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	Comments on: Scientology and the Spoonbenders: Jon Atack on a previously unpublished Ingo Swann essay	</title>
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		By: mockingbird		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-1906797&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t think that at some point you can reject the physical for the metaphor.  

The studies in psychology that found certain biases to be irreducible by education,  or at least support the hypothesis have not been discredited.]]></description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t think that at some point you can reject the physical for the metaphor.  </p>
<p>The studies in psychology that found certain biases to be irreducible by education,  or at least support the hypothesis have not been discredited.</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2017 10:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-1906681&quot;&gt;mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Your brain is actually very &#039;plastic&#039; and adaptable. If it were that rigid, people who suffer minor strokes, whose brains make new connections which compensate for the damage would never recover as they do. 

That kind of thinking is rather reductionist. &#039;Loyalty&#039; to ideas, and resistance to change is best explained at a social-psychological, not a physical level.]]></description>
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<p>Your brain is actually very &#8216;plastic&#8217; and adaptable. If it were that rigid, people who suffer minor strokes, whose brains make new connections which compensate for the damage would never recover as they do. </p>
<p>That kind of thinking is rather reductionist. &#8216;Loyalty&#8217; to ideas, and resistance to change is best explained at a social-psychological, not a physical level.</p>
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		By: mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2017 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-2/#comment-1904066&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t think he knew or expressed everything on this topic but his points have some merit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-2/#comment-1904066">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he knew or expressed everything on this topic but his points have some merit.</p>
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		By: mockingbird		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2017 02:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-1904073&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

Hmm. I think in experiments in psychology it was found that even going to great efforts to educate people on certain things like transference cannot stop transference from occurring. In several experiments the psychologists were extremely surprised to find education is not able to overcome certain biases. 

I think that makes sense if you consider that actual physical structures underlie our thinking and are not easily changed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-1904073">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>Hmm. I think in experiments in psychology it was found that even going to great efforts to educate people on certain things like transference cannot stop transference from occurring. In several experiments the psychologists were extremely surprised to find education is not able to overcome certain biases. </p>
<p>I think that makes sense if you consider that actual physical structures underlie our thinking and are not easily changed.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 10:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-2/#comment-1903993&quot;&gt;Lily2&lt;/a&gt;.

You never have to worry about time around this joint.. answer or no answer.. We just carry on.. 

Well thank you... Mini rant?  I love it.. You just keep comin around Lily! xo]]></description>
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<p>You never have to worry about time around this joint.. answer or no answer.. We just carry on.. </p>
<p>Well thank you&#8230; Mini rant?  I love it.. You just keep comin around Lily! xo</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 07:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-1902479&quot;&gt;mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

And  tools like  experiment, scientific method and per review to counter that tendency. These include knowledge of cognitive biases - which would not be knowledge if it did not give us the insight needed to avoid falling prey to them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-1902479">mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>And  tools like  experiment, scientific method and per review to counter that tendency. These include knowledge of cognitive biases &#8211; which would not be knowledge if it did not give us the insight needed to avoid falling prey to them.</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 06:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-2/#comment-1902489&quot;&gt;mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

The philosopher Karl Popper would call this  &#039;Unfalsifiable&#039; (AKA &#039;not even wrong&#039;).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-2/#comment-1902489">mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>The philosopher Karl Popper would call this  &#8216;Unfalsifiable&#8217; (AKA &#8216;not even wrong&#8217;).</p>
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		By: Lily2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lily2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-2/#comment-1899506&quot;&gt;Puget Buckeye&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Puget Buckeye, love the name and avi. I appreciate your kind welcome and I will be not afraid Puget Buckeye!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-2/#comment-1899506">Puget Buckeye</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you Puget Buckeye, love the name and avi. I appreciate your kind welcome and I will be not afraid Puget Buckeye!!</p>
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		By: Lily2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lily2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 04:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-2/#comment-1899508&quot;&gt;Liberated&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Liberated and I appreciate the response.   Im looking forward to adding another voice, after lurking for so long. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-2/#comment-1899508">Liberated</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you Liberated and I appreciate the response.   Im looking forward to adding another voice, after lurking for so long. 🙂</p>
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		By: Lily2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lily2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 04:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-2/#comment-1899523&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey Baby, apologies for the slow response. Thank you for the response and comment, your avi makes me smile every time. 😉  I&#039;m getting braver, I even posted a mini rant earlier!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/scientology-and-the-spoonbenders-jon-atack-on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/comment-page-2/#comment-1899523">Baby</a>.</p>
<p>Hey Baby, apologies for the slow response. Thank you for the response and comment, your avi makes me smile every time. 😉  I&#8217;m getting braver, I even posted a mini rant earlier!</p>
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