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Scientology and Nation Of Islam Education Hucksters Marching on Sacramento!

Alfreddie Johnson behind Louis Farrakhan and singer Stacy Francis at a Scientology Hollywood Celebrity Centre event, circa 2006

Alfreddie Johnson behind Louis Farrakhan and singer Stacy Francis at a Scientology Hollywood Celebrity Centre event, circa 2006

Last year, Drew Harwell of the Tampa Bay Times described a nightmare scenario — a collection of Scientology and Nation of Islam hucksters who had teamed up to bleed dry a charter school in Dunedin, Florida.

They had been sent out to Florida by Alfreddie Johnson’s Scientology front group, the World Literacy Crusade, and were led by WLC’s executive director, Hanan Islam, who told parents and teachers not to worry, she wouldn’t “push any religion” on the kids.

But soon enough, pupils at the Life Force Arts and Technology Academy were being herded into Scientology events at the Tampa org. Their course materials, meanwhile, were heavy on “Study Tech” from Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.

And even after the failing school had filed for bankruptcy, Islam made sure to siphon off tens of thousands of dollars in taxpayer money for the World Literacy Crusade back in California.

After Harwell’s devastating series of articles in the Tampa Bay Times, the school was shut down and Hanan Islam and the World Literacy Crusade were run out of town on a rail.

It wasn’t the first time Alfreddie’s front group had made news for dubious behavior. In 2008, Los Angeles Sheriff’s deputies were called in when about 100 angry people were protesting outside the World Literacy Crusade’s office because they had been sold vouchers for low-cost housing — some for up to $1,500 — which turned out to be fakes.

Always helping the little guy, that WLC.

Alfreddie Johnson is usually credited with bringing Isaac Hayes into Scientology, as well as forging the bizarre link between Scientology and Minister Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam. (For several years, Farrakhan has promoted 1950-era Dianetics to his followers, but despite that length of time, we haven’t seen much evidence that the two organizations are actually merging.)

And now, Alfreddie’s selfless group of do-gooders is heading to Sacramento on Tuesday, and we thought folks there should know.

Alfreddie and you-know-who

Alfreddie and you-know-who

It was bad enough that the gravy train in Florida was ruined by Harwell and the Times. Now those meddling journalists at CNN and their big investigation about Medi-Cal drug rehab fraud in California are apparently messing with some other pipeline of easy money that the World Literacy Crusade was sucking dry.

According to its website, WLC offers drug rehab services modeled on Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon. But with California’s regulators suddenly freaking out over the CNN investigation, World Literacy Crusade’s vitamins-and-sauna racket has apparently suffered a loss in taxpayer money.

And that’s just a step too far! So Alfreddie and the gang are going up to Sacramento in a couple of vans on Tuesday to show the politicians there that they’re hopping mad and they’re not going to take it anymore!

Here, read about it yourself in this call to action. This message was first posted at the World Literacy Crusade’s Facebook page, and then it was re-posted by Alfreddie Johnson, who helpfully added some names in brackets…

We are under attack! Substance abuse services are illegally being withheld from the youth of black and brown communities!!

Mtg set for Tues at 3pm. 1500 Capitol Ave, (corner of 15th and Capitol) 6th. Floor Rm. 72.426. Sacramento

Rev. [Alfreddie] Johnson, Min. Tony Muhammad and I, [Dr. Hanan Islam] will go to Sacramento to meet with our State Reps.

Two vans full of supporters will be coming. We need political muscle, our clergy reps, community activists, parents, educators and anyone else who cares about the future of our youth to show up to initiate query into why so many black agencies are being Shut down and treated as criminals prior to any wrong doing being proven?

Why are youth being denied drug and alcohol services which are federally protected, entitlement programs without any legislature being initiated?

Why are parents of our clients being asked by medi-cal investigators what their immigration status is?

This is NOT about the so-called “Investigation into Med-cal Fraud” that is being spun in the media and at the end of the day those who are most vulnerable are the voiceless youth dying in our community on a regular basis!!

We take our job seriously. We only exist to serve and unfortunately the 500 youth we have been servicing are suffering along with those serviced by 21 other agencies who have been “Temporarily Suspended” with no funding to deliver!! where is all the money going that has been withheld from these agencies?

Shields for families is the largest program in our area and they refer youth suffering from substance abuse to us!

Where are these babies supposed to go?

Pass the word. Tweet, post on FB, blog, announce it from the pulpit, hour radio/TV show, get the word out to anyone with a voice. Call their State assemblyman, Senators and Congressman to ask them to ask the tough questions of the State Dept of Health Services. They are ignoring our questions, so someone must speak on behalf of these children!

Go to findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov and put your zip code in. Take ACTION!

 
Now, we certainly do not like to hear that people who need drug rehab services are being denied care. But given the track record of Alfreddie Johnson and Hanan Islam, we would be absolutely shocked if anything in the World Literacy Crusade’s message was even remotely close to the truth.

But still! A march on Sacramento! In bow ties and with e-meters! Well, maybe not e-meters. But we only wish we could be there to see two vanloads of angry Scientology and Nation of Islam hucksters hit up California politicians about this stuff. That’s gotta be a party.

 
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Monique Rathbun Hearing Update

For those who enjoyed seeing Debbie Cook testify about “The Hole” last year in San Antonio, we have some bad news. We’ve been told that Judge Dib Waldrip will allow cameras in the courtroom for Thursday’s hearing in Monique Rathbun’s lawsuit against the Church of Scientology, but not for witness testimony.

We think you’ll still get a pretty thorough report on what gets said in the courtroom, but there’s nothing like videotaped testimony, and we’re disappointed about this decision.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 9, 2013 at 07:00

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  • ThetaBara

    Pretty funny to see NOI or COS involved in a “crusade.”
    Perhaps “funny” isn’t quite the right word for it. One of these things is not like the others.

  • Krew13

    Alfreddie Johnston – a classic Uncle Tom if there ever was one. Fucking punk.

    • GlibWog

      Punk is right..Krew.. Puke

    • j238

      As a Sci dupe, there’s no need to subject the guy to personal insults.

      • DamOTclese2

        He’s not a Scientology dupe, he appears to be an actual criminal who knows that he’s committing frauds against us.

      • ThetaBara

        He’s getting a percentage.

  • GlibWog

    Awww disappointed that Witness testimony won’t be taped.. in Mosey’s courtroom. ..
    we’ll live Tony.. it’s ok..in the Grande scheme of things.

    Alfreddie Johnson and Hanan Islam, you should be ashamed of yourself.

    Tom Cruise You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Stacy F .. Haven’t liked you since day one when you lied on X factor. .. and being piece of work with Leah
    You should be ashamed of yourself too..

    Good Morning everyone.. Going to bed! Glibby…

    • coonellie

      Cruise, ashamed…sigh. That just doesn’t cognate ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • GlibWog

        OHHHH I know coonellie.. What was I thinking..?
        Ain’t no shame in his game Yaw’all

        • coonellie

          Exhaustion makes us say strange things! You get a big pass! Especially since your heart is always in the right place!

          • GlibWog

            awwwwwwwwwwwww coonie.. how sweet… xoxoxo OK off to dream about the
            Evil Cult Goiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing Dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn … Yea Baby!

            • coonellie

              I hope with all my heart that your insomnia goes away and you really get a fabulous night’s sleep! You deserve it! I used to sleep like a brick (or a log, or whatever inanimate object comes to mind) and then I had Baby C ;). No one warned me…no one!!! I haven’t slept in years…years…years…and now I tell her that I won’t babysit her children when she has twins (they run on both sides). She gets very angry when I say that and then says very loudly, “I’m NEVER getting married and I’m NEVER having children.” Yeah, right ;).

            • GlibWog

              Awwwwwwwwwwww thanks Coon.. You would think that I would just walk around exhausted.. but actually I am the opposite…that is why it is hard for me to unwind and let go.. I have an active mind…hard to shut off.

              I do take a nap here and there..I always give in when I have to.. I’m used to it.. thank you…

              hahaha that would be fabulous payback huh? Your daughter with twins.. OK I promise that is it……..BBL Have fun in the Bunker!

            • richelieu jr

              I have had terrible insomnia since I was a child. Two years ago I stopped sleeping for three months and it was a very bad time, I can tel you. I started having seizures…

              See a specialist.A t the very least they’ll knock you out for a while so you avoid serious long term consequences.

            • WildaBeast

              Jesus, richelieu…three MONTHS? I am so, so sorry. How did your body even stay upright that long? I went six days once, and physically collapsed on a street corner. I honest to God had no idea that the human body could survive that long without sleep. Is it better now? Like, have the doctors been able to help you at least get a few hours a night? Sleep is so precious, and one never realizes just how precious it is until one can’t bloody do it (or sees someone one cares for who can’t).

            • richelieu jr

              Well, the thing was, I usually only get about three hours, and different from most insomniacs, that’s quite enough for me and I feel fine (or used to)…
              So my body was still getting some sleep, it would just shut down (sometimes while I was driving, which was so not cool… Once my GF had to drive us down winding mountain roads and she doesn’t drive!). I started having epileptic seizures and waking hallucinations that I new weren’t real, but which I would actually see in front of me…
              So it is inaccurate to say I was getting no sleep at all I often had the impression of being continuously awake and someone would say, ‘No, you passed out for about 45 seconds there…
              I don’t recommend it, but the funny ting is I would start making excuses and undermining my own efforts to go to sleep, spill something, then I had to clean it, then the sponge, then I’d see the dishes, etc, etc…
              I’m better now thanks, but every time I skip a night’s sleep I start to panic a little that it is starting again.

            • ThetaBara

              Well that certainly puts my pissant insomnia into perspective! I’m so glad you got through it! Damn.

            • WildaBeast

              I’m glad to know you’re better now, hon. You know that expression, “Sleep is for the weak”? I always add to it, “…and I am weak!”

            • GlibWog

              Rich..OMG 3 months.. Damnit.. I am so sorry about having the seizures..

              I always say I have insomnia..because people know that it has something to do with having trouble sleeping and once asleep .. staying asleep.

              When I did go to a specialist …( years ago) Sleep Clinic ..

              What I actually have is a Delayed Sleep Phase. I just have trouble getting to sleep due to an Anxiety disorder .. I am on medication ( for the anxiety) but does override the medication when I need to go to sleep.

              So for me to claim Chronic Insomnia.. It’s more like the Circadian Rhythm Disorder..

            • ThetaBara

              IDK, I said that too, and while I’ve been married (twice! And I think I got it right this time!) there are DEFO no kids coming.

    • tetloj

      bedtime? What timezone are you posting from?

      • GlibWog

        Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn…..Eastern..
        I am an insomniac Tet.. ( all my life..)

        I sleep when I crash… Usually stay up all night and get sleepy around 8 am … and lay there and try to sleep..

        It’s a pain in the Ass

        • WildaBeast

          That sucks Glibby ๐Ÿ™ My wife has insomnia too and yeah…often she’ll zonk out around 6-8am. What is it with sunrise being sleepytime for insomniacs? Maybe it’s just the circadian rhythms are all wonky for ya’ll. Anyway, you sleep well, and dream of pretty things, okay?

          • 1subgenius

            Electric lights.
            Go camping for a week.

          • GlibWog

            Well Thanks Wilda.. Yes.. actually 6-8 is my time too… ( To at least try )

            It sucks now because of the Bunker.. I start off early .. and the crowd is just waking up and then I go to sleep while everyone is having fun …

            and when I come back the majority has bitten the dust.. : / Bunch of wimps ( ha)

            and I know your wife has adjusted to a regular schedule when need be..

          • Jon Hendry

            I tend to wake up at sunset.

        • 1subgenius

          Not that I pretend to know the cause of your sleep patterns, but I found this interesting recently.

          Segmented, or “two sleeps” used to be a norm historically.

          “The human circadian rhythm regulates the human sleep-wake cycle of wakefulness during the day and sleep at night. Ekirch suggests that it is due to the modern use of electric lighting that most modern humans do not practice segmented sleep, which is a concern for some scientists.”

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmented_sleep

          • GlibWog

            sub.. that is weird I just read about tribes in Africa that practice segmented sleep. Well they don’t practice it that do it ( ha )

            and I thought.. Yep.. I would fit just right in there..

            Now that I am retired I sleep when I’m tired and wake up when I’m NOT.. So it actually works for me! Thanks Sub

            • 1subgenius

              There’s nothing wrong with that pattern.

              And most people who think they’re insomniacs, aren’t.

              Some even think they don’t sleep when they actually do.

              And some people who are unconscious and believe they slept, aren’t getting true restorative sleep.

              I’m looking into this “alternate day fasting” thing, which theoretically resets your metabolism, like doing without electric lights can reset your circadian cycles.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_fasting

              Interesting show about it on PBS recently.

            • GlibWog

              Very interesting sub…. If you do it let us know..

              I agree with everything you said. It just works for me. It works for my hubby too. He loves it when I’m asleep when he’s awake.. ( hahahhaa )

              We have never been joined at the hip.. so it just works for us.

        • ThetaBara

          I have a similar type of insomnia. My fucking brain will not shut up. Sometimes putting on music helps.

          • GlibWog

            I have so many relaxation tapes Theta.. and yes.. to quiet my brain is the trick!

  • Krew13

    Are Sciloons even aware how hilarious they look when they try to use rap to hoodwink new recruits? This shit still brings the lulz.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIGpLKn4KSI

    • GlibWog

      Keepin Scienloony Real Krew.. Come on now..

      • Krew13

        Oh fo’ sho! Tommy D and Davey M keepin’ it real 4 all da Sciloon homies out there! And Tommy C likes da laydeez fo’ sho! He’s 100% straight, yo!

        • GlibWog

          hahahha.. Word to ya MOTHA

    • D.Y.G.

      Well, the Mercedes is nice. Otherwise, I note a remarkable lack of bling and booty shakin’.

    • Pepsicat

      Ugh. This shit used to really piss me off. None of these kids would EVER make a substantial donation to the IAS. Only people who could remortgage their homes for the third time – in other words, the parents. Check out the screen shot at 1:36. It was either really cold in this room or people are covering their faces and bodies with a protective body language.

      • Interested

        I noticed that. Well done for getting just this shot. They don’t look happy.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Oh nooooooo, not for breakfast. This is cruel and unusual punishment. Where’s our resident lawyer?

      Alfreddie is one of those Ideal Snake Salesmen of scientology. And this little escapade sounds like it dances on the edge of a hate speech. But I’m still enjoying in memory the Sp Society’s going international convention which will conclude later today. I have to figure out Flick’r account for soooo many pictures which I know will show how to do events and conventions right! too much fun. Our Australian contingent, Whingey Bingey, is a delightful firecracker addition and most excellent photo poser.

      http://i41.tinypic.com/2csg9kh.jpg

      • 1subgenius

        I love these, and thank you.
        But it ain’t gonna happen. I have predicted that the cult will collapse tomorrow.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Always “tomorrow?”

          • 1subgenius

            Nope, I previously said Tuesday. And to be specific here I said tomorrow, as in tomorrow, Tuesday September 10, 2013.
            Count on it. Its all over but the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I shall head to my mountain top to await the end…

            • 1subgenius

              I don’t see why.

            • Douglas D. Douglas
            • 1subgenius

              I thought it was something like that, but since you’re not in the cult, I didn’t understand and still don’t.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Yeah, sometimes I’m too obtuse for my own good…

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              What time? I’ll make coffee or smoothies or margarita’s, depending on the time.

            • 1subgenius

              11:23 pm.

            • ThetaBara

              Sounds like ‘gritas.
              Personally I’m betting on after the Stupor Powers opening. And probably in court. But we can all sip Xenutinis in the meantime!

          • WildaBeast

            “Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love ya, tomorrow, you’re only a day aaawaayyyyy!”

    • Nevermore

      Nope, sorry, $ciloonery is just one of those things that makes all its members look and act like squares, even when they’re trying to be kool. No, especially when they’re trying to be kool!

    • Captain Howdy

      Scientology and rap are perfect for each other..fake religion meets fake music.

      • 1subgenius

        Quincy Jones’ from “Back on the Block”: “Rap….uuuhhhhhmmmmmm…….rap is here to stay.”

        Quincy Jones.

        There is good and horrible in all music genres.

        Kurtis Blow had John Tropea on his first album.

        And this guy, plays acoustic guitar and harmonica on his. And has Michael Franks is on the album. Why the fuck would Michael Franks be on a “rap” album..

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLnmHa_k3Y0

        So shut your pie hole about rap already. (I say with love.)

        • Captain Howdy

          Thanks SG. I knew if one person would respond to my comment it would be you.

          Did you ever hear the story about how the Butthole Surfers back in the day said they were going to put out a rap album as a side project? When the journalists asked why, Gibby replied ” Well, when punk came out everybody said it was shit and nobody could play an instrument or sing and it wasn’t even music.They were wrong about that because Rap is the REAL punk”

          • 1subgenius

            No, I hadn’t. Don’t really understand it either.

            I was thinking about the Butthole Surfers recently.

            Talk about apparently not caring about mass commercial success.

            Just name your band something that can’t be said in polite company. I guess they did say the name on some stations, maybe.

            “The Buttholes have a well-reported appetite for recreational drugs, an evident influence on their sound.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butthole_Surfers

            hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

            • Captain Howdy

              Due to my “life style” choices I have been living in one ghetto or another for the last 30 years and from what I’ve seen Hip-Hop culture/ethos has done more harm to African-American and other ethnic communities then crack or “institutionalized racism” ever did. Not to mention the corporations love it and find it much cheaper to produce and easier to control than rock’n’roll.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              There is much wisdom in that paragraph.

            • 1subgenius

              But some of it is great. And I get cheezed off when I hear someone say that a whole genre of music is bad or they don’t like a whole genre, whether it’s rap, country, or opera. And I hear this about those three in particular.

              It’s just not true. They’re not all bad, and the most one can validly say is that they don’t care for the stuff they’ve actually heard. It’s very much like stereotyping nationalities, or races.

              Much of what you’ve said, was said about rocknroll, ragtime, etc,and way before that even

              the waltz.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltz

              We agree that there is rap/hip hop that is horribly negative and stupid.

              Some, but not all.

              Plus, all labels for music suck.

              There are only two kinds of music. Good, and bad. That statement has been variously attributed to Richard Strauss, Duke Ellington, and probably numerous other musical figures, but it doesn’t matter who said it first — the important thing is that it’s true.

              ( http://www.kafalas.com/urbcol04.htm )

              “Hip-Hop culture/ethos has done more harm to African-American and other ethnic communities then crack or “institutionalized racism” ever did.”

              C’mon, I don’t believe you really believe that. You just feel really strongly about your opinion.

            • ThetaBara

              I call bullshit. Rap USED to be happy party music. And there is still positive, conscious hip-hop. You mean gagsta and commercial rap. Which IS bullshitness of the highest order. But you can’t just hang it on rap, any more than you can blame punk for what happened to punkers. It was a combination of factors, not the least being money and control – and crack. How can you even say rap was worse than crack? Dox or STFU.

