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	Comments on: John Brousseau: Marty Rathbun is putting words in my mouth about the FBI&#8217;s Scientology probe	</title>
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		By: Harpoona Frittata		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1935175</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harpoona Frittata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2017 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1935094&quot;&gt;Serena Romeo&lt;/a&gt;.

Serena, I thought you&#039;d forgotten about me! Go ahead, don&#039;t keep me in suspense here, life&#039;s too short and all, so what would you like me to do, or what do you want me to know, or what is it that you want?

What are you saying, that you&#039;re The Boracle and you&#039;d like to meet me for coffee, or what?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1935094">Serena Romeo</a>.</p>
<p>Serena, I thought you&#8217;d forgotten about me! Go ahead, don&#8217;t keep me in suspense here, life&#8217;s too short and all, so what would you like me to do, or what do you want me to know, or what is it that you want?</p>
<p>What are you saying, that you&#8217;re The Boracle and you&#8217;d like to meet me for coffee, or what?</p>
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		By: Serena Romeo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serena Romeo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2017 03:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1919848&quot;&gt;Harpoona Frittata&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re absolutely right.  I think about you all the time...which is why I&#039;ve made 5,000 posts mainly repeating myself about you....  Wait, that&#039;s you and your posts about &quot;Mutty&quot;.  I get confused sometimes. My obsession with you may well be secret as you claim. Your obsession on the other hand...not so much.  I hope you&#039;ll consider starting a blog like Barbara Shwartz...if not maybe you and Oracle (same style different side) could get away from the computer for a change and have debates over coffee!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1919848">Harpoona Frittata</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right.  I think about you all the time&#8230;which is why I&#8217;ve made 5,000 posts mainly repeating myself about you&#8230;.  Wait, that&#8217;s you and your posts about &#8220;Mutty&#8221;.  I get confused sometimes. My obsession with you may well be secret as you claim. Your obsession on the other hand&#8230;not so much.  I hope you&#8217;ll consider starting a blog like Barbara Shwartz&#8230;if not maybe you and Oracle (same style different side) could get away from the computer for a change and have debates over coffee!</p>
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		By: Amy Somers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amy Somers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2017 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-2/#comment-1880301&quot;&gt;Bob Crouch&lt;/a&gt;.

The person to whom you are writing is exhausting. On behalf of your kindness and compassion, I am off to take a mid-day nap, under the Sunny BLUE Sky=) 
Whatever one thought of Marty&#039;s odd behavior with the law suit and the recent videos, the BETRAYAL has now been introduced, via a piece of evidence, in a court of law. 
Treason Case, Open &#038; Closed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-2/#comment-1880301">Bob Crouch</a>.</p>
<p>The person to whom you are writing is exhausting. On behalf of your kindness and compassion, I am off to take a mid-day nap, under the Sunny BLUE Sky=)<br />
Whatever one thought of Marty&#8217;s odd behavior with the law suit and the recent videos, the BETRAYAL has now been introduced, via a piece of evidence, in a court of law.<br />
Treason Case, Open &amp; Closed.</p>
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		By: Amy Somers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amy Somers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2017 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-2/#comment-1876776&quot;&gt;Kayla Corcoran&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Anyways....&quot; (is all I need to see, over and over again, to tune out the rest).
#oddlywritten]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-2/#comment-1876776">Kayla Corcoran</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anyways&#8230;.&#8221; (is all I need to see, over and over again, to tune out the rest).<br />
#oddlywritten</p>
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		By: Harpoona Frittata		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harpoona Frittata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2017 05:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1919655&quot;&gt;Serena Romeo&lt;/a&gt;.

Which &quot;sign lines&quot; are you referring to?

I disagree, it&#039;s the easiest thing in the world to avoid my posts...just don&#039;t read them! I think that you&#039;re secretly obsessed with me and this is your, umm, interesting way of getting my attention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1919655">Serena Romeo</a>.</p>
<p>Which &#8220;sign lines&#8221; are you referring to?</p>
<p>I disagree, it&#8217;s the easiest thing in the world to avoid my posts&#8230;just don&#8217;t read them! I think that you&#8217;re secretly obsessed with me and this is your, umm, interesting way of getting my attention.</p>
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		By: Serena Romeo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serena Romeo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2017 01:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1879701&quot;&gt;Harpoona Frittata&lt;/a&gt;.

