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HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Per Wickstrom Denied Expansion of Drug Rehab, Sues Michigan Town

Per_WickstromWe told you recently about Per Wickstrom, who owns a number of drug rehab centers in Michigan. Per’s businesses have been associated with Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon. But we’ve noticed that in recent years, he’s been getting away from the Narconon brand — and can you blame him? With Narconon mired in controversies and investigations and lawsuits in places like Oklahoma and Georgia — and attracting national media attention — word is getting out about the network’s shortcomings.

In Battle Creek, Michigan, Per owned a facility called Narconon Stone Hawk, but in 2008 he re-christened the place “A Forever Recovery,” and not only dropped the Narconon name, he’s doing his best to make it look like he’s severed ties with Scientology altogether. At its website, A Forever Recovery says it offers Christian-based, Native American-based, and “holistic” approaches to addiction and calls them “evidence-based, comprehensive, and personalized.”

Hey, that ought to appeal to everyone, right? Well, apparently the locals aren’t impressed, and have stopped every attempt by Wickstrom to expand the place. So Per’s suing!

We got our hands on several documents associated with the case. Per’s TIA corporation complains that between May 2012 and May 2013 the Pennfield Charter Township (which is primarily northeast of Battle Creek itself) repeatedly turned down TIA’s request for a zoning variance so it could double the size of A Forevery Recovery with a large new building and more parking.

Per’s company complains that not allowing him to add on to the drug rehab facility is essentially a “taking” under the US Constitution.

But in its motion to dismiss the lawsuit, the township — after removing the case to federal court — denies that there’s a taking, calling Per’s complaints “unripe, inadequately pled, and [they] fail as a matter of law.”

We can’t help think of a similar case in Florida, where an equally interesting character, Kurt Feshbach, tried to expand a Narconon center and was stymied by Hernando County. Although the Narconon center eventually won a paltry $74,000 judgment in the case, the county still hasn’t allowed the center there to grow.

So far, it looks like Pennfield Township is sticking to its guns and doesn’t want Per to build out his new project. Will either side give? Or will it turn into A Forever Lawsuit?

 
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TomKatSmallThe TomKat Project Tonight!

We’re looking forward to tonight’s 7 pm performance of The TomKat Project at the Player’s Theatre in the Village. The show is sold out, and as we announced recently, writer Brandon Ogborn and producer Dein Sofley will be introducing us to the cast for drinks afterwards. We hope to see some of you there. Your proprietor will be the bloke being tailed by an Australian TV crew. (We can’t divulge why just yet, but when we say Bryan Seymour is involved, we hope that gets a few hearts racing.)

PS: Seymour won’t be there tonight — he sent a crew while he’s elsewhere.

 
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Link of Note

Roger Friedman has a fun piece with the news that actress Anne Archer and her husband, big-time TV producer Terry Jastrow, have teamed up with Tom Cruise’s former assistant Michael Doven — whom some of you may remember from a previous story — for a golf-themed movie they hope to film in Colorado, if the state comes through with some incentives.

 
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  • 1subgenius

    This gal in Traverse City Michigan apparently has been following Wickstrom’s scams for a while.

    Here’s one blog post about Per’s invasion of Indiana.

    http://glisteningquiveringunderbelly.blogspot.com/2013/08/state-of-indiana-reviewing-tranquility.html

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Quivering snakes follow Wickstrom because that’s just the kind of slimeball he is. Per Wickstrom is the poster boy for Change Our Laws Only Now.

      Damn, Seymour, Ortega and Tom Kat … Oh My!

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Archer’s movie sounds like a golf version of “Kingpin”.

    • Missionary Kid

      Nah, at that budget, it looks like a movie made for TV. Hallmark has two TV channels for satellite and cable. They need content. It won’t have anything controversial, and most of their stuff is boy meets girl cute, boy loses girl, boy gets girl in the end. Everything else is pretty much window dressing.

      • mook

        doesn’t the CoS sponsored Hollywood Xmas Parade air on Hallmark? hmm..

        • Missionary Kid

          Author Services is just one of community sponsors listed. I don’t know if there’s a $cion connection with Hallmark. Hallmark loves anything that will help them sell cards, although their card business is not doing too well because people are sending e-cards.

          • Poison Ivy

            I & some colleagues have done business with them on many platforms for a number of years and as far as I know, there is no Sci connection. They are a solid, respectable outfit. FYI, Hallmark Hall of Fame (airing on network) and Hallmark Movie Channel and Hallmark Channel are different animals. The first does big budget movies (in TV terms – which is up to $10m) that buyout a portion of the commercial time for really expensive, slick card ads and for which you can still get significant actors; the second two do low budget movies ($1-$2m TOPS) and now series (don’t know those numbers) that have somewhat diluted the brand because, as @missionarykid:disqus says, they need tons of content. They also acquire low budget family fare. Sadly, I’ve heard some of those original HC movies now actually hire non-union writers and directors (hence the propensity to shoot in Canada). They replay their old Hallmark Hall of Fame movies and other movies on the channels as well. Their card business is indeed drying up but I believe the company still ekes out a profit overall (JohnP would know that.)

            They still maintain a strong and identifiable family brand, though their core audience is aging and they are struggling to find a youth connection. They also actually do a decent business in DVD sales of their Hall of Fame movies, which is really saying something these days. Possibly because their demographic haven’t figured out streaming yet.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll bet that their movies are a staple of the bargain bins at places like Walmart. After they’ve made back their investment, that’s all gravy, even at those low prices.

              Not everybody has a connection that’s good enough to stream movies.

              Lately, Lori Laughlin seems to be a staple on some of the movies I happened to see. It’s a place where actors can keep working.

            • Poison Ivy

              Thank you MK! I get on a soapbox now and then about the short “expiration date” on actresses. The bad ones, I get it, but what about beautiful women who are good, as they creep up to 40? No matter how good they look (and they all look good – they pay a lot of money to keep looking good), parts run out, then careers run out. Meanwhile, Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, George Clooney – the 50’s and over men are still getting matched up with 20-somethings. As it always was.

              Lifetime and Hallmark are two places where good actresses can go to keep working.

              I believe there is a dignity in keeping working. It is not fucking easy to do, particularly if you are a woman over 35 who was known early on for her beauty and sex appeal.

            • Missionary Kid
  • Missionary Kid

    Per is one of the people that brings shame on us Skandahoovians. I’m, of course, rooting for the Pennfield Township.

    I’m wondering if there’s any “graduates” that can attest to how much influence $cientology still has over Forever Addicted. I’ll bet nothing has changed.

    I’m envious of all you Bunkerites that get to go to the TomKat Project Have one for me afterwards.

    Hopefully we’ll get to see the product when the TV crew from OZ gets done.

    We’ll see how well the Golf movie, The Squeeze does. 3.3 million is a drop in the bucket fro most movies. It sounds like it’s a Hallmark RomCom that will play over and over. The pitch for the movie called it, “The Sting meets Tin Cup meets Caddyshack,” all which had much bigger budgets. I doubt it will be as good, but Hallmark needs content. Shooting in Colorado, They’d better get going, because the weather gets snowy soon. I won’t be looking for it at any theater near me anytime soon. It’s a TV movie.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I wonder if Michael Doven is heading up the usual suspects to form a posse. Someone’s got to harrass and stalk and scream at those fine folks in Colorado Springs to the right thing and give them everything they want and before Thursday at 2. Do any of the deciding council members have pet rabbits? Just sayin’.

      • Missionary Kid

        Colorado Springs is home to Focus on the Family, only one of the right wing fundamentalist Christian groups centered there. I don’t think they’ll do much protesting, because they love the money coming in to the community, but they could be alerted to the forced abortions in CoS, and to keep a sharp eye out for $cientology hand prints in the production company.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          ah, good to know the fundamentals.

      • Poison Ivy

        What producing experience does Michael Doven have? Is Cruise putting in any dough?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Wondering the same, PI. Doven is a photographer. Would be interesting to find out who all has put up stakes in this one. Is that super secret information?

          • Missionary Kid

            “Producer in His Own Mind” I love it. I just don’t have a category for it.

    • Poison Ivy

      With just $3.3 mil in the budget, they’ll be needing every tax credit they can get. Wanna bet they’re going to use free Sea Org labor in the production office?

      The film could go direct to Netflix/iTunes which is actually a viable marketing strategy for low budget these days. I don’t know if Scientology has any contacts in distribution/exhibition outlets…it will be telling if the film gets released (theatrical release is a HUGE feat for indies these days and filmmakers always get the short end of the deal…there are plenty of good films that deserve release that you can only find on streaming or DVD or self-marketing – case in point, Ed Burns’ endeavors.). They could also be counting on their “star power” (not very high, unless they bring in some name actors) to help them get into the festival circuit.

      Speaking from experience, this is not an easy way to make money – which I thought all Scientologists were about. Maybe this is indeed a labor of love for Jastrow. Does it say anywhere where the $3.3 mil is coming from?

      I’m interested in looking at this as a “canary in the coal mine” project to gauge just how much – or how little – clout Scientology has left in the film world.

      • Missionary Kid

        It’s probably a made for TV RomCom movie. There’s strong ties to the Hallmark Channel, which specializes in those on its TV channel. They show one a bunch of different times for a while, then wait and cycle it through again later. I wouldn’t be surprised if they also sell DVDs of it as well.

        • Poison Ivy

          Hallmark Channel – very familiar with them and how they work. What are the ties? (Hallmark usually announces.) $3.3 is VERY high for Hallmark, so there would have to be additional funding from somewhere. I doubt VERY much Jastrow would do a film that they would own – isn’t that against the law of exchange, or whatever? Hallmark Channel movies tend to go no higher than $1.5-2m max (NOT Hallmark Hall of Fame – which is a much more high-end configuration of the brand. Their movies can go to $10m which is way high for TV these days unless it’s HBO or Showtime or another premium brand (or network, which hasn’t done much in the way of movies going on 10 years now.)

          • Missionary Kid
            • Poison Ivy

              Good catch! So it was a Hallmark SERIES, not a movie, that they planned to shoot in Colorado (and they went off and took their marbles to Canada in a huff!). Hallmark does a lot in Canada, though it’s not the value it was in the 90’s when the US dollar was strong. Now the Canadian content rules (Canadian crew plus at least 1/2 the above the line points) are more onerous. But I’m thinking they probably already have an infrastructure there, and the Vancouver/West Coast can match Colorado pretty well in places.

              I wonder what the backstory of that deal going south was?

              FAST AND FURIOUS 7 will bring in a ton of money to the state, especially if they are using 50% Colorado crew. However I’m guessing it’ll mostly be second unit stuff.