      • DamOTclese2

        There is no such thing as “rap music.”

    • DamOTclese2

      Scientology appears to be able to rook and swindle rubes only in areas where Internet access is minimal and where education among the populace is low enough to evade bullshit detection software being uploaded to people’s brains. The only place these Scientology criminals appear to still be able to make money is from dimwitted politicians who hand over our tax money, and from third world arenas where Internet access is zero to minimal.

  • Krew13

    Did anyone make a gif out of Her Royal Governor bouncing up and down like the Sciloon rube she is?

    • 1subgenius

      Why yes, yes they did.

      • GlibWog

        Yesterday.. fabulous…

      • coonellie

        And, perhaps for this little peasant, someone (hint) could post it here. This little peasant has worked her fingers to the bone and cannot figure out how to find it.

        • 1subgenius

          I would if I could. You need a hosting service or some other internet mojo I just ain’t got.
          Or a link to that post.

          • Krew13

            All someone needs to do is post the link, like they would with a photo or youtube video. I’m gonna test by pasting the link to a gif and see if it works.

            http://media.tumblr.com/59c5cd01eea1c12a625598ae2cdfa6f6/tumblr_inline_mgymrwIVtT1rwmrcd.gif

            • GlibWog

              baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhahahahhahaha OMG hilarious

            • Gotta love those folks at Apple Media, they know how to greak through the linguistic and cultural barriers to get to the point.

            • DamOTclese2

              Gods that’s funny. I like how they got Tom’s height down perfectly. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Eivol Ekdal

            tinypic.com

      • Krew13

        Please post it!

        • 1subgenius

          I made one, but you need to do some magic to get it to play. Disqus no do.

          • coonellie

            brownie points, nonetheless!

            • Eivol Ekdal

              When you upload a gif to a post Discqus converts it so you lose the animation aspect.
              But if you post a link to a gif hosted elswhere it will play. Tinypic links to image with .jpg extension but it still animates anyway because the tinypic’s web servers serve it up as MIME type = image/gif.

          • Eivol Ekdal

            upload to tinypic.com and post url. That is how I got mine to animate inline.

          • Eivol Ekdal

            When you upload a gif to a post, Discqus converts it so you lose the animation aspect.
            But if you post a link to a gif hosted elswhere it will play. Tinypic links to image with .jpg extension but it still animates anyway because the tinypic’s web servers serve it up as MIME type = image/gif.

            • 1subgenius

              But, so far, mine (a few posts away, not the one immediately above) is just showing as just the link, not displaying the animation. Maybe takes Disqus a while?

              http://tinypic.com/r/72rmhk/5

            • Eivol Ekdal

              I think so – you may have to refresh the whole page

            • Eivol Ekdal

              Use the “Direct Link for Layouts” URL

            • 1subgenius
            • Douglas D. Douglas

              This looks like one of the loops used in animation classes to illustrate the principle of squash and stretch…!

            • 1subgenius

              Yeah, truly amazing.

        • ThetaBara

          Scan yesterday’s comments. Try sorting by newest.

    • GlibWog
      • Krew13

        Yay! Thanks!! She sure is one lulzy, albeit tragic, Sciloon rube.

        • GlibWog

          hahahah I thought you were talkin bout me..

          • Krew13

            I didn’t know you’re a she!

            • GlibWog

              Cause of my MOUTH…hahahhahaha …

      • 1subgenius

        GlibWog delivers.

        • Krew13

          “GlibWog delivers”

          That’s because WOG tech works.

          • GlibWog

            HHHHHHahahahhahahahhaha .. OMG That is Hilarious…

            • Eivol Ekdal

              good God – I am gonna regret making that one

            • GlibWog

              ***** OMG******* I didn’t give credit to the Master Creator of this GIF…

              The Man Himself… Mr. Eivol Ekdal.. Take it Away Eivol..

              No Really.. Take it Away..

            • Eivol Ekdal

              I am afraid I can’t, once up on tinypic it is there forever

        • GlibWog

          Trust me it was merely by accident sub.. but now I know how to do it..woo hoo..

          • 1subgenius

            You are the Empress of the Interwebs.

            • GlibWog

              OH My God

        • Pepsicat

          GlibWog Tech Services is very efficient.

      • coonellie

        you get brownie points!

        • GlibWog

          OOOOh I would rather have brownies coonie… xo

          • 1subgenius

            I think if you collect enough points you can exchange them for a brownie.
            At least I think that’s how it works.

            • GlibWog

              ooooooh Brownie for points… I don’t want to know the final number I need. I know I have a long way to go.. : /

      • 1subgenius

        Just a test, here’s one I made. If it fails, don’t yell at me!

        http://tinypic.com/r/2a5xls2/5

        • coonellie

          It works for me.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Bart has more sense than his voice..

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Very nice! (I get motion sickness watching her).

      • phronsie

        So I was asking about this up above about Tom Cruise jumping around like a loon, and I was thinking maybe this extra extra jumpy jumpy woo HOOOO behavior, in the cult, was a sign that you were all-in and “uber in the zone” and it was something to be admired/accepted by the cult as perfectly understandable behavior. But then I also wondered, if you were a grand muckety muck like this poor chick and Tom C, and if you really didn’t have any other great powers to show off to the rubes and any other way to prove that you really had made it to the almost tippety top, if jumping around like an grande daffy duck with everything you had at least let you feel like you were throwing yourself utterly and completely into whatever scientology is pushing at that moment, more than anyone else, because you had to have *something* to make you stand out next to all the lesser beings?

        • GlibWog

          Yep phronsie.. If I act crazier than you then I am more devoted to HUBS than you..

          I am drinking deep baby.. I got the Kool Aid piped in intravenously..

          I am Better Than You.. I have a Trophy and Banner to prove it.. So there!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      You know, if you wanted to see an “animated” Nancy Cartwright, just go back to the Twilight Zone movie. Nancy was “Ethel” in this sequence:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5pQfOMkhmQ

  • coonellie

    Okay, I’m not sure how to write this without possibly offending my friends of color (I’m married to someone of color but that doesn’t count!), but in our current political environment I’m wondering if Rev. Johnson (forgot to use the sarcasm brackets) will get a pass because of his color and his religion. We’re in a very tense political situation (think: Syria) and I don’t think anyone wants to add fuel to a fire or offend possible voters.

    Okay, that’s all. Please don’t flame me. I’m only throwing it out there as a thought, not as a reality (geez, that sounds way too woo woo after all night work). I need sleep!

    • 1subgenius

      He certainly will play it for all he can.

    • GlibWog

      Coonie… That is a very valid point. Absolutely.

  • dwayners13 .

    Initially I thought the partnerships between the front groups of Scientology & the Nation of Islam (specifical the WLC, Narconon & study tech) was rather odd to say the least. However, the more I read about their activities such as selling bogus vouchers to families in need, promising not to force religion on children & then organizing field trips to the nearest org.) the more I understood their partnership.

    • ThetaBara

      It’s still incredibly bizarre given that their stated theologies are pretty much entirely at odds.

      • Phil McKraken

        Yeah, theology is irrelevant. Businesses enter strategic partnerships for business reasons.

        • coonellie

          Perhaps theology is irrelevant for you, but I tend to enjoy it :). I majored in economics and history and I enjoy numbers and business, but theology is a delight. I know it’s not that way for many, but don’t knock it “just because.” There are many varieties of people on this blog and we all have something to contribute. Really!

          I find people’s motivations, especially when keyed to a specific theology, absolutely enlightening (no pun intended!). I also have found that knowing what another person believes (their personal theology) helps me to listen better and relate better. Even atheists have a “theology” of a sort (a sort of anti-theology if you will).

          When someone just blows off someone because they’re “religious” or have a “theology” there’s a missed opportunity to understand why someone is who they are.

          Of course, this means that a person actually cares about their fellow human being and why they do what they do (or believe what they believe). I understand that many on this blog don’t have the time or patience (or desire) to interact in such a manner. That’s okay, too. Just my POV.

          • Phil McKraken

            I’m not saying that theology is irrelevant to me, but that’s it’s irrelevant to COS/NOI partnership. That’s because it’s a business partnership between two cults that run lots of fraudulent scams in their business models. It’s the fraudulent nature of their businesses that relevant.

            I suggest that you world-clear theology. Atheism, the absence of a belief in god/s, has no theology or “anti-theology,” whatever that is supposed to be. Theology, no matter how internally rigorous, assumes the faith first, and then builds from there.

            I don’t blow anyone off because they’re religious or have a theology. It’s interesting and useful to understand theological thinking. But I don’t credit it much for playing any role in the actions of religious adherents and even most clergy. They’re all motivated by the usual desires and imperatives, but they may be using their theology as a cloak. Also, the true belief of another person is pretty much impenetrable. It’s their actions, not their supposed beliefs, that interest me.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Phil is correct. Both leaders’ motivation is pure exploitative greed. That is all there is.

            • ThetaBara

              Yes, but! They are both fanatical cults with diametrically opposed views, particularly when it comes to race. NOI are radical Islamists – they’re into Mohammed and many of them still say white people are the devil. COS are radical IDK what, but they think Mohammed is all an implant! How the hell is this going to work?! Other than a bloodbath?! I’m serious. Sure, the leaders are cynical but what happens when the Troo Believers clash?

            • Peter

              In all my recent readings, Atheism is not the absence of a belief in god/s, but the denial of same. Very different viewpoints. Richard Dawkins comes to mind. He’s made an industry of it. LOL

            • Missionary Kid

              Even Hitchens said that there is a possibility that he is wrong, but he felt the possibility was infintesimal. Believers tried to make that into a statement that he was conceding that there was a god, because he was facing death, but he had said it all along.

            • ze moo

              The jokes on all of us

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup, and I think it’s funny that people believe in such an elaborate afterlife, when nobody’s come back.

            • ThetaBara

              Yes. Atheism is the belief (and it IS a belief) that the divine does not exist. Agnosticism means that the individual doesn’t know (and is ok with that, at least more or less). Beyond that there are non-deistic beliefs about the divine. It’s complicated.

            • Phil McKraken

              “Weak” or agnostic atheism is the absence in a belief in god/s. “Strong” or gnostic atheism is the belief that no god/s exist.

            • ThetaBara

              I disagree about “theology” although maybe I need to word clear it. I think there can be an uber theology that doesn’t necessarily posit or accept any particular deity, but is the study of religion(s) in general. Amiwrong?

            • WildaBeast

              No, you’re not wrong. There’s a field that does comparative studies of different religions, or differing belief systems within the same religion, and yes, I believe that the field is classified under the umbrella of theology, used in the modern, academic sense.

            • Phil McKraken

              Otherwise known as Religious Studies. Yes, many students in formal Theology programs study the beliefs, history, and sociology of religions, but that’s not what I’d call the theology portion of their studies, especially as regards religions other than their own.

          • Poison Ivy

            Well said. But I do think many on this blog truly care about other points of view.

          • KJP in Portland

            I agree and I do think many here do care about others. I’ve read bunches of posts to that effect. Certainly they care about the ‘still-ins’ on saying “hey, we’re here to help you blow”.

          • kemist

            I’m not sure you could call what we atheists have a “theology”.

            Philosophy, yes, no doubt. Most of us share a materialist philosophy (in the sense of considering that all that exists is part of the natural world, not consumerism).

            But doesn’t theology means “study of the gods” – theo logos ?

            If you don’t think any god actually exists then how does studying them make any sense. That’s like studying the feeding habits of the Lucky Charm leprechaun.

            • Phil McKraken

              My shorthand definition for theology: The study of the unknowable.

            • WildaBeast

              “Logos” has had so many meanings over the millennia (screw spell-check for not having the plural of ‘millennium’; honestly, how ignorant can a computer program be?!) that I don’t think it’s fair to define it solely as being the ‘study of’ a subject. It also has an implication of ‘knowledge of’; in the religious sense, ‘Logos’ is also the Word that was, is, and will be, independent of the existence of God’s creation. I also think ‘theology’, when used to describe a particular belief system, is badly used. Particular belief systems have differing doctrines; theology is the study of doctrinal systems, their evolutions, philosophies, and so forth.
              Either way, I don’t think it matters to Co$ and NoI that they push totally different belief systems. They’re both in it for the money, and, in the end, I think when you’re in it for the money, money is your god. The two {organizations} just have different paint and window dressing. Their poor dupes are so brainwashed at this point that they don’t see the cognitive dissonance implied by the vastly different paint and window dressing, so it’s not a problem that these two {organizations} (read: scams) are working together.

            • ThetaBara

              It might not be a problem now. But given the history of violence known about both organizations, I can’t see this ending well when it gets down to it.

            • WildaBeast

              Oh no, I don’t mean that it isn’t a problem, period. It IS. I mean that, since both {organizations} are brainwashing cults that are all about money, the fact that their {doctrines} are totally different isn’t going to cause their adherents to go, “WTF?!” and quit. All I meant to say (and this is sad), is that I think they can get away with it, for a while at least.

          • Peter

            Thank you for your sanity on this issue. As well, religion and spirituality are often quite different from each other.

          • DamOTclese2

            Actually, theology is irrelevant to NOI and Scientology, all they give a fuck about is their ringleaders rooking money from the dimwitted rubes.

            • ThetaBara

              Just wait.

        • richelieu jr

          I think that theology is relevant in this case, and I too find it interesting. Enough to get a degree in it anyway.

      • kemist

        Look at it as a business partnership. Once you’ve eliminated the bigger threat, you can go back to fighting each other as usual.

        Religions have been doing this for a looooong time against vocal atheists and secular interests.

      • KJP in Portland

        I kinda wonder if Monkey McMidget isn’t trying to hire a bunch of thugs. I dunno.

        • Missionary Kid

          I sent you an email about meeting in Portland.

        • ThetaBara

          If so, it’s going to backfire rather spectacularly. He has no idea what he’s messing with.
          Then again, I suppose that’s par for the course.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Scientologists are under attack! Wut?
    Is it the fringes of the Internet attacking?
    Because the rest of the world either has no clue or laughing.

    Keep on clearing the planet, scientology.

    • coonellie

      Well, I’ve got my grandmother’s 1920’s flapper dress (absolutely gorgeous!) and the fringe would likely kill anyone that got caught in the sway ;).

    • MO Mom

      Love some Tommy Lee first thing in the AM!!!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Tommy Lee probably appreciates it and says hi to MO Mom.

        • Nevermore

          That man just gets better and better, like a fine wine!

          • Leslie Stipe

            Love TLJ. He owns a crap load of land in TX. I just love him…way too much! And I will not stop, dammit!

        • MO Mom

          And my day just gets better!

        • BananaSplits8

          Oh my, that’s all kinds of viril!

      • monkeyknickers

        I am completely in love with that man.

        And also Captain Jean Luc Picard.

        Draw your own conclusions. :))

        • MO Mom

          We have mutual excellent tast in hot older guys?

          • monkeyknickers

            I think maybe so Mo. The Donor is 15 years older than me. But ya know why? Men take longer to ripen. We’re 30 and awesome when they’re 40 and awesome. Weeellllll . . . . .maybe 50 and awesome. ๐Ÿ™‚

            EDIT OKAY: There are totally exceptions to the rule. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Casabeca

              Mr Casa is +7 or so…So I second this emotion!

            • monkeyknickers

              Sweetheart I can’t find your direction to your . . . . gmail? Something? You mentioned it and I was happy to direct you but Disqus fucking sucks and I’m tired and I have pregnancy brain and I hate The Donor and Ash is sick with something she’s picked up from Chinook Jargon summer camp.

              Phew! I’m going for Whining Champion: West Coast Division. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Casabeca

              Just wrote you again, and I made it disappear…no sleep yet from occasion restless legs. Maybe my med are making me loopy. And you may write me at my name at gmail. I would love to hear your music . DS 1st song in mixed. Would love to hear you too. Ta ta for now!

    • Roger Larsson

      I thought organizations were superior nets but I was wrong.

    • Jgg2012

      “NOI and COS marriage is almost like NAACP and KKK having a date.”
      Think so? A form of alternative therapy developed by a white man (LRH) who insisted it was based on “scientific fact” and is not a religion, becomes a religion “for the lawyers and accountants”, loses some credibility, merges with a religion that says that all white people are evil, and now wants its drug therapy
      recognized as if it were based on science. What is odd about all that?

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      For your information, Dodo the Laser, the Church of Scientology and the Nation of Islam have a very caring and exclusive “significant other” 2D where we do not see other groups, cults, or sects.

      True, we in the Church of Scientology have held hands with the Mormons. But that was only done to help stop perverted and disgusting 1.1. homosexual marriages in California where we live.

      • WildaBeast

        How’d that work out for you folks in the end? ๐Ÿ™‚ I think the Supreme Court had something to say about that a few months back…

      • Kelly Irwin

        It was nice of them to let us know how close Narconon and NOI are.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
  • DodoTheLaser

    NOI and COS marriage is almost like NAACP and KKK having a date.

    Just as ridiculous, awkward and based on the wrong premise to begin with.

    Just like all of the above mentioned organizations and their birth, imo.

    • Krew13

      Let’s not forget Miscmidget’s legendary “most white folks wouldn’t have a clue what it means to be cool if it weren’t for Black America.”

      http://i.myniceprofile.com/478/47831.gif

      • DodoTheLaser

        Very classy and diplomatic of Mr. Miscavige.
        I am sure Kanye West loved it.

        • Poison Ivy

          He’d have loved it but he didn’t hear it, unfortunately. He was trapped in the closet with Tom Cruise.

          • KJP in Portland

            Oh! 3 likes from me for this comment!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Don’t let the masks fool you. Both are nothing more than money scams, exploiting those who happened to stumble at a vulnerable crossroad in their lives.

      They are both just long running scams. There are always scammers, but the majority of them get exposed and busted. Here’s a short list just from 2012 highlights. The long running shows are too often cloaked in faux religion in the United States simply because of our lopsided, antiquated laws that protect these criminals. There is no other reason.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/01/04/top-scams-2012_n_1184501.html

      • Poison Ivy

        Scammers unfortunately don’t have skin color. I’m sure percentage wise you’re going to find just as many “white collar” black and brown scam artists as you are “white collar” caucasian scam artists.

        I wish there were a way to get this message out to the duped followers of Alfreddie and Louis that LRH is NOT a friend of the African American. Nor is David Miscavige.

        And that this unholy alliance is only about one thing: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

        http://theframeproblem.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/l-ron-hubbard-and-david-miscavige-racists/

        • KJP in Portland

          Monkey McMidget has only one true friend: himself.

          • Peter

            Friend? What a wonderfully horrid thought! LOL

          • WildaBeast

            I don’t even think that Tiny Tyrant is able to be a good friend to himself. If he’s a sociopath, well…sociopaths aren’t anyone’s friend. If he’s secretly self-hating and trying to cover it up with his super-Big-Beingness, well, you have to really like your friends for them to be your friends.
            My guess is that no matter how many times Tiny Dick word-clears ‘friendship’, he will still have no real idea what it means.

