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Is After Earth Will Smith’s Scientology Coming Out Party?

Looks like someone could use a touch assist.

Looks like someone could use a touch assist.

Here in the Underground Bunker, we just received some indication that things are going to heat up again next week with big Scientology news, so for today, please forgive us if we offer a little light fare for our Friday morning post.

Tonight, the movie After Earth opens in theaters, and it’s already received a drubbing from critics.

Hey, big-budget movies get hammered by critics with regularity, so why is this one noteworthy? Maybe because even the movie critics have sensed that this vanity project by Will Smith has a strong whiff of Scientology about it.

Now, we all know that Will and his wife Jada Pinkett Smith are still on the down-low about their involvement in the church, but Will’s given an awful lot of money to Scientology fronts. It’s tempting to conclude from that generous giving that the Smiths also power up the e-meter on occasion, and maybe indulge in a little whole-track auditing from time to time.

We’ll come back to that idea in a minute, but first, let’s get you caught up on Will’s new picture and its reception. First, here’s a trailer for After Earth

 

 
Next, we wanted to give you a taste of what’s been said about the film…

Alan Scherstuhl, The Village Voice : “Dad — stern, joyless, the Fresh Prince now a dour warrior king — grumbles ridiculous homilies at [his son], junk cribbed from acting classes, Scientology, and Tom Cruise’s scenes in Magnolia : ‘Root yourself in this moment now. Stop, smell. What do you feel? ‘ And, bafflingly, as if they’re taking improv together, ‘Recognize your power: This will be your creation’.”

Brian Tallerico, HollywoodChicago.com : “The ‘sci’ in M. Night Shyamalan’s sci-fi blockbuster After Earth clearly stands for Scientology and not science. There’s nothing remotely approaching honest science in this boring, preachy, horrendously made film that occasionally looks good but has nothing more worthwhile to say than a pamphlet trying to get you to convert to a cult.”

Scott Foundas, Variety : “Papa Smith, who also takes a story credit, reportedly conceived of After Earth as a contemporary survival tale set in the wilds of Alaska, and the pic might have packed more punch rendered in spare, Jack London-esque fashion. Festooned instead with special effects— from CG animals (none as convincing as Life of Pi ’s tiger) to bits of CG volcanic ash hovering against charcoal CG skies — it’s a leaden affair, even at barely 90 minutes (not counting credits). Donning an impermeable tough-guy facade, and hovering on the edge of consciousness for much of the running time, the senior Smith gives one of the least substantive performances of his career, while the undeniably charismatic Jaden toggles between two primary modes of expression: paralyzing fear and simmering rage.”

Lou Lumenick, New York Post : “Eleven years and several progressively more dreadful movies after “Signs,’’ director M. Night Shyamalan would be lucky to get a gig directing traffic. His work on this reported $150 million vanity project manages to generate no suspense or excitement. Only yawns. Will Smith, who co-produced with assorted family members, also contributed the vaguely L. Ron Hubbard-ish story, for what is laughably described in the press notes as a ‘franchise.’ The erstwhile box-office king, who appears to be suffering from delusions of grandeur in recent years, really should stick to his day job.”

Joe Neumaier, New York Daily News : “Summer 2013 has its first bomb, and sadly, it’s landed right on Will Smith.”

Laremy Legel, Film.com : “The level to which After Earth is a catastrophe is amazing, but what’s even more impressive is the lengths everyone must have had to gone to for such an epic level of failure. Everyone involved, from director M. Night Shyamalan all the way down to Jaden Smith is culpable, and truly capable of so much better. After Earth shouldn’t be seen on this planet, and if we ever discover new ones, habitable ones, we should take steps to make sure it’s never shown there either, just in case.”

Richard Roeper, Chicago Sun-Times : “After Earth is a film without wit or sparkle. At times the special effects look so cheesy, you wonder if they’re going to pull back and show members of the crew rocking the ship or working the strings on puppets. In the meantime, we keep getting heavy-handed metaphors about overcoming fear and unbearably clunky dialogue. Also, I could go the rest of my life without seeing another grotesque, screeching monster with deadly pincers and an unquenchable appetite for humans.”

 
Yee-ouch! These folks really, really didn’t like the film.

Now, before we get back to Will and Scientology, we wanted to point out something about the film’s director, M. Night Shyamalan.

We noticed some time ago that Shyamalan has a fairly unique profile at Metacritic.com, a website we visit from time to time. Metacritic’s schtick is to read movie reviews and assign them numerical values, from 0 to 100, as a way to average out a film’s general reception.

Clearly, it’s not an exact science, and it’s not unique — other sites also have a way to rate movie reviews numerically — but over the last few years we’ve found that Metacritic ratings can sometimes be interesting. And particularly in the case of Mr. Shyamalan.

What we mean is, we noticed some time ago that Shyamalan had an uncanny knack for getting a consistently lower Metacritic score with each movie he’s made since his 1999 hit, Sixth Sense. Here, take a look at his record as a director and you’ll see what we mean…

 
SixthSense

 
Unbreakable

 
Signs

 
TheVillage

 
LadyInTheWater

 
TheHappening

 
TheLastAirbender

 
See what we mean? If you can find any other director whose career has the same unwavering trajectory, we’d like to know.

Anyway, you’re probably wondering how the theta power of Will Smith and his son Jaden is affecting Shyamalan’s power curve.

So far, the Smiths are helping M. Night break his string! With 29 reviews in, After Earth has zoomed up to…

 
AfterEarth

 
…Yes, a 31!

Well, perhaps the team of Shyamalan and the Smiths will prove to be such a potent force, After Earth will turn into a franchise after all.

Speaking of which, it is very interesting to us that a simple story about a father and son out on a hike in the Alaskan wilderness was turned into a $150 million picture with a thousand-year backstory. From the reviews, we get the sense that a huge amount of work went into tracing that history, much of which apparently was cut from what Smith had intended to be a much longer film.

OK, so there are our clues: wild space history, motivational speaking about banishing emotion, and tough love for children. So how does that score on our Scientology antennae?

Very high, actually. And we couldn’t help thinking about our previous story about whole-track auditing. You see, when the popular press mentions Scientology’s penchant for space opera, invariably they’re referring to the materials of “OT III” and the Xenu incident, which was parodied so well on a 2005 episode of South Park.

But what we learned in our story about whole-track auditing is that well before they run into Xenu, Scientologists could spend years “remembering” their own wild space memories of running prison planets or blowing up star cruisers in events that transpired millions of years ago.

We have to wonder, if Will Smith has been indulging in whole-track auditing, has he taken it a bit too seriously? Did he think his own “memories” of space opera adventures might make for good screen material? If so, he’d be in good company: Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard wanted to turn his Xenu material into a film, Revolt in the Stars, but his 1977 script didn’t make it to the screen.

Other writers are drawing additional parallels between the film and the specifics of Scientology.

The Smiths still refuse to talk about the extent of their Scientology involvement, but they have been freaking out people with some bizarre talk about multidimensional mathematics, or something.

Either way, this family is weird. And if they thought After Earth was going to be an effective recruiting film for Scientology? You all remember how well that turned out last time, right?

 
UPDATE: Matt Patches has now adapted his comparison between After Earth and Scientology for New York magazine, it appears. While over at Gawker, our old friend Dave Touretzky is trying to tamp down talk of parallels between the two.

We’re with Patches on this one. Touretzky is being a little too literal here for our tastes. We don’t expect Smith to make a faithful adaptation of The Problems of Work, for crissakes. We hear Smith has been getting auditing since at least 2006, perhaps as early as 2003. As a result, he’s now playing a humorless asshole barking motivational nonsense at his kid about removing emotion from his approach to survival.

That sure sounds like plenty of Scientologists we know.

We like the headline on the Patches piece: this film is Smith’s love letter to Scientology, whether or not actual e-meters show up in the thing.

 
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New Videos!

Mark Bunker gives us another glimpse of material from his upcoming documentary, Knowledge Report. It’s a few minutes with the super-smart Bruce Hines explaining the mind trap of the “Truth Rundown”…

 

 
And here’s the latest part of Karen de la Carriere’s interview with Carol Nyburg, on escaping the Sea Org…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on May 31, 2013 at 07:00

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  • 1subgenius

    It was weird, when I saw the trailer the first time last night, and they said “Tomorrow”.
    Usually there’s a bit more lead time.
    Wow, and its in IMAX.
    This one will be setting some records, not good ones.
    Even though every Scientologist will see it.

    • ze moo

      The media campaign has been going for the last month or so. Trailers and cut scenes have been on various shows and web sites for some time. Will and Jaden have been very busy doing the talk show circuit to tout the film. There is a lot of money behind this marketing campaign. Movies like this are expensive to produce in just cgi, the studios take out insurance by doing expensive marketing campaigns to try to inflate the box office.

      • 1subgenius

        I’m obviously not on the tube much.

    • Poison Ivy

      No, the trailer’s been around for a while.

  • Observer

    There is no better way to start the day than with a bunch of skillfully snarky movie reviews. It’s amazing how many reviewers are so aware of the Scientology influence in a movie that doesn’t even have Tom Cruise in it, and that makes me very happy.

    Speaking of Scientology influence, I popped over to rottentomatoes.com to check After Earth’s score there, and got a big surprise. There’s usually some kind of disparity between the critics’ and users’ scores, but I’ve never seen one this huge. I wonder if the “church” has Scilons busily inflating the user score, or if it’s just another case of the whole two minute’s worth of good scenes in the entire movie being crammed into the trailer.

    • Captain Howdy

      Fast and Furious 6 made like 100 million last weekend.

      “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”
      – H. L. Mencken

      • Kim O’Brien

        i love it when you quote Mencken ….

    • Chocolate Velvet

      ” I wonder if the “church” has Scilons busily inflating the user score”

      I wondered the same thing. I spent some time last night looking at all these reviews and stories about how the movie is a flop. There were also a few sponsored articles, and these were the only ones calling it a hit.

      There was a strange polarity in the comments as well — people critical of the movie or the actors/director involved, and others who just love Will Smith and applaud his values and don’t see the issue about his religion.

      Even better, those who “have no interest in Will Smith”, but just stopped by to applaud his career and family values (!). Even if it’s not scibots online, it is certainly scientology-style PR.

      • ze moo

        These days studios employ massive marketing campaigns. On line ‘reputation repair’ and just general marketing are clam business specialties. I would suspect the studio and producers are behind most if not all ‘upvotes’.

        • Chocolate Velvet

          Studios have done planted PR since newspaper days. But this movie is not getting top-shelf promotionfrom the studio. Not released for review until two days before it’s in theaters, and the release date was changed to pit it against a weaker film. Also, the director’s name has been pushed far into the background. I’m sure some of the manufactured buzz is from the studio, but some of it is probably the Smith family applying PR “tech” to boost their son’s box office. Just a guess, of course…

          • Poison Ivy

            Yes, not released for review until 2 days before is bad news. And the promotion – though a major effort – is not quite commensurate with Will’s status and certainly not the budget. Plus M. Night – I’ve seen the AFTER EARTH trailer a thousand times and didn’t even realize he directed it! Very odd.

          • ze moo

            The whole thing looks like the Smiths are major investors in it. I am not talking taking a percentage of the gross, but putting millions into the movie.

      • InterestedObserver12

        Dead on, Chocolate.

    • Poison Ivy

      I don’t hold out a lot of respect for many critics; but this discrepancy shows you Will Smith’s box office power. He has fans that cross all races and socio-economic groups, male and female, and a very wide age range. He’s made smart movie choices in the past and that’s earned him a great deal of loyalty. He’s also generally regarded as annoyingly demanding but off set, a very nice guy. His popularity could save this film and actually turn it into the dreaded franchise.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I am sorry to learn about the Truth Rundown. That short clip explaining it was completely out of my sphere of knowledge. Scientology, of course, would be horrible without that. In fact, you could strip most everything from Scientology, perhaps down to the preface of Dianetics called, “How to Read this Book” and you still have something horrible. It can only be saved by peeling the millions of words down to the dedication of Dianetics which is to Will Durant. He wasn’t such a bad guy. There. Scientology redeemed.

    I am also sorry about Carol Nyburg. I hope she brushes off the full effects of the cult soon enough.

    Will word get out that Will Smith is a Scientologist? I hope not. Like Travolta, like Cruise a decade ago, Smith is a very likeable guy. He will bring more young people into the cult than all the Ways of Happiness brochures combined. Without their movie stars to give them legitimacy, Scientology is far less desirable. Hopefully, his film will be brushed off the screens by Iron Man (created by three Jews and a Christian), Superman, (created by two Jews) and Star Trek, (created by a Christian). Somehow, though, I don’t think people will flood to the synagogues and Christian churches. The desired effect works only with Scientologists.

    We need another Bowfinger.

    • coonellie

      All hail Bowfinger! What an awesome piece of work!

      So very, very sad about Smith. His grandmother must be rolling over in her grave.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Even people who don’t know about Scientology love that one. I count that one, The Master and Men who Stare at Goats as the mainstream critical films about Scientology. As for Men who Stare at Goats, after they made it lawsuit proof there wasn’t much left. It sucked.

    • Captain Howdy

      J.J Abrams became a christian after leaving scientology?

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        I googled J.J.Abrams after reading your comment. I read differing opinions. Are you sure that he is a Scientologist? Anyway, I was thinking of Gene Roddenberry for Star Trek and for Iron Man I was thinking Stan Lee, Larry Lieber, Jack Kirby and Don Heck and for Superman Jerry Seigal and Joe Shuster.

        • Captain Howdy

          From what I’ve read, Abrams was a practicing scientologist at one time.

          • Poison Ivy

            He is not a Scientologist now, as far as I know. I sure hope not – he’s a great guy.

        • Karen715

          If I recall correctly, Roddenberry was an atheist.

  • 1subgenius

    OMG, the notices are rivaling the NYT review of Guy Fieri’s restaurant.

  • 1subgenius

    So, Jaden has to go off to find the rescue beacon of their spaceship, which is in a piece broken off in the crash.
    I guess a thousand years from now they forgot to make those things activate automatically.

    • Poison Ivy

      It was an original LRH design.

      • ze moo

        Emergency transponders were made mandatory for all US aircraft around 1974. They work quite well, though early models sometimes went off for no reason.

        • VickiStubing

          I blame body thetans.

          • richelieu jr

            Body gremlins…

        • Missionary Kid

          Actually, they don’t work that well. They broadcast on 121.5, which is also the voice emergency frequency. There are still way too many falsely triggered signals, and the only way to find them is to use a direction finder. They’re better than nothing, but not necessarily by much.

          The newer ones broadcast digitally on 243.0, and are much more capable. They can be tied in with a GPS (some have one included) to transmit one’s exact position. It reduces the area of search tremendously. In addition, it always transmits the airplane I.D. That makes it much simpler to track down a signal that has been accidentally triggered. They also are monitored by satellite. Many also have voice capability, so one can talk to rescuers.

          The best place to have an emergency transponder is inside the craft, which gives it the best protection.

  • Captain Howdy

    Supposedly Will wanted to call it “After Battlefield Earth”, but Tom talked some sense into him.

    Sorry, I couldn’t resist the urge.

    • BosonStark

      They could probably advertise the film by saying, “Better than Battlefield Earth and all its sequels for the next billion years.”

      • ze moo

        To this day I can’t wear a codpiece. All because of BE and JT.

        • VickiStubing

          The world is a sadder and less stylish place for it, too.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Me either..

        • John P.

          I could never find a codpiece in my size (they only go up to XXL, which is still way too snug); it had nothing to do with Battlefield Earth or JT.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Lol.. I’m imagining you have the same prob with hats.. =)

          • VickiStubing

            JohnP! Where have you been!? It’s not the same when you’re not in the mix.

            • John P.

              Thanks for asking. I’ve been on a hellaciously ugly tour in the provinces. The good news: the bed in the managing general partner’s converted 737 is comfy. The bad news: the schedule was really tight and I had to spend three nights in it this week. The shower only carries enough water for 40 minutes and when you have 12 people who need to shower before landing, it’s a lot like being in the Navy. It’s not like being on your cruise ship where one can waste as much water as one wants. The deal team was big enough that we had to leave the pastry chef and the massage therapist behind, so the food sucked almost as bad as flying commercial and I’m still trying to get the knots out of my shoulder.

              Tuesday night: fly to Munich for meetings Wednesday with a couple of big German banks we own. Normally I would be exempt from that since I don’t do bank finances, but one of them has a big cost reduction program focused on getting more out of its IT operation, so I got stuck looking at that. Then the deal with the Chinese buying Smithfield Foods, the largest US pork producer broke, so we flew back Wednesday night to VA to meet with the management of Smithfield to see if we want to put up a higher bid to take them private, given the possibility that the US could torpedo the deal on food security grounds (politically, the government can’t allow the price of bacon to skyrocket because the new owners are exporting all the pigs raised here). Yesterday and today, we’ve been running around all sorts of places in the provinces (Arkansas, Mississippi, downstate Illinois, etc) to see if we can roll up enough regional pork producers and do some other deals to make a counterbid on Smithfield make us more money. It is touching that management thinks my computer skills will help me have an informed financial opinion on the slaughterhouse industry, but I shudder to think about all the jokes I will face on Monday from my crew. Currently, we’re at 31,000 feet over Cleveland and about an hour and a half from landing at Teterboro.

            • VickiStubing

              Glad you’re safe and sound even if in inhospitable accommodations. Poor baby, it’s not the Ritz, is it? I’m sure the supermodels will be happy to have you back, too. ;D

              Thanks for keeping the price of bacon down–it is one of my favorite vices.

            • Kim O’Brien

              slacker …

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Roughing it again….room service closing at midnight, no pillow mints. We’ll all take a moment over our next bacon and eggs plate to remember your sacrifices, JohnP. Now, what about bacon flavored popcorn?

            • John P.

