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SCIENTOLOGY DENIED: CA Appeals Court Won’t Help Church in Forced-Abortion Lawsuit

CASupremeCourtThings have really heated up in Laura DeCrescenzo’s forced-abortion lawsuit against the Church of Scientology. As we reported earlier, the church has been ordered to turn over more than a hundred of DeCrescenzo’s “pc folders” — which contain notes taken while she underwent intense interrogations at the hands of church officials, and which should yield thousands of pages of supporting evidence for her allegations of abuse in Scientology’s “Sea Org.” But with only days to go, the church is fighting mightily not to release that material.

We have learned that a petition filed by Scientology was denied by California’s Appeals Court, and on Monday the church then filed a petition with the state’s Supreme Court.

If that petition is denied, Scientology may even petition the US Supreme Court. The church claims that it should not be forced to turn over what it says are confidential confessionals protected by clergy-penitent privilege — even though it’s the penitent, DeCrescenzo, who wants access to the documents.

“They are fighting tooth and nail not to produce those pc folders,” DeCrescenzo tells us.

The church has been racing to beat a May 6 deadline to produce the documents, but this week Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Ronald M. Sohigian agreed to wait until a May 16 meeting to discuss a new production date.

That gives the church more time for its appeals, and we’ll be waiting to see how they come out. For now, the church struck out with the state appeals court, which denied its petition without a written order. Here’s the brief that the church submitted…

 

Church of Scientology petition CA state appeal

 
A sample of its language, which is set at a high pitch…

Unless this Court issues a Writ of Mandate or Prohibition, Petitioner-Defendant Church of Scientology International (“CSI”) will be compelled to disclose volumes of privileged material protected by the clergy-penitent privilege in violation of California law and the California and United States Constitutions.

The Superior Court had ruled that because DeCrescenzo’s auditors shared her “confessions” with others, such as case supervisors, examiners, and directors of processing, there is no priest-penitent privilege under California statute — the law says the privilege applies only if the priest is not allowed to communicate with anyone else, not even another priest. By Scientology’s own reckoning, DeCrescenzo’s auditing records were compiled and reviewed by some 250 church officials — some of them people DeCrescenzo says she didn’t even know.

But Scientology claims that all of those people were “ministers” and kept DeCrescenzo’s interrogation notes confidential. So to differentiate between Catholic confession — which is kept secret by a single priest — and Scientology’s auditing folders — which are apparently read and shared by a small army — is to favor one religion over another, violating Scientology’s First Amendment rights.

The church says relatively little about the fact that it’s DeCrescenzo — the “penitent” — who wants these documents for her lawsuit.

Laura DeCrescenzo

Laura DeCrescenzo

Of course, the church doesn’t mention that Scientology has a long history of being accused of violating the confidentiality of its confessional files. Many ex-church members over the years say that things they told only in auditing suddenly began showing up in anonymous attacks on the Internet after they spoke out critically about the church, for example. But in this brief, at least, Scientology insists that it keeps such files absolutely secret, and to force them to turn them over would be a terrible violation of the church’s religious rights.

The appeals court didn’t buy it. We’ll see if the state supremes do.

Laura DeCrescenzo started working as a staff member for the Church of Scientology at only nine years of age, and at 12 she joined the Sea Org, signing its billion-year contract. For the next 13 years (from 1991 to 2004) she was like other Sea Org employees — utterly dedicated, working 100-hour weeks for pennies an hour and enduring harsh interrogations about every aspect of her private life.

Laura was married at 16 and got pregnant at 17 — which was against the rules. Like other young women in the Sea Org, Laura says she was given no choice about terminating the pregnancy by an organization that wanted her back to working long hours.

Five years after the abortion, DeCrescenzo then had to endure another of the Sea Org’s horrors, the “Rehabilitation Project Force,” its prison detail. In the RPF, Sea Org members wear black boiler suits and perform manual labor, running from place to place and making sure not to speak to anyone, eating even worse food than regular Sea Org members. After three years, DeCrescenzo was still waiting for word that she’d completed the program and could go back to her regular duties. But she seemed stuck in the program and, desperate, tried a stunt she knew would get her kicked out of the Sea Org: she gulped down a cup of bleach in what appeared to be a suicide attempt.

The stunt worked and the Sea Org offloaded her — but then hit her with a $120,000 “freeloader debt.” She spent the next four years still in the church, trying to pay off that money. (One way that young people are convinced to join the Sea Org is that they will be able to receive expensive Scientology “auditing” for free — but if they ever leave the Sea Org, they are hit with the freeloader debt for full price of the services they received. Although the church cannot legally enforce a freeloader debt, some members spend years paying it off in order to remain in the church’s good graces.) DeCrescenzo estimates that she paid off about $10,000 of the debt before she finally left the church itself.

She then decided to file her lawsuit in 2009, but the church’s main strategy has been arguing that DeCrescenzo waited too long to file a suit regarding her time in the Sea Org. DeCrescenzo’s attorneys have countered that in the four years after she had left the Sea Org, she was still under the influence of the church, which maintains control over its members through the threat of intense interrogations.

A federal and then a lower state court agreed with Scientology’s argument that DeCrescenzo should have filed her suit by 2008. But then California’s state appeals court disagreed, and restored the case in the superior court. And that’s where we are today.

Scientology’s intense efforts to avoid handing over DeCrescenzo’s folders suggests that it might be a make-or-break moment for the church. If so, and if Scientology throws in the towel and writes a big check to make the case go away, it would be the fourth time in a year that it’s paid large sums to end a lawsuit headed for disaster. Former church employee Debbie Cook (April 2012), former church private eyes Paul Marrick and Greg Arnold (November 2012), and the Desmond family (February 2013, in a wrongful death lawsuit against Scientology’s drug rehab system, Narconon) each were paid undisclosed amounts to end lawsuits that had produced damaging documents. If Scientology can’t avoid turning over her folders, Laura D. may be next.

 
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Scientology Paying Top Dollar for Google Ads

VICE magazine’s Johnny Lambo did some very clever calculating to figure out that Scientology is paying between $4 and $7 each time you click on Google Ads that appear when you enter certain keywords in searches.

Those are huge amounts compared to other religions, which pay between $0.55 (Judaism) and $2.77 (Baptist) each time you click on their keyword-based ads.

We’ve noticed before that Scientology has been pouring a lot of money into advertising, particularly after former executive Debbie Cook revealed in her infamous 2012 New Year’s Eve e-mail that Scientology leader David Miscavige had amassed a billion dollars in the International Association of Scientologists (IAS) defense fund, but didn’t seem to be spending much of it on advertising campaigns that brought in new people. Since then, there’s been a flood of ads on the Internet and television, culminating in this year’s Super Bowl ad. (Which probably cost a lot less than most journalists seemed to think.)

Lambo ended his piece with this funny note…

DISCLAIMER: I realize giving this information might make it seem like I’m saying you should go and google a bunch of Scientology-related terms and click the sponsored links to waste a bunch of their money. But you toooooooootally shouldn’t. This information is presented for entertainment purposes only and blah blah blah.

 
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Oklahoma Vote Watch

We hear that Oklahoma’s State Senate will vote this afternoon at 2:30 Eastern on SB 295 — or the Stacy Bill 295, as Robert Murphy likes to call it, after his daughter, Stacy Dawn Murphy, who perished at Scientology’s flagship drug rehab center, Narconon Arrowhead, last July.

Look for an afternoon story on it here at the Bunker.

 
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Denise Byrne

For as long as we can remember, we noticed that as soon as we put up a new post here at the Underground Bunker and made a note of it on Facebook, one of the first people who would react and start getting the word out about our stories was a Toronto ex-church member named Denise Byrne.

We were saddened to learn that Denise passed away on Friday after a short illness.

We are grateful for all the support we received from Denise, and we would love to hear more about her in the comments from people who knew her. Her son Adam Holland has announced that there will be a memorial service for her tomorrow afternoon at the Trull Funeral Home in Toronto.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on May 1, 2013 at 07:00

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  • FistOfXenu

    At attention, hat off to Denise Byrne and a minute’s silence.

    • Observer

      Rest in peace, Denise.

    • Sidney18511

      RIP Denise.

    • Midwest Mom

      Our hearts are heavy without Denise here. Sending much love and sincere condolences to her family.

    • Vistaril

      Brave Ex was brave. Peace be with those who knew and loved Denise.

    • MarionDee

      Attending the memorial in my heart.

    • Captain Howdy

      “When someone you love becomes a memory, the memory becomes a treasure.”

      RIP Denise

      • BuryTheNuts2

        That was beautiful Captain.

        • FLUNK_101

          Ditto.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Where you been El Flunko?

    • Mary_McConnell

      Thank you for mentioning this. ((HUGGS)) to Adam and his sister. Condolences can also be posted over on this thread http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?7122-Memorials-Thread-RIP-sad&p=801933&viewfull=1#post801933

    • N. Graham

      A light has gone out that makes the world seem a little darker, but look closer and you will see how much darkness has disappeared because of the light she bought. You will be missed Denise.

  • Observer

    So if the “church’s” best defense is screaming and kicking and crying that they just CAN’T CAN’T CAN’T release “priest-penitent” records (the fact that there *are* records kept should disqualify them from any religious protection), even though the penitent is the one who wants them released, and since that argument is like putting a huge neon We Have Lots of Evil Crap to Hide sign on Big Blue, they must really be desperate. And I see they’re comparing auditing to the Catholic confessional, even though that church neither charges for nor keeps records of its confessionals.

    It makes me wonder A) just what kind of horrors they really perpetrated on Laura, and B) if their claims of strict “clerical” confidentiality could open the door to testimony about how the integrity of their “confidentiality” isn’t so much like a bank vault as a sieve.

    • FistOfXenu

      Wouldn’t it be fun if the judge found out how many times $cientarCONon has violated their so-called confidentiality just so they could fair game somebody?

      • Ze Moo

        Exposing CO$ ‘fair gaming’ seems to be a tactic that Laura’s legal team is pursuing. California law excludes any priest penitent status where any third person has access to the ‘confession’. As huge numbers of people have access to any ‘confession’, confidentiality is not an issue. This could make precedent and open up a nice juicy can of woop ass.

        • richelieu jr

          IS that true about the third party stuff? If so, the whole 250+ people seeing the file kind of cooks them.. Oh please, please, please, please, please PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN!

    • richelieu jr

      Two things:

      — I actually think the confessional gambit is kind of brilliant, because even on-Christians and Jews ahve seen this idea enough in the media that it is a readily understandable concept for most people, who in the true American spirit will ask– “Sure the religion’s wacky, but shouldn’t they have the same rights I expect?”

      It thus requires someone who knows enough about the religion t know that that is total and t-utter bullshit to either rule against it or make an effective argument.
      Then, even if it goes down, they’ll be a certain support in the court of public opinion amongst people who have just kind of heard about the situation. I know- I used to be one of those people…

      — Even if they haven’t done anything particularly terrible to Laura (or left no evidence it he files), they certainly have to some, and letting this slide will inevitably result in an avalanche of similar suits, some very damning indeed…

      I might add that I fear the original reason for dismissal– the late filing– may indeed came back to haunt the case. I certainly hope not, but people have been executed for less…

      I would liek to add that I fear the original reason for dismissal, the time factor, may indeed come back to haunt the casse. Gos I hope not, but still….

    • ThetaBara

      Someone totally needs to make a “We Have Lots of Evil Crap to Hide” sign on that sign generator!

