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Scientology’s Sea Org Application: What Are Your Crimes?

One of our tipsters briefly considered joining Scientology’s Sea Organization — the hardcore group of workers who toil for almost no pay and often do menial labor from dawn to midnight, day after day.

This person had second thoughts and didn’t join, but they still had a copy of the Sea Org’s application form and thought we might like to see it.

Boy howdy, were we glad they sent it over.

Get out your pens and pencils, kids, because it’s time to answer some pretty strange questions before you join David Miscavige’s planetary clearing crew for the next billion years…

The application consists of dozens of very invasive questions about an applicant’s past. We ran them past several former Sea Org members who confirmed that they were the kind of interrogation they were put through before they could join.

“Those are the standard questions,” Amy Scobee told us.

“Invasive questioning is a big part of Scientology life,” Derek Bloch said.

They, and Mat Pesch, made sure we understood that an applicant doesn’t just write responses to these questions — “After you fill out the form, then you get put on an e-meter and they ask more questions,” Mat pointed out. “They’re looking for half-truths. They’ll ask, ‘Have you answered any questions untruthfully to try to impress me?’,” he added.

Our tipster received the application from a Sea Org member at Bridge Publications, Scientology’s printing arm. After deciding not to fill it out, the recipient instead forwarded a copy of it to the FBI, and it became part of the big 2010 investigation that ultimately fizzled out.

And now, they’ve decided to share it with us.

Let’s start out with the introduction on the application form, which includes an extended quote by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard:

“I am sure you will be interested in the progress being made in building a new civilization. As you know Scientology has continued to be the fastest expanding church on the planet.

“The Sea Org is the group that is spear-heading this expansion.

“Continents are booming to Highest Evers, led by members of the Sea Org.

“To join the Sea Org is the sensible thing to do. There is very little that could be more important to you than to add to this power. Many are called. Few are chosen. You can be part of this new civilization.

“It is possible we may welcome you as shipmates in the Sea Org, the organization of power.”

— L. Ron Hubbard
Commodore, 1974

The form then contains a remarkable passive-aggressive statement from Hubbard that should send shivers down the spine of any applicant…

ABOUT YOU:
“You can’t be shot for what you have done, you can only be shot for what you haven’t told us.” — LRH (CBO 910)

A “CBO” refers to a “Central Bureaux Order” from Hubbard, and we’ve asked our Scientology history experts if they can find another reference to CBO 910. That quote almost seems too good to be true. We’ll update the post if the experts find something.

Now, let’s get to the questions themselves. After your standard request for personal information (including next of kin), the form gets down to business…

4. Full Name of Mother, Address, Phone Number, Occupation

5. Full Name of Father, Address, Phone Number, Occupation

6. What is your Social Security Number?

7. Do you have a Passport?

8. Do you have a military or government ID?

9. Are you a citizen of this country? If no, what country are you a citizen of?

10. If you are not a citizen here, do you have a visa?

11. If you have a visa, list the type it is. When does it expire?

12. If you are not a citizen, do you have a green card?

13. Have you applied for a green card? If yes, give details

14. Do you have a driver’s license? If so, what state?

15. Do you have any out-standing moving violations? If yes, give details

16. Please list your education, including schooling, professional training, any degrees you hold, etc.

17. What is your present job? How long have you worked there?

18. Please list your past jobs (include date and length of time you worked there, and why you left)

19. Please list any special skills you have

20. What languages do you speak?

21. Do you have any children? Name, Age, Do they live with you? Do you pay child support?

22. Are you in good physical condition? If no, please give details

23. Have you ever threatened or attempted suicide? If so, please give the details

24. Do you have any chronic illness? If so, please give details

25. Are you currently taking drugs or medicine? If so, which ones and how long have you been taking them?

26. Have you taken street drugs? If so, which ones and how many times did you take them?

27. Have you taken LSD or “Acid” (Some slang names are “blotter acid”, “window pane”, “orange sunshine”, “purple haze”, and “microdot”)?

28. Have you ever taken PCP or Angel Dust (Some slang names are “Sherms”, “Superweed”, “Dust”, “Super Kool”, “Killer Weed”, “Whack” and “Animal Tranquilizer”)?

29. Have you ever sold drugs? If so, please give the details.

30. Please list your interests and hobbies

31. Please list the courses you have done, where you did them and when

32. Have you received any Scientology or Dianetics auditing? Please list what you have received and when

33. Are you currently under contract to any Dianetics or Scientology organization? If so, please give specifics

34. Former Scientology employment: Have you ever worked in a Scientology organization, mission or field group? If yes, give details of where, when and what posts held

35. Have you ever left staff or the Sea Org? If yes, give full details

36. Are you the subject of an ethics order or conditions order, or anything else that dismisses you from staff or the Sea Org? If so, give details, and what your re-entry program consisted of and what was done on it

37. Please list any self betterment or religious group you have belonged to

38. Do you have debts? If so, please list who you owe it to and the amount

39. Have you ever been bonded? If so, where and for what organization?

40. Are you a minor? If yes, do you have your parents’ or guardian’s consent to join the Sea Organization?

41. Are you subject to military service? If so, how long are you subject to service?

42. Have you ever been convicted of a crime? If so, please give details

43. Have you ever been in jail? If so, please state why and for how long?

44. Have you committed any felonies for which you weren’t caught? For example, grand theft auto, arson or some other such severe act?

45. have you been involved in any criminal activities like prostitution or illegal sex? Other examples would be downloading child pornography or sexual activities with a minor. If so, when and what state and country did this occur in and what handlings have you done?

46. Have you ever been involved in homosexual activities or sexual perversions? If so, please note any handlings done

47. Have you seen a psychiatrist or psychologist? If so, please give the details of when you went, the treatment you received and how many times

48. Have you received any treatment in any psychiatric institution, hospital or similar place?

49. Have you threatened to sue or sued a Scientology church or persons working in a Scientology church or organization?

50. Are you related to or connected to intelligence agencies either by past history or immediate family?

51. Do you have any relatives that have worked for the government? If so, who and what branch did they work for?

52. Are any of your parents or close relatives antagonistic to Scientology or would they be in disagreement with your working here?

53. Are you here to obtain news stories?

54. Are you here to disrupt the organization?

55. Have you been given any security clearances for any job or agency?

56. Have you worked in a high security section of the government or armed forces? If so, what did you do?

 
Note to the applicant: Read the attest below. Have another person witness your signing this attest at the end.

1. I’m not a flagrant criminal or wanted.

2. I have had no institutional history of psychosis.

3. I have had no electric, insulin or other shock treatment or psychiatric brain operation history.

4. I’m not an active drug pusher.

5. I have never sued an org or Scientology principals.

6. I’m not a blown staff member or blown Sea Org member, nor have any outstanding ethics order or staff re-entry program.

7. I’m not related to or connected to intelligence agencies either by past history or immediate familial connections.

8. I do not have a parent or guardian or other close family member who is a rabid antagonist of Scientology.

9. I’m not here to obtain news stories or generally disrupt the organization.

10. I do not have huge personal debt that would immediately pull me back out of the org.

11. I do not have any institutional history, by which is meant incarceration in an institution (or mental health section of a hospital) and knowingly or unknowingly given treatment therein.

12. I have not had prior service in a high-security section of the government or armed forces.

13. I have not taken LSD, any derivative of LSD, Angel Dust or PCP.

I attest that I have none of the above out-qualifications for joining the Sea Organization and I attest I have not misrepresented my qualifications in my answers to any of the questions above.

(Applicant’s Signature) Date

(Witness’ Signature) Date

————————————–

Wow, that is some application. Talk about harsh. A little superweed and you’re out? That’s a tough bunch.

We’re really looking forward to your reactions to this application. Are there questions they forgot to ask? What would you ask a Sea Org applicant, especially after they were hooked up to an e-meter in a hypnotic state?

 
UPDATE: We’ve been hearing from ex-Scientologists about their own memories of filling out this kind of form. We thought we’d share with you some observations from one of them, former Sea Org member Simi Valley

This brought back fond memories of getting the “life history sec check.” Also, as a new recruit in OSA US in 1988, I was surprised to find that management had computerized dossiers on everyone.

In OSA’s HCO (Division 1, where they do all the personnel and ethics stuff), they had someone posted full time on typing every SO member’s personal details and submitting it to management’s centralized database.

And then you had to keep your life history updated throughout the course of your SO “career.” Which would include every sexual encounter — with whom, what was done, how many times, what position, etc.

Um, wow.

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  • Tardy

    40. Are you a minor? If yes, do you have your parents’ or guardian’s consent to join the Sea Organization?

    I am sure a short while ago Scientology stated that they do not and have not ever allowed minors to join the sea org. How can they claim this and yet ask if you are a minor do you have parental permission to join.

    • HCO Chief

      They said you have to be 16 to join, which is not true either, but would still make you a minor.

    • Chrissie Weightman

      I know kids that have joined at 12-14 yrs old . They used to try and recruit me and my daughter and said when she was 10 we could join. Saying they don’t recruit minors is just part of the usual lies. Minors are their biggest recruit pool.

      • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

        I can see why the younger the better, because they have relatively little experience in life so can run more easily through the list. They haven’t had time for maturity and can be controlled.

        • hermesacat

          True. Just as warlords in Africa like recruiting (actually kidnapping) children & turning them into child soldiers ’cause they’re easy to indoctrinate & control, Co$ does something similar, for similar indefensible reasons.

  • HCO Chief

    This was called a Life History Questionnaire when I was in and it looks pretty much the same except we were required to disclose all sexual history as well. I was green as grass and signing up on a whim with the idea that if I didn’t like it I would just leave, so I certainly take issue with your last sentence about being in a hypnotic state. Some people perhaps are, but I just had nothing else going on in life, found Scientology while travelling, got deceived and joined to make a difference and get free room and board.

    • Chrissie Weightman

      I was going to say that. I guess the extensive sexual history form is on a separate document. They want details of EVERYTHING!!

      • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

        “They want details of EVERYTHING!!”
        That’s for sure. Back in ’79 before doing a mission for the GO as a public person, I had days of filling out papers like this. Then in ’84 they sent me an inch thick pack should I want to join up with them.
        When I saw the questions in 2011 at AO to enable you to do the OT levels, it was about the same only with additional pertinent questions on your social and money details. This was all done on a computer in the ethics department. I got tired, hungry, too long a process, overwhelmed and finally seeing the ridiculousness of it all ended off. THANK GOD!
        Can you imagine an older person answering all those questions they wanted, for your whole life, even if you had completed one in the past, you had to remember everything then and there. Like who the fu-k cares. I was reeling. I had been out of their control for years, enough to then realize it was an excellent spin-in job
        and money was the major concern.

    • Ruby

      These “Life History” forms were also given to staff who were not in the Sea Org, but had been on staff for some years at the local Organization. (That was in the 80’s and 90’s.)
      Additionally, when I went to Flag for a short visit, about 7 years ago, I had to fill one out as part of getting onto service lines.
      When you fill it out, you are under the impression that it is confidential. But we all now know that is not the case.

    • Eric J

      You started out getting deceived, you ending up getting hypnotized. It’s a fact, auditing is hypnosis, no hard feelings meant towards you I’m sure.

      • HCO Chief

        I never had any auditing. None. Ever.

        • Eric J

          I’m sure he was talking to people that had been audited then, I guess you were lucky. There are a many other forms of brainwashing in Scientology though, TR’s is a form of hypnosis and I’ve read LRH used a lot of confusion techniques in his writing.

          • HCO Chief

            Hadn’t done TR’s at that point either. I had read probably 75% of Dianetics and done some of the HQS course. I realize I am a huge exception to the majority who joined the Sea Org, but we shouldn’t be painting everybody with the same brush and say all Sea Org members joined in a hypnotic state. Deceived, absolutely. Pressured… yes, in most cases. Some people join on faith that it works, because so many of their new friends in the Church rave about the personal gains that they’ve had, and so they join hoping for this as well, thinking it’s a beneficent organization. Many recruits are young, new to Scientology, and naive. They don’t stay in for long as they quickly cripple under the pressure and blow. I wouldn’t call them brainwashed either unless you consider all deception brainwashing.

