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Marty Rathbun, Victoria Britton has a question for you about Scientology and judges

 
We’re traveling again today and we don’t have time for a long story. And we also know that you’re probably sick of reading about Marty Rathbun. But we wanted to give Victoria Britton recognition for raising one of the best questions we’ve seen about Rathbun’s new tune.

Here’s what Victoria said at Facebook after watching Rathbun’s “Going Clear, Part 9” video:

I just finished watching the ninth video in Marty Rathbun’s series and I would appreciate any feedback to my query. In the video Rathbun claims that the harassment of Judge Ronald Swearinger who presided over the Wollersheim case did not occur. According to Marty this is because of the purging of the Guardians Office that occurred five years prior. He continues in saying (not verbatim) “measures were tight-you couldn’t get involved in a lawsuit without an okay from H.Q.-no one would do something as stupid as mess with a judge.” In November of 2012, Marty while “under oath” described in detail how he set up a meeting to influence a Hillsborough County judge in the Lisa McPherson case. If what Marty says in his video is truthful, did he commit perjury in 2012?

That’s an excellent question, Victoria. Let’s go to the tape.

First, here’s the relevant passage from Rathbun’s new video. After denying accusations that Scientology had harassed and tried to influence a Los Angeles Superior Court judge, Rathbun says…

This was five years after the purge of the Guardian’s Office. I mean, the prophylactic measures, and control measures that were put in on external activity were so tight, that you couldn’t cough if you were involved in anything having to do with an external situation like a lawsuit, without HQ OK. OK? The last thing in the world that anybody — I mean, people knew within an inch of their lives that they would be purged and expelled forever if they did something as stupid and corrupt as go mess with a judge.

Seems pretty categorical, and Marty is leaving himself very little wiggle room. He’s saying pretty plainly that after the early 1980s purge of the Guardian’s Office, the agency that replaced it, the Office of Special Affairs, knew that trying to mess with a judge was no longer what Scientology did.

But as Victoria points out, in 2012 Rathbun gave a deposition, under oath, and described things very differently. Rathbun’s deposition was taken by Tampa attorney Ken Dandar, who at that time was fighting some very bizarre litigation from the Church of Scientology. (Eventually, Dandar succeeded in having a million-dollar judgment against him wiped out, and his court fight with the church is over.)

What Dandar wanted to know, and what Rathbun was happy to testify to, was the amount of time and money that was spent by the church fighting against criminal and civil court cases growing out of the 1995 death of church member Lisa McPherson. Specifically, Dandar wanted to know if Scientology had tried to influence the judges handling the various cases.

“Absolutely,” Rathbun testified. Here, we’re going to post the entire exchange from the deposition so you can see it for yourself.

 

 
Gosh, that sure sounds like “messing with a judge,” Marty — and it was done at your direction.

So, Victoria Britton’s eagle eye sure has raised a question for Marty Rathbun: Is he lying now, or was he lying then?

And he should be really careful about how he answers that question. Because if he was lying then, he was under oath. And that’s actually a crime.

 
Meanwhile, as for changing his tune…

 

 
Marty, you’re making this too easy. Do you really have such little self-respect?

Oh, and one more question, Marty. Why did you give Dani Lemberger’s private email to the Church of Scientology to use against him in litigation? How about just answering that simple question?

 
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Chris Shelton on the materials of Scientology

 

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Come to the local org to watch video of David Miscavige talking for two hours to a bunch of wealthy big beings on a cruise ship somewhere! Isn’t Scientology fun?

 

 
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HOWDYCON ANNOUNCEMENT

 
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— London-based Australian journalist Steve Cannane talking about his book Fair Game
— A spoken-word performance from former Sea Org official Claire Headley
— Cathy Schenkelberg performing for us scenes from her one-woman show, “Squeeze My Cans”

You don’t want to miss out, so please visit the convention page and get in contact with Kim.

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25 at the Residence Inn Denver City Center. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,782 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,539 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,885 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,379 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,419 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,131 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 657 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,746 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,886 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,206 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,181 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 537 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,839 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 946 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,348 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,221 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 802 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,307 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,551 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,660 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on June 15, 2017 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
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Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • In b4 Tony writing something like

    “We sent an e-mail to Marty Rathbun to hear his side of the story. We’ll let you know when he gets back to us.”

    It’s been so many times that Tony gave the COS their chance to explain their point of view. 🙂

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      The CoS is not supposed to explain their hubbardian point of view. They are supposed to tell us to read a book on it… I guess this makes all Marty’s video’s just promo for his upcoming book..

      Really this battle of the devils and their minions of which we have a kaleidoscopic view is really very sad. It surely is a diabolical tragedy we are witnessing. Our fellow human beings utterly lost in some kind of despair is what I see.

  • 0tessa

    Messing with a judge … is that obstruction of justice?
    Good for impeachment in some cases …

    • PickAnotherID

      In a word, yes.

  • Chee Chalker

    I think Marty is being held prisoner somewhere and is making these videos so we will help him escape.
    He can’t blink as fast as Monique Yingling so he has to make up stories that so directly contradict what he has previously said, that anyone watching will connect the dots and come and rescue him.

    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

      Maybe if we take the forty-seventh word from each video, arrange them in reverse and set them to Pink Floyd music the truth will be revealed?

      Then we can just send him a Rita Hayworth poster and he can get to digging.

      http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/67562.jpg

      • Chee Chalker

        lol!

      • Missionary Kid

        Next thing you know, Marty will put the blame on Mame.

    • Juicer77

      If that’s true, he could easily contact Mike Rinder or Leah Remini right now and blow this whole thing out of the water, in full public view.

      • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

        Or at least get them to swoop down for a dramatic rescue in a freakin’ helicopter…

        • Juicer77

          NOW you’re talkin’!

      • Chee Chalker

        Yeah, unless Marty was up to something that they (Mike, Leah. et al.) were unaware of and now he can’t come clean.
        My theory is he helped to hide Bin Laden or was on the grassy knoll in Dallas.

        • Juicer77

          Both excellent theories! I think he won’t leggo my eggo.

      • BadBilly

        Has Mike to Leah commented on the latest “Marty Situation”? Other than Tony, I can’t think of anyone I want to hear from more than Mike Rinder.

        • Robert Eckert

          He has kept firmly silent about Marty ever since the lawsuit melt-down

        • Juicer77

          He probably won’t. He knows darn well when to keep his mouth shut, and honestly I hope he doesn’t say anything. There may come a day when Rashbum comes to him for help, and Mike would most likely at least listen. I am speculating here, I do not know Mike Rinder personally.

        • Jgg2012

          No, and I would advise them not to. He documented tons of abuses when he left the Church, and he is never going to say “I lied”, so he is stuck with those earlier statements and new statements can be ignored.

    • Princess Poopypants

      Maybe there is a “Life of David Gale” twist to it somewhere…..
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289992/

      • Chee Chalker

        Hmmm I am not familiar with this movie, but I will try to see if I can find it on cable or on demand

        • Princess Poopypants

          It’s a law/death penalty movie with a big twist at the end.

    • I have an idea for a best-selling novel – “The Marty Code”.
      Those videos contain a message – possibly from Ron himself.
      Don’t spend any money people – I will have it written and self-published tomorrow afternoon.

      • Chee Chalker

        Oh ‘self published’
        I see
        You’re one of THOSE people…..

        Didn’t the Co$ razz Marty for self publishing once upon a time?
        Now he is an authority on all things, including Larry Wright’s marriage
        (Did you catch the little dig at Larry – how Larry was projecting when he wrote about LRH’s affairs?)

        • I note the way that the author of Marty’s stuff reveals he listens to critics by the way in which they try to turn things they have said against them.

          “Projection” is not a concept that Scientologists really ought to be using, considering it’s source – they ought to be telling all about SPs and disconnection.

    • Noesis
    • Newiga

      This is exactly what I was thinking. 😀

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Genius 😀

    • Harpoona Frittata

      I’m ready to come to his aid, if someone will please, kindly return my flame thrower and grenades…we’ll bust him out, even if it kills him (metaphorically speaking, of course).

  • Panopea Abrupta

    an excerpt from “The Saga of The Texas Clam

    It being late in the Reign of the Punching Pontiff, his Kingdom was under siege.
    For Global Warming had begun to replace his Global Harming.
    And in it’s Aftermath, throughout the land, news of grave injustices was heard.
    And Scribes and Town Criers and Travelling Mendicants told this in inn and tavern,
    at crossroads and in meetings so that it became known to all.
    And the Downfall of the Clampire was foretold.

    And wrathful was Rathbun, with imprecation and with cynical dissimulation,
    with torture of logic and false accusations, with vile abuse of truth and with
    a nigh fatal chronic clamnesia.
    For his master was again Lord Hubris, a man with a mind where ideas went
    to fester and a mouth where teeth went to die.
    And the little Lord, David, had control of the puppet strings again.
    And the wrathwolves howled in their mountain fastnesses.
    And catamounts did shriek, awful and fearful, so that it would freeze the Kool-Aid
    that flowed in their very veins.

    But the villagers gathered together and petitioned the Troika who did furnish
    for them a Bunker that was 47 cubits long and 47 cubits wide, for 47 was the
    number. It was well furnished and comfortable, a welcoming place.
    And therein was a bar that was well stocked (though there was one single malt
    that was never to be found there.) Kool-Aid was verboten.
    And there was caek and popcorn.
    Armed with dox and J&D and shoops and empathy and wog law, they faced him.
    For he was cast out.
    And he wandered but could find none to listen to him.
    And they cast lots for his clones.

    And he did rue the day.

    One for sorrow, two for a lie
    Three for a churl, four for a spy
    Six for silver, seven for Gold,
    Eight for crimes that have never been told
    ……………………………..
    Rue, rue, rue, you bot,
    Gently drown the screams
    Murkily, murkily, murkily,
    Lies and crazy schemes

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f24b048d38842248e74f88df199a14e5074c554d4f634e541884c3e6542f0327.jpg

    • Juicer77

      Bravo! (had to look up “mendicant”)

    • Chee Chalker

      Classic!

    • salin

      Beautifully, and artfully apropos!

    • Kaarli Makela

      If Dante and Lewis Carroll had a child …

    • chukicita

      Artistry. We are fortunate that Pan shares his art with us!

      And “clamnesia” made me audibly laugh in an inappropriate setting.

  • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

    And it’s starting. He’s just digging himself deeper with each of these videos, and there’s evidence and resulting questions that arise from every instance he tries to dispute. Buckle up, Marty. It’s only gonna get worse.

  • Richard Hole

    No, Tony, I can never get sick of reading about Marty Rathbun. I’m facinated by his turn-around and want as much information as possible.

  • Markthehungarian

    I have nothing to base this on except the brutal about-turn Marty has taken regarding the Church of Scientology. I think he came to an agreement with the CoS, stopping the harrassment he was receiving, in return for peace and quiet and his willingness to purjure himself. I hope things work out for him as his decompression seemed to be going quite well. But he’s lying somewhere, and a lot. Can’t wait to tune in to the rest of his videos and hear more BS coming from his mouth.

    Question: if Mosey dropped the lawsuit because Marty and the CoS came to some sort of secret deal, isn’t there any recourse that Mosey’s lawyers can take? After all, as I understood it, they were fired and left high-and-dry… Does anyone here know what possible outcomes there could be if a deal like this, if it even happened, came to light?

    • Missionary Kid

      They do have recourse, but they’ll have to sue him and show proof that it happened.

    • Mark Foster

      Man, 4 YEARS after he left, he was still thinking scientology was valid; he was trying to lead or convene some new Indie movement. I understand that each individual takes whatever time he takes to ¨decompress¨, but, fuck, I was reading the Affirmations within weeks of leaving staff! I think this guy really bought into being the ¨most bad-ass guy¨ in scientology and misses having that kind of power, never mind the ´small detail ´ about it being the power to ruin lives…

      • Quick empathy

        Once a bully always a bully. He can’t go on and live a peaceful life with his family. He cries ” I don’t have any friends “. Well people see that he is a swarmy insincere halfwit. What a putz. Even the Mafia wouldn’t want this guy. He is a bad-ass only in his mind. Look at his eyes, he is dead inside.

      • Observer

        Exactly.

      • That’s my view. He was ‘Witchfinder General’ in Scientology. He had power and commanded resources that he would never have been put in his hands in any other walk of life, for simple lack of ability.

        Only in Scientology could a man achieve high office of the basis of ruthlessness and lack of education.

        Still, he wants that power back, and his life since leaving Scientology has been the history of all of his failed attempts to get it.

      • PeaceMaker

        I think that Rathbun may be trying to be the leader of a certain strain of “indie” thought that has been rearing its head lately, that despite everything undeniably terrible about Hubbard, he somehow was onto something brilliant and powerful in Scientology. See, for instance, what Ken Urquhart is writing these days – and the people commenting on his blog giving him kudos.

    • The lawyers did a lot of work on contingency – they represented their client for nothing, on condition they got a cut of any court award.

      If Marty got a pay-off that can be traced to the CofS, they are still entitled to their cut, even if Marty negotiated that himself, after the case was closed.

      However, the lawyers know better than anybody how obstructive Scientology is in court, and how carefully they would hide any connection so, even if they had a shrewd idea that this was the case it would cost them even more to get the case, and the CofS might even wriggle out on a technicality.

      Unless the evidence was overwhelming, cut and dried, they are probably better off cutting their losses.

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        I would imagine that any settlement was laundered out. That would parallel the ex parte and lawyer -PI harassment methods as well as the neighborhood flyering of Mark Bunker, Tory Christman and Paulette cooper. All just different spots and stripes of felines, or foxes. Alter ego of the CofS international for the Church of scientology which was cleaned out of assets as the I believe Wollershein case was in progress as well as the IRS tax liability.
        I was also the core of hubbard’s modus operandi. Offshore bank accounts and corporations like SOR, front groups, ships sailing on international waters and into ports of non-extradition countries again more of the same colour.
        I wonder how many whales are caught up in these seas of deception.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I got this from Tory Christman on SPs are Us and I paraphrase and compact.

    What Marty is doing is standard OSA procedure. It is meant to be a distraction.

    I think her point of view is sensible which is why I pass it on.

    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

      It which case it makes me quite curious as to what he might be distracting for.

      • Jimmy3

        Probably wants to put some money in your pocket while you’re looking the other way.

        • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

          But I don’t want his hands in my pocketses, precious!

