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Scientology Drug Rehab: New Evidence in the Disturbing Case of Richard Teague

AFRDrug rehab centers affiliated with the Church of Scientology have become the focus of multiple government investigations and civil lawsuits in the last two years, and one of the most disturbing cases involving those facilities is the one of Richard Teague in Michigan.

On January 15, 2011, while being held in the “withdrawal unit” of Narconon Freedom Center in Albion, Michigan, Teague, while exhibiting symptoms of severe benzodiazepine withdrawal, set himself on fire with the use of a cigarette lighter and a spray cologne bottle. With flames engulfing him, he ran outside and extinguished the fire by plunging into the snow.

(In Oklahoma, it was the “withdrawal unit” of Scientology’s flagship drug rehab facility, Narconon Arrowhead, where Stacy Dawn Murphy died of a drug overdose in July, 2012, leading to multiple government investigations and the passage of a new state law to regulate rehab facilities in that state more closely.)

Teague filed suit against two related facilities that treated him — Narconon Freedom Center is no longer part of the suit, but the other one is, as we’ll explain in a minute. Now, there’s troubling new evidence about Richard Teague’s initial days at those Michigan facilities.

When Teague was first admitted to Narconon Freedom Center in Albion, within hours he was moved to another facility called “A Forevery Recovery,” a medical detox facility in nearby Battle Creek, Michigan which is owned by a man named Per Wickstrom. (Wickstrom owns the building in Albion which is leased by Narconon Freedom Center, and he owns or is affiliated with several other rehab facilities in the state.)

For five days, Teague was treated at A Forever Recovery as he was “weaned” from his klonopin and alcohol addictions. And now, Teague’s attorneys have deposed a woman who was the director of nursing at that facility and who helped treat Teague there.

For reasons that will become obvious, we’re only going to refer to this woman as Nurse Jackie.

Jackie first became a registered nurse in 1979, but from 1999 to 2009 she lost her license because of drug addictions and because she was caught stealing injectable demerol from a hospital where she worked. But she cleaned herself up, finished a bachelor’s degree, and by 2009 she’d won back her nursing license.

At the time, she was working at an arts and crafts store, but she’d put her nursing resume online when she was interviewed by Wickstrom’s company. And that’s when she went from selling scrapbooking supplies to become the director of nursing at A Forever Recovery.

It was quite a leap, but she’d been on the job for two years before Richard Teague arrived in January 2011.

Teague’s attorney, Jeff Ray, did the questioning during her deposition.

Q. Did you ever relapse when you were employed at AFR?

A. No.

Q. Have you seen other employees relapse while they were employed at AFR?

A. Yes.

Q. Who?

A. Oh, my goodness.

Jackie then named a couple of employees she saw struggle with drug addictions. As we’ve seen in other Scientology-affiliated rehabs around the country, the staff is often made up of recent graduates from the program, and Narconon’s own internal documents and lawsuits filed against the centers allege rampant use of drugs.

Ray questioned Jackie about her background, and about her move from selling arts supplies to becoming the director of nursing at a medical detox center which treated people going through severe drug withdrawal.

Q. OK. So, basically you went to work in the spring of ’09 as an RN. You didn’t receive any special training except what you did on your own. The company didn’t say, “Hey, you’ve got to read this, you’ve got to go through this training program, you’ve got to do all these things before you can work here.” They didn’t do that.

A. That is correct.

Jackie described a procedure that made sure a patient who was sent by Narconon to the medical detox at A Forever Recovery would be seen by a physician to make sure that a regimen was established for them. Then Jackie or one of the other nurses would check on them repeatedly, to make sure that their vital signs and other inidicators were good.

There was no program at A Forever Recovery, Jackie testified. Patients were given drugs to help them with withdrawal, and after five days of sitting around or using a gym, if things had gone well, they would be sent back to Narconon, which doesn’t use drugs but a combination of sauna, vitamins and “life skills.” (As we’ve reported before, these “life skills” courses are indistinguishable from the low-level drills that Scientologists go through in the church.)

But when she’s shown paperwork in Teague’s case, Jackie admits that it’s difficult to tell what days she worked or who was actually making observations of him. She admits at one point that she and another nurse were accustomed to signing for each other, pretending that they’d done work when they really hadn’t.

And at one point, Ray asks her if she’s heard about a scheme at A Forever Recovery to target insurance companies.

Q. Did you ever hear of someone at AFR, whether they were in Division 6 or otherwise, telling a new patient to actually ingest drugs or alcohol before they came to the facility so that there would be more … more confident of insurance coverage?

A. Can I clarify that? Did I hear the AFR staff say that?

Q. Did you hear of that practice taking place?

A. I heard of it. I heard of it by the client.

Q. More than one client?

A. Correct.

Another practice that seemed alarming was that Jackie said patients weren’t just weaned off of heroin or cocaine or alcohol, but that they were also gradually taken off of any psychiatric medications they might be taking.

Scientology is famous for its virulent hatred for the psychiatric profession and psychiatric pharmaceuticals.

In the case of Richard Teague, however, Jackie testified that he had tested negative for drugs, but when he said he had recently used klonopin and had been abusing it for decades, they took the precaution of keeping him at the medical detox for the usual five days. And though he exhibited symptoms consistent with Benzodiazepine Withdrawal Syndrome, he was approved to be returned to the Narconon center.

Q. Do you have an opinion as to why Richard Teague would have lit himself on fire the day after he left AFR facility?

A. I have no idea.

Q. OK.

A. I have no idea.

Q. I didn’t think so, but I just felt like I should ask you. Do you feel, knowing what little you do, what I just told you happened to him — unless you know more that I don’t know about — that an extended stay in detox would have been beneficial to him?

A. I do not think an extended stay in detox would have been beneficial to him. I think getting psychiatric help would have been beneficial to him. And that was not provided at either AFR or Narconon.

Attorney Jeff Ray has more depositions lined up in the case. Narconon Freedom Center is no longer part of the lawsuit, but A Forever Recovery is still being sued by Teague. Nurse Jackie has left A Forever Recovery and is now working for a different company.

As for Teague, after he was moved back from A Forever Recovery to Narconon Freedom Center, he ran away from the facility that day and made it to a nearby hospital with the help of a stranger. There, he was diagnosed with numbness and tingling in his face and hands, a symptom of benzodiazepine withdrawal, which can have serious consquences. He was discharged and went home. But that evening, he was visited by an employee of Narconon Freedom Center, who convinced him to return. Then he was put into the “withdrawal unit,” where his attorneys allege in his legal complaint that he was left unsupervised with items he should not have had while going through withdrawal. With those items, he lit himself on fire, and was engulfed in flames which were extinguished in the snow outside the building. Reads the complaint…

[Teague] received serious, permanent and grievous injuries as a result of burns suffered while in the care of Narconon Freedom Center…[he] was in a delusional, paranoid state when he was severely and permanently burned on January 15, 2011…Narconon Freedom Center and A Forever Recovery rely exclusively on the written “technology” (writings) of L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Church of Scientology, to address the drug and alcohol rehabilitation needs of students enrolled in Narconon programs, even though Hubbard had no training or education in drug and alcohol rehabilitation.

We expect more evidence in this case to break soon, and as soon as it does, we’ll bring it to you.

 
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Brandon_Ogborn_FeastThere’s Still Time to Help TomKat Project Get to LA

Brandon Ogborn gave the Underground Bunker a cool shout-out when he took part in the Feast of Fun podcast yesterday. Ogborn made the appearance as his play, The TomKat Project, is hoping to raise enough money to take the hilarious show to Los Angeles.

The TomKat Project is more than just a send-up of the strange relationship between Katie Holmes, Tom Cruise, and Cruise’s best buddy, Scientology leader David Miscavige. Ogborn manages to skewer celebrity culture itself, and he does it by pulling a lot of material directly from tabloid reporting of the famous couple. This show needs to be seen in LA, so help us get the word out about it.

 
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Scientology and its Attorneys

Another fun video from Karen de la Carriere, J. Swift, and Angry Gay Pope…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on October 18, 2013 at 08:40

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  • thatssotheta

    so now we have attorney Jeff Ray representing Teague and Ray Jeffrey representing Monique Rathbun. hope I can keep them straight!

    • Krew13

      And Ray J is a singer.

      • Sherbet

        Yes. Singing. That’s what he and Kim K were doing in their video…

    • GlibWog

      I know.. what a Coincidence..

    • Espiando

      This makes me want to father twin boys and name them Jeff and Ray. With both of their middle names being Ted, of course.

      • Sherbet

        You can call me Ray. Or you can call me Jay. But you doesn’t hafta call me Johnson…Sorry, 1980s flashback.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I can call you Betty

          And Betty when you call me

          You can call me Al

          • pronoia

            If you’ll be my bodyguard
            I can be your long lost pal!

        • thatssotheta

          Unfortunately your joke is lost on me as I wasn’t born until ’88.. ๐Ÿ™

          • Espiando
            • thatssotheta

              ๐Ÿ™‚ found clips on youtube. funny!

            • Robert Eckert

              Well I was always in the camp of those who did not find it all that funny, but for those who do not know the bit:

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoYsfbq3vMc

            • DamOTclese2

              ๐Ÿ™‚ He was awesome. His ties alone made me laugh when he stepped on to the stage. Gods, I miss Vaudeville.

          • Mooser

            “Unfortunately your joke is lost on me as I wasn’t born until ’88.. :(“

            Look, I think somebody should make this clear. Just because you were born in ’88 you still have the right to remember the 60’s and 70’s, or at least claim you were so high you can’t.
            It is the inalienable right of every American!

            • DamOTclese2

              People born after quality entertainment can still hearsay Google the comedic giants of the past — assuming they’re not Scientology customers, of course.

            • Johnny Tank

              If you can’t remember your previous lives, you can always try Scientology…

    • Minion Gayle

      I’m already lost half the time. Especially with one of Sciloon’s attorney’s in Monique’s case being named Lamont JEFFerson.

      • thatssotheta

        I knew there was another Jeff I was forgetting somewhere!

        • Minion Gayle

          Don’t forget Jefferson Hawkins, not one of the attorneys, but deeply imbedded in all this. It’s like a Jeff-a-palloza around here. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • DamOTclese2

      Bet you $1 David thinks it’s a psych conspiracy.

    • dagobarbz

      You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or…

  • Walter Mitty

    Fresh in from Photoshop:

    • DamOTclese2

      ROFL! Schultz handed Lt. Lubbou his rifle and asked him to hold it while Schultz searched Klink’s desk for a letter. ๐Ÿ™‚ If anything David is dumber than Schultz was. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Observer

    OMG, these clowns are allowed to stay in business! This needs to be picked up by major news outlets. Think Barbara Walters would be interested?

    Thanks to nurse Jackie for stepping up and being honest even though some of the stuff casts her in a not entirely flattering light. She is doing what she can to help right a wrong.

    • GlibWog

      Yeah.. the same Babawa Wawa who defended the Cult.. sigh..

      Thank God Sherri opened her mouth..

    • D.Y.G.

      I think Nurse Jackie got off easy for falsifying medical records – She admits at one point that she and another nurse were accustomed to
      signing for each other, pretending that theyโ€™d done work when they
      really hadnโ€™t.

      • DamOTclese2

        Problem is that all of them did it, all of them do it. Convincing a DA’s office to crack the whole fraud open seems impossible, the people who are supposed to be putting these people in prison are busy putting non-offending dope smokers in prison. That’s easier than going after actual crime.

    • ze moo

      Per is trying to start up another rehab and detox in Michigan. I do hope the licensing authorities (if there are any) see the record of Per’s other businesses.

    • DamOTclese2

      The sheer core incompetence is as bad as their core criminality, yeah. The only reason they started adding actual doctors was due to Judges ordering it and yet the crooks can’t get even the smallest detail right, all because they suck Hubbard’s long-dead whang.

    • Once_Born

      Well said.

      I can understand someone who thought their career was over grabbing a job offer like that with both hands, but
      admire her for coming clean. I wonder how long it took her to realise her mistake.

      At the very least, ‘Nurse Jackie’ understands a principle that the CofS has never been able to grasp – ‘When you are in a hole, stop digging’.

  • chukicita

    “The meeting never occurred” – bwaaaa! Thanks Karen, J.Swift and Angry Gay Pope. That made my morning!

  • Krew13

    Revolting. I should’ve stopped being shocked by Scamatology’s atrocities long ago but reading these ever more horrific and heartbreaking accounts makes me sick and furious. I sincerely hope karma’s going to catch up with these fuckers very soon.

    http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/9a/d5/d1/9ad5d10fc1076f5edd09f030fdf8695c.jpg

    • Slartibartfatsdomino

      “All you have to do is sit back and watch.”

      ?

      I don’t think that you actually agree with this sentiment, given what else I’ve seen you posting here. You, and I think most people here, would agree, I think, that one should call attention to injustices at the very least and not just “sit back and watch.”

      • RMycroft
      • Krew13

        I agree. I posted it more in terms of enjoying watching them crash and burn, like with the court coverage etc, not as in not doing anything to expose their criminality.

        • Slartibartfatsdomino

          I thought you would agree. And I agree with the schadenfreude of watching them crash and burn as well!

          • Krew13

            I’m counting the days till the court hearing to decide if Miscmidget will take the stand. And if he does have to take the stand, I am clearing my schedule for whatever day it happens, stocking up on snacks and spending all day right here reading Tony’s coverage. Or should I say, blown-by-blown coverage. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Mooser

          “enjoying watching them crash and burn,”

          I don’t think there is any doubt that is what’s happening, a big crash and burn, and it couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch than the Scientologists. They should have tried being just a little nicer.

      • ThetaBara
  • Elen

    I think Mr. Ray is very brave to take these cases. Granted, he is paid for his efforts but his efforts are heroic considering the shenanigans that the CoS pulls on anyone who dare oppose them. Go get ’em Jeff!

    • Elen

      Also… I have to agree with Observer on his tip of the hat to Nurse Jackie!

      • Robert Eckert

        Observer is a “her”

        • Elen

          Thank you! I have replaced with a gender neutral term!!

          • Observer

            ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Elen

              Just for the record, I do know you’re a gal!! I was in a hurry!! <3

  • Espiando

    I have a feeling the cult isn’t going to put up much of a defense. Instead of staff that can be directly linked to ABLE Int and up the chain, it’s only a whale, the oleaginous Per Wickstrom, who’s going to take the heat (now that Narconon Freedom’s no longer in the suit). He’s going to get thrown under the bus, which he eminently deserves.

    And is it just me, or does Karen look deliciously MILFy in that Sea Org hat?

    • DamOTclese2

      Time for David to throw Wickstrom under the bus. “He did it! He did it all!” David has the phrase memorized.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Jeffrey Ray is doing a terrific job in MI in regards to Teague and other cases related to these terrible facilities. The Teague case incident happened just before Per Wickstrom and his sister set up “Tranquility Detox”, which both A Forever Recovery and Best Drug Rehab are running. Narconon Freedom Center used AFR for medical detox cases. They probably use Tranquilty Detox as well.

    Teague is a most important case because it shows that Scientology is at the heart of both, that these companies had no business being in the detox business and that harm could have been averted -0 as in other cases across the country. Hopefully we will hear not only more about this case but about Tranquility Detox, Amber Bullin’s death and what is being done to shut these facilities down.

    • Espiando

      And full credit to you, Mary, and to everyone at Tipping Point for keeping track of the slow-motion implosion-demolition of Narconon and having your hands on the blast trigger. Whenever I get confused about which fake treatment center is which, I can always count on you to straighten me out.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank you Mary. I was surprised and puzzled by “Patients were given drugs to help them with withdrawal”. Scientologists dispensing drugs? Are there doctors or is it nurses supervising the withdrawals? And if this is true, why hasn’t Miscavige announced how many kazillion drugs have been dispensed? And for the love of god, what more will it take to get this Wickstrom creature off the streets and locked up? He has been around far too long, harmed unthinkable numbers, and I am tired of hearing his name over and over in the scientology atrocities hall of fame. You and all the others have the patience of saints.

      • Observer

        Maybe the drugs were supplied by Denise Miscavige.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Ouch! That reminds me:

          “Where’s Denise, Dave?”

          “Where’s Dave, Shelly?”

          • Miss Tia

            Oh is Denise missing now too?

            • Pepsicat

              I hope so.

            • Graham

              She’s probably with Karin “invisible spokes-person” Pouw.

            • Cat Daddy

              I’snt that just David in drag ?

            • Miss Tia

              or Shelly! or Heber!

            • DamOTclese2

              I miss Heber. Talk about how wonderfully amusing the mentally insane can be, he was a classic act! You could make that loon dance with the drop of a single word, literally. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Miss Tia

              and it’s TOTALLY normal for the president of a church to basically disappear for almost 10 years, right?

            • DamOTclese2

              They’re all on “religious retreat.” All of them. Yeah.

            • DamOTclese2

              Did you see that dipshit’s Amusing Kook Spew? Gods, what’s wrong with that stupid clown? She needs to hire a public relations consultancy to learn how to lie properly.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Haven’t heard a peep about her anywhere.

            • Miss Tia

              Oh gee, i hope she hasn’t joined Shelly!

            • DamOTclese2

              My theory is that Karin Pouw is so covered in bruises that she’s healing a new face somewhere out at Gilman Hot Springs. (David has been known to slap people on rare occasion.)

            • Miss Tia

              you can’t mean COB!!!! he’s just a simple religious man who is pious and spends his days counting money reading scripture!

            • joan nieman

              Ok Tia. Ha ha!

          • Barbara Angel

            Both probably cooking up methamphetamine in an underground lab somewhere, so he can sell it to kids on the street in candy bags. Then direct them a year later into Narcon.

            Well its all about the DELICIOUS Moneeeeeeeee that he needs so badly.

            Too Much Is Not Enough, when it comes to green backs.

        • joan nieman

          Hmmm. Maybe!

        • Barbara Angel

          Yep, you’re probably spot on. Bet he gets them for free to.

      • whenpigsswim

        Can you imagine also telling the incoming patient to drink or take drugs right before they arrive?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          It’s barfable.

        • BR

          This is actually common practice. I do extensive work in the rehab area (my brother was an alcoholic and
          he went into rehab at 16 if you can believe it), and sadly,
          the attitude at many insurers is “Well if you’re sober/clean right now, you
          clearly don’t need detox, right?” It is very, very common to sit in the
          parking lot with someone while they slam a beer and then walk in the front
          door. (Note: I am not addressing any part of their “treatment,” which is obviously a fraud. But this one specific complaint is much ado about nothing.

        • Gardenia_Rose

          I agree with BR. An example would be a severe alcoholic who’s family is taking him to rehab after an intervention. The family might think it best to cut them off because they are going into treatment. Unfortunately, alcohol withdrawal can lead to seizures and may be potentially fatal. It’s best to have a medically supervised detox, especially with alcohol because the effects of withdrawal come on pretty rapidly.

          • whenpigsswim

            Yes I do remember now seeing that on some of those TV shows about addiction.

