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Scientology Goes After Critics With Legal Threat Letters Following Strange Infiltration

Yuliya Keaton

Yuliya Keaton, from her Facebook account

Scientology Watching is never dull, particularly when things get really weird, as they did this past week.

Details are still sketchy, but apparently, in April a Florida woman named Yuliya Keaton who had once served in Scientology’s elite Sea Organization rejoined the group at its Los Angeles headquarters, but didn’t tell the church her real aim was to smuggle in recording devices to capture examples of abuse.

On May 30, her plan was discovered. She has claimed in e-mails and Internet postings that she was held in a hotel room and interrogated by church officials for several days. On June 4, the church sent out legal threat letters by e-mail to at least two church critics, accusing them of being in cahoots with Keaton. One of those accused was prominent ex-church member Karen de la Carriere. We have the letter the church sent her, as well as her response.

But first, we want to put on the record the only communication we’ve had with Keaton. Last December, she approached us and Mark Bunker in a three-way Facebook message, asking us for advice about her plans to infiltrate the Sea Org. We tried to discourage her from doing it, and when she asked what legal penalties she might face if caught, we told her we weren’t attorneys. When she asked us one more time about the law and her plans, we sent her a message making it very plain that we did not condone or want to hear about her plans. Here’s a screengrab of those final exchanges…

 
YKeaton4a

 
We heard nothing further in any form from her.

In her various online messages and e-mails, Keaton has told friends that she began her infiltration on April 13. She took with her a number of surveillance tools, including a camera concealed in a tampon. She claimed to have gained access to various sensitive databases and other files and made numerous videos. She has said that she shared this information with up to 100 people who had been given her password for several Internet accounts.

After her activities were discovered on May 30, she has told friends that she was held in a hotel room with a security guard outside her door. She told friends that she escaped one night, but was brought back for more interrogation. She said a private investigator hired by the church found records of her extensive family court history — Keaton has said in the past at online forums that she has lost custody of her children. She said she was released by church officials on June 5, and has reportedly returned to Florida.

On June 4, however, Scientology attorney Gary Soter sent the following letter to Karen de la Carriere via e-mail…

 
SoterLetter

 
De la Carriere was once married to Heber Jentzsch, the president of the Church of Scientology International, but she was excommunicated in 2010 for speaking publicly about her ex-husband’s confinement in Scientology’s notorious office-prison, “The Hole.” Since then she’s become an outspoken critic of the church.

She immediately fired back this response to Soter…

 
KarenResponse

 
De la Carriere tells us that she has hired Ray Jeffrey, the San Antonio attorney who was involved last year in two major legal debacles for the church, one involving former Scientology executive Debbie Cook, and the other a lawsuit filed by former church private eyes Paul Marrick and Greg Arnold.

On June 5, Keaton posted a statement about her infiltration at the Ex-Scientologist Message Board (ESMB), which was initially met with a lot of skepticism. She wrote…

I did what I did because I lost custody of my kids and I thought I have nothing else to lose, but now I may still have a chance to get my kids back, I would rather not to go to prison. I’m very sorry for what happen, I should have planned it better. I’m really sorry that I got some of my friends into troubles against their will. Most of my friends told me not to do it but I did not listen.But whats done is done. The damage I did, is really great.

Later in the message, she made an inventory of the items she had brought with her to the Sea Org in order to make recordings…

a) a hand-held document scanner secreted in an umbrella handle;
b) a USB camera pen hidden in a tampon
c) a hairbrush with a secret compartment in wich to hide a USB flash drive
d) a micro video recorder hidden in a vitamin bottle;
e) enother USB video camera pen
f) one audio recorder pen
g) covert video camera wristwach.
h) one mobole USB T-mobile hot spot with SD card slot
i) one lockbox hidden in fake English dictionary
j) one false rock with hidden compartment
k) one Duracell USB device
l) Three cell phones
m) Sandisk brand micro SD cards (up to 32 GB)

 
Keaton has reportedly lawyered up.

Offended by Soter’s letter, Karen de la Carriere tells us that she decided she would use this opportunity to go public with another story she’s been sitting on for several months.

It involves a young man who was once working for her, and who has been struggling with a drug problem. He turns out to be the son of a Scientology official who de la Carriere believes was responsible for keeping her from seeing her son, Alex Jentzsh, when he died last summer. De la Carriere says that faced with a similar situation — a 27-year-old in trouble — she decided to help her former employee, which brought him in greater contact with his mother, the opposite of what church officials did to her, Karen points out.

 

 
In February, we spoke at length with a former housemate and close friend to “Luigi” who corroborated many of the details in the story that de la Carriere tells. He told us that Luigi’s problem was going unaddressed until de la Carriere complained to church officials, who then encouraged Luigi to enter drug rehab. “I don’t know anyone else who could make a difference,” he told us. “I’m not going to call the church, because [Luigi]’s not on lines at the church. He doesn’t want his mom to get involved. That’s his shame. So I called Karen for help.”

De la Carriere provided aid to the son of the woman who had kept her, de la Carriere says, from seeing her dead son.

 
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Elisabeth Moss and ABC

Our longtime readers might be surprised that we haven’t taken a shot at ABC for yet another sop to Scientology — in this case an insufferable interview with Mad Men actress Elisabeth Moss, who spouted typically vague happy talk about Scientology and stayed far away from any of the controversies currently consuming the church. But we’re going to hold our fire this time. We’ve received some information that the Disney Network is trying, once again, to get some real reporting about Scientology on the air. And if this favor to Moss helps the lawyers at the network stiffen their spines a bit, well, we’re all for it. We’ll say more about the story they’re looking into when we can.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 10, 2013 at 06:00

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  • Karen de la Carriere

    Ahhhhhhh the Righteous Indignation. How dare anyone spy on the *Church*. How dare anyone infiltrate the *Church.*

    The Church sending out these *Fishing expedition* letters is a hoot. ROFL ! At least 4-6 others received this identical letter

    MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALL, WHO’S THE BADDEST OF THEM ALL ?

    Operation Snow White included a series of infiltrations and thefts from Government agencies, foreign embassies, consulates in more than 30 countries. Even more unconscionable were 10s of thousands of pages on private citizens, former members, ex-Scientologists, criics, journalists, authors, media who had reported against Scientology. The infiltration and spying into their lives was all on Church Files.

    Tens of thousands of infiltrated stolen documents were found in the FBI 1977 raids and many of these documents have gone on record in court in Washington DC.

    Covert Intelligence Executives such as Henning Heldt, Tom Reitze, and Duke Snyder are all Scientologists in “good standing ~~ “OT VIIIs” working for David Morse and associates in Glendale, CA.

    Church Infiltration ? LOL

    MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALL, WHO’S THE BADDEST OF THEM ALL ?

    Guardian Office “Operations.”

    1 Operations
    1.1 Operation Big Mouth
    1.2 Operation Bulldozer Leak
    1.3 Operation Bunny Bust
    1.4 Operation Cat
    1.5 Operation Chaos Leak
    1.6 Operation China Shop
    1.7 Operation Cut Throat
    1.8 Operations Daniel and Dynamite
    1.9 Operation Devil’s Wop
    1.10 Operation Fickle
    1.11 Operation Freakout
    1.12 Operation Funny Bone
    1.13 Operation Information
    1.14 Operation Italian Fog
    1.15 Operation Keeler
    1.16 Operation Kettle
    1.17 Operation Orange Juice
    1.18 Operation Rook
    1.19 Operation Smoke
    1.20 Operation Snapper
    1.21 Operation Sore Throat
    1.22 Operation Strike

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guardian%27s_Office_operations

    • Sidney18511

      Karen, bless you for all that you do. I have been following the thread on ESMB regarding Yulia and I KNEW that you had to be one of the critics that the church would want to take down. The videos that you and AGP are putting out are kick arse wicked good and the COS no-likey. Keep up the great work!

    • Missionary Kid

      Karen, you’ve acted more like “Luigi’s” mother than his own. Let’s hope he finds help.

      • FistOfXenu

        Big yes to this MK. Karen’s been the real deal here when his own mother’s busy drinking the clam aid. I’d love to see Luigi wake up and realize what happened and leave the cult. Even better is they both do.

        Karen, I stand up and take off my hat to you. And I’m glad you didn’t get dragged down in this. It stinks of the kind of ham fisted entrapment overkill the cult imagines is clever.

    • Racnad
      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        My first thought was, “Coal Black” the notorious Warner Brothers cartoon satirizing Snow White.

    • deanblair

      Thank you Karen for this information. It confirms what I have read about OSA from others. I am so happy that you are communicating this information to the world. Please continue to do your good works.

      • Roger Larsson

        Tory/Magoo
        was sent to a.r.s by OSA to handle critics. She failed in her operating
        mission.

        • Observer

          But she succeeded in getting her life back.

          • Roger Larsson

            Her mission
            ended up in to something good to us all.

            • Truthiwant

              The biggest problem for OSA is always going to be if a peson blows and the squeals.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              Yes, that is true, and people need to know their rights.

        • Poison Ivy

          But she is succeeding beautifully in “Operation Tick Tock”!!

          • Roger Larsson

            To be screwed
            up in the head is not a thing, itโ€™s something emotionally. In lack of something…….

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Great work Karen.

      Maybe this will blow up into an even bigger story, and reveal OSA’s “standard operations” of what exactly are their program steps.

      These letters sound like fishing expedition steps to flush out who was helping Lia Kea, cheap intell footwork with the dual edge of fair game harassment.

      Pure L. Ron Hubbard Guardian’s Office era “adopted at church policy” OSA Network Orders writings from Hubbard, are OSA’s marching orders today. They didn’t need to be continuing these old Hubbard ordered tactics, but they chose to keep these Hubbard orders and policies in place.

      Scientology is so offensive and irreligious, and I hope this turns into a media nightmare for OSA and DM and Scientology!

      When OSA attacks, I urge people to please read Hubbard’s OSA Network Orders, and read the examples of the “Handling Programs” that have leaked, and listen to the ex OSA people who’ve been operatives and done their advanced agent provocateur tactics and their cheap intell provocative stuff.

      We need the dirty PIs and dirty OSA staff who do this stuff or know of this stuff in recent years, to tell what they know is “routine.”

      A book needs to be written about the GO and OSA.

      I’d disband OSA in a heartbeat if I had the power.

      All of the key fundamental intelligence and counter attack policy that Hubbard ever wrote, which is all laid out in the Frank Oliver Hat pack, just cancel all of it!

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/48399838/Frank-Oliver-Full-Hat

      These letters are just fishing expeditions, cheap intell and cheap scare tactics, which I hope blow up in their face!

      I can’t believe a lawyer would want to work for Scientology.

      I highly doubt Scientology’s lawyers do their due diligence on Scientology, but ALL lawyers taking money from Scientology NEED to read the materials in the Frank Oliver Hat Pack! And read some of the OSA Handling Programs, and if they want to be associated with Scientology, then that speaks a lot about those lawyers!!!

      • Truthiwant

        Fucking hell, Chuck! I thought the SS, KGB or the Stasi were bad but OSA ranks up with the worst of them.

        • Missionary Kid

          Mafia, but Co$ has better security in the buildings.

        • zhubajie

          They don’t have anything like the financial or other resources of a government agency.

    • Poison Ivy

      Karen, you are living proof that a mother’s love is not only eternal, but uncompromising and nothing for anyone to mess with, even the “Great and Powerful Dave”. I loved your response to CO$’s attorney. Thank you for all you do to help the innocent and the wronged. The folks here at the Bunker have your back.

    • DamOTclese2

      What is also fascinating is that if David Miscaviage ordered this retribution and retaliation, he seems to still have no concept of the consequences of targeting activists basically engaged in law enforcement work like Keaton was doing (however badly.) Does the 1.1 Dwarf really not understand the public relations and the legal detriment from assaulting Keaton and “everyone else,” or is Miscaviage merely insane that it never occurs to him… No way to tell what runs through that poor man’s head.

    • ThetaBara

      I support you, Karen.
      Keep holding their feet to the fire and being awesome!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      A reputable lawyer would not write that letter to you. The guy is worse than an idiot because from the facts it appears that his client kidnapped and threatened this woman. No matter how kooky, or out of control she was, they did not have the right to keep her in a locked room under guard. How many threats did they issue against her? Did Miscavige pull his infantile “people are going to jail routine”? This is the routine he and Moxon seem to like to use, perhaps they even have tin badges. Enough is enough. The whole operation will come down sooner if people stopped believing the cult has the right to take away their rights. This kidnapping and harrassment operation should be reported to the California Attorney General, and the FBI, pronto.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        In this day and age all communication has a paper trail. In Email it is recorded in “mail you have sent”. I mobile devices it is recorded in history and phone records.

        The *Church* knew damn well that I had never *EVER* spoken to her, was not on the list of who she allegedly shared her password with, had never received alleged stolen Church data from her.. I blocked her on facebook the moment I heard she was involved in “infiltration”. So the whole accusative letter was invented out of whole cloth. Complete fabrication. Fired up I did 3 videos… the next 2 videos are on Fair Game. They follow OSA network series #15 called “Black propaganda.”

        • Hugin

          Karen, something puzzles me here regarding “Luigi”. I watched your video, and I always enjoy your videos and believe you’re doing great things to help bring down the scam of $cientology. Thanks you for that! I am in no way affiliated with that cult, and I really do not intend to criticise your actions unjustly. However, when I watched the video and read the accompanying material, I was surprised by what was done and how people here reacted to the story, because I couldn’t (and can’t) see in what way Luigi was “helped” by alerting $cientology authorities to the young man?

          Maybe an analogy will help (and please, kindly excuse spelling or grammatical mistakes, English is not my first language): There’s a young woman who grew up in a very dysfunctional family with a violent, fundamentalist father. He believed the cure for any evil was physical punishment and treated his children accordingly, regular beatings and degradations, the full monty. His youngest daughter escaped and got away from that family, but eventually ended up in a decrepit brothel, selling her body for a living. Now, what could her older brother do, who had also escaped that family and was living a normal life outside that family? He was, by then, partitipating a support group of survivors of domestic violence and child abuse.

          What he did: Alert the violent father to his daughter’s situation, expose the father’s crimes against the girl – and then tell him her whereabouts and make sure she would be taken “home” and “treated” and “cured” in the violent fashion that came naturally to him.

          Surprisingly, people in the son’s support group applauded him and thanked him for the “good” he had done. I wouldn’t be surprised if the father killed the young woman.

          This is what I don’t understand: If anyone wanted to HELP Luigi, as a young man, a human being, a person, why would they alert $cientology and thereby knowingly make sure he’ll be put under Narconon control when at the same time there are a couple of investigations for deaths at their facilities? I can’t see any “good” being done here. Wouldn’t helping Luigi to some REAL treatment have been a better way to deal with the situation? (I know that’s a lot to ask – I can imagine how hard it is in the US to place someone in an insitution like that!) Yet, I’m still puzzled.

          Maybe there’s something in this story that I don’t understand?

      • Zana

        Wow! Thank you for this. She was being held against her will. Just can’t wait to see this all collapse like a house of cards.

        Karen, you are a MEGA Star! A truly Powerful Being.

    • Viewpoint of Dementia

      Karen,

      I was so happy to read the first sentence of your post that I couldn’t read any further!

      Does this mean that you’re doing your A to E?

      Does COB know? He will be straight up and vertical!

      I couldn’t believe it either! Who would have the temerity to attempt to suppress the explosive growth of the only technology that can get us out of the trap? I just can’t cognite it.

      But we know RTC will handle all suppression tirelessly and ruthlessly!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Did someone say RTC?

        We looked at this massively bungled op and, we can assure you, that Gary Soter will be handled.