              It goes without saying that we in Global Capitalism HQ are the largest shareholder of ConAgra, the owner of Orville Redenbacher. I will call the CEO and suggest that they start market research on bacon flavored popcorn on Monday. Great idea! I will make sure it’s stocked on the jet as snack food.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Anons will throw a parade in your honor, sir.

            • Get Chutney Love

              The Chinese have a strategy pork reserve, most people are unaware how important pork is to Chinese culture and Chinese food.

          • ze moo

            Not to mention the static straps, can’t have static building up on those big brass ones…..

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Get one of your supermodels to let it out for you…. :-)

            • sugarplumfairy

              Supermodels don’t sew.. they’re much too weak to do anything but glare and languidly drape themselves over sofas and chaises..

            • John P.

              Supermodels don’t sew.. they’re much too weak to do anything but glare and languidly drape themselves over sofas and chaises..

              True, with a caveat: the exception proves the rule. What you said is why all the interns and traders get to chase the young supermodels; that sort of decorative, passive behavior bores me, so I don’t partake.

              Supermodel #1 is rather different. When her runway career was over, she got into fitness in a big way, and now she’s a fitness model. Black belt in two martial arts, triathlete, marathon runner, swimmer, whitewater kayaker and all around ass-kicker with multiple graduate degrees. A ferocious competitor but with enough compassion and wisdom that even Kate Bornstein was impressed when they met. She’s way out of my league and I am lucky indeed.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I think she pobably considers herself lucky as well.. You’re pretty much up there in the compassion and wisdom department yourself..

        • Exterrier

          Man o man. The clever joking and degrading you all do is required processing after watching Bruce Hines and Carol Nyberg interviews, with all that sick 1984 and beyond pressure that is put on the staffers. Beyond sick and chilling, beyond Stalin, and Orwell, and Stasi, in its mindbending coercion. And the end result is that everybody loves Big Brother, or Little Shithead, in the case of DM.
          Plus the whole goal is to take over the planet in order to install this as the government, as stated by Ron.
          Thanks for the laughs, Ze Moo and Stark and all.
          The codpiece bonfires after BE were like the old bra burnings of the 60’s.

    • Bradley Greenwood

      Damn it…I was going to go there. Sleeping-in ruined my chance at showing how “clever” I am!

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      None of you dead-in-the-heads wogs realize the secret Scientology Code at work here:

      Any Scientology A-Lister must make a horrible movie to secretly prove to COB RTC David Miscavige that they value the Church of Scientology over Hollywood and their acting career:

      * Battlefield Earth

      * Lions for Lambs

      * After Earth

      As a Senior Scientology Factotum, Will Smith is being cultivated to take over NOI when Louis Farrakhan drops his body. This will guarantee the continued fealty and obeisance of NOI to David Miscavige and the Church of Scientology. In this vein, After Earth is a parable in which Jaden Smith is the NOI and Will Smith is the new father figure. Together, they conquer the wilds of upper level case.

      The triple factorum datum that Scientology haters seem absolutely unwilling to accept is that Celebrity Centre International auditing is the spiritual crack cocaine of Hollywood. The fact is that actors and their families and hangers on cannot get enough of CCI auditing and attention.

      While we in the Church of Scientology may take some heat in the media, that does not bother us because at the end of the day we are in Total Cause Resurgence in Hollywood.

      Be prepared for a mind-blowing Summer 2013 in which actor after actor decloaks as a Scientologist and sells the Church’s fundamental value and brand name!

      • Observer

        I await with bated breath.

        • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

          Something about this reply seems fishy, almost as if a trap.

          Bated or baited?

          • Observer

            Bated, despite the extremely common and irritating misspelling of “baited”.

            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bated?s=t

            • Robert Eckert

              Don’t loose your temper. The point is mute.

            • Observer

              Did Clark Carr write that line for you? *snicker*

            • 10oriocookies

              Per wickstrom wrote it.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              SPELLING PET PEEVES!

              Here’s one: loathe and loath. You know the context.

            • Kim O’Brien

              witch one bothers you more ? 😉 ( heehee)

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              Oh, I know how to spell (I was one of those kids who enjoyed reading the dictionary, the encyclopedia, the thesaurus, the world atlas and the phone book).

              I just couldn’t resist the pun.

            • Observer

              I raise a bucket of chum to you, sir!

            • Robert Eckert

              But do you read railroad timetables?

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              No but only because there are no trains in the area.

              I did, at one time, study the TV Guide each week.

              But there were fewer channels and options at the time.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I actually understand this, Z and sadly did the same. I never confessed this before. You’re a Natural Born SecChecker!

            • Missionary Kid

              Or a sock tucker or a…

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              John P is not the only one who finds codpieces too cramped for comfort …

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      • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

        Having discovered that the Celebrity Center magazine is a free subscription via the Apple Newsstand app … I understand your reference to illegal recreational psycho-pharmaceuticals and CCI attendees.

        Good job, BTW, having the one free issue focus on Rear Admiral Travolta.

      • Jgg2012

        OT8, is Scientology exclusively for Celebrities now? It seems that the celebrity centers are the only Scientology buildings that are not empty.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Scientology has really only ever been for celebrities and the wealthy. All of those extra middle class people are just cash flow until they go broke, after which time they become feeder lines for the Sea Org. Anyone else who can’t cut it is declared an SP.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            See, I knew it!

          • Jgg2012

            There must be a lot of SPs in the world.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Total Cause Resurgence in Hollywood? So you’re all running around Sunset and Vine, panting and sweating, and looking for a green, glowing pole? Good. Don’t stop until you reach the EP which is….

    • Observer

      You know what the most unbelievable part of that is? Tom talking sense.

    • richelieu jr

      Dark days for anyone when TC has to speak sense to them…

  • 0tessa

    Bunker’s description of the ‘truth’ rundown: the victim is made to believe that his observations were false, that he is the one with the evil intentions. How horrific! How damaging this is to a person’s mind I cannot imagine. It is Operation Mindcontrol on its best. It is something that could only be designed by someone obsessed by intelligence and security and being very paranoid. The end-product of this rundown must be a person totally rundown indeed, a willing slave for Scientology Inc.
    It should be forbidden by law as psychological torture.

    • VickiStubing

      I would say that maybe that’s why Marty is the way he is, but he bolted before the RPF, right?

    • Poison Ivy

      It used to be called “gaslighting.”

  • SFFrog

    I actually thought Unbreakable was better than Sixth Sense. Shyamalan has talent but needs a collaborator to tone down his shtick. And I guess Will Smith is not that collaborator.

    • Captain Howdy

      Best superhero movies are the dark knight, unbreakable and kick-ass.

      And the only other director I can think of whose career disintegrated so spectacularly is Michael Cimino

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Oh, yes, Cimino! And Sixth Sense and Unbreakable…man, those two really Got inside my brain. That’s a good Sign! Sign had it’s moment, although seemed uneven.

        • SFFrog

          I thought the first 2/3 of Signs was enjoyable. It went downhill quick starting with the extended appearance by the director.

          • Captain Howdy

            One of the more ludicrous things about Signs was that the aliens invade a farm and there’s nary a gun or even a pitch fork to be seen. They attack the alien with a fork or something. Show me a farm in the USA that doesn’t have ay least one gun.

            • SFFrog

              Not to mention the fact that the aliens can cross interplanetary space but still can’t get out a closet.

            • Captain Howdy

              Rolf!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              or cross ponds of water. lol

            • SFFrog

              Actually, I wonder if that was meant to be a metaphor for Scientologists. :)

            • 1subgenius

              Or a pitchfork.
              Way off topic: I met a guy who fell over backwards onto a pitchfork. He could see the tines sticking out of his chest.
              I had to ask two things:
              Did that hurt?
              and
              So when they took you to the hospital did they remove it first?
              (Sometimes you want to leave a foreign object in, because it might be holding stuff in. Cross reference to World According to Garp where they didn’t want to remove the pilot’s helmet who had shrapnel pierce his skull)
              His answer:
              Yeah, they had to take it out to fit me in the ambulance.
              Makes sense.

              BTW, he made a remarkable recovery, but I can’t get the image out of my brain.

            • VickiStubing

              Similar thing happened to my Dad’s neighbor. They sawed off the handle to fit him the car to take him to hospital.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Kick-ass was great.. And btw.. I was in Boston 2 weeks ago and I had a cupcake from Kickass.. made me want to move there..

        • Captain Howdy

          The only reason i would recommend someone on the east coast moving to Boston would be if they were living in Baltimore or Philadelphia for example.

    • elar aitch

      I loved The Village and thought The Happening OK

      • SFFrog

        I did not love The Village. I’ll leave it at that. :) I haven’t seen The Happening.

        • Poison Ivy

          I liked the concept of The Village but felt the execution was terrible. The Happening – well, if you can’t say anything nice….The Lady In the Water….WTF??

          • sugarplumfairy

            my sentiments exactly.. But I loved sixth sense and signs..

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

              I loved Sixth Sense, but found Signs unbearably stupid.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I think I loved it because of Joaquin.. He had me at tin foil hat..

            • Captain Howdy

              Signs sucked. Unbreakable is his masterpiece.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Just ordered a copy of it.. Never saw it..

            • Robert Eckert

              His off-center face is endearing in a way that Tommy’s off-center tooth is not.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Ditto!

    • sugarplumfairy

      This is it exactly.. Shyamalan has strong ties to my hometown, so he’s often here and he’s a local hero.. We love him.. lots of the artsy crowd here were really upset by this choice.. but we’re hoping for the best.. My shyamalan love, in this instance, outweighs my customary and very intense failure postulating for anything co$ related..

      • Captain Howdy

        So your postulated new and better reality is to be Mrs.Shamalamadingdong?

        • sugarplumfairy

          Lol.. Actually, his wife would most likely put the kibosh on that..

          • 1subgenius

            He has a beautiful family.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yep.. His wife is an amazing teacher.. And after working this closely with smith and son, I’d love to hear her thoughts on co$.. and believe me, imma try and find out..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Well when you talk to her, ask her to tell her hubby to snap the fuck out of it and start making good movies again!

            • 1subgenius

              No. Don’t do that.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I won’t.. I know better than to criticize hubby to fiercely protective spouse..

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. Only you could get away with that.. And I won’t get to talk to her firsthand.. Second or third hand, tops..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              and he comes from a family of Real doctors and physicists, right?

              I hope he doesn’t give up. Someone who takes risks in this business is going to have a lot of failures, but his intermittent winners are gems that will last forever. Not working with scientologists is a good one to add to the “what I learned from the last movie” list. There are many classics in the arts that are considered “one hit wonders”. He’s already got 3 or 4 and he’s still young.

            • Poison Ivy

              He is not liked by many because his early success went to his head and he became convinced of his own genius and difficult soon after. Perhaps he has been humbled, though I doubt it, since he still commands A list fees and his name is still a brand.

            • Captain Howdy

              M Night has been a running gag since at least Lady in the Water. The Last Airbender sparked world wide outrage.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              so he needs the Humble Rundown. Hope he cures himself of that. Arrogance can be a real drain on creativity.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yep.. I love how you think, Hole..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Just read PI’s comments. Sounds to me like he needs a good FairySmak!

            • sugarplumfairy
  • Noah Miller

    The reviews are a Farsecian plot to denigrate a friend of Ron.

    • Observer

      Hahah!

    • Espiando

      But what we all want to know is this: is Farsec part of the Marcab Confederacy? Are there Farsecians in the Fourth or Fifth Invader Fleets? Did they knock off some of the Loyal Officers? If you’re just throwing shit into your space opera seemingly at random, at least make an effort to connect it all. Not even George Lucas is that lazy.

      • Noah Miller

        There’s no space opera. Farsec is a real place. It is the most hidden of the planets. It looks like 1970s Britain.

        Much like this: http://scarfolk.blogspot.co.uk/

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’s a Farse!

  • dwayners13

    It was the last few lines in the Bruce Hines interview that I found the most revealing about the “truth rundown”, the RPF & Scientology in general. (Actually, now that I think about it, the term “rundown” is very appropriate, they ensure that you are so “rundown” you’ll say whatever they want you to say.) Anyway back to my point, at the end Hines says “You don’t get off (the RPF) until you’ve had that realization (that LRH & Miscavige are all great people)” I’ve also seen interviews were scientologist who have just completed the RPF say it was very refreshing & ‘just what they needed to put everything in prospective’. This encapsulates just how the church brainwashes & basically breaks people down to the point where they are willing to deny their own observations & accept what they are told as reality. Granted, many don’t actually believe what they are told is true, however they are still so broken or ‘rundown’ to the point where they will say whatever it takes to get off the RPF.

    • Ciru

      He had won the victory over himself, he loved Big Brother.

      Rather chilling.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Exactly. There was a time when comparison to “1984” was thought to be too harsh, too much of a stretch. Not anymore.

        • Ciru

          With the RPF and punishment for thinking bad thoughts about the leader, scientology almost seems based on 1984.

          • Captain Howdy

            “Therefore we really do have the remedy before the assault weapon is
            produced. Did you ever read poor old George Orwell’s uh.. 1984? Yes, yes,
            that’s wonderful. That would be, could be, the palest imagined shadow of
            what a world would be like under the rule of the secret use of Scientology
            with no remedy in existence.”
            – L. Ron Hubbard, Philadelphia Doctorate Course Tape 20

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              lol, and to prove it, Miscavige removed this part of the tape! Just when you think it can’t get funnier, scarier, weirder, someone somewhere in scientology proves that it can!

              I wonder if that’s why Miscavige commands his flying monkeys to fly off to hunt us “Disappeared NonPersons” down every 3 or years. He wants our tapes!

            • Ciru

              That’s a real quote? Wow.

            • Observer

              And that’s what he spent his miserable life trying to achieve.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

        At one point, I did see five lights.

        • richelieu jr

          How many Captain Picards are there in this little group?

          It’s like all the Alexander the Greats wandering around the Celebrity Centre…

          • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

            I think the Xenus outnumber the Jean-Lucs here by a factor of 765,432:1

    • BuryTheNuts2

      That video (Bruce Hines) very lucidly explains the circular thinking trap at its most evil.

      Sometimes I am surprised anyone can break out of that trap at all!

      • Captain Howdy

        I read somewhere that after he blew the cult Bruce went back to school and got a degree in physics.

        So eat shit and die (again) L Ron and “I’m a physicist at heart” Will Smith.

        Bruce is the Boss you mother humpers.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          The guy teaches physics!

          • Observer

            My question: what exactly is a “physicist at heart”?The only thing I can come up with is “someone who thinks he’s intelligent and profound, and wants to sound like he’s intelligent and profound, but doesn’t know squat about the subject on which he is unsuccessfully attempting to be intelligent and profound about.”

            • BuryTheNuts2

              After reading that interview…Me thinks “Will” is just a bit of a looney tune.
              He definitely tries to take himself “seriously”.

              I think you called it!
              And I don’t think he really wants to know about those subjects….He just wants to be known for wanting to know them.

              Maybe you are a physicist at heart if your head can’t handle it?

            • Espiando

              To be honest, that remark turned me from disinterest in Smith into a full-blown hater. I’ve worked in food safety for twenty-five years, but guess what my degree is actually in? I definitely regard myself as a physicist at heart (you never forget your first love). To hear the Fresh Fucking Prince throw that phrase out there…oh, that pisses me off to no end.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yeah, it does leave quite a stench.

              He was much better off trying to be funny.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yah.. You nailed it.. Btw, I’m a french chef at heart..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You just described the ideal scientologist.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i am a game show hostess at heart

        • dwayners13

          Oh, you mean that ‘Wog Science’, I’m pretty sure Hubbard has a doctorate in nuclear physics along with a dozen other PhDs. The reason we don’t know this is because the government (specifically the CIA, NSA) erased all the records of his academic achievements. I think the APA had something to do with it too & don’t get me started on the IRS’s involvement in discrediting LRH.

          • Observer

            Was his “degree” in nuclear physics or nucular physics? I can never remember.

            • VickiStubing

              Was his college even in this guh-LAX-ee?

            • Poison Ivy

              New cue lar.

            • dwayners13

              It depends on what gulaxy your talking about, however he did voluntarily forfeit his doctorates in protest for one reason or another. He was a man of principles you know.

            • richelieu jr

              Well ‘Nuclear’ is just an anagram of ‘Unclear’, after all…

            • Robert Eckert

              And it’s an anagram of R U CLEAN?

            • Observer

              lol!

        • richelieu jr

          I took a class called ‘Astrophysics for Poets”…

          I am neither…

      • dwayners13

        I would chew off my own leg if I ever got caught in that trap.

    • richelieu jr

      It reminds me very much of what they said to prisoners in Guantanamo:

      “Confess. No innocent person will ever leave here.”

  • Dwight Geiger

    The sad part is is that Will Smith has a lot of money and instead of teaching his son about history,math,philosophy,genetics ect.he will use his money to shut down is own son’s mind like Cruise wanted to do with his daughter until Katie figured it out and stoped it.People with money are very scary as they hold a lot of power.This power can only stop when normal people decide to self educate themselves and is is not that hard to do.

    • Roger Larsson

      Money can
      buy the greedy buildings, boats and bring them around the world several times and
      it’s pretty innocent. It’s when money is used in society subversive activity it
      gets scary. There are still those burning people and saving money instead of
      burning money and saving people. Internet is power to the people..

      • sugarplumfairy

        You don’t say much, but when you do, it’s worth listening to..

        • Roger Larsson

          I have something basic; I have four lines making my critic journey easy.

          The whole world is a human beings I
          A human beings I is the whole world
          With billions of the same kind
          And even more with the same worth.

          Maybe it is something we all will follow one day?

      • richelieu jr

        At certain level of wealth, there is not difference between nations, corporations and individuals… It is all about power at that point…

    • sugarplumfairy

      Let’s hope the kid has uncensored Internet access..

      • Spackle Motion

        Likely he does, but if he’s also sipping the cult juice he won’t look.

        The Smith children are not headed in a good direction. Let’s hope that one of them actually has a brain. We may wind up with more Lindsay Lohans on our hands.

        • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

          Willow seems very smart. She pulled out of projects because she decided she did not want to be famous and work all the time. She wants to be allowed to be a kid, though her parents kept (and likely keep) pushing her. I think she’s going to have a lot of problems, but I also think she has a grounded enough personality to live through them and come out the other side.

    • dwayners13

      Yeah, but what good is it to have an education in wog; math, science, philosophy, etc if you don’t have the power of an OT 8. It’s like having a Porsche, but no key to start it. Besides an OT can just have cause over these subjects & BAM, POW, Wooosh he’s like a super hero!

    • MarionDee

      What is the reason that Scientology would go along with Smith remaining on the down-low? I can’t figure that out.

      • richelieu jr

        Because otherwise he’d split. And take his money with him.

        • MarionDee

          I assume they have an end-game of having him declare himself, then. Ideally, they would want both the star-power and the cash.

  • Espiando

    I know that the celebutards were the gateway into the movement for a lot of people here. Hell, a celebutard was Anon’s gateway into the movement. But is anyone else absolutely sick of them? I’m so sick of them that I want to break into media_lush’s account and change her avatar.

    I’ve never seen a Cruise movie (honestly, I haven’t; got turned off of him by that ode to American fascism, Top Gun). The only Travolta movies I’ve seen in the last twenty years have been Pulp Fiction and Hairspray. Haven’t cared about Fatso Alley since Cheers. Haven’t watched an episode of the Simpsons in twenty years or so. The only thing I’ve ever seen Jenna Elfman in was Looney Tunes: Back In Action, where she was out-acted by cartoon characters. And as for Will Smith, if the movie title doesn’t contain the words “In”, “Men”, and “Black”, I don’t give a shit. I surely can’t be the only person like this here.

    The moment I gave up on using the celebutard/Scientology connection happened during one of the monthly protests in late 2008, when we already knew that Smith was a closet Scino. So what did some of the other Anons do? Break into the Fresh Prince theme. It was already a stupid meme, made more stupid by the circumstances. If the Anons singing and dancing to it had used the opportunity to inform folks that Smith was probably involved with the Scis, perfectly fine. No, they did it because it’s a meme.

    More WBM. More Karen/AGP videos. Less celebutards.

    • Bella Legosi

      Always remember what Tarintino said about “Top Gun” in Reservoir Dogs……….changed my entire view of that movie forever!

      • Captain Howdy

        Can’t wait for the punch line any longer.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzY9a-WmE6o

        • 1subgenius

          Thanks. I hate being left hanging.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Lol.. That was great.. btw.. surgeons are a lot like fighter pilots.. just sayin..

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I remember reading an article about the over-riding confidence of surgeons, pilots, etc.
            It talked about how that perceived “arrogance” actually benefits them in those professions because they can (and will) make quick and committed decisions.

            Doesn’t make them particularly endearing though!

  • BuryTheNuts2

    CRAPTASTIC!

  • Observer

    Is Will Smith Big Being #4, or is he just an intern?

    • Bella Legosi

      I think he is a unofficial #4. They need a black face to put on the facade that really everyone is indeed welcome into this cult. You just have to be self centered, rich, and gullible!

      • Captain Howdy

        What about Louie ? Don’t disrespect the minister..you heathen.

        • Bella Legosi

          Honestly FUCK LOUIE “I AM AN INSANE, FEAR MONGERING, CHARLATAN” FARRAKHAN! Fuck him right up the ass with the penis of an arddvark or 10lb pineapple. I can not believe that Tom was given an award by the Nazi Hunter “Sam Wiesenthal Center” during the time Co$ was performing reach arounds for NoI. Shame on them.

          For SERIOUS. This man really needs to be given what NoI gave Malcolm X, plus more.

          “The Church of Scientology civilizes white people!”. W T F? People like Farrakhan really just need to be take out and shot, directly vaporized, and with out a memorial. The garbage this man spews out of his mouth is nothing but mind pollution that even real Muslims disagree with and really makes me think 1984 had something with “erasing” people from history as well as society. And I fucking HATE living in a world where 1984 is possible, so that is saying something.

          • Observer

            How do you really feel about him? Don’t hold back for our sakes. 😉

            • Bella Legosi

              That is the best Bella can do without making incriminating threats, which I try to abstain from! God forbid something awesome like that happens to Louie! I don’t like federal agencies and I really would not like to explain what I have written (plus Tony doesn’t need that shit on this blog, he’s got enough to contend with as it is with Co$ deeming us Bunkerites ‘terrorists’)

          • Captain Howdy

            Go Bella,. that’s the spirit!

  • Bella Legosi

    Another literary gem Tony!

    😀

    I have never held any hope for Will Smith and to hear he is under the Hubbard kool aid really doesn’t surprise me. They need a new black face for this cult. But Jada? NO NO NO! That’s my Peaches (reference to low budget 90’s flick with Keenen Ivory Waynes “Low Down Dirty Shame”) I really hate to think she takes in Co$ bullshit!

    Wonders never cease.

    • Espiando

      Jada will never fit into the cult. They already have a hippo in there with Alley.

    • Sherbet

      I watched a bit of Eddie Murphy’s “The Nutty Professor” the other night, and, Wow!, Jada was gorgeous. Now she has sort of an overexercised, pinched look to her face and body, but a few years ago, she was just plain pretty and glowing.

      • Bella Legosi

        Yep. $cientology’s “healthy” system of weight loss. I have heard rumors that she is a lesbian (I really care NOT if she is), so if that is the case and she isn’t able to audit the gay away would she be put in some sort of condition and IR, FPR for this? I have read some on these runddowns but haven’t in some time.

        She and Tupac went to high school together. She is very intelligent as well as beautiful, that is why I am surprised she would fall for this Co$ crap.

        “Bamboozled” I have to say was her very best performance. I caught that on cable last year and I really really liked it.

        • Observer

          Big egos make their owners susceptible to flattery and thus vulnerable to deception by the flatterers. From what I’ve seen over the years it appears the Pinkett and Smith egos have inflated quite a bit (my perception). The Scilons have had years of experience manipulating ego-heavy celebrities by fawning over them. I agree that Jada is beautiful and smart, but ego seems to trump intelligence a depressing amount of the time.

          • Bella Legosi

            You have a great point there!

            You soooooo have that job when I win the lottery!

            😀

            • Observer

              Yes!!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Reviews make me suspect Will was literally channeling a Miscavige word for word, scene for scene, as he did in Battlefield Earth.

    Let’s see, spaceship crashing into mountains, volcanic ash, emotional blunting, cold and wooden characters, stilted, rambling word salad….sounds scientological to me!

    Will getting his whole tracked? Possible. This reminds me of Hana Eltringham’s explanation of how and why a dutiful scientologist (especially when your fake navy boss is the Hub himself) conjures up a fake space opera experience:

    “In 1967, with his own navy of Scientologists, the Sea Organisation of Ron Hubbard set sail. Hana Eltringham, then 24, went with him. She had never crewed on a large ship before, but Hubbard detected that she was unusually well equipped for naval command.”
    HANA ELTRINGHAM:

    “Hubbard called me in to his cabin and stood right in the doorway of his cabin, fiddling with his E-meter and started asking me questions about when I had last been a captain. This could only be past lives because I
    had never been a captain in this life. So I started, you know, thinking back and came up with this past experience about being a space captain of a space ship and being blown up in space and the planet was being invaded and all this fighting and blasting going on and so forth, and at the end of it he peered over the E-meter at me and he said ‘Were you one of the Loyal Officers?’ and at that point I got this up-rush and I felt
    good. I must have been one of these Loyal Officers, I must have been one of the elite, you know.”

    http://www.xenu.net/entheta/entheta/media/tv/secret/secret3.html

    • Observer

      That link leads to some really horrifying stories. L. Ron Hubbard: he’s always worse than you think.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Ironic, ain’t it, that in the end, it was Hubbard’s readers who wrote the best stories. And yes, the bulk of them fall into Horror films.

    • richelieu jr

      I have read this story THDNE.. Where might I have come across it?

  • aquaclara

    Must be a Scilon requirement to make a movie about the cult. Wait, I see more patterns! The movies are all epic fails at the box office. They show the world exactly how nuts the leading actors are. They reinforce the impression that the cult is utter lunacy. Oh, and they don’t win Academy Awards.

    Who’s next? Kirstie?

    • VickiStubing

      Please, God, nooooo! It burns! It burns!

      • Get Chutney Love

        I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of lemurs cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

        • Espiando

          I’d prefer the sound of millions of lemurs crying out in terror to the sound of Sacha Baron Cohen attempting to sing “I Like To Move It, Move It” any day.

          And that’s the second Madagascar reference I’ve used in this thread. It is wrong that these films are the only accomplishment of Jada Pinkett Smith that I can think of?

  • ze moo

    Smith’s movie will live or die by the box office numbers. If it sells enough tickets to pay for itself and make a nice profit, it is a success. Shyamalan, like any director, takes any job he can. A paycheck is the motivating factor in Hollywood. Some of his movies are great, I loved Signs. I haven’t cared about any of his recent ones. He has sold enough tickets and dvds to be very employable.

    If having a crappy script were the kiss of death, Star Wars would never have been made or become a very successful franchise. I wonder how much input Will Smith had into the final script? I suspect it was a lot. Movie reviewers get attention by writing catchy lines into their reviews, tying clamatology to Will Smith is new angle for reviewers. The gossip rags have tied Will and Jada to the clams for some time, now the more respectable press is picking up on it. I like that.

    • Poison Ivy

      Smith is known as hands on in everything he does these days, much to the chagrin of those who used to like to work with him as an actor. He is a control freak, especially when his family and his own image are concerned. If you want Will at this point in his career, you don’t just get the actor, you get the producer, the script doctor, the backseat director and editor, ad nauseum.

      • ze moo

        Yeah, that approach seems to very common for the ‘big beings’, clams or not. That ‘all encompasing’ approach eventually pisses off everyone.

        • Poison Ivy

          It pisses people off but they will more than tolerate it as long as the money keeps rolling in. That is the Hollywood Way.

          Sadly, people who become “Big Beings” in their own mind – Scientologist or not – get that way because they are surrounded by self-serving “Yes” people who love bomb them day in and day out and protect them from any “entheta” that would reflect back a grounded image to them. Those “Yes” people may act obsequious and like they are doing it out of devotion, but they are doing it to keep their own job security/income/lifestyle secure. A very extreme example is Michael Jackson, whose “Yes” people basically killed him.

          With CO$, the obsequious “Yes” people have another motive which is to keep the celebrity happy within the cult.

          This is how basically good people become monsters. Happens every day and it’s really horrible to watch up close.

          • villagedianne

            As John Lennon said, Paraphrase: “The King [Elvis] was killed not by his enemies, but by his courtiers. They over-fed him, over-drugged him, and over-indulged him.”

  • BuryTheNuts2

    That Vulture article/interview is interesting. The Smiths are quite odd ducks.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    “He doesn’t need a Commanding Officer. He needs a father.”

    That gave me the chills, especially after reading all the comments I missed from yesterday’s thread. If only Will and Jaden would sit down and read it. In fact, I feel a need to thank every single one of you that responded with your own comments about the child neglect, every kind of abuse, the true picture of the scientology “family” in its true musical chairs comedy of horrors. I know that it was not easy or comfortable what you wrote. It is important the whole picture of life as a scientologist is known and the lies and PR bull buried once and for all.

    I had also been checking to see if certain scientology 2nd Gen’rs in the celeb rotation who all move in the same circles, including with the Smith family, were still “in”. Both their mother and father at one time were indeed, Commanding Officers, in PAC, (L.A. scientology megacenter), but also had many other positions. At least one of the girls wound up being raised by a different family member, aunt or grandma I believe. I remember when she was born. It was all hushed up when she was handed off and became one of the youngest “Disappeared”. The father last seen still as an Exec based in Flag as far as I can tell. It appears that mom and daughters have reconciled and none are on staff at least, too well connected and Beverly Hills money for that. I don’t mention their names because I don’t need the grief.

    I just wonder what these sci celeb 2nd and 3rd generations get out of scientology in its present ravenous and cannibalistic form? It’s not like it’s a career booster!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I want to know what is up with the funny accents?
      Will Smith sounds ridiculous.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Channeling Dan Sherman via David Miscavige via Tom Cruise? Maybe it got lost in blutooth distortion?

      • Captain Howdy

        Will sounds like he’s trying to do Morgan Freeman with an english accent.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          It is flipping annoying as hell!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yeah, that’s it. I wonder if Smith is getting “training” at one of the scientologist’s art/acting/modeling groups, like Masterson’s group. Nothing will sap your intellect, skills, creativity, judgment, and natural ability faster than training from a scientologist’s “expert of nothing, authority on everything” class.

        • Poison Ivy

          I thought he was trying to do Sidney Poitier.

  • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonathan Jacobsen

    “After Earth” is coming out next Wednesday in France: should I post a few reviews or would that be kicking a man when he’s down?

    (What am I saying? Over here, they might like it: stranger things have happened, believe me.)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Post that baby, Johnny!

      • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonathan Jacobsen

        My people are talking to his people!

        • juliusstahl

          Lulz.

    • 1subgenius

      You mean Jerry Lewis?

      • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonathan Jacobsen

        Okay, that’s uncanny: you read my mind.

        They wheeled Lewis out at Cannes last week for his new film, a small-scale independent production that looks as if it might be worth a look.

        Even he couldn’t quite believe they still love him here, so he played it crotchety, full of vim and piss — and of course, they lapped it up.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/25/jerry-lewis-cannes_n_3336708.html

        Still, after King of Comedy, I can forgive him a lot.

        • 1subgenius

          Yeah, King of Comedy. Its on my list to re-watch.

          Love the scene where a woman pesters him on the street. A big fan, until he has to refuse her repeated requests, as he is in a hurry to be somewhere.

          She turns on him with a vengence.

          Very telling.
          I actually saw an audience boo Ray Charles because he wouldn’t do yet another encore.
          How fucked up is that? They love him so much they want him to do another encore, but hate him when he won’t.
          People just ain’t no good. (Nick Cave)

        • Spackle Motion

          King of Comedy was a great film although I’m told it was Lewis acting like himself in most scenes.

          There’s a great documentary about Lewis that I saw a year or two ago (don’t recall the title) but it really illustrates his behind the scenes talent and all of the work he put into his movies in the background. After seeing how much hard work he put into it all, I can forgive his notorious asshole personality and inane comedic stylings.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            That was a great film. (King of Comedy)

          • Get Chutney Love

            It’s unclear, however, if Lewis will ever forgive himself for “The Day the Clown Cried”, as Harry Shearer put it:

            “With most of these kinds of things, you find that the anticipation, or
            the concept, is better than the thing itself. But seeing this film was really awe-inspiring, in that you are rarely in the presence of a perfect object. This was a perfect object. This movie is so drastically wrong, its pathos and its comedy are so wildly misplaced, that you could not, in your fantasy of what it might be like, improve on what it really is. “Oh My God!” – that’s all you can say.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Clown_Cried

            • Captain Howdy

              “The Day the Clown Cried” is the Holy Grail of cult movies. Supposedly Lewis has it locked in a safe somewhere. It will never see the light of day : (

            • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonathan Jacobsen

              Ouch!

            • richelieu jr

              That’s from his SPY magazine description, as I recall….

            • Get Chutney Love

              Yep. A rare enconium from a notorious comedian.

          • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonathan Jacobsen

            I got the same impression from King of Comedy, which in a way makes him even funnier (and I confess I loved him when I was a kid). Curious to see his new film.

        • Missionary Kid

          I haven’t been too respectful of Lewis, but he did an appearance on Law and Order Special Victim’s unit that was just brilliant.

          • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonathan Jacobsen

            Strange how aging comics can do quite effective straight roles. I suppose the casting against type gives it more impact.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s much harder for straight actors to do comedy than vice versa.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

          And remember the years and years he put on the Muscular Dystrophy telethon. Hard work for no personal reward: he did not have to do that.

      • Captain Howdy

        They loved Iggy, Mc5, Flamin Groovies long before it was cool for the squares to do so. Weird thing is they seem totally incapable of doing it themselves.

        • 1subgenius

          I’m big in Japan.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

            I’m huge in Belgium

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I am gigantic in horizontal stripes.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              zing…

        • Espiando

          I’ve heard some Stinky Toys tracks. They really weren’t too bad, and they did play the 100 Club Festival. Then again, so did a slapped-together, just-formed Siouxsie and the Banshees with Sid on drums and Marco on guitar.

          But in general, yeah, French music sort of died after Piaf and Gainsbourg, and it’s never come back. Brel is a different kettle of fish.

          • Captain Howdy

            Stinky Toys were OK. Les Thugs is the best french band I’ve heard so far.

            And of course they’ll always have Plastic Bertrand to their credit.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32SkxLCZz_o

            • richelieu jr

              Plastic Bertrand is Belgian.

            • Captain Howdy

              I knew that, and I was waiting for you to point that out, thus depriving you guys of even that small nugget of rock’n’roll win.

            • richelieu jr

              Damn you Captain Howdy!! Always one stop ahead of us Frenchies!

          • Scientia

            Err…get with the times, Gramps. EDM is where it’s at and France is home to some of the world’s best.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NV6Rdv1a3I

            • Captain Howdy

              EMD? Excretable Disco Muzak?

        • richelieu jr

          French Rock, and indeed music in general (phoenix and daft punk aside) is pretty dire, it’s true…

      • richelieu jr

        I am obliged to point out that 90% of French people have no idea who Jerry Lewis is.. The whole ‘A genius in France’ thing has to do with an award he was given decades ago, and a bit of fandom from a magazine… (and possibly the greatest success of CIA disinformation in history…)

    • villagedianne

      My theory is the French seem to love seeing Americans be over-the-top ridiculous. I guess they think it shows who we really are.

      • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonathan Jacobsen

        You might have something there. They have a love-hate relationship with the US, but the actually seem to take US popular culture more seriously than the Americans.
        The trouble is, some of their celebrity interviews on the mainstream news programmes are toe-curlingly obsequious. I recall one interviewer asking Woody Allen what it was that made him such a genius. I mean, what was he supposed to answer?