      • FistOfXenu

        At your service!

        • Sherbet

          Oh, for a hacker who could do that to the real sign!

          • FistOfXenu

            From your lips to Chanology’s ears?

        • Captain Howdy

          And….

        • ThetaBara

          Thank you!
          Very well done!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      I think their fear is the release of audit folders is one more step to the church losing its protection as a religion. If there is a court order that the priest penitant privilege is nonexistent because the folders are shared with hundreds of people, what does that mean? Goodby to any new members, and how do you continue to blackmail people if they can demand their folders and sue the cult for what is in there? There are so many uneducated people in the church, who knows what mistakes are in the files, or what Miscavige demanded be in there?

      The cult may have another problem regarding the files. If they think there could be another raid, they would want to shred the files. However, they have documented, under oath, that the files exist for Laura, and therefore presumably for all the millions of other members. If the files are not there, either for a raid or another court case, the cult would be in deep trouble. They claim the files are sacred and protected, yet they would shred them? (Not to mention that spoliation of evidence is a crime.)

      Of course, the issue may be that some bright spark may already have destroyed Laura’s files, and the lawyers are desperately trying to prevent that from coming out.

      • Observer

        Scientology: the Rocket Scientist “Religion”.

  • FistOfXenu

    And now,
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY BTN!

    • Observer

      Indeed!

    • hogarthian

      It’s BTN’s birthday?! Well that’s just fabulous……

    • sugarplumfairy

      Hurray! Hurray! It’s the first of May!! =)

      Perfect birthdate for our Bury..

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Awwww! Thanks to all of you. It is much appreciated.

      • Sherbet

        You look GREAT for 26!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Lol

      • Missionary Kid

        All our happy birthday wishes are well deserved. I’ve only been on this forum for a short time, but your witty comments are well appreciated. You’ve brightened up my day, day after day.
        Happy 26th. 🙂

      • FistOfXenu

        Your welcome. And thanks are due to my wife. She say what I was originally writing and “persuaded” me I better not. 🙂

        • richelieu jr

          Wow, I am so lucky I killed my wife before she could start doing things like that…

          • FistOfXenu

            I just laughed out loud. My wife just gave me THAT look. 😛

      • ParticleMom

        Happy Birthday to you,
        Happy Birthday to you.
        You look like an SP…
        And act like one, too!

    • Midwest Mom

      I hope you have a fun birthday, Suz! I found a recipe for a Tequila Sunrise Cake and thought it would be perfect for you. 😉

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yummy!

        • monkeyknickers

          Birthday girl!! Happy returns! Sushi soothes the soul. I hope you have a good place to go?

      • TheNextMrsTomCruise

        Hooray, it’s the Birthday of BTN! Happy, Happy, fellow Suz! I hope drunkenness will be part of the birthday celebration??? You are soooo funny when inebriated.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Oh hell yes…..I ought to be good for some serious stupid this evening…..after I go stuff myself with Sushi!

          • Tomato Thetan

            Happy Birthday, Bury!

          • Casabeca

            You make the Bunker more beautiful!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Wow, you guys are all too nice to me.
              I am totally sucking this up!!!

            • DeElizabethan

              Suck it up for you deserve it BTN. Tony should not charge you for posting either! You deserve free rein…. Angel and devil, well balanced dear one. Cheers!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              You are so sweet Dee!

            • DeElizabethan

              Now you’ve got me blushing. Cheers again to your birthday.

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            Happy birthday, I hope you are having a great day and great year!

    • Vistaril

      Oh, good. Not that I need a particular reason to have a snifter – or two – but since this is an occassion, I think I might upgrade to the cognac.

      • FistOfXenu

        I’ll be toasting the memory of Denise and the birthday of BTN. Repeatedly. 😉

        • Vistaril

          Me too . . . I’m actually using the candle I lit for Denise to gently warn the cognac before asking the Gods to smile upon them both today. As a pagan of the Celtic Druid tradition, I have a few Gods to thus address.

          • richelieu jr

            A whole bottle’s worth, I imagine!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            That sounds nice.

            • dbloch7986

              Happy birthday young lady!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Thanks Derek.

    • Captain Howdy

      HAPPY BIrtHDAy

      Wie alt sind Sie?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Same age as YOU!

        • LRH calculates your age as 423 quadrillion, 509 trillion, 834 billion, 167 million, 900 thousand, 327 years old, plus-or-minus the time spent in implant stations.

          • richelieu jr

            How many is that in dog years?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              LOL…Depends on the dog.

          • Missionary Kid

            But she looks like she’s only 26!

        • richelieu jr

          Wow! You guys are OLD!

          • FistOfXenu

            Not old, Cardinal, maturing. Like fine wine.

          • Captain Howdy

            Not old…ageless.

            http://youtu.be/6Hns-UAPGdI

            • richelieu jr

              Love Roky!
              Do you know the version by Julien Cope?
              Great bass line.. Roky’s sounds more like REM, I find…

            • Captain Howdy

              Yea, I use to have the Roky tribute album. Cope’s version is good, my favorite was the Sister Double Happiness version of “Two Headed Dog”. I read recently that Roky is doing well thanks to psych meds.

            • richelieu jr

              Yeah, I saw a doc on him, and actually worked a bit on that record (videos).. The version of ‘slip inside this house’ was good, too…

            • richelieu jr

              Yeah, I saw a doc on him, and actually worked a bit on that record (videos).. The version of ‘slip inside this house’ was good, too…

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Or preserved?

              Or pickled?

        • q-bird

          oy Yay! Happy Birthday Bury Love!!! May Day Fleurs 4 U ~

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Not a problem…lol

    • richelieu jr

      Someone actually voted down your birthday!

      That, BTN is one hell of present! Congrats and many more (b-days, that is!)

    • FistOfXenu

      And how did I miss this?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Oh, keeper!
        Whoo hoo.

  • TheNextMrsTomCruise

    I’m no lawyer, but if the bastion of $cientology, which is California, has allowed the case to get this far, that seems to bode well for Laura DeCrescenzo. I am postulating my a$$ off that the $ciloons are forced to turn over their docs. Too bad wee Davey’s Mom wasn’t forced into an abortion, we’d all be much better off.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Me too. They have certainly mutilated their own argument!

    • richelieu jr

      I actually suspect she was.. They tried and ripped the sympathetic, human half off, leaving him a nasty, twisted, sexist, arriviste, cut-throat little avorton….

      The good half can currently be seen in Game of Thrones

      (with apologies to the great Peter Dinklage)

  • sharon brown

    $cientology’s Falling down, Falling down, Falling down ! $cientology’s Falling down, my fellow SP’s! Sing it with me ! What a Fantastical way, to start the month of May ! I’m totally speechless with the “wins” I’ve gained this morning, I believe my stats will continue to go straight vertical for at least 2 days !! Thank you, Tony, COB of SP’s! I owe it All to you!

    • FistOfXenu

      A great way to start the month of MAYhem isn’t it? I have to admit the news blew me 500 ft out of my head with full perception. They tried to lecture the court on what violates the law and the court bitch smacked them. Good one!

    • MarionDee

      I had something similar in my head, about the walls finally falling inward (like in an earthquake), and crushing those who refused to get out …. I’m hoping that when those with one foot out the door, who are struggling privately with doubts, whisk out of the building before the inevitable goes down, because the center cannot hold for long.

      • richelieu jr

        Well, you seem to forget that it is a ‘Celbrity Centre’, my dear, and therefore exempt from any sort of bad things ever happening to it.

        • MarionDee

          Yes, I am, after all, just a non-star in this universe.

  • I only met Denise Byrne once when I helped her and Adam protest Scientology’s new compound near Toronto. She was quiet and polite, and in some ways it seemed Adam was assuming the role as parent. Adam and his Mother left Scientology, but Adam’s Father is still in the church and disconnected from him years ago. Just when a son could use his Father, the “church” has come between them. Tragedy upon tragedy.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      That is sad.

      • Observer

        Another heinous crime committed posthumously by LRH and his filthy living Renfield, DM.

        • richelieu jr

          Another down vote! Forsooth!

          • Now this is weird. I am not seeing any downvotes on anything. I am seeing the upvotes. Yesterday both up and down were visible.

          • FistOfXenu

            Wow! $cientarCONon must be in shit poor shape if Ethics is willing to settle for downvoting us to complete A to E. Time was when you had to deal an effective blow. Now you just have to give blowjobs.

            • DeElizabethan

              Fist, good one LOL!
              I’d say that’s as good as s/he can communicate, in hiding. Every down vote will bring many more up’s.

            • Rita Gregory

              I’ve been lurking around for a while now and when I saw the down arrows yesterday I decided to sign on and start hitting the up arrows!

            • DeElizabethan

              Hi Rita,
              Alright!. Welcome to the bunker and speaking out. Freedom is wonderful and this group is the very best as you already know. Nice to hear from you.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I love a good soldier. Rock on!

        • FistOfXenu

          aha, yes, Renfield. Good way of seeing DM. He just wants more fat juicy flies.

          • Casabeca

            Just Saturday I was starting to relax and close my eyes at the local salon/spa place, and where did my busy mind wander? To the Bunker, wonderingwhat you and all the regular gang look and sound like IRL.
            The mix of personalities, the wit and wackiness is a little addictive.
            I gotta get outside more!

        • richelieu jr

          Coincidentally I saw Filthy Living Renfield play Coachella…

          They were AWESOME!

        • Casabeca

          Instead of asking you for another explain, looked it up…how perfect a description!

    • MarionDee

      Pretentious as it is to riff on/rip off “Apocalypse Now,” I can only think “the cruelty, the cruelty.”

    • richelieu jr

      I see you have quite rightly been voted down for your humanity!

      Boo! Shame on you!

  • Thinking of Denise, and am thankful she found her way out of Scientology.

  • HeatherGraceful

    Rest in peace, Denise.

    And, more power to Laura D! I remember when Laura turned up at WhyWeProtest and began to tell her remarkable and very poignant story. I am deeply impressed with Laura’s resolve to bring the CoS to account for the horrific abuse she suffered at its hands. I do hope that the judgments of the courts throughout this proceeding are broadly distributed, starting with the decision reported today.

  • “… DeCrescenzo’s auditing records were compiled and reviewed by some 250 church officials — some of them people DeCrescenzo says she didn’t even know…” For example: in this Dallas storage locker, where any SP can rummage through them? LOL, privileged material my ass. (via WWP: https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/breaking-scientology-confidential-files.42578/page-14#post-1461019)
    http://youtu.be/R9nSZm_02TM

  • Truthiwant

    You can get Laura Decrescenzo’s story here on YouTube

    Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znti7gITZpg

    Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC8-YulbrA8

    As regards the ‘Freeloader’ bill that she was given and of course everybody else that
    leaves the Sea Org, is given, it might sound crazy to many people that somebody
    that was three years working in the RPF could possibly even think of paying
    money to an Organization that had tried to destroy you and had profited from
    your services practically for free in all those years in the Sea Org. The truth
    about this is that the Organization have managed to convince you (brain wash
    you) to believe that only they can guarantee your eternity and without them you
    are lost. For many people it takes years to understand what was really
    happening.

    • Midwest Mom

      What a brave lady. We’re rooting for you, Laura! You might not know how many people are standing with you in support, but we hope that you know that we’re with you 100% of the way!

      Team Laura.

