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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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More fallout in France: Scientologist who asked for damages ends up paying instead

Scientology protests its prosecution by France, February 2012

Scientology protests its prosecution by France, February 2012

Our man in Paris, Jonny Jacobsen, has another update for us related to France’s prosecution of Scientology for fraud.

A Scientologist convicted in France’s landmark fraud case against the movement has failed in a bid to get counter-cult group UNADFI and its lawyer fined for their role in the case.

In what amounts to a legal rap on the fingers, the Paris court that heard her complaint decided instead to award damages and legal costs against her.

Sabine Jacquart, a former president of Scientology’s Celebrity Centre in Paris, was convicted with others of organised fraud in a landmark 2009 trial.

That case, which for the first time saw two Scientology organisations in France among those convicted, was confirmed on appeal in 2011.

Her case was argued in a Paris civil court last October 16 — the same day, the country’s highest court confirmed the criminal convictions against Jacquart, four other Scientologists and the two Scientology organisations.

Jacquart denounced the fact that UNADFI and its lawyer Olivier Morice had played a key role at every stage of that trial.

While the criminal court that handled the original trial and the appeal court both refused UNADFI plaintiff status, those rulings were only handed down after Morice had played a full role in the proceedings.

Jacquart argued that because she had been obliged to defend herself from UNADFI, an association that no business being in court in the first place, she had not received a fair trial.

In her complaint, Jacquart asked the court to fine both Morice and UNADFI for their conduct in this affair and to send the criminal case back to a judge to consider if the case should be re-examined.

UNADFI, in its response, argued that since Jacquart had not even attended the trial on appeal, it was difficult to see how they had damaged her chance to a fair trial.

UNADFI — and Morice — objected to Jacquart’s characterisation of them as meddling in court cases that did not concern them, of doing everything they could to harass and overwhelm the defendants.

They asked the court to fine Jacquart for attacking them in this way when in fact they had simply been exercising their legal rights in a proper manner.

The court, in its ruling, agreed with them. It said that if Jacquart had a problem with UNADFI’s continued presence in the courtroom, she should have raised the issue earlier.

It rejected any suggestion that UNADFI and Morice had behaved improperly, ruling instead that Jacquart’s bid to have them sanctioned was itself an abuse of the legal process.

It ordered her to pay Morice 15,000 euros in damages and 5,000 euros to UNADFI. She was also instructed to pay another 7,000 euros towards their legal costs.

As we reported here on Friday, just a few days ago, the movement in France was making much of a ruling that awarded some of the defendants in the long-running affair damages for unacceptable delays in the case (it dates back to 1998).

There was no word in their press release about this result however, even though it was handed down the same day, January 22.

UNADFI president Catherine Picard tells us that a number of the other defendants in the fraud case have filed similar complaints against them.

She is hoping for similar results in those cases, in rulings due next month: watch this space.

 
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Steven Mango’s film: Inside the Scientology Celebrity Centre

We heard from Steven Mango this morning, who asked us to post his film, which had its debut last night in Los Angeles. Give it a look!

 

 
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And now Ideal Advanced Orgs?

We want to thank the tipster who sent us this flier from Italy. It refers to Scientology’s “Advanced Org” in Copenhagen, and claims that the AO is now going “Ideal.”

It says, “The first Ideal Advanced Organization on the planet.”

They say it’s going to open in Copenhagen in February and they will communicate the date when they know for sure. Nothing else really to translate. It’s mostly fodder. Well, the Ideal Org is something of the past. Now, It’s the Ideal Advanced Org!

Does this mean renovations are coming for the other Advanced Orgs in Los Angeles, Sydney, and Saint Hill in England? Oh, the fundraising opportunities are amazing!

 
IdealAO

 
Thanks to reader Vistaril_LOL for this translation of the flier…

A new dawn is rising as we speak for the first advanced org on the planet, AOSH Europe!

Take part in the inauguration and be part of history!

I’ve got fabulous news for you! The first adv Ideal org on the planet is being opened – AOSH Europe, right here in Copenhagen!

It’s an important, even vital achievement with a new availability conforming to the birth of a new AOSH.It’s not just about a greater level, bur is exactly how LRH outlined and will make it possible to speed up enormously your advancement up the bridge up to OT V

The restructuring is being finished at the moment, and will soon be ready for the inauguration! At present it seems like this will happen in the first days of February.