        COB is furious that some wog lawyers (and possibly law enforcement) wants hotel security video of Ken Moxon going in and out of the room OSA had Yulia trapped in when they were beating a confession out of her.

        This means that OSA cannot ever again use the Courtyard Los Angeles LAX/Century Boulevard located at 6161 W Century Boulevard, Los Angeles, California, 90045.

        Oh and there is more!

        • Viewpoint of Dementia

          OT8, thank you so much for this totally upstat theta update! Will there be an exclusive briefing on this for New Civilization Builders?

          I am so comforted to know that COB RTC is at the helm! It takes a truly big being with massive confront to handle this level of suppression, but COB armed with on-Source, on-policy technology is going to blast us all to Target 2!

        • DodoTheLaser

          Not if they made Y sign a paper with her blood, stating she loved the hotel and free food.

    • sister wendy

      Thank you Karen!

  • media_lush

    You’d have thought by now that the scions would have realised that every time they go to court they’re guaranteed to detonate a self-inflicted shit bomb. This one looks like it holds quite a few large and pungent turds. I anticipate their mismanagement with maximum lulz.

    • Zana

      LOL!

  • Arthur B

    Hmm, dunno how to take this one. It is interesting seeing the Church in a big self-righteous huffy flap. On the other hand, if the materials she acquired were transmitted to 100 different people in order to make sure it got widely distributed, where are all the links to them? Shouldn’t whyweprotest and other sites be buzzing with links to this stuff and discussion (or overanalysis) of the juicy secrets therein?

    • stateofcircle

      Exactly.

    • Noah Miller

      Hmmmmmmmmmm………………

      I would normally pass that off as giving Sci too much credit but that is a good question. I’m more than willing to give it time for it all to come out. There’s many things that could have happened. People may not have actually downloaded anything, she may have just sent them the passwords and everyone rolled their eyes or didn’t want to touch it with a theta foot stick.

      Or anyone with the info knew she was detained and are waiting to see what happens. Or.. Or.. Or.. Ya know?

      • Arthur B

        That’s kind of my point really, it’s way too early in the story to come to a conclusion one way or the other about what’s going on, but the parts that have come out so far don’t exactly make me 100% confident in Yuliya as a source.

        I mean, even if we take her at face value she’s demonstrated that she’s willing to do very dangerous and irresponsible things despite the best advice of the most respected and capable Scientology investigators and protesters in the field.

        • Noah Miller

          Crap, reading through the exscn posts, she might just be utterly unbalanced.

          • Arthur B

            Certainly sounds that way. Honestly, I half-suspect the 100 people who are supposedly holding onto the stuff she obtained don’t even exist. (You’d think that out of a group that big at least *one* would have leaked the stuff out to the wider world by now.)

            • Noah Miller

              Not only do the people not exist, but they probably didn’t even exist in her head until they asked “how many people did you send this to?”. And then she blurts out the first big number that comes to mind.

            • stanrogers

              I dunno. She’s got the schizoaffective thing going pretty good; I’d assume she has “non-electronic” means of getting the information out. And it’s rather likely that she read Tony’s message as something like “as always, if you or any of your team are caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions”. It’s really hard to read her trail of internet breadcrumbs without thinking delusional disorder.

      • Noah Miller

        Reading her statement is odd. Lines like “…and provided them to several enemies of the church…” makes me worried about it. It’s just an odd thing to say. The church considers people enemies, someone outside the church though? Just a terminology thing. But I’d say even the most ardent opponent is a critic, not an enemy.

        • Poison Ivy

          If she says “enemies of the church,” she is still in Clam Think Mode.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Or “her” speech was written for her by someone else.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      NO ARTHUR B NO!

      We in the Church of Scientology do not have “huffy flaps.”

      What we have is moral outrage that the internet is mocking us.

  • Missionary Kid

    I’m sad to hear that “Luigi” was forced to go to a NarCONon facility. Of course, the $cions believe their own hype of it’s success, but they could have gotten as much of a cure for him if they’d sent him to a health spa, because his reaction to Co$ is probably at the heart of his addiction, and Nar

    • Peter

      What I’m curious about is why police authorities stepped since the org took on their own policing powers by (1) holding her incommunicado and (2) interrogating her. If she committed a crime, why did they not report her? And if *they* held *her* incommunicado, they have admitted to a serious crime themselves. Curiouser and curiouser.

      • Peter

        And how did she lose her children? Could she be a plant against Karen? Totally weird.

        • tetloj

          http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?31980-Please-read-and-share-but-do-not-reply-here

          Enter this particular rabbit hole here. Interesting comments from people here who I tend to trust.

          • Peter

            Oh, they treated her almost royally well, according to her statements? Sure, that’s always how they treat infiltrators. The more I read, the more it smells.

            • Sunny Sands

              Maybe they played nicey-nice to get her to turn over all of her surveillance items.

      • Missionary Kid

        Co$ is careful to make sure that any imprisonment ends up being a he said, she said type of case. The are also not going to report a crime to the police, because that would bring potential scrutiny.

        • Noah Miller

          They’d have to report it if they’re going to go ahead with lawsuits. No crime = No dammages = No lawsuit.

          And if they report the crime they’ll have to say when the noticed it was occurring and explain the days between when they noticed, and when she was able to leave.

          • Missionary Kid

            You put it better than me.

  • aquaclara

    I had seen the Keaton story on ESMB, and tossed it off as a nutter. I’m surprised Gary Soter would find this credible enough to touch. It is one strange story, indeed. NO ONE deserves to have unwarranted, threatening letters sent to them – thank heavens that Karen, Tony and Mark know when a fish smells in Scientology, there is usually more than just a whiff to a story. This reeks of a set-up or fair game somewhere. Please be safe, all.

    Another child victim of Scientology. This is so sad. It’s so clear, too, that Luigi has more friends outside the COS than within. Karen picking up the phone to call OSA… That takes more guts than I could ever imagine. Wow. Thanks, Karen and AGP for putting this on the record, too. And I hope Luigi finds the help he needs one more time. Let’s hope this time, his mother acts like a mother should, and realizes that her son’s life is far, far, more important than one more round of dirty tricks.

    • Missionary Kid

      I think that the only reason the mother got involved was because of the potential PR disaster if something happens to “Luigi.” At least Karen has the courage to challenge the Church of $cientology to take care of one of their own for once.

      I’m sure there’s a lot more to this story.

      • aquaclara

        Yup – there has to be more to this one with a mother like that, a cult like this, and a son exposed to both. I hope Luigi has the ability to seek real treatment; not Narconon, although that appears to be all they know.

    • RMycroft

      Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead. If 100 people had the password to an email account, CoS would have known about it fairly soon. All they would have to do is delete the emails as fast as they came in.

      This story doesn’t make any sense in details or as a whole.

      • Poison Ivy

        Looks like an OSA attempt to Fair Game critics of the church?

        • RMycroft

          They could try to use it for fishing expeditions of searching computers for their claimed “stolen goods” (and anything else they can grab), but they have an awfully thin story to convince a judge to grant search warrants. (And their record of abuse of such warrants in the past won’t help them.)

          • DodoTheLaser

            [IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/ioq003.png[/IMG]

    • Zana

      A tiger doesn’t change it’s spots. The frog gave a scorpion a ride across the stream and still got stung. Why? The Scorpion said “it’s my nature.” IMHO – Luigi’s mother will NEVER be a mother to him. Or even a sane ally.

  • Observer

    “Dear Ms. Soter” … ouch! It started my morning off with a laugh.

    I guess Davey is good at something besides shooting himself in the foot–he sure knows how to carry a grudge. Very ecclesiastical! And until Scientology stops spying on other people they shouldn’t be allowed to take legal action against anyone who spies on them.

  • jensting

    Since Hubbard (and therefore the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology) never evolved out of the 50’s cold war style spying, it’s impossible to tell if this is legit, a bluff, a double bluff or a triple bluff. Suffice to say that breaking the law should not be necessary in order to counter the Co$. Whistle-blowing is a grey area, and all I can say is that I hope “Kea” has indeed lawyered up.

  • traveller

    I believe her defense should be “this is how the church taught me to deal with a problem” She should turn the tables on them by providing all the documentation on how the church spies on everyone else.

    • Missionary Kid

      How can she do that? If she had the evidence, she would have put it out there already.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Whether Yuliya intended so or not, she clearly became scientology’s tool.

    It’s important not to do anything even borderline illegal while protesting this “church”, no matter how tempting.

    Otherwise, you feed the beast. Forget the down votes and expensive ads – THIS is what really OSA wants.

    • Missionary Kid

      Exactly!

      • Skwerl King

        Yes. There are ways to infiltrate without illegality. SMERSHANON’s most productive agents are the ones operating legally and are above suspicion.

        Bwah ha ha ha! Bwah ha ha ha!

        • Missionary Kid

          ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Poison Ivy

      Sadly, this woman’s grammar and spelling are all too indicative of a Sea Org “higher” education. How sadly misguided of her; now she’s become yet another excuse for the church to pull together and rally their slaves against the evil SP’s who would bring them all down. This kind of thing does nothing to free those inside.

      That said, if she did come out with any useful information for the law to use, I’m hoping it disappeared into the coffers of Anonymous, where it can be protected until it is of use to bolster a real legal case.

      • Spackle Motion

        English is not her first language.

      • Jgg2012

        PI, Interestingly enough, if stolen / ilegally obtained material is given to a 3d party who was not involved in such taking, the 3d party can use it (as long as he doesn’t violate copyright laws). That is what happened with the Tom Cruise video–Gawker and Youtube got it, and can use portions of it (fair use) because they did not steal it.

  • Noah Miller

    You’d think there might be more of an issue about them keeping her locked in a room with a guard and not handing her over to the police. How long can you hold someone who’s committing a crime? I did some cursory googling and it seems security guards in a loss prevention position can only hold someone a few hours before they’re committing a crime themselves.

    So while Kea did something quite illegal, Sci it seems may have done something worse, especially if she escaped and the dragged her back. It might very well be Unlawful Imprisonment.

    Then again I could be way off base. Anyone happen to have a clearer idea here?

    • Noah Miller

      Ok still might be totally wrong here. But it seems this might fall under the shopkeepers exemption. But even there it is only for a few hours, they cannot search you and they must see you take the item, not just suspect it.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Unless they let her leave with evidence, it is a she said/they said stalemate. I say this with no assumptions her story is true or false.

        • Noah Miller

          It depends, if they intend to file lawsuits to get the information back then they have to file police reports saying that the items were stolen/copied. Then they have to account for the time between when they noticed that items had been copied, and when they released her. Which appears to, no matter which way you slice it up, a half dozen days.

          What I think is most likely, if she’s telling the truth, is that they’re offer her a chance to reunite with her kids on a probationary basis so long as she becomes a lens for them to focus on prosecuting people for theft of data. So she won’t be targeted, but the people she sent things to will. Which negates the whole issue of unlawful arrest completely.

  • Sunny Sands

    Perhaps Kea didn’t get any information at all. She was questioned by OSA, where she apparently told them she gave the goods to Karen, who doesn’t know anything about it. I wonder who ended up with Kea’s surveillance items and storage devices. Did they take them from Kea? If so, that makes OSA the thieves.

    • Captain Howdy

      It obviously never happened. She’s either nuts, and I know that’s kinda of redundant considering she’s apparently a scilon, or this was some sort of harassment op set up by the OSA.

      • Noah Miller

        The second letter here is a good peak into her mind. I would not be surprised if she never sent anything and just yelled that she did so that the sci guards would spend some time with her.

        http://freezone-tech.info/blog/2010/01/28/my-doubt-formula/

        • Captain Howdy

          Oy vey! I’m starting think “Yuliya” is Babs Schwarz in disguise.The most striking about that page was that that none of scilons who commented seemed to be put off by her delusional ramblings about Quentin and the Lion King. Scientology makes the sane temporarily insane (hopefully) enough so they can’t spot the truly insane when they meet them.

          • DodoTheLaser

            “Scientology makes the sane temporarily insane (hopefully) enough so they can’t spot the truly insane when they meet them.” ~ Captain Howdy

            This ^^^ goes in the golden quotes archive along with:

            “Scientology needs well-meaning dupes, like the machine needs oil”. ~ Veda

  • John P.

    The first thing that struck me about this case with the mystery spy woman is that the letter to Karen came from Gary Soter, who is not exactly the top of the list when it comes to great legal minds. Soter is not even top of the list of sleazebags that stoop so low as to work for the cult. Given his role in the Debbie Cook case (attempting to trap Debbie’s attorney with some odd correspondence) one can only assume this is an incredibly slimy operation of some kind, though it is difficult on the surface of it to understand exactly what they are trying to accomplish except possibly to scare various online critics somehow and to cost them some legal fees to defend themselves against some bizarre accusations.

    • Truthiwant

      I like Gary Soter’s undertitle “A Professional Law Corporation” just to make it clear that somebody doesn’t think they are amateurs!
      At least he didn’t write what I once saw on a visiting card where a business man had written “We have the best proffesional service.”
      (If you don’t get it, look at the spelling!)

      • Gerard Plourde

        Although the typesetting is odd, Soter’s description of his practice as a “professional corporation” is not unusual. Lawyers in sole practice can operate in a number of ways: as a sole proprietor, a limited liability corporation, or as a regular corporation. The latter two forms are ways of limiting personal exposure to lawsuit and are regularly used by lawyers, doctors and other professionals.

      • Espiando

        If he was truly a professional attorney, he would have his own domain and not have to use a GMail address. Disclosure: I use a GMail address for business, but I’m an independent consultant and don’t have an office. Gary Soter is an attorney-at-law with an office.

        I think that they only used Soter because if Karen got anything from Moxon or Kobrin, she really would have gone ballistic. Never make an LRH-trained Class XII go ballistic. It’s not a pretty sight.

        • coonellie

          Too true regarding the email address! I’m always amazed at (so-called) professionals who have gmail/hotmail/yahoo accounts.

          p.s. Hope you got a few hours sleep before your flight! You seem to have a brain, even with little or no sleep…lucky you!

        • Gerard Plourde

          It depends what kind of law you practice. A personal injury litigator may find a personal domain useful to generate business. But lawyers have to be careful how`they use the web to avoid breaching confidentiality and it makes many (myself included) reluctant to use it as fully as other professionals.

        • Anon Nom Nom

          Hell, I’m not a lawyer or employed in a self-owned “professional corporation”, but I still have every permutation of my name owned with all of the major domain suffixes attached. That was internet life 101 all the way back in 1997, kids.

    • WeStandTall

      I suspect that the real goal of this operation is to deter and warn all potential infiltrators from ever engaging in this type of undercover surveillance.

      Mini recording devices such as USB camera pens and the like are inexpensive, difficult to detect, and VERY effective. The church must fear these devices as a major vulnerability.

      What purpose would it serve Yuliya to publicly reveal her excessive collection of surveillance gear? None. It’s far more likely that these are the tools most feared by the church itself, and this entire operation was intended to deter their use. (To ensnare a church critic in the process would just be an added bonus).

      • stateofcircle

        Good point.

      • FistOfXenu

        Yup. But now I have a picture in my head of DM being terrified of tampons and refusing to meet any women til he’s had them searched and taken away their tampons.

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          Gives new meaning to, “Toxic Shock Syndrome”.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        No. If it was an OSA op, even using an unstable person as the center, the aim would have been to draw in as many scientology critics as possible that could be named as co-conspirators. The gear is just there to make it juicy to the media when it breaks. Possibly to also provide “evidence” from the “spy gear” itself to “prove” everything is nice and no abuse occurs in the Sea Org. “Look, even the spy couldn’t find abuse!”

        If Scientology caught her spying and didn’t turn her over to the police immediately, instead they “guarded” her and “interrogated her” for days, would seem to me to be unlawful itself. It might be kidnapping. They don’t seem to have gone to the police even now.

