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What the Daily News Left Out of its Story on Scientology in Harlem

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We were amused to see the word “EXCLUSIVE” slapped onto the title of yesterday’s story in the Daily News about Scientology building a community center in Harlem.

Back in 2007, the Village Voice, where we worked, was one of several publications to write stories about Scientology spending millions to buy some properties on 125th Street, saying that it would open a new community center in “a couple of years.”

Yesterday, the “Exclusive” news in the Daily News was that a chapel and cafe are still a year away from opening (or so church spokespeople claim), and the community center is even farther from completion.

That’s news?

Well, actually it is news — if by news, you mean that after six years and untold millions in renovations, the Church of Scientology still isn’t really even close to opening its new center in Harlem. But that’s not the thrust of the Daily News item, which cites the Harlem development as “part of a new effort to expand the sect’s base from Hollywood to urban areas.”

Well, there is truth in that statement. The Harlem project follows a similar attempt to engage the black community of the Los Angeles area with its 2011 “Ideal Org” and community center in Inglewood, California.

And we also have to give the Daily News reporters credit for quoting Operation Clambake’s Andreas Heldal-Lund and Carnegie Mellon University professor Dave Touretzky, who each contributed skepticism about the Harlem project’s chances for success.

But not mentioned in the story is that there’s already a Scientology outpost in Harlem, on Adam Clayton Powell Boulevard, between 141st and 142nd Streets. The storefront showed up recently in a humorous video featuring a man who questioned the reported ties between Scientology and the Nation of Islam. He got a fairly chilly reception from the Harlem mission workers.

We also found it interesting that the Daily News story provides support for the notion of Scientology going after a more diverse membership by mentioning that the church is working on a new facility in Chicago.

…Which we’ve been meaning to say something about, so this may be as good a time as any.

Sindy Fagen used to be a member of the Chicago Org, and lately, she’s been filling us in on what a disaster the Chicago “Ideal Org” project is turning out to be. In February 2007, Scientology spent a reported $4 million for the historic Artcraft Building at 650 S. Clark St and then, Sindy tells us, rapidly pushed out the building’s paying tenants.

The church was in a big hurry to turn the Artcraft into one of Scientology’s “Ideal” renovation projects, and told reporters that it would be transformed and opened for business by summer 2008.

Instead, after its tenants moved out, the building sat empty and crumbling, and the city of Chicago is losing its patience with the church.

After repeated orders to fix numerous problems that continue to go unrepaired, the city in June filed a lawsuit against Scientology, asking the Cook County Circuit Court to hit the church with a fine of $2,000 “for each day said violations have existed and/or exist.”

Ouch! Sindy tells us a hearing is scheduled for October 9 in the case. We’ve left several messages with the city’s attorneys hoping for more information.

And let us add one last thing about Scientology’s efforts to recruit in black neighborhoods. When the Inglewood facility opened, who can forget David Miscavige’s glowing words about the sort of people he was hoping to attract…

“Talk about a permeating and penetrating culture. Or to put it another way, most white folks wouldn’t have a clue what it means to be cool if it weren’t for Black America.”

Yep. Just as awkward today as when he said it in 2011.

 
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What Leah Remini Will Want to Avoid on Dancing With The Stars

After TMZ broke the news yesterday that Leah Remini will be appearing in the 17th season of DWTS, many commenters immediately wondered if it was some sort of payback or competition with Kirstie Alley, who has appeared twice in the series. After the news broke last month that Remini was leaving the Church of Scientology, Alley went medieval on her former friend through Twitter. Is DWTS Leah’s chance to answer back in a manner short of speaking publicly about her defection?

One thing’s for sure: Leah will want to avoid this sort of tumble that Kirstie famously suffered in 2011…

 

 
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More on the Arborcide of Clearwater

In case you didn’t see it in our comments yesterday, several of our readers sent complaints to Clearwater, Florida mayor George N. Cretekos about the Church of Scientology’s illegal removal of two healthy live-oak trees to make way for a tent south of its Super Power Building. The mayor sent out identical replies to several Bunkerites, and here’s the text of his message…

Because of your interest in the Church of Scientology’s plans for the opening of its new “Flag Building,” I regret, as you, that two trees have been stealthily removed. The City of Clearwater was attempting to work with representatives of the Church of Scientology to ensure that any action taken would be in compliance with city codes. Unfortunately, another approach was found to be more convenient.

This disrespect for the City of Clearwater’s ordinances and environment is most troubling, and I am grateful that the city’s other institutions set a better example. As much as I would like to penalize the Church of Scientology for this action, I doubt that any court would uphold such action because the current laws of the city must be applied equally for all residents, businesses, and institutions. Consequently, the city will have to review its current codes to consider increasing the fines or applying some other penalty for future violations of the city’s tree ordinances by anyone.

Finally, please understand that the City of Clearwater remains committed to the “Tree City” program. It is unfair to state that the city is not deserving of that title because one institution cut down a tree, any more than it would be fair to take the designation away from the city because your neighbor cut down a tree without a permit.

With best wishes and warm, personal regards, I am

Sincerely,

George N. Cretekos
Mayor, City of Clearwater

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on August 29, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Krew13

    Are Sciloons really so fucking brainwashed and braindead that no alarm bells ring when they get bombarded on a daily basis with demands for more donations? I guess it’s a foregone conclusion with mega rube Nancy Cartwright, she of the $10m donation. She’s such a ronbot, she probably has a Pavlovian response to each and every email by donating a $1000 at a time.

    “New buildings! We’re building new buildings! Help make the world a better place by donating so we can complete a new building! And to ensure the COB gets his gourmet meals six times a day! Oops, we weren’t supposed to say that out loud.”

    • Ciru

      Let’s just say your donations moved me.

      TO A BIGGER HOUSE!

      • Krew13

        Great Simpsons quote!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Yeah…..Whatever happened to “clearing the planet”.

      • Minion Gayle

        He’s clearing it of their cash.

      • richelieu jr

        And tree cover…. DM the 21st century’s Agent Orange.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Who knew it meant forest clearing? It all makes sense now, the cowardly lion won’t have anything osbructing his view. That way he and his flying monkeys can spot the subpoena servers from miles away.

      • GlibWog

        They did Bury.. They cleared it of 2 trees.. Duh..

      • Exterrier

        “Clearing the Planet”?
        He’s doing it by slowly buying up white elephant buildings one at a time. It is a slow, but inexorable takeover, but one day all buildings will be sea morgues. Like Dutch Elm disease, actually, speaking of trees.

    • noseinabk

      I think I know how little Davey’s comes up with his building strategy. Just like the game, you simply build new buildings and they will come!

      • Mark

        He must be one of the few who foolishly bought the dire ‘Sim City 5’ (or “Sim Village” as it’s been dubbed) in that case. Sales of the old ‘Sim City 4’ have recently rocketed.

        Maybe if someone bought him a copy of ‘The Sims’ he’d leave real people alone, while he obsessively plays with his simulated dollies.

        • monkeyknickers

          Sim City 5 is supposed to suck??

          • mirele

            Yup, by all accounts it’s truly sucktastic. It’s apparently driven people to look at similar citybuilding games to get their fix (e.g., Tropico 4, one of my favorite games).

            • mirele

              I just realized I had a whole long weekend to be the dictator of my own Caribbean Island! Sucks to be you, Davey!

            • monkeyknickers

              Shit! I was really looking forward to that . . . .

              Tropico 4 is fun?

    • Veritas

      This would be a legitimate angle from which to attack the COB. Any number of high-ranking SCN officials could band together through a need for fiscal responsibility. Miscavige would have a tough time fighting against a group of “upstat” “in-ethics” church members who are legitimately concerned he is committing fraud. Indeed, there are probably legal venues along these lines.

      • richelieu jr

        Except they’d be downstat in a wink because of all the SecChecking they’d be doing…

        “Couldn’t cut down your quota of trees because you were in session? STOP BACK FLASHING! THAT’S NOT OK!”

        • RMycroft

          I didn’t want to be an Auditor, I wanted to be … a lumberjack!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa26_esLBE

          • monkeyknickers

            I cut down trees and wear high heels!

            (monty python made me the girl I am today. We only had like 3 channels for a long time and one was PBS and at midnight on Fridays they re-broadcast – well, to be fair – RE re re re broadcast the Flying Circus and I would sneak out of bed to watch with the sound on REALLY low so I wouldn’t get whupped. Monty Python and National Geographic mags we had in school made me realize . . . . “omg I’m legit wacky. And a democrat. Whattya know.”

            • junojones

              The Flying Circus is likewise one of my favorite childhood memories, partially because it was somewhat ‘forbidden fruit’. I don’t know why my parents were nervous, I can think of worse role models.

              I knew my own oldest was special when he chose as a toddler to watch Gilliam’s Baron Munchausen as his favorite everyday flick over all the disney and other stuff we had. Dunno if it made a difference but at 22 he is an expert on movies, politically insightful, and a hoot to talk to…

            • monkeyknickers

              I TOTALLY remember that movie!! I’m so glad you mentioned it!

              And now – to YouTube!

              (thx) 🙂

      • villagedianne

        They are too afraid of being ratted on, and disconnection.
        Still, this may have been what Debbie Cook was trying to create.

    • GlibWog

      Krew.. I miss your Butt Avi

      • Krew13

        I wanted a change. Don’t fear. Cartman’s butt will return.

  • Nevermore

    I suspect Mr Cretekos is a tad pissed off about the trees, but his city’s current by-laws effectively tie his hands. Of course, there’s nothing to stop them beefing up the laws to deal with future transgressions – and I don’t doubt there will be more, because $cientology apparently thinks it can just walk all over the citizens of Clearwater. It would be good to see them taught that this is not the case.

    And I suspect Leah is a FAR better dancer than Krustie!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      And he has a week to find out what he really needs to put on the scientology permit checklist. You know, he wouldn’t want to be irresponsible and forget a single one, thoroughly. Getting permits for Anything in Pinellas County (county Clearwater is located). Construction is the worst. It’s chaotic and unnecessarily complicated. It appeared to me over the years that it was also arbitrary. Certain clerks seemed to be ones to avoid at all costs. Delays and costs add up very fast sometimes.

      So if there is going to be any “that’s unfair” whining after scientology recieves their “list”, there’s a good 20 year history of in kind whining from many a contractor as well as residents. September 5. Another date to slam on the calendar.

  • FLUNK_101

    “Talk about a permeating and penetrating culture. Or to put it another way, most white folks wouldn’t have a clue what it means to be cool if it weren’t for Black America.”

    “Yep. Just as awkward today as when he said it in 2011.”

    Is awkwardness a perceptic? Or, in Davey’s case, a super power?

    • tetloj

      Bazinga!

    • Missionary Kid

      One of the few things I’ve contributed to the different lists I’ve compiled:

      Miscavage’s Law: If there’s a way of fucking things up, he will.

  • tetloj

    Can international people vote for DWTS contestants online. Love for Leah to stay a really l o n g time.

    • filosofa

      I’m hoping it may be possible to catch it on You Tube. If we can vote from the UK I will, and I’m not even a fan of the show. But Leah Remini deserves support for far more that any dancing skills she may possess. Go Leah…

    • tetloj

      Just read that Snooki and Farrah Abraham’s are also appearing. That’s some real bottom of the barrel reality TV offering. Not sure that’s the kind of has been company Leah needs.

      • mirele

        Oh my…Jersey goombah and teen mom, what a show.

        • Poison Ivy

          That’s my beef with DWTS. I think Leah should be aiming higher than that.

  • Krew13

    This is probably the lulziest attempt by the Sciloons to recruit from the black community. They even wheeled out a godawful talentless rapper to try and make the Sciloons look hip and cool.

    Funniest moment is the batshit bizarre “5th of November, the day we always remember”. Have they retroactively made Guy Fawkes a Sciloon?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z7mR0LkYXQ

    • Nevermore

      Cos, yeah, it’s not like a black person listens to anything except rap or the Jacksons. Sigh. They really are totally inept, aren’t they? Mr Fawkes was a Yorkshireman. Good, solid folk, with no time for rubbish – $ciloonery would go down like the Titanic there!

    • filosofa

      I was genuinely astonished to see the Guy Fawkes masks on the performers at that Co$ event. Were the dancers secret fifth columnist agents for Anonymous?!!
      The dumb $ciloons apparently don’t see the unintended irony in using the iconic masks made so famous round the world by their sworn enemies, the brave protesters from Anonymous.
      Double irony – Guy Fawkes was burned at the stake for his part in the plot against King and Parliament, a fact that is known to every schoolkid in the UK today and why we have Bonfire Night every November 5th. The effigy of Guy Fawkes sits atop bonfires across the land and fireworks light up the winter skies from John O’ Groats to Lands End.
      The Co$ are indeed experienced in treasonous plots against the US Government, so should US citizens now burn effigy’s of ELron and Miscsavage every year in memory of Operation Snow White?

      Remember, remember the fifth of November
      Gunpowder, treason and plot
      I see no reason why gunpowder treason
      Should ever be forgot…

      17th century rhyme.

      • RMycroft

        Guy Fawkes was never burnt at the stake. (That would be for heresy.) The death penalty for traitors at the time was drawing and quartering: Being hanged until almost death, guts pulled out and burnt, body hacked into quarters and displayed here and there about the kingdom.

        From reports, Guy managed to “escape” the more unpleasant parts by breaking his neck on the gallows. His body was still gutted and quartered.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged_and_quartered

        • filosofa

          Yep, I know – doh, my mistake! I corrected it asap.

        • Poison Ivy

          Yes, the gutting alive part would definitely have been the most unpleasant bit.

        • Johan

          What a charming institution…

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Scientology management has campaigned and targeted black participation Only when it was desperate. In the past those campaigns ended in disaster and the few suckered in promptly left, one in cop cars, one was escorted out under guard. The Inglewood and Harlem campaigns differ from the past ones because previously it was set up as recruitment missions. Scientology has always been short of slaves. The reason is pretty simple. If an org brings in $100,000 and has 20 completions, the upper org starts demanding $200,000 and 50 completions. It’s an addictive little enterprise.

      Putting an org up for a black membership means management has gotten a memo that Some blacks actually have money. So those at upper management levels who’s limited interaction with a (gasp) real live black person is from the 70’s or maybe 80’s experiences at the orgs, but they must have had an executive briefing where a couple of rap tunes were played so the crew would be “in present time” about black culture. The few blacks in scientology’s history are either dead or so Stepfordized, They are still stuck in the past so they are of no help. Think I’m kidding? Top org execs don’t have Time for studying any culture. They’re too busy clearing the planet. Just don’t stop and ask them Who exactly. Details are for wogs, or juniors.

      Scientology’s Ideal Black Person is still Alfreddie Johnson who has no trouble sleeping after a day of scamming hs own brothers and sisters and even the desperate mothers trying to help their children with a better life. Scumbag is way to nice a word and I can’t say the better ones here.

      • Krew13

        Yes you can. For example, Miscmidget is an evil cunt.

      • Poison Ivy

        Don’t forget “Chill EB!”

    • WhereIsSHE

      I want the ~2 minutes (I spent watching this crap) of my life back.
      With interest.

      • Krew13

        Please direct your request for a refund to Mr David Miscmidget. In order to process your refund, you will have to pay $3000.

  • Still waiting for the first shop-front of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology to be truly taken over by the Nation of Islam. Chicago or NY? Is it me, or have we had more graduations etc leaks from the east coast?

    Whether the mayor likes it or not, Clearwater deserves the designation “cult city.” Sorry.

    • 1subgenius

      From what I’ve heard, the Detroit NOI “Mosque” is in effect an org. Auditing is being done there. I believe that this is the model of how the NOI/COS unholy alliance operates.
      But guess what. The community has been alerted.

      • 1subgenius

        This is easy.

      • Detroit, eh? Still no west coast. Is that a general NOI thing?

        • 1subgenius

          Is what a general NOI thing?

        • Poison Ivy

          Detroit is in such a mess right now. Leave it to Scientology to go in under the radar and target people who are desperate to improve their lives against all odds.
          “Find their ruin” indeed.
          This is evil stuff, people.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            This is part of OSA’s job, PI…to find out the weak areas in society, in a country, down to your neighborhood is something pops up that gets their attention …. just like a snake or hyena or spider. Then they slither or slide in to infiltrate and begin the “grooming” process … yeah, just like exactly what you’re thinking.

            • Poison Ivy

              Yep. Just like what child molesters do.

          • monkeyknickers

            It’s the domestic version of mormons in eastern europe.

            well – it’s the domestic version of . . . . scientology in eastern europe too I suppose.

            • mirele

              I’d just note that apparently Mormonism is being afflicted by a “Google apostasy;” that is, due to Internet usage, people are informing themselves about the problems with Mormon claims. As more and better Internet usage goes into place around the world, the Mormon missionary effort is stalling out.

              Oddly enough, the Mormon church leadership apparently believes the future of proselytising is on the Internet. New missionaries are being encouraged to get specific Facebook accounts and they’re being issued iPads. However, the leadership doesn’t seem to get that there is a huge elephant in the living room as far as the information available to anyone who just does a casual search on Google or Bing or wherever.

            • Poison Ivy

              Ruh roh.

            • monkeyknickers

              The dicks.

              someone’s god almighty!

          • villagedianne

            Maybe they need more Sea Org slaves. So it’s cheaper to find home-grown desperate people, and they speak English.

      • Exterrier

        Jeesh. An Ideal Mosque. What next? An “ideal car wash”, an “ideal nail parlor”? The possibilities seem unlimited.

    • tetloj

      As I watched the video I did muse that if not for her otherwise butt-awfulness I could have appreciated sensuous moves from a larger (not regulation Hollywood prepubescent looking) Woman. But, she is what she is, so as you say, carry on…

      • ThetaBara

        Her moves were clumsy, though. You can do graceful moves at any size. Even her hands were just not smooth.

    • filosofa

      Thanks. I intend to! :))

    • Poison Ivy

      Tory Magoo has written and YouTubed about why so many OT’s gain weight here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXnijavzwAI
      Great stuff. She’s my hero.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        This is a classic. There are, however, several other reasons. One has to do with Adrenal system which when stressed and exhausted, especially over long periods of time, sets up eternal havoc with other systems having to do with hormones and if untreated, eventually immune system. Sleep deprivation only adds to this. So this affects both public and staff. Staff subsist on diets loaded with the bad carbs, the starches, low if any on lean proteins, and mountains of fake sugar or just sweets. The other factor is pure raw constant stress coupled with no to little vigorous exercises, such as public members who work in offices all day then sit in courserooms or auditing rooms at night or weekends. They might get one hour a week exercise and think that will do it. It doesn’t. Out of all, excluding what Tory talks about with the OT’s eating habits, the Adrenal system assaults are probably the most common and devastating in terms of long term effects on health, and definitely part of the weight gain OR weight loss so many experience, yet few know about this.

        • Poison Ivy

          There have actually been studies about lack of sleep contributing to problems of weight loss.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Human Growth Hormone (HGH) is at its highest production when you are asleep. HGH burns the fat. A good night’s sleep is important to regulate your weight.

            • Poison Ivy

              Wow I didn’t know that! Thanks, Eclipse!

      • FLUNK_101

        “I finally stopped dieting, and I decided I need to learn how to eat …” – Magoo

        That’s weight watchers!

        It’s the best weight loss plan, short of actually seeing a nutritionist.

        It teaches you how to eat, (what to eat and how much), so you’re not hungry, but you lose weight.

        The few months I spent doing Weight Watchers taught me a lot. The habits I formed have helped me to keep my weight down and stay slim ever since.

  • RMycroft

    Scientology used to have a yearly announcement that they were opening the Chicago Artcraft Building “in the next year”. Either they eventually stopped, or the Chicago papers just round-file it now. Don’t these Suppressives know that the project is running on Super Power Time?

    • Missionary Kid

      Kinda like Island Time, huh?

    • FGFM

      I live down the street and never see any activity in the place.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Thanks. Always appreciated to have a man on the street or woman on the street up to the minute report.

  • baddog5623

    The city needs to put two new transplanted trees back

    • Nevermore

      And the {church} needs to meet all costs associated with replacing them.

      • ze moo

        I doubt very much that the trees will be replaced. The CO$ wants or has that property for the new “L R H Library”. All they need is a building permit and they can start work. I would like to take bets on how long it takes to build it. Even money on 11 years……..

    • RMycroft

      The parking lot where the trees were is where Scientology’s auditorium is supposed to go. After all, they need a new perpetual building project to strong-arm donations for.

      • BosonStark

        Yup, they need that new building project more than ever or someone might notice the oiliness table and ask what its for.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        What is pathetic is that it will forever and a day before they do anything with that space!
        Tree Killing fuckwads!

        • Robert Eckert

          We should plant two live-oak acorns and see if they build their auditorium before the seedlings are taller than David Miscavige.

          • aquaclara

            This is pretty funny.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          As You Like It!

    • George Layton

      Then they will have to shoop them out in the photos.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I suggested those who contacted the Mayor and got a response that maybe a new tree planting campaign theme would cool off the residents and businessowners here who are HOT about all this. There has been an existing tree campaign. Just picture banners like this all over Clearwater.

      http://i43.tinypic.com/3149qpd.jpg

  • Missionary Kid

    Even though $cientology keeps buying buildings for rehabilitation, they are crappy building owners. Work is supposedly started, then left uncompleted for a long time. Tenants are few and far between, or are kicked out. Buildings sit vacant. Just the cost of utilities on a vacant building must be substantial.

    They truly are mOrgs.

    It’s as if Davy’s attention span is scattered, and he only has work done on them when he can pay attention to them.

    • Graham

      “they are crappy building owners. Work is supposedly started, then left uncompleted for a long time.”

      Y’know, that really surprises me. What with all their super OT powerz ‘n all, the LRH management tech, their ability to do public-relationsness, have power over MEST etc etc you’d think their buildings would be superb- Ideal even 🙂

      • Missionary Kid

        And with all of their {superior organization and business skills} they’d be ideally finished years ago and would be brimming with new recruits.

      • monkeyknickers

        EXACTLY.

        You know, I distinctly remember this re-run of Fantasy Island where Ann Jillian had telekinesis and didn’t even have to get up for snacks; she could just like . . . postulate a banana from the tree and stuff.

        I honestly just now forgot where I was going with this.
        I saw something shiny and then was thinking about lunch and how I really need to cut Ashleen’s hair and . . . . and . . . .

        Oh yeah! They should hire Ann Jillian! Oh haha haha haha!

        {Good story}, Monkey-self. Eyeroll times 2. Yeesh.

      • Poison Ivy

        Yeah, I mean, look at that Volunteer Minister from the booklet yesterday! Why not find him and put him in charge of all the ideal orgs? I mean, look how fast he found that guy pouring “poison” into the restaurant’s food? That dude could kick ass and take names!

        • ThetaBara

          He blew in ’82.

    • Sunny Sands

      They are untaxed vacant buildings.

      • Missionary Kid

        They may be untaxed, but they represent money that could been spent somewhere else, as well as the fact that there are utility costs and costs for not maintaining a building because it deteriorates just sitting there.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          It’ like giving all your money to an addict for home repairs and expecting home repairs to be done. It’s called enabling.

          • Missionary Kid

            Anyone giving money to LRH’s scam is and was enabling.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I feel for the municipalities that have lost huge amounts of property tax when the Co$ buys an historic building

  • RMycroft

    Have they cleaned up the Harlem site yet? I believe there was a truly nasty amount of contamination there.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/new-scientology-org-in-harlem-to-be-built-on-contaminated-land.69102/

  • BosonStark

    Most folks wouldn’t have a clue what it means to be a crazy Scientologist, if it weren’t Tom Cruise saying they’re the only ones who can really help at car accidents. KSW, baby.

    • Veritas

      Indeed, they currently have a dire need to hide the embarrassing craziness at the core of scientology.

      In this situation, celebrities actually work against you. Another failure in LRH’s foresight.

  • mook

    Unseen footage of Kirstie’s DWTS rehearsals
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_R5_tAaI1G0

    • filosofa

      ololololol! I love that scene! Well done. I’ll refrain from spoilers so that everyone enjoys it.

    • GlibWog

      Mook.. Wow.. She was a little thinner back then. Must have been all that exercise.

      • richelieu jr

        Easy for you to say== It wasn’t your leg she was falling on!

  • BosonStark

    I picture an image consultant telling Miscavige that since L. Ron Hubbard was a racist dork and a half, they need to “cool” it up with more Black people and start rapin. Joining Scientology’s Sea Org is a way for Black people to return to their roots as slaves and serve their White Master, David Miscavige.

    Couldn’t they just give a photo of L. Ron Hubbard a nose ring or something?

    • 1subgenius

      Did you mean “rappin'”?

      • BosonStark

        Corrected.

    • sugarplumfairy

      When are they going to start wooing Asians? No fundraising for a Chinatown org yet?

      • KJP in Portland

        I think the Asians are a little too smart for their nonsense…

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I dunno. They built a mountain out of Dianetics in Taiwan.

          Of course at least it was sorta practical.

          • Graham

            They built a mountain- but did they sell any? (Of course any other “church” would have given them away- I’ve never heard of the JW’s charging for copies of The Watchtower)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Nope, I think it was Boston who did the math….can’t remember….but it appears there were more copies of Dianetics in that stupid stack than in all the libraries on earth.
              Cool eh?

            • mirele

              The JWs used to charge for the Watchtower and other literature in the USA. I’ve looked around and can’t find exactly why that practice was discontinued, but I believe it was due to some tax implications in the USA.

  • q-bird

    Oh that LRH ~ {{{he is so clever & funny}}}

    http://youtu.be/zZaOeAahrjw

    • filosofa

      Fine use of sarcasm brackets there, q-bird.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Ok, I admit, I have never watched Dancing with the Stars. But I did watch that clip.
    That poor dude hurt himself.
    I was impressed that Krustie was able to bounce back up that quick and at least they finished the “dance?” OK.
    Ok, that was my “nice” for the week.
    I think I must need more coffee.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I saw it when it happened.. To me it seemed choreographed and was supposed to be funny, but when it didn’t go over as expected, they just let it slide and didn’t say anything..

      • 1subgenius

        Highly doubtful.

