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		By: rayne troika sheep troll		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rayne troika sheep troll]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[certainly they can find qualified faux finishers among the millions of members worldwide...

(also found it ironic that they would have to advertise for actors... again... with millions of members, mathematically it would seem impossible NOT to have many actors who are members)

sorry, feeling a bit snarky today...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>certainly they can find qualified faux finishers among the millions of members worldwide&#8230;</p>
<p>(also found it ironic that they would have to advertise for actors&#8230; again&#8230; with millions of members, mathematically it would seem impossible NOT to have many actors who are members)</p>
<p>sorry, feeling a bit snarky today&#8230;</p>
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		By: BeeTee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BeeTee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2017 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/05/an-unusual-scientology-advertisement-leads-to-new-intel-on-secretive-int-base/comment-page-2/#comment-1930408&quot;&gt;jimpjorps&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the reply.  I think those theatrical &quot;events&quot; are a fascinating part of the Scientology story.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/05/an-unusual-scientology-advertisement-leads-to-new-intel-on-secretive-int-base/comment-page-2/#comment-1930408">jimpjorps</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply.  I think those theatrical &#8220;events&#8221; are a fascinating part of the Scientology story.</p>
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		By: jimpjorps		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jimpjorps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2017 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/05/an-unusual-scientology-advertisement-leads-to-new-intel-on-secretive-int-base/comment-page-2/#comment-1928102&quot;&gt;BeeTee&lt;/a&gt;.

They still do some pretty ambitious set design for live events like the Birthday Game and the New Years&#039; celebration.  I imagine they&#039;re even more interested in trompe l&#039;oeil sets like that one now that they&#039;re forced to make a shrinking population look grander every year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/05/an-unusual-scientology-advertisement-leads-to-new-intel-on-secretive-int-base/comment-page-2/#comment-1928102">BeeTee</a>.</p>
<p>They still do some pretty ambitious set design for live events like the Birthday Game and the New Years&#8217; celebration.  I imagine they&#8217;re even more interested in trompe l&#8217;oeil sets like that one now that they&#8217;re forced to make a shrinking population look grander every year.</p>
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		By: BeeTee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BeeTee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2017 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many years ago, mid-nineties, I (a &quot;never-in&quot;) slipped into a Scientology &quot;Auditor&#039;s Day&quot; ceremony at the Shrine auditorium.  If memory serves, the stage was set with faux-marble columns in a sort of trick-perspective arrangement to make the stage seem deep, grand and classical (the columns were of Greek or ancient Roman style).  Surely some faux-marble set painting was involved.  Does Scientology do that sort of live theatrical production anymore, or would the set painting be limited to video backdrops?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many years ago, mid-nineties, I (a &#8220;never-in&#8221;) slipped into a Scientology &#8220;Auditor&#8217;s Day&#8221; ceremony at the Shrine auditorium.  If memory serves, the stage was set with faux-marble columns in a sort of trick-perspective arrangement to make the stage seem deep, grand and classical (the columns were of Greek or ancient Roman style).  Surely some faux-marble set painting was involved.  Does Scientology do that sort of live theatrical production anymore, or would the set painting be limited to video backdrops?</p>
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		By: janedoe2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[janedoe2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2017 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/05/an-unusual-scientology-advertisement-leads-to-new-intel-on-secretive-int-base/comment-page-1/#comment-1926743&quot;&gt;Graham&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe it is faux everything so as to save money on buying real marble, real wood, real granite.  Maybe money is now an issue?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/05/an-unusual-scientology-advertisement-leads-to-new-intel-on-secretive-int-base/comment-page-1/#comment-1926743">Graham</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe it is faux everything so as to save money on buying real marble, real wood, real granite.  Maybe money is now an issue?</p>
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		By: janedoe2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[janedoe2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2017 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How long has Heber Jenztch been in the Hole?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long has Heber Jenztch been in the Hole?</p>
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		By: Bert Allen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bert Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2017 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know this is extremely unlikely, but the following thought jumped into my head while reading this story.  Things have gotten so bad for the COS that Miscavige has ordered a super secret program to train Sea Org members in set production, so he can film fake Ideal Org facilities to play for the faithful during the big extravaganzas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is extremely unlikely, but the following thought jumped into my head while reading this story.  Things have gotten so bad for the COS that Miscavige has ordered a super secret program to train Sea Org members in set production, so he can film fake Ideal Org facilities to play for the faithful during the big extravaganzas.</p>
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		By: Elizabeth Lavet		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elizabeth Lavet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2017 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/05/an-unusual-scientology-advertisement-leads-to-new-intel-on-secretive-int-base/comment-page-2/#comment-1927709&quot;&gt;Lliira&lt;/a&gt;.

A person would have to be dead to not be productive - my opinion.  The main point is getting out seems to be totally arbitrary and based on the whim of a person or people or the specific need of that person else where.  I have heard of people taken out to perform some service and then sent back to the hole.  It seems to me the key to these people getting out is to find their own self worth above and beyond anything else.  At some point they must realize they are being terribly abused or just stay totally shut down following the system that may never &quot;let&quot; them out - as there is NOOOO time frame to let them out.  The comment on productivity was to point out that the higher up in Scientology seem to be shoot themselves in their foot because their need for power? or what, there seems to be no clear reason for losing the services of these people because the desired change of these people is unclear and point of exit is arbitrary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/05/an-unusual-scientology-advertisement-leads-to-new-intel-on-secretive-int-base/comment-page-2/#comment-1927709">Lliira</a>.</p>
<p>A person would have to be dead to not be productive &#8211; my opinion.  The main point is getting out seems to be totally arbitrary and based on the whim of a person or people or the specific need of that person else where.  I have heard of people taken out to perform some service and then sent back to the hole.  It seems to me the key to these people getting out is to find their own self worth above and beyond anything else.  At some point they must realize they are being terribly abused or just stay totally shut down following the system that may never &#8220;let&#8221; them out &#8211; as there is NOOOO time frame to let them out.  The comment on productivity was to point out that the higher up in Scientology seem to be shoot themselves in their foot because their need for power? or what, there seems to be no clear reason for losing the services of these people because the desired change of these people is unclear and point of exit is arbitrary.</p>
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		By: Lliira		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lliira]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2017 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Any group that claims the world outside of them is terrifying: run. Get away from them as fast as your little feet can carry you. No matter their religion, purported morals, politics, or anything else. They are ALWAYS using you and they are ALWAYS lying. You can&#039;t save most of those trapped inside the group by sticking around, either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any group that claims the world outside of them is terrifying: run. Get away from them as fast as your little feet can carry you. No matter their religion, purported morals, politics, or anything else. They are ALWAYS using you and they are ALWAYS lying. You can&#8217;t save most of those trapped inside the group by sticking around, either.</p>
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		By: Lliira		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lliira]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2017 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/05/an-unusual-scientology-advertisement-leads-to-new-intel-on-secretive-int-base/comment-page-2/#comment-1927478&quot;&gt;Elizabeth Lavet&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s a strange way of putting it. Would it be acceptable to put people who weren&#039;t &quot;productive&quot; in the hole?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/05/an-unusual-scientology-advertisement-leads-to-new-intel-on-secretive-int-base/comment-page-2/#comment-1927478">Elizabeth Lavet</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a strange way of putting it. Would it be acceptable to put people who weren&#8217;t &#8220;productive&#8221; in the hole?</p>
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