            • Eric J

              Absolutely, I just want the truth to be told so people don’t waste one second of their time in scientology.

    • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.beatty.50 Chuck Beatty

      I remember when I filled out the Life History when it first came out, I think in 1980 or 1981,

      I wrote for several days all my known out qualifications, and it came to haunt me later, all were used against me in various internet smear stuff against me in 2005-2006, after I turned into an SP.

      But oh well, that’s what you get if you go into the Sea Org. Expect them to smear you on everything you ever admit to them. Not unless you are Tom Cruise.

      The outside world is at least forgiving of you.

      Scientology will use your admissions against you.

      But hopefully someday this whole intelligence faux blackmailing unit of the Sea Org, the Office of Special Affairs, will crumble.

      Such an irreligious religoin. Another good idea for a paper. I’m curious , on the methods various new and old religions use their parishioner and staff admissions and confessions against their members,when those members defect and become whistle blowers by comparison.

      Seems par for human history, to do this. If’s highly irreligious though, but that’s Hubbard’s systemic irreligious style for his “religion.”

      A true tit for tat religion when it comes to your confessions, if you try to expose their abuses.

      • Sherbet

        OF COURSE, it’s a religion! Haven’t you seen that big cross? That’s proof enough for me (and the IRS, apparently).

      • Observer

        What kind of church asks for your Social Security number right off the bat? Oh, right, a con game that is masquerading as a church.

        IMO this is also another piece of evidence supporting the allegations of mind control. I think this thing would make the average wog run as far and fast as they could, not sit and fill it out and then be grilled on the E-meter for hours like a good, docile Scientologist. But then I’m not one of the Most Ethical People On the Planet, so I guess my revulsion is proof of my low standing on the Tone Scale.

        To all of you who escaped the Sea Org, I am SO GLAD you are out!

      • MidwestMom

        Chuck, other churches don’t blackmail their members.

        The Catholic Church’s confessions are mostly anonymous, unless you choose to do a face to face confession. The priests can’t and don’t record or reveal your confessions, so they’re not used “against you”.

        As for employees, as a religion teacher, I had to be fingerprinted and had a background check done and we all had to take a class on appropriate and inappropriate behavior involving children and identifying questionable behavior in other adults. We had to watch a series of videos telling what “grooming techniques” and “one on one time” situations to be on the lookout for, and if witnessed, to report it right away and to follow up on it to report it to parents and law enforcement.

        At my former parish, the secretary didn’t give a newly hired custodian the fingerprint paperwork and didn’t do a background check on him because he was “a lifelong parish member and her friend’s son”. A few of us reported it to the Diocese after she refused to to it (our priest was out of the country at the time). The custodian was required to fill out the appropriate paperwork and reinstated after it was cleared, and the secretary was let go for not following the rules.

        You can’t let a background check slide, even if you “know” the person. It’s just best to be cautious and on the safe side, any way.

    • http://dbloch7986.wordpress.com dbloch7986

      Skeptical statement is skeptical.

      You make it sound like you just walked into the nearest org and joined the Sea Org without having done anything in Scientology. I can’t imagine what would possess you to do something like that.

      I have to admit there were a couple of people who did that while I was in because they were homeless or they were running away from something. I have also heard stories of a criminal who joined the Sea Org under an assumed name to avoid the law for a while.

  • Skwerl King

    Are ALL CAPS the norm for Sea Org docs?

    • Birds

      It eliminates the pesky problem of deciding what to capitalize.

      • Observer

        And it acclimates you to the constant screaming you’ll endure from your superiors.

        • SpecialFrog

          It’s like a font for Tone 40.

  • WhereIsSHE

    Mocking up Jenna Elfman….
    “Have you ever raped a baby?”
    *****
    Mocking up staff…
    “How much money do you have at your disposal? (Please list each and every bank account with precise dollar amounts, the bank account number and provide an executed, blank check made out to the IAS for each such account; please state the equity you have in any and all real estate holdings and advise when you are available to execute the necessary paperwork in order to transfer all of such equity to the IAS. Please list each and every other asset you own which may be liquidated, and provide the exact location thereof, along with any and all paperwork proving your ownership interest, e.g. title to your car(s)).

    *****
    But just me?
    I’d ask:
    Have you never applied for a real job before?
    Do you know the meaning of the word “privacy”?
    Do you understand the concept of “invasion of privacy”?
    Do you know that it is illegal for employers (even religious organizations) to ask certain questions during the application process?
    Would you like a MICRODOT (and an escape route) IMMEDIATELY or RIGHT NOW.

    • bboy

      Corporate Scientology has had lawyers like Tim Bowles scrutinize their hiring practices. They will say that it isn’t standard “employment” but membership in a religious fraternal organization, which is how they justify all this invasion of privacy and illegal questions.

      • Mrs. Libnish

        Aw horseshit!

    • sugarplumfairy32

      I’m sensing some rabid antagonism here..

      • bboy

        Ya think!

    • http://poisonivyherself.wordpress.com poisonivyherself

      I have never joined the US Military. Does anyone know if the US Military has any comparable questions?

      • john smith

        None like this. The US military does ask for a SSN, however, that’s so they can apply benefits and give you a service number. They also ask about your drug usage, and mental stability, but honestly, that’s completely understandable given the stresses that can be endured in war. Also, criminal history, children or other dependents (again, for benefits), and employment history. Nothing ridiculous like this.

        • Observer

          Sorry, I was trying to thumbs-up but accidentally hit thumbs-down and it won’t let me take it back. :-(

  • Sherbet

    I love the juxtaposition:

    29. Have you ever sold drugs? If so, please give the details.

    30. Please list your interests and hobbies. (Um, selling drugs?)

    • http://poisonivyherself.wordpress.com poisonivyherself

      First LOL of the morning.

  • PeggyToo

    “You can’t be shot for what you have done, you can only be shot for what you haven’t told us.” — LRH (CBO 910)

    WTF?!?!?!? Talk about a HUGE ‘RED FLAG’!!!!

    • LemonLemon

      I know there have been close comparisons to scientology and the novel “1984”. That LRH quote sounds an awful lot like “Big Brother” in the novel. It’s that whole, “thought police” thing.

    • flunk123

      That’s the mindset – you can keep no secret from Scientology.
      A friend left in the early 80’s, and he started investigating. I’ve long since forgotten the source he quoted, but he told me Hubbard believed in knowing your secrets as a way of lowering your intelligence! Hubbard thought that the person who could keep no secret from him is the person who would do something stupid for him. Total con artistry and control!

      • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

        I remember when I wouldn’t ever lie to them. Then one day since they wouldn’t accept the truth for weeks, I finally lied. Big win for me and it didn’t hurt a bit plus it handled the problem. My lesson was you have to lie to THEM in order to make things go right for yourself.

    • http://gravatar.com/thenextmrstomcruise thenextmrstomcruise

      Heya Peggy! Missed you!

      • MidwestMom

        I did too!

  • victoria

    “Have you ever taken PCP or Angel Dust (Some slang names are “Sherms”, “Superweed”, “Dust”, “Super Kool”, “Killer Weed”, “Whack” and “Animal Tranquilizer”)?”

    Sherms, really? Are they talking about shrooms? There are literally thousands of drug street names. This list leaves a lot to be desired. But guess what? Since I am not as hip as I used to be I hit the googles searching current slang terms for street drugs, and viola, the first page I got was;

    http://www.drugrehab.co.uk/street-drug-names.htm

    A narconon front page!

  • SpecialFrog

    I almost think the Sea Org application is based on the application form found in the Principia Discorida.
    http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/30.php

    • http://thinisbetter.wordpress.com No More Visits, Please!

      Love that! Hilarious! And they even get you to lick the paper. That must have been fun to create.

    • Capt. Howdy

      Yes SF I see certain similarities..rolf !

      “sneaky questions to establish personality traits…

      a. I would rather live in a outhouse b. play in a rock group c. eat caterpillars “

      • SpecialFrog

        The Principia Discordia is from 1965 so some hippy recruit might have brought it to LRH’s attention. :)

        As an aside, Discordianism is clearly the superior joke religion since it succeeds at being funny whereas Scientology fails to be unfunny.

  • http://www.facebook.com/synthia.fagen Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

    Well! I guess they REALLY don’t want you to be a criminal BEFORE they turn you into one.

    • http://poisonivyherself.wordpress.com poisonivyherself

      Well, they need to train you to be the RIGHT kind of criminal. You know, one who lies, cheats, steals and harasses only for the Greater Good.

      • Capt. Howdy

        Or perhaps it’s a trick question and they really were looking for those certain “special” folks who have already transgressed in the wog world and would be capable of it in the future, for the greater good, of course.

        • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

          Synthia, PIH and Capt. You all got that 100%. Damn you are good!
          Before they turn you into one.
          Right kind of criminal and Special folks

  • WhereIsSHE

    All those years of people giving their blood, sweat and tears to KSW and “clear the planet”, and THIS is where we ARE TODAY: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/10/22/uk-lebanon-crisis-idUKBRE89L0DA20121022

  • victoria

    There street names for drugs seem terribly incomplete and even erroneous? WTF is a “sherm”? But when I went googling for current street names, (fully expecting to pull up EROWID or something similiarI I got a narconon page! In the UK no less. Wow.
    http://www.drugrehab.co.uk/street-drug-names.htm

  • KimberlyinOklahoma

    Wow. Just wow. Thank you for sharing that. I agree, the opening quote from LRH is chilling & would scare the Crap out of me.

    • hermesacat

      QUOTE: “You can’t be shot for what you have done, you can only be shot for what you haven’t told us.” — LRH (CBO 910)

      With evident hyperbole of the phrase “being shot” L.Ron likely intended this to sound semi-comical, but serious too, so an applicant might view Ron’s over-stated “threat” as a semi-friendly but serious reminder to answer questions completely & honestly. Passive aggression as Tony says. Or comedic-aggression, maybe? Thinly veiled by hyperbole-comedy, L.Ron makes an open threat as in “if you don’t answer the following questions completely & honestly you will be in big fucking trouble with us!”
      -L.Ron was a scary dude, alright.

      • Observer

        I’m not sure it was hyperbole or in the least bit comical–ever heard of R2-45 auditing?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R2-45

        • Observer

          Scientology–it’s always worse than you think.

        • hermesacat

          R2-45 – I see that Wiki entry you cite suggests (from documentation) L.Ron actually ordered in writing some SPs be killed, as in “be shot”, as the phrase from the questionnaire says. “Jokes” that are fatal aren’t typically funniest!
          And when L.Ron elsewhere said SPs could legitimately be “destroyed”, it seems he wasn’t necessarily speaking figuratively.

          • Observer

            Your initial interpretation was one that any normal, rational human being would have given that statement. It’s easy to forget–or even wrap your head around in the first place–just how aberrant LRH really was.

            • Observer

              Or “hard to wrap your head around” … sheesh.

  • DMSTCC

    44. Have you committed any felonies for which you weren’t caught? For example, grand theft auto, arson or some other such severe act?

    If so, you qualify for OSA.

    • PeggyToo

      Bahahaha!!

    • TrustMeOnThis

      That’s exactly what I was going to say!
      Probably true, too.

  • http://biglist.shows.it Mudkips

    I love how they ask you to fill in all the particulars in detail, but not till the end of the form, inform you which violations they wound not accept in an applicant.
    Them: “Thanks for all these juicy details, but it’s plain to see we don’t accept your kind.”
    also, had to LOL @
    “Have you committed any felonies for which you weren’t caught?…”
    Could I get a second piece of paper, please?

  • http://www.MommaliciousInSuburbia.com Natalie

    The information about your family and how to reach them comes in handy after you blow and the Sea Org sends a team to retrieve you.

  • BigGrizzlyBear

    The revised application also includes the following questions:

    57. Have you ever spoken to Tony Ortega?

    58. Please list in order of preference your top 10 Tom Cruise movies?

    59. Did you like the movie Battlefield Earth?

    60. How tall would you say COB looks (circle your chosen option) A: 5’10 B: 6′ C: 6’2 D: 6’4?

    • http://poisonivyherself.wordpress.com poisonivyherself

      Second LOL of morning. Thanks Grizzly.