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        In full from Tory Christman:

        People ask me “What do you think about Marty”…so here ya go. Imnsho…and experience from working with the top secret OSA International Internet Mafia, Marty is doing *exactly* what their program is all about:

        1) Distract off of *anything* they don’t want see. That usually starts with facts about Hubbard, “dave” and C of $/any abuses or front groups

        Marty’s Bullshit is a 100% Distraction. I’m surprised to see how much of it is about “Marty”. Who cares? Really. If you are waking up and lurking here, reading about Marty or listening to Marty’s BS will not help you, at all.

        Learn the FACTS about L. Ron Hubbard, the Con man. David Miscavige, the abuser. C of $ and their endless rip offs. Their Front groups and why they are phony, also. Learn the FACTS.

        2) Degrade any activists and people who expose facts they don’t want known.

        Ahhh Marty has attacked Tony, Karen, now Lawrence Wright? Good Gawd. Why is he being discussed

        over and over.

        3) “Slime the area so no one wants to post there”. Seems like a long shot, until they get their product. Look at “ARS”-Dead. ESMB, still around, but not much. Xenu.net…always a good reference web site, as is Tony’s, Sps’r’US, and many others.

        Just thought I’d ask. I’m sure it’s not popular….but I’d rather remind you all of their game…just so hopefully you also Keep in Some of the exposure they don’t want seen.

        • Jimmy3

          Always appreciate Tory’s input, but crediting Scientology with killing ARS is silly. It died because everyone moved on from Usenet. There were simply better ways of communicating and sharing information.

          • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

            Though I’m sure they’d like to take credit and view it as one of their wins.

            • Jimmy3

              I’ll send them a card and a letter of congratulation via Pony Express.

            • Robert Eckert

              Telex is the only approved method of communication. Ponies are psychotic.

          • PickAnotherID

            Exactly. From what I saw, a.r.s. pretty much died when everyone moved from UseNet over to the web based forum that eventually became WWP.

          • Rasha

            …and here I thought it was just my CompuServe account being flaky. So, you’re saying I should upgrade to Prodigy?

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah, do that. Means more free AOL hours for me.

            • Rasha

              CDs are on the way. The first fleet should arrive by HowdyCon…

            • ReallyMGM

              Free AOL discs always meant new drink coasters for my computer desk! (And supplies for the kids’ arts n’ crafts box)

          • Chee Chalker

            Yeah….it’s kind of like saying MySpace died because of reasons other than Facebook

        • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

          All very good points, and Tory’s definitely someone who knows of what she speaks. As for her question at the end of 2) I’d imagine everyone has their reasons for discussing his current shenanigans. For me, I guess it’s mostly morbid curiosity along with a desire to see just how low he’ll sink next.

    • I’m sticking with the notion that they have given up on the wider world, and any distraction is aimed at the growing contingent of disaffected people among their own membership – the UTRs.

      Marty demonstrates to them that critics are not to be trusted.

    • janedoe2

      Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack, Can you post the link to Tory’s video?

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Hi, Jane Doe. There is no video to link to. This was from a written comment she made on the Facebook site Sp’s R Us. I cut and pasted it a little lower down in the thread.

  • Jimmy3

    He’s not lying, he’s simply revising the narrative. A few minor adjustments is all. And look how many people he’s getting involved and reconnecting with. This is special.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
      • Rasha

        His uncle-brother Larry “Scary Sherri” Terry is the one to worry about… He does a plate spinning routine with snapping turtles while ignoring the “low battery” chirp from his smoke detector.

        • Kim O’Brien

          uncle-brother ..LOL . perfect

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Hey now, he can ride a bike and carry a wild raccoon at the same time, he’s clearly the college graduate in the family. XD

          • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

            The raccoon was actually his designated driver. That’s why you don’t see a biking under the influence charge up there!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              That raccoon is a dick. Who bails when they’re the designated driver? Look at the mess that Barry Larry Terry is in now!! *laughcrying*

            • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

              I hate to sound contrary, but I think it was wise that he stayed wary around Terry and chose not to tarry when things got hairy. Opinions may vary 😉

          • Rasha

            It’s that thar book-learnin’ what done it.

          • Rasha

            They did eventually find the headlamp affixed to the raccoon, though….

        • XD

      • Have some goddamned compassion people! These days, we are all Barry Larry Terry, wandering the wastes without illumination, an angry Raccoon constantly messing up our hair.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Bahahahaha!! Let he who has not traded his headlamp for a wild raccoon cast the first stone. 😀

      • J. Swift

        Hey wait a minute! This is the same Barry Larry Terry who works for OSA as head of Internet Video Strategies.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Alternative facts!

  • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

    Suppose it was just a matter of time before it started heading in this direction. It’s all well and good to try and pick apart an author’s research or condemn his work.

    But now we’re getting into court testimonies and depositions, and whatever kind of deal/payment/amnesty Marty’s getting, I doubt one or more perjury charges is something he expected to get in the package.

    • PickAnotherID

      Unfortunately, the statute of limitations ran out long ago on bringing perjury charges in the McPherson case.

      • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

        True, and while I don’t know the exact timeframe for the statute offhand, I’d think that some of the more recent cases can still apply. Even though it’s not prosecuted much to my knowledge, I think you can still get nailed for perjury in civil court as well.

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        But I doubt it runs out on murder.

  • PickAnotherID
    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      If that ex parte is a ‘crime’ would that make the Flag Land Base and it’s many properties subject to confiscation upon conviction of those who ran the crimes from those assets? How about the INT BASE and the other assets where this activity undergoes planning and direction?

  • Princess Poopypants

    This picture describes todays topic of discussion.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/68aaa25f1ef6659332dc4fbab3eb6d146df43974fc3aeecdc9acb7baed7824c7.jpg
    Das all I has to sai bout dat.

    • Pretzel shaming is so ugly . . .

  • EDN/laineybin

    Usually the phrase “Let’s go to the tape.” makes me want to head for the hills or drink a giant glass of wine – or both (not a fan of televised sports) but this time I laughed and couldn’t wait.

    I’ve said this a lot lately but here it goes again: in this day and age, with everything we do recorded in some manner shape or form (and if you’re Marty and a whore for media attention, it’s even more prevalent) how does anyone think these things won’t come back to bite them? What was that phrase “provable bullshit”?

    I realize the President of the US seems to get away with this, at least with a certain segment of the population, and it’s one of the things that has me shouting at the computer or TV on a fairly regular basis, but I live in hope that common sense – and decency – will prevail. I’m not sure if it’s my Pollyanna nature or the wine.

    • Peter

      Well, I prefer that to what the loser would have been, having done nothing much but lie throughout both her and her hubby’s criminal lives. It kind of amazes me that ANYONE would have wanted her.

      • EDN/laineybin

        Not going to debate this at all. The attempts to find her guilty of anything over the last 30 years have been unprecedented – and still nothing.

        Let’s just agree not to discuss this here as my point wasn’t about HC vs. DT but about how there are so many people that can look at videos, listen to radio interviews and read articles where people are constantly lying and they don’t have any problem with it.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      It might fall in the category of conscience which rejects sociopathy.

  • What is clear is that Marty is lying and trying to trick us all, just two elements from the Fair Game policy that applies to SPs.

    • chukicita

      He’s lying. But he is tricking no one anymore.

    • John McGhee

      And he always has been; peddling indy-auditing also counts as trickery.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      It is some form of deny, denigrate, distract, so the devil can do his real Dirty work. I can’t help but wonder what is the undivulged dirty work pogram going on out of sight.

  • Chewkacca

    Ignore Marty. He is a tool of the Devil, oops, I mean Dave-il. And whatever you do, do not, repeat, DO NOT give Marty any Viagra (media exposure)– it will just make him taller, so his spew can hit more people.
    The Dave-il threatened him with exposure of his OSA past to the FBI. That is not a credible threat. Any exposure of Marty would implicate the Dave-il. If Marty were to go to the FBI and TELL ALL in exchange for partial immunity, he would do some time. But the Dave-il would do LOTS of time.
    Marty— your only terminal is FBI director Christopher A. Wray. STAART!
    WAAROOOO!

  • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

    Weatherman on the morning news gets freaked out by a (relatively) giant spider that’s perched on the camera lens and seems to be looming over his shoulder. Always priceless.

  • Quick empathy

    Marty, feel the burn! You aren’t scaring anyone with your bullshit lies!
    https ://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/85fe6982fbf275123df27f4d4c214e4c1c4d8ef90b58618cb96a7b965400d19d.jpg

    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

      It’s a fitting image, to be sure! But I feel like we shouldn’t disparage the noble shark by comparing it with Marty. I mean, what would Howdy think??

  • Observer
    • stanrogers

      genius n 1. A fat dullard or wobblebottom; 2. a pompous ass with sweaty dewflaps.

      • Observer

        You have such a…way…with words *retch*

        • stanrogers

          Stolen unashamedly from Blackadder, I’m afraid. I’m no genius.

          • Observer

            I beg to differ. You keep me in stitches.

            • stanrogers

              Wobblebottom it is, then.

      • stellamaris73

        Upvotes for Blackadder reference.

    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

      Oh Marty boy, the cans, the cans are calling
      From clam to clam, and down to Ingleside…

  • Jeb Burton

    Shocking! The warrior is a liar. Tracy McManus story is on the front page of the local section “Council balks at deal with church”. Council votes 4 to 1 to say fuck you scientology, were done doing anything with you.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Marty ….Tony is kicking your ass

    • Jimmy3

      Nope. Never happened. Marty’s ass cannot be kicked. You can try, but you will hit his shoulders or his neck.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    From the deposition of Marty:
    ” .. these guys are judges …
    … they have some standards …
    And, uh, so you couldn’t be that crass.”

    John Lennon wrote a song, “Working Class Hero”
    Marty, if he wrote it about you, it would have been
    “A Shirking Crass Zero”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/71b397ce3e06729eef0d64b9ed2521223358ad0a5c8a07bd8bb6900a082c85b2.jpg

  • Quick empathy

    Marty has went off the rails. It’s like a train wreck. So hard to look away as he goes down in flames! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/09a94decf880755ba6672b689d13f40722f6883a685b0d6e34c903e0fd979762.jpg

  • Interested2

    Has he been cloned? The other Marty has gone to target 2 leaving an uninstructed double in his place…

    Seriously though I cannot understand this complete about face, he must be aware of everything he has said previously. Is he taking the piss because everyone is saying he has become a DM mouthpiece?

    Will he in the last video say mischievously “had you there folks… Thought I’d play a joke on you… Haha.”

  • What’s an established fact is that Marty Rathbun is a liar.

    Once he lied as a privileged Scientologist enjoying perks at the top of Scientology’s pyramid of power until he was thrown under the bus by David Miscavige.

    Remember Rathbun was not a walk away he was a throw away. That is, he didn’t choose to leave Scientology due to any moral conviction or perceived abuse, He was simply thrown out. It’s not clear that Rathbun ever would have left on his own.

    IMO — Rathbun was never really a truly credible Scientology critic. Rathbun did not come completely clean about the dirty work he did as a henchman for Miscavige and instead exhibited a rather selective memory.

    My guess is that Scientology made Marty Rathbun a fairly wealthy man — paying him off to sabotage his wife’s lawsuit. And now he keeps cash flowing by selling lies on demand.

    After all, lying for Scientology was once Marty Rathbun’s regular work and now it’s apparently become his ongoing personal business plan.

    What’s that old saying? “”As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.”

    • Jimmy3

      These days, a post about dog vomit would be a refreshing change for the Bunker.

    • Techie

      Proverbs 26:11 New International Version (NIV)
      As a dog returns to its vomit,
      so fools repeat their folly.

      • Yes. That’s it. An apt description of Rathbun the rat.

      • Best. Bible. Quote. Ever.

    • Noesis

      “Remember Rathbun was not a walk away he was a throw away. That is, he didn’t choose to leave Scientology due to any moral conviction or perceived abuse, He was simply thrown out. It’s not clear that Rathbun ever would have left on his own.”

      IIRC – Marty was busted off post, ordered into the Hole / RPF, then escaped INT rather than do time with the rest of the execs in the trailers. The common refrain then was that Marty was cool with putting others into the Hole, but not willing to be put there himself. He committed quite a bit of space on his blog describing his escape from INT.

      Don’t recall Marty being “thrown out” of Scientology, except as an after-the-fact explanation by the church trying to cover the reality of his voluntary escape.

      Do you have additional information about Marty being “thrown out” versus escaping?

      • Thanks for making that fine point.

        You are right. Technically Rathbun was not “thrown out,” but rather thrown under the bus by David Miscavige. He was forced into a position of humiliation and servitude, either live in the hole or leave, so he ran away..

        IMO — It boils down to essentially being forced out by Miscavige.

        And if Rathbun is considered a “walk away” his departure certainly wasn’t motivated by any sense of ethics or moral conviction, but rather his own self interest and ego.

        Rathbun was no Debbie Cook. Unlike Cook Rathbun wasn’t willing to endure the horrors of the hole. And unlike Cook once he was demoted he decided not to remain silent, but rather garner attention as a supposedly outspoken Scientology critic.

        There is a pattern to the Marty Rathbun story. Rathbun cares about Rathbun. He is on a crusade for his own self interests.

        • Noesis

          “…if Rathbun is considered a “walk away” his departure certainly wasn’t motivated by any sense of ethics or moral conviction, but rather his own self interest and ego.”

          ABSOLUTELY.

          There are two kinds of buses in Scientology.

          One is the kind (Bus #1) a person gets thrown under when someone higher on the Scientology command chain decides to blame a scapegoat.

          The other type is Bus #2 which is an actual (or metaphorical) BlueBird bus ridden by the very most senior executives to escape legal, ethical and moral accountability for their participations in a vast array of torts and crimes in the furtherance of selfish ends from which they personally benefit at the expense of others.

          Marty used to ride Bus type # 2, until he got kicked off and thrown under Bus type # 1…at which point he blew Scientology.

          • Yes. Some people are victims and some high ranking Scientology executives were horrible and hurt many people.

            Rathbun may rate a footnote in “cult” history, but he is not a nice person.

            IMO — He’s on a nonstop express bus to hell.

            • Noesis

              That may very well be Bus type # 3.

              Lol.

            • Yes.

              BTW–Do you think that Miscavige allows anyone to ride in comfort these days?

              It seems like he has replaced the once comfortable bus for the chosen with a chauffeur-driven limousine partitioned with reserved seating only for himself. Unless he decides to take you for a ride.But at any moment he may decide to stop and kick you to the curb.

              Look what happened to the once glorious Heber Jentzsch.