      • ReneeG

        There are protocols that are used for withdrawals that include standardized assessment scales and specific drugs and dosages that are used based on the results of the assessment. The protocols must be authorized by a physician and usually only licensed providers such as RNs are allowed to perform the assessment that results in administration of medications. There are very specific laws about who is allowed to administer medications. MEDICAL facilities have different requirements and are more tightly regulated than NON-medical facilities. AFR appears to be a MEDICAL facility, and thus is easier to regulate and sue based on breaches of standards of care.

        BTW, it is the job of the Director of Nursing to uphold the quality of nursing care delivered, and part of that is monitoring the quality of the documentation of care. It appears that this woman admitted to many infractions, including documenting in the name of someone else, a HUGE, HUGE no-no.

        It appears that in most states non-medical facilities don’t have a great burden to demonstrate a competent level of care.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Thank you. Much education about the protocols involved. Any past Narconon cases have revealed no physicians on site when they were supposed to be, or not really qualified for withdrawal procedures or absent too much of the time. I had a different perspective from Ray’s questions about the customer being told to injest Before entering in order to assure insurance coverage. That’s a completely different scenario. It appears that scientology’s approach to the pesky matter of Real Medicine is to set up separate entities in different physical locations, but skimp on everything else. Still boggles my mind that it is to difficult to get this nightmare shut down permanently.
          Thanks for your information and Gardenia Rose’s. It helps those of us who know nothing about requirements and procedures to have a measuring tool against what scientology entertains as “taking care of business”.

          • Captain Howdy

            Actually before you go into detox you want to load up on whatever your drug of choice is because that will of course delay the inevitable hell of detox that much longer and the level of medication you receive to lessen that is based in part on the blood work they drew when you came in. Also, if you’re homeless and have a addiction and you’ve been kicking in the street for a few days and you go to try to get into a public detox they won’t take you because you’re not actively high or drunk. this is why many people simply tell the E.R or hospital admin they are feeling suicidal which by law means they have to take you.

            • Mooser

              Capt. Howdy, drug withdrawal can range from a mild discomfort to a life threatening physical or mental situation.

            • Captain Howdy

              You don’t say? I’ve been an addict/alcoholic for 30 plus years..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks Cap’n. I usually go to the corner and just listen when it comes to this subject. I’ve been getting quite an education on the whole rehab scene and it’s a bit like scientology in that it’s always worse than you think.

        • Mooser

          Thanks ReneeG.

      • DamOTclese2

        From what it looks like, Scientology handed their victims to a second facility which administered drugs, then after some 5 days that second facility returned Scientology’s victims back to Scientology’s own facilities. If I’m not mistaken it wasn’t the Scientology rooks handed it out.

        • grundoon

          Both of the facilities are Scientology framchised.

      • Barbara Angel

        In the end… and hopefully the end comes closer and closer each day… It will probably come out that Dwarfenfuror was/is taking drugs himself, just like his predecessor Ron. But this little shit is on something that makes him vicious and feel ‘invincible’ probably ICE or something? ICE makes people ‘snap’ violently, very quickly, two or three large police officers sometimes struggle to contain a 14 year old girl. It gives them incredible strength too. Well that’s what I saw on a TV program about six months ago. I’m not really sure what ICE is, some sort of methamphetamine stuff I think?

    • Roger Larsson

      The Church of Scientology is more like The Cult of $ciENDology. (I have done nothing others are to blame?

    • Lady Squash

      If someone goes to one of these Narconon facilities who actually needs to be on psych drugs, that is an accident waiting to happen. Psych drugs would not be permitted. The ignorance continues to astound.

  • GlibWog

    Oh “WE Get Your Drift ” Alright..

    Great Video Karen, J and AGP !

  • ze moo

    I don’t see how any detox or rehab can safely ban all drugs. Aspirin, Tylenol and other drugs have their use in these settings. Throw in the micas (mentally ill chemical abusers) and you have a time bomb just waiting for the right moment to go off. I don’t see how any NarCONon can pass any test for efficacy or safety. You just know (yeah,not proof for law enforcement or a court) that there is a NarCONon ‘hat’ that tells them how to suck as much insurance money out as possible. Fraud?? Double billing? Why not, who is going to catch them?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Exactly. Part of OSA’s “hat” is to snake through the country and their laws, find the weak or non existent or faulty laws, then seek out the vulnerable, groom the potential cutomers, grease whatever palms are needed to infiltrate, and then strike. There are no coincidences in scientology. Besides the lawyers and PI’s, this is another area where those donations are spent with abandon.

    • pronoia

      Excellent points. And it would be worth adding that many addicts are actually “self-treating” some sort of mental illness or mode disorder, and will need appropriate mental health care — and perhaps medication — in order to treat the addiction successfully.

      • Elen

        I wonder what the intake forms look like…

        • Miss Tia

          It’s probably the CO$ personality test…..

        • ze moo

          Question 1. How much money do you have?

          Question 2. Do you have insurance? {they can manage the fraud from here}

          Given the history and useage of the ‘purif’, you could detox from aspirin or orange juice. Profit centers are for exploitation.

          • GlibWog

            Question 3. Do you have a Grandparent that is on his/her deathbed?

    • Mooser

      As I understand it, and I think I do, when people need a medical detox, they go to a hospital which has that facility, and not all do. After the client is medically drug free (and there may still be a question of prescription drugs they need to take) they go to a residential treatment facility, for however long. A great deal also depends on whether the person has legal trouble compeling them to treatment, or is a voluntary client.

      The idea of mixing medical detox and residential treatment in the same facility is absurd. I don’t think any reputable place does it anymore. Too much, way too much liability, for one thing.

      • Poison Ivy

        Good points.

      • ze moo

        New York has regs for detox and rehabs. Yeah, we are a litigious state, but simple rules with enforcement save lives.

        http://www.oasas.ny.gov/admin/hcf/mmdreform.cfm

        • Mooser

          “New York has regs for detox and rehabs.”

          Same here, in Wa. There is a big distinction drawn between a medical detox facility, and a therapeutic community situation. Naturally the requirement s for one are much stricter than the other.

          • ze moo

            I must search the JACHO web site for their rules and regs. Most insurance companies require some sort of certification.

  • L. C. Spencer

    I feel bad for this nurse, who got addicted, put her damn life back together, and then walked straight into this trap. She wasn’t even looking for enlightenment, just a job. Good for her for being honest even when it implicated her. That’s a sign of real recovery, there.

    • joan nieman

      Thank goodness she revealed what goes on with the insurance fraud. Doesn’t any one in the cult know that “you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time”?

      • Sherbet

        Unfortunately, people are still being fooled, with narconon facilities still in business and preying on desperate people. I don’t know how many narconons are still open. Even one is too many.

        Krew13 said it: “Revolting.”

    • pronoia

      Sounds like she has been/ is working a real program — one which requires unflinching honesty.

    • Poison Ivy

      Agreed LC.

    • ReneeG

      I do not. She did not fulfill the job to the best of her abilities. She knowingly falsified records. ALL nurses know that is grounds to lose your license to practice. It shows a lack of ethics, not incompetence.

      • Espiando

        How appropriate for working with the “most ethical people on the planet”.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Absofrknglutely..

      • L. C. Spencer

        I didn’t say she was incompetent, and I agree that she behaved unethically. I think you may have missed the point of my comment.

    • DamOTclese2

      Yes, and when she took up with Scientology she started committing felonies, falsifying records, committing insurance frauds. The whole “detox” industry is probably rampant with crime, she was just doing “what they all do” seems likely.

    • sugarplumfairy

      “…She admits at one point that she and another nurse were accustomed to signing for each other, pretending that theyโ€™d done work when they really hadnโ€™t….”

      Come again? She may be admitting to things now because she’s caught and it’s all coming out anyway.. You never, never sign off something you didn’t do, even more so when it involves patient treatment.. Vital signs can change in an instant, especially during withdrawal.. She’s not honest..

    • Kim O’Brien

      um …no. These are peoples lives here …it’s not like a freaking job at say …an arts and crafts store

      • L. C. Spencer

        You misunderstand me. I count her as another Scientology victim, and she is one of the lives that was at stake in this — she could have easily become re-addicted in this environment. Yes, she got entangled in their unethical behavior, and I don’t imply that she should not be held accountable for it. But this is what Scientology does – they snap up vulnerable people who mean well, and exploit them to do their dirty work. I feel sorry for Sea Org escapees too, even if they’ve participated in the abuse that was part of their environment. There’s no indication that such people would have tried to do anything but good had they not been drawn on fraudulent pretenses into a situation where they had a great deal to lose and tremendous pressure to conform.

        She’s trying to make amends for having been part of it now, and she’s gotten out and is working somewhere presumably more honest. She did not become a Scientologist, and she did not cover up for them afterwards to cover her own ass. I give her credit for that and for staying sober and credible enough to be able to give useful testimony here.

  • AsthmaticDwarf

    The Karen, J and AGP video– excellent & informative as always: $cientology Inc.’s OSA Operative, *Miss Bloody Butt* — a snippet.

    The megalomaniac midget, Dave Miscavige, head of RTC, directing all OSA operations, devised a strategy to “handle” the Internet. Someone had leaked a $cientology communication & posted it to ARS newsgroup. Dave was going to have OSA find the leak. OSA sent an operative to someone they believed would know, T. Klemesrud.

    “… the woman excused herself to use the bathroom. When she did not return immediately, Klemesrud says he went to check on her and saw blood on the floor through the partially opened doorway. The woman had spread blood around Klemesrud’s bathroom, carpets, chairs, and bed, and police were called to the scene. According to the police report, the apartment was quiet, there were bloody jeans on the hall floor, and blood was smeared in the bathroom and on the bed.”

    Dave was going to have OSA get Klemesrud to give up the leaker. And that was one of his ways of going about it.

    “Why did the Church of Scientology take such extreme measures to obtain “-AB-“s identity?

    “Most Scientology executives are content to weld the barn door shut after the horse gets out. Not David Miscagive. Miscavige has to burn down the barn.” — Dennis Ehrlich

    • pronoia

      That has got to be one of the most puerile and depraved things I’ve ever heard.

  • Gardenia_Rose

    I’m going to try and play devil’s advocate here, because too many questions are unanswered. Just know I’m trying to take an UNBIASED look at the situation (even though I would normally be biased against scientology). I’m surprised to learn that they have a “medical detox;” although I know it might have a different meaning in a scientology based program.

    First of all, many facilities hire addicts and alcoholics “in recovery.” Typically, one has to be 2 years clean and sober. It gives them the advantage of real world experience in becoming clean and sober. I kind of felt one of the statements was taking a swipe (not meaning to) at all addicts in recovery who happen to work for reputable rehabs.

    Back to the medical detox. The word “weaning” would suggest that they are gradually being taken off heroin or benzos. Another facility would use a “substitute taper” because withdrawal from Benzodiazepines can be fatal as well as withdrawal from alcohol. Valium is used as an alcohol taper to prevent seizures; suboxone or subutex is used for opiates. So I wish the attorney would have asked exactly how he was “weaned” from substances because they may have followed an appropriate protocol for all we know. This is an unanswered question.

    Lastly, “rampant” drug use in rehab is sometimes unavoidable although using the word “rampant” is sometimes loaded and not always rampant. Newsflash: drug addicts are drug addicts. Many don’t want to be in treatment and will attempt to smuggle drugs into even the best facilities. The real question would be what procedures were in place to deal with a situation once it was known that drugs had made it past the door.

    (One thing I will say: A huge foul is allowing cologne in rehab. Hell-er! Alcohol based products should never be allowed in treatment.)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Always good to have fresh eyes on a case. I am confident this lawyer will get all the answers. As to the swipe, many here are very familiar with Narconon’s practice of enticing customers straight from graduation, even tho some are still using. Scientology has always had a broad policy and daily demand for unsustainable, destructive profit margins. Qualified, competent medical specialists are expensive. You wouldn’t think this would be an expense to cut down to the bone for this type of business, or anything that would put people’s lives in jeopardy, but That’s scientology.

    • Observer

      You might want to go up to the Bunker header and click on the Narconon tab. Reading those articles will give you a better idea of what is meant by “rampant drug use”. Part of that includes Narconon staff providing drugs to the “students”, as they call them, in exchange for sex and money.

      If you’re new here, you will find that Scientology and anything to do with it is always far worse than you think. Edit: and if you are new here, welcome!

      • Poison Ivy

        Thank you, Observer. I am greatly looking forward to your “Ron” series: “Ron, the rehab counselor.”

    • Narconon is infamous for hiring newly “clean” addicts from their program to staff, without the time interval of 2 years between getting clean and getting hired. That’s the problem, not that former addicts shouldn’t be working to help fellow addicts in a rehab facility get clean.

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        Exactly, GCL. “Peers” working to help fellow addicts is a huge help to the Recovery of the individual in treatment.

        • Mooser

          “Peers” working to help fellow addicts is a huge help to the Recovery of the individual in treatment.”

          Oh, come on, do a little research. “Peers” (newly clean addicts) used as an adjunct in groups, or telling about their experiences, yes, as staff members with medical responsibilities, no.
          That went out with Synanon and Delancey Street. It didn’t work.

          • Yes, usually places that employ people who used to be addicts usually require that they have more than the experience of getting unhooked, that they have some sort of training and certification in the field of addiction counseling. This is definitely not the case with Narconon.

            • Mooser

              Until a recovering addict has also gone out and gotten the requisite education and certification, he can’t be hired as a counsler. As a peer to talk to, yes, and perhaps there should be some renumeration for that.
              But no, being a recovering addict can’t replace whatever certification is required in your state.
              Frankly, I was shocked this took place in Michigan, so far North.

            • ze moo

              Other NarCONon’s have been caught with counselor credentials obtained by taking a test. The NarCONon ‘students’ were given the answers to the questions. Some ‘credentials’ are useless.

            • According to the Wiki, Delancy Street expanded into Los Angeles recently. I don’t know how they’ve modified their routine from when I read a book about them for a college class 30 years ago, but they seem to be active and doing well compared to the con of Narconon.

          • AsthmaticDwarf

            You, and others, Moose, are out of touch with current applications in Recovery. First – ‘newly clean’ addicts are *not* hired as Peer workers. Second- my point above was made for *real* addiction recovery services, not frauds like Narconon. Third- go here and see what you’ve missed since *way back when* @ Synanon and Delancey. It wil bring you up-to-date with treatment modalities. http://www.oasas.ny.gov/recovery/coach/index.cfm

            “Recovery Coaching is a peer-based service that is developed and provided mainly by persons who are in recovery themselves and as a result have gained knowledge on how to attain and sustain recovery, and also by those involved in the recovery initiation of others.

            Over the past ten years with the emergence of the body of knowledge around the development of Recovery Oriented Systems of Care (ROSC), and the major role that peers play in this model of service delivery, there has been increased interest in peer services.”

            One of the transformational changes that the Affordable Care Act (ACA) & Federal health care reform is bringing is an increasing focus on peer services, funding mechanisms to support peer services; and credentialing of peer services.

      • Robert Eckert

        My friend who went there was dragooned into being staff in the way you would expect: he was told insurance would cover everything, which of course it didn’t, so he “owed” them huge amounts which he could pay off by working as staff for practically nothing, making sure he didn’t have enough money to leave. After a while he rented a U-Haul and packed up his stuff anyway. They surrounded him and tried to verbally bully him into staying, and he was afraid they might physically prevent him from leaving, but that did not occur when he stayed stubborn and drove off. This is the real problem, that like all Scientology affiliates Narconon tries to break your will and enslave you. I do not know the details of the Teague case, but I bet that burning himself was a desperation move like Laura deCrescenzo swallowing some bleach, trying to make them let him go after he’d been bullied out of getting away before.

    • Poison Ivy

      Gardenia, in theory everything you say makes sense, but we’re talking about Scientology here. What you’re reading above is the tip of the iceberg. I agree with Observer; check out the Narconon links here. There is also an excellent resource, http://narcononreviews.net , where you can find more.

      To address specifically:

      1) No one is dissing addicts in recovery. IMHO the best counselors are in recovery. But we’re talking about REAL recovery. We’ve heard stories from TenOreos and CoolHand (both former Narconon execs posting here) where “students” went from rehab to staff without even leaving the facility. And if they were being treated for benzos at Narconon, it’s doubtful anyone would’ve blinked if they saw them out at a bar drinking beer after getting “clean.” Because that’s how it works in L Ron’s Addiction Expertise – once you’ve been through the purif (cleansed your body) and the TR’s (re-programmed your mind), you’ll never have a problem again. The idea of transferring freshly out of rehab kids into staff is consistent with the Scientology recruiting business model. Since those kids aren’t making you money any more from your insurance fraud and bilking their parents, you might as well have them making you money by working as (nearly free) labor.

      2) Medical Detox/Appropriate protocol: We don’t know what else is in the depo about the process of detox. I’ll bet the attorney was pretty specific. But generally in Narconons, they just take away your drugs. Period. Perhaps this Narconon, having a “real RN” on staff (a rarity, by the way!) actually did follow some protocol. Read some of the ex-patient stories to hear how other exes experienced it.

      3) “Rampant” drug use in rehab: Again, with all due respect, you really need to read more about Narconon. Read about Narconon Georgia’s “in-patient” facility – which was really just a nearby apartment building they rented, and which became practically a crack house. We’re not talking about a few addicts trying to sneak in their pills or powder, which obviously happens everywhere. We’re talking about a culture with no basis at all in addiction recovery science and 100% basis in trying to get the most money out of patients they can.

      I do hope TenOreos and CoolHand weigh in here. Gardenia_Rose, this is a can of worms you may need to open to become suitably outraged.

    • Captain Howdy

      As an ,,”ahem”..expert on the subject I can say your points are accurate.

      I was surprised also to hear they use a medical detox at all, even though i suspect that’s a fairly recent development and was implemented for legal reasons.

      The fact they sent him back to the non-medically supervised facility shows that they really didn’t know what they were doing seeing as how the withdrawal symptoms for benzos don’t really present themselves until approx. 3 days after your last intake and benzo withdrawal can last for 1-2 weeks.

      • Sherbet

        Howdy, would it be common practice for the hospital to send him home with the symptoms of benzo withdrawal? That surprised me.

        • Captain Howdy

          If you are addicted to something and you go a regular hospital they will sometimes admit you and stabilize you and ask you if you want to go to detox and if you say no they will discharge you.

          • Sherbet

            OK. Pretty sad, but I guess civil rights are an issue. The hospital can’t force you to get well if you want to be out and using again.

            • AsthmaticDwarf

              And that’s why they’ll re-admit you, over and over. I’ve seen some peeps with 14 Detox admissions in the past 12 months across my screen (on the job) and walking out of Rehab happens constantly, in large numbers. It’s a civil rights issue, Sherbet with a cost component to the American taxpayer.