As soon as a definite date is fixed I will let you know,butt in the meantime if I were you I’d keep the first two weeks of Feb free from any other commitment so you will be able to take part in this inauguration.

This will be a two day function with prominent speakers and I believe you won’t want to miss what happens here.It will be a moment of enormous importance not solely for $cientology in Europe , but also for YOU!

With affection

Walter
CO CLO EU

For assistance re journeys/transport and hotels, contact the Public Service Secretary of your zone org.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 27, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Priscilla

    Excellent news from France

  • Sherbet

    Weren’t we expecting news from Monique’s case today?

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am not sure we would get news. This was the day for the turn over of evidence.

      I hope Tony and Ray will talk and Tony will write something tomorrow.

      I assume that Ray will get lots of stuff that he has to sort through, and may not know what he does not have for a few days.

      • Sherbet

        I was hoping we’d hear something, even as sketchy as They didn’t comply, or They did comply.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I know. I am curious, too.

          • Sherbet

            Get Tony on the squawk box.

            • Eclipse-girl

              If only I could……

            • Sherbet

              :-)

    • MaxSpaceman

      I’m betting $cientology Inc. turned over bupkus. Nada. Ninguno. Nothing.

      • Sherbet

        Then they’d be “Scientology: The ballsiest religion ever”

        • MaxSpaceman

          Delay. Frustrate. Enturbulate. Mess with the opposition. SOP standard.

          • Sherbet

            Sigh…

      • Eclipse-girl

        Then I think Judge Waldrip would have a very strong case for deciding issues in favor of Monique.

        I think they turned over lots of stuff, but not all the evidence that the Judge ordered and it will take Ray and team a while to sort through it to find what is missing

        • Priscilla

          I fear you might be right, Eclipse-girl. That would fit their pattern of past behaviour.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I think Ray and his team are very good at what they do.
            I think Ray, Marty, Mike and the rest of the team will (eventually) be able to show what evidence is missing

            • Priscilla

              Agreed, but as you said, it will take time. And we know who loves to waste others’ time.

            • Sejanus

              The really tragic part here is that at the end of things…the Co$ will fork over money and not likely stop what they are doing. They will just hit up the parishioners..*cough cough* for more donations to offset the loss. Personally I wanna see the Dildo Master behind bars.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I do, too.

              It will take a concerted education effort to open the eyes of those who are still in. Films like Steve’s will help in that effort.

            • Sejanus

              I tend to agree.
              Additionally, it is my feeling that sites like this, the wealth of information online and generally increasing media scrutiny will continue to reach people like me who is a “Never In”.
              It says a lot when people who were not personally affected by the cult come together to find out more and actually get involved. Gotta say though it can be a bit daunting coming on to a board like this with only raw knowledge from a ton of study about the atrocities.
              I lurked for a long time in here until I felt I could sort of half ways keep up with terminology and short forms courtesy of Blubbard.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I think the Ron and scientologists use language as way to keep people divided. its an us (those who are in scientology) vs them (wog world) mentality.

              It takes all of us “never ins” time to learn the lingo.
              Its scary how quickly we do.

            • Sejanus

              I know, my friends are even catching on as I joke about the words.
              Even have a hamster named Entheta…lol
              It is truly astonishing how messed up he was and even more so the legacy of damage that he left.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Waldrip could decide issues in favor of Monique. One issue at a time. Which is okay with Miscavige. Purpose: delay- frustrate- enturbulate- and mess with the opposition. Period. Edit: plus, the appeals for this case will be going on in 2017 still, so there’s no rush with Miscavige.

        • Sherbet

          I’m guessing the defendants have no idea what Judge Waldrip is capable of, and maybe he’s got plenty of legal aces up his sleeve. Nobody is going to jerk him around.

          • Eclipse-girl

            As slow as this process is, I am very willing to let Judge Waldrip take his time writing his decision to make it perfectly clear what is legal reasoning is, and hopefully make it strong that it is upheld upon appeal

            • Sherbet

              I think I love the guy already.