              And the “Extreme Weight Loss” show? Not going to bring in a ton of money, except to Anshultz Center. They will be flying in all their main production people and the crew is a tiny fraction of what a film or TV drama crew will be. Plus the talent will be lodged/eating at Anshultz…there won’t be craft service, there won’t be huge equipment rentals…a reality show, even a network one, is not really a coup. They also don’t need tax incentives.

              It makes giving the Jastrow film a break a much better bet for Colorado.

            • Missionary Kid

              Mook was questioning a $cion/Hallmark connection because of the Hollywood Christmas Parade being partially sponsored by author services (as a local sponsor), and Hallmark, as one of what looks like, on air sponsors. I don’t know. Is there a connection?

            • Poison Ivy

              I wrote about this down below. I do not think there is any connection whatsoever, based on personal business with them as well as business many close colleagues have done with them over the years.
              You can read what I wrote below, but they are still very wedded to their family brand identity and loyal to their aging audience and Scientology would not fit in with that at all. In fact I think there is a Christian group that has a 5% stake in there.
              They would be unlikely to fund the Jastrow film, but Hallmark Channel might acquire it down the line. They do acquire low budget family fare. And they are looking to do series now, and family-friendly reality TV, to attract a younger audience.
              Now, the Channel has been up for sale a couple of times recently. Since COB went ahead and bought my very favorite Hollywood Studio (the old KCET stages, which were originally Lubin Manufacturing, one of the earliest film studios in the city – 1912 – and the longest continually in-use studio), I wouldn’t put it past him to try and buy an entertainment company with a brand name. I just don’t think he could ever make a go of it, given the diminished respect (read, “utter disdain”) for CO$ in the industry now…and given the wonders of “management tech.”

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Love all the insider details, PI. tks

            • Poison Ivy

              Tragically I have to keep up with this stuff. But I do love “deal stories” – stories of how deals get made, and how they go bad. I am very curious about the Hallmark “escape from Colorado” tale. It could be very simple dollars and cents, but often there is drama around these things (Nikki Finke is great at reporting this) that make for entertaining reading.

  • Captain Howdy

    “he’s doing his best to make it look like he’s severed ties with Scientology altogether”

    HAH! He just did the super secret, super expensive “L Rundowns” last year.

    “The “L” Rundowns are super-secret. People pay $1000 per hour (yes,
    that’s one thousand US dollars per hour, not a typing error!) to be
    audited on these. You go in as an ordinary human being and you come out
    a super-thetan, or so people believe. And they must believe it
    otherwise they would not part with such vast sums of money.”

    http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/p/per-wickstrom.html

    • WhereIsSHE

      As Bugs Bunny would say, “What a Mor-ooooon!”

      • Captain Howdy

        And that “$1,000 per hour” quote is from an old clambake article. I believe it’s more expensive than that today.

        • FLUNK_101

          L 10 is $15,125 for 12 1/2 hrs, or $12,100 with the IAS “discount.”
          For L 10 there’s a 50 hr MINIMUM to make sure your potato gets baked properly.

          • Captain Howdy

            Thanks.

          • lightblb62

            So… it’s doubled since the 1970’s/80’s. Of course it has. Cost of delivery increases don’t ya know! lol. Rice and beans have skyrocketed in price! lol

          • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

            Also Flag has a policy that if you don’t use all of those prepaid hours the remaining money can’t be used for anything else. You simply lose it. I guess they figure anyone that can pay for the L’s can afford to eat the loss.

          • aquaclara

            ThERE’S A DISCOUNT?!?

            Ok, I just had to say that. But there is a catch, right? Discount can’t really mean LESS money???

            • FLUNK_101

              It means more money, much more, because it’s an IAS discount … IAS hits you up for donations.

            • aquaclara

              There we go! I feel better now. Because as I am learning, EVERYTHING is backwards in Scilonville. Discounts = more money, not less.
              I was ranting about “spiritual” yesterday…. I think I need to start a list of words that don’t mean what they say.
              Thank you. And also for the price sheet.

      • Missionary Kid

        Watch it, you’re showing your age. There’s a whole generation out there that barely knows Bugs. I love the saying, though, and I miss Mel Blanc, although his son does many of his dad’s voices now. I believe it was Mel who said that every great cartoon character has a speech impediment.

        • Espiando

          Actually, Noel Blanc hasn’t done voices for WB characters in twenty years. Jeff Bergman is the current voice actor for both Bugs and Daffy.

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks. Shows how far behind I am.

            • Poison Ivy

              What I always loved about the Looney Tunes series is, they got more sophisticated as you got older. When you were little the innuendo and cultural satire and intellectual references could pass right over your head and you’d still be rolling on the floor; when you were a teen and then an adult, the cartoons would be even funnier.

            • Missionary Kid

              Unfortunately, all of the cultural references have little or no meaning to kids today. They wouldn’t recognize a lot of the caricatures of Clark Gable or Veronica Lake. They do, however, love the sly craftiness of Daffy taking on Elmer.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              and Betty Boop. Who knew she was such a risque bad girl? hah

            • Missionary Kid

              Skirts that short and a flapper hairdo was racy at the time.

            • Captain Howdy

              Same thing with Rocky & Bullwinkle.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yeah, but Rocky & Bullwinkle, was over 20 years later. Can you say, “Wrong hat?”

              The cartooning was not as good, but the scripts were very well done, and they had a late 50’s, early 60’s sensibility about them.

          • Bradley Greenwood

            Si, Cy, Sue

      • WildaBeast

        I grew up watching little to no TV, except for two weeks a year up at my grandparents’ cottage. Loony Tunes was my favorite cartoon when I was up there. Love me some 1950s Bugs Bunny!

      • sugarplumfairy
        • WhereIsSHE

          LOL! thanks, SPF! (oops, I left out, “What an ignor-animous!” hahahahaaaaaaa!)

          • sugarplumfairy

            I wish you could have seen my workplace a few minutes go.. I was looking for that on my phone and it played much louder than I expected.. It caused a brief but very entertaining looney tunes fest.. Grown, reasonably intelligent men and women doing their best bugs, porky, elmer and donald.. It was pretty great..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Good job security SPF. Noone ever wants the lulz factor to leave the office evah!

            • Missionary Kid

              Here’s trivia. Do you know the words to the Loony Tunes Theme Song without Googling it?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Awww, kid… You cut off my googling arm.. W/o google my IQ drops like a gay scientologist’s tone level..

            • Missionary Kid

              That means your I.Q. doesn’t drop at all. Your information resources do, but since the tone level is total bullshit, so that means nothing changed. :-D

            • Captain Howdy

              Do you know the words to the Daffy Duck song?

            • Missionary Kid

              As I remember the lyrics, the first two lines are
              My name is Daffy Duck,
              I work at a merry-go-round.

              O.K., time to check. According to google, the lyrics are different. The references I found are to the modern Loony Tunes series.

              According to this site, the Merry-go-round Broke Down is the song that’s used. Daffy sang it with the first line modified with his name.inserted:
              http://www.toonopedia.com/daffy.htm

              Here’s the video of the cartoon, done in 1938.
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO_WscoP_Ps

              Here’s the Lawrence Welk version. Oh, gawd, I could barely stand it:
              http://dialmformovies.net/2011/03/13/video-did-you-know-the-looney-tunes-themesong-had-lyrics/

              Here’s the Wikipedia entry:
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looney_Tunes#1930-1969

              Here’s the lyrics to the song Daffy sang.

              Hold your seats folks, here we go again [spoken]
              My name is Daffy Duck
              I work on a merry go round
              No job was as swell, I fixed my well
              Till the merry go round broke down
              The guy who worked with me
              Was a horse with a lavender eye
              Around we whirled we winked at girls
              Till the merry go round broke down
              Up and down and round it we spin
              The dizzy pace is too much for my head
              Now you know why I’m dizzy
              And do the things I do
              I am a screw and you are too
              It’s the merry go round broke down
              Yes the merry go round broke down

            • Captain Howdy

              Dam! You’re an efficient MF, MK. Thanks, now I can sing it the cats and neighbors.

            • WhereIsSHE

              I do! I do!!! (I think?!)
              Overture.. curtains, lights!
              This is it, the night of nights!
              No more rehearsing and ?-ing of parts… we know every part by heaaarrrrrt!…
              Overture, cutains, lights!
              This is it… we’ll hit the heights..
              And OH what heights we’ll hit…..
              ON WITH THE SHOW, THIS IS IT!!!”
              (something like that;)

            • Espiando

              Close, but not quite.

              Overture, hit the lights
              This is it, the night of nights
              No more rehearsing and nursing a part
              We know every part by heart

              And the rest you got.

            • Missionary Kid

              I believe that’s the modern version. The original was the Tune to The Merry Go Round Broke down. Ya gotta realize, there’s a bunch of us old farts here. That tune was used in 1937.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Whaaaaaat?! The L’s are famous for driving people completely and hopelessly around the the bend. Someone like Per who is already pretzel mental, well, he’d probably due something like sue a city for not letting him have his way. You know, put his name back out in the spotlight to remind the citizens the torture horror show he puts on behind his doors.

      • Captain Howdy

        I can just tell looking at this guy what he’s all about. He walks around in an Armani suit wearing a bolo tie with cowboy boots and he doesn’t give a rat’s ass about what he’s selling because everything is “product” or his “brand’ to him and he’s the “Greatest Salesman in the World’ and he can sell anybody, anything.

        • sugarplumfairy

          hmmmm.. sounds the the real estate/sales version of tom cruise.. Wonder if they have anything for nurses? I’d love to be the greatest nurse in the world..

          • WhereIsSHE

            You ARE the greatest nurse in the world, as far as WE are concerned!

            • Captain Howdy

              Yes she is…even though I’m still waiting for my unlimited refill script for 30mg roxicodone.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’d post some videos of him, but even for This crowd, way too revolting for breakfast. Or dinner. Let’s just say he won’t be needing to wiggle up to the oiliness table ever. But I might like to see him at Pain Machine…often.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          But what I really wanna know is this.
          What do you think of his eyebrows? (As I raise one of mine)

          • Captain Howdy

            His eyebrows? I think he needs to have the “C” word forcibly tattooed right above his eyebrows like the poor guy in “The Ghosts of the Civil Dead”.

            • tetloj

              awesome, chilling flick

            • Captain Howdy

              John Hillcoat, Nick Cave FTW!

        • Poison Ivy

          I hate those guys. Hollywood is chock full of ‘em.

      • WildaBeast

        Pardon my ignorance, but what do the L rundowns consist of, and why do they drive people utterly mad? If I don’t respond for hours, it’s not that I don’t appreciate the information, but rather that I’m on the way out the door and won’t be back for most of the day. Thanks for anything you can tell me!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          It’s basically sold as a Super Size Me for scientology thetans, or as I like to call them…marks. This link gives you a summary of what all 3 are about.

