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Ursula Caberta Retiring: Her Thoughts On Fighting Scientology in Germany for 20 Years

Ursula Caberta [Credit: dpa/DPA]

Ursula Caberta [Credit: dpa/DPA]


Tomorrow, Ursula Caberta will retire from her post with the Hamburg state government after spending more than 20 years investigating Scientology’s influence in Germany.

Yesterday, we had a lengthy telephone conversation with her, and reviewed some of the highlights of her career, which was one of the most troublesome for Scientology in Europe.

“I’m done with my work for Hamburg. I’m free to do other things, including finishing my final book on Scientology,” she says.

In 1992, she began working with the Hamburg Scientology Task Force, and began spreading word about the alleged abuses in Scientology. She says that one of her main activities was assisting people who wanted to leave the church. Her efforts became well known in the country and in 2007, she was part of a failed push to have Germany’s federal government ban Scientology outright. In 2010, budget cuts ended the Hamburg task force, and now, without more government support, Caberta says it’s time for her to move on as well. She worries that it will mean a resurgence for the church, even with all of the bad publicity Scientology is enduring around the world.

“The state of Hamburg will stop its work on Scientology. In Germany we led the fight that they are a business, that they have nothing to do with religion. But if you’re not working always, day by day, to watch what they’re doing, then you know, in three or four months they’ll be back again,” she says.

And she’s worried about that?

“Yes, for sure.”

We asked her for some highlights of her career, and she pointed first to a 2004 judge’s ruling that Scientology posed a real threat to the German constitution.

“This is the biggest highlight, that it’s not about religion and not only about money but that it’s working against our constitution. When they fought that, they lost,” she says. “Scientology is working against freedom. Against the freedom of the press, against freedom of religion. And Germany is the only country in the world where we have a judgment like this. This is my work. I’m very proud of it.”

But she also says it was meaningful to help people leaving the church. “It was a highlight always when people came and said they wanted to go out from Scientology and said they needed help, to get a new life. They didn’t have money and other things,” she says.

We brought up another interesting moment from her career, when in 2000 she flew to Florida to meet businessman Robert Minton and other members of the Lisa McPherson Trust, named after a church member who had died at Scientology’s spiritual mecca, the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater. You can see the remarkable reception Caberta got when she walked off the plane and into Tampa’s terminal in his video shot by Mark Bunker…

 
“OSA! Yes, it was not surprising for me, because OSA did attacks against me in Germany, too. I would get letters that I was going to die, or they were going to do things against my family. A lot of things,” Caberta says, referring to Scientology’s intelligence and covert operations wing, the Office of Special Affairs.

“In Germany I have the support of many people in the government, and journalists. I have people behind me. But in the US there’s nobody. There’s no help for anybody if they’re attacking you. Like Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder, Jesse Prince, they’re getting attacked today and they don’t have government help. That’s a problem. That was my feeling in Florida. There was no chance to have official help,” she says. “I understood more after that visit, and I knew people had more problems in the US, because the state is doing nothing. That’s the biggest problem.”

Caberta reserves her biggest praise for the ex-Scientologists and critics who helped her get word out about Scientology’s workings. “We had conferences with ex-members from the United States. Marc Headley, Jason Beghe, Jesse Prince, Amy Scobee, Hana Whitfield. To have those people helping me in Germany, it was wonderful,” she says. “When we had the big conference with Headley and Beghe, [church attorney] Kendrick Moxon was there going crazy. ‘Caberta, Caberta, do you know what you are doning?’ Yes, Mr. Moxon, I do know what I’m doing.”

It was always fascinating to meet former church officials who had been told she was the epitome of evil. “Amy Scobee was so nice. When I went to the airport to pick her up for a conference, she said, ‘Oh, Ursula, where are your horns? You don’t look like the devil’,” she says with a laugh.

She also speaks warmly of Robert Vaughn Young, who helped her out in her early days working for the Hamburg state. Vaughn Young had been a spokesman for the church, and his defection was a huge problem for Scientology. (He died of cancer in 2003.)

“In the early 1990s, he was lovely, helping me a lot. We were in a hotel one time having drinks, and high-ranking church executive] Kurt Weiland showed up. Robert said ‘Kurt! Sit down and have a drink with me and Ursula!’ Weiland was the OSA boss at the time,” she says, laughing as she remembers it. She says the hotel kicked Weiland out. “We had a lot of fun. It wasn’t only stress.”

“When [attorney] Graham Berry was in Hamburg, the US consulate sent a letter to my bosses. At this last conference about Scintology, they said we were harassing the USA. We said, we are a free country, it’s not harassment to tell the truth.”

Repeatedly, through its influence in Washington and with the use of its celebrities, Scientology has convinced the US State Department to chastise European countries for opposing the church. “They came to Europe and told us we were fighting religion and freedom when Clinton was president. It was stupid,” she says.

We asked her about the current situation that Scientology finds itself in. For example, in Belgium, federal prosecutors have announced an intention to treat Scientology as a business as they seek a conviction on fraud, and will ignore questions about whether Scientology is a church or religion.

“It’s very interesting. Hopefully they will start in March. Scientology is always trying to stop these things with their attorneys, but I’ve talked with the prosecutors, and if it starts next month, I will go to Brussels. I don’t speak French, but I want to go there and watch Scientology’s attorneys,” she says.

We also noted how much more aggressive the British press has become in the last year. “I’m very happy about it. And the US press too. We’ve never had so much press,” she says. “But for me the most important thing is what’s going on in the US. You can’t stop an organization like Scientology only from Germany or Belgium. You have to stop them from their headquarters, which is the United States of America. But if the US government is not changing its mind about this criminal organization, then I don’t know if we have a chance in Europe to stop it.”

In recent years, one of the biggest events for Caberta was Marty Rathbun’s trip to Hamburg. Rathbun had been the second-highest ranking official in the church, but in 2004 he defected and then started up a blog critical of Scientology leader David Miscavige in 2009. In September 2011, Rathbun went to Germany.

“I was very happy to see him. We have big differences about the way we see Mr. Hubbard, but that’s not important. For someone like that to leave Scientology, that’s what matters,” she says.

Like us, she’s seen many longtime church members defect in recent years because of their unhappiness with Scientology leader David Miscavige, but who still consider themselves loyal to Hubbard as “independent Scientologists.”

“I tell them to actually read Hubbard. When you’re in you’re doing course work and studying about yourself. Now that you’re out, read Hubbard, read about Scientology ethics and splitting up families. It takes them time to discuss it,” she says.

“One ex-member, a German OT VII, lost all of his money in Scientology. [Operating Thetan level 7 is the second-highest level of spiritual enlightenment a church member can attain, and can require many years and several hundred thousand dollars to complete.] He called me, saying I’m out of Scientology. I knew his name because he was a big name in German Scientology. Come to the office, I said, and he came,” Caberta remembers. “The first thing he said, he wanted his money back. That’s what they all want. But do you have paperwork? No, because Scientology doesn’t give them paperwork. Another thing he wanted, he was OT VII and he wanted to do OT VIII. I told him I couldn’t help him with that. Would you please write to Clearwater, write to Flag? he asked me. Tell them I want to do OT8 and I don’t want to send them any more money. I said, you think if I write this they will do that? Yes, they will! he said. That’s ex-members. They need to time to learn. Sometimes a long time.”

Caberta says she was successfully helping Scientologists leave the church, and she’s proud of that work. But now the work is done. We asked how she felt about that.

“Wonderful. You can’t do this job if the government is not behind you 100 percent. In the last two or three years, they closed the task force. It’s not the same when you don’t have five people working with you. Alone, it’s not the same. And with no money for conferences and what we do,” she says.

Would she consider coming to the United States again?

“Never. Never again,” she says. But then adds a condition: “If the government is doing something against Scientology and Mr. Miscavige is in jail, maybe then I’m coming. But otherwise, no, never again.”

Her work for the state of Hamburg will be celebrated with a party on March 20 at Hamburg’s City Hall.

“I think it’s a good time to invite all the people I love, and hopefully they’re coming. From the US too.”

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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 31, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • 1subgenius

    Another thing he wanted, he was OT VII and he wanted to do OT VIII. I told him I couldn’t help him with that. Would you please write to Clearwater, write to Flag? he asked me. Tell them I want to do OT8 and I don’t want to send them any more money. I said, you think if I write this they will do that? Yes, they will! he said. That’s ex-members. They need to time to learn. Sometimes a long time.”

    Yikes.

    • Observer

      A perfect example of Scientology making the able more able.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        also, making the enabler more enabling.

    • Sid Snakey

      In his book Vance Woodward describes Scientology as an addiction, and you can see why because this guy sounds like a junkie.

      • Captain Howdy

        Out of all the junkies I’ve ever known, I’ve never known one who thought heroin was making their life any better. They all seemed to understand it was death on the installment plan.

        • Sid Snakey

          That’s a very good point.

          Scientology: Addiction to something that’s damaging your life, but you believe it will make you a God. That’s got to be a looooooong cold-turkey.

    • villagedianne

      He still thought COS has The Answers to Life.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Well done, Ursula!

  • Observer

    Where’s our Ursula Caberta? Our Nick Xenophon? And why do the idiots in power in our country over the past 20 years insist on sticking their noses into other countries’ legitimate investigations into and prosecution of the criminal enterprise known as Scientology? You’d think we have enough business if our own to mind. It’s both shameful and infuriating.

    I hope that when Miscavige goes down this courageous, principled woman has a ringside seat. Vielen herzlichen dank, Frau Caberta!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I’ve conceded that in America, lawyers and Mad Money men rule. So I have turned my soulful glaze to one Ray Babbitt and the Ralph “We Have Teeth” Hudgens. These are the kind of helpers I believe will be our Caberta’s and Xenophon’s. I know they know that whatever they need, they have the support of a worldwide community.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

        Raymond Babbitt, I thought you meant. Surely not Charlie Babbitt.

    • Sherbet

      Amen! How many times does Ursula have to say that the government has to be behind efforts to change scn’s status in the US or anyplace else?! And does anyone remember the US celebrities who got on the “Bigotry!” bandwagon during the Clinton administration, which Ursula refers to? If memory serves, the list went way beyond the obvious Travolta, Alley shills to people with no connection with the cult, but were duped into believing the issue was one of religious freedom and human rights. I wonder what they think now. I wonder what Bill Clinton thinks now.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        http://www.german-way.com/scientad.html

        See the signatures at the bottom.