    • bboy

      I have had a conversation with him in person, and assuming he was wearing his lifts, I would estimate his height at five seven; elsewhere people have commented that his height (without lifts) is five-five, which jives with what I know.

      • http://poisonivyherself.wordpress.com poisonivyherself

        I believe TC is 5’7″ (claims to be 5’8″ I think) and DM is clearly at least 2 inches shorter than TC. Lifts or not.

        • bboy

          In the photos of TC with Katie, Katie, who is supposedly five-nine, always looks a couple inches taller than him. So yeah, five-seven for Mr. Ruthlessly Ethical sounds about right.

        • SpecialFrog

          They are both shorter than Napoleon was.

    • bosonstark

      61. Have you ever been slapped or beaten by a midget?

  • Bob

    One of the instant disqualifications is taking LSD. That actually covers a lot of kids these days. Many people got in before this disqualifier was added. I suspect that there may not be anyone left who joined during that early time. If the recruiters wanted to be kind they would make sure people knew this before they filled it out. Peter Schless the original music director at Gold took acid. They would not let him join. He did hundreds, possibly thousands of free gigs for the church fundraisers and events became a Freedom Medal winner and finally he was allowed in to the SO, ultimately to be discarded and has now disappeared. He was a pretty talented musician and at the time he was the best modern musician Gold had. Of course your track record means nothing to the powers that be. If you become persona non grata for some reason with the little fuhrer you are toast or become very stale bread deposited in the hole.

    • http://skippress.wordpress.com skippress

      Peter saw his wife Karen fly away “on the wings of love”, too. He’d have been better off with LSD.

      Slight edit I’d have added – a question to suss out rumors. Something like – “Have you ever thought that rumors about L. Ron Hubbard were true, like him being a batshit crazy old man who had long stringy hair and went around screaming at body thetans in the air before he died?”

      But then, I didn’t write that questionnaire; I’m not evil enough to do that.

      • WhereIsSHE

        Bob-
        How dare you call the guy who wrote “On The Wings of Love” a “talented musician”=(!!
        “Sell crazy someplace else. We’re all stocked up here.”;)~http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn74wA4qGpA

    • sugarplumfairy32

      They’re missing a great opportunity by not taking LSD-users.. If they blame aspirin for influencing tone arm, just imagine all the crazy stuff they could blame on LSD..

      ‘ohhhhh.. You’re OT8 and having probs with out of body visits to your neighbors’ patio furniture? Must be that LSD you did.. For $50,000 we might can fix that..’

  • bosonstark

    I wonder if they’d let me join, if I said I was just there to get news stories. “I’m writing a story — SLAVERY IN A BRAINWASHING CULT — I hope that doesn’t disqualify me for your planetary saving effort.”

  • Davka

    No Insulin? (Question three of the “attestation”). So they WANT diabetics to go into sugar shock?

    • http://poisonivyherself.wordpress.com poisonivyherself

      I noticed that, too. What, they don’t believe in diabetes treatment?

      • einsteinonthebeach

        They were referring to insulin shock therapy for depression.

      • http://gravatar.com/wibbleton AB

        I think what they’re referring to is “insulin shock therapy,” which, according to Wikipedia, was “used extensively in the 1940s and 1950s, mainly for schizophrenia, before falling out of favour and being replaced by neuroleptic drugs.”
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_shock_therapy

    • http://gravatar.com/thenextmrstomcruise thenextmrstomcruise

      Why would you need insulin when you could have a touch assist? Thank you.

  • http://alanzosblog.blogspot.com Alanzo

    You should also realize the level of trust most people have when they fill something like this out. They trust the organization with their deepest secrets.

    I never filled out an application like this because I had taken LSD and was unqualified for the Sea Org, but I was sec checked for dozens and dozens of hours. You never believe that these people would ever use this information against you.

    That was only for “SPs”.

    • http://gravatar.com/thenextmrstomcruise thenextmrstomcruise

      Does anyone know where to get LSD these days? I’d love to open a vitamin shop in Clearwater. Except my vitamins jars would be filled with LSD. Scion: Do you have any niacin? Me: Sure thing! Here’s a free sample.

      Hey, a girl can dream can’t she?

      • WhereIsSHE

        You –and anyone who can find this blog–never heard this from me, but… check the Shakedown parking lot scene at any Further (formerly the Grateful Dead) show.
        Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqYNBqKa0eY (pretty much everyone there, minus the kiddies, would FAIL the scion sea org LSD test; but the Electic Kool Aid Acid Test? They’d all be PASSING with FLYING COLORS;)
        The scene in the parking lot is pretty much the same as it has always been (except the little kiddies play with light sabers now, at least in the clip, so let’s make sure we do what we can to make the streets of America a safer place, i.e. one free of those “free” Personality Tests).

        • Capt. Howdy

          As a San Francisco born, aging punk rocker, I’m not sure the company of which I would prefer least, a deadhead or a scientologist.

          • TrustMeOnThis

            Aww, all the deadheads are going to do is sage you and maybe try to get you to eat a vegan burrito. They are about as anti-$ci as you can get, even without the LSD.

          • MidwestMom

            In the summer of 1984, I worked in the maintenance crew for the Pine Knob Music Theater in Clarkston, Michigan in between 11th and 12th grades. We were warned about the DeadHead fans before the Grateful Dead were to arrive for their concert dates and we had to park in a different spot than usual because of the Hippie City in the parking lots.

            I didn’t know anything about the Grateful Dead, but their roadies were all over the hill hippies and they kept getting in the way of our sweeping. One in particular, who resembled an overgrown Muppet with glasses,long hair and an unkempt beard kept laughing at how I was sweeping and grabbed my broom and pretended it was a guitar. i was not very happy about that and when he finally handed it back to me he said, “Here’s your sweepy thing, Preppy girl.” He laughed and then said, ” Man, I don’t even know what state I’m in!”

            I responded, “”It’s simple. You’re in a state of confusion!” He and the other hippies laughed over that for a long time and he gave me a high five, then kept saying, “Preppy girl, that is hilarious! A state of confusion!”

            After the Muppet and his hippie friends walked away, a co-worker was all excited because “Jerry Garcia” had talked to me and had touched my broom. I didn’t know until that moment who Jerry Garcia was – he was the overgrown Muppet, and the hippie guys with him weren’t roadies either, but actually the other members of the Grateful Dead.

            Later on when we were sweeping the Pavilion aisles, the band was on stage for sound checks, etc. and he pointed at me and said, “There’s that funny preppy girl! Preppy girl! We’re in a state of confusion!”

            Guess what my nickname was for the rest of the summer?

            • http://www.alanzosblog.com Alanzo

              Did you wear an iZod shirt with the collar flared outwards, Preppy Girl? :>

              Alanzo

            • MidwestMom

              Not at work. We had to wear yellow Maintenance Crew tee shirts and I.D. tags and I had khaki Bermuda shorts on.. My long hair was pulled back in a headband at the time.

              I did go to a Catholic Prep School. My Prep School’s football team beat Mitt Romney’s Prep School football team last month by quite a bit when they played each other, so I feel for the guy, because Cranbrook has a lousy football team.

          • Capt. Howdy

            Only one thumbs down so far ? Come on, I know there’s more than one old hippie lurking around here. I can smell it.

            Whenever the Dead were in town all the hippie burnouts would show up on Haight St with their palms out ” spare change to see the Dead maaaaaaaan “. We’d give them gob.

      • Mrs. Libnish

        So you want a bunch of trippin Scilons running around downtown Clearwater? With how paranoid they already are, that could potentially turn into BIG trouble! But post a vid…I’ll watch from the other side of the country and get my lulz…:)

        • http://gravatar.com/thenextmrstomcruise thenextmrstomcruise

          “So you want a bunch of trippin Scilons running around downtown Clearwater? ” Oh Hell yes! I promise to touch assist them as often as possible too. Methinks the LSD/paranoia combo might just scare them sane.

          • http://gravatar.com/thenextmrstomcruise thenextmrstomcruise

            Or at the very least, teach them some empathy

    • hermesacat

      Re. drugs use, I wonder why LSD’s singled out (along with PCP-Angel Dust) as special grounds for banning an applicant from Sea Org?

      QUOTE:
      “27. Have you taken LSD or “Acid” (Some slang names are “blotter acid”, “window pane”, “orange sunshine”, “purple haze”, and “microdot”)?…
      13. [to be signed]: I have not taken LSD, any derivative of LSD, Angel Dust or PCP.27.”

      -I don’t know why L. Ron may have had it in for LSD, but not so much other psychedelics, apparently. Presumably the questionnaire was originally written in the 1960s or later after LSD use had become common. But many other psychedelics had also become fairly common in use by then: e.g. psilocybin ‘shrooms, MDMA, STP, DMT, peyote.

      I wonder, did drugs smorgasbord-er L. Ron himself maybe have a particularly bad trip on LSD, so bad he blamed it for having fucked up his head, therefore he decided anyone else who’d taken it must also have a fucked up head & were thus ineligible to join the Sea Org?!

      Btw, during L.Ron’s days with Jack Parson’s O.T.O. & Crowleyan occultism in the 1940s, it’s a good bet L.Ron engaged in lots of drugs taking, likely including psychedelics in the form of peyote as Crowley & Parsons were both very interested in exploring its use, & peyote was perhaps the only psychedelic widely known about & easily obtainable in the U.S. in the 1940s. Well, maybe morning glory seeds (a mild psychedelic) , plus belladonna & jimson weed were known about in some quarters too, but Timothy Leary said he’d never heard of anyone ever having a good belladonna trip. Crowley was writing about exploring peyote (which he referred to as “Anhalonium”) as far back as WWI or the 1920s.

      QUOTE: “25. Are you currently taking drugs or medicine? If so, which ones and how long have you been taking them?
      26. Have you taken street drugs? If so, which ones and how many times did you take them?”

      -I imagine if L.Ron had been required to answer his own questions above, he’d have needed

      an extra 8.5″ X 14″ blank page to answer fully & honestly!

      • flunk123

        Why is LSD singled out as the forbidden fruit? Because you can have fantastic hallucinations on LSD that are similar to “OT” super powerz. Hallucinogens are an easy way of having an other-worldly experience.
        While on an introductory course in the 70’s, I got high a few times on the sly – me and another course mate took mushrooms. We had a ball! The whole time we were thinking that anyone who liked Scientology … would love mushrooms! It almost seemed like a prerequisite.
        We told the lady who ran the Mission, and she said we had to knock it off – we had to be drug free for 6 weeks or we couldn’t do the co-audit.
        I think Hubbard banned LSD use because he wanted your most “fantastic” experiences to have come from Scientology, or not at all … forget about tripping and pay your way up the bridge!

        • hermesacat

          Okay, fair points, except why didn’t he specifically ban users of mushrooms, DMT, etc. too? It’s not as if LSD was the only powerful hallucinogen around at the time, but he doesn’t mention use of those others as disqualifiers from joining Sea Org, only LSD. I’m reminded a Hare Krishna leader (not the Indian founder, but a western white guy) reportedly liked taking ‘shrooms & other hallucinogens, presumably ’cause, in his mind, it fit in with, & would enhance all that imagery of the “beautiful blue god” in beautiful heavenly heaven-scapes (as opposed to landscapes) those Krishna books are full of paintings of.

          • hermesacat

            I meant to add that psychedelic Krishna leader’s (whose name I forget. I think he was Canadian from BC, maybe Victoria) unfortunate end: a follower stabbed & beheaded him, & left his body sitting upright with his head placed in his lap. Speaking of imagery, there’s a gruesome one!

  • http://gravatar.com/scnethics scnethics

    I know someone who was coerced into signing this contract (or the eighties version of it which couldn’t have been too different) before they were 10 years old. Back then, adults with children would join the Sea Org and then their young children would either have to join also or find somewhere to live. It happened A LOT back then.

  • Tye Solaris

    As Ron Hubbard Jr. Famously Testified;

    “Scientology is a
    Power
    Money
    Intelligence Gathering
    And Confidence Game.”

    Welcome to the Intelligence Gathering.

    Gee… Ron jr. didn’t include the word ‘Religion’.

