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		By: Scientology		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scientology]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2017 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Still wonder where about where the other images came from
 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/11bd1725bf11b883ef68f5c6be1e05aecc348e4c284b7a2e25d64c19f45d6f6e.png 
Maybe the other side of the street can give some reflection? To some one?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still wonder where about where the other images came from<br />
 <a href="https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/11bd1725bf11b883ef68f5c6be1e05aecc348e4c284b7a2e25d64c19f45d6f6e.png" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/11bd1725bf11b883ef68f5c6be1e05aecc348e4c284b7a2e25d64c19f45d6f6e.png</a><br />
Maybe the other side of the street can give some reflection? To some one?</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-2/#comment-1900543&quot;&gt;Jenyfurrrrr&lt;/a&gt;.

Shit.. something you just don&#039;t need now.. ugh.. It&#039;s about as bad as Mac telling me we need a new roof.. PUKE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-2/#comment-1900543">Jenyfurrrrr</a>.</p>
<p>Shit.. something you just don&#8217;t need now.. ugh.. It&#8217;s about as bad as Mac telling me we need a new roof.. PUKE</p>
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		By: Jenyfurrrrr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenyfurrrrr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-2/#comment-1897038&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

Lol NO kidding! I&#039;d post the pic here but my license plate (now pushed into the radiator in the space between grill &#038; bumper 😭) is quite visible. Plus you just saw in Denver the result of his other accident. Sigh!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-2/#comment-1897038">Baby</a>.</p>
<p>Lol NO kidding! I&#8217;d post the pic here but my license plate (now pushed into the radiator in the space between grill &amp; bumper 😭) is quite visible. Plus you just saw in Denver the result of his other accident. Sigh!</p>
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		By: Yo!Noid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yo!Noid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My home has been broken into and things stolen.  Its pretty shitty.]]></description>
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		By: FredEX2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FredEX2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2017 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-2/#comment-1893927&quot;&gt;J. Swift&lt;/a&gt;.

I wish I could upvote a thousand times what you have said. Marty Rathbun has done more damage to Scientology than any other single person telling their story could ever do. He was in charge of the criminal actions towards many innocent people he deemed potential &#039;enemies&#039;...that he and his merry band of criminals sought to destroy. He was the one who had to bring these supposed &#039;enemies&#039; of Scientology to David Miscaviges attention and seek permission to Fair Game and destroy these many lives....including my own...eventually not just turning so many who were never &#039;enemies&#039;...into being that very thing when they survived and found that somehow they were on the &#039;wrong side&#039; of an Organization that was trying to destroy their lives....and for WHAT?...at the pleasure of Marty Rathbun...a Sociopath and remorseless criminal to his core. 

Marty Rathbun interpreted Scientology and defined it his own way...both while in...and while he was &#039;out&#039;. He carried out the worst of &#039;Scientology&#039;s policies&#039; with great relish. He absolutely knows where the bodies are buried bc he buried some of them himself. If ever someone had dirt...and blood on his hands...it would be Mark &#039;Marty&#039; Rathbun...who was also in charge of the &#039;mission&#039; to destroy my life and harm my son..and in doing so...as well as combined with all his other nefarious actions and atrocities...has changed the course of not just many  lives...but his own bad judgement and actions in the end have been bringing Scientology down in a trickle that&#039;s now become an unstoppable force. The dam has broken...and IMHO...Marty swung one of the biggest blows. He defines a 1.1 and his lack of mercy or remorse towards others for all the damage he has done has now...at last..finally caught up to him. 

No one does betrayal quite as spectacularly or as thoroughly as Mark &#039;Marty&#039; Rathbun. He was the enforcer of destruction for half of his life and has become the biggest enemy of all time to himself...his little family ( if he still has one )...and to David Miscavige &#038; Scientology. Tho it was destined to implode eventually...Marty has hastened its finality.  