              That’s why all behavioral health (substance use disorder and mental health disorder) admissions (Medicaid) in New York State, as of 01 January 2015, are going ‘managed care.’ To attempt to: improve outcomes for individuals with better aftercare services (outpatient service providers), and to cut $5 billion per year in the state budget 2015-2019.

          • AsthmaticDwarf

            And that’s why they’ll re-admit you, over and over. I’ve seen some peeps with 14 Detox admissions in the past 12 months across my screen (on the job) and walking out of Rehab happens constantly, in large numbers. It’s a civil rights issue, yes, as Sherbet noted, but with a cost component to the American taxpayer.

            That’s why all behavioral health (substance use disorder and mental health disorder) admissions (Medicaid) in New York State, as of 01 January 2015, are going ‘managed care.’ To attempt to: improve outcomes for individuals with better aftercare services (outpatient service providers), and to cut $5 billion per year in the state budget 2015-2019.

      • stillgrace2

        Thanks for your insights on this. I was curious and Hearsayed “benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome” and I found the long-term seriousness of the symptoms very frightening.

        I was especially struck by the failure of the recovery process from this syndrome to follow any kind of a predictable timeline … no guarantee of “day by day getter a little bit better”. Apparently symptoms can recur very dramatically and without warning after the patient has been doing well for a long time. I think the perpetrators of the Narconon scam are in way over their heads on this one.

        I learn something new every day hanging out here in the bunker.

        • Captain Howdy

          I went to detox in 2008 for booze and a mild benzo habit and after 3 days I started feeling better because the booze was mostly out of my system so I signed myself out AMA (against medical advice). The next day I started feeling lousy again because the benzo withdrawal was just starting to kick in. I couldn’t sleep for a week and I had to start drinking again to take the edge off. Most dangerous detox is booze or benzos. The worst, most unpleasant detox is benzos or methadone.

          • Although it’s not that common these days, barbiturate withdrawal can cause seizures and even be fatal if not managed properly.

            • Captain Howdy

              I haven’t seen a seconal, tuinal or a nembutal in at least 25 years or about the last time I saw a black beauty or a lude.

              Black Sabbath, Barbs & Beer. That was the classic 70’s recipe for disaster.

            • “Who put the Nembutals in Mr Murphys’ Overalls?”

            • Captain Howdy

              “Who put the Benzedrine, in Mrs. Murphy’s Ovaltine?”

          • SLIM

            This account is 100% correct….
            Benzo addiction withdrawal can last longer than most other addictions…
            Heroin addiction is a cakewalk compared….{Not at all pleasant but easier]
            Although opiate addiction [from taking pills] can last longer..

          • Gardenia_Rose

            Mild benzo detox 1-2 weeks. A seasoned benzo user will take months to fully detox. Maybe 8-ish months? With post acute withdrawal, a person will have nagging symptoms like restless legs, anxiety, insomnia, etc. I hear phrases like: “I feel like I’m crawling out of my skin.” Note to self: never take Klonopin. Sounds so harmless when the doc prescribes it until you want to quit.

            Captain Howdy- do you mind me asking where you went to treatment?

            • Gardenia_Rose

              Nah- nevermind Captain- you don’t have to answer that. I’ll refrain from personal questions- mainly because I wouldn’t want to start answering any as well.

  • whenpigsswim

    Somehow I had missed the story of “Miss Bloody” so I just went back to read about it. Sick, sick, sick. But great video as always Karen and Angry Gay Pope. So many good people getting the story out.

    • Poison Ivy

      When I first heard of this story a couple years ago, I thought it was satire. Until I got into the details.
      Only Scientology could dream up such an outrageous and evil plan, and only Scientology could screw it up so completely.

      • whenpigsswim

        Honestly, if only they had put all that energy and effort to doing good in the world instead.

        • Elen

          The sad thing is that most go in thinking they will be doing exactly that!

          • whenpigsswim

            You are right. I should have said David MisCavige instead of ‘they’.!

            • ThetaBara

              Don’t forget that LRH designed the entire scam. You can’t blame it all on teh Cabbage.

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        (copy-edit suggested): Only Dave Miscavige running $cientology could dream up such an outrageous and evil plan, and only $cientology as run by Dave Miscavige could screw it up so completely.

        • Robert Eckert

          I disagree. L Ron was perfectly capable of dreaming up outrageous and evil plans, and screwing them up completely.

          • Poison Ivy

            Agreed. Ron’s foot bullets were many – it’s just that in Ron’s day, no one could seriously believe that a “church” would do the horrendous things Scientology does. Because what Ron and Mary Sue’s GO did was so extreme and diabolical, people and law enforcement were simply incredulous. They thought Paulette Cooper was mad when she tried to tell the authorities that Scientology was trying to frame her. It was “the big lie” in classic form.

            • Verve

              I 2nd Ivy’s agree- the internet has been a huge boost/help for proper information dissemination about $ci evil. When folks say “information wants to be free,” $cilons scream, “Noooooo!” (For more than one reason.)

          • AsthmaticDwarf

            Natch, RE– but Lafayette H has been dead more than a quarter of a century. The comment was for the now, now.

    • Jo

      Just finished reading it too, really weird and scary.

  • dwayners13 .

    Having spent the better part of two decades working with adolescents/young adults, many of which were struggling with substance abuse issues &/or mental health disorders, it’s stories like this really fuel my desire to expose the way in which Scientology (via Narconon) exploits these people for profit. For anyone doubting the level of depravity of Scientology, they need to look no further then to the practices of Narconon to truly grasp the depths of their greed, indifference & utter disregard for their fellow ‘thetans’. When they see parents who are extremely desperate to help their child overcome their addiction & the underlying cause(s) of it, they only see the “profit potential” of unconditional love & desperation.
    Make no mistake about it, people coping with drug/alcohol addiction are sick, vulnerable & extremely desperate for help. While a large portion of teenagers/young adults start using drugs for a variety of reasons, many of them continue to do so because of underlying mental health issues &/or traumatic events they have experienced throughout their young lives. These individuals turn to drug use as a way of “self-medicating”, whereby they gravitate to a particular drug(s) as it provides some relief from whatever it is that they are struggling with. This is why many clinicians often view substance abuse a symptom of a much larger problem, rather than a “stand alone” issue.
    Scientology is so centred on money & new members, the individual’s true needs are not a concern. Their primary motivation is not to address the real issue, because this would mean catering to a individual & that cost money. The knowingly use a one size fits all model, that is extremely cheap, low maintenance & the effects if any are short lived. If any other organization treated another serious, potentially fatal health issue this way, specifically, using deceptive practices to lure people in, only to use a treatment protocol with no evidence of it’s benefits, yet plenty of evidence of it’s potential danger to the patient, their doors would be closed, both in their centre & jail cell.

    • pronoia

      Thank you — that really needed to be said, and you said it very well. Subjecting people struggling with addiction and substance abuse to “treatment” without a mental health component is incredibly cruel.

    • Verve

      Yeah, this is really scary. As a recovering alcoholic that started around 18 years of age, I can only imagine what kind of mind games I would have been susceptible to back then. After 15 years of battling it, I may have succumbed to a Narconon facility if I ran into it. Thank God for my parents and later on my wife for not letting me fall into any of those places. It was hard enough to clean up without all the extra BS going on there. Coming from that dark place, it angers me greatly that these vulnerable people are prayed upon. Being a never-in, I can’t really understand $ci that well, but I can understand what these addicted people went through. And Little Boots had better never run into me.

      • Barbara Angel

        Agreed big time. Can’t help thinking tho’ of all those people he assaulted and still assaults… If maybe one or two had have given him a serious Belting back, he may have stopped that little hobby. Bullies are basically cowards, but unfortunately he is surrounded by enablers. Sigh….

        • joan nieman

          He will get his due in the Big House Barb.

          • Barbara Angel

            I just hope his future cell mate Bubba, likes chocolate cha-cha and davey becomes Bubbba’s wife in the big house. Couldn’t happen to a nicer person, davey will have no control over Bubba’s violent rages. lol

    • Graham

      “They only see the “profit potential” of unconditional love & desperation.”

      How true. How tragically true.

      • Barbara Angel

        And how tragically sad for the victims. Lest we forget.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks to Graham, I zeroed in on the statement, “They only see the “profit potential” of unconditional love & desperation.” I’ve included it in the THINGS SAID ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY list at http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/
      That really does sum up the predatory nature of $cientology.

    • ThetaBara

      You can’t go curing people – why would they keep paying?!

    • juanita solomon

      you’re absolutely correct im to am a former addict and a substance abuse counselor and the stories i have read about lyingtologies treatment of those seeking recovery and help from their addictions makes my blood boil. but everything done in the dark soon comes to light. and im sure those at cos are finding that out the hard way. much the same the families they destroyed have found out. the truth about cos

    • Barbara Angel

      Yep, the whole thing is a money making Scam. Moneeee is his God and he can never have enough. Dwarfenfuror is one sick puppy.

  • ScnMonkeyNuts

    โ€œNarconon Freedom Center and A Forever Recovery rely exclusively on the written โ€œtechnologyโ€ (writings) of L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Church of Scientology, to address the drug and alcohol rehabilitation needs of students enrolled in Narconon programs, even though Hubbard had no training or education in drug and alcohol rehabilitation.โ€

    Sorry about the chunk of quote, but implying that moRon Hubbard had training or education in anything apart from pulling bs out his ass I find offensive.

    • Mooser

      “but implying that moRon Hubbard had training or education in anything apart from pulling bs out his ass I find offensive.”

      What I find hard to belive is that he did it by himself.

      • He took a lot of “Dianetics” and “Scientology” beliefs from other sources, Xenu and body thetans being examples of the few concepts he invented all by his lonesome. The following link documents some of those sources:

        http://www.lermanet.com/sources.htm

        • Mooser

          No, not that Chutney. Usually somebody like Hubbard or MissScavenge have lieutenants, a staff.

          • Mary Sue helped him by taking the rap for what was essentially his crime, and tyrants never have trouble having lickspittles, bullies, those who need to exercise power over others, fools, etc., to help them carry out their plans. Mary Sue went to prison for LRHs’ sake, and, of course, as in this case, loyalty is always a one-way street. This dynamic takes place all the time in families, and certain small organizations, where the white sheep are the ones who don’t question what goes on, and the black sheep are the ones who speak their minds and tell the truth about what they observe going on.

            The long-term problem is that the head Xenut is running the enterprise into the ground with such a staff, and he’s unable to change his spots. If I were running the NSA, aside from terrorists and violent criminals, I would track where the Xenut is located, physically, every day. He might decide to declare that there is so much pressure against him from the Psychs and other imagined enemies that he has to flee in order to retain the integrity of his meat suit and his work in clearing the planet from an ‘undisclosed location’. That’s when the sh*t will hit the fan.

            • Moorwalker

              While it’s true that Mary Sue took the rap for Ron, don’t underestimate her involvement. And the truth is that she didn’t get nearly the length of sentence she deserved for her part in Operation Snow White and others..

            • AsthmaticDwarf

              Madame Hubbard was a stellar administrator of the thousands and thousands of things needing control and oversight in an operation as big as Snow White. Her talent was in handling the detail; Lafayette’s, in snake oil salesmanship. Her culpability in Snow White, and dozens of other felonious criminal operations, over her life in GO, is immense.

            • Yes, she wasn’t just a patsy, but she was an active perp as well.

            • ThetaBara

              Mary Sue had a life of relatively luxurious seclusion in a very nice house once she got out of the slammer, and they even maintained her place for many years after her death so that her dog could continue to live there with the lifestyle to which it was accustomed. She got off a lot easier than most sea org ever will.

            • Yes, the Sea Org loyalty only runs up to the top up from the bottom, not from the top down to the bottom. She was the exception to the rule in Scientology.

  • Minion Gayle

    Is anyone else starting to think that Tony is messing with us when it comes to the names of these attorneys?

    Ray Jeffreys
    Jeff Ray
    Lamont Jefferson

    • Poison Ivy

      In a past life 75 million years ago on another planet in another solar system, there was an evil warlord by the name of Jeff….

      • Minion Gayle

        …who shared power with his brother, Ray. Both of them fought beside their father, Xenu.

        • Poison Ivy

          I see a new OT level in COB’s future….

          • Missionary Kid

            Yes. OTJAIL

      • jeff

        Hey, I’m not evil…

        • Minion Gayle

          That’s what all the Jeffs say.

      • Missionary Kid

        Snickersnort.

      • Artoo45

        Everyone knows Xenu’s partner’s name is Tod.

      • Moorwalker

        All Marcabians are named “Jeff.”

    • Verve

      I remember reading a previous story where Tony pointed out all the “Jeffs” popping up. He said something funny along the lines of “Jeff” being the enemy of Xenu or something like that (like Ivy said below).

    • Mooser

      If I am not mistaken, the names of the attorneys involved in the cases is public record.

    • Robert Eckert

      We need to get Jay Renfrew on the case.

      • Minion Gayle

        LMAO! Can they start a band when this is all over?

    • RMycroft

      Scientology: Our foes are twelve mutts named Jeff.

      • Missionary Kid

        That went on my list of things said about $cientology. Thanks. I put it in as
        Scientology says, “Our foes are a bunch of mutts named Jeff.”

    • May_West

      No. The lawyers having mirror image names is a psych conspiracy designed to confuse thetan brain cells. Lay off Tony. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Minion Gayle

        Doesn’t Tony work for the psychs? I know I’m still getting my monthly check from them.

        • DamOTclese2

          Prozac and avocados for everyone!

          • Minion Gayle

            Wait, you’re getting avocados? Now I feel cheated.

      • Robert Eckert

        It’s conversational hypnosis: see Jeff Hawkins (heh heh) talking about that in a recent post. We’re just trying to introduce confusion, make them feel “spinny” and blank, so they will be open to the suggestions of our “stable data”.

        • Once_Born

          “We’re just trying to introduce confusion […]”

          I have been approached on the street, once or twice, by a Scientologist. The last time, before the man could start his patter, I said, “No thanks, I had a big red one once, and all the wheels came off”.

          To this day, I don’t know where this phrase came from, but it worked really well. We stood there for about ten seconds while he tried (and failed) to think of something to say, then I walked off.

          To be honest, I am sceptical about explanations which propose hypnotism as an explanation for the influence Scientology has over believers. I prefer theories of social influence. However, I can testify that introducing confusion is great fun.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’d say the $cion probably didn’t know what you were talking about, and wouldn’t admit it, hubris and arrogance towards wogs being a part of their training.

            • Once_Born

              I didn’t know what I was talking about… but I take your point.

            • Missionary Kid

              I thought your reply was hilarious and inventive. I imagine you could probably envision the wheels turning in their head while they were trying to process your answer.

              I would love to have been there, but since I couldn’t, thanks for your story.

            • Once_Born

              I did wonder, shortly afterwards, if he described this experience when he got back to the org and, if he did, how they rationalised my behaviour.

              Were my words circulated as an example of the insanity rampant in the wog world? Was I condemned as an SP engaged in subtle enturbulation?

              Or did he just tell them, “I ran into a mad bloke today who took the p*** before I could even say anything.”

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m wondering, too. All of those outcomes are delicious.

            • Cat Daddy
            • Cat Daddy

              โ€œThere are various states of mind which
              bring about happiness. That state of mind which insists only upon
              freedom can bring about nothing but unhappiness. It would be better to
              develop a thought pattern which looked for new ways to be entrapped and
              things to be trapped in, than to suffer the eventual total entrapment of
              dwelling upon freedom only.โ€

              โ€” Professional Auditorโ€™s Bulletin 84, 15 May 1956, โ€œThe Reason Why,โ€ by L. Ron Hubbard

              This version is printed in Volume 3 of the Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology, ยฉ 1991

              http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/total-freedom.html

            • Once_Born

              That is a lot of interesting posts, which deserve a reply.

              1) We are on the same side. Scientology is, indeed, an abusive cult which uses many techniques to establish compliance and belief in its victims. This includes ‘Hypnotic’ techniques. All I am saying here is ‘hypnotism’ is not a complete explanation for their extraordinary power over people.

              2) Suggestion/hypnotism is heavily used in one-on-one sessions to manufacture an experience which promotes compliance. No argument there.

              The point is that most exes seem to report that the ‘wins’ they experience as a result of suggestion/hypnotism process of auditing don’t last long. For this process to strongly influence a persons long-term behaviour it has to be constantly repeated.

              Therefore, hypnotism alone does not explain why Scientologists who are not regularly audited (or are audited as a form of punishment – e.g. ‘Sec Checks) remain comitted.

              3) Neuro-linguistic Progamming (NLP), which one of the video relies heavily upon, is, I’m afraid , something of a pseudo-science itself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming.

              4) It seems pretty much accepted here that Hubbard was a charlatan, and that his {lectures} are without value. Consequently, I don’t see how posting Hubbard’s opinions about hypnotism establish that he actually knew much about it. Sorry, but that’s cherry-picking the evidence.

              I think that the other forms of manipulation used by Scientology include the use of social influence, which can be incredibly powerful in a closed social environment. Particularly revevant is the work of Philip Zimbardo. His ‘Stanford Prison Experiment’ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_study in particular, is astonishingly relevant to life in the Sea Org.

              Finally, I’m glad we are in the real world, where exchanges like this

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          • ThetaBara

            I used to pull shit like that on telemarketers all the time, back when telemarketers still existed. It works quite well.

            I was with you until you said it wasn’t hypnotism. IMO it totally is – and hypnotism and psychological suggestion are closely related. LRH himself was considered a very skilled hypnotist. Did you see the post from yesterday that described conversational hypnotism? It isn’t all trance states. I see this sort of thing all the time in hard-sell people (including car salesmen and the modern-day “anarchists” who I think are largely plants anyway).

            • Once_Born

              “I was with you until you said it wasn’t hypnotism”

              I think we can meet half-way here.

              There are aspects of Scientology practice (like the endless repetition used in ‘TRs’ (and especially the hours-long staring contests) which induce a suggestible state which is an effective aid to psychological manipulation. They certainly do use “[…] psychological suggestion”.

              I suppose I recoil from the idea that the sort of stage hypnotism that Hubbard is supposed to have used somehow explains the power that the organisation he left behind exerts over its members (and when you use the term “hypnotism”, the stage version is what a lot of people think of).

              Hypnotism of this sort is very one-on-one, and not very effective in persuading you to do something which goes against your nature. Since manipulating good people into doing cruel things is something that the Sea Org seems to be very good at, ‘hypnotism’ of this sort is, a poor explanation.

              Suggestion is certainly exploited by the CofS – but the the psychological ‘heavy lifting’ is achieved by peer pressure, social isolation, sleep deprivation, poor nutrition &c. &c.

