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HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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WORLD PREMIERE: The Shrinking Cult of Scientology, A Video By Tiziano Lugli

Yannus_SufandiThe Underground Bunker is privileged to debut a new video by Los Angeles music producer and ex-Scientologist Tiziano Lugli. We’ve shown some of his previous efforts that feature ex-church members talking about Scientology. But none of them have quite had the impact of this four-minute film.

We expect that regular readers of this website will recognize most of the people who appear. Some of them are less familiar. All of them are telling their own stories. One face that we haven’t seen in Tiziano’s previous films is the one you see to the right. That’s Yannus Sufandi, the only person who appears in the video who was never a Scientologist. But if you read our story last month, you know that his nine-year relationship with dancer Manuela Oliveira ended when she decided to join Scientology’s “Sea Org” after spending only a few months in the church. The Sea Org takes total dedication. After Manuela signed its billion-year contract, she moved out, leaving Yannus wondering what he’d done wrong.

Let us know who you recognize in the video, and what you think of Tiziano’s latest effort. And please, play this at full screen…

 
For our new readers, here’s a still from the video of its maker, Tiziano Lugli…

 
Tiziano_Lugli_Detail

 
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Fight Brewing Over Tommy Davis Subpoena

We called Monique Rathbun’s attorney Ray Jeffrey to ask him about the latest in the big depositions brewing in Monique’s harassment lawsuit against the Church of Scientology. He said that because the church responded within three days, it was able to quash the subpoena which ordered former church spokesman Tommy Davis to be deposed on October 14. (Jeffrey explains that the quash is automatic in those initial days.) But Jeffrey now has a court date, October 8, during which he’ll get the opportunity to convince Judge Dib Waldrip to reinstate Tommy’s subpoena. Jeffrey says he also expects Scientology to try and quash the subpoena for Leah Remini, who has agreed to be deposed in Los Angeles on October 15, and Jeffrey says he’s prepared to fight for that one, too.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on October 4, 2013 at 07:00

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If you’d like to help support The Underground Bunker, please e-mail our webmaster Scott Pilutik at BunkerFund@tonyortega.org

 

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  • Johnny Tank

    I just saw this funny comment under Tiziano’s video. I don’t know if it’s been on here before:

    “this is a minor nit pick but i think it’s very disrespectful that David Miscavige doesn’t even have the courtesy to stand up when addressing the congregation at all those events. he’s always sitting behind some podium. i just don’t get it.”

    • Moorwalker

      Saw that. Brilliant.

    • i-Betty

      Yes, hilarious! And it must have been a Bunkerite because it was posted early on when Tony still had exclusivity. There are some very funny people here :)

  • KJP in Portland

    Yawn, zzzz, Time to retire. I’ll have my hours straightened around by Sunday…and Monday morning, the NEW job! G’night everyone. It’s my pleasure and honor to read here everyday. Damn addictions!

    • Johnny Tank

      It’s 4:30 in the AM over here. Am I addicted to the bunker: yes I am.

      Good night KJP!

      • i-Betty

        Yikes! It’s 04:18 here, but I’m still ‘cheerful’ on cocktails :D 5 more mins of trying to track down the comment of Aslan’s which I wanted to reply to before Disqus ate me, then I’m going to hit my bed :)

        • Johnny Tank

          I’m one hour ahead of you, just a little to the north :-)

          Things are winding down here now. We may be the only ones left… Think I will tuck in as well. See you tomorrow Betty!

        • ThetaBara

          If you lived here, there’d be a new post by now! (Assuming it was 4:18 and not 11:20, haha.)

    • Moorwalker

      Sleep well, KJP, and have a great week (I’m on vacation starting tomorrow — back next weekend sometime)!

      • Aslansown

        Have a great vacation!

        • Moorwalker

          Thanks, Aslan! I’ll miss this place. Keep a cheat sheet for me so when I come back I’ll get back up to speed quickly, ha!

          • Aslansown

            I’ll try my best, but thousands of posts a day will keep me really busy! I’ll have to have an IV drip of Diet Coke and prop my eyelids open, but I’ll try! ;-)

            • Moorwalker

              hahaha You’re the best :-)

            • Aslansown

              :D

            • noseinabk

              VACATION?? She is so getting a sec check when she gets back!

            • Aslansown

              I know! No one takes a vacation from the Bunker…no one.

            • Moorwalker

              You know, I was thinking earlier about how lonely I’ll be without this place, ha. Of course, when I made plans to go camping, it was before I opened my mouth in here. Now I sort of wish I’d gone to a beach hotel with wifi and cell service, instead.

            • Aslansown

              I know what you mean. I went on a vacation a couple of years ago without internet access and it was hard, and that was before I knew about Tony’s blog. Now if I went on vacation I think I’d really have withdrawal, but it would probably be good for me. The leaves and the creeks sound really neat, especially this time of year.

            • Moorwalker

              It should be very pretty, and both worky-outy (lots of hiking around) and laid-back.

              You’re from the midwest, aren’t you? I’m going to Brown County, Indiana. Pretty down there, and hopefully the leaves will be starting to change. The bad news is that there’s supposed to be some awful weather over the next 30 or so hours, including bad thunderstorms and a slight risk of tornadoes, so the tent may be… festive, ha.

            • Aslansown

              Yes I am. My friend and I keep talking about how we want to go to Brown County and then something else comes up. I hope the leaves will be good. I’m around Chicago and so far we haven’t seen too much.

