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JENNA HILL RESPONDS TO BARBARA WALTERS ON SCIENTOLOGY EDUCATION

BeyondBeliefOn Tuesday, Barbara Walters once again came to the rescue for Scientology, this time sticking up for the church’s “educational programs” on The View.

Whoopi Goldberg started the discussion by bringing up Jaden Smith’s infamous tweet, in which the 15-year-old actor encouraged kids to drop out of school. Jenny McCarthy then brought up Scientology, which the Smith family has been said to dabble in. At that point, Walters spoke up, saying, “I’m not going to speak about Scientology in general, but Scientology has a pretty good educational program. They’re not telling people to drop out.”

That surprised Sherri Shepherd, who remembered that the program had recently had a guest who said just the opposite. “She said they pulled her out and put her in a camp. What kind of school is that? It’s like it was a hard labor camp. She built the doggone — the huts that they lived in.”

Shepherd was speaking, of course, of Jenna Miscavige Hill, who had visited The View in February. And Jenna has a message for Barbara Walters.

In February, William Morrow published Jenna’s memoir, Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology And My Harrowing Escape, and she went on a major publicity tour, whose first stop was The View.

We thought at the time it was interesting that Walters, a longtime Scientology apologist, was not on the show.

But Shepherd was there, and clearly, Jenna’s tale about the way young Scientologists are made to do hard, manual labor, and the way education is an afterthought in the church, made an impression on her.

But Walters would have none of it. “I have been to some of the Scientology schools and some of their education programs are very good. The last thing I want to do is argue about Scientology,” she said.

 

 
Well, Barbara, Jenna has some words for you. She sent them to us, but she wrote them directly to the newswoman…

 

With all due respect, saying that Scientology has a very good education system is an incredibly ignorant and irresponsible thing to say on your platform and for that reason I feel that I have to say something about it.

Without getting into the details of my childhood and the dangers of Scientology’s education system I will say this.

The leader of Scientology, Tom Cruise’s best man, my uncle David Miscavige, is a high school dropout. What does that say about the value Scientology puts on education? Is this not what Jaden Smith is advocating?

As Sherri Shepherd rightly pointed out, I myself was born into Scientology. And instead of being properly educated, I was indoctrinated into Scientology and made to do heavy labor daily from the age of six years old. I have no high school education, and college was never even a vague possibility for me until I escaped.

Scientology values its “educational system” because of its ability to recruit new members into its ranks. I’m guessing it worked for Jaden Smith.

I don’t know what propaganda you have seen or what your celebrity advocate friends have told you, but it’s time to look a little deeper. If you don’t want to know the truth (which I gather is the case from you saying you “don’t want to talk about Scientology”) then please refrain from praising a system you clearly know nothing about.

Although Scientology’s educational system is one of its most disconcerting aspects because it involves children, it is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Scientology’s deception and abuse.

 
We have a feeling Walters won’t be heeding Jenna’s words. We noticed the following exchange on Twitter happened just a week ago, which helps explains where Barbara is coming from….

 
TomBarbaraTweets

 
Play back that footage from The View, and you’ll notice another interesting exchange. Near the end, Sherri Shepherd tells Barbara that she ought to believe what she’s saying about the church: “Believe it, because they’ll get you!” It was a clear reference to Scientology’s reputation for retaliation. But Walters was quick to stomp on that notion: “No that’s not true…You just shouldn’t say things like that.”

Oh, Barbara. Maybe it’s time The View had on Lori Hodgson. Or Mike Rinder. Or Monique Rathbun. Just a thought.

 
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Jonny Jacobsen on Scientology’s Belgian Problem

Another day, another setback in court for Scientology. In this case, the European Court of Human Rights has rejected a petition by the church, and our man in Paris, Jonny Jacobsen, helps us understand what is going on over there…

 

The European Court of Human Rights has dismissed a complaint from Scientology against Belgian officials for their comments on an ongoing investigation of the movement there.

Jonny Jacobsen

Jonny Jacobsen

Briefly, Scientology was arguing its right to a fair trial had been breached by comments made by Belgian prosecutors. The ECHR pointed out that since the trial had not yet taken place, the church’s complaint was a little premature. The Strasbourg-based court ruled the application inadmissible and that decision is final.

Scientology’s complaint was over news reports of an investigation that Belgium opened back in 1997 into alleged fraud and embezzlement at the Brussels-registered ASBL Eglise de Scientologie.

Scientology filed a series of five criminal complaints in Belgium against β€œperson or persons unknown,” saying its right to be considered innocent until found guilty had been violated by the news reports, which, between 1999 and 2007, quoted state prosecutors. Belgian authorities shelved each one of the complaints.

In 2007, the Belgian prosecutor’s office filed charges against 12 individuals and — rather more importantly for the movement — two Scientology organizations.

Scientology went to the court of appeal the same year to argue that the proceedings against it should be thrown out, again complaining about prosecutors being quoted in news reports. Belgium’s Court of Appeal rejected the church’s complaint, and another appeal on points of law was dismissed the following year.

A hearing to set a pretrial timetable for Belgian prosecution was adjourned in 2010 but the case is still active.

This is not the only case that Belgian prosecutors have brought against Scientology.

As we reported last December, they are also going after them on charges of fraud, the illegal practice of medicine, breach of privacy and extortion.

Thanks for that summary, Jonny.

 
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RutherfordResponse from The Rutherford Institute

We reported earlier that two organizations had filed amicus briefs to Scientology’s petition to the US Supreme Court in its lawsuit with Laura DeCrescenzo, who is suing the church over the way she was mistreated as a Sea Org employee, including being forced to have an abortion at 17. We told you that the Episcopal Church was unhappy once one of our readers notified it that the National Council of Churches, of which it is a member, had provided an amicus letter in support of Scientology. The other organization that filed a letter was The Rutherford Institute, which tends to file a lot of such letters in what it considers First Amendment issues. One of our readers wrote to the Institute, explaining that Scientology’s complaints about priest-penitent privilege were really cover for what it was really trying to do — keep under wraps thousands of pages resulting from interrogations of DeCrescenzo, which would have included intimate details of her private life, and which were shared among more than 250 church officials.

But the Rutherford Institute was not swayed. Here’s the message it sent to our reader, with no name attached…

With respect to our amicus brief in support of the Scientology v. DeCrescenzo cert petition, as a civil liberties and civil rights organization, we are interested in ensuring the protection of individual rights in any form they may take. Particularly, since our founding in 1982 we have had a specific focus on defending religious liberty rights under the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The issue in this particular case turned on whether the Church of Scientology could properly invoke the penitent-clergy evidentiary privilege rule that keeps confidential certain communications between penitents and clergy members of the church. In the lower court, the California Superior Court ruled that the privilege was vitiated by virtue of the fact that the privileged information was transmitted from one clergyman to another clergyman within the church. We argued, and it is our belief that, in reaching this determination that the privilege is destroyed simply by the transmission of the privileged information between clergymen, without any inquiry into the reason or justification for the transmission, the court sets a dangerous precedent. Many religions, including Scientology, Mormons, and other Christian sects like Methodists, are not limited to a traditional one-on-one Catholic-style clergy-penitent relationship, and it is often the case that either for the purpose of advice and counsel or for reasons of seeking absolution, privileged information will be transmitted from one clergyman to another. We believe that the court’s ruling that the privilege is destroyed in such a circumstance represents discrimination among the different religions, which the First Amendment cannot tolerate. With regard to your specific concerns about the fact that the privilege is being invoked only by the Church and not by Ms. DeCrescenzo, prior court precedent has clearly held that the privilege can be invoked by either party, and for good reason — in giving absolution, clergymen often also share very personal, private, and privileged faith-based information, and the threat that such information could potentially be revealed might hinder the genuineness and effectiveness of the absolution-seeking process.

While we understand that you might have concerns about the motivations and practices of the Scientology religion specifically, our interest in this case is broader than any single religion or practice, and instead our argument focuses on the fact that the decision results in an unconstitutional denominational preference, favoring one group of religions over another. We strongly support the legal principle that we argue in favor of in our petition — that the privilege should be extended evenly to religious practices evenly, without favoring or disfavoring any religion because of the manner in which they engage in clergy-penitent communications.

Thank you for your thoughts on this, and we hope that you continue to read our articles and remain interested in what we do.

Scientology’s petition to the Supreme Court is being considered along with more than 850 others on September 30, during which only a small number of petitions will be selected to go on to the next level. A hearing on summary judgment is scheduled in the DeCrescenzo lawsuit in Los Angeles on October 23.

 
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Under the Big Tent

We wanted to clear up a misunderstanding that seems to have arisen about the purpose for the giant tent that Scientology has erected on a parking lot southeast of the Super Power Building in Clearwater, Florida.

That tent was the same one that was erected each fall in East Grinstead, England for the annual International Association of Scientologists (IAS) gala, one of the three really large-scale events the church holds each year (besides New Year’s Eve and L. Ron Hubbard’s Birthday around March 13).

This year, for some reason, Scientology leader David Miscavige decided to hold the IAS gala in Clearwater, and had the giant tent sent by ship from England. It’s a major and mysterious move, and we are still not sure why he made the change. Last year’s event in England was infiltrated by a reporter from the British paper The Sun which infuriated the church so much, it successfully intimidated the newspaper into taking down its article about the stunt.

 

A previous IAS gala, under the tent in England

A previous IAS gala, under the tent in England

 
Whatever the reason, the tent came to Florida and the IAS event was scheduled for November 8 and 9. The tent will hold between 1,500 and 2,000 people, which is about the size of past IAS events. (In order to make room for the tent, two healthy live-oak trees were removed, even after the city denied the church permission to do so. We then interviewed one of the felled trees.)

In a separate move, the church also announced that it would finally be opening its Super Power Building (formally known as the “Flag Building”), which has been under construction for 15 years. The building is the size of a full city block and sits across the street from the Fort Harrison Hotel, the central location of Scientology’s spiritual mecca. Scientology told the city of Clearwater that it intended to hold a grand opening ceremony on October 6, and it expected 10,000 people to attend. The church was going to request street and sidewalk closures for that event, and it was assumed that the mass of those people would be out on the street between the Fort Harrison Hotel and the Super Power Building on Fort Harrison Avenue.

Whether the Super Power grand opening of October 6 was also going to make use of the IAS tent in some way was one of the things the city presumably was going to find out when it required Scientology to submit information on Wednesday in order to qualify for permits. But instead, the church decided to postpone the Super Power event indefinitely.

At this point, the IAS gala in the big tent is still scheduled for November 8 and 9, although, naturally, we’ll be interested to see if that date holds up as well.

But one thing is clear — the church never said that it was going to try to fit 10,000 people into the tent for the Oct 6 Super Power event. We’ve seen a lot of confusion in the comments over this, so we’ll say it again: the tent was brought over and erected for the IAS event on November 8. The cancellation of the Super Power event on October 6 does not affect the tent. And we’ll never know if the tent was going to be used at all for the Super Power event since the church never submitted detailed plans for the grand opening.

The permit for the tent is good through January, and Mike Rinder has said he suspects the IAS gala also may be delayed and all of these new developments — the Super Power opening, the IAS gala, the debut of the Golden Age of Technology Phase II, and the New Year’s Celebration may all get rolled into one event on December 31. We’ll certainly be watching to see if that’s the case.

 
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Lori Hodgson Loses Her Kids to Scientology

Another powerful video from Karen de la Carriere, J. Swift, and Angry Gay Pope.

 

 
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Mark Ebner on Leah Remini

Our old friend Mark Ebner is his inimitable self on Alison Hope Weiner’s show, which we have also guested on. Watching Mark reminded us that when the British TV crew that made Scientologists at War was here last fall, they asked your proprietor and Ebner to sit down together in a restaurant, and they filmed us swapping war stories. It was a lot of fun, and maybe it’s for the best it didn’t make it into the show. But we certainly enjoyed it. Anyway, here’s Ebner’s appearance on Media Mayhem…

 

 
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A Special Thanks

If you’ve read our original post regarding our “Donate” button, you know that for journalistic reasons we have a system set up with attorney Scott Pilutik so that we are kept from knowing who’s donating to the Bunker. But we wanted to acknowledge, in general, the many people who chipped in during our trip to Texas. We’re hoping to take more trips in the future (but for security reasons, we don’t like to discuss them until they happen), and your donations make that eyewitness reporting possible. Our deepest thanks for your support.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 20, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Really nice update Tony.

    I love how Jenna pulls no punches and is so straightforward with her response. Go Jenna.

    Since scientology specializes in lying and round-about obfuscation when they say anything in the press, and will promote one unsuspecting villager getting one touch-assist as “ANOTHER AFRICAN COUNTRY OPENED TO SCIENTOLOGY”, straight blunt tell-it-exactly-like-it-is from ex-members who saw it from the inside reveals the duplicity.

    • KJP in Portland

      Spot on, Mike!

    • KJP in Portland

      Spot on, Mike!

  • DamOTclese2

    Here is Radar Online covering Walter’s fiasco. Also I see that Walters is getting some education on her Facebook page.

    • Mooser

      Here is Radar Online covering….”

      Once again, Evelyn Wood stands me in good stead. I got the gist!

  • Cymboli

    Barbara Walters is just another elitist hack who considers anything that interferes with her agenda an inconvenience. She doesn’t care if she has to walk all over someone if it means that she can continue to throw soft ball questions at A Listers like Will Smith and Tom Cruise. Interviews with them bring in a ton of advertisement dollars and she knows it. So what if she has to lie to keep her and the networks gravy train running. She may be an inspiration to women everywhere but she has no ethics.

    • 1subgenius

      On the other hand, she’ll probably die soon.

  • KJP in Portland

    I must be guilty as several others here: I lose half my night’s sleep because I stay up reading all your great comments here at The Bunker. It’s like the best TV show on the television and it never ends! Yawn…(watery eyes and more yawns)

    • 1subgenius

      Two words: crystal meth.

      • Missionary Kid

        Yeah, but he wouldn’t process the information well.

  • kemist

    “I have been to some of the Scientology schools and some of their education programs are very good. ”

    ORLY ?

    I wonder how many study “tech” graduates can do calculus.

    Or, let’s be a little less demanding, how many of them can manage basic algebra, statistics and trigonometry.

    I’m having a very hard time imagining how such wondrous techniques as obsessively perusing dictionaries and playing with clay can help someone with things like math, where you have to actually practice to understand. Or how someone who obviously couldn’t even learn math himself could hope to devise an effective technique to teach it. Because that’s what scientology’s “education” program is actually promoting, you idiotic woman. That and total disrespect for any subject that isn’t scientology.

    Do you ‘merikans have state-based tests at the high school level ? If so I’d be curious as to how abysmally Scientology school students score in this respect. Those that don’t drop out to go to labor camp, that is.

    But we don’t need no stinkin’ math, it’s only mest. There’s only the totality of the modern world technological prowess that depends on it after all.

    • stillgrace

      How many Sea Orgers can balance their check book? …. oh wait!

      • Rita Gregory

        Bahahahahaha!

      • jmh

        Ba dum ba! Good one!

      • 1subgenius

        wow

    • Alpha2

      Calculus? LRH said calculus was hogwash! Why would he permit it to be taught?

    • Alpha2

      With regard to standardized testing, scientology schools test very poorly

    • 1subgenius

      “I have been to some of the Scientology schools and some of their education programs are very good. ”

      Orly?
      Dox or GTFO. On second thought just GTFO.
      So, going to a Scientology school (supposedly) is all that it takes to evaluate an “education program”.
      Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
      Now THAT’S jounalism!!!

  • DamOTclese2

    “Belgium, man! Belgium!” — Zaphod Beeblebrox

    According to the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy the word “Belgium” is the worse obscenity in the galaxy. I have to smile, wondering if that is in fact true in David’s little head.

    • Mooser

      Hercule Poirot would know how to deal with the Sci-loons!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      lol, when ever faced with a question that I have no answer for………my standard go to is still (and always will be), 42.

      • DamOTclese2

        0x42 is always the default initialization value for all of my integers in my software. πŸ™‚ If there’s a 0x42 in my hex dumps, I know my data is initialized. πŸ™‚

        • Gregory Nietsky

          i use 0xDEADBEEF

          • DamOTclese2

            Yeah, which is why I use 0x42. πŸ™‚ So many people use 0xDEADBEEF that when their libraries and shared kernel objects are linked in, I can tell their variable space apart from my own.

            • Gregory Nietsky

              true that

      • Missionary Kid

        Jackie Robinson’s number on his uniform: 42

    • kemist

      I wish Douglas Adams had started a cult instead of the terrible writer that was LRH.

      It would probably have involved advice about carrying your towel everywhere. And its members would actually enjoy reading scripture.

      • DamOTclese2

        And we would all go around barefoot because of, you know, those things down there, those things you can’t mention that you walk on. πŸ™‚ (The Shoe Event Horizon) πŸ™‚

        • Gregory Nietsky

          thank you for the fish

      • media_lush

        FYI
        he was the first person in the UK to own a macintosh computer (Stephen Fry was the second)

        • Sherbet

          I love Stephen Fry. I want to hug him. And I think he needs it. Has he ever said anything about scientology that you’ve encountered, ‘lush?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            for the lulz, Sherb.

          • media_lush

            He actually took the piss out of them when he was hosting the BAFTAS … I put the video up on my bollocks site…. I’ll try and get the exact link for it later on plus a fantastic Stephen Fry bonus I came across today. I’ll put it up as a new post rather than reply here so it’ll be easier to find.

    • Robert Eckert

      We all know that there really is no so-called “Belgium”

      http://zapatopi.net/belgium/

  • Mark

    These Hollywood ‘friendships’ rarely last…

    • Sarah James

      Wife number 4?