            • Poison Ivy

              Hubbard really did understand two things – 1) How to spin a story out of thin air 2) How to manipulate people.
              The techniques, levels and channels of manipulation in Scientology are myriad. I think they range from downright hypnotism (the TRS’s); to behavioralism (intermittent reinforcement – the unpredictable praise/punishment cycle); to social influence (shunning, shaming, disconnection, status); to whatever you’d call that “emperor’s new clothes” phenomenon of the power of suggestion. Plus early experiences of auditing, which I’ll risk saying “works” in the beginning in the way that standard psychology/psychiatry/talk therapy/abreaction therapy works and makes someone with a problem feel “released” and understood when they finally talk about something they’ve been keeping inside for a long time. So many more layers to it – my interest and study of this stuff is only hobby level.
              But LRH used every trick in the book and then some, then layered them in such a way to make their power to suck you in and keep you get stronger and stronger the deeper in you went.

            • Once_Born

              Scientology is, indeed, a living case study in human manipulation that will keep psychologists, social psychologists and sociologists entertained for years. It’s a pity that the organisations reputation has scared them off, over the years.

              The only part of your post that I differ begins with “[…] LRH used every trick in the book”. I doubt that Hubbard consciously and deliberately make the CofS that way.

              He was an academic failure whose {discoveries} were plagiarised from popular accounts of science and psychology that he obviously did not understand (or had even bothered reading all the way through.

              I think he was good at manipulating small groups of people. The industrial-scale manipulation practised by the CofS spontaneously emerged and developed as the organisation grew. The fact that is so deceptive and pitiless is a reflection of the paranoid and pitiless personality who called the shots.

              To suggest that Hubbard was capable of understanding how all the techniques you list work, let alone incorporating them into an transnational organisation, gives him too much credit.

            • ze moo

              Lroon had 30 years to put the scam together. He did rather well in most areas of cult construction. Until he and Miscavige knocked out the mission holders and centralized most of the profits, clamatology was doing all right. By killing off the financial incentives that brought people in the door, Lroon and DM killed the golden goose.

              Just a marketing mistake. Not on par with ‘classic coke’, but just a marketing mistake after all. The coercive stuff was used lightly until Lroon shit the bed. Now it is the only thing DM can use to keep the clams in line.

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          • Robert Eckert

            In response to a bull-baiter saying “I’m going to have to ask you to leave”, reply “I’m going to have to ask YOU to leave”. This causes hilarious levels of flummox.

            • Moorwalker

              So often bullbaiters are the easiest people in the world to bullbait.

          • Poison Ivy

            BRILLIANT!

          • grundoon

            10 second comm lag while he tries to figure out your tone level and what would be one-and-a-half points up from that.

      • DamOTclese2

        Exactly! EXACTLY! It’s the Marcabian invasion fleet from Kolob, I tell ya! All these Rays are an infestation! Now we need a technology that can scrape them off… Humm… wonder where we can find that.

    • DamOTclese2

      It’s all part of the psych conspiracy, Minion! Chemtrails! CHEMTRAILS!

  • Poison Ivy

    “For reasons that will become obvious, weโ€™re only going to refer to this woman as Nurse Jackie.”

    Tony, your dry sense of humor can make even the most horrendous story go down with a spoonful of sugar. Thank you!

    Apparently, Nurse Jackie went off the reservation. I’m guessing she wasn’t “of the faith”? Is that normal a Narconon hiring a Wog to such a responsible position? Will Per Wickstrom take some heat for that?

    As for TomKat – Come on, y’all – we raised over $40,000 for the Headleys! I know they are family and that was a really dire and important situation, but TomKat Project has its own real value. It could make a real mark and get some good ink if it’s in LA. Despite a current state of personal broke-ness, I increased my pledge yesterday. If a mysterious relative I never met leaves me in his/her will in the next few days, I’ll do it again. They need fewer than $8000 to go – 100 people pledging ten bucks each? The Bunker can pull that off, right? Straight up and vertical, team! We can make it go right! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1943035967/the-tomkat-project-la-debut?ref=live

    (Can you imagine how Theta I’d have been if I’d ever been a Scientologist? I’d have been shilling for the Freewinds for sure!)

    • ReneeG

      It’s not easy nowadays to find a Director of Nursing for such a scummy type facility. DONs take a lot of personal responsibilty and the pay isn’t usually commensurate with the headache. You can make more money doing other types of nursing.

    • Interested

      I have been to donate but they want my name. Do I give the real one or the one I use for discus?

      • Missionary Kid

        Go ahead and use your real name. Amazon will need that to bill you. If you’re donating at the level where your name will be published, you can probably ask that your name not be published, but in any event, you could just be a fan of Tom or Katie or someone who’s interested in Hollywood gossip. It will be difficult for them to connect what you’ve posted here in the Bunker with your donation.

        • Interested

          Thank you.

          • Missionary Kid

            You’ll get a thank-you email. Answering that, you can request that your name be left off if you give enough to have your name published.

            I also posted their reply to me elsewhere today.

      • Missionary Kid

        See my post about leaving your name off.

    • SandiCorrena

      I made a donation last week and if I was working I’d make another one for sure! I need to win the lottery so I could just fund it and treat us bunker cousins to tickets to see it too!

      • Poison Ivy

        That would be fun. We could charter John Travolta’s private jet and use it like a school bus, picking up everyone from his or her respective hideout. Get a block of rooms at the Roosevelt. Then on to Hollywood Boulevard!

    • Moorwalker

      You’re a born reg, PI ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Barbara Angel

      Not sure if I want to hold Katie Holmes up to ridicule tho’, she was smart enough to run……. As for her shit head ex-husband and his man wife Dwarfenfuror, go for it. But not Katie

  • Peter C Hoffman

    Fun story: I did the Purification Rundown 3x in a Church of Scientology. Once, they ran out of sea salt tablets and replaced them with capsules filled with table salt. I didn’t receive instructions on them and took the same dosages as I usually did (3 at a time) and ended up puking salt and blood. They didn’t apologize but admitted what happened.

    The point is all of their “standard” techniques are L. Ron Hubbard developed and none of the ideas have origins from those educated in medicine. So, more people will die, get sick, be abused and be fleeced of money.

    • RMycroft

      Co-contributor to Clear Body, Clear Mind, Dr. David Root MD has a lot to answer for too. Hubbard was a crackpot loon, but Dr Root should have known better.

      • Unfortunately, history is littered with Doctors and people with advanced degrees who lent their prestige to all forms of quackery. Look at cold fusion, it keeps being discussed and researched although nobody has a coherent scientific theory on how it would work given our current understanding of matter, energy, and quantum physics.

        • Verve

          To be fair, if we didn’t research anything that we didn’t presently understand, I think we would have stalled at fire 10000 years ago. Just because 2 guys faked some results doesn’t mean it can’t work at all, it just means that it may not work at all or we haven’t figured it out yet. Marie Curie paid a high price figuring out radiation.

          • You need a hypothesis to test before you do research in the first place. All that cold fusion needs is a single successful experiment that can be replicated, along with a coherent hypothesis or explanation of the results of said experiment.

            • Verve

              I won’t disagree with you there. I’m a mere electrical engineer/IT guy, not a fusion dude, so I kind of wing in the advanced physics area.

  • Karen de la Carriere

    Since the 1960s when the British Government
    implemented a ban on Scientologists entering the United Kingdom,
    Government after Government in the world has investigated the darker
    side of Scientology Inc dirty deeds. By this is meant the spying the
    espionage, the infiltration, the malicious retaliation against any
    critic, whistleblower or writer/journalist or media person that exposes
    the *Church*. Not for one day did the *Church* mend its ways. Each
    decade got worse. And each decade its repute got worse as the Internet,
    Google and YouTube exploded on story after story of what depths of
    illegal activity Scientology Inc will engage in to protect its survival.

    Some of the dirty deeds using dirty PIs included tampering
    with a car of someone who opposed Scientology that could have led to a
    car crash and death. This occurred more than a few times.
    Scientology
    Inc could not, would not survive without their 5000 Sea Org slaves who
    work 100 hour weeks for $25 to $50 a week, often less.

    Scientology Inc is firewalled with its 250 Office of Special
    Affairs International. that does its Legal, intelligence and PR. These
    are all highly trusted *Sea org Members* who signed a *Religious*
    commitment for 1 billion years and now engage and endorse in criminal
    acts daily and, at best turn a blind eye to condone them. What
    happened to a normal person to be able to morph intoa vicious OSA thug ?

    Linda Hamel is the “Commanding Officer” of OSA INT. She never
    hits the skids, she never hits the Rehabilitation Project force, she is
    a David Miscavige *PET.* And guess what ? She was the head Programs
    Operator of “Snow White.” The most notorious Guardian’s Office program
    of spying, stealing and infiltrating the US Government.

    Here’s what these 5000 Sea Org Members don’t get. They are in a CULT. Cult definitions: (American Family Foundation).

    The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display
    excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.

    The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

    The group is preoccupied with making money.

    Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

    Mind-numbing techniques (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in
    tongues, denunciation sessions, debilitating work routines) are used to
    suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).

    The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should
    think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to
    date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what types of clothes to
    wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth).

    The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself,
    its leader(s), and members (for example: the leader is considered the Messiah
    or an avatar; the group and/or the leader has a special mission to save
    humanity).

    The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes
    conflict with the wider society.

    The group’s leader is not accountable to any authorities (as are,
    for example, military commanders and ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of
    mainstream denominations).

    The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends
    justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the
    group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities).

    The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control
    them.

    Members’ subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with
    family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of
    interest before joining the group.

    Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the
    group.

    Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only
    with other group members.

    And finally, I am reminded of
    the hired Church Lawyer on his grand stationary writing to Vanity Fair
    the following only a couple of years ago (to block the story of Sea org
    and RTC pimping for Tom Cruise new sex kitten~~) The Church never did
    sue, all hot air….

    Mr. Miscavige is the leader of a dynamic global religion expanding across five continents. His duties are herculean and accomplishments monumental.

    Good Grief.

    • Poison Ivy

      Thanks for all you do, Karen. I hope to shake your hand one day. Scratch that. I hope to give you a huge hug one day and tell you how sorry I am about Alexander and all you’ve been through, and then hug you again because Scientology has been vanquished and we can all come out in the open and celebrate!

      • Interested

        Hey, me too. I’d fly over from good ol England for that party. -:))

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Here here!

          • Robert Eckert

            The saying is “Hear, hear!”

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Thank you ๐Ÿ™‚ (knew something didn’t look right)

      • Rita Gregory

        Right there with you PI!

    • Snippy_X

      Scientology fits every single item on the cult checklist! There should be NO doubt about that!

    • Cat Daddy

      “His duties are herculean -for such a puny being- and accomplishments monumental -failures-

      FIFY

    • thatssotheta

      I love when you stop by the bunker Karen, it’s always wonderful to have your insight. Not to mention your videos are awesome! I think you’re a real hoot! You’re definitely on my top 10 list of people I’d love to grab a cocktail with and listen to your stories for hours. Keep up the good work!!

    • Moorwalker

      Karen, thank you so much for what you do.

    • joan nieman

      Karen, this was spectacular and if any one knows the mind set of the cult, you do. I enjoy your videos as it is a good and fun way to teach people what is really going on. Many thanks!

    • Madora Pennington

      Thanks, Karen, for exposing what you know. The days are numbered for this cult, and we need laws to differentiate cults from legitimate religions/charities/spiritual paths. Cults are a public health hazard.

    • Rita Gregory

      Very informative post. Thank you Karen, for everything you do to expose them.

    • RMycroft
    • Barbara Angel

      WOW perfectly put in a nut shell. Now to post this to every Media outlet worldwide. Surely they would want to pick this up, you’ve done all the hard work summarizing for them beautifully. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to do this. The last part about “Mr M” is laughable…

      If only the media knew the really Dwarfenfuror, the closet psychopath. Rupert Murdoch is a media Baron, owns numerous newspapers world wide and he is NO fan of $cos, he’s loaded and IF he gave the go ahead? His worldwide reach could do a lot to bring down Dwarfenfuror and his gang.

      • joan nieman

        Good info on what Nurse Jackie testified. This is undoubtedly a positive for revealing the scam of Narconon and it’s affiliates.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Great summary Karen!

      There are some legal positives, the great pro bono attorneys who defended Bonnie Woods, and the California firm that pro bono helped Dennis Erlich!

      There are all the great lawyers like Ford Greene, Luke Liriot, Ken Dander and others who took up the good fight. Graham Berry!

      I hate seeing the money grubbing lawyers soaking up Scientology’s ill begotten money, to me that is a permanent mark of shame that those high paid lawyers ought be forever shamed for taking that money!

      If someone really thinks Scientology is so innocent, then I’d like to seek pro bono attorneys help Scientology!

      There are a hell of lot more higher principled attorneys who took no money and helped clients abused by Scientology, than have considered Scientology’s fights honorable.

      It’s money, and it’s dirty money, in my mind, that pays the shameful firms that fight for Scientology’s irreligious immoral tactics that are “legal” and supposedly “religious” rights.

      I say those lawyers ought NOT charge Scientology a dime, and see how many lawyers go choose to defend Office of Special Affairs and David Miscavige for their irreligious behavior!

    • joan nieman

      Excellent summary Karen. Thank you so much for your continuing contribution. I enjoy your videos immensely and watch them all!

  • Sherbet

    Did I miss it? Is there a date set for this case, or are they in the deposition/evidence-gathering phase?

    • Robert Eckert

      I am sure there are more depositions to be taken and other evidence discovery, before this gets a trial date.

      • Sherbet

        Thanks, RE.

  • AnyOldName1

    When I clicked on the video – got a message it was “removed by the user”? Is it my system?

    • Graham

      It was working before, but yes- I’m getting that message too now.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Me too..

  • sugarplumfairy

    Frking idiots!! This makes me sooooo angry!! per wickstrom and the rest of the bottom feeders need to be held accountable.. You don’t wean someone off psychotropic meds in 5 days.. Aaaaggghhh!

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Narconon Freedom paid a visit to Teague at home after he left the hospital and convinced him to come back. That sounds very similar to a fundraising visit done by the church. Did Narconon visit any other patient that left that left their program? What is clear is Narconon is a cash cow for the church, and they “milk” the insurers and patients for all they are worth. (Excuse the pun.). The pressure by Miscavige on Narconon now to bring in money must be very intense. The many lawsuits, the GA investigation, and the GA shutdown, must have really cut into income. What a nasty picture: Narconon convinces a person, who had just escaped death, to come back and eventually die under the “care” of a Narconon referral…….

    • May_West

      Yes, why was narconon freedom dropped? It seems like they are in this up to their eyeballs.

    • Poison Ivy

      Reminiscent of a Blow Drill procedure.

  • Rob Kline

    The video seems to have disappeared.

  • Observer

    NarCONon basically boils down to just more of this.

    • Captain Howdy

      My favorita.

    • AsthmaticDwarf

      There’s the basic basic of Lafayette Ronald Hubbard.

      Thanks Obs!!! ~

  • DamOTclese2

    Drug dealing and usage is rampant at Scientology’s NarCONon offices, so much so that there have been endless series of arrests of people going to and coming from Scientology’s offices, often due to complaints by neighbors who observe the dealing and phone it in.

    The NarCONon IS Scientology web site used to get updated every time some new crime took place involving Scientology’s NarCONon fraud, but things got so numerous and pointless to enumerate that I stopped adding things. Still, if anybody is not fully up on what Scientology does with their NarCONon fraud, you might check it out, specifically get a good look at Bowdon Georgia and how the Carrollton Star News exposed Scientology worked with a.r.s to expose the crooks and get them thrown out of town.

    That series also shows how the assholes! tried to hijack a legitimate “black clergy” organization to try to lend their NarCONon fake front stolen legitimacy, an act that made the people of the “black clergy” organization angry enough to order the asshole Scientology crooks to stop it.

    Scientology really is far worse than people first realize.

    • DamOTclese2

      Also you can see how NarCONon customers are permitted to wander around outside in a daze, totally unsupervised some times, enough so that emergency room ambulances are dispatched due to 911 telephone calls of Scientology’s “patients” unresponsive, walking along roads in various states of undress, some times sporting visible injuries.

  • Collin

    Damn! i wanted to watch the video from karen and its been removed….wahhhhhhhh anyone else getting this message?

    • sugarplumfairy

      See below.. Mark posted a link that still works..

  • Mark

    Clever of Karen & Co. to slip the ‘Miss Bloody-Butt’ incident into exposing Co$’s continuing misuse of shyster lawyers. Just what is it with Rear Admiral Shortarse and bottoms? (there was his incoherent legal testimony about “public buggery” back in 1997 too).

    Probably needs a dose of this [N.B. “Farmers” is rhyming slang “Farmer Giles”]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggeUCMvY0eA

    • Mooser

      Cabinet of Caligari very interesting. And, I guess, relevant. Thanks.

    • Espiando

      The problem being that we in the US don’t use “piles” to describe the inflammation of hemorrhoidal tissues. In fact, we use “the inflammation of hemorrhoidal tissues” in our commercials for My Ass Is Burning And Itching Cream.

      • Mark

        We also use “Chalfonts”, “Nuremburgs” and for a change “Sigmunds” in the UK. But you used to be more direct:

      • Jo

        This is a bit gross but in Ireland it is also known as arse grapes.

      • Captain Howdy

        I remember back in ’76 John Lydon said in an interview he use to get piles so bad he would have to cut them off with a razor blade and I was “WTF are piles?”

    • Missionary Kid

      Rear Admiral Shortarse and bottoms ended up in my collection of DM nicknames. There’s now 335 of them.

      • Mark

        ‘Rear Admiral’ was used of Miss Carriage in many of the original posts about his weird 1997 witness-box rant, so I can’t claim it as original ;(

    • ThetaBara

      Hey Mark, do you have a shoop archive?
      I’m looking for more images to use for raids.

      • Mark

        Not yet. I’ll have to do something about it, now you’ve asked…

        • ThetaBara

          Right on! Thanks!

  • ze moo

    I don’t want to derail the train of thought here, but LA county sheriff Lee Baca may have to pay a former prisoner 100k from his own pocket.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-baca-abuse-federal-jury-20131018,0,4305880.story

    • Verve

      Is this the guy that keeps showing up in $ci photos?

      • ThetaBara

        Does he look like this?

        • ThetaBara

          (The little pocket elf)

        • Verve

          I think so, but oldish white guy with no hair isn’t exactly a very distinguishing profile. I’ll have to look back on some of the older posts, I think around when the “Shelly missing person” thing was going on.

    • Miss Tia

      YEAH!!! Let’s celebrate that as a ‘win’! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Poison Ivy

      Considering that’s probably Baca Crime Number #8457 since he took office (and one of the only one’s he’s been punished for), at least it’s a start…

      • DamOTclese2

        That has been strange, hasn’t it? Baca’s ties to organized crime and no DA’s office seems to care more beyond suggesting to him that his ties/activities to Scientology are against the department’s rules. Amazing. Baca needs to get a cell in with David. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Joe Darks

    the video link is broken Tony

  • ThetaBara

    Video is down. DQ is still barfing all over my tabby (it’s defo DQ as it looks fine until I go to a post with comments). Now what am I supposed to read on the loo? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Jo

      Lol, had big problems too with disqus yesterday.

