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HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Sunday Funnies: Scientology Gets Ideal in Taiwan

IASFuturoSmallNow that Scientology has re-jiggered its Bridge to Total Freedom, by golly, there’s no holding it back. And next stop on its crusade to take over the world is a new “Ideal Org” in Taiwan.

Our tipsters came through again this week with a great collection of new Scientology mailers and fliers from around the world.

At Saturday’s grand opening in Kaohsiung, Taiwan it looks like a fine time was had by all. We’re still waiting to hear if Scientology honcho David Miscavige made the scene.

In this photo, a local dignitary appears to be on screen leading the festivities…

Taiwan

 
 
Hey, hook ‘em young!

 
IASFuturo

 
 
Why would you go OT anywhere but at Ron’s home at Saint Hill!

 
Armelle

 
 
Only in Scientology would the arrival of a new dictionary have planet-shaking repercussions!

 
Dictionary2

 
 
Hey, wait a minute. Things are starting to look a little ideal.

 
917

 
 
Anyone hear who was named Freedom Medal winners this year?

 
FSMIAS

 
 
Maxim is so upstat!

 
ILO-PDURussia

 
 
We can never get enough of these newsletters from Scotland.

 
Newsletter148

 
 
Another humanitarian contributing to the new auditorium in LA!

 
PACjk

 
 
Paul sure looks like he thinks he’s joined “the most incredible team in the world,” doesn’t he?

 
austaff

 
Thanks again to our great tipsters. Keep those items coming!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on December 8, 2013 at 07:00

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  • L Mignacca

    Step right up….enjoy the show….

  • Sandy

    OT, Craziest football game EVAR!! Vikings vs Ravens!

    • Nevermore

      I was watching the Steelers v Dolphins. Sigh. A girl can only take having her heart broken so often, and I’m approaching the limit this season!

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Michigan State 34 – Ohio State 24

        I’m done with football in 2013. Already looking forward to the heartbreak that 2014 will provide.

        • Nevermore

          My football (soccer) team is doing OK, so I still have a bit of my heart that is not yet broken this season!

          • Mooser

            We are in the middle of the 49ers vs. Seahawks game. And this one is for some of the marbles! Not all, but some. We may end up with all the marbles, tho.

            • Nevermore

              I’m listening to that while I type stuff. Good game so far!

      • MaxSpaceman

        In Western Scotland, you’re a fish or steel fan?

        • Nevermore

          Steel. Started watching them in the 70s, when all we saw on the telly was the play-offs and the Superbowl. Luckily, they did quite well in the 70s… :-)

    • stillgrace2

      OT Back atcha … How about that Eagles/Lions Winter Wonderland Game? Go Niners!! You can do eet!

      • aquaclara

        Go Eagles! It was Beautiful from my family room, decorating the tree!

    • chukicita

      go, Bucs!

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      So OT powers DO work! Yay!

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Dec. 8: *refresh for image*

    Tony: US rank #15,731 – up 49 from yesterday.
    Scientology: US rank #34,632 – up 1,836 from yesterday.

    Difference: 18,901 – 1,787 less than yesterday.

  • SandiCorrena

    There is some good commenting going on at http://www.tvguide.com/News/Kirstie-Alley-Leah-Remini-1074382.aspx- Bret Smith is a white knight over there fighting the good fight with some trollys.

    • Qbird

      ah well – crazy is crazy – poor upset crazy lady… I ain’t no good at dealing with “trolls”. Just took some heat off of Bret Smith, whoever he is. ha!

      • Unex Skcus

        I like the troll’s avatar:

        • Qbird

          well Unex ~ the guy’s a muscle-head eh?! And like most commenting blogs, he just rants & raves and name calls. What ever turns your crank. He said Baby’s gonna be in trouble for falsely accusing him of roid-rage…. OOoooooooo Oh noes!!!
          Wonder what has him so angry anyway – I do not think he’s a scientologist – he called me one – like that was bad, but not as bad as being a democrat. I tell you what is really scary, he does think it is okay to hurt other people & break the law in the name of religion. Now how does one deal with that?

          • Great White Clam

            By not dealing with it. Turn it over to the proper authoritys.

          • Unex Skcus

            “Wonder what has him so angry anyway”… bad hair day?

    • aegerprimo

      I just checked out the TV Guide article, and read the comments. Some Bunkerites have been busy there! Love it. Anyway I added the below comment.

      —————————————————-

      Kirstie has personally attacked Leah, calling her names like BIGOT and an ENEMY.

      Leah, who has class, has not verbally attacked an individual member of the Church of Scientology. This is quoted from a September article of radaronline…
      “The church is looking for me to fail so they can say to their parishioners, ‘Look what happens when you leave.”
      http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/09/leah-remini-scientology-church-dancing-stars-fail/

      What did the Church of Scientology have to say about Leah and her Dancing with the Stars gig? This is quoted from an article from Hollywood Reporter…
      “A Scientology spokesperson told ABC News, “We know this may come as a surprise to someone as self-absorbed as Ms. Remini, but we could care less if she wins or loses on Dancing With the Stars.”
      http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/leah-remini-talks-scientology-split-634836

      If the Church of Scientology actually acted like a CHURCH and if Kirstie was a compassionate member of the Church, maybe they would’ve said something like…
      “Leah, its terrible things did not work out for you, but good luck to you and your family, and have a nice life.”

      • DamOTclese2

        The comments are goodness. :)

  • Jeb Burton

    I wonder how long it will be til Maxim is out in front of the Super power building as head of security. I have noticed most of the scientology security that have hassled me when Im downtown have eastern european accents. Welcome to Clearwater Maxim.

    • Espiando

      And you will be able to tell him by his ever-present pit stains, exacerbated by hot, humid Gulf Coast weather.

      • Missionary Kid

        I almost thought that Maxim’s photo was shooped.

  • IBBy

    That scottish newsletter irks me. I come from a very very long line of Scotsmen and women and for fucks sake none of my relatives still across the pond talk like theyre extras in braveheart. They have a distinct accent, yes (duh) but the verbage in that newsletter is almost tacky on purpose.

    ETA a distinct accent and colorful way of speaking. but not like that newsletter

    • Nevermore

      The ‘fearless leader’ is a fud, IBBy. ;-)

      • IBBy

        Well he’s mucking it up that we cant have nice things :(

    • ze moo

      Doesn’t that guy in the first scottish pic look wasted? Or Drunk? Talk about stereotypes….

  • Jo

    Is the mad red bow ethically recycled or mass produced?

    • ThetaBara

      Guess!

      • Nevermore

        I’d go with mass produced. Just a wild guess, you understand…

        • ThetaBara

          Actually I think they’re custom made with sea org slave labor.

          • Nevermore

            Why am I not surprised? Poor bastards.

  • media_lush

    Not often you get Beyonce and scientology in the same headline:

    Beyonce Doesn’t Want Her Mother, Tina Knowles, Dating Scientologist Richard Lawson

    http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2013/beyonce-mother-tina-knowles-richard-dawson-scientology-dating-couple-1208/

    • Sydjazz

      I always knew beyonce had brains

    • Meelah

      Didn’t know Richard was a Scino. It would make sense how they ended up together probably targeting the mom to get to Beyonce and Jay Z.

    • Nevermore

      They were probably hoping to get her mother in, and then her and Jay-Z through the mother. Sounds like Ms Knowles has more sense – good to hear!

  • Sydjazz

    My d@ck is this big that is why i keep making bigger orgs

    • Tory Christman

      That’s being far too kind to this wimp ass_dickless-coward, David Miscavige.
      (But it IS funny! LOL)

      • Nevermore

        Come on Tory, don’t hold back! ;)

        • Tory Christman

          Hey…I’m from Chicago—-and I grew up hanging around a lot of guys.
          So….what can I say? Yes, I speak my mind. :) I doubt I would have lasted
          on the Net, through ALL of $cientology’s Fair Game of me, had I not had my Dad’s education on bullies and his courage. :)

          • Nevermore

            I can imagine the Diddy Dictator reading your comments and gnashing his expensively capped and polished teeth. Hopefully so hard that they crack! ;)

      • Sydjazz

        Love your work tory. Now tell us what you really think lol

        • Tory Christman

          LOL!

    • Sydjazz

      Thanks for the downvote scion. Get back in the hole

    • OT8squared

      “Do you think maybe he’s compensating for something?” Shrek

    • DamOTclese2

      What a prick.

  • Tory Christman

    “We joined staff to bring sanity to this world” REALLY? Well, what about these things that happen daily within your phony “church”? I wrote this today on yesterdays post to a troll who was trying to put down Lori, a Mom who has been tragically cut off from her own kids by $cientology:

    It’s always amazing to me, having
    done the same myself when “in”, to hear peeps like you who can find the
    ONE thing that ***maybe** would shed a poor light on an ex-member. Yet
    ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of the crap, lies, Fair Game, Twisted Shit,
    abuse of your own “policies”, your “leader” David Miscavige beating
    people up, Locking people in “the Hole”, stopping of free speech (or
    the attempt to do so), declaring TONS of peeps–never using ONE Of the
    Policies that are supposed to be used before s/one is declared SP,
    ripping people off for thousands if not millions of dollars and laughing
    about it, medical abuse, including way too many deaths of members at
    FAR too young an age as well as horrific suicides and the breaking up
    of hundreds if not thousands of families …all that your phoney
    “church” does on a daily basis is ignored by you.

    Until you say your *real* name, offer a phone # or call me….
    I have zero trust in you. Either way, no matter what, I have this much
    use for your attempted “Black PR” of my friend, Lori: 0.
    YOUR GOD DAMNED CULT CUT HER OFF FROM HER KIDS. What do you have to say about *that* buster?

    So tell us more about bringing sanity to this world, and please don’t leave out the FACTS I mentioned above.
    Ex-Scientology Member: In for 30 years, Ex-Sea Org (briefly), Ex-Staff, Ex-OSA volunteer, Grad 5 Auditor, OT 7, woke up and escaped out in July of 2000 and have been speaking out, and experiencing your BS “Fair Game” for 13 years now. FU OSA. Dave? You can RUN but you CANNOT HIDE! TT TT Tory/Magoo

    • Great White Clam

      Yes. I think Tory speaks truth to clam cult.

      $cientology; Putting the BATSHIT In CRAZY for the last 43,891,832,611,177 years, 344 days, 10 hours, 20 minutes and 40 seconds from 10:02½ PM Daylight Greenwich Time May 9, 1963

    • Sydjazz

      Well said tory.

      • Tory Christman

        Thanks, Sydjazz…sadly—-it’s the truth.

    • Tory Christman

      http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/ These are *true* factual stories about just SOME of the MANY,
      Many people who have died needlessly while part of your cult of $cientology. Not ONE of the 9 kids I knew (all members of your phony “church”) who committed suicide is mentioned in this. Hundreds of Dead “OT’s” are not, either. You can buy: “Oh lots of people die” REALLY? LIKE THIS? 2 of the 9 kids killed themselves ON L RON HUBBARD’S Birthday! WTFU please and LOOK!

      • monkeyknickers

        I know one person I met on this board who committed suicide. I had kinda taken him under my wing – he lived only a few blocks from me in LA and was plainly suffering. He adored Ashleen (and she him). He was so young. It made a huge dent in my head. I hate this cult. I hate it.

        • grundoon

          Someone who posted here committed suicide?

          • monkeyknickers

            Yes.

            • OrangySky

              A still-in Scientologist?

            • monkeyknickers

              He was raised in the cult. I exchanged emails with him early on and we bonded. He lived about 4 blocks from Gelson’s (across from the celeb center. )

              He just didn’t have the ability to move forward in life. In respect for his mother, I won’t name him, but I’d love to put it on a banner and smash it Miscavige’s face.

            • grundoon

              I am so sorry.

            • monkeyknickers

              Shit sorry honey I didn’t answer – no, not in. He’d left a few months before. Still connected with his mother (in Michigan) but def out. And gay.

    • Observer

      We’ve all got skeletons in our closets–it’s part of being human. Snide accusations only cause me to view the accuser in a negative light; the more disingenuous and poisonous the accusation, the worse the accuser looks. And when a Scientologist is trying to plant poison, well … I just consider the Source.

    • Missionary Kid

      Right on, Tory! I’ve been telling everyone that when a troll shows up, to start stating entheta facts. A real $cion won’t answer them, except with vague answers. A person who is a wog troll will respond to that part, but a $cion won’t directly acknowledge that you’ve written it.

      Today’s troll, Guest, claimed to have written something critical about LRH. I challenged him to repeat it. Crickets. Yesterday, he kept following me around and posting the same childish thing. I just came back with more entheta. He finally shut up. Today, he admitted it was childish, but then tried to change the subject with a vague shot at what I’d done. I came back with more entheta. Disconnection is an easy one to charge Co$ with, and painful for them to deny, because they know it’s true.

      I tell everyone, use Wog Tech: If you get trolled, post entheta, don’t let him get away with general statements. Make them respond to your entheta! Nail his ass to the wall, figuratively if they don’t.

      Sorry Tory. I get wound up at people who try to derail us from the topic of the evil of Co$.

      • Tory Christman

        Yes, MK! I am the person who 1st started posting that in 2000, Missionary Kid: If Trolls derail…post
        FACTS they do not want known about L Ron Hubbard, David Miscavige, Links to FACTS (xenu.net or xenutv.com as an example) or facts about the phony “church” and their front groups. There IS an endless array of FACTS to keep posting. :)

        I know this from working with the OSA International Internet Top Secret Mafia and hearing their 3 goals for the Net: 1) Distraction
        2) Degrade any and all active critics …includes “Divide and Conquer” and
        3) Slime the area with BS so badly no one wants to post there any more. :)
        ((Magoo Waives to the OSA Ops :) WTFU plz! ))

      • Sarah James

        Crickets? I get the entheta facts and you are right, works like a charm.

    • Great White Clam

      Here is an interesting fact;

      L. Ron Hubbard was a persistant masturbator.

      In his “Affirmations” of 1947, Hubbard stated:

      I have a very bad masturbatory history. I was taught when I was 11 and, despite guilt, fear of insanity, etc. etc. I persisted.

      The ”guilt, fear of insanity, etc. etc.” from this persistant activity might have driven L. Ron Hubbard to insanety for on October 15 1947 Hubbard made a desparate request for psychiatric help from the Vetrens Administration;

      http://www.ronthenut.org/beg2.gif

      • Sydjazz

        Muahaha begging for psychiatric help. Cop that scions

      • Unex Skcus

        I was taught when I was 11“… WTF? By whom?

        • Observer

          Snake Thompson, I believe. Whether he really did or it was just one of Ron’s confabulations is another matter.

          http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=26920

          • OrangySky

            I think “Snake” was a pedophile who “groomed” LRH and possibly molested him – maybe if the “Commander” had left him alone, there would be no Scientology at all?

            • Great White Clam

              LOLOL Youre sayin $cientology may have been an conseqeunce of a implant?

        • Great White Clam

          Ask Who tought L. Ron Hubbard to masturbate?