      • aquaclara

        Echoing Midwest Mom’s excellent comments. Good luck, and we’re cheering for you. And pls point your lawyers to some of the comments here today that can further bolster your case, such as the lack of minister training, and the exposure of the Dallas Org’s storage facilities in 2009 if they don’t have it already.
        Wishing you the very best, Laura!

    • monkeyknickers

      Every time I read about “freeloader debt” in the church, I kind of short circuit. All my well articulated, elegant arguments against the CoS telescope into one overriding sentiment.

      This is total fucking horseshit.

      • FistOfXenu

        You’re right monkeyknickers. Especially when you think $cientarCONon was founded by a chronic freeloader that lived his life with his hand out. The only outstanding feature of his “heroic” naval career (besides sinking Mexico and the entire Pacific Nazi fleet) was how many begging letters he wrote to the govt to try and scam them out of more benefits. Even in his affirmations he admits he was faking health problems. And the whole way he set up the money flow in the cult was so he could live his whole life freeloading on the victims of his horseshit. You could make a career documenting how LRH and his evil shadow DM like to accuse other people of doing what $cientarCONon really does.

        • richelieu jr

          You forget that he did miraculously cure his fake health problems with his fake religion..

          So there is that!

          • FistOfXenu

            Hell, I must be slipping. I got all tied up in which of his lies are which. No wonder he couldn’t keep them straight.

        • monkeyknickers

          First: “sinking Mexico” Big HA!!

          And then: what are these “affirmations”? Where did they come from? I see them referenced but I don’t know precisely what they . . . . well, ARE.

          • q-bird

            I’m sure someone will post a link for you girl – But – Gerry Armstrong found a bunch of Ron’s personal journals while researching for his ‘church’ sanctioned biography. Contained within all the papers he found something called the Affirmations -or- Admissions – these were hand written ‘notes’ by LRH in all his sorry-a$$, sick & deluded glory ie. Gerry found some ‘Source’ – oh man yes he found some truth! These are his shitty diary-like thoughts that he drilled himself on – google is your friend monkeyknickers.

            there ya go – the Captain’s on it.

          • Captain Howdy
            • monkeyknickers

              Thank you!

            • Captain Howdy

              You’re welcome.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Oh, you are in for a real treat here!

            • monkeyknickers

              I’m all a-tremor. Too bad it’s 830AM here or I could enjoy this moment with a cocktail. Diving in!

          • Observer

            Ask and you shall receive. Also, hold on to your hat. This stuff is simultaneously hilarious, horrifying, pathetic and revolting.

            http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/ars/ars-2000-03-11.html

            Edit: Jinx, Cap’n!

            • monkeyknickers

              Well, I read Hubbard’s affirmations. I am not okay. Obs, you picked just the right adjectives. What a sorry sorry man he was. Not to mention – a total spoiled brat.

              But – have these been entered into evidence and that’s how we know about them? Why would the church not have already shredded them?

            • Observer

              It’s all in the intro Gerry Armstrong wrote at the beginning of the Admissions. He absconded with these and many other damning documents when he blew. He had been appointed as a Hubbard historian of sorts, but when he started seeing stuff like this, and finding out how much of what Hubbad said about himself were utter lies, he took off. Here’s a link to a fairly recent interview, if you feel like going down another rabbit hole.

              http://maisonneuve.org/article/2008/03/1/scientologys-defier/

          • FistOfXenu

            Check here
            http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/ars/ars-2000-03-11.html
            The quote I meant about scamming the govt is this “You do not have malaria. When you tell people you are ill it has no effect upon your health. In the Veterans examination you will tell them how sick you are. You will look sick when you take it. You will
            return to health one hour after the examination and laugh at them”

            There’s also pdfs available if you google.

        • Bob

          FOX, when I was on board with the Hubb he worked hard every day. No easy life for him. He was managing Scn int, working every day with groups like the Appollo Stars, listening to America’s top 40 records, CSing folders, writing new auditing tech and HCOBs, walking the decks with a bevy of under aged cuties, CSing the music groups and riding motor cycles. It was a tough life for him, living on that Ferry boat.

          I would like too point out that when trying to determine how much the church rakes in, there has been no estimate of how much freeloader income increases the coffers every year. That is totally found money as no one has to deliver any service for that. It would be great to find out how many ex-staff are currently paying off their freeloader debts. What a tremendous source of extra income for the church. And a massive out exchange against the poor ex-staff member who now not only has nothing to show for all their hard work but has a debt with the church to boot.

          • grundoon

            “There has been no estimate of how much freeloader income increases the
            coffers every year. That is totally found money as no one has to deliver
            any service for that.”

            Do payments on the “freeloader debt” disappear straight into the RTC black hole? Does some of the money go to the org that delivered the service?

            • Bob

              I am not sure. The money is not collected by the org. It is collected by a central SO finance Office. But I suspect it goes straight to the SO main account.

          • richelieu jr

            Don’t forget the endless hours with his lips in ‘duck-bill’ press machine.. That had to hurt…

            Man, you got THREE down votes for yours! I’m jealous, Bob!

            • Bob

              RJ,
              Well if I understand you right (duck-bill press machine) I think he had is young messengers perform that task. I am not really familiar with that machine.

              I think the three downs come from the fact that some commenters still don’t get my humor and think I am serious. But in fact Hubbard was doing all those things when I was on the ship. At the time I was smitten with one of the messengers. I swear he was hell bent on creating heaven on that ship. 🙂

            • richelieu jr

              Yeah man, nice work if you can get it, huh?

            • richelieu jr

              Oh, and I was referring to his weird, duck-like lips, making a dumb joke about him pressing them to get them that way in a special machine… (people have a hard time getting my humour a lot, too..)

        • “You could make a career documenting how LRH and his evil shadow DM
          like to accuse other people of doing what $cientarCONon really does.”

          Speaking of which, I noticed yesterday in the tapes of Hubbard’s insane gibbering about implant stations on Mars and Venus that he sure talks a lot in generalities. As always, Scientologists are working 24/7 on Hubbard’s case, and not their own.

          • FistOfXenu

            And then 1 day, they discover there never was any such a thing as their own case. It was always about LRH being obsessed with himself and wanting everybody else to join in.

      • Spackle Motion

        I may need a break from Scientology watching because every evil thing they do doesn’t surprise me anymore. It’s a given that they take every opportunity to abuse because it is built in their DNA.

  • Real Shellback

    “Laura DeCrescenzo started working as a staff member for the Church of Scientology at only nine years of age, and at 12 she joined the Sea Org, signing its billion-year contract. For the next 13 years (from 1991 to 2004) she was like other Sea Org employees — utterly dedicated, working 100-hour weeks for pennies an hour and enduring harsh interrogations about every aspect of her private life.”

    I’m sorry, this is a description of child abuse. Having a minor sign a lifetime service contract should be more than enough for CPS to be breaking down somebody’s door. Children should never be inflicted with that kind of obligation, I understand Hubbard told his followers that children are just billion year old spirits pretending to be children, what rot! Steal the childhood from a person and you reduce that person. We NEED our childhood. That’s were imagination and innovation live. Robbing a person of their chance to be a child and grow into adulthood is a very high crime in my book.

    • SS

      Evidently, allowing a group that has been granted religious status (thanks again Fred Goldberg) to hide behind the first amendment takes precedent over the endless abuse of children by that group.

      Regardless of religion, law, or the courts – right is right and wrong is wrong. And it’s very wrong, and just flat out mind-boggling that the church continues to get away with their abuse of children in the year 2013. You’re only left to believe US authorities are too incompetent, spineless, or corrupt to do anything about it.

      • Real Shellback

        Au contraire! The IRS has no power to grant religious status. Scientology members will tell you this so called “fact.” I’ve been informed this many times, but its a myth. The IRS can no more grant the religious status of an origination than you or I can. What they actually did was grant tax exemptions citing religious grounds. It’s a subtle difference by some standards; I think it’s profound in understanding Scientology and it’s relationship with the IRS and the US Government in general .

        Now that being said -even if Scientology WERE a religion, blessed by the most holy sepulchre of the IRS offices, they still have no right to commit illegal acts against anyone and clearly do not have a right to violate the civil rights of children by coursing them to sign lifetime service contracts.

        • Missionary Kid

          AMEN!!!

          • Casabeca

            Have you ever heard of any religious org in the US that would even allow children under 18 to be the equivalent of nuns or priests, or ministers of any kind?

            • Real Shellback

              Yes one, but we already know who that is don’t we? 😉

            • Casabeca

              Too true!

            • Missionary Kid

              Actually, if you look at the child evangelists that Christian Churches. Consider the children that were involved with Jonestown, and the FLDS children, with their Lost Boys.

              While they don’t qualify as priests, they live under similar brainwashing conditions. There are also kids that are home schooled who are abused because outside knowledge is kept from them in the bubble they’re raised in.

            • Casabeca

              Yes, MK. I recently became aware of a group who identify as survivors of Quiverfull/home school extremism. As you know, so much childhood pain in the name of God or religion or idealism.
              And I had forgotten about the pint sized revivalists.My hubs and I volunteer for child abuse prevention. So much to be done, so many odd places to look for it too.
              May they all find peace and freedom.

            • Missionary Kid

              Another form of abuse, IMHO, is parents living off their children, but don’t allow them to be children. Some are treated harshly, and others, like Honey Boo Boo, are spoiled like hell. To me, that’s another form of neglect. I’d hate to see what she’s going to be like when
              she grows up.

            • Rebecca

              Once again, I agree with you 100%. But a well-raised child is a beautiful thing. Usually ;).

            • Missionary Kid

              I can say that after being teenagers, I let mine survive. They’ve turned out well in spite of me. 😉

            • RMycroft
            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. I couldn’t remember Marjoe’s name. Too bad that his expose of evangelists didn’t take beyond a few years.

        • SS

          Shellback, let me ask you this – does the fact that Scientology was given tax exemption on religious grounds by the IRS give their use of the first amendment in US courts additional power? Would US courts even have to recognize the “church” as a religious body had the IRS not done that, or does the IRS ruling have no bearing? It’s cool if you don’t know for sure.

          And yes, right is right and wrong is wrong. Were Christ himself to ascend from the sky and start handing out servitude contracts to 12 year olds – it would still be WRONG.

          • Real Shellback

            Well I don’t know – I have an opinion. I have a layperson notion of how the law works and the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. It covers three things, freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of assembly. I don’t think the IRS has the power to affect Scientology’s use of the First Amendment. It seems to me that the IRS is not a body that interprets the law (other than tax code.) All they do is collect taxes. So – no, in my opinion, the IRS decision gives no weight to any argument by Scientology that they have any more power in the courts.

            And when did the courts recognize Scientology as a religion in the first place? They might say in effect “OK, you guys can do this or that for reasons of religion.” But I don’t see why a court would use the IRS decision to recognize that Scientology is a religion, any more than they might label any non-profit.

    • Casabeca

      Yes, yes,yes! Any contract before 18 seems like it should be null and void. If he/she cannot join the military for 3 years, why oh why can he/she be enslaved to a cult for a billion years, starting now?

  • Vistaril

    Scientology is, as always, lying through its teeth when saying that its “Confessionals”, or indeed any other “service”, are kept secret. There is plenty of “scripture” which proves the lie. Apart from the explicit instructions scattered throughout various OSA Network Orders (including original GO Orders goiing back to the 1960s), another, explicit, instruction can be found in HCO Policy Letter of 10 March 1982 – CONFESSIONALS – ETHICS REPORTS REQUIRED. In that “scripture”, L Ron Hubbard reminds “Auditors” . . .