        If she didn’t go to the police over the being restrained for days, why not? Despite her possibly being a self styled spy, the police would be her best protection.

        So the follow-on part of the staged incident, in this possible scenario, is to draw in as many critics and exes as possible to “help” her and use their resources, possibly reveal some who are under the radar or anonymous. It seems specifically targeted at Karen to compromise her or tie her up in legal.

        • DeElizabethan

          I go with what you say. Even if a nut case this makes more sense knowing them.

        • Peter

          Holding her incommunicado for whatever time – 2 hours – 2 days – 2 weeks IS kidnapping. No two ways about it. And all that time she never saw a bad thing? Red Light!!!

        • CharleneHux

          Spot on, Michael. Too many contradictions where Yuliya is concerned, not to mention too many aliases. IMO, she’s just another illegal pc sop doing conditions or A-E and an effective blow to the enemy, etc. to try to get back on scn lines.

          Her kids were taken because she abused them. Her kids don’t have any connection to scn that we know.

          Yuliya worked hard to get thousands of exes on her FB. I doubt that was a coincidence after all her lying. Tampon cameras. So she was going to maybe hold it in her hand and point it at someone? Leave it out on top of a desk wouldn’t be the least bit noticeable, would it..

          I say she’s crazy AND a scn.

          • Rob Kline

            I didn’t know DM even allowed women to menstruate? I figured that was something an OT could handle through auditing? I mean seriously, if I were a woman that is something I’d want to handle with my OT super powers. If you can control MEST certainly you can control menses, right?

            • sister wendy

              That’s OTXII, Rob- stop menses and ejaculations;)

            • Rob Kline

              lol

          • Zana

            You’re so right. When I was reading her list of all the spy equipment she took with her on her “mission” I kept wondering, why in the world would she enumerate all this? And on the internet? The truth inside this whole setup is very convoluted. Thank you all for starting to unravel and examine the pieces for all of us.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        It only works the way you suggest if people believe they have no rights. Was there wrong doing? Perhaps. Did the cult have the right to lock her up? If someone shoplifts, does the store have the right to lock them up for days under armed guard? Why does the cult believe they have the right to kidnap people? Deterrence is pressing charges, bringing a lawsuit. Kidnapping, threats, harassment, these are mobster-forms of deterrence. What the cult has done is leave themselves wide open to kidnapping investigations, not a bright move on their part……

        • villagedianne

          Macy’s in NYC got in trouble for illegally detaining people they determined were shoplifters. Turns out the store had a “quota” and used racial profiling to accuse innocent people of shoplifting. Some people did not put up a fight against false accusations because they were afraid of the consequences of public disclosure that they had been detained, even falsely, for shoplifting.
          What Macy’s was doing was illegal and they were forced to stop when the whole thing was discovered and publicized.

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            Many stores got in trouble for illegally detaining alleged shoplifters and even a rookie store owner knows not to do it now. Apparently, this lesson has not been learned by the church. The church has bad judgment and bad leadership, a recipe for disaster.

    • DamOTclese2

      ๐Ÿ™‚ I did not think of that, I assumed immediately that Keaton was telling the truth about attempting to infiltrate, now that you mention it, the shoddy way she went about it certainly smells like a Miscaviage plot. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Jgg2012

      Yes John, Gary Soter “needs” clients. Co$ is running out of high priced firms who can turn away clients.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      One of the stupidest mistakes a lawyer can make is sending out a letter like this without knowing the facts or anticipating every angle. His client kept a woman under armed guard in a locked room for days. Whoever, whatever, she is, this imprisonment will be a fact in any “case” they try to make or bring. It will be made public in forums like this, and in any litigation they try to bring. Shortly, Mr. Soter will be screaming about articles about his client and kidnapping. All of this because he was too stupid to do a damage control assessment before sending out harassing letters.

  • WeStandTall

    Yuliya’s absurd list of James Bondian spy tools is a dead giveaway that this “infiltration” is a hoax.

    I’m surprised she didn’t claim to bring along her Ghostbuster’s Proton Pack…

    • Observer

      Yeah, I was thinking all that spy equipment must be pricey and was wondering how she got it.

      • Truthiwant

        All this stuff is easy to buy on-line. In England there are even dedicated “Spy Shops” where they sell you quite sophisticated “James Bond” style objects. Most of this stuff, however, you can buy on Ebay.

        • Observer

          I left off half the sentence–time for more coffee! I meant that I was wondering how she got the money for all of it.

          • Truthiwant

            Better keep that coffee pot boiling. I can see some great shoops in this story!

          • monkeyknickers

            Me too!

      • WeStandTall

        Actually this kind of equipment is now very accessible and inexpensive. What makes that list so farcical is the amount of items, the types of items, and the very fact that she would so brazenly reveal them online.

        The key to any undercover surveillance operation is stealth. And any member of the church (former or current) knows how dangerous an organization it is. Each additional piece of equipment she carries monumentally increases her risk of exposure.

        All Yuliya would have really needed to inflict major damage was an audio recorder and a video recorder (which these days are often contained in one single device). And yet she brings: a pen camera, a wristwatch camera, a tampon camera, a vitamin bottle camera, a hairbrush hard drive, an umbrella document scanner, a book safe, a rock safe, various memory cards and USB devices, 3 cell phones!!!

        This whole scenario reeks so strongly of bullshit I’m surprised anyone here has any doubt that this was a church operation from start to finish.

        • FistOfXenu

          You just read my mind.

        • Poison Ivy

          Sounds like a church operation, yes I was just thinking that. Noah Miller’s comment about “enemies of the church” was the lightbulb for me.

        • DeElizabethan

          You said it. Plus Tony and Mark wanted no part of it at the beginning. Kudos.

          • Poison Ivy

            Of course they didn’t.

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          Might be, might not be. Time will tell. It is also something that someone might do who is really, really upset with the cult. Seeing as though there are hundreds of thousands of people in that position, it is not surprising that one or more would stop by the local tech shop and put down a few hundred on a modern day junior G-Man kit.

          • WeStandTall

            I’m trying to keep an open mind and look at this from every possible angle, but I don’t see how Yuliya’s story is even plausible. Even if this woman was/is desperate, extremely foolish, mentally ill – or all 3 – it still wouldn’t account for how this has apparently unfolded.

            If there’s any legitimacy to this story at all and Yuliya really is a disgruntled ex-member who went undercover (and reached out to Tony & MArk in good faith), then EVERY element of her story/confession has been hugely exaggerated, no doubt on strict orders from her captors.

            BTW has anyone verified this woman’s existence, let alone her current or former status in the church?

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              Thanks. I will reexamine the information here and reflect upon your statement.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              I have questioned a new poster (as of today) to this blog Monica Pignotti who says she received several emails from Yuliya in 2009 and seems to know people who know this woman/girl during her EPF period and progress in the SO. I have tried (nicely) 3 times to get her to elaborate on her statements but I’ve been ignored.

              You might have better success than I did.

            • Zana

              Good thinking.

        • Observer

          If this *is* a black op, which is looking more and more to be the case, I wonder if that ridiculously long list of spy equipment is OSA’s idea of damning evidence. “If she has one hidden camera she’ll look bad. If she has 15 hidden cameras she’ll look like a hardened criminal even to those ignorant wogs!”

          • GrimlyGris

            If it is a black op, it just may go down the annals as the most inept endeavor of all time, surpassing squirrel busters. Notwithstanding everything that is wrong with Keaton’s story, if there was an osa intent to discredit any scientology critic who would take the bait, choosing a “messenger” whose credibility is destroyed after a 5 minute internet search shows nothing other than mind-boggling ineptitude. If Tony and Mark didn’t know who this loon was at the beginning of their conversation, I’m petty sure they did at the end of it. Furthermore, there’s the big problem of no evidence of anyone encouraging, soliciting or accepting anything from this imbecile.

            This woman is so starved for attention, I wouldn’t be surprised is she came forward herself to osa and they, themselves are half-heartedly going through the motions throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. (if osa really did “interrogate” her, does anyone believe she (especially her) could sit upright from the fetal position to tell about it on a critical message board less than two weeks later? (and the experience wasn’t so bad, no less))

            • sugarplumfairy

              Or she’s an unbalanced scientologist following the directives of an unbalanced co$ superior..

            • Zana

              But if she’s being Sec Checked… how does she go through those Sec Checks pretending that she’s not infiltrating? They ask her all those questions right up front. Again and again in many different ways. She’s got the f—in’ tampon in her purse. Does this not read on the meter when she’s being grilled?

            • Zana

              Hmmm….that could be why she tried to involve Tony and Karen and the 100 others. To see who would take the bait. So that Co$ could weave a net and attack. So bizarre. And why are the police not investigating the fact that she was “imprisoned” by the Co$ for that long? I hope this all does come out.

        • Zana

          The other thing is… how did she not get caught from the middle of April till the end of June? With all the auditing and Sec Checks. I mean, even when I was merely getting through my Grades, they would ask me if I was there to spy, et al. That’s the FIRST thing they do. How could she get through all the Sec Checks with that paraphernalia in her purse? And if she got through one, how could she stay “under cover” for 1 1/2 months?

    • George Layton

      She should have put some smoke pellets in her bat belt so she had a smoke screen for her escape.

      • Noah Miller

        SeaOrg-Repellant woulda done it.

      • Truthiwant

        Quite right. In her Aston Martin DB5 with bullet proof shield and ejector seat.

  • Observer

    Assuming this actually happened as described, was she held in a real hotel or was it a Scientology-owned building? If it was a legitimate hotel they might have something to say (or a lawsuit to file) about unlawful imprisonment taking place on the premises.

  • 10oriocookies

    Its only illegal if they are the ones getting spyed on. Whatever. I have a whole new level of respect for Karen. It would be extremely hard for me to help someone who did what that lady did, but at the end of the day, Karen can still look herself in the mirror knowing she did the right thing. Thanks for setting the example.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Who initiates a clandestine operation by emailing 100 future co-conspirators? Only a scientologist..

    • Leslie Stipe

      That was perfectly stated!

    • WeStandTall

      Do any of the resident church insiders here have any information on this Yuliya Keaton? Has her existence even been verified?

      • thetagal

        She’s been on facebook for some time, placing her personal stories as they unfolded regarding her kids.

    • Jgg2012

      I wonder where that places them on the tone scale.

    • RMycroft

      I’m sure that she told all 100 people to keep it quiet.

    • Rob Kline

      Well… we do live in a country that has 4.2 million people with security clearance. So why not have 100 co-conspirators?

    • Zana

      Hah! Still laughing!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    When I make comments about anyone still involved in scientology since 2010 being either deranged or delusional, end justifies the means fanatics, or fraud con scamming criminals, currently cannibalizing the remnants of those who remain, it may sound too broad and extreme. It is not.

    The only innocents left are the children of scientology, abused, neglected or raised as future recruit pods. In a recent Vance/Dianetics thread about family life, the real stories popped up all day…about the child abuse or neglect that has been the worst of Scientology’s dirty secrets. It began from Day One. Hubbard set up the “ideal family” life that one by one destroyed his own. Despite this evidence, scientologists copy him as a role model.

    Scientology today is being “run” by these 2nd and 3rd gen pods except for the last remaining sociopaths at the top levels, like Dead Eyed Donatela. There is no movie, or book, or historical footnote that I can toss out as an example because the scientology story is unique. But watching Karen’s video did flash me back to scenes from Lord of the Flies, Cedar House Rules, The Insider, and of course… A Mother’s Courage.

    • George Layton

      I wish there were some way to give, to the children, the truth about the engrams non-existence. They could then be done with the whole lot. Nothing left to spend an entire life clearing for.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    If Kea’s story was true, then OSA would already have the names of her “helpers” and not need a fishing expedition. If Kea is as idiotic as she makes herself appears, OSA would have extracted All the intel they needed from this flounder within 10 minutes behind closed doors. In short, Kea smells like a sea ogre.

    [IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/2nbhjds.jpg[/IMG]

    • Noah Miller

      Apparently she might just be less than sane. She posted something rambling on exscn about having once been Hubbards son.

      http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?15206-How-I-got-kicked-out-from-Sea-Org-TWICE!/page2

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I was just about to edit and add “or delusional” after idiotic. But thanks for that info.

        So the most ethical people on the planet are manipulating a mentally challenged mother to harrass and threaten a grieving and roaring mother?

        Yeah, that’s brilliant, Miscavige.

        • Observer

          It’s his ecclesiastical right as head of the “religion” of The Most Ethical People on the Planet! What are you, some kind of religious bigot?!

          • Noah Miller

            Yes. I probably am.

            • Observer

              It was a trick question. Scientology isn’t a religion–it’s a fraudulent business masquerading as one, so it is impossible for anyone to be a religious bigot toward Scientology. Haha!

            • George Layton

              How about a fraudulent business bigot?

            • FistOfXenu

              You forgot “pyramid scheme”. ๐Ÿ˜›

            • Zana

              Right on.

        • phronsie
          • phronsie

            Damn, I give up.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            [IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/717b4z.jpg[/IMG]

        • phronsie

          Trying this again to remove double pic:

          Shouldn’t that be:

          http://msutoday.msu.edu/_/img/assets/2008/photo-of-hyenas-attacking-lion.jpg

          • Captain Howdy

            That lion is lucky she’s a female. Otherwise it would have been ‘Ball less in Botswana” after that encounter. You can see the 2 in the back looking for some testes. Hyenas have jaws of steel.

      • Captain Howdy

        She sounds more like Barbara Schwarz’s daughter.

        • Noah Miller

          I had to google that. And hot damn if I’m not glad I did. There goes my morning.

        • FistOfXenu

          There’s a name I haven’t seen in a long time.

          • juliusstahl

            Isn’t Barbara Schwartz Marty Rathbun’s girlfriend?

            • Captain Howdy

              Yes, but according to Barbara the “Marty” in TX.. is a CoS clone.

            • Noah Miller

              So was Nibs. Which means that Kea was a clone of hubbard in her past life. Awesome.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Ah man…I gotta go get me a babs fix now.

      • 1subgenius

        And yet just because someone’s insane doesn’t mean that everything they say or do is.
        And what drove her insane?

        • Noah Miller

          I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying that it’s impossible to trust what she says in any way because the true things are surrounded by crazy things. And in any dealings with the church the true things will sound crazy too.

          • Robert Eckert

            You can reply to comments before they appear!

            • Noah Miller

              It’s all over the place.

        • Noah Miller

          I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying that it’s impossible to trust what she says in any way because the true things are surrounded by crazy things. And in any dealings with the church the true things will sound crazy too.

          • 1subgenius

            Mine was a general comment. Not directed at yours.

            • Noah Miller

              Cool cool.

  • Pepsicat

    These stories are getting curiouser and curiouser….

    • Minion Gayle

      I’m not sure that even begins to cover it. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Bradley Greenwood

    I think a camera would have been less noticeable than a tampon. Did she go about pointing it at people? I hate it when women do that!

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Not my usual style of thinking nor posting comments but I couldn’t resist:
      She wanted intimate proof that $cientology f**ks over Sea Org members!

    • FistOfXenu

      I’m trying real hard to avoid obvious comments about ways to use a tampon camera. Real hard. Strange ways of walking, carrying a tampon in your hand with your cell phone, slouching suggestively in a chair when ever you sit down. And all the time making sure not to use the wrong one.

      Serious point. The more I think about the items on that shopping list of I Wanna Be A Spy (TM) gear the more phony it sounds. It’s more like an episode of Get Smart if anybody here remembers that show.

      • Missionary Kid

        I think the tampon was just where she hid the camera so she could pull it out and use it.

        • FistOfXenu

          I know, but the silliness of it is too good to miss. For me anyway. I really can’t take this seriously as anything except some kind of operation by an agent provocateur gone public to try and entrap critics. So I have to laugh about it.