        • Captain Howdy

          Tina Sinatra ? WTF ? They couldn’t at least get Nancy ?

          • Sherbet

            Her boots were made for walkin’ away from cos.

            • Midwest Mom

              Do you remember how the FBI played Nancy Sinatra’s “These Boots Were Made for Walkin’ ” song loudly, over a speaker system at Waco, trying to annoy David Koresh into giving up? It didn’t work.

            • Sherbet

              No, I didn’t remember that, Mom. I can think of more annoying songs, though. “Precious and Few” would have made Koresh run out with his hands in the air.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              UGH….
              “Seasons in the Sun” is my contribution to SUCKUS Songs…

            • 1subgenius

              “Horse With No Name.”
              Discussion over.

            • blissfulldreams

              before you close the discussion my i present my contribution pls all of those songs are really good choices but for me this one beats them all hands down

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdFIXsrjkXI

              how annoying is that ?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I absolutely cannot believe you just dissed the Chicken Dance!
              That was COLD…

            • blissfulldreams

              Oh go on listen to it for a couple of hours and then tell me i’m COLD i dare you :))

            • BuryTheNuts2

              LOL….Ok, OK…two hours of it may cure me.

              (Besides, as long as my chain wallet is in my “left” pocket instead of my “right”. I am good!) snicker.

            • Captain Howdy

              Go listen to the entirety on this and I’ll be impressed. I actually like the short version.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1eHKf-dMwo

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              The “trololol” song actually has some relevance to cults and their thought-stopping. An obituary when the singer died explained that the reason Russians started going for scat-singing is words had just become too dangerous: anything, no matter how innocuous, would be picked apart for potentially dangerous deviations from the acceptable political viewpoint.

            • Captain Howdy

              I read that originally the song had lyrics about a cowboy going to visit his sweetheart and that all the words were cut out by Soviet authorities because they were considered subversive. Mr Trololo had the last laugh cuz his video on youtube has like 16,000,000 views.

            • blissfulldreams

              10 hrs srsl cap, you win i’m not that brave

            • Sherbet

              Oh, gosh, Cap, I just got around to listening to this felony that calls itself music. It’s so bad, yet the singer looks so happy to be presenting it, for 10 interminable minutes, no less. Can you hear me shaking my head in disbelief?

            • Sherbet

              Weddings. I’m thinking weddings.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I think of Oktoberfest!

              I can’t even picture an Oktoberfest without the Chicken Dance?

            • Sherbet

              Noooo! I’ll confess my crimes!!! Still, it’s Beethoven compared to “Seasons in the Sun” et al.

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              Hell to the No. I love that song.

              But I will give you “Feelings” as song by the Bionic Woman. A childhood trauma I still haven’t quite recovered from.

            • Observer

              I second this one! Blargh

            • Captain Howdy

              No way, that’s a schmaltz classic. We were going to a cover of that in my 1st band. Originally it was a Jacques Brel song.

            • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

              If Justin Bieber had existed, anything by him would have done it.

              Though Streisand’s “People” would have driven me out before it finished playing once.

            • Midwest Mom

              Hmmm…………I like “Precious and Few”, “Seasons in the Sun”, and “Horse with No Name”. I will even admit to singing them in the car, even if people are in the car with me. (For realz).

              The chicken dance is pretty annoying. I first heard it at Hofbrauhaus in Munich, with obnoxious intoxicated people trying to force me to dance to it. I did not give in to their “Beer Pressure”.

              I ask you, though, is there anything as offensive to the ears and to all of mankind, as the songs of L. Ron Hubbard?

            • N. Graham

              Achy Breaky Heart and I Love You by Barney were the ones that would’ve had me running into the fire.

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              Oh God, I have a younger half-sister who had to share a bedroom with our much younger sister, a complete and total Barney freak. Golda had a list of about 50 I hate Barney songs.

              I hate you
              You hate me
              We’re a dysfunctional family
              With a bang-bang shoot ‘em up
              Barney’s on the floor
              No more purple dinosaur

            • BuryTheNuts2

              GAH! I HAVE AN ENGRAM.

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              Poor Golda, they had one of those TVs with a built in DVD recorder and Cora would pop the Barney tape right back in as soon as it done. It’s no wonder she preferred sleeping on the couch at another sister’s house (I have six of them) to living at home.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Good Catch!

        • Sherbet

          Thanks, Bury. I remembered it was a motley crew. Larry King? Does someone want to ask him if he’d sign such a petition today?

        • Mrs Libnish

          Anything by that whiner, Neil Young.

    • John P.

      It would be nice to have a single political figure that would lead the charge against the cult, but I would suggest, counterintuitively, that there’s no need for one in the US.

      We have multiple communities of people who, though they may have divergent views and backgrounds, all share a desire to rid our society of this cancer. Anons, ex’s, indies, anti-Narconon activists, armchair activists like me, and many other populations, have been able to come together, and thanks to the internet, to share information freely that benefits all. And that community has gotten results; the size and breadth of the activist scene here has shone an awful lot of sunlight into the cockroach-infested corners of the cult’s landscape, and have made a difference in Narconon, in choking off the supply of “fresh meat” and in keeping cult management on the defensive, where they make tons of mistakes because they can’t keep up with the sheer volume of attacks coming at them. In other words, scale kills.

      The size and diversity of our media ecosystem is also unique — it means that news about the cult is spreading further and faster than ever before, especially as our media understand that publishing articles about the cult won’t result in a rain of litigation like the Time Inc. suit. The scale of that media means that anybody who consumes content in this country probably has seen multiple articles about the cult, almost none of which were positive. And the scale of the media enterprise means that the cult is utterly unable to push back against the tidal wave — even with their new “crisis PR” firm, there’s no way to undo the damage when done on so massive a scale, especially when nobody at the cult, particularly not DM, is willing to go on camera to defend themselves. That has resulted in the amazing circumstance of the top 12 best-selling books on Scientology on Amazon are all critical, outstripping the cult’s most important recruiting tool, “Dianutty.”

      I’d almost say that other countries have people like Ursula, Nick Xenophon, et. al. because they need them. Without our large and well-coordinated critic/protester ecosystem, for those countries to fight the cult, they must have lone heroic individuals devoting enormous swaths of their lives to the challenge.

      Please understand that my comment here is not to detract from the determination and courage of, and the results delivered by, people like Ursula, Nick Xenophon, David Love or so many others working as individuals. I’m simply pointing out that scale, flexibility, communication and coordination of a network of people coming together is a very powerful thing. Don’t underestimate it.

      • Observer

        You are correct; however, it would be nice to have a politician or two on the national level with some actual backbone.

      • Ze Moo

        While everyone says the US was founded on religious freedom, the truth is always a little more complex then the history books say. Every religious and ethnic group that came to the US had to be the ‘unamerican wastrels’ until the majority felt they had been through the melting pot and joined the majority. The Irish Catholics went through hell until they found the ballot box and joined the power structure.

        The American power structure has always been decentralized and community based. All of the large political movements in the US were carried out by local groups who got together with other local groups and changed the laws. Emancipation, universal suffrage and even prohibition were the results of wide spread grass roots organizations. The government usually reflects the will of the people. People like Ursula (viele dank Deustchland) motivate the population to affect change.

        Scamatology will wither on the vine because it can’t maintain the cash flow needed to keep it running. It will die because it will become so out of fashion and laughable that no one will want to be associated with it. I think I’d rather see that then some government mandate or law. I just don’t trust the ‘law’ or government enough to let them decide what is a religion and what isn’t. That said, I can’t believe that Scamatology ever got a tax exemption. Their business model was obviously based on multilevel marketing, they should be paying taxes on their ‘courses’.

      • Sid Snakey

        Well, I guess that’s the “glass half full” way of looking at if John.

        However the US is not just another Scientology country like any other – it is THE Scientology country. The US is responsible to the rest of the planet for Scientology.

        Another way of looking at it therefore, is that there is not much courage to be found among US politicians.

        I read an interview last week with the former Governator which interested me. He was asked what had shocked him most about US politics, and he said it was the lack of courage in political leaders. He said they asked their military personnel every day to lay their lives on the line, but he said US political leaders would never put their careers on the line – careers came first, causes second.

      • Flynnie

        Hear hear, JP, as usual. But I really do want someone with the bully pulpit to climb on board. I really do

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        There are many local politicians and journalists who are waking up to the threat of Miscavige et al. I imagine sometime in the near future, one or more congressmen/women will be reading letters and articles about the abuses of the church into the congressional record.

  • MO Mom

    May the day come that Ursula will be able to return to the US, to bear witness at the little weasel’s sentencing hearing.

  • D.Geiger

    America always does the right thing after they have tried everything els.
    Winston Churchill
    Mabey that will be the way it works with scientology,just have to wait a while longer.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

      Doing nothing is not the same as trying everything else. Doing nothing is just as evil as the crime itself.

      • D.Geiger

        True but that is the American way besides that was what Winston Churchill said so I think he meant that when the U.S. finally gets laughed at enough from every other country then they do something only to stop the laughter and my hope is that they will want to stop it soon,as supporting scientology is becoming a very big embarrassment for them.Well that’s what I hope.

        • Poison Ivy

          Well, we’re laughed at (by the West) for our crazy tolerance of Creationism and of extreme fundamentalist views on women; we’re a total laughing stock over our refusal to make healthcare a right rather than a commodity…and of course, no Western nation can get over our fixation on an assault rifle for every child. That’s a knee slapper for them. That ridicule doesn’t change America’s stance on anything. We just fight back by doing things like boycotting French Fries.

  • Peter Robinson

    Every single Member of Congress should be sent the piece of film above, perhaps along with the testimony of Larry/Denise Brennan and others, to show them graphically what a non-religion/non-church scifiology really is. Maybe that would get them up off their fat lazy arses and end the tax exemption at the very least. One would of course hope for more i.e. a criminal prosecution against Miscavige and scifiology for perpetrating one massive fraud with subsidiary charges relating to the abuses that have gone on within scifiology.