    . . . Thus, when a minister discovers that a pc has knowledge of an overt or crime
    against Scientology or against the codes of the Church but has not reported the matter
    to Ethics, this should be handled as a withhold and must be the subject of an
    ethics report. This applies both to HCO Confessionals and to any other session.

    OFFENSES AGAINST SCIENTOLOGY OR ITS CODES BY ANOTHER
    PERSON THAN THE PC, MUST BE REPORTED TO ETHICS FOR INVESTIGATION
    (EVEN IF ONLY SUSPECTED OR WHEN FULL FACTS ARE NOT KNOWN).

    This is important because persons who get off their own overts have a higher responsibility
    level than those who don’t and these last, who don’t get off their overts, are sometimes
    only detectable and handleable by the reports of others . . .

    (Caps in original – bold underline emphasis mine)

    There you have it: the name and offences, even if only suspected, of any one (including children, parents, employers, employees – anyone) mentioned “in session” are to be noted by the Auditor who must then file an
    “Ethics Report” for further investigation and or any other use as Scientology sees fit. That is Scientology’s version of the “priest/penitant privilege” its shysters are seeking to defend and all KSW Auditors everywhere are guilty of allowing.

    Its frustrating to see Scientology’s lawyers doing such a good job in dragging this out, defending Scientology’s system of extortion by procedure rather than merit. Still, even the most despicable individuals and organisations deserve the assumption of innocence and remain entitled to competent legal representatation in what ever form the law permits. Wogs call that sort of thing justice; Scientology refers to it only as a chance to further fair game and exhaust the emotional and financial resources those who stand opposed to its totalitarian machinations. For more on how this works, and why Scientology has been found, more than once, to be a particularly vexatious litigant cf: RTC v. Robin Scott, U. S. District Court, Central District of California, No. 85-711-JMI (Bx) 85-7197-JMI (Bx), January 20, 1993, Memorandum of Decision.

    So, in this case, once again, the wheels of justice grind as slowly as Scientology can arrange, I hope, as in all cases, they grind exceedngly fine.

    • Vistaril

      Just looking through some of the paperwork attached to this case. One which particularly struck me was the mendacious nonsense spouted by Warren McShane in his declaration of 6 March 2013. At para 39, McShane states:

      . . . This belief [past and future lives] is also reflected in how the Church handled [sic] auditing files of parishoners even when he or she leave the Church and decides he or she does not want to be a member anymore. The folders pertaining to his or her auditing are maintained in the utmost confidence and care. The Church has a very strong desire to ensure that all spiritual beings survive because we understand the eternal nature of the spiritual being, we look beyond one lifetme of the person. Indeed, when a parisioner dies, his folder is maintained in a secure and confidential manner so that he may use it in future lifetimes consistent with the belief in Scientology that an individual is an immortal spiritual being with many temporal lifetimes. There is a great amount of sanctity that is attached to the parisioner’s folders in the Church. They are unlike any other type of files ever maintained. These folders are deeply religious in nature and cannot be disclosed without violating the fundamental religious tenets of the Church of Scientology. In fact, the unauthorized disclosure ofsomeone’s PC folder is one of the most serious ecclesiastical crimes within the Church, known as a Suppressive Act . . .

      ORLY?

      http://youtu.be/R9nSZm_02TM

      • He says the folders are maintained so they may be used in future lifetimes. So who exactly has used their folder in a subsequent lifetime?

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        An interesting defense- in effect, the church is arguing “we have to keep the folders secret for the good of the spiritual beings’ future lifetimes.” The Mormons tried this and lost big time. It was their practice to convert individuals who lived in previous centuries. This was an offensive practice, particularly to religions that believe in the eternal soul or reincarnation. At any rate, the Mormons were forced to stop the practice.

        I think the church knows there’s a good chance it will lose the state Supreme Court petition. What is their urgency? A penitent will see her own files? Wow, how damaging! I think there will be an offer on the table on the 16th, and it will have a lot of zeros.

        • richelieu jr

          The Mormons are still doing it, though, they’re just not supposed too.

  • Sherbet

    A cup of coffee and another chip in cos’s phony legal facade. That’s the way I like to start my day.

    And I wish “Peace” to all who mourn Denise Byrne.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I hope Laura takes a huge chunk of Scientology ass!

    • Sherbet

      And, PLEASE, no secret monetary settlements with NDAs. Let this blow up publicly and loudly!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yeah, can you imagine 250 people seeing your PC folder. I don’t care HOW they try to spin that….it is just ludicrous.
        I feel bad for everybody who has ever been audited.

        • Sherbet

          Especially when we think of what kinds of “crimes” are written in those folders: embarrassing, best-forgotten and self-forgiven incidents. Confession is supposed to bring catharsis, not provide fodder for blackmail.

          • Missionary Kid

            ” Confession is supposed to bring catharsis, not provide fodder for blackmail.” Not in Co$. The whole purpose of auditing is to bind the person to Co$, and blackmail is only one part of the strategy.

        • Observer

          I wonder if Marty is following Elron’s Share PC Folder Contents With Everyone Who’s Breathing “scripture”.

          • Sherbet

            Poor deluded squirrels.

          • monkeyknickers

            I think Marty is right on the edge of ditching the Old Man completely.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I have hope!

            • Observer

              I hope so, for everyone’s sake.

            • Sherbet

              Really? I don’t often read Marty because I can’t stand the pro-Tech comments, but I’ve admired him for being up-front about his beliefs and his revelations about cos and cob. Why do you think Marty is teetering? (Is he selling his emeter on ebay??)

            • monkeyknickers

              I have a hard time reading things there, too.

              It’s just a guess but . . . more and more, he openly and sincerely criticizes basic church doctrine. Basic as in “Source”. And full on criticizes Hubbard himself. I mean, it’s takes a long time to be okay with the fact that you’ve devoted your life to a fleshy, dopey, pathological liar who happened to express a few valid points (borrowed from others, incidentally) I can’t even imagine the mental gymnastics involved.

            • Sherbet

              Hot dog! monkeyknickers.

            • I had a thought about why it takes so long to deprogram from scientology. Just blue sky conjecture. It’s this: What if the dwell time required to release the embedded viewpoints and attitudes is based on some biological process? For instance, the time required for cell death and replacement in the brain?

              Just suppose, the scientology mind warp somehow actually forms semi-permanent neural -net connections, perhaps reinforced by the constant training, study and the low level electrical influence of the e-meter current? And that the persistence of these programmed connections is based not on the normal fluidity of perceptions but has a more durable biological basis.

              This connects for me with a tidbit of information about yawning. Evidently yawning is a way to directly cool the brain by opening the sinus and drawing in cooler air. Why cool the brain? Perhaps the extra heat of the brain is caused by making/breaking biochemical bonds and pathways in the brain tissue? Thus the association of yawning with study.

              So, given the average life of cells, time for replacement, etc., An average of 10 years or so to deprogram completely from scientology. It was about 10-12 years from my first major upset with an injustice in scientology until I finally stepped away from its system.

              I think it takes a major shock to stop the ongoing forming of the neural connections, but the existing ones take some time to die.

              Therapy and critical examination hasten the process, but if you are not directly examining the programming, which is itself re-forming neural connections, you can hold onto the scientology mindset for a long time.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              This is an interesting posit! Impressive thought process MLT.
              Now you’ve got me wondering if some of these dots may not truly connect.

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t believe that it’s a matter of neurological death of cells. The problem is not with the physiological, but psychological.

              Why deprogramming takes so long, IMO, is because Co$ redefines terms at the beginning of a person’s contact with the cult. They pound those Co$ definitions into a person’s head so that every time the person hears a term used, they understand it in the Co$-approved definition, not in the way it would be defined in the rest of the world.

              What “word clear” really means is that one clears out every other definition for a term. What (as I remember it) S.I. Hayakawa talked about was “areas of meaning” for a word or phrase. Once Co$ gets done with a person, the area of meaning for a term becomes very narrow, and a person stops to relate with the rest of society.

              The next thing that happens is that a person is taught that whatever Co$ says is right, and the rest of the damned (because they don’t believe in the superiority of Co$) world is wrong.

              Cells don’t have to die and be replaced for learning to take place, but when so many of one’s references lead to the definitions provided by Co$, what is necessary is for the person to go back to square one and redefine all of their terms the way the rest of society does. What they would be doing then is, in essence, reverse word clearing.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              MK, he seems to speaking of a biological basis of ” shedding” , as opposed to learning.
              MIT has already discovered that memories are stored in specific brain cells and that triggering a cluster of neurons they could force a recall of a specific memory.
              And yes, they are really called Engrams!

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m aware of the non-$cio use of engrams, but my point is that death of neurons is not necessary to unlearn something.

              It’s my understanding that single neurons don’t store memories, but networks do. That being said, in essence, it would take the death of a huge amount of neurons to deprogram a person leaving Co$.

              We learn and unlearn things all through our lives. Deprogramming is simply unlearning, or learning to do things in a different manner. Because the learning of the Co$ way of doing things is so intense, the unlearning also can be intense if it takes place in a short period of time.
              Edit: Unlearning something so deeply ingrained is like trying to remove a tumor that has invaded an organism. It has infiltrated into areas that often are hard to see.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I understand your point, but I do not dismiss his thoughts on this quite so easily.
              I personally have a problem ” unlearning”.
              To me, it is like trying to unsee something.
              So some of what he said strikes a “what if” chord with me.
              And we still know very little in the big scheme of how the brain works.

            • Missionary Kid

              O.K., to me, “unlearning” is simply reprogramming associations. It’s kind of like changing or reprogramming a computer’s volatile memory.

              If it wasn’t possible to reprogram neural networks, then the brain would, in essence, be stuck with what was originally learned if the brain was filled up with memories. Instead, the brain “forgets” a lot of older or unreinforced memories to make room for new ones.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Oh I love talking about this stuff. I have to go now…but I will be back….because of something you just said in this post….

            • Missionary Kid

              What Michael Leonard Tilse is espousing is the mistaken belief that thoughts produce energy. Thoughts are composed of energy, but they don’t produce it. The e-meter doesn’t measure thoughts, but second order [edit and third order] results of thoughts.

              The whole yawning thing is, again, a side issue, and not a direct indicator. It has nothing to do with the direct ability to think. It’s also done when a person isn’t studying.

              Cell life also has nothing to do with deprogramming, I argue but the time it takes it is a measure of how deep and thorough the indoctrination is.

              I maintain that Michael has had his view of psychology reduced to the totally mechanistic view of it that LRH espoused. That’s what I’m objecting to. It’s also a prime example of how much misinformation is pumped into $cions.

              Yes, there are biological underpinnings, but they are much more distributed and subtle than the simplistic views that Michael seems to try to espouse. He needs to take some wogworld psychology and physiology courses, or at least do some reading.

            • Missionary Kid

              Dualism is a construct that does have some usage in trying to describe things (I’m referring to the mind/body dualism), but as far as I’m concerned, one might just as well say that a computer has a soul, then define what a soul is in terms of electrons and programming.

              Scientists are, with the help of MRIs and other devices, able to describe, in general terms, how the mind works, and the firing of synapses can be detected, but exactly how the neural networks develop is way beyond the capabilities of science at this time.

              Frightening though: when if becomes possible to track exactly how thoughts are developed, the world of I Can Remember it for You Wholesale (movie: Total Recall) become possible. Memory implants. Ya want some?