          • Missionary Kid

            That’s a good perspective.

        • Truthiwant

          Pull it out from where?

          • FistOfXenu

            Yup. It can’t be when she’s wearing it though that’s where the laughs would be so she has to be carrying it. In all my years I never saw a woman take out a tampon and carry it around in her hand in public. How do you do that without attracting attention?

            • Truthiwant

              I knew an eccentric lady that had a collection of teddy bears and every year she invited people around for her favourite bear’s birthday. Everybody had to bring a present for the sweet little teddy bear. One person made a pair of miniature skis but my American friend didn’t know what to give her so he took the filters off some cigarettes, put them in a miniature box and said they were tampons for teddy bears!

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s priceless. I’m having a hard time typing because I’m laughing so hard.

            • Jgg2012

              hmmm. Wondering if their isn’t an ulterior motive for the gifts. Reminds me of the time Soupy Sales asked his viewers to mail him pictures of dead presidents their parents had. Was he using them for a history lesson..

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s one I hadn’t heard about Soupy, rest his soul. I checked http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/soupy1.asp He only got a few dollars and a lot of momopoly and play money.

            • FistOfXenu

              1 of my little cousins fell for this and sent $13. Got caught the next day trying to get some more. We laughed ourselves silly when we heard.

            • Missionary Kid

              Shel Silverstein’s ABZ book is a classic, and a similar stunt – but it’s obviously bogus.

              M M is for Money. Don’t mommy and daddy fight about money a lot? If you want to help mommy and daddy get along, go to mommy’s purse and daddy’s wallet when they’re asleep, and take the money out and send it to poor, poor uncle Shel, at P.O. Box (bogus address follows).

              The rest of the book has similar advice. E E is for Egg. Aren’t eggs yucky and runny?
              E is also for Edgar. Edgar is a giant who lives in the ceiling. Edgar loves eggs. If you want to make Edgar happy, you take an egg and toss it as high as you can, and Edgar will reach down and catch it….

            • Jgg2012

              Soupy was suspended for a week for that, but Davey gets millionsng happens to him. Oh, and not one penny of our tax dollars went to Soupy’s salary.

            • Zana

              I worked with Soupy on a long-lost pilot. Great guy. What a funny joke. Sounds like something Tom Leher would have fun with.

            • ThetaBara

              I think they just meant to get it into the building, guys.

              Hiding stuff in a tampon is rather brilliant, really, because if a man is searching you he very likely doesn’t even want to touch the outside of a packageof anythingthat has to do with ladyparts!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I was thinking the same thing. But then FOX kept asking his questions, and damn it, I actually spent 5 minutes Thinking about this. I’ll never get it back. But I did remember something…

              Public and staff would often be seen carrying a roll of toilet paper. I’ve bored you too many times with the fact that scientology is So cheap, there’s never enough, and usually no toilet paper in the bathrooms. So both public and staff would have to bring their own. For female staff, tampons were a Luxury! So one could easily walk around with one inside a toilet paper roll in plain sight and then use it as a bribe to get access or information or something.

              Damn, I got sucked in, didn’t I?

            • ThetaBara

              Heh, sorry! That is a good point, though. I’d forgotten about the TP. The more I read about this the more I think it is OSA influencing this poor unbalanced lady to try to hassle critics and exes.
              Bastards.

            • Zana

              “Good Grief!” about the toilet paper. Mind boggling.

              Yes… this looks like a stupid, bungled attempt. And it just goes to show the level of intelligence that is left in the church.

            • FistOfXenu

              Sorry I distracted you THDNE. If it helps any you can have 5 of my minutes.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks..I left you some glasses somewhere in this thread, if you can find them.

          • Missionary Kid

            Ooooh, a smartass. That’ll teach me to be more specific. Pull it out of the tampon in the box. There, is that better? ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • FistOfXenu

              I can’t wait for the women to weigh in on this and tell us we’re all being ridiculous or something. “Of course I carry a tampon in my hand especially since I gave up smoking. I even wave it around like it was a cigarette! I could use a tampon camera and nobody’d ever guess” Or maybe they won’t.

            • Missionary Kid

              Their reaction is probably, “Silly men.”

            • FistOfXenu

              Yup. I’m just waiting to see how they say it. I figure BTN and PI and a few others’ll spend as much time laughing at us for being so dumb. When I told my wife about all this just now she rolled her eyes and said “but I bet a man invented the thing”

            • Missionary Kid

              She’s got your number. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • FistOfXenu

              She’s got the number of our whole half of the human race. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Missionary Kid

              And she still sticks with you? You must have SOME redeeming qualities. ;D

            • FistOfXenu

              She’s adventurous. 40+ yrs later she’s still looking for them.

            • Missionary Kid

              To me, that means either she’s slow or she doesn’t want to waste the time breaking in someone new. I favor the latter.

            • FistOfXenu

              It’s the only explanation that makes sense.

            • stateofcircle

              As a card carrying woman, I can say that I do not wave tampons around. They are kept in a discreet, zipped pouch in my bag, and when one is required, the tampon is transported via said zipped pouch in said bag, where, in the privacy of a stall, it is taken out, or if I don’t take the bag, I hide it in my hand or in my shirt until I arrive at the stall.

              I hope that clears things up for you, gentlemen.

            • FistOfXenu

              This is what I expected. At least it’s what I expected after you all got finished either mocking us or smacking us around the head with a hand bag.

            • RMycroft

              So… They don’t click and have a flash, right?

            • McKleana

              Long-time lurker who can’t resist: A woman in the office is walking around with a tampon behind her ear. Finally, someone gets up the courage to tell her, “You have a tampon behind your ear.” She reaches up, gets it, looks at it for a second, and then says, “… I wonder where I put my pencil.”

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Oh…based on this joke….consider yourself warmly welcomed to the bunker noise makers.

            • Truthiwant

              The word Tampon today has really caught the attention of the public!

            • McKleana

              Thanks all. Anytime the Bunker needs a tampon joke…

            • Truthiwant

              Good one Mc. I think you have cracked the whole case here. That’s where a woman keeps her tampon and OSA would never even think that it hid a secret camera.

            • FistOfXenu

              If that’s your 1st post it’s a corker. Welcome. You’ll fit right in here. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Truthiwant

              I second that!

            • DeElizabethan

              I think she only had it in her purse for security if they looked in it, and occasionally may have taken it out while on way to women’s room, that’s all. I don’t believe most of it anyway.

        • Bradley Greenwood

          So THAT’s was the string was for!

          • Missionary Kid

            I think you’ll have to deal with FistOfXenu’s better half with that joke. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • FistOfXenu

            So NOT the remote shutter cable?

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Agent 86? Is that you? Sshhh… don’t answer that! Agent 99 here.

        From epsidode called “School Days” – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbeLLhEsht4

        Scene:

        Agent 86 knocks on door. Older woman opens it.

        Agent 86 says password: “When the moon is full, the tide is high.”

        Older woman: “Oh you must want the spy school. It’s next door.”

        • Missionary Kid

          This may not be the greatest topic, but I’ve gotten great laughs out of it. Yours was the second this morning. I had to wait 30 seconds before I could type.

    • Bradley Greenwood

      Upon reflection, I want to assure everyone my comments are not, in any way, intended to be misogynistic. I am one man in a household of women, so these subjects are routine.

    • Zana

      Hilarious. Still laughing.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        I appreciate that. When I retired, I lost my captive audience of high school seniors. I was well-liked by them because of my humor. That humor is being sorely tested by being forced to retire fifteen years early, because of cancer complications.

        I enjoy the interplay the readers of this blog engage in. I try to not be verbose, but sometimes I will ramble. Most of what we discuss is on-topic, but as you have seen we can go far afield. I appreciate Tony O tolerating our frat-house atmosphere that is a direct result of dealing with a very serious issue: psychological, physical, and financial abuse by the most dangerous cult in the United States.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I can picture Yuliya going into a tech store and picking up all that stuff for a few hundred dollars. I further picture her using one of the espionage tools in front of a cult member who would be thinking, “Hey, I picked one of those up last week at the Future Shop as a toy for my 8 year old”. There goes the best laid plans.

    Well, did she get anything truly horrible? During my tenure, Scientologists were forever dealing in fraud, not just Hubbard fraud, but things they made up to make a sale. A pocket tape recorder would have picked that up.

    Also, is there a chance in the world that Yuliya is the only spy? A minimum wage worker could afford that stuff. There could be a hundred others right now doing the exact same thing.

    I have sympathy for Yuliya. The laws about this sort of thing differ markedly from country to country. I suspect that the USA has among the strongest privacy laws (if that is what we are dealing with). I think of the university professors videoed to look ridiculous then put up on youtube, the journalists who have gone in with hidden cameras, and the Scientologists themselves with cameras all around their properties. After years of a person’s life are taken away, or tens of thousands of dollars are spent on false wisdom, a junior G-Man spy kit doesn’t seem so onerous. It is important to take the high road, and Yuliya, sadly, didn’t but I hope things go very well for her as this situation sorts out.

  • HeatherGraceful

    I hope things work out okay forYuliya and for “Luigi”.

    As for Karen, she’s no fool and OSA are stupid to try and take her on! Good work, Karen!

  • phronsie

    I’ve read up about scientology through the media sporadically through the years, with increasing and profound dismay, and only recently delved even deeper because of the Anonymous spotlight (way to go, guys!), so I guess it’s to be expected that I find this tale deeply bizarre whichever way you spin it. My first response was that this sounds like a scientology double-bluff, though I don’t know why they would endorse or put forward a story that includes their imprisonment and interrogation of a woman (maybe they feel bullet-proof against prosecution and want to utilize the intimidation factor on readers?). My second assessment, and perhaps the more rational (utilizing Occam’s Razor?) thought is that she’s mentally disturbed. But I’m leaning more towards the first reaction, mostly because it’s more spicy! LOL Well, and not really all that unbelievable from what I’ve read of scientology….

    • Observer

      That’s the thing with Scientology: it’s always worse than you think, so it’s entirely plausible that this could be an op they’re running. If it is, they were obviously trying to trap Tony and Mark Bunker and decided to throw bogus charges at Karen to see if anything would stick. If Yuliya is just the broken, unstable person she appears to be, then their exploitation of her and the no doubt crushing pressure they put on her to point the finger at others, even falsely, is even worse than it looks at first glance.

      • phronsie

        From what I’ve read, this cult is losing large numbers and failing to recruit replacements, which gives hope that it will die away, but then I hear reference to the vast stock pile of funds they have stashed away and it seems that the only way to really hurt them is if fraud and abuse charges start sticking and they have to pay out huge claims. How cool if they were required to send out some significant fund to all their members, current and past, which apparently includes just about anyone who ever even held a pamphlet for a minute!

      • Truthiwant

        Tinker Tailor Scientologist Spy. John le Carrรฉ’s new bestseller.

        • Truthiwant

          Or The Scientologist Who Came In From The Cold.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Or Tom Clancy: The clear who presents danger.

          • ThetaBara

            The Spai Who Bugged Me

            • Truthiwant

              It’s more like The Spy Who Buggered Me

      • stateofcircle

        It would certainly make sense that this could have started as an OSA op to trap critics like Tony and WBM. But all these shenanigans after they said no and her “getting caught” and frenetically posting on ESMB confuses me. Wouldn’t they have stopped after the potential victims of this charade didn’t want to be involved? Obviously illogical, evil and stupid Scientology is illogical, evil and stupid, so who knows what, if anything, they were or are up to. Or maybe they thought they could rope people like Karen into this if they kept taking it further, but without any evidence, that would be supremely stupid (I know, I know), and given their astonishing track record of PR footbullets and infamous harassment of critics, it wouldn’t benefit them from a PR perspective, as they try to discredit people like Karen all the time to no avail, except to make themselves look worse. Me confoosed.

        • Observer

          Or it could be that this started out as an op but they lost control of Yuliya and it’s now backfiring on them in a big way.

          • Noah Miller

            It seems like that’s closest to the truth. I feel like from what I’ve read she tried to infiltrate and do… something, what I have no idea really. And then they caught her, she was flipped by being told (one of her posts on exscn says this) that they’d get her kids back for her if she lied and brought down a critic or two, she then continued to be unstable while trying to work for them and now it just looks bad for everyone.

          • stateofcircle

            Good point. It sounds to me like she may suffer from something along the lines of Borderline Personality Disorder, and needs to manufacture dramatic situations in which to garner attention and sympathy. After she left or was kicked out of the Sea Org, instead of taking any number of normal next steps with her life, she decided to invent an extreme situation that, she thought, would make critics pay attention to her and, more importantly, view her as important. Once that didn’t work, she created a situation where she thought OSA would view her as valuable. From my experience, that’s pretty classic BPD behavior.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              I think Observer’s, Noah Miller’s, and stateofcircle’s assessments and theories about the situation and the woman have produced a very clear and pure ring from the “truth bell” – until we get more details anyway.
              I have a suspicion this will be a long running story with many twist and turns, and with a great many (innocent) people sucked into the drama.

            • Noah Miller

              Oh yeah this is going to ruin a couple people’s days. And in the end that’s all the church wants to do anyway.

            • grundoon

              +1

    • DamOTclese2

      “…though I don’t know why they would endorse or put forward a story that includes their imprisonment and interrogation of a woman…”

      Because when people send the text allegations to the FBI, the FBI adds the people who sent them the information to their “kook files.” Unfounded claims that are sent to the FBI or other law enforcement entities, or unfounded claims that get passed along to the FBI all result in the FBI opening files on the people who send them the information, and when it pans out as not true, their files are flagged as kooks.

      When Hubbard was sending profoundly insane kook spews to the FBI, they investigated him first, classifying him as “appears mental.” That Federal behavior continues, anyone who makes a report is processed, and false allegations result in the people getting a provisional classification as a a kook, a classification which is tailored as more allegations are sent in by the individual.

      Miscaviage doubtless knows that, and hopes that people will forward the unfounded allegations of kidnapping to the FBI.

      • John P.

        The following is a speculative comment not based on direct knowledge but on an educated guess: Yes, the FBI evaluates complaints and does put ones from non-credible sources into “kook files,” where the sender of the complaint becomes suspect. But in the post-9/11 era, there may be a change occurring that might override the former consignment of complaints to bureaucratic limbo: there has been a lot of emphasis on pattern analysis, trying to tie together disparate data points to look for something interesting happening. For example, thefts of liquid ammonium nitrate fertilizer (a key ingredient in homemade bombs such as the one in Oklahoma City) are monitored by the Feds rather than simply disappearing into local police files on the theory that potential terrorists would try to stay off the radar by stealing many small lots of fertilizer over time. Similarly, emergency room admissions must be reported in near real time when several symptoms are involved, as the government is monitoring potential outbreaks of either naturally occurring or bioterror-related pandemic diseases. More to the point, big city police departments use sophisticated analytics to focus their efforts on fighting crime in general and catching specific criminals in particular.

        So it is entirely possible that even if individual data points turn out to be dumped into the “kook file,” enough reports will eventually trigger the pattern recognition software and they’ll get a closer look. One can always hope.

  • Sherbet

    The use of the verb “confessed” is pretty strong. One would think Soter’s letter would use “admitted,” “alleged,” “indicated” — anything other than the loaded word “confessed.” It smells of Cold War interrogation practices.

    • Noah Miller

      Given what I’ve read from her, she probably confessed loudly, without provocation. And demanded to be sec checked. The more of her writing I read the more I feel bad for everyone involved, her, the other critics she blames (and also says had nothing to do with it), and even the church. It’s just a dumb situation from someone who convinced themselves they were doing good.

  • Marc

    INB4 “Kea is OSA”

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Um, “Kea is Nutter!”