        • richelieu jr

          Well, we have a special place for Woody…

        • juliusstahl

          “I recall one interviewer asking Woody Allen what it was that made him such a genius. I mean, what was he supposed to answer?”

          Surely the Prince of Bel Air must answer something like Hubbard or Scientology, though he will dissemble, all the better to smoke him out.

          Journalist: “Dites-moi s.v.p., Monsieur Will, what has been the influence of the well-known genius auteur of le monde féerique of “le space opera” upon your own oeuvre?”

    • Jgg2012

      I heard that Jerry Lewis is especially popular in France because he typifies what the French think the average American is like. Maybe “After Earth” typifies what the average clam thinks?

    • richelieu jr

      And I will gladly help you in pitting up reviews, Jonathan, if you like. I like kicking $cilons when they are down, up, sideways or otherwise…

    • juliusstahl

      Oh please, Jonny, n’hésite pas! And what is French for Schadenfreude?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      POST ‘EM!

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Geez Tony, have you been peeking into my head? LOL. I had a sleepless night, and I spent it down a Will Smith / After Earth / M Night rabbit-hole. Now, here it is as your post! Whoa! :)

    It strikesme that many of the articles I’ve seen are remarking on Will’s fading career, and how he’s lost his charisma and humor and become wooden and self-serious. We all know Scientology will do that to you. What amazes me is that some of these reporters are mentioning it. Didn’t take long for the Crazy to taint his image, not like the Amazing TC…

    • Poison Ivy

      Perhaps his career is fading, but his power is not. I know someone with a project that has been in development for a while that just shot to the top of the green light list because Smith took a meeting on it. The losing the charisma stuff is definitely “Hubbard Tech” at work, though.

      • Chocolate Velvet

        Yeah, the drawing power of a name, in itself, is not to be dismissed. Opening weekend — can you bring them in? Same thing still works for a lot of fading stars. Also, it seems Will also sank a big chunk of his own money into this project — being rich as hell always helps.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          He put his own cash down on this? oh my.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Found another clue! The name of ship “Hesper”: George Hey, 1952, “Flight of the Hesper”, Dianeticist.

    http://andrewdarlington.blogspot.com/2012/10/sf-interview-george-hay-by-space.html

    [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/f1legk.jpg[/IMG]

    • Espiando

      Then again, it could just be a reference to “Wreck of the Hesperus”. You really can’t go wrong with Longfellow.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Just added excerpt about Hay

        • Espiando

          Nice substantiation, but it still could be a case of A -> B and A -> C (where A is Longfellow’s poem, B is Hay’s substandard space opera, and C is the multimillion-dollar abomination on our screens), rather than A -> B -> C. The latter is still a possibility, but considering the obscurity of B, I’m more apt to pimp for the former.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            But it was fun!

            • Espiando

              Well, if we know anything from our study of Scientology, it’s that nothing in it or done by practitioners of it is original.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Actually, it was his practitioners who were the original sources, although some Hub pinched from earl 30’s and 40’s. Hubbard was such a User. It amazes me each time I find out who was responsible for another piece of the puzzle. Then he would gobble it up, chew on it, then spit out. Some times there were useful or worthwhile bits, but he ruined and tainted anything he touched. The Hubbard Touch. It’s like a Black Hole Vacuum that just sucks all the life or beauty or love or art out of anything it runs over.

              Exhibit A: Any scientology artist.

            • Missionary Kid

              McCabbage has little experience in Wogworld, so he doesn’t understand it, or that someone might have some fond memories of it that Co$ tries to suppress.

    • Observer

      At first glance I read the blurb announcement as “A Yam For Science-Fiction Enthusiasts.” I despise yams.

      • ze moo

        If cats like them, they can’t be bad.

        • Observer

          As cats eat any number of revolting things, I do not look to them as arbiters of my food preferences.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I have to dump a hill of honey, cinnamon, ginger and cloves and butter, and pepper and a pinch of salt for my hubby to eat them. So much for healthy alernative to white potato.

        • sister wendy

          Hungry!

      • VickiStubing

        Careful or you might start a war between the yam lovers/haters and the sweet potato purists.

        • Observer

          They’re welcome to it. In fact, they can have my share of both. There are two foods which, when I remember the taste, make me physically gag: sweet potatoes/yams, and any variety of squash. Something about the combination of taste and texture.

          • VickiStubing

            Sorry to hear that–I love them all! Maybe MissionaryKid has a recipe that will change your mind. She’s opened the world of Swedish cooking to me 😀

            • Missionary Kid

              BTW, I’ve been male since conception. The Marine Corps would be surprised to find out I was a woman. Last time I looked, I still am male. 😀

              Naw, I don’t really have a recipe that’ll change your mind. I do hate candied yams, though. They’re too friggin’ sweet. I’ve always wondered why the hell someone would take something like that with a lot of natural sugars and add sugar in the form of marshmallows.

              Regular yams or sweet potatoes, I nuke, just like I do potatoes, until they’re soft. Be sure to puncture them before you put them in the microwave, or you can have a real mess when it explodes. (I also use this recipe on potatoes).

              I saute onions, bell peppers, and garlic (which I add late) separately in olive oil, and when the tuber is done, I split it open & mash the sauteed mixture into it. If you don’t have fresh garlic, use garlic powder, but just sprinkle it over the whole thing just before you put some butter or margarine and grated cheese on top and nuke it about 30 seconds to melt the cheese. Salt and pepper to taste. If you want the onion flavor to be stronger, shorten up on the saute time. Time to prep and cook, about 15 minutes. It’s a complete meal.

              Yes, the saute is sweet, but not a whole bunch. 😉

            • VickiStubing

              A thousand apologies, my MALE friend. I don’t think I’ve seen any reference to your gender before but all the foodie talk led me to a wrong conclusion. I don’t know why, since I talk food with more men than women. In fact, Imma pass along your recipe to my Dad.

              Oh, and H-to-the-ELL NO on putting marshmallows on yams! My SIL does that and it drives me crazy. Ruin a fine thing like that. No no no.

            • Missionary Kid

              No apology necessary. I’ve kept a lot of personal details ambiguous because this group deals with Co$, and I don’t trust them.

              I’m not a real foodie. I can appreciate stuff, but I tend to fix stuff that’s quick and easy.

              When I nuke potatoes, I use Yukon Golds. Sometimes, I slice the potatoes down the middle once they’ve cooked for a while and put onions in the slice for the last several minutes, along with margarine or butter, then, when the potato is done, I mash the onions, together with butter, garlic powder, and cheese into the potato. It’s not as tasty as the saute, but it’s less work.

            • VickiStubing

              Hey, thanks for the incredible post on the previous story. It is very much appreciated, but I can’t do justice to a thoughtful response right now. Have a great evening!

          • sister wendy

            I love yams….but the affair didn’t start until recently

    • ze moo

      The first ‘generational starship was “Universe” ( book is ‘orphans of the sky) by Robert Heinlein in 1941. George Hey seems to have borrowed much of his work directly from Heinlein. Many authors ‘borrow’ ideas from each other. Brian Aldiss (a fairly good author otherwise) used the same theme in 1961.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Hay, I edited my typo. The writers of that time period were an interesting club, that’s for sure.

        But I didn’t remember Hay as being the one responsible for bringing Hub to Britain.

  • InTheNameOfXenu

    If Smith is headed down the Scientology path his career will soon be doomed.

  • Rachel Heidi

    The idea that Will Smith came up with this idea from his full-track auditing is intriguing and not without validity. It’s obvious to anyone with knowledge about the beliefs and practices of Scientology that his new film is a reflection of El Ron’s ethics. Anyone else notice that every celeb who doesn’t want to admit to being a Scieno says they are a “student of world religions?” I KNOW I’ve read other interviews with the Smiths and other closeted-Scienos where they’ve said the same thing.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      One would think that being ashamed of your belief’s would be a good indicator to the adherent that maybe a re-think of said belief’s is in order!

      • Poison Ivy

        I don’t think it’s being ashamed of the belief. I think it’s a very smart marketing move, realizing that publicizing their involvement in CO$ would hurt the Smiths’ popularity and thus lessen their power. They got to watch it happen to Tom Cruise – and Smith doesn’t want it to happen to him.

        • VickiStubing

          But don’t they think about WHY public knowledge would hurt their rep? That seriously never crosses their mind? Do they think the world is full of bigots? Enough people know about Cruise and still go to see his schlock.

          • Poison Ivy

            “Do they think the world is full of bigots?” Yes. Hey, read Marty’s response to Tony’s review! Anyone who disagrees is a bigot, even to an indie!!

            What I want to know is – and maybe Tony can figure this out – HOW do they exist within the church hierarchy as “secret Scientologists”? I imagine they get auditing services, etc. at their home (and hey, they founded their own school for their kids). But there must be Scientologists who have audited them, or done courses with them, etc. etc. Are there any eye-witness accounts of these things? Does COB have tapes of them, too (like he does with TC?) or were the Smiths too smart to allow this? Does he have PC folders for them? Do they go to Gold Base and/or Flag and get treated like royalty, the way TC and other celebs do? I have a first-person confirmation from a source I trust that Jada is a Scientologist, but is there any other hard physical evidence? And if not, how do they pull that off?

            • Espiando

              If Cruise is Scientology Jesus, Will Smith is Scientology’s Holy Ghost.

              And you bet your ass they’ve got PC folders, ready for use at any point. Also, we wouldn’t have known about Cruise’s secret auditing during his return to the cult if Marty hadn’t come out and said that he did house calls. So not seeing our least-favorite power couple go into a CC doesn’t really absolve them from the charges. As for getting into Int Base, they could be helicoptered in, and since no one is really allowed out of there other than DM, we’d never find out.

            • richelieu jr

              I know I ask this a lot, but do you have the link?

            • sister wendy

              When I was at Weenie CC in Europe due to my location, I had many talks with the ED about this topic. And they were actually really clear and (at the time, I thought;) super supportive. I did NOT want to be local poster child, do any interviews or be known as a scientologist- and they were perfectly willing to accommodate me. The Smiths have way more money and way more clout- I’m sure if they don’t want to be hassled- they don’t have to be. My guess is that the CC controller knows that in time they will experience some “ruin” being fixed, or have enough wins that they will be overcome and be more fanatically supportive in time….;(

          • Karen715

            Another reason could be that they do not want to lose their popularity with their African-American fanbase. African-Americans tend to have strong religious affiliations, largely Christian, and are likely to look askance at a non-Abrahamic faith.

            I remember a few years ago Will saying that there is nothing in Scientology that conflicts with the Bible. (I wish I could remember what magazine that was.) In a piece in Essence magazine, Doug E. Fresh said something like being a Scientologist didn’t mean he’d turned his back on God. (That’s a paraphrase, I don’t remember exactly how he put it.)

            I remember thinking both times “Woo-boy, either they are lying their faces off, or they haven’t got beyond the “feel-good” early courses yet.” In either scenario, I saw those particular words as pandering to the perceived religiosity of African-Americans. Of course, it they ran into little old African-American me, they’d get the shock of their lives, since my response would be “So what? I don’t believe in the Bible, either.”

            I was very upset when I read Will’s words in particular. I was a fan, and thought he was a fairly smart guy. (IIRC, he was accepted to MIT, but didn’t pursue it.)

            • richelieu jr

              You can see him say that on YouTube..

              Just put in Will Smith and Scientology…

            • Karen715

              Thanks, I appreciate the verification. I think I’ll forgo the search though. Just thinking about that bullshit makes me angry.

            • sister wendy

              I was so hoping that the Smith family really was just an interesting, alternative, creative family….sigh…guess not. Maybe Celebrity Sci Land will just be a playground for awhile and they won’t get too into it….hopefully

          • sister wendy

            see- here I am, on the other side of the planet- already 8 hours behind….! No- we DON’T think about why public knowledge would hurt our rep. We are taught (and believe) that other people are just not in the “know”. They do a brilliant job of teaching you to think that everyone ELSE is brainwashed, or (more insultingly) really not able or interested to think about things deeply enough to reflect on them intelligently. However there is a giant disconnect between being taught that AND knowing that other people and wogs would hurt our reputation. They prep us to simultaneously keep things “secret” so we will be “protected” and creating “safe points” so we can bring people in….it’s weird. But you only see it when you leave.

            • VickiStubing

              Hi again! -frantic waving-

              You all are such intelligent people, I cannot fathom the mindf*ck y’all went through. It is just unbelievable that humans can do this stuff to each other. But I am so glad you have come out and are so pleasant to boot. And I’m honored to know you 😀

            • sister wendy

              waving back! Hey over there/here;) Thanks- it’s great to get the support. Still dealing with stuff and getting through things;) Being here helps….I wasn’t sure it would, but it does.

            • Kim O’Brien

              we tell some great jokes too 😉 and serve drinks

            • sister wendy

              yeah- the bar fare is looking pretty good, I must say.

        • sister wendy

          exactly

    • villagedianne

      Ha! It would be more accurate if these celebs said they were a “student of world cults”.

  • ze moo
    • juliusstahl

      Of course, We wouldn’t want to rouse the wrath of the Hollywood Scientology Mafia now, would we?

      • Get Chutney Love

        They do mention his acting as not being very good, which would argue for ‘improvement’ of some sort under the banner of Scientology.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    Smith has been in the limelight so long, he’s been blinded about his actual importance. Spending $150 million for a poorly-conceived sermon, is fodder for mental-health professionals.
    Sorry to say, but if Smith is latching on to Scientology in this “age of enlightenment”, he is very disturbed indeed.
    In Europe, once the smell of Scientology is in the water, the critics will savage this film. I am going to try and find a good review, from some rag, that you can pick up free on the way out the grocery store.
    I’ll post IF I can find one.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    Sure…after Roger Ebert is safely dead do they use his name in a movie review: http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/after-earth-2013
    I didn’t have to go far for this one…

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Finally watched part 2 of Carol Nyburg’s video. Some days it is hard for me to comprehend why Indie’s can Now see that Miscavige not only Knew about the horror and suffering, he Ordered it… but can’t see that that Hubbard not only Knew about the horror and suffering, he Ordered it.

    Well, it took some of these Indie’s almost 30 years to Hear Us when we told them about Miscavige. So I guess in 2043 some of you young things here will have to be the ones to give them their Welcome Back to Earth survival kits when they Hear Us about Hubbard. Make sure there’s lots of popcorn and alcoholic beverages in that kit. Oh, and toilet paper.

  • Kevin Tighe

    After Earth/Scientology near top of Drudge Report. I can also personally confirm Will Smith and his wife have had Scientology auditing as far back as 2006.

    • media_lush

      Could you possibly elaborate a little?

      • Kevin Tighe

        The short story is that there was a mission sent out by Celebrity Center International to extract a very particular African-American auditor from a particular organization as the Smiths only wanted to be audited by an African-American auditor. This particular auditor was the only one deemed qualified.

        • media_lush

          hmmm, interesting, thanks.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            and that would be a very short list. hmmmm

            • media_lush

              I guess you know more than I do but this bit was kind of a giveaway:

              “In 1985, he received a proclamation from Mayor Tom Bradley of Los Angeles for his “outstanding contributions to the community and the city in promoting and encouraging youth to resist drugs”.”

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh yeah, that does confirm it! He is in the grips of Miscavige then. I just hope Michael Tilse doesn’t see his name or he’ll be seeing red…again. I just hope, if this is true, that Will or Jada have some Real friends who will warn them that Everything they say, in or out of session, to Any scientologist will be used to manipulate them, and later, blackmail them. That includes going after any of their family and that they need to know scientology means telling your mom, dad, sister, brother, uncle, aunt, cousin, daughter, son to give Miscavige All their money and every minute of their time and if they refuse, they become a NonPerson.

              Oh, and the secret hidden cameras and videos.

          • Kevin Tighe

            I don’t follow that logic. I’preferred male auditors. Does that make me misogynistic?

            • media_lush

              No, not at all. The logic is sound.

              It’s like me going to a surgery and saying I would prefer to be treated by a male doctor…..no problem, however, if I asked to be treated by a white doctor ….. big problem; see the difference?

            • Kevin Tighe

              That he’s a racist? If so, I don’t see that. I’m sure it’s more along the lines of who he feels he can relate to in an intimate setting such as an auditing session is. The real problem is that it puts the preclear in the drivers seat of the session which is not a good if you believe that the auditor and case supervisor should be running the show.

            • media_lush

              it’s more of a “technically speaking” racist kind of interpretation I was getting at…. if he was white and insisted on a white auditor then, of course it would be racist…. which was the point I was getting at. I’m sure he thought he wasn’t being racist but I was just highlighting what a minefield being PC [politically correct in this case] is nowadays.

            • Kevin Tighe

              I think one has to tread very carefully when playing the racist card. If you’ve ever met a true racist then you know what I mean.

            • sister wendy

              There are a lot of things really f**d about the process- but the necessity to be PC in anyway, shape, or form just doesn’t factor into the picture, imho. They don’t buy into it at all. Maybe it was where I was living…..

            • Observer

              I believe the whole show should be shut down.

            • Kevin Tighe

              These days I think if you told a hospital you prefer to be treated by a male doctor it would be an issue but obviously race is a hotter button than that for many. But an auditing session is a bit different and I think it simply has to do with the fact that an African-American might feel they can relate better to another African-American in such an intimate situation. Those of us who’ve been audited by exceptional auditors know that it doesn’t matter one way or the other whether you can relate to the auditor as it is their technical skill that makes the difference. So no, I do not buy into the idea that this is a racist issue in regards to wanting an African-American auditor. I would also point out that I can understand that many African-Americans might have “charge” on white people and that a white auditor might stir that charge up; something that would be hard for the pre clear to confront – a very reason that a good case supervisor would ignore the pre-clears request for an African-American auditor. I know I personally always felt more comfortable being audited by male auditors but somehow 95% of my auditors always turned out to be female. I suspect that may have been by design.