  • GlibWog

    OMG RUN OVER TO RADAR ONLINE ( HEARSAY IT) AND COMMENT WITH DISQ IF YOU HAVE IT. glibby

    • thatssotheta

      St. Claire’s over there too! Good times, good times

    • noseinabk
      • GlibWog

        Thank you nose…xo

        • noseinabk

          Your Welcome.

    • Rita Gregory

      Done and commented.

    • DamOTclese2

      It’s great seeing how well the fringes of the Internets are responding to Walters’ sucking-up to Tom Cruise by denying a core “well known behavior” of Scientology. Hope that Walters continues to get hammered — and that she notices. Her aids and handlers probably filter everything out, she probably never sees the truth shoveled out to her like what’s coming her way today.

      • GlibWog

        Yep.. and I’m lovin it! and good for Sherri to get the recognition she deserves!

        • 1subgenius

          Speak truth to power.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Her aids and handlers probably filter everything out, she probably never sees the truth shoveled out to her like what’s coming her way today.

        Sound like someone else we know?

    • Sherbet

      From our own D3: “Barbara Walters is entitled to her own opinion. She is not entitled to her own facts.”

      Love it, Dougie DD!

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Play whack-a-mole with ronbots …

    • Gregory Nietsky

      Nice job folks seems OSA was confronted and shatered expect down votes soon take out your hard hat.

      • GlibWog

        I was just reminded by Bury that OSA is just doing their job.. so I am chillin for a while.. errrrrgh

        • Gregory Nietsky

          yeah indeed but it will sink in hopefully sooner than latter

  • DamOTclese2

    “…and it expected 10,000 people to attend…”

    Always good for a chuckle. πŸ™‚ 10,000. πŸ™‚ That’s literally about one fourth of the criminal organization’s remaining customers world-wide and David honestly, actually thinks he’s going to get a quarter of his customers to fly in internationally as well as across the United States to come to His Big Erection at their own expense? For what?

    Always makes me chuckle when I read this number. Ten thousand. Ha!

    • Missionary Kid

      Since that estimate was made, a lot of $cions have quietly slipped away. I think the number is far lower that 40K.

      • DamOTclese2

        It may be that Scientology has managed to find paying customers in third world countries where Internet is poor to non-existent, but of course that means less revenues. It would be nice to be able to get an updated estimate, yeah.

        • Missionary Kid

          They really aren’t successful in non English Speaking countries.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Their numbers doubled recently when they began counting the thetan and the genetic entity as two separate persons

    • Robert Eckert

      I think it is well over half the members they still have left.

  • DamOTclese2

    Probably the best coverage of Scientology’s disastrous “education program” is offered by Carnegie Mellon Professor David Touretzsky’s Study Tech web site which covers all aspects of the fake front. Literally, Scientology’s “education programs” are designed to ensure that kids are kept stupid and uneducated enough that they grow up to be paying Scientology customers all their lives.

    Be sure to check out the Professor’s Study Tech web site briefly, you’ll see what it really is, what kids like Will Smith’s unfortunate son is getting subjected to, then you’ll see why the kid is spewing Scientology’s party line hatred for education.

  • dbloch7986

    This is what I tweeted her. Seems like no one really took her seriously besides TC. *eye roll*

    • KJP in Portland

      Good job, Derek. You’d be a good interview for Baba Wawa, IF she wanted to practice REAL journalism. Keep up the outstanding work, Derek!

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    WARNING: Off topic but speaking of dedications, parties, celebrities, exes and their families, old fashion journalism and ethics and integrity when reporting on all things $cientology (unlike Baba Wawa and her ilk), do you folks realize that Tony Ortega and the Underground Bunker has a 1st year anniversary coming up shortly?

    Tony’s first blog post in the Bunker (with 96 comments) was dated Sept. 28, 2012. See http://tonyortega.org/2012/09/28/talking-about-the-the-master-on-public-radio/

    And as a reminder of TO’s tremendous success in a short 12 months, which has increased exponentially these past two months, merely judging by the number of reader comments (nevermind the caliber and quantity of sources from deep within the cult and the brilliant posters here in the Bunker), here are his parting words to us at the Village Voice, September 14, 2012:

    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/09/scientology_watchers_a_message_from_tony_ortega.php#Comments

    “To the readers of this blog…

    …..I’ve decided to take advantage of this moment to change directions. Next week will be my last as editor of the Voice; I will be leaving to pursue a book proposal about Scientology in its time of crisis.

    …..I started writing about Scientology seventeen years ago, but in the last two years I tried a new experiment — blogging about Scientology’s many global controversies in a consistent, nearly daily frequency.

    ….Your tips and knowledgeable analysis have made this blog live and breathe. I regret that at least for now, this show is going off the air. But perhaps soon, as I pursue my new goals, I’ll be able to post a story here and there in another venue.”

    I quote and repeat, “post a story here and there…” ROFLMAO!

    Addendum:
    Could anyone Hearsay “used big tent for rent” so that we can hold a first year anniversary party for our Proprietor? I’m sure we can locate one somewhere….. (Please notice that I don’t rent cars NOR tents!)

    On a personal note:
    Bravo Tony O! Bravo!
    (Insert wild standing ovation here.)

    With deep appreciation, gratitude, and respect.
    Your humble servant,
    Cars

    • Whoknew

      Thanks for the reminder, Cars! Def. a cause for celebration!

      I remember being so sad and worried back then. It seems like it turned into a very straight up and vertical, theta year for Tony and all his readers. Congrats and thanks to him! Now we get so many more articles than we he was at VV. And let’s hope he has time to work on his book and is happier than ever.

    • Miss Tia

      Oh we shall need lots of caek!

      • Eclipse-girl

        (and cream puffs and profiteroles)

    • Robert Eckert

      This time last year the Rodeo was created because we were all in agonizing withdrawal and worried that we would lose each other.

  • mpl

    OMG, wtf with Barbara Walters!!

    • Missionary Kid

      She values friendship with personalities over truth.

      • mpl

        TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. I hope Jenna gets through to her.

        • Missionary Kid

          I kind of doubt it. Jenna isn’t a celebrity.

          • mpl

            :

          • Eclipse-girl

            SHE SHOULD BE.

            • Missionary Kid

              A lot more than the fame whores of the Kartrashian and Hilton types. She’s actually done something with her life.

        • Sherbet

          Jenna’s skill in expressing herself has jumped by leaps and bounds in the past 9 months or so. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of her when it comes to damaging Uncle Dave’s reputation. I know she doesn’t do it maliciously, but these are the facts, ma’am.

          • mpl

            Agreed, Sherbet. I read her book, too, and then looked her up to see her testifying on various TV shows. She is completely unafraid and willing to do anything it takes to get her story out there and to help other scn kids. Go, Jenna, go.

          • Sidney18511

            yes sherbet I agree. Jenna has found her voice and grown wings. I am so, so proud of the woman she has become.

    • KJP in Portland

      I know…sad, even for her…

  • Jgg2012

    The reason the priest-penitent privilege was waived in Laura’s case was that the penitent (Laura) waived it. Also, she had hundreds of sec checks–way beyond the typical weekly confessions of Catholics, for example. It would be as if the Catholic Church had someone spy on a paraishioner and made daily inquiries about her motives and whereabouts, way beyond a voluntary confession initiated by the penitent. Finally, the judge can redact or order parts of it confidential. I don;t know what Scott thinks, but I think the Church’s argument would stretch the privilege way beyond anything seen before.

    • Eclipse-girl

      The court should see that the penitent has waved the privilege and allows the records to be entered.

  • Miss Tia

    Oh my goodness!! I made this website like 2 hours ago, then had server problems that took my admin, well 2 hours to figure out!!! Anyway, feedback/suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated!!! I made this website that I’d like to post to Sea Org members, places/sites where they post online. I masked it so it should get past CO$ filters. And no worries re: my home addy, it’s been all over the internets for years and I have security, so it’s okay!!!

    http://misstia.com/lrh.html

    • Elen

      Very nice Miss Tia! I don’t know if the LRH pic has to be so big! It made me nervous! Maybe add in the header “Look & LISTEN”?

      The message is beautifully written and so touching. I love it!

      • Miss Tia

        okay, i can shrink the LRH pix—i just kept it the size it was on that hearsay machine google! πŸ™‚

        would that header be alarming? if they had the site open in a tab, would it ring alarm bells? that’s why went with LRH is great—though i am open for ideas! i would want something they could have open in a tab that wouldn’t seem ‘suspicious’, ya know?

        • Elen

          Good questions… maybe nothing in the header to get them into trouble…. I’m sure there are many others here that have better insights & ideas. It will be great Miss Tia! Yay for you!

          • Miss Tia

            i can make the header empty for now…..

            Edit: i mean make the title empty, oh fiddlestix….it defaults to misstia.com/lrh.html….i gotta put something there….hmmmm….i’m gonna go with Fall is Approaching right now until someone comes up with a better suggestion or i think of something else…..something mundane that wouldn’t be alarming in a tab or browsing window….

            • Elen

              The header is fine! I was just thinking in the language that might help those looking read on… but there is nothing wrong with your header!

            • Miss Tia

              okay, i don’t want something alarming in the title only for THEIR sake, ya know?

            • Interested

              What you have done is amazing. I hope it works to save some souls.

            • Miss Tia

              thanks!! I’ll keep getting suggestions/feedback and start posting it probably sunday….i’ll tweet it, post it on tampa bay’s site in comments and stories online where i know they’re told to post pro-CO$ comments—such as when the hollywood reporter writes about CO$, etc…..

      • Miss Tia

        Shrunk LRH, is that better? I don’t wanna make him DM size! πŸ˜‰

        • Elen

          Oh yes indeed! Perfect! It certainly gives more space to your message which is most important!

    • KJP in Portland

      Bravo! I bow to Miss Tia. I support you in your efforts tremendously. Maybe your masking will enable them to get through and READ it.

      • Miss Tia

        I hope!! I also figured I’d give the mail option because we know how difficult it is for them to get to a phone. That’s why I even said I’d pay the postage as they might not even be able to get to a stamp. But if they get a note to me I’ll get a call placed for them to whomever they wish.

        • KJP in Portland

          Before I go to sleep here (finally), maybe there’s a way that I and some of the other people here can help. Think about it and let us all know. I should be back by 9pm Eastern tonight. Snooze time.

          • Miss Tia

            Well, spread the word, and if you know of any site where it would be good to post it to in the comments, etc let me know! πŸ™‚

    • Krista

      Wow, that is really great! Would it be worth while putting the UK number on there as well? Not sure how many people are on staff in the UK (newbie here, I am not completely up to speed yet), but I saw somewhere else in the comments that there was also a UK number. I’m willing to help out on this side of the pond if you can think of anything.

      • Miss Tia

        Excellent idea!!! I need to find the UK # and I will add that!!!

        • Krista

          Somewhere in the comments below Glibwog posted a flyer with both the UK and the US number on it.

          • Miss Tia

            Yes, they did, I’ll find it and add it!

    • Eclipse-girl

      I love it. I think it is great.

      Me being picky –> Duress has only 1 r

      • Miss Tia

        Thank you, I will correct the spelling, I appreciate that!

    • Deeana

      Good idea. Love the page color.
      Are you open for a little advice on the page format?

      It appears as a bit “wordy”. Solution: Near the top of the page, insert about 6 bullet points (no more) at which you make the main points and post the phone numbers/website addresses in LARGE, BOLD type as the sixth bullet point.

      So that someone who is in a rush can get some “instant info” and if they have more time they can go on and read the entire page?

      Sometimes you just need to “grab” some attention at the top of the page. Think of it as a “billboard area” and keep the info in the bullet points short and sweet.

      • Miss Tia

        I can find the html code for bullet points (i do pages old school). I do want the page to be something that is masked and not easily ‘found it’ if someone is caught reading it, ya know? I like the idea of the phone # being bold though!! I don’t link to other websites only because those might be caught in the CO$ filters.

        I tried to keep it short and short statements so it could be read quick. I kept the space at the top ‘open’ in case someone was caught reading it.

    • i-Betty

      Beautiful. So thoughtful and kind. I will post this everywhere I can think of.

      Really excellent job, Tia!

      • Miss Tia

        Thank you!!! And if/when we find out it’s been filtered out, I’ll put it on other sites!! πŸ™‚ Same info—other sites! YEAH!!

  • Chocolate Velvet

    I thought I’d share this article in a couple of specific places on Facebook. What Barbara said really pissed me off, but her Facebook page doesn’t allow wall posts. So, I posted on the View FB page, and on Sherri Shepherd’s page. These posts disappear into a list pretty quickly, but if others who are on FB also wanted to share a link to this article, well, that would keep the topic visible and make more noise.

    In any case, I feel better for venting a little. And I think Sherri deserved a nod for speaking up. Here’s my posts:

    • Verve

      They’re still up as of 4:30AM, and not too far down, either.

  • DamOTclese2

    Another thing that is striking about Barbara Walters is that she used to be a journalist, she has interviewed Presidents, major corporate heads, she has done war reporting. Her “la la la la I don’t hear you I don’t want to hear this” behavior these days is truly a stark difference from her previous career’s accomplishments.

    Yeah, as someone else said, time to put her in a home. πŸ™‚

    • mpl

      Heck yes! Time to pull a Lou Dobbs and put her out to pasture.

    • Jgg2012

      you know, people don’t fear criticizing the President or other political leaders, and Walters never did. Scientology, however, creates a “I don’t want to offend this celebrity” mentality.

  • Bella Legosi

    Well here’s hoping my message was received by Babs

    ** >( and my screen shot is over the stupid 2.10mb limit! *shakes fists* Damn you Disqus! For those interested this is what I just sent Babs***

    Bella Legosi

    Just wondering……if Scientology schools are so good and produce such well rounded students; will your grandchildren be attending Delphi Academy?

    Here is some listening material for you to listen to before sending any child in to a non Scientology school

    http://youtu.be/kYdpNpPDWMc

    Scientology: Chilling Propaganda Tape for Parentswww.youtube.com

  • Truthiwant

    I’m just watching Mark Ebner at the moment and have paused the video to say something to, particularly, those newbies that are enthralled by The Bunker and Scientology.

    I was in Scientology for many years and obviously I now realize how ridiculous and also mind controlling it is.

    But maybe there are some of you that think “How can you possibly get involved with a cult like that. You just need to look at what’s on the internet or on the television or in the newspapers. It’s quite obvious that Scientology is a scam”.

    I agree with you. Except for two details.

    Firstly when I was in Scientology there were NO television programs like Mark Ebner’s available. Nobody was doing this sort of thing. On the contrary, almost all journalists were afraid of saying anything against Scientology for fear of being sued by the Church of Scientology.

    And secondly, we were all told NOT to read newspapers or look at anything critical of Scientology because it would impede our journey up the Bridge.

    Yes, we were conditioned and told what to do and what not to do (just like all cults) and hence it was not easy to understand those truths which today are all over the place about how bad Scientology really is

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s like trying to explain a dial telephone to someone who’s never seen one.

      • Sandy

        Yup. I tried to explain a fax machine to my 94 yr old mom a few years ago…

    • Mooser

      “Yes, we were conditioned and told what to do and what not to do (just like all cults)”

      Remember always the immortal words of Putney Swope: “Shove it, clown. Your father was a horses ass!”

    • Narapoid

      And no internet! Church members would steal critical books out of the library. And at the time I started I was enjoying it. Others around me were getting something out of it too.

      Xenu was top secret and unknown, SP declares I never saw, and the RPF was a sea org thing I never heard of. Heck I didn’t really see Sea org people, and I got out soon after I did. Another story

  • GoofusMcFloof

    In September ’13, I knew somebody had to take the plunge. I did and emerged very knocked out but alive. Probably the only one ever to do so in the last 75 seconds. I have all the data but only that given here is needful. I call it the Wall of Smoke. Read my folder for complete deets. Good luck.

    The Church of Spiritual Technology — our dauntless, fallback reservoir of theta doingness against the sucking darkness of the guhlaxy — has made a revolutionary breakthrough! And it was just as Ron predicted in his private Ron’s Journal Eleventy-Six (on 8-track cassette!). CST technicians in white smocks at the doubleplus notunsecret subterranean OT Platinum Donor Level LabVault at Tremontina have forceably tapped the first geyser of Gaian planetary strength proto-theta-energy! Sadly, 6 very lean OT eightminuseight’s are now looking for new bodies, undoubtedly sad to go back to GO at this point in the game. Hey, you guys pulled it in, didn’t you? I mean literally, right? Ha. But I kid. Okay, now forget them.

    At great physical danger, sciengineers installed a Parsons Spigot that Ron had idly sketched out on the back of a Canary Islands bar napkin in 1967. (Our hearts go out to all the 2Ds and not2Ds for the additional body-dropped technicians 7, 8, 9, 10… and 12. You’ll be missed… especially you, 9. Eleven’s r/s stats are still being monitored.. who says we don’t have hearts?)

    And what is the importanceness of all thisness? That spuming geyser of tapped proto-theta-energy deep at Tremontina can now be amplified and focused like a bustercrabbe raygun of pure IN. BAM BAM BAM! In! In! In! Can you imagine the implications?

    And what will be the aimness of the first shot? Get ready for this: POB has directed that the 30th Anniversary IAS Convocation will be moved up one year! And he has personally taped a wobbly X of beryllium isotope-impregnated scotchtape to the solidgold lectern at the center of the recently erected Target One Tent Vehicle in CW/FL. Point Zero. At the moment the final stat is reported at the 30th Anniversary IAS Convocation, 3200 IAS members and 3199 chairs will enter the uninsured Tent Vehicle. The Tremontina proto-theta-energy link will be initiated, the only known source that could power a 37-hour recording of Bohemian Rhapsody. Only one IAS donor and one bloody chair will emerge the new (or maybe the old) leader of a newly revitalized churchcorp to clear the planet by the end of the weekend. Tops.