      • filosofa

        I was concerned about Krusty for a second ’til I remembered she had enough padding to soften the fall.
        Hope it was just choreographed, the poor guy looked like he really hurt himself carrying the weight of the delightful Ms Alleys thigh.

        • Yes, because fat people don’t get hurt when they fall. It’s not like fat people are PEOPLE or anything. And Kristie was so very fat there, yep, not average at all.

          • filosofa

            Oh, no. I honestly meant no offense – I’m no lightweight myself. If it wasn’t for the sheer, unmitigated hypocrisy of trying to sell a bogus “weight control” system to the wog public, whilst also supporting a vicious cult I would have nothing to say. But she does, so I do. Please accept my apologies if I offended you.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Yeah, there’s no need for bullying tactics. It’s fine to go after her behavior as a bully, or a scam artist with her quack weight loss schemes, or her actions and verbal abuse as a narcissist. I mean, there’s plenty there to be honestly enraged about anyway.

            • filosofa

              Yes, I can see how that might come across as bullying tactics and I’m genuinely sorry If I offended. You are quite right, there is more than enough to dislike her for and I will not be snarky about her weight any more. In many way’s she’s more to be pitied than censured but she is just so horrid…
              Are we good now?

          • Eclipse-girl

            I don’t watch DWTS. I understand that KA lost weight during the season. But KA really wasn’t dancing and she was still overweight in that dance. She was not average. She had a flattering dress.

      • Robert Eckert
        • sugarplumfairy

          Best movie of all time..

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            This is a Alamo. Can you say Aaaalaaaamoooooo?

    • 1subgenius

      I watch, at times, mostly to see if there’s any injuries. (Dancing is hard.)
      I have always thought that people watch car racing for the same reason. (I do) After all, you can’t really claim its a dangerous thing unless there’s a crash once in a while.
      .

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        That is why I always liked Hockey.
        I like the blood…hell with the ice skating!

        • 1subgenius

          I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out.

    • FLUNK_101

      She doesn’t dance … the guy dances around her, only she fell on him … if the poor guy had a hard on, and she bent it backwards, he’d have to go to the hospital.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Ouch!….But I don’t think there would be too much danger of that while dancing with Krustie!

    • richelieu jr

      Of course she could ‘bounce back’, she hadn’t just had Krusty land full on on her knee!

    • monkeyknickers

      Well – I don’t think it’s one of those nice or not nice things. She’d been setting up the joke for years and years and years, with all the sitcoms and weight watchers and stuff.

      We just knocked it down.

      Seriously – what ELSE can you think?

      And I think are fantastically evil and snarky, just so you know. I don’t think any less of you. BUT YES PLEASE HAVE MORE COFFEE.

      :))))

  • Ka-Pow!

    found this recently, has it been posted onthis blog before?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aATQ46sbiAQ

    • noseinabk

      Tony linked to this in the article. 🙂

      • Ka-Pow!

        oh crap, well nevermind, should possibly read it all before posting next time.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Lots of things get posted more than once.. sometimes Refreshers are good..

  • KJP in Portland

    I liked watching these 2 guys…kudos!

    • filosofa

      The one guy – I think his name is Dr Ali Mohammed, If I’m wrong someone will soon correct me – showed true aplomb when dealing with the Co$ representatives. Bravo guys.

  • DMSTCC

    Will Krustie call on John Allender to Harding the situation?

    • 1subgenius

      Deep.
      I’m so gonna use “Harding the situation.”
      Will take 10 minutes of explanation of the reference. Should be funny.

      • RMycroft

        Krustie on ice skates. A frightening image.

  • 1subgenius

    The only problem I have with Leah on DWTS is that its a neutral to negative career move for her.
    It should be called “Dancing With The B-Listers”.
    inb4clisters

    • Karen715

      On the other hand, it makes it difficult for the {church} to ridicule her career. How can they say that her career is floundering and that she is criticizing them for publicity, if she does the same show one of their {biggest} stars did? (Not to mention Priscilla Presley, who also appeared one season.)

      ETA: And if she actually wins, so much the better!

    • Poison Ivy

      “B”? Mostly “C” and “D” listers.

      • Robert Eckert

        subgenius should have added inb4dlisters

  • Nevermore

    OK guys, let’s have a singalong!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyNh1j3dsp8

    • filosofa

      I lolled at “…the price of that freedom we all must pay”. Yeah, $cilons all must pay, and pay, and pay…

    • Mark

      Good – the version with labels pointing out all those who subsequently died, disappeared or blew the org.

    • Sherbet

      Mike Rinder called: He wants to know if Observer can PhotoShop a different head onto his body.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Or at least shoop out the ‘stache. Mercy!

        • Sherbet

          He has a mustache in that video? I see a chin fringe, but no ‘stache.

        • Ruby

          Rinder is the one behind Miscaviage’s right shoulder. I think the person with the stache is Mark Ingber?

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            correcto

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Ah. I do not know the old-timers of Scientology.

    • Krew13

      Do you think Miscmidget is aware of the irony of him lip-syncing along to a song called We Stand Tall?

      • Ruby

        I believe someone reported, on an earlier posting, that he is standing on some sort of box as well…

        • Poison Ivy

          I wonder if Davey travels with Apple Boxes?

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            No, too much excess baggage on his jets. He just stands on his slaves.

      • ThetaBara

        Shut up! He is a BIG BEING!

  • Xique

    The video taken in Harlem is revealing. It wraps up with the cameraman having it out with “white women”/staff member. He informs her that he’s lived here all his goddamn life and no white woman is going to tell him he can’t film on the street. “I don’t give a damn about no Scientology” he exclaims. She half heartedly says “Well, you can not film me.” This entire video is excellent and clealy shows the complications that are in store for the church. The fun never ends.
    Thanks Tony for posting this one.

    • Yet THEY can film former $cienos and invade their privacy with cameras? It’s totally legal to film on a public street! And actually with that current court ruling in NYC about those ‘art photos’ it’s even legal to be across the street in a building and take pictures of others in THEIR building!

    • richelieu jr

      If you follow a few inks, the guy does seem to be some official spokesperson for NOI..

      Though he keeps bad mouthing Scientology on minute, then claiming he ‘hypnotises’ people with emeters the next…

      • Robert Eckert

        He considers himself to represent the genuine original NoI teachings, and is upset by Farrakhan’s deviations in more ways than just the unholy alliance with Scientology.

        • richelieu jr

          Yeah, that’s be my take as well, though I didn’t listen to more than Chapter 1….

    • Poison Ivy

      Tony, I really love the guy who fronts this video. He’s outstanding – clearly quite savvy and very, very well-read on the whole issue. He’s pretty clearly not buying Scientology’s lies about improving the community. I also love his “confront”. It’s so far superior to the TR-indoctrinated “confront” – and you know why? Because he is operating from knowledge, not programming, and because he’s actually listening to the person he’s confronting and forming his responses based on her answers. Ummmm….real communication?

      I’m curious about what his organization’s end game is – expose NOI/Scientology connection to warn people? He says they’re “teachers” – are they involved w/NOI or just advocates for the community? Can you find him and interview him? I wonder if he knows about LRH’s horrendously disgusting racism? (I posted 2 days ago but will re-post here because it’s apropos):

      (These are all REAL LRH statements, people:)

      “The South African native is probably the one impossible person to train in the entire world — he is probably impossible by any human standard.”

      “As long as a white foreman is there, they will prevent soil erosion; but the moment that a white foreman turns his back — boo! There goes the whole program. And you finally get up to the point of where he’s [native] supposed to take care of something, a lesson which has never been taught to the native of South Africa.”

      “The insanity rate per capita in South Africa is appalling. …it is easily seen that a primary requisite in any programme of the rehabilitation of the Bantu in South Africa would be mental health…”

      “The Church’s auditing tool, the E-meter, requires adjustment in order to accommodate the needle’s larger movements because of the intensity of a black South African’s undisclosed transgressions (“withholds”).

      “…the African tribesman, with his complete contempt for truth and his emphasis on brutality and savagery for others but not for himself, is a no-civilization.”

      “The reason that Africans feel barbarous is because of their numerous overts that have resulted from being exposed to a “fantastic amount of space opera ” and a hostile environment.”

      “[Y]ou’ll find in Africans a fantastic amount of heavy space opera and so on, going on … which makes the colored African very, very interesting to process because he doesn’t know why he goes through all these dances … and why he feels so barbarous ….”

      “They took people who were totally dedicated to certain tribal procedures … and said, “You’re free.” And they said, “Free. Free? Free. Ah! You mean there’s no police anymore.” Boom! Boom!”

      “…the Zulu is only outside the bars of a madhouse because there are no madhouses provided by his tribe. … primitives are far more aberrated than civilized peoples. Their savageness, their unprogressiveness, their incidence of illness …”

      “The problem of South Africa is different than the world thinks. There is no native problem. The native worker gets more than white workers do in England! […] The South African government is not a police state. It’s easier on people than the United States government!”

      “But they served with great enthusiasm. Those people sure can work. The African sure can work. That’s one thing nobody has ever quite noticed about them. They are very hard-working people.”

      “Illiterate cultures do not survive and they are not very high. The natives of the tribe of the Bugga Bugga Booga Boogas down in Lower Bugga Wugga Booga Woog are mostly no longer with us, or they are around waving red flags today and revolting against their central government. And they didn’t learn fast. Their literacy was not up to absorbing culture rapidly.They’ve been very happily down amongst the bong-bong trees, you know, dancing up and down amongst the bong-bong trees, and the highest level of their interest and so forth was their own back yard.”

      “You shouldn’t be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself a nigger; that’s what they’re born for.” (–L. Ron Hubbard, in a letter to first wife, Polly)

      “Actually, have you ever noticed how a Negro, in particular down south, where they’re pretty close to the soil, personifies MEST? The gatepost and the wagon and the whip and anything around there—a hat. They talk to them, you know. “What’sa mattuh wi’ you hat?” They imbue them with personality.”

      “Unlike yellow and brown people, the white does not usually believe he can get attention from matter or objects.”

      (From http://www.solitarytrees.net/r… )

      I’ll stand by my original assessment of the Unholy Alliance between NOI and Scientology – NOI has its eye on Scientology’s money. Scientology has its eye on NOI’s bodies…and muscle. Davey is beginning to realize the church does not strike fear into people the way it did back in the good ol’ pre-internet 80’s and 90’s. I think he misses those good ol days real bad.

      • Studious Judious

        This is another one of those “It’s always worse than you think” moments for me.

      • scnethics

        This is a great list of quotes. And I too enjoyed watching the guy in that video handle that situation. Confront drills train you to appear like you know what you are talking about and doing, whether you do or not. He knows what he’s talking about and what he’s doing, and the contrast is striking.

      • scnethics

        That last quote is from Scientology: Fundamentals of Thought, and was just removed with the release of The Basics. The chapter is was in has been reduced from eight pages, to about one. Man, that’s a lot of semicolons!

  • Sherbet

    Reading between the lines, it sounds like Mayor George is seething at cos’s latest shenanigans. Remember, he has to deal with the Children of the Damned Cult every single day in addition to trying to run a city.

    • 1subgenius

      Once again major PR footbullet for the cult and not just locally.
      And the politics, oy.

    • Poison Ivy

      I just hope he and the city council “buy a backbone,” as Tony’s tree put it yesterday, and start kicking these people’s asses. The days are over when Scientology can sneakily ruin a politician without the world knowing what they’re doing. Their tricks have been exposed, and OSA is so stretched that their power has been diluted. Sure, they can still do a lot of harm – look at Mosey. I wouldn’t be commenting anonymously here unless I thought that. But how many enemies can you destroy at the same time? And even with Mosey, it’s not possible for them to do it under the radar any more.
      Thanks Anonymous, thanks Internet! The cockroaches look really ugly in the sunlight, don’t they?
      Of course, I don’t know Clearwater city politics or finances. Perhaps the city is now totally dependent on Scientology dollars.

      • Real Shellback

        “Sparkling Downtown Clearwater” is but a small portion of a city with over 100,000 people. It’s also an easily and much avoided part of the City, people drive drive through a portion of Downtown on their way to the beaches. Otherwise, the county seat and courthouse is there. Most businesses moved to the bustling Hwy19 corridor or the nearby towns of Largo and Dunedin which have very nice downtown areas BTW. really; unless one has business at the courthouse or with Scinetology, there is no reason to venture into Downtown Clearwater and few people do.

    • mirele

      This is the first time in the last 20 years that I’ve read something which came out from the city of Clearwater that was less than laudatory about the hometown predatory cult. Seriously, Mr. Mayor is very upset and he’s letting it show.

  • Sherbet

    EXCLUSIVE: Whatever you’ve got, media, Tony O probably had it first.

    • filosofa

      So true! Tony Ortega makes other journalists look like amateurs.

      • Sherbet

        It must drive him crazy sometimes to read other “journalists” trying to take credit for what he’s uncovered with his posse of tipsters.

        • CraftLass

          It must drive a lot of journalists crazy that Tony’s no longer with a major paper – and still manages to scoop the heck out of everyone! 😀 <3

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Tony is much, much more than a journalist, in my eyes at least.

            • CraftLass

              Agreed! That’s why this is the only blog where I have read every single post (counting his VV blog in that, too, I went all the way back and read my way through when I first found it). I read a lot about Scn and I read a lot on many topics, but this blog is an absolute obsession for very good reasons, topped with the cherry of all of you. 🙂

            • villagedianne

              An obsession/addiction that does not make you gain weight or do anything stupid.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Ha! Speak for yourself. This is major snack food reading. And once Bury and I get off on a food tangent, look out.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Was thinking the same thing, Sherb. Tony Ortega OWNs it. That is all. And I noticed how he didn’t mention the responses he got from the Felled Tree Interview. Too modest. I hope he thinks about all the clamor for Encores! He struck a chord with that one. Chords are meant to be played!

      http://i42.tinypic.com/5uk75w.jpg

      • Sherbet

        He’ll get the last laugh: His name on his book’s cover, and one of those pensive author photos on the flyleaf.

    • Studious Judious

      I think Tony is a nice enough guy, and truly wants to see the CoS collapse. If some journalist working on a Scientology story would just call him and ask questions Tony would be happy to give them advice, clarifications, or even leads to support their story.

  • Sherbet

    Re: DM’s comment about “white folks” and “black America” — It couldn’t have been more cringe-worthy if he had said it in a bow tie and blackface makeup. Oh. My. God.

    • Captain Howdy

      I told you about the building they bought for an ideal org that’s right on the border of the South End and Roxbury that’s literally a stones throw away from two housing projects?

      These miscreants are definitely trying to recruit the African-American community in Boston and elsewhere.

      • Sherbet

        You’re right, and it’s sickening. “Hmmm…whom haven’t we tapped for membership and $$$? I know! The African-Americans! Go get ’em, boys.”

      • Sherbet

        Howdy, is that Joe Flaherty?

        • Captain Howdy
          • ze moo

            I loved SCTV in its day. Much funnier then SNL…….

            • Captain Howdy

              Way funnier.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Count Floyd! Ho howdy. This is the only place where I actually look foward to the commercials and listen to the sound tracks. Loved the House of Cats.

          • Sherbet

            Thought so!

    • richelieu jr

      DM = Step-on (you & make you) Fetch-it

      • Sherbet

        Ouch! I was thinking along the lines of Lincoln ending slavery, and the church of scientology resurrecting it.

        • Poison Ivy

          That’s how I see it too, Sherbert. Davey lusts after all the potential bodies for the shop. He’ll get whatever they have in money via credit cards and other sources, but what he really wants is the free workforce. AKA slavery. He’s already got plenty of white slaves (and all the new ones they’re shipping in from third world countries). Why not go all-American in that department?
          Of course, I can’t see Afreddie Johnson not wanting something big out of the deal. I think he wants the combination to Davey’s bottomless money safe. I think both Davey and Alfreddie think they’re pulling a fast one on the other.
          It doesn’t seem like this effort has really gotten all that far off the ground, despite the “4000 auditors” mentioned. But if it does, I’m not so sure Davey would be the winner this time.

          • Sherbet

            “I think both Davey and Alfreddie think they’re pulling a fast one on the other.” Amen, PI.

        • Mrs Libnish

          So THAT’s his angle! I thought he was just after their muhlah.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      How I love ‘ya!, Sherb. You nailed it.

    • grundoon

      When David Miscavige said, “most white folks wouldn’t have a clue what it means to be cool if it weren’t for Black America,” I wish he had told us some of the names of those few cool cool white folks who would be just as cool and clueful without “Black America.”

  • Mark

    I’ve been cudgelling my brains to think what Krusty’s performance reminded me of, and then it hit me.

    And why did her partner have no nipples?

    • Sherbet

      I try not to criticize KA’s weight. There, but for the grace of God, go I…right to the refrigerator. However, it’s so blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes that, while narconon/scientology allegedly cured her of her cocaine addition, it can’t touch her up-and-down relationship with food. Or nicotine either. I’m reminded of the faux prophets who declare the world is going to end on a particular date, and it doesn’t, and his/her followers STILL continue to believe. KA — look in the mirror. scn isn’t saving you from your addictions. And scns — look at KA. How is scn helping her??

      • Mark

        Nail on the head, Sherb. I’m overweight and a smoker, so I feel free to bitch about Krusty as long as she continues to push herself in the public’s face and peddle Par$citology twaddle.

        • Sherbet

          (Setting up a smoking section on the Bunker patio. If you got ’em, smoke ’em…outside.)

          (No, I don’t know how a Bunker can have a patio…)

          • 1subgenius

            e-cigs FTW

          • Mark

            [Cough-cough]. I already suffer from the lunatic “no-smoking-indoors” rule in UK pubs during the winter months – if you’re lucky, you get an open-sided gazebo or pseudo bus-shelter in the garden – otherwise, it’s freeze your tits off outside. Before the ban, most decent pubs had separate rooms or sections with efficient ventilation, and nobody elsewhere was at risk from passive smoking.

            • Sherbet

              Ah, you’re breaking my heart, Mark. :-/

            • Captain Howdy

              Banning cigs in bars is the dumbest thing ever. You go to a bar for 3 things..Get LOADED while you’re SMOKING hoping to get LAID….that’s it.

            • Sherbet

              Doggone, you’re funny, Howdy!

            • Phil McKraken

              As an ex-smoker, let me assure you that you can quit smoking, and the only thing that changes is that you’re not an active addict anymore. Everything else is the same. You can go to a bar to get LOADED while hoping to get LAID, and you’re clothes don’t smell like smoke when you pick them up from some stranger’s floor the next morning.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Best thing that ever happened.. It used to take multiple shampoos to get the cigarette smoke out of my hair after happy hour(s).. And my dry cleaning bill is sooooo much cheaper now..

            • Zer0

              Making smokers jump through hoops to smoke is smart. It helps them live longer. Also, it saves taxpayers money.

            • CraftLass

              You just explained both why I try to keep a full bar at home and why bars are struggling to stay open… And I’ll just add that it sucks to sing in a bar without smoke. I miss that more than I miss smoking in bars. Being able to see an audience clearly isn’t romantic or fun at all and adds to my own pressure to look really good (which doesn’t come so easily for this tomboy). I need to invest in a serious fog machine. lol

              And a little more on-topic, the one thing that really bugs me about Alley’s weight issues is that a lot of woman I know really look up to her for being an overweight celeb who won’t hide away or back down. That’s kind of important in this day, with so many people struggling with weight, but it’s the only admirable bit to the entire woman, making her a terrible role model. But that’s the only side to her many people notice.

              That said, I’ve gotten a few of my friends to see the rest of Alley, and that has turned them off. But I was once accused of railing against her due to “fat-hate”, which could not be further from the truth. If she left Scn tomorrow and became an actual humanitarian or something and stopped spewing such negativity into the world, I’d be her cheerleader pretty quickly. And I’m very glad that larger women are finally starting to get some better roles and that there’s a whole new generation of talent to prove why that is a good choice and that there are better choices of role model than Alley.

            • Mark

              Funny how so many people who bang on about “fat-hate” are skinny-malinks.

            • CraftLass

              Gotta admit, I resemble that remark! lol

              I’m teensy in almost every way, but many of my closest friends are rather large and, boy, have I seen some horrifying behavior towards them. It shakes my humanism to the core. People have been very, very mean to me at some points in my life, but it’s nothing like dealing with the daily dose of hatred from random strangers that some of my friends experience. People are not shy about such hatred. It’s despicable and no matter how much I have experienced being at the side of someone on the receiving end, it’s always a little shocking.

              I’d really like to live in Vonnegut’s “Unready to Wear” world so we could all be judged by our thoughts and behavior alone.

            • Poison Ivy

              Me too. I really hate the dehumanizing attitude society has toward overweight women – women are cut much less slack when it comes to weight than men. And having raised a teen girl, I hate the effect all the coke/adderall popping/self-starving starlets and models have on our daughters’ self image (and even us oldsters!)
              I have a couple friends who are well-known character actresses who are heavy. And have always been and have been proud of who they are. I also love Adele for who she is, and how she won’t back down.
              I just don’t place Kirstie in that category because of her yo-yoing and her constant cowtowing to the big bucks diet industry.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I think it won’t go away because it’s based on fear. It’s simply an outward sign of ill health to most people. Yes, there are some who are just garden variety bullies. My medical issues have made it impossible to lose. But others are a product of what are deliberately sent to our grocery stores that is at least 80% unhealthy and food industries are married and incorporated with pharmaceutal and chemical companies and corporate farms. Now that obesity has been dubbed a disease, ironically Now we might start to see some discipline put in on the food corporations.

              In the meantime, the only immune system I’ve found for other people’s asinine behavior is old age. There are few perks, but this is a Big one.

              http://i44.tinypic.com/2e4hvm9.jpg

            • CraftLass

              *Applause*

              Back when I was acting I actually went to an audition where one casting agent called me “too skinny” while the other said I was “too fat”. On the same day! I’ve been battling to gain weight much of my life, so that was really weird to hear. But it illustrates a very big problem with body image and women. Not one woman on this planet lives up to the ideals we are dealt. People are just less openly mean to the skinny ones, tend to whisper behind our backs, whereas they shout insults at the big girls openly.

              The other thing that sets Kirstie apart from the category you mention is that she is the one who constantly brings up her own weight and uses it to her advantage. I’m all for turning a negative (in this case meaning the harassment she’s always gotten from tabloids and the like) into a positive, but there are some really talented women who just go out and do their jobs and set positive examples through such behavior. Instead of complaining about Hollywood’s attitude towards them, they work hard to score roles and work even harder to play those roles well, which is the only thing that actually changes public opinion and casting practices in the long run. Older character actresses who are proud of who they are and do good work have paved the way for this new generation of leading ladies who don’t even slightly resemble that unobtainable ideal. It’s great to watch!

              Having worked in the music biz, I’m still shocked that Adele pulled that off. The music biz is even crueler than the acting biz when it comes to looks. It’s one of the reasons I left it. The double-standards are horrifying and I’m always so happy when a woman manages to break through them. It’s very rare. I’ve seen some of the greatest talents lose their chances at a career due to a few extra pounds or years (before the internet revolution, of course) in favor of talentless teens with good bodies. I couldn’t stand contributing to any of it. My stomach is turning again as I type this!

            • Poison Ivy

              Craftlass, way back in the stone age, in my lost youth, I produced a handful of commercials. I sure liked the money in that end of the biz, but I loathed everything else about it and never went back. The audition experience for the commercials was even more dehumanizing (IMHO) than the audition experience in film/TV/theater. That’s because not just the production people but the ad agency and the client were all there in the room, tearing apart body part by body part the looks of the women who’d just been in the room or who were on the tapes. The male actors were not torn apart that way, let me tell you. The women were. And the agency/clients were 90% male and the women among them might as well have been male. This was in the late 80’s early 90’s and it might as well have been MAD MEN.
              I’ve heard that stuff in the other end of the biz since, of course, but never as vile as that one short commercial experience. I never could’ve been an actress (though I loved acting) because I do not have thick enough skin to take that kind of personal attack time and time again and not let it get to me on some level.

            • Mark

              My reply to taunts of “Fatty!” &c. :

              “I may be fat, but I can diet. Pity you can’t get a personality-transplant, isn’t it?”

              Trouble is, it usually goes straight over their heads.

            • ThetaBara

              What difference does that make?
              When fat people do it, the response is “you’re just trying to justify your lack of willpower.”

            • ThetaBara

              Would it make more sense to think of it as body shaming?
              Because skinny folks get it too. “She needs to eat a cheeseburger!”

          • grundoon

            … behind the artillery platform? on top of the lookout tower? Keep in mind there is no smoking under the rocket fuel tanks. By the way, all those butts on the ground outside the secret escape hatch kind of wreck the camouflage.

            • Sherbet

              We’re going to get one of those Roombas to take care of that.

      • FLUNK_101

        Good point, Sherbet. And to get audited, you have to be “fed,” (as a “rudiment”), so it’s a vicious circle.

      • Yeah, they claim $cientology can cure all these things—including Cruise’s dyslexia; yet KA still has weight problems and Cruise is still insecure about his height. Hmmm….that means, oh noes, it doesn’t work! GASP!

      • kemist

        She’d have to give everything she owns and get into the sea org. Then it would work.

        Subsisting on rice and beans with no money to buy anything else and spending hours on hand running around a pole is an efficient albeit unhealthy way to solve any weight problem you might have.

        • Poison Ivy

          You know, that’s a good point…if she joined the Sea Org (and did a little RPF “running program”), she’s drop that weight in a heartbeat.
          She’d probably get sick and die young, too, but hey, it’s only a meat body.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Just the opposite, PI. I touched on this earlier in this thread, under Tory’s video you posted. Many long term scientologists, both staff and public, don’t even know what the long term effects of sleep deprivation or constant stress is on their systems. Now, staff have the added disaster factor of high fat, majority bad carbs/starches, too little lean protein. But the Adrenal system in All gets pummelled which leads to a breakdown of the hormone system which will cause extreme weight gain or weight loss depending on what your family history leans toward. If you had weight issues before, it will balloon.

            Still untreated and with continued stress, the immune system if not already compromised, begins breaking down and then your body’s defenses are low and whatever is lurking in your DNA pounces. it’s the cause of weight problems, early cancer, heart problems, and diabetes.