  • Vaquera

    Well, that was — um — that was a painful — you know — a painful — um — read.

    • gtsix

      Um.. what do you…um..mean? It um, was totally umclear.

  • Kim O’Brien

    PLEASE remember to pay for dinner for Saturday night if you are going to HowdyCon – Head count is turned in tomorrow .

    • TexasBroad

      Thanks for all your hard work putting all this together, Kim.

      • Kim O’Brien

        my pleasure . I say we do it here every year – just the first week in June next time …before it gets too hot 🙂

    • stanrogers

      Is that what passes for regging around here? Pathetic.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i’m sure there is some sort of course i could take 😉

        • Chee Chalker

          Just remember….even if I tell you I don’t have any money – I do.
          People always say they don’t have money when they do.
          Or, Kim, could you get me a higher credit card limit?
          You do have people working ‘higher up’ at AmEx, Visa and MasterCard, right?

      • WOG with Attitude

        Pay up or else you will starve to death at HowdyCon and for all eternity? What would Ron think if you didn’t pay up NOW?!?

        Better?

        • stanrogers

          Sort of, but I notice you’ve missed using the word “Ideal” entirely.

          • WOG with Attitude

            Sorry. I’d be a total failure as a Scientologist. I could never reg people!

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          Are there volcanoes up there in those Rocky Mountains? ya’all better be careful and wear tinfoil outfits …..or not.

      • whingeybingey

        Lol!

    • Jimmy3

      I’m gonna pay the Taco Bell drive-thru girl to sing “Happy HowdyCon” to me. It’s really not as pathetic as it sounds.

      • Kestrel

        Oh, yes it is.

        • Jimmy3

          Shut up, bird. You don’t know anything about Taco Bell Girl and I’s relationship.

          • What is you’s relationship? Inquiring minds and so forth . . .

            • Jimmy3

              Well, mostly I just give her money in exchange for a bag of Taco Bell. But it’s more than that. Our thing often gets extra saucey, and I have to say hey, hey now… take your time… No need to rush this.. But if we’re doing this now, I’m gonna need another stack of napkins. No, no, that’s plenty. Thank you.

            • She puts extra creme on your supreme?

    • Can I reg at the HowdyCon® Cocktail Party™?

  • John Prince

    I hate it when marty ratface dominates the Bunker News but I Love it, seeing his filthy Lies EXPOSED & thrown right back in his Rodent-Face as soon as he opens his Foul mouth 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩

  • PRenaud

    Gee Marty, you keep falling from grace, how much of this can a person take.

    • How long can one keep falling? Waiting for the final thud is suspenseful.

  • WOG with Attitude

    This is so sad. Why does he bother? All he is proving is that he a buffoon, still under the influence of Old Con Hubbard. Painful to watch him self-immolate.

  • Silence of the Clams

    Marty….That sick feeling you’ve been having is called ‘foot in mouth’ disease. Please see a real doctor.

  • ze moo

    “prophylactic measures, and control measures that were put in on external activity were so tight,” When your prophylactic is on too tight nothing can happen. You can’t pee, you can’t do your Tarzan yell and impress your lady, hell, you can barely walk.

    Ok, ‘prophylactic’ can also be methods used to contain a disease outbreak or clean up a dirty place. Still, that word just makes me think someone is going to get screwed. Guess who?

  • Rasha

    Is “Marty” short for Mark? Or is his middle name actually “Marty”, complete with quotes, as in the deposition? I might have my middle name changed to be put inside parentheses so no one can hear it.

    …I’ll ask Jerry “Very Berry” Terry, the cousin-son of Barry Larry Terry what he thinks. (see below)

    • Draco

      Actually, you’ll get more sense from Jerry’s brother Larry, or even his other brother Larry. Jerry’s a bit stressed right now.

      • Observer

        Newhart made it to South Africa? One of my favorite shows of all time.

        • Draco

          Yes he did! I also loved that show and that line made me laugh every time.

        • Rasha

          Funnily enough, we were mentioning Larry, Darryl and Darryl while on a customer call earlier this week. Customer couldn’t remember what that was from, so I came to the rescue. The storage arrays he needed to get fixed were still hosed, but we did get that information passed along…..

          • stanrogers

            One should always store ones brothers in RAID 1 or better.

            • Rasha

              We did try tape backup on one of them once, but mom demanded we take him off the ceiling.

            • stanrogers

              Well, there goes another keyboard. Good thing I can get them by the case.

        • How about Howard Borden’s brother Gordon. You know the one who was a doorman at the Tabernacle?

          • Robert Eckert

            His other brother was a carpenter, you know, a Mormon nailer.

            • No, he was Gordon Borden the Mormon Doorman.

        • gtsix

          One of the best endings to a TV show EVAH.

          Never missed an episode. Bob Newhart is a hilarious man.

    • Jimmy3

      ^^^ Sasha Tasha “Rasha” Boomshakalasha

      Dox’d

      • Rasha

        I like it! But… no one can hear me now.

    • Techie

      Back in the early days at the Int Base, late 70s to early 80s, everybody had a “code name”. Like “Jackson” or “Deacon” or “Luigi”. Mark Rathbun’s code name was “Marty”. Part of the sooper sekrit hideout for L Ron Hubbard so the revenooers (oops, tax enforcement officers and process servers) didn’t git him. Or maybe it was the psychs or the FBI. Anyway, they played a lot of undercover games back then and the secret code names were just part of it.

      • Rasha

        Got it, thanks, Techie! So, Mark “Marty”, as the #2 guy, was the one that didn’t word clear “sooper sekrit”. What a goof. SMERSH is totally on to him now…..

      • Jimmy3

        I’m not a 00 agent or anything, but I don’t think you’re supposed to introduce yourself to people with your code name. And have all your friends and coworkers call you that publicly. And respond to it when called so by the uninitiated. If I didn’t know any better, I’d say that’s more of a nickname than a code name.

        • stanrogers

          Not a double-nought spy? So you went for the brain-surgeoning then?

          • Jimmy3

            Naw, I couldn’t go to brain surgeon school. I got in some trouble as a kid. I still have no idea how they caught me. They were searching and asking around for someone code named ‘Jimmy’, but my name is James.

            • Draco

              I knew a Jimmy who became James…

            • Techie

              Your name is James, but you need a screen name that won’t give you away … Jim? Too easy – Jimmy? Better but it sounds like Timmy or Johnny, like some kid who got away from his mommy… What about Jimmy Jimmy? They’d never guess that! It alliterates and rhymes, almost like a Gertrude Stein masterpiece. Just to put it over the top – Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy! That’s it! Jimmy3 for short! http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTc2WDcyMA==/z/Ln4AAMXQS6pRshIX/$(KGrHqR,!roFGTd8rkJEBRshI(gl6g~~60_35.JPG

            • 3feetback-of-COS

              I know your last name is Hoffa.

        • Draco

          Agreed – he married a woman I knew (one of his wives) and she and her family always referred to him as Marty.

      • Rasha

        Can we pick our own code names? I’m thinking “Sling Psychrometer”, or “Ryzhome”. Maybe “The Valve”. Ohhhh, this is fun.

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        All that “make believe” seems rather childish. Just like the MBN, the Make Believe Navey.

    • I understood that there was someone else called Mark, so people called him ‘Marty’ to avoid confusion.
      In the same way I have two friends known as ‘Dave’ and ‘Other Dave’ in certain circles.

    • MarcabExpat

      nickname

  • Draco

    Just listened to Marty’s 11th. Wouldn’t it be lovely if Larry Wright actually taped all his conversations with Marty? Now would be a good time to release them…in 6 minute bites.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    In my view, Marty(r) leaves some wiggle room when discussing the G.O. era vs the OSA era.

    Specifically he is saying you don’t mess with a judge *without* approval from the top. He doesn’t say, *you never mess with a judge.*

    So as long as you had approval from Miscavige, lots of messing about with Judges could occur. And in fact, per Marty(r)’s testimony, lots of Miscavige approved Judge messing did in fact happen.

    It’s another case of “We don’t do that anymore” while the real meaning is “We don’t do it any less, either.”

    • Tony Ortega

      Except that the point he’s making in the new video is not “Larry Wright suggested that a Scientology operative messed with a judge without headquarters OK.” The “HQ” thing is a red herring. Marty is definitely, flat-out saying that the Wollersheim judge was not harassed by Scientology because Scientology doesn’t mess with judges anymore.

      Don’t get confused by his bullshit.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I’m not. I think it just goes to the spin he tries to put on it. The red herring as you say.

        With his testimony under oath, his credibility of current statements is SOL. It seem these might be dead agent packs for those who will never read blogs or look at billboards but might have seen “Going Clear.” In fact it might be the best evidence yet that Scientologists are watching it on the down low.

  • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

    Marty’ sounds like the old non cooperative Scientology official that he used to be.

    Does he wish to retract any of his critical media content of past years, I wonder.

    Why doesn’t some media call and get his statement on why he’s sounding like the old Scientology official that he was?

    • Shivani33

      There is quite a substantial possibility that Rathbun is unable to receive or to respond to any communications coming from outside of the hole which he helped to dig for himself. Maybe his environment isn’t in his control. Does anyone know or have any facts or info about what Rathbun’s daily life is like right now? For example, where is he? What are his circumstances? Is he free to come and go from wherever he is, as he pleases? Can he drive to the grocery store, does he have a cellphone, is he in contact with anyone, aside from his video appearances? And what about his wife? The same questions apply. What are the answers?

      Aside from all of this, hello to you. After years of seeing your comments in many sources, please receive admiration and fondness, from me to you. Edit for spelling mistake.

  • chukicita

    Here’s a fun and relevant Childs/Tobin article from Nov. 2012 SP Times where Marty’s statement is referenced.

    “Church spokeswoman Karin Pouw called Dandar’s claims false and scandalous. Rathbun’s allegations “morph with each retelling,” she said.”

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientology-critics-allege-church-tried-to-influence-pinellas-legal/1262400

    • Little Brother Joey (3-7-77)

      In retrospect, that might just be the truest thing Pouw ever said.

      • salin

        Insert broken clock analogy. ; )

  • Draco

    Whatever deal Marty made with David Miscavige, part of it was getting Marty to dead-agent everyone who ever spoke out against scn. He’s also supposed to resurrect LRH’s “good name” as well as DM’s. In the process he is also supposed to dead-agent himself so that nobody ever believes a word that comes out of his mouth again. Or that ever came out of his mouth in the past. Unfortunately for Rathbun, much of what he has said in the past is a matter of court record. Which puts him in a precarious spot regarding perjury as Tony noted in his post.

    OR … he is so desperate to become relevant again that he will say any crap that gets him some attention. Even in the docs above, he takes credit for the LMP case being settled because HE blew and DM knew he was a loose cannon. WTF? A cannon so loose it ricocheted off into the abyss for 5 years and he disappeared so thoroughly that many thought he was dead! In fact, IIRC it was only when Jason Beghe found him and urged him to go public that he started speaking out.

    Very unattractive, that kind of self obsession and arrogance.

    • “part of it was getting Marty to dead-agent everyone who ever spoke out against scn”

      So we are in for a total of 2788 videos….

      http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Former_Church_of_Scientology_members_who_have_spoken_out

      • Draco

        Oy….

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      My review of the parts that are up so far:
      http://i.imgur.com/vdLE8dJ.gif

      • Draco

        😀

      • Draco

        Here’s one for you, NOLA – I think you will like it:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwRzjFQa_Og

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          *saved* I have this partially mastered but I need some work. LOL

          Thanks for the link honey. ❤️

          • Draco

            XX <3
            I myself am a work in progress. I found that after I turned 40 (many moons ago), I stopped giving f*cks in many areas.
            Still needs work, though

    • Jimmy3

      The whole “dead-agenting himself” angle is a catch-47 loop. If the dead-agenting is successful to the point where we can longer trust anything he says, then we cannot trust his dead-agent material to be genuine, thus rendering him a live-agent… at which point we revisit what he has said with fresh eyes, only to rediscover that is filthy with lies, and he is not to be trusted, this dead-agent. And so at that point, when you examine it from that perspective, you realize that—

      hopefully he will just shut up soon.

      • Draco

        IKR?! It’s like that first time in Math class when you come across the double negative!

      • So, future lawsuits should just go to his boss, Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige for depositions. Check.

    • abdaman

      I believe the 2nd….it should be possible to figure out if he has suddenly come into new material wealth. His old lawyers would also require a portion of it so he would be in more than a bit of trouble

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I wonder what Jason Beghe thinks of recent events – if he’s been following them.

  • salin

    Off Topic – but a headline that… well that long standing performance-y art tag line for Fox News “Fair and Balanced” – is being dropped. Some how fitting to share as we watch Marty mock his older writings in an effort (so he said i an early video) to get “the other side” of the story out. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/fox-news-is-dropping-its-fair-and-balanced-slogan.html

  • BillJ (Grumpyfootyfan)

    Wish I was in the USA I would report him for lying under oath !!

    • Or lying on YouTube.

      • BillJ (Grumpyfootyfan)

        It would be great to see him squirm actually.. admitting his videos were total BS !!
        Not sure what’s the best outcome.. Think in front of a Judge would be nicer..

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Yes. Actually these days when is Marty(r) not lying? If Marty(r) is ever called to testify again, either side can cast doubt. He was always been thought to be unreliable because he never came clean. He’s now opened his mouth and removed whatever former credibility he did have.

  • Sarcasmo

    I stopped watching Marty Mark’s videos after Pt 2 or 3, preferring to get the summaries here and at ESMB, but I still check out his YouTube page to keep an eye on his video’s view counts.

    It’s Thursday. 2 p.m. keeps getting closer and closer and Marty Mark’s stats are dropping faster than a lead balloon.

    He dropped over half of his viewers between Pts. 2 and 3, after which the rate of hemorrhaging declined, but it’s a dumpster fire over there. Since the ‘intro’ video released last week he’s lost at least 85% of his viewership; and the numbers keep dropping.

    I bet a certain someone’s gonna be mad and take out his aggression on the nearest living punching bag he can find.

    I’ve seen speculation over at ESMB that when MM is done with ‘Going Clear’ (whenever that is, I have no idea where he’s at as far as page count in the book) he’s coming after Tony and TUML next, since Tony is most likely one third of the Troika. Go after TO and PC sounds like a sound strategy. Lot of sympathy to be found going after a victim of both Nazis and $cientologists.

    What an ass clown.