    See how easy it is to turn bad PR around!

    • Alpha2

      Exactly

    • Mooser

      Is there a “Write Like L Ron Hubbard” contest? There sure as hell should be! How about “Great Classics of Literature, as written by L Ron Hubbard” contest?

      MAD never took a look at Scientology, did they? Too bad.

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        That would be hysterical. I think MAD still publishes in limited runs

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Mad magazine is still readily available monthly on newsstands.

          • 3feetback-of-COS

            Now I’m dreaming of the shoop of DM as Alfred E. Newman — What? Me worry?

            • Captain Howdy

            • 3feetback-of-COS

              Thank you Captain Howdy! its perfect, super perfect!

            • Captain Howdy

              You’re welcome and I found it on WWP a long time ago.

      • Missionary Kid

        I believe they have, or, if they haven’t, try Cracked online.

      • Gerard Plourde

        “Is there a “Write Like L Ron Hubbard” contest?”

        One should be started with the requirement that submissions be made on a continuous sheet of butcher paper torn off with a t-square (the way Ron submitted his pulp SciFi stories).

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Don’t know but perhaps these might do as a start –
        National Lampoon did Diarrhetics:
        http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/lampoon/lamp1.htm

        And here’s a list of $cientology parody books as well: http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/parody.html

      • Robert Eckert

        I loved this parody of BE and ME:

        For three human-days Johnny had been on the scary side of the Moon, where the danger-aliens lived. He took an inventory of the contents of his space-backpack: one rest-sleep bag, two holder-containers of drink-liquid, and four container-pouches of nutrition food. SUDDENLY JOHNNY WAS STARTLED BY A NOISE! The danger-aliens were moving from their base, on patrol-patrol. “What if they smell my nutrition-food?” Johnny wondered. “Must bury the nutrition-food! Must bury the nutrition-food!” Johnny took out his digger-shovel, which hadn’t been included in the inventory he took, because.

    • Narapoid

      My god I could hear Hubbard’s speaking voice in this work of art. Hats off to you Most Excellent Goofus!

    • Deeana

      “focused like a bustercrabbe raygun”
      This is good πŸ™‚

  • Bella Legosi

    Holy moley! It is going on Noon in the PAC NW and already 966 comments???

    lol
    Oh yeah……this is a fringe website! Silly, Bella! *eyeroll* PFFFT

  • Rita Gregory

    Back later folks! Must rest. πŸ™‚

    • Eclipse-girl

      sleep well.

    • Gregory Nietsky

      cheers cheers

  • joan nieman

    So enjoyed the Marc Ebner video.

  • Racnad

    I may know what Barbara Walters was referring to. I recall in 1979 or 1980 one of the TV News magazines – quite possibly 20/20 – did a segment on Apple Schools, and that may have been when Walters visited a
    Scientology-affiliated school. I did not get to see it as it conflicted with a school dance and VCRs at that time
    were too pricey for middle-class homes, which is also why I have not been able to find it online either. I did however hear a cassette recording of the audio I had someone make for me.

    If ABCNews over opens their archives I’d love to see that segment.

    • pronoia

      So, based on something that happened over 30 years ago, Barbara Walters can make assurances about what Scientology-based education is and isn’t?

      And if my memory servers me correctly, aren’t all the Apple Schools shut down?

      • Racnad

        Yes, the founder’s husband was outspoken about things he felt Church Management was doing wrong, and was declared a Suppressive Person. She stayed with them, and all the parents were forced to choose between pulling their kids out and disconnecting from a couple they greatly respected, or face possible SP declares themselves.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Interesting. So she could be basing her opinion on a visit from over 30 years ago?

  • TheLurkingHorror

    I used to respect Barbara Walters as a newswoman. Of course, that was a long time ago, when she actually was a newswoman. For many years now, she seems to just be another hollywood star butt kisser. I am thoroughly disgusted that she apparently hasn’t done (or won’t do) even just a little real research.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I never really disliked her.. just wasn’t a fan of her slow-pitch interviews. Not like a Katie Couric who comes in throwing fastballs at the head! That’s an interviewer.

    • Jon Hendry

      She hit the bottom of the barrel with this:

      “Barbara Walters has apologized after newly released emails showed her attempting to get a close aide to Syrian president Bashar al-Asaad an internship at CNN and a place at Columbia University.”

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/barbara-walters-assad-aide-apology_n_1571825.html

      And in 2008, she vacationed with Assad and his wife.

  • deselby

    Apparently Hubbard didn’t actually die. He thought he was blowing a thetan and accidentally blew himself.

    • Gregory Nietsky

      teh lulz

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I think if he could have blown himself, he would not have had the time to come up with all of the shit that he wrote.

      • deselby

        True, but in that case there probably would have been a few more lines in Hubbard’s “Affirmations.”

      • 1subgenius

        Me too.

        You do know why dogs lick their balls?

        Because they can.

      • Espiando

        If I could blow myself, I’d never leave my house.

        • 1subgenius

          I think the Steve Martin character said the same thing about having tits in “L.A. Story”.

          • marti

            Or the SNL Will Ferrell Yoga skit.

      • junojones

        That’s exactly the reason why Ron Jeremy hasn’t conquered the world by now.

        I’ve done my speculation on Alternative Universes. I reasonably believe that if Mr.Jeremy had been hung like Napoleon, things would have been MUCH different. πŸ˜›

    • marti

      …”And reporting from the depths of The Lavatory, this is Barbara Walters.
      Now back to you Shelly.”

    • 1subgenius

      Ooooh, ooooh, caption contest! (for what bahbwa is saying)
      Me first, me first!
      “I’ve been to some Scientology opawating wooms, and some of their pwoceejers are vewy good.”

      • 1subgenius

        I warn you bitches, don’t even try. It can’t be improved upon.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          YOU WIN YOU WIN YOU WIN!

          • 1subgenius

            Where would you be if you didn’t even try?

            • Captain Howdy

              ‘It doesn’t pay to try,
              All the smart boys know why”

  • pronoia

    Barbara Walters is being deliberately obtuse. She — as a producer — watches every single episode of the View, regardless of whether or not she participates. And has she really been in a Scientology school(s)? Really? Really? When and where and why?

    And does Barbara Walters know that in addition to Jenna Miscavige and almost all Sea Org Members (most of whom join BEFORE they can get a high school diploma), neither the Smith or the Cruise kids have been to high school? And does she realize that it is one things for wealthy kids who will never need to work for money, like the Smith and Cruise kids, who will likely never be recruited into the Sea Org, not to have an education. And her inability to see this can only be described as a kind of willful ignorance.

  • Truthiwant

    Mark Ebner’s interview should be seen by everybody. For those who know about Scientology it is a joy and for those who don’t know so much about Scientology, it is a wealth of information.

    There are many mentions from Mark Ebner to a certain Tony Ortega.

    Who’s he?!!!!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Just a bitter troll lurking on the fringes of the internet.

    • marti

      The Texas parachuting journalist.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Jesus H. Christ. Even OSA trolls think I am a meanie!!!!

    • SandiCorrena

      stupid trolls!

    • Eclipse-girl

      They can’t handle the snark.

      • Robert Eckert

        You want the snark? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE SNARK!

    • stillgrace

      Remember who their Boss is and take it with a “huge grain of salt!” I don’t think you’re a meanie, but even if you were, you’re our meanie.

    • phronsie

      He might have been trying to reply to GlibWog….

    • Gregory Nietsky

      awww butz we luffs you. you insulting her religion and beliefs i was disappointed there was no commitment to investigate the church

    • Observer

      I like meanies.

      • 1subgenius

        Nellie McKay was mean to me. For true.
        I liked it.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      You’re just a nasty, nasty Troll.

      I know it’s true; I read it on the internet.

      • PeggyToo

        As long as you didn’t check Google.

    • marti

      It’s cuz you look like KA.

  • Seannie5

    that St Claire poster is a ticket…
    but at least she is reading and not hiding away from dissenting opinion. It’s far more than many others – (but hopefully there are a lot of lurkers)

    • Espiando

      Honestly, St.Claire is a good guy at heart. There’s a reason BTN and I both like dueling with him. He’s got guts and can put together a coherent argument, which are two things you can’t say about most people from OSA.

  • Gregory Nietsky

    im calling it a week gonna take a dive have a fantastic wekend dont hold the cans … women tend to slap when you do.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Have a great weekend!

  • Axiom142

    This video from 2007 gives an idea of what it was like inside The Tent: http://youtu.be/hNVNvx7F–k

    • SLIM

      Thank you for showing me this…
      It’s quite frightening…The bullshitness it shovels..

  • stateofcircle

    I had to enlist my dog Stella to go through the comments for me now because there are just too many…

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Looks like a Doggie Downvoter to me

      • stateofcircle

        MYSTERY SOLVED!!!

        • 1subgenius

          So, there never was a reason to care. It was all just a slip of the paw.

          • Truthiwant

            That’s a pretty paw pun!

            • 1subgenius

              Not a pun, and not pretty.
              Sorry, but that’s a downvote for ya’.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Good doggy.

    • Truthiwant

      Hey, my cat is helping me out also!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Awesome photo!
        It is like you all just introduced your pets to each other.

        • Truthiwant

          The cat is now asleep on the sofa. I asked her if she liked the doggie on the computer and she replied that the two dogs that live here are enough for her!

          Well, that’s cats for you! Ungrateful creatures!

          • Mooser

            One of my cats with longish orange brown hair, loves the dog. The dog, of course, loves everybody, but this cat will suffer her attentions. Anyway, large-doggie and kitty cuteness is the cutest cuteness there is. It’s like cuteness porn. The other cats are strictly no tongue, like some of the girls back in school. But that was a long, long time ago, I can still remember how that music used to make me smile. And I knew if I had my chance, that I could make those people dance and maybe they’d be happy for a while? okay, that one went sideways.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              My mother saw a Don McLean show at Ohio State in the early seventies. Her story goes that a few of the students pissed him off somehow, so he stopped playing and launched into a tirade about how spoiled college students are.. and this and that about ivory towers and rich parents and what not. He was literally booed off the stage and left before he played American Pie.

            • Mooser

              If they had only had some videos of Dora, my brown Lab, and Greta, my longish-haired cat, being cute together that concert could have been saved! You know the kind of stuff I mean, nose touching, or Dora standing over Greta, with her tail wrapped around Dora. And then you’ve got brown-Lab-eyes, and kitty eyes looking into the camera.That kind of kitty-doggy-cuteness stuff. Make all the boys forget about the dough they wasted on the tickets, and it puts the girls in a cuddly mood. You want proof? Just look up thread! Yep, post a couple of doggie or kitty (in this case the classic doggie-or-kitty-looks-at-computer pictures) and all is beer and skittles, sweetness and light, a feast of reason and flow of soul. Works every time.

      • thatssotheta

        I’ve got a helper here as well πŸ™‚

        • Truthiwant

          Please share!

        • stillgrace

          OK, that was amazing … kudos to stateofcircle, Truthiwant and thatssotheta!!!

          • Casabeca

            These are GREAT!

        • Truthiwant

          I’ve just told my cat she’s on the internet!

          Why do cats only purr when THEY are interested in something?

          • Mooser

            Gosh, those are the most intelligent-looking quartet of house pets I’ve ever seen!

        • stateofcircle

          And this is awesome!

        • Mooser

          They haven’t made a shutter fast enough to capture Dora, my Meth Lab.

          • thatssotheta

            Haha I have to admit this was about take 10…

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          This is like an Escher drawing. I am loving these.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Claire is watching the watchers

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          So THAT’S what St. Claire looks like. You naughty little scilon.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Busted.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            you are a meanie. yeah I said it.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Is it official? Should i get the tattoo now?

        • stateofcircle

          This is awesome!

        • Alpha 2

          These Bunker-watching pet pics are ALL INSTANT CLASSICS!!!

          I hope this becomes a Bunker meme!!

      • stateofcircle

        Awesome!

    • Seannie5

      lol she is too cute

  • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

    Just tuning in, unfortunately only for a few moments.
    Did I miss my OSA troll friends? Where dayat?

  • Vistaril

    Talking about those who speak positvely of Scientology and its front groups . . .

    An inside job? It would seem that could be true. The McAlester News-Capital reports that Braden Kerns, the son of Pittsburg County Sheriff Joel Kerns, was arrested, along wqith Kyla Adams, for burglarizing his parents’ home . . .

    . . . but wait, there’s more . . .

    Speaking of his son, Sheriff Kerns said, β€œHe was released to us from the jail, and from the jail we went to a rehabilitative center.”

    Anyone wanna guess which “rehabilitative centre” Sheriff Kerns will be using . . . hmmm?

    HT: JBWriter at ESMB.

    • aquaclara

      wow. thanks for this news, Vistaril!

    • 1subgenius

      This will not end well.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Feel so sorry for the kid. Not a good place to be, and his folks set him there.

    • Snippy_X

      Bedford said the sheriff advised him during the investigation to have
      another agency work the case due to a conflict of interest.

      I wonder if Joel means the conflict of interest is because Braden is his son or if he means that he is a shill for Narconon.

  • 1subgenius

    By the way, you can use this

    http://www.blockposters.com/

    To make a poster of any size you want, of any image you want, with your printer and letter sized paper..
    And it just so happens that Walmart has fine 20″ X 30″ foam core boards for around $1.50
    Ta-da!
    Watch for this one in a neighborhood nowhere near you.

    • Espiando

      There are a couple of other good freeware programs out there for that purpose. When I was protesting with Anon, I used Rasterbater along with 110lb paper to make good, foldable, yet reasonably strong posters. Did a decent job too.

      • 1subgenius

        that’s another good one

        • Espiando

          Dominic, our Scilon handler from the Chicago Org, wasn’t very amused when he saw my L. Ron/Heath Ledger Joker 25 1/2 x 22 inch poster with the tagline, “Why so enturbulated?” I also did the same size of L. Ron’s hand-written OT3 to display outside the org. Six sheets of 110lb plus a little ink produces wonders.

    • aquaclara

      I want this sign!

      • 1subgenius

        What, pray tell, is stopping you?

    • joan nieman

      Oh Sub! I love that poster!!

    • MadMaxi

      Family Dollar and Dollar general usually sells foam board same size for a buck. Not quite as thick but great for signs, placards and such.

    • ThetaBara

      This should also go on that scientology sign generator thingy! Let me see if I can figure it out…

      • 1subgenius

        Ta-da!

        • ThetaBara

          BAHAHAHAHAHA, thanks! Very Well Done! πŸ˜€

  • marti

    β€œI have been to some of the Scientology schools and some of their education programs are very good,” Walters said on Tuesday.”

    Wish she had mentioned what courses she took.

    • stillgrace

      She made a clay model of a big mouth attached to an empty brain.

      • CraftLass

        Best laugh I’ve had all day πŸ™‚

  • Vistaril

    . . . The leader of Scientology, Tom Cruise’s best man, my uncle David Miscavige, is a high school dropout . . .

    ^^^ True fax. I managed to track down a copy of his highschool yearbook for the last year he was there.

    • stillgrace

      Laugh out loud funny!

      • q-bird

        oh god, me too!!!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Tritto!

    • PeggyToo

      OMG!!! Laughing my ass off here!! (And it’s a big one)

    • 1subgenius

      Oh shit, you had me there for a minute, becauseI have a long-standing reward of a HUGE pile of money for anyone who can produce a copy of Miscavige’s yearbook. Any yearbook.
      HUGE.
      How huge.?
      So completely huge….

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Do we know where he went to HS? I don’t recall Going Clear mentioning it, and Wikipedia just says “a local high school” in Philadelphia.

        • Captain Howdy

          Marple Newtown High School

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Yeah just found out WWP was a couple years ahead on that mission. Decided to use a hearsay engine

          • Casabeca

            Question for you, oh oracle of the Bunker. Do you think education is so under appreciated in $cientology because being a student puts one “at effect”? Or are there other factors more important, like orgs wanting a young, not too smart, labor force? Just wondering…

      • ThetaBara

        Was he in school long enough to even be in a yearbook?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Bravo! My little friend is even applauding….no, not THAT little friend you sickos:

    • 1subgenius

      btw, do want the full image of davey’s face used in this shoop.
      Ask me no questions, I’ll tell you no lies.
      Bwwwaaaah ha ha.
      Please deliver.

    • Sarah James

      LOL

    • thatssotheta

      TEARS!!! I AM IN TEARS!! HAHAHA

      • Truthiwant

        This one will end up as a classic!

    • thetaesque

      And the caption by his name is: “One day I will rule the world.” Really, that caption is too good to make up.

  • Yan117

    Awesome Mark Ebner interview on The Lip, Bunkerites. Check it out, I can vouch for it.

    I just wanted to say that right off the bat before plunging in, yet again, another awesome thread the likes of which only The Underground Bunker can produce. Love you all.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu1OU1qb3gk

    • jeff

      This link was in the body of the article that you are commenting on.

  • sizzle8

    How can the Rutherford Institute defend this legal claptrap. The only reason Scientology wants to deny the ‘ex-penitent’ access to their folders is to cover up evidence of wrongdoing.

    An ex is no longer interested in their brand of spiritual salvation so confidentiality is a moot point.

    • Mooser

      All I can hear in my mind while reading this drivel is Judge Dib Waldrip: “How can something be confidential and false?”

    • Robert Eckert

      The Rutherford Institute wants churches to have the right to cover up evidence of wrongdoing.

  • Eclipse-girl

    I think the Bunker should give a warm round of applause to those who where on

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/09/barbara-walters-slammed-for-scientology-education-defense-jenna-miscavige/#comment-1053333133

    They took on a few trolls, and explained why BW was making an ass out of herself.
    I would try and list all the names of the participants, but I would probably leave someone out and that is not my intention.