          • Krew13

            How could you? I mean, really! How could you leave out Top Gun? He’s Miscmidgets’ BFF! Forever and ever and ever! They’re testament to what that character in Wayne’s World said at the end of the movie: “I’ve learned that platonic love CAN exist between two grown men.”

        • Mooser

          Gosh we can only hope DM will get along with the NOI as well as Sly Stone did.

      • KJP in Portland

        Hey, $ci’s approach also reminds me of the print newspaper industry failing to see the tidal wave of the Internet coming. Both $ci and newspapers are really decimated because of the information age…the Internet! The ‘Net’ has changed the landscape as much as the horse and buggy pitted against the automobile.

    • KJP in Portland

      As strange as the non-aggression pact between Stalin and Hitler in 1939!

  • mook

    Leah Remini’s Ellen appearance is airing today.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yep.

    • phronsie

      Just saw a clip where Ellen very carefully almost kinda asked about scientology and Leah said almost something kinda about it…. LOL Hopefully she’s just saving the juicy stuff for her book!

      • Missionary Kid

        The clip I saw quit after Ellen asks why she left the religion. I’m recording the episode. It doesn’t come on until 4:00 pm PDT here.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ll bet Tony will have something about it later today.

    • Krew13

      I love Ellen. And she represents so many things the Sciloons hate. She’s lesbian, she’s a career woman and not a domestic prisoner doing what she’s told by a man, and, of course, she’s not a Sciloon. Ellen rocks!

      • DamOTclese2

        Ellen is awesome, she really is. She’s plugged in to Hollywood very tightly and yet she’s still an average person in terms of living out in the real world with the rest of us. She must have several hundred million bucks in the bank and yet she knows what life is like in the real America.

  • Minion Gayle

    I wonder if I can get the day off tomorrow with such short notice.

    • DodoTheLaser

      No. Meet your quota first.

      • Minion Gayle

        LOL! No quota, just a lot of stuff that was neglected during financial statements.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Oh good ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Robert Eckert

          Are you upstate for the week?

          • Minion Gayle

            Hardly. ๐Ÿ™‚ Unless you count with my kids. I did make them monkey bread yesterday, which usually earns me bonus points.

    • DamOTclese2

      ROFL! You don’t have the RANK!!11 to request time off!

  • EnthralledObserver

    Waaaahhhh… no cameras allowed… so sad! Oh well… we’ll make do, I guess.

    • 1subgenius

      I guess we should be glad that the hearing wasn’t closed to the public like some ass-hat judge did in some other Scientology case.

      • WhereIsSHE

        Wonder if this is typical protocol in this judge’s courtroom, or whether his decision was based upon request of a party (or parties). There are no cameras in the courtrooms here in PA, at all, but as far as other matters, many of the local trial court judges run their courtrooms in adherence with their own peculiar set of rules (and to parody Mr. “You-Know-Who” in the photo Tony included above, If you don’t know the rules, … you better go and learn the rules.)
        I didn’t see any request in the papers filed thus far (that have been graciously provided by link here on previous posts), but if a request was made, I think we can fairly conclude that it would have come from the defendants. They KNOW what they KNOW (and what they KNOW is that do not want people to actually SEE THEM DOING WHAT THEY DO.)
        Of course we will all still follow, but it’s really a shame, because video of testimony in this case would go viral in a heartbeat, Marty being “You-Know-Who”‘s former auditor.

        • KJP in Portland

          Thank you, I always enjoy your legal insights and thorough research!

        • Poison Ivy

          Thats, WIS. You’re the bomb.

        • Mark

          Oh well, rules are rules, worst luck. But if Shortarse is compelled to appear (please please please please) mightn’t the absence of cameras encourage him to act even more stupidly than the last time he was forced to testify? I have visions involving contempt of court, and worse…

      • KJP in Portland

        If $ci won that case, was the judge’s pocket stuffed?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Don’t borrow trouble.

      • DamOTclese2

        Some asshat Judges believe the crime syndicate’s claims about “trade secrets” i.e. “evidence of Scientology’s massive frauds.”

    • KJP in Portland

      I wonder if the ‘no cameras allowed’ is in case his Royal Dwarfness is forced to appear!

    • Spackle Motion

      I hope that Tony (or someone in that courtroom) can type as fast as people speak.

  • California

    RE: California

    We are ready for them.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Yay, Clifornia!! I knew you’d have it covered! let us know if we can provide any email backup..

      • California

        Please e-mail:

        Congresswoman Jackie Speier (who is in D.C. now but knows about cults [she was almost murdered at Jonestown) and California Assemblyman Tom Ammiano who helped us stop Narconon Drug Education when he was on the SF Board of Supervisors.

        Both Tom and Jackie’s offices can guide you to other appropriate people in Sacramento.

        Popcorn time!

    • Bradley Greenwood

      Someone protest with me! I am just 25 minutes away.

      • 1subgenius

        Do it you glorious bastard.

      • WildaBeast

        Protest the protest? Fuck yeah! Stupid national border…

    • DamOTclese2

      Towlie says, “Be sure to bring a towel!”

  • KNMF

    LMAO

    “Where are these babies supposed to go?”

    • DamOTclese2

      ๐Ÿ™‚ I also had to laugh at that. Their drug-dealing, crime-committing, drug-addicted adults are “babies.” Won’t you PLEASE think of the children?

  • sugarplumfairy

    Who do we email in Sacramento?

    • Eivol Ekdal

      homeland security?

      • sugarplumfairy

        I’ve told this story here before but once more won’t kill anybody.. Back in October, I was traveling home from LA, and at LAX I was one of the lucky few who had my carry on searched by homeland security..

        When the agent handled my iPad, it came on and was stuck on a page i’d been reading that showed Tony’s blog and a headline that I can’t remember now but said something about scientology.. I think that day’s article was something about an application to join the sea org..

        the agent looked at me and in a very earnest and concerned voice he said something like ‘oh, ma’am, this is not a good group.. You need to steer clear of them..’ I’m paraphrasing here, because I can’t remember his exact words.. But it was an overt criticism of scientology.. I lovvvved it..

        • Eivol Ekdal

          We need Bunker Agent Badges just for those occasions.

        • KJP in Portland

          See? the whole damned world knows they’re bad news!

        • Poison Ivy

          I remember that story. I love it.

        • aquaclara

          This is a terrific story. I’m always happily surprised when I meet someone who KNOWS.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          It was important enough to him for him to break out of his impersonal homeland security agent mode and connect with you human to human and warn you about something he knew was not good. That’s powerful!

          • sugarplumfairy

            That’s what I thought too.. I let him know where I stood on scientology and I’m pretty sure i pointed out that Tony’s blog was devoted to exposing the criminal activites of co$..

            At the time I was traveling with two of my sisters who weren’t interested in hearing anything more about scientology from me.. My entire family thinks I’m obsessed.. But that interaction changed everything.. They were impressed.. and now they text or email me anything they read about scientology.. And when we get together, the first thing my family asks is “what’s new with scientology?”

        • DamOTclese2

          When even TSA fascist mother fucking assholes know Scientology is “not a good group,” you know the Scientology crime syndicate’s days are numbered.

          • sugarplumfairy

            ohhhhhhh I hope so…

    • ze moo

      Find legislators on the committees that watch Medi-Cal and health services.

      • Spackle Motion

        I would definitely email Darrell Steinberg. He’s the head cheese with this issue.

        http://sd06.senate.ca.gov/contact

        I know this guy and he’s a complete tool. Be sure to keep it simple because he will not understand it otherwise.

        • RMycroft
          • Mark

            We call that ‘Brawn’ where I come from. It’s delicious, provided you don’t think about what it’s made of!

            • Mooser

              “We call that ‘Brawn’ where I come from.”

              Oh, brawn is good, but it takes brains, too. Check the web for recipes.

            • Robert Eckert

              Is all of Scottish cuisine based on dares?

            • Sandy

              My German grandma made head cheese back in the day ….

            • Sandy

              She also made (according to my Mom) something called Blutwurst, IIRC, where they would collect the blood from butchering, mix it with flour & seasoning, pour into loaf pans and store on the porch during MN winters. She would slice it & fry it for breakfast.

          • Leslie Stipe

            Jesus! I’m scarfing down my lunch and it almost came back up! And I see a lot of gross stuff in my job but I was not prepared for that.

            Control your pics, at least until well after lunch! ๐Ÿ™‚

            • RMycroft

              It’s always lunch time somewhere, and somewhere someone is eating that for lunch.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    That’s too bad about the no-cameras in the court room ruling. There will be transcripts, however, and those (if ordered) have almost the same effect as a tape.

    The flier about the march on Sacramento has almost no substance, it is all rhetoric. “We are under attack!” Who is “we.” Shields or the “community”? Who is asking about immigration status? Why is the funding being cut? The flier is silent on all of this. Are all drug rehab programs in all African-American and Hispanic communities being cut? If so, why are there only 100 people going to protest? Are they going to protest, or meet with legislators? The flier is full of buzz words and incendiary sentences, and yet provides no information. The most outrageous sentences, of course are “where are these babies supposed to go?” And “someone should speak on behalf of these children.” Right, the CoS, Narconon and WCL, and every CoS related entity, care so much about children that they let them die, alone, without proper medical care, like Stacy Murphy. They care so much they bankrupt schools, or run schools where elementary school children perform manual labor instead of learning, and they recruit children under the age of 10 to the Sea Org, making them sign billion year contracts, prohibiting them from having a childhood, and send them into adulthood mentally scarred, physically abused and emotionally traumatized. This is the information that the legislators and local media should receive. Yes, babies and children do need saving and protecting– from Alfreddie Johnson and Hanah Islam, and their cohorts.

    • 1subgenius

      “We are under attack!”

      What do you mean “we” Kemo Sabe?

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Well, since I was quoting from their flier, I have to assume they mean….David Miscavige (since we know they could care less about the “babies,” and “children”).

        • 1subgenius

          Yeah, and I was making an old joke about the wording of the flier.
          (Lone Ranger turns to Tonto and says “We are under attack from the Indians.” And Tonto says, “What do you mean “we” Kemo Sabe?”)
          Same with the flier. Who’s this “we”? Not me.

          • richelieu jr

            I got it. We must have the same dusty ol’ joke book, you and I, 1sg.

            • 1subgenius

              Just a dusty ol’ brain.
              Got only one brain cell left, but its workin’ overtime.

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            Very good point, and that makes the flier even more nasty and cynical since there is no way they would ever allow anyone to assert that they are part of the “we.” Miscavige and company will attack anyone who lumps them in with the audience they are trying to reach.

          • Mark

            I thought “kemo sabe” meant “palefaced idiot” in Tonto’s language?

            • Robert Eckert
            • Captain Howdy

              Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CebRfSFnWGM

            • monkeyknickers

              A JEWEL. God was that awesome.

              Seriously – WHAT am I gonna do when Ash isn’t Chinook school or on the family compound where I can let her loose and moon around, fat and exhausted, and hanging out here all day seeing awesome shit??!!

              I mean, it’s coming to an end. I see that. I see the darkness at the end of the tunnel.

              Sigh.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              We used to say: “you are the south end of a north going horse”.

            • 1subgenius

              I googled it, and there’s no definitive answer. Or spelling.
              The punch line could just as easily be, “What do you mean “we?” and it would make the same point.

            • Missionary Kid

              Probably an urban legend, also a joke.

            • DamOTclese2

              “Kemo” means shit, and “Sabe” is a variant of “head” though it more accurately means the thinking part of the head. “Kemo Sabe” literally means “shit head.” It was a little joke.

          • Missionary Kid

            I heard Tonto’s answer as, “What do you mean ‘we,’ white man?”

            • Robert Eckert

              That’s an altered version of the joke for those kids too young to have ever heard the old shows, who wouldn’t recognize “Kemo Sabe”

            • Missionary Kid

              I beg to differ. I grew up listening to the Lone Ranger on the radio, the earliest in about 1952, and my earliest memory of hearing the joke is probably in the very early 60s, and I don’t recall Kemo Sabe as being part of the punch line, but more explicitly “white man.”

              We weren’t as subtle as your friends. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Robert Eckert

              Ah, well I always heard it with “kemo sabe” and did not hear the “white man” variant until recent years.

            • Missionary Kid

              Which version you heard probably varies according to where you live, or even the kind of friends you had/have. I grew up in L.A., but there’s a lot of different neighborhoods there.

              Story: It was about 1952, and I was a little kid. I knew that the Lone Ranger was on the radio just before my bedtime, but when the show was over, I discovered that because it was getting dark, (remember, this is AM radio), I could pick up another more distant station with another episode, and I started to listen to it. My mother came in and told me to turn it off.

              I used the excuse to keep listening to it that I had to find out how it ended. Her answer was classic, and I’ll always remember it for any series, “Don’t worry. He’ll be all right. He has to come back next week. Turn it off, now.”

              As a consequence, whenever an exciting series is on, I always check the clock. If it appears everything is solved, but there’s too much time left, I know that some complication will pop up to drag out the story, or, if the hero is in peril, he’ll be saved before the end or the story will be continued. I call it The Lone Ranger Factor.

            • Robert Eckert

              George Martin states that he kills off heroes in “Game of Thrones” precisely to subvert this kind of expectation: he hates it when you know perfectly well that the hero isn’t really in danger because, well, he’s the hero and is bound to get out of it. When one of his characters is in danger, he’s really in danger!

            • Missionary Kid

              I consider Martin a good writer, but I haven’t read him for years. As I remember it, I used to read him inAnalog, but I could have read him elsewhere.

              It’s too bad that Orson Scott Card, who I also read in Analog who’s a good writer, has let his Mormonism, which wasn’t too evident in his writing, show up in his public pronunciations.

            • 1subgenius

              Geeeeez, the joke can be told a hundred different ways.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. I never heard it Robert’s way.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I use it all the time, but over the years have shortened it to just “Whaddya’ mean “we”?”

            • 1subgenius

              Well there you go.
              Now ask me what the secret to comedy is.

            • BananaSplits8

              I heard it was tragedy + time, but I’ll bite.

              What’s the secret to comedy, 1sg?

            • Robert Eckert

              The secret to comedy is tragedy and time, no wait, the two secrets to comedy are tragedy, time, and smooth delivery– the three secrets– let’s start again.

            • 1subgenius

              And they came to me, assembled and asked “What, o great one, is the greatest secret of all the secrets of comedy.”
              And yea verily, I said, “Do not under any circumstances, step on someone else’s punchline.”

            • 1subgenius

              Actually you have to do this live with someone.
              “Ask me what the secret to comedy is.”
              “OK, What’s the….”
              (Interrupting) “Timing!”

            • RMycroft

              Timing!

          • Captain Howdy

            That was one of father’s favorite jokes.

          • Mooser

            I believe the “What you mean’um we, paleface” line came from “A MAD Look at The Lone Ranger”. You might be able to find it on the web, the drawings and the rest of it is priceless. Here’s the panel in question.

            • Robert Eckert

              Interesting. In the MAD cartoon, it is the Lone Ranger calling Tonto “kimosavee” where in the show that was Tonto’s mysterious nickname for him.

    • Poison Ivy

      Tragically, they are using the con man’s technique of taking a troubling truth and extrapolating it to apply to a situation that is not really related. The truth is, white middle and upper middle class addicts end up in pretty decent rehab facilities and there are a lot of them. Lower income whites and lower income people of color don’t have the kind of access to $10,000 a week facilities and end up in state-run rehabs, which are often over crowded. When an addict finally decides to get help, it’s incredibly detrimental to force him or her to wait weeks and weeks for a bed. When addicts are court-ordered into rehab, if there isn’t a bed, it’s the same problem (except sometimes they stay incarcerated for that time.)

      So basically yeah, the rehab system is inherently unfair to lower income patients, pretty much no matter what state you live in. California is particularly bad.

      What NOI is doing here is using that fact and saying it’s the reason the state doesn’t want to give money to their slimy Narconon clone programs. That’s bullshit.

      Stricter state licensing for rehabs could help blast that argument out of the water.

    • KJP in Portland

      $cientrollogy is under attack…hehe…uh, no. They’ve had their initial attacks against everyone else. Now, their ‘Battle of Midway Island’ has transpired and THEY are on the defensive until the final defeat. The wog world is on the offensive now against them. The wog world will win. Sketchy analogy, but that’s how I look at it as of today.

    • WildaBeast

      Amen!

    • ze moo

      Two vans might hold 20 people. Not a huge turnout. They will be ignored…..

      • DamOTclese2

        Two Party Vans can hold 2 million Anonymous, though. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • DamOTclese2

      When criminals scream about “funding being cut” that always means that their frauds against our country are being threatened by law enforcement.

  • DodoTheLaser

    On Monique Rathbun Hearing,

    “We think youโ€™ll still get a pretty thorough report on what gets said in
    the courtroom, but thereโ€™s nothing like videotaped testimony, and weโ€™re
    disappointed about this decision.”

    True. BUT Tony Ortega is on it. That’s all.

  • Krew13
    • KJP in Portland

      If that had been a B-Grade actor, Oprah would have had him expelled under armed guard off the property. That is still sooo bizarre to watch. What would Bob Hope do? Even Johnny Carson would never call the guy back for another appearance (but back then, Johnny, like Ed Sullivan ran the show…not the advertisers).

    • 1subgenius

      He went nuts not just because he’s a Scientologist.
      He had finally found a sucker.
      Could it be his breath?
      Why would he have such a hard time getting a mate?
      Even being a Scientologist.

      • Poison Ivy

        Oh I’m sure he’d have a ridiculously easy time getting a mate if he were just your ordinary narcissistic movie star. Even with the Scientology aspect, there are plenty of young hungry wanna-be actress-model-whatevers who’d gladly sell their soul to the devil in order to boost their fame quotient (fame is like heroin for some.) However, HIS standards are ridiculously high. The woman has to be drop dead gorgeous, either known in her own right or up and coming (her association with him will help further her progress), and 100% red-carpet ready. That kind of status is essential to HIS ego – he can’t marry just a ‘nobody’, no matter how willing she is. Also either already a Scientologist or gladly willing to convert immediately. AND submit 100% to his controlling behavior.

        • WhereIsSHE

          I never saw Katie Holmes as “drop dead gorgeous”. More like a perky, pretty girl-next-door (like if she wasn’t in the business, I could see her as a housewife in some McMansion, volunteering for the PTA and her church, raising a bunch of cute kids who wear adorable Halloween costumes she sews herself, and never having a bad hair day).
          Nicole can be stunningly beautiful–at times, but “drop dead gorgeous”?? I dunno.
          And Mimi Rogers???! NO and NO!

          I think Penelope Cruz is drop dead gorgeous– all of the time– with or without make-up.
          And she is the only one who makes me think that maybe he went through a small period of normalcy (in terms of his sexuality and personality).

          I actually get the vibe that he could easily live a sex-free life.
          He should have stuck with Catholicism and become a priest. I bet he’d have been a much happier person.