      • RMycroft

        The two aren’t exclusive. CoS has used nutters in the past. They have such wonderful deniability. (“That overwhelming tidal wave of FOIA requests to locate info on LRH? Oh no, that wasn’t us, that was some crazy woman. She even sued us!”)

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Agreed.

          But one should not play with loose cannons….You can shoot your eye out that way!

        • jensting

          The nutter who hit me in East Grinstead was apprehended clutching a new-looking six-pack of beer. Years later, an OSA creep (who could have been David Gaiman himself, not sure) sidled up to and mumbled at a fellow protester that a “guy with a can of guiness” was looking for us.

          How we laughed.

          • RMycroft

            And by “new-looking six-pack”, you mean that they still had beer in them, right?

  • ze moo

    If this isn’t a false flag operation, it is now. Why didn’t she involve the police when she ‘escaped’? That is the question. The CO$ can now use this ‘infiltration’ as an excuse to try to invade computers and privacy of anyone they claim Yuliya contacted. The could easily get a stupid judge to go along with procedures to reclaim their stolen ‘scriptures’. forcing anyone to get a lawyer and spend lots of money fighting them.

    Given the record, little can come of this, Anons can publish any docs they receive and the clams will claim they are made up or get lawyers involved to silence anyone. I do hope to see the docs someday, I’ll just exercise my judgement in whether to believe them or not. That is what Yuliya has done, thrown suspicion on any new docs.

    Hummmm, a clam doesn’t know her son is living in a car and doing heroin. This is what happens when everything takes a backseat to ‘clearing the planet’..That he was sent to a NarCONon is just a convenient excuse if he doesn’t survive the experience.

  • stateofcircle

    To what degree, if any, are comments and statements on message boards and blogs admissible in a US court? I am just wondering if her statements about being held, interrogated, taking unauthorized pictures and videos, as well as the statements about her children/custody situation, and the comments of others – many others, some of whom indicated they know her on some level – indicating she is unhinged and has a sordid past, can hold any weight for either side in an investigation or court.

    Like many others, a lot of things don’t add up yet for me. First and foremost is that there is not one iota of her alleged evidence anywhere to be found. Even if most people didn’t want to touch it, I find it hard to believe it would be nowhere to be found. I don’t really think it’s an OSA op, as I doubt they would allow her to use words like “interrogate” and “held” in a hotel room. While she did spew some OSA-like vomit “I was never abused, I didn’t witness any abuse”, I think that may be more her trying to save her ass a little. And if OSA thought sticking her on ESMB would render some sort of results for them, they have reached a whole new level of stupid. When this whole thing started on ESMB, I, like most over there, was scratching my head. what confused me is the fact that OSA monitors that board, and her weird confessions and subsequent pleas for forgiveness and warnings about OSA were something I just didn’t know what to make of. I still don’t.

    I also wonder, since she so frequently mentions possibly going to prison, can they really send her to jail over this? Further, if none of these alleged docs, pictures and videos ever see the light of day, would the church really waste more time and resources taking her to court?

  • Phil McKraken

    Am I the only one wondering just what on Earth the tampon camera is supposed to be taking pictures of?

    • Observer

      No.

    • Missionary Kid

      My guess is that she had it hidden in a box of tampons, not that it would be used inside one.

      • Robert Eckert

        You’re a terrible spoilsport, but you know that, don’t you?

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup. I just hate to see us wasting our thoughts on a silly side issue.

          • FistOfXenu

            Understandable MK. But you gotta admit there’s serious amusement in picturing her walking around an org trying to look casual about waving a tampon around.

            • Espiando

              I hate to say this, but there could be a reason behind this. What’s the biggest unforgivable sin for a woman in the Sea Org? To get pregnant. What’s proof positive that a woman isn’t pregnant? The need to use a tampon. Waving a tampon around may have helped in this instance.

    • media_lush

      shoes?

    • Captain Howdy

      Top of Miscavige’s head?

      • FistOfXenu

        Winner.

    • Zana

      LOL!

  • SciWatcher

    This sounds like a similar scheme to the one where they tried to set up Paulette Cooper for making bomb threats against them.

    • FistOfXenu

      Exactly!

  • EnthralledObserver

    Cheers for Karen… you go girl! You, Karen, are smarter than those evil, dirty swine who have foolishly crossed a mother’s path… I am a mother of five, and you have my backing, even if it is from afar and moral support is all I can offer.
    ๐Ÿ˜€

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Its been awhile since I last posted… mostly due to $cion watching burnout and RL time demands. But, none-the-less I do read and enjoy Tony’s posts and the Bunker gallery. For the first time ever I am going to disagree with Tony’s lead. I think it needed a bit more time in the oven before serving.

    I just spent nearly two hours looking at her original posts on ESMB and the ensuing thread and tooled around the Freezone where our mystery gal was posting her amends in 2010 (as well as some of her older postings on ESMB). She is clearly disturbed and needs counseling. Of course, anything we can do to shine a light on OSA’s dirty tricks is great–no doubt about that! Other than the crazy threat letter to poor Karen, however, we don’t know much in the way of facts or what the backstory of Yuliya is. To me, she is unhinged, clearly in trouble, and out of her league. She was still posting about it all (quite oddly) up until a day or so ago.

    This just doesn’t feel like the kind of article worthy of our Tony. To me, he is a future Pulitzer winner with a body of work that speaks for itself. I think this should have remained on ESMB until we know a few more facts or until the story is a bit more solid. We can speculate until the cows come home (now who was it that had that cow cult thang goin’?); I just feel it was premature articulation.

    I do, however, have great empathy with the young lad in trouble and shudder at the thought of an addict being force-fed more $cientology. I commend Karen for taking action, taking the higher ground. I do so hope this ends well for him. Karen is a fighter–I hope Luigi is too.

    • Noah Miller

      I think the information is worth posting, it’s an update really that just lets us know that something of note is occurring. And given the lawyer response that Sci is going with it’s a good idea to be clear and in front of the whole thing anyway.

    • John P.

      I can understand your point — it does appear that Yulia is not in the best of mental health. Regardless of the deep backstory (what her experience with the cult was before this infiltration attempt) and regardless of what actually transpired in this somewhat bizarre seeming spy mission, I would suggest that the story became newsworthy and appropriate for immediate publication at the moment the cult threatened Karen with legal action.

      That the cult would threaten legal action on flimsy evidence that may have been provided by someone with questionable mental status is remarkable. They’ve been slipping badly in their legal prowess of late, but this seems almost beyond the pale. If Tony had merely posted a “think piece” analyzing the ESMB thread without the threat to Karen, I would agree that such a story would not be up to the professional journalistic standards that Tony consistently follows. But when a catalyst like this bizarre infiltration attempt leads to a response by the cult, particularly when lawyers get involved, I think a story reporting what actually happened is entirely appropriate.

      Incidentally, I loved the term “premature articulation.” Almost got coffee all over the mighty workstation of capitalism when I read that.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        I concede that you have some points John P. I am harkened back to Paulette Cooper and the tsouris that might have been saved had the Internet been full steam and a chronology of the dirty tricks were exposed real time. Another day or two baking and a bit more on Yuliya, I thought, could have made the point stronger. The fact that her cheese might not be solidly planted on the cracker just makes me uneasy to see a blog featuring her at this point in the story. You said, “I think a story reporting what actually happened is entirely appropriate.” No argument there. We just don’t know what actually happened other than the letter from Co$. We don’t even know if an infiltration took place. What we do know is that Karen is being fair gamed–so yes, I will take my original thought back–and am glad a light is shining on it.

      • DamOTclese2

        “..it does appear that Yulia is not in the best of mental health.”

        LOL. Few of us are. ๐Ÿ™‚ But that brings up another point. Miscaviage is claiming that “she sang like a canary and she identified you, so you had better hand over any evidence of our criminal activities you might have in your possession before it’s too late!” smells like the desperate act of a crime boss who is deeply worried about what people know.

    • Spackle Motion

      Initially I agreed with you and I was a little disappointed that Tony gave this story any legitimacy, but JP is correct below that the minute attorneys became involved the story grew a few teeth.

      ESMB is a ripe spot for OSA ops and they seem to pop up every few months with a new poster making wildly ridiculous claims. And any type of questioning from the peanut gallery usually gets derision from others that are trying to provide love and acceptance to all. So this makes a ripe spot for OSA ops to gain legitimacy among the ex-crowd. This kind of wild story on WWP always gets a “dox or GTFO” response. There is very little tolerance for unsubstantiated claims.

      • FistOfXenu

        I read that last bit and my 1st thought was “unsubstantiated CLAMS”

        I really need new glasses!

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s just as true.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Did you say you need Clam Glasses?

          (I really need a hearing aid!)

          [IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/2yozxuv.jpg[/IMG]

          • FistOfXenu

            Those might help. Does it come in brown too?

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Deck, I never said this story was not legit. Please see my response to JohnP, below. I haven’t read all of the comments, but I suppose everyone has read ESMB by now and knows that there are at least 3 other similar email letters from the attorney to other peeps out there. Also, Y was posting in the last few days clearly without legal advice and is all over the place with the story–I’m glad Tony confirmed she has representation now. My only thought was to get a few more facts and make the story meatier so that OSA iand its attorney are nailed for the stupid fishing expedition it is on. Also, I’m sure there are some Bar guidelines that prevent unfounded harassment…

        • Gerard Plourde

          “I’m sure there are some Bar guidelines that prevent unfounded harassment…”

          Soter’s letter would probably pass the admittedly low standard to avoid sanction. He states that he’s relying on information provided to him by the alleged perpetrator and isn’t threatening any specific action should Karen not comply.

    • ze moo

      Hindus aren’t the only ones to worship cows.

  • Pete Griffiths

    I know they have spied on me and continue to do so. Finding the evidence is the tricky part. And of course convincing the authorities that they are neither a church nor a religion but a subversive criminal organisation bent on overthrowing society including all earth governments without sounding like you are the one who is crazy.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Question: How and why is it okay for the CO$ to spy and steal people’s trash/documents, etc… but not okay the other way around?
      Something about this woman sounds fishy… and that’s all the speculation I am qualified to do.

      • Missionary Kid

        It isn’t O.K. The problem is, you have to prove that they did it in court, and that is very difficult for any highly secretive organization.

        They have better security than the mafia, IMO.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Marty and Mike have documented the incidences of cameras pointed at their homes, harrassment by individuals and Mike’s rubbish being handed over. I know it’s not enough for court, but I think it ought to be enough to warrant a raid of the premises by authorities. Surely?

          • Missionary Kid

            If it’s not enough for court, it probably isn’t enough for getting a judge to swear out a warrant.
            As a church, as phony as we think it is, judges are highly reluctant to sign any order to search.

            • EnthralledObserver

              But isn’t that the point of a warrant? To find the evidence that will hold up in court because there isn’t quite enough yet. Why else would anyone bother? I really don’t get the American legal system. Regular citizens get squashed regularly, but big hitters/corporations get a pass… something isn’t right in the land of the free…
              *is frustrated* Can you tell?

            • Missionary Kid

              To get a search warrant, there must be sufficient evidence. Someone’s say so isn’t sufficient, unless they have corroborating evidence. The police are sure to investigate her before they go in front of a judge and swear that they have reasonable cause for a search warrant. They’re no going to go in front of a judge and say, “We have a nut case that says…”

              As to other criminal acts, the problem with Marty & Mike is that they probably have enough information to give the government, but they were a part of the whole series of cover-ups, and I don’t think that they want to entangle themselves in anything that will also point to their part in criminal activities.

            • Gerard Plourde

              The standard for obtaining a warrant is probable cause to believe that evidence of a crime exists in the location to be searched. Hearsay can be used to support the motion. Admissibility at trial is a separate issue.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks for the correction. In this specific case of supposed kidnapping, what evidence could be gained by a warrant, especially with all of the $cions lined up to deny that any such crime took place.

              For the rest of the Co$ crimes, It will take a defector who has knowledge of where and who has documents, as well as evidence of a crime to get a raid to take place. Let’s hope for the best. Mike and Marty are reluctant to come forward, but that’s probably because there’s a mutual assured destruction type of scenario that keeps their silence.

          • Spackle Motion

            Those actions, by themselves, are not illegal. Taking someone’s trash that is on a public easement is not theft, and paying or bamboozling others to film you in a public or open space is not illegal either, unless the neighbor they bamboozle is sued or can prove misrepresentation for an illegal purpose. Each of these actions are not going to gain a local prosecutor’s attention unless it is tied to something else, like a restraining order or stalking charges.

            It takes money and time to poke a stick at the hornet’s nest and get a restraining order, and it may be very difficult to get one against a corporate entity. If you get them on individuals, the cult can always buy more PIs or get more of their slaves.

        • Zana

          So why did it take them a month and a half to find this woman?

          • Missionary Kid

            I was talking about the ability of Co$ security to keep authorities out. I should have been clearer. They’ve got clambots willing to burn and purge files or move them or deny their existence under oath.

            They probably had this poor woman’s number way before they nailed her, and probably strung her along. That part is conjecture.

    • aquaclara

      …along with finding the authorities that haven’t been unduly influenced by the cult as well. No one would believe half this stuff if there weren’t so many testimonies, videos, books and news reports coming out.

  • FistOfXenu

    I see every body else has the same questions about this woman I do. Sure looks to me like either she’s running an op for the cult or else she’s slipped her moorings and her rowboat’s adrift. If it’s the 1st 1 then is she doing it to create some artificial public good will or to create a smear against critics like Karen and anybody else this woman lies about? Or both? If it’s the 2nd 1 was she already delusional or did $cientarCONon break her mind?

    The only thing I’m pretty sure of is I don’t believe this what it’s supposed to look like to us.

    • q-bird

      seems like any way you slice or dice it, this Kea/Lillia/Yulia person is not only lost at sea, but heavy foul nasty weather is in her forecast – that is to say, she is royally f***ed.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Thanks for reporting on this matter of “Lia Kea” aka Yuliya Keaton et al…. Here is a more accurate and up=to-date-photo of her
    https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-prn1/s320x320/14256_116539038506165_927319938_n.jpg
    Seems she was posting on Facebook under “Lia Kea” (Lilia Keanova) since last November. Ran a couple of pages there, too. Of course those pages are taken down but I found the cached versions…. Here is her profile, replete with support of Scientology groups… I suppose this was her cover profile….before she infiltrated ASHO.
    http://tinyurl.com/l9fooel

    • aquaclara

      Thanks, Mary. Her profile is certainly clam-like. Does anyone else think it’s more than a little odd that she has so many names in use? I’m counting at least six so far….

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Lol, she has 3 music likes, one is “Jo Jo Zawawi”. Okay, that confirms it. Change my last “appears mental” to “Mental”.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Lol.. Lia Kea is busted..

  • George Layton

    I’m a little curious about why she isn’t on this site posting, as well as the others.

    • Noah Miller

      She had enough people on exscn yelling at her to stop posting for her own good and get a lawyer that she probably got the message eventually.

    • Jim Buchan

      I was curious why she was posting on the other board. If the whackos caught her and interrogated her wouldn’t they tell her that if she opens her mouth they will sue her (or make things worse)? fishing exhibition

  • Skwerl King

    How is not locking a person up in a room and bringing them back to the room against their will not kidnapping?

    • Missionary Kid

      You have to prove it.

      • Skwerl King

        Well, yes, and that’s why you keep recording and struggle when “recaptured”.

        • Missionary Kid

          So how are you going to prove it when they take away all of your recording equipment and have a room-full of people willing to swear out affidavits that counter yours?

      • Jim Buchan

        but if reported has to be investigated.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yes, but it doesn’t do much good when there’s a flock of $cions ready to swear that you’re nuts and that can bring out nutty posts you’ve made on the ‘net. The police will be pissed you wasted their time.