          Commander Joseph Cheesman “Snake” Thompson MAYBE

      • Miss Tia

        what in the hell kind of kid needs to be TAUGHT how to masturbate?!?!?

        • grundoon

          The kind who blames others for everything.

    • SignsOfSuccess

      LOL What a bunch of craps.
      13 years of hate mongering and not one sign in your life of flourishing and prospering. Bhaaa…
      Look at Scientologists, they are happy living fantastic lives and spiritually growing.
      That’s the real picture rational people around the globe have regarding SCN.

      • Espiando

        And you keep believing that, Marco, and keep achieving solace and orgasm with your goats. Because the truth is hard for you to face. Your religion is a worldwide joke, and you’ve turned yourself into one.

        By the way, Dead Agenting Tory has been tried by better Scilons than you, and failed miserably. It simply can’t be done anymore. Why? Magoo has mammoth /b/ackup these days. She’s far more credible than anyone in your cult will ever be.

      • Nevermore

        Yes, Paul in that flyer above, he looks happy and like he’s living the dream, doesn’t he?

      • Missionary Kid

        So, what about all the violating of LRH’s policies about one’s 2D? Why is COB hanging around with Laurisse Schtuppendwarf while his wife is out of the way? Why hasn’t Psychiatry and Psychology’s business been taken over by $cientology? It’s been over 50 years.

        • Espiando

          MK, going with the whole entheta routine is useless with Marco. He’s too deep into the Kool-Aid. Just stick with my goat-fucking policy vis-a-vis him. That seems to work.

          • Missionary Kid

            Poor goats. What kind of thetans do they leave on Marco’s body?

        • SignsOfSuccess

          COB is COB, he deserves even 4 wifes for what I care.

          • Nevermore

            But having an adulterous relationship is against the rules he’s supposed to uphold, so how does that work?

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Don’t worry, he knows the policy. And don’t listen to “rumors”.

            • Espiando

              And which policy is that? Isn’t your whole cult supposed to be run by LRH policy? Point out the LRH policy which explicitly states that the head of the Church can put his wife in a modern-day terem and fuck his secretary.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              That’s wog society. A society that you appreciate so much, but a society that need to be de-aberrated by SCN.

            • Espiando

              No, I’m asking you for an LRH reference, you pathetic little micro-brain. Answer the question: point out the LRH policy which explicitly states that the head of the Church can essentially imprison his wife and fuck his secretary.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’m curious as to your opinion on this, SOS. Aside from LRH, COB or any celebrity entertainer, who has been the most successful Scientologist? That is, which Scientologist has had the biggest positive impact on humanity?

            • Nevermore

              No, SCN has nothing I need. Thanks anyway.

            • Just Dee

              SOS,. go back and start reading what you are typing. You sound crazy, you really do. And threatening….

            • Nevermore

              But they’re not just rumours. Leah Remini was punished for reporting them behaving inappropriately at Tom Cruise’s wedding – that’s more than just a rumour, methinks. And you seem rather blase about a ‘religious’ leader who thinks he’s above his own rules. Are you not even a little alarmed by that?

            • SignsOfSuccess

              That’s what Remini said. That’s is the only source of that rumor.
              But of course with hundred SCNists there she was the only one smarter…LOL

            • Espiando

              In a room full of a hundred Scientologists, your average retard would be the smartest person in the room.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              You HATE Scientologists don’t you?

            • Espiando

              Yes, I do. If given the opportunity to perform Auditing Routine R2-45 on you, Marco, the only hesitation I’d have is to make sure that I have AP ammo loaded. One shot, one kill. You’d have no hesitation doing the same to me. That would be following LRH policy, after all.

            • Nevermore

              Or maybe the only one with the balls to attempt to make the leader of her religion live up to the tenets of that religion? When was he last audited, incidentally?

            • palmas74

              Well my OT friends who died from cancer in the 90s and 2000s are not “rumors”, they are DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.

            • IASREG

              So he IS an SP not following policy! I will write a KR reporting such as coming from you, thanks.

          • Espiando

            So why doesn’t COB RTC convert to Islam, where he’d be allowed four wives? Also, Islam would have benefits for you. They regard goat-fucking as perfectly acceptable.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Don’t worry about COB’s life. Think about your life first.
              Are you flourishing and prospering? Of course not, so take care of you first.

            • Espiando

              In point of fact, I am flourishing and prospering on the only dynamic that matters to me, the First. I’m making an income that’s well above average for a family in the US, much less a single man. I have a nice little apartment close to my job. And when I want 2D action, I can get it. I don’t need to rely on ladyboys and goats to create a 1950s-style environment that’s acceptable to some fake church like you do, Marco.

            • Missionary Kid

              Again, you’re listening to rumors, self-created inside your head.

            • Miss Tia

              Wow GOB (typo and it stays) sure is flouring and prospering! One wife banished to private prison, having an affair and whereas anyone else in CO$ would get in trouble for that, not him! His father, brother, other family members blown the cult. He has a drug addict sister. He is fearful every day of the feds arresting him because he knows the crimes he’s committed and continues to commit. He defrauds people, abuses them, violates human rights. And you defend that POS? Seriously?

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Well, I don’t believe idiotic rumors.

            • Espiando

              Except these rumors have been published in reputable newspapers by actual journalists, not the ones working for Freedumb. And guess what? No suits for libel, slander, or defamation. That’s prima facie truth, bucko.

            • Missionary Kid

              The cognitive dissonance is strong in your head. You ignore things that are available under the Freedom of Information act about LRH because you’re a True Believer, as Eric Hoffer would put it.

              How long have you been in?

            • Miss Tia

              I don’t listen to idiots.

            • Observer

              ..

            • IASREG

              No, we need to worry about COB’s life since most of his family have left the church! Cob’s FAMILY HAS BLOWN!!! David Miscavige is hated by his own family!

          • Missionary Kid

            So, he’s a hypocrite, like the basis of $cientology? Why isn’t TC disconnected from Suri? After all, she’s a PTS.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Don’t use SCN terms that you don’t understand otherwise you look silly.
              Nothing better to do at your age? What’s the matter are you feeling lonely?

            • Espiando

              If you’re a Bunkerite, you’re never lonely, you pathetic excuse for a shit-stain. And we understand Scientology terms better than you think, punk. We’ve made a study of them. We can communicate with you in your language. Can you communicate with your 2D in a common language? Doubtful, because I don’t think the TRs and Study Tech can teach you goat.

            • Missionary Kid

              So, I’m just shattered, totally shattered by your confrontation. What are you doing here? Feeling masochistic? Oops, it’s probably your make-up session for fucking up, so you go out and try to “enturbulate.” I think LRH meant to say “masturbate.”

          • OrangySky

            You think, like Joseph Smith, COB will have a “polygamy” revelation? Straight from LRH?

      • Jo

        SOS, when are you to post the photos of the great advent you attended? Getting bored waiting, esp, with Ray.

        • Espiando

          He also still owes us a photo of Guillaume Lesevre “attending” the opening of Milan Idle Morgue. That’s his big proof that GL isn’t in the Hole, remember.

      • palmas74

        What about my 3 OTVIII friends that are dying of cancer? and my Clear friend who died from cancer last year, and my 5 OT friends who are loosing their houses?

        • SignsOfSuccess

          LOL. Were they being audited by Magoo or Rathbun?

          • Missionary Kid

            If the tech is so good, how come it took so long for Co$ to detect those SPs? The tech must not be very good. Look at all the executives that didn’t make it to the opening of the SP, er, Flag building.

            • Baby

              Kid.. Only a Scn can turn 2,500 ( half staff/ SO) into 10,000 when they first expected 8 million..hahahhahaa

              and this Lame { Chirch} clims so many Celebrities.. Yet the same predictable 3 Showed up..

              Cruise, Travolta and { Wife} … Speech that they have been waiting for ( How many years?) lasted 8 minutes..hahahhahahhahhaha

              What a joke.. People are Blowing right and left..

            • Missionary Kid

              Yeah. When the flag drops, as they say in racing, the bullshit stops. I’d be surprised to see a rally of 10,000 $cientologists anywhere.

          • Espiando

            Magoo doesn’t audit. She knows how much bullshit it really is. And where’s this apropos of nothing assault of Marty coming from? Oh, wait, that’s right, it’s almost the 11th, and your COB RTC is s-h-i-t-t-i-n-g in his big-boy pants at the prospect of having to go into court to commit perjury.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              30 years in SCN and she can’t audit? LOL
              I’m not surprised then she is an SP.

            • Espiando

              She could. She doesn’t. By her choice. And, oh, by the way, I do know of someone who’s been in for about forty years or so who can’t audit. In fact, he didn’t even graduate from his Class III course due to various and sundry reasons. You know him as COB RTC.

            • Missionary Kid

              So, how long have you been in?

          • palmas74

            Do really want the auditors names?

            • Baby

              Yes..

          • Clamation

            If they were, it was according to the infallible Tech. The Tech can do no wrong.

            Oh wait, maybe the infallibility of the the Tech expires as soon as someone blows….curious!

          • IASREG

            Auditing has never cured one case of cancer and never will.

          • monkeyknickers

            Signs – please please continue expressing your views here. It’s important to have both sides represented. But maybe you could be less . . . aggro? Am I explaining that right? Missionary Kid is a fantastic man. And if you want to “win souls” a little softness and lack of name-calling will help, you know? I’m sorry people gang up on you. But temperance is a gift, and I think it’s in you to use it, no? I want to hear your side, and I want this to be a balanced forum. But you should be . . . . nicer basically. Just to not alienate everyone immediately. And so on.

      • Missionary Kid

        Why are so many orgs vacant?

        • SignsOfSuccess

          Because they have moved to another locations.

          • Espiando

            And they didn’t tell any of the local Scilons the new address?

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Nope, they didn’t tell YOU their new address.

            • Espiando

              Amazing, because I know the addresses of the Chicago Org and the Unoccupied, Rotting, Graffiti-Covered, Human-Derelict-Inhabited Chicago Idle Morgue. In fact, your own church’s websites give out the addresses of all of the orgs on Teegeeak. Don’t you know this, or has your goat given you a sexually-transmitted brain parasite?

            • Missionary Kid

              Oh, it’s the super seekrit chirch that likes to keep its doctrine copyrighted, so us wogs won’t know that LRH is a fraud, a liar, and a thief.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Nope, it’s copyrighted so you wogs can’t twist it or change it like it happened to other main stream religion. LRH was smart.

            • Espiando

              Then why hasn’t CST sued Marty, Les and Anita, the Lembergers, etc., for copyright infringement?

            • SignsOfSuccess

              No need to. They will be gone soon.

            • Espiando

              No, they won’t. Les and Anita have been around for years. The Lembergers have more people on lines at Dror than the Tel Aviv Idle Morgue has, by far. And Marty…COB RTC will have a chance to see him in person again very, very soon, in a courtroom in Comal County.

            • Missionary Kid

              Just like the psychiatrists and psychologists, huh?

            • Baby

              Ohhh Threats from a Troll.. God I love this …

              Gone has so many different Connotations, huh?

            • Missionary Kid

              Don’t you just love it when COB and other $cions makes predictions, like the opening in a few years of the Sooper Power building, that takes what, 15?

            • Baby

              Ahhhh sing along with me Kid..” It’s all about the Money, Money, Money…. ”

              and you know what ? That super Power Building will absolutely cost a fortune.. On the cornerstone of that building reads..

              ” We would rather Have You Dead than Incapable.. ” LRH

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Have you spent a dime on that building Baby?
              No? So…? What’s your problem?
              A little obsessed? Something to fear?

            • Espiando

              Dirty Dancing time, Marco: when I’m here, nobody messes with Baby.

              Gloves are off, bitch. Bloodshed will commence.

            • Baby

              UH OH..

            • Nevermore

              Fear? LOL! Get over yourself!

            • Baby

              Can you imagine…? bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhahaha

            • Nevermore

              We shouldn’t mock. That was probably the highpoint of his weekend, thinking someone was in a state of fear over… Over what? A cult ruled by an ignorant psychopathic midget with a Napoleon complex and all the charm of a serial killer on drugs! Not to mention the syphilitic brain pixies (thanks Espiando!). I mean, yeah, what’s not to fear? I am now terrified! :-D

            • Baby

              Girl.. I am just Shaking.. *** LOOKS AROUND**** oh it’s just my puppy..

              Just what am I supposed to fear? They have NOTHING that I want.. I am surrounded by my Bunker Buddies and we all have each others backs.

              Can Scn say that? I mean they have to report each other for Sec Checks.. Come on Now..

              ” AIN’T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT..” Sweet Brown

            • Nevermore

              That’s one of the saddest things about the cult. No-one has anyone else’s back. Instead they have the Stasi-like culture of informing on each other. That’s sad, not to mention disgusting and despicable. And worse, they have to PAY to live like that!

            • Baby

              Ain’t no shame in my game darlin.. I’m all good. I fear nothing. Nothing..

              Not bankruptcy, losing my home, working my ass off so that COB can live in the lap of luxury..

              I don’t fear the RPF.. or having my Stats up on Thurs.. Don’t feel threatened..

              I eat well, I sleep well..

              Obsessed.. I have always lived a Purpose Driven LIfe. My purpose now is to Educate those ill informed about the dangers of this Evil Cult.

              The many people who have died at the hands of this cult..People who only wanted to improve the planet.

              LRH was a Con Man.. A liar who started pressuring the IRS through intimidation and law suits to give them Tax Exempt.

              DM took the reigns and took it to the next level. So yes I am obsessed and will continue to be so until the truth is exposed.

              The law suits are excellent ways to bring this Cult Front and Center.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              What’s 15 compared to eternity? No SCNists complained. Only you guys are complaining, like you having a ticket to do the rundowns…LOL

            • Espiando

              We can do the Super Power rundowns without any Church help if we want. They’re pretty much all public knowledge. Or hasn’t anyone told you about that yet? Dan Koon blew those open months ago. Das Rinderblog has a summary of them up there today, in fact.

              They’re pretty much shit. You Scilons gave $200 million for refried Hubbard logorrhea.

            • Baby

              OMG SOS You are so delusional… The Running Track in the SP Building? I can go outside and run for nothing..

              Yet it costs $2,500 to do it.. + as Espiando said..

              It is all available.. Every last Rundown. For absolutely NOTHING..

            • Clamation

              I did OT3 for free, it’s so fun to see your secrits! They are all preserved on the Dark Net.

              Well, your secrets are actually excruciatingly lame, so maybe it’s not all that fun…

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Well, with those it will take a little longer.

            • Espiando

              But COB RTC said that Big Psych would be taken care of by 2000. Don’t tell me that he lied?!

            • Baby

              Yeah.. and I am one of those Big Psychs Espi.. And I am living a life that SOS can only dream about..

              What is up with that?

            • SignsOfSuccess

              If you are here spreading hate every single day, I doubt you having a wonderful life.
              Look at you.

            • Espiando

              But spreading hate every single day is a key component for me having a wonderful life. Factor that in, you shitstain on the BVDs of life.

            • Observer

              That sounds like a threat.