          • Poison Ivy

            “He should have stuck with Catholicism and become a priest. I bet he’d have been a much happier person.” Agreed on that -but then we’d never have had the couch jumping moment!

            To clarify, “Drop Dead Gorgeous” doesn’t necessarily mean born that way. It means you can get done up to look like you belong on a magazine cover. (Hence his odd concern with Nazin’s incisors.) You’ll find that many ‘gorgeous’ actresses look nearly ‘just pretty’ without makeup or styling. I agree that Penelope Cruz is the real deal in that regard. But TC isn’t going to hook up with just an ordinary looking woman, no matter how perfect for him she may be.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I thought the common thread in all his wives was they fit the bill for a momma’s boy type. Sometimes hooking up with peter pan can cure that ailment, but not always.

            • RMycroft

              He needs to find someone who views relationships the same way he does.

              http://thechubrodeo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/overly-obsessed-girlfriend.jpg

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I respond more to character and intelligence and sense of humor rather than ‘pretty’. A person has to be ‘interested’. I think it was Heinlein who said in a story: Any set of features can support beauty.

            • Kitz

              ..

          • Interested

            I hate rumours, but somewhere I read the question … Is Suri really his? Was Katie already pregnant when they met?

        • Interested

          Don’t forget intelligent, with perfect teeth. Well someone has to have brains in the family. But wait… Acting and all inclusive cult member and……need I say more

        • monkeyknickers

          . .. . and isn’t THAT the truth.

    • WildaBeast

      Ugh. I hadn’t seen that in so long I’d forgotten how bad it was. It makes me want to run up and put the man in a headlock and drag him off. You know, usually I figure Oprah can take care of herself, but the whole grabbing her by the arms thing…she looks honestly frightened for a moment there.

      • Krew13

        Oprah’s a moron too. All her “the boy has lost it!” and her audience of idiots whooping every time she breathes or farts. She may not be a Sciloon but her show was a platform for alternative medicine snake oil salesmen and a platform for Cruise to promote his cult.

        • WildaBeast

          Can’t argue that. She does provide a platform for snake-oil salesmen, she has absolutely made hundreds of millions on the backs of the credulous and escapist masses, and I don’t much like it. It’s just that one moment of frozen panic that she has in the gif…I *hate* to see that body language on anyone, except if it’s someone who has provoked identical body language in others. Then I get all eye-for-an-eye about it.

          • Mooser

            I am sorry, I simply cannot abide Oprah. Why her smarmy and ill-informed phoniness is considered attractive, I do not know, but I can’t bear even a glimpse of her, never could.

      • Interested

        Have any of you tried to jump on a sofa backwards? Do you have any idea the OTPowers necessary to do so? Go on give it a try! Then you will see how many millions you should be spending (yeah right!)

    • phronsie

      So, from what I understand, all that over the top behavior he was exhibiting is part of scientology behavior, like we’ve seen in some of the clips. You aren’t showing true spirit if you aren’t jumping for the ceiling, clapping like mad, and waving your arms around; that kind of “spirit” is indicative that you are evolving, yes? It’s part of showing “win” and confidence? So Cruise, as a far advanced being at that time, someone who had been treated like a demi-god by his scientology handlers and underlings, who had been told again and again that not only would he have responsibility for changing the rest of the world but that he now actually had those super powers, was acting in accord with what he’d been told, he was claiming his victory and powers so to speak? And the only result was that it was a huge embarrassment for not only him but his cult….. So sad for him that he didn’t take that as a wake up call that it was all (and he was all) a big phony. Well, I guess it was easier to blame it on the evil corrupted world and not his baloney cult. I’m sure he reassures himself that some truly receptive people were touched and moved to join the cult by his words and behavior during the time before he was reigned in….. Pheh.

    • richelieu jr

      Put it with the Nancy Cartwright GIF from the other day..

      They may be doing variations of the same dance, or manifesting variations of the same disease.

    • cicely neville

      I’ve never actually seen this, only stills.
      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
      No, really, it’s pathetic…HAHAHAHA
      Oh dear.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    My first impression after reading today’s entry was the absolute weight of evidence put forth against the cult by this daily blog, its readers as well as former members and journalists. While the state occasionally does something about Scientology, it is never enough. It won’t be enough until its leaders are jailed or they have fled, and what remains of the cult is sold to pay off the lawsuits.

    Then I thought, what about the bike gangs. Well, it took a long time for the governments of nations to go after the bikers and they were causing far more harm than Scientology. We, the law abiding souls of the world, just aren’t that good at creating enforcement agencies that can act swiftly against organized crime. But, around here anyway, we eventually did go after the bike gangs. We, the people, gathered up the evidence, raided and boarded up their clubhouse, tried their leaders and gave them suitable punishment, and life for the average citizen became a very little bit less worrisome.

    Other bad guys have picked up the slack with the biker presence diminished. Drugs are still available, people are still intimidating one another and their other criminal enterprises continue to be carried out by other groups and individuals. But gone are the days when you knew that if you fought one man, you also fought his gang.

    Scientology’s day will come, but it may take a while.

    • sugarplumfairy

      can’t say I’ve thought of co$ as organized crime before.. but that is certainly what it is..

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        You mean like a mafia? Every other policy Hubbard conjured was nothing more than attempt to discredit whoever was hunting for his lawless ass that week. He had his own gang bangers.

        http://i39.tinypic.com/2w3uzgy.jpg

        • KJP in Portland

          I love it! (my own dumb humor here…) ‘tinypic’ for Tiny Dick!

        • AnyOldName1

          And so few among the gang’s lieutenants remain…. those that haven’t left are either dead or in jail…. (errr, I mean the religious retreat known as the Hole).

        • Tony DePhillips

          COB is a Mickey Cohen wannabe.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Who will play him in the upcoming film. Elliot Gould is too old and too large. Alan Ladd is dead. He looks a bit like Paul Rubens.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I made a joke the other day about Mickey Rooney playing COB in a musical version of his life history.

            • Valkov

              Paul Reubens would have been great as DM! May be a little old by now, though.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              How about the kid who played McLovn in Superbad?

            • DodoTheLaser

              I vote Jeremy Renner.

        • DamOTclese2

          Good fucking grief, David, would you sit the fuck up straight in your chair? Guess this asshole crime boss did not have a mother that taught him to sit up straight.

      • KJP in Portland

        SPF: Yeah, you know…they are! I never really thought of it that way either…until now. And yes, in our lifetimes we will see their insanity-causing, criminal, extortionistic, fraudulent, devious, scandalous ’empire’ either implode and disintegrate from within OR, finally law enforcement will take them all away in handcuffs and sell off their assets to repay all those bilked or affected by their plague on the Earth!

        • Peter

          However, you may be sure that if all thosde assets are sold, little to none of it will be returned to anyone. Between the multiple attorneys and the pols, any monies received from such sales will be siphoned off. Sadly.

          • KJP in Portland

            Unfortunately astutely true. But, I’d love to see that ‘short actor’ be led away in handcuffs for aiding and abetting the slavery that caters to him and the other celebs. That SUV story a few days ago really irked me.

      • Captain Howdy

        Say what? I find that difficult to believe. If there’s anything that the church of scientology obviously is, it’s an ongoing criminal conspiracy

        • WildaBeast

          I don’t see why it can’t be both. It is a criminal organization (hence, organized crime), but it also conspires to prevent law enforcement and legislative powers from a) discovering how foul it is and b) putting a stop to it.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Yep..

      • DamOTclese2

        Scientology is first and foremost organized crime. Lt. Ray Emmons classified Scientology as organized crime, and some of the older FBI documents classify the criminal enterprise specifically as organized ctime.

      • Missionary Kid

        Here’s some quotes I’ve collected about Co$ and the mafia.

        The big difference between the church of scientology and the mafia is the mafia actually go to church on Sunday.
        Joining Scientolgy for the psychological wins is like joining the mafia for the sauce.
        Joining scientology for the status is like joining the mafia for the sauce.

        This has been used often: The criminal enterprise known as $cientology.

        • sugarplumfairy

          love it.. I’ll be using that first one..

          • Missionary Kid

            Here’s the entire list. You’ll have to refresh to see it.
            THINGS SAID ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY
            Cash trumps coherence in Scientology.โ€ โ€“ Vance Woodward
            If there’s one thing I’ve learned about Scientology, it’s that they never learn.
            $cientology is really the most expensive role playing game ever
            $cientology: Disassociated schizophrenia at a premium price.
            $cilons are the Masters of Unintended Irony.
            All of Scientology comes from four misunderstood words. Those words are “modern”, “science”, “mental health”, and โ€œreligion.โ€
            Being a clam requires full burial in the church’s sand pit.
            Being in Co$ is the spiritual equivalent of doing crystal meth: brain drain
            Co$ has erotomania (stalking syndrome) It’s also called De Clerambault’s Syndrome.
            Dear Scientologists, you were lied to. The whole time.
            First, you pay $cientology for its reality. Next you pay while they adjust it.
            If a $cilon says she is alive, take a pulse. If she has one, she’s lying
            If it isn’t fraud, it isn’t scientology.
            If it’s Scientology, they’re lying.
            If the Borg asimiliated the Ferengi you’d get $cientology.
            If what you’re doing doesn’t work, do MORE of it.
            If you’re in Scientology buying Humanitarian status, you’re not a humanitarian.
            In a Scientology building. EVERY room is a fundraising room.
            In Scientology, it’s always your fault.
            In scientology, the patients pay the master to create the phenomenon.
            In the real world, patients pay the doctors to make it stop.
            In the wog world, 100K buys you an impressive college degree. In scientology, the acquired knowledge barely qualifies you to operate a cash register.
            It is ALWAYS opposite day in Scientology!
            It’s ironic how ex-scientologists describe leaving the cos as their biggest win of all.
            Joining Scientolgy for the psychological wins is like joining the mafia for the sauce.
            Joining scientology for the status is like joining the mafia for the sauce.
            Likely to amuse connoisseurs of human gullibility
            Likely to amuse connoisseurs of human gullibility
            Money paid to $cientology represents fealty to DM, like the head of a much more honest organization gets: the mafia.
            Religion is free; Scientology is neither
            Risible magnum of snake oil
            Rx for $cientology, Hang onto your wallet and run like hell.
            Science is a good antidote for Scientology
            Scientolgy degree: doctorate of illiteracy.
            Scientologists suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect
            Scientologists: The worst friends money can buy.
            Scientology – fastest imploding religion in the world.
            Scientology – getting it wrong since forever!
            Scientology โ€“ It’s all about money.
            Scientology …it’s like autism …only without the good stuff.
            Scientology Brain = Spin Cycle
            Scientology is a cult operating as a business masquerading as a religion. – Bryan Seymour
            Scientology, It’s always worse than you think.
            Scientology, it’s not only worse than you think, it’s worse than you can imagine!
            Scientology, the Self-Promoting Religion Living on the Fringe of Society – Anette Iren Johansen
            Scientology: It’s like Amway, but without the useful cleaning products.
            Scientology: As Wrong As Creationism, But In The Other Direction.
            Scientology: Clearing the planet one bank account at a time.
            Scientology: It Satirizes Itself
            Scientology: making the less able unstable.
            Scientology: McDonald’s service at Morton’s prices
            Scientology: The Jerry Springer Show meets North Korea
            Scientology: The rapturous celebration of the win of a mental illness called OT.
            Scientology: the Theology of Finger-pointing.
            Scientology: They’d litigate a turd if they didn’t like it
            Scientology: We mishandle the truth.
            Scientology: where every day is like being in 7th grade again.
            Scientology…a River of Fear runs through it.
            Scientology…always many decades behind.
            Scientology’s legal mindset: Law and ordure
            Scnethics Corollary: The amount of lies told by $ciontology are inversely proportionate to the size of the group spoken to.
            The $cientology symbol: The Double Cross
            The big difference between the church of scientology and the mafia is the mafia actually go to church on Sunday.
            The Bridge to Total Freedom is paved with abandoned good intentions. – Eivol Ekdal
            The criminal organization known as $cientology
            The further up you go, the worse it gets. – Jason Beghe
            The only insight in Scientogy is “Ron is right.”
            The only thing Scientology will ever clear is your pocketbook
            The type of cheese the Moon is made from
            What motion has helped others? Walking out of Scientology.
            What was useful wasn’t new. What was new wasn’t useful
            What’s the coolest thing to do in Scientology? Leave.
            You know you’re in a cult when …you are FORBIDDEN from knowing how the church is run and what they are doing with donations.
            There is no science in $cientology.
            Blinded by the tek, ripped off by a douche, another conner in the night…

    • WhereIsSHE

      IRONY:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEq3-LHHrNE

      “Dr” Hanan Islam rallying the bikers for her “UPFEST”.

      • WildaBeast

        I’m just looking at the still right now…she’s as dead-eyed as a Squirrel Buster!

        • Poison Ivy

          Sociopaths have those dead eyes too.

          • WhereIsSHE

            Yeah, Ivy. I’m going with sociopath on this one.

          • monkeyknickers

            Unless they’re looking in the mirror.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Absolutely. Hides under Good Cause umbrella, but when you lift the rock, same old snake oil.

          • KJP in Portland

            Oh hell yes!

        • no_srsly

          sorry but your comment brought this to mind!

    • Captain Howdy

      You live in Canada If I remember correctly. Biker gangs have been the least of our worries in the U.S for a long time. Instead of the Angels or Pagans, who have a few hundred members, we’re dealing with the likes of the Crips, Bloods and MS-!3, who have have tens of thousands of members nationwide.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Yeah, we have some of that here but not in my neighbourhood. I rarely think about them. I grew up with the biker gangs. Young people like me were terrified of them. One childhood friend described a neighbourhood biker as, “A heavy-duty guy who makes his living with his body”. He hit it on the head.

        Three childhood friends worked for the bikers in low-level positions. I heard stories about the processing and selling of drugs. I figured that if I knew these things the cops knew about them too, yet they did nothing. Looking back, it was a question of limited resources chasing a well-protected organization. The cops wanted the kingpins and were waiting for the right moment which eventually came. It took a long time and a lot of people were hurt while they waited.

        It is not a perfect parallel but there is still something to be learned. I could have brought up the Mafia but I really know nothing about them beyond what I have read. When Scientology leaves us there will still be Freezone nutjobs aplenty who believe in the virtues of L.Ron but not in those of Mean Man Miscavige. They will cause a lot of harm, but it won’t be as much harm as Scientology had caused.

        A friend is at the door. I have to cut this short. Hey, that might be a good thing.

        • Robert Eckert

          Friends at the door are a sign that you have a real life!

          • Captain Howdy

            And when the phone rings..even though 98% of the time it’s a bill collector or the doctor’s office, HAH!

            • Exterrier

              Could be Squirrel Busters or Sea Org recruiters. Peek out the curtains. Set the Dobermans loose.

          • richelieu jr

            What is this ‘Real Life’ of which you speak?

            • Robert Eckert

              I could not tell you from personal experiences, but I have heard rumors.

        • Mooser

          “A friend is at the door. I have to cut this short. Hey, that might be a good thing.”

          Yeah, I think it might.

  • Edward Whalley

    Babies? Babies don’t even take drugs! They don’t know how?

    • WhereIsSHE

      In some communities, their “babies” are still their “babies”, even when they are, like, 18.. or 22…closer to 6 ft tall and need to shave on a daily basis.

      • phronsie

        Yeah, but the rhetoric is also more effective when you use such emotive words; “oh, the poor babies, who is going to care for the babies? Don’t you care about babies??” Sheesh.

        Are you raping babies??? If you don’t stand with us, then you probably are!!!

        Sheesh.

        • WildaBeast

          Every time I hear the sentence, “Won’t somebody think of the children?” or any other variant, I want to punch face. I don’t, but I want to. And it’s because of exactly what you just said, phronsie: it’s all manipulative rhetoric playing on words that have heavy emotional associations. If your argument has validity, you don’t need to use such cheap devices for it to be successful. Any time someone uses those rhetorical devices, I immediately classify at least 90% of what they’re saying as bovine excrement.

    • DamOTclese2

      Haven’t you ever seen news reports where the parents of the latest NRA-approved mass murder all cry about how their alleged shooting sons are all babies who would never hurt anyone? How their babies are all innocent and it must be a horrible mistake?

  • Observer

    “We are under attack! Substance abuse services are illegally being withheld from the youth of black and brown communities are being protected from the egregious scam we’re perpetrating, which incidentally was concocted by a racist white man!!”

    Fixt.

  • ze moo

    Nice to see NarCONon type ‘rehabs’ lose their funding. There is no way the clams can actually prove any success numbers and the ‘consumers’ (patients) get is an education the wit and wisdom of Lroon. From what I have seen, most legislators will listen, nod their heads and promise to ‘look into it and nothing will actually be done.

  • media_lush
    • sugarplumfairy

      Lol.. Good find..

    • 1subgenius

      “(no relation to the founder of the Church of Scientology L. Ron Hubbard)”
      He prolly gets that a lot.

      • WildaBeast

        Poor guy…lol.

    • KJP in Portland

      Pretty cool. I’d like one-if I were wealthy.

    • 1subgenius

      Can’t make this shit up, can you.

    • Interested

      oMG is there something in the name that loans itself to gullible people. ! Why, if the world is doomed , do you need a 47inch Tv? Who in the Hell is broadcasting? And only 90 days! What catastrophe does that protect you from… Aliens! Anything nuclear or germ would need a hell of a lot longer. Switzerland had, for honks, a nuclear phobia. Houses had to be built with shelters, chemical toilets and bunks. This was checked regularly by the authorities. under cities like Geneva, there are cities with bunks, hospitals etc,in case of nuclear war. Nestlรฉ have invented a food ( which I believe is disgusting) that lasts 10 years. And yet when there was Chernobil we were never told, it was a beautiful day and we were all outside getting dosses of radiation.

    • DamOTclese2

      There’s a rightarded idiot born every second.

  • KJP in Portland

    Friends: My thought for the day: I am thinking of seeing a chiropractor, to see if that will help my sciatica, back and hip. I literally feel like asking beforehand if the ‘doctor’ is a scientologist. I’m not making this up…I actually am considering asking.

    • 1subgenius

      Investigate all options before Chiropractic. Investigate the chiropractor if you go to one. And not just for Scientology connections. Don’t just look for scientology either, WISE, etc.
      And if you just ask them they will lie.

      • KJP in Portland

        1sub…that’s right. Thanks. I’ll practice my ‘due diligence”!

        • 1subgenius

          Notice I didn’t say don’t go to one.
          I don’t think I would, but people gotta have the right to do their thing.
          I say “Trust your instincts.”
          Of course if you’re insane, or a moron, this doesn’t apply.
          And if you’re insane, or a moron, you wouldn’t know it.
          There’s the rub.

          • KJP in Portland

            LOL!

          • Mooser

            “And if you’re insane, or a moron, you wouldn’t know it.”

            That’s patently absurd! Sure, I might not know it myself, but after so many years of people telling me I’m an insane moron, I had to admit they were right.