          Do NOT click on those other links for details. First you won’t understand the gobble, and second it’s just too insane. One of the L’s is like an ethics interrogation on steroids for your billions of lifetimes on all Guhlaxies and questions too strange even for aliens. I never did these and thankful for it.

          http://www.xenu.net/archive/L-Rundowns/

          • WildaBeast

            Thank you, THDNE! It’s much appreciated :-) Followed your advice and did not click the links – it’s BC (Before Coffee) time for me anyway, and I’ve already proved I don’t speak Scientologese before coffee. But…they’re rundowns at least partially for people who went crazy during auditing, and yet, as per testimony of exes here, they’re rundowns that DRIVE you crazy. Reminds me of a quote from somewhere (again, can’t remember where): ‘The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results’.

      • Captain Howdy

        Remember that youtube video where the wife comes home from doing the L’s and she’s trying to describe it to her husband but she really can’t because if she does she’s going to have to kill him?

        Who’s got that link? BTN?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist
          • BananaSplits8

            I’d rather sit next to a whining toddler in a plane than listen/read more that 60 seconds worth of scilon exalted, inarticulate platitudes.

          • Captain Howdy

            BAM! hee-hee thanks H

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I’m trying to remember if I Ever sounded like that. Well, not quite That bad but close. It was my last ever action, ot 5. No L’s! However, this was close to my jumping out of the crazy tunnel in the sea org. I remember feeling very strange as I was giving my “win” blather and talking about how hard it was to describe it all, but definitely feeling tall … like Alice suddenly tall. I had already begun my exit break down. That woman in the video is too but she has another asylum mate affirming her break down as a good thing and calling it a win. I’m actually not being snarky. I’ve seen those lists of questions on the L’s and tried to imagine 50 freakin’ hours of them, over and over. Talk about a horror show.

    • Poison Ivy

      Isn’t the “L” rundowns “L” as in “Lying”?

      Am I mistaken or is that the one that teaches you how to lie?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        No, that is one of the special “TR”s, training routines. The L’s were marketed as Super Power for those with money to waste. One of them, PI, is sec checks on steroid for your trillions of flying around the galaxy in out ethics ways.

        http://www.xenu.net/archive/L-Rundowns/

        • Poison Ivy

          I always knew I was a bad bad girl in one of my millions of past lives!

    • lightblb62

      When I was at Flag, just after LRH established the Base after selling the ships…an intensive (12.5 hours) of an L rundown I believe, was $7500. It was a 25 hour minimum and most people had to buy 37.5 to 50 hours per L. So back then, whenever the L’s were first released.. (my time sense of things is off) it would cost a minimum of $45,000 for the 3 L’s, plus travel expenses, and room and board.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        you got off cheap!

        • lightblb62

          Oh I was on Staff… lolol.. I never paid for the L’s.. but I didn’t get off cheap. Trust me.

          • Poison Ivy

            Sounds like none of you exes got off cheap.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            ooooh no. not staff! You have my sympathies. The only good thing about being staff is you weren’t likely to see much bridge action.

          • monkeyknickers

            What – you weren’t happy earning $ 8.64 a week for 80 hours work? That’s just plain CRAZY.

      • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

        Do you know if they had the policy at that time of keeping any funds left over if you finished using less hours than you bought? I’m curious if that started under Hubbard or Miscavige?

  • WhereIsSHE

    a quick, apropos, link to introduce the awesome Bryan Seymour for those few who might not recognize the name (i know.. not likely that must regular Bunkerites would require it, but some may appreciate the ref.)

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7tXcCLS_sRQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7tXcCLS_sRQ

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Yipee! Yipee!

      • WhereIsSHE

        i adore the fuck out of Seymour
        check out how stunned those local reporters are when he lays bare the criminal actions of the cult… and when he squeezes in the WHERE IS SHELLY??? at the end

        turning green with envy here that some Bunkerites are going to meet Tony AND Bryan tonight…AND get to see TOMKAT=(!!!
        lucky ducks!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          New York gets all the fun! And yes, Seymour…love us some Seymour.

        • TonyOrtega

          I said Bryan was INVOLVED, not that he was going to be there.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            There goes the cheer in my cheerios.

          • monkeyknickers

            Well, what does “involved” mean, then for heavensakes. He’s doing the lights? Heading up the street team? Bankrolling the show?

            • TonyOrtega

              He sent a film crew to follow me around while he’s elsewhere. For a story I can’t tell you about yet. (But one we’ve been working on for a LONG time!)

            • tetloj

              Hmmm does this mean the Australian contingent will be doing a live blog?

            • Poison Ivy

              LOVE this!! Can’t wait for the Big Reveal!

            • monkeyknickers

              Hmmmm.

              My curiosity = pique-d-ness.

              But if you’re not dressed in drag doing “walk the dog” with a light up yo-yo while singing “You’re So Vain” during some point in this secret video thing, I shall be VERY. PUT. OUT.

              (I have very high standards)

          • blyman

            Hey Tony how about a Shelly update? As I’m sure you know, Scientology stories gain or lose traction in the press based on YOUR coverage. You are one of the few people who can apply pressure, whether that’s your goal or not. Regardless, how about an update?

            (Did detectives SEE her? Did they see her ALONE? Is she in good health? Has Leah Remini reacted? Could Kirstie Alley have eaten her? etc…)

        • Eclipse-girl

          Have a nice time, tonight.

          • WhereIsSHE

            Thanks, but I’ll be having a nice time at home. Not heading up to NYC, which is why I am all shades of envy today;)

    • WildaBeast

      As a noob here, thanks for the link. I hadn’t heard of Brian Seymour before, actually. Now I have, and it makes me happy.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Good grief! You could get lost on that site for a week, and still have videos to see!

      • WhereIsSHE

        This one is great. He is discussing Leah Remini leaving.. and makes a bold prediction for 2013 (and gets in the whole littany of abuses that MissCabbage is accused–and guilty–of in the process)
        And I mean… it is a BOLD prediction:
        http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V3_VfIENR6U&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DV3_VfIENR6U

        • Eclipse-girl

          If Brian is correct, I predict that it will be JT who leaves and not Tommy- boy. JT has been pushed to the side since the BE fiasco. I think Tommy-boy has too much on an inflated ego to ever admit he was wrong.

          • ze moo

            JT was doing the $cientology is good media stuff until the Remini escape became news. Any whale or cleb who remains connected to the clamdom is courting negative press and trouble. Does Davey have enough ‘minders’ to keep all in the corral?

            • Eclipse-girl

              Not denying that JT promotes $cientology. I think he does it to regain the position he once had. As much as I do not care for Rathbun, Rathbun has stated publicly that JT is a very nice , kind person. I do not hear that about Tommy-boy. JT may never leave. I did say “If Brian is correct…” It is all speculation. Doesn’t JT have a spot in the Kirstie Alley Sitcom? (I predict that won’t last for even one season.)

        • blyman

          A BOLD prediction indeed, but sadly very unlikely.

          Tom Cruise won’t leave. His whole “life force” is now bound to the church. And it’s especially tragic because while “blowing” definitely DOES get you places in Hollywood, for TC it would be the greatest career move in the history of that town, if not mankind. He could be a real-life hero who saves the real-life world, which is what he so desperately wants.

          And by all accounts, John Travolta is the warmest and kindest man anyone could ever hope to meet. I hesitate to call him a coward, but I think he is imprisoned by his own vanity. A retaliatory strike by the church (aka, the release of his most intimate confessions) would just crush him. And given “The Kelly Situation,” his departure is almost impossible to imagine. My observation has been that it’s harder to blow in pairs…

  • dwayners13 .

    You know the church of Scientology & Narconon has pretty much reached rock bottom when even scam artists don’t want to be associated them.

    • WildaBeast

      That about sums it up!

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      The cult will go after him because he’s practicing Scientology without a license. Ah, more fair-gaming and foot-bullets as the cult follows Hubbards game plan verbatim.

      • Missionary Kid

        I don’t believe he has to name $cientology practices or use the name NarCONon in his company name. All they care about is that he sends his money and recruits for them.

        • InTheNameOfXenu

          True.

  • WildaBeast

    Re: Per Wickstrom denied expansion, so decides to sue: YEEEEHAW! That’s freakin’ excellent. Not only is it an indication that the township has figured out that his ‘rehab’ isn’t a business to be encouraged, but his suing them is so colossally stupid that it just warms my heart. It’s the best way I can think of to encourage the opposition and get the word out about his scams. Who was it here who had decided recently to invest in popcorn stocks? :-D I’d like to get in on that, cause they’re going to be going {straight up and vertical} really soon…
    Best of luck to the township on this one!

    • Poison Ivy

      And Michigan ain’t exactly the most solvent state right now. Their state legislature has gone batshit crazy in the past few years, so I’m glad at least the Battle Creek town council has their heads on straight.

  • WhereIsSHE

    Roger Friedman for the “WIN”!
    LOVE his snarky casting suggestions!!!!!!
    Jason Lee… John Travolta…
    “And Kirstie Alley as the crusty owner of the local saloon.” Ahahahahaaaa!

    Psst… Roger… we spell it like this: KRUSTY

    Love his take, “The storyline sounds like you’ve seen this movie before :….[describes unoriginal storyline].”
    Yeah. That about describes it.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    Per Wickstrom is, in fact, himself expanding.

    • Espiando

      Straight out and horizontal.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        Just like a big, fat bridge to total freedom should be!

        • Poison Ivy

          In the footsteps of the Master, LRH. Or should I say, “in the cake crumbs” of the Master…

          • Bradley Greenwood

            You’re snarky… I like you :)

            • monkeyknickers

              She’s a catch, no? But back off brother . . . I got here first. :))

              Oh just kidding. Christ.

      • monkeyknickers

        HAHA !

  • monkeyknickers

    “Native American based” recovery programs? Are you fucking kidding me? It’s like asking a giant fat person eating a double cheeseburger for diet advice. Of all the nonsense . . . . wow.

    Look, let me disabuse Per of some notions here:

    Native American does not equal mystical fantastical bullshit.

    Native American does not equal hanging around the tee-pee all day discussing and disseminating afore mentioned mystical fantastical bullshit.

    WE ARE NOT A CARTOON.

    Well . . . . to be fair . . . . . . sometimes we are. Yeah . . . . . I can safely say that occasionally we’re a cartoon. Mostly after DRINKING AN ENTIRE 40 OZ OF MALT LIQUOR.

    Yeesh. Does that guy have a bumper sticker with Pocahontas on it that says “My Great Great Great Grandma was A Cherokee Princess!!” or something?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Baahaahaa!
      Don’t be thinking you Native Americans got the “cartoon” shit all locked up after a 40 oz.

      THAT particular thing knows no ethnic boundaries!!!

      • monkeyknickers

        Dammit! FINE THEN.

        I just wanted to be special. Back to the wigwam, I guess.

        :))

    • Captain Howdy

      I was expectin’ youse to weigh in on that one.