            • Baby

              I just typed that myself Observer..to Missionary Kid..

            • Baby

              I lied about not commenting..again..

              Just a question.. What do you mean by gone? Where are they going?

            • SignsOfSuccess

              It’s about self-destruction.

            • Espiando

              Which your church is giving a grandmaster course in right now. Lawsuits to the left of me, ripoffs to the right…

            • Baby

              Well.. OK So I am in the Psychiatric field.. How am I going to self destruct?

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Didn’t you said four replies earlier that it was the last one to me?
              LOL…I know., I know…obsession is a shity thing.

            • Espiando

              What did I say about anyone messing with Baby? You’d better stop, Marco, and just leave. Final warning.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Don’t be jealous. It’s not good for your already nasty liver..

            • Espiando

              If my liver’s so nasty, why don’t you come over and do a touch assist on it? And you seem to have an M/U on the word “jealous”. Why don’t you go off and Method 9 Word Clear it, then come back, oh, never?

            • OrangySky

              You mean a liver as sickly and drug/alcohol-addled as LRH’s liver? And a bloodstream filled with Vistaril, a psychiatric drug, that was confirmed by his autopsy?
              LRH lied to you, SoS. He lied and David Miscavige lied.
              And yet you sit back and let yourself believe those lies, because it’s less scary than actually looking at the truth.

            • Room 101

              Just flag all his comments from here on out. Don’t reply.

            • DamOTclese2

              Just from direct observations, once customers flee Scientology and get their lives back, they do far better than they ever did while handing their money to the syndicate.

            • Just Dee

              I agree with Observer’s statement. This sounds like a threat.

            • OrangySky

              Was that a threat on their lives, SoS?

            • Missionary Kid

              So, why did DM remove LRH’s racist statements from publications that were done when LRH was in charge and had to approve of them?

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Because they could have taken out off context like 1.1 people are used to do.
              SPs have great ability to twisting concepts, (Jeff H. is a perfect example), let alone concepts that are dealing with sensible stuff in this society.

            • Espiando

              1.1 cannot be taken out of context. It’s goddamn blatant. And it’s a clarion call for me: you want me dead, so I want you dead. And I’m pretty fucking persistent.

              You are right, though, in saying that there are concepts that Scientology has that deal with sensible stuff in this society. The concepts are guaranteed to make them completely insensible.

            • Clamation

              “SPs have great ability to twisting concepts”

              Apparently we also have great ability to write normally. You get an F for grammar. Going to wog school can help with that.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Well, I’ ve never studied English, I’m just figuring out how to express myself in that language. I hope to not make to many mistakes.

            • Espiando

              Your first and biggest mistake was coming here, goat-fucker. You had better tell your OSA masters that you’re retiring immediately, otherwise you’re in for a world of pain that touch assists from your syphilitic brain pixies won’t help.

            • DamOTclese2

              You say “goat-fuck” as if that’s a bad thing. Pan would disagree. :)

            • Clamation

              Funny, I think you are lying.

            • Nevermore

              Come off it – racist statements pretty much speak for themselves, with no twisting required. And in any case, there are clips of El Ron speaking those very statements out loud, on film. Revising the written material was a waste of time. Unless it was just to make sure ‘parishioners’ had to pay out more money.

            • DamOTclese2

              Would you like to join our Tone 1.1 Club, Signs? We have free lubrication.

            • DamOTclese2

              Begin Fair Use extract

              A. “A BT or cluster messed up in running OT III?” (If this reads, do B below. If no read, check “Suppressed?” and “Invalidated?”)

              B. Pre-OT finds the BT or cluster by position in, on or around (outside) the body. (Same BT or cluster that read in A above and same meter read.)

              C. Assess down this list with Pre-OT’s attention on that BT or cluster, until you get a read, and indicate the reading line.

              D. If no blow on indication, complete the OT III action, to blow of the BT or cluster.

              E. If no blow on D above, or you can’t complete the OT III action on that same BT or cluster, continue to assess down this Repair List to next reading line, as there could have been more than one error. Handle per steps C and D. (NB: You should check “Suppressed?” and “Invalidated?” on “Earlier Inc I” and “Earlier Universe?” if no read on either.)

              F. When BT or cluster blown, return to Step A and handle per Steps B – E. Repeat this sequence A – E until Step A no longer reads and just F/Ns on the question.

              You forget that your intellectual superiors have public domain free copies of all of Hubbard’s most astoundingly brilliant scientific discoveries like these.

            • DamOTclese2

              Uh, apparently they didn’t bother to inform the IRS either since the clam offices that keep closing fall off the 501(c)3 books as well. Woops! That’s either tax fraud or all eleventy million Scientology clams are clustered around Kirstie Alley’s ass.

            • Great White Clam

              Theyre OatTea! They got OT knowingnessss! They just know.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Right. Did you see that with a little effort you can use your mind too?

            • Missionary Kid

              So, how long have you been in?

            • DamOTclese2

              ROFL! Yeah. Kinda sucks when your own “church” packs up and moves and doesn’t tell you where they’ve gone to. :)

          • Missionary Kid

            In Holland, Beverly Hills? Orange County? Bankruptcy in Norway? Yes, I know, Beverly Hills moved to Santa Monica. So when’s the Valley Ideal org opening?

          • Baby

            SOS.. This is my one and Only comment to you.. Cause I don’t have time for Scn Trolls tonight..

            I get it ..this is your Assignment.. You have to be here. You are NOT a good Troll. Much too obvious.

            I also get that your job is to distract, confront and shatter. OK.. I will not allow you to distract me.

            and if that is your confronting skills.. The Tech ain’t working…

            Cause as long as you have been here..You haven’t Shattered One person. You are a gnat buzzing around that gets shooooed away and doesn’t leave..

            OK.. that is it for me.. Merry Christmas ..I am putting up my tree tonight. Remember your childhood Christmases..?

            Done.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Merry Christmas to you too.

            • Jo

              I think Ray is depressed?

          • Great White Clam

            Where? Venus? Marcab? The Van Allen radiation belt?

          • Clamation

            No, they haven’t moved. People go in and out periodically, maybe 2 or 3 a day. And these are the major orgs in the major cities.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Yeah, someone has to remove stuff when relocating.

            • Espiando

              Well, they weren’t doing a good job of that, since no one seemed to be carrying anything. And what about Chicago Org? They aren’t moving, despite the fact that they bought the Idle Morgue building six years ago. Major city, only two or three public a day.

              It’s not only your org that’s failing. It’s your entire cult. Be one of the rats leaving the sinking ship, Marco. I know that’s a major step upward on the evolutionary scale for you, but it’s your only chance at survival.

            • DamOTclese2

              Just how many Body Thetans can one Scientology customer move in a day? Assuming they have no cartons, no buckets, nothing but their own infested butt cracks, I mean?

          • DamOTclese2

            Yeah, they all moved to the Underground Bunker.

        • DamOTclese2

          They’re not vacant! No! They’re all hiding, playing Hide and Seek! Yeah! That’s it! Did you check under the refrigerator?

          • Missionary Kid

            *Big, wide, grin.*

            • DamOTclese2

              LOL! I like the idea of search for 8 million missing clams under the refrigerator. :)

      • Sunny Sands

        1-866-XSEA-ORG

        LRH is a liar, thief and a con man.

        David Miscavige’s management style seems to require physical assault, and he is screwing a woman other than his wife.

        L. Ron Hubbard died a drugged out maniac in exile after letting everyone, including his wife, take the fall on Federal charges in the U.S.

        The Tech is nonsense and The Bridge does not exist.

        Now….hurry to your local org and get all the entheta rinse out. Bring your credit cards.

      • Great White Clam

        Take some advice from P.A.B. 69 6 January, 1956 “Six Levels of Processing.” L. Ron Hubbard writes:

        The goal of Waterloo Station is not to make the pc make one thing vanish. That phenomenon is just the start. Auditors have been quitting when the pc made somebody’s hat disappear. When the pc can make the whole universe wink on and off at his consideration to know or not-know it, you’re getting somewhere — so don’t stop at a hat.

        Wink off, trolls. Dont forget your hats and dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

        • DamOTclese2

          When the pc can make the whole universe wink on and off at his consideration

          Is that fucking old insane conman charging people to teach them how to close and open their eyes? Would not surprise me, these claims pay for the privelage of running around a pole and reading “solo nots” on their own in their homes.

      • Unex Skcus

        “Look at Scientologists, they are happy living fantastic lives and spiritually growing.”

        Like, um, Lisa McPherson? Quentin Hubbard? Stacy Murphy? (ad nauseam)

        • SignsOfSuccess

          Nope, like millions of others Scientologists.

          • Nevermore

            Millions? Really? Why all the empty orgs then?

            • DamOTclese2

              For some strange reason, all the eleventy million clams are all in hiding. Did anyone bother to check under the refrigerator for them?

            • Missionary Kid

              They’re in the chowder I had for lunch and on your local supermarket shelves.

            • DamOTclese2

              ROFL! Well duh! Why didn’t I think of that! They’re all in the frozen foods sections of the world’s markets! This time I hope nobody drops fusion bombs on them considering the fact that wogs would also get blown to bits. And even if we’re collected on magnetic ribbons I don’t think I want to share the same DC8 with clams.

            • Missionary Kid

              After a few hours at room temperature, they really start to smell. I don’t care how good the air conditioning is in a closed vessel.

          • Jo

            Your funny, millions, lol.

          • Missionary Kid

            Where are the millions? They sure don’t show up on the census. Oh, yeah, they’re ashamed.

          • Espiando

            The hundreds of thousands of pixies that inhabit your syphilitic brain do not count toward that total, Marco.

          • Observer

            ..

            • monkeyknickers

              HAHAHA

              Why are you so good at this shooping stuff?? :)

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Because it’s there and it doesn’t need shooping.That’s why.

            • Espiando

              In what reality are millions of Scientologists there? Honestly, in DSM-V, there are about a dozen or so mental illnesses summarized by the words “See Marcotai”. Add on untreated tertiary syphilis, and that just about covers you.

            • Observer

              You are correct about this one. I didn’t alter either of these photos, I just superimposed the aerial pic of the “crowd” at the Flag opening over the one of the parking sign photographed near Flag before the event. The pitiful turnout for the greatest event in Scientology history speaks for itself.

            • Observer

              It’s a labor of love. :)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I wish I could it do it too. MK expresses the desire better.

          • Missionary Kid

            If there are millions of $cions, then they should be able to fill, say the Rose Bowl, or the Orange Bowl easily. They have trouble filling Ruth Eckerd Hall without sending out orders for weeks in advance.

          • IASREG

            There aren’t millions. Only 30,000 emeters were manufactured. You buy your emeters yet?

      • palmas74

        “scientologists, they are happy living fantastic lives”
        Strange, i’ve visited clearwater in the past and see all these somber people in uniforms with sour fascial expressions, no one smiles, no one seems happy. I’d offer a starbucks coffee to cheer one up but i don’t think they would accept, and I asked to my wife what is wrong with this people?, is so sad.

      • Jo

        Tory is fabulous, funny, sweet and interesting.

        • SignsOfSuccess

          With a 1.1 smile.

          • Missionary Kid

            So, why is JT still in? He’s obviously 1.1 because of all the gay relationships he’s tried to have by hitting on all those men.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Only in your imagination, dirty old man.

              .

            • Espiando

              And the testimony of corroborating witnesses. As someone who’s been hit on in a sauna numerous times by fat old trolls, I find their testimony entirely believable.

            • Missionary Kid

              Then why did his insurance company have to pay out tens of thousands of dollars for sexual harassment suits on his behalf to males? That’s a fact.

            • Missionary Kid

              LRH was the dirty old man, jacking off with Parsons.

            • DamOTclese2

              Hey, in the 1970s, who wasn’t? I mean really.

            • Missionary Kid

              In a jerk-off session, standing over a woman?

            • Clamation

              You seem hypersensitive about JT being gay… is there something wrong with being gay? The only reason for it not being a value-neutral observation (rather than something “dirty” to use your words) is your own bigotry.

              Is Miscavige feeling less sick, after all his recent screw ups in Clearwater? He’s really collapsing your religion, isn’t he?

            • Missionary Kid

              Mi$cavige is the greatest SP $cinetology has ever had. Thank Xenu.

          • Espiando

            That’s the best type of smile there is. Anything that causes your cult pain, I rejoice in, and I take nourishment from your sweet, sweet tears of agony.

          • Jo

            SOS, why does Ray keep deleting his posts, kinda of weird? Also where’s the photos of the great event you attended?

            • Guest

              no posts were erased, you need glasses?

            • Jo

              No, I got glasses.

            • Jo

              Ray, with or without glasses? U2 cover, just for you. http://youtu.be/dHO43KUwCvA

            • Eclipse-girl

              yes, I saw it too

          • IASREG

            Like L. Ron Hubbards mouthfull of rotten teeth?

          • Eclipse-girl

            no evidence of that.

      • Guest

        people find meaning and identity in being part of a movement, and they never leave the comfort of the fight and usually remain unaware that they are entangled in the past, to much drama and juicy distractions that keep them glued to the past.

        people leave scientology and then spend every waking moment talking about scientology never realizing they have not yet left scientology just travelled to the other side of the coin but same coin

        but to each their own – we all get to choose what we are going to do in universe while we are here – i am not aware that there is a right or wrong thing to be doing or not doing…

        • Missionary Kid

          Sock Puppet, Is that you? Can you attest to how fucked up LRH was?

        • Nevermore

          I think the laws of whatever country you are in will give you some guidance as to the right/wrong things to do/not to do, at least from a legal standpoint!

        • SignsOfSuccess

          “people leave scientology and then spend every waking moment talking
          about scientology never realizing they have not yet left scientology
          just travelled to the other side of the coin but same coin”

          That’s cool. We call it “obsession” and compulsive hate.

          • Espiando

            Too bad that your Tech can’t handle it, huh?

          • Guest

            I call it not having a life worth living. That is why what scientologists are doing wrong is soooooooo interesting and sooooooo fascinating and people here obsess and pretend they are on an important IMPORTANT mission and the bigger the villain they create and imagine and talk to each other about the more justified one is in wasting so much time over what other people are doing.

            oh and anyone who points that out? well, duh! they are trolls of course,

            • Missionary Kid

              Trolls who ignore the shoddy reality of their lying founder and uneducated leader.

            • Guest

              Yah, thats what I meant, trolls who ignore the shoddy reality of their lying founder and uneducated leader.

            • Missionary Kid

              Lying founder = LRH
              Uneducated leader = COB

            • Eclipse-girl

              both were uneducated. Ron was made ti graduate HS by his father

            • Missionary Kid

              Sock puppet, you’re good, but not that good. How does it feel to be a legend in your own mind? Oh, yeah, schizophrenia. You’re typing out the different voices in your head, like LRH’s obsession with his mother trying to abort him.

            • joan nieman

              Too bad she didn’t do just that before he was allowed to grow and fester.

            • Missionary Kid

              Could be that he’s the result of an unsuccessful one, or that he projected some abortion performed on one of his girlfriends or wives. Who knows? He was a perv.