  • Sandy

    Well, what a beautiful video. But he needs to chop it up into 10 – 15 min segments for You Tube consumption

    • MaxSpaceman

      I was thinking, Sandy, that Mr Mango could cut it into three 50 minute segments, as it’s clocking in at 2 hours 36 minutes. It’s longer than any major motion picture nowadays at 156 minutes, so that’s a problem I’d think. At the same time, it’s an excellent documentary and hugely informative.

      • Sandy

        Max – your average You Tuber is not gonna spend that much time on one video.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Yeah I know, I’m just sayin’ 3 segments to at least present a case to cut it and make pieces is all.

          • Artoo45

            It could make a nifty one hour documentary with some judicious editing. And the cult is going to hammer the shit out of him for all the glossy self-promotion at the end (bitter, defrocked apostate! It’s all just to get him acting jobs, poor us, we were so abused). That totally undercuts the serious allegations that he clearly laid out.

    • Andrew Robertson

      I agree, Sandy. Because I’d been very disciplined and parsimonious on data usage this month and had avoided the suppressive temptations of Steam and GOG.com, I had the necessary 1.7 GB remaining to download the movie in one go. Other months the situation might not have been the same and I would have had to download it in segment or my ISP would have punished me by dropping my line speed to dial-up which is exceedingly annoying.

      I think it’s an important and well made movie and if one large file limits its viewing audience, then chopping it into segments is a good idea. I use YTD Video Downloader which enables me to stop and resume downloading into the same file.

      Andrew

  • WhamBham

    Hi Steve, just watched your film..thank you for your story…however, I am shocked when you say that it’s Miscavige that has made it all bad…I’M SORRY, BUT HAVE YOU RESEARCHED LRH? He was a sick misogynistic, abusive, psychopathic lunatic….I think you should have read a bit more before releasing your movie…LRH did SO MANY horrific things that I think you should have been aware of before making this film. Please google it. I was going to list them here but there are TOO MANY to list….again, I appreciate what you have made here but you are misinformed.

    • nottrue

      Remove DM and reform scientology. No fucking way

      • WhamBham

        no fucking way is right…..

      • Just Dee

        Pay taxes, do no harm, break no laws, stop the abuses of people & the court system. Believe whatever the hell you want to believe. People believe in many things, it’s a free country. If people want to take classes & improve themselves by using emeters and believe in Xenu, go for it. But it should also be called what it is – A business. Pay your dam taxes and NO, you can’t deduct them off your income tax returns as friggin donations!

        • Eclipse-girl

          I am of the opinion that tax exempt organizations should have to have their books open, and finances available online. To be eligible for such a tax exemption, you MUST do demonstrable public good. Soup kitchens, housing the homeless, providing health care for those in need, etc. I think all property owned by such tax exempt organizations should No longer be free from property tax.

          • Just Dee

            some organizations do make their books public but not that many – scientology obviously would never do that ! But they get away with absolutely anything under the umbrella of “religion”

          • Just Dee

            some organizations do make their books public but not that many – scientology obviously would never do that ! But they get away with absolutely anything under the umbrella of “religion”

          • Sejanus

            It might also be useful for organizations to have to undergo recertification every few years to prove they are not abusing the classification. There should never be the presumption that once you are recognized granted or otherwise given the leys to the executive toilet…that you have arrived in Candyland. If it is a legit religion there should be no problems proving the good they are doing.
            Then if for some reason they lose status, they have to pay on taxes for the previous period where they learned to screw people over.

          • Ardent

            That’s a great idea, Eclipse. For one thing, it would make a certain cult look awfully greedy… I still don’t understand how DM managed to convince the IRS, and it strikes me a very suspicious.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I think it was one the the people who go by “anonymous” who posted links to about 3 newspaper articles from the 1990s about this particular case.

              Most watchers were very shocked when the decision came down. The IRS was trying to get 1 billion from Co$ and then settled for 12.5 mill. It was very strange.

              Records that should be released by the FIA weren’t. No one has been able to really investigate WHY the IRS settled.

              Most assume it was because of the numerous individual lawsuits being filed by scientologists and that IRS did not have enough $ to defend them. Some thought that perhaps the man in charge of the IRS had a skeleton in the closet that scientology discovered and that was why he settled.

          • Verve

            The thing is there are something like 23 or so tax-exempt categories, each of which have their own reporting requirements.