      Speaking of injuns..where’s Bella?

      • Missionary Kid

        Probably working.

        • Captain Howdy

          Haven’t seen a comment by her in a few days now.

          • Missionary Kid

            She probably is working her ass off, and I hope she finally has some money to enjoy other things.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh that’s right. Well good for her!

      • monkeyknickers

        Is Bella indian?? Shit – maybe we’re related.

    • Missionary Kid

      I can remember Colt 45 in quarts (32 OZ for those of you on the metric standard). I don’t drink much any more, so I’ll have to look to see what comes in 40 OZ size.

      • Captain Howdy

        Steel Reserve malt liquor is the standard bearer. It’s almost 9% alcohol.

        • Missionary Kid

          8.1% According to Wikipedia, although it’s limited to 6.0% in some states. It’s owned by Miller-Coors.

        • ze moo

          Why not go right to the ‘fortified’ wines? NIghttrain, Mogen David 20/20. Yeach, they taste terrible, but after the first glass, you can’t taste anything.

          • Captain Howdy

            40 0z of ML is less than $2.00.

          • Missionary Kid

            In college, when we weren’t drinking $1.49/gallon Red Mountain, we’d drink Triple Jack, which came in fifths and had an alcohol content of 12%. Barf.

            • WhereIsSHE

              When I was an undergrad.. we loaded up on bottles of EVERCLEAR (grain alcohol). I think it was, like… 190 proof.
              Talk about BARF(ing)=(!
              If you mixed it with Kool-Aid or Iced Tea Mix, you couldn’t taste it… so, inevitably, everyone drank way too much, wayyyy too fast (and almost froze to death, because.. who needs a warm winter coat in upstate NY in the middle of winter when you are too drunk to realize it’s freaking COLD outside!)

            • kemist

              eheh…

              We used the 4L 95% ethanol solvent bottles from the lab to make drinks with various juices and dry ice pellets.
              If it was initiation week, the first years would get methylene blue in their drink.
              Vomiting your guts out is even funnier when it’s a nice shade of green.

              Now they don’t do that anymore, it takes a special permit to buy 95% ethanol (the only one that’s safe for drinking since the 98% / denatured is co-distilled with benzene).

            • Missionary Kid

              If we had Everclear that we’d bring back from Tiajuana, we’d put it in the freezer to chill it as much as possible, then mix it with chilled grapefruit juice and a lot of ice. The low partial vapor pressure cause by the coldness meant that you didn’t taste it much. It came up easy, but didn’t taste as good going through the mouth.

              It’s definitely not good for your system.

      • Couch_Incident

        Colt 45 is too expensive – Olde English 800 (do they even sell malt liquor in England?) is the standard bearer in these parts.

        • Missionary Kid

          Malt liquor is the designation for high alcohol beer. It’s a U.S. term, I’m pretty sure. Old English 800 is the worst shit possible. The only reason to drink it is to get high, it tastes so bad. I have trouble getting it down.

          • Ciru

            Ha. I always thought malt liquor meant whiskey; single malt, etc. High alcohol Belgian beers are great!

        • monkeyknickers

          Omg I have such a vivid memory of a row of empty Olde English bottles in the kitchen window. :))

          That made me laugh.

        • Feather

          Anyone remember Billy Beer?

      • monkeyknickers

        Get your drink on, son!

        :)

      • Couch_Incident

        We obviously have some malt liquor connoisseurs here, so i present “40 Ounces of Fury!” from Modern Drunkard Magazine, rating your favorite brand on Flava, Street Cred, and Power:
        http://drunkard.com/issues/03_03/03-03_forty_fury.htm

        • ze moo

          While the 40’s may rule the bottom end of the alcohol ladder, you can’t do wrong with ‘barleywine’ style beers. Ten per cent alcohol and many small breweries make one.

          • Captain Howdy

            I highly recommend “Young’s Old Nick Barley Wine Ale” from the U.K, if you can find it.

            • ze moo

              I have tried several ‘Youngs’ beer and ales, we have 2 or 3 exotic beer stores around me. There is or was a barleywine called ‘Druid Fluid’, made by some small brewer in Central NY. Great beer.

          • Couch_Incident

            Never tried barleywine – thanks for the tip. I’ll throw out that if one wants a very strong beer that tastes pretty good, Spaten Optimator is a good pick; a doppelbock weighing in at 7.6%.

        • Captain Howdy

          I’ve swilled every one (except “Crazy Horse” which I’ve never seen) of those toxic concoctions in shitty neighborhoods across this great land. I started out with Colt 45 back in the 70’s. Back then it was considered quality stuff.

          I just recently stopped drinking “beer”. Too time consuming, easier just to go straight to the potato juice.

          When i was drinking beer, what I would drink depended on my cash flow. If I was financially embarrassed, I would go for the malt liquor with the highest alcohol content, which is Steel Reserve or St Ides. Taste was never a consideration.

          • aquaclara

            Well,cash flow was definitely a factor. I will add geography and less-cheap friends to the mix as well. Have not had an Arn (Iron City or IC Lite), nor a Busch beer, nor Miller in quite some time. Ugh, or Natty lite.

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s someone with too much time on their hands, and too much time holding the bar down with their elbows.

          Side story: Bars are made of Helium. If you don’t keep your elbows on them, they float up, and pretty soon you’re on the floor looking up at the bottom side of them.

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      Anglos usually have this naive notion that Native Americans have this secret knowledge or wisdom that no one else has. it worked well in the movies like Dances With Wolves or Nightwing (my favorite 70’s nature-run-amok film). So Per Wickstrom shyster is promoting to sucker us substance-abusing honkies that his rehab is the best way to go sans the Scientology connection.

      • Captain Howdy

        “Anglos usually have this naive notion that Native Americans have this secret knowledge or wisdom that no one else has.”

        Same thing with Asians and Eastern Mysticism.

        • monkeyknickers

          Exactly.

          ANYthing uttered by an old chinese man with a fu man chu is just plain STEEPED in wisdom. :)

          Huh. I just now noticed that “utter” mean both “speak” and . . . . “really” or “totally” I guess. Huh.

          How weird. I wonder why that is.

          Sorry – WELCOME TO MY BRAIN.

          • Missionary Kid

            When someone tells a woman, “It must be your period,” they’re being stupid, but from my limited experience, I will testify that, “It’s the pregnancy hormones in action” can be a reason for an offbeat way of thinking.

            I don’t know you, or even know what you were like um-pregnant, so I can’t even make that statement.

            • monkeyknickers

              No darling, I’m this way normally. Imagine my mother’s distress.

              I’m just grouchier now. :)

              And every time I hear someone say – what?! are you on the rag?! I reply, once you have a vagina and bleed out of it and are thusly able to build another human with your uterus, then we’ll talk. In the meantime, go get me some goddamn ice cream.

              Shit – I might actually be the same amount of grouchy too MK. You can see why my relationships last 5 minutes. Guys are all enamored that I’m spicy and sing and know how to complete a sentence and then . . . .

              reality sets in.

              :)

            • Missionary Kid

              Snickersnort.

            • Nevermore

              Which reality?? ;-)

            • monkeyknickers

              Well . . . . . .

              the one where delicious sashimi grows on trees and there really are unicorns and I can get someone to brush my hair everyday?

              Okay, no.

              The reality that ends in . . . . “no I REALLY am like this.”

              :))

            • GlibWog

              Kid.. When A Man Asks a woman.. ” It must be your period..” they’re NOT only being stupid, but

              Suicidal!!

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup.

            • monkeyknickers

              HAHAHA

        • Missionary Kid

          Here, we sell crap as if it’s from Europe. In Europe, they sell stuff as if it’s from the U.S. or Hollywood, or some other place. I wouldn’t doubt but it’s the same shit.

          It’s the different culture = exotic formula.

          • richelieu jr

            I remember laughing my ass off when I saw that Bud was really expensive over here ib France. Almost as much as I did when I saw people drinking Heineken in the States like it was sophisticated….

            • Missionary Kid

              When I was in the service, stationed in Florida, Coors wasn’t sold east of the Mississippi, so Westerners would load up the trunks of their cars when they visited home and bring back cases, selling them for double and triple the price. It was a matter of not having something available. It’s like In ‘n Out burgers for people who have gotten used to them, and move out of the area.

              On flights that were round robins to the West, pilots would load up the baggage compartments with Coors and bring it back. That continued until some idiot loaded up the baggage compartment of either Air Force One or a support plane, and some reporter’s baggage got bumped. Orders came down from above saying, “You WILL NOT transport alcoholic beverages in military aircraft. It is, of course, illegal, but everyone was doing it.

              When I went through the Heineken brewery, I’d been brewing my own beer, so I asked a lot of questions. That annoyed some the people who were on the tour with me because all they wanted was the free beer at the end, and I was slowing them up.

              The grass is always greener.

            • GlibWog

              OH Kid.. You bet your ASS.. I remember the Coors Frensy..
              It was Almost as crazy as the frenzy over the Cabbage Patch and Beanie Babies!

      • monkeyknickers

        We’re so wise that we fell for the shiny beads.

        Maybe that’s what he means.

        • Missionary Kid

          The native Americans were artists. That’s why they valued the beads. They also valued Horses, rifles, ammunition, and all sorts of other things. They just weren’t in to writing down deeds and shit and developing land.

          If they didn’t use the beads, they could trade them among other native Americans.

          • ze moo

            How many casinos do indian tribes own/run today?? Quite a few. Some tribes in NY are doing very well..

            • Missionary Kid

              As someone said, we stole the land from the Indians, and they’re winning ti back a dollar at a time.

    • Once_Born

      Granted, Mr Wickstrom is aiming to exploit popular misunderstanding of Native American culture.

      However, many people are aware of the Native American ‘sweat lodge’… …which is a bit like a sauna … and what well-know quack medicine {detox} programme involves a sauna?

      Is he just rebranding the same old same old?

      • Eclipse-girl

        All I can think of is the last season of Arrested Development.

        • blyman

          All I can think of is SHELLY MISCAVAGE. Is it me or is that case still totally unresolved?

          • monkeyknickers

            Didn’t the LAPD say that talked to her in person?

            • Eclipse-girl

              They may have talked to her in person, but I do not know if they talked to her IN PRIVATE. Unfortunately, Shelley is probably still in the mindset of the cult and needs to be rescued and cared for before she would speak out against it.

            • Captain Howdy

              You can’t rescue somebody if they say they don’t wanna be rescued. The legal system put the nix on deprogramming long ago.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I know. Still people who are under mind control don’t usually realize it until after they are out.

            • blyman

              The “Concerned Relatives” were told the same thing regarding their loved ones in Jonestown. And they – just as I – didn’t buy that these captives were at peace with their situation.