    • Missionary Kid

      Agreed. The Bunkerites just smoked them.

    • Alpha 2

      That was cool!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I will accept a modest amount of credit.

    • phronsie

      I made my few little remarks, but I could only stand by in awe to watch the artists work. I definitely don’t have the chops to be a mighty troll fighter, but I sure love to see them do their thing!

    • Espiando

      It’s what us Anons told the Scilons five years ago, and it’s something they’ve never learned, to their detriment:

      We run this game.

      • Alpha 2

        But you won’t get a NYPA response here, if someone requests harpoons. You will get harpoons.

        • Espiando

          Harpoons and more. We’re the Anti-Ron Cult. We are Cultega. We have each others’ backs. And we have a large quantity of Low-Orbit Ion Cannons to call upon. Military surplus is great.

          And best of all, we control the message. This is something ABC apparently hasn’t figured out. Old Media is Old. New Media wins the day. What a big broadcast network can’t do, little blogs on the fringe of the Internet, combined with the power of Hearsay, can and will.

          They can’t win. They won’t win. Thermidor spelled the end for them. And it’s the days of the Sans-Cullotes right now, the days of the Great Unwashed, the fringes of the Net, the blogs and the wogs. The new year begins Sunday. And it’s the last one that Scientology will ever see.

          • Alpha 2

            Amen to that.

      • Eclipse-girl

        TY to the Anons for What they did. They do not forgive . They do not forget.

  • George Layton
  • Suppressive Tomato

    Hey Barbara, Nazi Germany had their own special school programs, too, and “some of them were very good”.

    Eerie how similar this description sounds to your precious Scientology schools that you know so well. You sicken me.

    http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Nazi_Education.htm

  • Lady Squash

    It’s always heartening to hear someone dissing Scientology, however, Ebner can’t hold a candle to Ortega when it comes to understanding Scientology. His answer to “Why Leah choose this moment in time to leave SCN” was weak. Yes, Leah is a fiery personality, but her dress down by Tommy Davis was 6 years ago. I don’t think any of us know the exact answer to “why now?” Those of us who have been IN just know there comes a point when the cognitive dissonance reaches the breaking point: You either leave, have a mental breakdown, commit suicide or kill someone. This cult ain’t like none other except maybe Jim Jones. I wonder if you added up all those who have committed suicide, contracted a terminal illness at a statistically younger age than the public in general, had a mental breakdown or killed someone else, if the numbers might be greater than the Jim Jones murder/suicide event. His number was 909. Scientology carnage (defined broadly) may have surpassed that number.

    • ThetaBara

      For that matter, I could have explained what happened to Lisa McPherson more succinctly. But, let’s be fair to Ebner. He covers numerous subjects, while Tony is pretty much only covering the scilon beat – which is a HUGE subject. Props to both of them, say I!

      Have you seen Ebner’s article on Philip Gale’s suicide? It was slated to be in Rolling Stone in 1999 but then it got spiked. I looked up his mother, Marie, and it appears that she is sadly still a clam.

      http://gawker.com/5061091/death-of-a-nethead

  • media_lush

    a little something I did….. also someone was asking if Stephen Fry ever took the piss out of scientology…. here’s the link….. http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/cruise-gets-piss-taken-out-of-him-at.html?q=CRUISE+GETS+THE+PISS+TAKEN+OUT+OF+HIM+AT+THE+BAFTAS

    and if you like the guy he totally annihilates a scumbag journalist in this article he wrote today http://stephen-fry-me.tumblr.com/post/61754597917/some-weasel-of-a-telegraph-journo-wants-me-to-give-up

    • Sherbet

      Thank you, ‘lush, for the Fry-o-rama. I wallowed in it. I love me some Fry.

      • Eclipse-girl

        He was in good form, wasn’t he.

        • Sherbet

          The thing with him, though, is that he can be the classic curmudgeon, but then at another time he exhibits a child-like awe and warmth about ordinary people and their traditions.

          • media_lush

            He’s the first celeb to openly admit that he’s a manic depressive and he’s a major champion for mental illness amongst loads of other charities.

            IMO he’s a national treasure and deserves a peerage.

            My favourite video of him is the debate he has with the Catholic church in some official setting… a genius at work

            • Robert Eckert

              This was linked here a while ago, worth linking again. The setting is the Oxford debate club on the issue “Is the Catholic Church a force for good?” (the Yes side was argued by a whiny-voiced lady who was hopelessly outmatched):

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6sz8D411kE

            • media_lush

              … that’s the one!

            • Sandy

              wow. that was beautiful

            • Captain Howdy

              Yeah, Hitchens & Fry against a couple of bums. The fix was in on that one!

            • Robert Eckert

              I would be fair to the Catholic side and link to the Yes speeches, except they were so lame it would not, actually, be fair.

            • Captain Howdy

              The Catholics would have been better off getting Mel Gibson & Bono.

            • Sherbet

              Hey, don’t dump Gibson in with Roman Catholics. He belongs to some other sect that isn’t recognized by the Vatican. He was cute in his young days, but I don’t want him.

            • Robert Eckert

              Gibson would say that you shouldn’t lump in the real Roman Catholics (like himself) with those Vatican people (John XXIII was a usurper, you see, and the Vatican has all been full of heretics ever since).

            • Sherbet

              You’re right; he would say that. Let’s have a return to unintelligible Latin-droned mysteries.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’ve been to a mass before and I think the Latin would have been way cooler. As it was, it was helluva boring. My only relief was playing footsie with my best friend’s sister.

            • Sherbet

              It wasn’t cool to have nothing to look at except the priest’s back, and nothing to listen to except a dead language that I don’t understand. I’m laughing at the idea of footsie-playing as a fun addition to the liturgy. Your friend’s sister was lucky. I had only eagle-eyed parents flanking me in church, no flirtatious boys.

            • Captain Howdy

              The Latin makes it more Omen-esque, more spooky world.

            • Espiando

              If DM was a pro wrestler, “Ave Satani” would be his entrance music.

            • ThetaBara

              I would like to see DM as pro wrestler, vs YOU as a pro wrestler!
              You’d kick his obnoxious ass! And probably have awesome entrance music.

            • ThetaBara

              I think you mean “hella” there, Gramps.
              πŸ˜‰

            • Gregory Nietsky

              was dragged of almost every week the one week took a paper clip put it between live and neutral on the fan on the way out …. even back then the lulz were strong in this one must have been about 10/11

            • SopranoAscends

              Intelligence Squared debate where Fry and Christopher Hitchens were arguing against the question, “The Catholic Church is a Force For Good in the World” They won.
              Here: http://tinyurl.com/mhh6xdd
              And “The Secret Life of the manic Depressive”
              Here: http://tinyurl.com/l7hhagx

          • Eclipse-girl

            Yes, I would like to meet the child like side of him someday. Still remember watching Bertie and Jeeves on PBS. Husband remembers them from Black Adder.

            • Sherbet

              See if you can get hold of “Stephen Fry in America.” I enjoyed it.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Ok, I will put that on the list. DH will watch that.

            • phronsie

              I love both and own both series on DVD; recently got my niece’s boyfriend into J&W! YAYAY!

            • Sherbet

              I love me some Laurie in addition to some Fry.

    • jeff

      From Mr. Fry: “I can’t think of a more embarrassing occupation in the world. I’d rather be chief enema-administrator to Jabba the Hutt.” I take it he will soon be working for Kirstie.

    • SopranoAscends

      I adore Stephen Fry. You know those imaginary dinner parties where you invite people who would be your favorite guests? First on my list.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Did you notice this person did not have a bowl for atheists?

      • Sherbet

        Top row. I noticed the atheists and agnostics put in some folding green and not just coins.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Ok, Maybe I should have my eyes tested.

          I swear I looked several times.

  • Lady Squash

    Poor Barbara Walters. She probably had a special tour of the Delphi School in Oregon which from all reports I’ve heard is pretty cool. The school used to be used as a feeding ground for Sea Org recruiters but one of Delphi’s major donors persuaded the school that this was not okay. I forget her argument, but it was a good one. And my information is that that no longer happens.
    Otherwise, as a school, I believe it is pretty good. The founder of Earthlink is a graduate and I think a high percent do go to college.
    The Scientology drama is a complex one with many, many layers. Too bad Barbara has only gotten the “Happy Land” version from her dear friend, Tom Cruise.

    • Robert Eckert

      “The founder of Earthlink is a graduate”: the one who went to prison for 12 years after ripping off all the other investors?

      • ze moo

        Sky Dayton is considered the ‘founder’ of Earthlink. A former VP of something at Earthlink just got out of prison for his ponzi scheme. I have no idea what Daytons education background is.

        • Robert Eckert

          Reed Slatkin is the one who just got out of prison. I wasn’t sure if that was who Lady Squash was referring to (I do not know her).

      • Lady Squash

        Correction. There were three founders of Earthlink. The idea was Sky Dayton’s. He’s the Delphi Graduate. Reed Slatkin, the ponzi scheme scum, was an investor.

    • Alpha 2

      “Otherwise, as a school, I believe it is pretty good.”

      Three reasons is can’t be a good school:
      (1) Mass
      (2) Gradients
      (3) Misunderstoods.

      These are the 3 bogus pillars of LRH education.

      • SopranoAscends

        “Mass” belongs to physics, or liturgy. “Gradients” belongs to vector calculus, and “Misunderstoods” is not a word. “Misunderstood” is the past participle & past tense of “misunderstand.” I know I am preaching to the choir, but, really???

        • Alpha 2

          It is so insanely bad, it falls apart at first glance. Well, I guess you could say the same for everything LRH wrote.

      • Eclipse-girl

        The three tools of study tech are known and used by almost every educator that I am aware of

        1) Mass –> using visual aids. Sometimes kids actually need to touch things, too.

        2) Gradient –> as a math teacher, algebra is all about the process or steps you go through to solve a problem. Yes, we teach kids to go through things step by step

        3) Misunderstoods –> Well didn’t L Ron write his own dictionary and change the accepted definitions of words. Most parents, and teachers should say “Let’s look it up” when asked a question. Dictionaries and other reference books are available in most school libraries

        • Alpha 2

          But LRH twists it to something, well, twisted:

          “….an absence of mass can actually make a student feel squashed. It can make him feel bent, sort of spinny, sort of dead, bored, and exasperated.”

          “If you have skipped a gradient you may feel a sort of confusion or reeling.”

          “… a single misunderstood word can cause a student to completely forget everything read so far, or make them want to stop learning.”

          • Eclipse-girl

            You are correct, LRH twists everything and anything.

            As an educator, these tools are known and used. Individual students need different attention and that can be lacking.

            LRH did not invent a damn thing with Study Tech.

            • Robert Eckert

              Instead of inventing, he stole ideas, misunderstood them, twisted them, and made them useless.

            • ThetaBara

              I didn’t know that you’re an educator. Have you heard of LRH’s technique known as “Chinese School?”

            • Eclipse-girl

              No. I am finally reading Marc’s book and he talks of Chinese school.
              I have not gone through the whole website on Study Tech.
              I would appreciate any information.

            • Robert Eckert

              “Chinese school” means repeating and repeating over and over again until you can recited whatever you’re being made to rote-learn without looking.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Rote learning. Isn’t that how Muslims schools teach the Koran?

              It has its place in learning. In Math, I really think kids should have the addition and multiplication tables (basic skill, IMHO) down by rote.
              I think rote learning is a fine way to memorize facts, such as all 50 fifty states, or the capitols of each state.
              It is usually at lower levels (elementary levels) in the US system.

              There is a desire to teach critical thinking skills. Teaching “how to think” will help a child more in the long run, that rote learning.

              If I teach a child a process of how to think about about a problem, when they encounter a different , but similar problem , they can apply what they have learned and often solve the different but similar problem by themselves.

              I am fine if a child puts together accurate processes on their own. I do not mind if the child makes leaps in learning (misses gradients) or doesn’t need to have each new concept presented with visual aids (giving it mass). Most educators appeciate having an intelligent student.

            • ThetaBara

              Sorry if I already replied to this. “Chinese school” refers to an indoctrination procedure that essentially requires that the “student” repeat some phrase perfectly. Until they do, they repeat it over and over and over. Elron supposedly saw the Chinese doing this in their schools and realized the usefulness of it, so adopted it.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I finally figured this out due to others and actually reading Jenna’s book. Rote training has its place in education. Usually at elementary levels. In learning Math, I would say that having to fil in the grid for addition and multiplication tables is rote learning. No one would ever use it for anything past 3rd or 4th grade.

              According to Jenna and Marc, Chinese School was used to sayings of LRH. This does nothing to forward education. It is pure indoctrination.

    • SopranoAscends

      Skippy…no…Sky? EL was cool when I got my first email account. But then some big corporation came along and Pac-Manned it.

  • ze moo

    1250 comments by 6:30 pm Est USA, nice turnout. Ever since last Thursday’s court blog from Texas, this site has drawn huge numbers and been quoted in media all over the world. The Barbara Walters story is all over the internet, from Radar on line to the Christian Post, mass media is paying attention to the Bunker. Take an ‘attaboy’ out of petty cash (the only type I carry) and buy yourself a beer or 2. Ok, some Buffalo Wings too….

    • SopranoAscends

      Let’s use “fringe” as a verb! We are enhancing the internet, not lost in space. Nuh uh!

    • Espiando

      I’m perfectly satisfied to steal the phrase, “Our stats are straight up and vertical.” Because we, unlike some other people, are telling the truth when we say it.

  • Alpha 2

    I noticed some of the posts about Barbara Walter’s ignorance on “The View” Facebook page are staying up! I posted on it, will see if it lasts… would encourage others to do so as well, if you haven’t already:)

    • Alpha 2

      Looks like the posts are staying up, getting responses to the post, which means it’s basically permanent- need more bunkerite comments there!

      • ThetaBara

        Which post should I be looking at? Because if I have to see one more photo of Jenny “Health Menace” McCarthy I might barf. And I would hate to barf up this lovely cocktail.

  • Cat Daddy
    • Captain Howdy

      No, this is the new/old leader of scientology. L Ron has returned from Target Two and here has D.M and Pat Harney brought to him to explain WTF is going on.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48yRNau52Aw

    • Jo

      That film scared be bejesus out of me as a child and why is it that one parent dies usually dies in a Disney movie? Horror movies for kids.

  • dwayners13 .

    A little off topic, but was that Benny Hill in the clips of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? I remember watching The Benny Hill Show when I was a kid, however he & his show weren’t really appropriate for kids . . . which is exactly why I watched it.

    • Sandy

      dwayne – I also watched Benny Hill as a kid in rural MN. For some reason, I don’t think the networks, at that time, were paying attention to some of their content. Baffles …..

      • Mooser

        Wow, if you think Benny Hill was inappropriate, he really did his job well. Frankly, if I had a kid, I would make sure he or she saw plenty of Benny Hill. Wasn’t Benny Hill on BBC TV?

        • Espiando

          BBC in black and white (which we in the US didn’t get), then went over to Thames for his long-running color series (which is what we got in butchered form). His show was cancelled, then he planned to do a number of direct-to-video episodes. He only completed one prior to his death.

          Yes, I’m a fan. Yes, I’m not ashamed to admit it. Yes, his entire Thames run, uncut and in its proper one-hour format, is available on DVD in the UK. Yes, I pirated the DVD rips.

          • Robert Eckert

            What could be inappropriate about Benny Hill?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAiq1xKF38k

            • Mooser

              Give ’em Benny Hill, and a tank with guppies. That’ll teach ’em what they don’t know how!

          • media_lush

            I saw him in Piccadilly in London 2 days before he died…. I’ll never forget how red and sweaty his face was…. which sort of explains things. It was a shame that the PC comics at the time gave him such a rough ride.

      • dwayners13 .

        I said this earlier, but the basic premise of every show/skit was Benny either chasing or being chased by women with big boobs with the same music playing in the background.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Benny Hill did, indeed, play a role in the film version of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

      • Captain Howdy

        And much to my surprise he was in “The Italian Job”, which was on last night..

        Supposedly Snoop Dogg was a big Benny Hill fan and when he finally made it to the U.K he asked to meet Benny and alas they informed him Benny was no more so they took Snoop out to his grave and Snoop looked down and said.. “Dawg, I didn’t even know you wus dead” and poured some beer on the grave.

        • Espiando

          Benny Hill and Frankie Howerd died on the same day, followed very shortly after by Sam Kinison. 1992 was not a very good year.

    • Jeb Burton

      I remember Benny Hill on Saturday nights. It was on PBS with other British comedies. Occasionally, we saw bare boobs. Big deal to a 14 year old at that time. Hell, for that matter, still is a big deal today.

      • dwayners13 .

        If I remember correctly the basic premise of every skit was Benny &/or an old guy either chasing or being chased by women with big boobs with that same music being played in the background.

  • aurora50

    huh…http://fightgangstalking.com/what-is-gang-stalking/
    this is one of the groups who favor ‘false-flag’ explanations for things like this week’s tragic shooting in Washington DC.

    The methods described are so familiar to what I have so far learned about OAS…

    my little mind just did a boggle…

  • Jo

    I’m impressed folks, radar on line comments. Felt like I was here and hadn’t left. Fight the super powers.

  • i-Betty

    I hope you’re all having a lovely evening! It is my gaming night with my best (male) friend, so I’m not around in here, but I have slipped away for a moment to say “hi”.