    Regrettably L Ron Hubbard is no longer alive to be convicted, but a major case might once and for all persuade those who still cling onto the belief that scifiology has any value see that everything that has occurred has flowed directly from Hubbard and his singular madness, and that Miscavige is no more than a very effective proponent of his sick and debasing money making scheme.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I hope this interview between Ursula Caberta and Tony Ortega gets picked up by major media outlets in the U.S.

    I wish that every U.S. Congressman and Senator got a copy of this interview, along with this link and relevant quotes from L. Ron Hubbard, inventor of scientology, and the plan of scientology to take over our country and government. It is long past time for a change. Investigate the money trail. This CAN be done. And Ursula Caberta, you are an American hero. Thank you.

    “‘I once asked him why he chose young girls as messengers,’ said Doreen Smith. ‘He said it was an idea he had picked up from Nazi Germany. He said Hitler was a madman, but nevertheless a genius in his own right and the Nazi Youth was one of the smartest ideas he ever had. With young people you had a blank slate and you could
    write anything you wanted on it and it would be your writing. That was his idea, to take young people and mould them into little Hubbards.”

    http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/scientology-calls-critics-nazis.htm

    • villagedianne

      Hubbard sure succeeded in making a little Nazi out of David Miscavige.

      • stillgrace

        DM’s own mother agreed with you.

        • Captain Howdy

          “Davey sat his parents down and told them
          they were to immediately divorce and Ron senior was joining
          the Sea Org so that the Sea Org could protect him. Loretta
          was visibly hurt and upset upon hearing the verdict and
          accused her son Davey of being a little Hitler in front of
          others present. The others being Ray Mithoff, Marty Rathbun
          and Norman Starkey. Davey’s response was to scream at his
          mother until she just buried her face in her hands in grief.”

          http://www.lermanet.com/exit/miscavige.htm

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Thanks for saving me the time to find that lovely family portrait. Miscavige seems to be one of those Natural Born Cult Leaders.

        • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

          I know his parents are the ones that got him into it in the first place, but how horrible must that have been for her. That moment when you realize that your child is well and truly lost to you.

    • John P.

      Swell. The “Hubbard Youth.”

      Of course, in reality, the time for that sort of indoctrination camp has passed. How is one going to tear the kids away from their Nintendo’s, iPhones, Facebook and the like?

      For whatever reason, attempts to “program” kids in today’s world seem to be ineffective, perhaps even backfiring. I’m fascinated by what a high percentage of the Christian right who home school their kids and take them to the “creation museum” in Kentucky to “prove” that the earth is exactly 6,000 years old, end up with those kids leaving the faith. Apparently, the retention rate for far-right evangelicals’ kids staying in their parents’ faith is less than half. The harder you try to rope them in, the more they break free. The cult is a much deeper mindfk than even the most extreme forms of right-wing religious mania, so it’ll take time, but the model is broken; it won’t continue much longer. Most of the next-generation Scientology kids will come to their senses.

      • aboutandout

        South Park is a prime example of influence on youth. It is my belief that their one little episode did more damage to future recruiting then all of us combined.

        • Midwest Mom

          You are correct. It’s the the gift that keeps on giving, since it’s available for viewing 24/7 on youtube. Teens tell others about via facebook, texting, and in person, and they think the episode is hilarious and also think that Scientology is very strange. I am embarrassed to admit that my sons knew about the Xenu story before I did, because they saw that episode on youtube.

          I must also point out that Tom Cruise and John Travolta aren’t respected or seen in a positive light by the younger generation. If you mention Tom Cruise’s name or John Travolta’s name to a teenager, they laugh.

          • Poison Ivy

            Kids are still susceptible to the right kind of indoctrination (it’s got to come through media, since that is where they spend most of their time.) But thanks to the internet and South Park, Scientology’s pool of available youth has become a puddle. And most of those are children of members who get pounced on to join the Sea Org before they have a chance to think about their futures (like our dear Derek)….

            • Captain Howdy

              From what i’ve seen on the net there’s a lot young people joining the Cult of L Ron Paul and Alex Jones. It’s depressing.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I am 53 and when you mention Tom Cruise to me, I laugh too.

            Sorry…I am behind in my jejune commentary today.

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              Not me. You mention him to me and my skin crawls.

          • noseinabk

            For the cult these celebrities may have been the draw but for the younger
            generation they are a joke. My 24yr old daughter was not at all aware of the cult. She was
            very disappointed to learn that Travolta was in. As a young teen she had a
            brief one on one with him during the filming of Ladder 49. When she came out she
            said “I know its weird but he is such a beautiful man”.

            Now My son (19) on the other hand likes when I point out the ronbots. It amuses me that he
            is always shocked.

      • InTheNameOfXenu

        Adding to this, kids nowadays are not tough like the old generation. While the 60′s generation were a tough bunch and pulled off a ‘Snow White’ operation, today’s kids are soft by comparison and won’t take the abuse. They are not aggressive and are spoiled. With technology right at their finger tips many won’t resist to Google ‘Scientology’ on the internet and really find out what’s going on. So what you wrote about the Evangelical kids is becoming a reality within the Scientological Camp.

      • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

        John P., do you read Fred Clark’s blog? The Christian right is losing kids in droves because they are giving kids two choices: believe in all these ridiculous, factually incorrect things, and live EXACTLY this way (a way that’s particularly hard on girls and women), or leave.

        I’m sure kids are psychologically just as likely to fall for scams — except now there’s the internet. It’s natural for anyone with even a small level of computer savvy to go to Google to find out more about something. And you can’t keep your kid in Alabama from talking to a kid in India once they get out of the house.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

          Pat Robertson, of all people, though still sounding as loopy as ever, warns a creationist mom that if she tries to deny “revealed science” (the preservation of dinosaurs is apparently a revelation from God; he throws Bishop Ussher, the guy who came up with the 4004 BC creation date, under the bus as “not inspired”) then “you’re going to lose your children”:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Htf9ylcwQc

        • aboutandout

          Hell you can’t even stop them when they are still live at home…I locked down the TV and the internet and gave myself a big ole pat on the back. Yep’er missed the big FLAW in that plan. They went to their friends house and watched their TV and used their computer….palm plant to the forehead for that master plan. At the end of the day children have a wonderful natural curiosity and a whole bunch of friends to help them with it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=661239103 Mimi Armagh Parrow

    It’s sad to see Ursula step down but she’s spot on when she says our government is doing NOTHING.

    • mirele

      It’s because of the privileged position of religion in America. So con men (like Hubbard) who latch on to religion are able to get away with murder because, well, it’s Jesus, or Xenu…

      • dbloch7986

        The DoJ will rue the day that another religion pops up using the Scientology model. Once people realize that all manner of crimes can be committed in the name of religion, they might start popping up everywhere. Then the US would have an epidemic on it’s hands.

        • Captain Howdy

          There have been $cn offshoots like The Process, EST, Berkeley Psychic Institute/Church of Divine Man and NXIVM. Thankfully none of them have achieved any real success except EST, now called Landmark Education, for a brief time.

          • Poison Ivy

            Many of these present as “self help,” however – like Landmark Forum formerly EST, The Process, etc. Which it could be argued they are ( I know a lot of people in Hollywood who swear by The Forum courses they took – and they are pretty normal. Problem is, like Scientology, once you have taken a course, they will never let you alone.) So at least they are taxed like businesses. I am furious that my considerable tax dollars indirectly help support a tax-free Scientology. American could use all that money they owe us.
            Speaking of EST, whatever happened to Werner Erhardt? Didn’t he disappear?

            • Captain Howdy

              He sold the biz to his brother and fled the country because he claimed that CofS was trying to kill him, and there was a 60 Minutes expose were his daughters and wife accused him of molestations and beatings. Werner supposedly believes CofS was behind this also.

            • pronoia

              He was pretty effectively fair gamed by scientology and did take off in a boat (no joke!) for a time. But he seems to have somehow lived through it all and is still out and about hustling stuff. http://www.wernererhard.com/

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Hiding in plain site in the Cayman Islands?

          • stillgrace

            Holy Xenu, Captain! The Berkeley Psychic Institute???!!! I just went down a little rabbit hole to understand why you included them in your list! The fact that the Co$ declared them an SP was a revealing shock!

            I visited the institute in Berkeley with friends twice in the mid seventies. Once for a “reading” (where I learned about one of my “past lives”) and once for a seminar on rainbow chakra meditation (or something like that). I didn’t have a clue then or now (up until an hour ago) that Bostwick ripped off Hubbard’s ideas and was most likely almost as crazy!

            The experiences there were mostly entertaining and a pleasant social event with my friends. I realize NOW that I had a brush with “cult craziness”, but escaped unharmed. I now have this urge to read Hassan’s book!

            P.S. I can still summon up visual images of colors, in order, with my eyes closed! ROYGBIV!!

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s fascinating. I spent most of the early 80′s running wild around Berkley and I don’t ever remember seeing the place. Then again that was a few billion brain cells ago.

            • stillgrace

              One of my friends went on to take additional courses there. I believe my friend really had what could be termed ‘psychic abilities’. He didn’t go for any of their “degree” or “certificate” programs, however, and is a well-adjusted business owner and family man today with no cult affiliations.

              Here’s an interesting blog written by an alumni:

              http://berkeleypsychiccult.blogspot.com/

              I found his September 22, 2012 blog especially interesting.

            • N. Graham

              Me too! Lived there in 1981-82 and again in 1985. Don’t remember the Berkeley Psychic Institute but do remember some kind of alternative school where I took a hypnotism course.

            • Captain Howdy

              Yea 81-82 ..Barrington Hall..KALX..Telegraph Ave.. FTW !

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              What’s I?
              RedOrangeYellowGreenBlue?Violet

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Indigo

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              Ah ha. I thought of that after I posted, but wasn’t sure because to me blue=indigo.

            • stillgrace

              It could be called dark blue or midnight blue.

          • pronoia

            Landmark is still around and quite popular in “the biz” but its adherents purposely keep a very very low profile. And they certainly don’t stalk anyone who drifts away.

            • Sherbet

              I had an EST-adherent co-worker, and, man, was she obnoxious and confusing when she’d spout philosophy. The one thing I remember her saying is that EVERYTHING is the individual’s responsibility in some cosmic way, even if it occurs 5,000 miles away.