            • joan nieman

              Shudder…..cringe….

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You know that you spend much more time here than the average poster. So why do YOU waste YOUR time here pestering people if you believe this is such a waste of time in the first place? If everyone here is such a loser, why would YOU devote so much of YOUR life to come here and argue with people that you are so much better than? Could it be that you are full of shit?

            • IASREG

              Scientology is a much weaker and smaller villain than it was in the past. Strange how that has happened as more people came forward and more has become known about this criminal organization called Scientology. It is best to keep focus on it for a while longer until it truly implodes upon itself.

          • Jo

            Not true.

          • Missionary Kid

            So, why are you here? don’t have anything better to do, and are looking forward to abuse? A $cientologist is simply a person on their way to becoming an ex-$cientologist.

          • Snippy_X

            It’s still better to be obsessed with AA than with drinking booze. It might even be better to be a rabid ex-smoker than a smoker, but that one is pushing it. Hopefully, it is a transitional phase between a bad obsession (Scientology) and a more mentally healthy one (Anti-Scientology). Hatred and anger are natural initial responses that help people heal from abusive situations. And lot’s of people are obsessive. The trick is to channel it for good and learn to work in a little moderation along the way. Time heals all wounds.

        • Missionary Kid

          People spend every waking moment after they’ve left Clamland to prevent others from the harm that they’ve received from Co$, be it financial, physical, or mental, because of the fucked up ideas of LRH, who was a liar, a thief, and an incompetent Naval officer who caused an international incident by shelling a Mexican island.

          • Guest

            nah, you got nothing better to do

            • Eclipse-girl

              another person who erases their comments.

            • Guest

              no comments have been erased, get your eyes checked, or not

            • Eclipse-girl

              I can not follow your past posts.

            • Guest

              my activity is private. many here have their activity set to private, is that so threatening and foreign to you?

            • Missionary Kid

              So, then, how long have you been in? You have a penchant for secrecy, because, I believe, you believe the tech doesn’t work and won’t protect you from the entheta thoughts that are creeping in your brain. You, like the Chirch of $cientology, Edit: are kings of historical revisionism, afraid that LRH’s mysogynism and racism will be exposed for what they are.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              It’s not set to private. You click the Delete button. You use the fact that it only removes your display name and not the comment itself as a lame technicality to claim that you don’t erase comments. But you click Delete each and every time. Lie about it again.

            • Guest

              you are totally fuking nuts , wow, and the best part is you underground bunker people all buy into each other’s crazy shit….group think at its most spectacular

            • Missionary Kid

              Just like the rest of American society, when asked what their opinion of $cientology is, roll their eyes, or boo #2 big being at a baseball game.

              No wonder Will Smith avoids telling the truth, that he’s a $cion. Nice to see you again, SOS. Welcome back.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Blatantly lying doesn’t fit with your usual “I have a different point of view so everyone calls me a troll” narrative.

            • Aslansown

              Usually if someone’s profile is private, there’s a picture of a lock and it says it’s private. This one says “toilettrained hasn’t commented yet.” Not sure if that’s a discus change or something else…

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Not a change. Deleting actually does remove the comment from the user’s public profile. But it doesn’t reset the number of posts. So it’ll show that “toilettrained” has 11 posts but still show “hasn’t commented yet” where the comments would display. This means he has deleted 11 comments. I hope that makes sense. This guy makes a brand new account each time he comes here, anyways.

            • Missionary Kid

              The Saints -Panthers game is on. Kickoff.

            • riotgrrrl

              hey.

      • Missionary Kid

        So, why do so many $cientologists commit suicide? Why does Co$ offload people who are sick or elderly?

        • SignsOfSuccess

          Until you SPs will be around, that may happen again.

          • Espiando

            Good. Then I plan to live as long as possible in order to make sure that no Scientologists are left on this planet. I’m the SP of your nightmares, Marco.

          • Nevermore

            Translation please??

          • Missionary Kid

            So us SPs are causing you $cientologists, who have all that control over MEST to get sick? Maybe there’s no control. SPs rule!

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Yes, it’s called “PTSness”.

            • Missionary Kid

              So, in fact, OTs don’t control shit. They get sick in spite of all the auditing they may do. The tech is fake.

            • IASREG

              You and Tom Cruise pulled in the exodus and small event numbers!!! Are you hiding any old e-meters? You need to turn those in to the church.

            • Baby

              I absolutely don’t get the Point of you being here.. You aren’t supposed to interact with SPs..

            • joan nieman

              Maybe SOS is a masochist and loves to be demeaned and put down. He is wasting his time and his incoherent words are blown away in the wind.

            • Missionary Kid

              I think he may be doing his amends to get back in the good graces of Co$, but that’s just an idea. He sure is reluctant to answer simple questions, like, ?How long have you been in?”

            • Baby

              The more you come here the more truth comes out about your { Chirch } I know one absolute truth..

              YOU WILL NOT SILENCE US. Tony O gives us a forum to expose the truth. The more you invade our space..

              The more that we will expose the truth.. That is just the reality of the situation.

              Can’t you see that your Tech isn’t working?

          • Missionary Kid

            You didn’t answer why Co$ offloads people who are sick or elderly or broke, to add that.

            • SignsOfSuccess

              Have you been offloaded?

            • Espiando

              No, he’s just wondering what’s going to become of you when the cans pick up the syphilitic brain pixies in your head. Hope you like living on the streets of Milan, Marco. Maybe you can sell your ass to some very desperate tourists who want to fuck an Italian, any Italian. That’d be about your only option given your Scientology education.

            • IASREG

              Why do they offload elderly Sea Org? Why do they just dump them? Why doesn’t the Sea Org have any medical insurance?

            • riotgrrrl

              the worst part is that they have no work credits for social security in case of disability and in their golden years. i wonder how many of these poor souls eat cat food for sustenance? i’ve heard about elderly people having to do that in the news a number of times, and now i wonder how many were offloaded.

            • Missionary Kid

              No. Have you been overboarded?
              How long have you been in the Chirch of $cientology?

            • joan nieman

              Lol!!

            • Baby

              Missionary Kid has asked you how long that you have been in Scn. 2 times now..

              Why don’t you just answer?

            • DamOTclese2

              FLUNK for non confront. Start over!

          • IASREG

            Then Tom Cruise better disconnect from Katie and Suri because they are PTS to Tom which is PTS to David Miscavige! TOM IS AT FAULT. PUT ETHICS IN ON TOM.

          • Missionary Kid

            How long have you been in? There’s a commercial on during the game, and I thought I’d ask. Is it a secret? Most Clams can’t face the ridicule, so they keep their membership on the downlow. Oh, yes, TC. Gee, what were those Dodger fans thinking when they saw him on the Jumbotron? It’s crazy Tom.

            Thank goodness for the best SP there is David Mi$cavige, king of footbullets. He’s done more to shrink Co$ than anyone else by his brilliant strategies. The second biggest SP is Tommy Cruise, whose nuttiness and arrogance as a $cion were exposed when he opened his mouth up on the Today show.

            Krusty Alley is trying to move up, though. She doesn’t have the visibility that TC has, so she’ll never surpass him as an SP.

        • Snippy_X

          LRH has some pearl of clamdom that says it’s better to be dead than not able.

      • woodrose

        If what you say regarding people’s picture of SCN was true, people would be beating down the doors to get into Scientology churches. We wouldn’t hear any stories of people being called a hundred times after they’ve said ‘not interested’ — no one at SCN would have the time or desire to beg someone who’s clearly not going to come in.

        http://columbialion.com/blog/visit-ny-scientology-church-get-harassed-for-the-rest-of-your-life/

        If what you say was true, it would not be possible for ornery critics to take pictures of numerous empty Scientology buildings and post them online.

        If what you say was true, there would not be sincere believers in LRH mourning the empty classrooms and posting about it in their blogs and leading them to become self-proclaimed independent Scientologists.

        http://backincomm.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/joburgs-life-improvement-centre-a-barren-wasteland/

        If what you say was true, there would not be so very many people mocking Kirstie Alley or Tom Cruise on Twitter and FB for their rabid defenses of SCN.

        If what you say was true, there wouldn’t be any need for the church to prohibit most Scientologists from reading about SCN on the web — because most of it would be so positive, it would balance out any negative stuff truly on ‘the fringes.’

        If what you say was true, you wouldn’t have any need or desire to be here, countering the critics of SCN. It certainly wouldn’t be a job assignment for anyone in the church. If what you say was true, the results would be speaking for themselves and we would all see it for ourselves.

        Look at the data. Your view of how the church and it’s followers are seen by rational people cannot possibly be accurate.

        • Just Dee

          Great post!

        • DamOTclese2

          people would be beating down the doors to get into Scientology churches

          Instead of kicking in the syndicate’s decaying doors demanding their money back, yeah.

          That blog entry about the Scientology harassment in New York is fascinating. The last thing people should do is hand these Scientology crooks their phone number and mailing address!

      • IASREG

        The pressure is really on now!!! WOW!!! We have no excuses for not clearing the planet withing the next five years now that we have GATII!!!!! This depends heavily on YOU. YOU have to pay back the debts you owe the church, buy the e-meters, and retrain!!!! DO IT!

        • DamOTclese2

          Why, with GAT2 they should be able to eliminate mental health on this planet by the year 2000! Just like David Miscavige said they would!

          • Missionary Kid

            {{{Oh, but dates are such silly things when you’re dealing with a billion years.}}}

            • DamOTclese2

              But wait! With the new Mark XXtV Emeter, we can pin that date down to the nearest microsecond! It’s 50,000 times moar powerful than the previous pile of steaming crap EMeter we have been sellig the rubes!

          • IASREG

            All Orgs Ideal by 2010!

            • DamOTclese2

              Oh my R6 Implants! (looking around) Am I the only one who hasn’t been turned in to a brainless zombie Rondroid?!

      • Eclipse-girl

        All SOS can do is spread the LIES that OAS put put

        • Missionary Kid

          OAS, Organization of Asshole $cientologists. They can lose the designation when they blow out of $cientology.

      • DamOTclese2

        Yes, I see that Scientology customers are so happy and satisfied with their lives, yes. It’s so overwhelmingly obvious to anyone who looks, yes.

        I only wish I qualified to be a Scientology customer so I could enjoy such awesome technology and happiness. Alas I lack the low intelligence needed to avail myself of such. sigh Poor me.

        • Missionary Kid

          As someone said today, can you imagine how low Kirstie Alley’s intelligence was before she started following LRH?

          • DamOTclese2

            Yeah, I saw that and had to re-tweet it. :)

        • IASREG

          Hold on there! David Miscavige, our COB of the corn, the apple of our eye has made Scientology available to dumb AND ignorant people with GAT2 geared towards people with less than a high school education, like COB himself. As long as you have CASH it does not matter how dumb you are as long as you are dumb about MONEY.

          • DamOTclese2

            Oh! Then there may be hope for me after all! I can be stupid with money! I bought an American-made car once! :)

            • Missionary Kid

              Actually, the quality of American-made cars has gone up substantially, IMO. They’ve had to.

        • Great White Clam

          I can almost feel the russel of the FLYING MONKIES!!!!!!!

          • Nevermore

            Or the moans of the living dead!

        • Hara

          Sarcasm Tech may or may not be unveiled in GAT 3, the COB is torn up lately about his misunderstoods

      • Snippy_X

        “That’s the real picture rational people around the globe have regarding SCN.”
        Wow, your dreams at night must be one long Scientology brochure.

    • Sydjazz

      Hey tory. I just watched your dancing in Boston video. Did those guys taping you get out? The guy with the blue shirt looked like he was trying to shoot flames from his eyes at you. You sure have come a long way. Xx

      • DamOTclese2

        I don’t know about Tory’s clam infestation and whether they blew or not, but there was a clam at Clearwater in 1998 that everybody called “Pretty Boy” that was ordered to audio record the Lisa McPherson protesters that used to lean up against the Fort Homicide Hotel and “handle” us.

        The guy showed up at the Pantageous Theater years later, greatly embarrassed by his behavior in Clearwater to the point where he didn’t want to talk about getting suckered in to Scientology. He turned up at an anti-war protest and I recognized him.

        It seems to me that the people who are ordered to engage in such stupid nonsense at least have the good graces to be embarrassed about it once they walk away from Scientology.

        • aquaclara

          I like this story, and very much hope this person might find their way here. They would be warmly welcomed!

      • Tory Christman

        Sydjazz….not that I know of. If anyone else has any further info, please let us know.
        Thank you….I agree: I have come a lonnnnnnnnnng way from back then. (I was only

        out 2 weeks when that video was made) :) It’s pretty amazing to hear what a “true believer”
        I still was, even after escaping out. “Scientology believes in Communication”. Now? Scientology STOPS communication and makes people pay lots of $$$ to lose their freedoms. <<<TRUEFAX

        • Sydjazz

          Yeah it was funny to hear you say back then you still believe in it. Hehe

    • Sandy

      Jeezus, I luv u Tory. Makes me happy to be here. You are a wonder.

      • Tory Christman

        Thank you, Sandy! I luv u too :)

    • DamOTclese2

      “We joined staff to bring sanity to this world”

      Thing is, these people may very well have signed on as customers under such reasons, which is why most people realize Scientology is a fraud that not only does not do anything to “bring sanity to this world” but adds to the insanity, walking away before they lose their minds.

      The fact that people “join staff” due to fraudulent claims by Scientology preying upon people’s desires to help and to benefit others makes Scientology’s crimes that much more worse. :(

    • Tory Christman

      Note FTR: Our dear “Guest” did NOT call me, nor did he/she post their real name, PM me, or in
      ANY way try to honestly communicate. Typical OSA op: EPIC FAIL GAVINO AND YAUDE:::: AGAIN!
      (aka their new *real* name: Floor mats, Inc)

  • OT8squared

    The meaning of slang terms changes quickly, so a dictionary definition that is decades old would give little if any insight.

    • Sydjazz

      Squares, hip, groovy baby.

    • Clamation

      Pinks and Greys are virtually unheard of anymore

  • Imagica

    Is it wrong that I read the ones from Scotland in the voice of Scrooge McDuck? Maybe “Duckberg” has an Ideal Org.

    • Nevermore

      Try hearing it in Shrek’s voice…

      • aquaclara

        That works great!

    • IBBy

      Now I have to go back and try it

    • Sydjazz

      Try sean connery

  • Great White Clam

    Heres the new OTXXXIII cognition;

    I am mucking up my own mind!

    http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/images/stories/hubbard.jpg

    • Hara

      What a hottie!

      • Great White Clam

        Aye. The Huffle Fluffle is strong with this one.

    • OrangySky

      Whoa, what an amazing disguise! LRH sure was a crafty devil; I’d never have recognized him as the drug-addled paranoid schizophrenic charlatan cult leader L Ron Hubbard with that hat and those glasses! Diabolically clever!

  • Clamation

    When in doubt, the Scilons tend to capitalize everything. Until the “dedicated” poster with paul. From a Scilon perspective, a lot of words there are just begging to be capitalized.