              I hope you don’t run into bad weather being in a tent, especially anything approaching a tornado. My family used to go on marathon camping trips where we had to hold up the tent poles so the tent wouldn’t collapse with the wind and rain, so I hope the forecast is wrong.

            • Moorwalker

              There’s bound to be storms, but I love the sound of rain on a tent roof at night. Of course, it will mean no nighttime campfire tomorrow night, and a dinner of Cheetos and doughnuts, probably, but… mmmm, Cheetos and doughnuts.

            • Aslansown

              Mmmm…..cheetos and doughnuts. Now I’m really hungry!

            • Moorwalker

              Of course I’d planned on cooking a really healthy, delicious meal that first night, but you can’t argue with thunderstorms, you know. *shifty eyes*

            • Aslansown

              Exactly.

            • noseinabk

              I am in MD and for the last couple years the fall leaves thing is very fleeting. It has been so hot in Oct. that by the time the leaves change, If they even do, they are dropping a week later.

            • Moorwalker

              I used to live in Maryland… beautiful state. Are you familiar with the Point Lookout area? I had a little cottage down near there.

            • noseinabk

              Never heard of Point Lookout. We have stayed at Chesapeake beach and are familiar with Calvert Cliffs. We frequent Rock hall on the other side of the bay.

            • Moorwalker

              If you keep going south of Calvert Cliffs, down to where the Potomac meets the Bay, that’s Point Lookout.

            • noseinabk

              Then we have gone by boat and I didn’t even know. Cool. So you get my craving for md crabs obsession every time I see Aqua’s posts?

            • Moorwalker

              It’s possible that I make the best Chesapeake Bay blue crabcakes in the history of history. Possible.

            • noseinabk

              Nope. I do. Ha! For me it is all about no breading!

            • Moorwalker

              Ha! I see a crabcake cookoff at the eventual Bunker meetup!

            • noseinabk

              *squinting at you* I am sure yours are great. * big smile*

            • Moorwalker

              hahaha I think the Bunkerites wouldn’t much mind a crabcake cookoff. And yours have to be delicious — it takes extreme confidence in one’s crabcakes to make that boast in Maryland.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Years ago a friend took me for my one and only visit to Baltimore. We ate at a lunch counter in some market on the inner harbor. Crab cakes served on squares of wax paper. Pure ambrosia. I can hardly bear to eat any other crab cakes since…

            • noseinabk

              My extended family grew up in Maine. Every summer we went up and had lobster bakes and blueberry pie on the “beach”( all rocks). One summer my Uncle came to md and had crab cakes, and even though moving to NC, comes to MD every summer for crabs.

            • ThetaBara

              I have east coast relatives, and so have been to actual clambakes!
              OM NOM NOM! Also, Manhattan Style Clam Chowdah! Enough with the white sauce!
              Now I have a hankering for a Clamato Bloody Mary.

            • noseinabk

              That was probably Phillips seafood? If you loved that you would like the small local places even better.

            • Eclipse-girl

              are they for anyone? you are making me drool

            • BeverlyHillsBeer

              omg, Mwalker- you divulged!! You may expect the Squirrel buster Brigade that went to M Rathbun’s place in Corpus Christi, Texas. They know where you will be and MAY SHOW UP THERE !!! OMG !!! Be careful.

            • Moorwalker

              BHB, they’d have to do some hard looking to find me — I’m going the remote route, no campground.

              But really, I’d laugh awfully hard at the Squirrel Buster Brigade.

            • BeverlyHillsBeer

              I know, Mwalker- was kinda being tongue in cheek. But maybe it was more foot-in-mouth! I guess I shouldn’t even kid arond about that based on their history. Have a blast!! See you-

            • Casabeca

              My family went there a couple years ago…so lovely. Have a great time!

            • Robert Eckert

              Oh daddy won’t you take me back to Muhlenberg County, down by Green River, where Paradise lay?

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEy6EuZp9IY

            • noseinabk

              I chaperoned a school trip not long ago at a remote location. The only thing I dreaded was the bunker withdrawal. I had a half hour or less at night to run up to the office and check on the bunker enough just to get the gist of what was going on.
              That is my scary bed time story for tonight.

            • Aslansown

              That was scary! Now I’m going to have to keep the light on.

            • noseinabk

              Sorry. But it was 4 DAYS! I am still trying to get over it. :-)

            • Aslansown

              I recommend therapy. ;-)

            • noseinabk

              HAHAHAHA!!
              Fortunately for him, my hubby noticed my exhaustion and had a bottle of wine and a fire going in our fire pit outside. Most pathetic ending to a story ever…. I drank it all, had a good zone out by the fire and went to bed.

            • Moorwalker

              That’s a good husband, right there.

            • Moorwalker

              That is a scary bedtime story. But thankfully I’ll be back before the next trial date. This live-blogging from trials thing is fabulous.

            • ThetaBara

              We’ll still be here when you get back. I can’t guarantee that the Co$ and/or Miss Cabbage won’t have imploded (but probably not yet). But we’ll be here with our party clothes on!

            • Moorwalker

              Yes, grill me about the leaves and creeks!

      • BeverlyHillsBeer

        Will miss you, Mwalker.

        • Moorwalker

          Thanks, BHB — now that I’m a Bunkerite I need to camp only in places with stealable wifi.

          • i-Betty

            Heehee :D

      • i-Betty

        Have a lovely time, Moorwalker :)

        • Moorwalker

          Thanks, i-Betty :-) It should be both beautiful and exhausting — just what a vacation should be, ha.