I didn&#039;t see the request to skip your posts. It&#039;s difficult request since you post obsessively about Marty...on every blog I read.  And you repeat the sign lines over and over again.  Perhaps you should consider getting a hobby.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1879701">Harpoona Frittata</a>.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see the request to skip your posts. It&#8217;s difficult request since you post obsessively about Marty&#8230;on every blog I read.  And you repeat the sign lines over and over again.  Perhaps you should consider getting a hobby.</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 06:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1903216&quot;&gt;Joe Howard&lt;/a&gt;.

But they never claimed to provide &lt;I&gt;objective&lt;/I&gt;  benefits - like increased IQ, a perfect memory, freedom from physical and mental disease, the ability to grow new teeth - and that&#039;s just early  dianetics.

Buddhism you can accept because it claims only cultivate a state of mind which it argues is desirable. The validity of Scientology  depends on objective claims which evaporate when examined.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1903216">Joe Howard</a>.</p>
<p>But they never claimed to provide <i>objective</i>  benefits &#8211; like increased IQ, a perfect memory, freedom from physical and mental disease, the ability to grow new teeth &#8211; and that&#8217;s just early  dianetics.</p>
<p>Buddhism you can accept because it claims only cultivate a state of mind which it argues is desirable. The validity of Scientology  depends on objective claims which evaporate when examined.</p>
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		By: Joe Howard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1884601&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

It might be less of a problem if you accepted that the benefits of Scn are almost TOTALLY subjective. Same as Zen, Catholicism and just about every other -ism ever developed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1884601">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>It might be less of a problem if you accepted that the benefits of Scn are almost TOTALLY subjective. Same as Zen, Catholicism and just about every other -ism ever developed.</p>
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		By: F_Randy_Hullabaloo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2017 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marty&#039;s becoming the Donald Trump of alt-scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty&#8217;s becoming the Donald Trump of alt-scientology.</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2017 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1883913&quot;&gt;Joe Howard&lt;/a&gt;.

That is the problem. I would likely dismiss these things as subjective experiences provoked by well-understood means (e.g. the hallucinations that many people have during TR0) whose interpretation was guided by Scientology doctrine. 

I would do things like ask people who said they could leave their bodies to identify a playing card inside a sealed box, and judge the truth of that claim according to whether they could or not.  

It&#039;s a different perspective and it&#039;s probably best to respectfully agree to differ (unless you want to go into great detail :-)

We can agree that the damaging aspects should be stopped. Unfortunately many of them (e.g. disconnection and ethics) are integral parts of Scientology practice. You can&#039;t remove the abuses without denying large parts of Scientology doctrine.

Cherry-picking the &#039;good&#039; parts and ignoring the rest is difficult - but I suppose someone &lt;I&gt;could&lt;/I&gt;come up with a &#039;Reformed Church of Scientology&#039; that was not as malignant as the present CofS.

End the abuses. We can stand together on that. The rest, we can sort out later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/06/20/john-brousseau-marty-rathbun-putting-words-in-my-mouth-about-the-fbis-scientology-probe/comment-page-1/#comment-1883913">Joe Howard</a>.</p>
<p>That is the problem. I would likely dismiss these things as subjective experiences provoked by well-understood means (e.g. the hallucinations that many people have during TR0) whose interpretation was guided by Scientology doctrine. </p>
<p>I would do things like ask people who said they could leave their bodies to identify a playing card inside a sealed box, and judge the truth of that claim according to whether they could or not.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a different perspective and it&#8217;s probably best to respectfully agree to differ (unless you want to go into great detail 🙂</p>
<p>We can agree that the damaging aspects should be stopped. Unfortunately many of them (e.g. disconnection and ethics) are integral parts of Scientology practice. You can&#8217;t remove the abuses without denying large parts of Scientology doctrine.</p>
<p>Cherry-picking the &#8216;good&#8217; parts and ignoring the rest is difficult &#8211; but I suppose someone <i>could</i>come up with a &#8216;Reformed Church of Scientology&#8217; that was not as malignant as the present CofS.</p>
<p>End the abuses. We can stand together on that. The rest, we can sort out later.</p>
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