            • VickiStubing

              But in past lives you could have been a woman or a man, black or white or any color in between, or a monkey, or some creature Hubtard invented. Who cares what type of auditor you prefer in this lifetime since it doesn’t matter? This strikes me as odd.

            • Kevin Tighe

              Perhaps in theory you are right but you might feel differently if you’re having to tell a 14-year-old male auditor (if you’re a woman) the most intimate details of your sexual life or if you’re a man doing the same with a 14-year-old female auditor.

            • VickiStubing

              Well, I would for sure, but that’s why I’m not a Sciloon.

            • Kevin Tighe

              LOL! Luckily I never had to experience it either but I have a good friend who had to deal with it. But you really haven’t lived until you get to experience what is colloquially known as a “gang bang sec check” or in other words a Scientology security check with several people in the room breathing down your neck. Such spiritual bliss only available from Scientology.

            • sister wendy

              It depends on who you feel it’s easiest to speak with. That changes with everyone;) Just like having a therapist;)

            • sugarplumfairy

              Good point..

  • BosonStark

    $150 million — that’s obscene. SAFETY NOT GUARANTEED (2012) is a comedy with a sci-fi touch, that was written well, acted quite well, and had a budget of $750,000. I loved it. It was so fresh, different, and fun.

    I guess they are trying to repeat Avatar’s success. Maybe after this, they’ll realize that anything remotely Hubbard-like is guaranteed box office disaster.

    • Missionary Kid

      Let’s call it, “The kiss of Hubbard.”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I just wrote something about “The Hubbard Touch”. It’s kind of like a cross between the Midas Touch and the Kiss of Death”.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

          The “Minus” touch

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I love that. Winner!

        • Missionary Kid

          I chuckled at that, because I’ve said about different people, “He has the Midas touch. Everything they touch turns to shit.”

      • juliusstahl

        “Le baiser de Hubbard” – Cela me fait grand plasir.

    • Poison Ivy

      $150mil is up there but not at all out of range for major studio tent pole “blockbusters.” And any movie with Will Smith is considered a tent pole blockbuster; he has that much power.
      We’ll see how the box office reacts to this one. If the movie makes significant money, it’ll be a franchise, bad reviews, Scientology notwithstanding.

      In other news, I knew Jada was seriously CO$ but always felt Will was more of the “follower” in the relationship; sort of Nicole Kidman to Jada’s Tom Cruise. Perhaps this movie indicates otherwise.

      Curious about how COB feels about one of the world’s biggest box office stars – bigger than Cruise at the moment – following the religion but being too ashamed to say so publicly. That in itself says something, doesn’t it?

      • Bella Legosi

        :*-(

        Poison thank you for touching on Jada’s relationship with Co$. They have been so damn evasive when it is brought up, I was really hoping she was the “follower”. However, when she was asked about shoving Co$ down the throats of school kids, her reply about that being “straight evil to IMPLY such a thing!” made me really think that yes, she is a kool aid drinker. What I got out of that statement wasn’t it’s evil to press one religion upon another inadvertently or covertly, but HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT ME!! The reply of, “That is just straight evil to imply that I do this” to me is a subtle attack on the person asking a very valid question. It answered some of my questions about her, but I tried telling myself, No……she’s not taken the kool aid too far. I guess I am wrong

        • Poison Ivy

          She was always a spiritual seeker so perhaps she was easy prey; I don’t have any idea how they first got their hooks in her. It always shocks me how super intelligent people like Jada get involved in this criminal enterprise.

          • Davka

            I admit it, I really like Will Smith – the idea he’s caught in CoS makes me sad :(

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Because it has nothing to do with the region of the brain that deals in intelligence. Emotions, Judgment, and Hormonal glands have much more to do with it. And when you get into the “wins” category, you have to pass through the spatial and neurological centers. Scientology is a tour through many netherlands of the brain, but the Intelligence Section is a Forbidden Zone.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve said for a long time that there’s no connection between emotions and intelligence.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Perhaps this movie tanking, and the critics associating the tanking with Scientology, will drive other celebrities deeper into the closet about being members of the church. On the other hand, this situation, coupled with the ongoing exposure of Miscavige’s abuses, could cause some major celebrity-breaks with the church.

        By the way, the assumption by the movie critics that Scientology is bad is interesting. You can bet that two years ago, the critics would not have been so open about that assumption. The openness is clearly related to the unending exposes of Miscavige’s abuses. Perhaps the fact that the movie critics make no distinction between Scientology and the Church of Scientology will force those Scientologists who hate Miscavige, and who are still in the church, to wake up to the fact that Miscavige’s escalating abuses, and their failure to stop him, has destroyed their church.

      • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

        Oh, Will’s in all right, up to his eyebrows. Check out recent interviews he’s given. The stuff he says about children and parenthood is 100% Scientology.

  • villagedianne

    I’ve heard the term “Truth Rundown” a lot in my years as a Scientology watcher, but I never realized how evil it is. Question: Is the Truth Rundown practiced outside the RPF? I’m assuming it is, but I’d like to know for sure.

    • scnethics

      I’ve been a “public” (non-staff-member) scientologist for a very long time. The first time I heard “The Truth Rundown” was in reference to the Tobin and Childs article. This is definitely not something they sell at Flag :)

  • Bob

    Within the church grapevine that I am connected there has been no rumors or sightings of Will Smith at Celebritardy Centre. But they could be keeping it totally under wraps. There is a special Parking area and entrance and course area for celebrity Sciebots. But at this point there seems to be only the Smiths connection through applied scholastics and Tom Crooz. Although I am around many scielons I am not connected to the inner circle groups on a regular basis. But I will start asking some questions to hear what I can find out.
    Will Smith coming out as a clam would make some fairly big waves.

    • Poison Ivy

      I asked below, I imagine they get auditing etc. at their home. So there must be church staff who have provided these services over the years; perhaps some have left?

    • sugarplumfairy
      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Yea, his use of the concept and words “at effect”, are a damning indica. Possibly it could come from contact-transfer from the Cruiser, but it seems a bit more sheep-dipped than that. Especially when he realizes he gave it away and then resorts to obfuscation.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Damn, did he not read “1984”? Or worse, did he read it, and Still thinks two plus two = 5 if that’s what he Believes?

        When I sit down at the kitchen table to work out budgets and pay bills, I would like to Believe that there are lots of zero’s behind my bank balance number. I Want to believe, I really really do. But for those of us who don’t start out with that balance having 10 zero’s in it already, we have to Believe in real math. Because in the real world, if we don’t, we lose our home, our car, our jobs, our credit, and possibly the people who were counting on us to know how to count.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        How articulate!

      • Captain Howdy

        I pity the fool!

        An oldie from the pages of E.D:

        Now this is a story all about when
        My soul got infested by space aliens
        And I’d like to take a minute, just lean back and sit
        I’ll tell you how I came to believe in some really stupid shit.

        In a studio in Hollywood, young and brash
        On a sitcom is where I made most of my cash
        Chillin’ out, acting and raking in the green
        Making movies and a TV show that everyone’s seen
        Till a couple stars, they were up to some shit
        Got me to read Dianetics and I was diggin’ it
        I got in one little chat with my man Tom Cruise
        He said, “If you get with Scientology you just can’t lose!”

        I paid for an audit, and when I was read
        It said I had all kinds of thetans and engrams in my head
        If anything, I could say these guys had no cred
        But I thought, “Naw, forget it. I wanna get ahead!”

        I pulled up to the Centre about 7 or 8
        And I yelled to my friends, “Yo SPs, smell ya later!”
        I looked at my e-meter, and it started to beep
        To guide me on my path as a new Scifag creep.

        • sugarplumfairy

          I pity the kids..

      • Bob

        SPF, yes, sure sounds like he has been drinking the kool aid. But he’s careful not to sound too much like a clam but the indicators are there.

    • Captain Howdy

      Hi Bob. Hope everything is good.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Truth Rundown: This explanation by Bruce was excellent. I didn’t know what it involved before this. The part about collecting up the “KRs”, (Knowledge Reports) of anytime you had a bad thought about Hubbard or Miscavige I didn’t know. The rest of the procedure, once you get to the first time you had the negative thought, seems to be straight “False Purpose Rundown”.

    I had a few hundred hours of FPRD. The focus on evil intention resulted in believing I was evil. That I had been evil many, many times over quadrillions of years. Staring into that void, looking for an evil intention, you create them because it is expected that you find them. You have been convinced that the E-meter read the auditor sees confirms the reality of what you ‘find’. Really, it confirms nothing. The E-meter reads just as well on memories you create as on memories of things you really experienced. No difference.

    Linking these invented evil intentions to your observations about a person will cripple your ability to see. You will continually doubt your perceptions, second guessing anything negative as coming from within.

    Being convinced I was evil made me believe that my only salvation was more auditing, more scientology. It linked me more firmly into its matrix. It was probably only that they were obviously violating what I knew to be standard technical procedures and the auditors code that kept me questioning what they were doing to me, even as it was driving me toward suicide.

    I think this sort of mind warp is what is at the root of the “loosing my eternity” fear. I did fear that without scientology and the ability to continue in it, I would again become ‘evil’. Scientology itself is evil for doing that to me.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks for that. Again, you have hit it straight on. It is hard to explain why all these aging men and women are desperately clinging to their cruel master no matter how much he continues to drain and sprain their brains and bank accounts. Scientology is the original False Memory whip except the mirror is more of an Alice in Wonderland looking glass. It’s not a false memory of some evil monster hurting you. In the scientology mirror, You are the Monster and only drinking Hubbard’s potions will make you small again. Eventually you find yourself flailing in a sea of the stuff, trying to keep from drowning, but no matter how hard and heavy you stroke, you never seem to get anywhere. Scientology is Not harmless!

      [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/4q1sw8.jpg[/IMG]

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I think the ‘truth rundown’ might be a follow on, created after the procedure called “rollback”. Rollback was evidently conceived as the way to trace back ‘disaffected thought’ to some imagined provocateurs who had infiltrated staff and were spreading dissent. The idea was to ‘rollback’ the ‘enemy line’ to who originally spread that idea. Everyone who had said or expressed that ‘enemy line’ was given a session to locate where they heard it from, in the belief it would eventually show who was the SP who started it.

        When I was in SMI Int, then based just off the horseshoe entrance to the main building of ‘big blue’, I was given a ‘rollback’ session.

        I had expressed disagreement with SMI falsifying the # of ‘missions’ statistic. I had seen where these stats were being reported uplines, that included missions that had actually disappeared, or were not even in operation yet. Right in that era, Scientology had dropped all the numbers and dates from the statistic graphs shown at events, so public couldn’t actually compare them with previously reported stats.

        Anyway, ‘John’ took me in session to find out who told me the stats were false. After about 2 hours he gave up, because I kept telling him I had seen them myself, seen the lists, noticed for myself that some ‘missions’ either had been invented, or were not operating yet, or were missions that had actually been shut down earlier.

        So, I imagine the ‘truth rundown’ came from not finding any infiltrators, but staff who had in fact seen behavior they thought was wrong. So the solution was to ‘discover’ (implant) a reason they would ‘invent’ or misperceive these things as wrong. Done thoroughly enough, anything a staff member sees that is wrong or against policy or an ‘outpoint’, (something that doesn’t seem right), would automatically start an internal thought process that discounted their perception and then a mental search for their own overts and evil intentions. Who needs police? The arrest is provided by their own mind.

        • MarionDee

          That is brilliantly said.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Oh my. Just saw this. Damn, we must have been yet again guinea pigs, Michael. When Miscavige first swooped down at PAC, I remember something like what you describe as a rollback. It was new to me. I too named some things very wrong, had all the references, blah blah, and when it became clear I was supposed to have done something, not someone else, I just told them I was done and had to get back to post. Maybe they were too stunned to stop me, or maybe since I was a guinea pig, they didn’t know what to do. Definitely when I was near the exit door. It truly has gotten so much worse when I never would have thought it possible. Then again, I can’t believe so many are paying for sec checks and doing so many of them. I mean, who does that?

        • Exterrier

          This was invented by the communists. “Self Criticism” sessions were mandatory in prison camps, and also as a regular process within each active communist cel. Only the scn version appears even worse. Of course, LRON studied that stuff, and even forged a book about it, so he knew the techniques of evil.

      • Captain Howdy

        i wonder how many of those kids that Polar Bear could eat in one sitting?

        • Robert Eckert

          But then he couldn’t go back in the pool for an hour!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You are so lovable, cap’n.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      That was a good read. I am so glad you made it outta there!

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Thanks! I guess you’re not still mad at me for yesterday’s post. ?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I was mad at you?

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            There was something about whacking…..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              hmmmmm.
              Well, I must be over it then!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Yay!

        • richelieu jr

          I am glad to hear the whacking is off today!

          You hear that every body? WHACK… OFF! WHACK OFF! WHACK OFF, everybody!!!

          • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

            What happened to fapping?

            • richelieu jr

              O sheesh, that! Fapping is like, SO three posts ago!

            • Xenu, Lord of Kobol

              SO for emphasis or SO for Sea Org?

              I think either works.

            • richelieu jr

              Ha! What are three posts in a billion year contract?

              The problems of three little posts don’t amount to an anthill in this crazy ORG…

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Of all the threads in all the chats in all the blogs in the world, you had to post in mine!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Metaphorical Casablanca. Nice.

          • Guest

            Sadly I suspect COB whacks off like a godfather ….

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      This is very sad. How many people were not as strong as you and were actually driven to suicide? When someone is deliberately driven to suicide, it is called murder.

      • Lady Squash

        Another question is how many were driven insane? I know of at least 7. Good people too.

    • MarionDee

      That is so inhumane, so cruel, and I’m so sorry that it happened to you and so many others. Convincing someone of their deep, ingrained evil is the fastest way to shatter a human I can think of. “Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men”? L. Ron Hubbard, apparently.

      • richelieu jr

        “Who is The Shadow?! ” Alec!

    • Exterrier

      What an ugly ugly trap. And they want to do this to everybody on the planet eventually.
      So what ever happened to your eternity anyway, MLT? Seriously, ever think about it?

      • Lady Squash

        I can’t answer for Michael but once I got some distance from Scientology, I returned to my roots–Christianity. I look back and shake my head in serious disbelief that I ever thought Scientology could take away my eternity. It’s an implant of some sort. Manchurian Candidate kind of stuff. Once I realized that I had been seriously brainwashed, all that “eternity fear” vanished.

    • Racnad

      This video & your account are straight out of Orwell’s 1984, where Winston Smith is let out once he realizes he loves Big Brother.

  • BosonStark

    “Danger is real, but fear is a choice.” May the choice be with you, my son. And love is never having to say you’re crackers, or a Scientologist.

  • VickiStubing

    Snoop Lion apparently has a new song called “Ashtrays and Heartbreaks.” A song about ashtrays? Creepy.

    • Espiando

      Not for those of us who use ashtrays for their proper purpose. Plus, we all know Snoop’s love for the green stuff, and he needs to put them out somewhere.

  • Racnad

    Since most science fiction traces its roots to the community of pulp science fiction writers which once included LRH, as well as Heinlein, Asimov, etc. There’s lot’s of science fiction that resembles parts of Scientology. I haven’t seen After Earth yet, but from what I’ve seen & read, it doesn’t resemble Scientology any more than the Star Wars saga (long time ago in a galaxy far away – very “whole-track”, space ships, zip-guns, SP politicians, and OT-like Jedi Knights) does.

    • Espiando

      It does if you know where to look, just like with Neil Gaiman’s recent Doctor Who episode.

      By the way, proper syntax and punctuation count here, and you get a major flunk for this post. Every time someone substitutes an ampersand for the word “and” in casual posting, I want to smash someone’s face.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Grammar rage?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          At least he didn’t butcher a semicolon. Miscavige would just have a fit…and another profit!

        • Espiando

          More like defending my membership in the Society For Prevention Of Cruelty To Misused Ampersands.

          • Robert Eckert

            At least he didnt kidnap any apostrophe’s and put them where they dont belong.

      • Racnad

        Some movies like “Bowfinger” were said to be about Scientology, when the resemblance was merely superficial, while some critics said that The Master had little about Scientology in it, while there was actually a lot. So I’d look to someone who is actually familiar with Scientology to whether a sci-fi work is really about Scientology, or just general space-opera or cults/mind control in general. Is there a review yet from someone familiar enough with Scientology to say?

        • media_lush

          The Bowfinger reference to Scientology wasn’t superficial, it was bang on 100% piss-take with no margin of misinterpretation.

          • Racnad

            Bowfinger was a parody of Scientology but was more about the “public-facing” side – the e-meters and the LRH portraits all over the place. The Master got deeper into the history & nitty-gritty, so much so that people with only a superficial familiarity with Scientology didn’t see most of it.

        • Spackle Motion

          Even I knew that Bowfinger was about Scientology when that came out, and that was years before my current anti-Scientology cult membership.

          Steve Martin used the pyramid symbol, called it “Mind Head” and had the running joke or culling confessional information from celebrities (having Eddie Murphy liking to expose himself to the Laker Girls). He didn’t hide it very well, if any of it was to be hidden.

      • Davka

        Where in the Dr. Who episode? I couldn’t figure that out…

        • Espiando

          Here’s what I wrote up at another website, for people who aren’t as familiar with Scn as we are. Some of this may be tenuous, but you have to remember that Neil is still reluctant to talk about growing up in the cult (to say the least):

          The whole issue of cybernetic implants as part of Cyberconversion; they’ve had implants before, but it’s never been part of the conversion/upgrade process. “Implants” in Scientology are mental constructs attached to your “thetan” (or soul) between lives on stations on Venus and/or Mars that provide you with memories of things that didn’t happen and generally cause you trauma. According to Hubbard, the R6 implant created Earth’s religions, and all of the towering figures in Earth religion never existed. A great deal of higher-level Scientology is designed to break your conscious mind out of these implants. Implants causing trauma is a direct allusion to Scientology.