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  • einsteinonthebeach

    “Do you have any outstanding moving violations?”

    Sure, some more outstanding than others. Probably the most outstanding was breaking 110 mph on a little country road in a vintage Chevy Chevelle SS.

    • deselby88

      Good thing they didn’t have a question about inbreeding.

      • http://gravatar.com/lcmsmommy NOTseriously

        That would rule out most of my neighbors…. Good ol’ country livin’

  • http://twitter.com/DatumOmNom CofS Exit Zone (@DatumOmNom)

    This makes for an interesting comparison to a previous Life History form required for assignment at the Sea Org PAC base in LA that was leaked many years ago by Mark “Warrior” Plummer.

    http://warrior.xenu.ca/1997-0820.html

    Not much has changed overall as far as the scope of the questions. But it sure is creepy to see how the invasive factor has been amped up.

  • LemonLemon

    “42. Have you ever been convicted of a crime? If so, please give details”

    I would write, “Convicted? Nope” and let them think THAT one out. LOL

    • DMSTCC

      They don’t think. They only react. Please re-read (CBO 910)

      • WhereIsSHE

        I’m amazed that no one has taken the name “TCSDMC” yet. Especially since Tony has penned some interesting articles in the recent weeks/months that tend to show that Tom is the one who hero-worships Dave;)

        • DMSTCC

          How’s ’bout TC69DM?

  • SpecialFrog

    Here’s a fun exercise: fill out this application on behalf of L. Ron Hubbard.

    • DMSTCC

      15. Do you have any out-standing moving violations? If yes, give details

      A ticket for crossing rail road with gates down, but that was on Venus.

  • Anon

    The fact that the FBI was conducting a substantial investigation and was apparently poised to take major actions to actually enforce the laws and uphold the values of our free and just society, but then did nothing whatsoever for whatever the ridiculious reason, is absolutely infuriating and utterly unconscionable.

    Something should be done.

  • Anon

    The fact that the FBI was conducting a substantial investigation and was apparently poised to take major actions to actually enforce the laws and uphold the values of our free and just society, but then did nothing whatsoever for whatever the ridiculious reason, is absolutely infuriating and utterly unconscionable.

    Something should be done.

  • http://venusamaris.wordpress.com Chocolate Velvet

    Here’s some news out of St Hill; it looks like Tommy landed a big fish for the COS. Royalty, even!

    http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2012/10/21/st-hill-special-editon-news/#comments

  • http://venusamaris.wordpress.com Chocolate Velvet

    Here’s some news out of St Hill; it looks like Tommy landed a big fish for the COS. Royalty, even!

    http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2012/10/21/st-hill-special-editon-news/#comments

  • Mrs. Libnish

    Well, I fell safe. I would fail every single drug question they asked me. I was a rowdy teenager and can barely remember my 20’s. I’ve also seen a therapist. I have no outstanding moving violations, but get them on the reg. I’m also tight with a buck and have too many hobbies to devote time to this crap. Unless they are totally desperate, I’m pretty sure they would kick me out.

  • Mrs. Libnish

    Well, I fell safe. I would fail every single drug question they asked me. I was a rowdy teenager and can barely remember my 20’s. I’ve also seen a therapist. I have no outstanding moving violations, but get them on the reg. I’m also tight with a buck and have too many hobbies to devote time to this crap. Unless they are totally desperate, I’m pretty sure they would kick me out.

  • LeeAnne Clark

    It’s pretty obvious that, like most of Scientology, not much (if anything) has changed in this list of questions. They are likely the original ones, or at least very close to it. How do I know? To those of us who lived through the 60’s/70’s, we know because of the list of drugs they ask about – straight out of the flower-power era.

    27. Have you taken LSD or “Acid” (Some slang names are “blotter acid”, “window pane”, “orange sunshine”, “purple haze”, and “microdot”)?

    28. Have you ever taken PCP or Angel Dust (Some slang names are “Sherms”, “Superweed”, “Dust”, “Super Kool”, “Killer Weed”, “Whack” and “Animal Tranquilizer”)?

    Those are all the names of the drugs that were popular back when I was in high school in the 70’s! Every last one of them. When’s the last time you heard of anyone taking “blotter acid?” Or “purple haze”, the famous muse of Jimi Hendrix? And seriously, when was the last time you heard about angel dust? Note that they don’t mention any of the drugs that became popular AFTER the 70’s – coke, crack, ecstasy. Sure, LSD is still out there, but the street names are very different today.

    This was such a blast from the past. Ahhh…the days of long-haired boys skulking around outside our school selling little pieces of paper with pictures of Scooby-doo on them. The days of pretty girls in flowery dresses eating little clear slivers of gelatin and then spinning around like a top. The days when you could pick up a “dime bag” of pot for 10 bucks – and it was half a baggie full!

    That’s one of the funnies things about Scientology…reading anything from them is like stepping into a time machine. Makes me wanna go listen to some Led Zeppelin.

    • hermesacat

      True. The questionnaire’s drugs questions have obviously not been updated since at least the ’70s, as you say. I see only the sexual deviancy questions have been updated to include “downloading child porn”.
      -One of the worst aspects about Co$ being stuck in a time warp is all the valuable scientific findings of recent decades about neurology – how the brain works, genes’ role in disease, environmental causes of disease, etc. are ignored or rejected. Because to accept them would mean beloved “Source” L. Ron has been proven wrong in so many of his theories about how the body & brain function, & Co$ is committed to maintaining their system built on fictions.

      [btw that dime bag of '70s pot you mention may have been generous in quantity (plus free grow-yer-own seeds!), but potency mostly paled a lot compared to today's (& no more grow-yer-own seeds!)]

      • LeeAnne Clark

        Ah yes, that was another thing I was gonna add to my list of memories – the days when you had to smoke two or three joints before you even felt a buzz, and every dime bag came with enough seeds to start your own pot farm. OH, and the days when every kid told their parents that the little potted plants they were nurturing on their windowsill were “houseplants” that they were growing for the “oxygen”. ;-)

  • LeeAnne Clark

    It’s pretty obvious that, like most of Scientology, not much (if anything) has changed in this list of questions. They are likely the original ones, or at least very close to it. How do I know? To those of us who lived through the 60’s/70’s, we know because of the list of drugs they ask about – straight out of the flower-power era.

    27. Have you taken LSD or “Acid” (Some slang names are “blotter acid”, “window pane”, “orange sunshine”, “purple haze”, and “microdot”)?

    28. Have you ever taken PCP or Angel Dust (Some slang names are “Sherms”, “Superweed”, “Dust”, “Super Kool”, “Killer Weed”, “Whack” and “Animal Tranquilizer”)?

    Those are all the names of the drugs that were popular back when I was in high school in the 70’s! Every last one of them. When’s the last time you heard of anyone taking “blotter acid?” Or “purple haze”, the famous muse of Jimi Hendrix? And seriously, when was the last time you heard about angel dust? Note that they don’t mention any of the drugs that became popular AFTER the 70’s – coke, crack, ecstasy. Sure, LSD is still out there, but the street names are very different today.

    This was such a blast from the past. Ahhh…the days of long-haired boys skulking around outside our school selling little pieces of paper with pictures of Scooby-doo on them. The days of pretty girls in flowery dresses eating little clear slivers of gelatin and then spinning around like a top. The days when you could pick up a “dime bag” of pot for 10 bucks – and it was half a baggie full!

    That’s one of the funnies things about Scientology…reading anything from them is like stepping into a time machine. Makes me wanna go listen to some Led Zeppelin.

    • hermesacat

      True. The questionnaire’s drugs questions have obviously not been updated since at least the ’70s, as you say. I see only the sexual deviancy questions have been updated to include “downloading child porn”.
      -One of the worst aspects about Co$ being stuck in a time warp is all the valuable scientific findings of recent decades about neurology – how the brain works, genes’ role in disease, environmental causes of disease, etc. are ignored or rejected. Because to accept them would mean beloved “Source” L. Ron has been proven wrong in so many of his theories about how the body & brain function, & Co$ is committed to maintaining their system built on fictions.

      [btw that dime bag of '70s pot you mention may have been generous in quantity (plus free grow-yer-own seeds!), but potency mostly paled a lot compared to today's (& no more grow-yer-own seeds!)]

      • LeeAnne Clark

        Ah yes, that was another thing I was gonna add to my list of memories – the days when you had to smoke two or three joints before you even felt a buzz, and every dime bag came with enough seeds to start your own pot farm. OH, and the days when every kid told their parents that the little potted plants they were nurturing on their windowsill were “houseplants” that they were growing for the “oxygen”. ;-)

  • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

    Tony, this is a slightly older application. The latest version has a few more questions:

    57. Have you ever sung or whistled just for fun?

    58. Have you ever given or received a “Dirty Sanchez”? If so please provide photos for COB’s collection if possible.

    59. Have you ever sucked cock on Hollywood Blvd.? Again please provide photos for COB’s collection if possible.

    60. Have you ever made fun of COB’s height?

    61. Have you ever made fun of COB’s speech impediment?

    62. Have you ever made fun of Tom Cruise’s height?

    63. Have you ever made the claim that COB is a self-loathing homosexual and a weasily little twerp?

    64. Are you now or have you ever been a “bitter defrocked apostate”?

    65. Are you allergic to either beans or rice?

    66. Please choose the correct answer to complete the following sentence – When COB presented Tom Cruise with the Freedom Medal Of Valor award it was a) a pivotal moment in the history of Scientology b) really swell as Tom is the greatest Scientologist that has ever lived except for LRH and COB c) gay as fuck

    • http://www.alanzosblog.com Alanzo

      You left out a question for the Cleveland Steamer.

      That right there would net many important photos for DM’s future use.

      • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

        Heh, I had to look that up. Kinda wish I hadn’t :)

  • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

    Tony, this is a slightly older application. The latest version has a few more questions:

    57. Have you ever sung or whistled just for fun?

    58. Have you ever given or received a “Dirty Sanchez”? If so please provide photos for COB’s collection if possible.

    59. Have you ever sucked cock on Hollywood Blvd.? Again please provide photos for COB’s collection if possible.

    60. Have you ever made fun of COB’s height?

    61. Have you ever made fun of COB’s speech impediment?

    62. Have you ever made fun of Tom Cruise’s height?

    63. Have you ever made the claim that COB is a self-loathing homosexual and a weasily little twerp?

    64. Are you now or have you ever been a “bitter defrocked apostate”?

    65. Are you allergic to either beans or rice?

    66. Please choose the correct answer to complete the following sentence – When COB presented Tom Cruise with the Freedom Medal Of Valor award it was a) a pivotal moment in the history of Scientology b) really swell as Tom is the greatest Scientologist that has ever lived except for LRH and COB c) gay as fuck

    • http://www.alanzosblog.com Alanzo

      You left out a question for the Cleveland Steamer.

      That right there would net many important photos for DM’s future use.

      • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

        Heh, I had to look that up. Kinda wish I hadn’t :)

  • http://dbloch7986.wordpress.com dbloch7986

    “46. Have you ever been involved in homosexual activities or sexual perversions? If so, please note any handlings done”

    I answered no to this, then I was meter checked on it. Now tell me the e-meter works. LOL

    When we say “handlings” are you asking me how well I handled my homosexual activities? Because I personally think I perform at maybe 7 out of 10 most of the time. Although some of those late-night-woke-up-from-a-dead-sleep booty calls maybe were as low as 4 or 5.

    If you want specifics on how I handled those activities, well let me write a book and publish it first because I’ll be damned if you’re going to make money off the novel it would take to answer that question. I saw what happened with ’50 Shades of Gray’.

    Also when we say “sexual perversions”…ummm….what exactly do you consider “perverted” because I think my standards of perversion may be a little more relaxed than yours.

    • TrustMeOnThis

      I had some sexual perversions. But I handled them. Boy oh boy, did I “handle” them!

  • http://dbloch7986.wordpress.com dbloch7986

    “46. Have you ever been involved in homosexual activities or sexual perversions? If so, please note any handlings done”

    I answered no to this, then I was meter checked on it. Now tell me the e-meter works. LOL

    When we say “handlings” are you asking me how well I handled my homosexual activities? Because I personally think I perform at maybe 7 out of 10 most of the time. Although some of those late-night-woke-up-from-a-dead-sleep booty calls maybe were as low as 4 or 5.