Marty Rathbun truly IS the Benedict Arnold of this lifetime...and if there really is such a thing as reincarnation...it&#039;s possible Marty was the original traitor Benedict Arnold of past history...and Judas as well. He sold out Scientology and he sold out those he pretended to &#039;help&#039; and now not only makes himself look like a fool...but the entire organization of Scientology too . I hope it was worth the 30 pieces of silver to sell his soul. To those few hangers on who feel sorry for Marty...they look mighty stupid doing so, but if they want to jump on his sinking ship with their misplaced &#039;sympathy&#039; for a remorseless man who destroyed SO many lives and relished it...so be it...they&#039;d do better to back away and allow this treacherous traitor of an anti-social destructive man his well deserved Karma...it would be merciful to let Marty&#039;s Karma take its course at this point. And I say that with compassion. By seeking to destroy others...HE has effectively delivered the biggest blow to destroying  himself...and  helped to cause the downfall of Scientology. For that we can thank him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-2/#comment-1893927">J. Swift</a>.</p>
<p>I wish I could upvote a thousand times what you have said. Marty Rathbun has done more damage to Scientology than any other single person telling their story could ever do. He was in charge of the criminal actions towards many innocent people he deemed potential &#8216;enemies&#8217;&#8230;that he and his merry band of criminals sought to destroy. He was the one who had to bring these supposed &#8216;enemies&#8217; of Scientology to David Miscaviges attention and seek permission to Fair Game and destroy these many lives&#8230;.including my own&#8230;eventually not just turning so many who were never &#8216;enemies&#8217;&#8230;into being that very thing when they survived and found that somehow they were on the &#8216;wrong side&#8217; of an Organization that was trying to destroy their lives&#8230;.and for WHAT?&#8230;at the pleasure of Marty Rathbun&#8230;a Sociopath and remorseless criminal to his core. </p>
<p>Marty Rathbun interpreted Scientology and defined it his own way&#8230;both while in&#8230;and while he was &#8216;out&#8217;. He carried out the worst of &#8216;Scientology&#8217;s policies&#8217; with great relish. He absolutely knows where the bodies are buried bc he buried some of them himself. If ever someone had dirt&#8230;and blood on his hands&#8230;it would be Mark &#8216;Marty&#8217; Rathbun&#8230;who was also in charge of the &#8216;mission&#8217; to destroy my life and harm my son..and in doing so&#8230;as well as combined with all his other nefarious actions and atrocities&#8230;has changed the course of not just many  lives&#8230;but his own bad judgement and actions in the end have been bringing Scientology down in a trickle that&#8217;s now become an unstoppable force. The dam has broken&#8230;and IMHO&#8230;Marty swung one of the biggest blows. He defines a 1.1 and his lack of mercy or remorse towards others for all the damage he has done has now&#8230;at last..finally caught up to him. </p>
<p>No one does betrayal quite as spectacularly or as thoroughly as Mark &#8216;Marty&#8217; Rathbun. He was the enforcer of destruction for half of his life and has become the biggest enemy of all time to himself&#8230;his little family ( if he still has one )&#8230;and to David Miscavige &amp; Scientology. Tho it was destined to implode eventually&#8230;Marty has hastened its finality.  </p>
<p>Marty Rathbun truly IS the Benedict Arnold of this lifetime&#8230;and if there really is such a thing as reincarnation&#8230;it&#8217;s possible Marty was the original traitor Benedict Arnold of past history&#8230;and Judas as well. He sold out Scientology and he sold out those he pretended to &#8216;help&#8217; and now not only makes himself look like a fool&#8230;but the entire organization of Scientology too . I hope it was worth the 30 pieces of silver to sell his soul. To those few hangers on who feel sorry for Marty&#8230;they look mighty stupid doing so, but if they want to jump on his sinking ship with their misplaced &#8216;sympathy&#8217; for a remorseless man who destroyed SO many lives and relished it&#8230;so be it&#8230;they&#8217;d do better to back away and allow this treacherous traitor of an anti-social destructive man his well deserved Karma&#8230;it would be merciful to let Marty&#8217;s Karma take its course at this point. And I say that with compassion. By seeking to destroy others&#8230;HE has effectively delivered the biggest blow to destroying  himself&#8230;and  helped to cause the downfall of Scientology. For that we can thank him.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2017 14:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-2/#comment-1896600&quot;&gt;Jenyfurrrrr&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh Good.. 