    • phronsie

      Here’s a very telling video Captain Howdy posted several days ago:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQb8FK2PM6Y

    • WhereIsSHE

      I feel for you, KJP. I get terrible bouts of sciatica. I know how one can get to his/her wits’ end. But please consider standard physical therapy (or really good exercises you can do at home on your own) before you go that route. If you do go, make sure you have all the appropriate radiological exams done in a proper medical facility first, because you do not want one of these people TOUCHING a hair on your body if you have certain diagnoses. For instance, I have two annulated discs at L4-L5 and L5-S1, BUT I ALSO have a complete compression fracture at T7 from a horrific mountain biking accident. Someone who doesn’t know the latter half of that– and who is, quite frankly, practicing quackery–could easily cause severe and debilitating damage.
      But if you choose to go, you should research all reviews–and most definitely ask outright any questions you have, including whether the person is a Scientologist– or a member of WISE– or uses STERLING MANAGEMENT, etc, etc, etc.
      You do NOT want to end up on their mailing list, at the very least.

      EDIT: But really, do NOT go to a chiropractor.

      • KJP in Portland

        Good, good, good! I’m getting GOOD advice here. I’ve been staying on the purely medical route, but through the VA, my surgery wait has been really long (due to their huge backlog). I may just tough it out and keep doing my stretching exercises for my sciatica and hold out another 1-2 months. My ortho consult is a month away. Mine is all L2 through L5 with moderate+ scoliosis that happened sometime between my 20s and now.

        Truly, thanks for the caring and warning. I forgot about WISE and, I’ll be looking up Sterling Management.

        I do know they can do more harm than good, and I’m still not totally convinced I want someone jerking my back around when I’m already in shitloads of pain.

        Again, thanks for the excellent info!

        • 1subgenius

          I truly don’t want to make light of your situation, and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, but I always get a kick out of this quote from our own Yogi Berra, the late great Detroit Tigers manager Sparky Anderson.
          “A little pain won’t hurt you.”

          • Robert Eckert

            Lucy: You’re not afraid of a little pain, are you?
            Linus: Of course I am. PAIN HURTS!!

        • WhereIsSHE

          Sterling Management Systems operates under a license from WISE and uses Hubbard Management Tech. They typically target dental, accounting and vet offices, but also other types of “professional” management practices as well.

          They are particularly insidious.
          If you ever see a Sterling Management Systems document in any professional office, run for your life.

          If you ever have time to go down another rabbit hole, this is a very good one.
          It is a series of videos, so you can watch just one at a time.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nbF78dPK3g&list=PLC7B0BB98305AAE03

          • KJP in Portland

            I never knew all this, especially Sterling Mgmt. Systems. I’m going to keep an eye out from now on. Seriously, thanks!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Hollander consultants were another scientologist ‘management’ firm that targeted professionals. Also “Singer”. Hollander got started in Portland IIRC.

            • Interested

              You see there are so many sub sub companies with ties to So$ can someone who knows compile a list that tony can put on his blog to warn everyone.

        • Peter

          That’s why I highly recommend NUCCA chiros. The adjustments are so gentle you often don’t feel that anything has taken place. But it has.

        • pilatesgeek

          KJP,
          Ask your doctor if you can use myofascial and trigger point release tools before stretching. The Foam Roller and the Stick (it’s really called that!) are great for getting rid of trigger points (muscle knots that create tension in the muscle and tendons) and the fascia (the connective tissue that attaches muscle to skin, so they move together). I teach pilates and fitness classes and work with a lot of people with lower back issues.

          Sometimes, when we try to stretch and the fascia is tight and we have trigger points, the stretch will actually cause muscle spasms. The trigger points and fascia need to be massaged and the tension released prior to the stretch. The foam roller and the stick are self massage tools. Check out amazon.com and do a search for both of them. You will see similar items in Target in the fitness section as well.

          I’ve been a lurker here for a few months, never posted and a “Never In”, but I did have a brush with the crazy cult about 9 years ago.

          While on a walk one beautiful summer day in Midtown Sacramento, I saw a sign that said “Administrative Assistant Wanted” in a window. The building looked like any other office building, no gigantic “Scientology” sign had been put up yet. I was 7.5 months pregnant and looking for an easy, part time gig so I could go out and buy more baby stuff.

          I went in, filled out the really weird “application” and looked at the young kid who was “interviewing” me, and asked, “Why does this application have so many personal questions?”. I answered every single question with total honesty. I graduated from Chico State University with degrees in Psychology, Exercise Physiology and Nutrition, and had spent many years going to Grateful Deads shows, so I had some really mind blowing answers! I figured out that something was up with this place and application as soon as I started filling it out, but I had nothing better to do, so I decided to see what was really going on here.

          They told me I would be interviewed after I watched a short training film. I was taken to a large, theatre style room that would seat maybe 20-30 people. I immediately noticed the one-way window on the left side of the room. The video started, it had a vaguely familiar actor. I spent more time trying to figure out what I’d seen the actor in than what he was saying until he looked into the camera, like he was speaking directly to me and said, “If you don’t do this now, you might as well go out that door and kill yourself.”

          Uh….say what????? I……FREAKED OUT! I jumped up and ran to the weird window (not pretty at 7.5 months along) and started screaming at them to turn this fucking bullshit off!! Come out here and explain just what the fuck you think you’re doing showing something like this to a pregnant woman! To ANY person – telling me to kill myself??? I thought this was a training video, etc. etc. I was really pissed!

          I stormed out of the theatre, back into the first room I was in and DEMANDED that they give me my application. I wouldn’t leave without it, and where is it? I think I grabbed it from the young kid who I spoke to when I first came in, asking about the admin position. I went outside and stood there telling anyone who walked by that this a cult’s buidling! Don’t let them fool you – its Scientology and they are a cult!

          Then I got hungry and walked home. I ended up getting a part time job at 24 hour fitness until I gave birth. All of my checks from 24 hour went to cute baby stuff. I still teach pilates and fitness classes (bootcamp is my fave) and read a lot about the cult and what it’s done to people. I’m seriously thinking about checking out this thing tomorrow at the Capitol. I noticed they give an address to meet at, but do not clarify that they are going to the Capitol buiding.

          • aquaclara

            Terrific first post, Pilatesgeek! What a story – and quick thinking for retrieving your application. Gosh, the tricks that the cult applies when they want to bring someone in.

            On the recruiting topic, my brother, who is very familiar with the cult (we grew up in Clearwater), answered a job ad on Craigs List one time. When he called, they started asking him questions before he could even get an address from them. The moment he heard the address, he told them off and hung up.

            But I wonder how many people other people fall for the job application scam?
            Welcome!

      • ze moo

        Neurosurgeons are worth the money. Members of WISE and ABLE lie about their connections, it drives customers away. I think Chrios should be treated like a physical therapist. Sixty Minutes (US) did a very good story on chiros a few years ago, seems the difference between a quack and one who is useful, is will the chiro ‘adjust’ an infant or toddler. Any who do that are quacks. If your regular doctor can’t refer you to a neurosurgeon, ask around and see who can recommend one.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup. My late cousin Chuck was a chiro. I was visiting him when his daughter and grandson came over for a visit. Chuck was playing with his grandson, when he said, “I think you need another adjustment.”

          The look of absolute terror on this little kid’s face and his protests really tore me up. I wanted to call the cops, but I don’t live in that state, he was a well known “professional” in the town, and it was a family choice.

          Chuck died from complications of a disease that he claimed chiropractic had cured him of when he was a young man. Belief is a powerful thing.

      • Peter

        Totally disagree. You’ve bought into the AMA scam which they were finally taken to court about in the 90s…and lost big time. I would agree definitely on xrays, but chiros xray different views than medical doctors do. Keep in mind that most chiros study at least four years in chiro colleges. My latest one did 8 years. Find out something about the degree earned and the place from which it was earned. I’m sure there are phony colleges, but individual states check these things out fairly carefully.

        • WhereIsSHE

          Where is Cap’n when I need him?=(!

        • Missionary Kid

          I disagree with you. The problem to me is that chiropractic has a whole bunch of different schools of thought. There are different methods used, and different claims made by chiros.

          If a chiro makes any claims regarding anything else than joint or back problems, I’d run like hell. They often are peddling different nostrums, labeled as “natural,” or claiming to cure specific ills. Think Crusty Ally’s products.

          As far as natural goes, so is horse shit and hemlock, as well as some of the most virulent poisons in existence.

          Any drug never just affects one part of the body, because biochemistry is very complex. Everything that happens as the result of taking something are effects. Side effects are just the ones that are considered undesirable.

          Yes, drug companies don’t push some very simple drugs because there’s no profit in them, but the claims made on the bottles in your health food stores are amazing. Often, there is actually little of the featured ingredient in the bottle. Some ingredients are now banned, not because they were ineffective, but because some manufacturer got careless, and produced very similar, but harmful drugs because they weren’t careful with their production line.

          I do feel that chiros can help an individual in terms of their diet. I saw my father helped because his chiro got him to eat a lot of fruits, vegetables, and salads. I have an appreciation of salads because of that.

          You said, “Keep in mind that most chiros study at least four years in chiro colleges. My latest one did 8 years.” I’d point out that $cientologists often study far longer. That doesn’t make them any more knowledgeable. Garbage In Garbage Out.

          I have a friend who’s a chiro, and he doesn’t try to push any of the other crap on people, and I respect him for that.

          On the other hand, surgeons are trained to use the knife, and they tend to go for the weapon that they’re familiar with – surgery, but I’ve noticed a trend is now to avoid surgeries, especially with new techniques and procedures that have been developed.

          IMO, if I had a back problem, I’d talk to a physical therapist. They know their limitations, but because they are hands on people, they see individual patients more often. They cannot prescribe, and they may require referral from a doctor, but they have a lot of knowledge that can be useful, such as suggesting exercises and lifestyle changes..

      • Interested

        5years ago it started with a pain in my lower shoulder . Within a couple of days I lost the use of my right arm. I was in so much pain. I saw a neurologist who, after having done a plethora of tests, informed me, over the phone(hours before leaving on holiday) that I had a neurological disease that would get steadily worse until I was paralysed completely. (Private doctor not NHS) I was so close to finishing my life I called two friends at 1am leaving a message on their answer phone, to check up on me the next day as I did not want my kid to find me… The pain was unbelievable. For weeks I had not been Able to sit, lie, walk. One of those friends called me back and told me to see an osteopath. Even though I had seen 4 doctors, had a multitude of tests done, this osteo was the only one to say which medication worked, and the only one to get me cured of the pain. When I have the slightest twinge I don’t just go and see him… I run.

    • WildaBeast

      Research anyone you’re thinking of going to very thoroughly before you set foot in their office.
      That said, my stepmother’s mother has really nasty sciatica. It was torturing her for years and, quite frankly, turning her into a terrible bitch (I don’t think she’d ever hurt all the time before). She’s found, not total, but maybe 80% relief (which is a relief to us all, I assure you), through a combination of meditative breathing and massage therapy. I’m racking my brain trying to remember what kind of massage it was because something tells me it wasn’t just regular massage, but dammit I can’t remember. If it comes to me I’ll post it here.
      Good luck, hon. I have something that feels just like sciatica, but isn’t; piriformis, pyriformis, shit, I don’t know to spell it. It’s the swelling of a muscle near the spot where my back turns into my ass, and it puts pressure on the nerve so when I step it feels like I’m being stabbed. It hurts and I don’t like it.
      I wish you luck getting your sciatica under control, KJP. Maybe consider finding out if massage therapy might be an option for you. It strikes me as being a bit less risky than chiropractic work – and I’m not one of the people who believe that all chiropractors are evil quacks, either.
      Also, the Scilons don’t seem to chase down RMTs in the same way they go after chiropractors! :p

      • noseinabk

        I found a massage therapist who does some fantastic muscle work. This is not a fluffy spa massage, and can hurt a bit at first. One hour, and 2 months of low back pain gone. After the 2nd visit my neck and arm numbness finally relented. I accidentally came across this lady when talking to someone about my 2 months of chiro visits.
        Good luck KJP.

        • KJP in Portland

          Thanks!

          • Missionary Kid

            I agree, a good massage therapist can be helpful. If nothing else, they can often get muscles that are irritating a nerve because they are in spasm, to relax.

    • Peter

      I’ve been seeing chiros since 1964, only one of them a scio, and I’ve gotten great relief from virtually ALL of them. I can especially recommend those who’ve trained under the NUCCA system which is painless and avoids the “snap, crackle & pop” of other chiros.

      • Poison Ivy

        Ok I’ll admit it – I see an Atlas Orthogonal chiropracter for neck pain/recurrent migraines. There is no “snapping” involved and for me, it has helped a great deal.
        This dude would fall over laughing if some Scientologist approached him, thankfully.
        When I was in LA I saw other ‘regular’ chirorpracters and had some good results. But I’d avoid anyone who says you have to come in once a week or more, at least after the acute pain phases has ended.

        • WildaBeast

          I do moving work. (This is a big joke in my life: I am five foot, one and a half inches tall, and about 120-125lbs. People have actually laughed when they see me at the door. Then I move their shit.) My boss had a nasty fall about 20 years back and has an infrequent but recurring shoulder problem that causes him a fair bit of pain and inconvenience. He sees a chiropractor for it. He said that when he first came in, he went maybe 3-4 times in two months, and now only goes when it acts up (which is about twice a year). His chiropractor is totally fine with this and has never tried to push additional treatment on him. She also tells him very firmly (the only way to speak to my boss :p) that he is *not* to work for a full 24 hours after an adjustment, unless he wants to totally wreck his back and end up in her office for the rest of his natural life. She didn’t have to tell him that, but she did, voluntarily, without his asking.
          I’ve seen him before and after adjustments. He’s one of these work-through-the-pain folks, but when you’re carrying a huge sofa-bed through a too-small door and the guy on the other end of the horrible great pig of a couch is hurting, you can tell by the way he speaks and moves. Two days later, all the careful movement, the ‘you need to hold it like this because I have to hold it like that’ is gone. And it doesn’t come back for months.
          If you lived in my city, KJP, I’d tell you to call my boss and have him refer you to his chiropractor, if you really want to see a chiropractor. But you don’t live here ๐Ÿ™

        • Missionary Kid

          I agree. BTW, what I noticed was when I had a “migrane” (they turned out to be sinus headaches) that I had a knot of muscle that was tightened up next to my backbone just below the shoulder on the side that my head ached. When that was massaged away, along with a back massage, my headache left, and my sinuses drained.

    • RMycroft

      And you don’t think that you won’t get a “Not a Scientologist but” evasion if you strike Fool’s Gold?

    • AnyOldName1

      There are good Chiropractors out there – real clinicians. I went thru the same problem with my Mom in Jan/Feb this year. She got hit with Sciatica and couldn’t walk. Took her to MD who referred to Physical Therapy. In her case 6 weeks of PT did nothing. I looked for a Chiropractor in her area (abt 2 hours from me) – but it’s a rural area & limited options. Ended up bringing her back to my home for a week and seeing my Chiropractor of 20+ years. I should mention this is the same Dr. who hired me to take over their insurance claims when I was laid off 4 years ago AND put me on their health plan when COBRA ran out as they believe in seeing MD’s.

      Personally, I asked if the Dr was a “traditional” Chiropractor and where they went to school. Palmer School in Iowa (campus in San Jose) was founded by the founder of Chiropractic & where my Doctors went. Some Chiropractors will say they use the “Palmer method” – this usually means traditional treatment. Also, I asked about the types of treatment (massage, ultra sound, muscle stim, stretching in addition to manipulation), if they used any special equipment (NO!), length of appointments (30 min means they actually work on you / 45-60 minutes for the first visit). Looked for an emphasis on Physical Therapy by asking.

      If you can get images (x-rays) and your imagining report ahead of time. You can take both to the Chiropractor. Reputable Doctors will set up a consult prior to treatment – talk to them before you let them work on you. Also, many do sell vitamins or “wellness” products to supplement their income (Insurance companies are cutting reimbursements – paying less this year than last) – but the good ones won’t push you on it.

      BTW, I think a clam quack will lie to you about whether they are a clam.

      Hope that helps!

      • DamOTclese2

        There are no “good Chiropractor,” there are only criminals who rook and swindle money from the rubes, marks, and suckers that think it works, and fucking idiots who actually think it works. Chiropractic is a fraud.

    • kemist

      Can’t you see a physical therapist ?

      Those generally aren’t into weird woo of any sort, and are actually taught human physiology without all the nonsense about subluxations. They also generally don’t lie about prognosis.

      However they do tend to give you homework ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Mooser

        Physical therapy, (especially post-op or post injury rehab,) has come a long way, and can work wonders. Good physical therapy can save your mobility.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Yep, physical therapy all the way! I used to go to chiros and they messed me up and didn’t discover some severe problems I had with back and neck.

      It was getting to where I couldn’t walk without pain and hitting an unexpected bump almost made me curl up on the sidewalk.

      It wasn’t until I got some physical therapy at the hospital clinic that I started to get a lot better and have maintained that improvement. I can walk all over the place now. I do have to be a bit careful, but it’s not constantly painful.

      Make sure you have them do a full diagnosis with xray, etc. You don’t want to do something that makes it worse. In my experience chiros don’t xray or fully diagnose.

    • DamOTclese2

      Chiropractic is a fraud, a scam, it does not work.

    • Deeana

      I’ve known lots of people who “believe in chiropractic” – and that’s the exact phrase I’ve heard used many times. I was in a job position where patients got to decide where to go for “work related” back pain. The company had both medical doctors and chiropracters on the panel of approved medical providers. (Because the union insisted the chirpractors be placed on the list) Also, Husband #1 swore by it. Then he finally went and had surgery for a herniated disk.
      The idea that chiropractors take any kind of “different” xray is absurd. The only difference I’ve ever seen is that their images are usually inferior due to old equipment. (I have seen xray images side by side taken of a fracture in an E.R. and then at an ortho’s office the next day. Unbelievable difference in clarity. The ortho had the latest equipment – bet you thought it was the E.R., huh?
      Back conditions are treated by both orthopedic specialists and neurosurgeons. The more sophisticated imaging studies are often needed for proper diagnosis. Things like MRI, CAT scan with contrast, myelogram. “Sciatica” is an old-fashioned, catchall term. You need a more definitive diagnosis and will likely get it when you see the specialist.
      Also, as a tip – learn what your patient rights are in dealing with the VA for medical care and make sure you get them. If you need a patient advocate, get one. Look online for info about this. You can often go outside of their facilities and they must pay for it, at least most of it. Also look into the rights to a second opinion.
      I went to a chiropractor once, for neck pain. He scared the shyte out of me – gave me some bear hugs (???) then had me lay on table and he did some kind of a karate-like blow to my neck. Never went back and no, it didn’t help with the neck pain.

  • WhereIsSHE
    • Poison Ivy

      He seems like a salt of the earth kind of guy. I sure hope he has done a little research on Scientology.