    If you want specifics on how I handled those activities, well let me write a book and publish it first because I’ll be damned if you’re going to make money off the novel it would take to answer that question. I saw what happened with ’50 Shades of Gray’.

    Also when we say “sexual perversions”…ummm….what exactly do you consider “perverted” because I think my standards of perversion may be a little more relaxed than yours.

    • TrustMeOnThis

      I had some sexual perversions. But I handled them. Boy oh boy, did I “handle” them!

  • Johny Miric

    I wonder did you ever tried USA Visa application form, it’s almost equally terrifying.

    • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

      Apples and oranges

  • Johny Miric

    I wonder did you ever tried USA Visa application form, it’s almost equally terrifying.

    • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

      Apples and oranges

  • Johdar

    There was a prominent Pagan by the name of Isaac Bonewits who came up with a way to determine if a group might potentially be a cult. This is called the Advanced Bonewits’ Cult Danger Evaluation Frame. Most of the questions on the Sea Org form raise red flags on the ABCDEF.

    For anyone interested, here is a link to the ABCDEF: http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html

  • Johdar

    There was a prominent Pagan by the name of Isaac Bonewits who came up with a way to determine if a group might potentially be a cult. This is called the Advanced Bonewits’ Cult Danger Evaluation Frame. Most of the questions on the Sea Org form raise red flags on the ABCDEF.

    For anyone interested, here is a link to the ABCDEF: http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html

  • http://www.xenu.net Michael Leonard Tilse

    I had to fill these out several times. Once, (actually twice), for staff at San Francisco org, and each of the three times I joined the Sea Org.
    I used to keep a copy of my answers so I didn’t have to dredge up all the exact names and places and dates of all these things.
    The first time it DID freak me out. I had read some British negative articles the week before and I left in a panic attack. That whole story is in my essay “Scientology is evil and scientologists are dangerous”, posted on the xenu.net message board.
    I remember it as an 18 page mimeograph issue with lines on it for your answers. I always had to use extra paper for the detail they wanted.
    And they want explicit detail. Especially for the sexual history, they want the names of who, the date, the position(s), the places, how many times you did it, how it started, how it ended. Everything. It is a grueling, emotionally exhausting process that makes you feel like crap.
    How did I justify it? I thought that because I was saving the universe, it was important I be clean and honest to be allowed into the elite. Once I bought the con, I gave them every little piece of me, regardless of secrets, confidences sworn to or shame. Everything.

    • victoria

      Hey, Michael, at least you didn’t go into it half assed right or wrong… I admire that!

  • http://www.xenu.net Michael Leonard Tilse

    I had to fill these out several times. Once, (actually twice), for staff at San Francisco org, and each of the three times I joined the Sea Org.
    I used to keep a copy of my answers so I didn’t have to dredge up all the exact names and places and dates of all these things.
    The first time it DID freak me out. I had read some British negative articles the week before and I left in a panic attack. That whole story is in my essay “Scientology is evil and scientologists are dangerous”, posted on the xenu.net message board.
    I remember it as an 18 page mimeograph issue with lines on it for your answers. I always had to use extra paper for the detail they wanted.
    And they want explicit detail. Especially for the sexual history, they want the names of who, the date, the position(s), the places, how many times you did it, how it started, how it ended. Everything. It is a grueling, emotionally exhausting process that makes you feel like crap.
    How did I justify it? I thought that because I was saving the universe, it was important I be clean and honest to be allowed into the elite. Once I bought the con, I gave them every little piece of me, regardless of secrets, confidences sworn to or shame. Everything.

    • victoria

      Hey, Michael, at least you didn’t go into it half assed right or wrong… I admire that!

  • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

    Michael L. Tilse.
    OMG, why do I have to remember this stuff… thanks tho, it is good…. so right on, unbelieveable, specially on the sex! All justified.
    :-) I must read your essay.
    I really tried to find it but couldn’t. Can you please give a link?

  • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

    Michael L. Tilse.
    OMG, why do I have to remember this stuff… thanks tho, it is good…. so right on, unbelieveable, specially on the sex! All justified.
    :-) I must read your essay.
    I really tried to find it but couldn’t. Can you please give a link?

  • Laila Roth

    “Is this some kind of a joke? It seems I am the only one laughing. Or maybe it’s no laughing matter, you all being hospitalized for a billion years…”

  • http://Digg Ruthann Andeeson

    Wow, always thought they wer a bunch of crazies, thats why katie h. Left Tom Cruise, hes nuts, I think they vrainwash people!, just my opinion

  • http://twitter.com/TheTock John S Christen (@TheTock)

    I went through this application process and then the e-meter part as well. I remember not having my full attention on the application itself, there was a lot going on around me, staff talking to me, etc. I ended up not being able to either be on staff or join the SO b/c of family history with the military (intelligence/high security). My family’s eyebrows went up on that one.

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  • sugarplumfairy32

    Kinda off topic, but want to share a quick story.. I’ve been in LA since Thursday.. I flew home today.. Dept of homeland security picked me to search coming and going.. This morning at LAX while a very nice man was searching my carry-on, my iPad came on and the headline for this article lit up.. loud and clear, “Scientology’s Sea Org Application…”

    He looked at me with a very worried frown on his face.. “Are you a scientologist? Are you thinking of joining the sea org?” I was surprised and just shook my head, not even sure where to begin answering those questions.. (Plus I was traveling with two sisters who were so sick of hearing me talk about scientology that they had banned me from mentioning it..)

    He pulled me aside and in a very quiet voice said “honey, this is just between you and me.. stay away from them.. they’re crazy.. especially that sea org.. check the Internet before you do anything..”

    I finally found my voice and told him not to worry, that what he had seen was Tony Ortega’s expose of scientology and that I was more into criticizing co$ than joining it.. But i thanked him and told him to check out Tony’s blog..

    • http://poisonivyherself.wordpress.com poisonivyherself

      Great story, Sugar!

      • sugarplumfairy32

        Thanks, Ivy.. I thought it was funny that I’ve been ranting about the Evils of scientology for 12 years, but my sisters weren’t impressed until they heard just a few words from homeland security..

        • http://poisonivyherself.wordpress.com poisonivyherself

          Oh, so NOW your sisters are impressed! About time! #latetotheclambake ;-)
          I love that this was a Homeland Security guy though. At least we know they’re on to the scam!

    • TrustMeOnThis

      This is so awesome! Usually I rank Homeland Security right behind the OSA but that guy clearly really wanted to do you a solid. Thanks for telling this! I read it to Mr TMOT (who is with your sisters as far as being sick of hearing about $ci) and he loved it too.

  • diz

    The late great Bill Hicks on LSD.. I doubt the Co$ could “handle” this knowledge. Better to ban them!

    Wouldn’t you like to see a positive LSD story on the news? To base your decision on information rather than scare tactics and superstition? Perhaps? Wouldn’t that be interesting? Just for once?
    “Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There’s no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we’re the imagination of ourselves. Here’s Tom with the weather.”

    • sugarplumfairy32

      Isn’t that a grateful dead song??

      • Mark

        Tool has it in one of their songs.

  • Obnosis

    As others commented, it’s called a Life History, and yes it includes questions about every person you’ve had sex with, how many times and what kinds of sex. It’s used to “qualify” potential Sea Org recruits. Speaking of which, Tony, has anyone told you how SO members are treated as and literally called “coins” to be traded between organizations? It is very common for people to traded to SO organizations they never signed up with, sometimes across the country and even on different continents. I remember a woman from the UK who was traded to the Advanced Org in LA and she was not happy about it at all. She ended up blowing back to the UK.

    • Valkov

      This is very similar to the way Tibetan Lamas treated serfs(the majority of the population were serfs, in old Tibet).

      http://www.michaelparenti.org/tibet.html

      This is considered by some people today to be “human trafficking”.

  • Obnosis

    Oh yeah, the Life History is not just for Sea Org members. Org and Mission staff have to fill them out too.

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  • http://curetting.wordpress.com Sizzurp

    Reblogged this on ? .????? ? and commented:
    Scientology wouldn’t blackmail anyone with this information!
    What kind of totalitarian cult do you think this is?

  • http://twitter.com/howardroark1 Howard Roark

    Reblogged this on 31 Factors.

  • defui132

    i wan to apply for the sea org. so can some one please show me the procedure

  • Observer

    I’m not sure it was hyperbole or in the least bit comical–ever heard of R2-45 auditing?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R2-45

  • Observer

    Scientology–it’s always worse than you think.

  • hermesacat

    R2-45 – I see that Wiki entry you cite suggests (from documentation) L.Ron actually ordered in writing some SPs be killed, as in “be shot”, as the phrase from the questionnaire says. “Jokes” that are fatal aren’t typically funniest!
    And when L.Ron elsewhere said SPs could legitimately be “destroyed”, it seems he wasn’t necessarily speaking figuratively.

  • deselby88

    Good thing they didn’t have a question about inbreeding.

  • sugarplumfairy32

    They’re missing a great opportunity by not taking LSD-users.. If they blame aspirin for influencing tone arm, just imagine all the crazy stuff they could blame on LSD..

    ‘ohhhhh.. You’re OT8 and having probs with out of body visits to your neighbors’ patio furniture? Must be that LSD you did.. For $50,000 we might can fix that..’

  • Mrs. Libnish

    Aw horseshit!

  • Mrs. Libnish

    So you want a bunch of trippin Scilons running around downtown Clearwater? With how paranoid they already are, that could potentially turn into BIG trouble! But post a vid…I’ll watch from the other side of the country and get my lulz…:)

  • john smith

    None like this. The US military does ask for a SSN, however, that’s so they can apply benefits and give you a service number. They also ask about your drug usage, and mental stability, but honestly, that’s completely understandable given the stresses that can be endured in war. Also, criminal history, children or other dependents (again, for benefits), and employment history. Nothing ridiculous like this.

  • Jon Hendry

    I once considered a programming job that would have required a security clearance. The questionnaire is quite long, and asks about family, current and previous roommates, etc.

    I wound up taking a different job, so I never went through the whole process.

  • http://gravatar.com/thenextmrstomcruise thenextmrstomcruise

    “So you want a bunch of trippin Scilons running around downtown Clearwater? ” Oh Hell yes! I promise to touch assist them as often as possible too. Methinks the LSD/paranoia combo might just scare them sane.

  • http://gravatar.com/thenextmrstomcruise thenextmrstomcruise

    Or at the very least, teach them some empathy

  • SpecialFrog

    It’s like a font for Tone 40.

  • Capt. Howdy

    Yes SF I see certain similarities..rolf !

    “sneaky questions to establish personality traits…

    a. I would rather live in a outhouse b. play in a rock group c. eat caterpillars “

  • hermesacat

    Re. drugs use, I wonder why LSD’s singled out (along with PCP-Angel Dust) as special grounds for banning an applicant from Sea Org?

    QUOTE:
    “27. Have you taken LSD or “Acid” (Some slang names are “blotter acid”, “window pane”, “orange sunshine”, “purple haze”, and “microdot”)?…
    13. [to be signed]: I have not taken LSD, any derivative of LSD, Angel Dust or PCP.27.”

    -I don’t know why L. Ron may have had it in for LSD, but not so much other psychedelics, apparently. Presumably the questionnaire was originally written in the 1960s or later after LSD use had become common. But many other psychedelics had also become fairly common in use by then: e.g. psilocybin ‘shrooms, MDMA, STP, DMT, peyote.

    I wonder, did drugs smorgasbord-er L. Ron himself maybe have a particularly bad trip on LSD, so bad he blamed it for having fucked up his head, therefore he decided anyone else who’d taken it must also have a fucked up head & were thus ineligible to join the Sea Org?!