            • Captain Howdy

              Actually there are more similarities between Landmark and Co$ than even I thought.

              http://www.apologeticsindex.org/l30.html

      • Tomato Thetan

        I support a “privileged position” of religion in America, mirele. I don’t want the government telling me I can’t wear hijab–as in France–or that I must wear hijab–as in Saudi Arabia. I want the government to leave me and everyone else alone in our practice of our religion. I completely support anyone who wants to believe in Xenu. But let’s not lump in Co$, a pay-as-you-go commercial enterprise, with groups that truly seek whatever benefit they receive from some set of spiritual beliefs. I wasn’t there, but I doubt Paul encouraged followers of The Way to put money on account for future services or to donate money for a building that promised to help them attain super powers. It’s precisely when we start talking about Co$ as a religion–just as corrupt or awful as all other religions–that we end up supporting it’s tax-exempt status and freedom from government oversight.

    • Peter

      I believe that if Ayn Rand were still alive, she and Ursula would have made a powerful combination! Bravo! Ursula. Be sure your book is released in English at the same time the German version appears. Like Wright’s book, it will likely be an instant best seller!

      • D.Geiger

        Reason is not automatic.Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it.
        Ayn Rand
        They would have been a great team.

      • villagedianne

        Unfortunately Ayn Rand founded a little cult of her own:

        http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html

        Some disturbing parallels to Hubbard, but then I guess cults have their similarities. Rand may have had some good ideas, but like Hubbard, she couldn’t live up to them. I guess that’s true of most people, but most people are not cult leaders.

        • D.Geiger

          That is very true but the fact that she was a women in that time made her an icon.She wrote tons of stuff that I think were just batshit crazy but she also wrote stuff that made sense.So wierd how the mind really works.

          • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

            Yes because there were literally no other female intellectuals at that time, none, zilch, zero.

            What made her an icon is she said that being rich means you are better than everyone else and being selfish is good and helping those icky poor people is bad and it’s their fault they’re poor anyway. That’s an easy sell to rich people, no matter who the messenger is. It’s one of the pillars of Scientology, in fact — something bad happens to you, it’s your fault. Something good happens, you deserved it. “Big beings” versus “wogs”. It’s all cultish nonsense.

      • pronoia

        I can’t figure out how one can bemoan the lack of government protection / action and the lionize Ayn Rand in one sentence! Or said differently, celebrate Ursula’s activism (as a govt worker – something Rand despised) and Rand who believed that the free market would take care of everything w/out the interference of govt regulation!

        • Captain Howdy

          Yeah, Social Darwinism and $cientology seem like they were made for each other to me.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I thought Scientology was Social Darwinism?

    • D.Geiger

      When she says our goverment is doing nothing that is an understatement,our government is protecting them with our tax dollars.It may seem a bit paradoxical but people that have to worry about new shoes for their children because of taxes are being forced to support scientology instead and all of us are forced to support the politicians that allow them to keep doing what they do which we all know is evil.It is mind boggling how this really works.

  • dbloch7986

    Oh Scientologists, always so anxious to prove to the world what a kind, caring, loving group of people you are. We can definitely see how you are one step above the rest of society; much more civilized and sane than the rest of us. Your originality never ceases to amaze me. I think this is the first time I have ever heard someone insult someone else by calling them a “Nazi”.

    I’m sad that Urusla is stepping down, but I am happy for everything she has done in the fight against organized crime shielded by religion.

    ETA: Another reason I love the video is because with all the millions of Scientologists in the world only about 15 or 20 managed to show up in their mecca to greet Ursula.

  • Vistaril

    Love you, Ursula.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=664333811 Paul Sheehan

    My question is how long will it take for Scientology to FU@K it all up in Germany. No doubt they will see this as a green light to act up and do something stupid that will either hurt people or give us something to laugh at.

    • John P.

      They have already fk’d up in Germany. Mike Rinder and others have reported that the elevators in the 8-story Berlin org are no longer working because they can’t pay the bill for the maintenance contract. Wonder how they explain to the handful of auditing customers that they have to walk up seven flights of stairs to get to the auditing rooms.

      Members ought to be dying of embarrassment on about now, when they walk in the door of the only building in the re-united city of Berlin that is in the pathetic, rundown shape of the typical office building under the government of East Germany.

    • Ze Moo

      The CO$ is dying in Germany just like it is dying in the US, because the money is going to the IAS and other central CO$ operations. There isn’t much money left to operate or even advertise in Europe these days. Miscavige really screwed the pooch when he cut the advertising budget.

      • Poison Ivy

        Or goofed the floof….

  • Captain Howdy

    Xenu Bless Ursula Caberta ! She has bigger balls then Miscavige’s and Cruise’s vacuous sociopathic heads put together.

    There’s a German TV movie called “Until Nothing Remains” about one German family’s involvement with the cult and I believe Ursula is suppose to be one of the characters in the film.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFRt5rPYoBc

    “Once the world is Clear – a nation, a state, a city or a village – the Scientology-organization in the area becomes its government! And once this has taken place the only policy accepted as valid is Scientology policy.”
    - L Ron Hubbard

    • Poison Ivy

      I saw that movie – maybe you even recommended it, Captain! It’s really excellent and infuriating. And I’m sure it’s representative of hundreds of cases.

  • http://twitter.com/cultexpert Steve Hassan

    Watching the Mark Bunker video brought back memories. When I went down to Clearwater to help with the Lisa McPherson Memorial, Scientologists picketed my Somerville office in nazi uniforms, my neighbors told me, holding signs like “Come join Steve’s Hassan’s attack on religion” and went to all my neighbors and told them I was a criminal, etc.. I dedicated Releasing the Bonds and its paperback/ e book updated edition, Freedom of Mind, “To the spirit of Lisa McPherson and everyone who yearns to be free”

    Bob Minton, Stacy Brooks, Jesse Prince, Mark Bunker and so many others were so outrageously courageous. Bob Minton personally bought copies of Releasing the Bonds, upfront, so I could afford to print it. I will be eternally grateful to him. May he rest in peace.

    Now so many of the people who harassed us are now free and out of the cult. Some have apologized directly to me for things like going through my trash cans looking for information for the cult.

    My new book is being published in German and should come out shortly and I will be returning to give talks, so while I am disappointed to learn that funding is low to fight Scientology and other cults, I remain hopeful that more people will come out and tell their stories.

    • 1subgenius

      Cheers Steve, keep up the good work.

    • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

      I did not know that Bob Minton helped with the publication of Freedom of Mind in this way. That book helped me immensely when I got out in 2000. And so did the Lisa McPherson Trust.

      By the way, Steve, we’ve “met” before, although you are probably not aware of it.

      I write about it here on my blog:

      http://alanzosblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/undercover-as-agent-for-office-of.html

      Alanzo

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Alanzo,
        OT, but I started reading “The Righteous Mind” and it is proving to be a very interesting read.
        Good recommendation. Thanks.

        • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

          Glad you like it. I loved it.

          I really needed to read that book.

          • stillgrace

            Sorry if I missed a previous explanation, but I have a question about “The Righteous Mind” by Jonathan Haidt. On Amazon, I “peeked” inside and the copyright is 2012, the paperback is “First Vintage Books Edition, January 2013, and it says the book will be rereleased on February 12, 2013.

            Should I wait to purchase this book? Is he revising it heavily? Thanks for any information.

            • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

              I don’t know if he is revising the book. There are a lot of references to social science research in the book, as he is a social scientist. He may very well update it. I can’t see how the main lessons, and the main metaphors he uses to lay the groundwork for social psychology would change, though.

      • Sidney18511

        Alanzo, I just read your blog and the window to your mind at that time of your life was fascinating. Question: you mentioned that you brought your family into the cult, and I would like to know if there are any still trapped in there?

        • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

          No one is left in the cult from my family.

          When I left, the cult tried to destroy us by threatening my sister and brother in law with declare if they did not disconnect from me. They also told my 83 year old father, who had just lost his wife to Alzheimer’s after ten years of trying to take care of her, that I was a “criminal on the run from the law”, and that is why I moved back to Illinois from LA. I had actually moved back to help him, but he was very confused and not doing well and at the end of his life. He distrusted me because of this and died before I could get fully reconcile with him.

          My sister and brother in law told them to go to hell and did not disconnect.

          There is a lot more to my story which I have not put up on my blog.

          I will be telling my story in other forms in the future.

          Alanzo

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Please, please do, Alanzo. Just reread your story and it is the Best story of your average scientologist and how they bat back common sense. The First Disconnect is with your own reality. Your writing style is a one-two punch. Your wit makes even the sci crazy easy to digest, but then your brain kicks in with a wtf? and makes you reread that last sentence again.

            I love your “The Prisoner” icon/metaphor. Did you know that The Village was based on a real place (and I found out why the character is dubbed #6)? Also called the “Cooler” I couldn’t help thinking this Prison/Resort reminds me so much of The Hole. The only minor difference are: there is no World War and Hemet is in The United States of America. lol.

            http://www.theunmutual.co.uk/inverlair.htm

            • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

              Thanks, THDNE.

              People who have adopted ideologies to do their thinking for them have killed more people in the 20th century than any century before. Fascism, Communism, Scientology – they are all the same kind of solution to …what? A world that is not perfect? A world where people all think differently?

              Things like The Hole can only exist where people are no longer thinking for themselves, but letting an ideology do their thinking for them.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Ooh, dare I say it….I am hoping for another book!
            You write beautifully. Like Hole said, you have an interesting and captivating style and I can put myself in your shoes when reading what you write.
            You make me understand it in a way most people can’t.
            That is a pretty rare gift.

            Especially THIS subject!

            • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

              I really appreciate this, BTN. I am working on some very good ideas right now and trying to stay away from what everyone else is doing.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Good. Your voice is unique and your own.
              It is the voice inside!

              You have my full attention A. :)

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

              I agree. I find Alanzo’s comments to be some of the best.

          • cultwife

            The tale of your father breaks my heart, Alanzo.

            • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

              Yeah. Mine too. They got in a few good licks on me.

              And I’ve gotten in a few good licks on them, too.

