing the hero, but you are still the same nasty fuck you ever were. who will never own up to the lives you, *personally*, helped destroy.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    I just called the Presidio Theater in San Francisco. They said that Going Clear will show for a week there, and tickets will be on sale as early as tomorrow online. She said they just loaded the new schedule so to wait a day and try to get the tickets online. She gave no indication that she has any idea what they are in for!

  • allioops

    as to the question of how to help those who are brave and intelligent enough to leave this evil: My personal results came from finding a very good Therapist. My Therapist happens to specialize in cult involvement. She has helped families with member in cults, and ex-cult members themselves (such as me.) Sadly, the involvement in this time of cult, Scientology, is all enclosing. Members are so brainwashed, or brain dead, as to believe that the rest of society is very wrong. Only Scientology has the answer. Many are of the belief that Scientology will protect them from ever having to die. That is worth every penny to those afraid of dying.

  • Alex De Valera

    Thank you very much Karen for this new video, Heber was a good man, a man of ideals. I am afraid there isn’t much left of him these days. How this inhuman treatment is allowed in a country ruled by law just amazes me.

  • peggy oconnor

    Also a never in, despite finding myself on their mailing list. The horrors of the Allgemeine DM, Prasident und Gott of his cult remind me often of another dictator. May he find the same end. I too also raised awareness to my senators and representatives about the tax free status of the farce religion. May soon Herr Mismanage hear those words, ” tax exemption revoked, no religion here.!”