          • i-Betty

            And full of lovely food! :))

            • Moorwalker

              Well… full of camping food. Which if you’re a vegetarian may not be as exciting as it sounds (although grilled spicy black bean veggie burgers aren’t bad, and neither is barbecued pineapple).

            • i-Betty

              I love camping food and I love veggie food, so I’m coming with you!

            • ThetaBara

              I think everything tastes better when you’re camping. Enjoy! We’ll keep your chair warm and hopefully there will be lots of good news when you return!

    • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

      mwah!

      I will continue drinking your share of the wine, because I am that generous!

    • i-Betty

      Ahh, sweet dreams KJ, sorry I missed you :)

      • Captain Howdy

        You’re the bees knees I Betty, you’re the one.

        • i-Betty

          Oh! Thank you, Cap’n. You’re rather special yourself :D

    • Robert Eckert

      See you in the morning!

  • Zana

    Donate. Donate. Donate!! Tony has lots of expenses… and I’m sure ol’ DM is trying to figure out how to get him as well. We get to protect Tony as best we can.

    This is AMAZING entertainment. !! The most amazing drama that is unfolding in the world today. True good vs. evil. White hats vs. black hats. Tony is a Hero bringing this all to the fore. Thank you, Tony!

    • Johnny Tank

      I tried hitting the ‘recurring’ button, but it was still only made out as a one time donation. Anything wrong with the PayPal form? You may want to get the looked at, Tony.
      Mike Rinder’s form worked for recurring donations.

  • i-Betty

    Sweet dreams, lovely, funny Bunkerites and Bunkerettes :) I don’t even want to think about the fact it is 5am and I have to be up in 3 hours. Tant pis! See you all tomorrow, and sleep well when you get there :)

    Helpline:

    1-866-XSEAORG – The call is completely free and can be made from any public telephone

    If you’re a Scientologist reading this and you are having doubts about your religion, whether it be the doctrine, the incessant, relentless regging, or the leadership, but are afraid to leave because it’s all you’ve known, or you’re afraid of what to expect on the ‘outside’, please give the number on Glibby’s sign (below) a call; it’s totally free. You can speak anonymously and in strict confidence to somebody who can help you, and will receive non-judgmental moral support, as well as real advice for setting up your new life and getting back on your feet.

    I promise you, the outside world isn’t the enemy. As in all walks of life, some people are idiots, but most people are kind, hard working, honest, loving individuals, just living their lives. Many, many people have already left Scientology and are living happy, fulfilling, peaceful lives filled with family and friends – old and new – who love them. They, too, felt your fears as they began their break away from the church. Some took a leap of faith and discovered that the landing was soft, welcoming and forgiving. Some needed to take baby steps. But they all moved in one direction: towards the door.

    For them, every day is now an adventure and they are the architects of their own lives.

    You may be feeling:

    Sadness and loss over saying “goodbye” to those ideals in the group you thought you could admire, the fellow members you thought were your true friends, or the time and money spent following something which turned out to be false…

    Fear, that this may have been your last hope for happiness, success, enlightenment, or your eternity; that you are no longer protected by the powers of your leader and are vulnerable to evil; that you will make bad decisions for yourself without the group’s guidance, or that you will be punished for leaving…

    Loneliness, at the thought of leaving intensive relationships, and now needing to reconnect with family and friends who live in a manner that your religion criticized…

    Confusion, about what to believe, and how to make good decisions for yourself and your future…

    Guilt, possibly associated with having broken ties to loved ones, or for having recruited others into Scientology…

    Shame, when realizing you were involved in an organisation that maybe made you behave in a way that you’re not proud of…

    If Auditing and Training are still important to you they are both available outside the church, but without any of the hoops attached which you are currently expected to jump through…it is cheaper, and there will be no sec checking.

    It might help you to hear stories from others who were in your exact same situation. There is a great website called The Big List That Left Scientology. Here is the link: https://sites.google.com/site/biglistthatleftscientology/ Click on the alphabetical letters across the top to find people you may have known, and to read some inspirational stories.

    Last, but by no means least, the Freeloader Debt is NOT legally enforceable – that means they can’t make you pay it.

    Call those numbers. It might just be the first step to the rest of your life.

    And call your family. Please. They never stopped loving you and hoping that one day you would come back to them. Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays are near. Give them a call, send them your love. No guilt, no shame.

    We wish you so much luck and love.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Get some rest, dearie. Gotta keep your strength up!

    • Aslansown

      I can’t believe you’re still awake!! Goodnight (or I guess I should say good morning!). See you in a few hours!

      • i-Betty

        Yaaaaaawn, hiccup! :)

    • Moorwalker

      Sleep well (as well as you can sleep for three hours)!

      • ThetaBara

        Is it 4am yet?!

    • noseinabk

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-XNXSCE-Ek

      You work too hard at the bunker! Hope you don’t hate patsy!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Nobody hates Patsy.

      • i-Betty

        I love Patsy, thank you! xxxxx

    • Eclipse-girl

      every day I see this and I AM SO EFFIN GRATEFUL .

      TY (and Glibby and others, for all that you do)

      • i-Betty

        Aww, I love you E-G :) What a lovely thing to say!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    It’s been a long day, and here there really ARE nearly 2000 posts! I did manage to view the video early this morning. Bravo! I await the day that getting comments from everyone who is out will make up a feature length film!