      • WhereIsSHE

        He does, P.I.
        I understand why you hope he’s researched Scientology, but remember: he is charged with the duty of deciding the case before him based solely on the facts presented to him and then applying applicable law. In other words, he is not supposed to allow either his bias in favor of a party or his prejudice against a party to influence his opinions and decisions/rulings on the case.

        I doubt the people of Comal County, Texas have had much personal experience with the CoS, so it’s most likely that Judge Waldrip is about to get an education of a lifetime.

        What I liked about that last link I provided was what it demonstrates about his judicial temperment.
        He paid attention to the facts, and was not politically persuaded to ignore the facts in favor of siding with the government (which you do not see a lot of in Texas court rooms– or politics).
        It’s too bad that Molly Ivins is gone, because she was the best at covering the corruption (and making it terrifically funny and addicitively interesting at the same time). Molly was to Texas corruption what Tony is to Scientology.

  • Racnad

    So Scientology is working with Nation of Islam. Since the one country in the world that most resembles the Sea Org model implemented on a national scale is North Korea, can a meeting and alliance between David Miscavige and Kim Jong Un be in the cards soon?

    • WhereIsSHE

      If the cult gets Dennis Rodman hooked on the cans, it is a surefire bet.

      • Mooser

        Why not replace the cans with tin-foil covered regulation basketballs?

        • q-bird

          CERTIFIED “tin-foil covered regulation basketballs”
          that’s real important.

          Moose dahlink

          • Mooser

            “Moose dahlink”

            Wait! That voice! Where have I heard that voice before?

  • George Layton

    to initiate query into why so many black agencies are being Shut down and treated as criminals prior to any wrong doing being proven?

    denied drug and alcohol services which are federally protected, entitlement programs without any legislature being initiated?

    Does that sound like they are saying “It’s true but no one has forced us to stop yet.”?

  • Truthiwant

    Off topic but I couldn’t resist posting this. And no, it’s not a joke. It really was used by Hubbard.

    This is the “beep” meter from 1954. It would give off a beep sound when a painful area of the body was located with a probe. LRH discussed this meter in his 20 January lecture entitled “Audio (Beep) Meter Demonstration.”

    Now, I wonder what part of the body that probe could be inserted in to?!

    • 0tessa

      Is it like a Geigerteller to locate bodythetans?

      • Truthiwant

        Could well be! Radioactive body thetans that hide up one’s…..

    • Mark

      My alternative practitioner friend, Dr. Strabismus of Utrecht (on whom be peace) prefers the device he inherited from Dr. Thomas Hieronymus, which includes an aerial and any number of unnerving probes:

      • Truthiwant

        I guess the ariel would be for exteriorized body thetans!

        When you look at Hubbards meters you can see that the mind blowing “technology” that he supposedly had was at the most on par with the technology of the time. Nothing space age and infact not very advanced technology at all.

        • Mark

          At least this one comes in a nice wooden box.

          • KJP in Portland

            I’d like that aerial for one of my AM (MW) loop antennas!

            • Mark

              I’m sure it’s based on a 1920’s radio set-up, but in this case it’s supposed to pick up – or possibly transmit – Hieronymus’s ‘eloptic rays’, whatever the hell they are.

            • Mooser

              Yeah, but a Leslie gives you lots of Doppler effect! It’s AM-FM, FM-AM, factory air-conditioned from our air-conditioned factory! Now with Tremelo and Chorale!

            • Mark

              I think Dr. Strabismus uses one of these:

            • Mooser

              Guitar pedals are, in the main, nasty things.

            • Mark

              I don’t think it’s a guitar pedal, but a pre-amp with valves (vacuum-tubes) to induce distortion. They also make ‘Butt Probe’ and ‘Agonizer’ models…

            • RMycroft

              Take that, hook it up to your Orgone Box and strap a couple of Dean Drives to the outside. Zooooom!

      • Mooser

        Oh Mark, how easily you are taken in. A Leslie 3300 will out-perform any one of those gadgets.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Mark: You sit and home alone day after day and wonder why you are not invited to Church of Scientology events.

        We in RTC will tell you why: You have a German psych with one glass eye and strange cravings to probe his patients in unnatural ways.

        Dr. Utrecht doing unnatural things to you with gizmo that, while having an admittedly attractive mahogany case. puts your case into vicious restim such that you post on hater blogs on the fringes of the internet.

        Mark! Come up to present time!

        Can’t you see that standard Scientology processing as delivered at Flag is your only hope? If you disconnect from Dr. Utrecht we in RTC will allow you to come to the grand opening of COB’s giant circus tent!

        • Mark

          Hail, oh great Count Cesare Mattei!

          As you and your RTC pals surely would have noticed if your vaunted Thetan abilities had been operating properly, Dr. Strabismus (on whom be peace) is not German, but hails from the pretty Dutch city of Utrecht – or so he claims. Nor does he have a glass eye, being a martyr to heterotropia, commonly known as a squint. Even his curiously beefy Oriental assistant Miss Tsai-Chin Proutley is mystified that the good doctor has so far been unable to cure himself – but such are the penalties an alternative practitioner must endure.

          And me having girly magazines lying about? You’ve got the wrong number there, sweetie!

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            So no girly magazines laying around your place?

            That can only mean one thing: You’re a Jehovah’s Witness!

            • Mark

              If they were laying, where are the eggs?

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Mark, grammar gotchas don’t work with us. We in fact have our own very highly specialized, amazing, and deluxe language whereby both persons and magazines may be said to either lay or lie as we wish. Moreover, we in RTC believe the eggs are with your Dr. Utrecht’s assistant Miss Tsai-Chin Proutley, a person of interest spotted today on many televisions by our operatives who were lying in their offices:

              http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/Assitant_zps715a92d9.png

    • Mooser

      Oh please! Mt Triplett 650 is equipped with the optional, extra-cost “AC-RFV probe! It traces signal, it does.

    • J. Swift

      Another beautiful Mathison electropsychometer.

      Volney Mathison was truly an interesting guy. He wrote some science fiction like Hubbard. One of Mathison’s stories described the e-meter he soon invented.

      Hubbard licensed the e-meter from Mathison and used it in session. In 1954, Mathison refused to sell his e-meter patent to Hubbard. Hubbard immediately ordered the e-meter to discontinued for use in Scientology and denounced the meter:

      “Yesterday, we used an instrument called an E-Meter to register whether or not the process was still getting results so that the auditor would know how long to continue it. While the E-Meter is an interesting investigation instrument and has played its part in research, it is not today used by the auditor…. As we long ago suspected, the intervention of a mechnical [sic] gadget between the auditor and the preclear had a tendency to depersonalize the session….”

      In 1958, Hubbard had two of his people invent a “workaround” patent of the Mathison meter. Hubbard then reintroduced his meter into session.

      In 1964, Mathison wrote, “I decry the doings of trivial fakers, such as scientologists and the like, who glibly denounce hypnosis and then try covertly to use it in their phony systems”

      This is all on the Wiki page on Mathison to which I will add some additional content that page lacks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volney_Mathison

  • Bradley Greenwood

    I am 30 miles away from this Sac-Sci-Fest… who wants to join me? We need to organize! (And I need to get my fat ass out of the house).

    • Cher

      I’m 40 minutes from Sac but have meetings I can’t miss Tuesday or I would be right there with you! I’m going to makes some calls and see if I can change the times so I can be there for at some of it if people are planning on going.

    • junojones

      You might try WWP protest/planning threads. There are several Sacanons and a few bay area peeps who come up regularly. If I still lived there, I’d join ya, but I’m 1200 miles away nowadays.

  • phronsie

    If only scientologists would apply some of this tech:

    http://woofighters.org/2010/06/warning-signs-that-something-is-not-scientifi/

  • Spackle Motion

    “Med-Cal”….REALLY? They couldn’t even bother themselves with spelling it right? It’s “M-e-d-i-C-a-l”. “Medi-Cal”. Once more, it is Medi-Cal (pronounced med-y-cal).

    Tony, I can give you some insight to what I believe is driving this ridiculous “march on Sacramento”. Starting in January of this year, California’s CHIP plan (Children’s Health Insurance Plan, which is a low cost, mostly subsidized health plan available to the children of families that make 150% – 300% Federal Poverty Level. Last year Governor Brown eliminated this program and all children were forced into the state’s Medicaid program, Medi-Cal.

    Under CHIP, children had access to the same mental health/substance abuse (MH/SA) benefits afforded anyone on a regular commercial plan (i.e. employer based group plan) and California has strict guidelines about what is to be covered. Medicaid is a different story and the benefits are vastly different. MH/SA benefits are mostly relegated to County facilities, which are incredibly underpaid and overwhelmed with people seeking help. County MH/SA facilities are where the indigent and homeless are sent that have MH/SA problems.

    So, yes, there is quite a bit to protest about although I find it really funny that these Clam-fools are protesting about coverage usually provided by psychs. It’s obvious to me, with the misspelling and what they are protesting, that these idiots have no idea that they are protesting to have more psychs attend to their children.

    So…..let them protest away!!!

    • DamOTclese2

      Their epic spelling abilities is all part of their World Literacy Campaign” education efforts, donchaknow. It shows how much their literacy education campaigning is working.

      • Spackle Motion

        For a Literacy Campaign not only can they NOT SPELL, but they also do not seem interested in actually reading up on the topic.

        Their motto should be “World Literacy Campaign – Us can’t spell good and read good but we sures want your moeneys”.

        • DamOTclese2

          That has been another thing, yeah. The black groups that pretend to give a damn about literacy don’t do anything about “ebonics” and the “gutter English” which stops a lot of people find getting paid employment out in the real world.

  • Spackle Motion

    FYI, if anyone wants to get legislative attention with this then please contact the office of Darrell Steinberg, the President pro Tem of the California State Senate. Here is a list of his staffer’s email addresses:

    https://www.govbuddy.com/directory/CA/darrell-steinberg/2869/staff/

    Here’s his own ‘contact me’ link:

    http://sd06.senate.ca.gov/contact

    I would recommend that folks email Kathryn and Susan on his staff directly with information about their connection to the clams. But as for Stein-dummy (as I lovingly refer to him), if you are emailing him then keep it simple because he is a dolt.

  • Robert Robinson

    Only one problem Tony,

    “(For several years, Farrakhan has promoted 1950-era Dianetics to his followers, but despite that length of time, we havenโ€™t seen much evidence that the two organizations are actually merging.)”

    In 2010 Farrakhan announced that no one in the NOI will be a leader unless and until they are clear.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzhpGgSZqX8

    • richelieu jr

      This is causing unrest and outright rebellion in NOI…

      • Poison Ivy

        As well it should. As crazy as NOI’s cosmology is, if I were a believer, I’d be pissed off if suddenly I had to incorporate the “teachings” of a fat old white guy (who made so many utterly vile racist statements during his life – even integrating them into his writings) into my life.

        • noseinabk

          Yes is should cause unrest, however fanaticism in on all sides is kinda scary.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7dBIfOsB5I

          • Mark

            Doctor?! “What, my foot my tutor?”

          • WhereIsSHE

            This is the guy who made that video outside the Harlem org (Tony posted it in a recent article.)
            Good that he is aware of who and what the scientologists are.
            Bad that he is still a shameless racist.

        • richelieu jr

          Well, I find the two religions have more in common than you’d think: Delusions of superiority and
          strange, sc ifi origin stories that beggar the imagination.

          Both DM and Farrakhan are sure they’re the one duping the other and snickers behind the others back…

        • ThetaBara

          Yeah, it’s pretty insane to see the black racists in bed with the white racists. There may be more than one reason DM (apparently) wears a bulletproof vest…

      • Robert Robinson

        As well it should

    • Krew13

      The biggest irony about Farrakhan is that he spent decades talking about white people being evil and that as a proud black Muslim, he would fight for his people and never let the “white man” tell him what to do. And then he goes and lets himself get brainwashed by a cult invented and led by rich white people who ask questions of their members like “have you ever had sex with someone of a different color?” What a tool.

      • dagobarbz

        Don’t you remember that he proclaimed that white people can be cleared of the taint of their white devilry through Dianetics?

        Yeesh. Alfrauddy came out and said that white Scientologists are the only white people worthy of trust.

        I find that elronic.

        • WildaBeast

          This guy is six thousand different kinds of batshit crazy! Nobody becomes a leader of one cult until they let themselves be brainwashed by another cult…white folks are the devil because of their skin, but Scientology can fix that…the only white people worthy of trust are people who have perfected the art of sucking money out of your life…God, I’ve done a lot of drugs in my life, but whatever he’s on, I *don’t* want to try it.

          • dagobarbz

            ” Nobody becomes a leader of one cult until they let themselves be brainwashed by another cult..”

            L. Ron Hubbard proves this statement is not accurate. He INVENTED his own cult. Many such cult leaders do.

            • WildaBeast

              Oh, no no, I should have put all that in quotes. I was referring to what someone said about Farrakhan – his statement that nobody would become a leader in NoI unless they’d gone clear. Apparently he said it in 2010.

            • dagobarbz

              Oh, well that makes more sense. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Missionary Kid

          I like that, “elronic.”

      • ThetaBara

        Who’s your blue eyed devil now, Mr Farrakhan?

    • aboutandout

      “In 2010 Farrakhan announced that no one in the NOI will be a leader unless and until they are clear.”

      That statement sets the tone for any leadership challenges. I cannot help but laugh, priceless, especially given the comments below from the bunker.

    • ThetaBara

      There is quite a bit of evidence actually, if you look for it. They’ve been having NOI events in Scilon spaces for some time now. They are in bed for sure. The only question is who’s zooming who?

  • Victoria Pandora

    Will Mosey do media interviews like Debbie I wonder?

    • ThetaBara

      One can only hope! Mosey is a firecracker! But I bet her lawyer won’t allow it, at least until after. I think Debbie was going for a settlement – and remember, THEY sued HER – but Mosey is out for blood.

      • Victoria Pandora

        yeah, you’re probably right.
        mosey aint got no time for that anyway.
        she seems like a real straight up woman.
        funny how she walks under some kind of blessed star.
        i have seen people who absolutely hate marty, but they still admire mosey.
        i will repeat for the umpteeth time, he is damn lucky to have her:)

    • Spackle Motion

      She did one already, in a documentary made awhile ago called “Scientologists at War”. She spoke out about the harassment she’s suffered.

  • SandiCorrena

    I thought Alfreddie was a girl….you know like when people try to name their daughters after their fathers (BRIANna, RAYanne, JOHNetta, CHARLESetta) and sometimes it works and sometimes it’s just?????? Anyway I’ll just be over here contemplating a grown {man} not going with Al or Freddy…..unless is that his birth certificate name?

    • RMycroft

      Just about every news story about Alfred used to spell his name differently: Alfreddy, Alfreddie, Alfred E. I wonder if that was the reporter’s fault, or if he kept tweaking the spelling to avoid the dots being connected.

    • WildaBeast

      Makes me think of chicken alfredo…damn, now I’m hungry.

      • SandiCorrena

        Mmmmmmmmmmmmm; too bad we can’t run out for lunch!

      • dagobarbz

        Chicken Alfreddie isn’t chicken. It’s just street pigeon and garlic powder.

    • ThetaBara

      Or like WILLow and JAYDen?

      • Observer

        I’m embarrassed to say how long it took me to catch on to the Smith kids’ names. Let’s just say it was within the last couple of months. *facepalm*

  • deselby

    If you teach calculus using study tech, buy extra clay for the infinitesimals because as soon as you finish one you won’t be able to find it.

  • Mark

    La cล“ur a ses raisons…

    • 1subgenius

      It just struck me from the picture. Is Alfrauddie really shorter than Cruise?
      And Tony’s headline gets it right. That guy looks like a stereotypical huckster.

      • Mark

        Maybe Tommy-Girl was standing on his porta-hoist?

        • Mooser

          That’s Cruise? I thought Charlie finally got parole.

          • ThetaBara

            Charlie thought Scientology was “too crazy” for him, remember?

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Check the center-tooth.

  • Colliric

    The fringe of the internet strikes again!!!!

  • RMycroft

    Reading the first article where that Clearwater school brings in “Dr” Hanan Islam is like watching a teen slasher film. “No! Don’t check out that noise in the basement!” *Yeeeech*! Oh well…

    Pinellas charter school reaches out to Scientology for help July 30, 2011, Demorris A. Lee, St. Petersburg Times
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/pinellas-charter-school-reaches-out-to-scientology-for-help/1183281

  • ze moo

    CSU Long Beach students go to a mOrg and take the personality test. Not OT8isgrrr8 funny, but amusing.

    http://www.lbunion.com/feature/709-profiting-on-personality-the-sales-pitch-of-scientology.html

  • KJP in Portland

    Time for the grumpy graveyard guy to go to bed! Can’t wait to see tomorrow’s story. Thank you, Tony and, have a great day / evening everyone!

    • Missionary Kid

      You’re probably in bed now. I’ve sent all the prospective Bunkerites who are getting together on Sunday in Portland, OR, an email. Check your in box.

      Anyone else interested in getting joining us, contact me at skepticalmissionarrykid at gmail dot com I’ve written it that way so web crawlers won’t pick it up. Notice the misspelling of “missionarry.” Include in the Email subject line your Bunker Avatar.

  • Sunny Sands

    Tent watchers’ update: They are working on the front of the tent. They have the cherry picker blocking traffic with no safety cones around it tsk tsk.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Is there a photo with this???

      • Observer

        Refresh …

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          When I refresh I lose my place. Wish the Bunker wasn’t quite so lively as it is, sometimes…

    • Nevermore

      Maybe someone should phone the town council and complain…

    • Observer

      It looks like an airplane hangar, or a warehouse. Not very theta. ๐Ÿ™

      • Mark

        Or (from the front) a gigantic bosom:

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Do guys see Anything that doesn’t resemble bosom’s in their mind’s eye?

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Hey, if MARK sees a bosom, it must resemble a bosom.

            • Mark

              Thank-you, Douglas. (Though I suppose not being heterosexual still won’t inure me to the supposed psychological, cultural, and semiotic consequences of having been breast-fed, will it?)

            • Mooser

              I’m with you. Only anti-Semiotics are against breast feeding. And if you don’t feed ’em, how’re they supposed to grow?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Breast fed babies are happier.

          • Truthiwant

            Nope.

    • Mark

      It must be awfully hot & sweaty in there, even with the silvered fabric over it. They are going to have A/C on the dread day, one assumes? That’s going to put a crimp in their electricity bill!

      Now all I can do is wish very hard for the hurricane-season to start:

      • Observer

        Postulating …

      • Aslansown

        I was wondering the same thing — they will have AC I’m assuming?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hmmmm…

      Wonder how many containers of glycol-frozen souls could be stacked up in that thing.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I don’t see anyone in the basket? No cones around that thing? Clearwater City officials …. hope they see this. I’m still thinking those were RPFrs in that pic from the other day and Not experienced. Since there are no cones in this photo, more evidence it seems the city permit office should know about.