            • Poison Ivy

              True, THDNE, I was being slightly facetious. Every body responds differently to stress and some bodies will go into starvation mode and hold on to fat for dear life. Also, bodies that have been starved for long periods in the past often respond by becoming stubborn fat hoarders once they finally get real nutrition again. The adrenal breakdown you mention is an important factor (and also why psychological stress can cause serious health problems as well, not just physical stress.) The health issues of Sea Orgers is one of the many crimes of Scientology.

        • grundoon
          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Super creepy. So glad he’s free.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Sooo disturbing.. Soo glad he’s out..

      • FLUNK_101

        Seriously, Kirstie looks like LRH … in drag.

    • Besides being fat-hating, that is a massive insult to Miss Piggy, who has more class in her little finger than most people, let alone Scientologists, can dream of having in their whole bodies.

      • Mark

        Miss Piggy is NOT fat – just Rubensesque. But Krusty’s legs do have a Piggyish baluster-like quality to them, especially when she tries dancing in stillettoes…

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Can I interject with Cankles possibly?

  • Ruby Grapefruit

    This is a little O/T but hey, it’s Thursday before 2:00 PM and some guys here may need a few good laughs:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkIrwdpAW7s

    • ThetaBara

      It IS Thursday before 2! Where’s my goddamn downvote?!

      • ThetaBara

        Thank you!

  • dwayners13 .

    I just don’t get it, they purchase all these old buildings, often historical landmarks & announce that the grand opening will be in X amount of months or years, yet the date comes & goes & nothing, zilch, zero. Of all the times to put those OT powers to good use, this would be it. Heck, if I saw a bunch of OT’s constructing brick walls & laying tiles purely with the “theta power” they obtained from the tech, I’d be ‘on course’ & racing up the bridge faster than you can say, “Zenu was a dumb-ass”. Ya know, I’m starting to think that maybe, just maybe the tech can’t deliver all the promises & powers Hubbard claimed it could.

    • richelieu jr

      “Zenu”, really? “Zenu”?

      I suppose you spell Earth TeaGee-ahk as well!

      I am starting to think you’re not taking this whole Scientology thing seriously enough son. THAT IS NOT OK!

      • dwayners13 .

        What can I say, I only had 1/2 cup of coffee in me at the time I wrote it, I usually can’t even spell my own name until I’m done at least a full cup. Please don’t write a KR on me, I promise to get my ethics in, besides it was a mere outpoint & another trip to the ethics officer & I’ll surely be sent to the RPF, if not the hole. I doubt I’d even get a Comm. Ev. this time. Perhaps I’m PTS (not sure what type) maybe the girl who sold me my coffee was a DB or worse an SP, after all she is a MEST loving wog, probably wearing a new hat too. I promise I’ll handle her or just disconnect all together. The last thing I want it another sec check (especially not a Joburg) or worse a Golden-Rod declare, I hear completing steps A through E is extremely tough & enturbulating. I’ve been trying to surround myself (& open up Comm. Lines) with up-tone, up-stat thetans who exude theta energy as well as getting my TR’s in. Perhaps it’s all this entheta, nattering & false data points I come in contact with on the fridges of the Internet, I’m constantly completing doubt formula’s just to stay clear. Anyway, I’ve corrected the misspelling & I think for your own sake you should do a KR on this, otherwise it may be viewed as a withhold & you’ll be considered complicit in the whole mess & end up on the RPF’s RPF. Last thing I want is an ARC break between us. Thanks for the reality-factor, I needed & deserved it! I’ll have to check & see the policy on this & make sure it’s on source. Hey, don’t forget eh, it’s up to us to KSW! (Is that serious enough for ya).

        • grundoon

          … step back from the rabbit hole and take a deep breath

        • Interested

          What frightens me :-))) is I understood everything… And I’m a wog! Yo maybe I’m reading this site too much.

        • richelieu jr

          All is forgiven if you’ll agree to spy on your friends.

          Oh, and bring us the head of Tony Ortega!

          • dwayners13 .

            Spy on my friends? Who told you that, seriously, give me their names, SSN/SIN numbers & DOB’s, I’ll sue & fair-game everyone of them. Probably a bunch of glib psychs. Why, that’s nothing but black PR, I’m just like all of you guys, a regular everyday anti-C of S, MEST loving, suppressive wog, who just happens to enjoy surf’n the fringes of the interweb. By the way, I’m making a scrapbook for Tony, can all of you send me photo’s of yourselves, your spouses & children, don’t forget to include your home address & that of your workplace & parent’s residence, (just to be on the safe side) so I can return them. I prefer you mail them to me, make sure that only your fingers touch the envelopes & pics & don’t forget to lick the envelope really good. Oh & in regards to bringing you Tony’s head, that’s just a part of his meat-body, I think it would be better to inject him with frozen alcohol & glycol, it guarantees to trap his thetan.
            (Whoa, I’m really getting carried away, I think I need to find another hobby).

            • richelieu jr

              Well, I am amused, at any rate!

    • Exterrier

      “Clearing the planet”, building by building, brick by brick, tree by tree. Hey, they have their “eternity” to accomplish this, and it will take all of it, it seems. Must be a long term plan.

  • California
    • Robert Eckert

      As with the Daily Fail article mentioned by subgenius above, this is just a slight rewrite of the original Daily Snooze piece.

    • L.L. Cantare J

      Out of curiosity, I clicked on the link to the “Cults in Culture: Scientology” article. In 2011, a different Christian Post reporter wrote:

      “The same clandestine behavior was apparent when this reporter traveled to Las Vegas to visit the Celebrity Center to learn more about the organization.”

      Las Vegas? Celebrity Centre? In 2011?

      I would’ve tried to contact the reporter to ask if she met PR Director Devon Newman, but apparently Ms. Devenish passed away earlier this year. (May she rest in peace.)

  • t1kk

    It took two people to write that Daily News article? And still the term safepointing is nowhere to be found amid the fluff and pictures.

    • Sherbet

      ‘splain, please, t1kk?

  • Krew13

    I know a lot of people are upset that Ben Affleck’s been cast as Batman, but look on the upside. At least Cruise wasn’t cast. I bet he tore his agent a new one for not even getting him an audition. Tom needs the world to see him as the greatest, toughest action hero ever. I know the idea of Tom in a batsuit is lulzy but Tom wouldn’t think so. He really believes he’s a hero. That’s why he’ll be doing Mission Impossible sequels into his 60s. He’s ready to confront and shatter credibility.

    • richelieu jr

      Sure kept Katie out of Dark Knight, thank the gods…

      • Captain Howdy

        Yeah, as much as I like Katie, she’s no Maggie Gyllenhaal when it comes to acting. So Tom’s assholeiness worked out good for once.

        • Ruby

          Assholeiness…I may have to borrow that one. 🙂

          • Captain Howdy

            Nothing is free in anti-scientology.

        • marti

          Katie was excellent in “The Wonder Boys.”

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Meh. She may be a better actress, but COME ON. No way in hell Bruce Wayne is gonna get hot over female droopy dog.

    • Nevermore

      The fact he thought he could play Jack Reacher still makes me laugh until I’m sick!

      • Sherbet

        Arthur Treacher, maybe.

        • Krew13

          Or Jack Reacharound.

        • marti

          No. Please do not associate Mr. Treacher’s name with Tom Cruise.
          Mr. Treacher served his country – a veteran of World War I serving as an officer in the Royal Garrison Artillery. A wonderful actor. Merv Griffin’s sidekick. A great Brit.

          • Sherbet

            And a convincing bobby in “Mary Poppins.” RIP, Mr. Fish and Chips.

            • marti

              🙂

            • villagedianne

              I was watching once long ago when Robert Morely was on the Merv Griffin show. Morely asked where was Arthur Treacher? Merv told Morely that Treacher had unfortunately passed away. Morely blurted out “Probably died from eating his own food”. True story from the annals of TV.

            • Sherbet

              Oh! Funny and not funny all at the same time.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Damn, I haven’t had that since I was a kid. Mmmmmmm chicken planks and fish with hush puppies.

      • Poison Ivy

        Well, he effectively killed a potential franchise.

    • Robert Eckert

      But if Tom played Batman, he wouldn’t get to run without a shirt on!

      • ze moo

        They could use the left over Doc Martins from Battlefield Earth to make TC taller.

    • Poison Ivy

      Affleck and Cruise don’t audition anymore. Ever.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        That must be nice as a perk. No, really.

  • Synthia Fagen

    Bogus that they defied the city and destroyed the trees, even against the advice of their own arborist. Really, the cult has an arborist? Somehow that makes me laugh, but I digress.

    Factually, they have a whole deforestation machine running 24/7 cranking out their promo. One thing that can emphatically be said about the CofS…is that they are NOT green, even slightly. Entitled mother f…. Oh never mind.

    • RMycroft

      They have an arborist in exactly the same way that they have a “legal officer” that isn’t a lawyer, or a “medical officer” without any training: They “hat” the first available bozo with the job.

      • Ruby

        The same way they have a PR Officer who goes to jail for conspiracy to kidnap and murder a police officer.

        • monkeyknickers

          HAHA!

          PS Ruby, one of my fetuses is named Ruby. SPOOKY RIGHT??

          :)))

          • Ruby

            :)) nice! And, congrats btw! Babies are awesome!

            • monkeyknickers

              No, they are evil soul-sucking fiends from hell. But thanks, it’s nice of you to try to make me feel better.

              🙂

            • coonellie

              They only become soul-sucking fiends when they enter teenhood ;/

            • Ruby

              I was gonna say that but did not want to scare her.

            • monkeyknickers

              I’m already paralyzed about the whole giant human head/vagina thing.

            • Ruby

              with good reason, my friend! And you get to look forward to it twice in a row! Lucky you!
              Actually, you will be just fine. 🙂

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Double shot of drugs.

            • 10oriocookies

              Sounds like you need some good old-fashioned baby making advice from Tom Cruise. He knows best.

            • Sherbet

              Ain’t no such thing as postpartum depression! Exercise and vitamins — that’s what a mom needs! (PS: I’m sure Katie could take the time to exercise with nannies and Mapothers taking care of Suri. Normal mothers, not so much.)

            • Robert Eckert

              He’s the only one who can help!

            • monkeyknickers

              Buy them from the Sea Org? Already got one of those. Paid 30k. Tho my Ash is priceless. :))) Anyway – I prefer being a penniless single mother. It’s just . . . . you gotta go with your gifts, you know??

              Hmm.

              I actually read that that’s where Tom and whatsherfacethealbino – Nicole – that that’s where they adopted their children from. Hmm. Gonna look it up somewhere.

            • Poison Ivy

              I take it you will not be partaking in the famous Scientology “Silent Birth” ceremony, then?

              (Because LRH knew SO much about birthin’ babies…)

            • Robert Eckert

              Too bad Scarlett couldn’t have bitch-slapped LRH

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6KmLvhjtMw

            • monkeyknickers

              Well, in a way I s’pose Ivy. I’ve decided not to give birth at all. So . . . . kinda circumvented the whole thing really.

            • Sherbet

              They’ll come out. They always come out. The dang thing stretches, as designed.

            • monkeyknickers

              I LIKE IT AS IS WITHOUT ANY STRETCHING OKAY.

              Imunna die. That’s it.

              🙂

            • GlibWog

              Girl.. That is why God invented Epidurals.. Good Lord

            • monkeyknickers

              I’m not taking any chances. They’re both sent to their rooms when they hit the ground. And the one who’s been doing jazzercise on my bladder for the last two days is NEVER GOING TO TASTE DESSERT. EVER.

            • Robert Eckert

              They’re going to point at each other and insist It Wasn’t Me! Get used to it.

            • monkeyknickers

              Oh, they’re fraternal, the assholes. I got they number.

            • junojones

              On the bladder? Twin A. Def twin A.

              From my experience, the dominant one will poise to get out first. The later one will come along for the ride. 🙂

            • monkeyknickers

              I’m not actually gonna do “birth”? I mean, I considered it? But then I watched a video and I decided on taking my chances with a future advent of awesome Star Trek technology wherein I’ll beam them out .

              SOOOOOO.

              Yeah.

            • Poison Ivy

              Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              See, right there. Do NOT ever suggest an expectant mother says anything incorrect about the residents inside her womb. Ever. This is your PSA for the day.

            • coonellie

              Properly chastised, won’t happen again, promise.

              In my defence, may I say that I WISHED someone had warned me…and NO ONE told me that my brain cells would also vanish, that I would never get another good night’s sleep (and I could sleep through anything, anyplace, anytime), and that I would constantly worry.

            • monkeyknickers

              Psssst . . . . . . coonellie . . . . . don’t listen . . . . . THDNE might be pro-child . . . . you must warn others. YOU MUST WARN OTHERS!!

              :))

              Also THDNE,

              I heart you.
              Lots. 🙂

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I hope later on you can scoop up all your comments here, slap them up in a book with a perfect title and book cover (maybe PI would help with ideas) and make a little well deserved Fortune!

              Expectant mothers Need this book. Even more so, friends and families and coworkers of expectant mothers really, really need this book. A little book about what an expectant mother is Really thinking and feeling and most of all, emotionally going through and what an expectant mother Really needs from her friends and families and coworkers. Because people around them don’t have a friggin’ clue, so they do the worst possible thing at the wrong moments …. hiding just when you need up close and personal hugging., etc.

              Honestly, Monkeyknickers. Ponder the possibilities… it will be a wonderful gift to mankind! hahaa

            • Poison Ivy

              Just go to your Discus ID and all your comments from forever will pop up. Just copy them all, paste ’em and edit them down to the pregnancy ones. Sounds fun!

            • monkeyknickers

              Disqus makes no sense to me Ivy. I know it’s because I don’t understand it but – I think it might be evil.

              Just saying. 🙂

            • monkeyknickers

              It truly IS INSANE to me how you’re supposed to turn into Glenda the Fucking Good Witch the moment you conceive.

              Instead of saying – holy shit . . . so . . . WHAT’S gonna happen now? And . . . . that OTHER thing’s gonna happen? And society wants me to run around and be really gleeful that a big sky fairy sorted this whole thing where I’m gonna suffer and suffer and then . . . . have to shove something the size of a cantaloupe out my damn body?

              I DON’T THINK SO.

              I’ll take the hideousness of reality over having to try to fake like it’s fucking transcendental -ANY day of the week.

              And THDNE – I’d LOVE NOTHING MORE than to not make any money writing as a career, but I’m WAY WAY too busy not making any money as a musician.

              I only have 24 hours in each day, you know??

            • allioops

              Cantaloupe? I wish! But still a wonderful gift ! that is yours to love and to help become a good person.
              I thank G-d that my now adult children are NOT Scientologists, due to their father being a big A Hole.

            • monkeyknickers

              Hmmmmmm Alli.

              You’re post makes me afraid and all blood running cold and stuff.

              SOOOOO . . . . . what do you mean . . . “Cantaloupe? I wish!”???

              Exactly.

              Because . . . I FEEL like you’re inferring that . . . it could possibly be a . . . . bigger melon I should use as a simile? Like . . . are you saying:

              “Cantaloupe?! Please. THINK WATERMELON MONKEY.”

              Is . . . um . . .

              that it?

              I’m crawling under the bed now.

            • monkeyknickers

              PS I am an asshole expert. I feel you girl.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yes, but as the ladies have pointed out, you DO write some fantastically funny, “what mom’s to be really think” kind of stuff here. You write some each day. Just collect them all from Disqus and make new mom greeting cards or something. You’ve got a gift.

            • GlibWog

              You do have a gift Monkey..
              OMG I thought of a fabulous career for you.. OMG..

              You could be a Surrogate … You would be perfect… I can just hear you telling the adoptive parents..

              ” You little bitch kicked me in the ribs today.. I am sick of her. She is nothing but selfish.. You deseve each other. “

            • monkeyknickers

              ARE YOU READING MY MAIL GLIB.

              :)))))))

              Jesus – if ONLY she’d kick me in the rib. It’s a structural thing. But they go for the . . . . soft . . . tender, vulnerable bits.

              Because they are evil.

              What can you do.

            • monkeyknickers

              The gift of fucking talking too much, love. Ask my mom. About 7 minutes ago she expressed that very sentiment.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Whatevs mama. Use it to your advantage.

            • Robert Eckert

              ” I’d LOVE NOTHING MORE than to not make any money writing as a career, but I’m WAY WAY too busy not making any money as a musician.” Well I’d love not to make any money as a musician, but I’m way too busy not making any money writing!

            • monkeyknickers

              LET’S FORM A CLUB WITH A SECRET HANDSHAKE RIGHT NOW.

              🙂

            • NeverIn

              My pregnancies were so horrible that at one point I made a list of 12 separate symptoms I was having – at that moment – and every single one of them on it’s own was worse than anything I’d experienced before. And then I turned on the TV and watched Tom Cruise tell me what it was like to be a pregnant woman.

            • monkeyknickers

              Oh good.

              Excuse me while I drown myself.

              And also – FUCK that guy. What a dick. If he hadn’t had hit the right time and the right place, he’d be that Grant Cardone guy, doing karoake to Eminem.

              Douche.

              PS I am on number 5 of my list of twelve shitty things already. 🙂

        • richelieu jr

          I just went through this (on the male side) myself, MK…

          I was terrified of being a father (some one this list can attest to the fact), and I really couldn’t be happier… He is an angel, slept all night before 5 weeks, and smiles and laughs all the time unless something is really wrong, then cries a bit and stops when the problem is over…

          • monkeyknickers

            WHY ARE YOU BRAGGING.

            God! Rude!

            🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              I won’t go into what my youngest was like. Richelieuyou had it easy. Every kid is different.
              I’m sure you’re tired of the soccer match being played on your bladder.

              May they cooperate and be calm when they’re “out.”

            • monkeyknickers

              If they don’t, it’s diphenhydramine time.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          BAM!

      • Poison Ivy

        “Those trees could have outlived Scientology.”
        And by all rights, should have.

        • Jgg2012

          I hope they don’t use the wood from those trees to make more flyers about “the Golden Age of Tech”.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Nahhh! They’ve finally gone green. They’ll the use the wood as planks, nail a doubting slave to the cross, and have him recite Miscavige’s latest proclamation from the hill. Oh wait, there are no hills in Clearwater. Make that … recited from the top of the double cross on the Super Power Mecca building that shall not be named.

            It’s not easy being green on white. (little insider joke there. Pardone.)

            • Jgg2012

              Actually, LRH never said anything about the environment.

            • Poison Ivy

              Well, the environment is just “MEST”, right? I mean, thetans just “Mocked it up” (Wait – if that’s the case, then WHO MOCKED UP THE ORIGINAL VOLCANO?)

            • Jgg2012

              Who mocked up Dianetics? Or LRH? Come to think of it, Scientology is all MEST, no reality.

            • Studious Judious

              Ok, I’m going to confess, that I mocked it all up. Yep, it was me. I created Dianetics, and LRH, and Scientology just so I could chat with you nice folks, and watch Tony take them down while I eat popcorn.

            • Poison Ivy

              Well, that explains it then. Thanks, Studious!

            • HCO Chief

              Actually LRH said in a bulletin circa 1970 that the Earth was going to run out of oxygen by the year 2000. And even more outlandish, I kid you not, the LRH Personal Public Relations Officer from CMO UK, Mr. Bob Keenan, stood in front of all 300 staff at Saint Hill in 1998 and used that bulletin to reference the impending doom of the Y2K bug, and how it was especially imperative for us to grow Scientology more than ever, because when mayhem strikes in 2000 it will be up to the Scientologists to bring order.

              And he referenced how amazing LRH is, having predicted this 30 years prior (in a bulletin he read out of context about the Earth running out of oxygen). Then everyone clapped having been thoroughly motivated, and I shook my head wondering what the F just happened.

            • Studious Judious

              So where is Bob Keenan now? Is he out? Of course no one called him on it.

            • HCO Chief

              I did call him on it, not in front of the whole base, but I think I wrote a KR and complained to someone. That went over well. Totally ignored.

            • Studious Judious

              I’m impressed. Thank you for your integrity.

            • HCO Chief

              I think he’s still the rep for the UK.

            • Studious Judious

              Sometimes the blind faith truly is hard to believe. Thanks for your post.

            • ThetaBara

              He’s suffocated from lack of oxygen.

            • Jgg2012

              He must be in the hole.

            • Mat Pesch

              At least his head.

            • grundoon

              Captain Kangaroo was LRH PPRO?

            • HCO Chief

              Is that what you call him? Bob Keenan was PPRO for probably 15 years. Can’t find info on him now but I see his wife Tatjana finally left the SO in 2010 and is working for Tullys Farm.

            • grundoon

              Sorry, got him mixed up with Bob Keeshan.

            • NeverIn

              And yet DM published a whole book about it.

            • monkeyknickers

              Is this for real ??

            • NeverIn

              Yes! It’s part of the L. Ron Hubbard series Scns were browbeaten to pay for and donate to libraries ($800 for 14 books IIRC).

            • monkeyknickers

              Oh my heart.

              I wish I had an arm long enough to smack the absolute SHIT out of that horrible man.

              False hope is the worst thing you can do to your fellow man. That asshole.

            • Cat Daddy

              He is going to “snuff” that plant out ?

            • Jgg2012

              What’s true is what’s true for you!

        • Gus_Cox

          They DID. Scientology died years ago.

      • DamOTclese2

        The have an “arborist” exactly the same way they have “reverends.”

    • monkeyknickers

      I hear you. An there’s something especially punk-ass about cutting something down that’s been growing since the Civil War so you can serve crappy catering in a big tent to a bunch of idiots.

      Like that guy – front page Yahoo the other day – who was THRILLED he caught a 200 year old rockfish. “I went out TRYING to hook it!!” he said, holding up the poor thing. I just thought – are we the same species, this guy and me?

      Like- GREAT NOW YOU HAVE A POINTLESSLY DEAD FISH AND A STUPID STORY ASSHAT. GUESS YOU’LL BE GOING TO HEAVEN THEN.

      • 1subgenius

        I think the rockfish story was debunked somewhat.
        It wasn’t that old, it just had lived an incredibly hard life.

        • Poison Ivy

          It also never used sunscreen!

          • 1subgenius

            That’s the key.

        • ThetaBara

          Gloating over killing something you think is 200 years old is just disgusting, even if you are mistaken.

          • monkeyknickers

            He did it on purpose, the asshole.

      • richelieu jr

        Well to be fair, he was hatted to be the ass.

        LRH wanted it that way for some reason.

      • Synthia Fagen

        Yeah, or that picture of Donald Trump’s kids and their sick hunting rituals all filled with glee.

        • no_srsly

          lurking-from-afar here..but HAD to comment…can we sic Anonymous on his kids,Eric & Don Jr? I hate how they’re so proud of killing a crocodile, kudu, civet cat, waterbuck, and elephant…of which he removed the tail & posed with it (remember?) grrrr
          btw folks….keep up he great support system you’ve got going here!! The level of intelligence from the posters is both interesting, informative….and true. Good Luck in saving some more folks from what Co$ has become! from a friendly wog 😉

          • GlibWog

            Welcome..Welcome.. Welcome.. Crazy times… Craaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzy…
            Glibby

            • no_srsly

              thanks a bunch! (I enjoy your posts elsewhere, as well) as well as the shoops,and the COBsnobbing at the UG!

            • GlibWog

              Awwwwwwwww Thanks No.. I will show up anytime there is Disq haha.. You will fit in perfectly here! Woo Hoo..

          • monkeyknickers

            We love lurkers.

            We we were lurkers too!

            It’s like the tadpole stage.

            Then you’re a full Sci Warrior.

            🙂

        • monkeyknickers

          Do not watch the Metallica documentary “Some Kind of Monster”. I mean, for me it’s kind of . . . . required material even if I think they’re assholes and idiots who got lucky. But their descriptions of sick hunting (bear, but still . . . hunting) rituals will make you buy a plane ticket, go to San Francisco, and rip their face off.

          Bring one of those taser things tho.

          For the bodyguard.

          BUT THEN GO CRAZY GIRL.

          🙂

    • Exterrier

      Maybe “clearing the planet” really means clearcutting the planet. Some sort of M.U.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      As Dr. Eldon Weiner of Flag Land Base makes clear in his hard-hitting expose, there was no arborcide. Indeed, there was something far more sinister in Clearwater that federal, state, and local authorities tried to cover up: http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2013/08/29/church-of-scientology-saves-clearwater-from-deadly-terrorist-attack/

    • Jgg2012

      Syndi, how many Scientologists are there in Chicago? It seems strange that the nation’s 3d largest city doesn’t have an active org.

      • Synthia Fagen

        There are about 200-300 that show up for a major event. There are about 80-100 that show up throughout the week to do courses, etc. (This was as of 2010). There is an org there. It doesn’t do much but, it is one of the better producing “non-Ideal” orgs so what does that tell you?

        • Jgg2012

          ” so what does that tell you?” Well, since one of every 70 Americans lives in the Chicago area, it tells me the there are about 10,000 Americans who are active Scientologists, with maybe another 10,000 looking into it and attending events. Not millions.

    • DodoTheLaser

      I personally know 2 people who resigned from scientology after doing some Bridge worth of tens of thousands of dollars. One of their upsets? Too much mailings/paper waste.

      While the world is going green, the only green scientology cares about is the dollar bills kind.
      Preferably with Benjamin Franklin on it.

      They did move “Sam” (giant oak tree in Clearwater) successfully a few years ago – for all the PR reasons.
      This time they didn’t even try. It’s rather telling.

    • Cat Daddy
  • Victoria Pandora

    theres really nothing wrong with kirsties size per se, but she obviously is not in good enough shape to handle her weight.

    • RMycroft

      Then why is she selling a diet plan?

      • Eclipse-girl

        She isn’t exactly what I would call a role model for the plan.

    • 1subgenius

      Its not her weight that’s a problem. Its her height.
      If she were 9’10” she’d be fine.