    • noseinabk

      I hope you reloaded to “best “so you could see all the new posters today. It was great to see the pride the ex’s take in being out.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I usually avoiding enturbulating Disqus, but I will tonight…

  • aurora50

    Was just imagining inviting all of you to a Halloween Party! would that not be EPIC!!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      A costume party, with everyone all in masks!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        And then we shoop it and show that the party was attended by 1,997 people. The same number as the posts in this thread!

        • noseinabk

          Just yesterday I was flipping channels and came across the show M.A.S.H.. I thought so many of the characters reminded me of the bunkerites.

      • aurora50

        Yes! The most epic Halloween party I ever gave, the invitation read:

        Come As You Have Been, Will Be or Always Wanted to Be…

        and I was renting a house with wall to wall carpet, so I wanted to serve punch not have a keg…so, I went to The Joy of Cooking and found a nice sounding tea-based recipe for Fish House Punch. Well. It was a dark and foggy night in our small town, and everyone had taken care with their costumes…very imaginatively…and that punch just knocked us into a different dimension…it was, well, epic!

        I have always loved and respected the traditions of that night; costuming up opens one to the spirits that walk…dangerous and exciting…

        so wish we could all gather; maybe next year we could have BunkerCon One!

    • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

      That would actually be fun. Its been ages since Ive been to a proper party

    • Room 101

      You know how many people are going to fight over who gets to be Xenu?

      • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

        I’m going to go as Shelley and hide behind the curtain all night.

        Wheres Shelley???

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Top prize ^^^

        • Room 101

          In that case, I’ll go as John Travolta and stay in the closet all night.

          • Moorwalker

            hahahahahahahaha

    • Eclipse-girl

      even though she is far younger than me, and taller than me, I would attempt (failing in that attempt) to be Jenna Miscavige HIll

      although I have always wanted to be a red head and that would be Claire Headley

    • ThetaBara

      I wanna be Leah! Or maybe Jenna!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    So… who will push this over 2000 in fact?

    • noseinabk

      ME me me..oh.. I got nuthin.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Me neither. But… eight posts worth of nothin’…?

        • noseinabk

          Oh well, only eight. I can do that.

        • noseinabk

          DDD ya know whats funny? One of my kids has those initials just because my hubby and I could not agree on a middle name.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Donna D. Dixon?

            Dagwood D. Dimsdale?

            Delia D. Dowd?

            Destiny D. deVil?

            David D. Davis?

            • noseinabk

              SMH. Thankfully way off.

            • Sherbet

              Davey Does Dirty

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Funny things is, I was NOT even thinking about “3D” when I came up with this name.

    • Missionary Kid

      A troll will bring out a quantity of comments.

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    Nailed it

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Ooh! I made it a Space Odyssey!

    • Moorwalker

      Let’s go for the sequel now!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    2010… the sequel.

    • Moorwalker

      Ta da!

    • Missionary Kid

      If you really want to get a lot of people posting, mention food. That brings out everyone.
      Another thing that would get people posting is a topic like, what is the silliest thing that you found yourself doing when you were “in.”

      • Room 101

        I try not to talk about telling certain ash trays about being a wild flower. While sober.

        • Verve

          :)

        • Missionary Kid

          :D

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        So, if an ex Sea Org member posted about the craziest thing they ever ate in Scientology, it would break Disqus?

        • HCO Chief

          Spaghetti noodles with custard. True story, I thought it was a cream sauce. As I was getting “routed in” to the Sea Org. And then some a-hole told me I was sitting in his seat, which would have been fine, but he just flat out said in his tired overworked German accent “you’re sitting in my seat”. Kinda rude.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I’ll just add that at one time, I was tricked into eating a dog treat thinking it was beef jerky. I would make the same mistake again today, because the reward of jerky far outweighs the risk of it being a dog treat.

            • i-Betty

              Hur hur :P

        • Missionary Kid

          *Looong chuckle* Naw. It was supposed to be just one thing per ex. ;-)

  • noseinabk

    For the very first time I find myself alone at the bunker. So I am gonna dork out and post my all time favorite song. All you need is a little tenderness. Just that little bit of humanity we show our still ins that we care. You never know if one little comment will encourage them to engage or shy away.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnPMoAb4y8U

    • Moorwalker

      And oddly enough, on the sidebar at youtube is “Why Leah Remini Left Scientology.”

      • aurora50

        Somehow, YouTube knows I come to The Bunker…how is that?

        • Robert Eckert

          YouTube knows what you have watched on YouTube, and recommends similar things, whether or not very relevant to your current vid.

          • aurora50

            well, that’s what I thought and I have watched Magoo and John Sweeney, etc…
            then I found this at the Wiki article, when I wondered who owns Disqus. I am just old enough that I don’t think about this, till I do. Then I probably think too much ;-)…

            “As with other embedded web widgets such as like buttons, the Disqus widget acts as a web bug which tracks a users activities, even when they are not logged in,
            across different sites that use the Disqus commenting system.
            Information tracked by Disqus.com, which may be disclosed to 3rd
            parties, includes pseudonymous analytics data such as a users IP address, their web-browser’s version and installed add-ons, and their referring pages and exit links.
            Although this data is referred to by Disqus as “Non-Personally Identifiable Information”, such data, when aggregated, has been shown to be usable for de-anonymizing users.