      I am wondering now if they yellow IAS artwork in the front of the tent will be another layer of material or was it a projected visual? This silver fabric has Got to be blinding when the sun hits it.

    • media_lush

      Paintball attack?

    • TonyOrtega

      Great pic!

      • Guest

        Is that actually a public street? Or a service road on CoS property?

        Regardless, I think it looks like a giant, extruded, Hershey’s Kiss.

        • sugarplumfairy

          mmmmmmmm…

      • Sunny Sands

        ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hmph. This comment was supposed to go HERE.

      Is that actually a public street? Or a service road on CoS property?

      Regardless, I think it looks like a giant, extruded, Hershey’s Kiss.

      • Sunny Sands

        It’s Franklin St., a public street.

        • BananaSplits8

          Is that scilon property across the street? If not, the owners/tenants must be thrilled with the eyesore view.

          • Sunny Sands

            Mecca, Super Power, Flag is sort of across the street. The Fire Dept. is, too.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I like how the Super Power double cross can be seen in many of your tent pics. In today’s, the sun is just bouncing off the X. Hopefully, it’s like a little sign.

    • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

      rented a tent a tent a tent
      rented a tent a tent a tent
      rented a tent
      rented a tent
      rented a rented a tent!

    • Observer

      Awww, you have your own personal tent pic downvoter!

      • Robert Eckert

        Davey Downboy is sensitive on the subject of the tent.

    • Graham

      That tent is so huge. Amazed they had to cut two trees down. Surely the tent could have been put up so it enclosed the trees? It’s going to have its own weather system in there!

      • Truthiwant

        This is not ‘The Eden Project’!!

        • Graham

          No- not the Eden Project. More like Hell on Earth.

    • RMycroft

      That’d be great for batting practice. Unless you popped it over the ridge, the balls would just roll back down without having to chase them.

      • WhereIsSHE

        Even better for tennis on a rainy day.
        **does rain dance** ::::changes mind::::: **does major HURRICANE dance**

    • nottrue

      The ultimate hidroponik green house

    • SoMissDelicious

      Refresh my memory if you could please. Is this simply for the Scilooon Prom or is this a permanent fixture on the property?

      If its permanent, what the hell? Do they not have enough real estate in Clearwater? Its starting to remind me of Rajneesh Purim in Oregon back in the 80s

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Postulating…

      Postulating…

      POSTULATING…

      • sugarplumfairy

        More like pustulating.. Co$ is a big festering boil on the forehead of the earth..

    • sugarplumfairy

      You know, it just doesn’t look attractive enough to hold the big annual co$ festivities.. Are we sure this isn’t a new ‘hole’ to house the many new PTSs?

  • India Crep

    Oh noes! They’re going to flood San Francisco with all 7 of their customers marching down the street! The whole damn city will be shut down for weeks! Eeek!

    • Krew13

      Can someone alert a group of hardcore gay men in leather from the Castro district to hold a counter demonstration? We know what Sciloons think of gay people, even though there are certain famous Sciloons who regularly have secret liaisons where they have someone postulate right up their ass. Now that’s some serious enterbulating!

  • Krew13

    Any update on the Sciloon who was arrested for conspiring to abduct and murder a police officer?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Haven’t seen it yet. Oh wait…9 am West Coast time. I’m sure we will hear.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        It is 10am on the West Coast.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Thought there was another hearing today,..from ESMB JB writer post, at 9 am PST.

          “Per the Clark County Detention Center’s website, (link to search page here: http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/Depts/c…odySearch.aspx ) Ms. Newman’s inmate ID number is 05994051 and the case number is 13F13634B. Bail was set at $200k soon after her arrest by JOP Conrad Hafen, at which time Carl Arnold of the Public Defender’s Office was assigned as her counsel.

          The Detention Center’s website indicates Ms. Newman remains in custody
          and that tomorrow’s hearing remains as originally scheduled for
          September 9, 2013 at 9:00 a.m.”

          • Robert Eckert

            A hearing at this early stage of the case isn’t likely to be very long or to involve anything more interesting than scheduling.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Okeedokee then. I just wanted to make sure Miscavige didn’t spring her and fly her in to Florida here as his bodyguard or dogcatcher or something for Big Tent Day.

            • Robert Eckert

              That doesn’t sound like a profitable thing for him to do.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              She’s not very… attractive… if you know what I mean.

            • 1subgenius

              True. Maybe another plea for reduced bail.
              Gee, where are all her good scilon friends?
              I’ll bet it’s hot in the Clark County Jail.

          • media_lush

            In other words scientology will not pay your Bail unless you happen to be the twin sister of the cult leader.

            • Krew13

              They just suck you dry of your money. Which is why Her Royal Governor’s fiance killed himself. Instead of using the money he’d received for a construction project on the project, he donated most of it to the Sciloons, and when he realised he was fucked, he jumped off a bridge. Her Royal Governor probably told herself it was his fault and that he hadn’t applied LRH tech hard enough and he should’ve paid for more courses to travel up the bridge. Well, he did travel up the bridge. Right off it and plunged to his death.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              What an awful, awful thing to say. Steve Bracket did NOT commit suicide. As a high level OT, this is just not possible. Anyone who has gotten accurate information from his friends in the Church of Scientology knows he died in a head-on collision. (A head-on collision with the canyon floor beneath the Bixby Canyon Bridge in Big Sur, that is.)

              http://technorati.com/entertainment/glosslip/article/scientologist-and-nancy-cartwright-ex-steve-brackett-jumps-to-his-death-cover-up-and-conspiracy-to-follow/

            • Krew13

              You’re right. He willingly discarded the body he used in this life in order to ascend to the next state of being. Us WOGs don’t have the special powers he had. For us, it’s all about KFC. It’s good fried chicken.

          • 1subgenius

            You and/or I should check later today. The only thing I’m interested in is whether she makes bail.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Me too! We know how people and paperwork tends to disappear into the black hole of scientology universe. And this one is Rex Fowler crazy with gun hobbies.

      • Krew13
  • Krew13

    Another classic lulzy video. Check out this guy’s robotic and programmed response of grabbing the microphone and of walking away when he has no answer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo-f12RRDW4

    • Mark

      And the “I understand you” said with all the conviction of a dead fish.

    • 1subgenius

      Ha ha. That’s my local org. I have also posted a version of that on my channel.
      And I actually saw gel hair weasel scilon boy one day at the Trader Joe’s across the street from me!
      I was flabbergasted and speechless, and have been looking for him there ever since. If I see him again, I believe I’ll have something to say.

    • Truthiwant

      Unbelievable!
      What communication skills that church member has.
      It’s funny, when somebody asks their name, all church members shy away.
      Heck, even in war time, soldiers gave their name, number and rank!

      • Krew13

        He seems unable to coordinate what he’s saying with what he’s doing. He grabs the mic and then bizarrely says “yeah, ok, come on”. It seriously looks like someone struggling with conflicting cognitive processes which results in this odd behavior. That’s what Sciloon brainwashing does. It’s turned this fellow into a robot and a dysfunctional robot at that, one who’s caught between wanting to maintain normalcy in front of a camera but the conditioning he’s received to respond with violence then surfaces at the same time to result in, frankly, deranged behavior.

        • Truthiwant

          Let me explain what actually happens. Having been ‘in’, I’ve seen it. Believe me.

          This church member is sent out to ‘handle’ the situation.

          He’s done his TR’s, so he knows ALL about handling ANY situation.

          The only problem is that what he studied in the course room unfortunately doesn’t work outside the ambience of the church.

          This member has ‘drilled’ his ability to handle situations with those two famous phrases “Do birds fly?” and “Do fish swim?”.

          Now, if the journalist (let’s remember- ALL journalists are potential SP’s) had asked this church member if fish swam, our poor church member would have known what to reply!

          Unfortunately, the journalist asked him another question. He asked him what his name was and this is enough to make the member go haywire and, infact, back off.

          The church members are told from day one to NOT answer questions from a journalist and the exact words of Hubbard describing journalists are “a journalist’s story is already written even before he leaves his desk to go out on a reporting mission.”

          This poor church member just does NOT know how to handle a REAL situation.

          I realized this with the study and auditing I did. As long as I was within the walls of Saint Hill, everything was fine. As soon as I went outside the walls, the whole thing just fell to pieces.
          I’ll write a post about this one day here on the bunker.

          • RMycroft

            He grabbed the mic because he wanted to mind-meld with it to get the exact story across.

          • Interested

            Oh yes please do, I have been laughing myself sick.

          • Interested

            Don’t know if this posted so will repeat it. Forgive me. I had said … Yes please. I would love to read your post. I have been laughing my head off..

          • Interested

            Can’t seem to post. Will try again. I had said yes please. I would love to read your post. I have been laughing my head off…

            • Truthiwant

              It’s one of those stories I’ve wanted to post for some time.
              It’s a story that so many people here want to understand… How can somebody believe in this thing called Scientology?
              The answer, I reckon, is going to be very personal. Probably my reasons for ‘believing’ in Scientology in the past are going to be different to other people’s reasons.
              I’ve written a few things which are posted on the internet. Some of you have read the satires I have written. But the story of ‘believing’ in Scientology is a bit different and not easy to convey in words.

            • Interested

              Please tell me where I can find them. I so want to understand how intelligent people such as yourself got sucked into this . When people say to me they would never…. I tell them anyone can find themselves in this cult without realising it. I have read most of the books, but still can’t grasp the enormity of the scam. I believe that You are in England. One day I would like to meet you and give you a hug. Perhaps when the cult implodes we can hold a bunkerites party.

            • Truthiwant

              I’m English but live in Italy. I’m certain we will meet one day. I think the people following Tony’s blog will meet up. It is almost inevitable.

              I’ve written a short essay entitled ‘Leaving Scientology’. There is nothing profound in it but towards the end you can briefly read how I got out of Scientology.

              The link below is to the home page. Here you will find quite a few short stories that I have written. Apart from ‘Leaving Scientology’ and ‘Why Scientology does not work’ all the other stories are humorous satires and are written for fun. Quite a few people have read them and have been amused. I certainly enjoyed writing them.

              http://wp.me/P3a0JR-1

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            that’s because communication is Replaced with “confronting”.

            Ever try to talk to someone or deal with someone who is confrontational? The staff bot was fine when he barged out and “confronted”. It was when the reporter tried to communicate with him that he became disoriented, confused, frustrated and could only run away. He’ll then be hauled in to the ethics office to now “confront” his crimes, then booted over to the course room to drill drill drill his “confront” to raise his level of …. confronting. And so he digs himself in deeper and deeper by the week.

            There are all kinds of holes in scientology land. In the beginning, you are love bombed. In the end, you are just another worker digging your own grave.

            • Truthiwant

              I agree.
              Love your posts. Always informative and thoughtful. So much to learn.

            • q-bird

              Yours too dearheart, yours too.

          • Krew13

            There’s a couple of things I’m fascinated to know about, and as you’re a former member, I hope you can tell me. One is, why does it never ring alarm bells for members that they’re constantly being asked for money? I’m trying to figure what could make an otherwise sentient human being like Nancy Cartwright hand over $10m. The other is how they’re able to accept all the garbage about intergalactic warlords, thetans etc, which every other rational functioning adult laughs at?

            • Truthiwant

              Great questions but not so easy to answer. Just a few moments ago, on this same thread, I posted a reply to Interested.
              I want to write this up, so that I can reply to all those that want to know about, at least, one person’s experience.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I will enjoy reading that.

            And yes, “hypothetical” situations are so easily resolved. But the real world (the actual real world, as opposed to the CoS world of Up-the-Bridge, Thetans, and Space Opera) is a lot messier and unresolvable.

            Poor Scientologists. If only they would embrace those doubts and realize the Stats they have been fed are all wrong. Then they’d be on their way to real freedom, not up some phony Bridge to Nowhere.

          • aquaclara

            And yet, had the church member faced a microphone before he entered the cult, he would have handled this just fine. It’s another example of how the inside world and the outside world are totally at odds. Love your descriptions here, Truthi.

            • Truthiwant

              You’re right. This guy could have had a normal conversation with the journalist and resolved the matter.
              Firstly, this guy is afraid. Not of the journalist but what might happen to him if he speaks to the journalist. He’s afraid of being sent to ethics. He can’t tell the truth because the truth would mean paying the bill. But this poor guy probably knows nothing about the unpaid bill. He has been sent out in to the middle of the road to ‘handle the sit.’ and he doesn’t know anything about anything. The only thing he knows is that Ron Hubbard is right. That is the real problem for this poor guy!

          • kemist

            Do eeeet !

            I have a question : what was your reaction when you realized that what was supposed to “handle” such a situation gave such a pathetic result outside of the training room ? Did it make you doubt the tech ?

            • Truthiwant

              This would take some time to write up and I will be doing this but to answer your question, when I studied all day and realized that almost all of what I was studying had only one end – Scientology, then slowly I realized that there was something wrong. The process of understanding this takes time but in the end every little thing that you subconciously see or feel leads up to that break away from Scientology.

    • Graham

      Was this an example of a $cientologist being dauntless, defiant & resolute?

      • Truthiwant

        Before he comes out of the Org to confront the journalist, he has the intention of Lancelot in shining armour holding the sword, Excalibur.

        Unfortunately, he doesn’t have the ability of Lancelot and all he is holding is a coffee mug.

      • DamOTclese2

        The insane fuck walked away, then remembered that he has to “shatter suppression” and had to “confront” so he came back and added to his lunatic, violent Scientology crimes.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      “I understand.”

      Now there’s a brilliant Confront!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I want to know what’s in the coffee mug. Any suggestions?

      • Truthiwant

        Coffee?

      • DamOTclese2

        Something approved by LRH, and *only* something approved by LRH.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Vodka?

    • BananaSplits8

      Walking in, scientology’s hook is its promise that your learned communications skills will allow you to discuss any subject.

      The caveat is they don’t promise you will do so coherently.

    • DamOTclese2

      I remember this one. Classic. I always have to ask, is *every* Scientology dirt bag an absolutely insane criminal? The irony is that these screaming loons literally yell, “What are your crimes?!” to try to drown out people’s protects and investigations and yet if you scratch any of these people’s surfaces, they’re the noes that are always at core committing some fraud, some scam, some felony.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      At least we all now know what has happened to Rob Schneider since he left SNL…

      • SoMissDelicious

        I literally lol’d at work. perfection

  • Krew13

    I’m still lol’ing at the Sunday Funnies, especially that tool who said he donated $1m and didn’t realise it would help “clear the planet” so quickly.

    http://www.myptsd.com/c/attachments/smileyroflmao-gif.16889/

  • Moonshot

    Wow. Alfreddie is still involved with CofS. I actually met the guy at a church event in LA in 1995. There is no people meat grinder like the Church. DM must have a special soft spot for the guy or he would have blown off or been crushed to bone and gristle a loooooooooooong time ago.

    I’ve often wondered about the strange Nation of Islam and SCN connection.

    I guess part of it must have to do with both Farrakan and DM being leaders of strange and insular uber controlling cults that have shown some ability to grow and persist over decades of time. Both are fiesty ass-kicking charactors. Both have had no hestitancy to harrass former members. Both have had no hesitancy to play dirty tricks with critics. Both have been infilitrated by the FBI. Both have had running battles with the US Federal Government at various times.

    The list of collegues that can understand the Job they do sure is a short one. So they be sympatico.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      There’s several different phrases for this, like “birds of a feather” and “not so strange bedfellows”. The blossoming of the informational internetz has collided with mind control and financial cons and shrunk them all, sometimes necessitating mergers. These mergers are not for survival. They are simply for the con artists to bleed the last dollar out of their marks before they scram. Greed rules.

  • chukicita

    I know personally the people who launched that charter school and watched in horror as it was co-opted by Hanan Islam. They are excellent people who had been working in the community for a long time. I saw firsthand how their work was changing lives by engaging kids and entire families in cultural arts, for several generations. It was just awful how this all went down. Fortunately the school is up and running again – minus the cult, and under a different name.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      This is good to hear, chukicita. Many of us were concerned about the “after story”…what would happen to the children. And yes, engaging children and entire families, including the arts, has always been instrumental in absorption and interest. Thanks for speaking up. Was there another avenue found for funding? Always helpful to know what is working in a community as well as what isn’t.

      • chukicita

        sorry, i just now figured out how Disqus doesn’t work. The kids are all right! Some of the programs that were associated with the school (like the African Dance troupe) have been around for decades — much much longer than the school itself, so there was help from other sources. It’s just hard to do anything cool in Clearwater that doesn’t become a target.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I feel for the victims. That includes the students of the school and the founders of the school that was taken over by others.

  • Krew13

    Hot off the youtube presses (mixing my metaphors but you get me).

    Another reason to love the awesome Ellen – ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSr4xYAoXUo

    • Where’s Shelly?

      Once Suri gets to be taller than TC I bet we NEVER see them together. Shouldn’t be for another year yet though.

      • Krew13

        Harsh but true. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • jmh

      Riiiight. Tom telepathically influenced Katie in the divorce settlement… right into getting primary custody of Suri and keeping her away from her batsh*t crazy dad. Way to go, Tom!!!

  • monkeyknickers

    So . . . . what’s the point of “allowing cameras in the courtroom” if they can’t document witness testimony?? Honorable Waldrip wants to do karaoke at lunchtime and have it preserved for posterity?

    What bullshit.

    In other news – and I’ve said this before on this blog so I’ll be brief –

    Nation of Islam + Scientology = WHAT.THE.FUCK.

    • DamOTclese2

      Allowing cameras in means that all testimony is public record. Only allowing written transcripts means that parts of the record may be stricken easily, and the Scientology crime syndicate *hates* having full records made public. It seems likely that the insane slapping dwarf ordered his idiot lawyers to file papers demanding that the court record not be fully available which cameras would allow.

      Often the crime syndicate claims “trade secrets” would be revealed under witness testimony and some of the dumber Judges still believe it.

  • Krew13

    Hot off the youtube presses (mixing my metaphors but you get me).

    Another reason to love the awesome Ellen. She shares a joke about the Sciloons and then says she’s always welcome on her show and that she’s her friend. Ellen = a decent and loyal human being. Sciloons = brainwashed turds.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSr4xYAoXUo

  • Wow they cult is bringing two entire vans, possibly a dozen people … to stand tall.

    • Krew13

      Yo, Angry Gay Pope! You rock, dude! Love your youtube videos. I especially love the way when you ridicule the Sciloons you do that sarcastic “uh-huh”!

      • BananaSplits8

        Angry Gay Pope clears a street in less than two minutes.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQr1XOaW794

        Use your OT powers right now! I insist!

        • Illinoisian

          As I was scrolling down . . . and the top edge of this pic was rolling up from the bottom of my screen . . . what my brain registered was:

          AngryGayPopcorn
          (New brand to compete with Reddenbacher? I think it would sell among the Bunkerites.)

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            AngryGayPopcorn? It’s really, really hot?

            • Illinoisian

              And however you choose to pop it, it’s an excellent production.

            • Robert Eckert

              And it doesn’t leave any old maids.