    • DamOTclese2

      What would make the claimant more legitimate is if she would file criminal charges with the FBI. Apparently she did not even bother reporting her own kidnapping which adds to the supposition that it’s Miacaviage’s lies.

      • SP ‘Onage

        That’s what I was thinking or at least call the cops. This smells like OSA!

    • RMycroft

      They get retroactive permission when the person signs a taped confession with their lawyer present.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Kudos to Karen De la Carriere!!Thank you for that excellent video…. From my experience with complaints about Narconon, “Luigi” was most likely kicked out of the program for badmouthing Scientology or pointing people to the internet about the connection and the deaths. This is very common at Narconon. They don’t want anyone hostile to scientology on the premises. He could also have obtained drugs while there and tested positive, as happens sometimes, but the only way drugs get into the facility in the first place is that the facility failed to prevent it. In any event, I am glad he’s out of there and I wish him well.

    Should he need any assistance in his continued recovery process, you know how to contact me, Karen. Your video is daming. I am sorry the cult and Yulia targeted you and others.

  • Jim Buchan

    nonsensical. Read the whole post from ex-scientology….seems to be a scam of some sort.

  • BosonStark

    Scientology’s limited meat market in the future may be in schizophrenics, because they’ll be the only ones unable to interpret the writing on the wall (Internet) about the Scientology scam. It’s going to be hard, because they don’t usually have much money.

    However, I can’t see schizophrenics doing anything other than causing a heap of trouble in the Sea Org. Reading some of this woman’s ESMB posts, I was wondering if she were ever in the Sea Org, but I guess she had to be if CoS got involved sending out these threat letters. And she was in twice no less.

    It’s sad but probably some Sea Org members develop schizophrenia while in the Sea Org, and how could you tell? It seems to me that the telling sign would be if the Sea Org member was having not only the delusions of L. Ron Hubbard — standard Sea Org fare — but also their own delusions. A problem would arise in detection if for some reason this person kept framing their own delusions in terminology used in the cult.

    In Scientology, there is room only enough for one person’s delusions — those of L. Ron Hubbard — and it is up to every loyal member to work on his case, which will help them get real “wins” in their lives too, if their status is high enough in the IAS.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ll disagree on only one minor point.
      The second person’s delusions allowed are those of Davey Dipshit.

      • BosonStark

        Except for a few minor quantum fluctuations and an occasional glitch in his flux capacitor, Mr. Miscavige’s delusions are completely on Source with salvage for this sector of the galaxy.

        • Missionary Kid

          ๐Ÿ˜€

    • stateofcircle

      I said this below, but it’s relevant to your post. Kea/Lillia/Yulia’s behaviors seem to be indicative of Borderline Personality Disorder rather than Schizophrenia (I explained this a little further down below, so I won’t be even more redundant repeating it here ๐Ÿ™‚ ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder

      Either way, as others have expressed, there is no doubt that she needs professional help and, most likely, medication. That is the only way she will ever be able to be a good, let alone functional, mother to her children.

      If Scientology starts becoming populated with people suffering from Schizophrenia, BPD, Manic Depression and other major mental illnesses, that would spell the end for them very quickly. Scientology has absolutely no business or capability to treat people with very real and very complex mental health afflictions, and a lot of people will get very hurt, which they won’t be able to sweep under the rug for very long. I know Psychiatry may not offer all of the answers, and it is certainly not an easy road, but Scientology not only has no answers, but even more pain and suffering. Having a mother and other family members with major depressive disorders, I am intimately aware of how delicate, intricate and serious it is, and if it wouldn’t cause people even more pain and suffering and create dangerous situations, I would be all for the cult granting admission to these individuals because it will surely perish, but I don’t want anyone, especially people who have been through enough and continuously struggle with mental illness, to be taken advantage of or get hurt. The ends just don’t justify the means, and that is one of the biggest differences between actual human beings and Sciloons…as long as they get what they want, it doesn’t matter how they got it.

      This is one of the many reasons why they will never even make a dent with their crusade against Psychiatry nor build a reputation for actually helping people. And this is why they stay away from even allowing people with anything more than a small history of psychiatric care into their ranks. They can’t help them. Not even a little. The only thing they can do is make them worse, which is what they are doing to Yuliya, or worse, like Lisa McPherson.

      • BosonStark

        Her belief that she is Quentin Hubbard points to a form of schizophrenia. That goes beyond BPD. Also, Lliira explained in a post about enhanced pattern-finding abilities, which I believe attracts some people with mild schizophrenia to Scientology. The 10% of the mentally ill in Scientology are mostly depressives though.

        Also, I was being sarcastic, about Scientology’s future market being the mentally ill.

        • stateofcircle

          I know you were being sarcastic, silly :). your comment just happened to illicit a few thoughts of my own, and, even though you were being sarcastic, the subject of mental illness and the church is important and relevant in my opinion.
          I think that Yulia is suffering from a battery of psychological issues, which will only be exacerbated further the more time she spends in the cult and away from actual professional help.

        • ze moo

          Yulia drank the kool-aid and believes in past lives. The past life you pick (or invent) says a lot about your mental state at that time. Delusions by them selves do not point to schizophrenia, many severe forms of mental illness have a delusional component.

          The clams will focus on people getting disability checks when the whales run dry and there are no more public clams. I can see ‘ideal flop houses’ for people willing to sign over their ssd check. There won’t be an RPF for such folks though, just a ticket to soylent green.

      • grundoon

        stateofcircle, I think you got it right.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I always read your posts, especially the long ones. Thank you.

    • Schizophrenics are no less able to tell truth from bullshit than anyone else. They are often highly intelligent and fully able to think critically. One of the problems with schizophrenics seems to be that their critical thinking and pattern-fining apparatuses are in overdrive. There are different kinds of schizophrenia, but I’d guess a paranoid schizophrenic in particular (which is what people usually mean by “schizophrenia”) would smell the shit a mile away. Someone who thinks people are out to get them isn’t going to want to belong to a cult that really is out to get people. Also, schizophrenia is a genetic disorder that normally emerges in late adolescence or young adulthood. It cannot be created.

      The disordered thinking of people in Scientology is not an indication that they have mental disorders. Rather, it’s an indication that they have been immersed in a culture that creates disordered thinking. Within the cult, the thinking is not necessarily even disordered, because it serves its cultural purpose. Unlike with mental disorders, the vast majority of people who leave Scientology start thinking in a way that works with our culture outside pretty quickly and without needing medication or even counseling to get there. While they might retain some suboptimal thinking (like the dryer sheets thing), they can function just fine.

      I think people like to ascribe mental and personality disorders to people in cults because that makes them think they’re safe. “I’m not crazy, so I’d never fall for it.” Anyone can fall for the right con, and people who are confident that they’d always be able to see through a con are the best marks.

      From all the reading I’ve done over the years, I think this is what cults look for in a mark:
      1) People with money. First and foremost, before and beyond anything else.
      2) People with a lot of empathy and intelligence. Cults appeal to these people’s desire to save the world. Plus, smart people will do half your work for you, especially if they’re the kind of smart person who is able to argue anything and has always prided themselves on being smarter than others.
      3) People who are at loose ends, hurting, searching for something. For instance, if a young person has just been through their first big break-up, and they’re reeling from that, that’s the perfect time to pounce.
      4) (And this is vital) People who don’t know they’re getting involved in a cult. No one wakes up and says, “today, I want to join a cult!” Scientology has lots of ways of gradually seducing people so that by the time they know they’re in Scientology, they’re more willing to accept it, because they’ve had good experiences with these people before.

      • Captain Howdy

        “Anyone can fall for the right con”

        I tried three card monte once, even though I suspected it was a con. I never played three card monte again. I got beat buying drugs off the street once or twice back in the early days. I never bought drugs off the street again. If you get schooled right early on you learn most everything is a con on some level.

        Some people learn the easy way, some people learn the hard way, some people never learn at all.

  • Monica Pignotti

    This is the same person who emailed me repeatedly back in 2009, claiming to have been Quentin Hubbard in a past life. She also made some postings to ESMB about this, under the name Russian Girl, which later she deleted after she was met with skepticism.

    • Missionary Kid

      It makes me think that her original culture is Russian, she got trapped in the mindfuck of Clamland, and, from that experience, is unhinged.

      • Monica Pignotti

        Yes, she did claim to be from Russia.

        • Missionary Kid

          That gets her a lot of sympathy from me. I can only wish her the best, but any contact with Co$ can, IMO, make anybody nuts.

          • Monica Pignotti

            In her case, I think it was the other way around. People who were around then said she didn’t make it past the EPF, as she was troubled to begin with. People who are obviously unstable as she appears to be often don’t make it far in the SO.

            • Missionary Kid

              It seems like she’s a sad case. Being isolated, culturally, makes it all the more difficult for her.

            • Gerard Plourde

              But if she’s a true believer would her inability to cut in the Sea Org make her susceptible to taking on an operation to trap Tony and WBM to prove her value to the church? Her lack of direct connection with OSA would be viewed as an asset – it would make her more credible. I’m also willing to believe that she has psychological problems but that OSA might be forced to use a flawed instrument.

            • ze moo

              Clamatology often uses the shotgun offense. By trying many half-assed attempts, one may get through. Natasha Nogoodnick was a better spy.

            • Missionary Kid

              And she had Boris Badinov

            • Espiando

              Actually, Natasha’s last name was Fatale, not Nogoodnick.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. That’s another piece of trivia I will cram into my tiny brain. The name seems appropriate, because she was supposed to be a femme fatale.

            • Monica Pignotti

              That’s a good point. It’s possible. Based on the email exchanges I had with her, she definitely is, or was at least at the time (about 3 years ago) very much a true believer and I did get the impression that her leaving the SO was not her choice. It’s possible they’d use her. It wouldn’t be the first time something like this happened.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Sorry to pester you with my questions but you seem to have inside knowledge of this woman/girl. You also know people who knew her during her EPF days and that “she was troubled to begin with.” Do you know when she was doing her EPF and how far she did go in the SO?

              I’m just fascinated by this story and this person – as you might have guessed. Sorry about what must seem like an interrogation.

              As my friends frequently complain/tease (who no longer want to go to restaurants with me), “You should hear her interrogate the waiters/waitresses about what’s on the menu! She’ll even end up in the damn kitchen continuing her line of questions with the chef and asking to look in the coolers to see how fresh the vegetables are for something as simple as a pizza!!”

          • Truthiwant

            Hmm. Russian. Is she the new Bond girl in the latest in the series “From Clearwater With Love”?

            • Missionary Kid

              It would be appropriate if she truly is nuts.

            • Captain Howdy

              There’s a shoop. Colonel Klebb (with the shoe) with Yuliya’s face

            • stateofcircle

              Teegeeackraker?
              On His Midgetness’s Secret Service?
              You Only Live 1,000,000,000 Times?
              Titanium is Forever?
              The Clam Who Loved Me?
              Quantum of SecCheck?
              For Everybody’s Eyes Only?
              Thetanpussy?
              The Man With The Golden E-Meter?

            • Truthiwant

              Great one. This whole story is a mine field for puns!

            • ThetaBara

              Engrams are Forever!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              A View to a Hill 10.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Do you have a link where she states she is from Russia? Or did you assume that she was based on her username “Russian Girl”?
          Thanks!

          • Captain Howdy

            Her name is “Yuliya” and she looks Russian all day every day.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Just found your message.

              My 3 consecutive, seemingly silly, questions to this first time poster – under this particular username on this particular blog – were not pointless. Sometimes, things are not as they seem.

              Maybe you remember when rearview mirrors had these warnings, “Objects are closer than they appear.”

              You can thank me later.

          • Monica Pignotti

            She mentioned it in her emails to me.

    • ThetaBara

      Isn’t she too young for that?

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      “This is the same person who emailed me repeatedly back in 2009..” You personally know her then. In what capacity if I may ask? Kindly tell us more about her. It would be very helpful for us to know so there would not be all kinds of wild speculation. It could be also be a worrisome situation for some folks, such as Karen and 5 others, so far, who have gotten letters and this info could be helpful to them as well.
      Thanks in advance.
      P.S. I went to ESMB a few minutes ago and her posts claiming to be Quentin are still there. The posts just stopped abruptly when she was asked a pointed question from someone who knew Quentin personally.

      • Monica Pignotti

        No, I don’t personally know her. My only communication with her has been via email and on the internet.

  • DamOTclese2

    Well that is fascinating, however Keaton was given sound advice and decided to ignore it and, well, sounds just a bit unstable, something that is not uncommon among Scientology “survivors,” for lack of a better term for ex-customers who walk away with mental difficulties caused by Scientology’s freakish, destructive practices dreamed up by Hubbard.

    She should have worked with professional infiltrators who have experience doing this, though they can be expensive at times. She was in a perfect position as a one-time Scientology customer to do a great deal of good investigative and evidence-gathering work however she went about it utilizing methods that included mildly illegal theft, something professional infiltrators do not do.

    Being afforded legal access to incriminating documents covering some of Scientology’s crimes is not all that difficult to achieve, and of course internal video and audio surveillance of criminal conduct committed by Scientology crime bosses is *not* in itself an illegal act sans malice since there is no expectation of privacy when engaged in mutual commerce such as Keaton does with Scientology’s criminal representatives.

    Her motivations were tainted but still fairly honorable, her methods were wrong, her legal standing is muddied though a Jury or a Judge may decide that what she allegedly “stole” is in fact public information or information shared with hundreds of Scientology customers and ringleaders, ergo not theft, as such. Certainly not egregious theft.

    Finally she acquired evidence of crimes being committed by Scientology’s operators, she should have accumulated it and stored it off site in secure locations with an attorney time locked for release, she should not have shared it with anyone or informed anyone on line that she was doing law enforcement work (however covered with the mud of stupidity.)

    Give her 8 stars out of 10 for working to help put a final end to the Scientology crime syndicate, but give her 1 star for employing methods that are not firmly legal, take back 5 stars for discussing her security investigation and evidence-gathering activities on line.

  • Espiando

    Two-hour flight delay in Phoenix. Every time I go anywhere near the West Coast or the Tampa Bay area, for some reason, my flight is always, always delayed. Makes one wonder.

    Here’s the strongest argument to think that she’s deep-cover OSA: she supposedly has Lernd2Internet. She’s been around the Ex scene for a long period of time. She knows the lay of the land. If you, a relatively sane person, were going to do something like this, who in the anti-Scientology scene would you go to for help? The people who know the most about shit like this: Anonymous. I don’t think you’d find very many moral compunctions from that end, and goodness knows the advice would have been a lot better than what she tried on her own. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that she would have pulled it off without being caught.

    Who does she go to? Tony, who rumor has it will be the featured article in an upcoming issue of Freedumb. WBM, who the Toxic Midget would love to slander before Knowledge Report is finished. This is definitely something that OSA would, in their ham-fisted clown car way, try to do. They almost certainly have a target list for something like this. Karen is the most vulnerable target at the top of that list. They know that a letter from Gary Soter won’t work against Marty or Mike, so Karen it is. I wonder if a registered missive is on its way to Casa de Headley or to Matt and Amy.

    So, is this bitch crazy, or is she crazy like a fox?

    • monkeyknickers

      I’m going with just plain crazy.

      • Espiando

        Normally I would too, but OSA, and for that matter all of Scientology, tends to be the stones that blunt Occam’s Razor.

        • Noah Miller

          Except she’s convinced she’s the reincarnation of Nibs Hubbard and the David Miscavige needs to come to her house, bring his own e-meter (cause she doesn’t have one) and get audited by her cause she’s the only one who can save the church. There’s more, but her postings are pretty crazy and tend to take the smallest thing someone writes in response and go off that rather than the content of the post.