          • aquaclara

            Sorry about your dad, Alonzo. He raised great kids, though – your sister and brother in law did great in getting out and in sticking by you. Looking forward to your book now! How on earth did it go from the “I want to help the world” to “Oh, what the f@#$ did I get myself into now?”
            After reading more on your blog yesterday, I saw all the stories on VV and elsewhere on Biggi Reichert, and had to go read them all. I am late to the stories, but catching up….Your stories, and others, surely help keep more of this miserable crap from happening to others….thanks so much.

      • aquaclara

        Alanzo, your OSA undercover story is fascinating. So glad you talked yourself out of the cult mindset…Maybe the beer helped! Thanks for sharing (even if I am a few years behind on seeing the story since you posted it). I also appreciated the Biggi Reichert story you cover on your site. wow. so sad for her family.

        • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

          Thanks, aquaclara.

          I really did think that way. There are Scientologists who still think that way.

          Alanzo

      • DeElizabethan

        Well, I guess I have some more reading to do on your blog Alanzo! Interesting, that I was doing that in early 80′s and then they said oh, ’84 changes, no more members to spy, only paid PI’s. Liars again and I always felt it and now know for sure. Thanks love.

        • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

          Yeah, Chicago was one of the most active OSAs in the country in the 1980s because of the war against CAN, which was based there. I personally know many fellow undercover agents for the Church of Scientology who were working for OSA into the late 1980′s – all Scientologists.

          Marty, Mike, and Dave were the biggest liars on the planet. They would personally tell any lie, and tell others to lie, to get you to give your loyalty, your life, and your resources to them.

          Their problem is that sincere people actually got caught up in their lies. They probably never really thought through what kind of effect that would end up having on them.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

        Alanzo, you have a date of December 2007 on your story but you mention Anonymous in the opening. The Anonymous movement against Scientology didn’t kick off until January 2008…..did you update it at some point?

        • http://www.AlanzosBlog.com/ Alanzo

          LOL. I changed the dates so that they would appear in correct order on the blog. In the biography section of the blog, none of the post dates are accurate. This story was written sometime in 2008 or 2009.

      • Unex Skcus

        Thanks mate, that post on your blog has a really interesting perspective!

    • Poison Ivy

      “Some have apologized directly to me for things like going through my trash cans looking for information for the cult.” Steve, that is wonderful to hear. I’m sure it is as much a part of their healing as it is yours. Thanks for all you do.

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      The cultists are no idea how ridiculous they behaved picketing you like that. I was in Scientology over 20 years ago. They would never have convinced me to behave like that and I was on staff at a Class IV org too. I guess I was a rebel even within the organization. I was able to see inconsistencies, hypocrisy and abuse from the very beginning. Being close to my family who weren’t Scientologists helped me keep perspective. Thinking back, life was very constrained and oppressive inside the Scientology-reality bubble.

  • villagedianne

    This is a bit off-topic but not really. A blog post about COS expansion in foriegn countries that have no extradition treaty with the US:

    http://nomoreliesscn.blogspot.com/2013/01/scientologys-bad-times-why-i-am-afraid.html

    The anti-COS infowar has to go global?

    • Poison Ivy

      Hmmmm….places to watch out for when Davey flies the coop….

      • villagedianne

        Yep!

      • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

        Just keep an eye out for which one is building the gaudiest Idle Org.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Davey is a citizen of Italy. Makes me curious?
        Not about the boot…but territories?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

    Gore Vidal was one celebrity that spoke out after being bamboozled into signing a document that trashed Germany for their ‘religious bigotry’:

    http://www.factnet.org/node/1370/#gorevidal

    I love his description of Hubbard in this quote, “He exuded evil, malice, and stupidity,’ says the historical novelist, ‘but perfectly amiable to talk to.’”

    • Sherbet

      That’s a terrific link, Deck. Thanks for posting it.

    • Poison Ivy

      Ditto Sherbert on that quote. Never heard it before. I think it sums it up. (I know a few Hollywood producers and agents like this…)

    • Ziontologist

      I like Gore Vidal. That’s a great quote … and an astute observation.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        L. Ron Hubbard: blahblahblahblahblahblahxenublahblahblahengramblahblahblahthetanblahblahblah

        Gore Vidal: Oh for Christ sakes Ron; write something, even if it’s just a suicide note.

        RIP to the Patron Saint of Snark!

    • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

      That was very cool. Very diverse group the quotes came from.

  • jensting

    I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Ursula, she’s a hero. Lovely work and have a great time from now on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Damian-DeWitt/100000143081032 Damian DeWitt

    Ursula Caberta will always be counted among the very greatest of fighters against the abuses and crimes of Scientology. She is absolutely correct that Scientology is fundamentally contrary to the liberal democratic constitional order, and this emphasis is nearly entirely missing from Scientology criticism in the US.

    It is unlikely that the US will have a figure of national importance taking on the task of opposing Scientology. There are two major difference between the countries that militate against this.

    The first is that Germany like many European countries operates with a multi-party democracy and coalition governements while the US remains a two-party system. A multi-party system is more likely to produce politicians willing to counter Scientology because the risks are lessened.

    The second factor is the relative unimportance of religious pluralism in Germany and countries like Australia and the strong separation of church and state that prevails in the US.

    There are basically only two churches in Germany, the Lutheran and Catholic churches. Both of these have been outspoken opponents of Scientology and maintain Cult Commissioners whose job it is to educate families on the threat cults pose to them and provide help to families whose children have been trapped in cults. Moreover, there are political parties such as the Christian Democrats that are explicitly confessional, and there is nothing like this in the US.

    There has been no political or religious figure of national importance who has ever criticized Scientology with the exception of Republican Mitch Daniels, who has recently retired as Governor of Indiana to become President of Purdue University. He was sued by Scientology for calling it a money-making business. But his opposition was made before a became an important political figure.

    Meanwhile we have the spectacle of Democratic congressmen Sheila Jackson Lee and Danny Davis, and Republican Dan Burton appearing to give their blessing to the opening of Scientology’s “National Office” in DC. This would be unthinkable in Germany.

    One of the most unfortunate aspects of recognition of Scientology’s claims to religious legitimacy by US Courts and the IRS is that many politicans believe they must woo Scientology as a legitimate religions organization on a par with the Catholic Church and the churches of the Southern Baptist convention, the two largest denominations in the US.

    Recognition of Scientology’s religious claims only demands that Scientologists not be discriminated against in the strictest of legal contexts. There is no consitutional right for mayors to name streets after L. Ron Hubbard and grant awards to the Drug Free Marshals and Youth For Human Rights International.

    Whatever political opposition is most likely to arise at country and state levels as the result of vigorous citizen grassroots activism aimed at Scientology front groups who cannot hide behind “ministerial exception.”

    Anonymous achieved a swift and stunning defeat of The Way To Happiness in its attempt complete with the allure of Nancy Cartwright to install its program of “character formation” in Illinois schools. Anonymous has likewise successfully countered Narconon in Oklahoma and Georgia.

    This sort of bottom up activism seems to me to be the way forward in creating political opposition to Scientology.

    • Ze Moo

      “Moreover, there are political parties such as the Christian Democrats that are explicitly confessional,” I don’t think the ‘confessional’ part applies to German politics. Western Europe is so atheist these days that party names like ‘christian democrat’ don’t apply much to the party platform.

    • Sidney18511

      Religion has become so politicized here in the USA, there isn’t a politician that would touch it with a ten foot pole. Knowing nothing about Scientology the fanaticals here would assume that their religion would be the next on the chopping block. The criminal element of cos would have to be brought to the forefront via a court ruling before people would really understand the danger. Scientology, which has been doing a pretty good job by itself would have to internally combust at its on hand. Then Americans would see and understand that it is not a religion at all, but a scam.

  • BosonStark

    For me, the highlight of embarrassment, U.S. vs. Germany re Scientology, came in January 1997 — although it was at only at the fringe of my awareness at the time — the open letter to then-Chancellor Helmut Kohl published as a newspaper ad, drawing parallels between the “organized oppression” of Scientologists in Germany and Nazi policies espoused by Germany in the 1930s. So, I read that ad about five years ago, and just cringed.

    It was paid for by Bert Fields (attorney for Cruise, Travolta) and signed by 34 prominent figures in the U.S. entertainment industry, including Dustin Hoffman, Oliver Stone, Mario Puzo, Gore Vidal (!!!) and Larry King.

    This led to lobbying efforts in Washington, (by Cruise and Travolta) and the far reaching influence Ursula mentioned to Tony. I now feel the antidote to that whole episode is the Wright book — gotcha — with the truth! The ultimate key, as Ursula knows, is Hubbard himself and the Hollywood connections, which Wright exposed so well. By that I mean the abuses alone are not enough to warn some of the people who find Scientology’s promises and literature soooo attractive.

    However, I agree, that even if Wright’s book turns into a hoopla of fascination over the stranger-than-fiction qualities of it, Scientology will do everything it can to capitalize on the buzz — just the word Scientology in the air — to attract people who are vulnerable and want to go for a walk on the wild (and expensive) side of Venus, or whatever.

    However, I think it’s going to be the friends and relatives of people who get involved today, that will make the difference. And in Germany, Ursula has set the stage for their awareness, and provided a model worldwide for a responsible government official and how concerned people should be about the abuses and methods of Scientology.

    Thank you for what you have accomplished Ursula.

    • Poison Ivy

      Sure, there is an argument to be made about religious oppression and infringement of the 1st amendment any time someone comes out against a religion. HOWEVER, there is another part of the 1st amendment. It’s about freedom of expression. Which means it’s okay to criticize a religion. Hate speech and criticism are not the same thing. If Westboro Baptist Church has a 1st amendment right to picket military funerals (disgusting), then any one of us has a 1st amendment right to speak out and tell the TRUTH about the fraud and abuses perpetrated by the CO$. I’m proud to say that my elderly Catholic Dad was out there writing letters and picketing to get the Pope to do something about the church’s pedophile priests. He wasn’t harassed, ex-communicated, or otherwise blackballed by the same church he was protesting. He went and took communion on Sunday just like everybody else. Scientology is absolutely anti-American in its attempts to suppress criticism, and the German government is smart to recognize Totalism when they see it (they should know, after all.)