        • aquaclara

          Hey, BananaSplits8, you are so right. “Angry Gay Pope clears a street in less than two minutes.”

          It’s because AGP has Superpowerzzzzz…..and Davey is jealous.
          We win.

        • DamOTclese2

          Ironic that AGP’s OT powers far exceed those of these Scientology dimwits, isn’t it?

    • Graham

      AGP- whenever I see your name for some reason I think of Kendrick Moxon. We don’t seem to hear much of him these days. Is he another of The Disappeared?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      He’s Angry, he’s Gay, but he’s not a Pope.

      Must be one of those meddling SPs!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Well, if they stand ON the vans they will stand tall…!

    • DamOTclese2

      All 12 of their customers are going to flood in to Sacramento and shut that city down if the city does not cave in to their demands. Fuck, man, this could get ugly fast. I mean if Sacramento is shut down, the whole State of California is going to be on fire by the end of the first day of their massive march.

      I’m afraid.

  • DamOTclese2

    I have been updating the “NarCONon IS Scientology” web site in light of the recent massive coverage of the abject frauds being committed, the felony indictments, Federal raids, homicides, and civil lawsuits. The web site also sports external links that are offered on the left hand side of every page now.

    If people would like to get their own NarCONon exposures web sites added to the list, please let me know here or at ARCTriangle1@gmail.com – The web site is located at:

    http://www.crackpots.us/

  • Verve

    Hanan Islam. Oh wow, you should check out her Facebook page. Just… wow.

  • DamOTclese2

    “Now those meddling journalists at CNN…”

    They would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn’t been for them meddling journalists.

    Scooby Doo reference for the win!

  • DamOTclese2

    “Substance abuse services are illegally being withheld from the youth of black and brown communities!!”

    So the Scientology fraud committers are trying to claim it’s the honky white man suppressing brown people? Seriously? Stopping their tax payer frauds against our country is a racist crime? Really?

  • Jgg2012

    We should march on Washington to protest Scientology’s tax exemption.

  • Cat Daddy
    • 3feetback-of-COS

      I take it this is the cult’s latest drill to distract protestors? Pretty pathetic handling. They should be strictly ignored.

      • Jgg2012

        Is that guy the only man at the DC org? I see him all the time.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        This video is from May of 2010. I find it hilarious that the all-powerful Scientologist can only keep mindlessly repeating a series of phrases over and over again. Is that his “job?” Because he seems mighty concerned that the protester get a job…

        • Interested

          Oh dear how sad. A Robot repeating the same phrase over and over again. His bull baiting skills are lacking. Could he not find something more original to say to be rude? His side kick could not stop masticating like a cow, the woman wasn’t sure if she could get closer without catching something contagious, their shirts were untidy, his tie was all over the place, and what kids was he talking about,…. the 6ft hulk to his left who was chewing as if he life depended on it.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            One hot mess, that’s for sure…

  • DamOTclese2

    “Why are parents of our clients being asked by medi-cal investigators what their immigration status is?”

    Um… Because it is an additional *fraud* to bill tax payers for already-fraudulent “drug treatment” on behalf of people who are in the country illegally. Duh, ya frothing idiot.

    • ze moo

      Illegal aliens are eligible for Medicaid, it is just another ‘category’ for the intake worker to fill out. Medi cal being a state program may not allow illegals.

      • DamOTclese2

        I did not know that. Really? Every web site that discusses the issue indicates that illegals do not qualify legally for any governmental services like that, though obviously most web pages are right wing Republican loon web sites. Are there any legitimate web sites that indicate that illegals are allowed medical benefits?

  • Krew13

    I wonder if that sellout Alfreddie ends every sentence to Miscmidget with “Yessir, massa”.

    I shouldn’t have to say this but please note my joke is about Alfreddie being a sellout and is not a racial slur. Some people are a bit over-sensitive and jump on everything as being offensive.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Well, I’m offended.

      By Scientology.

  • Cheesy Smile

    Hello everyone,
    Just wanted to say that I knew nothing about Scientology until I stumbled upon Tony Ortega’s blog on Village Voice. I’ve been lurking here for a while too. Over the weekend, I saw a stand on the street with this guy talking about how Scientology is the answer to every day problems. I stopped by and said to him “you know that L Ron dude was full of sh*t right?” He looked at me and said “oh no! I invite you to come to our center and see for yourself how wrong you are” He tried to give me all kinds of flyers, I told him that instead of trying to save me, he should save the earth and stop wasting paper”. Thanks for letting me share ๐Ÿ™‚

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Atta boy, Cheesy!

      • Cheesy Smile

        I’m actually a girl ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Casabeca

          You go girl ;).

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Welcome. There’s always room for one more in the Bunker!

      • Eclipse-girl

        We will gladly dig / tunnel out room for more

    • aquaclara

      Whoooeeee. This is a great story – I wouldn’t have been able to say it that well, so I’m grinning giddily just reading this. Hope you had fun.
      Welcome to the commenting side of the Bunker! Chime in often! We’re always open!

    • DamOTclese2

      Welcome, Cheesy! Also check out http://www.crackpots.us/ for more info about Scientology’s “NarCONon” frauds. And you know,if you take these people’s fliers and such, it costs them money, you get to recycle their garbage, and the stupid clowns are able to count you as a “new member” in their Thursday statistics reports back to David Miscaviage. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Eclipse-girl

      welcome. the bunker is a great place. Your response to the hawker was accurate.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      Tell them you are L.Ron Hubbard, returned to Teegeeack for reasons they best not be too inquisitive about. But don’t do it in Toronto. There is already an L.Ron Hubbard here returned to Teegeeack for reasons they best not be too inquisitive about.

      Drop their leaflets on the sidewalk as a warning to the next person who comes by. Call the body router a brainwashed culty and throw him a few obscene gestures. If he tries to sell you a copy of Dianetics try to sell him a copy of the evening newspaper or anything else you may be carrying.

      On the other hand, they also put attractive women out there to fish in guys. She probably knows nothing about the cult, except how to find a ruin. Invite her out for a donut and a coffee. Your treat. That will be a big thing because you will be talking to a woman for whom a donut and coffee is a once a month splurge, if that. Tell her that there are no OTs and no clears. When she agrees with you tell her that she need to duplicate the information not merely agree with you to get rid of you. Pay the bill and leave.

      It may stay with her and make her think next time she sees a clear blowing his nose or an OT with glasses. If it clicks she will be eternally grateful to you. You will be in like Flynn.

      • Poison Ivy

        Give her a copy of “A Piece of Blue Sky.” I’ve been glued to it since I picked it up on Sunday afternoon. I read it years ago but it resonates so much more strongly with me now; especially since I feel like I kinda sorta “know” Jon Atack and many of the folks mentioned therein. It’s such a well-written book and lays out its case in such a flawless manner; Jon must’ve been an attorney back on one of his earlier Teegeackian incarnations.

        Why is it that just when you think you’ve hit overload on this stuff, something comes along and sucks you back in again?

  • DamOTclese2

    “We take our job seriously. We only exist to serve and unfortunately the
    500 youth we have been servicing are suffering along with those serviced
    by 21 other agencies who have been โ€œTemporarily Suspendedโ€ with no
    funding to deliver!! where is all the money going that has been withheld
    from these agencies?”

    Well, ya frothing crooks, you’re supposed to be a charity, right? You frothing liars are supposed to be “clergy,” right? You’re supposed to be “community service,” right? You’re “being of service” to drug addicts, right?

    Well then. Ask your “parishioners,” ask your “churches,” ask your supposed “clergy” members and parents to fund your fraudulent “drug treatment” frauds, stop taking money from actual tax payers.

    What’s that? You’re not *really* frothing “clergy?” You’re not *really* a charity? Well then, looks like your crimes against the United States are going to have to come to an end, now, doesn’t it?

  • Suppressive Tomato

    “The Jews don’t like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that’s a good name. Hitler was a very great man.”
    โ€“ Louis Farrakhan

    • Jgg2012

      “Alistair Crowley…my good friend” — LRH

      • Mark

        ALEISTER Crowley, please! (He was really called Edward Alexander).

        • Jgg2012

          LRH, like Farrakhan, had fascist tendencies, supporting Apartheid, military governments, and imperial emperors like Bonaparte and Alexander the Great. He also has a fascist belief system: you cannot question superiors and, if you fail, it’s your fault.

  • DamOTclese2

    “…but not for witness testimony…”

    Was there any reason for the Judge making that decision? Other than that Scientology’s lawyers without a doubt want to keep the actual witness testimony secret at all cost?

    • Robert Eckert

      Local court rules forbid televising the actual court proceedings. He is being nice to the local stations by letting them bring their equipment so they can give “live” reports from the scene as soon as the hearing wraps up.

      • DamOTclese2

        This is a good thing then, yeah. I wish that Judge Ito had disallowed cameras in to the murder trial of O.J. Simpson, it might have helped convict the asshole. Some times justice is thwarted when cameras are allowed in, but I think more times justice is FAIL when cameras are not allowed in.

  • Sunny Sands

    This was in a magazine I received today. They call it a moo-tel. It kind of reminded me of something :-).

    • Graham

      This one’s full of cow-sh*t. The other one will soon be full of bull-sh*t.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        How dare you Graham!

        How dare you….

    • Observer

      And it has something else in common–those moos are shooped! The farthest-left and farthest-right black cows with white faces are the same one, just flipped horizontally.

      • phronsie

        Plus, otherwise they are miniature cows! LOL

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I’ll see your moo-tel and raise you one sheep tent.

      http://i39.tinypic.com/24yahax.jpg

    • Jgg2012

      Just replace cows with sheeple.

      • Casabeca

        You had my comment an hour earlier…I should have read! Props to you ;).

    • dagobarbz

      This is the exact same structure used for winter homeless shelters here. And just as purty!

    • Victoria Pandora

      Yeah, as far as there ugly yellow tent, donate that shit to the syrian refugees and i might pay attention.

    • Casabeca

      Will it also work for sheeple? Love it!

    • Bella Legosi

      Ohhhh it it the magical tents that the $cilons will use to block out all matters of PTSness and SP propaganda???? ๐Ÿ˜€

      {They should borrow some magic underwear from the Mormons for extra protection! I hear they are great for resisting evil purposes! Go team Kolon/Xenu! >P}

      They have upgraded from subjecting innocent plants to their craziness and now use inanimate objects to enclose their madness! YAY
      lol

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Kolon=Kolob?

        (Although Kolon is way funnier.)

        • Bella Legosi

          thanks for the correction!

        • Mark

          KOLOB is BOLOK backwards. Was the Prophet Joseph Smith a secret satirist, writing a load of BOLOKS? He wasn’t very good at spelling.

          • Robert Eckert

            I’ve often wondered whether the “Moronic Tablets” was intentional, too.

      • SoMissDelicious

        Sciloons make mormons look totes normal and not at all fanatic. Hell they even make pentecostals look sane

        • Robert Eckert

          Well, we are looking at 5th, 6th, 7th generation Mormons. The original Mormons and the 2nd generation were murderously fanatic.

          • SoMissDelicious

            True true, but modern day mormons can still be pretty crazy. And when scientology makes you look sane, you know there is some f’d up stuff

        • Bella Legosi

          lol I don’t know there is something really scary about holy rollers……there is nothing more disturbing than a homicidal maniac on a “mission from God” IMO (shudders)

    • ze moo

      Hello Ladies

    • BananaSplits8

      They’re in for a milkin’. Wish I could warn them.

  • “Why are youth being denied drug and alcohol services which are federally
    protected, entitlement programs without any legislature being
    initiated?”

    The world W H A T crusade, again?

  • Bella Legosi

    Here is a little gem for you all today! Before my blood pressure goes thru the roof by reading this post I thought I would show ya what popped in my Inbox today. I sent this tweet to Stacy a long time ago (by internet time) and just replied to the tweet I got from some guy last night. Then I check my mail and viola! Here you guys go……hope it gives you the chuckel it gave me!

    *I think this was sent as a private or direct tweet. Its weird. Went to my account to do the screen shot and didn’t find it. I am a Twitter tard. I really only have that acount for retweets and for my Misha. I hardly get on it now that I work.*

  • georget1952

    On another topic…. I just saw Leah Remini on Ellen. Finally, a celebrity that was in the Church Of Scientology for a very long time has admitted that DISCONNECTION EXISTS, AND ON NATIONAL TELEVISION!!! Go Leah!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      So happy to hear this, but NO SPOILERS! We are still waiting on the show here on the Left Coast!

      • georget1952

        I wont say another word about it, promise. Sorry, I did not think about that so thanks for saying something. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • georget1952

          Darn it Douglas, I feel bad now.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Oh, don’t! I am genuinely glad to know it came up (not ALL about DWTS), but want to get all the gory details fresh. THEN we will all dish!

          • sugarplumfairy

            Don’t feel bad.. I’m at work and didn’t get to see it.. I’m so glad to know they talked about it.. I hope later you’ll tell more..

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            If it’s any consolation, I once posted a still image of a dead character from Downton Abbey on Facebook, forgetting that there were friends in other countries who hadn’t seen the episode. Now THAT’S guilt-inducing…!

            • georget1952

              I love Downton! I was so mad at the end of last season when Patrick was killed in a car accident, because the actor wanted out. I was hoping he never got another big part in anything again LOL!

            • Robert Eckert
            • Douglas D. Douglas

              My wife.

              My wife got me watching Downton. She led me through all the episodes I didn’t see. Made me care about the Crawleys and the Brand Duchess and the servants and all. We started waiting on and watching new episodes.

              AND THEN THEY STARTED KILLING EVERYBODY.

              Except Mary. And I stopped watching.

            • Spackle Motion

              That show jumped the shark when Matthew was able to walk again. It was over at that point for me but I still watch.

              Sybil dying was a surprise and that plot point actually fit into a believable spectrum (women dying of eclampsia was common, especially for people that do not take care of their teeth, which….well….they are BRITS). But then killing off Matthew was just dumb.

              And then having people understanding and accepting homosexuality in the post WWI period? Puhleeze. Dumb dumb dumb.

            • jmh

              Yep. I stopped watching too. I get enough of that watching Sherlock and Doctor Who.

    • georget1952

      Now, there will be a new rule that no one in the church can watch the Ellen show. Because Ellen not only had an SP and critic on her show, but she also said she supports Leah. Oh NO!!

    • Where’s Shelly?

      Leah did well! No revealing of new information though.

  • theoracle

    I imagine the Judge is keeping the cameras off the witness for witness protection?

    • Robert Eckert

      No, WhereIsSHE posted the local court rules. As a matter of regular procedure, court proceedings cannot be televised in that county. Some jurisdictions like cameras in the courtroom for better transparency and public awareness; others hate them because of the danger of hammy lawyers playing to the TV; this jurisdiction has made the latter decision.

  • Bella Legosi

    “initiate query into why so many black agencies are being Shut down and treated as criminals prior to any wrong doing being proven?”===
    I can answer that one for you and it will save a lot of money Alfie……….um IT ISN’T PROVEN and the program is a rip off of the quakery that is L Ron’s deluded imagination! When you model your drug rehab off of another that has been the result of patient deaths IT ISN’T A RACE THING. Quit playing that card. Seriously. Your organization didn’t have the best reputation before Crazy Louie went Dianutty. It is not getting any better now. Would you rather prefer to fraud the black community and serve as an accessory to their death before your quack rehab gets shut down?

    “$cientology civilizes white people.” Louis Farrakhan. wow that is so ecclesiastical and humble it almost makes me want to puke!

    >(

  • Bella Legosi

    “Why are youth being denied drug and alcohol services which are federally protected, entitlement programs without any legislature being initiated?”

    Do they really want to go this route? http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php?topic=12446.5;wap2 Here Alfie……..this is some legistlation that currently passed in OK! I am sure you have heard of it!

    “Where are these babies supposed to go?” Ummm maybe to a REAL program that isn’t connected to a vile cult, that disconnects those babies from family/friends, to a service that WON’T KILL THEM?????

  • media_lush

    SHE’S GONNA BLOW ANY MINUTE NOW…… (part of an ongoing series)…..

    • georget1952

      I know it, ML. I think it will be after she leaves DWTS. I do not watch that show but I just might now while she is on it and any other show that she is on because of being on DWTS for sure. Every one of them will be asking her about Scn.

    • SoMissDelicious

      Kirstie watch is my favorite part of the day since I cant view twitter at work. When she esplodes thats going to be a lot of hot air suddenly released into the atmosphere. Poor Thetans

    • 1subgenius

      I think you are really on to something there.
      We should start a pool about when, or a countdown clock.
      BTW, do you mean blow as in blow the cult, or just go insane?
      I’m guessing it’s the latter. My guess would be that she will go flippy before she would ever leave the cult.

  • media_lush

    first report on Leah on Ellen:

    Leah Remini On ‘Ellen’: I ‘Lost Friends’ Since Leaving Scientology (Video)

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/leah-remini-ellen-i-lost-624672

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      (((Fingers in ears.)))

      Bluh bluh bluh bluh bluh bluh bluh….

      • georget1952

        Watch the video link, Douglas. That is the whole thing, all of it. That way you will not have to ask every poster who says something not to talk about the Ellen show today. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • TonyOrtega

      Um, we had our post up almost an hour ago, ML. Do a refresh on the home page.

      • media_lush

        I stand and bow chastened……

  • Mary_McConnell

    Sad no cameras allowed on Thursday…

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Ohhhhhh. 666 comments. and now I’ve ruined it…..

  • California

    Earlier today I left a posting about California being prepared for the challenges by WLC in terms of substance abuse programs.

    To elaborate further: Any rehab facility in California (and all over the nation) will have to abide by the stringent (finally!) laws/rules/regs of SAMHSA, as administered by the individual states and counties. All the hoopla and protests are not going to change that.

    In addition, the insurance companies insuring Narconon have caught on, in some facilities, to the fraud and are both pulling out of insuring them and suing for fraud and misrepresentation…..

    If anyone has any knowledge about who is insuring any of the WLC facilities, it might be nice to get the information about Narconon’s collapse to them. In great detail about the deaths, maimings, fraud, law-suits, investigations, etc. Goodness knows that there is enough information out there.

  • Amelia Williamson

    boooooooo. want see witness testimony.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    WhyWeProtest seems clueless about the event in Sacramento tomorrow. I will get no “lulz” doing it by myself. I will be disappointed if I do not get to join a group in a counter-protest.

    • Casabeca

      Hope it works out for you. At the very least you are willing, and that counts!

  • Clear#4213

    “Judge Dib Waldrip will allow cameras in the courtroom for Thursdayโ€™s hearing in Monique Rathbunโ€™s lawsuit against the Church of Scientology, but not for witness testimony.”

    Don’t worry, Tony. It’s public record and you can get a copy of the testimony when the court stenographer transcribes her records for the case file.

    It will be interesting to see if any amicus briefs are filed and who files them. (Retired legal secretary here.)

  • Robin Hairs

    lol so glad i stumbled on this site. lots of information and many laughs..

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