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	Comments on: Garcia case update: Has Judge Whittemore managed to fill a Scientology arbitrating panel?	</title>
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		By: Bert Allen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bert Allen]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1941930&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

I have not read parts 1 and 2, but I plan to on my vacation in November.  But I am aware of LRH endorsing the R2-45 solution and his denigrating enemies as SPs, which qualified them for any attack including death.  But in my experience your posted Order is the only time he linked specific people identified as SPs and specifically authorized murder.  

And even in the Order he was careful not to order that they be found and shot, but only that they be shot with a .45 caliber pistol if a COS member encountered them by chance.  Since it was very unlikely that any member would be carrying a .45 when such an encounter occurred, a shooting was actually very unlikely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1941930">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>I have not read parts 1 and 2, but I plan to on my vacation in November.  But I am aware of LRH endorsing the R2-45 solution and his denigrating enemies as SPs, which qualified them for any attack including death.  But in my experience your posted Order is the only time he linked specific people identified as SPs and specifically authorized murder.  </p>
<p>And even in the Order he was careful not to order that they be found and shot, but only that they be shot with a .45 caliber pistol if a COS member encountered them by chance.  Since it was very unlikely that any member would be carrying a .45 when such an encounter occurred, a shooting was actually very unlikely.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2017 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1941867&quot;&gt;Bert Allen&lt;/a&gt;.

That was just for some Sea Org members as an order for them by the way, so we are not supposed to see it by the way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1941867">Bert Allen</a>.</p>
<p>That was just for some Sea Org members as an order for them by the way, so we are not supposed to see it by the way.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2017 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1941867&quot;&gt;Bert Allen&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks. I must emphasize a couple things.

This information is usually never seen by Scientologists while they are in the cult. Only certain Sea Org members saw that order as far as I am aware of.

Second, there are plenty of other references in which Hubbard less openly calls for murder, in many he describes his enemies as low toned SPs and less than other beings and dedicated to evil. He casts critics, press etc. as being the source of tremendous evil and  being appropriate to remove quietly and without sorrow. Which he spells out clearly as murder in several places, but as a kind of general description for SPs and low tones as he calls his scapegoats.

If you have not read Why Lying and Murder are Justified in Scientology part 1 and 2.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1941867">Bert Allen</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks. I must emphasize a couple things.</p>
<p>This information is usually never seen by Scientologists while they are in the cult. Only certain Sea Org members saw that order as far as I am aware of.</p>
<p>Second, there are plenty of other references in which Hubbard less openly calls for murder, in many he describes his enemies as low toned SPs and less than other beings and dedicated to evil. He casts critics, press etc. as being the source of tremendous evil and  being appropriate to remove quietly and without sorrow. Which he spells out clearly as murder in several places, but as a kind of general description for SPs and low tones as he calls his scapegoats.</p>
<p>If you have not read Why Lying and Murder are Justified in Scientology part 1 and 2.</p>
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		By: Bert Allen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bert Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2017 01:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1935669&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Just read your blog post. Very powerful. As a never in, I had never seen a Hubbard order to every COS member to kill anyone before.  But that first order re named suppressives was very direct.  If you come into contact with any of these people use R2-45, which I do know means put two .45 caliber slugs in their head.  Wow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1935669">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>Just read your blog post. Very powerful. As a never in, I had never seen a Hubbard order to every COS member to kill anyone before.  But that first order re named suppressives was very direct.  If you come into contact with any of these people use R2-45, which I do know means put two .45 caliber slugs in their head.  Wow.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1938782&quot;&gt;janedoe2&lt;/a&gt;.

You are welcome Jane.. I remember exactly when it happened and I was at home screamin..&quot; YES! &quot; 

Oh absolutely.. GAH xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1938782">janedoe2</a>.</p>
<p>You are welcome Jane.. I remember exactly when it happened and I was at home screamin..&#8221; YES! &#8221; </p>
<p>Oh absolutely.. GAH xo</p>
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		By: janedoe2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[janedoe2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1938377&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the info, Baby.  It makes sense.  I was going to do a double take if it had been Marty that banned her.  He needs her to polish his apples and etc.]]></description>
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<p>Thanks for the info, Baby.  It makes sense.  I was going to do a double take if it had been Marty that banned her.  He needs her to polish his apples and etc.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2017 12:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1938153&quot;&gt;janedoe2&lt;/a&gt;.

Jane.. She was banned on Tony&#039;s site.. She&#039;ll never be banned from Marty&#039;s she is the main kiss asser. 

I was posting at the time she got banned here. 

http://tonyortega.org/2014/10/15/a-perplexing-tale-about-bob-duggan-the-richest-scientologist-in-the-world/

Tony Ortega Mod  Frodis73 • 3 years ago
Oracle has proved to be an awful person. I&#039;m not putting up with personal attacks today.
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Banned.  But her comment that got her banned was deleted.  She was sticking up for Duggans and them sending their child away..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1938153">janedoe2</a>.</p>
<p>Jane.. She was banned on Tony&#8217;s site.. She&#8217;ll never be banned from Marty&#8217;s she is the main kiss asser. </p>
<p>I was posting at the time she got banned here. </p>
<p><a href="http://tonyortega.org/2014/10/15/a-perplexing-tale-about-bob-duggan-the-richest-scientologist-in-the-world/" rel="ugc">http://tonyortega.org/2014/10/15/a-perplexing-tale-about-bob-duggan-the-richest-scientologist-in-the-world/</a></p>
<p>Tony Ortega Mod  Frodis73 • 3 years ago<br />
Oracle has proved to be an awful person. I&#8217;m not putting up with personal attacks today.<br />
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<p>Banned.  But her comment that got her banned was deleted.  She was sticking up for Duggans and them sending their child away..</p>
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		By: janedoe2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[janedoe2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2017 02:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1933576&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

Baby, was Oracle banned on Marty&#039;s site?  If so, why?  Or was she banned on Tony&#039;s site?]]></description>
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<p>Baby, was Oracle banned on Marty&#8217;s site?  If so, why?  Or was she banned on Tony&#8217;s site?</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1932639&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Why Lying and Murder are Justified in Scientology part 3

http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2016/04/why-lying-and-murder-are-justified-in.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1932639">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>Why Lying and Murder are Justified in Scientology part 3</p>
<p><a href="http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2016/04/why-lying-and-murder-are-justified-in.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2016/04/why-lying-and-murder-are-justified-in.html</a></p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/12/garcia-case-update-has-judge-whittemore-managed-to-fill-a-scientology-arbitrating-panel/comment-page-1/#comment-1933718&quot;&gt;Newiga&lt;/a&gt;.

Well look at you!  Wow.. If it wasn&#039;t so hot here I would at least be walking more.. But I&#039;m basically lazy.  Ha.. How fun though for you!]]></description>
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<p>Well look at you!  Wow.. If it wasn&#8217;t so hot here I would at least be walking more.. But I&#8217;m basically lazy.  Ha.. How fun though for you!</p>
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