  • Bavarian Rage

    HOWDYCON: Can anyone Periscope Steve’s and Claire’s presentations for us like last time? (While I deleted the app to create more room on my iPad, I’d be willing to ditch other apps and clean up my videos and photos to check in on you guys.)

    • Bavarian Rage

      Or equally happy to check things out after the fact if videotaped and posted somewhere.

      • dreamcatcher

        oh yes that would be great…… 🙂

    • Kim O’Brien

      i have it on good authority that there will be some sort of you tube / live feed thingy .

      2 brilliant men are taking care of that 🙂

      • disco george

        My ridiculous crush on Steve Cannane thanks you in advance. And the two brilliant men, of course.

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        Its a man’s world …under the authority and power of wonderwomen. 😉

  • WinningForever

    It’s hilarious to see ASC trying to defend it’s crimes. By pointing to material documents and courtroom testimony and even Marty’s “own words.” Guess what? None of that means shit. Marty is giving theta evidence based on knowingness. ASC due to it’s critical nature demands and only accepts material evidence because the hydra simply can’t grasp knowingness based on pure theta. ASC is stuck in the MEST world while Scientology is moving ever more away from the MEST Universe!

    I am tried of the bigotry of courts.The main way in which Scientology is discriminated against and the cause of it often losing unfairly in the courtroom is this insane reliance the WOG justice system has on MEST evidence and facts combined with an outright refusal to accept theta evidence or knowingness!! If you look at church’s record when theta evidence and knowingness has been allowed like for example during a Committee of Evidence. The Church comes on top every single time!! How can that be? Simple, theta evidence and knowingness are much more accurate and precise than any flimsy wishy washy MEST based evidence as any unbiased research will clearly and quickly reveal. The FOG Justice system, if it just took the step of accepting that knowingness and theta evidence trumps pathetic, easily falsifiable material evidence; and that step alone; would improve in delivery of actual justice by several orders of magnitude.simple matter of fact. You can’t handle the truth!! Son. You keep on bringing the Theta Evidence, Marty. It truly crushes any hope the merchants of chaos have of defending themselves in the eyes of those high enough on the tone scale to be, do, have theta evidence!

    I for one am happy to see Marty Winning Again and Forever which is the title of his next book.. He deserves it. From an early age as a being Marty has always fought for absolute truth through Black and White justice. Never accepting the notion of grey. His beingness is permeating the very fabric of theta which is causing the material universe to turn transparent to him. Some might say he has been transcended by god but the Scientologist would say he has transcended himself into a god through the glorious tech of the founder and NO!!! small thanks to the DM for purifying it in the forge of theta!!!!!!!!!!

    Which is how he can see through the fog of lies that are material evidence, recorded statements, etc. That are perjured into MEST history by the universe itself in an attempt to keep it from unraveling. It is the collective agreement that this universe be solid and in order to defend it self will manifest into being evidence and it’s adherents will with conviction believed that it happened that way. Don’t Fall for it!!! MEST LIES in order to stay solid and continue it’s existence! THETA never lies it is pure!! MEST must attack any being that starts to approach having an understand of it by rewriting the fabric of history. #resist

    Repent, now Overters!! For the judgment day cometh fast. Looking forward to join Marty, DM and LRH in the thetaverse.

    • Rasha

      “its”, not “it’s” existence.

      • GrangerFX

        Is that as far as you got?

        • Rasha

          Before giving up? Yep.

          • chukicita

            That has to be Arbara-Bay.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              It’s definitely dropped below the Schwarzschild radius.

            • GrangerFX

              It never got above the signal to noise ratio.

            • chukicita

              We’re soaking in it.

      • JaxNGold

        Please tell me this unhinged rant from WinningForever is sarcasm and/or satire.

        • TexasBroad

          That is my guess.

        • Rasha

          I’m going with that. Just had to throw that grammar bit in…. ^_^

          • califa007

            Speaking of grammar, how about spelling? WinningForever should try “tired”, not tried”. OK, I’m picky, but only sometimes.

            • EmmaDaoust

              dyslexia

        • Mick Roberts

          WinningForever wrote: “I am tried of the bigotry of courts.”

          Mick Roberts wrote: “I am tried of trying to figure out the trolls from the satirists.”

          • Mick Roberts

            PS. Although I must say, if WinningForever is a legitimate troll, he/she is a pretty funny one. I’ve seen worse…..

        • Graham

          I’m calling Poe’s Law on this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

        • sizzle8

          It’s sarcasm but, unfortunately, it’s too close to being exactly what those in the bubble think.

        • OOkpik

          Tap the avi and read the previous posts. S/he’s really quite funny.

          Winny, maybe shorten up the posts to avoid tl/dr.

        • Interested2

          God I hope so. I found it totally deranged.

        • Noesis

          It’s Poe’s Law in action.

          Winning and grinning.

          But is s/he joking?

          Lol.

  • 0tessa

    Part 12 is on (IRS)

    • That’s 13 videos… (including the ‘introduction’) so far. Will it never end?

  • Observer
    • Rasha

      Stop it! I’m at work!

    • Kristen

      My favorite meme of all time! ERMAHGERD!!!

    • JJ

      This, in poster size, on a person wearing signboard walking back and forth in front of Scientology org. Shut down in ten minus….

  • Rasha

    What does “Maiden Voyage #1” mean? How many maiden voyages can one boat have? And in a HOTEL? What, are they using Zarniwoop’s office?

    and what is all this crap…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/64f6d9509d49413857241e73831b4b5e0997c3711cd9a2144d389b5ffcf1e20a.jpg

    …around the borders of this flyer? Light rays? Water? Geometric shapes with lines? Is it meant to be a distraction? If this is the “Biggest Event of the Year”, I look forward to a pretty damned dismal 2Q 2017 for Scientology. #WorstFlierEvar

    • Techie

      Strictly speaking it is the Freewinds Maiden Voyage Anniversary 2017, first event. Usually called the Opening, it is often mercifully short but larded with hyperbole. But all the clubbed seals know all about that, and they know there will be phone calls harassing them to attend, so the flier is just a formality so they know the date.

      • Rasha

        Oh, cool! Then my birthday this year is Birthday #1!!! WOOOOO!!!!!! Gotta love Scientologocalness! ^_^ I may have a second one later this year, but only if everyone shows up and “donates”…..

        • ze moo

          You can have cake and Ice Cream and maybe pizza. I’ll see what Chuckie Cheese is charging…

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      It is imaginary thetans going as bubbles into the new dimensions of OT 9& 10 soon to be delivered on the Freewinds …that is if it doesn’t sink first…in which case it is the bubbles from the last gasps of operating thetans drowning in despair of an underwater bridge.

  • Watching how Marty speaks is interesting. (What he says? Not so much.)

    The pauses while he studies the Going Clear text have to be fake. It’s not like he’s just reading through the book for the first time, finding stuff to comment on. They have a list of things that they want denied or confused. What Marty says has been rehearsed and they’ll do another take if he doesn’t get it right. I wonder if there’s a signal when it’s okay to stop pretending to study and look up?

    From where he looks, he has a sheet with the Going Clear text in front of him, and he occasionally looks to his left of that for his points. When his head goes up or down, he’s very careful never to glance to the side at the camera or elsewhere. It’s straight from his interview focus point down to the page, and then back up.

    • The way in which he constantly makes reference to notes (or a script) is telling.
      He’s never needed that before.

    • PeaceMaker

      I think he just got some camera time, as the first video suggests, and is going through his notes about his particular obsession, the imperfections in Wright’s book, without any preparation.

      It looks to me like he’s probably got a legal pad to refer to, and beyond that is doing this off the cuff.

      As far as pauses it’s possible, that he’s starting to have cognitive difficulties, or at least showing basic “old timer’s disease” struggling to recall what he wants to. To me that that’s another flag that this is not really some prepared and orchestrated production, besides the curiously high video quality.

      • If the study time is real, then I think he’s using the time to re-frame what he’s going to say to the new narrative.

  • Once a boy named Mister Me bemoaned a great regret:
    “I’ve floundered in the misty sea but can’t abide its mystery
    I wound up sad, you bet”
    So onward go and Edward Ho into the bounding main
    Enjoy the show look out below but mind the misty sea
    Or end up sad like Mister Me

    He ended up sad
    He ended up sad
    He ended up really, really, really sad
    He ended up sad
    He ended up sad
    He ended up really, really, really sad

    So take the hand of Mister Me and, mister, make him glad
    To swim the Mister Misty Sea and cease the Mister Mystery
    That, mister, made him sad

    He ended up sad
    He ended up sad
    He ended up really, really, really sad
    He ended up sad
    He ended up sad
    He ended up really, really, really sad
    (They Might Be Giants)

    • Kim O’Brien

      wish you were joining us at howdycon 🙁

      • Thanks again for the kind thought.

  • Damn! I sooooo wish Chris Shelton’s preview of the Scientology DOX had been available years ago. Speaking as a never-in It would have saved me so much time. I hate to think of the hours spent wading through and, even worse, trying to make sense of 100 proof L Ron Hubbard dribble.

    If I may be so bold, I suggest that there are only two Scientology “scriptures” required to understand Scientology. If you want to know about how L Ron Hubbard actually pulled the levers required to run his Scientology scam, read his Brainwashing Manual. If you want to understand L Ron Hubbard, read his “Affirmations”.

    Everything else is detail 🙂

    [Edit to clarify for those who asked on another forum]

  • downtherabbithole

    I have had more than my fill of Marty after the first 2 videos and stopped watching. What I really want to know is where is Tony “traveling again today” to?

    Is this a much deserved pleasure trip or a future story in the works? This inquiry mind wants to know!

  • Todd Tomorrow

    I’ve been gone for awhile and just have a quick question. Does anybody know if mark has disconnected from his old buddies? Does he still talk to Rinder? When will he be entering the hospital for the criminally insane?

    • Does anyone still go to him for independent auditing?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Jesus, is he really back playing with those cans?

        • That was the supposed reason that the ‘squirrel busters’ came for him – because he was offering auditing to ‘repair the damage’ done by CofS ‘corrupted tech’.

          I don’t know when/if he stopped doing that and would like to know too.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Well he claimed later that he was never auditing people. I wonder if even he knows the truth anymore.

            • Maybe it was Indy Sec-Checking? That’s not auditing.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              He He!

            • Robert Eckert

              Or Assessment Assessment Assessment, that is never auditing, that is finding something *to* audit!

            • Yes… those hats and t-shirts actually read, ‘Marty is not a squirrel’ and Scientologists were following him around to protect him.

              He turned the lawn sprinklers on them as a favour because it was a very hot day.

            • Jeb Burton

              An Indy remarked that he only charged half of what the church did.

            • And probably only ‘handled advanced cases’ – aka the most lucrative.
              That’s still a very big pile of money.

            • Jeb Burton

              If I recall correctly, it was $2000. They said corporate charged $10,000. An ex can maybe confirm or correct me.

            • An hour? 🙂

            • Jeb Burton

              I don’t know how it works.

            • Lulu Belle

              Where does he claim that? He talks about auditing in early posts on his blog.

          • PeaceMaker

            Interesting question, indeed.

            I suspect that he lost his following, partly due to ruining his credibility, more than deliberately stopping. And, as seems to so often happen in the independent field, interest just petered out.

            He did seem at one point to have decided that the “tech” was so imbued with flaws including control techniques, that there was nothing to salvage. Though he might still, like a number of old-timers who seem to have quietly come to the same conclusion, do some very basic “Book One” auditing, maybe even without an e-meter, which is then really more just Rogerian client-centered therapy than Hubbard or Scientology work.

    • org-rat 1003

      Aaron levin Smith, who is friends with Rinder, wasn’t specific but said Rathbun one day, about a year ago I think, completely ditched virtually all his best long time friends without saying a word to them. I can’t remember his exact words but it’s on one of the new videos.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Starting to make more sense now. Isn’t that around the time they ditched the law suit?

        • org-rat 1003

          A bit before the end of it oddly.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            So are any of us more inclined to think now that they took a secret payoff or were threatened into dropping the case?

            • Not threatened. I think he may have decided that the case gave him a bargaining lever with Miscavige.

              He decided to dump his lawyers (because he resented them achieving something he couldn’t and didn’t want to pay them) and made his own (inevitably bad) deal.

              That’s consistent with ‘disconnecting’ from people who would be disappointed in a friend who had assured them he would never, ever, sell out.

              However, Tony has warned that looking for rational explanations for the actions of a fundamentally irrational man might be misleading…

  • org-rat 1003

    In the scientologists at war documentary Rathbun stated that the RPF was a “prison detail” and a “behaviour modification camp” “essentially”. He also said the IRS back taxes crisis was a “life or death” situation for the ‘church’. I think Miscavige wants to use these current videos as internal propaganda to the effect that scientology critics make up all this negative stuff up : but I believe it will backfire because Scientologists, in order to feel wise and superior (and because they now feel immune to the entheta because it’s been recanted publicly by the very person who originated it) they will allow themselves to be exposed to things Rathbun has put out up until recently as well, and this will expose them to evidence and people they’ve never heard of before but can’t help but think about. I can even imagine Tom Cruise watching an old marty rathbun video just to ‘laugh at his lies” because they can’t hurt him anymore (I know this is inconsistent with Hubbard dogma but most scientology behaviour is inconsistent with Hubbard dogma because it’s too erroneous to be consistent with), but he won’t feel as swell as he thought he would.

    • “Scientologists at War”, was the film that featured the incredible, comical, squirrel busters. Those were the days when the fiendish ASC supported Marty. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/02/03/scientologists-at-war/

      Watching it again, you can’t help but notice the relish and engagement that Marty displays when arguing with them – and observe him trying to be a “badass” again.

    • Tony Ortega

      Thanks for that reminder. I need to get that quote of his about the RPF from that film.

      • org-rat 1003

        It’s between six and seven minutes in (I think the youtube video I found that finally let me view it cut a little bit off the beginning so that’s approx), definitely worth reviewing. P.S Your article about Valeska Paris was very interesting. I can’t remember her but I used to play with her little brother Raphael in Saint hill when I was a kid. I knew that the kids who lived in Stonelands hated it but I had no idea they had to endure those kinds of conditions. I used to mis-pronounce it ‘Stolens’ cause I honestly thought that was what they were saying. Thank you for doing what you do every day exposing the cult AND its BS “Tech”.

    • PeaceMaker

      That’s a good catch, for material to use in making critical comparisons.

      Unfortunately, I think the evidence is that between lacking critical faculties and being deep in denial, the remaining scientologists lack any ability to see the contradictions between what the speaker or video in front of them is saying, and past statements or even present-time evidence in the world around them (like the empty orgs).