    Btw, during L.Ron’s days with Jack Parson’s O.T.O. & Crowleyan occultism in the 1940s, it’s a good bet L.Ron engaged in lots of drugs taking, likely including psychedelics in the form of peyote as Crowley & Parsons were both very interested in exploring its use, & peyote was perhaps the only psychedelic widely known about & easily obtainable in the U.S. in the 1940s. Well, maybe morning glory seeds (a mild psychedelic) , plus belladonna & jimson weed were known about in some quarters too, but Timothy Leary said he’d never heard of anyone ever having a good belladonna trip. Crowley was writing about exploring peyote (which he referred to as “Anhalonium”) as far back as WWI or the 1920s.

    QUOTE: “25. Are you currently taking drugs or medicine? If so, which ones and how long have you been taking them?
    26. Have you taken street drugs? If so, which ones and how many times did you take them?”

    -I imagine if L.Ron had been required to answer his own questions above, he’d have needed

    an extra 8.5″ X 14″ blank page to answer fully & honestly!

  • Capt. Howdy

    Or perhaps it’s a trick question and they really were looking for those certain “special” folks who have already transgressed in the wog world and would be capable of it in the future, for the greater good, of course.

  • http://gravatar.com/lcmsmommy NOTseriously

    That would rule out most of my neighbors…. Good ol’ country livin’

  • HCO Chief

    Hadn’t done TR’s at that point either. I had read probably 75% of Dianetics and done some of the HQS course. I realize I am a huge exception to the majority who joined the Sea Org, but we shouldn’t be painting everybody with the same brush and say all Sea Org members joined in a hypnotic state. Deceived, absolutely. Pressured… yes, in most cases. Some people join on faith that it works, because so many of their new friends in the Church rave about the personal gains that they’ve had, and so they join hoping for this as well, thinking it’s a beneficent organization. Many recruits are young, new to Scientology, and naive. They don’t stay in for long as they quickly cripple under the pressure and blow. I wouldn’t call them brainwashed either unless you consider all deception brainwashing.

  • Observer

    Sorry, I was trying to thumbs-up but accidentally hit thumbs-down and it won’t let me take it back. :-(

  • flunk123

    That’s the mindset – you can keep no secret from Scientology.
    A friend left in the early 80’s, and he started investigating. I’ve long since forgotten the source he quoted, but he told me Hubbard believed in knowing your secrets as a way of lowering your intelligence! Hubbard thought that the person who could keep no secret from him is the person who would do something stupid for him. Total con artistry and control!

  • http://gravatar.com/thenextmrstomcruise thenextmrstomcruise

    Heya Peggy! Missed you!

  • Capt. Howdy

    As a San Francisco born, aging punk rocker, I’m not sure the company of which I would prefer least, a deadhead or a scientologist.

  • http://dbloch7986.wordpress.com dbloch7986

    Skeptical statement is skeptical.

    You make it sound like you just walked into the nearest org and joined the Sea Org without having done anything in Scientology. I can’t imagine what would possess you to do something like that.

    I have to admit there were a couple of people who did that while I was in because they were homeless or they were running away from something. I have also heard stories of a criminal who joined the Sea Org under an assumed name to avoid the law for a while.

  • TrustMeOnThis

    That’s exactly what I was going to say!
    Probably true, too.

  • TrustMeOnThis

    Aww, all the deadheads are going to do is sage you and maybe try to get you to eat a vegan burrito. They are about as anti-$ci as you can get, even without the LSD.

  • Capt. Howdy

    Only one thumbs down so far ? Come on, I know there’s more than one old hippie lurking around here. I can smell it.

    Whenever the Dead were in town all the hippie burnouts would show up on Haight St with their palms out ” spare change to see the Dead maaaaaaaan “. We’d give them gob.

  • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

    I can see why the younger the better, because they have relatively little experience in life so can run more easily through the list. They haven’t had time for maturity and can be controlled.

  • Eric J

    Absolutely, I just want the truth to be told so people don’t waste one second of their time in scientology.

  • flunk123

    Why is LSD singled out as the forbidden fruit? Because you can have fantastic hallucinations on LSD that are similar to “OT” super powerz. Hallucinogens are an easy way of having an other-worldly experience.
    While on an introductory course in the 70’s, I got high a few times on the sly – me and another course mate took mushrooms. We had a ball! The whole time we were thinking that anyone who liked Scientology … would love mushrooms! It almost seemed like a prerequisite.
    We told the lady who ran the Mission, and she said we had to knock it off – we had to be drug free for 6 weeks or we couldn’t do the co-audit.
    I think Hubbard banned LSD use because he wanted your most “fantastic” experiences to have come from Scientology, or not at all … forget about tripping and pay your way up the bridge!

  • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

    “They want details of EVERYTHING!!”
    That’s for sure. Back in ’79 before doing a mission for the GO as a public person, I had days of filling out papers like this. Then in ’84 they sent me an inch thick pack should I want to join up with them.
    When I saw the questions in 2011 at AO to enable you to do the OT levels, it was about the same only with additional pertinent questions on your social and money details. This was all done on a computer in the ethics department. I got tired, hungry, too long a process, overwhelmed and finally seeing the ridiculousness of it all ended off. THANK GOD!
    Can you imagine an older person answering all those questions they wanted, for your whole life, even if you had completed one in the past, you had to remember everything then and there. Like who the fu-k cares. I was reeling. I had been out of their control for years, enough to then realize it was an excellent spin-in job
    and money was the major concern.

  • http://www.alanzosblog.com Alanzo

    Did you wear an iZod shirt with the collar flared outwards, Preppy Girl? :>

    Alanzo

  • MidwestMom

    Not at work. We had to wear yellow Maintenance Crew tee shirts and I.D. tags and I had khaki Bermuda shorts on.. My long hair was pulled back in a headband at the time.

    I did go to a Catholic Prep School. My Prep School’s football team beat Mitt Romney’s Prep School football team last month by quite a bit when they played each other, so I feel for the guy, because Cranbrook has a lousy football team.

  • grundoon

    OMG OMG! Captain Trips high-fived you? Never wash that hand!!

  • MidwestMom

    After some of my fellow crew members “touched the hand that touched Garcia”, I wiped it on my shorts and washed it as soon as I could. I still remember that Jerry Garcia smelled like a beef barbecue (from body odor).

  • FistOfXenu

    I’ve got to admit, I’m a little bit envious. It’s not even like I’m hardcore deadhead or anything, but the guys were more than their music. (“A good thing” I hear some people say). I have this little movie in my head of LRH trying to get the Dead into $cientology, and Jerry and the rest of them doing some kind impromptu shtick where they goof on one of the more stupid things he’d say. I think if they ever heard him talk about going Clear, they’d have a LOT of fun with that. Then they’d lapse into laughing at him for dressing up like something out of McHale’s Navy, and finally just tell him to relax and “take some more of whatever he took when he dreamed all that crap up”. And finish with a song.

    I know, but it’s MY movie.

    So me, I’ll cut some slack to the Dead, and definitely congratulations to you for meeting the guys.

    I guess you wouldn’t consider changing your login to “Preppy Girl” for old time’s sake? :-P

  • sheepherder

    MM, you were 17 in 1984?
    You are the same age as my middle child.
    I will now go shoot myself.

  • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

    I remember when I wouldn’t ever lie to them. Then one day since they wouldn’t accept the truth for weeks, I finally lied. Big win for me and it didn’t hurt a bit plus it handled the problem. My lesson was you have to lie to THEM in order to make things go right for yourself.

  • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

    Synthia, PIH and Capt. You all got that 100%. Damn you are good!
    Before they turn you into one.
    Right kind of criminal and Special folks

  • hermesacat

    Okay, fair points, except why didn’t he specifically ban users of mushrooms, DMT, etc. too? It’s not as if LSD was the only powerful hallucinogen around at the time, but he doesn’t mention use of those others as disqualifiers from joining Sea Org, only LSD. I’m reminded a Hare Krishna leader (not the Indian founder, but a western white guy) reportedly liked taking ‘shrooms & other hallucinogens, presumably ’cause, in his mind, it fit in with, & would enhance all that imagery of the “beautiful blue god” in beautiful heavenly heaven-scapes (as opposed to landscapes) those Krishna books are full of paintings of.

  • hermesacat

    I meant to add that psychedelic Krishna leader’s (whose name I forget. I think he was Canadian from BC, maybe Victoria) unfortunate end: a follower stabbed & beheaded him, & left his body sitting upright with his head placed in his lap. Speaking of imagery, there’s a gruesome one!

  • Observer

    Your initial interpretation was one that any normal, rational human being would have given that statement. It’s easy to forget–or even wrap your head around in the first place–just how aberrant LRH really was.

  • SpecialFrog

    The Principia Discordia is from 1965 so some hippy recruit might have brought it to LRH’s attention. :)

    As an aside, Discordianism is clearly the superior joke religion since it succeeds at being funny whereas Scientology fails to be unfunny.

  • SpecialFrog

    They are both shorter than Napoleon was.

  • hermesacat

    True. Just as warlords in Africa like recruiting (actually kidnapping) children & turning them into child soldiers ’cause they’re easy to indoctrinate & control, Co$ does something similar, for similar indefensible reasons.

  • Observer

    Or “hard to wrap your head around” … sheesh.

  • MidwestMom

    Chuck, other churches don’t blackmail their members.

    The Catholic Church’s confessions are mostly anonymous, unless you choose to do a face to face confession. The priests can’t and don’t record or reveal your confessions, so they’re not used “against you”.

    As for employees, as a religion teacher, I had to be fingerprinted and had a background check done and we all had to take a class on appropriate and inappropriate behavior involving children and identifying questionable behavior in other adults. We had to watch a series of videos telling what “grooming techniques” and “one on one time” situations to be on the lookout for, and if witnessed, to report it right away and to follow up on it to report it to parents and law enforcement.

    At my former parish, the secretary didn’t give a newly hired custodian the fingerprint paperwork and didn’t do a background check on him because he was “a lifelong parish member and her friend’s son”. A few of us reported it to the Diocese after she refused to to it (our priest was out of the country at the time). The custodian was required to fill out the appropriate paperwork and reinstated after it was cleared, and the secretary was let go for not following the rules.

    You can’t let a background check slide, even if you “know” the person. It’s just best to be cautious and on the safe side, any way.

  • sheepherder

    Well, this is how it goes in one church I know of: A runs into B, who was attending but hasn’t been there for awhile. A, as a lay member of the Anglican Inquisition (motto; ” Cake or death?”) interrogates B : “How nice to see you! How have you been?” at which B completely caves by replying “We’ve had the flu/moved house/changed jobs/ had to go back East, we really miss you all and will be back as soon as we’re able”, at which A says threateningly, “We’ve missed you too”.
    OR “I (or spouse) was raised Catholic/ Baptist/ Unitarian and feel more comfortable there” ,( A replies menacingly, “You will like that church, they’re very nice”)
    OR “We’re not happy with the church’s stance on gay marriage (or whatever) which is a nice way of saying “You’re all heretics and going straight to hell and we will never darken your door again” ( A responds horridly, “Well, you’ll like the Independent Biblically Inerrant group up the street, they have great music .”)

    Then A hastens to report, next time she happens to be in town which would be a week or two later, to the church secretary: “You might as well take the B’s off the membership list, they’re not interested” and the secretary says”Oh, rats” and A sighs, “Yeah…” and they both feel bad, like hostesses who have given an unsuccessful party.

    I can’t speak for every denomination but in the average mainstream Christian church, that’s how people who blow are pursued and hunted down and their lives made miserable.

  • MidwestMom

    I did too!

  • MidwestMom

    Please tell me that I’m not the only one here who saw the movie “Scared Straight” in the 7th grade. I’m surely not the only goody goody in this crowd, am I?