Ugh..I hate spending $ on a car!  Think of how much Vodka that would buy.. sigh..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-2/#comment-1896600">Jenyfurrrrr</a>.</p>
<p>Oh Good.. </p>
<p>Ugh..I hate spending $ on a car!  Think of how much Vodka that would buy.. sigh..</p>
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		By: Jenyfurrrrr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenyfurrrrr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2017 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-2/#comment-1895699&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

Thankfully he&#039;s ok - my car? Not so much, so far we&#039;re replacing bumper, grill &#038; radiator and hopefully the hood can be repaired. She ain&#039;t pretty right now, that&#039;s for sure! 😭🤣😓]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-2/#comment-1895699">Baby</a>.</p>
<p>Thankfully he&#8217;s ok &#8211; my car? Not so much, so far we&#8217;re replacing bumper, grill &amp; radiator and hopefully the hood can be repaired. She ain&#8217;t pretty right now, that&#8217;s for sure! 😭🤣😓</p>
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		By: Harpoona Frittata		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harpoona Frittata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2017 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-1/#comment-1896180&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot; Scientology is a system of perhaps unique impairment of critical 
thinking and forming, expressing and reflecting on our own ideas is to a
 degree the opposite of Scientology.&quot;

I agree with you there, and with Jon as well, who described $cn as the most sophisticated system of mind control/ thought reform that&#039;s ever existed.

To me, it&#039;s the internalization of external controls which, in toto, create what Wright so aptly described as the &quot;prison of belief&quot; that these poor zombified  $cilons have been conditioned to hold themselves captive within.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-1/#comment-1896180">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>&#8221; Scientology is a system of perhaps unique impairment of critical<br />
thinking and forming, expressing and reflecting on our own ideas is to a<br />
 degree the opposite of Scientology.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with you there, and with Jon as well, who described $cn as the most sophisticated system of mind control/ thought reform that&#8217;s ever existed.</p>
<p>To me, it&#8217;s the internalization of external controls which, in toto, create what Wright so aptly described as the &#8220;prison of belief&#8221; that these poor zombified  $cilons have been conditioned to hold themselves captive within.</p>
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		By: mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2017 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-1/#comment-1896270&quot;&gt;Harpoona Frittata&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks. Jon Atack has recommended On Liberty and posted the Mill quote in an article as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-1/#comment-1896270">Harpoona Frittata</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks. Jon Atack has recommended On Liberty and posted the Mill quote in an article as well.</p>
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		By: Harpoona Frittata		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harpoona Frittata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2017 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-1/#comment-1896185&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Love that Mill quote, it&#039;s just so completely applicable to deconstructing $cn at its most fundamental level!

By making all dissent, doubt or even questioning of his doctrine a high crime, and then going on to discourage informal discussion of the subject by labeling it &quot;verbal data,&quot; Elron was able to structurally embed those key mind control mechanisms within the orthodoxy of the &#039;faith&#039; as explicit tenets of belief.

&quot;The whole strength and value, then, of human judgment depending on the 
one property, that it can be set right when it is wrong, reliance can be
 placed on it only when the means of setting it right are kept 
constantly at hand.&quot;

The many objectively demonstrable &quot;wrongnesses&quot; that Elron force fed his minions can never be set right within any fundamentalist version of $cn because Elron set himself up as infallible Source, so that no matter how completely his claims are disproved on the basis of objective fact to the wider society, he&#039;s always going to be right to true believer $cilons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/images-from-spy-camera-show-clearwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/comment-page-1/#comment-1896185">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>Love that Mill quote, it&#8217;s just so completely applicable to deconstructing $cn at its most fundamental level!</p>
<p>By making all dissent, doubt or even questioning of his doctrine a high crime, and then going on to discourage informal discussion of the subject by labeling it &#8220;verbal data,&#8221; Elron was able to structurally embed those key mind control mechanisms within the orthodoxy of the &#8216;faith&#8217; as explicit tenets of belief.</p>
<p>&#8220;The whole strength and value, then, of human judgment depending on the<br />
one property, that it can be set right when it is wrong, reliance can be<br />
 placed on it only when the means of setting it right are kept<br />
constantly at hand.&#8221;</p>
<p>The many objectively demonstrable &#8220;wrongnesses&#8221; that Elron force fed his minions can never be set right within any fundamentalist version of $cn because Elron set himself up as infallible Source, so that no matter how completely his claims are disproved on the basis of objective fact to the wider society, he&#8217;s always going to be right to true believer $cilons.</p>
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