      • org-rat 1003

        It’s precisely because a scientologist has critical faculties that he or she can’t bare exposure to evidence: otherwise they could all be
        given going clear the book at an event, read it and just deny its truth: Its not that they are exposed to such things but disagree its that they disagree with being exposed to such things. I know what you’re saying is also true I didn’t intend such a black and white, un – nuanced reply, it just sort of happened.

  • AntoniaW

    I’m one of those who are fascinated by the Marty horror show. I see the value in Tory Christman’s comments to the effect that we musn’t let him fulfil his aim to distract from the wider battle against the Cherch, but if this is a distraction, it’s not working. It highlights so much that is wrong with Scientology: the way it screws with Marty, its sinister reach, whether through corruption or coercion. The Marty story to me seems to be a perfect microcosm of Hubbard World in all its ugliness.

    • MarcabExpat

      Yeah, it seems important. It’s like a real-time documentary of how they attack people. I’m sure it’ll heat up as Aftermath gets underway. Hey, on this timetable, he should get around to debunking Aftermath by the turn of the decade!

      • Observer

        You know what I’d like to see? Leah and Marty in the same room.

        • stanrogers

          You can’t really believe they are secretly the same person, can you?

          • Observer

            🤔🤔

            • stanrogers

              That didn’t come across, but I choose to imagine something that was potentially rather rude, delivered in what I’ll interpret as a tongue-in-cheek fashion. To which my reply is: couldn’t be helped, I’m afraid.

            • Observer
            • EmmaDaoust

              I need that for my phone. Lord knows what kind of inappropriate emojis I’ve sent because I can’t see ’em.

            • MarcabExpat

              This is a secret worry of mine. I have such a huge library, and most of them I’m afraid to use because I might be sending a different message than I intend.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Along with my Bunker brand computer screen and keyboard protectors (for those nasty spills) I’m inventing an emoji magnifying glass for us old fogeys. I’m going to make a killing.

            • MarcabExpat

              Now that’s thinking outside the [] !

            • ExCult.Jan

              Here’s my preorder.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Thank you for your payment, ECJ. And here’s your products. All transparent and see-through. What? You don’t see anything? Well they’re right here. I guess you can’t see them because they’re see-through, you know, invisible like.

            • ExCult.Jan

              It’s a magnifying glass, right? It should be see-through.
              Please send me 47 more.
              Send invoice to Marty Rathbun, who is also see-through.

            • stanrogers

              Ah, that’s different. (Must be a custom character set/unicode point.) I always aim to be thought-provoking. You’d be surprised how many unprovoked thoughts there are out there.

            • MarcabExpat

              I was sending my husband emojis for a solid year before I knew his phone wasn’t displaying them. He said, “I dunno, I just figured sometimes you sent me boxes.”

            • Robert Eckert

              Big gifs come in small boxes.

            • Observer

              Hahaha!

            • Kestrel

              Been there. I was getting boxes from a friend and finally told her some of her attachments were unreadable on my phone.

            • I know, they’re so bloody confusing. The other day I brought home a box of peaches and a box of eggplants. The beloved didn’t seem very pleased at all. I told my niece about this who, after falling over laughing, explained it to me.

              Live and learn. 🙂

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              That’s hilarious Marcab! And TOTALLY something my hubs would do (not say anything & just sort of shrug it off)!

        • Chee Chalker

          Or Mike and Marty in the same room debating these issues

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            As soon as I read “Mike and Marty in the same room” I immediately thought of that eyeroll look Mike gets sometimes.
            Somehow in the face of what Marty’s been spewing of late, I don’t see Mile doing much debating. JUST That look and then responding, “Now THAT’S provable bullshit!”

        • MarcabExpat

          Guess who Id put my money on.

        • Alice Graves

          I’d give my left kidney to see that.

    • Newiga

      Horror show is a good term for all of this. In fact, I might go one step further and call i a horror farce. Sad… I feel sorry for all those people he’s let down and stabbed in the back. 🙁

  • Kestrel

    So, all Bay Area Orgs and Scientologists are instructed to meet at the Fairmont Hotel in San Jose for the Maiden Voyage #1 event. I guess they didn’t need a basketball arena to handle the tens of thousands who will show up.

  • Once Marty is done with Going Clear, will he move on to My Scientology Movie, or will it be Leah Remini and Aftermath season 2?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Probably going to try and monetize his Youtube channel,since his writing career won’t pay the light bill. Such a fool.

      • I think he’s already monetized himself.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Taking a little cream off the top of the IAS, eh?

    • bixntram

      I’d like to see him discuss Jon Atak’s or Russell Miller’s or Chris Shelton’s books. Never happen.

    • PeaceMaker

      Good question.

      My take is that the indications in the first video can be taken at face value, and Rathbun essentially traded his collaboration in some unknown new documentary project, for the camera time to go over his obsessions with Wright’s work – which he somehow views as being the essential “why,” according to scientological blame and conspiracy theory, of the deluge of critical material that came after. I doubt that the current batch of professional footage has anything more to it than possibly some short and general jabs at later material. Then question then would be, if this would fire him up enough to do some self-produced work.

      That leads to the question, is Rathbun really so delusional, that he thinks that trying to attack Wright’s work will somehow undermine everything that came after, including what’s forthcoming such as the new season of Aftermath? That may seem far-fetched – but it fits with the Hubbardian theory he longer operated on, the same sort of operating basis that nonetheless produces all the foot-bullets and the related inability to adapt to feedback and outcomes generated in the real world.

      • Every time Scientology follows people around, they claim that they’re making a documentary, maybe that’s the documentary project?

  • villagedianne

    In case nobody has said so yet, Happy Birthday Leah Remini!!!

    • Rasha

      WOOOO!!! <3

      …also Neil Patrick Harris, btw…. Just's sayin'.

      • Chee Chalker

        I do love him

  • Jimmy3

    So in Part 12 he downplays and dismisses the significance of their efforts in the early 90s to win Scientology’s tax exempt status, because it had already been acknowledged as a religion in the 50s and 60s.

    I’m guessing that flashy “THE WAR IS OVER” celebration in 1993 was actually just pizza and ice cream in a small break room at Int Base? Maybe a couple high fives?

    • Draco

      Bazinga!!

    • Yes – they had a little umbrella in their rice and beans.

      • Ben Franklin

        The Ozone layer suffered greatly that night

    • Noesis

      Right.

      And Hubbard’s never overturned tax court judgment of personal inurement from church monies apparently didn’t matter.

      If Hubbard had not died, it would have been nearly impossible for the church to regain tax exempt status, unless he came clean or left the church (for real.)

      Marty must think that no one else has any familiarity with the actuality of the way things really happened versus the sad shore stories he and the church have forwarded over the years.

      • PeaceMaker

        That’s the real point, the inurement. Though I think there remains some lingering question about whether Scientology is really a religion as generally understood – particularly given its current drift towards being all about money and financial “status” even at the lowest organizational levels.

        The most undeniably authentic religion on the planet, would not get tax exemption if its leadership were inuring themselves, or if it were guilty of other violations of IRS requirements.

        • Noesis

          As you know, the IRS does not make determinations on the legitimacy / illegitimacy of “religions.” They do not rule on matters of religion – or whether a religion is “real” or not. They are prohibited by Congress, via the Constitution, from doing so.

          What the IRS does do, is make determinations as to whether or not a putative religion (or other organization claiming one or more of several forms of tax exemption) is actually acting in compliance with the rules that exist to approve / deny such tax exemption, based on IRS regulations, which flow from statutes, which are passed by Congress.

          It was on that issue (compliance with tax regulations) that Scientology was stripped of its tax exemption because Hubbard and his family took money from church operations and could not provide affirmative evidence that such taking was in compliance with IRS regulations.

          Most still-in Scientologists still do not know this, or choose to believe that the revocation of non-profit status of the (then) COS CA was some sort of “government conspiracy” to harm the church.

          A very large percentage of still-in Scientologists do not know that it was Hubbard himself, along with his family, that was the target of the investigation that led to the revocation of church tax exemption. The written (and publicly available) rulings in the original tax court hearings and all subsequent appeals make this very clear. It was not (and still is not) ambiguous at all.

          Hubbard was (originally) found in violation of the regulations prohibiting private personal gain from church operations and the church did lose its tax exemption because of that finding.

          Those rulings were NEVER overturned and only Hubbard’s 1986 death made them less relevant so that in the 90’s the church eventually regained tax exemption.

          • PeaceMaker

            Noesis, you are certainly right about the technical distinctions; I was just trying to make a point based on more general understanding. There are a number of bases for the IRS to determine that a group isn’t acting like a church, or a religious organization, based on general presumptions that have been codified in law and regulation, though they don’t specifically rule on religion itself. It’s also worth noting that a group can be downgraded from a church to various other religious or non-profit categories that have different reporting and tax consequences, short of completely denying exemption.

            Also, if I recall correctly, Scientology’s agreement with the IRS to get its tax exemption back, included actually reversing some of Hubbard’s inurement, such as transferring assets from his estate or for-profit entities to some of the main non-profit church entities.

            • Noesis

              Scientology is (putatively) organized and operated as a 501 (C) (3) corporation, as are most religions in the U.S., for income tax purposes. The status is designated by the IRS for corporations that are operated primarily for exempt charitable purposes.

              The IRS defines that status here: https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/exemption-requirements-section-501-c-3-organizations

              The IRS did NOT declare that Scientology was a religion and it is prohibited from doing so.

              IIRC – In the mid 80’s the U.S. Supreme Court let stand a District Court ruling that affirmed that Scientology met a regional test for establishing its religious bona fides, but it did not grant tax exemption.

              The church often issues statements conflating the two events above to confuse people into believing that the IRS ruled “Scientology is a religion.” It did not rule as such, and cannot do so by law. They can only rule as to whether or not an organization is organized and and operated (per the applicable regulations) for exempt charitable purposes.

              Scientology settled all of it’s past federal tax bills for $12.5 million in 1993 according to a leaked (summary) copy of the IRS closing agreement published by the WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB883442034399201000 (paywall)

              The NYT published in an excellent 1997 recap of the machinations leading up to the IRS / Scientology settlement and a link to that article is here: http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/09/us/scientology-s-puzzling-journey-from-tax-rebel-to-tax-exempt.html

              That is what happened. The IRS did not / can not rule on the legitimacy of a “religion” and they did not do so in the case of Scientology.

              Statements to the contrary are church propaganda, or unknowingly forwarded by others – based on church propaganda.

    • ze moo

      Int Base isn’t Chuckie Cheese, it’s more like Stasi Land or North Korean Gulag.

  • Chris Mann

    Correct me if I’m wrong here, but in the video he was talking about harassment of the Wollersheim judge. A specific claim. You’re saying he’s lying because he admitted to trying to influence other judges. Not the same thing.
    I thought the IRS thing was pretty nit picky on Marty’s part, but technically “facing a tax bill” does sound like a potential liability and not an assessment. But that’s pretty trivial. He’s going through and trying to find faults in the book and some of them are minor.
    I’m not saying he’s telling the truth about everything. I have no way to know that.
    His speech reminds me of how Rinder and others used to talk in the church, denying things. Saying it’s “utter rubbish” and stuff like that. Looking right in the camera and saying it’s absolutely false. Categorically false, etc.
    I’m not sure what’s going on.
    If you do know I don’t understand why you wouldn’t just out with it.

    • Tony Ortega

      He said, in 2017, that the Wollersheim judge was not harassed because OSA didn’t “mess with” judges.

      In 2015, under oath, he laid out an OSA operation that sought to mess with numerous judges, and he claimed that it was successful.

      In the new video, he’s lying.

      • Chris Mann

        I’m not sure what “mess with” means. Did he say in the deposition pet murder and harassment of Wollerstein judge? Influence and harassment different things. I get your point, but just being real specific I can’t agree that he exposed as lying here.

      • Chris Mann

        Was Rinder head of OSA at that time?

      • Chris Mann

        If he was it puts him in a tough spot

        • Chris Mann

          ..because what’s he going to do? Confirm that he was involved in harassment of a judge including kidnapping/pet murder?

  • Mat Pesch

    In 1985 the cherch was trying all kinds of angles to influence Judge Donald Londer in the Julie Titchbourne case in Portland. Scientologists were sent to his church to sing in the choir and talk about the injustice of the case. Scientologists were sent to do similar things to the friends of the wife of the Judge with the idea it would indirectly get back to the Judge and put pressure on him. That was common knowledge to us little guys sent to Portland to help fight the case. I’m sure Marty has tons of information regarding efforts to influence that Judge and many others over the years.

  • lynn

    Pg 1 Line 16-17 “Look, I was one of the first responders to this Lisa McPherson situation” . Really Marty? You must’ve felt like the hero you always dreamed you were. First responders are known as EMT’s, police, firefighters and others with the backbone to be brave enough to put their own safety at risk in order to help their fellow humans. You Marty, are No hero.

    • Agreed. He was one of the first people to be brought in to cover up a death that was due to the abusive behaviour of the CofS and David Miscavige personally. This hardly makes you a ‘first responder’.

    • Interested2

      Just like those amazing firefighters in London a couple of days ago when a 24story block of flats went up in flames, and is today a smoking shell

      • lynn

        except that marty is more like the building itself, a charred shell ready to collapse on its own foundation taking with it the bodies that couldn’t escape and can no longer speak for themselves.

        • Interested2

          Beautifully put. I was not comparing Marty to the fire fighters, sorry if it read wrong. I was giving examples of true courage. Marty escaped the hole within days because he is a bully and a coward.

    • Chee Chalker

      That’s also a contradiction of what Marty has said earlier. He said he was working ‘off lines’ in the carpentry shop (IIRC) and that after the Lisa McPherson situation blew up, Marty was instructed to go to a pay phone and await Dave’s call.

      And by that time everything was screwed up and Marty had to come and save the day.

      • Syd

        That’s the way I remember it too. He said he saw her at the Ft. Harrison acting odd and saying she was clear and he reported this but was told to stay away from the situation. Later, DM called him up to “bail them out” after Lisa had passed and they were in a panic about what to do.

        • lynn

          yes, I remember seeing /reading that…because it seemed he was distancing himself from the actual timeline of her death and having to come in and clean up the mess others had made, but he never did say what he actually did with the log & missing entries from the ft. harrison hotel.