      • Chocolate Velvet

        Thanks for sharing this about your Dad, PI. Many members of the CC have spoken out against the abuses of their leadership, which is the right thing to do. The US government has affirmed their right to criticize, and to bring criminal complaints when appropriate. Also the right thing to do.

        Even if you accept the premise that it is just another religion, why is scientology given special status and protection by the US gov’t that other churches are not? That is the question the American press should be asking.

        Just for contrast, imagine if our current president started scolding France or the UK for their policies against veils or other trappings of Islam, and the justice department shut down investigations of radical Islamist groups for fear of religious discrimination? How would that be
        reported here? That is how this story should be
        reported, IMO. Abuse is abuse.

        • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

          why is scientology given special status and protection by the US gov’t that other churches are not

          I think it’s because of celebrity culture. For some reason, we think Dustin Hoffman has more to say about human rights than the average person on the street does, when he probably has less, because a rich white straight male is not gonna know a whole lot about oppression from personal experience. Also, if there’s one thing celebrity culture is good at, it’s selling itself. LRH had a good idea when he decided to bring Hollywood into the cult; a bunch of pretty, rich, not-so-educated people who are extremely vulnerable to flattery.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Gosh I wish Lindsay Lohan would become a Scientologist!

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              God no, then we’d hear even more about her.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Can you imagine being assigned to her as her minder?
              Enturbulation Station!

            • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

              That might be the fastest way to get people out of the cult. Who could last a weekend with her? Or, God forbid, her mother?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Now you got my logic!
              I say take the whole family and make them Ron bots.
              They would eat themselves!

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          You forgot that when the abuses of the Catholic Church first started to be reported in the 1980s, there was much discussion of religious persecution, and the first accusers were ostracized by their parishes. Change doesn’t happen all at once.

      • Mrs Libnish

        That is well said!

  • Anon Nom Nom

    Now Caberta is writing a book? I’m starting to think it will be easier to just assume that everyone is writing a book and just point out when someone is not writing one.

    This is awesome.

  • scnethics

    In that video, the guy in the glasses is OT VII, Craig Burton. At the time of that video he was working for Bennetta Slaughter at AMC Publishing, where Lisa McPherson had worked. He was Lisa’s manager at the time of her death. Here’s a nice tidbit from his interview with investigators where they caught him lying:

    “SA Feola asked BURTON about any written reports he may have submitted regarding
    McPHERSON, specifically about McPHERSON’s behavior while attending the Insurance
    Conference in Orlando, Florida. BURTON initially began to deny any written correspondence
    about McPHERSON. After a brief conference with Attorney Cacciatore, BURTON recalled he did,
    in fact, write a written report. The nine page written report was reviewed by BURTON who read
    the report owing to poor penmanship. BURTON stated he was requested to write a report by
    Brenda Hubert and it was submitted to someone at the 210 S. Fort Harrison location. BURTON
    could not recall the individual in which the report was submitted. BURTON stated he wrote the
    report owing to the odd behavior exhibited by McPHERSON which was observed by several
    individuals, (Brenda Hubert, Craig Burton, Brian Rakestraw and Benetta Slaughter) who attended
    the conference. BURTON stated Franz Reiter may also have been present as Reiter attended
    the conference for a short period with Benetta Slaughter. All concerned parties reviewed the
    statement previously written by BURTON and the contents contained therein. BURTON verified
    he was the author of the report furnished via a subpoena by the Church of Scientology. It was
    brought to BURTON’s attention that page number eight was missing from his report. BURTON
    could not recall where or if a page number eight (which is missing) was written. BURTON stated
    he could not recall whether there was a page eight or not.”

    • BuryTheNuts2

      If he was an OT VII than he was WAY past Clear. So where is this “Perfect Memory” you are supposed to achieve with Clear?
      Oh wait, It is Scientology and Lying trumps the OT powerz that don’t exist anyway.
      Silly me.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I am Not making this up, BTN. Here’s a photo Mr. Butt put up of himself on one of those Meetup sites. On Linkd’n he lists himself as Public Relations and Communication guy. Would upi buy services from St Butt? (filing in the “Appears Mental” cabinet)

        http://photos4.meetupstatic.com/photos/member/1/f/4/c/highres_45668012.jpeg

        • BuryTheNuts2

          OH MY.

          umkay! I am thinking that is a NO!

        • Captain Howdy

          Oh my fecking word ! Uncle Fester is a scilon ? Why does he have sun beams coming out of his festering head ?

          • Sherbet

            Uncle Fester finally swallowed the lightbulb!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I know, right? I actually put this in the wrong place. This is Al Buttnor, guy in the Ursula video, and Edmonton’s embarrassment.

      • 0tessa

        First you get clear, so that you can remember everything. Later on you’ll do the ‘Lying TR’s”, where you learn to lie to anyone that looks like a wog, a journalist, whatever. Much later, and much poorer, you’ll get to the ‘Truth Revealed’, after which you’ll be probably strongly advised to say nothing about, or even lie about to wogs, journalists, etc. Of course, this ‘truth’ revealed is THE BIG LIE!

        • DeElizabethan

          Otessa, must tell you how I relate to what you say, to myself. Another onion peel!

          Yes, one is in a supposedly clear state then go off and do non optimum, or evil acts, not necessarily criminal, forgetting one’s own betterment, one is doing for the church group only. Then you wake up along the way and the real truth is revealed by some manner, as seeing these people are not really enemies. You then put on the forgetter cap (my words) and your memory thereafter is lessened and truth hidden. Because you don’t want to really remember the names, dates, only what was written, kept and turned in. Personally that happened to me and only for a year having researched the church, and then my part of it, did I start to remember and look at the part I played in it. My memory has improved and getting closer to normal even with old age now and am able to see the Big Lies even to myself. An embarrassing and shameful period of life. That’s why I love this blog and am grateful to all the people here who put up with me and stand by.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I love you Dee!

          • Midwest Mom

            Dee, you are a merchant of chaos, and a very smershy one, I might add! You are supah cool!

          • stillgrace

            Good to see you back, Dee. Hope you are refreshed!

          • 0tessa

            Bless you.
            Don’t feel ashamed though, or guilty. Children who have been abused feel often guilty.They are not! People who have been abused mentally and otherwise in Scientology, are not guilty!
            You were not to know.

  • moxonmoxoff

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: nice religion you got there.

    That video is totally sickening. You’re going to rid the world of war and crime . . . by warring against people and committing crimes? *smh* But good for Caberta–it’s always heartening to see people standing up for what’s right and good. Great reporting as usual, Tony.

    • Poison Ivy

      True that, Moxie. I watched it yesterday when I first read the news of Ursula retiring. I too was wondering what happened to the shouters in that video. Are they all still in?
      My question to any Scientologist – indie or “corporate” – is, how can you claim you’re the only ones who can save the world…if this is your solution?

  • Truthiwant

    Ursula Caberta is a very fine and brave person.

    I am dumbfounded by the story of the OT7 that having left scientology went to visit Ursula
    Caberta, who is a known SP for the organization in Germany, to ask her if she
    could phone Clearwater so that he could do his OT8. What the f… does that mean?
    Where are these OT’s living or are they so lost in space that they have no more
    reality with the real world? Talk about brain washing.

  • Sherbet

    Just a reminder for anyone in the Boston area:

    http://brattlefilm.org/2013/01/31/lawrence-wright/

  • Timothy Seward

    As

    • BuryTheNuts2

      if

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    First, on behalf of the good people of Toronto, I would to apologize for the actions of Al Buttnor. He spent a lot of time in Edmonton, though, and the people of that city have to share the heat. And, just maybe, he never got over that sexual abuse charge back in 1991 (http://holysmoke.org/cos/buttnor.htm ).

    So, can you imagine the scene in Clearwater?

    “Ursula Caberta is coming to town. What are we going to do!!!”

    “I’m afraid there is nobody in America smart enough to deal with that suppressive. We will have to get someone from another country to quarterback our assault. I know!! Al Buttnor of Toronto! They speak French up there. The French hate the Germans. He’s our man.”

    Ten hours later a man in a parka and mukluks enters a packed board room at the Fort Harrison. A rather short man with piercing eyes is seated at the end of a table. He says, “Buttnor, no OT8 can tell us, no shatter suppression grad can tell us, no OSA smartypants can tell us. Only you can advice us on this attack. What do we do?”

    Buttnor, sucks in his gut, takes a puff on his cigarette and looks across the table. A hush, falls as his answer fills the room. “We go down to the airport and when she gets off the plane, we chant, “Nazi criminal, go back to Germany. Nazi criminal, go back to Germany.” The members of the board smile at the simple genius of the plan.

    Al Buttnor was given a carton of Kools, a medal of valor, a really neat looking trophy and an OT promotion. He fell soundly to sleep that night imagining Stacy Brooks in the movie role of “Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS”.

    • Captain Howdy

      Dyanne Thorne was good but I’m definitely down with the Stacy Brooks fantasy bit.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        You all are perv’s!

        God bless you every one.

    • dbloch7986

      LOL This post is the embodiment of perfection.

    • John P.

      Comment of the week. Maybe of the month.

  • AnonymousSP

    Ursula fought the good fight and should take the time to relax and write her book. As the critics say, when one falls moar will be in place to fight the good fight. I’m saving my money so I can buy multiple copes of her upcoming book. My own little war chest, so to speak.

  • Truthiwant

    Out of curiosity, are any of the scientologists that shout at Ursula Caberta out of
    the organization now? The guy that shouts out “Nazi criminal, go back to
    Germany”, you can see him in other films filmed by Mark Bunker, for instance
    the one outside the Fort Harrison with Robert Minton protesting.

  • InTheNameOfXenu

    So much truth about Scientology has been disseminated in Germany that even with Ursula retiring and her department shut down, it would be impossible for a Scientology resurgence in Germany. The way I see it the cult is retreating. They can’t put up a fight like they used to. Just looking at that video of those dozen or so brain-washed Scilons. I found it remarkable that OSA was able to conjure up that many people to intimidate Ursula. Nowadays, not even a cult spokes person will go in front of the camera after the PR foot-bullets created by Tommy Davis.