              And what happened when Leo Ryan and the relatives finally made it into Jonestown? First one family requested to leave, then a second family, then more and more until there wasn’t enough planes to bring everyone home.
              In fact that’s why Leo Ryan had to finally leave the premises that day. Jim Jones saw that his entire flock was jumping ship, so he ordered a church member to “knife” Congressman Ryan so that he couldn’t process any more defectors.

              That’s why I get a bit irked every time I hear Tony say that Shelly may now be resigned to her fate. Let’s give the woman a little more credit. The powers of mind-control, coercion and intimidation are indeed formidable, but let’s not give up on Shelly after one visit from one detective. Let’s fight for this woman!!!

            • Missionary Kid

              The Jonestown people were totally isolated. There were no “publics” to speak of, and they were in a foreign country. Those are HUGE differences. In addition, Jim Jones as well as David Koresh had an Armageddon type of philosophy to start with.

              Forget the LAPD. What we want is Davy Dipstick to produce her in public. What I imagine will happen is that Shelly will come out with her minders close by, and put on a dog and pony show. In the meantime, we get the chance to “enturbulate” the Dipstick.

            • coonellie

              Oh, dear, now I know I’m exhausted and in need of more than 2 hours sleep…I read, “What we want is Davy Dipstick to produce her pubic!”

            • blyman

              The People’s Temple had a fully staffed base in San Francisco. They did have “publics” so to speak, and others who could travel freely around the world. And besides, the exodus to Guyana only occurred in the last 10 months of the group’s existence. The climate of fear-based control and blind loyalty to leadership existed for 15+ years prior to the isolation of Jonestown.

              But regardless we’re talking about Shelly Miscavage, and she IS being isolated in her own personal Jonestown (so we think). That’s the whole point. Part of these success of these cults depends on keeping members cut off from information from the outside world. I think the Jonestown analogy is a good one. Congressmen Ryan was warned that members would “not want to be rescued” too, but when they finally felt safe enough they FLED, or tried to. :(

            • Missionary Kid

              The people’s temple in SF didn’t commit suicide, did they? The isolation of Guyana and Jones’ goons enabled the massacre to happen.

              Let’s keep asking WHERE’S SHELLY?

            • Poison Ivy

              This is a good point. Scientology isn’t an Apocalyptic cult in the traditional sense, although it does predict the desctruction of mankind UNLESS you take out another loan on your house….

            • richelieu jr

              Sorry,Shelley is worth fighting for in as much as it embarasses/inconveniences her erstwhile husband as still current master… She deserves pity and help as a human being, of course, but that comes after every other human bean in the Scilon Burrito save one or two…

              That’s already ten times as much pity as she ever showed her victims…

            • WhereIsSHE

              YIKES=(

            • GlibWog

              I absolutely Agree with you WhereIsShe.. All Great Points

            • blyman

              I don’t entirely disagree. People like Shelly and Heber arguably deserve less sympathy than many others still inside, but they are the “big names” and can help generate media attention – which in turn can help save all the others.

              They are also the ones thought to be held in virtual captivity. For all the good that Rinder and Rathbun have done, what if either of them had waited a little too long to decide to defect? What if Mike Rinder was scheduled to be thrown in the hole just days earlier? He may never have had a another chance again in his life.

              Which is why I believe Miscavage is keeping these members imprisoned indefinitely. He can’t risk another high-level defection. Which is precisely why we need to push for answers about people like Shelly and Heber!

            • richelieu jr

              Oh, I agree! Let’s push let’s push!

              The ‘Poor Shelley’ stuff seems a bit lacking i respect to her victims, is all.
              In a way I would respect her more for not leaving than the others if I thought it was totally voluntary (even though it is harder to leave your husband and easy, rich style of life behind) because there would be less of the “I was OK as long as the people going in the hole were anyone but le, but as soon as the worm turned I saw the light!” crap that makes me want to pule with RInder and Marty and even Tommy boy…

            • Missionary Kid

              Even if she doesn’t want to be rescued now, the stink we raise puts the focus on Der Dwarfenfuehrer, the cult, and his autocratic ways. That’s worth the effort. Ultimately, it may free her, if she gets to know that people care.

              Keep asking WHERE’S SHELLY?

            • GlibWog

              And Video Recorded with a ” Surprise FBI Visit..” with her saying..

              ” I am just happy as a clam working my tale off for the Good of Mankind.. ”
              Unless I see it with my own eyes and hear actual words coming out of her mouth ..

              But then again.. Do you know easy it would be to duplicate Shelly? I mean NOT for those who knows her to sit down and have lunch..

              But say showing up ..Super Powers Opening.. You get someone Her Height, Weight.. Cheek bones ..keep her mouth shut.. heavily guarded ..

              and Cops seeing her.. Was DNA taken? Again that is the only way I would believe it unless Leah confirmed it.

            • Missionary Kid

              I think she’ll be pulled out for the SP building opening in October, but her appearance and movements will be VERY controlled. There will be no press allowed, and she will be smuggled in using an SUV with blacked out windows into a covered entrance so no wogs see her.

              Davey will then proclaim, “Here’s Shelly, See! She’s fine.” but she won’t be talking to Leah or long-time friends.

            • Missionary Kid

              The fear and brainwash is strong in Co$. I don’t think they need a double.

            • GlibWog

              I meant for all of us Kid..( IF PICTURES ARE LEAKED..)

            • GlibWog

              Monkey..You know different Media picked up different things. A detective was quoted on E ! that he spoke to the Miscaviges ( YES S ) together.. ( But he didn’t know when or where)
              Shit it could have been 2001.. The whole thing Smells to High Target 2

            • monkeyknickers

              Shut up!! Really? They said the Miscaviges were together in the same room?

              WHOA

            • GlibWog

              Yep! But Monkey.. Every news outlet has been saying something else..

              After the { Case was Closed.} ( Puke)

        • Poison Ivy

          The Sweat Lodge for Executives!!

      • monkeyknickers

        I reckon, huh . . .

        And native cultures are REALLY REALLY different from one and other. Like . . . I’m sure if you presented the idea of going into a little tent to get sweaty to my gran, she would smack you. Smack first, questions later. :)

        I mean – the distance between say . . . Iroquois and Salish tribes is roughly the distance between Denmark and Iran.

        And nobody would expect the Shah to be eating ableskivers.

        holy shit.

        I just got “shah” and “ableskiver” in the same sentence.

        EXTRA DESSERT FOR MONKEY TODAY.

        • richelieu jr

          I have had some Navajo and Hopi/Zuni coffee that was a whole substance abuse cycle in and of itself… Seriously, i think they keep those pots boiling sugar and all for MONTHS; and I am not sure they EVER get washed…

          (it’s really good, though… esp with some of Uncle Joes ‘Medical/Lubricant’ to dilute it a bit….)

          • monkeyknickers

            I enjoy medical lubricant as a diluting agent. What a shame I can’t use it right now.

            There’s Navajo coffee? Huh. This I didn’t know. I think they’re responsible for maize or potatoes or something too.

            My peeps are mostly halibut/eel/kelp oriented.

            :)

            OHHHHHH wait. I think I’m missing something here.

            (and who’s surprised about that:))

            • richelieu jr

              Nah, they don’t grow it themselves, they buy it at the supermarket like everyone else, I think (or make you do it!).. They just seem to always gave a pot on, always hot to boiling, and always serve it, even though it is like cough syrup..
              They just keep pouring more grounds and sugar in it, and… Must be a cultural/hospitality thing, I always thought, as it certainly wasn’t confined t one strange old person’s house… But the lubricant, I am sure is pretty much the same as you use and everyone on the reservation uses…
              Didn’t realize you were NA, MK, in spite of your Avatar… I don’t know a lot of Pacific Northwest people, apart from some Nez Percés (talk about an unfair name!), Bela Coola, Tlinglit ((not sure If I’m even spelling that right…) Always was a sucker for the totempole, tourist trap stuff though,a s a kid…

            • monkeyknickers

              Come visit! Since you’re such an obvious language buff, you can go to Chinook wawa school. It’s open to all, as you can see. God knows I could use a grammar refresher myself :( Yesterday I told Ashleen that it was so bright at night because there was a great big elk in the sky.

              Honestly. I need to get out more.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb_K1pW-dLU

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Try the pemmican. I understand it’s delicious.

          • monkeyknickers

            Ha! This one I know. Cept we always called it eskimo ice cream, and essentially refused to eat it ever. Because there is REAL ice cream now. That isn’t made from rendered seal fat and stuff. :))

            • Missionary Kid

              I knew a man who made survival food for the military (in the 50s and 60s). He made pemmican as one of the items included. I don’t know how close it was to the real thing, but apparently it didn’t take up much space, lasted a long time, and had a lot of calories.

            • monkeyknickers

              I think that’s the precisely the reason for its existence full stop.

              That, or to make you gag.

              Incidentally, there is – and I’ve only seen and smelled it once MANY many years ago at gram’s house – something called (at least by her) “stinkhead”.

              It’s an easy recipe. try it!

              Ingredients:

              Fish head of any variety

              Directions:

              Bury it in a hole in the backyard.

              Wait one year.

              Dig it up.

              Eat on a soda cracker with a fine Merlot.

              Enjoy!

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s not what I knew as Pemmican. On some episodes of a “reality” show based on a family run aviation business in Alaska. The wife is Native American, and buried seal flipper in the ground, as I remember. They called it Ice cream as well. Very stinky.

              The Pemmican that I was talking about is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pemmican
              and here: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-make-pemmican/#axzz2cdB54KpR

              The Pemmican I was familiar with had dried meat in it, with dried fruits and nuts added with hot fat poured over it.

              BTW, if you want to avoid all the spaces between the lines, post something, then edit it, then paste what you want. in the message. I discovered that accidentally with my lists.

            • Feather

              Stinkhead sounds like the shark delicacy they have in Iceland. Bury a shark, let it rot, dig it up and eat it.

            • monkeyknickers

              HAKARL!!

              The best engineer (music) I know and’ve worked with is from Iceland, and this was a joyous meeting of the cultures and shit. That being said . . . .they have more gross, weird, rotted up food than we do. Iceland for the win. :)

            • Feather

              That is funny!

        • Zana

          You are wonderful! :-)

          • monkeyknickers

            Would you mind writing a letter to my mother? Um . . . a notarized letter?

            :)))

            PS I like you more. :)

            • Zana

              I’ll be glad to!! You can pin it to the inside of your sweater. :-) Like a little kid taking her note to school. You’ll have it wherever you are.

            • monkeyknickers

              In that exact vein, I give you this bit that made me laugh A LOT. If you’re offended by cussing – this isn’t the bit for you. :))

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg_tLTfz9Ag

            • Zana

              He’s fabulous. ! Love it. Thanks. :-)

        • Missionary Kid

          Amen to what Zana said.
          I’ll write a letter.