  • Vanfan

    what is his motivation for this sudden 180. That’s what I’m curious about

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Theories are plentiful: 1. He sees that anti-Scientology movement is doing too much harm to his preciousness tech and that if that it were to continue unchallenged that the tech would be damaged and no one would ever use it again. 2. He thinks that he can get back into the good graces with Miscavige and somehow take him out thus he will be able to save scientology. 3. He has a given up on the Tech and has decided that nothing matters. So you might as well sell your soul to the devil and live out your days in material comfort.

      • BosonStark

        Although something could happen to change my opinion, I’m going with #3, but for a different reason. It’s not that nothing matters, it’s that things which used to matter to him don’t. Miscavige has the resources to make his life a struggle, if not a living hell at times. He wants to live the rest of his life in peace.

        Marty knows that these criticisms of GOING CLEAR are not going to hurt Wright. The book was already a big success and still selling many times more copies on a monthly basis than Dianutty.

        Sure, what Marty is claiming is going to anger some people, and maybe even hurt a few, but no where near as much as they’ve already been harmed by Scientology. Marty is dead agenting himself, in what I suspect will eventually be a complete withdrawal from any public comment about Scientology.

    • Lulu Belle

      Well…where did he get $100K to put down on a house in 2015 and how did he pay whatever costs there were (which can be very steep) for the adoption of his son? When he hasn’t actually worked….ever? Either writing an obscure blog and a few vanity books is much more lucrative than it seems like it would be, or there’s some other source of income.

      Let’s face it. More often than not, everything comes down to money.

      • Robert Eckert

        He did have a job, as a furniture salesman, and his wife is in the medical field, don’t know how well paid but better than him probably.

        • Lulu Belle

          Well, don’t forget…these was a period of time when Monique quite her job to work for/with Marty in his auditing practice. And, yes, she’s in the medical field but her job never sounded super high paying; she’s not a brain surgeon or anything. Being able to adopt a child and put that much down on a house never seemed to add up with their known sources of income.

          I could be wrong but it never seemed kosher to me.

          • Robert Eckert

            I had not heard of her quitting her job. In the “Anna from around here” video she is talking as if Marty’s auditing practice was something she had nothing to do with.

            • Lulu Belle
            • Robert Eckert

              Very odd. Her lawsuit complained, among other things, of a dildo mailed to her place of work, after the date of this post.

            • Lulu Belle

              She did go back to work. Not sure how long after this. But she definitely did quit to work with Marty for a period of time.

            • Robert Eckert

              OK. I missed that part. I didn’t make a point of reading every Marty post even when his blog was better.

          • Kim O’Brien

            you are wrong – at least about the job thing . She was in administration( health Information Management ) and they can make up to $90k ( all depending ) Not too sure how anyone would know what someone put down on a house ( but whatever ) but $100k can be raised by selling another property or a bunch of other ways .

            I’m not too keen on the idea that a woman can’t buy her own freaking house .

            • Lulu Belle

              OK, maybe you’re right and her income paid for all of it. I’ve heard about the $100K paid down on the house before (don’t remember where) and it was in Steve Mango’s recent video.

  • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

    “…Marty is leaving himself very little wiggle room…”

    I hope that people are archiving these videos and would make them public if Marty is subjected to criminal or civil court cases in the future. These videos are suitable evidence, something these dimwits — I’m talking about Trump’s tweets as well as these Scientology dimwits — don’t seem to understand.

  • BosonStark

    Is it possible Miscavige missed Marty’s transformation from rabid critic of Miscavige and what Marty called “corporate Scientology,” while being an indie Scientologist and Hubbard apologist, who then transformed into a critic of Scientology and Hubbard? It’s that last phase that Marty is ignoring. He’s not offering any explanation for the change from critic of Scientology, to attack the critic, or attack the attacker, in Scientology terms.

    It’s as if Marty were on a debate team and assigned a side to argue, and the viewpoint contradicts what he believes personally and has expressed in public in the recent past.

    Does Miscavige get the absurdity of Marty now criticizing Lawrence Wright and ex-members he interviewed for his book, acting like he was the only credible witness on what took place in Scientology, including what went on before Marty was even in Scientology? Yeah, Wright should have taken everything Marty said as the way things were and not even bothered to interview other people. And if that isn’t enough, Marty is contradicting things he himself said in legal proceedings or to the media.

    In this series, Marty has not accounted for his transformation from critic of Hubbard and Scientology to critic of Scientology critics. There’s not one word about that. I guess we are supposed to accept that Marty has reached a point where he doesn’t mind discrediting himself in this manner for money from Miscavige.

    In this video series, Marty keeps breaking into a half-smile of knowingness, as if he’s just pointed out the obvious folly of Wright or others — anyone but himself. It is an expression I can’t remember seeing him do before in videos, especially to this extent. It’s kind of like a performance where he’s trying to look sincere, but at the same time he’s uncomfortable.

    Marty was certain about Scientology having all the answers. Then he was certain about Scientology having a lot of the answers but David Miscavige was practicing reverse Dianetics, and was the Dave-il himself, as one comment here today said. Then Marty knew all the reasons Scientology was helpful in some ways but mostly a scam and trap. And now Marty knows everything about how the critics of Scientology have it all wrong. What’s next?

  • Noesis

    “…Marty Rathbun: Is he lying now, or was he lying then?…”

    Well…it’s Marty talking so lying happens.

    Marty is dead-agenting himself…and also remaking himself into a possible co-conspirator in the on-going crime wave of Scientology by possibly making statements that he knows are untrue in order to conceal crimes and torts he may have knowledge of.

    If he is doing the above knowingly, willfully and intentionally, then he could become a personal target for both civil and criminal remedies.

    Marty may be doing all of this on his own because he’s had a change of heart (unlikely) or because he gains financially by doing it…or he may be the victim of an elaborate Miscavige ploy to get Marty to so seriously discredit himself as a future witness / whistleblower that anything he says AND anything he has ever said is viewed as the words of a dishonorable liar.

    Either way, Marty has made himself into a pariah (one of Hubbard’s favorite terms.) Because the church has done this before with major critics, there is reason to believe it has now being done to Marty…whether he knows it or not.

    Again, the irony.

  • lars hanson

    legal documents are a real “bitch” hey Marty!! Going back to what you know best…. re-joining the likes of the lil dictator———- lie, cheat and steal…..it’s not “purty” Marty…………………..remember what your Mentor. L.Con Blubbard said—- “there’s only one thing that can pierce thru 9 inch armor plate?”

    What fascinates me even more about L.Con…. is how he kept “meticulous” care of his teeth…. check out the video they made of him back in the 60’s. Granada productions! I have to find out what he said to do to keep my teeth in such fascinating shape!! 😉 https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTW9SHZXX8eoIpBElMxuQyozAG5Q8XF6qPnGMdDAGeUmlpug8Zo

  • Serena Romeo

    I completely understand the laughter, derision and anger towards Marty…but I do think we’re seeing someone whose mind has become unhinged. Too many inconsistencies, too many loose ends and tell tale signs in verbal tics and body language. My years of being a social worker & therapist kick in when I watch him and I almost flinch waiting for the gunshot.

    • Syd

      Well, he sure doesn’t seem to be exactly happy about this place he’s brought himself to and I can’t believe he is OK with the lies (and he knows he’s lying) he’s spewing. Having been in the evil psych industry myself I agree – he seems a bit mentally fragile.

    • Observer

      That’s how Scientology helps people.

    • Trouble is, you can’t compare his present behaviour with the way he was in the CofS. If you could, you might conclude that he was crazy, but not unstable.

      I see his obvious discomfort in those videos as a man who is very stressed about having to say a lot of humiliating things to keep up his end of a deal.

      We also have to remember that all of the ‘parts’ which are now being drip-fed were probably taken from a day or two’s shooting (his constant reference to notes suggests that he didn’t have much time to prepare).

      You can’t diagnose a person on the basis of their behaviour during a very stressful, but relatively short, ‘interview’.

      • Serena Romeo

        I didn’t offer a diagnosis or compare behaviors…just expressing my own reaction based on working with clients who are skating a fine line between reality and psychosis. He displays some of the classic symptoms & if my client had a history of a parent and sibling committing suicide along with another sibling with Schizophrenia as Marty does then it would raise my antennae further.

        • I understand that – but he was ever thus.

          You can see images and video of him addressing Scientology ‘events’ in his ‘Inspector Generals’ faux naval uniform. Those would certainly set your antennae a-quiver.

          If you could have seen the way he behaved when (by his own admission) he ordering the written records of Lisa McPherson’s incarceration destroyed, and bullied all and sundry in order to cover up Scientology’s part in her death, those antennae might have caught fire. Just being able to justify that kind of thing to yourself is not a healthy state of mind, let along doing it.

          in my view, it’s the social situation of Scientology that is insane. It traps people in it, and makes them act out that institutional insanity. Marty is still living in that world internally, despite having walked away from it years ago.

          Consequently, it’s generally a mistake to see the behaviour of Scientologists in terms of personal pathology. I understand your educated concern – but I think it’s more likely that this is just a man who has been trapped again and is now regretting his actions.

          • Serena Romeo

            I have no experience with the pathology of Scientologists so would have to defer to you in that area. I only know that mental illness, whatever the cause, takes many forms and can go untreated for years. But in the end, we find ourselves in a desperate place doing desperate things. You don’t have to be a mental health professional to know that the person in those videos is not stable.

            • Neither do I.

              What I’m saying is that I’ve heard arguments that put the power of Scientology down to their supposedly recruiting inherently vulnerable people.

              However, it seems that exes come from all walks of life, and include clever, capable people whose mental health was never in question – a cross-section of the general population, in fact.

              What they needed most, by way of treatment, was to remove themselves from a toxic social situation.

              I also know people who have had severe mental heath issues – several who suffer from anxiety and depression and two schizophrenics. I understand and agree with what you say about people in the real world with undiagnosed and untreated conditions that desperately need qualified treatment.

              What I’m pointing out is that it can be difficult, even for an experienced professional to tell the difference between dysfunctional states of mind that come from within, and those which are generated by a toxic social situation.

              In other words, are the red flags in see Mary displaying exogenous or endogenous?

            • Serena Romeo

              I’m not offering a professional assessment and have no clue about the cause…simply my gut reaction. I see a cluster of symptoms in short increments that together are warning signs in unstable patients–anxiety, intellectual impairment, paranoia, grandiosity, Verbal tics, flat affect…which I base on long pauses, stumbling over words, dry mouth, head tremors, lack of expression, trouble concentrating, repetition of words/phrases,…Again, this isn’t a psychological assessment, it’s merely an impression.

            • As I say… he was ever thus.

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              “In other words, are the red flags in see Mary displaying exogenous or endogenous? ”

              I would have to say it is some of both and it fluctuates in most in accordance with the exogenous aspect. Afaceinthecrowd of ESMB although I don’t remember him or anyone else giving anymore than a tiny bit about Marty’s behaviour before scientology. The glimmer of hope I saw seemed to coincide with his being with Monique and some of his posters of sensibility on his blog. He seemed to be improving but the external pressures occurring during the squirrel busters time one could see him getting worse and we really don’t know much about the more remote controlled under the radar that surely OSA was doing finally got to both him and Monique.
              All the habits formed during his OSA activity would of course be hard to let go of or replace in his life. I wouldn’t thusly see him as a complete diehard sociopath because he does seem to want to improve (although sociopaths can be very cunning at constructing such and apparency) and may well have helped people who came to the shack.
              But up against the baggage of his cultic authoritative positions and the almost guaranteed subterfuge by the sociopathic scientology criminal cult machine it is not at all surprising to see him fighting to reacquire some self identity.
              Very unfortunately, the fairly significant sociopathic endogenic traits added to the purely sociopathic pressures of a pure sociopath and his machine are what we are seeing, a near complete submersion of a social Marty and expression of malignant narcissism.

              This is WHY. Remove the extremely vile and sociopathic hubbard cloned cult and DM from the scene and Marty would have a chance.

              Disclaimer:
              I have no training whatsoever in the mental health field.

  • Mark Fulton

    The big question for me is what audience is Marty playing to? His assertions are easily confronted from many Internet sources, even his own blog. As many others have asserted here, his audience are the $cn members ‘on the fence’ to make sure they stay in.

    I expect these videos will be bundled up and shown later. But one question remains for me: why are they being released on his blog site and YouTube? Would it not be better to simply keep them internal and not risk $cientologists being exposed to ‘entheta’ by visiting ‘wog’ sites?

    • Because Marty’s value to Scientology, if he is addressing UTRs and those ‘on the fence’, is the illusion that he is a critic who has realised that the critical community is a cult, and that there is no help there.

      If he appeared on Scientology sites from the get-go, it would be obvious that he had been turned.

      Besides, the CofS will want to keep some distance between themselves and Marty’s pronouncements. Then, if it doesn’t work, or backfires, they can discard him.

      Finally, they are aiming at people whom they are afraid are already visiting entheta sites, and are trying to limit the damage.

    • Probably an audience of one: David Miscavige.

      • ReneeG

        Jinx.

    • ReneeG

      It is an audience of one– David Miscavige. It’s his public display of capitulating. The question is WHY? Just for money, or is there some other game afoot? His ego is way too big for him to so publicly cry “uncle” without a substantial reason. I think it’s possible he is playing a game of his own aimed at Miscavige himself. Whatever it is, these two are, after all these years, still focused on mindfucking each other.

    • PeaceMaker

      What’s the intended audience of any crank conspiracy theorist posting stuff from his basement, like the flat earth videos?

      I don’t know that Rathbun is much different – though I know that many see a sophisticated conspiracy in it.

  • Chee Chalker

    Here’s another question – when is it EVER ok to attempt to influence judges?
    Marty says you couldn’t do so without approval from HQ.
    So does that mean that, on occasion, HQ would approve meddling with judges?

    It’s ok as long as HQ (David Miscavige) says it is?

    I know the entire argument is a bunch of bull, but really. You think hey would have prepped Marty a litttle better.

    • Rasha

      Exactly. It must be okay, as long as “Church HQ” says so.

  • Sherbet

    Tony says, “Oh, and one more question, Marty. Why did you give Dani Lemberger’s private email to the Church of Scientology to use against him in litigation? How about just answering that simple question?”

    What Tony left out: “We’ll let you know if he gets back to us.”

    • Rasha

      …because he knows better….. -_^

    • That weird day when they all return Tony’s calls…

      Marty and cannibals, pouw-historic animals
      Everybody happy as the cult phone home
      Big black nemesis, parthenogenesis
      No one move a muscle as the cult phone home

      • Sherbet

        😀

        ETA: In addition to learning a lot about scientology in the Bunker, I’ve learned about bands I’d never heard of before.