    • Nevermore

      Paul looks like he needs a good feed, and some kind of decompression. If he clenched his jaw any harder, the bones would shatter.

    • DamOTclese2

      You find that phenomena of random capitalization among Creationists and other religious extremists also, yet one of the most bizarre aspects of the phenomena is the fact that people who suffer from migraine exhibit “Random Capitalization Syndrome” at greater frequency than people who do not suffer from migraine.

      It’s not entirely related to low intelligence, there appears to be a neurological aspect to the phenomena as well.

      • Great White Clam

        Excelant pOst.

        • DamOTclese2

          Ow! Ow! My head Hurts naow!

      • Clamation

        i find your Post Interesting. it addresses a number of Thoughts i have had Lately on the Subject. thanks for your Consideration of this Matter.

        • DamOTclese2

          Glad I could help! That’ll be $12,000 after you run around this pole for 7 hours. :)

      • OrangySky

        “people who suffer from migraine exhibit “Random Capitalization Syndrome” at greater frequency than people who do not suffer from migraine”
        ….maybe that explains why I do it From Time To Time…

  • DamOTclese2

    The Sunday Funnies is always such fun. After the on-the-scene court room reporting and the always breathlessly exciting gala openings being covered in real time, these Sunday Funnies are not only greatly amusing but they’re vastly informative, I think at times these advertisements tell more of the story than even people recounting the OT levels and other silly nonsense.

    Every day has that “Wow, people not only believe this but they pay money for it” thing going, yet the abject solid fraudulent lies in every advertisement that Scientology mails out to people to either keep them paying money or to find the dumbest of us out here in the wog world to sucker, every Sunday we seem to get the best of the best. :)

    Today, the comment “I would like to hold her cans” still has me laughing.

    • aegerprimo

      Yes to what you said and…. nice avatar!

      • DamOTclese2

        :) Thanks! Yeah, I thought that fossilized bivalves was a good summary of the soon-to-be-nothing-but-ancient-history Scientology organization. :) Dead and calcified. :)

  • Snippy_X

    Q. “How many Scientologists does it take to change a lightbulb?”

    A. “We have the team of guys on site who can finish this project within a few days, but we do still need quite a bit of help in funding it to a 100% done.”

    “Scotland will not forget !!!!”

    • Missionary Kid

      You forgot to reg everyone to raise money for the new, ideal lightbulb.

    • Nevermore

      Mostly, Scotland does not even know they’re there!

  • MaxSpaceman

    A former $cientologist posted something a day ago, some advice on ‘what gets through to the still-ins’. It was posted a day ago. I missed it. Others, I’m sure did too. Here’s Galactic Patrol:

    “5) In contributing to the blogs, I think there are three categories of posts that should be repeated continuously:

    “b) Instead of attacking or name-calling, instead ask questions that will get lurkers thinking. There are so many of these that can be put out there. Here are a few I could think of:
    — Where are all the parishioners in this time of “greatest expansion ever”?
    — How come the Church keeps saying to the public that there is no such thing
    as disconnection when LRH policy clearly states that there is?
    — Where are your IAS donations actually going?

    — Where are the big dissemination campaigns?
    — How come Dianetics isn’t a household word like it used to be in the 80s?
    — How come no new people are flooding in?

    — Why does Scientology seem so unpopular?
    — Is my Ideal Org really so off-policy and out-tech that it keeps people away?
    — How come we never see anyone but David Miscavige anymore? What about
    the rest of International management? How come they aren’t ever at events?

    “c) Actual quotes from LRH issues which explicitly state things that the general public will never otherwise see. The confidential stuff. I’m not referring to the OT levels or tech stuff because Scientologists won’t ever generally let themselves look at that stuff. But they are certainly curious about upper level policies, secret OSA/GO instructions and operations. LRH wrote it, it’s undeniable and when parishioners see how paranoid and psychotic it is, that will impinge. Even if they say that it’s just lies and made up, the seed of truth has been planted. That seed will grow if its fed by repeating the quotes over and over again. Kind of like the “Where’s Shelly” message, which has now become a kind of mantra for ex’s and never-ins to point out the worst in the Church in just two words.

    “I have to say that I’m often surprised at the passion and dedication that some “never-ins” bring to the table. It amazes me that some people who have never been subjected to the mind control would care enough about the relatively small cult of Scientology to want to do something about it. To be honest, it inspires me.

    “I hope there is something in what I wrote here that is helpful or useful.”

    Thank you, Galactic Patrol !

    • Snippy_X

      Thanks for reposting this. Someone mentioned it but I never could find the post.

    • Missionary Kid

      Great ones. I’m capturing that post.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Yes. I’ve pasted that into a local notepad.
        For a reminder!

        • Missionary Kid

          I put it in a word type of file fin my computer confuser.

    • SignsOfSuccess

      The problem with those posts is that they are based on assumptions that active Scientologists can easily observe to be false.

      • Missionary Kid

        So, how long have you been in? Why was Tom Cruise booed at the Dodger game? Why are they having trouble keeping the lights on at orgs? Why do so many buildings purchased for ideal orgs sit there for years without anything don to them?

      • Snippy_X

        So where is Shelly, then?

      • Snippy_X

        The statement in the next post is false.

      • Snippy_X

        The statement in the previous post is true.

      • Nevermore

        But if LRH said it, it must be true.

    • Snippy_X

      What are these items?

      “… upper level policies, secret OSA/GO instructions and operations. LRH wrote it, it’s undeniable and when parishioners see how paranoid and psychotic it is, that will impinge.”

      It all seems paranoid and psychotic to me.

  • SignsOfSuccess

    Time for me to go. Be good.

    • Missionary Kid

      Time for you to go, because you can’t even tell us how long you’ve been in.

    • Missionary Kid

      To add, as I remember it, you sit, watching long after your last post. Bye.

    • IASREG

      You better pay that debt and get the new e-meters asap.

    • Jo

      Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    • Espiando

      We’ll expect you back with Jeff’s next post, and I can continue to make you my bitch.

    • Snippy_X

      Write if you find Shelly.

      • DamOTclese2

        ROFL! As if these low-level clams would be permitted to even get close to the expensive grounds where the psychopath’s wife is being held. That’s expensive property up there! No dimwitted customers allowed within 4 miles.

        • Snippy_X

          Nor do they have the rank to even ask. But we can ask and ask we shall!

    • Qbird

      bye~bye SOS, you old fox you! thanks for the output!

    • Clamation

      Tell Miscavige nothing of what we have said here. Nothing. It’s just between you and me, SOS. All that stuff you told me about Miscavige… your secret is safe with me.

    • Baby

      I have nothing but pity for you .. You are drowning in Kool aid and you don’t even know it. Just a sad state.

      You are giving your life for what?

    • DrGreatCham
      • Imelda Marcos

        It’s said Tom Cruise nearly went after he got to OT III. Now I see why. Hubbard’s voice is almost unbearable. “Rooolah”. “Motion pictaahh”. LOL

        • DrGreatCham

          Yep, LRH was a real “winner” as a public speaker. Both he and Miscavige were also fantastically adept at dealing with hostile interviewers as well. (rolls eyes)

          • Imelda Marcos

            I cannot bring myself to watch that Miscavige video, he is such a repulsive character, it feels like I will be infecting my brain cells. I just take everyone else’s word, that he came across very, very badly.

    • Great White Clam

      Beans and rice again tonight, SOS?

  • Snippy_X

    A couple fun excerpts from this Taiwanese blog:
    http://shandaji.blogspot.com/

    To me the CoS has fallen since 2008, since the Tom Cruise video incident. That was the first time I knew what Scientology really is. I asked myself how can the cult win when it takes only a few minutes at most to upload one video with no traces? That was even before Gawker hosted the video on their website. I even posted other copyrighted materials on videos as a little experiment. It took the RTC three months to take one down!

    Since then, the church has been forced to use full guerrilla tactics. There are no spokesperson to confront the media. Scientologists were given instructions in no uncertain terms not to defend in their own way their religion on the Internet. Curtains will be drawn when the first protestors arrive at an Org. Names and places are withheld in press releases in Taiwan, so nobody knows where or who to send complains to.

    • Snippy_X

      So when discussing whether LRH’s tech is effective, effectiveness is irrelevant. Firstly, LRH is seldom the source who invented the effective part. And if it’s not at all effective, nobody will be a Scientologist. You have to figure out the tiny piece of destructive programming in each area of tech. It’s a cheese to diamond tech, but only if you fall for it.

    • aquaclara

      There are some highly interesting segments in this blog! I got lost in this for a bit today. Interesting take on The Taiwan experience-and seeing right through the Scientology scam. Thanks for a great find.

      • Snippy_X

        Yes, me too. Who knew. This blogger has great insights.

        • aquaclara

          Gives me hope that they are not falling for the big scam, either. Also surprising that so many are shipped off to Australia for training.

          • Missionary Kid

            It’s a part of the disorientation process to put them more under control of $cientology. It’s not surprising.

          • riotgrrrl

            they move them to a foreign country away from their families and take away their passports. they basically imprison them and wihout a passport and with a major language barrier, they are too scared to run. its like the people here on the border that imprison illegal aliens in their homes and treat them like slave dogs. theyre too scared to run.

            • Snippy_X

              It’s like the staff shipped in from abroad to handle IAS events and then marched right back into the Hacienda’s gates immediately afterwards. They all look so sad and scared.

            • OrangySky

              This is called “Human Trafficking.” Not all nations have laws against it. Ours does, not that it’s working very well. CO$ engages in Human Trafficking. Not in the sex trade, but for free or close to free slave labor.

    • Snippy_X

      Last one:

      First, we asked for help from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Taiwan. The Ministry staff pointed out that on average, an incident occurs every three months when parents come looking for their children. These children all went to Scientology in Australia, and mostly disappeared.

      • riotgrrrl

        there was a news story of a young chinese lady that was imprisoned by the ‘cherch’ in australia and she desperately hurt herself so theyd let her leave. then they went to the hospital and i think i remember her returning to the cherch but she was returned to her family in the end, broken and scared. enslaving the world one org at a time…

        • Snippy_X

          Alice Wu.

    • Nevermore

      The Steve Wu blackmail story is kind of gobsmacking – I wonder if they went so far as to ensure his wife was having an affair.

      0300 here, why can’t i sleep???

      • Great White Clam

        $ceintology can help with that sleep thing. Just leave your fully charged wallet under the pillow of your local rege. But I want the FSM comish.

  • MaxSpaceman

    21 years ago. ABC Television – Ted Koppel, Nightline. Putting the hurt on David Miscavige. TKO by Koppel.

    Koppel: “Aren’t you capable? Of responding? I mean you keep saying, ‘Why don’t you go talk to the Scientologists.’

    You’re the head of Scientology!”

    Miscavige: “You have to understand this. If you want to understand what benefits people in Scientology, I can give you my own thing.

    “But what I am not going to do here is tell you.. . . I am not going to make claims for other people. . . what I’m telling you is the best evidence is the successes of Scientology. Do you want to hear about mine? [oops! big foot-in-mouth time.]

    Koppel: “Sure.”

    Miscavige: “I came to Scientology. I was a young. . . man. (smiles) I had an acute case of asthma. I had been to Dr. after Dr. Nothing could cure it. My father, heard of Dianetics and Scientology. Took me to an individual. I was with him for an hour. I used exactly what anybody can read in Dianetics- The Modern Science of Mental Health. That asthma disappeared for 3 years.

    “I say 3 years because I am not going to tell you it went away forever. After that, it came up again and I dealt with it. And I don’t have it now. I do 5 miles a day. I just don’t have that.

    “Is that the greatest thing it’s done for me? No. But at that point I certainly knew, I certainly knew it was something beneficial. I knew it. It’s a personal story.

    “What it has done for me since then? Is just fabulous. But that is my own personal story. That is what the stories of Scientology. . . the successes are endless, Ted.”

    — Seeing Miscavige go on to answer the question, “What is a clear?”, is — priceless !

    — It is difficult, nigh on impossible, to find a more complete humiliation and public evisceration of the world-wide leader of The Cult of $cientology, David Miscavige, than in these 6 minutes and 30 seconds.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qc9GiNKH5g&list=PLD9DA3E8EFF516E82

    At that point, Miscavige tries to deflect the attempt to answer the question posed throughout the hour, ‘What can the religion of Scientology ‘do’ for a person? How does it ‘help’ a person?

    But can’t escape! Finally having to tell his story, his “asthma story”, coming into the church as a teenager (he says, “Young man” with a smarmy grin ‘n smile on his face; after having been corrected 3 times in the hour of calling grown women, who have had conflicts with Scientology, “girls”, Koppel making Miscavige say the correction, “women” [ that’s a true delight to see!].

    The picture- David Miscavige, right at the point of having been manipulated by Koppel into having to share millions of people watching Davey’s own wee testimonial as to “What $cientology has done for me.”

    Doesn’t he look abjectly terrified . . .

    • DamOTclese2

      The insane fuck can’t explain that for “other people” it’s a financial fraud. For him it’s a money-making fraud.

    • Nevermore

      Funny to see him fighting against the urge to scrunch himself down in his seat – interesting body language!

      • MaxSpaceman

        It is *so* ultra revealing.
        ‘How’ he’s thinking. A definite sense of what he’s feeling. David Miscavige has no poker face. Koppel’s face reveals nothing. Davey’s face is exploding with unconscious revelations on how he is thinking and what (generally) he is feeling.

        And he comes off as a complete rectum!!

        This is why he has *never* done another video interview. In more than 2 decades. He can’t help but embarrass hisself!!! Oh the lulz!

        • Nevermore

          I bet he has nightmares, reliving this, and wakes up screaming! At least, I hope he does. Of course, the Botox will help keep his face expressionless now.

          • Great White Clam

            Isn’t he famous for whimpering like a wipped puppy when hes alone with his body thetans?

            • Nevermore

              Hey, those body thetans are vicious – they pinch!

        • Great White Clam

          ^^^^^^^ he comes off as an incomplete rectum!!

          TFTFY

          • MaxSpaceman

            Thanks, gwClam !!

    • Baby

      I have watched this so many times and it never fails to entertain me..

      OMG… Please, PLEASE PLEASE let him be deposed in court..

      • Miss Tia

        OPEN COURT!!!! :D PLEASE PLEASE FOR CHRISTMAS FOR US!!!

        ETA: I know depositions aren’t done in open court, but PLEASE let me dream! :)

    • Great White Clam

      Yes. I saw somewhere that the clams were proud that Miss Cabbage “was interviewed by Ted Koppel in a 90-minute segment of Nightline in 1992, which earned an Emmy Award”

      The words BATSHIT CRAZY INSANE would probably cause a ROCK SLAM if Little Miss Baggage was on a meter.

    • Hara

      When Miscavige addresses Koppel as “Ted,” one gets the distinct impression that he should have said “Mr. Koppel.”

      • Nevermore

        Yeah, and he knew it – you could see it in his face!