            I’m not sure about the property tax thing- do you think soup kitchens & emergency shelters can pay any taxes? Probably not, and then they shut down. Like I said above, their are many categories- some I think should pay some type of tax(es), some maybe not. It’s not a real easy yes/no type situation.

            edit- yes, I do believe that every tax exempt organization such get a review -right now- because it’s been shown it’s being abused. I can think of at least one organization that should be looked into…

            • Ardent

              A good point, Verve.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I see that in many municipalities various religions have some of the biggest properties and they pay no taxes. Those municipalities could use a boost in property taxes without hurting those already paying their taxes.

              Where I live, student housing is an important need. Both the catholics and the Presbyterians have been given exemptions by the state to build an apartment building on land that the church owns and not pay property taxes. That irritates me.

              I do not want to shut down homeless shelters. Many of them are run by churches in my area. I do not want shut down soup kitchens. I think there should be a way to write a law that satisfies both of us concerning property taxes.

            • Verve

              I see what you’re saying. I was just cautious about how to approach the problem (I agree that religious property gets too much leeway in the tax department).

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Yes. Everything.

            (Except the online open books. I agree that the books should be available for examination, but online would make me worry about identity theft and other abuses.)

        • Sejanus

          I often wonder if the reason so many whales stay in is simply for the tax breaks.

          • Verve

            There are all kinds of better things they could put their money into if it was just for tax breaks. It’s probably that this tax break also gives you shiny medals and spiffy plaques and whatever that you can hang on your bedroom wall to gaze at and masturbate to.

        • DeElizabethan

          Yes, a business!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Steve was reading several policy letters and is aware of this.

      It is my opinion that he is still freshly out, and like most exes will be an independent for a while. Some stay with a reformed form of scientology, some get beyond it to drop it completely.

      It is not about belief, it is about (criminal) behavior

      • Sherbet

        I don’t usually disagree with you E-girl, and I used to think it didn’t matter what a person believed, even something so blatantly fake as scientology. But lrh created a society of paranoia and punishments, not a religion of love and caring. So if someone wants to believe in scientology, they have to accept lrh’s legacy, with its built-in abuses and immorality and misogyny. Believing in strictly “pure” scientology is permission to exploit the misery of others for both money and to ensure a position in the pecking order.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Sherbet, I agree with you that I do not think Scientology can be reformed. I agree with you that scientology is rotten to the core.

          I do not think all the people in scientology are rotten.

          If they (the indies) can manage a way to create a belief system that doesn’t cause harm to others, then they should be left alone.

          • Sherbet

            Amen to that, E-girl! All they have to do is be nice, take care of one another, not charge ridiculous fees, open their eyes to what lrh really was and said, and that’s fine with me.

            • MaxSpaceman

              This is how 1 Indie, in South Africa, is suggesting $cientology can become an independent belief system:

              Ryan Hogarth, former President of the Church of Scientology Johannesburg, now Indie.
              “How do you make it easy for people to train up? Here are a few of my ideas, I’m sure there are many more. Once you get the hang of this free and broad use of the subject the ideas are endless:
              — Give away e-meters. Or sell them at a few hundred bucks. If you really wanted to be crazy & bold about it publish details on how to make one at home.
              — Make the training material available for free online in Kindle & other e-book formats including a Scientology dictionary. Most the of the material is already on the net so make it official and more user friendly.
              — Put tutorials and demo sessions on YouTube (tech films)
              — Offer a free advice line by email, twitter or an app. Whatever. Answer questions promptly (instantly if possible).
              — Have drilling sessions available in the org where people can come to practice and drill procedures. Do it regularly and make it cheap or free.
              — Now we can get fancy. Write an app for things like Self Analysis (and between you and me this app has already been written and it’s awesome) and

              “Dianetics. Ensure it is a free download.
              — Continue to find ways to make it easier. This should be the focus of the organisation. The rest, quite literally will take care of itself.

              “With volumes of people doing this there will be plenty who want professional training and professional auditing. And when this happens, they will flow into the orgs – in abundance.

              “As LRH says, cases are better opened than not and any auditing is better than no auditing so even the dodgy auditing happening out in the wild makes the world a little better.”

            • Sherbet

              To which I say, Knock yourself out, Ryan Hogarth. I’ve got no problem with your plan. (Don’t forget to research lrh’s character while you’re on the net, though.)