    The internet is like a river that is crashing down on Scientology and there is little they can do about it. It’s Death by Truth.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      “Death by Truth.” And a long and tortured death at that. If you listen closely, you can hear the death rattle. Folks are already preparing for the wake. I have my outfit picked out for the occasion: I will be borrowing Captain’s bear suit, paired with a smart black hat and veil, a razor-wire necklace around my neck, and a chicken leg purse. Ok— yes, I am on caffeine overdose today…

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I like your style. Especially the razor wire necklace….In fact, you just gave me a design idea. THANKS!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’m going as a melting emeter Salvadore Dali style. And one of those helmets that hold beer cans on the side, but mine will be solo soup cans.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Lol, you must live too close to the museum.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I love the new building! HOK architects finally made up for that awful stadium! I grew up with the H and K’s family.
              http://www.thecoolist.com/salvadore-dali-museum-st-petersburg-florida/

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I do to! It is a way cool building.
              I especially love those lucite chairs they have in the courtyard.

              Oh, and the Artwork wasn’t so bad either.

          • Sidney18511

            Hole…….that actually made coffee shoot out of my nose’

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              so sorry. Hate to waste coffee.

    • Ze Moo

      South Park and the Tom Cruise video really brought the truth out into the open. It is killing the cult. All the people who were ‘fair gamed’ and harassed by the cult can tell their story and get lots of exposure. The Truth will indeed set you free.

    • BosonStark

      After the release of the Wright book, Tommy “Xenu” Davis couldn’t possibly go on TV and ever be questioned. The interviewer would bring up what he said himself, about the whole thing being based on a lie, and being a lie if Dr. Hubtard weren’t blinded in the war and healed by Dianutty. No more spokesliars for the cult appearing on TV ever, probably.

      One interviewer of Wright put it well recently, when he said that THE LOOMING TOWER, to him, was the best book of the decade, and that Wright has uncontested respect for his research and writing, except by Sciloons of course, by letter, or one top Sciloon at least.

      What does Scientology have? A heap of money, nutty Hubbard, deluded Tom Cruise, closeted John Travolta and violent, uneducated high school dropout David Miscavige, with his “disappeared” wife.

      It was never much of a surprise to me that Scientology was fairly successful in Germany, because a lot of young Germans/Austrians think American culture is cool. The surprise for me, was that in France, it was successful, but it shows the international power of Hollywood. Besides all the exposure Scientology is getting, I think the Internet has at least demystified American culture, opened it all to anyone who wants to view it. Of course, Scientology promoted itself as a major International thing too — bringing cultures together. They’ll push anything that sells.

      I know that the study materials and books are in a country’s native tongue, but I think one element of being in Scientology for SOME foreigners, was to belong to this large international group. They could go to Flag to for something special. Now you can go anywhere you want, on the Internet, and be more selective about where you go and and what you do in real life.

      • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

        I think that when Tommy Davis said that about Hubbard, that if he wasn’t really injured, then he didn’t heal himself with dianetics, and if he didn’t heal himself it was a lie, and thus scientology was based on a lie, *sounded* like he was defending Hubbard. I think in fact, Tommy had been doing a lot of thinking. I think something got through to him. He knows Hubbard’s policy about dead-agenting someone, proving they have lied destroys people’s trust in them.

        I think what he said was deliberate and was his way of dead-agenting Hubbard. He disappeared shortly after that, and now is out of the Sea Org and living in Texas with his wife. He may have had to sign away his soul to get out, may never be able to speak up, but he got out.

    • jensting

      One of my many fond memories from my first protest (in San Francisco, and we’ll pass over how long ago it was…) is two German tourists going “How come they’re allowed to write “church” over their door? That’s obscene! In Germany, we learn about Xenu and the space aliens in primary school.”

  • Captain Howdy

    Mark Bunker: ” You wouldn’t like it to be a free country ? ”

    $cientologist: ” Absolutely ”

    That’s a bingo !

  • http://www.facebook.com/kimberly.bumpas Kimberly Gooden Bumpas

    The video alone speaks volumes.

  • Brainslugged

    Why do so many $cientologists have faces that you just want to punch? The little guy in the shorts and blue shirt chewing gum in the video is a prime example. Maybe it’s the air of superiority they give off while simultaneously being such an obvious douchebag.

    • Captain Howdy

      They all remind me of Gary Cole in Office Space.

      • Sherbet

        “Um, I think I’m gonna hafta go ahead and be a complete a$$hole.”

      • sugarplumfairy

        “..I have people skills!! I am good at dealing with people!! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?”

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Ursula deserves a medal from the German government, for her pre-emptive stand against a fascist group.

    Somehow, I think this is not a retirement for her, so much as shifting gears in her work against scientology. Keep on keepin’ on, Ursula!

    That video says it all, doesn’t it. Although, I suspect they would have a hard time finding so many loyal scilons now, and certainly such behavior in an airport, post 9/11, is impossible to pull off. Ursula, come back to the US, and be a role model for the gutless leaders in our country! Please? They willnever again be able to harass you the way they did then.

    • jensting

      She does. indeed. This sort of thing happens, Matthieu Cossu, a French anti-cult activist, got a “Legion d’Honneur” which is a French medal. He deserved it, and Ursula richly deserves one of her own.

  • Ze Moo

    Look what $79.00 buys.

    http://world.einnews.com/247pr/327481

    I wonder how many Georgia lawmakers knew about NarCONon’s problems?? I suspect the whole ‘press release’ thing was just made up.

    • Sidney18511

      This was put out by 24-7 press release. This is a private for profit company that will spread whatever bullshite you pay them to as if it was legitimate news.

    • Sherbet

      What a pile of horse manure! “Narconon Of Georgia is leading the way in drug education and prevention programs” and, by the way, will be having its license yanked and is under investigation for insurance fraud, but don’t let that stop you from remortgaging your home to pay five figures to send your loved ones to our out-patient, I mean, in-patient facility; and our “drug education” consists of rampant illegal usage among staff and, um, students. Other than all that, we’re a fine, fine facility. Enroll quickly, before we’re shut down!

  • Sherbet

    .

  • Truthiwant

    I love how Robert Minton embraces Ursula Caberta, protecting her. You can see that Ursula
    is afraid and doesn’t quite know what is going to happen, but this wonderful father figure keeps her closely
    in his arms, protected, and he has a conscious grin on his face as if to say “Don’t
    worry Ursula, if these fuckers even think about touching you, they are going to
    have to deal with me and I will not let them get near you”.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Ditto.. And then the bastards hobbled him.. That, and a million other of their nefarious deeds, was despicable and the co$ has a huge karma payday coming.. I hope real soon..

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

    I would like to see everyone who is in that video, who was there to harangue and intimidate Ursula but is now remorseful for doing so, come here and write an apology.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I agree. That would be a decent gesture.

  • dwayners13

    This story (for some reason) reminds me of the court case where the church’s lawyers tried to argue that the publishing their ‘scriptures’ was unlawful because they were “trade secrets”, yet they still clung to the claim they weren’t a business, rather a religion. It would be like a christian church suing a newspaper reporter for publishing part of the bible &/or divulging the practice of baptism, claiming they were trade secrets & that if they were made public then anyone could get into heaven for free (& we can’t have that).

  • Sam

    The name of the man in the pink shirt at .25 seconds is Micheal Drazkowski. He is german and did about a year stint in the Sea Org at Flag around 1995. He was married to Anne Roemer, now Anne Teutsch. They had to divorce since she wanted to stay in the Sea Org and Sea Org personnel can’t be married to non Sea Org members.

    The woman at 1:46 is an American, but she married a Swiss man and lived in Switzerland for a time. She was a public member at the Zurich org around 1991. I don’t remember her name or her husband’s name.

  • alissa mower clough

    Hey! Ursula! Best wishes from the American Delegate to the First International Anonymous Conference!

    Have some vegetarian at the Rathauskeller for me!

  • DeElizabethan

    Hamburg’s state government will miss Caberta and we all will miss her presence in there. I see hope that in writing her book and her continued effort to spread the word of the dangerous, insidious cult, she will be helpful in keeping the monies from coming in the door to them.
    Thank you Ursula for your dedicated work and accomplishments. You are appreciated in Germany, USA and around the world. Your book will be so welcomed also for keeping in touch, look forward to both.

  • Sid Snakey

    8,000 Internet Points to anyone who can get Tom Cruise to sign his autograph (on a Leaving Card for Ursula Caberta).

    • Sid Snakey

      In fact, if you can get Travolta and Kirstie Alley to sign it as well, then you win the Internet.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Caberta attacking Scientology is old news.

    What is happening now, what is big news, is that David Miscavige is releasing a new jazz CD: http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2013/01/31/theta-jazz-for-ots/

  • dwayners13

    This might not make me the most popular guy on this blog, but I think we have to remember that for some of these scientologists, they really didn’t know the real truth of the matter. We know that the church often goes after the young &/ or impressionable. Soon after they join, they are not only disconnected from their families, but also the truth. They were probably told horrible lies, about this “big, bad German/nazi sympathizer named Ursula who was attacking their faith, just as Hiltler did with the Jews, rather than the truth of the matter, which is that Ursula was trying to expose the actions of the leaders of the church”. I doubt that they heard that she was actually helping people who wanted to leave the church &/or reconnect with their families. This isn’t to say that they were all ponds or mislead, there were definitely some people who knowingly lied to the others in order to get them to carry out the fair game policy. I imagine there are a lot of ex-scientologist & independent scientologist who feel a considerable amount of regret & remorse for the way they were deceived & the way they behaved because of that deception. We all know the power this ‘church’ has over their followers & what lengths they will go to in order to achieve their goals.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Well you sure did not become unpopular with me, as I agree with you.

    • DeElizabethan

      Exactly!

    • Flynnie

      Dwayners13… I know sometimes critics seem harsh on all adherents – and truly it is hard not to be harsh when the mind-fuck seems so apparent to most of us. But the reality is, most critics understand that “regular” members get a different dose of the flavorade than what those in power really dish out.

      But we who DO know tend to get frustrated with the inability of the great brain-washed masses for being unwilling to think for themselves. They’ve been taught that avoiding “entheta” IS thinking for themselves. You can see the evidence of that day in and day out. One just wants to know how to break through… Frustrating.

      Having said all of that, your points are well taken, and I don’t think your viewpoint will make you unpopular. IMO.