    Please don’t judge me for being a gamer πŸ˜› Or, actually, more than a gamer, as we test computer games before they are released to check for bugs and gitches on a part-time basis. I am a 40+ year old lady-geek πŸ˜€

    Have fun, all πŸ™‚

    • Eclipse-girl

      Which game? Myself, I have had issues with WOW addiction

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Same. Luckily I didn’t get too into BC, but from launch to Naxx I was a full blown crackie

        • Eclipse-girl

          I joined at Cata. Daughter wanted me to to get her a mount. Then I became the addict. This summer, after getting the guild to lvl 25 due to dailies, I was a bit burned out. Also got a different obsession (THE BUNKER) . Have quit for 30 days to get daughter another mount. Daughter will do the same for me.

          Panda is pretty good.

          • Sherbet

            I don’t know what the hell any of you is talking about. Don’t explain it. It’s all right. It’s computer game stuff, and I don’t need to know.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Remember Pacman? anything after that was for the new kids, Sherb!

            • Sherbet

              First computer game I ever encountered was called (I think) Adventure, and it had no pictures, just lines of text on the dark, monochrome green monitor. Something about a cave.

            • Robert Eckert

              Or it was called ADVENTUR on systems where files couldn’t be more than 8 characters long. Formally it was known as “Colossal Cave”. I loved that one. I wasn’t so much into Pong because I have never had any hand-eye co-ordination to speak of, which is why I haven’t touched any other computer games since.

            • Sherbet

              That’s it, Rob-E. All I remember is, one wrong turn, and I’d be back at the entrance again. Repeatedly. Frustrating.

            • Robert Eckert

              You just had to say “plugh”

            • Sherbet

              You remember a lot more than I do.

            • Observer

              LOVED Adventure!

            • Sherbet

              I also flunked out at Myst, although that’s not exactly a game, per se.

            • Alpha 2

              Zork?

            • Eclipse-girl

              It is all WOW related jargon

              Get a friend to join and pay for 3 months, you get a mount.

              If a friend hasn’t paid for 30 days, you can use a “scroll of resurrection” on them , get them to pay for 3 months and get a mount.

              Dailies are quests (chores) that you can do every day. Usually you only do a quest once. The dailies give you some money (g0ld) and rep with various factions.
              A guild is a group of players that often do things like raids or dungeons together. Your character can only belong to a single guild. You can quit one guild and join others. You can have multiple characters.

              Getting a guild to level 25 was tough before the expansion of Panda. It wasn’t easy after Panda but I did the grind (repetitive dull stuff) for something like 4 or 5 months to get my guild to level 25, which means my guild has all the gild perks available.

            • Sherbet

              It sounds like scientology, E-girl!

          • i-Betty

            Yes, I enjoyed Pandaria πŸ™‚

      • i-Betty

        All the games we have tested are mmorpgs: World of Warcraft, Dungeons & Dragons Online, Aion, Guildwars2, Final Fantasy XIV, Age of Conan, Tera, Warhammer Online, Everquest 2, Champions Online, Vaguard, Sage of Ryzom, Rift, Lord of the Ring Online, Starwars the Old Republic, Tabula Rasa, and others which we’re both trying to remember.

        It is the best job in the world….if only they paid us for it! But we get to play the games for free, and once they’re released we get free copies and other bonuses, although these days so many people want to beta test games that there is a bigger pool to choose from so the rewards aren’t so good.

        • Mooser

          Funny, I have never, ever played any computer or arcade video game. I’ve played Tetris and liked it. But that’s my limit.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I started at Pong and never looked back!

            • i-Betty

              Me, too!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I used to stand inside the 7/11 in Las Vegas with rolls of quarters (at least till I got good) and play Asteroids until I was falling down from lack of sleep.

            • Jo

              Seriously Bury, u joking? I couldn’t live without my console. Should prob mention my husband too as an after thought, I’m going to def get bad karma now.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I sold my Xbox a couple of years ago.
              About the time I started really getting into the sciloons full time.
              Coincidence?
              Maybe not.

              I could stay up 48 straight hours playing fucking SEGA!

            • Robert Eckert

              I played Pong and Colossal Cave, and have never played any more recent games.

            • no_srsly

              I can still get 99 free Mario’s (jumping on the turtle at the staircase) in Super Mario 1 on my old NES.

            • Observer

              I sucked at all the early games. I’m much better at the current ones. I loved the old text adventures though.

            • Ruby

              I was good at pong, but only if I was drinking.

            • ThetaBara

              I have Pong! It’s the 4 player version. I love it. Vintage video games FTW!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I am the opposite,
              It was just like when Johnny Quest started busting bugs bunny off the Saturday morning cartoons. (say wha?)
              I never could get into the life like stuff.
              Give me centipedes and Mario and a crazy hedgehog and I am good.

          • stillgrace

            I still play Tetris. It appeals to me in a mystical way. The only adventure game I ever played on the PC is Riven. I loved it; I am dating myself. My family plays EVERYTHING!

            • noseinabk

              I was NEVER addicted to Tetris despite what some may have said. I Loved it. I however I did dork out and play rpg games online. My all time favorite game was Theme Hospital. I also played the sims but only played them up to the point that I could learn how to bring them down from top performance. I then learned I could keep the sims kids out of school and social services would come and get them.

        • Jo

          Aargh, mantra, stay focused on jerry, sorry was talking to myself.

        • Eclipse-girl

          They have learned they do not have to pay beta testers anymore.

          • kemist

            Depends at what level of development.

            Some do get paid but their job is a lot more boring than playing a nearly completed game.

        • Alpha 2

          Mass Effect. Fallout. Dead Space. Borderlands.

      • phronsie

        Me too! Been thinking about getting back into it lately; miss those gorgeous virtual environments

        • Eclipse-girl

          I think Panda is better than Cata was. it does suck you in. I liked being an above average player in the game. Feel like I have lost that, but I hope I can regain that quickly.

          • phronsie

            Been a few years since I played Wraith of the Lich King.

            • Eclipse-girl

              about 3 or 4 years since then. You can always come back. it is Wrath, not wraith

            • phronsie

              Thanks! Lol, I knew it was wrath, but between trying to comment on my phone and being tired, didn’t proof too well before posting. Just may take up your offer sometime. πŸ™‚

            • Alpha 2

              Great game.

      • kemist

        You might like Skyrim. Nice graphics, not an easy game. Not an MMORPG, but the game environment is huge. Be aware that you need a good video card for an acceptable performance though.

        Another one I’ve spent a sizable amount of time on is Minecraft. But that is a sandbox kind of game and appeals mostly to programmers and engineers.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I have a friend who has tried to get me into other games. I do NOT need to expand the addicition

          • kemist

            Lol !!

            I think MMORPGs are actually the worst addiction-wise. In WOW, to play at higher levels you need to be in a guild, and that means people who count on you to be there at certain times to run some instance. If you stop playing for some time the guild just kicks you out.

            That’s what got me out of WOW. I was working and studying at the time, and couldn’t afford what was more or less another “job”.

            But games like Skyrim, Portal or Minecraft are things you can do on your own time, quit for a whole month of urgent work, and come back to without losing anything. It’s no different from reading a good book or watching TV.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Hey I got to where I am as being a single player. I made friends who asked me to join them on low level raids. I was never good enough to deal with LFR.

            • noseinabk

              Thanks. Just what I need is another distraction besides the bunker.

        • Alpha 2

          Skyrim rocks, just like Oblivion.

          • Espiando

            I hated Arena. I hated Daggerfall. I hated Morrowind. I hated Oblivion. I finished Skyrim. That says a lot for how truly magnificent it is.

        • i-Betty

          Skyrim is beautiful πŸ™‚ Have you installed any of the player-created home addons? I have a wooden galleon ship in the sky!

          • kemist

            Not yet, still exploring the game.

            I got it this summer only. Had to update my rig first, my old video card could not quite take it.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I want YOUR job!!!

    • Jo

      Want your job too, worked with Ireland’s big game and movie renter for 20 years until it went up shit creek, dam pirates and recession. Lucky enough, got a new crap job. Wot u playing?

      • i-Betty

        Right now we have just finished testing Final Fantasy XIV (Realm Reborn – the reworked version) and seen it into release, so we’re still playing it, but for fun now πŸ™‚

        • Jo

          Oh, that doesn’t hurt too much. If u ever get new resident evil game, I’m moving in.

          • i-Betty

            Lol, sorry! We don’t get to test console games, only PC games πŸ™

            But as they are my favourites I am one happy bunny πŸ˜€

            • Jo

              Ah, PC. Ok I’m fine now. My PC suck, lynx it works, not sure why, never play games on it.

            • aurora50

              oh, my lady Betty…I am a never-in with that world also, but am so intrigued…
              have read world mythology, sci-fi and fantasy since the age of 4…

              what would you recommend for a first experience?

            • i-Betty

              Yay!

              For PCs, Rift would be a good place to start as it has just gone F2P (free to play). MMOs usually charge a monthly subscription fee which covers future expansion packs (new zones, races, classes, quests etc) and staff costs for coders, customer service reps, etc.

              Hearsay Google ‘download Rift mmo’ and locate the link for downloading the game client. Depending on your connection it might take a few hours to download, install and fully patch the game. LoTR (Lord of the Rings Online) is also amazing if you like Tolkien-type lore and mythology, and has also gone F2P. They are good games to start out with because they’ve been around for a while now and all the bugs and glitches have been ironed out. MMOs are so huge (as in the world maps are so vast – lots of exploring, hooray!) and complex that there are always little niggles for a while after they launch.

              Ooh, just remembered that Starwars the Old Republic went F2P, too. If you like sci-fi that might be one you’d enjoy. I only played if for a month because I’m more into the fantasy genre, but it was very good, although quite linear.

              However, the game I would most recommend from the last year is Guildwars 2. Incredible, gorgeous graphics and easy to pick up if you’re new to MMOs. Again, there’s no monthly charge but you’ll need to buy the game up front, as will be the case with all the games I’ve listed above. Amazon carry some of the older games at massive discounts.

              Let me know if you decide to try one out, and how you get on πŸ˜€

            • aurora50

              oooo, so much to check out! it will be later in the weekend, but I will take an hour or two and definitely post my observations and queries to you before I make a decision. Thank you for your gracious reply to an impulsive and ?frivolous? inquiry!

          • Jo

            Have u played the new gta, prob can’t respond cause your testing a new game that hasn’t been released yet. So jealous, thinking of jerry springer mantra ” never be jealous of people u love” aargh we haven’t met so I’m jealous. Lol

            • i-Betty

              Hahaha! Well I haven’t met you either, but I love you a little bit all the same, cos you’re a Bunkerite πŸ˜€

              GTA5 was released here in the UK last Tuesday, and I didn’t test it, but you’re right about the NDAs which we have to sign while testing. They’re extremely strict, and rightly so because the budgets for these games run into the millions these days and they have to protect their investment.

              Shall we make a scientology game and call it ‘Death of a Cult’? The protagonist is a handsome and muscular investigative reporter called Bony Bortega. His main weapon is a reporter’s pad, his off-hand weapon is a +5 Truth Pencil. The evil cult leader is a miniature human man called Rabid Mosscabbage, and extra xp points are earned each time you paper-cut his forehead with a credit card.

            • Jo

              I haven’t played gta either, not even sure if I’d like it. My fav games were oblivion elder scrolls, metro last light, far cry and all resident evil games. Enjoy your game u lucky lady.

            • i-Betty

              Oblivion Elder Scrolls was excellent πŸ™‚

            • Lurkness

              #2 pencil, but with bonus points.

            • aquaclara

              A cult game would sell well. Can I put in a request in the next gta or MLB game that you put in a. kid who is basically good, but doesn’t study enough, and therefore loses more games or friends or money or all of the above? Oh, and they should feel a bit guilty from time to time, as well, especially when their mom calls. And they shouldn’t leave their dirty dishes in the sink.

              This could be a big hit. Really.

            • i-Betty

              I like a good subliminal message, Aqua. I’m with you! πŸ˜›

            • aquaclara

              Thank you! Remember, lots of guilt.
              In time for the second semester, plz.
              πŸ™‚

            • i-Betty

              Guilt, clean socks, and homework. Sorted!

            • stateofcircle

              Mr. State got GTA5 and loves it. I’m not a gamer (I can’t work the xbox controller beyond going to netflix and amazon), but I like to watch and sometime talk some shit, and GTA has been really fun to watch. From everything I gather, the amount of detail in this game is absolutely nuts. There’s a lot to say about it, but the tl;dr version is that it’s pretty effin sweet.

            • ThetaBara

              I’m terrible at video games, too, but I actually really enjoy the “crazy driver” ones where you drive recklessly! GTA is probably a bit too violent for me to enjoy. I just want to drive around like a nutball.

            • stillgrace

              Grand Theft Auto 5 came out last Tuesday. Husband and son playing it earlier. Random crashes that simply turn the PS 3 off!! They’ve decided to wait for the fixes. My son cracked me up. For his first “crime”, he bragged about parking in a handicapped space illegally.

        • Observer

          I love FF, but I don’t dare go near the MMOs. I spend more than enough time online as it is.

          • i-Betty

            They are such time sinks. I have to be really disciplined or I blink and hours have passed. They were happy hours, though πŸ˜€

    • Observer

      I’m a gamer! Mostly Xbox, some PS. Never really got into the Wii.

      • i-Betty

        I knew you were, Obs! I don’t know why, but I just knew it πŸ˜€

      • Andrew Robertson

        I became addicted to computer games about 1987 and was delighted to discover the amazing web site gog.com which offers DRM free downloads of the games from the past that work on modern computers at very reasonable prices. (No more fiddling with DOSbox to get the originals to work). They also release a lot of new Indie games and some surprisingly modern mainstream ones. And their weekend specials are always worth looking at.

        I’ve spent a lot of my life traveling around the world and keep losing things, particularly video games that I’d bought and wanted to play again but could no longer find in the shops. So GOG was a pleasant surprise to find.

        Andrew

  • Kim O’Brien

    Man ..I see that photo of Jenna and it just gets to me…she looks just like my daughter . Shit …i need a glass of wine

    • Eclipse-girl

      All the children are innocent and that is enough to make me need a drink.

  • Suppressive Tomato

    Just wow. Mother of an autistic child, worried about how to get more money to give to her registrar. From the thread on Why We Protest: https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/i-have-a-thetan-who-does-things-to-my-mirror-and-its-annoying-what-should-i-do.105033/page-4

    • Eclipse-girl

      THAT IS SO SAD.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Sure it would. we would both feel lots better and she would be in a condition of doubt about her shitty confront!!!

        • ThetaBara

          But we cannot stoop to Slap Tech. That is THEIR tech! I am sure it is copyrighted, too. We could be sued!

          • Robert Eckert

            Copyrighted AND TRADEMARKED!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      This makes me want just sob into my hands.
      And when I am done with that…I would like to beat the holy shit outta that idiot woman.

      REALLY.

    • SandiCorrena

      yes they’re clearly the salvation of us all!

    • ThetaBara

      *cries*
      Listen, lady, what would REALLY make so many things better would be if you would pay off your damn credit cards and prioritize your family!

    • Gregory Nietsky

      The secret/Postulating/Faith/…. all work some of the time for most folks, the rest of the time they truly believe it works.

      Dawkins says it best no amputee has yet been healed.

      also no one puts a time frame on it and they crow about it often getting the help from fellow faithful. its a self perpetuating delusion.

      if i sit at a red robot and postulate shit it always goes green …. just saying

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    This IAS Tent photo is altered. (calm down Tony O., I know I am instigating yet another conspiracy theory)
    But….
    I keep looking at it. And remembering what it looked like inside and up close.
    Tomorrow, I will go put the pics side by side.
    First off…the tent is HUGE, but that pic??? Scale is still way off.
    (yes, i am tent obsessed)
    If I forget to do this, remind me after coffee tomorrow.

    I am sure this pic is just not quite right (as in reality)

    Doesn’t change the stated facts about the tent.
    It is just buggin me.

    Edit: It is the ceiling.
    WAY too high.
    Looks like a cathedral in the damn pic.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Its hard to tell perspective from the inside shots of the tent in CW that you provided.

      But this tent is at least 30 ft tall, probably close to 50 ft at the peak.

    • stillgrace

      It looks altered to me, too. Count the digital representations of bodies across the width of the tent (towards the podium). Allow 2 and 1/2 feet across per body, and see if that jibes with the width of the tent in Clearwater when you peeked in.

      • Robert Eckert

        It may have been constructed wider at Saint Hill than is being done here. It would seem to be adjustable to fit the available lot.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Would that change the height?

          • Robert Eckert

            I would think the proportions would stay the same. I’m not an engineer.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              The height jumps at me but yes, proportionally it should stay the same for both.
              Otherwise the bodies would start looking like earthworms or something.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Tomorrow. After coffee.
        LOL.

        You darned engineers! πŸ˜‰

        • stillgrace

          LOL, you sound like Mr. Grace! I have to admit, the above photo makes this tent look huge. I’m more interested in the width than the height.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I am interested in both now and I think I have enough pic’s from various angles to do the math to show this above pic is “altered”.
            The sections on these things are usually static, as are door frames…roll up doors (height and width) etc.
            Coffee project for the lulz!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Ok! Towards the podium.YES. dead giveaway.

        I am stopping now…pours a nice glass of zinfandel

        • Captain Howdy

          How do we know it’s the same exact tent used at St. Hill?

          • Ruby

            Check out Rinder’s blog…it was shipped from England…

            • Captain Howdy

              And this tent company only has the one tent? If D.M expected a smaller crowd wouldn’t he order a smaller tent to cover his ass?

            • Ruby

              They probably owned the tent…

            • Captain Howdy

              And the proof of this is?

              I’m sorry, I’m just asking questions that seem kind of obvious to me. I’m sure It’s what you all say.

            • Ruby

              No proof, just an assumption…

          • Robert Eckert

            We followed the whole saga of the disassembly and trans-oceanic shipment of the tent before we started following the construction at Clearwater.