          • monkeyknickers

            You’re hired. Make it sound good or SOMEBODY might leave a bag full of icky diapers on your porch.

            On fire.

            And stuff.

            :)

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m drafting it now.

              Dirty diapers, I can handle.

        • cicely neville

          You deserve all the jewels on the Peacock Throne! Not only one sentence, but i’ve never heard of ableskivers. And i’m personally involved rather closely with a Dane.

          • monkeyknickers

            They sell them at the Scandinavian Festival in Junction City. Which is about as close to Danish culture as I’ve gotten really.

            They also sell SWEDISH MEAT PIES.

            They are like a meat doughnut. And I love them.

            :)

          • monkeyknickers

            Also I don’t know what a Peacock Throne is, but I DO know it sounds really cool and also that I have a overwhelming fascination for cool looking rocks.

            I’M IN.

            • Missionary Kid

              According to Wikipedia, “The Peacock Throne, called Takht-e Tāvūs (Persian: تخت طاووس‎) in Persian, is a famous golden throne that was originally built for the Mughal emperor Shāh Jahān in the early 17th century. The throne was subsequently captured by Persian leader Nader Shah in 1739. The name was later adopted and used to describe the thrones of Persian rulers”

              It was said that the Shah of Iran sat on the Peacock Throne.

            • cicely neville

              OTVIII’s shoop of Dm as emperor a few days ago shows the Shah’s throne room and the Peacock throne. A bit overdone for my taste, but it’s quite a sight.

            • monkeyknickers

              YOU ARE SOME SMART ASS PEOPLE ALL UP IN HERE.

        • cicely neville

          YES YES DAMMIT YES – PREACH IT SISTER!!
          Dime store dream catchers are my personal bete noir. I have others. Let me write to you.

          • monkeyknickers

            Please do!

            Dreamcatchers . . . . good christ. I hardly know where to start. :)

            • cicely neville

              You owe me one, kid. But I’m letting you off because of your scintillating brilliance today.
              (I saw a dreamcatcher in Wales – WALES – ! With – pink – marabou— )

            • monkeyknickers

              Were they also selling fudge and candles?

              :)

            • cicely neville

              (Why am i here? I’m trying to swear off! ) Check your email, and I will tell you All.

        • i-Betty

          Hilarious!! Can I keep your gran?

          • monkeyknickers

            If you want to be assaulted, then of course.

            :)

            (I’m not kidding)

    • dagobarbz

      Maybe he’s hired James Arthur (Death) Ray to run a sweatlodge. Or possibly they just burn sage in the rooms.

    • Bradley Greenwood

      My 1/16th inner-Cherokee applauds you!

      • monkeyknickers

        Funny man . . . . :)))

    • Phil McKraken

      You say not a cartoon, but have you seen Injun Joe? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9sce_wagon-heels-injun-joe_news

    • Nevermore

      I feel your pain. The Plastic Paddy stuff on St Patrick’s Day makes all the Irish bits of my DNA combust.

      • RMycroft

        Myself, I have very mixed emotions about Sir Walter Scott.

        • Nevermore

          I find him and Robert Burns to be extremely over-rated! Though admittedly I am handicapped where Burns is concerned, as I don’t speak Scots. I know a few words here and there, but not many.

          • RMycroft

            Besides the (fake) romantic histories, it was the one visit by big fat King George IV where Scott got everybody to dress up and act as Highlanders. In the Lowlands of Edinburgh. Where the whole short kilts and clan tartans were unknown. It stuck. And the rest was (more fake) history.

      • monkeyknickers

        The river of green beer must drive you absolutely nuts!

        • Nevermore

          It’s like wtf has green beer etc got to do with St Patrick?? Maybe I’m just getting grumpier as I get older!

          • monkeyknickers

            Yes. You are.

            Because some shit really is just too stupid to be borne, and year by year we cast off all that unnecessary naivete like it’s baby fat.

            Then we get spicy and tell it like it is.

            This is precisely why I seem to be awesome at pissing people off more and more.

            :)

    • cicely neville

      Oh, and Christian-based too. With a Good Fairy on staff. What a slime ball.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    It’s shows how mature I am… my main beef with Wickstrom is his hair style. Someone needs to go all Amish on him and cut the ridiculous lid off.

    • Lark Smith

      Ditto Brad. His head is way too large to support that hairdo. He is an odd looking fellow for sure.

      • Captain Howdy

        He’s the mutant offspring of Brian Dennehy and Charles Napier.

        • Lark Smith

          LOL- what an image!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        He ego is way too large to support Michigan.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Can you have them do Trump too?

      • Missionary Kid

        All they have to do is chase the bleached raccoon off his head.

        • sugarplumfairy

          donald trump was a mannnn.. yes a biggggg man..

          • Missionary Kid

            …and a douche.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I merely assumed the photo was taken on Come-as-Your-Favorite-Coen-Brothers-Character night.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        Ouch!

  • baddog5623

    Sounds like some locals need to get picket signs and protest in front of his scam

  • Mark

    “Per Wickstrom” indeed! I think that’s Hyacinth Bucket in drag:

    • Mark

      Or possibly Ena Sharples:

      • Lark Smith

        Almost Mark….But their hair gives them symmetry poor Per lacks (even with the hair net and scowl). Perhaps an aged bloated Bob’s Big Boy?

        • Mark

          His hair is very odd. Also, his eyebrows look plucked to me – or maybe he’s been using one of his own remedies – Old Squaw Wickstrom’s Pumice Depilatory Ointment?

          Dammit – where’s a picture of Brian Dennehy in drag when you need one?

          • Nevermore

            This is as close as I could find, Mark…

            • Mark

              (Cackles) So now we know what Per gets up to on his nights off – down at the ‘Marine Commando Club’…

        • grundoon
          • Lark Smith

            That’s him Grundoon! Thanks LOL. The hair looks about the same, age him and add wrinkles and you have Per!

    • monkeyknickers

      Mark I JUST started watching this show, mostly because it’s slated directly after an old sitcom called “As Time Goes By” on this PBS blog stream thing I subscribed to . . . .

      a) Judi Dench (sp?) is my hero and she is SO sweet and funny.

      and

      b) it’s BOUQUET! :)

      • Mark

        (a) Though I’m sure Dame Judi would be marvellous in a revival of the part, it was the marvellous Patricia Routledge (no mean soprano, too) who played Hyacinth.

        (b) Hyacinth’s hubby Richard should know how to pronounce his own surname, but either he’s not telling, or more likely he can’t get a word in edgeways. Though Hyacinth says “Bouquet”, it’s officially spelt “Bucket”:

        • monkeyknickers

          No no – I mean “As Time Goes By” stars Judi Dench.

          It’s the show that comes on my curated PBS stream before “Keeping Up Appearances”

          • Mark

            Sorry – should read more carefully.

      • Casabeca

        Love these! Also “Are You Being Served?” is an oldie but goodie.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I’ve heard before about Brad Pitt briefly trying out scientology, although I don’t remember hearing it was the Purif. I’ve heard speculation about Bono, but here Jenna Miscavige Hill confirms both. The “church’s” responses to Jenna’s statements are vile and crazy. Keep up the good work, David Miscavige. You’re star is shining so bright in Hollywood now, just like you always dreamed. In fact, the whole wide world is now zooming in for your close up. Smile.

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/08/scientology-tried-recruit-brad-pitt-bono-church-leader-niece-jenna-miscavige-hill-claims/

    • sugarplumfairy

      Aaaaggghhhh! Not Bono!

      • Missionary Kid

        Tried, not joined.

        • Poison Ivy

          Bono went through at least a decade there when I swear he thought he was Jesus. No slight on his music or humanitarianism, but he was pretty full of his own good works. He seems to have mellowed in his middle age, but perhaps the idea of Sooper Powers appealed to him briefly at one point in his life.

          Thank God he stayed away. I’m sure he saw right away that this was not a real “humanitarian” organization. He would’ve been a damn dangerous Scientologist in terms of attracting people to the cult.

          • sugarplumfairy

            exactly! But I do love his God Part 2..

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Someone is going to Have to replace Leah Remini. Leah Remini is a Stat, or more likely, a whole lot of stats for a lot of Celebrity Center staff as well as OSA. In scientology, there is Never Ever an excuse for a downstat.

            So OSA’s infiltrators are going to be hot and heavy on the prowl now, perusing the drug problem list, or the mental breakdown list or the Too Powerful for my britches list.

            • Missionary Kid

              Let’s hope that if they recruit someone, they’re a total douche, and shows it.
              Krusty knows how to schmooze the press. I saw an interview with her and JT for her new show. She was declaring her true love for him, and saying what a heartthrob he was. I’d like her to get caught in a video talking smack about Leah, but I don’t think she’s that stupid.

          • Captain Howdy

            I strongly agree with your last sentence. Other than that I always thought he was a complete wanker. I remember reading how the bass player guy with the big dick wanted to go out after shows and chase groupies and Bono and the rest would be “Don’t you wanna come back to the trailer for bible study?”

          • tetloj

            That was probably about the time Billy Connolly said about him (and Sting….and Geldof) ‘get out your f’ing guitar and get to work (i.e. get over yourself and your celebrity do good holier than thou crap)

            • monkeyknickers

              Billy Connolly is my boyfriend.

              :)

          • Couch_Incident
            • Captain Howdy

              HA HA! The “Lucky Clovers” bit is a classic. I almost died the first time i saw that. Very underrated show. Too bad Ben went soft.

            • monkeyknickers

              I seriously cannot tell you how happy that clip made me, Couch. I’m still kind of recovering. I am a music biz pariah because I think U2 is completely overrated and often say so at clubs and bbqs and other industry nonsense.

              God that made my day. I tried not to laugh too hard tho because the girls FINALLY are sleeping, and my niece is with her grandma, and I’m trying to nap.

              Guess what I’m doing instead??

              :))

            • CraftLass

              Okay, lady, if I didn’t like you before… I got myself into trouble the same way in the biz. lol U2 lost whatever mojo they may have had by the time Sunday Bloody Sunday got popular, IMHO. I also love Graham Norton’s take on Bono: He goes on and on about children in Africa, but does everything he can to avoid paying taxes at home, which hurts the people of Ireland, including its children (and there are plenty of poor children in Ireland who depend on government programs funded by taxes). Nothing wrong with highlighting problems in Africa, to be sure, but Norton makes a valid point (that can apply to many wealthy people, of course, but when you’re known for caring about the world’s children…).

              Sigh.

              In the end, music is subjective, so whatever. People like U2 a lot. I don’t. Fine. And I’m all for lauding people for doing anything that might help someone. But the way people worship Bono is kind of creepy, sort of like when people worship any human being…

              Looking at those you admire with a critical eye is important.

            • monkeyknickers

              And this is why I love you, Lass.

              As if Shrinky Dinks weren’t enough.