        • Hara

          Miscavige can’t even help talking local philly accents out of the side of his mouth during an interview with Koppel

      • Guest

        It is a horrendous interview, David Misgavige comes across comes across aggressive self defensive and suspicious. But why would anyone grant an interview ever? Piss poor judgement if you ask me. Not too many of us would look any good if we were interviewed by a person who had already decided we were (fill in the blank).

        In my opinion, scientology is a bankrupt culture and long overdue to fail. It is built on a very immature man’s ego trip and it never chose to grow beyond his childish view of the world and others. And no matter what scientology is or isn’t, critics of scientology, while mostly limited to a virtual internet existence, are just as bizarre and fanatical in their own way.

        • Hara

          Fuck off

        • Missionary Kid

          And Mi$cabbage practiced for weeks, if not months for it. He pulled it in, because he’s an ignorant, uneducated, self-centered jerk, and it showed.

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          TTRG, you previously acknowledged that you do not see the COS and the Bunker as the same, but you really seem to focus a great deal of attention on how the social behavior here is similar to the COS, when really such behavior (e.g., in-group/out-group ridicule) is incredibly similar to all purposely aligned social groups. And you ignore the vast differences between this group and the COS, which any reasonable and well-informed person can see. But you do seem better at acknowledging that there is a problem with the COS, even to the point of being critical of DM. And the fact that you have acknowledged that there is at least some difference between the COS and the bunker makes it appear that you may have at least left the church, and perhaps are in the early stage of recovery. Do you lurk much on Rinder’s blog? I think you would enjoy it. Again, if you can show accurate empathy and continue to demonstrate that you understand the viciousness of the COS, you might do fine here. Some people might even begin to laugh at your jokes. But you have dug yourself quite a hole with some people here, so its a tall order. Good luck!

      • Missionary Kid

        he was trying to show that he and Koppel were on the same level by being familiar.

        • Nevermore

          But he didn’t believe it – you could see him squirming!

          • Missionary Kid

            Dinky Dave looked like a kid called into the principal’s office who know’s he’s guilty and is about to get punished.

    • Guest

      Koppel, Anderson Cooper, Harvey Levin, Mike Wallace, all these media people who make their living on other people’s life stories, make their living on other people’s trials and tribulations, make their living on other people’s foibles, mistakes and weaknesses, are leeches one and all.

      • Nevermore

        That sound exactly like how Miscavige makes his money. And he is most definitely a leech.

      • Anonolily

        Obviously you weren’t toilet trained after all…

      • Hara

        At least you declared yourself as OSA. TIA

      • nottrue

        I think you have hidden traumas from your past that you need to discharge. you know blow a charge

        • Guest

          And what YOU “think” is significant how again?

          • nottrue

            You can thank xenu for the body thetans

          • Nevermore

            Significant enough for you to reply…

        • Guest

          And what is it with the bunker and traumas? You get over them. So what if the kids in high school voted me “Most Likely to Die Sad, Alone and Near an Electrical Outlet”? They were all jerks and I never think about that anymore.

          • nottrue

            I was voted that to in high school and i ended up rich and powerful.

            • Hara

              Next time we go to Dubai on your G6, otherwise it’s out exchange

          • Missionary Kid

            They definitely knew there was something wrong with you.

          • Hara

            Good. Never think about Scientology anymore, too. It will reduce your risk for suicidal ideation.

            • Guest

              That was the cruelty of it… it was because they all thought I was too dumb to use an electrical socket without killing myself.. not because I was a suicide risk. But I’ve gotten over it

            • Hara

              Flagged

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Please save yourself guest and get out.

          • Missionary Kid

            So, why did you mention it, if you’re over it? {Auditing can take care of that.}

      • DrGreatCham

        “This is all in accordance with the pattern and practice of the
        Church of Scientology. Attached hereto are two of the key issues that
        are the “operations manual” of the church and David Miscavige in dealing
        with anyone perceived as an “attacker.” The most important sections are
        excerpted from each but the complete writings are revelatory and are
        ironbound and unbending policy of the church. The first details the
        operating principle of finding out what the person is seeking to protect
        and threatening that in order to “restrain” the “attacker.” This is
        often, as noted, the person’s job, but also includes family,
        particularly immediate family that the person feels a need to protect.
        The second gives some examples about how one can create scenarios that
        will cost someone their job by manufacturing false evidence against them.

        1. These persons can always lose their jobs.
        These jobs, permitting them power to destroy, are valuable to them.
        This is A POINT OF VULNERABILITY.

        2. If the person’s job is also not
        valuable to him or if he cannot be made to cost his job, something can
        be found which he is seeking to protect and it can be threatened.

        A. COUNTER ATTACK TO OBTAIN THE REMOVAL OF THE PERSON with a product of DISMISSED ATTACKER.

        B. If on test, A is not feasible, SURVEY TO FIND WHAT THE PERSON CONSIDERS VALUABLE AND USE IT FOR RESTRAINT.

        Exhibit A 28 March 1972 COUNTER ATTACK TACTICS

        Example: Gosh Porge is located as an
        antagonistic source in the Bureau of Mines. Study Bu of Mines. They
        frown on corrupt and bankrupt employees, it is carefully worked out by
        survey. Gosh Porge receives a check for 250 pounds
        from the Aluminium Company of America at his office
        for “tip off and patents sent” and “his wife” runs up fur coat bills at
        Harrods who sue and “a man in Soho” wants his 1800 pounds gambling debt
        and “a mistress” calls his boss and demands the return
        of her diamonds “Gosh borrowed” and as it keeps up, even Gosh Porge’s
        best denials won’t prevent his being sacked.

        And “Legal areas” like lawyers are a point of hit also.

        Without consulting Legal Bu Bish Smish is suing C
        of S for truckloads. Survey his attorneys covertly. One finds they
        detest “people from the City”, very prejudiced against money clauses.
        So City blokes start appearing on their lines for
        Bish Smish – will he win the suit? Broker wants to know can Bish Smish
        cover his margins?

        City bowler hat beats up lawyer with an umbrella
        because Bish Smish said he was going to get the lawyer to sue him over
        the “blocks of stock” Bish Smish swindled. Keep it up. Soon he won’t
        have any lawyer!

        Exhibit B 28 March 1972 INTELLIGENCE PRINCIPLES”

        http://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-texas-declaration/

      • Missionary Kid

        So why was the big being #2 incapable of exercising his OT powers and overcoming any of those guys? Because he’s an idiot who follows the fake, useless tech of LRH. He pulled it in, didn’t he? $cientology didn’t make him more able, did it?

        He’s been very successful – at reducing the size of $cientology. If there’s millions of them, why can’t they fill even the L.A. Sports Arena? They should be able to fill the Rose Bowl or the Colosseum easily, shouldn’t they?

        Scions are too few and far between, and the public perception of $cientology is in the toilet. Why else did people boo Tommy Cruise when his picture is shown on the Jumbotron at a Dodger game?

        • Guest

          “Why else did people boo Tommy Cruise when his picture is shown on the Jumbotron at a Dodger game?”

          Crowd, mob mentality, like to hear their own noise? Same mindless mob/crowds who shout “jump” when a person they do not know is on ledge. You don’t know about mob behaviour do ya! Of course not, you are lost in your own ugly mob here and don’t know it. I am going to guess that the crowd booing are the same crowd that races to theatres to see Tom Cruises next movie. Probably the first ones in line.

          You fantasize that it has something to do with this guy who works in the movies that you do not know from Adam. Thats ok, you can have your fantasies if it helps you find meaning in your life here on the internet.

          • Nevermore

            No, I don’t think they will. He’s getting too old to play the lead in action/romantic movies. And his ego, not to say lack of acting talent, won’t let him try something else. There’s too much crazy stuff about him out in the open now – it gets in the way of the suspension of reality the audience needs to be able to sit back and let the film take over. When the next MI movie bombs, he’s done.

          • Missionary Kid

            Gee, your rationalization is incredible. They cheered everyone else that was shown.

            Do you know Tommy, “You don’t know the history of psychiatry, I do.” Cruise? He played the part of a supercilious asshole when he was talking to Matt Lauer very well. The $cion video, with him just saying something like I know, I just know. That got leaked didn’t help either.

            I can certainly judge a person from his actions when he isn’t acting, and makes public statements, or has propaganda that he’s made for Co$ leaked to the world.

            • Guest

              you are delusional if you think you know a person who works in the media. you and every other person who watches TV and goes to the movies thinks they know a person because they saw them and followed them for whatever reason.

              an obsessed fan who loves or an obsessed fan who hates a media person, and thinks they know them are both equally scary

              god protect us all from people like that

            • Guest

              and if anyone thinks I’m lying they are even more delusional. I have a framed restraining order from Taylor Swift’s lawyer and he made it very clear that being obsessed with a celebrity is a scary thing.

            • Missionary Kid

              Gee, I’ve never had one, but I have filed one after I was attacked. I think that speaks poorly about your self-concept.

            • nottrue

              That new e meter thingy can help you with that.You really need to blow a charge big time.Or is it the body thetans

            • Missionary Kid

              Grab a screen shot of that one.

            • DamOTclese2

              Love you screen name. :)

            • Missionary Kid

              I didn’t say I knew him. I said that I judged him by his actions.

              He pulled it in when people booed him, but that’s just my opinion. He, along with DM have done almost as much damage to Co$ as anonymous has.

              They’re uneducated know-nothings. Please, stay here and show us how wrong we are.
              Why, when the L.A. Times published OTIII, wasn’t there an epidemic of pneumonia, like LRH has said there would be?

            • DamOTclese2

              Who? Which R6 implant, specifically?

          • DamOTclese2

            Wipe your bum already, clam.

            • Missionary Kid

              Hey, take a look at what toilettrained said, “and if anyone thinks I’m lying they are even more delusional. I have a framed restraining order from Taylor Swift’s lawyer and he made it very clear that being obsessed with a celebrity is a scary thing.” get a screenshot of it before it disappears, at http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/08/sunday-funnies-scientology-gets-ideal-in-taiwan/#comment-1155558068

            • DamOTclese2

              Well, his account was created only an hour ago, it’s not as if the fucktard is a real clam.

            • MaxSpaceman

              I don’t think the fucktard is a clam either.
              He’s a complete dickwadd but not a clam.

            • Missionary Kid

              Now that you mention it, maybe he’s more concerned with celebrity than clamdom, but perhaps that’s just a part of his derail effort

            • MaxSpaceman

              Maybe but I kinda see it as DamOTc2 does and Sarah James.
              This one seems like . . . an existentialist?!?
              Exhibiting its existential-ness . . .

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t know what his motivation is, but my opinion has changed in light of his admissions before he signed off. To have what was probably a Temporary Restraining order against him by a celeb is not something I’d admit to. True, it was dismissed, but that sounds like a plea agreement.

              I don’t even know if he has any connection to Co$. The person’s got problems.

          • Great White Clam

            Poo.

      • Great White Clam

        Poo.

      • Eclipse-girl

        We need to know that this Guest is Toilettrained

        • Kitz

          So they claim to be….

          • Eclipse-girl

            maybe it is my need for evidence. I do collect names.

        • Missionary Kid
          • Guest

            of course you would keep repeating that. all charges were dropped it was not a big deal

            • Missionary Kid

              The fact that they even bothered to take one out says much about your judgement. Particularly since it was about Taylor Swift.

            • Snippy_X

              bonus shot

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yo you really quick with the snips, SnipX !!!

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Guest you are wrong. It was a big deal to Taylor Swift since she felt threatened by you.

          • Eclipse-girl

            TY for sharing.

            Am I correct in thinking there wasn’t a coherent thought involved in “guest’s” ramblings?

            I do not take screen shots because I am not savvy enough to do that. My daughter would be ashamed. By the time I saw them, guest had deleted their name

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s O.K. Snippy X caught it at http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/08/sunday-funnies-scientology-gets-ideal-in-taiwan/#comment-1155572203

              Now, he says it was no big deal because all the charges were dropped. http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/08/sunday-funnies-scientology-gets-ideal-in-taiwan/#comment-1155566179

              Not many people, out of the entire population have ever had even a TRO filed against them.

              I’m feeling sorry for toilettrained/Guest. The crazy is strong in this one.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I pride myself on being a stupidly empathetic person.

              I have a hard time with a person who throws insults etc around.

              I do not think you need have anything to be ashamed about

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t feel ashamed, but I do feel compassion for someone who seems to have problems that are obviously beyond his comprehension. He revealed what his classmates had voted him in high school, then the revelation of the restraining order, in a short time indicates to me that this person is pretty unaware. I hope he gets help. $cientology will only make it worse for him, if he’s a clam.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Totally agree.

              (((HUGS)))

              Tis my bedtime. Play with the trolls if you choose to .

            • Missionary Kid

              I think they’ve gone to bed.

          • SandiCorrena

            Is this what you were looking for from Guest?

            Guest Guest

            • 27 minutes ago

            and if anyone thinks I’m lying they are even more delusional. I have a framed restraining order from Taylor Swift’s lawyer and he made it very clear that being obsessed with a celebrity is a scary thing.

        • Snippy_X

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks, Snippy. Hoisted on his own petard. I don’t care if the TRO wasn’t made permanent. The fact that her attorney spent the time and effort to file for one speaks volumes about his personality. I’m starting to feel sorry for him (or her).

      • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

        Don’t forget about Lawrence Wright, John McPhee, Alexandra Zayas, and other journalists, writers, novelists, and song writers who exploit the human condition for their own enrichment. Leeches indeed! Great point, Guest-Ray!

        • Missionary Kid

          Sir Hemet, I don’t know how to grab a screen shot of his statement. Check out http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/08/sunday-funnies-scientology-gets-ideal-in-taiwan/#comment-1155558068

          • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

            Too funny! Taylor Swift had to take out a restraining order on our ToiletTrainedRayGuest?!? Way to go TTRG! You earn extra points in my book o’crazy!
            I bet you think her songs are about you, don’t you, don’t you.
            We should think of him as our little bunker pet, right Swifty?!

            • Hara

              Yeah, Helmet!

            • Sarah James

              So this is what a fake clam looks like? A Taylor Swift stalker?

            • Guest

              Aaaand with that…. i will leave you in the hands of the toilettrained/guest clone. What a perfect out for me. This is like a bad John Woo movie when John Woo was good but what the heck. Ta ta bunker family. Do me proud clone.

            • Hara

              How many times are you going to say goodbye tonight?

              Just do it.

            • kemist

              Wow.

              A troll who uses a sock puppet to motivate a pseudo-flounce.

              Well done sir. Extra points for creativity.

          • Unex Skcus

            Here ya go…

      • Sarah James

        Worried much, concerning up coming court cases?

      • OT8squared

        You are entitled to your opinion about any particular media figure.
        However when you are generalizing and when your goal is to malign and to say things about an entire group … when you decide to blanket statement that media is evil, you are my enemy.”

        • Guest

          So what? Do we meet in the field with pistols and duel at sundown now?

          • OT8squared

            Sure, Rebecca Howe can give you the location.

          • nottrue

            That new e meter can help you with that if you can afford it. Blow a charge.Throw off a body thetan.Every little bit helps

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Guest, it is a scary thought that Miscavige has so much power. What happened to LRH’s ideas? It seems that Capn Miscavige has revised and updated quite a few of them.