            • villagedianne

              Marty has stepped away from finding excuses for everything bad that “the old man” did, and is now willing to see some faults in LRH. He still has a ways to go. My daydream is for Marty to investigate claims from LRH Jr. and others close to LRH in the early days, that LRH did not invent the tech All By Himself. Stole much of it actually, according to these folks.

            • Spackle Motion

              My daydream is for Marty to completely renounce everything he’s written and said that was pro-Scientology, and for him to apologize and publicly disclose everything evil thing he did in the name of LRH.

              But it remains a dream. This guy will never get his head out of his ass.

            • Ze Moo

              The statute of limitations may be the deciding factor in any tell all. Too bad, I bet he has some great evidence…. I mean stories……

            • FistOfXenu
        • elar aitch

          Hmmmm….wonder how Tom, Kirsty and John feel ’bout that….

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          And 249 of the 250 have left the cult and have volunteered to testify. That is the nightmare the cult faces. Imagine, Laura gets the files, she sees that the cult has lied as to the identities of the 250, they have listed only current members instead of the 249 of the 250 who have left the cult……Laura calls a few, and they volunteer to testify that the files are kept in a unlocked shed and the gardeners read the files on their lunch breaks……

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          And 249 of the 250 have left the cult and have volunteered to testify. That is the nightmare the cult faces. Imagine, Laura gets the files, she sees that the cult has lied as to the identities of the 250, they have listed only current members instead of the 249 of the 250 who have left the cult……Laura calls a few, and they volunteer to testify that the files are kept in a unlocked shed and the gardeners read the files on their lunch breaks……

      • 1subgenius

        As the old joke goes, “We are all whores, and just quibbling about the price.”
        Hypotheticals suck. If the pile of cash in front of of you is high enough no one can truly say they wouldn’t drop that puppy off the tall building….
        There is no shame in this. We even assign monetary value to limbs and lives.
        This, in fact, is why CoS footbullets increase the settlement value of a case.
        If they go to trial and lose, there is no NDA, so when they fail to get it dismissed (by spending a ton to try) they have no alternative.
        And it depends on what (else) there is to disclose.
        In Laura’s, and many others’, case there isn’t anything left to not disclose since its in the pleadings and discovery..
        Maybe the settlement amount, but meh.

        • Sherbet

          I agree with you, 1sub, that it’s probably very difficult for an ex not to take the money and run, just to put an end to the legalities and to close the door on his/her experiences with cos. I don’t fault anyone for doing it, but, if I had my druthers and wishes came true and all that, it would be absolutely delicious to watch a lawsuit unfolding with the cos being forced to bleed their nasty secrets all over the courts and the media, and — why not really dream? — DM squirming in a witness chair.

    • dbloch7986

      Ass-ets

  • BosonStark

    “The Superior Court had ruled that because DeCrescenzo’s auditors shared
    her “confessions” with others, such as case supervisors, examiners, and
    directors of processing, there is no priest-penitent privilege under
    California statute — the law says the privilege applies only if the
    priest is not allowed to communicate with anyone else, not even another
    priest.”

    That’s an important distinction, as their religious cloaking unravels. There’s still a slight catch- 22 in that their lying and even manufacturing crimes about people who threaten KSW is an ecclesiastical directive in Sciloontology. After all, they’re going to be the law one day. I find it hard to believe that the cult would preserve Laura’s folders without trying to tamper with their contents.

    Hopefully, these cases will help Scientology’s religious facade crumble around them, in the eyes of the law, and the tax department, as well as help the individuals get some justice.

    • Ruby

      I would like to say also that these people, such as examiner and director of processing, are NOT all ministers. In order to become a minister of the church, one must do the specific Minister’s Course and graduate in order to be certified as a legal minister. Auditors are supposed to do this course before they are permanently posted as an auditor in the organization. It is rare to never that anyone other than the auditor or case supervisor (who is also auditor trained) does this course. So if they are saying that all those people who looked at Laura’s folders are ministers…I would ask to see their Minister’s certificate. In most cases, it won’t exist.

      • Ze Moo

        Co$ will make up any ‘documentation’ that supports their position. Minister Certs are already made up and Laura’s pc folder has probably been cleaned up. Messing with evidence is going to be Davey’s downfall here.

        • Ruby

          You are right about that. On the minister certifications, they would also have to produce the actual course checksheet that was used, where every entry on the course was signed off by the student as having been done…as well as an attestation at the end of the checksheet, done by the course supervisor that supervised the student and examiner that did the final check. All of these documents are supposed to be kept in the students files. For ALL those “priests” that looked at Laura’s folder…that is a heck of a lot of documentation!

          • RMycroft

            Sounds like a lot of paperwork for a 900 minute course.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Exactly.

        • monkeyknickers

          But . . how? Surely the poor people around him won’t testify to that?

          • Ruby

            monkeyknickers, You’d be surprised how far some will go. Did you see the Anderson Cooper interview with the “I know every square inch of his body” Ex-wives? Complete lies…on national tv.
            Mary Rieser of Narconon fame, lying. ANYTHING is possible for kool-aid drinkers when they think they are “doing the greatest good”.

    • ?It shows that the COS has no understanding history and rationale underpinning the priest-penitent privilege.

      The privilege has its roots in the Catholic sacrament of Confession. In Catholic belief the priest is sitting in the place of Jesus (not that he is Jesus just that the person doing the confessing needs to hear a verbal response that his/her sins are forgiven). The priest is forbidden to divulge anything he has heard in confession to anyone – he cannot tell another priest, his bishop or even the Pope (the absolute rule of nondisclosure is called the Seal of Confession) and the church takes this very seriously. A priest who violates the Seal of Confession can be removed from the priesthood and excommunicated from the Church. Priests have been executed by civil authorities because they have refused to break the Seal of Confession.

      The fact that the COS admits that around 250 people reviewed the files makes their assertion of the privilege ludicrous. Their attorneys should be concerned that they might be sanctioned for filing a frivolous appeal.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Jeeez.. “…she gulped down a cup of bleach in what appeared to be a suicide attempt…”

    These are the stories that bother me the most.. the ones who are forced to grow up in this oppressive, depressing world.. The children, who by virtue of being born to idealistic, brow-beatable, malleable parents, wind up in a situation where they are turned into bullying, moneymaking ronbots with no chance of a normal human life..

    So frkng disturbing..

    • TheNextMrsTomCruise

      SPF, in your nursely opinion, would bleach drinking help me lose weight? The carb blocking pills aren’t working.

      • Sherbet

        You need a nurse to give you the answer to that question?? Walk away from the cleaning fluids, Mrs. TC, just walk away.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Sherb gives good advice.. Step away from the cleaning products.. Stepping away from the third, fourth and fifth mango mojitos works too.. =)

      • richelieu jr

        I hear Freddie Quell can make some mean drinks with that stuff!

  • Pepsicat

    I have to wonder if Dave is going PTS Type IV yet.

    PTS Type IV: When enemies, ghosts, police and FBI REALLY ARE after you.

    • Sherbet

      It’s been driving me crazy not to know what’s going on Chez Dave in the past few months.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Me too! Gosh I wish we had a Davey cam!
        Would that not be righteous!

        • sugarplumfairy

          There’d be more fights and screaming than RHONJ..

        • Sherbet

          Something unobtrusive and discreet, like a Squirrel Buster’s hat cam? LOL

  • BuryTheNuts2

    That Google Ad story is sure proving fun!….you know, like to read I mean.
    Because that is all I would ever do….yeah, just read it….m’kay

    • Shannon

      I will just read…. For your birthday…. in honor of the nuts…

  • Ze Moo

    “Those are huge amounts compared to other religions, which pay between
    $0.55 (Judaism) and $2.77 (Baptism) each time you click on their
    keyword-based ads.” Should it not be ‘baptist” keywords for $2.77??

    Oklahoma, it’s time to do the right thing.

    Rip Denise Byrne.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Downer’s back.. I say we all just completely ignore the drastic drop in temperature and up-arrow our butts off.. Up arrows for everybody!!!

    • hogarthian

      I’ll be first with that then, shall I?

    • John P.

      We are in the presence of a homo novis with Sooper Powerz who is showing them off by anonymously down-voting our comments. They are really doing their part to clear the planet by “confronting and shattering” suppression. Once the down-vote hits on my comment, I am probably going to go off and catch the flu and die somewhere.

      • sugarplumfairy

        hopefully not alone and in the dark, though..

        • Sherbet

          John P alone? With all those supermodels to comfort him (in the dark, yet)?

        • FistOfXenu

          Course not! We’ll all be there together.
          Hey, that reminds me of another song.

      • Missionary Kid

        LOL. Notice that “confronting” is somehow done anonymously, which means it’s not confronting.

        In clamworld, up is down and down is up, and words only have meaning that Co$ gives them.

        • Observer

          And despite this ultra-powerful LRH jutsu, the joking and degrading continue unabated while we dirty degraded wogs remain unshattered and unable to detect any confront whatsoever.

          • Missionary Kid

            AMEN!!! HAIL XENU!!!

            • Missionary Kid

              It will be interesting to see if they put a down arrow on my post mentioning the entheta character.

            • FistOfXenu

              THANK YOU MK! And bless you my child!

        • FistOfXenu

          “Notice that “confronting” is somehow done anonymously, which means it’s not confronting”
          That needed to be repeated.

        • aquaclara

          Lol once again, and hard to hide from those working around us.
          Even the down-stat Tiddlywinker has to be laughing by now…..

          • Missionary Kid

            If they’re a hardcore clam, there is no humor, unless it’s a TC type evil laugh.

      • Truthiwant

        Here’s a thought…
        OSA have got a Sea Org member to down arrow all the comments but maybe this fellow, after reading a few dozen of them, will wake up and say “Shit, they’re right!”

        • Ze Moo

          I think many of the ronbots who are sent to do penance by commenting or trolling anti-davey sites and articles are headed out the door. “Entheta” is much more powerful then ‘theta’.

        • Unfortunately, I don’t think they’re reading the comments. They’re down-arrowing happy birthday ffs. Sad.

          • Truthiwant

            It certainly looks very silly with everybody on -1

      • richelieu jr

        I hope nobody votes one of my comments down.. I just don’t know if I could take it… All my anti-$cilon bluster would shatter in a million pieces in front of their confront, and I’d be.. bereft, bewildered, left to wander the streets in search of…?

        An omen?

        A…sign? Yes!

        That’s it, a glowing sign saying, “Lost? Confused? Come in!…”

        • Missionary Kid

          Excellent sarcasm.

          • FistOfXenu

            Yup. Sarcasm is an important ingredient of J&D since every day is J&D Olympics Day in the Bunker. In fact our chief weapon is sarcasm…sarcasm and mockery…mockery and sarcasm…. our 2 weapons are mockery and sarcasm…and ruthless ridicule…. our *3* weapons are mockery, sarcasm and ruthless ridicule…and an almost fanatical devotion to the truth…. our *4*…no… *among* our weapons…. Among our weaponry…are such elements as mockery, sarcasm…. I’ll come in again

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym0MObFpTI

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Never mind. You’ve spoiled the mood.

            • FistOfXenu

              Sorry I’ll try to be more serious minded.

            • Missionary Kid

              When a troll posts something ridiculous, it shuts them up to say “Excellent sarcasm.”
              If a person is being real, posting the same thing is taken as praise, like you did.
              The reply takes care of a lot of posts that can be taken either way, because how someone replies shows who they really are.
              BTW, Sec Check = modern Inquisition.
              I’ve got CRIMES against Co$, COB, LRH, DM, $cientology, and Dianutty.