            • Captain Howdy

              Are you sure? I thought a company that rents tents to CofS in the U.K sent a tent to Clearwater? Are there photos or video of the disassemble and shipping?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              There are vids of the erection (in UK) and i really think it IS the same tent (sans flooring substructure)

            • Robert Eckert

              IAS has bought the tent, and apparently the loons are setting up themselves instead of letting the professionals do it. No way are they making this up, because it is just making them look so, so stupid.

            • Robert Eckert

              Here’s vid from the first day after it arrived, and indeed it is the RPFers setting it up, not the pros from Arena Group.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1qloR5SfW8

            • Robert Eckert

              Here’s what the setup looked like when Arena Group did it:

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxnKpUSbtCE

            • noseinabk

              http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?14081-ST-HILL-IAS-EVENT-THIS-WEEKEND

              Look at the white tent next to it. Very large compared to the little mini side tent we see in the pics now. No room for the extra VIP tent?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            How could we? but the silly dwarf paid more to ship it than to buy a new one to get it here.
            And from the pics of the erection in the UK…It sure looks like the same tent to me.
            (and I have touched its plasticey goodness)

            I am still going with altered photo.
            It is easy. It is what they do.

            • Captain Howdy

              We were all sure the cult had officially announced that Super Powers was going to open on Oct. 6…now, not so much.

            • stateofcircle

              haha…erection.

    • Ruby

      Bury, stillgrace, Robert, Eclipse-girl etc…you seriously even have to think about if this is altered?!?
      This is the “church”…OF COURSE it is altered.
      What are you thinking?!?!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        HAHAHA…………..No, I guess your right.
        This is a DUH moment.

        • Ruby

          Ya…enjoy a glass of wine…better spent than wondering if this is an altered photo. πŸ™‚
          Love ya, Bury!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            No kidding.
            I just can’t help but obsess over silly details

            • Ruby

              I know…it can be addictive sometimes. πŸ™‚

            • Sherbet

              Bury, can you put up your photo of the interior of the empty Clearwater tent for comparisons?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yes, I will do that tommorrow morning. I will post side by sides of them for you.

              Right after coffee, green chili and eggs!!!!!!!!!

            • Sherbet

              Sounds like a good plan.

            • stillgrace

              Some of the distortion/illusion can be due to the same “magic lens” crap that they pulled in Portland. But, I think, only SOME.

            • aquaclara

              you’re just citing facts- that ‘s not obsessing, any more than we always do. And if Tony says something, just tell him to stop raining on our tent parade.

              Just look at the littles peoples …they are very tiny. Even by The Tiny One’s standards.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I love both of you.

      • stillgrace

        LOL. We must have scientific proof!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          With REAL Day-ta!!!!

          • stillgrace

            And datums, to boot!

    • aurora50

      Is there a CoS significance to the color hues? they seem to use that saturated sort-of-lobelia blue a lot, for instance.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        They love the blue and gold.
        But I have been looking at some old documents and stuff lately and they also have an “affinity” for that crimsomy, red color in some applications.
        But the Blue and gold seems to be a theme.

        • Ruby

          It brings out the blue in Miscavige’s eyes.
          Seriously…I think I saw Jeff Hawkins mention something along that line somewhere awhile ago…at least about the background sets, so, I imagine it would apply to the whole decor as well.

          • Sherbet

            I always think of their decor as “Fifty Shades of Turquoise.”

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              OMG sherb! lost it on that one!
              Good job

          • aurora50

            Am trying to run down your recollection and came across this: a SEVEN year old article from the Tampa Bay Times: Scientology Nearly Ready To Unveil Super Power!
            http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/06/Tampabay/Scientology_nearly_re.shtml/

            Wonder how those high-power financial wizards cited feel now?

          • aurora50

            from the Wiki article ‘Gold Base’:

            The house is still maintained as if Hubbard is due to turn up
            tomorrow, with glasses of water covered with plastic wrap, toothbrushes
            set out in Hubbard’s multiple personal bathrooms and “identical sets of
            Thom McAnn black thongs ready for him to step into after a shower or
            bath.”
            A full-time staff regularly launders Hubbard’s clothes and cleans the
            property. His cars are kept in the garage with full tanks of gas and the
            keys in the ignition, ready to be used at a moment’s notice.
            The rear of the house incorporates guest apartments and amenities which
            have reportedly been used by Tom Cruise on some of his visits to the
            base.
            According to Headley, “the entire house has different furnishings for
            each season that are routinely swapped out. Furniture, drapes, beds
            sheets etc. are all custom designed to match each season of the year.”
            Adjacent to Bonnie View is the RTC Building, the headquarters of the Religious Technology Center chaired by David Miscavige, the Church’s current leader. The 45,000-square-foot
            building, which was completed in 2004, is said to have cost over $70
            million to construct. According to Tom de Vocht, who was put in charge
            of completing it after it fell years behind schedule and vastly over
            budget, it had been already completed twice over at a cost of over $47
            million – $1,200 per square foot – but on each occasion the entire
            interior had to be ripped out as it did not meet with Miscavige’s
            approval. De Vocht discovered that the building had been so shoddily
            built that it would have collapsed like a pack of cards in even a minor
            earthquake; the walls were not connected to the floors, the whole
            building had a 1.25-inch (3.2 cm) tilt and there were no architectural
            drawings, only renderings of how it should appear. He was ordered to
            rebuild it from the inside out at a cost of a further $23 million.
            Millions more had to be spent on landscaping after Miscavige decreed
            that the building, which is situated in the middle of the Californian
            desert, should appear to be set in a forest.

            Ruby, you can see how ‘match’ came into play with the search.

            As a new-comer to The Bunker and a never-in, I find myself amazed and appalled on a daily basis. I sometimes hesitate to post what I have found, just because it cannot serve much purpose to the overall discussion. However, I am thinking that my bookmarks, once tidied up, might be of some assistance to others who are just discovering this story, which has been playing out right in front of us, in our country and around the world, for the last 30+ years. I will try and work on that and figure out how to share my research. Mostly, it is explication of terms, individuals and events which are of common knowledge to former members and those who have been studying them for years.

            And where would any of us be without Mr Ortega?!

            • Ruby

              Wow! This is just over the top, isn’t it? Thanks for your research. Seeing this stuff is almost unbelievable, yet we know it is true.

        • aurora50

          Thank you.

          Ever since I learned about Pantone, I have been curious about the use of color in megalomaniac display.

          Those jewel tones plus gold are very evocative of Catholic cathedrals, when they are lit up with candles…an experience imprinted on generations of children around the world.

          I think it is what makes us yearn for that kind of ‘home’ again. The ‘smells and bells’ and music were so magical! Perhaps my interest in i-Betty’s games is from a seed planted then…of course, this was back in the olden days!

        • Nevermore

          Blue and gold is a combination typically found in items from the First French Empire/Napoleonic era…

    • Robert Eckert

      Here’s the live video of the 2007 IAS gala under the tent (linked a couple days ago, had to dig it up again) which makes the scale of the tent as they set it up at Saint Hill look consistent with the picture above:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNVNvx7F–k

  • BosonStark

    I don’t understand the tweet between Tom and Baba. Would someone explain it to me? If it’s that Tom Cruise (or his team) are congratulating Baba for sticking up for clam schools, that is astounding. Does he even know what a Pulitzer Prize is and that Lawrence Wright wrote a book about him and his cult? Or is he told that some crank wrote a nasty book about Sciloontology, and his legal dept. will handle it? Is he aware of this relatively tiny promotion for clam schools or is it his team, which are basically calms who handle him?

    • ThetaBara

      Someone else said it’s not even really Tom! Although she seems to think it is. It’s some kind of fansite or something.

      • BosonStark

        Thank you. That’s what I thought.

    • Robert Eckert

      Barbara Walters on the couch-jumping incident, “Larry King Live” Nov. 28 2005

      http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0511/28/lkl.01.html
      (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

      WALTERS: This has been so fast with Katy. I mean you just met her last April. How do you know so fast?

      TOM CRUISE: I just knew, you know. I really just knew. It was an explosion and she’s just, she’s magic and I really, I think that all men should celebrate their women. They should all jump on couches for women. I really — when you find that woman you should absolutely be unabashed about it and that’s how I feel about it.

      WALTERS: That’s so sweet.

      CRUISE: So, I really mean it. I will forever be jumping on couches. And now we’re going to have, you know, children it’s beautiful.

      (END VIDEO CLIP)

      KING: He appears quite happy.

      WALTERS: Yes, I think he is happy.

      KING: I like Tom a lot don’t you?

      WALTERS: Yes, I do. I think, you know, this is — I know you’ve interviewed him many times. This is I think my third or fourth interview with him. This is a very nice man.

      KING: Very.

      WALTERS: Now you may agree or disagree with his views on Scientology or psychiatric drugs and so forth and, you know, we talked about that but he’s a man who wants to do good. He is a sweet man. What interests me is that this was a man who was very private, Larry. Didn’t you find him that way in the past pretty much?

      KING: Yes.

      WALTERS: You know and suddenly in this last year it’s not just, you know, the exuberance of jumping off of the couch and he jumped over the couch on “The View.” Joy Behar put a seat belt on him. But also the fact that he’s decided to reveal for whatever reasons so much about himself and even this interview is so revealing.

  • Jo

    I haven’t read the way to happiness, does it give any advice on loved ones that snore? Night folks, sweet dreams x

    • Eclipse-girl

      Sleep well, And making the person roll onto their side helps.

      • Ruby

        Or a swift kick in the leg

        • Eclipse-girl

          The bruises leave evidence

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Let me tell you about Mr. Nuts.
            He not only snores…he blames me for snoring and keeping him awake!

            I was reading a kindle book on the ipad one night and he was sawing logs.
            He woke himself up snoring, and then whacked me so that “I” would stop snoring and waking him up.
            Seriously…i was wide awake and reading.
            I told him later, while I was laughing my ass off.

            He said it was still my fault…lol

            • Eclipse-girl

              I admit that I can snore, and I can wake myself up because it feels wrong.

              I think I would have real issues getting whacked when I wasn’t asleep.

              You should have asked the Dh to not only make dinner but also do the dishes.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              He does the dishes. and the laundry and takes out the garbage and cuts the lawn.
              I Bunker and bring home his hobby money.
              Life is good.
              But he is still in denial about being the REAL snorer!

            • Ruby

              let him have that one…he sounds like a keeper!

            • aquaclara

              “Bunker”as a verb! That’s a keeper!

            • Eclipse-girl

              Darn it, we spilt cooking and dishes.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Huh! Try being me….i feel wrong all the time.

            • Ruby

              Tape recorder, cell phone video…you get the idea…

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Been there, done that. with the most HILARIOUS recording of him “not” snoring.
              Epic win.

              Ok, so maybe I can be a meanie!
              And yes, I saved the recording and bring it out for holidays or just to be annoying.

            • Ruby

              Not annoying…just, correct! Cuz letting them know we are correct…that’s what we do… πŸ™‚

            • Sherbet

              It doesn’t work here, Chez Sherbet. Husband says, “I can’t help it.” It’s true. He can’t. Some nights I think I’m going to lose my mind.

            • Observer

              Earplugs. It takes a few night so get used to them, but it’s worth making the effort. Mr Observer snores like a buzzsaw, but with the earplugs I sleep like a baby.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yepper. ear max 30’s!
              πŸ˜‰

            • Sherbet

              Heavy-duty nose strips help immensely.

            • Observer

              He doesn’t like them.

            • Sherbet

              Yup, we went through that, too. Until we were stuck in the same room on a vacation, and I insisted. Either that, or he was going to sleep in the car. As for earplugs, I have those airport ear protectors, and I can STILL hear Darth Vader rattling the air in his nose and throat.

            • noseinabk

              Earplugs will be great for me in the future. Since I still have a young one I cant use them.

            • Ruby

              noseinabk…even when they get a bit older…still can’t use them as you need to be able to hear the window or door opening and closing… πŸ™‚

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oh yeah…sneakly little fuckers!

              edit: put pea gravel under the window. Busted!

            • noseinabk

              Ha!!! I know only to well!!!
              Mine are 25, 20 and 11. I guess I could do the earplugs for a bit but you just know that a kid will get sick at 3:02 am. What if I had earplugs in? The guilt would drive me nuts.

            • Ruby

              I know! I have learned to sleep with one ear open at all times. It comes with motherhood.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Cpap my dear. It will change both of your lives or the better. Something CAN be done about it.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              LOL, he has one of those FINALLY. And yes. it has changed the landscape of our lives.

            • Sherbet

              I hadn’t thought of that.

            • noseinabk

              I just looked that up and can not imagine how you could sleep with that. Gotta be a better way. I hope. Its ok though, I only get the urge to suffocate him 2 or 3 times a year.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You pretend you’re a fighter pilot pewpewpew.. Tires you out real quick

            • noseinabk

              If it works for you…
              HAHAHAHA!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              No but my fathers doc sent him one. He took it out of the box, tried it on, mumbled some curse, put it back in the box and never once slept with it on. True story

              They do seem pretty uncomfortable, but I’m guessing the newer ones are better designed

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Honestly? works great. He sleeps so much better and has energy again and has become a gym rat, he has lost 35 pounds and looks and feels wonderful.
              It is wierd…but what a difference.

            • noseinabk

              Hhmm. Do you get it from the Doc.? I kid but do worry about those long breathless moments.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              yes, he was exhausted, had a sleep study and they threw the mask on his face.
              it is great. It is portable and easy.
              And I am a Happy clam….
              Oh WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • noseinabk

              Thanks Bury.I will look into it.
              Oh and enjoy your..clamminess…… thanks.

            • ThetaBara

              +1 for the CPAP. Those long breathless moments are not good. I have several friends who love them. If you like to go camping, you can get one that runs on a battery or plugs in.

            • noseinabk

              Thanks Theta.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I do not use one, but I have 2 friends who do and the Cpap machine has changed their lives. No exaggeration. Loud, constant snoring is a dangerous health problem not just an annoyance. It can lead to severe high blood pressure and the ongoing lack of deep, restful sleep is very harmful. Please check into getting your hubby one. The new ones are much smaller and quieter than the pictures you probably found online.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              See my reply to Noseinabk below…

            • noseinabk

              Not a meanie. This is what I tell my family.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Saving this one!

            • noseinabk

              I have it on my fridge. In my house If you know me and you don’t get it you fail.

            • noseinabk

              UUGGGGHHHH! I tried to record Mr. Nose and every dang time I hit record he woke himself up.

            • Nevermore

              There’s an app that will run quietly all night, and record him snoring…

            • Missionary Kid

              Record it and play it back.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I did. He said I faked the whole thing….lulz.

              This shit is hysterical.
              Doc finally put him on a Cpap machine.

              I don’t have nearly the fun anymore!!!

            • Ruby

              Faked the whole thing…oh that is funny!

      • Jo

        Sorry b4 I go up the wooden hill, bury great advice, will work for Samaritans together, he’s still snoring. He does make a great breakfast, he’s a keeper, need breakfast.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          That is why I keep mine too.
          It is all about the cooking skills.

          • Eclipse-girl

            The same with mine. He actually likes to cook???

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I am not allowed in the kitchen except to fill my wine glass. He is an Expert chef. really.
              I eat like a queen. Absolutely amazing things like Gorgonzola pear tarts.

              He lives to cook!!!

            • Eclipse-girl

              He is not normal and you are very lucky. But then he is lucky, too

            • Ruby

              exactly!!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Aww you guys are so cool.

            • EnthralledObserver

              My man likes to cook too… unfortunately not what I like to eat, but I do not look a gift horse in the mouth – I eat what he serves up, and appreciate it.

            • Aslansown

              Oh my gosh. My dinner was going to Costco and eating lots of samples.

            • Missionary Kid

              I call them hors d’Oeuvres.

            • Kitz

              Right? I’ve done that before as well, lol.

            • Aslansown

              ha ha ha! Today they didn’t have the best selection, but they were OK! They’re REALLY good right before big TV sports events or holidays.

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s my favorite time.

            • Aslansown

              Yeah! Super Bowl weekend was the best!

            • Missionary Kid

              Christmas and Thanksgiving are pretty good, too.

            • Aslansown

              I don’t have a membership so I go with a friend. If I lived closer it might almost be worth it to join…never have to cook dinner again! πŸ˜‰

            • Missionary Kid

              Some days, the food samples are so unbalanced from a dietary stand point, will give you your daily quota of salt, sugar, and fats without filling you up.

            • Aslansown

              That’s true — it wouldn’t be very healthy. The other day I filled up on hot mini cinnamon buns and bacon.

            • Kitz

              My problem is that whenever I go into that store, my list of 4 or 5 things always ends up as a full shopping cart and an emptier checking account. πŸ™

            • Aslansown

              Very common with me too. And who doesn’t need 2 ENORMOUS boxes of Frosted Flakes?

            • Kitz

              So jealous! I haven’t had someone cook me dinner in years!! Alas, the troubles of being a snarky, smart assed bitch… No one wants to be around me. πŸ˜‰

            • Missionary Kid

              Don’t believe it. I’ve met Kitz, and she’s a very nice, intelligent, woman.

              Hi, from Missionary Kid!

            • Kitz

              LOL! Hi there. πŸ˜€

              I was on my best behavior, and slightly paranoid (thanks Michael πŸ˜› ) that day. You obviously missed the ‘don’t fuck with me, or things will go bad’ look I had on my face most of the time, hehe. I had a great time meeting you and Bella, and really enjoyed our conversation!

              Ask Michael, I’m normally no where near that polite or nice 99% of the time. πŸ˜‰

            • Missionary Kid

              You just seemed a bit distracted at times, but from your comments, you were listening closely, and when you talked, you were right on point.