          Children being implanted: Gaiman is not only referencing his own indoctrination, but the more formal indoctrination procedures that were created by Hubbard beginning in the late 1960s. Children as young as four are inducted into the introductory programs of Scientology’s Sea Organization, their inner circle of ultra-devoted followers. Just Google “Sea Org” and read some of the horror stories of what goes on with these people.

          The military force being a punishment detail: Google “Rehabilitation Project Force”. It’s Scientology’s punishment detail for the Sea Org.

          A midget as absolute ruler of the known universe: A direct slap in the face of current CoS leader David Miscavige, who’s even more vertically challenged than his BFF Tom Cruise. It’s a rather mild slap, considering Miscavige’s violent behavior, imprisonment of senior staff, punishment brigades, and numerous other situations that make Warren Jeffs look like Pope John Paul II. It was also Miscavige who shafted Gaiman’s father.

          The decayed amusement park: One frequent criticism of old-time Scientologists who were in and are now out is that Scientology “used to be fun”, but the fun was taken away when Miscavige began his bid for absolute power in 1982. Maybe Gaiman feels the same way.

          The castle as a secure place: A reference to Scientology’s world headquarters, Int Base in Hemet, California. Int Base is a fortress. It has armed guards and razor wire that not only faces outward, but inward as well. It looks like a very high-class high-security prison, which, for many people these days, it is.

          The Doctor’s multiple mental constructs and his wanting to get rid of the Cyber-Planner: A great deal of Scientology is getting rid of traumatic incidents that your thetans have picked up over multiple lifetimes. You spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so, and at OTVII, you’re essentially doing it by yourself, talking to them and trying to figure out each bit of trauma so that they’ll leave you. Take away the chess board and substitute an e-meter, and Matt Smith’s overacting becomes a wonderful demonstration of New Era Dianetics For OTs solo auditing.

          • Davka

            Huh, ok. Not sure I see it, but ok. Thank you for sharing!!!

      • Captain Howdy

        Punk Rockers for the Preservation of Punctuation ?

        E, you must want to smash my face in with every comment i cobble together.

    • Racnad

      Ok, I read the essay Tony linked above, but I still don’t see anything Scientology-specific in After Earth. Learning to face one’s fears is a VERY common theme in fiction. Can anyone show how After Earth is more about Scientology than Star Wars (as I described above), Star Trek and a million other Sci-Fi works?

  • http://twitter.com/Ottorian Otto T Mariedahl

    I am probably crazy but that trailer didn’t look xenu-awful to me, not great but not THAT bad. Oh well it’s not like I’ll be watching that move anyway.

    BTW is it just me or is the Fresh Prince’s voice really off in the trailer?

    • Observer

      I bet every decent scene in the movie is in that trailer. These reviews are by critics who have seen the whole thing.

  • Xique

    I never was subjected to the Truth Rundown, however I spent the bulk of my years in ETHICS . I was never really having wins or gains and so that meant either I was PTS or “out ethics” or both. Ha! What a joke! Just like super-smart Bruce was explaining, all this looking at oneself and ones evil “purps” (purposes) would always lead to the same thing, how awful you were as a person. Always looking for the EVIL in you.
    Once while at Flag I became ill, guess what, they had a program for that, Repair of Past Ethics! They were trying to kill me with ETHICS, I swear to God! Oh anyway , I liked Bruce Hines and his description of this bullshit.

  • Kim O’Brien

    I hope Will Smith takes these reviews more professionally than Marty has taken his cause his post today is kinda funny . He put up a couple of reviews and labeled one – Scientology Hater ..( that was Tony’s )

    I am not big into father / son ..or husband / wife movies . I find them a bit self serving but it is summer and my kid is already bored . I might get sucked into it ~

    • Mrs Libnish

      I wouldn’t give that rat bastard one red dime.

      • VickiStubing

        Not one inch for the Fresh Prince. (sorry, couldn’t think of anything to rhyme with “dime”)

        • EnthralledObserver

          Not a single penny, nor my time.

        • Observer

          Slime?

    • VickiStubing

      No, Kim! No! Don’t do it! I will send you a ton of links to fun (and cheap!) activities for your kid if you PROMISE to not take him!

      I’m begging you!

      • Kim O’Brien

        OK..OK …jeez…;)

  • Jgg2012

    Bad reviews. Big Pharma must be infiltrating the critic’s sites and posting wog-like reviews, because we all know that the tech works. Just ask OTviiiisgrrr8t.

  • Couch_Incident

    Drudge has its poor box office draw last night (beat by “Now You See Me” about a magician’s heist) as the lead item. The link is simply titled “DISASTER”. Snort!

  • ze moo

    The vultures have no problem picking apart the bones of this movie.

    “The ship Cypher and Kitai take on their mission isn’t that far off from
    the Douglas DC-8–esque ship that took Xenu’s kidnapped souls to earth.”

    http://www.vulture.com/2013/05/after-earth-will-smith-love-letter-to-scientology.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert
  • richelieu jr

    “Yee-ouch! These folks really, really didn’t like the film.”

    Yes, but did they “Hate, hate, HATE!” it?

  • Sam Freeman

    While Jada and Will weren’t seen hanging around CCInt in public, Jada managed to get her buddy Daphne Wayans (wife of one of the Wayans brothers) into the cult around 2003 and subsequently the kids were put into Delphi LA for indoctrination. The hubby (can’t remember which of the 3 brothers that was) threw a fit and took the kids out when he found out the school was connected to the cult. Last I heard Daphne was still on services at CCInt and a bunch of celebs were helping to set up a new ‘Delphi’ in Santa Monica which was less high profile but the Wayans kids won’t be going there any time soon 😀
    I emailed Daphne a few years back but it seems she’s disconnected with me or something. Can’t think why.

    • Sam Freeman

      Gosh! The little things I forget I know! 😉

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Yea me too! One of the reasons I post here is that with all the other folks telling their stories it triggers memories of things I hadn’t thought of in years. It makes me face up to my own thought at the time and what I did out of that thought and enviroment.

        I believe that our stories of our personal experience and what we encountered in our journey in and through and out of scientology collectively give the best picture of what it was like and the evil it commits.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          like that scary guy in the back corner of the sauna on the guinea pig pilot of the Purif who brought his knife. lol that was priceless, MLT

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Yea, just so out-there it is impossible to have dreamed up.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Well, if I hadn’t been oblivious right along with you, I would have ran out the door. And there are definitely Some things get buried for a darn good reason!

        • richelieu jr

          C’mon kids, let’s hear it!

        • Mary_McConnell

          So happy to see you posting lately, Michael. You are a important hero of mine, having read your doubt formula on http://www.lermanet.com/exit/tilse.htm and your other stuff, including your affidavit posted on the net and later highlighted on xenu-directory http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/tilse1.html

          Glad to get perspective and new recollections from you, from Sam and others. Thanks to you both for helping expose Scientology

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Thank you! I really appreciate it when I hear from those who were helped by the writing that I have done over the years. I hope to continue to help by telling my opinions and story where people can benefit.

      • Sam Freeman

        Keenan – Just remembered – one of his kids had the same name 😀

    • mook

      “Jada managed to get her buddy Daphne Wayans”
      “buddy” = lover
      aren’t Will and Jada’s real bf and gf Duane Martin and Tisha Campbell culties now too?

  • LocalSP

    I like how, in the trailer, Will tells Jaden that these animals evolved to eat humans. How could they evolve to eat humans if there were no humans to eat? Sounds like El Ron logic for sure.

    • Kim O’Brien

      stop making sense ..you are gonna ruin it LOL

    • Observer

      I hope there are killer clams in it!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Half man, half clam silly!

      [IMG]http://i43.tinypic.com/2v1t17q.jpg[/IMG]

      • Observer

        Ooooo! Do you mind if I swipe this for possible future shooping?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Sure. I can’t find the origin now. I thought it was from a commercial?

        • Poison Ivy

          Those look more like scallops to me.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            No PI, no….
            Don’t break the spell!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              She must have been hungry at the time.

      • sister wendy

        ooo! A bit like little Audrey’s from Little Shop!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Ooh, yes. You gotta see the 34 second commercial Observer found …

          http://youtu.be/i62YdabvAHo

          • sister wendy

            impossible not to have a million ideas looking at this;)

            • Observer

              You are soooo right!

    • 1subgenius

      Let the counting of the plot holes and inconsistencies begin!
      1. The beacon signal does not activate automatically, so they have to go retrieve it.
      2. Animals couldn’t evolve to eat humans who didn’t exist.
      3. So the powers that be are cool with taking along a 14 year old?
      (And these are just without even seeing it.)
      A good movie can make you believe anything, unless it makes no sense.

      • Missionary Kid

        “A good movie can make you believe anything, unless it makes no sense.” I’d put it this way.

        A good movie can make you believe anything, unless the internal logic is inconsistent.

        • 1subgenius

          I couldn’t have said it better.
          And didn’t.

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks. A compliment from you is golden.

          • Poison Ivy

            I feel like, if I believe it 100% during the 2 hours or so I’m in the theater, then it succeeded, even if an hour later I’m thinking, “Hey, wait a minute…”

      • VickiStubing

        In case there weren’t human-eating animals on earth, they took one with them.

        3. add “on a day’s notice, no less, because Mommy wanted him to go”

      • elar aitch

        They take a man eating monster on a space ship “for training” – seems legit

  • richelieu jr

    In the Director’s Roundtable for the Oscars in the Hollywood Reporter Ben Affleck recounts a lesson a big producer gave him about directors bring like ‘tuning forks: Yous trike them when they are young, and it rings perfectly, but it goes slowly, inexorably out of tune…”

    As a director, no longer so young, I pray daily that this is not the case…

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      nawwww, it’s just directors acting in movies they’re directing, or songwriters producing their own album, or gallery artists selling their own wares when it gets stinky. There are rare exceptions, but usually it’s a train wreck.

  • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonathan Jacobsen

    My favourite film reviewer in France is Yannick Dahan, who has a programme called Frisson Break in which he reviews fantasy, horror and related films — all the stuff the mainstream reviewers look down their noses at.

    http://www.gamerslive.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/YANNICK-DAHAN.jpg

    Dahan ran a brief preview of After Earth last month, and although he hadn’t actually seen it, he’s already lining up the rotten tomatoes. Mind you, his beef is as much with director Shyamalan as with the Smith family business. Here’s the link, with his comments translated below.

    http://www.canalplus.fr/c-cinema/pid3614-c-interviews-cinema.html?vid=842551

    “From the beginning there has been a taste of fraud with M. Night Shamalan- Shama — Shymalananan- shit, this guy.

    “Instantly hailed as the new master of suspenseful fantasy with The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable the master of the twist in the tale has since then come out with a series of films at best off the mark and at worst completely unwatchable.

    ….clip from After Earth …

    “But it’s not that beautiful string of pearls that’s going to stop 20th Century Fox from entrusting Shyamalan with a blockbuster at 200 million bucks topped off from A to Z with Will Smith, producer of the film and still as keen as ever on making his kid Jaden a top star like Papa — and the worst thing is, he should be able to pull it off.

    “So we follow the futuristic adventures of a kid who after the crash of his spacecraft finds himself alone on an Earth invaded by savage animal mutants…

    Switch to black-and-white and dramatic Z-movie musical exclamations.

    “The Mutant Baboon!
    “The Mutant Okapi!
    “The Mutant LOL Cat!

    “Nothing new to report here, apart from the promise of an epic — which is difficult to keep for a director who has never known how to film action.

    “Verdict in France on June 5.”

    And for any fans of bad-guys-trapped-in-a-building-with-psycho-zombies films, try Dahan’s gorefest La Horde, which makes Rob Zombie’s work look like Merchant and Ivory. The spaghetti-western style dubbing in this US trailer makes it even funnier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gY4ui929TiE

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Wow, and to think it has just begun. Shyamalan might be the first human to rejoice that Battlefield Earth will never be topped in the Worst SciFi Ever category.

    • juliusstahl

      Oh, thank you, Jonny, This is delicious and nutritious.

  • richelieu jr

    I suppose this is as good a moment as any to ask if any of you here have any information (especially first hand) about the whole “Revolt in the Stars’ episode…

    Someone mentioned a while back that there was a Scientologist guy claiming to have worked on Star Wars, and I said I was skeptical, as one of my closest friends won an Oscar for working on it and had never mentioned the guy.. Well, in fact, he knew exactly who I was talking about, and a lot of other details which I found fascinating…

    I would love, for personal and professional reasons, to learn more about this fascinating period in Scientology…

    • TonyOrtega
      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        During a tour of “Author Services, Inc.” by Joanie L., (who I had known earlier in the S.O., as Joanie Goodman), before one of those “dramatic readings” of LRH “classic fiction”, I saw a “Revolt In the Stars” script in a glass case. It was open to a page of dialog, a conversation between “Xenu” and a “Loyal Officer”.

      • richelieu jr

        Thanks Tony. I have indeed read your wonderful write-up, and it may even be the first place I heard this discussed… It certainly whetted my appetite for details,t he sort of details that really make it come to life, etc… I’ll drop you a line off-list…

    • Racnad

      Since there are hundreds if not more than 1,000 individuals who worked on the Star Wars movies, I would be surprised if not one of them had ever seen the inside of an Org. It is also possible that George Lucas had read LRH Sci-Fi at one time or someone had told him about Scientology “whole-track” stuff late at a Bay Area party at one time. But unless Lucas had a Scientology phase that Celeb trackers have not discovered, any resemblance (and as I pointed out – there is a lot) is from the fact that LRH was among a group of Sci-Fi writers from which most science fiction evolved. Darth Vader & the Emperor aren’t based on Xenu. Rather all three are based on villains from Buck Rogers & Flash Gordon.

      • richelieu jr

        Well, that’s not really what I am talking about… Clearly Lucas was inspired by the so called ‘Silver Age and Golden ages of SciFi, but I mean L Ron’s specific project to make his own film in the wake of SW…

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          See Denise Brennan’s details in that thread Tony put up. I’ve seen Eaton’s first name as Gilliam as well as Randy, but then from resume I’ve seen the name Max Youngstein attached as well. It appears that just as anything else in scientology, different people were given only certain parts of the puzzle and given different shore stories. I will say that it definitely was between 1977 and 1978 I worked on a hub script, but it was over just a few months and stopped abruptly. I believe the shore story I got was he had tech stuff more important. yeah, right, that was it. hah

          • Espiando

            Well, actually, wasn’t 1978 The Year Of Lightning-Fast Tech? New OTVIII, otherwise known as “You’ve Been Faking It All Along”? And, of course, lest we forget, “Super Power will start to be delivered in six weeks at Saint Hills.”

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              That rascal. He was always up to somethin’.

          • richelieu jr

            Thanks THDNE!

            Can I contact you off-thread as well? I’ll be setting up an address especially for this project, but for the moment I can be contacted at device AT noos DOT fr….

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              sure

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

    M. Night is not quite Alan-Smithee-ing the film, but is staying out of any association with the marketing:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/31/after-earth-m-night-shyamalan_n_3365830.html?ref=topbar

    • RMycroft

      I believe that Mr. Smithee has retired. I’m not sure who currently has his old job.

    • media_lush

      not totally true…..

  • Couch_Incident

    Okay, let me be the first to predict a Jaden Smith / Connor Cruise buddy movie!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      No, David Miscavige ….NO!
      This is a joke!
      You know…haha, funny….we all laugh!

      This is not an idea for a shiny new nice Scientology movie ( I would recommend a comedy)…
      So please don’t even think about stealing this idea as a wonderful PR ploy!

      • Couch_Incident

        How about “Gettin’ Thetan Wit It” as a working title?

    • Kim O’Brien

      with Lindsey Lohan , and Donald Sutherland ( only because he is in every movie ever made i think )

  • Jgg2012

    Why, for $150,000,000.00, 300 people could have moved all the way up the bridge.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Or one Lifetime Free Pass for all the Super Power rides (Oiliness Table and Pain Room are extra, of course).

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Carol Nyberg’s interview is painful to watch. She is describing a US church that practices false imprisonment, the theft of most basic human rights, and the fear of “comrades” that exists today in N. Korea, and that previously existed under the Khmer Rouge and under Stalin. She, and thousands of others, have been harmed by those practices. Yet, after escaping, their injuries are so extensive that by the time they have recovered enough to understand the theft of their rights, it is often too late to bring a lawsuit. In the US, individuals have a right to live without fear of physical, emotional, and mental abuse. They have a right to a living wage, a right to have children, a right to read newspapers, go on the internet, and a right to leave a church if they choose. These rights are so fundamental that they cannot be taken away by the government without due process, a trial, and a conviction. Here is a church, however, that is stripping the rights of its members, and doing so on the tax payers’ dime. As Carol and dozens of others have attested, she wanted to leave, but couldn’t unless she escaped. Even without razor-bladed, barbed wire, members are afraid to leave because guards monitor their behavior. Miscavige is so committed to keeping cult members from escaping, that OSA’s main duty seems to be spying on members and “guarding” those who “might” escape. Carol confirms what is already known, that the common denominator among members in abusive cults is a belief that they will be rescued. They believe that their situation is so unjust, it couldn’t possibly be known to the cult leader, and that once he/she learns about the abuse, the abuse will be stopped. Even when it is obvious that the cult leader knows, the members still cling to the believe that they will be rescued by the leader.

    When are these cult members going to be rescued? Where is the FBI and Homeland Security? Why is an organization that terrorizes its members, and has a recent history of trying to terrorize other citizens, not under investigation? Miscavige is comfortable with the fact that IRS won’t act to investigate the church’s abuse of its tax exempt status, and that the FBI/DHS have backed down (apparently). What he fails to understand, however, is the US legal system is set up with an intricate set of checks and balances. Congress has actually given private citizens the right to act as a “private attorney general.” While most people are generally aware of the whistleblower laws, they are not aware of the specific whistleblower law, the False Claims Act. This gives citizens, who have original knowledge of false claims that are being made to the government for economic benefit, the right to sue as if they were the government and collect funds. As more ex-members bring lawsuits, perhaps one or more of those lawsuits will be a False Claims Act case, and maybe that will help rescue people still in the church

    • Missionary Kid

      You have the problem that people in Co$ are so brainwashed that rescue appears to them to be an attack on them because they’ve been programmed to think that they are $cientology, and vice versa.