            Users wishing to avoid these issues may opt to install a privacy-enhancing web browser extension, such as Ghostery, NoScript, or DoNotTrackPlus, which identify widgets such as Disqus as web-bugs, and allows them to be blocked; this renders Disqus-powered commenting sections unviewable.

            Disqus has also been criticized for publishing its registered users’
            entire commenting histories, along with a list of connected blogs and
            services, on the publicly viewable user profile pages. The option to keep profile activity private was later added.

            Disqus also has been criticized for not giving users control over who
            follows them. Any user can follow any other user, but a user being
            followed cannot control or block who is following them. This allows the system to easily be misused for harassment purposes.”

    • Sherbet

      Lovely. Goodnight.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I love OTIS and Jackie Wilson. TYVM

      • 1subgenius

        Jackie Wilson is buried not far from me in a “potter’s field”.

        A “potter’s field” is where they bury people whose families are too poor to make any other arrangements.

        “Initially, he was buried in an unmarked grave at Westlawn Cemetery near Detroit. In 1987, a fundraiser collected enough money to purchase a headstone.”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Wilson#Death

        • BeverlyHillsBeer

          Keereist- Jackie Wilson wound-up in a Potter’s Field. I **never** woulda believed that. Too sad.

          • 1subgenius

            Of no consolation to him, he has the best headstone in the place.

    • ThetaBara

      I’m a bit late to the party, but I hear you about showing humanity and kindness. This is something I always focus on during raids. I may (ok, DO) Joke & Degrade here, but I’d never do it in person.

      SF Anon is all about the love! Check out our Staturday raid:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0gRMNTlLGg

      • 1subgenius

        Thank you for doing that.

        • ThetaBara

          Not to be too schmoopy, but Tiziano’s video is TOTALLY Why.
          And, you are welcome. :-)
          We are truly trying to come from a place of love and welcoming. Who would respond to anything else? And: we do care, or why bother?
          I think the Staturday raids might be a unique opportunity to reach out to staff and SO and I want to make the most of it.
          I do a lot of micro-activism, and online activism like poons, Actually leaving the house is kind of a PITA and it takes up a lot of time too. But, I also think there is no substitute for showing up. We had some great interactions with random folks wandering by, and got a lot of positive feedback, which was awesome. I do think most of the public folks get it. It also offers opportunities to interact with people who might otherwise just believe whatever they are told. That’s scary to me. I’m not necessarily smart enough to talk someone out of joining – but – I might be the only person even trying. So I better do my best!
          Scary! But also, Why.

          • 1subgenius

            With love we cannot fail.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I don’t know you other than from what you post here, but I would say that you are smart enough to talk someone out of joining. So why would you believe that you cannot? And even just being there is dissuading people from walking in, right? At least warning them that this is bad news.

            • ThetaBara

              Thank you. The thing is, I have, what, maybe three minutes to try to convince this guy not to believe everything they tell him. Might work, might not. Hopefully it worked and I won’t see him rushing in on Staturday in a couple of months. But that kind of encounter totally keeps me going.

          • BeverlyHillsBeer

            Muchisimo love waves to you, TB !!!

          • i-Betty

            You’re spectacular.

            • ThetaBara

              That’s just my hair. ;-)

      • Bob

        I came to this late, but very cool.

      • i-Betty

        Gulp! Just finished reading the ‘About’ on this video. Talk about undermining the cult with kindness and chilled out tunes. Beautiful.

      • BeverlyHillsBeer

        Great!!, TB- you guys are like a fault line under the SF org.!! Sending you love waves!!! Rock on!

    • 1subgenius

      Otis Redding was 26 years old when he died.
      26 years old.
      I still find that impossible to comprehend.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Just days after recording what would be his greatest hit, too. I think of that every time I hear Dock of the Bay.

        • 1subgenius

          I try to remember what I had going on, or had accomplished at age 26.

          • i-Betty

            I was still a kid! I felt like an adult, but I was a kid in terms of life experience. 26, wow.

            • 1subgenius

              The guy had come from nothing, written all those songs, been all around the world, and, had that voice.
              Sounds like the voice of a thousand years of experience.

  • Kitz

    Good gods people…. I’m gone for most of the day, and y’all explode with comments. *Sigh*

  • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

    Ok bunkerites and ettes. time for IBBy to take her ass to bed. Why am I speaking in third person? I’m drunk. Its KJPs fault. I think.

    Thanks for a great day! see you tomorrow!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Sleep well.

    • i-Betty

      Heehee!

  • Artoo45

    Tizio rocks! What a powerful little film.

  • dbloch7986

    Now that I’ve left the cult I can be happy!

    I discovered 6th street last night. Amazing! I love Austin. I found a gorgeous one bedroom. It’s right across the street from the green belt! I am just waiting to hear back on the application.

    Now I am back in Tyler, with my Aunt. Resting. As the word slowly leaks out to my local family that I am here in Texas.

    Tiziano, this video is fucking great. Thank you!

    For the record, and this may be controversial to some, smoking weed was central to overcoming the thought-programming in Scientology. The first time I got high, my first thought…well actually i STOPPED thinking for once in my life. All the voices of cognitive dissonance in my head shut up for once. Then when I reflected on the experience, I realized that it actually made me feel better and that auditing didn’t. Put that on my headstone! LOL

    Looking forward to some thunderstorms tomorrow. Weather.com said “strong” thunderstorms. YAY!