      • stanrogers

        Ball of confusion. That’s what the world will be that day. Hey hey.

      • Techie

        I wish they would call him. He would probably fairly report what they say. Hey, OSA Bunker scanners, pass it on to Dave – Tony wants to hear your side too. Sure, he will fact check it and point out the obvious fabrications, so you’d better make sure you tell the truth. I guess it will never happen, like the guy with the melting face at the end of “Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail”. The truth would burn them so badly it could never pass their lips. https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/facts-about-indiana-jones-and-the-last-crusade-20-photos-5.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=599

      • LeakLurkLol

        Red phone or yellow?
        http://i.imgur.com/NnMJv42.jpg?2

  • Kaarli Makela

    Under the category of A Picture Paints A Thousand Words:
    Contrast Marty’s countinance on the left and on the right.
    Practically schizoid, the difference!

    • ze moo

      Age and stress can do that.

  • lars hanson

    Hey Marty………………………stop dancing with the devil……you’re losing! Come clean…..remember what your Mentor said…… There’s only ONE thing that can pierce 9 inch Armor Plate????
    What is it Marty???????

    This will set you free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    O/T. A very cool tribute to the legend.
    https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/875359689684529153

    • Everyone wear your blue bath-towels!

      • ze moo

        Captain Underpants to the rescue!! But no speedos.

    • Jimmy3

      This can’t be good. That signal is going to attract so, so many hockey-pad-wearing Batmen.

    • mandymarie20

      Apparently though we have a new Batman who was raised with Scientology principles and brings his cut off dreadlocks to the Met Ball as his date. I feel so bad for him. Either every public interaction is some sort of performance art, like Shia explains his odd behavior as, or he has issues or was not raised very conventionally. Personally I’ll stick with Adam West as my Batman.
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa12ewbKGbY

  • Boston Terrier Dad

    While it may be a stretch to say that the email in the dani case was “tampering” with a judge, you can’t argue that it wasn’t potentially prejudicial and would also be seen as “meddling” in a court case to change the outcome. So again out of both sides of his mouth.

  • otviii2late

    What does it cost to book the Fairmount Hotel in San Jose? Who pays for this and why? Multiply this cost over the decades x number of orgs x worldwide cost.

    Can someone tell me why these failing, empty orgs with no money always have to shell out to pay for expensive hotels to view the latest stupid event? Six times a year when they have more than ample room to hold the viewing in one of their many empty rooms? But no, let’s book the Fairmont no less! My local org always booked the most expensive spaces when they could not pay their basic bills, year after year!

    It’s something I’ve never seen talked about but is a widespread practice so clearly is mandated in policy–likely something about “positioning” your org and the event with prestigious public spaces for the PR. Or something dumb.

    I wonder what the worldwide cost is for decades of events six times a year to rent expensive unnecessary viewing premises?

    • Whatever it is, it’s likely significantly less than the ‘event’ brings in, which is interesting too.

    • ze moo

      Sometimes costs don’t matter in $cieno land. Expensive surroundings are supposed to make the marks pay or donate more. I have to wonder if Mikey Chan and Gavin Potter have to eat the difference when ‘donations’ don’t exceed expenses? Probably not, I bet those clowns have some sort of guarantee that they at least get expense money. Hell, they may be living on that expense guarantee.

  • Princess Squishy
  • Bleuler

    I for one am sick of listening to/reading about the Rat. Though I understand why our proprietor posts it I also think that the whole thing is a distraction, as written downthread regarding Tory’s opinion. The more this cockalorum spews out the more we talk about him than we do about other things that the “Church” does not want discussed. Coming up soon Marty in boa-feather drag praising DM and proclaiming that the hole was all his plan from the beginning.

    • ze moo

      As long the chorus doesn’t sing ‘thank you for listening’, I might watch that drag show.

    • Jimmy3

      A distraction from what tho? What do they not want discussed on this blog right now that hasn’t already been discussed at length over a period of several years? What’s going on right now that they’d have to trot out Marty Rathbun of all people to distract the bunker readership from? Are they worried someone might copy/paste LRH policy text or EPs from the OT levels for the 10,000th time? Ron forbid we see stuff like that.

      • Techie

        A few weeks ago we were talking about Masterson and his donkey-punching escapades. After which the Aftermath two hour special had ads hinting that victims were coming forward to speak out on Leah’s show. This kind of reporting is far more damaging than the ramblings of the Wrath of Bun. I think they are desperate to change the subject and it seems to be working, but who knows what is happening behind the scenes? I love it when Mike Rinder’s blog is late or he doesn’t seem to be checking the comments. That means he is busy, probably with Leah. Multiple incoming targets on the radar screen, Dave, scramble all your top guns! Too bad all of the missile tubes seem to be loaded with peanut butter. Or something …

        • Juicer77

          The Co$ has another think coming if they believe critics are truly distracted by this. Call it an interesting interlude before bigger stories appear. No one is taking their eye off the ball.

        • MarcabExpat

          I don’t think Tony has to choose between those things, though. As soon as there’s a new Masterson update you know he’ll be all over that. Aftermath hasn’t started up yet and when it does, it’ll be a blockbuster here. Meanwhile, we’re seeing another misbegotten caper unfold in real time, and he may as well call out the bullshit as it’s happening.

    • Juicer77

      I hear ya.
      But as Once_Born pointed out yesterday, when the explanation post rolls around (pending evidence) all this backstory will be neatly laid out and organized.

    • JaxNGold

      “..Marty in boa-feather drag..”

      LOL

    • MarcabExpat

      But the thing is, Marty’s (failing miserably at) discrediting allegations of illegal Co$ behavior. In doing so, though, he’s reminding everybody and giving the entire Scn-watching community the opportunity to re-assert those allegations, with proof. It couldn’t be a more classic footbullet operation if they’d set out to do that on purpose. DM may think he’s DA-ing Marty (and yeah, that’s happening) but the effects of it are devastating to himself. That’s worth bringing attention to, IMO anyway.

  • whingeybingey

    I heartily hope someone charges him with perjury.

  • jane456

    I have a question. All of this appears to be some sort of deal that was made by Marty with the COS. Have they done it in a way where there is no money directly going to Marty? But maybe indirectly there is some benefit going to him, with a lot of middle men or something. This all seems so obviously directed by and for the benefit of Miscavige.

    If I was Ray Jeffrey, I would want to know.

    • If I was Ray Jeffery, having wasted so much time and money on a case against Scientology that went bad on the eve of victory, I would consider cutting my losses.

      He would have to go back into court and fact their scorched earth tactics and dissembling all over again, throwing good money after bad.

      Unless some very compelling evidence emerges, that is, sadly, probably a dead issue.

      • Juicer77

        I wasn’t really digging the monetary deal theory, but at this point I’m willing to consider almost any scenario. Whatever deal was struck, Jeffery et al are probably sadder but wiser about the whole thing. You are probably right about the compelling evidence.

        • I spent a very long time trying to understand Marty’s behaviour from his point of view – trying to see how the things he did might make sense if you accept that his motives were influenced by a Scientology world-view.

          I resisted the sell-out proposition because it’s just hard to see how anyone could be so cynical as to reverse himself on just about every statement he made, abandon every conviction he laid claim to, and betray people who had supported and trusted him.

          If blackmail were possible, it would have been before now. This took both sides working in concert. I am, unwillingly forced to the conclusion there was a deal.

          As for Marty losing his mind… if you look at his other videos he seems a little more stressed in the new ones – but not significantly so. I think the only practical difference is that we supported what he said before, and wanted to believe that he was making progress. We are less sympathetic now that he has taken to lying in his teeth.

          Any differences are in our minds, not his.

      • ze moo

        We shouldn’t call it the ‘eve of victory’. The case just past an important hurdle and looked to me ready to go to trial. When Marty cut the legs off his attorneys, I had another huge ‘wtf’ moment. That moment hasn’t gone away. At least, not in regards to Marty.

        • But once it went to trial, everyone knew that it was all over bar the shouting, and a big settlement would be required to make it go away.

      • jane456

        You are probably right. It just pisses me off how they screwed over Ray Jeffrey. If things go through enough hands it would be chasing mist, I suppose. I also think the short asshole knows how to work Marty’s weird ego. He has his hand right up Martys ass and Marty is being a real good puppet. What a twisted dude…

        • There’s also the fact that Jeffery (and any other lawyer who might have considered taking a case involving Scientology) will not think very carefully. It’s had a chilling effect on legal action.

          If you have to ask whose interests Marty’s recent actions have served, you have to say David Miscavige. They have certainly done his reputation no good.

          I can’t see even Marty trusting Miscavige, so money changed hands somehow.

          • jane456

            That is what pisses me off the chilling effect that they have had on so many things over the years. The legal system and the Government are afraid of them, Which is why they need to have their IRS status revoked. If they are worried about it maybe there is a chance it could happen.

            • Not to mention the press and book publishers at one time… However, this power is steadily evaporating, along with the membership.

              I’m not getting my hopes up about the IRS… but I’m willing to be pleasantly surprised, one day soon.

  • PSA: we can (and maybe should) watch the videos here instead – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUX-NUI9UT7JTTRWOO-pwlg

  • Chee Chalker

    Scientology would have done well in Chicago in the 70s:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Greylord

    • ze moo

      i have seen prosecutorial crimes. So have you, How many times have you seen someone released from prison after serving 20 years or more for crimes that they did not commit. Sometimes simple mistakes were made and the defendant was just railroaded. Most often the police and prosecutors hide evidence that exonerated the defendant.

      You can find bribery and undue influence in ever city and state in the US.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Thank you Victoria for making this information available. It’s powerful, revealing and under oath.
    You are so loved and respected.

    • whingeybingey

      And so smart!!! Great catch!! 🙂 <3

  • ze moo

    On the lighter side of the news, Lyle Jeffs, brother of Warren Jeffs, was arrested last night. Lyle is/was the new leader of the FLDS after Warren was jailed.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/us/fbi-arrests-flds-leader-lyle-jeffs/index.html

    Another Cult leader bites the dust.

    • Silence of the Clams

      Another cult leader of another tax exempt entity. Raping people, ruining families, taking monies…sound familiar? Utterly insane the IRS allows these exemptions simply because people ‘believe’ in something. No proof necessary…just get enough people to say they believe in something and Boom!! Tax exemption.

  • The video of David Miscavige speaking at the first Maiden Voyage event likely had to be edited heavily if there are any audience shots. Guaranteed there are some blows in the audience from way back then.

  • Ben Franklin

    I love videos because they make it easy to expose liars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQQiLcEiXsU&list=PLy1e8KyQQrazXS3F4BvKAkJrWI111u2jA

    • Graham

      This is a different Marty. This is not the Marty you are looking for.

      • DoveAlexa

        These vids were amoung the first Sci stuff I ever watched, and back then this gave me the heebie jeebies. He just didn’t seem at all sorry. So I’d say it is still the same guy :(. (no diss on you, of course)

  • Phil McKraken

    The “Wright Process,” as described by Marty Rathbun: Facing a billion dollar tax bill => a billion dollars in arrears. That’s some kind of magical transformation. How does Wright do it?

  • I wonder how many on this list of common criminal charges Scientology has been involved in.

    Common Criminal Charges

    Assault / Battery
    Bribery
    Child Abandonment
    Child Abuse
    Computer Crime
    Conspiracy
    Credit / Debit Card Fraud
    Criminal Contempt of Court
    Cyber Bullying
    Disorderly Conduct
    Disturbing the Peace
    Domestic Violence
    Embezzlement
    Extortion
    Forgery
    Fraud
    Harassment
    Hate Crimes
    Identity Theft
    Insurance Fraud
    Jury Tampering
    Kidnapping
    Money Laundering
    Perjury
    Pyramid Schemes
    Racketeering / RICO
    Rape
    Robbery
    Sexual Assault
    Stalking
    Tax Evasion / Fraud
    Telemarketing Fraud
    Vandalism
    White Collar Crimes
    Wire Fraud

    Edit to add:
    Inurement
    Undue Influence
    Tortious Interference
    Human Trafficking

    • TexasBroad

      I think Sherb asked yesterday for a good answer to the “why do you care about Scientology” question. Committed to memory, this is a really good answer. While not criminal, I would add in Disconnection and Spiritual extortion.

      • Yes, aside from the possible criminal activities there’s a whole list of ‘abuses’ we could add.

    • Jimmy3

      Making Scientology Bingo Too Easy
      Conspiracy To Make Scientology Bingo Too Easy
      Making Scientology Bingo Too Easy Across State Boundaries (the internets)
      Possession of Criminal Bingo Tools (the computer/device you used to easy mode scientology bingo)
      Falsifying Bingo Documents (altering your bingo sheet to look more difficult than it was to complete)

    • Graham

      RICO. What will it take to trigger that? And don’t forget Inurement.

      • Techie

        I think RICO is the best avenue overall, it seems designed for situations like this. Most of the other offenses tend to come to light only after the victims leave, and it is usually past the statute of limitations by then. If you prove inurement you can take away their tax exemption, which would be a great first step, but it doesn’t shut them down.You could easily prove fraud, but it runs up against First Amendment issues. Other religions would also be liable and they circle the wagons even when they really shouldn’t. Perhaps it is wrong to promise rewards in the afterlife for cash payments (the “Indulgences” that Martin Luther abhorred) but if you prosecute that you come too close to many other practices that are accepted. Best to skirt the religious aspect and just go after them the way they went after the Chicago gangs. Where are today’s gangbusters and G-men?

    • The whole alphabet has not been used. I suggest Xenuphobia for X, but I’m at a loss for Y and Z.

      • Robert Eckert

        Is Yingling against the law? I don’t know, I’ve never yingled.

        • 3feetback-of-COS

          I yingled once, but I did not inhale.

          • Did it give you a craving for fresh-baked muffins?

        • I believe that Batman was speaking to Yingling when he said this:

          “There is a difference between you and me. We both looked into the abyss, but when it looked back at us, you blinked.”
          — Batman, Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths

          • RedShoeLady

            RIP Batman

          • Robert Eckert

            Or when he said “The difference between us is that I’m not wearing hockey pads.”

      • Graham

        Sadly Zero Empathy is not criminally prosecutable.

    • mandymarie20

      I would add ‘undue influence’.