      Also, after being subjected to all of the efforts to pull them back if they do escape, they are fair gamed to the point that they would rather just put the whole experience behind them and try to forget the pain rather than openly fight Co$ or give up all hope of reconnecting with loved ones who are still in.

    • Couch_Incident

      Be aware that the False Claims Act does not apply to claims made under the Internal Revenue Code. However, there is a similar 2006 IRS Whistleblower Law. But, there are important procedural differences, particularly since the first report is made to the IRS’ own Whistleblower Office and then appealed to the Tax Court.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Interesting, I guess that would limit False Claims Act cases to fraudulent claims under the federal law and state versions of that law. These claims would have to be limited cases where someone had first-hand, original knowledge of fraudulent Medicare claims, or public health coverage claims, or other claims involving the federal government or state governments.

    • Sunny Sands

      The main event precipitating Carol’s fall from grace seems to be her run-in with DM about the penthouse at the FH. He wanted to tour the penthouse when it was occupied and Carol told him no. She was then dealt harsh physical punishments, and as a woman of a certain age, she wasn’t able to handle them, and her career was thereafter ruined. In the real world, for upsetting a higher up, she would probably have been gently allowed to retire with her pension. Unfortunately, no pensions or gentleness in sci land. There is the possibility that this entire scenario was manufactured by DM because he wanted a younger woman in her position. In the real world, she would have had legal avenues including an age discrimination claim. I wish every young person in the SO could hear Carol’s story, this could be you.

  • Kevin Tighe

    Wall Street Journal:
    Film Review: Muddle-‘Earth’
    Is “After Earth” the worst movie ever made? Maybe not; there’s always “Battlefield Earth” to remind us how low the bar can go, writes columnist Joe Morgenstern.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      hee hee.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    NO!

    Some SP sent we in RTC an anagram of After Earth:

    “Eather Fart”

    That is not funny. It is criminal J&D and the guilty party will be found and beaten.

    In happier news, the Church of Scientology is pleased to announce that it can handle 100000x more exorcisms than the Catholics: http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2013/05/31/catholic-exorcist-has-sent-160000-demons-back-to-hell-the-church-scientology-can-do-much-better-than-that/

    • Observer

      Hahahaha! I only wish I’d been the one to do it!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Earth Farte!

    • Captain Howdy

      I challenge you and Father Freaky to try to exorcize me…I’ll crush your balls and swallow your soul

      http://youtu.be/g5m411zcNA4
      http://youtu.be/-qK58CZslAs

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Ooooh! I love anagram analysis!

      “RE: Fart Heat”

      “The Fart Era”

      “Fart Heater”

      “The Ear Fart”

      “Ah, Tree Fart”

      “A Fart There”

      “He Tear Fart”

      “Eat Her Fart”

      “Fear Hatter”

      “Free Rat Hat”

      “Feather Art”

      “The Rear Fat”

      “A Ferret Hat”

      “A Rear Theft”

      “Rat Fete. Rah!”

      “The Rat Fare”

      • media_lush

        “Eat Her Fart”

        …. a popular fetish, especially amongst the Japanese and Brazilians for some reason

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Uh, thanks for sharing…

      • aquaclara

        Brilliant anagramness! For my fav, I’m torn between “A Ferret Hat” and “Rat Fete. Rah! ”
        Hmmm.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          It is tough, considering that the ferrets and rats in After Earth have evolved into people eating monsters. Rah!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    In the scientology sea org they have created the ideal totalitarian society: Everyone a criminal, everyone a snitch, everyone a policeman.

    • Missionary Kid

      Perfectly put. A closed, circular, self-referencing, society designed to keep everyone marching in a circle with COB in the center with a whip and chair, like a lion tamer.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You forgot drug counselor!

  • KNMF

    So. Worse than “Oblivion.” Hahaha Scientology is only entertaining when you’re laughing at it.

  • pronoia

    Will Smith says he likes patterns. That he cvan study them and make predictions like who will win an Academy Award etc. So I have a question that is begging an answer: Didn’t he know of M. Night Shyamalan’s trajectory toward failure, and based on this well established pattern, why wasn’t he able to predict how badly this movie would fare, and if he did, why did he go ahead and do it anyway with Shyamalan?

    The only possible answer I can come up with is that absolutely no one with any iota of respect would touch it. And the Smith’s thought that the director didn’t matter since they were in charge and could make it go right no matter what because they are the Smiths and they are Scientologists. And because Shyamaian had nothing left to lose.

    Also — the other clue regarding their scientology affiliation is the way their kids are treated like they are adults in little kid bodies.

    • MissCandle

      Legal emancipation at 15? Is that a joke?

      • pronoia

        I don’t know what exactly the law is in California, but I do know that it is possible. Hollywood kids (like Drew Barrymore) have successfully petitioned the court for emancipation and have gotten it. If the parent doesn’t object it can be pretty easy.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Clearly, After Earth WAS delivered by the CoS as insurance that TC would not have the worst movie of 2013 on his resume.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      ++++++++

  • Synthia Fagen

    On Mark’s piece with Bruce Hines — that’s some of the most evil mind control ever. I remember the Exec Dir of the Chicago Org talking about how she really wanted to get the Truth Rundown. Wow! Like everything in Scientology, its promoted as something helpful and vital to one’s spiritual advancement and serenity of being. Good grief!

    I am so glad I got out of there relatively unscathed having not done the OT levels, Ls or rundowns such as this one. The worst, most mind warping things I did (both of which I protested heavily while doing) were the PTS/SP course and the False Purpose Rundown both of which are mind control propaganda from the depths of hell deep within the bowels of Hubbard’s very insane mind.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I’m glad you got out too, Synthia.. I sooo wish more people inside co$ could read that powerful comment..

      • Synthia Fagen

        Me too! :)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That Truth Rundown sounds like the PTS/SP, False Purpose/ all the L’s, all the Ethics recipes boiled and toiled and brewed down into one concentrated, toxic poison. If the reno’s on the RPF don’t kill you, this rundown sounds like it would make you wish it would. Count me in as one who is soooo glad you got out when you did.

    • aquaclara

      I watched Bruce’s piece today, and came away stunned. He has such an easy demeanor, yet the impact of the Truth Rundown came out very clear. Add to that your comments, Synthia, and yet again, I am horrified by the degree of mind control that takes place inside Scientology.

      These videos and descriptions like yours articulate the evils in its full horror. Even though I knew it, and have known it was bad for decades, hearing and seeing someone describe it has no match. It takes less imagination to imagine this than anything Will Smith used to concoct his latest movie, too.

      I have to believe that this real info is seeping into the world and keeping the cult’s new recruitment numbers way down. But even more, I am overcome with joy each time I hear that someone like you or Bruce has managed to break away.

      Like cheering winners on at the finish line, in the Friday Bunker tradition, I will be toasting you, Bruce and Carol at the bar tonight, wishing you much happiness in this outside world. Thank you so much.

      • Synthia Fagen

        I’ll raise my glass to that! Thank you. :) We are all so fortunate to have all of you out there.

        • aquaclara

          TOAST!

          • Synthia Fagen

            TOAST!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Toasting Music! Had to find something Classy for ‘ya.

              http://youtu.be/NcKdnkGBSgA

            • aquaclara

              awww. Such a nice touch! Thanks.
              Do join us in our toasting party, THDNE…you had a hell of a week.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks….I am definitely going to…waiting for hubby to join me.

            • Synthia Fagen

              Love it!

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Toast!

        • aquaclara

          We’re having a nice Bunker party this evening!!!!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            We are!
            I just bought a bottle of wine and will be on the beach with it and my iPad shortly.
            Whoo hoo!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Ocala beach? wait a sec…

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Flagler!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Hey, if you see any of these over there, relay video back here….

              http://youtu.be/i62YdabvAHo

            • BuryTheNuts2

              THANKS! I showed this to Mr.Nuts and he didn’t get it.
              So then I had to explain why Scientologists are called “clams”.

              EPIC facepalm ensued!

            • DeElizabethan

              Toast to All at Bunker party!

              Luv Flagler.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Me Too!
              It is my zen place and space!

    • Kim O’Brien

      when did you get scared ? Was there one thing or several things .?..it sounds SO scary to me but i know that they sneak things up on people. I am glad you are free and done with them

      • Synthia Fagen

        Ya know Kim, they have you so introverted on how you are evil and the only one that is not “winning” that the way it worked for me is that I got scared that they would control my mind but was more afraid that I would find out how bad I was and how undeserving. I know it sounds weird and I cringe to think about my gullibility now. The thing that helped me escape was my seeing, with my own eyes, the fraud and criminality.

        This was enough for them to lose their vice grip hold on my mind because it allowed me to hold on to a sliver of moral superiority to be able to leave without feeling degraded. Then, the unraveling began. I was in a trance that was actually physically palpable when it broke. It was like I had been instantly transported into an alternate time continuum. I can still experience the instantaneous awakening right now as I write about it.

        The people inside are in a trance. That state and the cognitive dissonance are more uncomfortable for some than for others and for the life of me, I don’t know why.

        • Kim O’Brien

          that just gave me chills ~ i am never at as loss for words or snark ..that just floored me.

          • Synthia Fagen

            Also, when I say fraud and criminality I was not talking about the philosophy itself which is what really has the mind-lock on a person. What I meant was the illegal and financial irregularities. When I saw that and could not rationalize or justify it, it gave me my way out.

            I always wanted to leave but felt that I would be a loser, a quitter, not worthy. Here’s something scary — my husband was on staff for 25 years and hated everyday of it. What does that tell you about the mind-hold?

            • Kim O’Brien

              whatever the reason ..and however it came to pass ….and without sounding like my gramma …i am really , really proud of you and relieved you are not on the “they died and or lost their mind ” list . Did you leave it all behind or are you an indie who took away what you could from it ? ( you don’t sound like an indie ..)

            • Synthia Fagen

              I jettisoned the entire load as quickly as I possibly could. :)

            • Kim O’Brien

              i think i owe you an apology actually . I was never in ..but have been reading this blog and posting on it since Tony was over at the Village Voice. He wrote about Marty and the Annie B. story and her “recovery” from the airport back to DM . I think i really ripped you then ..you had already known about it ..and it was the first i had ever heard about it . You were not supporting Marty , or letting him off the total hook but i think i railed on you because i took your posts wrong . I lost it on that story . I had given some $$ over at Marty’s blog for a kid who left and i felt like i had been conned once i realized some things . I had not yet found the stories and threads about Marty so it came as a shock to me. I am sorry i was a bitch . The 2 stories that get me the most are Annie B. and Derek Bloch . I have no filter when it comes to children and people trying to get out but are forced to go back . I apologize and am glad to hear that you have shed it all 😉

            • BuryTheNuts2

              We love you Kim. When you are a bitch, it has always been because of your caring heart.

            • Kim O’Brien

              that and the fact that i am half irish half sicilian may have also been a factor 😉

            • Robert Eckert

              A friend said he was the stereotypical Catholic, a quarter Mexican, a quarter Polish, a quarter Italian, and a quarter Irish. “So that makes me a lazy, stupid, violent drunk!”

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I’ve heard of Italian Alzheimers. You forget everything except the grudges.

            • Kim O’Brien

              wow – THAT rings a little true for me ….no wonder 😉 sometimes i need to suppress the urge to wrap fish in newspaper and leave it at the doorsteps of the people who have really pissed me off .

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Hehe, cheers!

            • Synthia Fagen

              Thank you. I don’t recall that moment of bitchiness that you say you foisted upon me – LOL. It’s okay. I appreciate the sentiment and I think that this is what all of this communication is all about, all of us coming together and loving, understanding, and healing.

              The fact that you, someone never in, gave $ to help Daniel says volumes about you and your heart.

            • Captain Howdy

              Synthia, everything else aside, where’s your AV? We always appreciated the AV.

            • Synthia Fagen

              What, you no like my daffodil pic? 😉 LOL

        • EnthralledObserver

          Is it the continuing auditing that keeps them in the trance? If so, is this what the Indies are still afflicted with… and therefore why the Indies will NEVER decompress whilst they keep doing this to themselves?

    • Exterrier

      Here here! Amen.

  • Jgg2012

    Let’s see. Bollywood Millionaire and the Blair Witch Project, which had no input from Scientologists, cost under a million, and were quality movies. After Earth, with Will “the tech is brilliant” Smith, cost over $100 million to produce, poor quality. Scientology tech doesn’t help–or did Scientology have nothing to do with it?

  • 1subgenius

    Matt Patches’ piece is spot on.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      good breakdown. the volcano was just too obvious

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I wonder about the son’s name: Kitai. Isn’t that the name of a character in that ST:NG where Picard is implanted with the life of an inhabitant of a long destroyed planet, living it through during the course of coma induced by an alien probe/

        • Robert Eckert

          It’s the Russian name for China.

          • Observer

            China is where Jaden’s remake of the Karate Kid was set. *eyeroll*

            • Robert Eckert

              Oy. I was wondering what the connection to China was.

            • Observer

              That would be it.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          One thing I know for sure. Scientology celebs and their friends are All going to see that erupting volcano and then it’s nudge nudge, wink wink. So Kitai is Russian name for China.

  • juliusstahl

    This is good. Matt Drudge is headling this on Drudge Report with a single word in huge type:

    DISASTER

    http://drudgereport.com/

    The headline links to the Hollywood Reporter review:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-report-you-see-560758

  • BosonStark

    Okay, after reading several reviews I think I’ve got the film figured out. Papa Cyclo has son PinkSmith in some kind of auditing suit — like an e-meter but you wear it — and from there PinkSmith learns to battle a bunch of CG creatures, which are not very good quality. Please tell me there’s no hope for this $150 million piece of crap.

    At Gawker, Dave Touretzky is interviewed and says it has nothing to do with Scientology. After The Master flopped, whether a film has nothing or everything to do with Scientology probably won’t matter. Just so it doesn’t evoke any reactions from kids, “Daddy, Daddy, PinkSmith is a clam. I want to be a clam too!”

  • Bradley Greenwood
    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I’m pretty sure we can rule out roger ebert. btw, love the avatar. I used to have some tapes (yes, cassettes) of The Golden Throats. But here’s a utube vid of shatner and nimoy. They must have been on something good. This is pretty painful stuff, although not as bad as listening to sec checkers sec check.
      http://youtu.be/vd5zadgAYg0

      • Bradley Greenwood

        You can listen to Leonard on YouTube, including his classic: “Bilbo Baggins”. Love it! If you want to see a real Nimoy gem, look for the Bruno Mars music video featuring Nimoy… AWESOME!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          hot tamales! can’t wait to show hubby this one. He’ll probably go “what’s so funny?”

          • Bradley Greenwood

            Glad to help :)

            • Get Chutney Love

              I always liked their final project together, “Where No Fan has Gone Before”:

              William Shatner: [Singing in his trademark style] I’m Slim Shady. Yes, I’m the real Slim Shady. All you other Slim Shadies are immitatin’. So, would the real Slim Shady please stand up? Please stand up, please stand up.

              Walter Koenig: How can anyone do a spoken word version of a rap song?

              Melllvar: He found a way.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              hub liked

  • juliusstahl

    Oh Lawd, it gets better. The Wall Street Journal weighs in:

    “I’ve never seen a movie that moves so slowly, or takes itself so seriously, which is why it doesn’t seem like a movie at all, but a sermon whose central subject is fear: “Danger is real,” the father tells the son, “but fear is a choice.” So a right question might be why “After Earth” was made. The sermon echoes a central theme of Scientology.”

    Here is the lede:

    “Is “After Earth” the worst movie ever made? Maybe not; there’s always “Battlefield Earth” to remind us how low the bar can go. But that’s the wrong question, since it implies that this bizarre enterprise is a movie in the conventional sense.”

    Another lulzy passage:

    “Despite the sci-fi trappings, and dollops of almost literally unspeakable dialogue—”Graviton buildup could be a precursor to mass expansion,” someone warns someone else—”After Earth” is basically a two-character study of what happens to father and son after their spaceship crashes on a quarantined planet that is, in fact, Earth, but Earth infested with exceedingly cheesy digital monsters.”

    Read the whole thing.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324412604578515000854294308.html?mod=us_most_pop_newsreel

  • ze moo

    TonyO, you know how to mine gold. Last night there were two reviews of ‘After Earth’ out, both of which made mention of Scientology and Will and Jada Smith’s connection to it. I have counted 2 dozen newspapers and web sites doing the same thing through out today. The meme has struck hard. So many references to ‘Oblivion’, Xenu and volcanoes, ah, the lutz. David Touretzky and a reviewer at Gawker think it is just a shitty movie. The snark is strong among the commentators…..

    http://gawker.com/after-earth-is-just-a-shitty-movie-not-scientology-pro-510569401

    • pronoia

      The best snark of all is the image of the volcano in the background!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Touretsky is right that it’s not About scientology, per se. But there are enough references just in the trailer to make any scientologist wax nostalgic. And if the theme is Fear/Emotions Bad, Jumping out of spaceships/Into volcanoes Good, then it’s as scientology as it gets.

    • pronoia

      Tony is right — Touretsky is being way too literal is his reading.

      This movie is obviously meant to be an allegory. Like you could easily say that the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is not a story about Jesus per se. However it is meant to be a Christian allegory — in particular of Christ’s crucifixion. (Aslan dying for traitorous Edmund).

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yes, exactly.