              I had the feeling that if someone tried to bother us, you’d be in their face VERY quickly.

            • Kitz

              Thanks. πŸ™‚ My hearing isn’t the best in the world, so I did miss some of the conversation unfortunately. I do try to avoid confrontation as much as possible, but I have a tendency to not back down if it comes to me. I usually realize after the fact it might not have been the best decision to make at the time. πŸ˜‰ I’m terribly protective of my friends and family as well.

            • Missionary Kid

              Hey, you noticed that I was leaning forward, didn’t you? My friends are telling me it’s hearing aid time.

              I didn’t feel that you were ready to confront us, but anyone else that may have been following Michael. or eavesdropping. I thought you had a protective attitude towards Michael, especially after the way Co$ fucked him over. I had that feeling of protectiveness towards him, too, but I realized that he is well able to take care of himself. If anyone had bothered him or us, they’d have had everyone else backing him up.

              I had the distinct feeling that Michael enjoys educating people about $cientology. He definitely tries to look at the underlying motivations, actions, and positions of the {church}.

            • Kitz

              I wasn’t meaning being confrontational towards you or Bella, sorry if it came across that way. πŸ™‚ Large crowds and big cities put me on edge anyway, so I crowd sweep whenever I’m in a situation like that, lol. He’s been followed before, so it was actually expected. πŸ™‚

              Educating others is something he does enjoy (from my perspective… I’m in no way speaking for him!!) to keep them from falling into the same trap that him and others did. Eventually, with all the people speaking out against the cos, no one else will ever be taken in and abused.

            • Missionary Kid

              I had no feeling that you were confrontational to us, but ready to TCB if we were interrupted or bothered. I’m glad you were on watch, because I really enjoyed talking to you & Michael and Bella, and I completely was off guard.

              When Michael texted me when I went out to put more money in the meter, I wasn’t thinking about any sort of security until I got it. I guess that’s the result of experience.

              While there’s no way that I or Bella would ever get involved with Co$, Michael was valuable to talk to because he doesn’t just look at the actions that Co$ took against him, but really is able to step back and look at the overall picture of their operations.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Yes, It say to smother them with a nice fluffy pillow with at least 600 thread count pillowcases.

      • Sandy

        BTW – Bury – I do hate those high thread count slippery sheets. WAAY overrated, if u ever had ‘um on your bed. Sersly…

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I love them.
          Higher not always better.
          I am tellin ya, stop at 600THC.

          600THC was my goldilocks moment.

    • Sidney18511

      I would punch Mr. Sidney in the arm and he would look at me and turn on to his side. Worked like a charm.

    • Espiando

      You can try my solution: develop a form of bipolar disorder that disinclines you to have relationships. I wouldn’t recommend it, but the drugs you get for it are pretty good.

  • aurora50

    β€œIf you really want to enslave people, tell them that you’re going to give them total freedom.”- L. Ron Hubbard

    http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/2006/03/23/ebner-undercover-scientology-spy-magazine-1996/
    I found this, Ebner’s first story on Sci at Spy magazine…wonder what Graydon Carter, notoriously now at Vanity Fair, would think of an approach to do an update? I suspect some of you here know more about that?

    • jeff

      That LRH quote is one I’ve never seen. It does, however, sum up the “philosophy” of Scientology rather succinctly.

  • Sherbet

    Goodnight, kiddies. Let’s do this tomorrow. Maybe something catastrophic will have happened to the cult by then.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Good night. Sleep well

    • Ruby

      nighty night.

      • Miss Tia

        ‘night!! I’m off to bed myself!!

        • Ruby

          happy dreams!

          • Miss Tia

            You too!

    • ThetaBara

      How about tomorrow afternoon something happens? I am all out of popcorn!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        go to store. get provisions!

        • ThetaBara

          But… but… I’d have to log off!

          • noseinabk

            Not only log off, but the dreaded refresh!!!!

            • i-Betty

              Oh, the dreaded refresh! Painful, painful, painful!

  • Miss Tia

    Bedtime funny picture! No wonder they think google is hearsay! πŸ™‚

    If y’all would be so kind to give feedback/suggestions on the site I made before I start posted it places, tweeting it, etc I’d appreciate it! ‘Fall is Approaching’ is a neutral title as I don’t want anything questionable to be showing on a tab. I posted it earlier but that was like 700 or so comments ago and got some great feedback! πŸ™‚ And I am gonna add the UK Xseaorg # too! http://misstia.com/lrh.html

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Nice job Miss Tia.

      • WhereIsSHE

        Can you connect to that site?
        I can’t.

        • noseinabk

          I did when she posted it before but not now.

          • WhereIsSHE

            Thanks for the reply.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          http://misstia.com/lrh.html

          Try this

          Ditto: now we are getting an error

    • Espiando

      Yes, yes, and yes. And that’s first-hand, not hearsay.

    • aegerprimo

      My Google hearsay also has Scientology is… a joke, a scam

    • ThetaBara

      Love your site. Great idea. I have a few copyedit suggestions for you, just little niggly things. (It’s one of my superpowers, seeing little linty stuff like that in copy.) I’ll go over it in the morning and get back to you. πŸ˜‰

      • i-Betty

        Once everybody has given Tia their suggestions and she’s happy that it’s good to go, we can add the link to the PSA.

        I have some really interesting news about an unforeseen consequence of our PSA, but I will wait until tomorrow to post it because I need to figure out which bits I can talk about. It will make you all happy πŸ™‚

        • Rita Gregory

          Cool, a teaser! πŸ™‚

          • i-Betty

            Heehee πŸ˜€ Sorry I can’t say more! I really want to, but I must ask the other person whether they are happy for me to pass on what they said.

            I have just emailed them, asking for permission, and will be guided by what they want me to do.

            xx

      • Miss Tia

        THANK YOU!!! I appreciate your superpowers greatly!

    • i-Betty

      In case you couldn’t find it in among the scrummage of 473,000 comments, the UK number is (0208) 864 4940.

      Such a lovely job, Tia πŸ™‚

      • Miss Tia

        THANK YOU!!! I was gonna go to the hearsay machine to probably find it! πŸ˜‰ I will add that this AM!

    • Sarah James

      Love it, Miss Tia!

    • Rita Gregory

      Like the site Miss Tia!

  • i-Betty

    Sweet dreams those of you who are still awake πŸ™‚ One last posting of the PSA then I’m off to my lovely clean bed, hooray!

    xxx

    • Eclipse-girl

      Your PSA is wonderful.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Goodnight socks by the fire, goodnight Betty

      • Robert Eckert

        Goodnight to your three-leaf clover, I see.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Only in honor of Heisenberg’s final week.

      • Betty

        What?

        • aurora50

          A loving gesture in a household without central heating, or a mountain cabin, for instance, is to place a pair of wool socks, and perhaps flannel jammies or a nightgown, in front of the fire, to warm up.

          Then your child, or your sweet-heart, puts them on before jumping into bed under layers of down ‘puffs’ or woolen quilts…
          perhaps that is an experience life has yet to bring you…good luck!

          • Missionary Kid

            That’s not i-Betty, but a troll.

            • q-bird

              but that sure was a pretty image aurora50 painted there eh Kid?

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. Too bad it’s wasted on Betty.

            • q-bird

              Yes maybe, but then again maybe not ~ Betty just wants someone, anyone, to talk to ‘her’ and sHe doesn’t have anything of value to add to today’s conversation, SO… she naturally picks little fights. Of course you recognize the child-like peace theta. Clear as a dumb bell.

            • aurora50

              I know…isn’t it sad she/he never had warm wooly socks and jammies before popping into bed?

        • ThetaBara

          Betty. Is this what you joined Scientology to do?
          Has it delivered what it offers?
          Or does it only blame you.
          I don’t think you’re dumb.
          I do think you might be surprised at what you would find, if you looked.
          Come and join us! We’re not so bad. In fact, we’re pretty nice.
          There are numerous options.

          • Gregory Nietsky

            may bark a bit but wont bite.

            many of us are just wogs for various reasons are “anti” Scientology i personally and sure most others would appreciate some balanced input and a “internal” perspective.

            and please note ad-holmium “attacks” may happen against certain personalities Kirstie Ally/Miscavige in there absence. stiring the pot “trolling” will get the same treatment but most would welcome honest input pro or con.

            • ThetaBara

              Yes. I have nothing but love for the still-ins – anyone trapped in this terrible world.
              It doesn’t have to be like that. You CAN just blow. Others have. There are people out here who would love to step up and help. We want to help!
              Freeloader debt isn’t even legal! They CAN’T make you pay it,

    • aurora50

      You have been so gracious and welcoming; however, a comment below has given me pause. As a never-in, I must have trespassed in some unknown fashion. Will step back for now.
      Blessings on the Work.
      Aurora

  • i-Betty

    Helplines:

    1-800-XSeaOrg

    866-XSEAORG

    Toll Free (973-2674)

    United Kingdom (0208) 864 4940

    If you’re a Scientologist reading Tony’s blog here at the Underground Bunker and you’re having doubts about your religion, whether it be the doctrine, the incessant, relentless regging or the leadership, but are afraid to leave because it’s all you’ve known, or you’re afraid of what to expect on the ‘outside’, please give the numbers on Glibby’s poster (below) a call. You can speak anonymously and in strict confidence to somebody who can help you.

    I promise you, the outside world isn’t the enemy. As in all walks of life, some people are idiots, but most people are kind, hard working, honest, loving individuals, just living their lives. Many, many people have already left Scientology and are living happy, fulfilling, peaceful lives filled with family and friends – old and new – who love them. They, too, felt your fears as they began their break away from the church. Some took a leap of faith and discovered that the landing was soft, welcoming and forgiving. Some needed to take baby steps. But they all moved in one direction: towards the door.

    For them, every day is now an adventure and they are the architects of their own lives.

    You may be feeling:

    Sadness and loss over saying “goodbye” to those ideals in the group you thought you could admire, the fellow members you thought were your true friends, or the time and money spent following something which turned out to be false…

    Fear, that this may have been your last hope for happiness, success, enlightenment, or your eternity; that you are no longer protected by the powers of your leader and are vulnerable to evil; that you will make bad decisions for yourself without the group’s guidance, or that you will be punished for leaving…

    Loneliness, at the thought of leaving intensive relationships, and now needing to reconnect with family and friends who live in a manner that your religion criticized…

    Confusion, about what to believe, and how to make good decisions for yourself and your future…

    Guilt, possibly associated with having broken ties to loved ones, or for having recruited others into Scientology…

    Shame, when realising you were involved in an organisation that maybe made you behave in a way that you’re not proud of…

    If Auditing and training are still important to you they are both available outside the church, but without any of the hoops attached which you are currently expected to jump through…it is cheaper, and there will be no sec checking.

    Last, but by no means least, the Freeloader Debt is NOT legally enforceable – that means they can’t make you pay it.

    Call those numbers. It might just be the first step to the rest of your life.

    And call your family. Please. They never stopped loving you and hoping that one day you would come back to them. Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays are near. Give them a call, send them your love. No guilt, no shame.

    We wish you so much luck and love.

    The Bunkerites.

  • Alpha 2

    We should start having shoop contests. What would be a good very specific shoop to do?

    Someone had suggested Kirstie Alley in a bubble, with Tony holding a large pin to pop it, but I won’t put Tony in a shoop (unless he approves it).

    • Eclipse-girl

      I want to see DM as Dr Frank – N – Furter , only tiny

      • Alpha 2

        Smaller than this?

        • Eclipse-girl

          The scale is good.

      • Espiando

        I have never been in favor of this shoop. Partially out of my love for Rocky Horror, partially at the thought that someone like The Dark Lord Chuckles The Silly Piggy should never be shooped on someone as outright cool as Frank, partially out of the sheer nausea at the mere thought of DM in a bustier, and partially out of the fear that anyone who does a shoop like this will be given a fatwa from OSA for the whole “Sweet Transvestite” thing.

        Do it to Dr. Scott instead. I don’t give a shit about him.

        • ThetaBara

          Espi, I have never been more in agreement with you.

    • Rita Gregory

      Observer suggested Leah as a replacement for Tony, great idea!

      • Alpha 2

        Ohh I was working on that!!! So many of Leah’s better quality photos are fairly non-PG-13, surprisingly enough!

        • Rita Gregory

          You could use the leaning over the pool table with a cig, maybe she could pop the bubble with the cig.

          • Alpha 2

            THAT was actually my top choice!! Good call!

            • Rita Gregory

              That is a great pic!

            • Alpha 2

              Indeed!

    • aurora50

      People in bubbles…though these are having fun!
      Perhaps shoop raw material?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl98-HwR15s

    • Orglodyte

      Incredibly, this is not a shoop.

      • jeff

        I remember that TV movie on a serious subject – severe inherited (not acquired) immune compromise. The woman who played his mom in that was his real life girlfriend, many years his senior who died very young in real life.

      • ThetaBara

        Have you seen this? Unbelievable.

        • Orglodyte

          I know, right? I saw a little of it, I think. It was a 70’s TV movie. So fitting.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      DM, in a Power Wheels car, stuck at an intersection, fuming mad because he can’t make the light turn green

    • ThetaBara

      Put Anonymous in with the pin!

  • Betty

    I think you guys need to stop obsessing, very lame

    • jeff

      What are your crimes?

      • Betty

        If keeping in-ethics is a crime, then Im a crinimal.

        • jeff

          You said it. Ethics in Scientology is an oxymoron.

          • Espiando

            With emphasis on the “moron”.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Dear Betty,
          It is unethical AND criminal what they are making you do here.
          Please stay, read, and browse. Stay for a long time. We are not the enemy you know.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Hold on for just a sec.. She didn’t admit to anything criminal.. She was stating that she may be crinimal. So we have an MU. Start over

            • Missionary Kid

              “Betty” is a troll who’s been here before, and, according to one of our computer people is a he.

            • Robert Eckert

              This is not necessarily the same “Betty” as before, as this is a brand-new Disqus account. The chance of a pure coincidence would, however, seem quite small.

            • Betty

              Genius

            • Robert Eckert

              I know I am, but what are you?

        • Espiando

          My way of keeping in ethics involves punching you in the tits. Would that be acceptable?

          • Betty

            Acknowledged. I feel that seems unethical, or off policy

            • Espiando

              It’s my policy, and it’s totally acceptable because I’m at Cause Over Everything. Marty said I was.

            • Betty

              Why would I care what that person said

            • Espiando

              Because he’s an OTVIII and a Class XII. If he doesn’t know Cause Over Everything, no one does.

            • Betty

              I wasnt talking about ex apostates types like that

            • Espiando

              So if he’s a former apostate, that means he’s back in the good graces of all believers and therefore his word must be taken as authoritative. I’m therefore at Cause Over Everything. Prepare for a donkey punch in the tits.

            • jeff

              Logic is not one of the Scientologist’s strong suits.

            • Betty

              EXactly!! Im so happy you seen things the way that I do, that is awesome! Thanks!

            • jeff

              Huh?

            • Rita Gregory

              You replied to Betty not Espiando.

            • jeff

              In errata. That’s why I changed “their” to “the Scientologist’s”

            • Rita Gregory

              Betty by your response I take it you don’t think Scientologists are logical?

            • jeff

              In fairness, it originally said “their” and not “the Scientologist’s”

            • Rita Gregory

              I understand and appreciate your clarification. πŸ™‚

            • Poison Ivy

              “Ex Apostates”?

              Ummmm….dear Betty. That phrase is contradictory and redundant.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Because the lawsuit between COB and Monique Rathbun (Marty’s wife) will bring down the cult you are in and finally set you free. I wish that freedom for you and all the other Sea Org and OSA slaves.

          • Rita Gregory

            Now, now espi no violence!

        • ThetaBara

          Good luck with your A-Es.
          The way out is through the exit door.
          Freeloader debt is NOT legal – they cannot force you to pay it!

    • Espiando

      So, we have a new Betty on our hands. Real, or Hail Marcabia?

      • Missionary Kid

        This is Betty, not i-Betty.

        • Espiando

          No, MK, we had a previous troll/Scilon named Betty. This is a new account. I had my suspicions that the previous Betty was Marcabian Commander. Neither of these Betties have anything to do with our beloved i-Betty, who’s now sleeping the sleep of the just.

        • Betty

          Dont now about this other i betty, but doesnt matter

      • q-bird

        artificial Espi ~ pretty lure, huh?

      • ThetaBara

        Obvious Sock is Obvious.
        C’mon, you’ve been around the block a few times!

    • q-bird

      oh ho! Hi Betty! You’re back! Well of course you are.

      Fitting right in again too I see…

      joining in with the “lame obsessing”

      Have you noticed – you can’t stop coming here either!!!

      • Betty

        illogical nonsense

        • q-bird

          agreed – goodnight Betty.

  • media_lush

    ….. first sighting of Tiny Fists out in the open……

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    Yooho-o-o-o Betty, where are you? Still here?
    Just wanted to get to know you better. Please introduce yourself and tell us a little a bit yourself and what your day’s been like so far.
    I am just wondering if you had 3 full nutritious hot meals today, how many hours you have to sit at this computer on this shift, are you on the day shift or night shift, is your boss nice to you and are you frequently complimented on work well done, do you like your job, are your coworkers friendly and kind to you, how much sleep did you get last night and how many hours will you get tonight, do you get to see your family as often as you like, do you like wearing blue pants and plain shirts as a uniform, have you been hugged by someone today because they care about you and your well being, or kissed affectionately and had your hand held with tenderness, and so on… you know, just trying to get to know you a little. We really are friendly here and like discussing things with new friends such as yourself.
    Again I invite you to stay and read and most importantly, have fun!

    • Betty

      Looser

      • Espiando

        Like your bowels when all those beans take effect?