  • DMSTCC
  • http://www.xenu.net Michael Leonard Tilse

    Hi, here is a link to the essay: “Scientology is evil and scientologists are dangerous”

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=100838&p=490392#p490392

  • Capt. Howdy

    Here we go. Couldn’t find any crime scene photos though : (

    http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/black/immel.htm

  • hermesacat

    Thanks for the link there Cap’n with details about that Krishna murder (no crime scene photos? Oh well, it may be just as well. It’s gruesome enough to imagine!). I see the victim apparently had delusions of grandeur (Jesus reincarnated), but I’m not sure he deserved to be beheaded! I recall being in a restaurant in Vancouver, BC in the 1980s & overhearing at a nearby table a woman who’d been in the cult & knew the victim. She was speaking to two policemen who were doing an informal background interview with her about her experiences in the cult. She mentioned how charismatic that beheaded leader was, that he seemed “a cut above” most everyone else & that many women in the cult fell in love with him & viewed him as a reincarnation of Krishna (& I guess later Jesus – or both? I’m not sure how that works), & would write him love letters saying “I know you are Krishna!, etc…)

    And I recall she talked about how kids she knew who had been raised in the Krishna cult had rebelled as teens, rejecting it. Including her son, who she said became a neo-Nazi skinhead & acquired some swastika tattoos as part of his rebellion. (I wonder what % of Co$ kids rebel as teens, or does the cult have them so deep inside it, rebellion’s difficult?). Hearing that conversation made me find more info. in library books about the cult & that murder. Your link says he was American, not Canadian as I thought. I think he had some Canadian connection, maybe lived at a BC temple at one time.

    btw, imagine what kinds of psychedelic trips OTIIIs & up might have. The notion of having thousands of parasitic body thetans stuck to you is a bad enough trip in itself. But to be contemplating such a “reality” while on psychedelics could be very stressful & unpleasant indeed, if not mental-breakdown or suicide inducing. Scientology seems ultimately one long bad trip. Hopefully, a fortunate tripper though might receive a valuable insight instead, the insight body thetans don’t exist & LRH invented them, & they should get the heck out of the dreary LRH cult built on unpleasant & destructive fictions!

  • Capt. Howdy

    We saw something like it, it was called “Scared Straight to Drugs” and it consisted of H-Bombs mushrooming, Vietnam War footage and Richard Nixon speeches.

  • hermesacat

    Midwest Mom: There do seem a lot of drugs use confessions popping up on the board lately, don’t there? “Scared Straight” I never saw (but read about at Wiki just now). But there are evidently some boons to drug use I hadn’t thought of before today: a drugs history could conveniently make it difficult or impossible for one to ever be eligible for the Hell-on-Earth known as the Sea Org. What a blessing to be ineligible for that sad fate! While hapless “goody-goodys” are prime candidates for lives of abuse & misery in the Sea Org!
    To paraphrase Bill Joel: “Only the good die young – or join the Sea Org (or both)!”

    As for Mom’s unwittingly growing pot plants for wayward children – probably not an uncommon scenario, & I too have first hand knowledge of such cases!

  • Poison Ivy

    Arnold Shapiro who produced Scared Straight ( & won the Oscar for it) is a close friend & colleague. A real hero and one of the few true mensches in Hollywood.

  • Capt. Howdy

    Hey, here’s Michael Leonard Tilse on the Glenn Beck Show in 2005. Unfortunately/fortunately Beck had a guest host on this day.

    http://www.xenutv.com/radio/tilse-070605.htm

  • MidwestMom

    Skip, I almost didn’t log on to this site today because I know that you don’t like it that some of us don’t use our real names when we post here.

    I have a son who has suffered repetitive traumatic brain injuries over the years, some as the result of others at his former school. We’ve been through so much over the years, that I just don’t feel comfortable using my real name, and feel it is prudent to protect him and my family from possible harm.

    When I read your words to honeycat, I couldn’t help feeling like I truly don’t belong here. I have never meant to over estimate my own sense of importance, but I can see why you would feel that way.

    I’ll check back later on here to see if Tony or anyone else agrees with your viewpoint and will respect it. Best wishes and thank you for your very informative posts!

  • grundoon

    62. Did you ever hit back?

  • MidwestMom

    We have coffee hour sign up sheets in the church hall and also usher sign ups, altar server signups, lectors, cantors and choir and music ministry, and Bible Study groups. We even get phone numbers or (gasp) e-mail addresses to remind you of your signup time, so if you sign up to bring a dish to pass at the potluck, we have ways of making sure that if you don’t show up, we’re still covered with enough food. We’re that sneaky.

  • Poison Ivy

    I found the listing of all those “street names” very cheesy and truly a sign of how “unhip” Is.

  • http://dmisacrim.wordpress.com DM is a Crim

    Well, when I was young enough to be hip, “Sherms” were short for Shermans. Which were Sherman’s cigarettes dipped in PCP. So ’70s, I know.

  • MidwestMom

    So, no one else here was asked out on their first date in high school at a Reagan -Bush fundraiser?

  • grundoon

    The Clarkston boys really know how to show a girl a good time!

    IIRC, Nancy Reagan disinvited the Beach Boys from playing at the Reagan inaugural because they would attract the “wrong element.” Surely you wouldn’t have been admitted to the fundraiser had they known you were so close to the Grateful Dead’s inner circle. ;-)

  • MidwestMom

    grundoon, The Beach Boys also performed at Pine Knob that summer! One afternoon, Mike Love was walking with a manager or ? (someone in a suit) and wasn’t looking where he was going and he bumped into me. I apologized (even though it was his fault) and he yelled at me and tried to take my name tag off and was having a fit about me being there.

    I was so scared, I ran straight to the supply trailer, afraid to come out because I could hear on the walkie talkie in the trailer that he wanted me fired. Thank goodness he misread my name! My boss came in there and after a while gave me a hat and a jacket to wear and walked me to the parking lot so I wouldn’t be spotted (I was supposed to work during the concert, but my boss told me to go home).

    They Beach Boys were very strange. They didn’t talk to each other and would tell the suit guy things and he would relay the message to the others when they were standing just feet apart, even during rehearsal!

    Mike Love was really into yoga at the time, but he was not a relaxed fellow. I guess I ruined his chi. (He hasn’t changed, from what I’ve heard lately!)

    My dad was very active in the Oakland County/Michigan Republican Party and had been a former delegate. I was even in a political ad that year for a Congressional candidate! Yes. I was a female Alex P. Keaton (Michael J. Fox’s character) on Family Ties.

    Don’t judge me, man. I was also on the Debate team. I was supah kewl! ha ha

  • grundoon

    The guy in the suit was probably Eugene Landy, Brian Wilson’s creeepy shrink and puppetmaster.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/31/magazine/31barrett_landy.t.html?_r=1
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Landy
    Here’s a video of Landy on stage giving the orders during a commercial shoot – http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2w7kk_brian-wilson-and-dr-eugene-landy-su_tech

  • MidwestMom

    P.I., Let him know I’m still scared straight! :)

  • Poison Ivy

    Will do! Your teens can watch his new series, “Beyond
    Scared Straight” …he is 71 and still going strong.

  • http://gravatar.com/ngraham1 N. Graham
  • grundoon

    Hey, a new cult!

    Displease Skip, and you’re out!

    Applicants for Internet posting privileges must complete the Life History Form thoroughly, leaving no blank spaces. Then take a seat until the Whole Track Sec Checker calls your name.

    If your application is approved, you’ll be issued an Internet Self-Importance Certificate (Grade 0 Provisional) entitling you to bloviate mildly amongst friends.

  • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

    MM, I trust you to know what you are doing and I’m sure he does too. Only a few give real names. We all have good reason to not.

  • Anon

    This is the internet. The option to remain anonymous is completely legitimate, and doesn’t need to be explained or justified.

  • http://gravatar.com/ngraham1 N. Graham

    I use my name because I think it’s more appropriate for this blog. There are various reasons to be here and we all express ourselves differently. I believe humor is one of the best ways but this doesn’t mean I don’t take the abuses of Scientology seriously. One of my best Scientology moments came when I called an org mainly to mildly harass them, and got one of their “newbies” answering the phone. So I calmly asked him questions from standard “Are you in a cult?” P.R., such as “Is the leader always right?” Is there any tolerance for logical questions or criticism of a process? I kept getting affirmative replies and told him he should be careful, never too late to leave before you really get sucked in, etc. lol I called back the next day and he was gone! But I haven’t actually been in Scientology. You never know where you will fit in MM. But stand your ground. I personally have “liked” many of your comments and feel the blog would not be as good without you and other people like us.

  • Capt. Howdy

    @MidwestMom No, but I did play the Mabuhay Gardens which was the Frisco equivalent.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabuhay_Gardens

  • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

    You got it for just asking :-)

  • grundoon

    I was gonna thumb you down but the light caught my eye. I love the way it refracts through the little droplets of resin. Uhh, hold that thought, man, I’ll be with you in a few minutes.

  • Capt. Howdy

    I saw the Dead open for the Who in ’76. Me and my droogs passed out from the combination of the yago sangria and the seconals and the Dead. I woke up an hour later and they were still playing the same song !

  • grundoon

    Your trouble is, you were 30 years ahead of your time. You should have saved the barbiturates for a dubstep concert.

    Part of the joy of a Dead show is when you fine tune your precise chemical balance with the artistry of a gourmet chef.. Tromping all over your neurons with Seconal is like going to a four star restaurant and drenching ketchup over your entree and topping it with a bottle of Night Train.

    Kids these days….

  • Capt. Howdy

    Tony’s got a new story UP !

  • MidwestMom

    Joining the Junior league back in my newlywed days was so much easier!

  • flunk123

    I think LSD is capable of providing a more extreme experience.
    One user told me he experienced “pure white – all there was was white light, and awareness of my self as a being”
    This was a friend of a friend, who was on staff in the GO (precursor to the OSA)! He accompanied Diana Hubbard on her 70’s radio tour to promote her piano album. They became friends, and I got to meet Diana.
    This guy left Scientology. He accepted a payment not to talk. But he talked … and one day, walking down the street, a man beat the living shit out of him. He had health problems for years, complaining that doctors were misdiagnosing him. He finally got treated … though he claims he had to physically threaten a physician to get the treatment he needed. Too weird for me, man!

  • DMSTCC

    Sorry to stretch the thread, but this was fun (and I’m sure could be better from others)…

    16. Please list your education, including schooling, professional training, any degrees you hold, etc.

    Wog education? Fudge that, don’t bother looking. I hold every Phd known to wogs and then some.

    17. What is your present job? How long have you worked there?

    Psych buster and underwear model on planet Owengwez

    18. Please list your past jobs (include date and length of time you worked there, and why you left)

    Jobs are for wogs, but I have a shit load of hats.

    19. Please list any special skills you have

    20. What languages do you speak?

    All languages of the universe.

    21. Do you have any children? Name, Age, Do they live with you? Do you pay child support?

    I never had any children.

    22. Are you in good physical condition? If no, please give details

    No, I am a small layer of ocean sediment that even the most voracious fish rejected on my way down to bottom.

    23. Have you ever threatened or attempted suicide? If so, please give the details

    Me? No. But, I threatened others would commit suicide if they crossed me.

    24. Do you have any chronic illness? If so, please give details

    There are no chronic illnesses. Hey COB, WTF, did you even open any of my books?

    25. Are you currently taking drugs or medicine? If so, which ones and how long have you been taking them?

    If it ends in a vowel, I’ve done it. Actually, I’ve done all except for the ones that end in “Q’

    26. Have you taken street drugs? If so, which ones and how many times did you take them?

    If you mean snorting tar? Yep.

    27. Have you taken LSD or “Acid” (Some slang names are “blotter acid”, “window pane”, “orange sunshine”, “purple haze”, and “microdot”)?

    No, I took Scooby Doo.

    28. Have you ever taken PCP or Angel Dust (Some slang names are “Sherms”, “Superweed”, “Dust”, “Super Kool”, “Killer Weed”, “Whack” and “Animal Tranquilizer”)?

    Where do you think OT levels came from? Duh!

    29. Have you ever sold drugs? If so, please give the details.

    Never “sold” drugs.

    30. Please list your interests and hobbies

    Boys and girls in hot pants. Complete control of all of the universes that wogs don’t know of

    31. Please list the courses you have done, where you did them and when

    N/A: All courses were created by me trillion of years ago.

    32. Have you received any Scientology or Dianetics auditing? Please list what you have received and when

    Oh, please. Stupid is as stupid does.

    33. Are you currently under contract to any Dianetics or Scientology organization? If so, please give specifics

    Blah, blah, blah.

    34. Former Scientology employment: Have you ever worked in a Scientology organization, mission or field group? If yes, give details of where, when and what posts held.