              Don’t even bother to sec check me, ’cause it’s all appropriately negative to the evil empire called $cientology.

            • FistOfXenu

              You’re right. No sec check for you. TO THE HOLE!
              The swimming hole. When I was a kid I loved playing hooky on a day like this to head for the pond near my house. So off you go MK. You can confess your crimes to the fish. Sorry, no clams.

            • Sherbet

              Gosh, how quaint! Where did you grow up, Fist — Walton’s Mountain?

            • FistOfXenu

              Not quite but it may as well been. But we went pretty rural once the old man left the military. Just to get away for a while. We were surrounded by farms and farmers and my parents ran a mom and pop supply store til they decided what to do next.

            • Sherbet

              That’s a nice childhood, FistMan.

            • Truthiwant

              Monty Python’s comedy stands the test of time. They would have done a great spoof on Scientology!

              When I was 11 years old my family knew a person that worked for the BBC and once, we all got tickets to a Monty Python television production. I remember them having problems with a scene and the audience had to sit and wait until it was resolved, but the brilliant John Cleese,after a bit, entertained the audience with an ad-lib stand up. Very funny.

            • Spackle Motion

              Wow, were you lucky. I consider that story like someone telling me that they saw the Beatles perform when they were a kid. I worship Monty Python.

              The closest I’ll ever get to that was watching Eric Idle’s stage show that included Tracy Ullman, Eric Idle, Russell Brand, Billy Connelly, and Eddie Izzard, and I saw it from near the front row. But that is not a good comparison.

            • Truthiwant

              My Father wanted to get tickets for a Beatles concert but was concerned about safety with all the people crowding in to the hall and in the end decided against. In those days they used Odeon Cinemas for the concerts.

            • John P.

              About three years ago, the surviving Pythons attended a premiere in NYC of a documentary of their life called “Monty Python: Almost the Truth (The Lawyer’s Cut).” I was in the audience. You had to know somebody in some sort of film producer’s trade group to get tickets; a former member of the supermodel brigade dabbled in production so I was in. When I told one of the managing general partners at Global Capitalism HQ about the event, he desperately tried to score tickets through his connections. Since he, like many of the GP’s, are cultural Neanderthals, he failed utterly. He then offered me $5,000 for the pair of tickets, since his British wife is a fan, and I turned him down.

              When they took questions (on cards) at the end of the event, they took one of mine, to Terry Jones about his book “Who Murdered Chaucer?” They riffed on it and didn’t give a serious answer, but it was pretty cool. Then, at the end, as they all exited, Eric Idle high-fived me (I was sitting on the aisle). I haven’t washed that hand since. Incidentally, Monty Python is in the gene pool — my parents attended the “Live at the Hollywood Bowl” event and I have the framed ticket stubs on the wall of my office.

            • Captain Howdy

              Michael Palin is my fav. I remember buying a MP comedy album at Tower records in like ’72, and then the movie “And Now For Something Completely Different” came out, and soon after PBS starting airing the TV shows. Python has affected my outlook and attitude about life as much as The Ramones or The Pistols ever did.

            • Missionary Kid

              “Monty Python: Almost the Truth (The Lawyer’s Cut).” has been showing as a series on the Sundance Channel periodically. I TIVO’d it.

              You lucky dog, to have been there.

            • Missionary Kid

              LRH is actually the anti-source of truth. Monty Python is the true Source.

            • monkeyknickers

              FAVE FAVE FAVE FAVE.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        We will miss you.

      • aquaclara

        Stats are due Thursday at 2. What I did this week at our Ideal Org:
        22 phone calls to old files
        0 new members
        0 personality tests
        0 e-meter checks
        71 files shredded
        12 fundraisers with fun costumes
        582 down arrows on the Squirrel Bunker.
        1 R2-45 removal of known John P Capitalist

        EVERYTHING IS STRAIGHT UP AND VERTICAL.

        • I think the John P stat is a false report. To ethics!!!!

          • aquaclara

            Hahaha. Our down-button tiddlywinks player seems to have been off-duty for 5 whole hours now. Could it be that tomorrow is the best day of the week and there are real numbers to produce?

  • monkeyknickers

    All this Scientology hue and cry over Laura DeCrescenzo’s auditing folders makes zero sense to me. I mean – this is CoS we’re talking about. I don’t understand why they just don’t shred everything and say it’s lost or didn’t exist in the first place. That’s standard procedure for them, isn’t it?

    • richelieu jr

      I am sure the rewriting is going on even as we speak…

      What I don’t understand is how it can be confidential if she says she’s OK.. Aren’t wiretaps usable as long as one of the parties is OK with it?

      • monkeyknickers

        Someone commented above . . . . basically, protesteth too much. Every petition filed by the CoS is like sending a greeting card that says, “We are way guilty of this.”

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Even the CoS has its limits. If these files were to vanish, it would add up to much, much more trouble. I am sure the lawyers who are laboring mightily to make all this go away have made that much clear.

      And no, the petitioner does not own her own files. They are property of the CoS. I am pretty sure that the CoS has everyone who come in sign statements giving them final rights. Only the courts can compel them to turn them over.

      • Observer

        If they didn’t before, they will now.

      • monkeyknickers

        How would it add up to more trouble? It’s not like there are folders on the outside that you could compare to . . . . I’m not naysaying, these are just legit questions I have. Does her whole case rest on the release of her folders?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          If there are gaps in the paper record, there will be hell to pay. This is part of what brought Nixon down.

          And no, the whole case does not rest on the folders. But even the CoS lawyers know better than to make them go bye-bye.

          • monkeyknickers

            I guess the place I’m starting to get confused is how will they KNOW there are gaps in the paper trail. Scientology is so arcane and there’s no point of comparison. Ack! I started thinking . . . . I’m a musician and thinking is strongly discouraged. Brain . . . . hurting . . . . 🙂

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              The plaintiff will have already requested specific materials. And unless everything disappears (which would be most suspicious), there would be obvious gaps if they tried to dispose of the most sensitive material. Based on what I have learned about auditing, there are specific levels, and a number of folders that match to each. Anyone who knows what is supposed to be there (like, the plaintiff) would be able to know if material is gone.

  • Truthiwant

    SCIENTOLOGY IS FANTASTIC AND DAVID MISCAVIGE IS EVEN BETTER!!

    (I want to see if I get a down arrow)

    • Missionary Kid

      Great sarcasm!

    • richelieu jr

      Down? I couldn’t agree more!

    • Truthiwant

      Hey, Mr. Downarrower, can’t you read what I have just said?

      • q-bird

        hello there Downer Dupe ~ a note:

        • Captain Howdy

          Apparently the downer is a fan of the Duke which leads me to believe his true identity is……….

          Skip Press

    • FistOfXenu

      Who from? Sooner or later you will
      But you might choke on the lie 1st

      • Truthiwant

        I hope the one I got was from our elusive friend.

    • N. Graham

      Ok, I couldn’t stop myself. I had to down that one!

  • hogarthian

    YAY! good news. And as for that google thing. I’m a PhD student, my attempts at procrastination will now move on from scrubbing the limescale off the bathroom taps with a toothbrush……..with renewed vigour!

    • John P.

      Scrubbing bathroom surfaces with a toothbrush makes you not only a Ph.D. candidate but also a candidate to join the Sea Org.

      • richelieu jr

        You may even already be a member!

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I don’t feel confronted ….Or Shattered.

    Hey you guys…..could it be that the “Tech” doesn’t work?

    • richelieu jr

      Shadoobie, my brains been battered
      My friends they come around they
      Flatter, flatter, flatter, flatter, flatter, flatter, flatter
      Pile it up, pile it high on the platter

      This towns been wearing tatters (shattered, shattered)
      Work and work for love and sex
      Aint you hungry for success, success, success, success
      Does it matter? (shattered) does it matter?
      I’m shattered.
      Shattered

    • FistOfXenu

      “the Tech don’t work
      it just makes things worse”

    • monkeyknickers

      Who giving you the thumbs down thing!?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Sure smells like a Sciloon!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          You smell the odor of ascot infused with sweat and cigarette smoke?

          • monkeyknickers

            Ha!

        • monkeyknickers

          Are they really this transparent?! God . . . it’s so misguided. I’m getting less and less afraid of the CoS. Its workforce is made up of banana slugs and rocks.

  • richelieu jr

    I regret to say that I was unable to help myself from posting this on Facebook in order to try and save the tech and help L Ron and his little elves clear the world of good sense… PLEASE DON’T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE YOURSELVES!

    PLEASE SHARE THIS LINK:

    The Church of $cientology is paying a ton for every ad-click they get
    on Google (between 4 and 7 dollars, compared to 55cents of Judaism and
    about 2.50 for Baptists) Isn’t that terrible?

    I am deeply
    worried they will no longer have enough money for frivolous lawsuits
    that waste taxpayers money, sleazy private detectives that give them
    material to slander and blackmail people with, money to bankroll
    espionage against the FBI and the IRS, or even secret agents to pose as
    journalists friends to try and push them to suicide. Do you have any
    idea how much it costs to falsely accuse some of making a bomb threat?

    This is why I would like to ask all of you, irrespective of religion to
    NOT Google a lot of Scientology-related terms so their ads come up and
    then click on them often, even perhaps every few minutes when you have
    nothing to do… Terms like ‘Scientology’, ‘Hubbard’, ‘Dianetics’,
    ‘thetan’,’famous Scientologists’ and ‘Engram’ should be far from your
    keyboards and minds!

    Also, do NOT read the following article
    explaining the situation, implying that the CoS is not the
    ‘fastest-growing religion in the world’, but rather losing people every
    day, and hitting the few remaining ones up for more and more cash to
    keep up their holy lawsuits and harassment.

    Thank you.

    http://www.vice.com/read/how-much-does-the-church-of-scientology-spend-on-advertising

    • SciWatcher

      And definitely DON’T use the Tor browser to hide your IP Address so you can do it over and over again.

      • monkeyknickers

        Canya get that for Mac? 🙂

        • SciWatcher

          Most definitely!

    • John P.

      This gives rise to an interesting idea: what if someone who’s connected to the hacker underground were to rent an hour on one of those giant “botnets,” machines that have been unwittingly taken over by viruses that scammers use to send spam and to do those password cracking attacks that have been in the news recently? Some of these botnets have 10,000,000 machines. If each node on the botnet accesses a Scientology site by clicking through a Google ad, the person could cost the cult $70,000,000, and it would presumably come out of “Int Management” funds, which are fairly close to the top of the organization. That would consume a major chunk of current operating funds, probably turning the entire organization into a loss for the year, and potentially forcing them to avoid paying the electric bill at Big Blue, etc. While it would be possible to cost the cult a couple grand by using the TOR router (I don’t think there are that many gateway nodes), a little cleverness could quite literally cost them millions. And when they refuse to pay Google the amount owed, then Google would cut them off from advertising ever again, choking off a source of potential recruits… This is getting more interesting the more I think of it.

      • Ze Moo

        Googles terms of service have clauses that throw out botnet and other keyword chicanery. However lots of us could cost them a nice piece of change. I propose ‘scamatology wednesday keyword day’ .Wednesday because it precedes stat Thursday and we all know the keywords that are going to cost the cult a few bucks. Forcing a reallocation of capital to another corporate area could force the CO$ to pass by the power or water bill for its LA operations for a month or two…..