      • dwayners13

        One of the reasons I wrote this is because I sometimes need to remind myself of this issue. As much as I try to empathize with some of the people who get sucked into this cult, I often forget that most of them initially got involved for good reasons. They buy into the promise of improving yourself &/or making a positive difference in the world, or in some cases were indoctrinated as a child. I can even remember when I first heard of Scientology as an adolescent. It seemed pretty good to me, they had the ‘say no to drugs message’ & seemed to be engaged in various benevolent acts. I still remember hearing the name “Scientology” & thinking, “it’s about science”, & figured it would discuss Darwinism & employ the scientific method as a means of understanding the world & ourselves etc. Obviously I was a bit shocked to hear about Xenu, DC 8′s & using income tax reviews to trick the thetans into being frozen, boxed up & exploded in volcanos. To be fair however, I went to catholic school, so I grew up hearing the story of a virgin giving birth to a person who could not only walk on water, but he could turn it into wine. Heck, we even have a mathematic equation to calculate the number of years we will spend in purgatory. Anyway, my post was perhaps more about reminding me that I shouldn’t pass judgement over the average scientologist. If anything they’re probably really good & well meaning people.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Agreed.

      Hubbard’s career as pulp writer and weaving reality in fiction stories is how Scientology’s voluminous fantasy is layered into Scientologists’ minds.

      It’s a whole massive exit struggle, mentally.

      Noting Vaughn Young’s contributions though, showed me how important the wordsmith class of ex senior Scientology leaders is so important to go public and tell how life really is inside the Scientology top ranks.

      Those that lived the layers of fantasy that Hubbard wrote, the PR people, the Marketing people, those who spoke once for Scientology, and know the insider leadership thinking, are the sub set of ex members whose voices needed outside group support.

      I’m so glad Ursula did her job, and that the Hamburg state government supported the decades Ursula did her work.

      It helped absolutely, to provide at least for a while, a platform for ex Scientology senior people to be heard!!

  • California

    Ursula has served a unique and necessary role in Germany and in Europe, as a whole.

    As long as the Bush government was in power, 2001-2009, it was hard to get anything official done in terms of educating people about some of the dangers and abuses about Scientology although it did happen. It has been easier the last four years and I am sorry that the budget situation is making it impossible for her to stay in her role.

    I am looking forward to reading her book.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I Am On The Phone With Computer Tech Support In India.
    Someone please come stab me in the corotid so I Can bleed out…..I.Beg.You!!!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      OK, I just went type III on India and now I feel kind of bad!

      And yet better at the same time!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

        Your call is very important to us. Press 1 for an instrumental version of Eleanor Rigby. Press 2 for Raindrops Keep Falling on my Head. Press 3 for New York, New York…

        • Midwest Mom

          I laughed out loud at that, Robert!

  • California

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/criminal-case-opened-against-narconon-rehab/nWB3k/

    There could be criminal charges against Narconon of Georgia

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.tilse Michael Leonard Tilse

      Now, say that it was shown that it was clearly insurance fraud. A certain portion of that undoubtedly made it’s way into church coffers through ABLE. Can the whole chain roll up to the top as part of a criminal conspiracy? Or will they throw Mary under the bus, claiming it was only local to NNG and never anywhere else? I’d like some sugar-free kettle corn while we watch this play out.

      • Sherbet

        No doubt they’ll try to throw Mary under the bus, but the money and responsibility trail leads right back to cos. It’s obvious she wasn’t a loose cannon acting alone.

      • Ms. B. Haven

        Mary will be thrown under the bus, nothing new in that scenario. There isn’t an insurance company or lawyer out there doesn’t round up everyone involved, but they mainly go for the deepest pockets. We all know whose those pockets are…

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Narconon was advertising on its many websites that it took health insurance. I believe several of the Narconon centers are listed as Aetna centers. I will not be surprised to learn that Miscavige was reaping millions from health insurance policy coverage for Narconon rehab, which ironically falls under the “mental health” portion of the policy. At least one lawsuit was brought by a family against Narconon because BlueCross would not cover the stay and Narconon had informed the family that it would be covered. These cases, however, don’t last long before dismissal because federal regulations mandate insurance claim denials are appealed administratively. I would love to know how many complaints have been filed with state insurance commissioners over Narconon insurance claims. If Narconon was filing claims falsely, as a pattern, then it won’t be long before law enforcement goes after the organization, and its bank accounts. There is no religious protection for tracing money trails from insurance fraud. I wonder if this will be bring down Miscavige, as taxes brought down Capone.

      • AstroLadyBoy

        It would be a sad thing happen for Mary to wind up in prison.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Oh my god! This is devastating with fairy wings!

  • AstroLadyBoy

    Looks like Jenna Miscavige Hill will be on The View next tues – on ABC no less hehe.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Fuckingnsweet

    • Midwest Mom

      Baba Wawa probably won’t be there, since she has the chicken pox. (How many of you think she’s actually recovering from another facelift or is in rehab)?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Not goin there

      • AstroLadyBoy

        Baba Wawa, lol. Um, I thought you only caught chicken pox once? In which case she’s done well not to catch it till now…

        • http://twitter.com/SnippyH Snippy Haines

          I think it’s called shingles the second time. If you don’t get anti-virals right away it can cause permanent nerve damage.

          • AstroLadyBoy

            That’s right. It’s more rare with women I think.

      • Sherbet

        I caught it in my 40s, and I thought THAT was old. She’s twice that.

  • Sherbet

    Off topic — I’ve begun reading Lawrence Wright’s book. Oh, boy. I’ve posted many times my opinion that lrh was a madman or a lunatic. All I can say now is, I had NO idea how crazy — literally, certifiably, diagnostically, psychologically, obsessively crazy the man was. Sick, sick, sick. Not flawed. Mentally ill. And Wright has the reports and dox to prove it. There are so many insane statements in lrh’s own writings that it’s mind boggling.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Welcome S!

      • Sherbet

        The man was obsessed with, and wrote often about, masturbation (whether it was bad or sinful), and attempted abortions. Maybe in those days when effective birth control was not readily available, there were more DIY abortions that didn’t succeed. I don’t know. But he talks about failed and attempted abortions a LOT and assigns social ills and “engrams” to children who survived unsuccessful abortions. To me, it sounds more as if he’s fascinated by them, rather than horrified. Why, oh, why didn’t one of his wives have him committed or arrested for his beatings? We wouldn’t be having this discussion.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Agreed sherb.
          He was obsessed with abortions

          • Sherbet

            Or Polly. Or Sara.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Mostly Sara! For selfish reasons!

            • Sherbet

              The unlawfully wedded wife, whom lrh later pretended never existed.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Did you see what he did?
              He said, I never had a second wife.
              Yet…when he said this??he was married to Mary Sue.
              Would not Mary Sue have been his second wife, then?

              Fuck up much?

            • Sherbet

              Yup, I thought the same thing. He said, in essence, “I had a first wife and a third wife, but no second wife.” Uh huh. Aren’t we so silly to try to make sense out of anything lrh said…

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              I thought it was like:
              Interviewer “What about your second wife?”
              LRH “I never had a second wife”
              Interviewer “Then what about your third wife?”
              LRH then blathers about Mary Sue

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Yeeowwhhh just watched Geoffrey Lewis keel over in “high plains drifter”!

  • mouseyhair

    Holy heck!!!!! Mr. Mouseyhair just called me into the other room to watch something he said would make me flip a lid!! It is one of the “commercials” of all LRH “accomplishments.” We are in the Pacific Northwest and it was just on at 7pm. It was all lies, lies and more lies. Ewwww I feel dirty and want to run to my neighbors and tell them all the truth!

    • Sherbet

      That’s OK. I happened upon Lawrence Wright talking about his book on a local New England station tonight, so that effectively cancels out the loathsome commercial you endured across the country.

      • mouseyhair

        Ok, I feel slightly better! Thanks.

  • Artoo45

    Ursula is one of my early Golden Age of Critics™ heroes. She put up with a lot of treachery from the clams in those days when they were still harassing with impunity. I wish her well and can’t wait to read her book. And speaking of books, Mr. Wright’s epic tome was fantastic. Some of his equivocation at the end seemed unnecessary, but all in all, a fantastic, meticulously researched read with some stories I’d never heard before. Jenna, you’re up next!

  • SP ‘Onage

    “You should never underestimate Scientology.”
    - Ursula Caberta

    My heart sinks every time I view this video…then I get furious! Just look at those wild eyed crazies screaming “Nazi go home!” Which reinforces its own stereotype. Don’t they know this is unacceptable for a (so called) church to behave in this demented manner…then to rejoice, like they really accomplished something. It’s really pathetic.

    The only thing they need other than a swift kick in the ass, is psychiatric help.

    Ursula Cabrera has the heart of a champion. What inspires me most is her resolve and dedication to carry on for 20 years, despite the asinine challenges and criticisms from the cult of scientology.

    Anyway, I am looking forward to reading her book. I hope she writes in detail about OSA’s (dirty) covert ops. They need to be exposed.

  • Mrs Libnish

    “But if the US government is not changing its mind about this criminal organization….” You hear that USofA????? WAKE UP!!!!!

  • Starshadow666

    I was on ars when that whole thing went down, and remember Mark’s video well. I was outspoken about the rifts among critics after but while I wished then that Bob Minton had done things a bit differently, still, he did a lot of good work before the cult silenced him. I wished him (and Stacy) well, and I’m glad so many have blown.

    Steve, I hope you know that I, as a critic who’s never been IN the cult itself, am grateful for each and every one who has worked so hard and continues to work to expose the lies, the harassment, and the wrongful deaths and disconnections. So many good folks have died in the interim, never knowing, maybe, how much they contributed and continue to contribute through their stories.

    Blessings on Ms. Caberta. Blessings on all of us. I will be so glad when Miscavige stands alone and naked before the world. Karma’s wheels grind slowly sometimes but what goes around does come around. I am sure it will happen in my lifetime, now.

  • xenuYESxenu

    ms caberta has been and is a great inspiration. I hope she will not stop the fight and information campaigns, even in private..

  • valshifter

    Yelling at her like little Chihuahuas, I sewer those people make me want to punch them in the nose obnoxious. Trained brainwashed Idiots, “I just want to know what she is doing here” one said, why do you care what is Scientology so afraid off ha?