    • EnthralledObserver

      Whilst acknowledging what I think you were trying to express, and honoring that, the Mummy part of me wants to share:
      Don’t take any drugs that aren’t necessary and prescribed by a Medical doctor – just don’t. Call me prude, or square, or whatever, but recreational drugs aren’t the answer. Just thought it needed saying.

      • ThetaBara

        He was in California. How do you know it wasn’t prescribed by an MD, perhaps for anxiety?

        • EnthralledObserver

          I thought that was obvious that I don’t know… don’t start your shit with me.

          • ThetaBara

            I’m not starting any shit. Derek said it helped. I’m just pointing out that it very well could have been prescribed. Why don’t you lay off?

            • EnthralledObserver

              Fuck off.

            • ThetaBara

              Yes ma’am.

    • Natalia M

      Love 6th street and the Austin bats!

    • Sydjazz

      Congrats on leaving. :) how long were you in and what made you leave? Besides pot hehe

      • i-Betty

        Derek’s story is one of the most heartbreaking you will hear, Sydjazz…and his recovery one of the most inspiring, too :) That’s why you’ll notice many people around here being rather protective and fiercely parental! His real family are lost to him, still locked up inside the walls of scientology, so there are many here who have taken on that role as much as they can.

        He’s very dear to a lot of people.

        Here is his Youtube channel where he talks movingly about leaving scientology, and why:

        http://www.youtube.com/user/dbloch7986?feature=watch

        You will love him, too :)

        • BeverlyHillsBeer

          DB7 is a terrific guy! His videos are grand!! Thank you for sharing the link, IB. DB7′s story that he relates in his videos is so very illuminating. And heart-rending. Love you DB- good luck in your move !!!

          • i-Betty

            Oh, bless you :)

        • Sydjazz

          I did. Just want to give him a hug

    • aboutandout

      Derek I am so glad you are settling in. My thoughts are with you and I wish you success in all of do. ((HUGS)) I look forward to your updates.

    • Sydjazz

      Checked out your videos and want to give you a big hug

  • Sibs

    I just got back from Hollywood (I had a thing at the Academy… woohoo, name dropping! And then I saw a movie since the theatre was right there) I don’t usually drive around there because I live in another part of the LA area now, but tonight when I was about to get back onto the freeway I finally realized I was looking at… which Scientology building is it? All I know is that all the sudden I recognized the shape and all I could think about was the story of the girl who had to sleep on the roof as a part of her RPFs. Scary.

    • dbloch7986

      Sounds like Celebrity Center if it was near the 101? The big blue buildings are further away from the freeways and pretty recognizable.

    • Exterrier

      Yes, that was Celebrity Center. A very interesting rooftop patio up on top of the old Chateau Elise. It is actually a very impressive clubhouse. I could go on about it, and my experience and observations, having had that be my Scn home for a few years as a public. I actually had some good times, or interesting times there, til the dark undercurrents got to be too strong and almost pulled me out like a dangerous rip tide. Whew.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Posted Tiziano’s vid on both FB and Twitter.

    I don’t have a lot of friends or followers on either,
    but I do have a lot of lurkers.

    Love.

    • Missionary Kid

      In spite of your rough visage, you’re one of the kindest people here.

      I hope people get the message.

      • DodoTheLaser

        They will.

        Thank you, MK.

        Also, people should stop blowing my cover! :)
        I can be really ruthless and brutal (when I play guitar).

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s the time to be ruthless.
          I was too poor and lazy to go to Monterrey to see the pop festival, so I missed Hendrix, but I got to see Stevie Ray Vaughn several times. The first time was in a little bar he dropped in on after a performance. I didn’t really know who he was. It was mind altering. He took a pretty good bar band and elevated them into the stratosphere for one night.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Stevie Ray Vaughn was phenomenal. His legacy still is. Thanks for sharing!

            Check this kid out:

            Joe Bonamassa “Woke Up Dreaming”
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5B3FYUBPyo
            P.S. If the sound bar muted – it’s youtube’s recent glitch, just mouse slide it to the right.

            • Missionary Kid

              Joe is phenomenal. I’ve seen him on TV a number of times on cable. He kicks ass.

              I remember that when I saw Stevie in concert that Double Trouble sounded like 4 guitars and drums, they put out so much sound. At one point in a set, the other guitarist and drummer slowly dropped out, and, finally, all that Stevie was doing was banging on his guitar.

              He then proceeded to play the guitar in a more and more complex manner, finally being joined by the other members of double trouble.

              I realized that what he’d done is deconstructed music to it’s simplest essence, and then put it all together again. It was an education in music.

              I think that if I could have seen him together with Clapton at his last concert that I’d of died a happy man.

            • DodoTheLaser

              You Sir, on top of being a pilot and a great cook, also know the real music and I salute you!

              Also, “WokeUpDreaming” is such a good title/name in many ways… I would totally use it here, if wasn’t DodoTheLaser. :)

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m just old enough and lucky enough to have happened to hear some really outstanding musicians. It’s also that we appear to have much the same taste.

              “Woke up dreaming” could have an entire series of novels written around the phrase.

            • DodoTheLaser

              And a Hollywood produced movie, perhaps.

              Pleasure to know you, even if only here, Missionary Kid.

            • Missionary Kid

              Likewise. I’ve appreciated your kindness and understanding that you’ve shown towards the people who need it here.

              I’m hoping that the end to Co$’s will come soon, so we can all bypass our avatars.

            • DodoTheLaser

              We will.

            • ThetaBara

              That is going to be the SP party to end all SP parties! I hope I can get to it!