      • Robert Eckert

        It’s better for me today. Yesterday I did not get Tony’s “NEW POST UP” or Tony’s reply to one of my comments (an important reply, correcting my mis-impression that Jeff’s new series was replacing Claire’s) for 7 hours after they happened, and the second thread loaded so painfully slowly that it was well past midnight before I was more or less caught up.

        • Jo

          I kinda gave up after an hour or so, maybe longer. Seems to be working better today.

  • Missionary Kid

    After a donation, I got a thank-you email from Dein Sofley. I replied asking about donating anonymously and keeping one’s name off of any thank you publication. I also asked about a Bunker night. Here is his answer.

    Dein Sofley
    says:

    Hi Missionary Kid (I replaced my name with my Bunker avatar)

    Donations to Kickstarter can be made anonymously or under an alias.
    The list of “backers” is only visible to me and will not be published
    unless it’s part of a reward. That said, if you or anyone prefer their
    name not be published on Facebook, the playbill or otherwise I am happy
    to maintain your privacy.

    A “Bunker Night” is a great idea. We experienced one in NY with Tony.
    Of course Tony not being in LA makes it a little more challenging to
    orchestra, but if we meet our goal and come to Hollywood I’ll try to
    coordinate a meet and greet.

    All my best,

    Dein

  • Jgg2012

    A general comment on Scientology: they seem to have a huge number of suicides (I don’t know if Teague was a suicide attempt, but it may have been). Tory Magoo said she knew 9 people who did commit suicide. The national US avg: 1 in 300, and most are elderly, terminally ill, so it’s more like 1 in 900 of those who were not terminally ill. It is several times higher in Scientology. For every celebrity who says “it really helped me” there are several suicides. This alone is reason enough to ban its practices.

    • Poison Ivy

      US national average, last I heard was about 12% overall (averaging all the different states.)

      • Robert Eckert

        You mean 0.12% (1 in 800; 12% would be 1 in 8 dying by their own hand!)

        • Poison Ivy

          Hello. Duh. I am better at math than LRH – but not much.

          • Robert Eckert

            I didn’t refresh until this morning: OK it’s 12.4 per 100,000 which would be 0.0124% but that may be per year; multiply times about 70 (average lifespan) for lifetime risk?

  • jmh

    Craigslist Slaying Shameless Plug

    Newbies to the project can read up here:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/craigslist-co-slaying-clearcraig-tips-and-links-please-read-before-flagging-or-posting.114142/

    Lets do as we did yesterday. I’ll post each city in a separate reply… please upvote it if you flag it! Thanks!

  • Aslansown

    This is hilarious. Maybe their webmaster blew.

    Under “Successes of Scientology” the Scientology website still has a picture of Leah Remini and her quote: “Scientology has been my road out. There is nothing about my life that I feel apathetic or unhappy about. Scientology gives you hope and the certainty that you can improve any condition. This, to me, is priceless.”

    http://www.whatisscientology.org/html/Part05/Chp19/pg0318-a.html

    (I guess we’ll know how many OSA people read this by how fast it gets taken down.)

    In case it does get taken down, here’s the screen grab from yesterday: (refresh)

    • DamOTclese2

      ROFL! Love it. Of course now that you pointed it out, Dimwit Dave will order it removed, “Immediately! Or I’ll slap every fucking one of you!” LOL.

      • Aslansown

        I know. I almost didn’t want to put it up because I love the idea of it being there.

        • DamOTclese2

          LOL! Too late! We have screen captures! ๐Ÿ™‚ It’s so amusing. Technology just hangs Scientology at every technological step, you know?

          • Aslansown

            I was so excited when I found it that I hearsayed how to do a screen capture just so I could share it with the Bunker.

            • Jo

              Had to hearsay screen capture too. Looks like Kirstie is taking a day off. Well she is busy with twitter and being a humanitarian.

            • Aslansown

              HA!! I love it! Great job!

            • Jo

              It wasn’t me. Jo is a common name.

            • Aslansown

              Well, you did a great screen capture! Isn’t it nice the scientology is teaching us new tech skills?? ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Jo

              Sure is. If only I could remember how I did it? Lol, think I turned off iPad off several times.

            • Aslansown

              hahaha! I think I’d have to look it up again too!

            • DamOTclese2

              She’s a full-time dimwit.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              I would like to know how to do a screen capture and post it, for instance Sandy Duncan’s comment a few minutes ago on the RiverPark FB page https://www.facebook.com/events/560706057317315/

            • Aslansown
            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              thanks! I will try it next time. They have already taken down Sandy Duncan’s post on that FB page… As well as several responses that called the cult a fraud. So.. someone on staff saw those posts of hers and must be quite enturbulated by now.

            • Aslansown

              I think I got them but I won’t be home for about 6 hours. When I get back home I will post them.

            • Aslansown

              Here are the posts from the FB page (refresh)

            • Once_Born

              1) Press the ‘Print Screen’ (or prtsc) key on your keyboard. This copies an image of your screen to your clipboard.

              2) Open MS Paint (Start –> Accessories –> Paint)
              3) In Paint, Edit –> Paste
              4) Save the image on your computer
              5) Drag it from your computer into your post window

          • Once_Born

            And the Wayback Machine http://archive.org/web/

            Might be interesting to use this to work back in time through the Scientology website to resurrect ‘unpersons’ and embarrassing blunders.

            • Aslansown

              That sounds like a fun project!!

        • DamOTclese2

          Oh and Aslansown, this was an awesome catch you did. ๐Ÿ™‚ You should work for the Los Angeles Dodgers. ๐Ÿ™‚ This is sweet!

          • Aslansown

            hahaha!!! I’d want to help out the Chicago Cubs!

            I’m trying to remember how I found it. I followed a link about Scientology celebrities and it took me to that page. Now this is going to bug me…..where did I find it?

            • DamOTclese2

              Yeah. ๐Ÿ™‚ The second inning starts when Scientology removes it and we get to crow about it a second time. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Aslansown
            • Missionary Kid

              In the comment on Leah’s picture, the Huffington Post added this, “UPDATE: Remini reportedly quit Scientology in July 2013, after being subjected to “years of ‘interrogations’ and ‘thought modifications.'”

            • Aslansown

              Thanks for pointing that out. I was so excited when I clicked the link and it actually went to their site I didn’t even read the rest!

            • Missionary Kid

              The next slide is of Lisa Marie Presley. There are two updates on her status as a $cion.

              The last says this:
              UPDATE: Presley has indeed left the church of Scientology and told USA Today “I got bad advice. I was insulated with no grip on reality. They were taking my soul, my money, my everything.”

              If you click on it, a link is provided to: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Lisa-Marie-Presley-on-Scientology-They-Were-Taking-My-Soul-My-Money-My-Everything-271804.shtml

            • Aslansown

              Wow! Is that the first negative thing Lisa Marie has openly said (besides her song lyrics)? I don’t remember reading that. Good for her for saying that — it’s quite powerful.

            • Barbara Angel

              YAY x 1,000 another one Woke Up. It’s good news week.

            • Missionary Kid

              To add: if you click on the update, it will send you to this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/leah-remini-scientology_n_3579261.html?utm_hp_ref=celebrity

            • SopranoAscends

              Of course, I skipped over the feature when I read that Dax and Kristin finally tied the knot, after having waited for the Supremes to drop-kick Prop 8. They seem like good folks.

    • Poison Ivy

      I wonder if they’re just keeping it to rub it in her face.

      You know, like the way they often produce old success stories to people they’re about to label SP and say, “Yeah, but you said you had wins. WERE YOU LYING THEN OR ARE YOU LYING NOW?”

      • Aslansown

        Yeah – who knows. We’ll see – if they suddenly take it down I guess they just didn’t realize it was still up.

        • Poison Ivy

          It’ll be an indication of how closely they read this blog!!

          • Aslansown

            Exactly — that’s what I was thinking. I’ll keep the tab open and see what happens…

        • Missionary Kid

          They may just keep it up so the faithful still think she’s in, or that someone who doesn’t know about her defection thinks it still holds true.

    • Moorwalker

      *dies laughing*

  • DamOTclese2

    Q. Did you hear of that practice taking place?
    A. I heard of it. I heard of it by the client.
    Q. More than one client?
    A. Correct.

    Well I sure hope that the next question was “Did you or any of the other Scientology employees actually supply drugs, narcotics, alcohol to people to ensure Scientology could get away with this fraud?”

  • Sunny Sands

    Tent Watchers’ Update Lots of activity around the tents and Davy’s Park. The first pic shows “Agrekko” equipment in the roadway on a lift. Agrekko is a power generator rental company. In the 2nd pic, the red arrow shows where a green quadrangle has appeared. There are landscaping plants in containers along the fence line.

    • Aslansown

      Looks like tree tech will be happening.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Wonder if the fence will become an “electronic fence”, the kind that’s used to keep dogs in or out? The landscaping is shaping up and looks very inviting and beautiful. Even using indigenous and drought resistant greenery. As to the green quadrant, is that a soylent shade of green? Who else is waiting for stone statuary figures of a very tall version of Pope Miscavige? There should be a few Roman or Green Columns thrown in just for good measure. Snark aside, it look likes a lovely strolling area so far. That’s why I’m just waiting for something sinister like electronic fences or Miscavige statues with cameras embedded in the eyes, following you as you come and go.

      “Davey’s Park”. You can walk right in, but you never walk out on Davey.

      • Sunny Sands

        The permits include a fountain. Also, they were installing wide (18″ diameter?) drainage pipe today on the left side.

        The direction the pedestrians are walking is the direction of the tents.

        • Poison Ivy

          Will the park also be temporary?

          • Sunny Sands

            I don’t think so, they’ve poured concrete and installed trees.

            • Poison Ivy

              Well, if you’re a tree, that’s no guarantee of safety when it comes to Scientology.

              LEST WE FORGET….

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              hah

            • Moorwalker

              Perfect.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Love fountains! I’m envisioning the one in “Three Coins in the Fountain”, and all the members have to toss in any spare change as they leave the parking lot and walk to the tent bizarre. During the event, all the RPFr’s will dive in and scoop them all up, melt them down during intermission, and mold them into gaudy trophies. Finally, they crawl through the pipes which lead to a trap door under the stage and a mini elevator jettisons them up to the Awards Table where the whales are impatiently waiting to be adored. Too much or needs more cowbell?

          http://youtu.be/7_rAi7oiEJI

          • ze moo

            I see they bypassed the chocolate fountain again. Schmucks. No one can resist a chocolate fountain. Too phallic?

      • DamOTclese2

        Hopefully Gilman will shortly become the property of the FBI and be used as a training facility for FBI agents.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I love that dream.

        • Barbara Angel

          Training facility for the FBI??? That useless Agency have their heads up their own bum’s and are enjoying the view… What have they done recently to stop that Criminal Psychopath???

          FBI: note to self, why haven’t we found Shelly Miscavige yet??
          Answer: Maybe because we are tooooooo lazy; scared, stupid, bored, busy watching football, busy eating donuts, busy examining the fluff in our navel, busy playing computer games. That’s 8 different excuses one for each day of the week and one spare left over in case they claim to be working 8 days a week.

      • TXCowgirl

        “You can check in anytime you like, but you can never leave…..(cue the guitar solo)”

    • Jo

      Thanks sunny.

    • Mark

      The tent now looks like some aged chorus-girl hoicking up her skirts to adjust a vagrant suspender, which makes me wonder about St. Davey’s Park: if not a driveway in disguise, it’s still awfully symmetrical & Busby Berkeley-like. Maybe in his dotage, Tiny Dick has started to follow ElRon’s showbiz ambitions, and plans to introduce the Golden Age of Dreck with an open-air musical spectacular:

      • Sunny Sands

        Tent #2 was looking ominous today.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          As Sandy would say, “Tell us More, Tell us More”.

          • Sunny Sands

            Tonight is Friday night graduation. Maybe Mike Rinder will have news about whether/if DM shows and what he says.

            I was behind 4 SO in line 9/20. The man was telling the others all the U.S. cities he had been to recently to make something happen within a month.

            • Moorwalker

              You’re the best spy ever. What an OSA asset you’d have been ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Sunny you are superb as a spy and photog! Thank you for keeping us updated.

            • Poison Ivy

              “To make something happen” – is that an order from the “top of the org board” aka that lilttle guy who’s never heard of the 28th State?

              What is “Something”?

            • Sunny Sands

              I don’t know what the something is, sorry.

            • Poison Ivy

              Usually with Scientology you can assume “Something” means bringing in more $$$.

            • Barbara Angel

              Yep like selling methamphetamine to kiddies…. Future customers for narcon = more moneeeeeee

      • Cat Daddy

        Sell your body for the greater good Sea Org boys and girls, do it for COB

    • Elen

      Love your pics Sandy!! Especially with arrows! Now we just need some circles! (re: Alice’s Restaurant)

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Is it too early to be wondering what’s happening in Judge Waldrip’s chambers in Texas?

    “This Friday, attorneys will be back in Waldripโ€™s court to argue over this mess, and they should be able to hash out some sort of protective order that works for both sides.”

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/16/scientology-asks-for-protection-in-texas-lawrence-wright-a-finalisty-for-national-book-award/

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      probably another 3 or 4 hours. I’m curious about this too.

    • WhereIsSHE

      The motion is listed for a hearing in open court at 11:00am (Texas time), so … in progress, I would imagine.

      • Poison Ivy

        Pins ‘n needles.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        This WIS. Was hoping it started earlier. Watching this one every single step of the way.

  • DamOTclese2

    “This video has been removed by the user.”

    Woops! Was it a lawyer that ordered its removal?

  • Aslansown

    In trying to figure out how I found the link to Leah Remini’s page on the Scientology site, I found this:

    “Leah Remini reportedly sends her fans Scientology pamphlets in response to fan mail.”

    http://thoughtcatalog.com/nico-lang/2012/07/60-famous-people-you-didnt-know-were-scientologists/

    I’m SO glad she’s out.

  • aurora50

    Matt DRUDGE has the French story up on his page!

  • Just Dee

    My son-in-law is in law enforcement. To make a very long story short, his sister is now in Narcanon. This wonderful rehab (being sarcastic) was actually a referral from another law enforcement person…. I tried to talk with them but had to stop. This family paid 2500 for an “interventionist” and another 33,000 for the “rehab”. It is really disgusting how places like this are still in business. Hopefully that will change.

    • Aslansown

      I’m really sorry to hear that. When the Narconon FB page was up I saw a bunch of pictures of local law enforcement participating in their fundraising runs, and vice versa. I think they really try to cozy up to LE.

    • Poison Ivy

      I hope you can educate your son-in-law in a non-threatening way, by getting him to link to this blog and Narcononreviews.net. At least he and his family can know what to expect…

      • Just Dee

        PI and Aslan thanks… I tried talking with them, it didn’t go over too well. It took so long to get this poor girl into a rehab and the fact that one of his law enforcement buddies recommended… I was fighting a losing battle. I do have a lot of info, Including how they hold classes for people to make extra money by recommending Narconon (10%) Not saying that this person is getting $$, I don’t know – but I have info (including many articles on this site) and WHEN they finally need it, I’ll be prepared.
        The more lawsuits the better. The more publications the better because I can’t believe that this is still happening to good people.
        Thanks!
        Been needing to vent this for a while now!

        • Aslansown

          I can only imagine how you feel, knowing what you know, and them just not wanting to hear it. They are probably exhausted from the ordeal and just happy that she’s somewhere where she’s getting “help.” Maybe you could just suggest that they stay in VERY close contact with her while she’s in there, ask lots of questions, etc. I’m really sorry.

          • Just Dee

            Thanks and I will! Gotta go for a bit but you guys are awesome, thanks again!

            • Sunny Sands

              They might at least use a heads up to check their finances. Make sure they aren’t double billed both personally and to the insurance company. Or that the friendly intake clerks at Narconon haven’t opened credit cards and made charges in the girl’s or parents’ names.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I am SO sorry to hear this, it sounds like you did your best. I think you are correct that he got a referral from someone else in law enforcement, which meant he thought the person and referral was trustworthy.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I hope that referral wasn’t law enforcement under Lee Baca in L.A. Especially hope it wasn’t someone named Ben (Benjamin) Ring who is a scientologist.

      http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/08/benjamin_ring_l.php

      [http://i44.tinypic.com/2h30l54.jpg

      • Just Dee

        New Jersey BUT she is in CA

    • Casabeca

      How awful!

    • Sidney18511

      Dee….maybe if they hear from her that she is being forced to take weird Scientology classes, everything that you told them will flood their minds and they will get her the heck out of there.

      • Just Dee

        I am going to see them both on Monday; I might just print out this story as well as the comments. This family is VERY catholic and I really do think if the truth sunk in, they would get her out. As it stands right now though, that won’t happen until December. Unfortunately, I think at this point their feelings are she isn’t using….. as long as she is some place, she won’t use. Thanks everyone for all your support and ideas. This has been really bothering me!

        • pronoia

          It is not hard to understand. From their point of view, they are probably thinking that anything is better than daughter on drugs.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Just Dee: Please include this link to Lucas Catton’s website. Tell he was President and became a whistleblower and advocate and was featured on NBC along with what is now a parade of whistleblowers. He is familiar with all of the channels where customers were obtained, including the court system and police. They need to understand why a police would recommend. I can understand that, so it seems That needs to be addressed.

          http://www.haveyoutoldall.com/tag/lucas-catton/

          and this site includes contact info:

          http://www.lucascatton.com/

  • Seannie5

    ” I think getting psychiatric help would have been beneficial to him”

    Riiiiight … so she works with an organisation that is 100% against that. Duh!

  • Larry Moore

    Off topic….Regarding the Dutch……Las Vegas is offering 10,000 to 1 odds that Scientology Inc. has a ‘secret-scientologist’ that works as an assistant to the Judge/Judges that ruled in the Con’s favor. After all, such secret scientologists in government are there owing to scientology scripture. Google Hubbard and Power for details.

    That’s 10,000 to one.

    Dutch Judge to assistant secret scientologist (A.S.S. for short): Where are those files you compiled regarding evidence that scientology is a scam.

    A.S.S. to Dutch Judge: Here they are: hands folders of glowing reports on scientology.

    Judge: Wow, they seem like a great bunch of religious people.

    A.S.S: Yes they do, your Honor. That’s every piece of evidence I could find. They are a ‘real’ church.

    • Poison Ivy

      I wondered this myself. WIth Scientology, what would be “tinfoil hat” thinking in any other situation is usually not far fetched at all.

      • Observer

        Tinfoil hat thinking doesn’t go nearly far enough when it comes to Scientology truth.

      • Once_Born

        Stumbled across this image some time ago…

      • Larry Moore

        Quite frankly they are (or were in the old days) very good at getting their foot soldiers into positions of ‘asst’ to powerful people. Primarily in government, but also in private companies where their (imaginary) SP’s were concerned.