      • SLIM

        Hey Betty …Are you scientologist?
        Cause I’m thinking of joining up…
        What kind of things should I expect?

        • Betty

          You couldnt’ pass the IQ test. LOL

          • Robert Eckert

            IQ tests are the invention of psychologists.

            • ThetaBara

              What ISN’T?!

              LOL!

          • SLIM

            Is that the only test…?
            Don’t most people do shit?
            Isn’t that the hook?

            Edit…..I’m a Rhodes scholar…
            Didn’t Lron fancy Cecil?

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Ah I see. Your cult made you drop out of school and you don’t know how to spell. To help you, you meant to call me a ‘loser’ not a ‘looser.’ After all, I object to your suggestion that my morals should be expanded or something. See already, by being denied an education, we have a big misunderstanding.

      • media_lush

        “Looser””…. is that the way your rectum’s been getting lately or did you you mean ‘loser’

        • Betty

          Rectii are not polite to be spoken of

          • jeff

            The correct Latin plural is recta.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Ok “Betty” we’re on to you. And you really are no fun nor clever.

            • Guest

              Meanie

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Thnx! It’s my pleasure.

            • jeff

              They’re multiplying (they being the genetic entities)!

      • SLIM

        Wasn’t Beck a Looser?….Uh…Loser…

      • Andrew Robertson

        Looser than what? Or did you mean loser?

        Andrew

      • ThetaBara

        So, is this what you joined Scientology to do?

    • Robert Eckert

      It is doubtful that Betty is a Scientologist. More likely this is a troll spoofing a Scientologist (deliberate typos, mis-spellings and grammar errors etc.)

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Bless you for the clarification. I can finally go to sleep and stop worrying about what condition Betty’s condition was in.
        Good night then.

        • Missionary Kid

          Sweet dreams. May they be of your beloved 300SL

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Hi MK.! Gosh darn I’ve been looking for you all week but I think you got lost in the middle of the huge comment pileups the Bunker has been experiencing these past two months while I was gone and without internet. Big hug hello ‘ole pal.

            • Missionary Kid

              ((((HUG))))

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Thnx and good nite. I’ll be on the look out for you from now on.
              Bunker Good.
              Find Lost Friend.

      • Andrew Robertson

        That could well be true, but on the other hand, having observed public Scientologists working as OSA volunteers since around 1991 shuddering Internet suppression into silence, I’ve noticed a surprising number of them are quite proud of their illiteracy. Wog grammar and spelling rules don’t interest them. Neither do apostrophes.

        Andrew

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      More like he’s been lurking in the Bunker all day, logged off his main account he chats with lately, and logged on another to lurk. He collects Disqus accounts for whatever reason. He doesn’t hate the bunker, in fact he really likes a lot of the people here. Sometimes he stirs up weak trolls because he’s bored. The poor grammar, punctuation and spelling are not an act, it could very well be because its his second or third language. He’s actually a decent person, anti-Scientology, but also swings hard at lulz attempts and whiffs. And that’s ok.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Got it. Thnx.

      • Guest

        I’m sure the fact that you are collecting that info wouldn’t be very comforting to certain people that come here

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Lol dude you’re on at the exact same times that I am. I see your posts constantly and can recognize simple patterns when they repeat.

          Then I record the patterns in neatly organized files and report directly to COB

          • Guest

            Very reassuring

        • Missionary Kid

          He’s NSA, not OSA.

          • Guest

            lol

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Actually, I was a high school chemistry teacher. Then I got cancer, yada yada yada… Now I sell meth.

            • Rita Gregory

              Bahahahahah!

            • Guest

              you should sell your story to cable

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Are you still here Betty?! Turn off the computer, leave your parent’s basement and GTFO!! This is your second and last warning.

            • Missionary Kid

              Gee, where have I heard that story before?

  • i-Betty

    GAH! This is a fly-by request that somebody please pass on a fairly urgent message to Glibwog if they see her before I do.

    I’ve just heard back from Chuck Beatty about which is the correct toll free number for his XSEAORG service…and it turns out the one we have on our sign (1-800-XSeaOrg) actually goes to a dating or sex chat line….Chuck just called it himself!!!!!

    The correct number is 866-XSEAORG

    I’ve changed the text of the PSA, but we will need to change all 3 signs before we post them again.

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry, so I’m coming down on the side of laughing πŸ˜›

    XXXSEAORG is not quite the message we want to be putting out there!

    Aaaaand back to bed where I need to start training myself not to check my phone every time I stir in the night – except this time I’m really glad I did.

    xxx

    One day we will roar with laughter about this!

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Oh shit, now THIS is a good troll!

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Yes, get some sleep! I’ll pass on the word when I can. You have to admit that was fuckin hilarious tho, right?

      • i-Betty

        You did a great job tracking her down, thanks Jimmy. It’s all sorted now πŸ™‚ x

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      I just woke. Read your message. Was aghast at first but then laughed. After some zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, hope can do the same.
      I-Betty, you are such a great human being. thnx for all your (ongoing, it seems) work. Thnx to quick thinking Mr. Beatty, too!

      • i-Betty

        You’re lovely, too! And I managed to laugh my head off after I’d got over the panic πŸ˜€

  • Gregory Nietsky

    Mornin folks do not give em water , feed them after midnight, and they dont like bright lights …. shine on em ….

  • Sydjazz

    Is barbara a secret scion? Or just sucking up to top cat? How many engrams does a tomato have?

  • Sydjazz

    Tomato tell me can you remember your past life?

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yes, I was a bad cucumber. Can I go now?

      • Sydjazz

        Attack of the killer tomatoes?

        • DodoTheLaser

          Can the tomatoes have floating needles when they realize they are really onions?

          • Sydjazz

            Wow that’s deep lol. I wonder what secrets the tomato spilled.

            • Sydjazz

              How much would he charge a tomato for auditing?

            • DodoTheLaser

              Class XII rates. No charge though. Fixed donations are accepted.

    • Nevermore

      So apart from all the other stuff, he was also a tomato molester. Was nothing safe from him?

  • DodoTheLaser

    Just for the record, and as a follow up to the highly irresponsible and uninformed comments about education recently made by famous public figures and renown educators as Jaden Smith and Barbara Walters – I personally witnessed a teenager being told by a scientology OT staff recruiter/registrar to drop out of school and re-join staff, because the regular school is such a joke, you see. What was offered instead as “the real deal” education wise?

    Key To Life (KTL) and Life Orientation (LOC) scientology courses and GED quickie to make it all legit.

    Ironically, neither of those two courses are popular or delivered anymore, not that it would matter much anyway.

    The kid above was actually crying under all the pressure to re-join staff. I’ve seen the tears on his face. Fortunately he graduated high school, got a degree in college and doing really good.

    So as his Mom, who is not on staff anymore either and was SP declared.

    The whole entire subject of scientology’s version of education consists of:

    – explaining how to use a dictionary and familiarization with the alphabet

    – introducing simplified and a bit redefined grammar

    – stressing on looking up words, using little objects, sketches ans clay to have mass, plus gradients

    – the check sheets.

    The rest is Hubbard’s lectures full of incredible humble brag woo-woo stories, some false data stripping Tek,
    a whole bunch of word-clearing methods, mostly using an E-Meter, to make it all look more sophisticated, scientific and legit.

    I think I covered most of it, if not all.

    Somehow, schools, colleges and universities don’t feel like they need to adopt any of the above.
    May be because they already teach most of it. For hundreds of years. Without E-Meters.

    • 0tessa

      This is so true.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thank you, I think so too.

    • aquaclara

      Great firsthand report, Dodo!

      • DodoTheLaser

        I appreciate it. I didn’t make any of it up. Thank you for reading it all.

        • aquaclara

          The school stuff bothers me. It affects kids, and just keeps the cycle going. How are you, btw?

          • DodoTheLaser

            I agree, hence my super long post. I am well, thank you. You?

            • aquaclara

              Very good, thanks! Glad it is Saturday!

            • DodoTheLaser

              πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

    • Gregory Nietsky

      And the E-Meter has no credibility back int the 50’s / 60’s sure perhaps people believed it was as advertised.

      It does not measure engram mass but skin resistance, this is a reflection of various things and lying is one of them if you believe what crap you spewing it shows, the repetitive nature of the questions is a way to reach this belief. folks there is a colloquial name for it “BRAINWASHING”.

  • Exterrier

    Yes, I spent a New Year’s Eve in part in that tent. Pac Base in L.A., and Isaac Hayes provided the music as we danced. Fun, and we dodged the reg tables set up to sell us stuff. I went to three events that night, and that was the only Sceino one. Must have been in the late 90’s, or maybe 2000, actually. It is probably the same tent, as it seemed to hold about the amount of people described. It was there at PAC Base a long time, in the big parking lot, for the IAS and other events that year. Scn had a feel of success and expansion then, before all the Net controversy and the Tom Cruise craziness and the losing battle with Anonymous. The calm before the STORM.

  • Nevermore

    And now, a PSA from the Day Shift, courtesy of the wonderful i-Betty, who is currently tucked up in bed, asleep!

    Helplines:866-XSEAORG
    Toll Free (973-2674)
    United Kingdom (0208) 864 4940

    If you’re a Scientologist reading Tony’s blog here at the Underground Bunker and you’re having doubts about your religion, whether it be the doctrine, the incessant, relentless regging or the leadership, but are afraid to leave because it’s all you’ve known, or you’re afraid of what to expect on the ‘outside’, please give the numbers on Glibby’s poster (below) a call. You can speak anonymously and in strict confidence to somebody who can help you.

    I promise you, the outside world isn’t the enemy. As in all walks of life, some people are idiots, but most people are kind, hard working, honest, loving individuals, just living their lives. Many, many people have already left Scientology and are living happy, fulfilling, peaceful lives filled with family and friends – old and new – who love them. They, too, felt your fears as they began their break away from the church. Some took a leap of faith and discovered that the landing was soft, welcoming and forgiving. Some needed to take baby steps. But they all moved in one direction: towards the door.

    For them, every day is now an adventure and they are the architects of their own lives.

    You may be feeling:

    Sadness and loss over saying “goodbye” to those ideals in the group you thought you could admire, the fellow members you thought were your true friends, or the time and money spent following something which turned out to be false…

    Fear, that this may have been your last hope for happiness, success, enlightenment, or your eternity; that you are no longer protected by the powers of your leader and are vulnerable to evil; that you will make bad decisions for yourself without the group’s guidance, or that you will be punished for leaving…

    Loneliness, at the thought of leaving intensive relationships, and now needing to reconnect with family and friends who live in a manner that your religion criticized…

    Confusion, about what to believe, and how to make good decisions for yourself and your future…

    Guilt, possibly associated with having broken ties to loved ones, or for having recruited others into Scientology…

    Shame, when realising you were involved in an organisation that maybe made you behave in a way that you’re not proud of…

    If Auditing and training are still important to you they are both available outside the church, but without any of the hoops attached which you are currently expected to jump through…it is cheaper, and there will be no sec checking.

    Last, but by no means least, the Freeloader Debt is NOT legally enforceable – that means they can’t make you pay it.

    Call those numbers. It might just be the first step to the rest of your life.

    And call your family. Please. They never stopped loving you and hoping that one day you would come back to them. Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays are near. Give them a call, send them your love. No guilt, no shame.

    We wish you so much luck and love.

    The Bunkerites.

    • Truthiwant

      As an Ex-Scientologist I totally agree with what you have written.

      The insisting that Scientology is your ‘eternity’ and if you leave you are doomed is a total lie.

      Take it from me. I have been through it and I know.

      • Nevermore

        [[[HUG]]]

        Oh ye gods, I am hugging people in a public forum – I have obviously been spending too much time with you American chaps! I shall have to re-starch my stiff upper lip!

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Funneeee! Have lived in USA and now in part of the Commonwealth. I understand your comment thoroughly. Made even funnier with your Van Gogh avatar beside it.

    • i-Betty

      Never, you little, twinkly star. Thank you! xxxxx

  • Jeb Burton

    Baba probably finds Cruise to be a charming person and doesnt want to believe the truth about scientology. I know that not all muslims are terrorists, all catholics are not molesters, and all Mormons are not homophobic. But everything negative about scientology appears to be true. I dont know of any stories about the cult that didnt turn out to have happened.

  • Sydjazz

    Nanannana leader. The leader looks like miscavige a bit.

  • Nevermore

    You know, the more I think of that little shit dissing education, the more annoyed I get. I’ve been researching my family history, and have loads of documents, like birth certificates, where they can only sign themselves with an ‘X’. They couldn’t get an education, and that little fuckwit is turning his nose up at it?? I don’t usually agree with beating children, but in his case I would make an exception.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    What an excellent update!

    Jenna’s comments are about as firsthand insider disproof of Barbara Walters’ flawed opinions as anyone could ask for! What great statements, ones to be requoted and pushed in the superficial media people’s faces like Walters. I can’t stand to watch Walters. There’s so much more important info n the world to read rather than listen to crappy TV.

    Thanks so much to Jonny Jacobsen for him staying on top of the legal cases in EU, and to you Tony for highlighting Jonny’s writings on his blog. Jonny first broke in a short news item Jenna’s story, factually, he got it out just before the major TV media broke Jenna’s story.

    The Rutherford response ticked me off. Their one sentence shows they make sausage out of the facts about Scientology,, and mold those facts into their “freedom of religion” mantra. It’s an ok mantra, but the facts don’t fit their mantra! It smacks of intellectual sophistry rather than even listening to say, Hugh Urban’s points about the religion label being correct or not, for Scientology. Major dodging and intellectual laziness is what it is. Hugh Urban’s book is something Rutherford people need to read! Rutherford is right to support religious freedom, but they at least need to make mention of what Hugh Urban pointed out! Hugh Urban should be prodded to discuss Rutherford’s response to you, Tony.

    So good on you Tony for pointing up two “institutions”: Walters and Rutherford, for their falling down on their jobs.

    Here’s the Rutherford sentence that galled me:

    Rutherford: “Many religions, including Scientology, Mormons, and other Christian sects like Methodists, are not limited to a traditional one-on-one Catholic-style clergy-penitent relationship, and it is often the case that either for the purpose of advice and counsel or for reasons of seeking absolution, privileged information will be transmitted from one clergyman to another. We believe that the court’s ruling that the privilege is destroyed in such a circumstance represents discrimination among the different religions, which the First Amendment cannot tolerate.”

    This statement ought be dismembered for it’s false equivalences that this sentence fails to honestly detail.

    Scientology’s Office of Special Affairs “Handling Programs” are the ultimate conclusive raw evidence of Scientology’s irreligious misuse of parishioner’s Ethics and Case folders!

    We need a good scholarly paper focused solely on OSA’s “Handling Programs” which are the most despicable internal proof of Scientology’s sham “religious” tactics.

    Scientology’s culling of the person’s Ethics and Case folders, like is done to obtain the buttons to push on their enemy ex members, the “Handling Programs” just need more leaking and discussion by scholars who judge religions. (It’s OSA’s organized weekly-daily steps they follow, all based to focus on their ex members’ weaknesses obtained by the religious practices Scientology priorly interchanged with those once members.)

    It’s like another elephant stampeding through the room, there’s so many important elephants, they blot out the other elephants.

    Mark Ebner is terrific! What a guy!

    You’re a treasure Tony! You really pack in so much each blog, unbelievable!

    I suggest Hugh Urban be once and a while asked to give his take on things, like this Rutherford answer, that is something Hugh ought to be asked about, especially in relation to the false equivalences, since Scientology’s factual foul misuse of parishioner’s Ethics and Case folders, the dastardly OSA “Handling Programs” are just still brought into this discussion and the “Handling Programs” ought to be. (What directly preceded Kiyle Brennan’s death, was the seemingly innocuous but pressure tactics in the “Handling Program” issued to Kyle’s father, by the Master at Arms for the Flag Service Organization, the Clearwater “mecca” church of Scientology—and that “Handling Program” came from the Ethics and Case services and the folders of Kyle’s father’s.)

    This shit all matters, the details that is. Hugh or some other academic ought to do a paper on OSA’s behind the scenes paper trail laying out Scientology’s misuse of the movement’s parishioner Ethics and Case files.

    Thankyou Tony for going into such incredible detail.

    .

    • ze moo

      No matter how the appeal goes, ultimately, no court can find auditing folders ‘confessional’ in nature. The sheer number of non-auditors (confessors in $cieno) who have access to them renders them public knowledge. I do hope the supremes don’t get involved, the time and expense are a drag on resources.

  • Tory Christman
  • Barbara Angel

    Dear Jenna, Barbara Walters is now 83 and so filled with poly-filler its probably affected her brain, or whats left of it? More and more snippets of gossip are saying she’s suffering from senility, so her brain has turned to porridge. Strongly doubting that she can be called on to say anything useful at this stage. So please ignore that silly old woman. Anyone with ‘half’ a brain can see that a lack of education is obviously a handicap. I’ve seen writings of poor little $cientology trolls on the various web sites and they stand out due to shocking spelling and grammar. In regards to spelling, we all have spell check on our computers, but you have to at least know which one is the correct spelling. So unfortunately it says a lot for the allegedly wonderful $cientology education. That poor little rich kid Smith (forgotten his first name) is being betrayed by his parents. Yep, lets all drop out of school???? He needs a good slap in the head and be made to go to a proper school with adequate “non violent” discipline. I’d like to slap him and his stupid parents for allowing him to advocate such rubbish to other dumb teens, but truthfully
    we all know ‘violence’ is not the answer. So don’t waste your time on Porridge brain Walters, she has one foot in the grave and another on a banana skin. Too bad we can’t say the same for Dwarfenfuror. Best wishes and kind regards. Thank you so much for your book and your courage in exposing $cientology for what it truly is… A Criminal Enterprise.