              Let’s form a club forthwith, girl. With decoder rings and shit. :)

            • CraftLass

              :-D :-D :-D YES!!!

              What drove me nuts in the music biz was that it had a certain cult-like group-think mentality. If a band makes money, you MUST like them and every single damn thing they do. Or at least pretend. And don’t forget your Grammy ballot… lol! Let’s go find 16 more bands that sound just like that popular band and then we’ll pick one to actually fund and make sure they all wrack up tons of debt before we dump most of them…

              I highly admire anyone who can be part of it and still think independently and have actual opinions, not to mention interests beyond the biz.

              Hmmmm… I think I just figured out why I’m so fascinated by cult-cults. lol

            • monkeyknickers

              I need to know about you biz bizness, girl. What’s your story?

            • CraftLass

              Basically, did every job I could find in the biz as of my first opportunity after high school. Trained as an audio engineer, I worked for bands, an entertainment lawyer, an indie label, even a major major. Everything from selling merch to secretarial work to editing to a little managing. Then I got sick of it all and left (around the time iTunes was taking off), but by that point I couldn’t help but write lots of songs. Some friends convinced me to go out and play them a few years ago and I found a little nichey success with one in particular. So, now I’m a reluctant musician who knew exactly what I was getting into. lol My fans are awesome, it’s a cliche, but I do it all for them, truly. They may not be many in number but they make up for it by being rock-solid support, on the demanding side (in the good way), and my main source of energy. :-)

              The industry made me seriously depressed. I left almost hating music, which had always been my consistent passion in life. It blows my mind that I’m making it again, but it’s really nice to be doing it in my own way instead of through the old formulas I spent so many years toiling in.

              Holy crap, how did I sum up almost 20 years of my life so quickly and easily? That’s kind of depressing. ;-)

            • monkeyknickers

              Well . . . . at least the last sentence of your bio wasn’t “and then I went to prison on meth charges”.

              :)

              And I totally understand about the fan thing. I mean – people are going to come to your show on a weeknight in Duluth? Or Ames, Iowa? It’s a gift and should be respected. I hate musicians who are so precious that they won’t play their hits or talk to their fans after. Dicks.

              Let’s form a band! We could be the Anti Jive Aces. And do Rage Against the Machine covers. :))

            • CraftLass

              Hahahahahaha!!!! Nah, if I’d gone that route it would never have been meth. I’m already too hyper without it. ;-)

              Rage Against the Jive? Jive Against the Machine? Any which way you slice it, love that idea!

              On a more serious note, yeah, musicians (or anyone in a field where people pay you money to do something you love to do, really) who don’t appreciate fans are the most annoying people, aren’t they? I get those who get really sick of playing a certain song every single damn night (that’s human nature), but I truly don’t understand those who won’t interact with fans at all or even talk down to them. Heck, many of my closest friends were once just fans but when I talked to them they turned out to be some of the coolest people. Maybe I just have extra-high-quality fans (as apparently did all of the bands I used to work for), but they’re generally a whole lot of fun to talk to, too. And being nice makes people want to support you more. Even from a selfish perspective it’s the right thing to do! There is no downside. Sure, there are nights that it’s more chore than fun, but the good nights tend to outnumber those. :-) The vast majority of bands don’t exactly have thousands of people crushing security to meet them, either.

              One of the many reasons I admire Penn and Teller is they hang out with anyone who wants to meet them after every show. They are onstage almost every night and are household names, they don’t have to do it anymore, but they do. With pleasure. Every time. That’s damn cool. :-)

            • WhereIsSHE

              One of my best friends is sort of like the main character from Cameron Crowe’s semi-autobiographical, “Almost Famous”.
              So… I got to meet a lot of bands back when we were in college, ’cause he was cool enough to bring me along.
              Bono was a full-of-himself prick.
              But Exene Cervenka, and John Doe (who chain-smoked in my Celica all the way from the hotel where we picked him up to the venue –some place in Princeton, NJ or Trenton, NJ–), were freaking awesome, not only to us, but also to each other (and they were already split up by that time– mid 80s). (And their show was a million times more raw and beautiful, too.)

            • monkeyknickers

              I love Exene, even tho I had to learn her thru vids and records. I’m so rejoicing in your moment with her.

            • Feather

              Poor little critter on the road……

            • aquaclara

              :)

      • Captain Howdy

        SPF, I’m really starting to worry about you. First Oprah, then “Doctors” Oz and Phil, now Bono.

        Your taste preceptics are seriously degraded.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Lol.. Thanks for worrying.. But my concern arose from the idea of bono lending his fame and influence to co$, not from personal adulation..

          But i do in fact adulate Oprah and both the good doctors..

    • Mark

      Bono’s ego was already too swollen to be contained by a mere Church of $cientology. A Cathedral or Basilica now, that might have been a different matter…

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Does this mean he’ll be performing at the Super Power Cathedral Grand Opening? Damn. I was really hoping for Chill E B and Stacy Francis. Maybe if they put Those two on loud speakers, the Clearwater politicians would Wake the Fk Up!

        • Mark

          Not nearly big enough.

      • Captain Howdy

        Boner and Stink (Sting) were meant for scientology.

        • sugarplumfairy

          I lovvvvvvvvve Sting!

          • Captain Howdy

            Nooooooo!…. John Lydon nicknamed him “Stink”.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              No, cap’n, no. You can Not have our Sting. I’ll trade ‘ya Bono though.

            • WhereIsSHE

              U2 – that’s a band that never should have existed. There’s no life experience in any of their songs.”

              John Lydon

        • 1subgenius

          Sting’s tombstone:
          “Stung”

          • Mark

            Or “Stank”.

  • Captain Howdy

    S̶n̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶O̶i̶l̶ ̶P̶o̶i̶s̶o̶n̶

    N̶a̶r̶c̶o̶n̶o̶n̶

    A Forever Recovery

    There, fixed..all better

    • Missionary Kid

      How about Forever Addicted?

      • Captain Howdy

        I own the ™ on that one.

        • Missionary Kid

          The check’s in the mail.

    • Captain Howdy

      I own the ™ on that one.

  • baddog5623

    Snicker

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    This exceedingly dull looking golf movie is a sterling example of just how powerful and creative Scientology can make YOU. Has there been ANY truly “amazing” product from any cult members lately? Off the top of my head Travolta’s performance in Hairspray is the only recent mainstream success that springs to mind.

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s probably for the Hallmark TV channel, which will make it as plain vanilla as possible. There’s nothing working class about the stories, and they’re basically fairy tales for adults.

      • Captain Howdy

        Scientology/scientologists aesthetic muse IS the Hallmark Channel filming on location in Branson, Missouri with some Space Opera whipping on top.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Also, is it just me, or have we seen a marked decrease in Down Votes lately? Has OSA finally given up? Or is there something more nefarious and, you know, POWERFUL going on behind the scenes? I miss Debbie Downvote.

    • Missionary Kid

      There’s been a lot of downvotes lately, but Theo is the one who attracts them.
      I suspect he gave out a few as well, but if it was him, they weren’t consistent.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I got a downvote yesterday. It made me feel warm and fuzzy!

        • pronoia

          I know. It means that you must’ve made a powerfully enturbulating point!

        • sister wendy

          I like you so much, it just makes me want to give you lots of down votes:)

        • Espiando

          Well, if you want to get downvotes, the easiest ways here are to say that people pay too much attention to what celebutards do, and to call Jesus a pedophile without making it clear that you’re referencing OTVIII. Works for me every time.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            You’re right! It worked!

        • dbloch7986

          Whenever they start reading one of your posts

        • dbloch7986

          When they finish reading your post

        • Missionary Kid

          I think it was Theo. The Bunkerites rewarded him with a bunch back.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        It was Theo’s downvotes yesterday that made me realize we hadn’t seen as many lately. And we all know that he isn’t OSA…

      • Eclipse-girl

        I introduced myself about two weeks ago. I was surprised that an such a post would be down voted. Then a kind person hinted it was a mark of honor.

        • Missionary Kid

          One day, there was either one person with a bunch of different identities, or there were a few $cions that visited together. I got, as I remember it, 4. Someone else got 5. Theo deserved the bunch of downvotes, because he’s such a Indie $ciontard.

        • aquaclara

          a downvote, especially one occurring mid-week, is a badge of honor! It’s usually for stat Thursday, when some helpless (or helpful, depending on your perspective) Scilon is assigned duty over here. We like seeing their interest! :)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Someone’s gotta set up tents and move emeter desks and cans over to the Super Power Building to make it look busy and filled up.

    • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

      Louanne’s in the RPF again.

      • Captain Howdy

        Louanne and vaLLarrr have been in the RPF for the last 5 years. The internet is their RPF posting.

    • Eclipse-girl

      There was a lengthy exchange yesterday with Theo. And there were many down votes.

      • BananaSplits8

        Has there ever been a brief exchange with Theo? ;)

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          BAAAHAAAHAAA. Great point!

        • Eclipse-girl

          I am relatively new here and it was the first time I caught sight of the person. I hope I don’t see him again.

          • Captain Howdy

            Say his name one more time and…

            • Eclipse-girl

              Like “Bloody Mary?” Glad I avoided the curse

            • WhereIsSHE

              More like BEETLEJUICE=(!

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            On slow days it’s kind of a pleasure. It’s that Scientological combination of utter assurance and sheer misinformation that makes the exchange so… exchangeful. There’s almost a zen sense that NOTHING YOU SAY CAN BE WRONG.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Yes, but other than that not so much. Do you suppose they have all been busy ordering ashtrays about?

        • sister wendy

          hahah! See the table, don’t see the table…smoke the cigarette, put the cigarette down… isn’t there another movie we love we can borrow from “Put the candle back!”

          • Nevermore

            Put the bunny back in the box…

            • Espiando

              Put the lotion in the basket…

        • WhereIsSHE

          “STAND UP!!” (lift ashtray off of chair and into the air above it)
          “THANK YOU!”
          “SIT DOWN IN THAT CHAIR!!” (lower ashtray down onto chair)
          “THANK YOU!!”

  • baddog5623

    I would not give two cents for his butt

  • baddog5623

    Sooooonnn

  • Krew13

    I’m curious – are the people in the top ranks of the Sciloons fully aware they’re part of a money making scam? I mean, Miscmidget doesn’t really believe the shit they peddle, does he? Whilst the general membership are brainwashed zombies, are the likes of Karen Kapouw and Tommy Boy Davis congisant of the COS being a profit making racket, or do they actually believe in all the KSW/Teegack/Target Two/Xenu shit?

    It’s obvious Mismidget is insane in terms of being a meglomaniacal psychopath, but I’ve always assumed he doesn’t actually believe any of Hubbard’s garbage and just saw this as a way to get rich and stay rich.

    • filosofa

      Krew13
      “…a way to get rich and stay rich”.