        Such a strategy is remarkably-brilliant, and repulsively-evil. Brilliant because it worked. Evil, well, because it worked, to enslave (or destroy) more and more otherwise innocent and naive people.

        Not to worry though as the Scientology-Implosion is being heard, felt and seen worldwide, and they are running out of ‘foot-soldiers’ to do their ‘scriptural’ duty.

        • Poison Ivy

          Just finished “A Piece of Blue Sky” which I read years ago but has so much more value to me now. It’s quite remarkable, and so well-researched.
          Atack goes into depth about the techniques of infiltrating power that were taught by MSH’s GO and so successfully implemented in operation Snow White.
          Like all things, it seemed to me as I was reading it, CO$ might have gotten away with OSW if they hadn’t gotten so blatantly arrogant and reckless in their spying.
          Which is scary in itself.
          Because the footsoldier Scientologists in these positions aren’t really thinking for themselves, they are more likely to make stupid mistakes when trying to execute orders from above that don’t take into consideration conditions on the ground. Because of rank, obedience, etc. they don’t just speak up and say, “Do you think it’s really a good idea for me to burgle that office for the 5th time this week?”
          We will soon see whether or not that very scenario is playing out again in a Texas courthouse today.

          • Larry

            Nice post Poison Ivy. The book is indeed outstanding. And regarding your comment: “Which is scary itself”, I am convinced Scientology has agents in positions of power (as political ‘assistants’) in countries around the world to this day. Fortunately, the number of such ‘operatives’ is diminishing on an ever increasing basis.

            Why? Because ‘Whales’ don’t do assistant positions. And having 3 new Scientologists per year does not bode well for their future ‘foot-soldier’ count. Lol.

            • Poison Ivy

              Again, I think the competency level of the minions reflects the chaos and incompetency (and outright insanity) at the top. Remember, Miscavige micromanages. Apparently head of OSA Linda Hamel (???) is a “Pet” who has never been RPF’d or “Holed” – so there must be some level of competency there. But the Martys and Mikes and Marc Headleys and John Brousseas and Debbie Cooks – the really effective smart people – are all gone. So you’ve got low-level people answering to mostly incompetent upper people who won’t sneeze unless COB gives them permission. That’s not a good recipe for effective spying on the ground.

              Maybe the Dutch are a tad more autonomous, and given their membership of only 40 or so, were able to work together more efficiently to infiltrate and “handle.”

            • ze moo

              No need to postulate $cienostooges doing their dirty work. Perhaps Dutch law is just as goofy as American Tax Law?

          • Once_Born

            You might also like “The Road to Xenu” by Margery Wakefield

            The author relates her experiences as a Scientologist – including stealing documents from a Psychiatrists office under the direction of the OSA (excerpt at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/xenu/xenu-11.html#spy )

            Full online version: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/xenu/
            Book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Road-Xenu-Inside-Scientology/dp/0557090407/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382125286&sr=8-1&keywords=the+road+to+Xenu

            • Poison Ivy

              TY, OB. I’ve read sections of it online but not the whole thing.

  • Interested Bystander

    How many lawsuits are currently pending against the church and/or it’s cute little off-shoots?

    • Larry Moore

      Here is a link to an old tally (2009):

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/17559043/Current-Lawsuits-Against-Scientology-and-Scientologists

      However, recently I saw a 2013 list and it was IMPRESSIVE, lol. Before Scientology is through they will undoubtedly gain entry into the Guinness book of world records for having started more lawsuits than any church in history, AND, having lost more lawsuits than any church in history.

      • Interested Bystander

        Thanks, Larry!

        Man oh man, that’s a crazy amount but I’d guess it’s more than that now. WHY is this stuff not being reported more by mainstream news outlets? This is crazy.

        • Larry

          Mainstream Media tends to be cautious when it comes to the ‘news’ they report. Every major media outlet in the US watched TIMES fork out a couple hundred million to defend itself against Scientology (years ago). Thus they understandably tippy toe around the subject. At least until now.

          Once the media ‘believes’ the water is safe, they will jump in (with their own private sharks). And the water is getting safer and safer with each passing day.

          • Interested Bystander

            Exactly. For some reason I thought there was more of a sense of safety thanks to the last few years’ developments. How can you ignore 2,000+ former members speaking out?
            (that’s a rhetorical question, I guess).

          • Deeana

            Ooops! Sorry. I hit the down arrow when intending to hit the Reply button.
            In any case, on to what I was going to say. The Main Stream Media is no where as interested in all of this as we are. In their “news cycles” anything scientology would fall under “Religious news” or perhaps “Celebrity News”. The whole story – unfortunately- just does not resonate to the majority.

            I was actually amazed that the TomKat divorce got as much MSM as it did.

            But to use that famous saying, “We’re here. We’re legion. We do not forget.”
            Or something like that.

            • Larry

              I trust you are correct. On the other hand, the major media seems to feast on stories that produce ‘outrage’ be it political, economic, celebrity, religion or otherwise. Thus I imagine as Scientology continues to get its rear end handed to them in courts in the US, at some point the major media will pick it up, most especially given the absurdity of Scientologys legal arguments, and run with it. I could be wrong though. It won’t be the first time. I once joined Scientology. Lol.

          • Tony Ortega

            They were sued for more than a hundred million, but they won the case and ended up spending “only” a few million to defend themselves. Even the mighty TIME couldn’t handle spending a hundred million and survive!

            • Larry

              I stand corrected, thanks (so much for perfect recall, lol). Though the point remains the same. The atmosphere is certainly different nowadays. I imagine one good reason the major media may well jump on the bandwagon (at some point) is because Scientology will be setting records for insane legal arguments while at the same time being exposed as being the fraudulent organized, well, organization that it is.

              And yes, Time won, and Time lost.

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        thats how Loon Ron Hubbard is smashing his name into history!

  • Dee Fogger

    I’m slogging my way through the wall of prevarication and obfuscation that is the Miscavige deposition. At one point, when being questioned about CMO
    Regulation ED92 Miscavige states that as an executive directive it would only be in force for one year. That’s not what I thought. I little help – is this just an outright lie?
    Here’s the part of the deposition:
    “SECONDLY, THIS IS AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTIVE AND IT IS BASIC POLICY OF THE
    CHURCH THAT EXECUTIVE DIRECTIVES HAVE, AT MOST, A ONE-YEAR TIME FRAME WHEREBY
    THEY’RE IN FORCE. THEY DO NOT HAVE THE FORCE OF POLICY. THERE’S A GRADIENT SCALE
    OF ISSUES AND POLICIES WITHIN THE CHURCH AND AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTIVE EXPIRES
    AFTER ONE YEAR, SO SINCE THIS IS 11 JANUARY 1978, I WOULD ASSUME NOT.”

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      A lie. Executive Directives might be used to address a specific situation that takes longer to handle than, say, a problem in one org only.

      But they really have attained the force of ‘Policy” which is never canceled. LRH ED 339R, (L. Ron Hubbard Executive Directive #339, revised), is about the ‘birthday game’, which was getting stats up in time for LRH’s birthday March 13, 1982/1983. It applied to all organizations and was used to implement programs that were supposed to get ‘stats’ up.

      This ED has been used for DECADES to be the basis of programs and actions throughout scientology. I am sure it is being used even today. The same with various other EDs.

      There are other EDs issued by the ‘church’ for various things and are revised and reissued. One year only is complete bullshit.

      Edit: There might be some obscure policy that says CMO EDs are effective for only one year, but that does not prevent slight revision and re-issue of the same ED, or just ignoring the expiration wholesale.
      As with so many things in scientology, what is said is so very very far from what is actually done.

      • Dee Fogger

        Thanks so much for your answer, I really appreciate the information. What a surprise that the lying midget lied.

    • grundoon

      In HCO POLICY LETTER OF 24 SEPTEMBER 1970: ISSUES – TYPES OF, L. Ron Hubbard sets forth 20 types of internal Scientology orders and bulletins. Among them are the Executive Directives, which come in 4 varieties depending on the issuer; all are said to expire within one year. (CMO EDs aren’t listed; apparently they were invented later.) An ED could be made permanent by reissuing it as one of the permanent types such as HCOPL or FO.

      LRH EDs – L. Ron Hubbard Executive Directives, earlier called Sec Eds. These are issues by LRH to various areas. They are not valid longer than one year when they automatically are retired. They carry current line, projects, programs, immediate orders and directions. They are numbered for area and sequence for the area and are sent to staffs or specific posts in orgs. They are blue ink on white paper with a special heading….

      EDs – Executive Directives. Issued by any Executive Council and named for the area it applies to. Thus ED WW, meaning issued to Worldwide. They are valid for only one year. They contain various immediate orders, programs, etc. They are blue ink on blue paper….

      SO ED-Sea Org Executive Directive. Broadly distributed to SO and Scn Orgs and binding on
      both. Usually issued by a Flag Aide. Contains immediate orders or programs. Blue on white paper….

      Of all types of SO Orders only the FO is carefully preserved and master filed as it is HAT material vital to the efficiency, comfort and safety of the crews. Note that all SO issues except FOs and CBOs decay within the year and have no continuous validity….

      L. RON HUBBARD

      • Dee Fogger

        Thanks. I think I understand now. In the HCO Policy Letter you’ve provided, Grundoon, Hubbard is providing both a future plausible denial of a policy that may be found questionable or useful to opposition and a mechanism to later disregard his previous edicts if he changes his mind Then we have Miscavige using this in a deposition to deny that there were ‘guidelines’ or policies for the actions of the CMO (that was the issue in the deposition my previous post was regarding). Michael has provided the information on how that actually works within the organization of the church. Re-issuing or ignoring the expiration. As most current members are not as knowledgeable as the former members as to the various letters, directives, etc. issued by Hubbard it is surely enough to simply mention the issue with appropriate quotes to ensure compliance or agreement.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I’m just gonna plunk this jewel down, which i picked up over at WWP. Sacramento mission…not desperate at all. Bothered to slap together a FB page for an event coming up (so far out of 235 still on their central files list, only 5 coming).

    Their FB page title: “Sell Or Die” No, I am Not making this up.

    https://www.facebook.com/events/560706057317315/

    • Moorwalker

      “SELL OR DIE!” in all caps, no less. And judging by the photo, it looks like Don’s been spending some time on the oiliness table.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yeah, and out of the 5 going, 2 are going to be vulture regges (salesmen) working on commission, 1 will be OSA waving embarrassing “confessionals” in the corner, and two will be there to lock and bolt the doors.

        Wonder how long it will take them to realize there are no more paying sheep entering the barn?

        • Sidney18511

          They must be starting to realize that no matter how much money they donate it is never enough.

        • Moorwalker

          They’re just regging the hell out of each other at this point.

          • Poison Ivy

            Talk about “eating their own.”

    • Interested Bystander

      A bit off topic, but I can easily see a present day Alec Baldwin playing L. Ron Hubbard.

      • Poison Ivy

        I really like that, actually.

        • Mooser

          Yup, me too. That I would pay to go see, and I’d probably buy a ticket to get in, too.

    • Observer

      It sounds like a truly joyous event.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It brings me joy, Obs because it is another signal of the end, but sad as well. This is typical of how it has become. There are only a few left and they are either those needing a cash commission fix or Stepford wives on a fast track to shortcircuitville. Emails are getting near unintelligible, mistakes abound. The scientology high is crashing and it’s crashing hard.

    • Dee Fogger

      Wow, that title’s a little too self-aware for current Scientologists. They have 235 on their list and only 7 bothered to respond. Straight up and vertical baby!

    • Sidney18511

      Wow…..could it be that many sclions are opening their eyes and smelling the scam?

      • Moorwalker

        They know that this is going to be a horrible haranguefest. Even masochistic Scientologists try to avoid this sort of thing.

        • Poison Ivy

          See Sunny Sands observation below (in the “Tent Watcher’s” thread): A Sea Orger talking about how in every state this month, the pressure is on to “make something happen.”

          • Moorwalker

            They’re trying to drum up enough donated theta to reanimate Shelly.

    • Sunny Sands

      5 confirmations and 2 maybes, and the event starts tomorrow at 9:30.

      • Moorwalker

        Lying down and horizontal in Sacramento.

        • Dee Fogger

          Lying, down, and horizontal in Sacramento. The power of the comma!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Did you see Sandy Duncan’s comment on that FB page, which will probably be taken down soon “Don Pearson — Isn’t he a known Scientology crim? Seriously, are you going toi hand your money to these violently insane Scientology crims? Are you that stupid?”

      • Observer

        Uh-oh, they deleted Sandy’s post, and he or she is NOT happy …

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Cap’n Howdy’s YT link to Glengarry Glen Ross is well timed. It’s actually worse. And the public doesn’t get hijacked and doors locked until they pay. And the top of this vulture chain in the sea org are those unfortunate drooling Lord of the Flies 3rd generation tweens and teens that are slithering and screeching in and out of the halls of the sea orgs, ordering around staff and public alike in their 50’s and 60’s. I think they might be enjoying the act of getting revenge of what they were put through as children.

          • Mooser

            “And the top of this vulture chain in the sea org are those unfortunate
            drooling Lord of the Flies 3rd generation tweens and teens that are
            slithering and screeching in and out of the halls of the sea orgs,
            ordering around staff and public alike in their 50’s and 60’s”

            Oh my. 3rd generation? A very disturbing thought.

            • Sounds more like the Children of the Corn, or the Village of the Damned.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              All three have been referenced and would be appropriate. I hope in the end they will get all the help they need. They didn’t sign up for this.

          • Poison Ivy

            It makes sense they would revel in the power, if they were neglected as kids and felt totally powerless. Human nature.

        • Observer

          ^^This post is gone now. Will Sandy post again? Ooo, the suspense!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            We’re easily entertained. What do they expect when they post the crazy for all the world to see? So is Leah Remini invited yet or what?!!

    • Captain Howdy

      COB must love Glengarry Glen Ross, well at least this bit.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kZg_ALxEz0

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’s absolutely like this, Cap’n and worse. No, the Worst is Executive Finance Committee meetings. COB probably plays that scene for a bedtime lullaby.

        • When Chang kai-Shek was visiting Shanghai one time in the mid-30s, he failed to go and pay his respects to the head of the Green Dragon Tong there, which as a member in good standing he was suppose to do as soon as he arrived there. You always went to the leader in whatever city you were visiting, it was considered a matter of respect, of ‘face’.

          For his negligence, his fiancee was kidnapped by the GDT, and Chang had to kowtow(gowdow, in the Shanghai dialect) three times tapping his head on the floor in the gesture of homage once only rendered to rulers of Imperial China, in order to obtain her release.

          That’s what this scene reminds me of. The similarity between criminal organizations is most fascinating.

          • Missionary Kid

            The Green Dragon Tong was a criminal organization, but unfortunately, IMO, Chang wasn’t exactly corruption-free.

            My father isn’t around to ask any more about the ’30s, but in the 40s, the corruption of his administration made it easy for the Communists to take over.

            Of course, if one is a Scion, and doesn’t pay proper homage to DM, the Hole is where they end up.

            • That’s why my family left in 1946. With the protection of extraterritoriality taken away for Americans and other European citizens(you could only be tried in courts of your country, and there were such in Shanghai before WWII), you could be killed if you weren’t one of Changs’ buddies and held onto American money and/or gold. My mother was a 9 year-old child wore a coat with gold bars sewn into it when they traveled by ship from Shanghai to the port of San Francisco. I didn’t know about the gold bars until a relative told me a few years after mom died.

            • Missionary Kid

              When My family and I returned to China in 1947, my father brought with a car and a truck body. When they his customs, he was told that the duty on the car was $27,000. That was in 1947 dollars!

              My dad told the customs man to hold on to the car until he could get and answer. He said that he wrote a flowery, flattering letter to Chang, reminding him that he’d done relief work among the Chinese and the Chinese troops, and my mother had delivered babies of Chang’s troops spouses during the war, and he asked to have the duty reduced.

              A couple of weeks later, a letter came back to the customs office. All duties were waived. He took the car, sold it, and was able to buy a pick-up and have a body built for the rear of the truck with that money.

              Later, he had a Chinese working for him who was honest, hard working, and efficient. One day, he disappeared. Dad found out that the man was a Communist. Dad figured that he was there as a spy.

              Because of Chang’s corruption, and the enforced honesty of the communist troops, they were able to take over fairly easily because the people were tired of the corruption. The Communists lived frugally, while the Nationalist officials demanded bribes.

              When Chang fled to Taiwan, he took huge amounts of gold, antiques, and other valuables. He claimed it all for himself.

            • He(Chang) certainly earned the nickname Chancre Jack, didn’t he?

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup.

    • Dee Fogger

      At the time you posted this they had invited 235 people. They have now invited 344 people and increased the number of people coming by 1. There are now 6 people confirmed. Wonder how many actually show up? Edit: The 6th person isn’t a real confirm, it’s someone trolling them.

    • pronoia

      Haha! Tony Ortega is on the list of invitees!

      • pronoia

        As well as some other interesting characters with names like Hubbard and xenubarbara.

        Edit: And Bert Leahy is invited!

        • Dee Fogger

          Anybody can invite someone? That makes sense of how the invitees increased by about 100. Oh, this will be fun.

          • pronoia

            Read the list of invitees. Very amusing.

            • Dee Fogger

              Appears Anon has been busy. An invite to ‘Aluminum Can’ made me laugh.

        • Observer

          And Graham Berry! hahahahaha!

        • Whoknew

          Love it. Someone invite the IRS and LA sheriff.

      • Observer

        Claire Headley is too, as well as pretty much every Occupy group on the planet. And check out David Hubbard’s page …

    • Observer

      Whoa, I just refreshed and they’ve changed the name of the event, the pic, everything. Someone must be tattling on us!

      https://www.facebook.com/events/560706057317315/

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’s the oak tree from Clearwater that got cut down! Are they going to ransom it?
        I like “If you’re not there, you’ll miss it”.

        • pronoia

          Check out that picture of Tree — the cult executive. Someone should post something about the beautiful live oaks which were sacrificed for the superpower tent.

          • Graham

            “Someone should post something about the beautiful live oaks which were sacrificed for the superpower tent.”

            Someone just did!…………..

            Darcy Woodall: Is that tree in memory of the beautiful old live oaks which were recently cut down to make room for the huge tent shipped over from St Hill? The one that will be where the new super power building with the oiliness table will be opened from. Imagine! Cutting down grand old shade trees in order to put up a temporary tent!

      • pronoia

        snicker. that comment about sell or die not being very “religious” must’ve gotten under someone’s skin!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist
          • Observer

            Before joining e.Republic, Pearson worked as a management consultant in the Sacramento area. His primary client was Allstate Insurance, for whom Pearson taught Hubbard’s ‘management by statistics’. The training fostered the idea that workers who had low statistics should be penalized for low productivity, or for crossing a favored employee with ‘up-statistics’. Some Allstate managers took such ideas too far, resulting in charges of “management by intimidation.”

            Now why does this sound familiar?

            • Whoknew

              Wow. A company as large as Allstate.