    • Poison Ivy

      It’s not her weight per se, it’s her career. She was a young actress who has great comic timing (I don’t know how much of a dramatic actress she is) who started out with her beauty and very hot body as a huge part of her sales package. That’s dangerous from the start, in Hollywood, because if you don’t have the talent, you are often discarded before you’re 35. But Kirstie was beloved and adorable and could’ve had some real longevity along the lines of many popular comic actresses who simply get older (Julia Louis-Dreyfuss, Sarah Jessica Parker, etc). The extreme weight thing, though, took her out of the running for certain parts during a very crucial transition time.
      I hate the emphasis on weight placed on women in our society and especially in the media. But Kirstie’s weight isn’t just a natural aging kind of weight, or even a “what the fuck I’m tired of starving myself” kind of weight. It’s a real pathological problem with food – an addiction.
      And it’s an addiction that’s really, really hurt her career options.
      I think the personality she’s developed as a defense against her weight hasn’t helped – greatly added to by the Scientology Crazy factor.
      And if after all those years as an OT, she can’t find a way to “handle” an addiction that is really harming both her health and her career, then what good is Scientology?
      “We have the solutions.” Really?

      • Karen715

        She’s probably sublimating the cocaine addiction she was supposedly cured of by Narconon into food.

        I should say, given my comment above, that I do not consider talking about her weight, and its causes and consequences, to be the same thing as mocking her for her weight.

        • Poison Ivy

          Overweight – which so many people struggle with – and food addiction are different things. Food addiction is a real addiction and a terrible one. Why wasn’t JT mentioning her as one of the “suffering artists” he recalled in his CC speech? She needs help and CO$ ain’t giving it to her.
          With Kirstie, I also wonder if she doesn’t also tipple a bit. Or more than a bit. That’ll put the weight on too.

  • Krew13

    Angry Gay Pope mercilessly and brilliantly ridicules Fat Alley

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8pPAv6thsE

    • filosofa

      Great video – I love Angry Gay Pope! The woman hiding (Eden Stein?) was very amusing. Lovely to see Mark Bunker there.

  • 1subgenius

    I like this take on the Harlem org story:

    Scientology heads to Harlem: Religious group puts down roots in new areas to ‘attract members who don’t know its history’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2404377/Scientology-heads-Harlem-attract-members-dont-know-history.html#ixzz2dMwmQCXg

    • TonyOrtega

      It’s not a “take.” It’s just a rewrite of the Daily News story.

      • 1subgenius

        I liked the headline emphasizing recruiting those who don’t know about it.

        • TonyOrtega

          That was a good subhead, to be sure.

  • monkeyknickers

    People falling down is funny.

    I remember thinking (when I saw that live) that at that exact moment, a cry went up from all the nations of Earth, into the solar system, and then hurtled into deep space, bringing our message to civilizations billions of light years away:

    “Hahaha. Cuz she’s fat.”

    And I wasn’t even obsessed with what a rotten hideous sci pusher she was at the time.

    • Mrs Libnish

      I bet her dance partner ended up in the RPF for that one!

  • Studious Judious

    I’ve always wondered if you got LRH alone then told him that you had figured out that Dianetics and Scientology was all a con, if he would laugh, pat you on the back, and say, “you’ve just attested to OT XV! How would you like a position in top level management?”

    • Poison Ivy

      Either that or he’d make you push a peanut around the floor with your nose until you were torn up and bleeding.

  • Spackle Motion

    I cringed when I first heard the midget say:

    “Talk about a permeating and penetrating culture. Or to put it another way, most white folks wouldn’t have a clue what it means to be cool if it weren’t for Black America.”

    And I cringe again now. I’m surprised that the NoI hasn’t taken that phrase to task, but maybe they also lack the fucking rank to complain about it. Most “Leader of Leaders” have a firm grasp on political correctness, which is something Miscavige woefully does not. I hope he never gets a clue because the shit coming from his mouth is fucking hilarious.

    • Studious Judious

      And even with ‘Black America’ DM still doesn’t have a clue what it means to be cool

    • Shannon

      Or could it be pandering to them? I have never in my time known the NOI to be culturally sensitive to holistic racial concepts…

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      Hey NOI is not above using a racist discourse when they deem it suitable.

    • villagedianne

      Miscavige is a very embarrassing white man.

    • Zer0

      Actually, Farrahkan has gone so far to admit that Hubbard was a racist and forgive him for it.

  • Mark

    I should say that $cientology and the NOI thoroughly deserve each other – cults founded by racist conmen and now led by narcisstic sociopaths. And look at the other resemblances: sci-fi villains with Xenu and Yakub; a ‘cosmology’ involving spaceships, impossible trillions-of-years histories, and looney-tunes perversions of evolution; callous demonisation of specific groups; highly dubious financial shenanigans, &c. &c.

    The question remains: who’s exploiting who more cynically here?

    It’s penetrated even Miscavige’s thick skull that he’s getting dangerously low on ‘fresh meat’ to keep his coffers bulging, so he’s probably making a casually racist assumption that any new recruits from black and immigrant communities will be more ‘biddable’, because more ‘ignorant’.

    As to Farrakhan, it seems to be a mixture of two factors: a new ready-made ‘self-improvement’ scam to keep his dupes happily preoccupied – and less likely to pay attention to the example of orthodox, moderate Islam as practised among recent immigrants to the US. Second, he must envy how the Co$ keeps such a very tight rein on its adherents, and wants to put the screws on any potential dissent by ‘getting ethics in’ among his own flock.

    • 1subgenius

      COS gets the auditing fees, and new customers. Farrakhan gets the usual commissions.

    • filosofa

      I am curious – is Farrakahn actually employing Co$ “auditing tech” on his NOI adherents? If so, wouldn’t that be squirrelling the Standard tech and not keeping it pure, or is the “church” now becoming a franchise operation like Mcdonalds or KFC?

      • Mark

        Surely the whole farrago of “squirrelling” and “keeping the tech [pfui] pure [feh]” is drivel for internal consumption by the rubes? Anyway, Little Greedy-Paws isn’t noted for his consistency or morality, and thus will do a volte-face whenever it suits him.

        It seems it is a franchise of sorts – about the only proper one Shortarse has permitted since he destroyed the Co$’s own franchise operation by setting up the RTC back in the 80’s. The only oddity is why he hasn’t used the same idea elsewhere – but then there can’t be too many other manipulative cults quite like the NOI to exploit.

        http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Home-Page-News-and-Views/is-farrakhan-merging-islam-and-scientology.aspx

        • Poison Ivy

          Great comment, Mark. Agreed. Above my theory was that Johnson has his eye on Davey’s checkbook. But I’m sure Farrakhan was also attracted by the mind control techniques of Scientology, which work pretty darn well.
          However, why not just steal the techniques? Why join forces? (If not for money…)

          • Mark

            There’s definitely more going on there than meets the eye, Ivy.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I think that will be GAT 3.

        • filosofa

          Thanks for that, Mark. The video was a real eye-opener. A mesalliance on the surface and yet so many similarities.

      • 1subgenius

        Its always been a franchise operation.

      • Captain Howdy

        Based on what I have read, NOI is using “dianetic auditing”, which is auditing without the use of the e-meter. This is not “squirreling” in the CofS.

        • ze moo

          I hope an ex can confirm, but ‘Dianetic auditing’ is the emeter with concentration on pre-natal and current life ‘engrams’. Past life stuff is not included.

          Much has been speculated about the deal between CO$ and NOI. Best one I have heard is Farrakhan gets most of the money, CO$ gets 10%. There are warehouses full of emeters, someone has to buy them. CO$ gets some ‘straight up and vertical’ sales and NOI gets emetered brain slugs.

          Such an alliance can’t end well. This deal does nothing to advance the core business of either party.

          • Studious Judious

            From my experience in COS, Dianetic auditing does NOT use the e-meter. You are correct that it targets engrams all the way back to prenatal life, but no past lives.

            • Robert Eckert

              When Dianetics the {Modern} {Science} of Mental {Health} was written, LRH had not yet invented stolen the e-meter.

          • Orglodyte

            “Book One” Dianetics does not use the meter. “New Era Dianetics” does. NED came along in the 70’s and is much more “cookbook” in nature than the original non-metered stuff, which involved a lot of seat-of-the-pants improvising on the part of the auditor. I’ve given and received both flavors.

            • Orglodyte

              I’ve never seen, and don’t find on Google, any reference to e-meters and NOI together. From NOI’s language it would appear that they are doing Book One.

          • ThetaBara

            There is a recorded phone call going around which suggests that Farrakhan got a lump sum plus a percentage. DM would never sign off on such a disadvantageous deal as only 10%. That’s the payOUT.

          • Captain Howdy

            Hubbardites were auditing each other before Mathison invented the e-meter and they continued to audit when CofS lost the right to use the e-meter for approx 3 years. How’d they do that?

      • ThetaBara

        There are photos of them doing the TRs in rows of chairs. It is real.

        • filosofa

          Wow! Where can I find these photo’s, are they accessible on the internet?

          • ThetaBara
            • filosofa

              Glad I wasn’t imagining things!! Disqus seems to be being tricksy tonight. That picture is so sad – to see the Scilon plague crossing the globe toidamage a lot of new victims.

          • ThetaBara
            • filosofa

              Am puzzled – when I first clicked on the link above I saw a pair of comparison pictures, both with groups of adults undergoing auditing. The picture above does indeed seem to be relief work. Am I going crazy at long last…did I imagine the other pics??? :-/

            • ThetaBara

              Well, if by “relief work” you really mean “indoctrinating little children” then I guess I can’t argue. Heh. I made two comments, each with an image.

            • monkeyknickers

              Theta – is this real? This pic? I mean – did this Sci thing happen?

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      And Farakan smells mo money.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
      • Mark

        The way I heard it was cruder: “three pounds of shit stuffed in a two-pound bag.”

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Mark, you have us confused with Southern Baptists!

  • SickMyDuck

    Kirstie needs to break down and go get lap-band. ASAP

    • filosofa

      One for her mouth at the same time?

      • SickMyDuck

        No, there’s already a foot there.
        (dang, I just imagined her foot size…the smell…the hair. I’m gonna be sick.)

        • filosofa

          Nooooo! Why did you share that! Eeeew…

    • A major surgery that doesn’t work, just like diets don’t work? Okay!

      She needs to come to terms with the fact that the set point for her to be healthy is not supermodel skinny. But what she needs to do more than anything is leave Scientology.

      • SickMyDuck

        She’s hurting people with her shear girth, that’s why the lap-band was suggested.

        • Kitz

          So you suggest something that could legitimately kill her? One of my class mates almost DIED from complications of lap-band surgery. Two other friends have had bypass surgery done, and that’s screwed up how their bodies take in essential vitamins and minerals, makes all other diagnoses difficult due to having to take the bypass into consideration as a cause, and they have to carry documents that tell emergency responders that they have had one in case they are unconscious….

          Very callous of you.

          • SickMyDuck

            Sense of humor – look in to it.

            • Kitz

              Oh, I have a very good sense of humor – mostly very dark, morbid, and twisted. I don’t find fat shaming funny at all… Especially when suggesting a very dangerous procedure that most people don’t need. I know more heavy people who are much healthier than skinny people, than the other way around. Your comment wasn’t funny at all, just ignorant.

            • SickMyDuck

              Let’s break out the logic. Do you for one minute think that Kirstie will even read this post? And for shits and giggles, let say she does – do you TRULY believe she would ponder my suggestion of a lap-band?
              I, for one, do not think so. My comment was made purely out of comic relief derived from the video posted above.
              Now, if YOU have a weight problem, and have been shamed for it, then that’s on you. My “ignorance” has nothing to do with that.

            • Kitz

              So as long as the subject of the ridicule doesn’t read the statement, it’s okay? Interesting logic. Comedy is subjective, and you aren’t funny at all IMO.
              *shrug*

            • ThetaBara

              Sense of decency, google it.

            • SickMyDuck

              Was I too hard on Kirstie?
              I guess I’ll have to remember you said that when Kirstie is out there promoting a religion that breaks up families, enslaves children and forces abortions on its cheap labor.

            • ThetaBara

              Those are all legit criticisms of her. So why didn’t you say them? Your comment was an unfunny cheap shot.

              I’ll remember you while I’m out raiding. Or, maybe not.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Not to defend, but most people do not realize how dangerous this surgery is. People see successful surgical outcomes and think that happens every time.

            • Kitz

              I understand that, but I don’t see ignorance as a valid excuse.. especially when coupled with ridicule. Telling someone basically to ‘get a sense of humor’ when they point out personal experiences of others? Really? Sorry I have no patience for that either.
              Educate yourself (general, not specifically you) about what you are spouting, and don’t just post ignorant comments.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I watched ToryMagoo44 vids on weight gain in the upper levels of $cientology. Very informative. Tory has lost a lot of weight using WW.

      • villagedianne

        It works for some people.

    • ze moo

      Lap band surgery can be dangerous. Kristie is not so obese to need such surgery, IMHO. Like most, she just needs to exercise more and eat less. Cris Kristie (NJ Gov) needed the lap band.

      As human males don’t spend their days chasing down antelope for dinner and human females don’t spend their days digging up roots, keeping the children safe from lions and just trying to survive, we could all use some exercise.

      I am going the the state fair tomorrow, I wonder what deep fried treat is in vogue this year???

      • Eclipse-girl

        Pretty much all surgery is invasive and can be dangerous.

      • Studious Judious

        funnel cake!

      • SickMyDuck

        My comments about the lap-band were in jest. I could honestly care less about Kristie and her well being….but that’s just me.

      • ThetaBara

        Actually, science says that wild animals and even lab animals (whose diets are super controlled) have been steadily gaining weight, so “willpower, diet and exercise” really doesn’t cut it as an explanation any more. (Also, genetics can’t be ignored.)

        This piece from io9 has a link to a much longer article about this:
        http://io9.com/this-is-not-why-you-are-fat-1198594422

      • Minion Gayle

        Twinkies are back.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist
    • Poison Ivy

      Love it THDNE!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        tks (machine on the left is the actual rendering from the architectural drawings. It’s supposed to be located in the PAIN Station). When I first saw that, I thought to myself that there are probably some in the wealthy pods that I know of that will probably pay big $ for THAT. hah

    • Mark

      The ‘Advent of Scientology’s Destruction Calendar’ grows apace!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        OH, Mark. I never thought of that. hahahah. You gave me a good belly laugh with this one. You’re so clever.

    • RMycroft

      Is that a balm threat?

      • ThetaBara

        Boo!

  • ze moo

    The swath of land between Chicago and Detroit is the ‘heartland’ of the Nation Of Islam. NYC has a fair number of NOI too, but the main NOI action is Chicago. Watching the NOI ‘take over’ any Ideal mOrg would be fun, but legally very hard to do. Land and building title seem to always be vested in the national clam corp. I would expect NOI to ‘borrow’ CO$ money raising ‘tech’ and go it alone. That is more in line with NOI traditions.

    The CO$ paid almost 1/2 million in fines for the Stupor Powerz building in Clearwater, they can pay any fine Chicago levies out of petty cash. Then, they’ll hit up the locals for more, just because they can. More clams will defect to the indies or get out entirely when they are dunned (regged in $cieno-speak) too much. That will leave the most loyal and that is what the evil little orc wants. Everybody is disposable in Lroon land, except COB.

    While Leah Remini still gets daily ink for her escape, the crazy is still following Katie Holmes and the ‘wife audition’ crew. John Travolta can ‘testify’ for the life altering ‘tech’ of the clams all he wants {steps a to e?}, but stories about the crazy out number the testimonials 10 to 1. Not even prweb can save them. That turn is long overdue.

    • Missionary Kid

      New name for Co$: ClamCo.

    • ThetaBara

      NOI are already holding functions in CO$ spaces, FWIW. They put up their flags but the big LRH portrait is still in full effect. No word yet on whether they make them cheer to it (doubtful).

      What is going to be really interesting is (if CO$ lasts long enough) when Miss Cabbage and King Louis start to vie for power… unless Louis really got indoc’d.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      The late humanitarian and philanthropist Muammar Qaddafi was the primary source of funding for the Nation of Islam.

      Following Mr. Qaddafi’s death in an automobile accident in 2011, the Nation of Islam lost this source of overseas funding.

      Accordingly, the Nation of Islam is increasingly turning to the sales of Church of Scientology products and services in order to supplement its income.

      While we in RTC lament the passing of Mr. Qaddafi, we are nevertheless pleased that the Church of Scientology was able to step in and fill a financial void in the Nation of Islam.

  • NeverIn

    OK, I’m just going to say this. I can bag all day on Scientology and Kirstie’s behavior. But I can do without the fat-hate. See you guys later.

    • Eclipse-girl

      If you read through the comments, not everyone is full of fat – hate. I am fat, too. Others admitted their own challenges. I get annoyed that KA is running a weight loss program and she doesn’t seem to have lost weight.

      • She has lost weight. And re-gained. And lost. And re-gained. And etc. ad infinitum. Which is what 97% of people who go on diets do.

        I think it’s telling that her weight is the #1 thing people go to when making fun of Kristie Alley — or any other woman.

        • Eclipse-girl

          As stated before, I am FAT. I do not like KA because she is a bitch. I don’t even find her acting humorous. I do not make fun of people because they are overweight. Too many people think it is due to willpower. Most fat people have more will power than detracters will ever realize.

          • Poison Ivy

            Will power has nothing to do with any addiction. People say that to addicts/alcoholics as well, “Well, you should just have more will power.” Please. Will power may play a part in a bad habit, but that’s a different animal.
            These are complex issues. I hope you have not been offended here, Eclipse. As I said, Kirstie’s weight to me is nothing to ridicule, but it is evidence of the utter failure of OT powers and “the tech” to solve life’s problems.
            When someone has the money and resources that Kirstie has, the issue goes deeper than “will power.” Like Oprah, Kirstie can afford to have a personal trainer every day and a chef cooking every calorie-controlled meal for her. I was at a high-end weightloss/fitness spa once that she frequented – the damn place was like $8000 a week (and more for her, since she took the “VIP cottage” instead of a regular room. So make that at least $15,000 a week). What average person has those options?
            There is something else going on there – that Scientology is supposed to be a “solution” for. And it absolutely ISN’T.

            • Phil McKraken

              Fighting an addiction with will power is usually a losing move. I found that using distraction from cravings to be much more effective. I used to try calculating 20! in my head to avoid my nicotine fits.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am not offended. Not by anyone here. I have issues that go back to childhood, and I have slowly dealt with many of them.

              I agree that “The ideal OT spiel” of a person who should never get sick or never be overweight is just crap. It doesn’t work. People are sold a fantasy. I find that sad, and predatory.

              I do have sugar addiction issues, and like an alcoholic I can NOT treat myself once in a while. Many people refuse to acknowledge sugar or food addiction.

              TY for your kind words.

            • Interested

              What I find sad is that it is visible that the tech does not work but those hooked still live in hope like anyone being conned.
              I too am fat, go up and down like a yoyo, and if I thought the tech worked and I would become a super being in control…. Well, like a shot I’d be panting up that bridge…
              About 20 + yrs ago a doctor gave this pill to women. One pill and the weight dropped off… When they had reached their desired weight he would give them another pill. He was stopped because the first pill was actually a worm…. The second killed it. I would probably go down that route even though the thought is yuck.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I have heard of some women using tape worms to lose weight and keep it off. “Yech” is my opinion, too

            • tetloj

              I’ve been able to give up alcohol but sugar is a prick.

            • ThetaBara

              Totally agree. She ought to be able to postulate it off, really! It’s just that mocking her weight plays into all sorts of cultural nasty. I love that we’re having this discussion now. The past few Kirstie posts have been hard for me to get through, comment wise (and I am not even all that fat – but I am female).

            • villagedianne

              A lot of women experience changes in metabolism as they grow older. They may not be eating more, but their bodies process food differently. It happened to me and a lot of other women.

            • Poison Ivy

              Pretty much all of us, Villagedianne….

            • Robert Eckert

              Males are not immune.

        • CraftLass

          The go-tos with women: If she’s overweight, mock the fatness. If she’s skinny, call her a whore. Doesn’t matter if she’s an actress, academic, or prime f-ing minister of a country.

          I touched on this below, but one of the main reasons KA has fans is that people relate to her yo-yoing and struggle with weight and how public she is through it all. It’s rather ironic that she gets mocked for the same thing that has kept her in the public eye even when she’s not working. Whether you like her or not, she is a big part of the public debate over fat acceptance and she’s made a lot of people feel less alone in their own struggles.

          That said, she is a horrifically mean and petty woman who no one should look up to. Before Twitter, you’d have to really follow celebs to know that, I’m guessing. I had no idea. Then she got this megaphone and has used it mainly to show what an ugly person she is on the inside. With insides like that, who cares about the outside?

          {Oh, wait – but she’s female, and therefore fat or a whore or a fat whore. Gee, such originality!}

          • Eclipse-girl

            Lets make a pact and not criticize any person due to their weight. I do not throw around words like fat or whore.

            • aquaclara

              I agree, too. Nice comments, Eclipse-girl.
              Now I AM ok picking on funny outfits of celebs, since we all share in those photo moments, just under less scrutiny. And I am ok picking on horrible manners and behavior, twitter-based or verbal.

            • CraftLass

              I think that comment is the most I’ve ever used those words… lol. Heck, I wouldn’t call an actual prostitute a whore (or disrespect her profession, for that matter). I’m not all that politically correct, but those two words are almost solely used to degrade women, often successful women who should be admired, at that.

              So, yes, that sounds like a good pact. I’m in! 🙂

            • Poison Ivy

              Done.

              Again, I think Kirstie’s weight is nothing to make fun of – but I do think it attests to her extreme unhappiness and the utter failure of the “tech”.

            • Studious Judious

              There are times I feel that Tony’s blog is somewhat of a group therapy.

              I often learn something new here. And I love to see us all grow and try to be better people.

              I love you folks!

            • filosofa

              I agree, Eclipse-girl. A wise and kind suggestion. The “fat” issue is far too loaded ever to be snarky about again and I’m done with my share of inadvertent offending. I wouldn’t dream of calling any other woman “a whore” – that word is incredibly rude and in extremely bad taste.

            • Artoo45

              Then how do we justify the shortdwarfteensyshrimptinybitsymidget slurs we (I include myself in that we) pour over DM with such glee? It’s often implied that he’s in love with TC or called Miss Cabbage, both of which are a variations on the feminine perjorative, which is would never be okay with me. I try to justify the short snark based on how much it must piss him off, but even then, what’s the collateral damage here? How many of us are below median height? How many of us are overweight? How many of us are not straight, white, successful, religious (but not too religious), American males?
              As a veteran of the misogyny wars in the Atheist/Skeptic Community, I can tell you that the simplest request to refrain from using the feminine perjorative can create savage rifts like you wouldn’t believe. If I’d never use someone’s weight in an ad hominem attack, so it’s hypocritical of me to use Miscavige’s diminutive stature. His height is not a flaw, his behavior is. So much as I love joking, degrading, snark and mockery, and as much as I pat myself on the back for finding ever more ridiculous ways to insult DM’s height (I’m gonna miss Cali’lgula), I will find ways that insult the things he can actually do something to change.
              BTW I love that we’re having this conversation. Imagine OSA reflecting on their behavior?

            • marti

              DM is fairgame.

            • Artoo45

              He is. I’ll just rip him a new one without mocking his physical appearance from now on.

            • Eclipse-girl

              In a different place in todays responses. I state that I am short. Most short people do not feel their challenge is a disability or liability. It just is. I feel no shame ridiculing DM short stature because i learned today, that maybe just maybe he caused his own shortness due to steroids, perhaps for his asthma AND I am so full of contempt for Co$, LRH and DM for the damage they have caused others.

          • villagedianne

            Was she always mean, or is that her cult personality?

            • CraftLass

              That is a very good question. A very good question.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          As a woman and person, she struggles with the same weight issues as many. Nothing to make fun of. As a cultie and mean spriited human being, that is a different matter!

          • Sherbet

            I misread your last sentence, thus: “As a cutie and mean spirited…” and was wondering Wha?? Got to get my eyes checked.

            • Poison Ivy

              Tory Magoo is a “cutie.” Kirstie is a “Cultie”

        • ThetaBara

          This is exactly it.

    • Karen715

      I agree, to a point. I’m about Kirstie’s size, and the fat comments rankle quite a bit. But I’ll be sticking around.

    • Sherbet

      I agree, and I said it below, but I’m going to stay.

    • Normally I’d agree that sort of thing should be off the table as personal insults are what you resort to when you have no valid argument. However Kirstie makes money pimping weight loss products so that changes things a bit and makes her weight “fair game” so to speak.

      • marti

        “Kirstie makes money pimping weight loss products”
        She needs some way to make money to finally up her status to OT XIII on the Freewinds.

        • villagedianne

          If Cheers didn’t bring Alley all the money she’ll ever need, then she’s too dumb to breathe. I think she just wants to be in the public eye.

          • Robert Eckert

            I’m sure it brought her all the money she could ever need, but there is no such thing as all the money CoS could ever want to suck out of her.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Making remarks are okay about her Product then as well as her personal integrity and lacking thereof for exploiting people. See? there’s plenty to around.

    • 1subgenius

      She pulled it in.

      • villagedianne

        Okay, good one, 1subgenius.

      • Robert Eckert

        With the intensity of her gravitational field, she pulls in more than most people.

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      You are right to point this out; but fat jokes aside, just the outfit she had on was good for a few chuckles, lilac voile curtains that looked held up by diaper pins, and she does indeed bank$$$ on her always fluctuating weight.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Oh, we can definitely go after the wardrobe. In scientologese, we would say she is stuck in an incident. I can’t even point to a certain decade, because she doesn’t even get it right for the decade. She Must have a scientologist as her wardrobe lady. Wanna bet?

        • ThetaBara

          TOTALLY. She seems to be doing the “walk of shame” even on good days!

    • GlibWog

      By ABC News

      Nov 7, 2012 8:25am

      ABC News’ Vanessa Weber reports:

      From “Dancing With the Stars” to her famously fluctuating weight,
      Kirstie Alley is a woman who loves to reinvent herself and isn’t afraid
      to tell all. Her latest disclosure: a secret romance with Patrick
      Swayze.

      The co-stars fell in love working on the movie “North and South,”
      Alley said, and Swayze wanted Alley to get a divorce from her husband
      and marry him, but Alley wouldn’t do it.