        • WhamBham

          yes

          • Sherbet

            We’re neck-and-neck, WhamBham, in the Pissing People Off race.

            • WhamBham

              yes, i see that :)

        • MaxSpaceman

          A host of Indies and others in Bunkerville tonight, Sherbie. What a bunch! Jon Atack on $cientologists: “Too many ex-members are malicious and vindictive. Hubbard processes and indoctrinates and turns the true believer into a clone, brimming with fear and fury.”

          • Sherbet

            You (and Jon) are right, Max. I wonder how many downvotes we’d get if they weren’t anonymous and dissenters weren’t able to hit, run, and hide.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Max your comment about Ryan Hogarth and forming a kinder form of scientology has been flagged.

            some people are is a mood tonight

            • MaxSpaceman

              E-girl, could you tell me what the consequences to that are? When it’s flagged, what happens? I never found that info out.

            • Eclipse-girl

              No one can reply to your message.

              Your comment gets hidden. You have to click on a message to read it. People who are skimming may miss it.

              I thought it was a valuable addition to the discussion. I do not like it when that happens.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Oh. Dang. (I’m gonna repost it when the time is right! See if it gets in ! )

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          (When the OSA’s scream, the squirrels are winning…!)

      • aquaclara

        I agree with what you have said. There is NO WAY I would undercut a so very well done program for this bit of a fresh approach to the LRH world that Steve thinks might be good. He is newly out, and I support him 1000 percent.

        In a year or two, his thoughts will migrate a bit toward no LRH, perhaps, as we have seen from so many. It is a healing process and we need to give people their space.

  • Sherbet

    Time for the night crew to take over. I’ve got to go to bed, where I’ll weep into my pillow about all the downvotes I got tonight.

    • Eclipse-girl

      sleep well.

    • jeff

      Doesn’t matter about the downvotes. Ignore them.

      • Eclipse-girl

        (Psst : She does ignore them)

    • Just Dee

      I was thinking about giving you one so you could take the lead! lol

  • http://www.4chan.org/ Vistaril

    Viva la Fance!!!

    Whew! That’s a long video, and what a shocking litany of orchestrated abuse at the hands of those who are “trying to help”. It struck me while watching the video that a person who eventually comes to their senses must have to go through all sorts of mental hurdles and emotional turmoil when coming to terms with what they have done to others. I wondered if that might explain why, by far, those that leave head for the hills, seldom to be heard from again. Also, Steven is made of sterner stuff than I, and that’s for sure. I think all Scientology watchers owe him a debt of gratitude for his testimony of his time in the cult.

    Gotta say, it always tugs at my heart strings to see that partial-out stage Scientologists must endure before fully realising L Ron Hubbard never had a good intention in his life. Right from the day in 1950 when L Ron Hubbard said he had used Dianetics to cure war injuries, he’s been playing people for suckers, reeling each and every one by appealing to those aspects of their nature which make them a good person. Whether its a generous nature, a bent towards hard work, curiosity about spirituality, a sense of altruism, an innate creativity propelling them towards the arts, or just simply seeking acceptance from like-minded people, all those positive human strengths are transformed by Scientology into weaknesses from which their free-will, their dreams, their families, and, most importantly, their money can be wrought. Each and every abuse to which Steve Mango was subjected is KSW Standard L Ron Hubbard Scientology in practise. The idea that Admiral L Ron Hubbard = Good / Captain David Miscavige is bad is another potential trap surrounded by the ex-cult vultures looking to keep people hooked up to the hypno-cans and plugged-in to delivering “the dream”. Fortunately, without the cult infrastructure and others means to enforce the PTS/SP Doctrine, the time spent in this twighlight is short albeit quite unnecessary. Arnie Lerma has developed something of a template describing the stages a person goes through after escaping Scientology:

    1) There is something wrong here, if this is so great, then why is (______) going on?

    [ insert whatever atrocity you have recently witnessed ]

    2) The guys at the top must be crazy

    3) Miscavige and crew are evil demons from another dimension [ or something similar ]

    4) Hubbard went crazy at the end …..

    5) Hubbard went crazy in 1966

    6) Hubbard was mad from the start.