            • pronoia

              Commentators strewing entheta around. Once again!

            • Captain Howdy

              “When people do start reporting a staff member with a high statistic, what you investigate is the person who turned in the report. In an ancient army a particularly brave deed was recognized by an award of the title of Kha-Khan. It was not a rank. The person remained what he was, BUT he was entitled to be forgiven the death penalty ten times in case in the future he did anything wrong. That was a Kha-Khan. That’s what producing, high-statistic staff members are – Kha-Khans. They can get away with murder without a blink from Ethics…. And Ethics must recognize a Kha-Khan when it sees one – and tear up the bad report chits on the person with a yawn.

              In short, a staff member can get away with murder so long as his statistic is up and can’t sneeze without a chop if it’s down.”

            • Observer

              Was the kha-khan thing just another of the many things Eller heard about once and built a self-serving mythos around? The only historical references I’ve ever been able to find say that was that it was a title occasionally used in reference to Asian rulers, including Genghis Khan.

            • Captain Howdy
            • Observer

              I suspect a trolling just from the URL. *side-eye*

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Cap’n’s being naughty, me thinks. Babs?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              It was for real Obs. But guess who usually got the award? Top Salesmen, whether org regges or FSM’s.

            • Observer

              Oh, I’m not wondering if Hubbard actually did it. I was just wondering if it was a historical thing like he claimed it was, and I can’t find anything about warriors in ancient armies being granted 10 pardons from death sentences or whatever. It can’t find anything even remotely resembling that.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              He made it up.

            • Observer

              Exactly what I thought even before I started trying to find out. What a monumental liar that man was.

            • Robert Eckert

              “Khan” is simply a worn-down form of the root more properly spelled khaqan (the first “k” is aspirated, hence linguists spell it “kh”, the second pronounced more in the back of the mouth, hence “q” spelling). LRH had some garbled thing in his head like usual.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I won’t ever be using Allstate.. No matter how cute Mayhem is..

            • Observer

              I’m sure they gave him and Hubbard’s “tech” the heave-ho a long time ago. But that incident does show just how contagious Eller Aitch’s idiotic evil is.

      • Robert Eckert

        One of the confirmed is a Bunkerite sock and another is that hilarious chiropractor

      • Elen

        Snarky comments posted & still there 10 minutes later…

        • Robert Eckert
        • Observer

          I wonder if they took the whole thing down–now when I click on the link I just get a page of events for people I know.

          • Elen

            It’s gone… too much j&d… they couldn’t handle it!

    • TXCowgirl

      Did anyone get a screen shot before the FB page was changed?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I didn’t but ask on WWP.

      • pronoia

        I did.

        • TXCowgirl

          Is that the altered version, the one that said “Sell or die”?

    • Dee Fogger

      No longer up. The J & D’ing must have got to them.

    • pronoia

      .

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I had to ask myself why they had it public in the first place. Surely they didn’t believe raw public would see an event for scientology called “Sell or Die!” and be lining up around the block for a chance to get in?

        • pronoia

          I think they must be rather naive. People who live in bubbles tend to be oblivious to how others think and feel. My hope is that the hi-jinks managed to prick a few holes in it for some of them — get them wondering what the hell is going on out there!

  • WhereIsSHE

    Why is Narconon Freedom Center, Inc no longer in the case? (I see the Stipulation and Order dismissing NFC, Inc from the case documented in the court records, but I’d like to know the reasons for the Stipulation if anyone here knows the details.)

    EDIT: from the court records:
    Sep-10-2013 ORD (2 pages)
    STIPULATION AND ORDER DISMISSING PLAINTIFF’S CLA
    IMS AGAINST DEFENDANT
    NARCONON FREEDOM CENTER INC ONLY
    MISC ACT-JDG NARCONON FREEDOM CENTER INC

    • Poison Ivy

      Thank you for asking WIS.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hope to find out officially, but guessing it has to do with focusing on the location and personnel and ownership of medical/withdrawal factor of this case.

      • WhereIsSHE

        All of what you say makes sense– and makes the argument for suing defendant “A Forever Recovery, Inc”., and for keeping that defendant in the case.

        But it doesn’t explain a stipulation agreeing to the dismissal of the defendant Narconon facility (the LOCATION where the plaintiff was left unsupervised, with access to items that would be barred from a recovering addict in his state, and which ultimately led to him setting himself on fire, and suffering permanent damage.)

        This stipulation only came about after some legal wrangling.
        This is what I am curious about:

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Curiouser and curioser.

          • Verve

            Scummier and scummier.

        • Robert Eckert

          My guess would be that that particular corporate shell has been dissolved, and that it is stipulated that one of the remaining defendants is its successor in interest. Wickstrom loves changing around the names and the organization.

    • BigMcLargeHuge

      Looks like that last line could mean a Stipulated Judgment against that Defendant, so they were dismissed out. Just speculation though.

  • Sidney18511

    Karen’s video is still up and running on her ESMB thread……anyone know why it isn’t running on the bunker?

    • Sarah James

      I don’t know.

  • Seannie5

    Brendan Gleeson for LRon Hubbard?

    He’s probably too likeable though …

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      I just watched Anthony Hopkins playing Hitchcock (great movie, btw). He wore a fat suit and looked nothing like himself. Hopkins would make an excellent LRH!! He could REALLY pull it off.

      • Seannie5

        Didn’t Gleeson play Hitchcock too? Coincidence!
        Yeah, Hopkins is always good playing creepy weirdos!

    • Jo

      Love Brendan gleeson, The Guard and A.I. Why did nobody rent A.I.? Cried so much had to take a painkiller then my glasses got all blurry. Your right, prob too likeable. Still think Daniel Day Lewis should do it.

      • Seannie5

        I haven’t seen The Guard (heard wonderful things) or A.I. I really need to catch up with some movies. DDL is too goodlooking, but no doubt he would act well enough to make s see past that.

        • InterestedinCrazy

          great film! in my hometown, even know some extras!

      • InterestedinCrazy

        filmed in my hometown! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Whoknew

      Phillip-Seymore Hoffman did an excellent job, don’t you think? I thought he was perfect, and would love to see him with a new script of stuff we didn’t see in The Master.

      • Seannie5

        I still have to watch The Master! Soon, I hope!

        • Whoknew

          Just keep in mind it’s a tiny slice of time period covered, and it’s very toned-down. It’s dark and good but a little disappointing if you expect it to show a lot of the abuses.

      • aurora50

        I thought the same thing when someone posted the image of him and Joaquin Phoenix yesterday; that, in fact, those two could do a Hubbard/Miscavige movie…though it would take a script that included shifting time frames.

        …something very dark and fascinating to me is what went on in the years of DM’s youth, after he came under the purview of LRH?

        that story would need an actor much younger that J Phoenix.

    • Poison Ivy

      He’s great at playing the bad guy.

    • Phil McKraken

      I like Gleeson for the role. But I wonder; can anyone capture the essence of a self-satisfied moron with a gift for mass-hypnosis? … and weird, flappy lips.

      • Captain Howdy

        This guy’s crazy and he would be perfect.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!

        • sugarplumfairy

          Hello, boys.. I’m baaaaack…….

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          and he drives a mobile home. perfect.

        • Phil McKraken

          Vocal reverberation under spinal pressure?!?

          10 pts if you know the movie, without looking it up.

    • Robert Eckert

      And Jack Gleeson (Joffrey Lannister) for David Miscavige

  • pronoia

    Any word on the goings on at the court in Texas?

    • Whoknew

      Shouldn’t be, if the depositions aren’t until December, I assume. But Idk.

      • pronoia

        Am I mixed up? I thought there was another hearing about Marty and confidentiality rehash today.

        • Whoknew

          Oh! My bad. Sorry, I just woke up from a memory-fogging nap!

    • Robert Eckert

      Tony wouldn’t go to Texas for a relatively inconsequential hearing, and Michael Bennitt (the videographer who got us us the previous hearings) has not uploaded anything today. But I bet we hear tomorrow. The only issue is what kinds of confidentiality claims Scientology will be permitted to make at the depositions.

      • pronoia

        Oh – I wouldn’t expect Tony to go to Texas for every single hearing! I was hoping we’d hear that DM’s attorneys got smacked down. Again.

      • Observer

        I first read that as “what kinds of confidentiality claims Scientology will be permitted to make at the deceptions,” which still makes perfect sense.

        • Robert Eckert

          Or: what kinds of clams will Scientology be permitted to make?

    • Monkey see?

      โ€œThe Church of Scientology was trying to have certain records in the case sealed or held confidential and was trying to keep us from consulting with Mrs. Rathbunโ€™s husband, Mark Rathbun,โ€ attorney Ray Jeffrey said. โ€œThe judge ruled in our favor. We are allowed to consult with Mr. Rathbun.โ€
      Someone posted at ESMB: link, but there is a paywall….
      http://herald-zeitung.com/news/local_news/article_2356cf94-386e-11e3-bcb2-001a4bcf887a.html

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    We in RTC are quite convinced that a conspiracy is afoot. Look at the names of two of the attorneys brutalizing us:

    Ray Jeffrey

    Jeff Ray

    Who will it be suing us next? Jeffrey Ray Jeff? Jeff Jeffrey Ray? Ray Jeff Rayjeff?

    And what is the deal with Karen and J. Swift mocking OSA Legal and Scientology attorneys? Are they intimating something they know that we don’t? We hope not as COB is already on the verge of losing it. The last thing he needs is to be named in some sort of powerful lawsuit that comes out of nowhere and has numerous causes of action, some of which might seek the same sort of “Red Box” data that the FBI seized in the Operation Snow White raid.

    For the record: The fact is that COB RTC David Miscavige engages only in ecclesiastical matters and, like the Founder, does not manage the Church’s affairs on a daily basis. Moreover, which is to say, then again COB might be asked for advice by the Church on it’s daily operations but “advising” is not the same as “managing.” Further, naming Monique Yingling in any lawsuit, while a novel approach, would be counterproductive insofar as she would argue attorney client privilege — unless of course evidence of irregularities was produced. However, this would not be possible as we in the Church of Scientology are, per the Founder’s orders, are so very Fabian. Not even the NRO would figure out how we do what we do. Which is to say, we do things by the book and “Book of Scientology” is incomprehensible except to insiders.

    In happier news, COB has ordered the Founder’s very confusing and dizzying OEC and Tech vols removed from Flag course rooms. Only COB’s new GAT II course packs will be studied. The verbal data checklists have been removed from course packs.

    GAT II: Newer, easier, faster than ever before. Scientology made easy thanks to COB! Thank you sir?

    http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2012/11/04/a-day-in-the-life-fleet-admiral-david-miscavige/

  • Johnny Tank

    Found this on TMZ. This is a true church leader. COB would never do something like this:

    http://www.tmz.com/2013/10/18/the-pope-harley-davidson-motorcycle/

  • Johnny Tank

    Alexa ranking Oct. 18: *refresh for image*
    Tony: US rank #8,894 – up 8 from yesterday.
    Scientology: US rank #35,537 – up 550 from yesterday.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thanks for these updates, Johnny. Seems like 8,894 is a pretty high ranking for an unemployed internet blogger, but I guess that is life on the fringes…

      • Johnny Tank

        I guess he’s doing OK. Of course it’s nothing compared to the fastest groing religion… Oh, wait, he’s miles ahead of them! Nothing like objective facts to show who’s the boss ๐Ÿ™‚

        • ThetaBara

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLc2kSIihYU

          This is more true than it might seem… Love really is the BOSS.

          • aurora50

            Mr Aurora, may he rest in peace, was a percussionist…would LOVE to know who was backing her up on this…my ‘fringe of the internet’ skills are exhausted…

            can anyone link me up with the info?

            just makes me happy now, when I can do something he would have done…’course he probably would have listened for 5 secs and identified the drummer, if not the bass player as well!

            • Robert Eckert

              Wiki says
              Personnel[edit]
              Diana Ross – vocals
              Michael Brecker – saxophone
              Rob Mounsey – horn & string arrangements
              Errol Bennett – percussion
              Francisco Centeno – bass
              Ray Chew – keyboards
              Sammy Figueroa – percussion
              Eric Gale – guitar
              Anthony Jackson – bass
              Paul Riser – horn & string arranger
              Valerie Simpson – piano, backing vocals
              Nickolas Ashford – backing vocals
              Maxine Waters – backing vocals
              Julia Waters – backing vocals
              Stephanie Spruill – backing vocals
              John Sussewell – drums
              Greg Arnold – re-mix engineer, Marathon Recording NYC

            • aurora50

              Bless you!

              (never thought to look at Wiki…there ya go!)

            • aurora50

              ps Maxine Waters!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Michael Brecker …. Steely Dan. Ashford and Simpson wrote the song. A whole mix of stellar performers in that list.

            • ThetaBara

              According to “hearsay” (google) the drummer was Crusher Bennett (with Sammy Figueroa) and Franscisco Centeno and Anthony Jackson are both credited on bass. Nick Ashford worked on it too, and John Sussewell also has a drums credit. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • aurora50

              Thank you! just for my growing hearsay skills, what terms did you search?

              and again, THANK YOU! we both got the Big C the same year; his was fast, my was ‘indolent and inexorable’…he would argue with me over whose was more serious! men…

            • ThetaBara

              I’m so sorry to hear about that. ๐Ÿ™
              I just googled “Diana Ross boss” for the list of personnel.
              I’m SO SORRY about your husband, That SUCKS.
              Sorry, sweetheart. This scientology shit sucks balls. You deserve better.

            • Robert Eckert

              I don’t know what Theta searched, but I just typed in “diana ross the boss” and there was a Wiki article at the head othe search list. The Personnel list is for the whole album so I don’t know if all were involved in the title song

        • Mooser

          “fastest groing religion.”

          What you need, I think, is two s’s in there.

  • I hope some of you will go to Kickstarter and help get the TomKat Project to LA. There are only 4 days left for them to raise about $7500.

  • stillgrace2

    Craiglist update: flag new post for SF Bay Area

    “Dana Does Deception”

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/com/4137600154.html

    • sugarplumfairy

      Dana does deception.. not for long..

    • noseinabk

      Clear!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I got there too late, “this post has been flagged for removal”

  • ze moo

    The UK’s Telegraph has an interesting take on recent $cientology legal troubles.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100242123/first-they-came-for-the-scientologists/

    • aurora50

      Very cogent reflection on ‘is it a cult; is it a religion?’ and for Americans, an insight into how different European countries and/or the EU considers that question.

      What frosts me is that a money-grubbing pyramid scheme **masquerading** as a religion is the agent for generating this discussion.

      But in the long run? I suspect ‘all is good’ — the fraud will be exposed; the bajillions will be returned to the duped donors; the empty orgs will be returned to the community of ‘publics’ who donated the purchase price and, due to their inherent good will, converted to true social service programs.

      “…to God’s ear!”

  • NOLAGirl

    I know this is totally off-topic, but I just wanted to remind you all that your commitment to this fight is a beautiful thing and it makes me feel good to know that so many people (Former members & Never-Ins) are so dedicated to this battle. I know I don’t bring much more than love and good wishes to the group, but I am honored to be a small part of such a dedicated, intelligent group of people. I literally take a moment every day to stop and think about how wonderful all of you are. I am continually inspired by each & every one of you.

    Hope you all have a great weekend!! Love & Hugs to you all!!

    • Drat

      Move up in status today!

      (sorry, couldn’t resist)

      • NOLAGirl

        I’m going to “raise the status” of NOLAHubby tonight….does that count?? LOL ๐Ÿ˜€

        • ThetaBara

          You bet it does! ๐Ÿ˜€

          • NOLAGirl

            ((((HUGS)))) TB!!! Hope you’re having a great day. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Missionary Kid

          You’re lucky to have each other. It sure does count.

          • NOLAGirl

            Thanks MK….I feel very lucky to have him, he’s the love of my life. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Verve

      Cheeky the Chill says “Thanks. Hugs back at you.”

    • joan nieman

      Aw! You are wonderful too, NolaGirl.

  • Tony Ortega

    VIDEO LINK FIXED

    • Elen

      In case no one told you today… you are a rock star!! Thanks for taking care of us.

  • media_lush

    For those that might remember scientologycelebrity.wordpress.com you might recall that the person behind it had a particular loathing for Tyler Shields and would often mention how Cruise himself couldn’t stand the guy and didn’t want him anywhere near his kids…….. so I’m sure he’ll be delighted with this…..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2465612/Tom-Cruises-daughter-Isabella-makes-sure-stand-bright-hair-colour-London-exhibition-celebrity-photographer-Tyler-Shields.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    • Observer

      Haha, I wonder if it’s a passive-aggressive dig at dear old dad?

    • Funnybroad

      Does she have a tattoo of an alien head on her finger?

      • Funnybroad

        left hand… middle finger

        • media_lush

          heh, heh….. she does have a scientology tattoo somewhere – the interlocking triangle thingy [seen it on other pics]; wonder if it’s there specially for when she flips the bird?

    • Funnybroad

      I didn’t alter this photo… THAT is an alien head!

      • media_lush

        …. yep, she channels Xenu when she flips the bird!

        • Funnybroad

          Ya know… it’s almost like she WANTS someone to notice because of the way she’s holding her hand. (Probably just wishful thinking on my part… but still… a fun thought.)

          • media_lush

            I think she’s at St Martins…. if there’s one thing that English University is famous for is not tolerating wankers…. I’m pretty sure she came across students who were openly critical of her cult…. who knows what she discusses over a few drinks at the uni bar

            • Artoo45

              A half-a-pint of shandy booze at the uni-bar?

      • noseinabk

        Must be new. I dont see it on the pics of her with her boyfriend.

        • Funnybroad

          Me either… I looked. Here’s the other close-up.

    • SandiCorrena

      is he still dating Clint Eastwood’s daughter?#

      • media_lush

        she’s been off radar for quite awhile…. so, no idea; apparently they tried to get her dad into the cult… would have loved to have seen that

        • SandiCorrena

          He did that one “art” piece with her where they blew up a Birken bag; I’m still pissed

          • media_lush

            it’s a shame out scientologycelebrity guy removed most of his posts as he had loads of backstory about this guy….. in essence he said he was a major drug user/secret gay money maker for the cult… there was some hilarious stuff where he showed tweets from the guy’s mother going all redneck and making crazy threats…. it’s a shame it’s no more [whoever this person is I hope they start it up again]. Seeing these two in the same pic you can guarantee there is some serious cult shenanigans going on behind the scenes.

    • Artoo45

      I was a regular over there and was very sorry to see it all end so . . . weirdly. According to the bitter, strange goodbye post, Tony knows who this person was? It was all a bit byzantine and now I’m not so sure I can know what was true and what wasn’t. One thing’s for sure though, it was hella entertaining.