      As defined by the American Bar Association
      “The actions or tactics used by the influencer. Evidence of actions or tactics used may include, but is not limited to, all of the following:
      Controlling necessaries of life, medication, the victim’s interactions with others, access to information or sleep.
      Use of affection, intimidation, or coercion.
      Initiation of changes in person or property rights, use of haste or secrecy in effecting those changes, effecting changes at inappropriate time and places, and claims of expertise in effecting change.”

      Sounds like Scientology to me.

    • Ann B Watson

      Thank you Phil. I checked all on your list because what you listed happened when I was in Sea Org & when I was being harassed to come back. In whatever form Scientology is guilty of stomping out all individuality and replacing the mind with nothing but command-control-obey from the top down. Love to you both.💔

    • Mick Roberts

      Just from my very limited understanding, I would have to go with all of the above (although I haven’t learned/can’t remember any concrete examples of “Wire Fraud”). I really hope that RICO can be applied to this organization as well so Miscavige can’t claim “plausible deniability”. RICO is what kept the Mafia bosses from claiming ignorance of their minions, and put the entire organization on trial for criminal conduct.

      • Narconon call centres taking money for drug treatment and actually providing Scientology. Applied Scholastics schools and tutors claiming to be educators, and actually providing Scientology… and so on and so forth, through all of the CofS front groups.

        • Mick Roberts

          Ahh thanks Once Born. Phil’s list is now complete for me.

      • FredEX2

        All. And forgot some too…burglary, coercion, impersonating law enforcement, threat of bodily harm, putting in fear, practicing medicine without a license, …there’s more…including ‘verbal act instrumental in manslaughter’ ( which is equivalent to when a Scientologist encourages another person to ‘drop their body’ by dying-encouraging to commit suicide ) And let’s not forget ‘R2-45’ which is literally meant ‘to kill someone’ / commit murder.

    • MarcabExpat
      • For a second there I thought you had to go to the ladies room.

        • MarcabExpat

          Who says I don’t?

          • Way back in the Mesozoic Era when I was in school we not only had to put our hand up to ask to go to the bathroom but had to tell the teacher whether we had to go #1 or #2. Rather embarrassing.

    • RedShoeLady

      Tortious Interference (thinking of Ray Jeffrey)

      • Added, thanks.

      • Robert Eckert

        Torts (what you can sue for in civil court) are not the same as crimes

    • Mick Roberts

      Is being a Cantankerous Asshole considered a crime anywhere?

      • I’d probably be in jail a long time ago if it was.

        • Mick Roberts

          Well, I’d probably be your cellmate.

          • DoveAlexa

            Most of my relatives would be joining you.

      • stanrogers

        not to my knowledge, but being an Insufferable Bell-End is still a shilling fine in Essex.

    • Rasha

      A’s for Assault, when you beat up subordinates
      B is for Bribery – for Judges and Cops
      C is for children, abandoned, abused
      and also Computer Crime, it just never stops

      D is Domestic, in homes that are split
      E for Extortion, to threaten what’s left
      F stands for Forgery, to “prove all the lies”
      and don’t forget Fraud, like Inurement and Theft…

      I could go on, but I’m actually on a customer call……

    • Shivani33

      Let’s not forget shady dealings with immigration, confiscating passports, human trafficking, immigration fraud. Etc.

  • bill lumberg

    This just keeps getting weirder and weirder. Marty is clearly having a meltdown of XENU proportions. I hate to watch someone crumble in (almost) realtime, BUT I WILL! Where’s the popcorn? I hope this is a 100-part series.

  • Graham

    I see Sad Clown Marty is up to Part 12 now. Is the Mystery Person he’s talking to actually himself? Is that just a mirror off to the left of camera?

  • nottrue

    I don’t think Scientologists in good standing are allowed to watch Marty or they would be talking about it

    • Yeah, I think John Alex Wood would be all over it if he was allowed to be.

    • Kestrel

      Not yet, anyway. Maybe they’ll show the full version at the IAS Event.

      • Tricky. Marty is still dead, an “unperson”, within Scientology, and after being involved in several legal actions against Scientology, he’s not coming back.

  • nottrue
    • Observer
      • Joe

        Is it wrong that when Scientology doesn’t get its way, I feel a twinge of pity for whatever Scientologist is in punching distance of DM?

    • L Ron Hubbard KSW Scientology Communication Tech™ in action . . .

      . . . City Manager Bill Horne said the church stopped returning the city’s emails and phone calls after the City Council bought the aquarium land in April. The council had originally been scheduled to discuss the swap of the three unrelated city parcels last month, but the vote was postponed because of the lack of communication until Scientology officials met with Horne and city attorney Pam Akin May 31 . . .

      . . . classic! How to win friends and influence people . . . don’t talk to anyone.

    • They need a Scientology :An Industry of Death museum on that lot…”

      Nah, they might try something new: “City Councils: an Industry of Religious Bigotry” instead. Complete with results of all their creepy stalking of the Clearwater city council members, going through their garbage, etc.

    • It’s interesting that, despite the fact that so many of Scientology’s US members are concentrated in and around Clearwater they still can’t control the council by voting Scientologists into office.

      There really aren’t that many of them, but they abuse above their weight.

      • Silence of the Clams

        They’ve actually done a pretty good job of controlling the City Council and the Police in Clearwater for quite some time. So this is terrific news that the City is starting to wake up and realize they’ve got a stage 4 cancer in their town.

        • They do… but if they did have the voters, they would have utterly dominated the place.

  • RedShoeLady

    OT – I’m wondering if Danny Masterson is watching the coverage on Bill Cosby.

    • TexasBroad

      Just saw on twitter that the jury deadlocked….but the Judge sent them back in for more deliberation.

      • EmmaDaoust

        The Toronto Sun daily poll question today was “Do you believe Bill Cosby is guilty of sexual assault?” 35% said No. Ugh.

        • stanrogers

          It’s the Sun.

          • EmmaDaoust

            Oh I know. Actually, I’m surprised the percentage of No is that low.

  • Graham

    Sad Marty’s face in those videos is reminding me of something. Is he making cash on the side by ‘whiting up’ I wonder? Might he actually have a hidden talent?
    https://youtu.be/aVevvbFNKiY

    • If he ever sang like Puddles, I’d plotz!

    • Squints

      Just love Puddles.

  • Phil McKraken

    In the pulling-wings-off-flies department, David Miscavige must be absolutely loving this. After all, the entire production is for his sole benefit. There’s no one else on Earth getting any pleasure (other than ironic) or benefit from Marty’s debasement. He’s not influencing anyone to anything. He’s not believed by any thetan. It’s all for Miscavige to sit back and sip Scotch to. Wow, what a life.

    • gtsix

      How many scotches in before he started cackling “dance monkey dance” at the screen?

    • Silence of the Clams

      I would have tended to agree with you a couple years ago but not today. This move by Miscavige is a clear sign of desperation. Marty is the enemy. No amount of ass kissing, make-up and post production is going to change that in the eyes of Scientology. But CLEARLY, he has forged an agreement with Miscavige to play this little game of misdirection – probably for money.

      For Miscavige to do this means the little Shit is nervous. He doesn’t have an answer to Leah and Mike. He doesn’t have an answer for the Bunker and he doesn’t have an answer for the growing number of ex’s speaking out. And now Clearwater is pushing back and moving against his master plan.

      This is desperation….and it’s nice to bear witness.

      • And, above all, he’s worried about the growing dissension within his own shrinking band of members.

        • Graham

          I think you might mean dissension? Unless you’re thinking of course of the International Justice Chief 😉

          • ze moo

            Spell Checker is often not your friend.

          • ‘Distension’ instead of dissension’ was a spellcheck thing that I read and corrected less than a second after I posted. I know someone would spot it though… 🙂

            Some time, I am going to let it get away with ‘Miscreant’ instead of ‘Miscavige’. Everyone would know who I meant, then.

            • Graham

              “I know someone would spot it though” And it had to be me. Nobody loves a smart-arse; but do I ever learn?

          • Juicer77

            I autocorrected in my head… but LOL!!

          • The IJC is expanding!

  • nottrue
  • Bhob

    Having not kept up on all this stuff lately, I decided to watch all these ‘going clear’ videos last night. I try and give people the benefit of the doubt, but WTF.

    • Juicer77

      You poor thing. Can I get you some aspiring and a cold compress for your head? That’s taking binge-watching to a masochistic level.

      • Bhob

        Heh, I won’t lie I fell asleep near the end.

        • Juicer77

          *snort*

        • Bob Crouch

          The old stereotype applies: “The boom was better than the film (Marty’s film that is). Much better!”

  • Valkov

    Not to make a big deal of it, but there is a difference between what Marty described in his deposition, that is, a lot of ex parte attempts at engineering and influence peddling, and “harassment”. I didn’t see anything in his depostion about killing pets, and trying to dead agent judges by compromising them etc.

    • flyonthewall

      what I was thinking too

    • TonyOrtega

      Thanks for the hair-splitting, but cynically influencing a judge to subvert justice definitely fits with “messing with a judge” in my book.

      • Judge Beach is a complete mess.

      • Valkov

        Isn’t that what both defense and prosecuting attorneys do on a daily basis? Not ex parte, of course, but in the courtroom?

    • flyonthewall

      but there also may very well have been a 2nd prong in their strategy that was used simultaneously that Marty didn’t talk about. Sifting through the judge’s garbage, following them, talking to their neighbors etc. All very standard stuff for them

    • Joe

      As an attorney, I can tell you that it is an incredibly egregious action to try to have any ex-parte contact with a judge unless it’s one of the few permitted exceptions (e.g., a legitimate emergency). I’ve seen other attorneys become livid when they found out an opposing counsel or party was attempting to contact a judge ex-parte.

      Is it the same as bribery or intimidation? Of course not, but in the legal community it is an offense that is taken very seriously.

    • Bob Crouch

      You’re right of course. But in his video, Marty does NOT claim that the cult did NOT go around killing judges’ pets. He claims that the cult would NEVER have tampered/influence peddled with a judge as OSA had implemented such iron-clad safeguards as to make that sort of behavior a big crime.

      And on that one, Marty put the lie to himself!

      • flyonthewall

        that’s a good point

      • Marty has always weirdly flip-flopped on pets. One moment he said “absolutely verboten”, and the next “I don’t put it past the sons of bitches, you know what I mean?”

        The Tip of the Spear December 18, 2012, Joel Sappell, Los Angeles Magazine, p.6.

        • Chee Chalker

          Marty also said he never used/involved children in his work as Mr. Fix-it.
          Yet he orchestrated Conner and Bella Cruise into thinking their mother was a SP

          • Stalking Bob Minton’s kids during the period that he was back in the loop.

    • Ben Franklin

      You may want to read the article linked below because Marty himself have recounted stories about the Church of Scientology trying to influence lawyers and judges to tilt the cases in the church’s favor.

      https://jonathanturley.org/2012/11/19/former-high-ranking-scientology-official-accuses-florida-lawyers-and-judges-of-accepting-gifts-as-part-of-effort-to-drop-criminal-charges-in-death-of-church-member/comment-page-2/

  • iDeal In The Valley Update
    If you can’t stand the heat, move your van to the shade:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bcffc75dbdd599d32d968533d7da45a24291bd984aea7432d25e7ebe6086e3d6.jpg

    *** still plenty of “free” parking! ***

  • LeakLurkLol

    OT X – Marty Revealed
    I now know who’s #1 – Prisoner genuflecting at the Alter of Ego – and am no longer confused, disappointed
    Or interested

    https://youtu.be/-XQrcyGJaj0?t=1m59s

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    “Marty, get a life.” “Nobody gives a fuck about you.” “Pathetic!”
    It never occured to me before that I would one day agree with Jenny Linson:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG70fhg0wL4&t=31s

    • Even back then, they were not at all concerned with persuading the general public of their case. It was partly about punishing the poor souls who were sent there to rant.

      However, I’m betting that the tape they made shown to people back at the base to ‘convince’ them that Marty was an evil threat – and how did that work out?

      Once again, ‘turning’ Marty is all about convincing UTRs that members of the critical community can’t be trusted.

      If it this does not seem to be an effective approach, remember – it’s coming from the same people who brought you the airport ambush.

    • Graham

      Marty’s going through his A to E ritual humiliation so he can be ‘besties’ again with these guys? Really?!

  • Supper Powers
    • chukicita

      Okay, USDL, how about checking out the RPF and EPF?

      “Earlier this year, the U.S. Department of Labor ordered Lyle, some FLDS businessmen and the church itself to pay fines totaling almost $2 million for using children and unpaid labor during a 2012 pecan harvest. The fines remain under appeal and have not been paid.”

      “The church has also been accused of discriminating against non-members.”

  • Jgg2012

    Some general points: (1) Marty also admitted to destroying documents in the Lisa McPherson case. (2) Marty did a series of interviews called the truth rundown, available online, where he confirms everything he is now denying (violence by Miscavige that got worse and worse; constant spying). (3) Victoria does ask a good question, as did Dani, but I doubt that Marty is going to answer them.

    • Chee Chalker

      Yeah, I think Marty will go the way of Miscavige and never give another interview.
      Too much out there with which to confront him.

    • Noesis

      He’s doing it on purpose.

      Making bald-faced contradictory statements now puts all of Marty’s earlier damning statements into question.

      That apparently is the point of this video series.

      Because of his inside knowledge, Marty used to be the biggest legal threat to Miscavige / Scientology.

      Marty is intentionally dead-agenting himself…including his past statements, his current statements and any statements he might be forced to make in the future as a witness / defendant.

      Marty is now a publicly confirmed liar…and he is intentionally confirming his deliberate lying with these videos. He is now an attorney’s wet dream for deposition / cross examination.

      Marty has become a willing lightning rod for attack / suspicion, which makes Miscavige less vulnerable.

      At least for now.

      • Jgg2012

        How much do you think Davey is paying him?

        • Noesis

          It depends.

          There is no proof that Marty is being paid anything by anybody.

          But, Marty might be avoiding some sort of threatened fair game activity by becoming an embarrassing late-night infomercial commentator…or he may have been tricked (via promises of some future consideration) into discrediting himself so severely that no one will ever listen to him seriously again…or he may just be incredibly confused.

          In thinking about Marty’s past behavior, his current conduct appears like deliberate sabotage…either his own, or the clever machinations of another.

          I’m reminded of how easily Scientology attorney Bert Deixler played Marty like a fiddle by appealing to his vanity in a deposition, then used Marty’s own words against him minutes later to make him look like a fool.

          It is hard to conceive of how Marty could be this lame by accident in public, unless someone was playing him (which is different than paying him.)