      I wonder if many of the remaining high-ranking wealthy CoS whales and the wannabe-rich and/or famous scilons are motivated by exactly that – spurious financial/professional “wins” and retaining prestige within the incestuous little confines of the cult.

      Others may be like gambling-addicts – they have already invested so much $$$$ in the pot that they are unwilling/unable just to walk away, because with even more effort/time/money/blood that final FABULOUS WIN will be theirs! They simply can’t admit or even let themselves consider that they have been taken for suckers by a “church” of racketeers. Soopah Powahs and The Bridge (to nowhere!) await them…

      Whether they truly believe in the KSW/Teegeack/Target Two/Xenu shit or not is baffling, I agree – the threat of loosing their “eternity”, disconnection and fair-gaming if they leave could be what’s keeping some in line until/unless they develop the sort of courage shown recently by Leah Remini.

      The sea-org and the ordinary “parishioners” may well be brainwashed beyond belief but even some of them appear to be privately questioning what they see and the unbearable stress and suffering many undergo is causing more and more to leave the madness behind them, “blowing” overtly like Leah or just covertly slipping away if they can. They are the lucky ones.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Off the rail here, but otviiiisgrrr8 has helped explain DaviD Miscavige’s new Reject Policy at Flag. Remember, if you see or hear a scientologist acting or sounding Delusional, report them immediately to Ethics Officer at Flag Services Organization, 503 Cleveland St, Clearwater, FL 33755

    David Miscavige is counting on You.

    Do It For Dave!

    http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2013/08/21/cob-rtc-david-miscavige-policy-on-flag-rejects/

    • Lark Smith

      They will be dealing with KR’s for months in that case. Well, if they recognize acting and sounding delusional. That’s a big IF.

  • Eclipse-girl

    Can we please see some of the evidence that Per claims to have? If there is “Native American based” therapies, which first nation culture is is based on? There are hundreds of them, each with their own culture.

    • ze moo

      I prefer the Finnish variation of the therapy. First take large amounts of Vodka and barbecued reindeer. Go to sauna and sweat the vodka out. Simple and easy. Time is what gets the Vodka out, not the heat….

      • sister wendy

        yes! We’ve done this…it’s a blast!

    • sister wendy

      unless he is hiring people from a native tribe or shaman practitioners, I would really doubt this is Native American Based…unless they all go and take peyote;)

  • Cat Daddy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweat_lodge

    “The sweat lodge or sweat house (also called purification ceremony, ceremonial sauna, or simply sweat) is a ceremonial or ritual event in some cultures, particularly among some North American First Nations, Native American, Scandinavian, Baltic and Eastern European cultures. There are several styles of structures used in different cultures; these include a domed or oblong hut similar to a wickiup,
    a permanent structure made of wood or stone, or even a simple hole dug
    into the ground and covered with planks or tree trunks. Stones are
    typically heated and then water poured over them to create steam. In
    ceremonial usage, these ritual actions are accompanied by traditional
    prayers and songs.”

    • Eclipse-girl

      Is there a culture where one sits in them 5 hr + a day and takes increasing doses of Niacin?

      • Otto T Mariedahl

        A Finn might sit in a sauna for 5+ hours but they don’t trip out on vitamin C.

        They do sensible things like like smack themselves with birch twigs and hate Swedish people.*

        *All this is coming from a Swed so take it with a fist of salt ;)

        • RMycroft

          Niacin is vitamin B3, not C. A pity because you’d have to eat an awful lot of C to hurt yourself.

          • Otto T Mariedahl

            Oh, mah bad. I guess I goofed the floof on that point.

            Thanks for the correction.

          • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

            Look how much Linus Pauling took, it’s a wonder his kidneys didn’t run away and join the French Foreign Legion.

        • sister wendy

          in any case, both B and C are water soluble vitamins (you pee the excess out) It’s really hard to take too much and hurt yourself with either of those 2…

          • Eclipse-girl

            I thought there were some people who claimed liver damage from too much Niacin. Not being a health care professional or nutritionist, I do not know if ever increasing amounts of Niacin can be dangerous.

            • sister wendy

              well- this is possible. But it is very rare. Probably there was something else going on in the body for it to respond this way. Normally, you could actually take extra niacin and most people wouldn’t have such a severe reaction.You have to take high doses for a prolonged period of time usually for this to happen. And if you’re a smarty-pants with vitamins and take an entire B-complex with the B3, you reduce any chance of side effects greatly. I’m a mega-doser with vitamins and have always had good luck with this approach, myself. I don’t think it’s for everyone, and I certainly don’t think people should be talked into this- it needs to be right for the person, and personally, I would recommend a really good nutritionist (not a scientologist;) when fussing around with this. I find the people complaining of niacin issues to either have not been watched correctly (entirely possible), having underlying issues that weren’t disclosed or understood, did the purif for wayyyyy too long or didn’t take any other supplements. I do think the FDA has ridiculously low numbers, in my experience you can take much higher doses than they recommend. When I did the purif, I made sure I was mega-dosing on the entire B-complex. I had no problems, but I’d also been flushing with niacin before, years before I ever became a scientologist. I can’t imagine recommending mega doses to young children or people with medical conditions….

  • Krew13

    Didn’t Top Gun say he’s personally helped people get off drugs? What a lulzy dick. Was that with his superpowers or making them sit through Knight & Day on a loop till they killed themselves, which would count as getting off drugs as they wouldn’t be able to do them anymore.

  • ze moo

    From the Penfield lawyers reply to Per.

    “Plaintiffs’ taking and substantive due process claims fail because the claims are unripe and inadequately pled.”

    Translation: You haven’t used all administrative appeals and procedures and you can’t formulate a coherent sentence. And your mother dresses you funny.

    I would hope that Michigan could put together reasonable oversight on rehabs. If Oklahoma can do it, why not Michigan??

    Using drug and alcohol rehabilitation ‘tech’ from a tomato torturing clown can’t end well.

    • Captain Howdy

      I think Michigan needs to appoint a rehab “czar”

      I nominate native son, Iggy Pop.

      • Lark Smith

        I love Iggy- he is such a freakin mess, but does it so well.

    • Nevermore

      Jings, that face would scare a cat!

      • ze moo

        ‘Give up your evil thetans you entubulated tomato. Why can’t I see what’s going on??? Oh, I am holding the meter in such a way that I cannot see the needle. I am a schmuck”.

      • Mark

        “I hope the King of the Tomatoes comes and gets you in the night, you fat-faced meatbag.”

        • ze moo

          And thus, Lroon earned the eternal hatred of the now ‘Killer Tomatoes’.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYt0dpeyAU8

        • aquaclara

          thank you for the great line. this is noteworthy. Bring it back often, ok?

    • Poison Ivy

      Speaking of “unripe”….

    • aquaclara

      Unripe is now my new favorite legal expression!

  • California

    No matter what Per calls it, any rehab facility in the country now has to meet the stringent requirements of the federal and state SAMHSA (Substance Abuse Mental Health Services Administration) and Narconon cannot, if it is configured to be in conformity to LRH policies.

    Law-suits such as Per is doing draws even more attention to the deficits of Narconon Drug Rehab.

    • Snippy_X

      I wish this were true, but it isn’t:

      “any rehab facility in the country now has to meet the stringent requirements of the federal and state SAMHSA”

      If it were, all U.S. Narconons would be shut down already. because they are nowhere close to meeting SAMSHA guidelines.

      • California

        Snippy, everything takes time. I posted about the large FBI investigation into substance abuse rehab Med-Care fraud here a couple of weeks ago in California… no they did not tell us the names of the facilities. But SAMHSA is working closely with other agencies to stop the abuses and it all takes time.

        IF you have personal knowledge of any financial and other abuses in any substance abuse rehab facilities, please contact SAMHSA at the federal level, find out who to contact at the state level and, if insurance company Medi-Care Fraud is involved, contact the FBI. All the agencies need accounts of actual facilities violating the laws/rules/regs.

    • aquaclara

      I hope so. I do hope so. I missed today, and now I am two blogs behind. Just chiming in here for the record that the NN stuff, and the work that Per is doing is a crime. I hope the town wins their case.

  • Xique

    Tony, have fun tonight!

    • sister wendy

      yes!

  • TonyOrtega

    Big story coming to the blog as soon as I can put it together. Brace for impact.

    • monkeyknickers

      I hope it involves someone bringing me some damn snacks. I’m starving.

      But I’ll take it as is, of course.

      :)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’ve got snacks, come on over. I’m hoping for something to do with Leah Remini and lawyers (hers).

        • monkeyknickers

          What KIND of healthy snacks??? :)

          I have wheels you know, THDNE. Don’t make promises you can’t keep.

          :)

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Batteries to Power and Turbines to Speed…

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Tease!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      [http://i44.tinypic.com/2zs02n5.jpg

  • dbloch7986

    This is how I feel for all of you who are victims of Downvote Danny

    • Missionary Kid

      Actually, I wear it with pride, just like I do the term wog. here.

      I got a bunch of downvotes on one of my earliest posts, but I deserved it. It was a learning experience. Now, I double check what I wrote. Somebody doesn’t like my lists, and that’s O.K.

  • Nevermore

    New story is up – and it’s a belter!

  • Mark

    One of Wickstrom’s “Native American” remedies?

  • wannabeclear

    I’ll see you tonight!

  • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

    Wickstrom should take heart i the evidence being amassed at http://narcononreviews.net/ if he is really into “evidence-based” treatments.

    And good for us that Brian Seymor is doing more. Not so good for OSA, but – hey – not every Thursday can be a good one when slaving away for David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige, trying to make positive press for the criminal organisation and trying to deflect from the question

    W H E R E _ I S _ S H E L L Y ?

  • Mary_McConnell

    Per Wickstrom isn’t getting away from Narconon, he’s right in bed with them,. He’s just figured out how to better market his programs with lies, all the while running a Narconon program. Let’s not forget, he was the master marketer of the 76% success rate for Narconon when he ran Narconon Stone Hawk and began the infiltration of the internet with fake referral websites. And lets not forget that he owns and runs the infamous unbranded Narconon called Best Drug Rehabilitation Center where Amber Bullins died last year, where the Narconon program components are used as well. He’s the one who has sued, unsuccessfully, 6 people for supposedly writing bad reviews of Best Drug Rehabilitation Center on ripoffreport.com.

    He’s also a Gold Meritorious Patron of the IAS, pouring his bucks back into the cult http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php?topic=12004.0

    Per has a thing about self entitlement, a narcissistic trait that goes hand in hand with the rest of his personality. This lawsuit is frivolous, just like the 6 defamation lawsuits he lost.

  • Feather

    Per Wickstrom looks like a 1950’s used car salesman. Is that intentional? Oh, or a TV evangelist. Yeah, I think that combo IS intentional.