    Too many tracks to list. There’s not enough trees in to universe to list all on paper.

    35. Have you ever left staff or the Sea Org? If yes, give full details

    No, but I do sneak in to the new Idle Orgs to steal toilet paper.

    36. Are you the subject of an ethics order or conditions order, or anything else that dismisses you from staff or the Sea Org? If so, give details, and what your re-entry program consisted of and what was done on it.

    I had a problem with punctuation, but COB fixed that a few times over.

    37. Please list any self betterment or religious group you have belonged to

    Aleister Crowley’s satanic drug and sex shop

    38. Do you have debts? If so, please list who you owe it to and the amount

    I think I owe the IRS about 3 billion dollars, but I don’t care. Look at me, I’m a thetan. Catch me if you can MFs!

    39. Have you ever been bonded? If so, where and for what organization?

    Aleister Crowley’s satanic drug and sex shop

    40. Are you a minor? If yes, do you have your parents’ or guardian’s consent to join the Sea Organization?

    I am all ages. Why is this question listed at all.

    41. Are you subject to military service? If so, how long are you subject to service?

    http://www.ronthenut.org/

    42. Have you ever been convicted of a crime? If so, please give details

    Not under the law that I follow

    43. Have you ever been in jail? If so, please state why and for how long?

    We are all in jail forever unless you heed my words.

    44. Have you committed any felonies for which you weren’t caught? For example, grand theft auto, arson or some other such severe act?

    Never. My word is better than gold on this one.

    45. have you been involved in any criminal activities like prostitution or illegal sex? Other examples would be downloading child pornography or sexual activities with a minor. If so, when and what state and country did this occur in and what handlings have you done?

    Nothing that comes to my reactive mind except for http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/hubbard-the-rapist-forrester.htm

    46. Have you ever been involved in homosexual activities or sexual perversions? If so, please note any handlings done

    Aleister Crowley’s satanic drug and sex shop, but I’m all better now. Hang on JT is calling.

    47. Have you seen a psychiatrist or psychologist? If so, please give the details of when you went, the treatment you received and how many times

    No, they thought I was too crazy for help.

    48. Have you received any treatment in any psychiatric institution, hospital or similar place?

    Didn’t I just answer this?

    49. Have you threatened to sue or sued a Scientology church or persons working in a Scientology church or organization?

    Only after I left my meat body. The fucking midget deleted much of my crazy stuff without permission.

    50. Are you related to or connected to intelligence agencies either by past history or immediate family?

    N/A – I am the intelligence agencies.

    51. Do you have any relatives that have worked for the government? If so, who and what branch did they work for?

    Only my wife, Mary Sue. She went rouge and got caught on purpose. The psychs paid her off, I’m sure.

    52. Are any of your parents or close relatives antagonistic to Scientology or would they be in disagreement with your working here?

    No, I got rid of them.

    53. Are you here to obtain news stories?

    No, I create news stories. I write the songs that make the young girls cry.

    54. Are you here to disrupt the organization?

    Disrupt is a psych term. Fucking COB changed this from “Enturbulate”.

    55. Have you been given any security clearances for any job or agency?

    I created security clearances. FU

    56. Have you worked in a high security section of the government or armed forces? If so, what did you do?

    I single handedly won WWII on all fronts. I created and ran all security for supposed “government”.

    57. Have you ever sung or whistled just for fun?

    WTF? That’s gay and unproductive.

    58. Have you ever given or received a “Dirty Sanchez”? If so please provide photos for COB’s collection if possible.

    COB already has the photos.

    59. Have you ever sucked cock on Hollywood Blvd.? Again please provide photos for COB’s collection if possible.

    COB already has the photos.

    60. Have you ever made fun of COB’s height?

    All the time. Why do you think he’s as nuts as he is?

    61. Have you ever made fun of COB’s speech impediment?

    You mean that side mouth speak? Yeah, the little fuck had a crazy look in his eyes when I berated him on that.

    61b. Have you ever been slapped or beaten by a midget?

    Only during sex.

    62. Have you ever made fun of Tom Cruise’s height?

    WTF is a Tom Cruise?

    63. Have you ever made the claim that COB is a self-loathing homosexual and a weasily little twerp?

    Maybe too often.

    64. Are you now or have you ever been a “bitter defrocked apostate”?

    Only to the evil psychs.

    65. Are you allergic to either beans or rice?

    Not that I know of. I only had the best food available.

    66. Please choose the correct answer to complete the following sentence – When COB presented Tom Cruise with the Freedom Medal Of Valor award it was a) a pivotal moment in the history of Scientology b) really swell as Tom is the greatest Scientologist that has ever lived except for LRH and COB c) gay as fuck

    C. I can smell the gay from target 5

  • grundoon

    When a Sea Ogre hates his job or his boss and wants to change jobs, first he must recruit and train someone to fill his place in the detestable old job.

    You better believe they’re desperate.

  • HCO Chief

    There’s a Flag Order where L. Ron talks about how they always had problems with staff members who had taken LSD in the past. This was obviously therefore a science to him as he only needed sample sizes of 2 or more for anything to be deemed a science. He also said it only takes a millionth of an ounce of LSD to produce a full trip and that the crystals stored in the fatty deposits of your body so theoretically any past LSD user was prone to tripping out again should the LSD rerelease into the blood stream.

  • http://gravatar.com/thisisworkingforme deLizabeth

    I’m impressed with your story. You are explicit in detail, wow. Kudos to you for writing it down. This is so very helpful to me as I don’t feel the need to write my own in detail and can refer to yours. You have really got it all together and I just love you for it. Thank you so much for this incredible information.

  • Jon Hendry

    No mention of bath salts.

    “29. Have you ever tried to eat someone’s face?”

  • flunk123

    This guy I am talking about tried LSD growing in up in Brooklyn. He later he became a Scientologist and went out to LA. He was a GO spokesman often quoted in newspaper articles. He dug Diana. I liked her too. She was tall and ethereal with long flaming red hair.

  • hermesacat

    Interesting. I’ve only ever used natural psychedelics, not chemical ones, so I don’t know LSD first hand. I liked a quote from Grace Slick (I think) comparing LSD & DMT that goes something like:
    “LSD is a long strange trip [I know it sounds like a Dead song!], while DMT is like being shot out of a cannon.” DMT reportedly is mind-blowingly powerful, but only lasts half an hour.
    STP was supposedly very powerful & not necessarily pleasant. I recall Pete Townshend saying he took STP around the time of Monterey Pop Festival & never took any chemical psychedelics again, it was so unpleasant. I knew someone who had a large tolerance for drug experiences who tried STP & he found it to be too much. It’s partly the effect lasts too long, apparently, longer than LSD. I’ve not used it, but I like what I read about Ayahuasca, which typically yields especially healing experiences, reportedly. That sounds like my kind of drug!

    Re. Diana Hubbard: it’s good to know at least someone in the Hubbard family was a decent seeming human being!

  • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.beatty.50 Chuck Beatty

    Unvelievably decent, in other words. Yes, it’s so amazing to see religious members of other churches act so decently.

    Unbelievable comparison to the lengths Scientologists badger and coerce their parishioners and staff.

    Thanks a lot for these examples.

  • MidwestMom

    You’re very welcome! Oh, something interesting happened recently. Our priest hit a moose driving and smashed his car two weeks ago. The moose and priest both survived, fortunately. The car got the worst of it. It’s a dangerous job!.

  • sheepherder

    Chuck, dear man,
    There is a greater difference between CoS and a genuine church than between “Yellow Polkadot Bikini” and Mozart’s Requiem. If you are too young to have heard the former, count yourself very lucky; if you’ve never heard the latter, go to the nearest library and check it out. You will hear the voice of humanity’s heart and soul. Scientology has neither. Doesn’t even know what they are.

    “Unbelievably decent” is how people are supposed to behave. If they’re not behaving with decency, compassion, all that is best in humankind, they’re not being truly religious.

    It horrifies me that ordinary decent conduct would seem amazing in comparison to CoS. But then, it’s only a ‘religion’ for tax purposes.

    I

  • trustmeonthisone

    Actually, I believe it is a double-cross!

  • Yellow Knight

    I totally hear you!. My spouse was a 12 year old with his family on the Apollo in ’69. He was forced to sign, or be sent to live with relatives he did not know.

  • http://gravatar.com/ngraham1 N. Graham

    WELL, IT’S PRETTY EXCITING NEWS! HOW COULD YOU NOT USE ALL CAPS?

  • http://gravatar.com/ngraham1 N. Graham

    And talk about your INCREDIBLE wins!

  • http://gravatar.com/ngraham1 N. Graham

    That’s truly funny and not surprising that you got the Narconon site. There is a definition in the “Urban Dictionary.”
    sherm A cigarette or joint of some sort dipped in Phencyclidine more commonly known as PCP, which is then smoked. The name “sherm” was originally coined from, people dipping Nat Sherman cigarettes into liquid PCP. PCP comes as either a white powder or liquid form, the latter given the street name “embalming fluid.” There is much confusion over the practice of dipping cigarettes in “embalming fluid” leading some to think that real embalming fluid may actually be used. Smoking actual formaldehyde will cause intoxication, and may cause serious health consequences beyond those of consuming PCP.

  • http://www.alanzosblog.com Alanzo

    Sorry. Couldn’t help it.

  • http://gravatar.com/ngraham1 N. Graham

    I’ve got to agree with Flunk123. I think Elron must have taken acid, and realized OT powers could never compare. It had been around in California since at least 1958, which is the year Cary Grant took it. If Elron wanted to investigate black magic, I’ll bet he also hunted down some LSD before it was more well-known, (it became more widespread about 1964 for the Ken Kesey acid tests and about 1965 or 1966 for widespread use by hippies. 1968 was the year Carlos Castaneda wrote his books about peyote, etc. which made drugs more acceptable to a seeker of knowledge.

  • http://poisonivyherself.wordpress.com poisonivyherself

    Another ’50’s straight-arrow who experimented with LSD – Bill Wilson, co-founder of AA. Though sober from alcohol for many years, Bill heard of LSD from some of his friends in the Medical Community, who proposed it to him as a possible help for alcoholics who sought a spiritual awakening and the shedding of ego necessary for sobriety. Spirtual awakening in a bottle, in other words. LSD was legal then and in the US & Canada it was promoted by many men of science as the possible cure all to a manner of psychological ills. In 1956, Bill took LSD in controlled experiments, under supervision (so it wasn’t like a balls-out relapse, for those anti-AA people…you have to put it in context.) This is what Bill had to say afterward:
    “It is a generally acknowledged fact in spiritual development that ego reduction makes the influx of God’s grace possible. If, therefore, under LSD we can have a temporary reduction, so that we can better see what we are and where we are going — well, that might be of some help. The goal might become clearer. So I consider LSD to be of some value to some people, and practically no damage to anyone. It will never take the place of any of the existing means by which we can reduce the ego, and keep it reduced.”

    Here’s another cutie pie who took LSD in 1956:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeO2BOdmkEg

    Perhaps the idea of ego-reduction caused by LSD was what put LRon off of it?

  • http://poisonivyherself.wordpress.com poisonivyherself

    Oops, I think I put the wrong linkie in: This was the 1950’s housewife I was talking about above:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGf2loLAwVE

  • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/ Jens TINGLEFF

    Pre-pubescent kids are indeed a special target group, according to ex-SO friends of mine. Too young and they can’t handle the physical labour so 10 years and up sounds about right. Obviousdly, if you get a pre-pubescent teen or pre-teen they do not have a sex drive so they can be tuned to channel that drive into Command Intention when the time comes.

    Your tax dollars at work. And documented also through the files submitted by teh criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology to immigration departments.

  • MidwestMom

    Thank you all for your feedback. I appreciate it very much! I think that the more we non/never been ins are aware of the horrific realities of Scientology, the more we can educate others to become more aware and outraged.

    It has been very enlightening to witness how empowered former members have become and to see how so many incredibly brave people here are educating the public about the truth, tenaciously challenging the governments blind eyed apathy to Scientology’s abusive practices, as well as documenting individual experiences for historical record.

    It’s not an easy job for you, to be sure, but it is significant and is resulting in much change. Kudos to you all!