            • Missionary Kid

              What would be neat is if we could rent the abandoned Flag or Ft. Harrison or one of the California locations for it.

              That is, if the Exes could stand it.

        • i-Betty

          Heehee, superb! :D

    • Sydjazz

      This i like

  • Nevermore

    Helpline:

    1-866-XSEAORG – The call is completely free and can be made from any public telephone

    If you’re a Scientologist reading this and you are having doubts about your religion, whether it be the doctrine, the incessant, relentless regging, or the leadership, but are afraid to leave because it’s all you’ve known, or you’re afraid of what to expect on the ‘outside’, please give the number on Glibby’s sign (below) a call; it’s totally free. You can speak anonymously and in strict confidence to somebody who can help you, and will receive non-judgmental moral support, as well as real advice for setting up your new life and getting back on your feet.

    I promise you, the outside world isn’t the enemy. As in all walks of life, some people are idiots, but most people are kind, hard working, honest, loving individuals, just living their lives. Many, many people have already left Scientology and are living happy, fulfilling, peaceful lives filled with family and friends – old and new – who love them. They, too, felt your fears as they began their break away from the church. Some took a leap of faith and discovered that the landing was soft, welcoming and forgiving. Some needed to take baby steps. But they all moved in one direction: towards the door.

    For them, every day is now an adventure and they are the architects of their own lives.

    You may be feeling:

    Sadness and loss over saying “goodbye” to those ideals in the group you thought you could admire, the fellow members you thought were your true friends, or the time and money spent following something which turned out to be false…

    Fear, that this may have been your last hope for happiness, success, enlightenment, or your eternity; that you are no longer protected by the powers of your leader and are vulnerable to evil; that you will make bad decisions for yourself without the group’s guidance, or that you will be punished for leaving…

    Loneliness, at the thought of leaving intensive relationships, and now needing to reconnect with family and friends who live in a manner that your religion criticized…

    Confusion, about what to believe, and how to make good decisions for yourself and your future…

    Guilt, possibly associated with having broken ties to loved ones, or for having recruited others into Scientology…

    Shame, when realizing you were involved in an organisation that maybe made you behave in a way that you’re not proud of…

    If Auditing and Training are still important to you they are both available outside the church, but without any of the hoops attached which you are currently expected to jump through…it is cheaper, and there will be no sec checking.

    It might help you to hear stories from others who were in your exact same situation. There is a great website called The Big List That Left Scientology. Here is the link: https://sites.google.com/site/… Click on the alphabetical letters across the top to find people you may have known, and to read some inspirational stories.

    Last, but by no means least, the Freeloader Debt is NOT legally enforceable – that means they can’t make you pay it.

    Call those numbers. It might just be the first step to the rest of your life.

    And call your family. Please. They never stopped loving you and hoping that one day you would come back to them. Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays are near. Give them a call, send them your love. No guilt, no shame.

    We wish you so much luck and love.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Also, getting in touch with a trained former scientologist is like a getting a correction list,
      except it’s free and you get to keep your eternity. The wins will stay with you. So as your friends.

    • Exterrier

      Awesome post, Nevermore. I’m going to try to save this on file, to send to a few good people I know who really could break badly if the organization ever crumbled rapidly before their eyes,

      • i-Betty

        Exterrier, thank you! Please also feel free to send out the (original artwork) signs made by Glibwog. They are simple, beautiful, and to the point :)

        (Refresh for a small selection)

        • Eclipse-girl

          Where is the UK number?

          a member DRAT would like it

          • ThetaBara

            I believe it turned out to be disconnected. (ugh! no pun intended!)
            However Chuck posts here on the regular and can be contacted via comments.

          • i-Betty

            Argh! I completely got sidetracked from tracing a UK number, sorry E-G. I’d got as far as leaving messages with a couple of promising places after the UK number we were using turned out to be a private home now – whether it was once a cult helpline number and got reassigned I’m not sure. I must get back on that on Monday :)

  • Xique

    What a fantastic video Tiziano Lugli. It also reminded me how much I love your other one , “Shit Scientologists Say”. Bravo!

  • Anonymous Confused Person

    I teared up when the little toddler girl blew a kiss to the camera. I am so happy that she has a mother who knows that she can devote herself to her upbringing, and not leave her with strangers in order to support a cult.

    • ThetaBara

      I wish Monkey’s sister could see it and wake up to what she’s missing out on.

  • FingersCrossed

    Can anyone tell me the name of the elderly man in this video? It’s driving me batty. :P

    • Sherbet

      Michael Fairman. The one talking about selling a kidney? He’s an actor.

      • FingersCrossed

        Thank you!!

  • Dean Fox

    Wish there were credits, obviously I recognise and name some but some I can recognise but not name and some I’m not sure about.

  • FromPolandWithLove

    Looooong time lurker ( since Village Voice days), first time poster. I can recognize most of people in Tiziano’s film and I’m proud of it :). Those people are my heros. Mike’s Rinder line in the car about calling 911 — LOL :)

  • http://www.singleape.com/ steven

    The weed smokin’ chick is still weird.

  • allioops

    Thanks aquaclara….The whole lawyer thing is so exhausting, stressful, and depressing..In my paranoia; I often feel that the COS is telling him to continue to wear me down with continual threats about future income, and loss of health insurance. The cruelty is stupendous!

  • allioops

    to KLP; it is a wonder how a human can become so cold. I cannot fathom it.