          • Hara

            That is the thought process of a Scilon, right there… very theta

      • Sarah James

        That reminds me, the judge told top gun to pay half of the court costs for the paper or mag he was sueing. Turns out if you don’t see your child for over a hundred days…well you know.
        It occures to me you all may already know this information but I would like to thank guest anyway for jogging my memory is a round about way.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Guest – Ted Koppel had some very good questions he was trying to get answers to. I wonder why Miscavige hash’t done a media interview since then. Do you know? The organization is in the news a lot and it seems that he would want to share his views.

      • Tory Christman

        Pot calling Kettle Black. Learn what your phony “church” does, dear. You’re helping RIGHT HERE.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Here’re the eyes of, “ToiletTrained”, who as AnonLily so astutely pointed out, certainly is not ! Oh the lulz on the poor OSA’bot / Trollercoaster!!! BWAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

  • Eclipse-girl

    Because it needs to be done

    Because we do not forget

    http://misstia.com/mailtech.html

    • Miss Tia

      Thank you!!! We’ve added a couple more names and expect more! :) I will update as many times as necessary!

  • Qbird

    What a way to spend a day ~ Goodnight Bunker ~ rest easy, rest well.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Sleep well. pleasant dreams

    • OrangySky

      Gorgeous photo.

  • richelieu jr

    Taiwan’s ‘Idéal’ seems suspiciously close to 60s-style ressort hôtel copies and most especially to that one cardboard building that you knew Godzilla was gonna step on ahead of time.

    Where’s a giant, angry, radioactive, Japanese lizard when you need one?

    • Snippy_X

      Does anyone know the street address for this place?

    • Whoknew

      The crowd didn’t appear to be paying much attention in that shot, while the speaker was obviously fired up. Maybe they were just waiting for the big being to show up.

  • Sherbet

    Somebody may already have said this, but I’m not going to go searching through 1300 comments — probably 1200 of which are cat-and-mouse exchanges with Guest, SOS, and I don’t know who else. When I glanced at the James Kronwell flyer, it looked like it said IDIOT.

    • Missionary Kid

      A whole bunch of us misread (or properly saw it) that way.

      • Sherbet

        I figured. It was so obvious.

        • Sherbet

          OK — who downvoted me? Do you want to tell me why?

          • kemist

            You’re a poopyhead ?

            • Eclipse-girl

              NO S/He is not.

            • Sherbet

              Thanks, E-girl! (I’m a she.)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I apologize for the fat finger. I do not believe in down vote tech.

              (((HUGS)))

            • Sherbet

              I agree. If we don’t agree, we should have the courage to say it in a post and not with a sneaky anonymous downvote. Hugging you back.

            • SandiCorrena

              for a while I only had my phone and a super tiny tablet – my goodness it was hard to hit the upvote, and I love the upvote, but I was constantly fat fingering a downvote-trying to fix it fast-geesh it was horrible!

            • Sherbet

              I just ordered a bunch of styluses (styli?) for typing on phones. I can’t hit one letter without hitting the four letters surrounding it. Technology….

            • Eclipse-girl

              I would advise you that using a smart phone SUCKS beyond all belief….

              A stylus will help. But use a tablet, or laptop. I can;t spell and the damn spell correct changes things UGH

              Use what you can. We want you here.

            • Sherbet

              You can’t get rid of me!

            • Eclipse-girl

              GOOD

            • Eclipse-girl

              UP vote is fine tech. Down vote is not.
              color coding helps me know what I have done.
              Isn’t tech great?

            • Sherbet

              I don’t know why downvoting is anonymous. I think it would deter a lot of trolls from doing it just to be pests. But, yes, the color change is helpful.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              color coding really helps know what I have done also!

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              i have fat fingers also sometimes. i confess i have twice said “best of”when flagging CL posts much to my chagrin.

            • kemist

              Of course not.

              There was a blog I used to comment where that was used to make fun of outraged trolls.

              We’d call ourselves nasty, nasty poopyheads and send the troll to the fainting couch.

            • Sherbet

              I like it!

            • kemist

              There’s even a name for these : concern trolls

              They come up with points that at first seem reasonable (“concerns”), but this is just a device to start a flamewar.

            • Eclipse-girl

              That is a cognition, right?. That is VERY GOOD.

            • Sherbet

              Today was a very active day for skirmishes, I noticed. I don’t talk to trolls, and I also don’t think everyone who disagrees is a troll or OSA, but someone who doesn’t agree and comes across too strong for the Bunker. But I also know that some people like to engage trolls and it’s a war of words that can be a fun sport. I just watch from the sidelines.

            • kemist

              Of course not.

              But Guest/ray/whatever has a very, very familiar (and peculiar) writing style and behavior. It reminds me strongly of another troll at WWP, which was with high probability OSA. Its insistence that it’s not a scilon (who even needs to say that these days ?), the way it doesn’t answer to “entheta” posts, or whines about “jargon” it supposedly does not understand. Or speaks about having written critical material, but when you ask for a sample, crickets.

              Weird, weird reactions for someone who knowingly comments on a blog critical of scientology.

            • Sherbet

              You’re right. They say the same things over and over instead of engaging in a meaningful discussion.

            • Eclipse-girl

              ^^^^^^^^

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              As in:

              “Your language is so inappropriate for the young people who read this forum. I am concerned that your point will be lost. You should consider using more dignified terms. No one appreciated crude obscenities.”

              This was actually attempted here a couple of months ago. We basically hooted the little troll down, pointing out that this was a forum full of GROWNUPS.

            • Missionary Kid

              B, b, b, b, but e-meters are made for kids, too!
              Fucktards.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Hey there! Watch your language! There are young, impressionable trolls present!

            • Sherbet

              Nope, that’s not it.

          • Eclipse-girl

            My bad. fat finger.

            • Sherbet

              Ohhhh…OK, no problem. Just glancing through today’s posts, there was a glut of nastiness, so I didn’t know.

      • Snippy_X

        It says IDIOT. What are you talking about?

        • Sherbet

          :-D

          • Snippy_X

            I’m serious! WTF.

            • Sherbet

              I can’t tell if you’re pulling my leg. Yes, the shoop says Idiot. Tony’s original flyer post doesn’t.

            • Snippy_X

              Going to scroll up and check. brb

            • Snippy_X

              Nevermind. I feel like an idiot.

            • Sherbet

              Nah, it just goes to show how shoops can look so real.

    • kemist

      • KJP in Portland

        YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !

        THANK YOU! Kemist! I was hoping for this shoop since this morning!

    • Hara

      It’s been shooped, nicely

      • Sherbet

        See what I miss when I stay out of the Bunker for a day? :-)

    • MaxSpaceman

      Actually, Sherbie, there was a lot of cool commenting. Not 12/13 ths troll interaction ‘tall.

      • Sherbet

        I’m sorry I missed it all, but it’s too late to wander through it all. One thing about the Bunker is, there usually is plenty of cool commenting!

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      Remember that you can use the minus sign (i.e., “-“) in the right hand corner of a post and collapse an entire response thread. It is such a neat trick, which I only recently learned myself.

      • Whoknew

        Thank you!

    • KJP in Portland

      I wish one of our pro-shoopers would have shooped that Kronwell flyer to “IDIOT!”

      No such luck today :/

      • Aslansown

        They did — it looks like it was posted 3 hours ago, so maybe you can find it.

        • KJP in Portland

          Oh kool! I’ll go down and find it! And, also I have to say goodnight too! I have to get up at 6 for FIRST DAY at new job! (((hugs to all AGAIN!)))

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Three of us! Really!

        Here’s mine:

  • Sherbet

    I’m watching a story on a team of doctors, nurses, and pharmacists from Boston hospitals who have just come back from treating people in the Philippines after the typhoon. No yellow T-shirts, no useless booklets, or lame touch assists. Real medical help, and all volunteers.

  • Cunning Stunt

    “Maxim is an upstat Scientologist….who recently came on board to help put the L. Con Hubbard series into the hands of the Russian Parliament.” Good grief, like Russiabdoesn’t have enough problems right now! Although he’ll probably be a great fit with all the other homophobes!

    • DamOTclese2

      Well, technically, throwing Scientology’s fraudulent advertising on the floor of government buildings and then running like a coward before security shows up is not “putting Hubbard technology in to the hands of Russian Parliament.”

  • Aslansown

    Yikes! I was just flipping through channels and what do I find but “Look Who’s Talking” ….must.turn.channel.

    • Missionary Kid

      Ah, but Krustie’s with “The love of my life.”

      • Aslansown

        Hahahaha!!

      • Aslansown

        Just found The King of Queens….much better!

  • Aslansown

    OK — A commercial for “Kirstie” during the King of Queens. Two worlds collide.

    • Missionary Kid

      Oh, the irony.

      • Aslansown

        It only serves to highlight the vast difference — King of Queens is funny — “Kirstie” not so much. Leah’s a classy person — Kirstie not so much.

  • MaxSpaceman

    John G. Fearless leader looks as if he hasn’t had an *amazing* time in many many moons!

    • KJP in Portland

      Yes, I kind of almost…feel sorry for this poor chap. They’ve probably worked his ass 3/4 to death. He looks like he was once a party animal when he was younger; now, he just looks way tired. And yea, I kinda feel sorry for the guy (unless there’s some bad back-story on him somewhere)

  • Aslansown

    Is this Davey at the opening of the Taiwan org? It looks like they’re pulling the ropes to make the big rosette fall on his head!

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/i-have-a-thetan-who-does-things-to-my-mirror-and-its-annoying-what-should-i-do.105033/page-76

    • Robert Eckert
      • Aslansown

        Same hair, same hand gesture on the podium, same low podium so that he will look taller, etc.

    • Great White Clam

      You mean this one? The hair is right. The hand-action is right. But I see no telepromptor. Looks like someone else has a mike. ALSO there is something like a easel in front of him blocking the croud from seeing him. Im thinking it probly turns out to be a pneumatic doll body.

      https://whyweprotest.net/community/attachments/oq5liwb-jpg.217112/

      • Aslansown

        Yes, I think the hair is right, the low podium, the way he has his hands positioned.

        Aren’t those two squares on top of poles tilted toward him teleprompters?

        Edit: I just saw your last remark! No one’s seen him in awhile. Maybe he sends a pneumatic doll body in his place.

        • Whoknew

          I’d hate to be that translator.

          • Aslansown

            I know. How do you translate things like “beingness” etc.?

            • MaxSpaceman

              Uhm, the translator would have to ” as-is ” that to express it properly in translation, AslansO.

            • Whoknew

              Haha! They must have all that worked out somehow and published somehow, right?

            • Great White Clam

              Well it could be a creative position!!!!!!!

              The dwarf said WHATT??????? NO WAY…….

            • Aslansown

              Of course, there would be no way DM would know what the guy was saying in Chinese…he could be saying “stay away from this dangerous cult”.

            • Whoknew

              “This is what I will do for a Klondike bar.”

            • Whoknew

              I mostly meant that the poor guy, no matter how well he did, would have a lot of blame dumped on him if everyone didn’t look amazed and transported.

            • Aslansown

              You’re right – I hadn’t thought about that. Somebody new for DM to blame.

            • Whoknew

              Or if they looked at the translator more than Davey.

      • Great White Clam

        Cameara angel made me miss the tele promptors. I see them now

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Ahem.

        The opening of an Ideal org in Taiwan, with the participation of Big Being David Miscavige would be covered extensively in the world press, would it not? Just check the internet and I am sure it will be crystal clear whether he was there or not.

    • MaxSpaceman

      It’s Davey Miss Cabbage. In Taiwan. With teleprompters.

      • Aslansown

        I know earlier people were wondering if he had gone.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Looks like Black Rob got the shot that shows he was indeed there.

          • Aslansown

            He sure did!

        • Robert Eckert

          That was me asking, and asking what odds people will give that he doesn’t return to the US.

          • Aslansown

            Sorry — I was rushing through posts since I got home late, but somewhere lodged in the recesses of my brain I remembered someone had talked about it. Nobody’s seen him since, at least as far as I know so who knows? ;-)

            • Robert Eckert

              Well it’s early yet. Even if he took the red-eye back to LA he would probably rest up before continuing to Florida, and in Clearwater we weren’t getting reports of him except when he would show up at graduations, so if he is back in the US that won’t be confirmed for a while– conversely, if he has headed in a different direction it may be a while before the Sci-tis know they have been deserted.

      • Great White Clam

        If it is the dwarf how did he avoid arrest? Isn’t he a wanted man in some of them forrein countries?

        • MaxSpaceman

          No if. It is the asthmatic dwarf. No one else places his hands on a podium like that.

          • Great White Clam

            Well Ill bee.

            • MaxSpaceman

              And he ain’t ‘wanted’ in Taiwan, you can take that to the bank, Great WC.

            • Baby

              Oh give Taiwan a few years.. He will definitely be a ” Wanted Man..”

          • Nevermore

            Yeah, it stops him over-balancing on his high heels…

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        In Taiwan he can feel TALL.

      • Baby

        Hey Sweetie.. You with the hand up in the air..

        You a Scn? Well darlin you can kiss your pretty ring goodbye!

        • Aslansown

          Hahahahaha! It looks like she’s got a bruise on that hand — she’s probably already had to fight the staff trying to pull it off her finger.

          • Baby

            hahahahhaa..

  • Aslansown

    Just popped over to KA’s twitter…

    Somebody was trolling her with truth about the cult (anyone here?): some responses…

    Can you imagine spending your time tweeting people vile things all day ?? …I will pray for these hateful trolls…SO kidding

    Another thing I learned this week is that a “victim” provokes you to engage. Then U look like the tyrant..It’s nicely calculated. Kudos :/

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yeah, ok. Kirstie is the one who talked shit about Leah.
      The only thing that perhaps is nicely calculated here is karma.

      • Missionary Kid

        I love the Karma Kickback that’s happening because of the way Leah is handling the whole situation.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Snippy asked earlier who was from Taiwan.
    I think this lady in blue.

    • DodoTheLaser

      And these ladies in red.

      • Snippy_X

        Thanks Dodo. Maybe the lady on the left is the former president of the Taiwan Org, Mei-Tsu Lee, who was involved with the Alice Wu tragedy. I was trying to figure out if they would give her a medal.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Roger that.

        • DodoTheLaser

          She looks different, but I get your point.

      • Sydjazz

        Oh oh medals look

    • Sydjazz

      Lots of shiny around the necks. So did everyone get one when they walked in? Are the filled with chocolate?

      • Graham

        It’s the Order of Knights of Bulgravia :-)

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    OK, according to Hearsay (er, I mean Google) there is an official press release describing the opening of the Taiwan Ideal org, including the earth-shattering news that Mr. David Miscavige was there, and spoke!