      “I probably was more willing to break up my marriage, and I wasn’t
      willing to break up his marriage,” Alley told ABC News’ Barbara Walters,
      in an interview about her new book, “The Art of Men,” which details her
      ups and downs in life and in love.
      ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
      I have never ever joked about anyone’s weight. God knows I have struggled. Kristie Alley is NOT a Good woman.
      How do you think Patrick’s wife Lisa felt after reading this 3 years after his death? She is truly an evil woman who hurts others in her path.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Is there any evidence for this? Patrick can not defend himself. I feel for Lisa. This is one reason why some might call a woman a whore, not because of her weight.

        • GlibWog

          I commented ( don’t know where it went..)

          I do NOT know the answer to this Eclipse. All the evidence I have is that it is in her book AND what she has blabbed to everyone.. Just a Biatch move.

          No excuse for it.. NONE..
          Other than hurting others. Just sickening. I can NOT stomach her!

          • Eclipse-girl

            So perhaps there is absolutely no truth to this story and it is a made up fantasy / delusion on KA’s part?

            You are correct, there is no EXCUSE FOR CHEATING.

            END the relationship. Give yourself some time to mourn and heal.

          • ThetaBara

            Even if it is true (not likely) there’s no reason to say it.

      • Poison Ivy

        Nice of her to do this to her husband (Parker Stevenson) as well.

        • GlibWog

          Ohhh absolutely PI .. what a piece of work.. I can’t imagine how many people she has
          Not only Shit on but Fair Gamed ” along the way

          • Poison Ivy

            Not to mention that it’s “Out 2-D”, right?

            Glib, did you try and contact me through the Rodeo?

            • ThetaBara

              Might have been me. 🙂

            • Poison Ivy

              Glib said I didn’t return an email but I didn’t get one. I am supposed to get email alerts from Rodeo but haven’t been lately.

            • ThetaBara

              I just wanted to mention that I especially appreciated one of your recent comments, and so did the folks I passed it on to. 🙂

        • GlibWog

          commented earlier..where did it go..?
          Yeah absolutely PI just reprehensible …

      • Phil McKraken

        “How do you think Patrick’s wife Lisa felt after reading this 3 years after his death?”

        She’s probably thinking what I’m thinking: Not bloody likely.

      • Nevermore

        To quote a character from a popular UK TV programme, ‘my arse!’

      • ThetaBara

        That still doesn’t mean it’s ok to fat-bash. it has effects beyond its intended target (who, face it, probably doesn’t read these comments anyway).

        • Interested

          Once again Theta you are right on… Fat has zilch to do with the fact she is a wicked ( the original meaning not today’s meaning) mean spirited self serving self absorbed malicious cow. Another one who thinks she knows everything just like her buddy TC !

    • Spackle Motion

      I despise it as well. When I see/read commenters going for the lowest ad hom on someone’s weight, I immediately see these people as being deathly afraid of being fat or hating their own fat.

      It’s sort of like the homophobia crowd…..those that protest too much are usually self-hating queens. And human beings often hate in others what they hate in themselves.

      So for all of you that keep up the fat jokes, just know that some of us read those comments as a statement about you instead of your intended target.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I believe enough of us have gotten our nun rulers out and smacked the desks a few times today about it. As I said before, Kirsty’s behavior is our concern. stay focused.

        • marti

          Now I have images of nuns and rulers.

          • villagedianne

            You mean interplanetary rulers? Who like volcanoes?

      • CraftLass

        “So for all of you that keep up the fat jokes, just know that some of us read those comments as a statement about you instead of your intended target.”

        Cheers, well said! 🙂

    • George Layton

      dm is short and there are plenty of joking and degrading in that regard. I always thought it was just another way to make fun of her life choices and didn’t see it as insulting others. If I have made some remarks that others took as an insult, while they were not intentionally pointed at that person, please accept my apologies.

      • GlibWog

        I will never stop making fun of DM.. NEVER.. I’m just sayin

        Of course I don’t want to offend anyone. I want to offend only one SHORT person when I am putting digs out there… Creepy, Sociopathic, slimy… EVil .. Sadistic. Hateful.. ugly.. coward Tiny Boots.

        and OMG I will offend FZ and Indies.. I Hate HUBS..He was a Con Man, Evil, Ugly, Cyst Head, Rotten teeth, Liar, Creep… I hate everything about him. I hate the Cult and all it stands for.

      • ThetaBara

        I see slagging off a fat chick for being fat (even Kirstie) as different than mocking Miscavige’s height. Most short people aren’t told every day of their lives that there is something wrong with them because of it.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Being 5′ 2″, which is short for a woman, most short people learn to accept the challenge and get on with life. I do not consider it a liability. I can make fun of myself for being short. I do not feel a need to control everything due to my challenge (although my DH may disagree 😉 )

          • villagedianne

            I’m the same height. It’s short for a woman, yes, but still a normal height. Under 5′ is more what I think of as a really short woman.
            Miscavige’s height is really short for a man. And I think being short impacts men differently.

          • Captain Howdy

            You don’t call a 5’2″ woman short…you call them a spinner, yee-haw!

            And if I’ve ever offended anyone here in anyway…GOOD and tough shit.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              HA! I like this guy.

              But seriously, IMO it’s all fair game or NONE is fair game. DM’s height, TC’s center tooth, JT’s {maybe, possibly} homesexualness. Where do we draw the line? I take the standar comedians stance. Say what you want and don’t apologize for the joke. All this PC talk today almost makes me wish for a visit from “he-who-shall-not-be-named”….almost. I mean, I’m super glad the Bunker can have the discussions that happen here without sinking to massive levels of nonsense, but being so worried about PCness is what’s pussifying the world.

      • Jo

        Just realised I’m only an inch taller than Mini Micsavage. I always thought I was tall and everyone else was short. Husband thinks this hilarious, strange.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I agree with everyone who says making fun of overweight people is wrong. I am happy to criticize Kirstie Alley for her support of the cult, but I don’t think it is right to criticize people for how they look. I also do not like to criticize Miscavige by calling him a dwarf, since dwarves (“little people”) suffer enough discrimination and stigma without my adding to it.

      • Sherbet

        I think it’s important to speak up in the Bunker and elsewhere when we feel the conversation is getting too personal or uncomfortable. This is what NeverIn and others have done — not to lecture people to “be nice,” but to get the focus back on scn. I’ve hollered “Foul!” a few times, myself, when I thought comments were offensive and off track, but I don’t want to be perceived as Goodie Two-Shoes. I don’t suffer in silence, but neither do I hold it against anyone who wants to keep up the weight- and height-related zingers. We’re all at different levels of tact, acceptance, humor, anger, and perception here in the Bunker, and that’s OK.

        • Marie Claire Wolf

          Thank you Sherbet for your thoughtful and tactful comment 😉

        • Nevermore

          Well, I’m the same height as the Dwarvenfuhrer, and about the same weight as Krustie and I’m not offended by height/weight remarks in the least. Each to their own What I will not tolerate is Gingerism!

          • Sherbet

            That’s what I say: Play along, or voice a complaint, but recognize the Bunker is a microcosm of the world, and we’re not always going to agree or even play nice.

            Now, you gingers are another story… 😉

            • Nevermore

              Don’t make me get my riding crop out of the cupboard! 😉

              If it is indeed true that Demento Miscabbitch comes here, then I suspect the jibes about his height cut deepest, an electronic death of a thousand cuts. Happy for the cutting to continue. Doesn’t mean I would be mean about someone else’s height. But he deserves it, and more!

        • GlibWog

          Just my last thought before I head for the beach…

          We are NOT mean people. When we make fun of others it is THAT person no one else.

          I am at the age where PC is exhausting. .. Everyone will get offended about anything.

          I’m chubby.. bring on the jokes.. I know Krusty’s jokes are NOT meant for me.

          I’m short.. I know the short jokes are NOT meant for me.

          I swear. I know I’ve offended some of you. I am sorry. That is the way I talk when I feel comfortable. I do not talk like that when I am out and about.

          I always thought the Bunker was a Safe Place to Land.

          Can those who are offended about making fun of KA’s size see that it is about KA only?
          Because then everyone will say that they are offended about something.. right.. ?

          Again. We are not mean people.

          We have so many Serious..I mean serious issues here. If we can laugh and blow off steam it should be a welcome relief.

          Not at the expense of other’s of course.. but can you back away enough to realize that it is targeted at Krusty and NOT anyone else..

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I sure don’t think you’re mean, Glib. But I stand with Sherb on this one.

          • Sherbet

            What TheHole said. You’re a sweetie-pie Glib, and I know you’re not being mean. Enjoy the beach!

          • ThetaBara

            I’m not offended by you. But there is SO MUCH MOAR to criticize about KA. Everyone already knows she’s fat. It makes us look bad to keep harping on it, IMHO. The Bunker is read by many more than just us yappy commenters, don’t forget.

        • Robert Eckert

          No, you’re never perceived as “Goodie Two-Shoes”– but maybe a bit “theety weety” 😉

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I’m sorry, Robert. I’m afraid I am going to have to challenge you to a duel. I think I explained yesterday, them’s fightin’ words. Now I must raise my hand, drop the gloves, and challenge to defend Sherb’s honor, even though she IS wasting precious time laying around the beach when she Could be saving the planet … from scientology. I digress.

            Duel ON!
            http://youtu.be/Uzae_SqbmDE

          • Sherbet

            Goodie Weetie, that’s me.

            • Captain Howdy

              As long as you’re not a boo-hoo or a grim weeper, you’re alright in my book.

            • Sherbet

              Mutual Admiration Society, Cap. I’ll keep the boo-hooing to a minimum and only when baby animals are involved.

        • monkeyknickers

          I hear you sweetie. As a giant fat lady, I hear you.

          But I think (and I said this below somewhere too) I THINK (mind melted) that we all flash on it because she has made a CAREER out of mocking or promoting or utilizing-for-money something that is genuinely a serious affliction for people.

          So in this very particular case on this blog and Sci and HER, it’s just more about . . . . calling bullshit.

          Something like that I think.

          “I think” she says – jesus when’s the last time that actually happened. 🙂

      • Jgg2012

        Here is one of Kirstie’s latest tweets:

        “What doesn’t exist that you would like to see exist ?? anything? anything ?”
        I said “a perfect clear”.

        • GlibWog

          bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhahahhahahah

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Neverlin, you whiny little screedy toad! Nobody would care about Kirstie’s weight except for the fact that she claims to be an OT and therefore cause over Matter, Energy, Space, and Time. To make such a grand claim of spiritual power demands that one not be fat and overweight. Otherwise, the entire premise of the State of OT rings hollow, false, and hypocritical. This is what galls we in RTC.

      We have had CCI gently prod Kirstie many times to be OT and keep her dietary ruds in, but no. She overeats and balloons up and gets fat. Then she loses weight. This is not what an OT does.

      And so why what happens is that wog Scientology haters attack OT’s because Kirstie is fat. Kirstie could protect her own health and the Church is she controlled her diet, but no, she chooses not to and so all OT’s and the subject of Scientology itself is ridiculed.

      • ThetaBara

        Why can’t she just postulate it away?
        And for that matter, why haven’t you folks managed to get rid of Anonymous yet? It’s been, what, over five years?!

    • Zer0

      Agreed. It really gets tacky. You could say the same for height shaming.

    • monkeyknickers

      I think MAYBE it’s not fat hate.

      I’ve been thinking on this all day actually, and how it’s best described.

      Because A) I am fat. Pregnant yes, but fat.

      and b) I was a fat teenager. Which is why I worked on my “personality” 🙂

      I think the thing that everyone is reacting to is the fact that SHE has made being fat into a money maker. Over and over and over and over. She is using that as a way to hustle. And it bothers lots of us that think that to hustle ANYBODY kinda sucks. So when she does something that out and out illustrates that, it’s hard not to point it out.

      People are fat. Absolutely. Whatever you’re position on whether or not being grossly overweight is . . . . this is about her hubris. Nothing more.

      In my opinion. Which is totally meaningless. I mean – I don’t even know roman numerals. 🙂

  • Dean Fox

    Regarding the tree felling fiasco: I’ve proposed a new system for city ordinance violation fines that links the amount of the fine to the ability of the developer to pay such fines based on real estate holdings within the city. The argument being that fines are meant to be a deterrent so they should be an equal deterrent to all. I think I’ve ironed out most of the issues that may arise with such a system in my proposal so hopefully the city may consider it. That way future developers with deep pockets will have to be just as mindful of city ordinances as an individual homeowner.

    It’s funny how the church of scientology so often highlights the need to tighten up regulations, as they did in Australia with the charity tax breaks.

    • Captain Howdy

      The fact that the mayor couldn’t revoke the license for the scilons to erect their circus tent in punishment for their egregious act I find outrageous.

      The U.S legal system is way too convoluted for my liking.

      • Robert Eckert

        The license for them to erect their tent has not yet been issued. Next week the city is supposed to come out with a “checklist” of things CoS has to do before they get their license.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Patience, grasshopper. We’re all waiting with bated breath for the permit “checklist” the city will hand scientology on September 5. Trust me when I say, permit “checklists” in Pinellas County can be a real bitch and DM can’t whine unfair. Contractors and homeowners alike have whined for decades about it. There should be a Footbullet Parade this year … perhaps on Halloween. I nominate you as Parade Marshall.

        • Zer0

          They could pass a new ordinance:

          “The occupancy limit for tents shall be 100, unless the tent owner has obtained a ‘Tree Conservation’ certificate through the Mayor’s Office.”

          • Robert Eckert

            See now, that’s the kind of thing he is saying would not be good to do. Then the Scilons can go to court and say “This ordinance is obviously directed just at us, and they cannot pretend it is not discriminatory because here-and-here-and-here are other cases of tree-felling that they did not respond to in this way, blah blah blah”.

            • Zer0

              The Mayor can’t treat them differently with current laws, since that would be biased. But they can certainly pass new ones, however laser-guided the new ordinance would appear.

            • Robert Eckert

              The courts might not see it that way. They are much better off applying the existing laws, very precisely, and making the permit application process for the Scilons every bit as excruciating as it has been made for other applicants in the past.

  • 1subgenius

    Actually the cult did not mean to hire an arborist. They had advertised for an abortionist.
    Study tech fail.

    • Cheryl

      So their dyslexia programmes are working well then!!

      • Interested

        We know they do because TC mD says they do. He no longer suffers.

      • Artoo45

        Yeah, we got ’em runnin’ sacred.

    • GlibWog

      Genius!

  • Bert Alan

    Can anyone explain why fining the COS per the law would be treating them differently than other citizen/organizations? Does Clearwater have a history of not enforcing its “tree preservation ordinance.” That line of thought in the Mayor’s statement makes no sense to me

    • Robert Eckert

      They DID fine the CoS per the law. Unfortunately that fine doesn’t amount to much in their case, although to a typical private homeowner a couple of thousand-dollar tickets would be a big deal.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      There have been calls for taking stronger action against the CoS, but the Mayor points out that every action that may be taken has been (ie: a fine). They cannot single out the CoS for harsher punishment, regardless of how egregiously they acted.

  • Krew13

    I wish Miscmidget had been advised to say something like “How’s my dawgs doing? We want to reach out to all the homeboys and flygirls of America. Whitey wouldn’t know shit if it wasn’t for you all. Mad props to African Americans. Peace out”. I suppose that’s why Cruise begged for the role in Tropic Thunder. He needed to rehabilitate his damaged public image following his Matt Lauer/couch jumping/Brooke Shield smearing antics, and he must’ve thought “what better way to get back in the public’s good graces than play a comical character who dances to hip-hop? People will see me as a harmless loveable guy who’s down with the kids and likes rap”.

    There ARE a couple of hip-hop terms that are appropriate for Miscmidget and his cabana boy. They’re a pair of punk ass bitches and they’re punk motherfuckers. Ya dig?

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    On the eve of the opening of the building that will show the world how “ethical” and “powerful” Miscavige and his church are, the highest elected official in the city this building is in states as a fact that the church, in a “stealthy” move, broke faith with the city and committed a crime. This demonstrates two things: (1) the mayor understands the sea change in the country vis-a-vis the CoS. He had no problem stating publicly that the church acted underhandedly, unethically and illegally; and (2) Miscavige doesn’t understand that there has been a sea change. If he did, he would not have so cavalierly ordered his minions to spit in the city’s face and break the law. Miscavige just doesn’t get it. His disrespect for the life of those trees, for the laws of Clearwater, and for the city officials he was dealing with, angers people. They may not get the cult issues, or theology issues, but they get disrespect issues. The public hates wealthy people and famous people who thumb their noses at the law and common decency.

    • Ruby

      well said!

    • Robert Eckert

      “The public hates wealthy people and famous people who thumb their noses at the law and common decency” Trump’s behavior in Scotland is a story that just won’t die over there and keeps getting some international attention. This reminds me a bit of that.

      • Nevermore

        Yeah, we mostly think he’s a big-mouthed arrogant arsehole who thinks that buying some land gives him control of the entire country. He has seriously misjudged the good people of Scotland. If there’s one thing they hate, it’s some big ‘I Am’ trying to push us around! But I digress…

      • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

        Trump: a narcissist with limited empathetic capacity.
        LRH: a pathological narcissist with virtually no empathetic capacity.
        DM: a pathological narcissist without any empathetic capacity, except to derive pleasure from the knowledge that HE has inflicted pain and/or destroyed someone.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I think that is called sadism

          • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

            Bingo. In the severe range and unchecked. What they find when they breech the living quarters and nether chambers of his compound should prove quite interesting.

        • media_lush

          very few people know this but Trump is, in fact, jewish…. not a big deal but he says he’s Lutheran or some such in one of his biographies. when I lived in New York my roommate was a very close friend of Norma Foederer (she was Trump’s long term PA from the beginning to the billionaire years)…. Norma and my friend’s dad were long time buddies and she sort of became his surrogate Auntie in NY…. they would have lunch at least once a month.

        • GlibWog

          I agree about LRH and DM, but not about Trump. Yes he is a narcissist … but I don’t believe that his has limited empathetic capacity.

      • media_lush

        “The public hates wealthy people”

        …. a tad of a generalisation…. Bill Gates, Richard Branson [John P?]

        Trump is truly the über douche of all rich douchbags though. I’ve noticed that he’s given up tweeting, which is a shame as he must be second to Miscavige in footbullet ephemera.

        • Robert Eckert

          Removing the qualification from the sentence is dishonest. Still_on_your_side didn’t say the public hates wealthy people, but that the public hates wealthy people who thumb their nose at the law and at decency.

          • media_lush

            if you put the “and famous” before “people” then it makes sense to what you’re trying to say [I think]

    • Poison Ivy

      I think he is probably becoming more delusional and unhinged. Put yourself in his place for a minute. (Squat down – no, a little lower – no, lower – just a little more, I know it hurts your knees – okay, perfect! Now scowl and mumble with a thick Philly accent. Good.)
      Okay, just imagine you’re Davey. You wake up every morning fresh from dreams of Sooper OT Powerz and Big Beingness and being the Grand Ecclesiastical Poobah of All Civilization, and probably before you have your coffee, the first news you get is something like, “Monique Rathbun filed a restraining order” or “They just raided another Narconon.” Every friggin’ day it’s something huge like that. (I’m sure it’s also someone new bringing him the news each time because probably every one of those messengers goes straight from Davey’s office to the RPF.)
      Even for us smaller, more degraded beings, it’s tough on your sanity taking hit after hit after hit. (I’ve had a couple years like that recently and it sucks)
      So imagine you’re Davey, with no other coping tools than Scientology – except you’re not even auditing anymore, right? Your only coping tools are violent tantrums, scotch, and throwing people into the Hole. Oh – and buying new clothes, probably.
      So I’d think Davey is probably as emotionally unstable now as he’s ever been.
      Who knows, maybe’ he’ll snap before Scientology does?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        The signs of his dementia are overwhelming at this point. Dementia or Demented, whatever you want to call it. He could have Easily bought those trees AND some good local PR by planting a negotiated amount of $$ in the Clearwater’s existing plant a tree campaign. The Mayor would have come out with a short press release about it and that would be that. The fact that he chose to treat the city officials the same way he treats his slaves and customers is a big fat neon telling Sign.

        Shipping that big yellow tent and erecting it And thinking it will be permanent, in the Height of hurricane season… it’s as if he Wants us all to know that he has gone over the edge.

        • Jvm3

          In his warped reality, though, it would probably not even occur to him that these trees could be good PR or bad PR. To him, this Super Power/Flag building opening is the greatest PR there ever could possibly be, right? Trees are so insignificant compared to this opening that they wouldn’t even register.

          • allioops

            “Only G-d can make a tree….Cults are made by fools like (DM)me.

        • GlibWog

          But… Hole.. He wouldn’t be able to show how Powerful he is..
          HE DOESN’T HAVE TO ASK NOBODY FOR NOTHIN.. HE WILL DO AS HE DAMN WELL PLEASES…

          and guess what? HE DID!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Off the rail. I just “discovered” “Follow” on Discus. So I clicked on some names. Now What? What does it DO? hahaha No really. What?

            • noseinabk

              I started doing the follow thing when I realized I could check on prolific posters who are missing. For example, I followed Alonzo because I was curious to see if he was gone or just not posting much. Helps also if you missed a “going on vacation” post.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              But what does it DO? Do you get some kind of notice somewhere, somehow when someone you have on a follow list posts something?

            • Poison Ivy

              I miss him. And Midwest Mom. And PreferToBeAnon.

            • noseinabk

              At least Alonzo didn’t delete his account. He may return.

            • GlibWog

              Me? You are asking me of all people No clue.. I have asked for 3 days now..
              I am NOT getting e mails saying that someone is replying to me ( although the one on Radar does ) I feel like I’m ignoring people..sigh.. What’s up with that?

            • Zer0

              JohnP uses this function – apparently you can get the posts emailed to you if you “follow” the post.

      • marti

        (Squat down – no, a little lower – no, lower – just a little more, I know it hurts your knees – okay, perfect! Now scowl and mumble with a thick Philly accent. Good.) LOL and Perfect.
        I won’t make fun of a person’s weight but DM’s straight up and vertical height IS fairgame.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Usually I wouldn’t make fun of a person because they are short. I am short, too. But he seems to have the classic megalomania brought on by having what is perceived as a physical imperfection. He allows it to be a button which is asking to be pushed

          • Poison Ivy

            Hey, have you noticed? A bunch of our favorite movie stars are short! Not just Tom Cruise – a whole passel of ’em. There’s nothing wrong with short – it can be sexy if “worn well.” DM does not “wear it well.” I’m sorry, but DM has forfeited the right to not be teased for ANY politically incorrect reason! The man is downright evil, and evil is “fair game”, Davey!

            • Jvm3

              A few other short persons who are/were evil: The Leprechaun, Chucky the Good Guy doll, Kim il Sung, Kim Jung il, Kim Jung Un, those creepy twins from The Shining

            • ThetaBara

              One of my hottest ex-boyfys was really short. The difference was he didn’t mind it. He dated me, he dated tall girls, and his wife is taller than he is.

            • Poison Ivy

              My Dad was quite short (5’7″) and I don’t ever recall anything ever being said about it. I think his tall older brothers teased him as a kid, but that’s about it. In fact he was known as quite handsome and as an old dude, “adorable.”
              Before MrPI my most serious ex was about that height as well (and an entertainer, of course) and I just never thought about it.
              Of course I am no supermodel heightwise either, so it’s not like I towered over either of them.

            • villagedianne

              If a guy is too tall, the blood takes too long getting where it needs to go. That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.
              Signed,
              a 5’2″ woman

            • GlibWog

              My X was 5′ 4″ He loved it.. He got a lot of attention ..and his Personality was fabulous.

              We were too young and I was too pregnant. left after 2 years.

              5’3″ here… : ) My hubby is 6′ 4″

            • Poison Ivy
            • sister wendy

              usually short and compact reads better on camera, doesn’t it?

          • Mark

            DM’s only got himself to blame for his restricted growth – abusing steroids when a teenager did it. Too lazy & impatient to take the hard-work bodybuilding way out of shrimpdom, this might account for his foul temper too – ‘roid-rage.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Not doubting what you say, just want verification. I think ‘roids are some of the worse drugs anyone can take

            • Mark

              I think it was mentioned in Barefaced Messiah.

            • Jvm3

              It’s actually in Going Clear. He took Corticosteroids for his asthma, which can stunt growth, but don’t have the same effect as anabolic steroids.

            • Mark

              You’re right. But the relevant passage implies more: “While David Miscavige was in the shower, [David] Scott took a look at the medication on his nightstand. He remembers seeing two bottles and two inhalers. One of the inhalers was a typical over-the-counter medication but all the others contained steroids.”

            • Jvm3

              Yeah, I read it as though Scott wasn’t sure which kind of steroids he had seen, but was suspicious. Also, the previous paragraph mentions how violent DM would get and seems like roid rage could fit with this. *shrug*

            • Poison Ivy

              Corticosteroids are not the same as anabolic steroids. Do both stunt growth?

            • Mark

              Jvm3 says they can (see above).

            • GlibWog

              I have read so much.. Read so many books I swear to God they are starting to blend together in a way that I can’t remember where I got the facts.

              I’m NOT saying that they are all the same.. I just forget which book I read particular information.

              Can’t wait for Tony’s..

            • Poison Ivy

              I believe he got into weight lifting steroids at some point, though, didn’t he? I mean, he went through that obsessive fitness phase. Marc H would probably know….

            • Poison Ivy

              I would love to get a true life story of DM from his now-out Dad and his now-out brother (Jenna’s dad.)

            • villagedianne

              I always wondered if Miscavige was exhibiting ‘roid rage. There is the story of when he slapped a PC he was auditing, and it was later blamed on medication he was taking for asthma.

              Here is a link on the slapping:

              http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?20250-Little-Miscavige-Slaps-Preclear

            • Once_Born

              I have often wondered if his legendary lack of control was due to his perceived poser going to his head, steroid abuse, or a combination of both.

      • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

        When he does snap, I just hope that it occurs in such a way that my fantasy (which I assume I share with all here, especially those who have actually been damaged by this thoroughly mean-spirited sociopath) becomes reality: Miscavige, led out of the court room, in shackles, after the judge has ordered a month-long, inpatient and in-depth evaluation at one of the state or federal forensic psychiatric units.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yep, that’s the Universal Dream around these parts.

        • Minion Gayle

          Nope, I’m hoping he strokes out before he can harm anyone else or take them with him. It’s not poetic, it’s quicker and more painless than he deserves, but it’s what’s best for the people that have to suffer under him every day.