        • ParticleMom

          In that case, a savvy marketer would just drastically reduce the budget on Wednesdays. Not that I am accusing them of being savvy 😉

      • ParticleMom

        The Google budget can be allocated many ways, including daily, hourly, weekly, business hours etc. There is also a max figure which won’t be exceeded, as set by the user. Once the max is hit (for the hour, day, whatever) the ad stops appearing. So, unless Co$ has ok’d a $70M limit, that wouldn’t happen.

        If, hypothetically, many people tried to click all at once or on the same day, the ad would go away until the next cycle started (as little as an hour.)

        So, if you don’t see a sponsored link, look again later.

        • Damn.

        • monkeyknickers

          This is way off topic PM, but every time I see your handle, I start singing We Might Be Giants songs. 🙂

          • ParticleMom

            Thanks for catching the reference, lol. Here Comes Science, my AV, is one of their kids albums.

  • I would think that the “penitent” is the owner of their own PC folders, since they certainly bought and paid for everything that is contained within them. Even if you are Sea Org member, you sign “no-charge” invoices that later turn into huge “Freeloader” debts for you.

    So yes. The PC owns their own pc folders and can direct how and where they are produced.

    I hope this argument, humbly tendered here on an Internet natter-blog, settles the issue.

    Next!

    Alanzo

    • Truthiwant

      I wonder if the PC does have, infact, the right to have back her folders. In the end, the auditor is writing down what the PC said and if the PC wants a copy, then is there any legal reason she can’t?

    • Oh! Oh! Oh! A DOWN ARROW ON MY POST!!!

      It’s probably Tony. I’ve been late in my posting payments to him and now all the free “likes” he has been giving me with every paid post I write have turned into “down arrow” posts for the ones I don’t feel I should pay for. Is Tony placing “down arrows” on any one else’s free posts?

      Alanzo

  • 0tessa

    For every down-vote I now place 3 up-votes. My up-votes are unlimited.

    • DeElizabethan

      Funny how the down votes just brings more attention to what is not liked and that is good too. We are winning with this person who must be stupid. Or going for brownie points in ethics.

      • q-bird

        You know Delizzy – yesterday evening when I got to the blog, I saw all those down votes & immediately started up voting everything – to ‘counter attack’ so to speak. Geez, I was reading the posts as well however and I got through 3 when I sorta forgot what I was doing…. because I got lost in the conversations. I am hoping that perhaps the downers maybe did the same thing eh?!.

        • Spackle Motion

          I say that it’s a good thing for the OSA bot to be here and click the down arrow. It exposes them to massive amounts of entheta, and we should create posts that are simple, in bold, and say things like “It’s OK to doubt” or something like that.

          OSA has a hard time keeping their bots under control because these people may actually start to read things and their cognitive dissonance blinders will start to crack.

        • DeElizabethan

          Me too! Get’s the adrenaline going. Yes, s/he must have loaded more comments.

  • That’s one hell of a long petition there. Must have cost Davey more than a few ‘happy ending’ massages. Very happy to hear it got shot down so unceremoniously.

    Of the many nonsensical things contained within this petition, this one stuck out: The petition continually says “no third person present” when referring to auditing sessions, yet I’ve heard dozens of ex-scilons say they were well aware the process was being video-taped and monitored by someone outside the auditing room. I’m no lawyer but if someone is actively listening to an interview or ‘auditing session’, I don’t see how the law would not consider that an active third party presence.

    • And what does that matter, when they’ve admitted that up to 250 people probably read the things? They be hoist on their own petard.

      • 1subgenius

        And I fart in their general direction.

        • Pinkhammer

          Silly British Kanigits!
          (no offense meant to our friends across the pond!)

  • DeElizabethan

    100% behind Laura and a Bravo to you!
    Whahoo on the appeal and here’s to it’s continuing defeat, if they continue.

    I like the twist on it costing them so much for keywords from Johnny Lambo. Of course we wouldn’t do that!

    Rest in peace Denise and know we will keep on kickin’ butt.

  • Shannon

    Hello masses! I wanted to bounce something off you all…

    I just came across this article in Sydney Morning Herald online…. I study charismatic Christian religion so I read this article about a man named Alan John Miller claiming to be the reincarnation of Jesus but two things stood out….

    First the person who went to do an interview said that he had more copies of Battlestar Galatica on his mantle then his own DVD’s *warning bells!* and then this quote…

    “He believes that by examining trauma, both in this life and in lives that have been lived previously, one can move up a spiritual ladder, each rung taking you closer to a perfect relationship with God. All of the things that could impede a follower progressing up the ladder – addiction, failed relationships, even cancer and childhood illness, Miller tells me – are brought about by malign spirits who cause us to act in “unloving” ways, ways that displease God and distance us from His love”

    I tried to do all the Google searches I could, and I can only see him compared to Scientology or Access conciousness but no direct connection…. he apparently grew up a Jehovahs witness but something screams “I meddled around in Scientology as well as a bunch of Christianity” does anyone know who this guy is? He is based out of Australia but apparently the majority of his followers are in the U.S from what I can gather…. has anyone heard this name before?

    Here is the origional article… would love to hear opinions on this!

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-messiah-complex-20130422-2i946.html

    Love to all my enturbulating homies!

    Shannon

    • Shannon

      Ahh hell he did Battlefield Earth. My bad, still sounds fishy I say!

    • At least he knows that you go “up” a ladder, not a bridge (you go “across” a bridge, straight forward and horizontal).

    • Spackle Motion

      Well, I found a John A. Miller in the Scientology courses completion list:

      http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/john-a.-miller.html

      It smells like a clam to me, but John Miller can be a common name.

      • Shannon

        It is for sure, it just jumped out to me because doing all the work on Pentecostal and fringe Christianity the whole “some being is holding on to you past traumas” is definitely not something I have seen…

        • Shannon

          It could have been that he dabbled a bit and just took a piece that would appeal to people you know?

          • Spackle Motion

            It’s been known to happen before. Many “leaders” have taken bits and pieces of Scientology to use for their own bullshit blatherings. Charles Manson, Tony Robbins, Landkmark Forum, EST, etc. Scientology is just another form of self-help bullshit that appeals to different types of people.

            • Shannon

              Exactly, many people stick their feet in a few different ponds before they create their ideology. And one of his main followers had been with Tony Robbins for a long period of time…

              And for the record, I do not doubt your commitment to Spackle Motion. *jazz hands*

            • Spackle Motion

              I needed that laugh. No one SHOULD EVER DOUBT MY COMMITMENT TO Spackle Motion. I do jazz hands 10 times a day to keep in practice.

            • Shannon
            • sugarplumfairy
            • Observer

              I just had a horrid thought … what if TC blows and becomes a devotee of Tony Robbins? If they were ever in the same room the gravitational pull from all those giant predatory (and in one case, cockeyed) teeth would cause the universe to collapse in on itself!

            • I think I’m going to be ill now.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          This has a “New-Agey” ring that does not jibe at all with either Fundamentalism or the Charismatic Movement. Very fishy.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      There are no Millers listed in Australia at the Scientology Online Registry:
      http://home.scientology.org/

      Of course, there are only 16,000 registered, and as there are between 10 and 20 million Scientologists in the world, a few names are bound to be missing.

    • Wait a minute, owning Battlestar Galactica DVDs is a bad thing? *slamming bedroom door* What’re you looking at?

  • “By Scientology’s own reckoning, DeCrescenzo’s auditing records were compiled and reviewed by some 250 church officials” …… hmmm, I wonder how delighted Cruise, Travolta, Alley etc will be to hear that their most intimate confessions have been “reviewed” by hundreds of people.

    Whilst we know that a couple of well known ex-scientologists who audited Cruise are honouring the confidentiality me reckons that the continual implosion of the cult will eventually bring forth someone who’s going to sell their files to the Enquirer…. Bert Fields will probably spontaneously combust.

    • aquaclara

      did you get the link you were looking for yesterday, media? Saw your note, but wasn’t able to look for it at the time…..

      • Nope, it was the nationalenquirer.com web page which is banned in the UK [libel laws] bit about the South Park guys doing a Scientology musical…. I was particularly interested as the brief snippet I saw seemed to hint actors who were interested. The second one was the NY Times piece on Steve Jobs vs Xenu.

      • Nope, it was the nationalenquirer.com web page which is banned in the UK [libel laws] bit about the South Park guys doing a Scientology musical…. I was particularly interested as the brief snippet I saw seemed to hint actors who were interested. The second one was the NY Times piece on Steve Jobs vs Xenu.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Is it Down Arrow Day!?! Wow!

    Here goes…

    Doubt is OK. All your stats are wrong.

    Doubt is OK. All your stats are wrong.

    Doubt is OK. All your stats are wrong.

    Doubt is OK. All your stats are wrong.

    Doubt is OK. All your stats are wrong.

    Doubt is OK. All your stats are wrong.

    Doubt is OK. All your stats are wrong.

    Doubt is OK. All your stats are wrong.

    Doubt is OK. All your stats are wrong.

    Doubt is OK. All your stats are wrong.

    Oh… and L. Ron Hubbard was a doody head.

    • Shannon

      It has been the last few articles what gives? Me thinks they are getting worried…

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Or somebody is courting brownie points.

        • Shannon

          WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES?!?

          “None! None! I’ve been downvoting on the Underground Bunker all week I swear!!!”

          • Shannon

            And I have to throw out my favorite proclamation to the watchers…

            The Freeloader debt is not legally enforceable!!

            • dagobarbz

              It never was. But, if you wish to continue being a part of the Scientology empire, yes, it is kinda mandatory.

            • Shannon

              Of course, but I feel like when you are in that bubble they do not realize it…Good to reinforce it sometimes…

            • I was just going to add that. Definitely in my top two.

              The front door is the way to true freedom.

    • q-bird

      Perfect.

      Perfect.

      Perfect.

      TRUTH.

    • Ze Moo

      I believe that Lroon besmirches the good name of doody head.

  • ThetaBara

    Hello, OSA!
    Don’t route out! Just blow!

  • DeElizabethan

    “Happy Birthday to you” BuryTheNuts. May you have many nuts to bury and with love and humor never ending!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Aw, thanks Dee

      • aquaclara

        Happy Birthday! Wishing you excellent carrot caek with yummy nuts and icing on top!

      • hogarthian

        Happy Birthday Bury!!!!!

      • N. Graham

        Happy anniversary of the day of your birth! In spite of those probable 30+ abortion attempts your parents made if they were at all average, according to Dr. Hubbard, you are here to celebrate!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    To our dear OSA “member.” The words of Dear Founder:

    “Whenever we’re really winning, the squirrels start to scream. You can tell if somebody is a squirrel. They howl or make trouble only when we’re winning.”
    HCOB Of May 1 1958

    Happy trolling!

    • Sidney18511

      One more thing mr. or mrs. troll……. WE ARE WINNING……THE TRUTH ABOUT YOUR CULT IS COMMING OUT……….SCIENTOLOGY IS GOING DOWN!!!

  • 1subgenius

    Not getting why all the fuss about a down arrow.

    And don’t tell me: “If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that.” because I’ve heard all that before.

    • sizzle8

      Who cares if someone gives a down arrow.

      “We must all think the same thoughts” is not good.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Where did all the down arrows go?

    • Shannon

      With the cowboys…

    • Observer

      You had to ask. lol

    • Sidney18511

      Their baacccckkkk

    • Artoo45

      Where did all the down arrows go,
      Long time passing,
      Where did all the down arrows go,
      Long time ago,
      Where did all the down arrows go,
      Gone to failtown, every one
      When will they ever learn,
      When will they eeeeever learn?