    7) This whole thing is a complete fraud

    8) my god, its a criminal organization… with criminal convictions all over the world… and it was only about money

    9) realization that THERE ARE NO OT’s THERE!

    10) realizing, after leaving Scientology, this makes one an ex-nazi and wanting to do something about it

    . . . Steven is a smart, young guy with an equally smart partner by his side and, if I discern correctly, a supportive family. He will, I am sure, complete the transition in short order.

    And as for those Italians . . . heh!

    • Verve

      Tubbard was paranoid, egotistical, delusional, and greedy as hell. Little Boots is a sociopath, and greedy as hell.
      They were/are both insane to any rational person.
      As a never-in, I have no idea how once one gets disillusioned they can still hold on to Tubbard’s “tech.”

    • Shirley Eugeste

      Yikes. I can practically hear the crashing thunder and ominous organ music.

      Bella ciao indeed.

  • YSYSYSYSYS

    “You can also dive off a bridge or blow your brains out, that is your choice”

    Wow. What a hook, where do I sign up?

    • DodoTheLaser

      Nice, non-manipulative “religion”, eh?

      • YSYSYSYSYS

        Manipulative? Why, Dodo. How could you think such a thing?
        You heard the man, “You’re free to leave”. Translation: “You’re totally not about to become our prisoner”. “But that would be stupid”. Translation: “No, we have no intention of belittling or demeaning your intelligence”.

        I dunno, Dodo. I don’t hear anything manipulative there… well, you know… other than the whole damn thing.

    • RMycroft

      But the guy who said that blew, but didn’t blow his brains out.

      • YSYSYSYSYS

        True. Would have been nice if he’d made an amendment/atonement video, wouldn’t it?

        • RMycroft

          Really!

          “I want my money back” January 24, 2010, St. Petersburg Times
          Buying God: Tough to Get a Refund on Salvation March 1, 2010, Kathy Kristof, CBS Moneywatch
          Larry Anderson, star of Scientology’s ‘Orientation’ film, wants his money back January 24, 2010, Joe Childs, St. Petersburg Times
          The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology, No. 12: Tommy Davis September 5, 2011, Tony Ortega, Runnin’ Scared, Village Voice
          The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology, No. 14: Tory Christman August 31, 2011, Tony Ortega, Runnin’ Scared, Village Voice

          • YSYSYSYSYS

            Thanks RMycroft. See above reply to Dodo.

        • DodoTheLaser

          That would be really good. But this is a good start for Larry:

          “I’m a guy who used to be satisfied with scientology and I want my money back”.

          LARRY ANDERSON DEMANDS $120,000 REFUND FROM CULT LEADER TOMMY DAVIS. PART 2

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lyOEmGp0mg

          • YSYSYSYSYS

            Thanks Dodo. I stand corrected. I feel bad for slamming him now and also happy that Larry is on it.

            • DodoTheLaser

              No problem, YS. I am sure Larry is still processing the whole thing (PTSD and all) and trying to get on with with his life. The video PSA of sorts from him would be nice, but this is good too.

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              Yeah, it’s easy to get judgey and I do apologise. PTSD is a bitch and everyone starts with baby steps. From the links you and RMcroft posted it seems Larry is on his way.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thank you for understanding.

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              I do, Dodo, I really do. I don’t think any of us escapes this life truly unscathed. I can only imagine what the exes and the still-ins (and their families) experience on a daily basis. It’s just so frustrating waiting for the implosion of all this insidiousness. Fingers crossed 2014 will be the final year with Miss Cabbage at the helm of the not-so-good ship madness.

              Sorry for the belated reply, my power went out. We have some shitty weather headed our way and possibly a cyclone forming. Paging OT extraordinaire, Mr Tom Cruise! Mr Cruise! Mr Cruise! Can you help? YSx5 needs her power stablised.

          • Sarah James

            Good for Larry!
            Tommy and cultist wife are tools.

  • Lady Squash

    Steve Mango really tells it like it is. Impressive. Thank you Steve for putting it out there. Every bit of it is very similar to what I experienced. Liked the interweaving of actual SCN clips with his story. The clips are so creepy to me now. So obviously along the line of super glossy sales pitches. Good God, what was I thinking?

  • N. Graham

    Haven’t seen the whole video yet, but the first 1/2 is great!