  • stateofcircle

    I am still very confused about Narconon and detox. Narconon can not and does not do detox in their actual Narconon facilities, and they farm it out to licensed detox facilities such as A Forever Recovery and others. I know that they have some licensed detox facilities that work in conjunction with the Narconons, but, as far as I know, not all Narconon’s have a “sister” facility and send patients to a detox not affiliated with them. And, as far as I know, they send patients to a detox facility sparingly. Having seen the effects of withdrawal various times, with various people and substances, I can not comprehend admitting patients without medical detox of any kind or the presence of a psychiatrist and/or medical doctor – it has been proven many times that there is no actual medical doctor at these facilities on a regular basis, and the ones listed on paperwork are pretty much for show and/or pop in occasionally. Now, I know it’s possible to withdrawal without the help of medical detox, it isn’t a requirement and it happens all the time, but withdrawal is incredibly severe, and not having any access to any meds to ease symptoms, calm the patient down, get them to sleep, etc seems ridiculously unsafe to me, and I don’t understand how not having a licensed psychiatrist AND medical doctor there AT ALL TIMES when these patients are essentially throwing their bodies and minds into shock is even legal. How in God’s name does anyone survive those first few days at Narconon? If I was going through withdrawal and someone told me to do some ridiculous TR and even more ridiculous touch assist, then gave me a shit load of niacin and threw my ass in a sauna, I’d punch them in the face* and run out of there as fast as I could (*I do not condone violence and only write this to illustrate the extreme emotions of my opinion). What is the “withdrawal unit” like? Who gets staffed there? What “processes” are the staff supposed to conduct? Dwanyers13 mentioned in an earlier post, and I agree, that Narconon/Scientology is incapable of looking at the individual and only offers a “one size fits all” program, which in and of itself precludes any sort of compassion, empathy or sincerity. So, unless you’re sent to a separate detox facility, you have no choice but to suffer horrible withdrawal for days with absolutely no medication to even help you calm down or sleep, you can not talk to the doctor or psychiatrist if you need help unless that is the 2 hour window that they are actually there, the staff taking “care” of you pretty much only has a “script” in which to deal with you and answer any of your questions – not to mention the fact that they are most likely not trained in drug counseling (if they do happen to have a cert there’s a good chance it’s fraudulent in some way); are most likely fresh out of rehab themselves; are most likely under pressure to get their stats up by “converting” you to Scientology and will do so by any means necessary, which could even be offering you drugs; and have zero capacity for empathy, compassion or even human understanding. Because of all this, I truly, truly do not understand how there are any Narconon’s in operation (after all, as much as we hate it and know what a horrible place it is, they somehow manage at least a little success in treating people and getting former patients to stay on and work for them) and everyone who sets foot in there runs far, far away after their 2nd day; and how on God’s green earth it is legal.

    • Missionary Kid

      Best answer: They lie like hell, and deceive everyone they can to keep things going. IMO, it’s KNW – Keep NarCONon Working – at all costs.

    • SandiCorrena

      How do they survive those first few days? IMO its not about if they survive; its about no refunds even if they don’t. Great info by the way! Ty

  • Just Dee

    Off topic – Leah Remini tweeted that she will be on the Arsenio Hall show tonight. I looked it up and it’s on at 11:00 eastern time on WPIX, if anyone is interested

    • nottrue

      Leah Remini will be on The Arsenio Hall show tonight in LA at 1100pm on channel 5 KTLA. Who knows she might say something good. Good spot just dee thanks

    • aurora50

      Here is a link to the main CBS site, about his new show. I thought he was great, back in the day, and had no idea he had returned.

      http://www.cbstvd.com/shows.aspx?showID=82

      He used to be a very sharp dude; this will be interesting. Nene Leaks is also on the same show and she is a total uninhibited hoot! assume they will all be gathering ‘on a couch’ as the evening progresses.

      Please, someone out there with the skills, post us the show when it is up!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Just Dee: I posted below links to Luke Catton’s sites, but I would suggest you contact those at the narcononreviews.net site personally. They can help you privately get the facts on the exact rehab facilitiy, information about what police precinct, court system, etc. feeds that rehab, perhaps do some checks to particularly nail down Why that officer would recommend Narconon. That would be the first bit of information you need to handle their objections so they can look further.
      http://www.narcononreviews.net

      Talk to the experts on this rather than try to just wing it on your own. They have the information and years of research and information and could help you find out about the police referral and go from there.

      here’s what i posted several pages ago, so you have Luke’s sites too.

      Just Dee: Please include this link to Lucas Catton’s website. Tell he was President and became a
      whistleblower and advocate and was featured on NBC along with what is now a parade of whistleblowers. He is familiar with all of the channels where customers were obtained, including the court system and police. They need to understand why a police would recommend. I can understand that, so it seems That needs to be addressed.

      http://www.haveyoutoldall.com/
      and this site includes contact info:

      http://www.lucascatton.com/

      • Just Dee

        Thank you very much THDNE. This situation does really bother me, for more than one reason. I appreciate the information!

  • Sandy

    Someone commented yesterday (I believe) that the comments at Marty’s might get interesting. Well, wow. The whole flavor of that site has changed. They used to be rabid Hubbardists. Not so much now (altho the comment count is way, way down). Go Marty. He apparently has turned quite a corner.

    • Sandy

      I suspect this is why he turned over the torch to Rinder. Mike is “still there”. But, Marty no longer wants to be a team player. He may still do audits, but, he is not drinking the Koolade as before

      • pronoia

        Somehow I don’t think Mike is completely uncritical of Hubbard either. He is in a harder position because all he has ever known – from childhood – is scientology. And he is no spring chicken. But I think it was a smart move to pass the indie torch to him. He is more well known in scientologystan and has better PR skills. Plus he has a lovely wry sense of humor.

    • Dee Fogger

      Yes, Marty has slowly been peeling the onion and more than a few of his followers are tagging along. Good for him. I wonder if he regrets the amazing ‘Ode to L Ron Hubbard’?
      http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/an-ode-to-l-ron-hubbard/

      • Artoo45

        Thanks Dee, I can’t unsee those pictures from The Ron Encyclopedia, Volume 15, “Beatnik Ron.”

        • Dee Fogger

          Bwahahaha! My favorite is this one where he’s channeling the Grinch for future use in ‘Thank you for listening’.

    • Artoo45

      It’s a long road out of Clamville, but he seems to be making the journey. He seems to see himself as a spiritual seeker now. I think that if he can really face the people he’s hurt over the years, it would be his (and his antagonist’s) ultimate liberation. I hope he makes that terrifying/freeing trip someday, for all concerned.

  • Kim O’Brien

    OK ..now i am pissed . I am a recruiter for a living ..i place health care professionals ..mostly docs and specialty RN ‘s. Never , ever, ever, in my entire career …have i ever worked with a nurse who had her lisc revoked for drugs. EVER. They are un placeable . Several nurses can have what is called a letter of admonition against their lisc. Those usually happen when a seasoned nurse … say an ICU or CVICU nurse …takes it upon herself / himself to administer medication to the patient …that has already been deemed part of their medical care ..and dispense it to the patient before the doctor signs off . Letters of admonition can also be given if say ..the nurses charting skills are not good with the new computer system and she/he can chart something wrong and that can cost the hospital $$ and at times put the patient at risk . Stealing drugs from a hospital , or a script pad from a doc …will fuck you FOREVER. If she took it upon herself to take a break and get help ..that is one thing. She flat out got caught ..most likely stealing pain meds from her patients …who were in pain . I am stunned that she got her lisc back but i can promise you it came with a ton of restrictions which is why she worked for a place that is not regulated by the nursing board. They don’t even let you be a school nurse for crying out loud .

    Other medical pros can be in recovery and get their creds back . Pharmacists have a high rate of pros in recovery …OK if you are a retail pharmacist but NEVER if you are a hospital/compounding pharmacist. This woman …should have NEVER been there . A director of nursing ( DON ) has certain certifications they get due to their past specialties ( ICU , PACU ,ER, MedSurg , Tele , CCU ) these will need to have BLS, ACLS , NIH stroke, TNCC and sometimes PALS . I can go on a national lisc verification site and KNOW everything i need to about a nurses lisc issues . I am so disgusted

    • Casabeca

      Thank you for the very interesting part of the story!

    • aegerprimo

      Thank you for posting this info. I was wondering about the particulars of a RN who stole controlled substances, got her license revoked… then years later got it back? Seemed “fishy” to me. I am a healthcare professional, and agree with your statement – “Stealing drugs from a hospital , or a script pad from a doc …will fuck you FOREVER.”

      • Kim O’Brien

        She lost her lisc for 10 years..then posted it online . That means Monster , Career Builder or even craigslist ( holy shit ..i bet that was it ! ) Having been in this career for 12 years , i can tell you that you do not find the type of healthcare providers that you entrust with your children, at their most vulnerable point of addiction …on the a resume bank web site

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks Kim. This is very detailed. I regret I forget who posted earlier that DON’s are scarce because of all they must know and be responsible for and it’s not worth it for what they get paid. Big Bingo! That’s OSA’s job to find Exactly that kind of weak link in the system. Yes, they are That insidious and vile.

    • pronoia

      Looks like they found her ruin.

    • Sidney18511

      My middle daughter is going to school to become a nurse and one of the FIRST things she learned is any drug offense and you will kiss your nursing career goodby. Forever.

  • Winston Bell

    Attorneys Jeff Ray and Ray Jeffrey. Weird. But I like them both.

  • SandiCorrena

    Leah on Arsenio tonight

  • Sunny Sands

    Rep. Bill Young of Indian Shores, FL died today. Indian Shores is less than 30 minutes from Flag. Back in 1997, lots of scieno celebrities, including Travolta and Chick Correa, were pressuring legislators to pass a resolution criticizing Germany for its treatment of scientology. Rep. Young helped shoot down that resolution.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      It’s all over the news here. I had a lot of beefs with Rep Young, but we shared veterans group activities here and there. He did a great deal over his 43 years to help veterans especially those returning to civil life and those in need so I have to give him huge props for that. He did this in times when it was popular and supported and he did it in times when it was very much not. I found him to be a man who cared in his heart. I did Not find him a man who kept up with many things in too many areas, and I had my disagreements but he was consistent and dedicated. He had his own rich history and no matter what, he was an honorable man to those he served. RIP

  • SandiCorrena

    I like Mike rinder so much-he was describing the empty Pasadena org was “all theta no mest”-lololol!

  • Cat Daddy
    • aegerprimo

      Ex-Sea Org Helpline.
      1-800-866-EX-SEAORG
      Reclaim your Life! Information for those leaving the Sea Organization of Scientology. Find your friends, accommodation, jobs.

    • Snippy_X

      Wow, great! I never saw that before. Great tune. Long cat is long.

      • Cat Daddy

        Long Cat is Long indeed

  • Sunny Sands

    At ESMB, there is a thread about scientology whale Bruce Patterson dying in Clearwater about a week ago. He was 63. His home was Austin, TX and he had been ill for 5 or 6 years.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?33544-Another-OT-and-Big-Donor-Whale-Passes-On

    • Cat Daddy

      And poof goes the Austin Org’s existance

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      sad news. kind ive been hoping not to hear…whales on their last leg, carting their oxygen tanks behind them, knocking on the locked super power doors, for their miracle cures. More deaths while Miscavige is carrying the baton. I hope there arent others and thats why he has been no show.

      • Poison Ivy

        The article says the Pattersons gave millions to Super Power.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          yes, they were texas whales. I understand his wife is battling cancer too. I am surprised he was allowed to be at flag in his condition.

  • aurora50

    Scheduling news on the Jason Beghe show:

    “Chicago Fire spinoff Chicago PD will take over the Wednesday at 10 p.m. slot [NBC] starting Jan. 8.”

    • Poison Ivy

      Great news!

      • aurora50

        Watching him develop that character on Chicago Fire has been a treat…such ambiguity…sort of a compelling menace…
        I haven’t picked it up yet this season; Hulu gives me fits these days with the 5 mins of ads every 10 mins…but will put up with all that and more to watch Jason B come January!

  • noseinabk

    Leah was hilarious on Arsenio show. They showed the dance and he said it was very powerful. He knows why she did it but they tip toed around it.

    • Snippy_X

      Yes, she was funny. I like the way Arsenio didn’t avoid the topic but spoke about “it” in cloaked language just enough to maybe get some people to look into it.

      • Elen

        I’m guessing he was respecting her wishes. Someone around here mentioned that her PR people probably told her to cool it on the SCN for now. But boy, she looked really good, and very happy…almost “light”, if that makes sense!

        • SandiCorrena

          I think she is a master at speaking volumes without having to say much at all!

      • noseinabk

        How cool that he was watching her show and twitter at the same time and he knew what was going on.

        • Snippy_X

          Very cool!

    • SandiCorrena

      It was so great and really pretty thorough; somehow not saying the word Scientology SCREAMS “crazy cult”!!!!!!!!

  • Cat Daddy
    • AntoineDoinel

      Gosh, too sexy for Scientology, maybe?

  • noseinabk
    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      tks! glad she is getting the message out that she is doing all this to show her daughter what it means to be strong in the face of adversity and that is part of live to get it wrong some times. It is Not the end of the workd as we know it or mean you must be some crazed and evil SP.

    • Sibs

      I’m so happy for Leah. Especially after she talked about seeing her daughter crossing her fingers in the audience. Even if she leaves the show next week she’s in a much better mental place now than she was months ago. I think THDNE covered everything else in her comment.

      (PHEW, that took a lot of work to finally get Disqus to log me in on this site.)

      • Verve

        If she goes home next week, she has already won. She and her family have moved on and she’s showing others that they can move on, too. Her style and class has made her very accessible for people to empathize with her, unlike a certain Twitter account of another actress. She’s thoroughly won over the heart of The Bunker, a group that is 2nd only to Anonymous/WPP in fighting the good fight. It’s amazing how many names I recognize now since joining The Bunker in the comments section of online $ci stories/articles.

    • jeff

      Wow….Arsenio’s really skinny now.

  • Cat Daddy
    • jeff

      Hadn’t seen that before…great!

    • AsthmaticDwarf

      “I lost the ability to think for myself.”

      – Michael Fairman, Actor: General Hospital. Michael Fairman is a veteran of film, stage and television, with a career spanning more than 40 years

    • Interested Bystander

      THIS is the ad they should be running during super bowl games.

  • SandiCorrena

    I dream that every where Leah pops up becomes in the mind of Kirstie some place thats “dead to her” because she is going to run out of places – Leah does ROAR!!!!!

  • jeff
  • AntoineDoinel

    Karen, thanks for your badass, keen everything. Oh, my stars ~ how pointed and thorough are your videos and postings… Thanks and warm thoughts to you.

  • Cat Daddy
  • AsthmaticDwarf

    From drug addiction to poor eyesight, Lafayette Ronald H. could show $cientology had a cure; and if it didn’t work, it was your fault. Sample auditing session in Life Repair Rundown:

    “About a week later, Valerie used some of the prepared lists of questions for the Life Repair
    Rundown to handle my eyesight, because she noticed that I wore glasses all of the time.

    But before I ran the process, Valerie wanted me to learn the truth about how we really see.

    In L. Ron Hubbard’s Professional Auditor’s Bulletin Number 111, dated 1 May 1957, Ron
    states
    :

    “It is interesting to know that a thetan doesn’t look through his eyeballs. He has two little
    gold discs, one in front of each eye lens. They are not the lenses of the eyes, but, as you might say,
    mocked-up energy
    . They are little gold discs that are super-imposed over the eye, and he looks
    through these. The eyeballs merely serve to locate these discs.”[18]

    Once I understood that wearing the eyeglasses on my body had nothing whatsoever to do
    with my ability to see, I was ready to run the repetitive process, whereby Valerie asked me the same
    question over and over again, with my hands holding the soup cans of the E-Meter, until I had a
    “win” and a major cognition.

    “What have you done that cannot be seen?”, Valerie repeated over and over.

    • q-bird

      “It is interesting to know…” Yes, it is always interesting read a Hubbturd quote AZ.

      I did not know thetans had eyes… good to know.

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        The $cientology cure for polio:

        If you would make anyone well, you must then concentrate upon
        an increase of ability, an increase of understanding. The only reason
        bad things come to Life is because understanding has impressed
        further life into them. When an individual faces some secret, the fact
        that he is facing it and injecting life into it alone causes the secret to
        activate and have force in action. The only way a bad situation in
        existence can continue to have life is by taking life from nearby sources
        of communication. The bad things of life, then, have life only to that
        degree that understanding is invested in them. We have an example in
        polio_myelitis, which was at one time an extremely minor and unheard-of
        illness. By various publications, by a great deal of advertising, by many
        invitations to combat this illness, it is made to take prominence and
        manifest itself in this society. The only life, actually, which polio_myelitis
        has is the amount of life which can be invested in polio_myelitis. Yet,
        polio_myelitis, one thinks, would exist and continue its way if it were
        ignored. If one were to go on ignoring polio_myelitis, now that one
        knows about polio_myelitis, yes, this would be the case. It indeed would
        continue to exist even though everyone was studiously ignoring it. As a
        matter of fact it would get worse. If, however, it were to be completely
        understood, and if an ability on the part of individuals existed by which
        they could face it without having to resist it, then the matter would be
        solved
        .

        • Sibs

          So he also basically implying that the only reason polio exists is because there was a conspiracy to make the idea of the disease famous. Also the usual “the disease is all in your head” bullshit.

  • dagobarbz

    In the late 90s I ran a website called ‘narcononvictims.com.’ Many people who came to that forum mentioned lawsuits against Per Wickstrom’s Narconon Stone Hawk. There were also many complaints to the state Attorney General, but as far as I know, nothing ever came of any of this, because the state was just unresponsive.

    Per Wickstrom’s karma is such that, when it comes down on him I don’t want to be anywhere nearby. Kinda like when that supervolcano in Yellowstone blows. Don’t want to be in the neighborhood that week.

    Yes I did equate Wickstrom’s karma with a supervolcano. And I stand by it. (from a distance)

  • richelieu jr

    The fat Squirrel Buster at the bottom of Marty’s stairs looks like Cartman.. Look how his eyebrows slant in like a carton of evil venality!

  • richelieu jr

    Miscavige against the bright, baby blue background looks like a diminutive game show host..

    “It’s Your Money AND Your LIfe! With your host, the many who put corny on the CoB, the being little in belittling, and you 12 year old in the SeaOrg, a man nearly tall enough to go on this ride, Rabid David Miscavige! ‘Your Money AND Your Life!’ is brought to you by the Church of Scientology, “Hey lady, my cans are down here!”, for the man wants to used to have had everything and the woman who’s just tired of giving hersefl so many attempted abortions.. Ladies and gentlemen, it’s time to loiter with the man with the goiter, to ass yourself, “Why’s that ass got that ascot?’, the an with your food in his cupboard, Mr L Ron Hubbard! JUst joling, he’s till on vaction in the sunny, balmy Van Allen Belt before taking a nice trip to Venus, Hey, Hubby, watch out for locomotives! And now, take it away, David Miscavige!”

  • California

    i know this is repetitive but it bears saying: Narconons need to be shut down world wide, beginning in the U.S.

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