      Okay, all the bunker sings . . .

      Where did all the . . .

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Just ignore the down arrows and they’ll go away…

  • Observer

    I think I know who’s doing the down-arrowing … he’s baaaaaack!

    • q-bird

      LRH Truthiness~

      “THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE
      IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big
      letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them.”

      – L. Ron Hubbard, “Off the Time
      Track,” lecture of June 1952, excerpted in JOURNAL OF SCIENTOLOGY
      issue 18-G, reprinted in TECHNICAL VOLUMES OF DIANETICS &
      SCIENTOLOGY, vol. 1, p. 418

    • Shannon

      Completely off topic but I just want to tell you your picture terrifies me every time. What is it from?

      • Observer

        lol, it’s from probably the least terrifying thing ever.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjRfyeLvE64

        • Shannon

          I used to watch MST all the time!!! Never saw this though, so funny! Not scary anymore!

        • aquaclara

          that was fun!

        • Spackle Motion

          Great clip. I love this show although I haven’t really watched it since the early MST days (and I could have sworn it was labeled as MST 2000 at one point). I remember thinking it was some strange Public Access show (which there were a LOT in Los Angeles in the 90s) until I really sat through a few episodes. What a gem.

          Glad to know the origin of your avatar and name. Well done.

    • Captain Howdy

      You must be on to something seeing as how you got the double whammy.

      • Observer

        You can see in the pic where he broke a nail from all that violent mouse clicking.

    • Missionary Kid

      And, Mr. Downarrow is a coward, and probably passive-aggressive.

  • Jgg2012

    As to the priest-penitent privilege: 1. Co$ is sweating bullets–this could be very damaging. 2. Once again, Co$ pounded the table with its “religion-religion-religion” whining, but religion has nothing to do with written security checks.

  • RIP Denise, I’d also noticed that she was first to post your blog on SPs ‘r’ US :'(

  • danlocke

    Lots of comments here and there isn’t time to read them all. I imagine that there are others who have already remarked about this and, perhaps, with all the appropriate references. I’m writing this up in unlikely case Laura’s lawyer team may not already have thought of this.

    I was in the SO and in the RPF with Laura. Prior to the RPF, we were in different organizations, but geographically they were both within a block of each other. And the different organizations we were part of were ran on the same policies with management who treated us all pretty much the same.

    I just wanted to bring up a couple points.

    I would say about 95% of the “auditing’ that SO members there were getting during that time period was not auditing, but “HCO Confessionals”. (I suspect that this is still the case; I am just not able to be certain about that in that I also left the RPF in 2004.) These confessionals are synonymous with security checking. At the start of every sec checking session we were always told by the auditor, “I am not auditing you.” Perhaps not at every session, but certainly somewhere in the delivering of a confessional, we were reminded that the confidentiality aspect of typical auditing would be suspended for all information ferreted out in a confessional session.

    At the end of each confessional session (typically an hour and a half to three hours long), the confessional “auditor” (parenthesized in that the person conducting the confessional was usually trained as an auditor and was at least following some sort of procedure similar to auditing… even though he really was not auditing) would sit down and write in triplicate a report summarizing any thing even the least bit “wrong” or “bad” or “criminal” that had been discussed.

    Please note that one of the main points of indoctrination that anyone gets in Scientology (and particularly on staff or in the SO) is that we are, each of us, responsible for our own condition. We were, each one, responsible for all that we had done to other and all that had been done to us. Lots of truth in that, and that philosophy “works” in general for many people. It’s the stuff and substance of many modern self-help books.

    So, when you are in a confessional, you don’t get let loose with any “and this beautiful woman seduced me and I really messed up by betraying my wife by sleeping with her…”, a confessional auditor in these circumstances would look to find “the preclear’s causation” in this. E.g., “What did you do that attracted this woman to you?’ and the preclear would look to find (or invent) something that he had done.

    You don’t finish any confessional session without admitting cause. Even if there was real evidence that the woman had been paid a handsome price to bring you down as part of a blackmail scheme. In confessional theory, the preclear can not be hurt by others. He can only hurt himself in his actions towards others.

    So, confessional folders are full of “admissions of guilt” and there are rarely if ever any reports regarding the other side of the story. That’s the philosophy that exists to a large extent in Scientology on a personal level.

    But in the organizational philosophy it’s a lot different. It’s skewed 180 degrees. Organizationally we are taught that the organizations can do no wrong. It is always the critic who is wrong. We were taught that all sorts of evils are brought against our organizations on an ongoing basis and it’s never the Church’s fault. We were indoctrinated that the press, the government, the psychiatrists, the criminal wogs and degraded beings and the squirrels were all out to get us and that we wouldn’t be safe until they were all locked up somewhere or gotten rid of. Publicly you are able to hear this sort of rant at the IAS events. But that’s a little window. That viewpoint is HUGE in Scientology.

    And that is why you never, ever hear anyone in Scientology organizations admit that the Church or anyone in it has ever done anything wrong. And that’s the main time the church use those admissions in the reports in the folders. They are brought out mainly in just a few situations.

    They are brought about when someone in management wants to send someone to the RPF. When this happens, someone digs through these reports and submits a proposal to management to gulag the guy. Then he’s out of the way for a few years or maybe forever or he’ll come back behaving and docile.

    And they are brought out when someone leaves and criticizes the Church. And that’s what re-edited and printed in Freedumb and on the mini attack-sites and what Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun’s still-in exes talk about when they go on TV to support the church.

    So, it’s very upside down and crazy, but it is the way that it is.

    But that’s enough of that! lol! Got me on a bit of a roll!

    I don’t want to lose site of the main aspect of this. I think an inspection of the relevant bulletins and policies that the Church itself has published will review that these are NOT Priest/Penitent Confidential folders. At least no one in the Church ever talked about them that way. I’m thinking that might be the foot in the door that the lawyers could use to get them to unloosen their dirty grip on these folders.

    If you revealed some naughty thing in a regular auditing session you heaved a sigh of relief and were happy for it. We only divulged these things to these “I’m not auditing you” auditors in hopes that we would be better staff and build a better organization. We also knew that if we did not divulge them in these interviews and we were later found out, we’d be in bigger trouble. And for those of us who were around for more than just a couple of years, we also knew that one day these transgressions could be made public, if we were to ever get out of line, to shame us or control us.

    • Truthiwant

      I get it.

      The Church is not responsible in any way whatsoever for the terrible things that happen to it, BUT, each individual Church member working for the Organization IS responsible for every single thing that they have done, even during the time that they are working for the Church.

      Holy Teegeeack!!

    • Sidney18511

      Sweet Jesus, why don’t you get n touch with her or someone from her legal team and let them know what you know, what you can confirm. Is it possible that you can do something to help? Think abut it and maybe we, at the bunker can present you with a big gaudy trophy.

      • danlocke

        Will do.

    • RMycroft

      If the court tells them to hand over the folders, they’ll probably claim that they sent them to Australia.

      Church of Scientology defied coroner on suicide October 23, 2009, Sarah Elks, The Australian
      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/church-of-scientology-defied-coroner-on-suicide/story-e6frg6oo-1225790240374

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      DL, the names of Laura’s attorneys are on the Proof of Service in the Petition. They may not respond if you send then a communique, but if there is something in there they can use, most attorneys would research it. It can’t hurt, and it may help.

      • danlocke

        Yes will do. Thanks for pointing that out.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Thank you Dan.
          It it wasn’t for folks like you all of this would just fall apart.
          ML,
          Suzanna

          • DeElizabethan

            Suzanna, have you ever thought of sending your mom if she’s alive, some flowers for her birth day of you? Some good loving thoughts will do if she’s passed over. I did that for a couple years to my mom and she appreciated it, now I just think of her. Just an idea.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Oh Dee, I think of her a lot. She died in 1989. I am going to Utah to visit where she was (ashes) scattered in a couple of months. I have been thinking of her a lot leading up to this trip.
              Thank you.

            • DeElizabethan

              My mother left in ’95. Mate in “09 where I visit occasionally too. Good time to listen and get in touch, since one never knows for sure. Know what I mean? to me, the spirit is not dead! Thought that way, way before the cult.

          • DeElizabethan

            Oh you’re a Bull and bulls don’t fall apart. My mate was one, so am familiar. Charge on girl!
            ML, Dee

          • danlocke

            ha!!!

    • sizzle8

      Back in the 80’s we had to stamp the Ethics folders too with the “Confidential-Priest/Penitent” label.
      Google SPD 118 Labelling of Technical and Ethics Files.

    • I second what Sidney says. An affidavit from you describing your experiences with the “confessionals” (particularly as to how there was no confidentiality about them in either theory or practice) may be of great usefulness to the attorneys.

  • Mary_McConnell

    This is excellent news… Let’s hope the CA Supreme Ct denies the petition as well. Kudos to Laura and her legal team for persevering!

  • Kevin Tighe

    “Culling” through PC folders was SOP at least in the GO. I was directed to do so when looking for qualified recruits for the GO and later for crimes of people suing. Hell, I can even remember going through an ex girlfriends PC folder. It was a little weird. In fact, I think I went through the PC folder of the current member of OSA Boston to see if he qualified (Paul). I was not a minister at that time. It should be a no brainer to provides scores of people who have done so. Seems to me that regges are regularly briefed on PC’s cases.

  • What are your crimes?! WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES?!!!11

    Well, once the side of goodness receives the documents, we’ll know exactly what the Scientology shitbag mother fuckers’ crimes have been in this case.

  • aquaclara

    I just happened to notice, when I was over at Google, searching for, well, just an ad or ten, there is a nice Google Doodle contest going on.
    If you happen to be Googling….for any reason at all.

  • ParticleMom

    Does anyone know if they record auditing in the Boston Org, and if so, is there a release signed or recorded? It is illegal to record conversations In Massachusetts without permission.

    That could make for some interesting law suits.

    http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/massachusetts-recording-law

    • ParticleMom

      Actually, California also requires permission. I am assuming that the pc’s must sign releases. Is that correct?

  • We’ve enjoyed nice conversation in Facebook in the past 2 years. Will miss her!
    Charles Wildbank

  • We’ve enjoyed nice conversation in Facebook in the past 2 years. Will miss her!
    Charles Wildbank

  • Warrior

    Regarding so-called “auditing” or “confessionals” in Scientology, the truth is found in Hubbard’s words in The Aims of Scientology, where he wrote: “Man suspects all offers of help. He has often been betrayed, his confidence shattered. Too frequently he has given his trust and been betrayed. We may err, for we build a world with broken straws. But we will never betray your faith in us so long as you are one of us.”

    • sugarplumfairy

      There is no truth in hubbard’s words.. and that’s the truth..

  • Poison Ivy

    Didn’t know Denise but send condolences to her family and those close to her. I admire all ex-church members who come out intact and then reach out to help others and fight for fairness. Rest in Peace, Denise.

  • jensting

    So, ehrm, the petitioner is CSI, a “corporate entity,” (says so on the first page), right? But organisations cannot be found guilty of crimes in the US, is that right? (People keep explaining that to those of us who favour the French legal system in which the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology has already been found guilty of crimes – under appeal in the French Court de Cassation.)

    Anyway, it would be a damned shame for their appeal if a single instance could be found of them revelaving information from the PC folders…

    And RIP Denise