  • Ardent

    Going through the video in bits. Thanks Tony, for posting it. This is another eye-opener. And still, only January! I gotta love the irony of all the hoorah for 2014 the Scilons were barking about in the tent. And very nice going, France! Once again, Scientology overreaches and get bit on the arse. Bunch of dangerous ninnies.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Half-way through Steven Mango’s video. He definitely lived through it and tells it like it is. Thank you.

  • DeElizabethan

    Excellently done and Steve really tells so much of the horrors of regging and the Sea org. I’m so happy that he was strong and didn’t put in more years. I found it interesting that the laws in California will and should have some effect on this cult regarding choice of lifestyles and partners. Hope to hear more on that.

    This video will help so many people who think they could benefit from the Celebrity Centers involvement.
    My best wishes for this to becomes very popular and I see it as a major tool in exposing this organization.
    I really enjoyed the free, happy people shown. Also the huge amount of information it provides at the end. Bravo!

    • Bob

      I agree. Steve’s film is extremely articulate and accurate. Well worth watching.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Re: Steven’s video (this posted below as a response, but I decided it needed to be a comment in it’s own right.)

    Brilliant – covered a lot of topics.
    One quibble… the CO$ is NOT in my opinion ever able to reform or become legitimate by going back to LRonny’s version and updating to modern times… I don’t think it is legit as LRonny’s version, and the doctrine itself is barred from being updated, so it just can’t happen. It’s TOXIC, and will always be so.
    Other than that I think this doco was a very good effort to cover a collection of the greatest crimes and toxicity of the CO$ all in one place.
    Great job, Steven (and partner, Jeffery)… and all others involved in this production and exposure of the truth! :)

    • DodoTheLaser

      What’s with all the down votes? What did I miss?
      I don’t normally care, but it seems more than usual…

      • Sarah James

        I think someone is earning a bowl of beans and rice. lol

        • DodoTheLaser

          Must be a hot topic.

      • Robert Eckert

        I think this time it’s Indies in the house.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Or Indies impressionists.

      • EnthralledObserver

        *snicker* vote for vote… what an effort. LOL!

        • DodoTheLaser

          Congrats!

      • Ardent

        Dodo, there are psycho down-voters around. They vex, but do not silence.

        • Candygram

          oooo… more enslaved needing to up their “stats?”

  • DodoTheLaser

    If Steven’s video is not enough for IRS to act upon, at least it’s a great addition to already existing testimonies
    that will increase public awareness of how it goes on inside scientology.

  • valshifter

    well the French don’t like them, now they try to hit a home run with the Italians,,,, to all the Italians before you sign up, lets ask Maria Pia Gardini about her wins she was an OT8

    • DodoTheLaser
    • https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/january-25th-dublin-ireland-post-game.116500/#post-2413167 InterestedinCrazy

      I only got through the first one. Amazing! They didn’t think she needed to go and see her mother before she died because she was just a body??!!?
      I can’t wait to read parts 2 and 3! She explains things very well.

  • valshifter

    per Maria Pia on her deposition :

    23. I went onto OT I. It was bullshit. You walked around by yourself and
    “spotted” things.

  • Shirley Eugeste

    Miscavige = 21st Century Potemkin?

    • DodoTheLaser
      • Shirley Eugeste

        Yep. Complete with pompous ass “just like the big boys” uniform.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Kudos to you for such an apt analogy.

          • Shirley Eugeste

            Those that drop out of school before they learn about the past are condemned to repeat it, and not even realize how ridiculous it makes them look.

            Then there’s the “Emperor’s New Clothes” analogy (or “the Commodore’s New Religion”). And Walter Mitty

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mitty

            The CO$ faithful seem to either not know and not care, or pretend not to know and not to care, that the internet has yanked the blanket off their table-fort and we can SEE them down there (helloooo!), drinking the Kool-Aid. It’s mind-boggling and sad to consider how many Steven Mangos are still in, and to contemplate what will become of them when the walls (or wall) come/s down.

            • vistaril_LOL

              superb post, now the internet legions can start pissing into that fort.

      • Verve

        Potemkin Weiner

  • DodoTheLaser

    That would be pretty ironic if scientology’s downfall will be accelerated and finalized not by the SMERSH,
    psychs or the government agencies, but by the gay people.