          • Robert Eckert

            Could he have one of those strokes that doesn’t kill him but just leaves him half-paralyzed and unable to speak coherently, so that he can suffer for a while without being able to do any harm?

            • Minion Gayle

              Absolutely!

              As long as I don’t have to wipe his ass.

      • ThetaBara

        Your comment made me realize that it is entirely likely that the Cabbage started out as an honest TRUE BELIEVER, who really thought that in a few years, the Scilons WOULD be running everything and “saying what is legal” and that he quite possibly has already realized that it ain’t never coming true. Maybe this is what actually fuels his rages (along with scotch and testosterone, of course).

        • Poison Ivy

          I’m certain that when they beat the IRS in 1991 and when they managed to squeak out of the Lisa McPherson tragedy with nary a murder charge, it fueled his megalomania and belief that he was untouchable. I wonder when that facade started to crack…and when he started to overcompensate in his behavior to cover those cracks up?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Testosterone? You are too generous…

      • allioops

        one can only hope & pray.

      • Once_Born

        Makes you wonder.

        If Miscavige did have a psychotic break, could you tell the difference between Scientology and mental illness? For example if he developed delusions of grandeur, delusions of persecution, disordered thinking, bizarre beliefs (e.g.people’s bodies are infested with degraded immortal souls that can only be removed with an old-fashioned, but magic, electrical meter)… what’s new?

        If Hubbard had never made Scientology up, someone who presented to a doctor with those same beliefs, would raise serious concerns regarding their sanity and safety.

        That’s not a joke. I’m being serious here.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Hubbard was clinically delusional. He died raving. These are carefully researched facts. How do I know? Because it is true for me. So there.

        • GlibWog

          It is a very complex issue and question Once Born.
          He ( or anyone) would have to be evaluated by a professional. I will make it as simple as I can.
          Let’s say you have someone walking beside you and has a plastic bucket on their head with 2 different colored socks and he is talking to himself. One person may see that as the person being MI another may see it as Tues.
          There is a Manual.. Diagnostic and Statistical of Mental Disorders.. Each disorder has a set of Diagnostics which has a criteria.
          Let’s say one is depressed because of a break up or death. Doesn’t mean they are clinically depression. There is a cause and effect.
          It is the duration of the depression etc.
          There is just so much … Each state also has a criteria for whom will be admitted to say a Mental Health Center. For example in Ohio it is
          If the person is a threat to himself or others.

    • 0tessa

      It is the utter arrogance of the real criminal mind.

    • Jgg2012

      Thursday, 2pm EST: DOWNSTAT!

      • Sherbet

        Just thinking the same thing, Jgg.

        • Poison Ivy

          Does this mean that the dreaded “Down-Arrow Tech” has been abandoned as a technique for shattering suppression?

          • Mark

            Hai! You miss me, dleaded Daisuke Dao-Nah, yesterday! All part of fiendish Mistah Miscavige-san pran to confuse SPs! I in diffelent oliental Time Zone! All strats stlaight up & velticar!

            • Sherbet

              OK, dear, dear Mark, whom I love etc. etc. etc., since the subject of PC-ness has come up today, let me respectfully say that kind of parody should, maybe, um, be deep-sixed. Did I mention how much I respect and enjoy you? I do.

            • Mark

              Sorry Sherb. Been reading too many Fu Manchu thrillers…

            • Sherbet

              I thought you’d been watching Charlie Chan movies. Man, those would NEVER fly today, praise the Lord, although I’ve got to say, Charlie Chan at the Opera is a classic.

            • Mark

              There’s also the effect of Dr. Chou-en Ginsberg (M.A., failed), a sort of stock Bond-villain, as played by the late great Kenneth Williams in the BBC radio comedy show Round the Horne.
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9E4vnOU1Bc

            • GlibWog

              Really? or are you teasing.. ?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Since you seem to get a kick out of this, check out http://www.engrish.com for hours of laughs.

            • Studious Judious

              one of my favorite sites.

          • Minion Gayle

            Maybe Debbie Downer saw too much and did a runner? That would be pretty awesome.

          • Sherbet

            Oh, no! What WILL they think of next??

  • aquaclara

    “Arborcide” is an excellent headline word.

    My mother, a Clearwater (non-clam) resident, had a scrawny pine tree in the yard that was getting very, very tall. Branches would come down any time there was wind. The tree is a shallow-rooted tree, and all the more so in Florida, where the soil is all sand. She was worried that the tree would topple over onto the birdcage screening around the pool, since it was only about 3 or 4 feet away from the edge. Had it fallen the other way, it would have toppled into the neighbor’s yard/porch/pool.

    Because she didn’t want to pay the fine, which I think might have started at $800 before the current figure, and couldn’t get permission to remove the tree, she ended up waiting ten more years for the tree to die. She didn’t complain, because she likes trees, but this is an example of what good residents do. They LISTEN TO THE CITY, DON’T VIOLATE THE LAWS. and they PLANT MORE TREES. Which she did.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I loved that too, “Arborcide” Goes well with my new favorite “Clamicide”.

      Because Clamicide says it all.

      • aquaclara

        Yes!

  • richelieu jr

    They certainly killed more trees than this trying to foist their books on every library in the world.

  • Exterrier

    What a mealy mouthed wussypoo mayor they have there in Drainwater. Bet he got a little grease in his campaign fund, or a little skeleton rattled in his closet, so he’d ignore this. Maybe his nephew gets a security guard job on Sea Morgue avenue.

    • marti

      Perhaps. Or maybe he and his family have been fair gamed.

  • BosonStark

    Regarding Krusty’s fall in DWTS, any guy would collapse if he had a brontosaurus on top of him.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I am offended on behalf of the League of Extinction. The Brontosaurus can’t even fight back.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I am SO swiping this promo piece off of Mike Rinder’s blog today. This is a promo piece from one of scientology top sociopathic slimeball snakeoil salesman. He IS the Ideal Scientologist of today: 100% SnakeOil and will do Anything to sniff out, drill out, coerce out, and any methods innocent people can’t even imagine, to get money out of you and everyone you can trick into giving you money or assets

    Gavin Potter and this promo piece is Exhibit #32 that scientology is not in the quack therapy business anymore. It is a 100% Sales Organization who product is getting your money and the service is ways of getting more money from you. There IS no other product or service. But I have to say, this one takes the prize for it’s accidental honesty: (Yes, this is For Real)

    http://i43.tinypic.com/33y5jyt.png

    • Jvm3

      Oh, that is priceless. Up your ask! Drill! Drill! Drill!

    • Ruby

      Church, indeed…barf

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Here..if you must. Use Davey’s Golden Throne. Probably uses hundred dollar bills for toilet paper too.

        [http://i40.tinypic.com/s4uayo.jpg

    • pronoia

      Oh God. Just when you think they can’t become even more tone deaf. Do they really not have any idea that they are basically sending a violent “up yours” message with that one?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        You haven’t met Gavin Potter, have you.

        • pronoia

          No, and I don’t plan to!

    • Nevermore

      And up yours too, matey!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Ooops…and looks like he misspelled “assend” bwahahaha

      • Ruby

        Does that promo really state, “Expand your prospect pipeline” ?!?! Oh Lordy!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          and “recover lost income”. Maybe they’ll go to Greece or some other lost islands. It worked for Hubbard when he went to recover lost treasures from a past life. Oh wait..

    • Studious Judious

      Four simple steps to an easier close:
      1. create the Ideal Org strategy
      2. piss off all your congregation by reg’ing them to death to pay for Ideal Orgs
      3. buy ridiculously expensive buildings that you don’t need
      4. watch as the wogs laugh and the buildings close from bankruptcy
      simple

      Tech to recover lost income and expand your prospect pipeline:
      Sue the CoS for a refund, get a real job making at least minimum wage

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        What is SO despicable about this organization, aside from #1, Disconnection policy, is the stories you Don’t hear about much … daily life for a scientologist after they have been financially raped by a scientology vulture. I highly recommend an ongoing thread over at ESMB titled “Chicken Joe in the Cauldron” by poster Clamicide. This is just one story:

        http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?10631-Chicken-Joe-in-the-Cauldron&p=790488&viewfull=1#post790488

        And this one, though not directly financial related, but this is part of her written journey of recovering from the many mind traps of scientology. This one goes into what it was like as an auditor pulling “withholds” and why she assumed declared or disconnected people deserved it.

        http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?10631-Chicken-Joe-in-the-Cauldron&p=826923&viewfull=1#post826923

        And here’s her hair raising account of her job as a sec checker. She is an intellectual creative artist, currently working on theater as I understand it, but in scientology she naturally made an “art” of sec checking. Actually it sounds like she just cared a lot and listened well. I’ll warn ‘ya, you’ll get hooked on reading her stories…she spills the real deal, raw and wide open revolting.

        http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?10631-Chicken-Joe-in-the-Cauldron&p=789631&viewfull=1#post789631

        • Studious Judious

          thanks.

        • Studious Judious

          Ok, you were right, I’m hooked. Ya’ pusher!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        SJ, you have it all wrong. Here are the four simple steps:

        1. Create an Ideal Org strategy

        2. Raise money extensively for decades

        3. Have a grand opening that is not really a grand opening

        4. Raise money extensively for decades in order to have another grand opening that is not really a grand opening

        The cycle is fundraising-grand opening-fundraising-ad infinitum.

    • Mark

      This is getting beyond satire:

      • Jvm3

        “At the Dallas Morgue
        Admission is free
        Getting out, pricy”

        Nice work

      • sister wendy

        lol! much better

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      New OTVIII Grant Cardone hatted Gavin Potter on Grant’s new A3 sales triangle, a squirrel ripoff or the Founder’s ARC and KRC triangles. We in RTC don’t care so long as Grant pays us 10% and Gavin bends over Scientologists and “Ups their Ask” with a ferociousness usually seen only in prison showers.

      Back to sales champion and closer Grant Cardone:

      http://youtu.be/UM9eCbAb1L8

    • sister wendy

      I’m trying to get money for my dying mom back from the insurance company and the dippy home health care people who filled out all the forms incorrectly… I wonder if Gavin could help me achieve this? Oh, how I wish I was there.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I think my post got ate up. More and more states are creating a special Elders Advocacy group of some kind that may help with figuring out impossible to figure out insurance forms. I can’t make heads or tails out of most insurance forms anymore, and then the rules change so often or companies change their plans or insurance companies so often. Hope you get some help.

        • MadMaxi

          Went through this with my Dad last year before he passed. Let’s just say they will screw you anyway they can. Find an advocate through the League of Older Americans or sometimes through a hospice org, or geriatric doctor’s office. Good luck.

        • sister wendy

          I do too…I can’t believe how much people in this area of the industry lie…it’s incredible. They must be taking lessons from RTC is all I can think;)

  • Poison Ivy

    RE: The Daily News article. I wonder if they just responded to a Scientology press release in writing that piece? It is strange that they’d come up with it now, despite the fact that it’s not news and Tony O scooped them by six years.
    I just skimmed the comments over there and it looks like there are more than a few Scientology trolls pretending to be people in the neighborhood extolling the great “literacy programs” and the good Scientology will do for all. Geez. I wonder if that’s where the down-arrow brigade went today – over to the Daily News comment page?

    • Jvm3

      I always find it amusing to read pro-Scientology reactions and responses to negative articles. You will often hear something similar to “they’ve used this entire article to attack Scientology without ever mentioning what Scientology is, what it does and all the positive contributions it has made!” They come at it as though that’s how journalism is supposed to work. Like if you’re writing a critical piece, first you’re supposed to give a brief history, highlight some “successes” it has enjoyed, sprinkle in some positivity and only then can you swing your hatchet. It amounts to “the author could have been kind to us but wasn’t! Here’s how they could have written this article to make us look good…”

      • BananaSplits8

        “what it does and all the positive contributions it has made!”

        Like what?! The concept of inexistent empirical evidence is completely foreign to them and their audacity to justify delirious claims based on what they know seriously makes me wish they’d go go milk a bull.

  • Espiando

    Re: the Chicago Idle Morgue. Sindy’s right. This place was an utter dump in 2008, it was an utter dump when we Anons protested against zoning changes the cult wanted in 2009, and it’s been an utter dump every time I drive past it. I do drive past it on occasion just to have a look, and it’s become worse and worse. It’s now to the point where cockroaches refuse accommodation in it. It’s a beautiful old building that can be tonied up as the South Loop gentrification spreads westward (the only direction it can go in). You could put loft apartments in there that would go for $2500 a month, easily.

    In 2008, most of us Anons were expecting and were geared up for an Epic Battle. Instead, we got Dominic, Psycho Lady who tore the sign out of Strong Strength’s hands once, and a small bunch of guys who wear brown shoes with blue suits. The only two people with any balls in that org were Dave and Sindy. Frankly, baby seals put up more of a fight against Inuits with clubs than Chicago Scientologists do.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Okay, I thought I was Over it. Give me just one more day. Thank you for putting up with it.

    http://i43.tinypic.com/212tthk.jpg

    • Artoo45

      Love.

    • Sherbet

      This may be a duplicate (Disqus hiccup) post. What I said was I dedicate The Shoop Shoop Song to you, Observer, and Mark.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4KN6TFhy2I

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Betty Shoop! I rotate a collection of songs to do housework by and this was one of them. Time for an encore! Thanks

      • Mark

        Thanks, Sherbet.

      • aquaclara

        Gosh, this is great.

    • aquaclara

      A Fantam Book. You thought of everything!

    • joan nieman

      The two books is an excellent concept! You are good TheHoleDoesNotExist .

  • Spackle Motion

    Just saw that the Cult is selling a 20,000 sqft building in Boston:

    http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/real_estate/2013/08/around-the-region-aug-29-2013.html

    Are they buying a new Boston Ideal Morgue or is this a sign of a dying cult trying to liquidate assets?

    • Sherbet

      I didn’t know that. Let’s put Detective Howdy on the case.

    • zoxim

      They bought the Alexandra Hotel in 2008 with the usual grandiose claims of refurbishment. It’s been sitting there ever since. They bought the building next to it (the Ivory Bean building which had landmark status) and allowed it to fall into disrepair (bricks were falling off of it according to folks at WWP) and then demolished it. They claim that now that they’ve sold the building on Beacon St. they’ll go ahead and remodel. They were asking 12 million for that property but settled for 10. The Alexandra will supposedly take 17 million to refurbish so prepare for some serious regging in Bean Town!

    • edge

      How about that lurkers? Sure, they might have “lost” money based on the sale price of the building vs what they wanted, but since all of the money they used to buy the building in the first place came from church members, this sale is almost pure profit. So, if it wasn’t clear to you by now, the Ideal Orgs are a real estate SCAM!! Wake up!

      The only good news is that they wouldn’t sell the building unless they really needed the money. Maybe the Rathbun suit, the Garcia suit, the Narconon suits and others are all having an effect.

  • MagicJesus

    Lol….
    It looks like Kirstie has a whole volcano’s worth of body thetans hiding in that dress…

  • Jeb Burton

    Leah’s on Dancing with the Stars? I wonder if she had not left Scientology with tabloid headlines if she would of been asked to participate.Publishers have said she can name her price for a tell all book. Its been my theory that she would not do a sit down, tell all interview because of her alleged book deal. I was told that she was too upset after a lifetime of being in Scientology, and it was too much stress for her to tell her story and she would not try to cash in on her story. Still no tell all interview, and she appears to be cashing in on her recent celebrity. I mean, what has she done in the last 5 years besides leaving the cult? She is a scientologist and we know what they are all about, money.

    • Zer0

      She’s an ex-scientologist

      • Jeb Burton

        Is she? i havent heard her denounce LRH.

        • Zer0

          Yes, what doubt could you have?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Zer0, is this a new handle? Or a recycle?

            • Espiando

              Or a declaration of IQ?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You are so bad, E.
              Must be why I adore you.
              If I go to Chicago, I am looking Sindy and YOU both up!

              Edit: and I know you can tell me if stuff is safe to eat!

    • MadMaxi

      Considering she just left the cult, I would think she is being wise and is just now starting to get over the shock. Seems like many ex’s need some real time to adjust, decompress, deprogram and get over the mental mindf**k before really going public. So I, personally, say give her time to heal. Most that have been in abusive relationships, cults or dangerous situations for a long time need at least a year or two to feel safe enough and mentally/emotionally capable to even delve into the overt and covert horrors of what they lived, or learn the truth about post escape. Be patient and empathetic, in time she may decide to open up and tell all. IN the meantime the fear Diminutive Midget feels of an ex Sea Org, celebrity’s inside knowledge being made public will be another dripping water torture to his paranoid head.

      • Sandy

        Yes, MM – I heard on TV today she has been asked many times in the past to be on DWTS, but this is the 1st time she accepted. Baby steps ….And as PI stated, it is not really a high paying gig anyway

      • Jeb Burton

        Come on. She wasnt a sea org member who went through years of physcial and mental abuse. She was a celebrity who had her every whim catered to. Would an abused member ask DM where his wife was? Please, she wasnt locked up and had to plan her escape for years and then was left with nothing but the shirt on her back when she left, like many of the poor saps.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          That’s like saying certain military soldiers who return from Afghanistan or Iraq must meet certain requirements before they can be diagnosed with PTSD, said requirements including whether they felt abused enough, or were shocked enough, or suffered enough, or if they had returned to a nice cushy home and life. And even then, had to recover from PTSD in a certain exact time limit based on how well they were treated while on mission.

          Your criteria just doesn’t pass the test and you have no real knowledge of what Leah Remini went through all these decades as a scientologist.

          • Jeb Burton

            Please. Dont ever compare a scion to a true hero. You are disgusting. And I saw how Leah treated Sweeney. She is not a nice person.

            • MadMaxi

              As a Army vet, I find no problem or offense with THDNE’s analogy. In fact I find it spot on.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You are disgusting
              Jeb. You are an Asshole!
              End of Line.

            • sugarplumfairy

              And you would know.. How dare you say that to THDNE.. She’s has more brains, heart and soul in her baby toe than you have in your entire big fat head.. Grow some sense, Jeb..

            • TonyOrtega

              It’s like you’re not even trying anymore, Jeb…

              Sweeney’s tweet, July 17: “Leah Remini…sweetest of #Scientology celebs who hated me in 2007”

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              See Tony?
              You are nicer than your minion’s.
              I was gonna say that Sweeney liked her…but then I did that whole “consider your audience thing” and realized that Jeb is just an Ass hat.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Oh please, you jackass. Hole is consistently one of the best, most articulate posters we have here. We are all fortunate to be able to communicate with her. She knows of what she speaks.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Thanks L. Wrong!
              got yer SIX! And Holes!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks, Jeb. Glad I came back before shutting down. You brought out some amazing compliments and I might have missed them. I am going to bed feeling very very cool!!

              Just for the record in case there are any vets lurking here, I haved worked and still do to a lesser degree, with vets from current missions all the way back to World War II. That’s right, WW!!. I have never and would never compare vets to Anyone else because they are each and every one unique.

              Of course I was comparing what you believe are requirements for certain conditions as a person who has endured a lifelong environment under a controlling, totalitarian group that uses abusive methods that comes in many shapes and forms. I am the first out the gate to rail against scientology celebs who today keep shilling because of the fact that I know they have had to seen literally thousands disappear, or known at least a few that have been destroyed in some fashion. But neither of us know what she personally has gone through all these years and what she needs or how long it will take for her to recover and how she will move forward once she does. THat is Personal, as personal as it gets. And if you think war vets are the only people who have gone through hell for a humanitarian cause….sorry, you get the eject buzzer twice.

            • Jeb Burton

              I was too harsh. Sorry,. I just think that the horrors that vets go through can not be compared to the cult. Thank you for your work with vets.

        • Zer0

          Wait – you’re OSA, right?

          • Espiando

            No, he’s Jeb. Jeb has his own rather unique set of standards. But, hey, he does contribute, and he doesn’t afraid of Downvote Tech, so he’s welcome here.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              yep, gives me some one to argue with if the mood strikes.

        • sister wendy

          It’s very weird to have been so sheltered and then come out. You feel like you were lied to, and don’t know who to trust and don’t if anything that you did amounted to anything at all. You don’t know where the lies started and stopped. That takes some time to sort. It’s hideously embarrassing to realize all the times you talked to other people and were a spokesperson to get people in that you pretty much were felt sorry for or were the laughing stock of a group of friends. There wasn’t the abuse, but there is a lot of mind fuck, and it takes some time figure out where your head is. You also feel like shit that you were fooled and that at whatever level they were using you for a poster child while doing shit to other people. You also realize that all the SO and staff people were mostly 1.1 and really only pretending you were special to try and get money or some other service. So lighten up because she wasn’t a Ex SO please. It isn’t only SO who suffered and got a bad deal.

          • MadMaxi

            I thought she was SO when she was a teen for a while with her sister, but then they both left due the BS?

            • Robert Eckert

              That’s correct.

            • MadMaxi

              Thank you, Robert, didn’t think I had imagined that fact.

            • sister wendy

              I’m not sure…I just feel a strong pull to stick up for artists one and all…regardless of status…or even fatness..in most cases anyway;)

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            That’s powerful stuff Sis, thanks.

            • sister wendy

              thank you

        • Zer0

          Well he seems to be denying that there was any brainwashing that Leah had to break out of, like it was no big deal- that’s revisionism

        • sugarplumfairy

          She was a sea org member.. She became a celebrity later, but she grew up in co$.. Are you as judgmental as you come across?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Yes, he is!

            • sugarplumfairy

              I though I was the queen of jugmentalness..

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You have competition!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              JUGmentalness? Is that going crazy for a good set of jugs?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. oops.. I meant to do that..

        • Robert Eckert

          “She wasnt a sea org member who went through years of physcial and mental abuse” Yes, she was. If you are going to be so opinionated try to be at least slightly educated about the facts of the case.

    • villagedianne

      Celebs do a lot of things for money and exposure. But leaving COS isn’t one of them. Disconnection, having the cult reveal your secrets, having to admit how bamboozled you were, there’s just too much downside.
      If she can get money and exposure from leaving COS, I for one am OK with it.

      • Jeb Burton

        So am I. Marty, Mike and whole lot of others have benefited financially from leaving. Just dont tell me they are wonderful people or heroes because they blew.

        • Zer0

          It would be more accurate to say that by leaving, they ceased being financially harmed. Absence of the negative does not constitute a positive.

          • Espiando

            Except to a Scientologist. Remember that one of the first steps on the Bridge To Nowhere is ARC Straightwire, and the EP of that is “PC knows he is not going to get any worse”.

    • Jeb Burton

      Good night everyone. Headed to the local bar to watch some college football and knock back a few. Peace and love to everybody.

      • Sherbet

        Goodnight, Jeb.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The Talk. Google it.

      Also, Leah is a working actress. She is more than just she-who-demanded-the-return-of-Shelly.

  • Sherbet

    Mmmmkay…this is my last theetiest-weetiest Goody Two-Shoesiest sermon on PCness. IN MY OPINION, I don’t think the Bunker needs pacts or rules. If something offends you, be confident enough to speak up, but recognize that the offensive postings may not stop. That’s life. Conversely, if you think it’s clever to poke fun at DM’s shortcomings (see what I did there??) or any other scn’s personal quirks, go ahead and do it, but know that it may be bothering someone. The idea is not to be silently resentful or angry with one another. Free speech in the Bunker! Then we can all get along, as we always do. And, when you think of it, we really DO get along remarkably well for a whole bunch of strangers with differing opinions, histories, and ideas of what’s fair or sensible or proper. We’re united in one thing: watching scientology fall apart. That’s the focus for me.

    Mwah! Group hug!

    • sister wendy

      I agree….say something or not, it’s sure to offend someone at some time. However, I do think it’s good that people step up and say something if it does bother them, it increases awareness for those of us who call Krusty a fat cow. My sister in law steps up every time to say what bothers her, and we try to accommodate. But the result is that none of us can laugh anymore and we feel like we are walking on eggshells. So there’s that….Sometimes with humor, you gotta try it on to see if it works. Usually it’s offensive to someone anyway. Now we know why all the Sci-bot skits we’ve seen are so dull…

      • sugarplumfairy

        I know.. I hate it when we call kirstie a fat cow.. Very insulting to fat cows..

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          You crack me up.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I’d like to say “rimshot”, but Espiando might take that the wrong way.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            NOW THAT…WAS FUCKIN FUNNY!!!

          • Espiando

            The imagery…do you really want to prove Hubtard right about engrams? Because I think you’ve given me a whole bunch of them.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Mission complete.

        • sister wendy

          I have a hope that you could wave your magic wand and all her problems would melt away- wouldn’t that be a nice magic story? We’d all be amazed. She could be nice instead of the person she actually is. Do you have a wand Sugarplum?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Ok, group hug….But I have been MIA. What did I miss?
      Was there a good pissing match?

      • Sherbet

        Hey! There you are. There was a “to be PC or not to be” debate whether it was fair to poke fun at Kirstie’s weight and DM’s height. That’s all.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Oh. That again.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I always say, anything goes AS LONG AS IT IS FUNNY. Mean stuff that is just mean doesn’t really fly with me.

      • Espiando

        Some fatty got offended that someone else brought up the most salient visual cue of the identity of Moby Alley. Then some midgets got ticked about bringing up The Dark Lord Chuckles The Silly Piggy’s nix verticalness. So now some thick-skulled, overly-fertile Aussie bitch is going to call me a good-for-nothing queeny queer for calling someone a fatty and a midget. Then this post will get down-voted by some humorless PC assclowns, who we all know that they’re secret, unrepentant Scilons and they won’t even get credit for it because it’s after 2PM except in Hawaii

        In other words, just your typical day at the Bunker and yet another reminder that sometimes our dysfunctional family follows a script written by Edward Albee.

        • Sherbet

          You put it all into perspective, Espiando!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          That last sentence made me LOL.
          Your favorite thing! But you did it!

        • Zer0

          I’m 6’4″ and athletic, and I posted against the fat and short jokes

          • Espiando

            Normally, when someone says he’s 6’4″ and athletic on the Net, that means he’s 4’6″ and the athletic activity is bowling, due to the fact that he’s shaped like the ball. But let’s just say you are. That puts you in the “humorless assclown” category, since my post just flew over your head. Admittedly, that’s not too difficult when your head is located in a certain bodily orifice.