  • allioops

    thanks to i-Betty, and all. The lawyer advise is the correct thing, of course. But it is SOOOOOOOOO expensive here in NYC. As I had explained. I have the house (as wrecked as I am) so I am not entitled to any financial aid. Owning a home in NYC means I am “wealthy.”
    I have proof that he spent over 1 million while we we married in credit cards. The rest he gave them in cash. he has his own business and makes $ in cash and checks……easy for him to hide $.

    • ThetaBara

      You still might find it worthwhile to look into free legal aid. Good luck with it. What a load of bollocks!

  • allioops

    thanks – still-on-your -side. I also have a bro who is a lawyer. But he is a busy guy, and has his own stuff. I hate to bother him. I did e-mail him. lets see.

  • allioops

    Dear Deeana, I do have maintenance. He just is threatening me that he may not have any more money. He also wants to not pay for health insurance. I am 65. The medicare is nominal. The fact is that it is still expensive enough to be a hardship to me.
    The point is, he is crying poverty; while I know he probably just came back from Flag and was given a horse and pony show to get him to “donate” more cash to them!

    • John P.

      I am not a lawyer. I’m certainly not a divorce lawyer. But I can be a very devious son of a bitch, and when people piss me off, I grind them down until they scream in pain. And then I keep grinding. I have been through a divorce that cost me plenty, but it was not all that adversarial, so I can’t recommend a badass divorce lawyer that will grind your ex into cockroach food.

      But that said, “pleading poverty” is bullshit. If your ex had enough to loot $2 million from the marital estate and give to the cult, he has enough to pay for your insurance and to handle other things that you need. It sounds like his problem is not income, but the fact that the vampires are sucking him dry. At the end of each month, they have gotten every loose penny, so it is probably mathematically accurate that he doesn’t have the money to pay you what you need the day before payday. On the other hand, it sounds like if he paid you at the beginning of the month before Scientology bled him dry, he’d have more than enough. Seems to me this case is hardly any different from a guy who pleads poverty because he’s paying off the hair plugs and the Porsche that he got after the divorce so he could troll for chicks half your age.

      I might suggest a different approach from trying to get a little quiet advice from a respectable divorce lawyer. You might want to cast about locally and talk to lawyers you know and ask who is the biggest, most over-dramatizing sleazebag in the divorce bar, someone that they would not only never want to stare down in a courtroom but would never let anyone they cared about play golf with the guy. A real ambulance chaser. If you catch the attention of somebody like that with the sleaze in this case — your ex is shoveling $10,000 per month into the oh-so-tacky cult called Scientology and can’t pay your dental insurance — he might see real opportunity to gain headlines by some major grandstanding. And you may be able to get him to take the case partially on contingency. This is how a lot of those big-name lawyers operate: they take the “showcase” clients at a discount to bring in lots of non-showcase clients that charge full boat. The attorneys for O.J. Simpson knew he was almost bankrupt when he killed Ron Goldman and his ex-wife. They took him for all he had, but they more than made up for the discount by never having to troll for a client again.

      It’s just a thought, and while my divorce lawyer is a pretty brutal negotiator, he’s not the right kind of guy, and he probably doesn’t live in your state. Do with this what you will. But please accept my best wishes that you’re able to pursue the matter and improve your situation through your efforts.

      • ThetaBara

        I <3 you, JP!
        FWIW, Alli says she is in NY.
        Also, speaking of OJ, did you see the look of utter disbelief on Robert Kardashian's face when the acquittal was announced?

      • i-Betty

        I would want you on my side in a fight :)

  • allioops

    To answer some of your curiosity State of circle. I was introduced to the cult in 1977; while dating my soon to be husband (now known as the “wasband.”) At that time to Org was uptown, near Lincoln center. Very old building. I was even present when the NYPD came in to check it out. I don’t know why.
    Anyway, the present building, near T Square used to be a Seventh Day Adventist Church. (wish it still was one)
    I did many courses and had much auditing there. The building had roaches, vermin, and the “nursery” was disgusting. It had been quite filthy in my experience. The staff were really a mixture of young, some middle aged, one or two elderly. Most had a great deal of “case.” Actually, looking back, they were very screwy.
    I was treated like a fool. Most of the dealings about my “handling” were directed to the husband, not me.
    There were some S O. There is an ASHO in NYC. Or there was while I was involved.
    As for walk-ins. Most of the street traffic in that area are TOURISTS! They want to see a theater performance, not the antics of a “sideshow” of deficient cult followers.
    People who live in NYC are pretty savvy as to the workings of this cult. Of course, as PT Barnum said: There is a sucker born every minute. That is what they depend on. right?
    The last several years of my marriage, the wasband was CS, Purif CS, Reg, and even In Charge of the LI ORG.
    That is an entire different section of Hell.
    It is NOT WORTH anyone’s time to explore any orgs, even the NYC ones. It is all the same mishugganah stuff. (that is ancient Greek for Crazy)

    • ThetaBara

      Thanks for telling your story. Glad you are out. I hope the wasband (LOL!) does the right thing.

  • allioops

    Dear Theta Bara, I am awaiting to hear from my Bro, the upstate NY lawyer. Thanks again, love, allioops

  • allioops

    Dear John P, wow, such compassion, and such an insightful answer. I will think about what you said…
    I really appreciate your thought and caring. Be well to you and yours, always. Love, al

  • Heywood Jablowme

    SO AWESOME. Like everyone else, the silent birth bit caught me off guard and was hilarious.