    Quoting Hubbard’s KSW 1:

    “So the ogre which might eat us up is not the government or the High Priests.
    It’s our possible failure to retain and practice our technology”.

    Or anyone, really, since LRon was bluffing to begin with.

  • media_lush
    • DeElizabethan

      Caught that, sound great, hope he does.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Perhaps more than one whale.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        They’ll need dolphin lawyers. Lots of dolphin lawyers.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      “Obsidian & Gold cased Quantum meters”

      They sell these? Are they custom made or do they have a bunch in stock? Who makes them?

      • DodoTheLaser

        Not sure about Obsidian Quantum, but I’ve seen Gold painted and Translucent Blue E-Meters.
        They were ~$5,000 a piece and labeled “Planetary Dissemination Edition” or some such.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Aren’t any meters usually priced around 4-5k?

          • DodoTheLaser

            Regular Quantum was less than $3,000.
            I had a Black one (and White/Vanilla as a back up).

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Only 3k? That’s a steal.

            • DodoTheLaser

              lol I was on staff at the time and bought mine from a fellow staff member (very nice guy, btw) for only ~ $500, he basically donated it to me. The second meter was provided to me by the org. It was ~12 years ago, so my numbers might be off, as far as the full price.
              It’s safe to say though, that the regular Quantum was between 3 and 4 K and a douche bag edition between 5 and 7 K.

        • Candygram

          Does MK Ultra have emeters? … as in the purported CIA mind-control/child sex ring program?

          • DodoTheLaser

            Nah. MK Ultra in this case is a humorous code name for new Mark Ultra E-meter.

    • Verve

      That jackanape is back up? Huh, interesting. I’ll pass on anything he’s saying for now.

    • vistaril_LOL

      This sounds divine – gangs of rich stoopid whales wake up to being duped and abused and take to the courts -It’s like a dream come true.

  • Hingle McCringleberry

    Was off this subject for a couple days, then got hit in the face with an ugly outcome related to a question I’ve had for a long time about what Doober Mack’s plans might be for the impending collapse. I’ve often wondered if he’s got a Plan B to run off with a bunch of money once the Law gets interested. I never took His Holiness as a Jim Jones type (why give up jets, five gourmets a day, and custom spaces at whim), then I ran into an old Chuck Palahniuk short while doing some research. Two paragraphs in, I got the chills picturing our man COB making a statement to a packed tent that this planet can no longer be cleared, so time to move on. Very scary.

    http://horrorstoriesvault.blogspot.com/2009/07/chuck-palahniuk-obsolete.html

    • Verve

      He’ll pull a Tubbard- as soon as the law is closing in, Little Boots will take off to somewhere with a bunch of money.

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        I’d say that is the likely scenario- but for a couple of factors:
        1- Its much harder to go off grid now that in the early 80s. The Hubster grew his hair and lived in a trailer in small towns. Not so simple these days.
        2- Stats show pretty conclusively that things cant get much worse for COBmeister. Any money coming in now is blood out of stones, and if he’s the psychopath people credit him to be, this has to be apparent to him already.

        SOOOO- he’s either got a plan for loading himself and his stripper-storms into a G5 and hitting the Friendly Skies, or he’s holding on to make his mark another way. . .

        • DodoTheLaser

          Middle East? Dubai is a nice spot.

      • Shirley Eugeste

        Too bad he’s instantly recognizable by millions. Living incognito will be especially difficult for Dave. First stop: some cut-rate South American plastic surgeon. (I hope his twin sister is watching her back…)

        • Ardent

          (Massive sarcastic laugh) yeah, recognized by MILLIONS! What a delusional schmuck.

    • Shirley Eugeste

      Scientologists have already been programmed to accept the occasional necessity of disconnection… I certainly hope it hasn’t all been in preparation for this.

      Hopefully DM’s final public act (and first benevolent one), as he prepares to depart in his Nautilus replica (built by RPF volunteers in their copious free time) will be to clap his hands or whatever… at which time all the Scientologists everywhere will snap the fuck out of it and pick up the pieces of their broken lives.

      Miscavige will then disappear under the waves, wishing, as his sub comes unglued all around him, that for once he’d have hired professionals for a job instead of conscripting Sea Org members.

  • nottrue