            • Zer0

              Aha, you must be a chanology lulzfag

            • Espiando

              Damn skippy. And you know how we feel about moralfags like you.

            • Zer0

              Yes we do, {sniff}

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I like lulz. And I am highly moral.

            • Zer0

              That’s impossible!! {}

            • Sherbet

              Aw, jeez, Espiando. Zer0, pay no attention to the resident curmudgeon.

            • Zer0

              No need for concern – tallness brings with it a certain noblesse oblige, I am tolerant and charitable, and incredibly modest

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              HAHA. Is E old enough to be a curmudgeon?
              Actually…is there an age requirement?
              I am so confused.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I was a curmudgeon in grade school and have been slowly working my way out.

            • Sherbet

              Maybe he’s on the Bridge to Curmudgeonliness?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Best line of the day. Cheers.

            • Espiando

              What’s the OT level on the Bridge To Curmudgeonliness where the EP is Cause Over Everything? Because that’s where Marty says I am.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oh…You said Marty.
              Must go finish his Warrior book…..
              yes I am reading it.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          What? WHAT? I ran that through a translator and ended up with:
          為什麼我們不能只是相處.

          • Sherbet

            You took the words right out of my mouth, 3D.

          • Once_Born

            That’s easy for you to say…

          • Espiando

            Quoting Lodney King again?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Rats right, Reorge!

        • monkeyknickers

          I think, as a spicy Aussie, you might enjoy this brother Aussie and his irreverent awesomely fucked up outlook on life:

          http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html

          Australians are really funny. And . . . . good looking. (I just threw that in as an asskissing kinda thing. :))

          Also – Chris Lilley is my new fave comedian-y person ever.

    • Captain Howdy

      I stopped making fat jokes a while back because of Theta’s comments here and elsewhere, but that was my choice and I’m not remotely PC unless it comes to animals and the environment. I really have to stifle myself around here sometimes but I do for group harmony as well as not getting shown the door.

      And I’m babbling…

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I love harmonizing, Cap’n and you come up with some great humdingers. Oooh, that made me groan too.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I like it when you babble!

        • Captain Howdy

          I need to hit the packie before I start babbling bats!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            We will wait!

      • Sherbet

        That’s why we can’t have rules. Say, or not say, or put a sock in it, or babble on. We have to have a safe place to do our babbling. And don’t you dare go out that door, Howdy, or we’re gonna have to come and find you.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I LIKE being in a room full of grownups. Don’t necessarily like all the comments, but that’s the cost of social intercourse.

          • Espiando

            Usually, social intercourse on the Net runs $20 for use of hands only, $50 for oral (via Skype), and $100 if you want to use all three USB inputs.

            • Zer0

              You are paying too much, Espiando

            • Espiando

              Well, I’m only 6′ even and have two shot knees, a bum ankle, and a bad back. We all can’t be 4’6″ and spherical like you.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I am 5’8″ and sort of oval shaped? Does that count?
              Edit: Back is good but the left knee has a few issues.

            • Espiando

              Hips don’t lie, BTN.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              My hips still work! And they know when to shut the fuck up!

            • Zer0

              I’m sure your hips speak only the truth

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oh my hips can talk. But I put duct tape over their blow hole.
              They got nothing!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Actually, my Hips were thinking a nice trip to Canada may be refreshing! It is the right time of year.

          • Sherbet

            You’re right, Dcubed.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        How can we tell…?

      • Eclipse-girl

        yeah but you still make short jokes (Sarcasm 😉 )

        That was for calling me a spinner.

  • media_lush

    I’ve noticed over the few days that a lot of the media outlets that use the stuff from his PR companies have been putting out a similar story…. basically that Tommy Girl is looking for a new home [London, Hawaii and now New Zealand] all with the theme that the main reason being “longer” visits for Suri with the emphasis being “away from the prying media”. Nothing unusual you might say…. but then if you look at some of the other planted stories that “Scientology might be stalking Katie” using paps there might be ulterior motives afoot.

    When it comes to Cruise’s ‘official’ PR output the first thing I try and see if there is some kind of scion damage control angle; this looks the opposite and might be used as some kind of play to try and take full custody [I find this hard to believe given we have yet to see a photo of him with his daughter for over a year now] but when it comes to him and his beliefs I feel anything could happen….. anyway, there seems to be some strange groundwork being laid here…..

    • tetloj

      Very weird. Average reader obvioiusly doesn’t think that if he doesn’t have custody it doesn’t make sense for him to be buying accommodation

    • sister wendy

      Hmmm….now I’ve heard from a nameless trustworthy source inside on the other side of the pond that TC has actually been making visits (secretly) to Suri and that no one is talking about it and he’s keeping it hidden because of the disconnection policy that is in fact, in place for her and Katie. He can’t say he’s going and he can’t be seen with her publicly because it will piss everyone else off who’s had to be disconnected. I have no idea how this could be kept secret, but we do know that he has his own entourage and ways of transport…but my source says he has been seeing her. Anyone else heard this?

      • tetloj

        If this is true he needs to grow a Remini-sized pair of balls and announce he won’t let these clowns tell him who he can and can’t talk to. Hmmm….the mindfuck runs deep with this one. Maybe he seekritly reads the Bunker as well. Hi Tombo.

        • Zer0

          And he should answer Tony’s Open Letters

          • sister wendy

            yes! He should!

        • sister wendy

          I have to remember that…”the mf runs deep with this one”- still laughing. But my friend swears this is true about the visits…

      • media_lush

        What’s interesting is that the huge court case he has going is that In Touch magazine and others said has has “abandoned” his daughter…. it’ll be interesting to see how that one plays out given what you’ve written above.

        My feeling is that where there’s money to be made from a pap shot there’s money to be made from a pap shot….. we have not seen a photo of him with Suri for over a year [the planted story of him and Suri in the woods in upstate NY clearly shows a much younger Suri] and you can bet that if Suri was really in this 5 star hotel with him then someone would have got a shot…. I mean did she stay in her room all that time during all those supposed visits? You have to remember that he was always happy to be seen with his daughter in public without Katie [DisneyLand pool shots for example]. If I was an editor the easiest thing in the world for me to find out would be if Suri turned up to the hotel or not….. can you imagine the amount of hotel staff that could corroborate the story…..

        • MadMaxi

          Was it not in the divorce agreement that Tom could not be alone with Suri? That a rep for Katie had to be there to insure Suri didn’t get any Scientology influence or be exposed to lies about her Mom like Nichole was?

          • Zer0

            Yes it was, Tom was nailed with a waterproof divorce settlement that had been planned in secret for months by a team of prominent lawyers. His money and waning power are irrelevant. Suri is safe and secure, and protected from scientology.

            • sister wendy

              but- that is what the public knows, right? It doesn’t have to be the only agreement…I’m not trying to stir shit, it was just what I heard. And it was while he was filming in or near the UK. It wasn’t recently. It was right after their divorce that my friend told me this.

        • sister wendy

          the message that I got was that he was secretly visiting in and out- she wasn’t necessarily moving at all….

  • sister wendy

    Is this offensive? I hope not. I really want KA to do a dance show with these two- the Herzbuben. I’ve seen them dance, and it’s just like you might imagine. It would do wonders for her internationally http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Ag44R7uTI

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      But that’s not dancing! What do they dance, Polka? I love Polka’s. Grew up with Irish Pubs on one block and German/Polish beer gardens down the other.

      Now….Here’s some mighty fine dancing

      http://youtu.be/IhJQp-q1Y1s

      • sister wendy

        During a tour once, I was in a hotel room and ran across these two on the German Folks Musik version of DWTS. These guys were staring and they sort of twirled in slow circles while slim dancers cavorted round them. I could find that clip- in fact there appear to be no clips of them actually dancing, because it’s a shame. They would really match KA.

    • Espiando

      If this is aversion therapy for me to cease my bear hunting, it may be working.

      • sister wendy

        I think it’s an aversion therapy for a lot of things

    • Sherbet

      I want to see Miley Cyrus twerk with them.

      • Espiando

        I want to see them spit-roast Justin Bieber.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Me too. I will bring the Propane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Espiando

            Uh, BTN…I don’t know how to put this politely, but…well, in the gay community, spit-roasting normally does not involve a barbeque.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I do NOT want to know E.
              Just color me a dork and don’t tell me nothing!!!

              Edit: but promise me the little turd wont like it?

            • Sherbet

              I can’t forgive Ellen DeGeneres for liking Bieber so much. I love Ellen and hoped she had better taste.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              This is wHY I don’t watch TV!!! I always liked Ellen? she is a Beiber appolgist?
              SHAME!!!!!

            • Sherbet

              I believe she used to love him like a little brother. I don’t know how she feels about his blatant douchebaggery. (I hate using that word, but it really fits here.)

            • Captain Howdy

              Ellen is a lesbian spokesperson who apparently sees nothing wrong with using hunky shirtless heteros to sell her product,,her.

        • Captain Howdy
      • Captain Howdy

        I find Miley Cyrus offensive. Just looking at her makes me wanna go Heaven’s Gate on myself.

        • Zer0

          She is certainly not sexy, when she tries to be. Her body kinesiology isn’t erotic, it’s vulgar, like a construction worker grabbing his balls to impress a lady.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Yeah. it is like she is play acting at something she doesn’t quite get…

            • Sherbet

              And the tongue thing is so stupid even Gene Simmons is saying, “Ew! Cut it out, willya?!”

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I missed the live version, but I did see the pics. She looks like a Eunuch or an elf or something trying to be erotic. it is just weird!

            • Sherbet

              I don’t get it, but, then again, I’m old. The girl makes millions, so somebody’s buying what she’s selling.

        • Sherbet

          She is pretty useless, isn’t she…

          • Captain Howdy

            “She does stink and she should quit. But I don’t want it
            to be because of me. It should be the traditional route; years of
            rejections and failures till she’s spit out the bottom of the porn
            industry.”

            • Sherbet

              And that is from…?

            • Captain Howdy

              When all else fails ask yourself “What would Larry David say?”. It’s from Seinfeld.

            • Sherbet

              Oooh. Sad to say, I was not a big fan of Seinfeld. No real reason; just seldom watched it. Curb Your Enthusiasm — now, that’s funny.

            • Captain Howdy

              Not a fan of the Greatest TV show of all-time? Hmmm… I’m going to have to monitor you more closely.

            • marti

              No soup for her.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You know, I loved that show. But I did not find Jerry funny. (at all)
              Everybody else was fucking hilarious!

            • Captain Howdy

              And?…Jerry was the straight man and everybody else were the comedians.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              but he sucked at it!

            • Sherbet

              Kramer and the damn door. Enough, already.

            • Captain Howdy

              Think about it Sherb, how many things from “Seinfeld” are now part of the everyday vernacular? No other TV show comes close.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              True.

            • Sherbet

              It was one of those shows that I liked when I caught it, but I just don’t have the “must-see TV” gene in me. But you’re right, there’s no denying it was a classic.

            • Sherbet

              Over and out, space cadets. I’m going to go read. A book. With pages.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I am right behind ya, sherb.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Pictures or words?

            • marti

              Sein language.

            • marti

              Aretha Celeste Bovary Mulva Gipple Loleola Dolores

            • Espiando

              If you include the movies, Python beats Seinfeld.

            • Captain Howdy

              True, but if you factor in the movies you have to handicap MP because they were uncensored compared to Seinfeld.

            • Espiando

              Holy Grail by itself beats Seinfeld. In fact, I only know three phrases that entered the common lexicon from Seinfeld: “No soup for you”, “master of my domain”, and “not that there’s anything wrong with that”.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Shrinkage. Man hands. It’s European. Tag team to Howdy. Go!

            • Espiando

              Never heard of any of those. And since I’ve never watched an episode of Seinfeld, I’m a pretty good judge vis-a-vis the societal zeitgeist on what was exported from there.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Oh well, I guess those haven’t made their way into the bear vernacular.

            • Espiando

              They haven’t made it into the American vernacular.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              He got U!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I just Lost my Shiz L…

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Am I distracting you from your Warrior? Good.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              My Warrior?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yeah, reading Sharty’s book.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              yeah…Oh hush.
              The worst part is my enjoyment of it!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Shrinkage is definitely a keeper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Not for a man!

            • Captain Howdy

              “re-gifter”, “double dipper”, “yada yada yada” and I could go on and on.

              EDIT; “high talker” “low talker” “sideler” etc etc etc

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oh my god..the double dipper is really messing with my Mexican food consumption!!!

            • Espiando

              Never heard the first, the second was common Chicago vernacular regarding patronage employees holding more than one no-show job before Seinfeld was born (the person, not the show), the third was also common before Seinfeld. You’ll need to go on.

            • Jvm3

              What’s your counter? What are the Grail quotes in common vernacular?

            • Espiando

              “Run away, run away”, “African swallow or European swallow?”, and any line from Cleese’s speech as the French guard, for starters.

            • Jvm3

              I’d say those are definitely popular quotes that people repeat. Not that they’ve been weaved into the vernacular of common conversation, as a few of the Seinfeld phrases have.

            • Espiando

              Neither I nor anyone I know has ever weaved any phrase from Seinfeld into the vernacular of common conversation. However, virtually everyone I know has weaved quotes from Python, most often Holy Grail, into common conversation. And they were totally understood by all who participated in said conversation.

              Then again, we in Chicago hate anything dealing with New York.

            • Zer0

              Yada yada yada (from ORD)

            • Espiando

              And ORD is probably all you know about Chicago.

            • Zer0

              Except for the cool stuff

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Wow! And I thought we were dorks.

            • Anonymookme

              But are we sponge worthy?

            • Zer0

              LOL, that is hysterical:)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              the BRO.
              Nuff said

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              No, the manzeer.

            • Jvm3

              Another one I hear from time to time is pulling a “George Constanza” in reference to quitting while you’re ahead.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Or a Costanza wallet.

            • Espiando

              Never heard it used in that context.

            • Nevermore

              I know I’m coming to this late, but apart from the fact that it’s ‘woven’, not ‘weaved’, Espiando has a point. Sorry, I am a secret grammar nazi. Where I live, so much Python stuff has become part of the language that all you have to do is mention The Spanish Inquisition, and you suddenly learn that the strangers sitting at the next table can repeat the whole sketch at the drop of a hat (or a Cardinal’s biretta)!

            • marti

              Oh. That’s what they were saying.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Newwwwman..

            • Robert Eckert

              Yadda yadda yadda…

            • Jvm3

              Have you seen Larry David on Seinfelds Comedians in Cars show? The banter is like a Seinfeld episode happening in real life. Truly great

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Fav episodes so far are Michael Richards, the French guy(sorry French guy, I forgot your name) and the one with Carl Reiner AND Mel Brooks.

            • Jvm3

              Yeah Richards is a fav for sure. I liked the Larry David and Alec Baldwin ones the best probably. Baldwins stories were great, even if he came off as a little rude to that waitress.

            • Sherbet

              Hey, everyone has at least one dark secret, OK?

            • Anonymookme

              Not that there’s anything wrong with that

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              yeah, well,…she is no Traci Lords!

            • Captain Howdy

              Bah! I could show you a 100 European porn stars that are hotter than Traci.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Not want!!!!

      • sugarplumfairy

        Lol..

      • sister wendy

        this makes the mind reel…

    • Captain Howdy

      At first I thought it was SCTV and John Candy. The Krauts love their schmaltz but they’ll never top the Ruskies and Trololo Man.

      • Zer0

        Me too! I was thinking SCTV

      • sister wendy

        the Trololo guy was great. I don’t know the Ruskies. These guys are some of the most popular Schlagermusikers in the land. They would give John Candy a run for the money. Or maybe a run for his candy

    • Sherbet

      “Welcome to a very special evening, hosted by Captain Kangaroo and Luciano Pavarotti.”

      • sister wendy

        hahaha- totally!

  • no_srsly

    interesting….just went to CeleBuzz to read what they wrote about Leah joining DWTS. After a few seconds, a popup ad came up at the bottom of Leah’s pic…and it was this: Coincidence? Don’t think so!Who are Scientologists?Scientology.orgYou’ve heard the controversy. Now Get The Facts. Watch Online Video

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      oh vey…they are starting to figure out that internet thingy.
      BTW…who are you? I love that AV!!!

      I am getting a whole Lady Gaga vibe!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Oh no, she sells a vibe now? Har har har.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Smart aleck!!!!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            You set it up, I knock it down. I looked old for a 13 year old huh? 😉

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              hehe

      • no_srsly

        lol They won’t get to cash in on my lip-bling! Sorry Sooper-Powder-Bilding! I’m just a lurker-from-afar, but enjoy the posts and opinions so much….I popped out of lurkdom for a time. Never in…but support those who came out. Peace.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Well, we like you and your lip bling. Please come again!

          • no_srsly

            thank you!
            Signed, A Proud SP

        • Sherbet

          Bring the bling and visit again.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          First sec check question: Have you ever illegally traded diamonds?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            OK, I just lost IT!!!!!

          • no_srsly

            just the one in my mouth 😉

      • Espiando

        Do you know what my line of thought was when I saw that avatar? “Yeah, I know, Frank N. Furter is supposed to be played by a man, but if any woman could pull it off, it’d be Rihanna…”

  • media_lush
    • Zer0

      .

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Did you say NUTs?
        how can I be of service?

        • Zer0

          LOL. I thought he posted an image and I couldn’t see it. nevermind:)

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            HA! He DID post an image. Go ahead, refresh, you know you want to.

            • Zer0

              Nuts!! No, I’m not going to!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Shall I twist your arm? Not missing anything really. Just some lame headline about some yutes “vandalizing” St. Hill.

            • Zer0

              Thank you for sparing me the refresh (bows) gassho

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I’ve been called many things, but never a gassho. I AM pretty gassy most of the time though, so it fits.

            • Zer0

              gassho:

              A ritual gesture of Eastern origin, with hands pressed together in front of the chest. It can be used for prayer or as a sign of greeting, gratitude, reverence

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Most appreciated. I thought you were going for “grasshopper” and missed a few letters! Lol!

            • marti

              Two yutes.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Precisely!

            • Robert Eckert
            • Bury_The_Nuts

              u said nuts! u called me…

    • Espiando

      “Unscrewed a lightbulb from a wall plaque at threw it at a street sign”? It’s now official: the Brits are pussies.

      • media_lush

        pretty much the best record in warfare since the beginning of modern history….. pussies?

        nah, what’s interesting is that such a non-story made it’s way to the local paper…. either there’s a scion on the paper or a Grinstead OSAbot hassling the hell out of the editor to make sure it goes in…. obviously as a tactic from their….. er…. old tactics book

        • Espiando

          They lost to us. Twice. And haven’t dared to fight us since. Enough said.

          Agreed with you on the fact that it’s a non-story. Or it’s so goddamn boring in East Grinstead that this action amounts to a crime wave worthy of Mister Alfonse himself.

          • media_lush

            us? we were fighting amongst ourselves [note you speak English….. not American]

            • Espiando

              I speak and write American English, as codified first by one Mister Noah Webster, not by Samuel Johnson and his bitch-boy Boswell.

            • media_lush

              aaaah, American English the strange self-inflicted oxymoron of the chip-on-his shoulder colonist. I speak English and often ask questions, not ax them

            • Espiando

              The only time you have a reaction to anything in English is when the name of a celebutard is mentioned. At all other times, you’re catatonic, and possibly anencephalic.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Is your doctor adjusting your meds?

            • media_lush

              hmmm, poor riposte

              most Brits regard Americans, Aussies, Kiwis, South Africans etc as our bastard children who left home [often kicked out] and made mainly good [sometimes bad] to certain extents. whatever else you say you can’t deny source and elders. Queen Victoria was Queen to over half the population of the world at one point [bigger than the Romans, Genghis etc]….. bow before our gentlemanly supioriossityness and bide your comment manners!

            • Espiando

              Funny, but my family didn’t come from Britain. Given my research, about half of them came from what is now Polish-occupied Prussia, and the other half came from what is now Polish-occupied Poland and should-be-Polish-occupied Ukraine but was then chock full of Russians. So I come from a long line of bastards and assholes without any British involvement whatsoever.

            • media_lush

              aaaah yes, but you’re commentating in English…. as I said before, you’re welcome

            • Espiando

              But the people I should thank for my language lived in what is now northern Germany and the Netherlands. So, thank you, people of Saxony and Frisia.

            • media_lush

              if you speak Dutch or German or were commentating in that language [an obvious moot point] than I’m sure they would appreciate your thanks…. but you’re not…..


























              PS …. you’re welcome

            • Espiando

              Danke sehr, die Leute von Saxe und Frisia. Und gehen Sie ficken sich.

            • marti

              Translation: I don’t know why I keep opening my pie hole cuz nothing important is actually being said. I just like hearing myself spout gibberish.

            • media_lush

              oh, well …. telling me to go fuck myself

              I’ll put that down as a win for me then, lulz

            • sugarplumfairy

              That’s no excuse, mister.. BREAK THE CHAIN,

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              How well do you do with lightbulbs? We might be able to scientifically quantify your exact genetic lineage. Or some shit like that.

            • Espiando

              Do you believe in nature or nurture? My genetic mother’s grandfather came from Austria, which brings a whole new factor of Germanity into the equation.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Tht downvote came from me.. Didn’t want you to think media did it..

            • Espiando

              Nah, go for it if you feel you need to.

            • sugarplumfairy

              You need an ice cold glass of bubbly and a hot bubble bath.. It always takes th edge off for me..

            • Espiando

              I really should have been asleep two hours ago, actually.

            • Zer0

              Agreed.

            • Espiando

              I told you to go make me a sammich. Go.

            • marti

              Really?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Get to bed, young man.. And when you come down for breakfast tomorrow, I better see a new attitude.. And make your own dammmm sammich.. What’r’ya, crippled?

            • media_lush

              “I speak and write American English”…

              you’re welcome

            • Guest

              “I speak and write American English”

              you’re welcome

          • Zer0

            Brits spend less than 10% of what we do on their military, and it’s been that way for decades. What’s your point.

            • Espiando

              The point is fuck you. Now go in the kitchen and make me a sammich.

            • marti

              A knuckle sandwich.

            • Zer0

              My point is only that you call out the brits, and then bolster your argument by saying they haven’t “fought” the militaryindustrial complex that is USA, which would be stupid in the first place

            • Espiando

              No, I called them pussies, not cowards. There’s a difference. You’re not a coward, for instance.

            • Zer0

              I realized my error and edited it only seconds before you posted, my mistake

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              standing between u…. cuz I am Loving both!!!!

          • Robert Eckert

            War of 1812 ended on an American win, but in the meantime we got the President’s house burned down (it started to be called the White House only after that, because we had to repaint it to cover the scorch marks).

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVC677-YmfM

        • Jvm3

          Best record in warfare up until Mel Gibson figured out how to beat them. Send away your cavalry like thy are frightened, shields up on arrow volley, wait for the charge… Pikes up!

  • 4of 5gens

    Hi I need to tell you all thank you even tho you probably think I should have a tinfoil hat how much I appreciate your words. Please forgive my lack of punctuation cuz I’m really really really new at this. N I’m scared n heart pounding n crying while I type on a kindle. I am 4th of 5 generations these monsters have tortured to death. None of us were ever “in” we all are or were Catholic. There are three of us left. They murdered my brother Mark in 1977. Special shout out to Derek, so glad you made it out alive. Love you!

    • Jvm3

      I’m sorry, but how have your kin had 5 generations in ~60 years?

    • Espiando

      Are you from Nigeria, and do you wish to deposit $15 million in my bank account to keep it safe from Boko Haram?

      • marti

        Ho Hum. Yawwwwn

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Noticed you thank Derek the other night too. Please explain more of your story for us.

      • 4of 5gens

        Hi I try but first message I got was something about Nigeria n I shut down easily. Which I guess is what they want. Derek, he reminded me of my daughter, cept she’s 28 now

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Don’t mind Espi. He can be abrasive some times. As a group we also tend to be wary of new folk sometimes because of “trolls” and troublemakers. Here’s to hoping you are legit. What’s your story? I remember your other post also mentioning being inspired by Derek.

          • 4of 5gens

            I know, that’s one of the things that makes free speech so difficult, try it n u get called Looney tune or worse. I’m not crazy, or troll. Just isolated n scared. I guess the pod people call it “disconnected”. I guess I thought if this young man can free speech, maybe I can try, too

            • Jvm3

              If you were never in, your entire family is Catholic, how did your family come to be targeted by these monsters? Why are you so isolated?

            • 4of 5gens

              We were targeted because my family had money. I am isolated because they keep coming at me. N tell esperwhatever that I have been called worse

            • Jvm3

              So your family had money and then were tortured to death for said money? By Scientologists?

            • 4of 5gens

              I’ve been lurking a long time, only got brave nuf to msg cuz of dbloch, please forgive my um’s n uh’s. That’s correct but I’m not dead yet, live on a sailboat in south Florida. Lived in Pinellas county from September 1980 til April 2006

            • Jvm3

              I’m sorry to grill you but your story demands questions. If your daughter is 28, she must have been born in 1985 or 1986. Placing even a minimum age estimate that you could have fathered a child, you must have been born by AT LEAST 1960. Dianetics was published in 1950, and Scientology was not even a structured organization until 1952. So if you’re in the 4th of 5 generations, your father/mother, or grandfather/grandmother, great grandfather/mother were targeted or somehow involved? In those early 10 years?

            • 4of 5gens

              Sorry, to clarify. I was born 1961. My grandparents, mothers side were killed 1954. Grandparents fathers side 1994. And I’m a mother, not a father. Somebody at some point got the kill the K9 -spit- part but I seem to have lost that message. Sorry, told you I was new at this. Didn’t mean to frighten anyone about d. After years of stalking by these monsters my skin is not real thick any more, I just wanted to try to communicate.

              grrr no signal, I will keep trying. They had money, I don’t. I’m pretty sure attorneys don’t take food stamps. My mom is helping with slip rent. My daughter was born 1985.

              Still no signal, southwest Florida…

              Not all of the monsters money came from somebody’s mortgage payments, some was from genocide. I gave the United States Navy the evidence I had in October 2000. They have done nothing.