    EXCERPT:
    Crowning the grand opening was the first visit to Taiwan by Mr. David Miscavige, Chairman of the Board Religious Technology Center and ecclesiastical leader of the Scientology religion. Mr. Miscavige led the dedication ceremony and addressed the gathering of Scientologists: “It is truly my honor to join you on a day when so many dreams come to fruition: your enduring dream for what now looms before us; the abiding dream of all Scientologists to bring the legacy of LRH to the Chinese-speaking world; and fulfilling L. Ron Hubbard’s dream of returning to Asia in spirit and giving back the wisdom he glimpsed through a long tunnel of time. All these dreams will now come to pass, for this is that day when-as in a Chinese epigram-a ribbon falls like windblown silk as we present Scientology to Asia with a first Ideal Org of Taiwan.”

    Posted on “NOODLS,” self described as, “the first global aggregator of official information in real-time!”
    http://www.noodls.com/view/627B3DCADBBE5AB8C535586E22524279F67A7F98?33xxx1386541899

    • Great White Clam

      Didnt L. Ron Hubbard say there were ‘too many chinamen” in china and that ‘they smell of all the baths they didn’t take?”

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Shhhh. The natives might hear you.

      • Robert Eckert

        No, he said there were too many “chinks” in China.

        • Exterrier

          That’s how he’s gonna “clear China”.

    • Unex Skcus

      This makes me sad.

      I lived in Taiwan for a year, first in Taipei, then in Kaohsiung (2nd largest city), some 2 decades ago. I found them very friendly to ‘Westerners’, and hugely supportive of the drive towards democratic processes.

      To see them getting sucked in is depressing.

      • Sydjazz

        Anyone getting sucked in depresses me

    • Sydjazz

      Wow the first global aggravator…

    • Exterrier

      But we all know what Ron said in his travel diary was the only problem with China, right?

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Oh, for Xenu’s sake… the COB is even shorter than the WOMEN in TAIWAN…

    Photo proof (from the press packet from the Ideal org opening):

    • Aslansown

      I could have sworn that was a shoop.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Straight from the CoS “newsroom” version of the story, complete with photos. Here:

        http://www.scientologynews.org/press-releases/grand-opening-scientology-ideal-organization-kaohsiung-taiwan.html

        • Aslansown

          Oh my…the glowing endorsement from all sorts of officials. Here’s one:

          Further recognizing the significant contribution of Scientology volunteers at all levels of Taiwanese society was Representative of the Ministry of Interior, Dr. Cheng-Hsiung Huang, who said: “For years you have dedicated your time and lives to anti-drug work and human rights dissemination. And so I speak to you today on behalf of the Ministry to proclaim that the Church of Scientology has now won the national ‘Excellent Religious Group Award’ for 10 consecutive years.”

          • DodoTheLaser

            “Excellent Religious Group Award” – sounds legit.

          • Great White Clam

            Sounds like someone needs a little R factor over there.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Hearsay the phrase “Excellent Religious Group Award” and you will find two pages of articles, all generated by the Church of Scientology or its affiliated fronts. There are no references to this “award” in any other context. This is true even if you add the word “Taiwan” to the search.

          • Missionary Kid

            One of the advantages of having a mission in a foreign country where no one would read your press release is that you can make up all sorts of shit about what they said. After all, how are you gonna find out that someone made up something for you to “say.”

    • DodoTheLaser

      Nice real estate op lives on!

    • Aslansown

      Also, it looks like he’s trying an edgier hairstyle. It looks like it doesn’t “swoops” down on his head so much (I could very well be wrong).

      • Great White Clam

        Might have rubbed some of his fur off OHB

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Between the lifts in the shoes and the edgy pompadour, he still isn’t as tall as the shortest guy in the room. IN TAIWAN.

    • Baby

      Oh he is so damn cute in that little suit all dressed up.. like a big boy.

      • Great White Clam

        Or monkey.
        Put a red fezz on his head and give him a little gold embriodered vest and I bet hed twirl and twirl and hop around for something like a bannanna.

        • Baby

          haha Don’t let Verve hear ya talking bout monkeys..

          Look closely.. He’s got Highlights..hahhahaa

          • Great White Clam

            hahhhahhha highlights = bald spots, probly the mange.

          • Sydjazz

            Its a rug haha

        • Sydjazz

          Oh i dunno i think miscavige looks good in a suit. Wait you mean this isn’t his latest press photo? Hehe

        • Sydjazz

          Tc’s organ grinder lol

      • Sydjazz

        Like a big boy lol

      • Nevermore

        Couldn’t just punch, I mean, pinch his little cheeks??

    • Snippy_X

      It doesn’t look like him. A body double? Facelift? He doesn’t have a happy smile like that.

    • grundoon

      Stylin’ the new Volunteer Minister T-shirt with a giant rosary!

      • Missionary Kid

        Could he be a buddhist monk, and those are prayer beads?

        • Nevermore

          That’s what I was thinking – and of course that fits in with their ‘you can be a [insert religion of choice] and a Scientologist’ lie, wouldn’t it? Have a nice priest there, reassure the masses.

          • Missionary Kid

            They’re just trying to show how ecumenical they are.

            • Great White Clam

              Awwwww…… aint it qute that little Davys silk tie matches the robes of the monk-icon? Better believe this photoop was planned out down to the smallest detail. Too bad they missed the FAIL!

        • grundoon

          Nah… what would a Buddhist monk need with Scientology?

          • Missionary Kid

            He doesn’t need a damn thing, but he could be there just to show that he is an ecumenical person and tolerant of other beliefs. Obviously, he’s unaware that Co$ is the opposite of Buddhism.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Like the Honda guys’ giant t-shirts???

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Another photo of the new Taiwan Ideal org. This is the CHAPEL (I am not making this up), here redressed to resemble the Chinatown IKEA tea room.

    • Aslansown

      Looks just like the chapel in my church….NOT!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Do they serve IAS candy?

        • Sydjazz

          Mm theta goodness.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Comes free with a $2,000 Lifetime Membership fee!

            • Sydjazz

              Shit that’s cheap

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s only for this lifetime. You also have to pay for past and future lifetimes.

            • Sydjazz

              A billion years? Woah! Lol. How are you mk? Hope your well

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m 68, and Co$ has never gotten a penny from me, thank goodness. I’m very well, thank you. That’s the price for clams: if they’ve got money, it belongs to Co$.

        • Aslansown

          I bet this is some kind of candy that gets caught in your throat, and then you have to pay to have them Heimlich you.

    • Tory Christman

      Oh my Gawd!! This is $cientology? Jeeeeeeeeesh.

      • Great White Clam

        It cant be $cientology, Tory. I dont see the CA$H register!

      • Snippy_X

        Gag! suddenly, I’m not hungry anymore.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Pretty bad when you no longer even have to shoop ‘em…!

    • Sydjazz

      Oohh nice and tacky

    • Exterrier

      Geesh, they got better furniture at the Senior Center here in Arcadia. Looks like Shepherd’s pie and jello for fifty today.

    • grundoon

      Are those the Stations of the Cross along the sides of the dining room?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        More than likely inspirational quotations from LRH, translated into Chinese. Talk about agony…

    • Nevermore

      The chair on the extreme right of the picture looks odd. Bad angle or bad Photoshop??

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Not photoshop. Golden Era has been caught too many times. They currently employ “Wide Angle Lens Tech.” Unfortunately, it tends to deform the objects on the edge of images.

  • Baby

    Night everyone.. xox This baby is going to bed…..yawwwwwwwwwwwwn Closer and Closer to Court Dates.. Yay

    • Aslansown

      Me too…..goodnight!

      • Baby

        Night Lion.. smooches……….I’m pooped!

  • DodoTheLaser

    The Ideal Hotel

  • DodoTheLaser

    Oh, look!
    You know you want it.

    • Great White Clam

      Looks like a frikin implant station.

      • Sydjazz

        It’s really a penis pump

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The one on the far left looks, erm… um… “excited.”

    • Nevermore

      No, it has to be the red one, or I’m not interested!

    • grundoon

      Anybody else see the letters SP in the middle curve of the e-meter?

      • DodoTheLaser

        Where?

        • Graham

          The curve which goes from top to bottom makes a large S shape. Then couple that with the curve in the top half which looks like a reverse C and that makes the P.

    • MaxSpaceman

      $5,000 each.
      Yeah, right!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    And it appears that Kirstie sent a personal representative to the Taiwan Ideal org festivities…

    (The lemurs must have had a previous engagement.)

    • Exterrier

      Wait a minute. That is Krustie! Don’t drink the red diet drink, folks!

      • Great White Clam

        Also, the brown acid that is circulating around isn’t too good. It has been suggested that you stay away from that.

      • Sydjazz

        That is what happens when you drink their kool aid

  • DodoTheLaser

    Ladder, anyone?

    • Great White Clam

      Utter bullshit. L. Ron Hubbard at least had charts and shit he could use when he was pullin wool.

      https://indipendologo.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/doc01-01.jpg?w=220&h=264

      • DodoTheLaser

        Well, may be it got lost in translation…

        • Graham

          Actually a ladder makes more sense. As others have commented previously, how do you go UP a bridge?

          • Great White Clam

            Same way the whizzard of OZ did. In a HOT AIR balloon.

            • Great White Clam

              Maybe someone could shoop David Miscavige floating in a tiny airship or dirigible with a real long pointie stick traveling up and down in front of that big chart. Give him a megaphone to top it off.

          • Exterrier

            And with having to redo all your tired old courses and levels, and look up all those words now in the the new Study tapes dictshunary, it is the Bridge to Total Boredom. But look, there’s that “piece of blue sky” up there!

        • Great White Clam

          If you look at it just right that laddar appears to be going down. Maybe leading into a active volcanoe or probly more like leading down to hades.

      • Graham

        “And if you reach this point, ladies & gentlemen, I got your ass. From this point on there aint no escapin’ Uncle Ron and his Magic Machine of Madness.”

      • Sydjazz

        It is the same as rons but bigger…

    • Tory Christman

      A KEY Factor many newer peeps may not know, or even older Ex’s who left years ago:
      There are NO “EP’s” (End phenomena—what you are supposed to gain from each level)
      listed on this “Grade Chart” any more. It used to have EP’s for every, single level: no more.
      They removed them in either the late 80’s, early 90’s. My guess then was and now still is
      that this removal of KEY facts was due
      to legal: Peeps suing them for having paid for such a level and NOT getting it? Anyone with more

      actual facts on how this came about, please post it here :) Thanks! Tory/Magoo

  • DodoTheLaser

    Testing new E-meter on kids.
    You gotta start them on the Bridge early!

    • Graham

      We don’t need no indoctrination
      We don’t need no thought control
      No Ella Raich in the classroom
      SLAPPY!! leave them kids alone
      Hey! Slappy! Leave them kids alone!
      All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.
      All in all you’re just another prick without balls.

      • Sydjazz

        Hehe i awlays thought the words were all in all your just another prick in the wall

    • Sydjazz

      Makes me feel icky seeing kids on the cans

  • DodoTheLaser

    Dear Leader

    • aquaclara

      It’s Davey with a Tom Cruise haircut!

      Can we say creepy?!

    • Miss Tia

      Wow, he still managed to look really short there too!!!

      • Nevermore

        It’s a skill he has…

        • Miss Tia

          Super power? :)

  • Great White Clam
  • Krew13

    Sorry if this has already been posted but here’s that brainwashed fucktard Kirstie Ronbot on Howard Stern’s show.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgG23UeqmOs

    • Krew13

      The fact that this fat washed up hasbeen c**t says she’s known hundreds of people who’ve come into Sciloonery and then left without being shunned shows what a lying brainwashed turd she is. As one website said: “As if Kirstie Alley has hundreds of friends”.

      • Nevermore

        Someone should give her the chance to produce one of said defectors…

        • Missionary Kid

          I believe she could. There are clams who have left, then are doing their A to E’s to get back in. They’d be glad to parrot that they’ve left and come back in.

          • Nevermore

            OK scratch that idea then Might be more of a challenge to ask her to produce a friend!

            • Missionary Kid

              She’s still got friends, but with friends like hers, who needs enemies? If she was ever declared, you know those friends would disconnect, like they did for Leah. Tick tock, Krusty.

  • Nevermore

    New post up!

  • Shirley Eugeste

    Fine. Write up a list of words, give them definitions (“esoteric” or not), publish it privately, call it a dictionary. Or something. My friends and I did that in elementary school, even making infantile stabs at pronunciation, usage, and history. Mostly we made infantile stabs at non-clique-members. I think it was stuff like redefining “cheese” as “a kick in the pants” Great for laughing at siblings at the next cook-out:

    someone’s mom or dad: Who wants cheese?
    someone’s sibling: I want cheese! I want cheese!

    Gotta hand it to the gang for the green, sustainable, eco-friendly packaging. Way to set a positive examp… what, red, shiny, slick, toxic-looking? Well their PR people must be happy you’re sticking with the whole overwrought “sound-n-fury-signifyin’-nuthin” CoS branding theme. And the low, low, accessible-to-all, “betterment of the planet” price point?

    Yes, well… here at the Heart (sorry, for you non-lexicographers out there, if there are such people, that’s short for “Distill My Beating Heart,” where we word-nerds get drunk and fight a lot), what has actually made us giggle down amongst the peanut shells and sawdust ( or whatever the hell that is down there), is the notion that not only is a usage panel of one somehow a good thing, but a usage panel of Ron is The Best Thing Ever.

    And let us by no means overlook the vocabulary that amazes your friends and associates. Amazes or confounds? Language learners, children, crows, etc, might have amazing vocabularies. Indeed, some do. But then there’s the “um, huh?” factor: if you, in your fetching student bonnet, with the golden tassel on it, are both trying to actually communicate with me and using words I do not understand, I will distance myself from you as quickly and politely as possible. Listen to a TED Talk. Oddly enough, these people are great communicators. T the end of a good TED Talk, I’m not amazed at the speaker’s erudition; rather, I feel better informed for having listened. At the Very Least, I have something new to think about. (Dear Scientology, it’s not the meat/vocabulary, it’s the motion/what you do with it.) Then, google a “look, Ma! Science words!” Narconon (etc) website (why, here comes one now: http://www.alternativetomeds.com). They are clearly intended to squeeze money out of the desperate and non-scientific, while at the same time inducing near-fatal eye-roll in anyone who has a vague idea what the words mean. Or that the words mean something, and it sure as hell isn’t specified here even though these sites were created for an audience not expected to know these words. Gah.

    And then, oh God, we have “learning with total certainty.” In the Shirley Eugeste dictionary, this phrase is accompanied by a photo of Mr. Tom Cruise, looking casual, smug (which I guess is better than glib), and yet still handsome, as he spouts off about his absolute certainty regarding the history of psychiatry and poor deluded Matt Lauer’s utter ignorance regarding same.

  • Quaoar

    Davie has been very, very, bizzy (sic) with the new high-def adverts. I am particularly pleased with the statement “Fly full time to OT…” Scientology must have a “ticket to ride…”, a nuclear aircraft, or some secret alien Tech, to allow Scientologists to “fly full time” to anywhere.

    As I understand, Davie has not even a high school education. His lack of basic education, coupled with his hermitage in Hemet, prevents him from guiding these bizarre adverts into something other than the style of the old Soviet propaganda publications.