          • Espiando

            She’s the reincarnation of Quentin, not Nibs. Nibs’ thetans were still occupying him when she was born. It doesn’t discount the possibility that she’s Acting For OSA. It does work for them on a number of levels, you have to admit. She can discredit Exes and Indies with the cray-cray, or she can act as an agent provocateur as is possible in this scenario. And let’s face it, it doesn’t take much to convince anyone that a Scilon is crazy.

            • Noah Miller

              I tend to get the hubbard brood mixed up pretty easily. But if he couldn’t care about them, why should I right?

              But yeah I do think they attempted to make her flip and target critics just because thats standard operating procedure. I think the OSA machinery went through all the steps they normally go through they just didn’t prepare for someone as crazy as her who seems to be on the same side as whoever she is talking to at that moment.

    • Truthiwant

      There’s a story out today in the Daily Mail accusing the British Government Chancellor of the Exchequer’s cat that roams around Downing Street as being a Chinese agent. What I mean is…uummm…if that’s true then anything goes for the Russian OSA spy.

  • Gerard Plourde

    As others have noted, it’s difficult to know exactly what this incident is. It could be a mentally challenged ex who tried to run a cloak and dagger operation on the church but the facts could also bear the interpretation of a typically sloppy OSA operation that initially sought to entrap Tony and Mark Bunker in order to neutralize the threat they pose (her effort to recruit them before she began her alleged infiltration is a particularly troubling detail). I wouldn’t put it past DM to attempt an entrapment scenario from watching one too “Mission Impossibles”.

    • Couch_Incident

      Incidentally, compliments to Tony & Mark Bunker for the brush-off – demonstrates that they are serious, careful men.

  • InterestedObserver12

    On its website, ABC is headlining the video of its interview with Mad Men’s Elizabeth Moss “Elizabeth Moss Praises Scientology” despite the cult taking up all of 30 seconds in a 12:22 peice. Shame on ABC and shame on Peter Travers.

  • DeElizabethan

    What a story!
    Tony and Mark, wise men, but then we know that, thanks.
    Go get them Karen, luv your latest vid.

  • SP ‘Onage

    It’s a Sloppy Black OP! This woman couldn’t even tip-toe past the medicine cabinet without waking up the sleeping pills with all those spying gadgets.

    It’s obvious OSA tried to involve Tony too, thank goodness he didn’t take the bait.

    Karen, things happen for a reason. The way you have been harassed and stalked by the cult, you should have hired a lawyer a long time ago. This will bite them in the ass now that Ray Jefferys is on the job. Keep up the good work, I enjoy your (humorous yet informative) videos. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Artoo45

    This week on OSA Goes A-Fishin: an epic fail. Seems like the wogs just aren’t biting today . . .

  • Spackle Motion

    I read about this sekret spai caper on another board and it just reeks. There are so many contradictions about this story (she was so poor but could afford all of that equipment?) that I just don’t buy it. Either it is a set-up or it was a badly put together plan by an unstable woman with mental health issues.

    • ze moo

      Or just a woman desperate to see her kids. I have to agree about the poor execution though.

      • Sidney18511

        Once she lost her kids and the child support that she was surviving on she had no place else to go and according to her she wanted to document DMs abuses. OSA dangled the use of their legal dept in front of her like a carrot if she would tell them the names of the critics who received the stolen documents in exchange for their legal help.

        • Observer

          Typical and despicable.

        • Spackle Motion

          Or, they lured her back in for this stupid caper with the promise that she would regain custody, money, etc.

          There are too many contradictions in her story, which is a OSA fingerprint, and way too many holes. I don’t buy it for a minute.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Dear Lia Kea,

    Good that you are in California, as you might thus be able to get some higher quality pro bono legal help, if Scientology goes after you legally. (Please network, read up how Dennis Erlich got some really high quality pro bono legal help, in years past.)

    You obviously were doing all this infiltration with the intent of obtaining whistleblower information about Scientology’s abuses.

    In any event, that you found not that much to whistleblow about, I suspect that only your case will hinge on the laws.

    Get good advice legally! Outsider good advice!

    Years ago, when I was called on the phone by lawyer Elliot Abelson, when I got off the phone, I called Gerry Armstrong.

    Network, and get good legal advice.

    Here’s a Whistleblower’s legal defense site:

    http://www.whistleblowerdefenseleague.com/

    Chuck Beatty
    412-260-1170

  • Jim Bklunt

    Jane Bond was certainly loaded for Bear. No bra that shoots poison darts or rocket powered high heels.
    Still worth the price of admission when the movie comes out.

  • sizzle8

    Reminds me of the Ms Bloodybutt incident years ago.

  • Jgg2012

    Generally, you cannot record a conversation without the other person’s knowledge, but you can say what you heard or saw. If you believe you are witnessing a crime, a judge or magistrate can give law enforcement (LE) the right to wiretap, so contact them.
    Having said that, what is Scientology whining about? These are the nicest, most ethical people on the planet. They have NOTHING to hide.

    • Missionary Kid

      Great sarcsm: Having said that, what is Scientology whining about? These are the nicest, most ethical people on the planet. They have NOTHING to hide.
      That’s the third good laugh I’ve had out of the comments this morning.

  • ze moo

    On the lighter side of the news, ‘After Earth’ placed 7th at the box office with 11.2 million for the weekend and a total of 46.6 million dollars. Only 90 million to go to make a profit, plus whatever the marketing and publicity costs are. I am betting Jada is not happy.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    So, hmm. Scientology didn’t use a Gene Ingram type. They evidently didn’t use a lawyer cutout to set someone professional up for the caper. I’m thinking this was an OSA op from the start.

    1. It seems like a “Bright Idea” thought up by some OSA types without much operational experience or appreciation of the law. Meaning: Not many, or any, legal minded cautious types left in OSA. If they used a BPD person, “Keaton” to do it, it was created by BPD types in OSA who are desperate to gain Miscavige’s favor.

    2. Possibly Scientology did run it by someone with legal/justice experience, but didn’t listen to the advice to drop it. That will bite them in the butt. Eventual fallout over it will poison the well of possible legal talent Scientology could use in the future.

    3. Regardless of if it was a bad idea created by Keaton or by some working group within OSA, it is indicative of a disconnect with reality and living in a magical thinking universe where people actually do this kind of thing and get away with it. There is obviously no appreciation of the downside of it being exposed.

    4. Invest in popcorn futures.

  • Roman

    So hear me out, because I have a bone to pick with these folks. Not just Donatella, but Karen de la Carriere as well as all these other lifer Scientologists/SO members. Look at that picture of the ranch school with Jenna Miscavige, Alexander Jentsche and the Luigi kid. Look at the other kids there. Do these people realize that they took their kids and put them into the ranch school of the Sea Org so they could dedicate theirselves full time to a religion? Was it really a surprise that this kid got addicted to drugs?? You left his childhood in the hands of unqualified clergy members while you remained remiss in your maternal duties and you expected him to come out normal? Karen raised her son in a cult which rigorously condones disconnection and then she gets offended when towards the end of his life he’ll have nothing to do with her. It’s amazing that these people get so offended when their families disconnect from them when THEY were the ones who MADE their families a part of it. I was another Alexander, Jenna and Luigi. These kids were neglected while their parents went off to pursue other matters they found more important than their children. Flunk.

    • SciWatcher

      Well said!

    • dagobarbz

      Do you honestly think these people are not aware of this, or agonize over it every day?

      What’s done is in the past. You don’t help by dragging up the dead equine for another pounding. You are making vast assumptions about these folks and how they feel and what they think. You are not OT. You can’t read minds. Keep your aspersions to yourself. You’re not helping.

      • Captain Howdy

        I have no doubt that they agonize every moment of every day. I just can’t understand how they can still believe in scientology. If your child dying due to your involvement in a so called “religion” doesn’t wake you up, I don’t know what would.

      • Roman

        I know many current and former Scientologists who still believe that it was only the last decade which caused the current afflictions to its members. I see the problem going back to the beginning. Look at LRH’s kids. Look at his ex-wives. He created the entire system being enforced today, save the off-policy fundraising. All current “off-policy” programs are basically just magnifications of LRH policies. My parents are both New OT 8s and neither of them can so much as move a toothpick with their minds, much less read a mind. I’m not just trying to spit vitriol and rehash shopworn wounds, but I see so many people trying to “reform” the Church to the “way it used to be”. My point is that it’s always been a cult-like organization, from it’s inception. And I feel very bad for any future progeny that get subjected to the same crap treatment as Jenna, Alex, “Luigi” or myself had to go through. We got robbed of a childhood and our powers of logic were supplanted with “LRH says this” and “Scientology is the answer” and “Greatest good for the Church is all that matters”. So yes, I do wan quite a few of these individuals to take a better look at exactly what they’re trying to reform.

        • DeElizabethan

          My heart to you. <3

          • Truthiwant

            I second that.

        • Zana

          You have a right to your anger. I respect your point of view and the seriousness of the dysfunction created by Co$. Many, many women have been molested over and over again by “proper” parents and have to reclaim their sanity and stability on their own. You must reclaim yours. You’re smart, you have a lot to give to the world. Do whatever you need to do to work through the wounding and step into your personal power.

      • Truthiwant

        Excuse me, what do you mean by saying “You are not OT”? Are you presuming that those people that have been indoctrinated by the cult do actually have “OT” abilities?

        • dagobarbz

          Well of course they do! they couldn’t advertise it if it wasn’t true. You must be new if you think for even a nanosec that I think OT powers exist. Being as how I am Xenubarb; Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)

    • George Layton

      I believe it would be very difficult to find out who every single person is that read here. I agree with dragobarzb that, for some, this might be something they have already and still do reflect upon, but there may be some that this might be that one thing they need to read to finally realize they have been wrong all along in the way they KNOW reality.

    • Bob

      Dead on point. Karma has a way of raising its head. Nothing more important than a parents love and care. NOTHING!

  • SciWatcher

    Mark Rinder on how great Hubbard’s drug treatment program is and how it’s just the IAS that screwed it up: http://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-narconon-claims-fact-check/

    • Captain Howdy

      One step forward…two steps back.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Two + 1,000. Children put through the grill of ethics and the mindmelt of the Purif is still good, as long as it’s the Hubbard way.

        http://youtu.be/Qwlw8hcWQS4

    • Espiando

      It’s not Mike saying that, it’s his “fact-checking” disciple “Natasha Boris”. All that this person does is check the hype against the reality. The Indies then take it to the next level.

      That being said, I just posted one of my anti-Purif messages over there. Let’s see if Mike approves it, and what the reaction is.

  • Synthia Fagen

    Great video Karen. It really shows the writhing cesspool of degradation, despair and hypocrisy that is the “church” of Scientology.

    This is all a manifestation of following the crazy and ultra paranoid world of L Ron Hubbard.

  • Denise Brennan

    Karen you are a lovely and good person. And I am so happy to have you as a good friend.
    Thank you for what you are doing.
    I, and I am sure many others, are completely behind you on this.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      And you are a lovely and good person yourself. I am enjoying your posts on ESMB, thank you for sharing that!

      • Tory Christman

        Totally agreed, re Denise, too! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Tory Christman

      Yes, good job, Karen….and certainly Tony! This person came on my FB last week and tried to drag me into this. I immediately told her: “I do not know you. I have not and will not have anything to do with this. Please stop sending me communications”. They stopped after that. She seems to have gotten around. Good thing you shined some light on this: “SUNSHINE DISINFECTS” ๐Ÿ™‚ Tory/Magoo

      • Sidney18511

        I am so glad that you blew her off Tory! I wouldn’t be surprised if OSA was doing the typing for her.

      • Gerard Plourde

        The fact that she also sought to pull you into the plot reinforces the theory that this was some kind of OSA operation.

        • Zana

          Yes. That starts making more sense.

    • DeElizabethan

      +1

    • sugarplumfairy

      Yep!! Stay strong, Karen!

  • mook
    • Missionary Kid

      Short jokes will do.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Yuliya’s 2010 diatribe on ESMB (where she claims to be Quintin and is dealing with the guilt of suicide) she talks about being thrown out of the SO (without even a sec check!) and how she considered suicide again in this life. She had some interesting things to say “as Quintin” — no wonder they wanted her gone! We then see her making amends with the Indies. She is clearly suffering from deep psychological issues. I am relieved to know that at least she got a lawyer (per Tony) who hopefully told her to stay away from the boards and to get some counseling. If she had issues before OSA dealt with her, you know she’s knee-deep in them now. Just hope she isn’t reading the Bunker. And COB/OSA really should be held accountable for even messing with someone so messed up.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thank you for this post. It kind of sums it all up, the way I see it.

  • Roman

    In addition to my last post, I also want to point out that I feel the entire way of raising a kid via Scientology tech is flawed if by only the merit of the fact that it’s author had three failed marriages with his last one ending up in federal prison for a felony he was implicated in. And of his children, one committed suicide and another tried to sue him for control of his Church. I don’t have to go survey everyone who’s been married and had kids to know that those are horrible statistics. Would you ask an obese person for cardio tips? Would you have a bum orchestrate a seminar on making money? Why would you listen to a man who has the aforementioned track record? Much less leave your kids under the purview and tutelage of blind sycophants applying the same technology? LRH sold his followers on one very strong idea “Do as I say, not as I do.”

    • George Layton

      Roman, I have posted this here once before, (it was written for Jenna after I read her book) without the comment form Jenna. I thought you might like to see it with her reply attached.
      Hi George, Wow. Your poem brought tears to my eyes! It was so very thoughtful and so spot on!

      Thank you so so very much for taking the time and care to put yourself in my shoes for a moment and to share and shoulder some of my past.
      There is nothing more therapeutic than the words of someone who is so clearly empathetic.
      You will probably be happy to know that all of the moments you describe I am now currently able to experience through the childhood of my own sweet children!

      Thank you so so very much for making my day with your kindness!

      All the best to you and your loved ones!