      • Rachel Heidi

        I was one of the Jewish kids who didn’t get it. Aslan’s sacrifice just angered and frustrated me. I thought it was weak. Didn’t learn it was a Christian-promo book until high school. I digress, I know, but I’m still pissed off about it! 😉

  • ze moo

    FECRIS serves as an umbrella organization for groups which investigate the activities of cults or cult-like organizations in Europe. They are having a conference in Copenhagen Denmark shortly. The spokesperson for CO$ in Denmark objects and has published an opinion piece in the Copenhagen Post. It is in English and not as much fun as a Karin Prouw rant.

    http://cphpost.dk/commentary/opinion/opinion-stop-state-supported-intolerance-and-bigotry

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hey ze moo. I saw your comment over there. I left one, too.

  • N. Graham

    This opens up so many possibilities for the under-worked $cientology Celebs. They can start filming the epic L. Ron Hubbard oeuvre of Sci-Fi adventures. I could see Bijou Philips, Laura Prepon, and Kelly Preston in Golden Hell, Anne Archer, Nancy Cartwright, Grant Cardone, and anyone else not busy (most everybody) in Greed, The Masterson Brothers in Hell’s Legionnaire, Sonny Bono, Jeff Conaway, and Isaac Hayes in Cargo of Coffins, Juliette Lewis and Leah Remini in Danger in the Dark, John Travolta in Man-Killers of the Air, Tommy Cruise in Mouthpiece, Haywood Nelson as the Black Sultan, Bodhi Elfman as The Tramp, (big competition for this role!), Jenna Elfman in Wind Gone Bad, and finally, Kirstie Allie as Ole Doc Methuselah.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      But who gets the plum role of Xenu in “The Wall of Fire?”

      • Observer

        It would have to be someone who fits Hubbard’s description of Xenu from “Revolt in the Stars”:

        ”There he is, Xenu, the Supreme Ruler of the Galactic Confederation.”
        Xenu, bitter faced, sardonic, leaning heavily on a cane that was more like a club, limped forward to the front edge of the
        draped railing. He glared down at the stalled
        group on the concourse below and did not like what he saw. The dark somberness of his civilian suit, the darkness of his hair and face seemed to spread outward

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Hey, that sounds like one of his villains in “fear”

          • Observer

            A recycled villain?! So much for his “creativity”.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Seriously….jack something?

            • Observer

              I’ve never read any of his fiction. I mean, the stuff that he actually called fiction. I tried a couple of times but his writing is so deadly dull I didn’t last long.

        • media_lush

          surely Kirstie Alley…. remove the makeup and you have a perfect fit, no?

          • Observer

            Nice!

          • media_lush

            it just …… works….

            • media_lush

              on a side note….. what the hell has happened to Katie Holmes?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              You do know that she is in character in a lot of the shots that have been circulating?

            • EnthralledObserver

              This ^^^is just what ALL people look like wthout fancy Hollywood make-up artist’s brushes… it’s NORMAL! The other images of Katie and other ‘stars’ is the ABNORMAL images, prepped and primped to shade and shape the image of unrealistic perfection.
              See this make-up in my avatar… I am a make-up artist, and it took me about 30 mins to get it on… and it still wouldn’t be ‘star’ quality!

            • ParticleMom

              Wow, that is you in your avatar? I thought it was from a movie.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Yep… me. But trust me, it’s a disguise in itself – my version of an Anonymous Guy Fawkes mask. Hubby’s work dress-up party, and I really don’t look anything like this (or this sexy) in real life. Not even my hair… it’s attached to the crown…haha.

            • sugarplumfairy

              you are an evil genius..

      • N. Graham

        It’s been offered to Priscilla Presley but she’ll have to get more plastic surgery first.

    • John P.

      But who stars in the title role of “The Chee-Chalker”?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Give me your absence excuse from the parents right now MR!
        (That was supposed to mean mister)!

      • N. Graham

        It’s little known that the only thing holding back Katie Holmes from blowing for so long was because, since “Chee-Chalker” loosely translates to newcomer, she was being offered this plum role. When she found out it was going to go to Laura Prepon, she bolted.

    • Robert Eckert

      You’re not going to film Mission Earth? It would be a ten-part franchise!

      • Observer

        Excellent idea! It would keep generations of aspiring Scilon celebrity offspring actors employed.

      • N. Graham

        Will has already snagged it. Each part will star a different person in the Smith Universe, such as Jada and the Sea Org ending world slavery, Jaden introducing karate to the Marcabian Confederacy, and Jazzy Jeff as a dee jay on a train on Venus.

    • VickiStubing

      Aw, nothing for Jim Meskimen? He’ll be crushed.

      • N. Graham

        He’ll be starring in the Way to Happiness soap opera.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I think it is just possible that this movie (and Oblivion) are manifestations of the frustration that Scientologists are acutely experiencing these days. Over 60 years ago L. Ron Hubbard stated that mankind was on an inevitable collision course with disaster– that humanity would soon face ultimate destruction. Only an army of “clears” processed by Dianetics would save the planet.

    And here we are, well into the second generation since that confident pronouncement, and nothing remotely like it has come to pass. Dianetics processing is now delivered by Scientology auditors, and rather than clears, it is high level OTs who will supposedly save all mankind. But there’s not much of an army, and frankly, humanity is not clamoring for Hubbard’s “infallible” tech to deliver them from legions of slavering aliens (or even evil Psychs from the planet Farsec).

    So instead, we get these silly movies, filled with space opera and… a message! A message that will, what? Resonate in the depths of the human soul? (Or at least enturbulate the thetans down there.) A message that will make everyone on the planet realize that there really is a higher plateau, and those who were good enough and smart enough to go up the Bridge are waiting there with just what we need. A message that… eh, forget it. Go see Iron Man 3 again.

    • Observer

      “I think it is just possible that this movie (and Oblivion) are manifestations of the frustration that Scientologists are acutely experiencing these days.”

      Ohhhhh … so these movies are engrams! That explains everything!

    • stateofcircle

      One thing that always confused me about Scientologists ceaselessly preaching about how the “tech” can save the world, and spending well above retail to get said “tech” into the hands of others, is their extreme-to-the-max condemnation and flat out hatred – so hateful and extreme that they made up a word, squirrel -of people that seek out and use Scientology materials outside the church. Wouldn’t you want anyone and everyone to learn about and use it? If you constantly claim it can save humanity, and you also claim you have an intense desire to help mankind through it’s use, what is SOOO horrible about “squirrelling” the “tech”? Sorry for the off-topic rant, but I would love insight into this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeb.burton.50 Jeb Burton

    I love the bearded wise man, but since I have been digging into Scientology, 6 years or so, I have heard about his upcoming documentary on Scientology. Is this a never ending fundraiser for his movie, as he does ask for donations, or does it take that long to compile his evidence? Just asking, as I have no idea how long it takes to do a project like this. I love what i have seen of his short videos on you tube, But can he give us a date when we will see the finished project?

  • Robert Eckert
    • elar aitch

      Now that is a thing of beauty

  • Forrest Humus

    Let me first say I have not seen the movie and nor do I intend to. That said, I did not read of a single example of why this movie is Will’s Scientology coming out movie. I get the feeling the selected critics used Scientology as sort of a catch-all word for ‘bad sci-fi”. That a story is “vaguely L. Ron Hubbard-sh” as Lou Lumenick writes tell me close to nothing about what to expect. Just a lot of lazy writing so far as I can see.

    • media_lush

      “That said, I did not read of a single example of why this movie is Will’s Scientology coming out movie.”

      dude, did you even bother to read the comments here before you posted that?

    • BosonStark

      I think bad sci-fi is rightly associated with Hubbard and Hubbard’s type of ideas — knowing how to know, being certain about certainty.

      Before Battlefield Earth came out, John Travolta was talking about it being the next Star Wars. The cult saw it has Scientology’s entrance into blockbuster movies and clearing the planet. They were taken to see it in droves and even though it stunk, none of them could say that.

      If you just google After Earth you can read hundreds of other takes on the movie — some which detail every boring aspect of it. Tony’s list of the reviews of others associating it with Scientology, whether rightly or wrongly, make it Will’s coming out movie, because this is the first time this has happened with Will Smith. I’m kind of amazed at it myself, but it shows how the media has changed — Wright’s book, TomKat divoce, Tony’s blog — it’s changing people’s perspective. We want these Hollywood types to wake up and do things like read Wright’s book, before they dump hundreds of thousands or millions more on this cult.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Tony gives you Matt Patches link for a side by side comparison. Also, what media lush said.

      • stateofcircle

        I do wonder though, why now? This Will Smith/Scientology link went almost from 0 to 100 overnight. I know it’s been vaguely discussed before, as in with the school funding, but it seems like there has to be some reason that it did. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for Scientology getting ANY sort of negative press, and I know it’s been reported on more and more lately, but for so many mainstream outlets hammering this home just seems…I don’t know. I don’t know what to make of it. I doubt he will respond to it at all, but I am kind of hoping for a big PR flap in which the Pinkett-Smiths are embarrassed to be outed publicly as Scientologists. I wonder if/how the church “PR” is trying to handle this. I am doubting they have any hand it in since it’s pretty much all negative, otherwise I wouldn’t put it passed them to leak some “rumors”. Who knows, maybe that’s what they did do…maybe some Scilon with connections, or even one of the celebrity’s talked to someone semi-important in the media and was all like, “Yeah, the new Will Smith movie is going to be great, it’s rooted in Scientology and will definitely not bomb, because Scientology is going to save the world. And since it is literally the only thing that can actually save the world, and is by far the most awesome way to communicate and view the world, it will be the best movie ever, even better than Battlefield Earth.” Then of course it became a massive footbullet, like it always does, and thus the negative blowback. Still, for it to be this much blowback and coverage is puzzling.

        Yes, I am conspiracy therorizing about shitty Will Smith movies. Deal with it :)

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Scientology torpedoes another career. Will Smith used to be a fun, accessible, reliable star. Now he’s like a dour, programmed, somewhat erratic version of his old self.

    • Captain Howdy

      Hey, you’re one of the Indie 50, eh?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Scientology as sort of a catch-all word for ‘bad sci-fi.’ Where would anyone get that idea…?

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    off topic, weather update, and thinking of our friends in Oklahoma. Unfreakinbelievable 50 mile wide storm cell, spinning an average of 3 tornados the last hour. Last in Oklahoma City near airport and northern Moore looks to be getting some storms, possibly in path. It’s going to be a lot night.

    • Captain Howdy

      Scientology, Syria and Oklahoma
      Why is there never a shortage of misery?
      Even the cynics get overwhelmed sometimes

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Oh crap….gotta check out midwest tornado…family friends there.

      • Get Chutney Love

        St. Louis is under a tornado warning as well. I went to school there for 3 1/2 years.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Earth City, St Charles, areas seem to have gotten hit. Airport is dark. Waiting to hear about other areas, but power is out. Seems to be fast moving.

          • Tomato Thetan

            Checking in from St. Louis. The worst seems to be over, but it’s still raining hard, so flooding is an issue. We heard a report of a tornado in Moscow Hills (northwest of St. Charles) but no injuries.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thks, Tomato. I appreciate that. Got a hold of two people, another I know out of town, can’t get hold of others but power is out and no injury reports. Earth City and St Charles took direct hits but it was fast. Craziest weather ever midwest this year.

            • Tomato Thetan

              Glad to hear your friends are okay, THDNE. I agree we’ve been having crazy weather–we had that freak foot of snow after a week where we were all wearing shorts back in March. Tornado tonight reported in Bridgeton that almost hit Lambert airport again, which only recently completed repairs from the direct hit it took in 2011. I love thunderstorms, but I’m ready for some clear skies!

  • Missionary Kid

    Off topic: the Huffington Post picked up the story of Tom Cruise and his mystery woman. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/31/tom-cruise-dating-mystery-woman_n_3367353.html#comments

    • media_lush

      lulz

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Well gang, I may take a few days off from the bunker, get some sunshine, take some walks. I am also having some comp problems that have me bummed. Have fun and don’t take any wooden nickels.

    • VickiStubing

      You will be missed! Enjoy the fresh air and life beyond the computer screen. Take care and be safe!

    • aquaclara

      Whaaaat??? Ooh, nooo. Who will keep us focused while you are gone??
      Really- enjoy the sunshine and have fun!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      have fun!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      So sorry… for us. Hope all will be well with you.

  • media_lush

    Boy…. this is not letting up…. this is even bigger (amount of media outlets addressing it) than the TomKat breakup

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Any thoughts on why, and why now?

      • media_lush

        My best guess is that all the media outlets/TV companies/Competing Studios etc just got fed up with the ridiculous ‘RESTRICTED’ PR juggernaut that surrounds Cruise and Smith. God forbid any chats how host was to raise the elephant in the room and mention scientology…. same with any journalist. Hell, even Jon Stewart didn’t bring it up when he had Tommy Girl on. This breeds a kind of simmering resentment – can you imagine the handlers they had to deal with before they actually got to the ‘star’. Compound that with the comparative failure of Oblivion and the obvious awfulness of After Earth and the general whiff of toxicity around scientology in general and you get a lot of people settling scores [it’s really difficult to settle a score with an actual good film].

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          tks. I just read Poison Ivy’s comments too. I get the impression that he’s “wearing all the hats” or trying to. That would mean he’s taking away food on the table from people who are actually trained to do those jobs. I see too what you’re saying about the handlers and the toxicity. Maybe the primadonna drag is getting old too.

          I saw that Jon Stewart interview and it was uncomfortable to watch. Well, some of the media outlets are letting out steam from decades of having to hold back, so what you say holds some semblance of possibility. I was surprised the backlash on this one has been so strong. I’m waiting for the day the Headley and de la Crescenzo and Derek Bloch stories surface to the top and get the spotlight. Hopefully some day is soon.

        • media_lush

          Notice how the only person who seems to have a genuine smile is Will’s first son…. probably the only one who’s had nothing to do with scientology!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            pix?

            • media_lush

              New York premiere of After Earth this Wednesday

  • Unex Skcus

    Best comment I noticed re “After Earth” was that it appeared to be seriously competing with “Battlefield Earth” for godawfulness. :)

  • Tone

    Tom Cruise and Will Smith; the heir and the spare?

  • Mary_McConnell

    I can appreciate David Touretzky’s replies to Matt Patches’ questions about the film. I found it hard to correlate the claims of it being based upon Scientology. Some of the concepts were very foreign to what Scientology and Dianetics are. Dave is a straight shooter and isn’t one to jump on the band wagon just because it would suit his general opinion of Scientology. I tend to think likewise. I think it’s important to not jump to conclusions and he hasn’t on this. I think it’s just a bad movie. Maybe Smith concocted this from auditing experiences… I could believe that, but there is no evidence he’s ever had auditing or is a Scientologist, nor admitted to being one. He’s just a proponent of the study tech, which is pretty bad in itself but does not make one a scientologist, just an ignorant and uneducated person being taken advantage of by a cult. Until I see more definitive proof he’s shilling scientology in his movies, or in his life ( outside of the Study Tech), I’m not joining in on making this a Scientology issue. The movie is bad enough that it’s not even necessary.

  • CommunicatorIC

    The Hollywood Reporter: Ex-church member Marc Headley says Will
    Smith’s latest contains language, concepts and imagery plucked directly
    from the L. Ron Hubbard playbook.
    http://m.hollywoodreporter.com/news/a-scientologist-reviews-earth-guest-561310

    • Tomato Thetan

      Whoops–that downvote was me. I was aiming for the link on my ipad and missed.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      marc headley lays down pretty straight arrows on his take of comparisons.

      where is Will Smith’s comments within this media blitz?

  • Whiningmachine

    Am I the only video game playing loser here who recognised that the music from the trailer is also the main theme to Deus Ex: Human Revolution? Did they run out of money halfway through post production or something?

  • jensting

    While there is no need for an actor to actually know anything about higher dimension math, there’s even less reason to demonstrate their ignorance in public. But,. I guess, being a victim of the mind-fuck perpetrated by the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology does cause people to spout rubbish at great length when they should just keep quiet…

  • media_lush

    I envisage Miscavige’s butt-hole re-puckering aplenty when even Forbes is now saying that the IRS should have another look at that whole scientology tax break thing….. (what a nice start to June)

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2013/06/01/tea-party-trumps-irs-by-self-declaring-tax-exemption/

    • 0tessa

      That is Miscavige’s biggest fear …

    • Jgg2012

      You know, the govt. has no statute of limitations–they go go back to 1993 if they fel that Scientology deceived them. And, if they do, that would bankrupt the cult.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Who knows…

    [IMG]http://i43.tinypic.com/mjb4z.jpg[/IMG]

    Sigh…

  • EnthralledObserver

    I am extremely devastated to possibly have to boycott Will Smith’s movies…. I really, really liked them. Well, evidently this latest one might not live up to his previous quality, but I had hopes for the future.
    Tom Cruise lost my money when he dissed Nicole, but now I’d give any Scilon star the flick.

  • dwayners13

    I may try this on my wife. “Okay dear, let’s try to figure out why you think I leave the toilet-seat up, my socks & towels & on the floor and why your angry that I’m going to play poker with my buddies on the same night we’re supposed to go to your mom’s house for supper. I’ve been keeping a record of your KR’s, along with your ethics folder. Now do you realize that your anger/frustration with me isn’t really about me, but rather your own evil purposes that have made you deluded”. On second thought, maybe this isn’t such a good idea. The ‘end phenomena’ would most likely be her foot in my ass. Plus she would probably exteriorize from our marriage.

    • pronoia

      The scenario you have just described is precisely the mind-fuck victims of domestic abuse are routinely subjected to. Which should not be surprising given Hubbard’s well documented history of cruelty toward his wives and some of his children.

  • USA MRIID

    “whiff of Scientology”

    The guy did not wipe well enough after his last toilet break.

  • R you there Xenu?It’s me L Ron

    For some reason I find myself very disappointed in Mr. Smith. For some reason I feel like he should know better. Being from west Philly born and raised, he should be able to smell the chicanery. Tom Cruise does ruins everything.

  • BosonStark
  • Jgg2012

    Here is a question for the lawyers to discuss: does watching After Earth constitute cruel and unusual punishment?