            • 4of 5gens

              Um, next you might ask, why USN?. Because we had tried cops, fbi, senators, nobody cared

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              We kind of watch out for each other here, so if this is some oddball scheme to find out information on Derek, we will be watching you.

              If you are legit, then we want real info. Sorry, but we need to be careful and right now your story is not adding up too well. Please continue to enlighten us or dig your hole deeper.

            • q-bird

              you, I trust L. Wrong. you, I know.

            • dbloch7986

              Haha, thank you! L. Wrong. I am not sure who this person is, but I’m not afraid of the church. If they want info on me it’s not exactly hard to find!

              Definitely love the fact that you’re looking out for me, and everyone here. This protection I’ve had from my friends and family is something I never experienced from my own parents! It makes me so humbled and appreciative of everyone around me.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Sure thing buddy. You’re the real deal. We treasure you guys who are speaking out.

        • dbloch7986

          Hey! I am 27 so we are not far apart, your daughter and I.

        • dbloch7986

          By the way L Wrong is awesome!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      wow.

    • Zer0

      Thank you for telling your story! Welcome!

      • 4of 5gens

        Thank you. It’s really difficult. I cry alot. I had 2 Doberman’s when I lived in Dunedin. They poisoned them both

        • q-bird

          why?

          • 4of 5gens

            Not sure what u mean “why?” I had Doberman’s 2 try to protect myself from them, so they killed them, that’s why

            • q-bird

              who?

            • marti

              q-bird, You might want to read his prior comments if you haven’t already.

            • q-bird

              hello marti – I have been… There was a {{{reason}}} (spits) for pets killed (trusting Tony’s past reports).
              I got a buddy who is a Mpls. cop. Same time that story came out, he, the cop, told me a similar story — “they” had a {{{reason}}}.
              What reason for going after 4 of 5 and his pets – WHY?

            • 4of 5gens

              never mind I’m too scared myself to worry about somebody else watching me. Not trying to hurt anybody, including d. Won’t try again. Thanks anyway

        • Mooser

          Good gosh cruelty to aminals makes my blood boil! And when my blood boils, it reaches 212 deg. F.

    • dbloch7986

      Hey there! Thanks for the love. Love you more! Please feel free to get in touch with me. I’d love to talk to you. I have never met anyone that was older than 2nd generation…unfortunately we are a rare breed.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Slow down Derek. Read all of the follow-up posts. Make sure this is legit before throwing out personal info. Something does not add up just yet.

      • 4of 5gens

        I’m 52 been fighting them my whole life. Don’t forget to laugh. Love you, Kim

        • dbloch7986

          Thanks for reaching out! I’m not sure how you could be fifth generation if you are the same age as my parents. I suppose stranger things have happened. Care to share more?

          • 4of 5gens

            Not really. See other message. They are afraid I might be trying to hurt you. It’s ok, just carry on

            • dbloch7986

              That’s normal. We do that all the time for each other. There’s a big family of regular commenters here. Well if you don’t want to share then, best of luck to you! There’s plenty of info out there to help you.

              If you want to e-mail me privately, I have an e-mail address precisely for that purpose, which is publicly available at http://askanex.wordpress.com

              The e-mail is dmanunderground@gmail.com

              Promise that I’ll keep our conversation private if you want to reach out. I’d like to know more about you.

              If you decide not to, then, still best of luck to you!

            • q-bird

              You are a good man Derek. you, I trust.

            • dbloch7986

              Kim do you live in Washington?

            • 4of 5gens

              No I currently live on a sailboat in south Florida. Sometimes wireless signal is spotty here.

            • dbloch7986

              That’s right you did say that. That’s got to be uncomfortable, unless it’s a big boat?

            • 4of 5gens

              40 foot Irwin, big enough for me. Some people would call it a yacht. Me, it’s just my little boat…how much room does one person need?

          • 4of 5gens

            I’m not 5th generation, I am 4th of 5 generations they have murdered. My great grandparents, my grandparents, my parents, my, brother, and my children. Although I have managed to keep a daughter alive so far. K?

            • dbloch7986

              Okay I can see that happening! I’m sorry 🙁

              When you say murdered, what do you mean? Like they literally killed them, or you feel like their deaths can be attributed to their involvement in Scientology?

            • 4of 5gens

              No, they were murdered, never involved in scientology, scientologists were after money.

            • dbloch7986

              So then who killed them? I thought you were implying Scientology when you said “they”

            • 4of 5gens

              That’s because it was scientologists who killed them, after money

            • dbloch7986

              Is your boat in the Florida Keys? Islamorada maybe?

            • 4of 5gens

              No, not yet that far south

            • dbloch7986

              Okay well instead of me guessing I’d like to know who you are, if you want to share. I’ve given you an e-mail address you can reach out to me. The ball is in your court.

              Of course you can always talk to me on here too.

            • 4of 5gens

              Ok maybe I’ll try that sometimes these people are nasty, which is why I never tried before. It doesn’t take much for me to shut down. So good luck, God bless

            • dbloch7986

              That’s the internet for you. You got to have a sense of humor or you’re shit out of luck in these parts.

            • 4of 5gens

              Ha well, been sol most of my life, that’s when they’re not saying “who gives a f..k?”

            • EnthralledObserver

              I’m only mean to those who deserve it… and that’s rarely the case. Go on, tell your story… we’re all waiting with baited breath. *begs*

            • 4of 5gens

              No thanks. See last message from jmv3. That’s why we tortured survivors don’t talk.

            • EnthralledObserver

              If you have anything tangible to your story I implore you to at least go to the police if you are unwilling to share here. I’m disappointed not to get to hear it, but the most important thing is that if you can help bring down the cruel, evil organisation, you should try.
              As a never-in I cannot contribute this way… and to be honest it frustrates me when those who have something to add/contribute refuse to do so.
              In the friendliest way possible, the Aussie way, I again implore you to suck it up and spew it all out as best you can. Trust me, it will be cathartic for you too!
              😀

            • 4of 5gens

              I have never refused to try. Please see my answer to jvm 3 we all tried. He is what we got. From everyone, including police, fbi, etc…

            • EnthralledObserver

              Try again, keep trying… find that fighting spirit and never, ever give up. If you do, you’ve let them win… and none of us want that!

            • 4of 5gens

              Well, silly me. I told them I was new at this. Never blogged before. If I was a troll, I would’ve known where to get the e-mail address. Ok

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              4 of 5, you certainly sound like a sad sack. If you are honest, I do feel sorry for you. But you do not seem honest. Your first task is to get thicker skin and quit playing the poor-me victim card, blubbering away on my sail boat and no one here is nice. It invites ridicule, not sympathy. Best wishes, Jeremiah

            • Jvm3

              It’s offensive to real survivors. Now I was never in, but I’ve been following closely for some time now, reading everything I can about Scientology. The only victims I’ve read about or heard from so far have had *at least* an indirect link to Scientology, like as a family member of a cultir or a journalist trying to cover the stories. Never once have allegations been made of Scientologists just choosing rich people to steal from and murder randomly. So your story is questionable at the least. But then… Five entire generations of your family massacred!!!! No connections to Scn, we’re just rich wtf!!! You went full Super Saiyan OT 4 on the story. Bad trolling.

            • 4of 5gens

              Just because you have not heard of us yet does not mean we do not exist.

            • Mooser

              “Just because you have not heard of us yet does not mean we do not exist.

              Why do I get the feeling nobody has ever heard of you?

            • dbloch7986

              I’m guilty of being an asshole on more than one occasion.

            • 4of 5gens

              Not a troll, just another tortured soul. Now I’m sorry I tried.

            • Jvm3

              Why give up? You have a story to tell. Why not tell it?

            • 4of 5gens

              Can’t tolerate the ridicule and denial. Not a troll. Sorry I tried

            • Jvm3

              I’m sorry you did, too. At least your punctuation improved in the short time you were here! I know you were worried about that at first. Count it as a win.

            • 4of 5gens

              Ha! Not really ever a punctuation problem, just a kindle screen keyboard problem…

            • Jvm3

              I see. So, in your story, let me pick up where you left off..

              “I’m not 5th generation, I am 4th of 5 generations they have murdered. My great grandparents, my grandparents, my parents, my, brother, and my children. Although I have managed to keep a daughter alive so far. K?”

              So all 8 of your great-grandparents were alive (very unusual) until they were murdered by one organization (call Ripley on this). And then, all 4 of your grandparents, too! Holy shit! They were so rich that Scientologists targeted them for random torture and murder. But wait, then both your parents got the axe. And your “children” as well, minus one daughter who survives and reminds you of an escaped Scientologist. Even tho your daughter was never in Scientology. So now you live on a boat fearing for your life, but you wanted to reach out to the one guy who can help you tell your story.. An ex-scientologist who happens to be an outspoken critic of the “church” and a nice guy. You’ve included at least 15 murders with no specifics in your story. But you want to reach out on a message board. Call the FBI. Call any Sheriff in Southern Florida. Call Geraldo Rivera. Get your story out there man!!

            • 4of 5gens

              You have made many assumptions. My grandparents were killed before I was born. My great grandfather in 1968. My father is dead, not my mother. They killed my brother in1977. My son in 1992. As far as your snide advice regarding who to call, I have tried all of that except of course jeraldo. We all did. You are why this is so bad. You don’t want to hear it. And I never believed Mr Bloch could help me, he just gave me some courage to speak. You took it.

            • EnthralledObserver

              4of 5gens… seriously, you are already on your way. Just share the details, you never know, maybe someone might be able to fill in some of the gaps that will enable you and or the authorities to hold someone accountable. But that’s never going to happen if you keep it all bottled up inside, running/hiding in fear.
              I assumed you originally meant one person from each generation, so most of us get what you are saying, but honestly you can’t expect us to read minds… some of us evidently fill in the blanks in different ways, forgive us.
              You came here to start to share, and you are doing the right thing, keep it coming.

            • 4of 5gens

              Thanks for listening, but I’m sure you can’t help me. Cop named Jeffrey tackett tried to help me in belleair fl, they killed him too

            • Mooser

              Don’t forget the brother Mark, in 1977.

            • Jvm3

              It’s only fair to assume things when people speak in such generalities. You didn’t say “great grandfather” earlier, you said “great grandparents”. Plural. Same with your parents. Don’t blame me for your initial story being blurry and purposefully vague. If it makes you feel more comfortable, I’m going to stop replying to you now. Tell your story in full length and detail, but I’d advise you not to tell it here if it has even a shred of truth to it. Get yourself a lawyer. You can afford one, you have a boat.

            • 4of 5gens

              Got it, you are all such winners!

            • q-bird

              But headed in that general direction eh?!. To be sure. You are so lucky to be at one with the Sea Dof E. You feel safe and free there don’t you? Do keep heading South, thru all of the Keys, if it is at all possible. So beautiful. When you find your way to Cayo Hueso, the island of bones. Here will be your last chance for supplies & repairs & all the fresh water you can hold. Now. If it’s blowing hard and you gotta get away anyway, pick up and run due west on the 24:30 line. I shit you not. This is true. This will keep you inside the reef, a good thing to know, given the winds & seas, down south where the Gulf meets the Atlantic, fall into winter time. Don’t know if you like running in 5 to 9 (sailboats do adore a stiff breeze) but inside the reef, you got the same wind, but running in a very do-able 4 to 6. I’ve seen a number of Irwin’s. Sweet Blow Boats those are, used much for chartering. Next stop, the Marquesas, then cross Rebbeca’s channel holding that 24:30.and THEN your almost in the Dry Tortugas! omg. Real great place to see! Very cool. Great fishing. Boats from all over the world gather there before their deep sea voyaging. When you see the Fort switch from 16 to 6, I promise you, a fisherman will come back and help direct you into the safe harbor.

              4of 5gens. Fair winds to you.

              Fair Winds.

            • 4of 5gens

              On my way baby, on my way…

            • Jvm3

              Re-read this because something rang familiar, even tho I’ve never sailed a day in my life. It’s that it reminded me of a Crosby, Stills and Nash song. Who makes music like this anymore? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cBsnopTVmo

            • q-bird

              Oh wonderful! I KNEW this song before *refreshing* Jvm3! Ha!

              A favored song. Pretty.

              There are two Marquesas Island groups btw – that one there in the Keys, about 30 miles due west of KW, of which I am well acquainted and the Marquesas islands that are smack dab in the center of the ENTIRE Pacific Ocean – Tahiti! South Pacific!

              Return fire for you then, from your friendliest of trolls.

              Here is a song I heard on the radio while at Sea on a perfect calm day
              and fell in love with it forever:

              http://youtu.be/GY0sAVMfrWM

              G’nite all, q_bird out

            • Jvm3

              You are surely friendly, especially in linking to a Buddy Guy classic, but you are no troll. Sleep well q birdie!

            • Jvm3

              Was this guy involved? He looks like a killer:

            • dbloch7986

              Is that the leprechaun, from leprechaun?

            • Jvm3

              No, it’s the troll from “Troll”

            • dbloch7986

              Indeed and coincidentally that movie was released during my birth year.

            • 4of 5gens

              This is not a joke. Never was. Sorry

    • Mooser

      “N I’m scared n heart pounding n crying while I type this on a kindle”

      Please don’t worry. Nobody else can see this.

  • 4of 5gens

    @reliance, not funny

    • Espiando

      “4th of 5 generations these monsters have tortured to death” As in the Fourth of Five Invader Fleets? Hail Marcabia.

      • Zer0

        Fail

        • Espiando

          Marcabian Commander has been that obvious with clues before. I’m sure I could spot more if I needed to. Like, “they murdered my brother Mark”, as in Marcab.

          • dbloch7986

            Lulz. Espi, love you anyway!

      • marti

        Put the bottle down.

        • Espiando

          Shut up, you stupid cow.

          • marti

            Oh my Espiando. You have just shown your true colors. I truly feel sorry for you.

  • sugarplumfairy

    ‘night, all.. My impressionable fairy ass is going to bed before y’all need band aides..

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Don’t sit on a wicker chair with short shorts then….it will certainly leave an impression on your fairy ass.

    • dbloch7986

      Goodnight! Love you Sugar!

  • Unex Skcus

    Lookout!

    • q-bird

      for what? (just got home) hello Unex Skcus – you I trust.

      • Unex Skcus

        WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!
        I’m an Aussie, and we can bullshit with the best of them.

        • monkeyknickers

          I just above said the very same thing!!! While adding this link:

          http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html

          of Aussie Awesomeness and also mentioning Chris Lilley!

          IT’s CRAZY.

          🙂

          • Sydjazz

            Chris lilley annoys me

            • monkeyknickers

              NOOOOOOOO!

              Why??

            • Sydjazz

              He played black face when he pretended to be a tongan boy and hey hey got slammed for doing black face. He just isn’t funny to me. And just generally creeps me out. Also summer heights high made me cringe 🙂

        • Sydjazz

          G’day

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Very nice!

      • q-bird

        aww geez — must I refresh continually?

        edit: very funny Unex! 😀

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          yes

          • q-bird

            yes gd it!

          • q-bird

            4of 5 feels like Peace Theta. That’s my feeling, not a fact yet.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              This is a weird one. Not the normal troll routine at all. I got MY tin foil on.

  • Ruby

    where is Observer?!

    • sister wendy

      where, o where?

  • dbloch7986

    Killing trees, disobeying laws and stereotyping. Sounds like David Miscavich is indeed carrying forward the legacy of Hubbard.

    • q-bird

      Evening to you Derek – new folks are talking about you, not to far down below here.

      Am wondering if you know these new peeps. please confirm.

      • dbloch7986

        Don’t know who it is, but if they want to talk to me, I’m cool with it. I have an e-mail address I can give out that’s safe to use.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Derek, the fact that this guy hasn’t taken up your offer to privately email is, in itself, suspicious…
          But then again he doesn’t seem to want anything specific from you… yet.
          I’m intrigued if anything at all of what he’s said ‘might’ have any shred of truth to it. If so, then a blog is not where he should be communicating… he ought to be speaking to the police.
          Just my (obvious) two knuts worth…

          • q-bird

            And…………..
            “sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don’t…”

            a little jingle from an old time commercial.

            hey there Ethralled. You and me started posting on this blog about the same time ya know.

            • EnthralledObserver

              G’day! Is that right, we started about the same time? Cool. Yeah, I think that applies to a lot of people, some commented right away, some lurked for a while first, but I’m fairly certain it was the TomKat marriage break-up that drew a lot of us in at that time. Was that so for you too?
              Knuts… yeah, that’s my geeky Potterholic side showing. *wears embarrassment with pride* 😉

            • q-bird

              back atcha. sure. oh hell yeah, I listened in a very long time before ever even thinking about commenting on something myself. I had a lot to learn and once I discovered the comments, well, that made for more to learn & research — the dang real kind now, hear?! — more links to click. Moar rabbit holes. The trustworthy regular commentators are every bit the taskmasters that Ortega is, I swear!

              Interesting always, this blog… the first person I replied to was called a troll by many. I did not know what that was of course – ha! Asked all the youngin’s at work. They said, someone who derides the conversation – someone who lies for the fun of it. Likes to goad, likes to elicit an emotion out of someone. It tickles them, they play, these people, within the interwebs. It is so easy to lie anonymously, isn’t it? Yank another’s chain. What I find most excellent about the Bunker however, is that, by far, the folks who post here regularly do not trifle and play with lies. They are bent in the opposite direction, and I love that about this place. I’ve noticed that when a new poster does not answer simple questions, or elaborate in any meaningful manner, they pretty much are here only to jazz things up some. Eventually, it is determined, by their words, what they are about… or “who” they are. Just remember, at the end of the {{{communication}}} wnen The Faker says, sayonara suckahs! — do not let your feelings be hurt by the prank. The one below lies & deceives, but just for the fun of it only. No real harm done. Just talkin’. Just sayin’.

              Then again, maybe they just want to say hello to another human being –
              Like being able to say G’DAY to someone from down under, eh?!!!

              Very cool Enthralled dont’cha think hey?! I like it.

              Being able to come here and say what you know if you want? Or don’t know………….. holy crap Enthralled………… I just re-read what I wrote and………… holy Zemu! I’m a gd troll! in every way minus the lying part!

              Meh, I don’t seem to need lies to deride, I just do it naturally. crap.

              Oh NOooo… Is this what is known as a cognition? Oh whoa.

              Damn this b.s.!

              I’ll tell you what’s wonderful about our trolls tho darlin’…. listening to you guys bat them around a bit. No real harm done. Just talkin’. Just sayin.
              Cheers Doll. you, i trust. atta girl you shiny Aussi you.

              q of :p

            • EnthralledObserver

              😀
              It all good, I hear you.
              And yes, eventually (sometimes sooner than later) you are always able to recognise the trolls from the OSAbots from the genuine. That one below, surely is a troll. Sometimes I think it’s worth pushing a bit though, just to be sure… and sometimes it’s just fun to play along, because maybe someone else who IS genuine might just be reading along.
              You are stellar too, btw… there are very few commenters here I wish would find better things to do… haha. 😉

  • dbloch7986

    For those of you who are reading this and on the fence, or who are out and looking to grasp some understanding on what you’ve been through, I have two books I recommend to you:

    “Inside Scientology”

    http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Scientology-Americas-Secretive-Religion/dp/B00A7K68UY

    and

    “Get Anyone to do Anything and Never Feel Powerless Again”

    http://www.amazon.com/Anyone-Anything-Never-Powerless-Again/dp/B002HJ3JK0

    The last one gave me INCREDIBLE insight into human psychology. Despite the title, it is not a miracle cure or a get rich quick book. It’s basic psychological principles demonstrated in every day life situations. It has been an incredible asset to me, both in my recovery and in my understanding of human nature.

    The first one gave me objective insight into Scientology and the Miscavich regime.

    Both books combined were like the keys that unlocked the mental prison that held me hostage.

  • Sarah James

    Be it trees or people Miscaviges cult is in a hurry to mow them down.

  • Jvm3

    I hereby petition the Bunker for a better class of troll. Choose a name, start your adventure, but please choose to be of a higher class.

    • dbloch7986

      It’s unusual for a troll to directly engage someone on here. Usually it’s some generic comment about how Scientology is good.

      • Jvm3

        He keeps mentioning you specifically, like he’s trying to get in touch with you for a bigger troll mission. His story doesn’t add up, and I understand that you can handle yourself, but its still very shady.

        • dbloch7986

          Actually there are lots of people who help me handle myself. Peeps here, Tony O. of course, and friends in LA and family in Texas. Could never do it alone!

          • Jvm3

            That’s a classy response, to acknowledge those who have helped you. And you’re in a position to help others, which is great. But this guy might as well be guarding a bridge.

            • dbloch7986

              LOL not classy, honest and sincere. What I’m saying is don’t feel like your cautionary advice is falling on deaf ears. I would never for a second think I could handle myself by myself.

            • Jvm3

              Alright then 🙂 btw, keep up the good work on your blog. You offer some great insight for those of us never-ins

      • Cheryl

        I’ve just read all the comments and am left feeling confused, couldn’t work out what was going on or whether he was just taking the piss.i definitely wouldn’t give him/her/it your personal email though. Just very bizarre!

      • Nevermore

        Well, just be careful who you give that email addy to – I know you’ve set it up for such purposes, but nevertheless.

  • DamOTclese2

    “I don’t need no white woman coming up to me and telling me who I can’t video tape.” LOL!

  • montananut

    I don’t suppose it’s too much to ask that someone “in” finally grows the balls to ask Der Midget what he has done to pull this all in? I mean, NOTHING ever happens to a Scientologist that is not “pulled in”, right? So what’s his excuse? Oh, that’s right, he doesn’t need an excuse, for him, it’s always someone else’s crimes, he is infallible. The whole scam is so hypocritical, how do they not see it???

    • Nevermore

      I doubt anyone is willing to risk the severe beating and trip to The Hole that would follow such a question!

    • Graham

      Sadly nobody has the fucking rank to ask the Dwarfenfuhrer anything. It was the same with Hitler, and look what happened to him in the end.

    • Krew13

      What do ya mean? Don’t you remember what his BFF Top Gun said about him? “I have never met a more compassionate, a more intelligent, a more caring person”, etc etc. And Tom knows, OK? Tom knows. And Tom knows that he knows. Because Tom is all about KSW. Krazy Shitty Weirdos.

      • Nevermore

        If I hear that ‘we KNOW’ shite one more time, I will EXPLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE! I know it’s petty, but it annoys me so much that I might have to get on the train, go to the only $ciloon office in my fair country, kick down the door, grab one of them (if there is indeed more than one of them) by the throat and scream ‘WTF is it that you KNOOOOOOOOW???’ at them.

        Do you think they’ll tell me? Or just call the police?

        More seriously, it’s all part of their reallocating meaning to words (classic cult behaviour) routine. Makes them feel special and different. I shouldn’t let it annoy me. But it does!

      • Sydjazz

        Cos it takes a ksw to know one hehe

    • Missionary Kid

      They don’t see it because they are gradually pulled into the cult, for whatever personal reason, be it a desire for a bettter world, or to solve their personal problems, then they are love bombed, and encouraged to think that everyone else in the group is having personal gains in intorspection, so there must be something they don’t see or aren’t doing because they aren’t experiencing those gains.

      Some people have those personal gains, but they are taught that those gains are all attributed to the “tech” of $cientology, when those same realizations about themselves could be accomplished just as easily, and probably at much less personal expense.

      All the while, a person’s world view is redefined and reshaped. They adopt an “us vs. them” attitude, and they invest more and more personal time and money into the scam. If a clam does any questioning at this, or any other point, they are made to feel that they have done something bad, or that if something goes wrong, it is their personal fault. It is a slow seduction process of one’s being and attitude.

      Remember, you are looking at it from the outside. The process is not unlike one that a pedophile uses on their victim. Grooming, seduction, and control. It’s almost as evil.

  • Krew13

    Does Miscmidget ask for reports on the exact decibel level of the applause he gets when he comes on stage at one of the Sciloons’ Nuremberg style rallies?

    • Nevermore

      Oh, I bet he does!

    • Sydjazz

      What like a clap o meter?

  • Sydjazz

    The video from harlem was very entertaining. I wish they got the answers to the questions. Seeing kirstie alley dance made me worry for her dance partner. Ouch. On a lighter note just found this pic on my hard drive. Noo bart is converting homer lol

    • Gabbyone

      Our local paper had a story about Kirsty’s personal dance trainer (and other DWTS stars) that got picked up by TMZ and the Daily Mail. http://goo.gl/PujCnE

  • monkeyknickers

    EDIT: This was meant as a simple reply but is now showing up in about 500 places and I can’t seem to control it and I haven’t had lunch even and . . . . . I HATE DISQUS.

    I’m so sorry guys!!! :(( I can’t delete the extra posts!

    Hi sweets.

    I addressed this above, but I think it’s important enough to say again:

    We
    are people first, and professional second. If my profession meant I
    owned a lawnmower, would I refuse to use it to help my elderly neighbor
    because I just got off work? Of course not.

    I
    understand what it means to have family inside. I think my sister a
    million times a day. Well . . . . a trillion, every time I look at my
    beautiful, special little niece whose mama left her.

    Family
    is the most important thing to me. But if I were hustling a record (in
    the very VERY low level way I do from time to time) right now instead of
    being a big fat pregnant person whose sister recently stole all her
    money for scientology and then disappeared into the Sea Org leaving her
    child behind

    (taking a breath) :))

    . .. . . . . I can GUARANTEE YOU that I would be talking about the Church of Sci.
    Because I have an obligation to all the other mothers and sisters and sons and daughters out there to fucking step up.

    Young
    men are KILLING themselves. Babies have been kept 30 to a room 24 hours
    a day and cower at the sight of the sun the one day they’re allowed to
    go outside. Women are being robbed of their children and their humanity.
    PEOPLE ARE BEING TORTURED.

    So we – all of us – have an obligation to at least MENTION it.

    If
    you have a tool that can help stop these awful things from happening –
    use it. It’s just that some of us have a squirt gun, and others of us
    have an AK-47.

    Either way – lock ‘n’ load, then pull the fucking trigger.

    (I am a cranky pregnant woman sorry I love you okay that’s it)

    • Sydjazz

      That is awful 🙁 hope you have an easy pregnancy

  • Sydjazz

    Pretty bad when l rongs own son was fair gamed http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=Mi6aTe6T5LE

  • GlibWog

    yes