      -Jenna

      On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM, George Layton wrote:

      To: Jenna

      From:
      George Layton
      glayton@bresnan.net

      Message:
      They took the child away
      In those young years when every sight is made of wonder. With that
      Freedom to look where your wandering might lead you and the
      Serendipity in each discovery and a parents smiling face comforting
      and encouraging in each and every one. But this one is led down narrow
      halls, with no smiling parent near, with no comforting hand or gentle
      word to say. They took the child away.
      On that sunny beach with friends to chase through the salty waves.
      Then back up to wrap in fluffy towels to dry the cold away and
      instantly forget the cold when you see Dad has begun to build a
      sandcastle! Of course you and your friends need to show him just how
      it must be done. But this one must kneel in the sand to pull the weeds
      out by the roots. No sandcastles here real or imagined, having been
      forsaken by that โ€œgreater good โ€œ, that one and only way. They took
      the child away.
      Those camping trips of tracking through the fern filled forest. Those
      calling birds and squirrels chattering down from lofty trees. Those
      pungent smells kicked up by tiny feet tromping through the fallen
      leaves. Or sitting quietly watching, waiting, laughing when that
      chipmunk finally skitters down to the bread crusts left by you and
      Dad. But this one is fed on this day, not but crusts and water, for
      wistfully looking at the forest when she should be carrying the stones
      that here in the bottom of the creek bed lay. They took the child
      away.
      And oh those wondrous camping nights! When suppers over and we get to
      watch the camp fire flames lick the darkness, knowing that soon will
      be the time for smores! So hard to decide which is more delicious,
      making them or eating them! And just to own that knowledge that the
      best dirty hands are smore hands. But this one knows no campfire
      songs, no treats that can be made thereby, has no recall of flames
      licking the night time. After the evening dinner comes the repetition
      of the only worthwhile speaking one needs learn to say. They took the
      child away.
      Oh what fun to be had with the four colored cans of play doh Mom
      bought today, just because she saw them there. To make any multi
      colored art that comes to mind. Heโ€™s made that and it makes me think
      of this and mine makes him think of something even more fantastic. On
      and on in our laughing delight weโ€™ve made up every sort of, out of
      this world, art. But this one is given anotherโ€™s idea and told to
      form that and only that idea from clay. They took the child away.
      Those hikes along the foothill trail to the boulder field that seems
      to run for miles to the granite cliffs towering above. With the tickle
      of fear and excitement as you begin your clime upon and through the
      strewn boulders. Mom of course above to lend a helping hand if needed.
      Dad of course below in case you slip downwards. The scraped knee from
      one such slip that Mom and Dad are both so concerned about but you
      consider a battle scar in your triumphant conquer of a mountain. But
      this oneโ€™s scrapes and scars come from the rock walls needing
      building, and no sense of accomplishment comes with the drudgery in
      the labor that she does every day. They took the child away.
      Even in the night when fitful dreams might come to frighten you. Those
      tree branch fingers at your window on those stormy nights, scratching
      there to scare the happy dreams away. Mom is there to shoo those scary
      specters off with a story from your favorite book or a nighttime
      lullaby and send you back to sleep. But this oneโ€™s parents canโ€™t
      be there for her to keep the fears at bay. They took the child away.
      Schools out and summer vacation has begun! With all your friends on
      bikes you pedal fast as the wind down to the swimming hole. With a
      large rock to dive off of and a real rope swing that carries you all
      the way to the middle of the pond! To spend an entire lazy hot day
      swimming and swinging. A sack lunch, Mom insisted you take, is so
      delicious because she put in a cream filled sponge cake! So many
      perfect days each summer simply filled with kid fun. Any fun idea you
      can come up with is yours for the making. But for this one there in no
      summer break, barely any school time. Too much to be done to clear the
      way. They took the child away.
      To never see the child, to never be the child. To take away the
      wonderment that each and every one of them is born to. To lose your
      chance at those incredible incites the children have to share. To take
      out of the world our salvation in the childlike act, in the childlike
      thought, in the childlike experience, in the childlike trust, in the
      childlike love. To give the childlike world away in exchange forโ€ฆ
      Whatever else you work for. Whatever else you pay for. Whatever else
      you look for. Whatever else you strive for. Whatever else you shout
      for. Whatever else you believe in. Donโ€™t take the child away.
      Anonymous.

      • Xique

        Wow George, thanks for posting.

    • stateofcircle

      And don’t forget, his daughters and granddaughters blew Scientology as well.

  • Sidney18511

    The COS was trying to ensnare Tony, Mark Bunker, Karan and another critic by catching them with stolen docs. I don’t know if this was Yulia idea on her own or if an OSA birdie whispered in her ear and influenced her. They told her to give up some names and their legal dept. would help her get her kids back, so she gave them names. Remember on that undercover celebrity Scientology blog where the poster spilled the beans on the OSA having a special meeting on how to take down Tony? Maybe this is what they came up with.

    They were going after the critics that are doing serious damage to the COS. thank goodness that they smelled the rotten clam sauce and stayed away.

    • George Layton

      May have been that docs never existed and they were fishing for emails co-conspiring with her to infiltrate.

      That may have been mentioned already, loads of posts today and I’m not if I read them all.

    • GrimlyGris

      Frankly, I’ll be disappointed if the exposรฉ reveals anything less than Tony’s appreciation for tits, ass, beer, palling around with terrorists and occasional “cutest kitty ever!” youtube upload.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Turtlez!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          hahah “palling around”. Yep.

          • sugarplumfairy

            =)

      • q-bird

        crap.

  • Mrs Libnish

    Does anyone else thing the timing on this is odd? First, that blogger(s) on the Scientology, Celebrity, Human Rights states that there were all night meetings discussing digging up dirt on Tony and featuring him in their craptastic, propaganda mag Freedumbass. These blogger(s) have outright said they have infiltrated the church and are looking for docs to turn over to the government. Maybe, maybe not, but I have seen discussion over at WWP on the topic.

    Then, this kook comes out of the blue asking Tony and Mark to give her advice on how to infiltrate Scientology and what they think would be the legal ramifications if she were to be caught. They decline to become involved. Then, she posts, all over hell and back, exactly what she is up to and why. Including, obtaining all these low level James Bond type spy items. Finally, a nasty gram gets sent to Karen, a high profile ex and critic and someone whose videos and stories are featured here at the Bunker, said nasty grams demands that she turn over the goods. I mean really???

    2+2 = 4. Or at least that is what my desk calculator is telling me. She’s a plant. Why? Possibly to entrap Tony (which didn’t work). Since they had her crazy ass out here, maybe she could take down Karen, while she’s at it.

    Hey OSA…..check mate bitch.

    • stateofcircle

      I was thinking this as well. Anyone have any info or speculation on the scientologycelebrity.wordpress.com awesomeness? I’m not sure what to make of it, but whatever it is, it’s entertaining and informative.

      • Missionary Kid

        There’s a lot of stuff there, but I’d treat it as if it came from the worst tabloid. Why? There’s a lot of innuendo and no independent verification. I’d be VERY careful about this person who doesn’t reveal their name. For all I know, it could be another Co$ black operation.

        • DodoTheLaser

          If this thing is an OSA Op (which I seriously doubt) – it’s my favorite one.
          Thy are funny as hell and speak a lot of truth.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m suspicious of it because whoever it is doesn’t ID themselves. One way to work propaganda is to mix lies with truth.

            I’m joyful that some of the Co$ dirtbags are being called dirtbags, but their comments on Tony really didn’t quite resound with me. Your mileage may vary.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Understood and agreed. But, most critics don’t ID themselves for obvious reasons.
              What they said about Tony was already out there, sometimes the context matters.
              What they posted on The Universe Corps this Sunday is dead on.

              So far they exposed plenty of truth that the “church”, I’m sure, hates to be out there.

              With that said, these guys fucking rule so far.

        • 0tessa

          He has to be undercover – he’s too close.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I know an Ex when I see one. I think they are fighting a good fight.
        Some points they nail are dead on right. Plus all the funny cussing cracks me up.

      • 0tessa

        This seems to be a real insider. Quote: “Scientologists are their own worst enemy” and nightmare, I would like to add. Very entertaining indeed.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Personally, I love this blog. It is a hoot.
        And I don’t for a minute think it is OSA.

      • Artoo45

        Well, thanks a lot for destroying my productivity by introducing me to yet another addictive blog. Can I join Bloganonanon now?

    • 0tessa

      Yeah, OSA is very, very busy. Hope they are panicking.

  • Snake Plissken

    How has Scientology not been turned into a reality show yet?

    They have literally corned the market on dysfunction and batshit crazy.

    The Jerry Springer Show of fake religions is just screaming to be turned into an MTV Reality Show.

    • Missionary Kid

      Unfortunately, with the Hole and RPF, it would be a horror show.

      • 0tessa

        Something like Goulag Archipel.

    • Tory Christman

      I’ve actually said that for years, Snake P…even back when I was “in” and on OT 7: “This could be
      THE biggest reality show EVVVVAAAHHHH. I’ve never watched Soap Opera’s but I’ve heard about them all my life, and from all I’ve heard—-Everything in Soaps is in $cientology, daily. Only difference is $cientology is real!” Yes, Missionary Kid, the Hole and RPF would be a big part of the “horror show”: Just more reason why peeps would watch. Think of The Truman show! This would be the $cientology Truman Show! Tory/Magoo <<<< Producer ๐Ÿ™‚

  • grundoon

    “one false rock with hidden compartment”

    Very clever! This would go unnoticed simply by placing it amongst all of the other rocks around her org or berthing.

  • sketto

    Anybody else notice that the response was addressed to “Ms.” Soter? Is there something about Gary we should know? Does he prefer to be addressed that way?

  • Garry Scarff

    I received a FB message from YK months ago.. I heard alot of stories about her from another source & deleted it.. did not respond. If the California Bar wasn’t so lazy when it comes to disciplining attorneys who abuse their law practice, I’d encourage Karen & others to file a bar complaint against the despicable Gary Soter, who is a paid legal whore for the cult. Donatella is the current wife of long-time OSAbot Frits Kevenaar, a thin, bespectacled guy often taking photos of protesters at cult events. Frits was once married to Jacqueline Verweij, a Dutch woman mentioned in a 2012 Village Voice story of cult executives imprisoned in the Hole. Jacqueline has since routed out of the SO & works as a web designer in Tampa, FL.

    Karen’s video shows Charlie Earl, an OSAbot I worked with in the 90s. I don’t know much about the frumpy Donatella except when I approached her at protests at cult events, she would immediately flee & plant herself next to a cop & claim I was harassing her.

    • DeElizabethan

      Nice to hear, thanks.

  • media_lush

    STOP THE PRESSES…….. just saw this little promo come up on my TV

    (UK Channel 4, next Monday 9pm)

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Let me get this straight. The church kept this woman under guard in a locked room for days? And she is worried about legal actions against her? When will ex-members wake up to the fact that the law gives them rights and no one has the right to hold them against their will? Repeat after me, when someone locks you in a room against your will, say “Let me go, this is kidnapping, let me go, now.” Say it over and over. If they threaten you with legal action, say “that is what the courts are for, you have that right. You do not have the right to keep me against my will. You are kidnapping me, let me go now.” Call the police if you can, keep notes about the number of times you ask to leave. The only question here that I see is how many zeros will be in the checks the church will have to write to the victims of this kidnapping and harassment operation. Please, know your rights!

  • Viewpoint of Dementia

    Another psych infiltrator and a horrible person. What an SP! Using surveillance, copying confidential Church materials – it’s a tragedy, and completely out-ethics. It’s frightening to think that any Scientologist would resort to these kinds of underhanded tricks, it’s so degraded. I’m glad to know RTC is safeguarding the tech and stopping at nothing to uncover and route out suppression like this!

    • Missionary Kid

      Your avatar says it all. Great Sarcasm

    • DeElizabethan

      Actually I’m just wondering what sort of imprtant documents she could’ve been exposed to anyway. When someone comes back into the organization, thy remain suspect for a long time. I know.

      • Observer

        That’s an excellent point

    • q-bird

      and you’re back….

      • Viewpoint of Dementia

        Aww, she’s bullbaiting! Fun! I wonder which TR she’s working on.

        • q-bird

          Aww, Viewpoint ~ are you beaming good intention this-a-way?

    • Truthiwant

      Can I tell you a joke, Captain Findus.
      When your company started producing fish products many years ago they didn’t know what to call them and they originally thought a good name would be ‘Cod Pieces’. Not totally happy with the name they decided to change the whole appearance and call them ‘Fish Balls’. Customers were not too happy with that name and so they eventually settled on ‘Fish Fingers’.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ve heard their next product is gonna be a version of schweaty balls.

    • Yeppir

      Thumbs’ d up for a spot-on representation – perfect actually – of the one dimensional, delusional, Orwellian, perfectly scilon ability to exactly miss what is really wrong with this entire debacle.

    • Sherbet

      Welcome back, Demented One.

    • George Layton

      Hey View.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I have been looking for the answer to this question, but no luck: Has Keaton gone to the police and filed a report of her kidnapping by the people from scientology who held her against her will and under guard?

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Karen, you sure have guts, tons of courage. Interesting how little Donnatella cares about her son until you learn of his addiction….

    Donnatella’s future: Narconon will be gone, the church will be in a fight with the Nation of Islam (Farrakhan has hooked up with other organizations before, then dumped them), Miscavige will be looking over his shoulder to see which other “leader” in the church is coming to depose him, Idle Orgs will be sold or used for banquet halls, there will be one U.S. “parrish” as regions consolidate due to decreasing numbers of members, and Donnatella will have a son that despises her.

  • gordon freeman

    Forgive my ignorance but don’t they put you on the soup cans as soon as you sign up to ride the loonycoaster and ask you if you’re there to spy on scn as one of their standard questions? If they don’t, fine. But if they do, then clearly the tech didn’t work, now did it.

    • Viewpoint of Dementia

      Don’t be shy about your ignorance, Gordon.

      It’s easy, really. She must have had a bad auditor. All problems with case come down to incorrect application of the technology.

      She is obviously overwhelmed with demon circuits, bouncers and locks that even the slightest misstep getting the ruds in could totally butter her all over the universe. Maybe she hadn’t had enough to eat, or used too much hand cream?

      There’s so many millions of new members flowing in to the Orgs that it’s possible (although unthinkable) that her auditor, in a rush to clear the planet, forgot to repair her havingness or something on this order of magnitude.

      Or, for all we know, she was squirreling the tech and got some non-standard auditing! That’s actually most likely, now that I cognite it.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Whilst she was locked in for up to three days worth of interrogations…??? lol
        Yeah… maybe… possibly… might…
        Or… it actually doesn’t work. :p

        • Viewpoint of Dementia

          She was probably just running the Introspection Rundown.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Or the ‘spy rundown’… haha

      • media_lush

        aaah, the old buttering the universe excuse…. nice

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Worst Op Ever.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      How was the girls Colombia lunch? Bummed I missed out.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        We ended up doing brunch at THDNE’s lair instead.
        It was Epic!

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    On a totally unrelated note, I saw this for sale in Skymall and thought it would be fantastic present for Marty from all of us. With love and ARC, your Bunker friends, enjoy!

    • aquaclara

      Hey, that T shirt with “squirrels are mocking me! ” is a great one, too! Truly a fun find? Hope the flight was good.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Wow, you’re like a detective or something putting Skymall and flight together. Maybe OSA could use your services. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        And it was fine, thx.

        • aquaclara

          Aah, I haven’t had any business trips recently, and I do love Skymall shopping! The squirrel collection is great. Good for giggles, presents for a few redneck- type relatives AND Marty or Davey. A trifecta of wonderfulness.

  • CommunicatorIC

    Please be advised that Michael Hobson has been appointed the Security Investigations Officer of the Independent Scientology Facebook Group.
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?32048-Michael-Hobson-is-now-the-Security-Investigations-Officer-of-a-Indie-Facebook-Group

    • BuryTheNuts2

      SNORT!

    • Espiando

      So…essentially, he’s Warden Hodges from Dad’s Army.

      (RIP, Bill Pertwee)

  • Bella Legosi

    It surprises me that what Yuliya pulled off isn’t being done by a lot more people or the government. With the amount of activism regarding Co$ it does not surprise me that someone had the balls to go in with this plan to record and “steal” information. The “church” deserves it. If they weren’t so damn secretive and open then shit like this wouldn’t happen. But Co$ must protect their secret that they are a criminal, mafia-esk, mind controlling, greedy, C U L T! That is the only viable reason why I see anything like OSA being necessary for a ”religion” and the KGB like interrogations they conduct.

    Their behavior inspires this type of action. I wonder just how many more people this will inspire as well?

  • HelluvaHoax!

    Go Karen!!

    Note to self: If I start a cult and Karen joins, do not do any stupid junk to piss her off.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Ha! Thanks for stopping by HH!

      Long time, no see. Doing well?!

      • tetloj

        I actually saw Hoaxie on an ESMB thread the other day shhhhhhh!

      • HelluvaHoax!

        I’m at Target III.

        I seem to have acquired so much intention from doing the Bridge that I overshot Target II.

        Thank God. LOL.

  • media_lush

    Turkish media appears to be run by scientologists……

  • media_lush

    lulz

  • zhubajie

    Isn’t holding someone against their will a crime in any of the states?

    • dbloch7986

      False imprisonment is definitely a crime. Judging by the things I’ve read that were written by this woman she could not conclusively state whether she was falsely imprisoned or not. She has changed her story more than a few times.

  • Jgg2012

    Actually, Moss admitted that she gets advice from other places as well, thus admitting that what’s good in Scientology is not new or unique to Scientology.