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	Comments on: When a Scientology &#8216;body-router&#8217; turns out to be the father you haven&#8217;t seen in 7 years	</title>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-1/#comment-1845064&quot;&gt;MissCandle&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Miss Candle,

Please excuse the atrocious delay in getting back to this for you, but I have only just seen your post. Personally, I film videos for Spielberg&#039;s SHOAH Project, but there are several independent and auxilliary organisations.

Feel free to contact me OL for further details, if you wish. And DO contact them and to preserve these memories and exeriences. 

OTOH, do not wait for someone to record and listen-- DO IT YOURSELF! Right away!

We risk losing precious testimony as this frightening even passes from living memory and into the hands of people who my have goals other than preserving such information.

Just a couple of days ago the ¨resident of the United States had to have his arm twisted to call out Nazism and White Nationalist hate groups after they had murdered an innocent woman and injured tens of other protestors. 

Even his Attourny General found time in his duties Officially Investigating Racial Injustice Against WHITE PEOPLE to call them out.

You Father&#039; story is of enormous importance.

If saving ONE LIFE saves the ENTIRE WORLD (and believe it does), then the loss of one is an entire world gone forever.

Bless You, and good luck!]]></description>
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<p>Dear Miss Candle,</p>
<p>Please excuse the atrocious delay in getting back to this for you, but I have only just seen your post. Personally, I film videos for Spielberg&#8217;s SHOAH Project, but there are several independent and auxilliary organisations.</p>
<p>Feel free to contact me OL for further details, if you wish. And DO contact them and to preserve these memories and exeriences. </p>
<p>OTOH, do not wait for someone to record and listen&#8211; DO IT YOURSELF! Right away!</p>
<p>We risk losing precious testimony as this frightening even passes from living memory and into the hands of people who my have goals other than preserving such information.</p>
<p>Just a couple of days ago the ¨resident of the United States had to have his arm twisted to call out Nazism and White Nationalist hate groups after they had murdered an innocent woman and injured tens of other protestors. </p>
<p>Even his Attourny General found time in his duties Officially Investigating Racial Injustice Against WHITE PEOPLE to call them out.</p>
<p>You Father&#8217; story is of enormous importance.</p>
<p>If saving ONE LIFE saves the ENTIRE WORLD (and believe it does), then the loss of one is an entire world gone forever.</p>
<p>Bless You, and good luck!</p>
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		By: tigger		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2017 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-2/#comment-1846640&quot;&gt;JustSheila&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I&#039;m enjoying life just fine.  Now and then there are regrets when I first remember something long forgotten but that&#039;s just till it&#039;s reviewed and learned from.  I&#039;m studying a bunch of mind stuff and it opens closed doors - what can I say ? :) 
I only have the AOLA GI graph for the years I worked on the reg/GI lines  21 Dec 78 to end 91 so 14 years.  AOLA Reserves - what a joke.  I think I&#039;m the only one who ever put money into it after Al C left the lines. 
Oh I&#039;m glad you see your son!  My daughter #1 visits a couple times a year and calls several times a week.  And Sara - the #2 that I have had such a hard time with - 34 going on 14... well I am constantly surprised with how much the anti- XXXX psych meds are helping her.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-2/#comment-1846640">JustSheila</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m enjoying life just fine.  Now and then there are regrets when I first remember something long forgotten but that&#8217;s just till it&#8217;s reviewed and learned from.  I&#8217;m studying a bunch of mind stuff and it opens closed doors &#8211; what can I say ? 🙂<br />
I only have the AOLA GI graph for the years I worked on the reg/GI lines  21 Dec 78 to end 91 so 14 years.  AOLA Reserves &#8211; what a joke.  I think I&#8217;m the only one who ever put money into it after Al C left the lines.<br />
Oh I&#8217;m glad you see your son!  My daughter #1 visits a couple times a year and calls several times a week.  And Sara &#8211; the #2 that I have had such a hard time with &#8211; 34 going on 14&#8230; well I am constantly surprised with how much the anti- XXXX psych meds are helping her.</p>
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		By: JustSheila		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2017 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-2/#comment-1846438&quot;&gt;tigger&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re welcome. Chin up. The future is all we have and regrets take away from enjoying it, 

Wow. You have the GI graphs! Including AOLA Reserves?

You misunderstood me. I see my son every few years and we had a wonderful time last summer. I just don&#039;t ever seemm to see him on Mother&#039;s Day, and very few Christmases or birthdays, either.  So I know how lonely holidays can get. Hoping to see him this Christmas no matter what.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-2/#comment-1846438">tigger</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome. Chin up. The future is all we have and regrets take away from enjoying it, </p>
<p>Wow. You have the GI graphs! Including AOLA Reserves?</p>
<p>You misunderstood me. I see my son every few years and we had a wonderful time last summer. I just don&#8217;t ever seemm to see him on Mother&#8217;s Day, and very few Christmases or birthdays, either.  So I know how lonely holidays can get. Hoping to see him this Christmas no matter what.</p>
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		By: tigger		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2017 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-2/#comment-1846150&quot;&gt;JustSheila&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks JS, I read the link.  I think you have it correct.  I was the Dissem Sec when Kerry came.  I still have the 20 years of AOLA GI graph with stuff like that marked.  W/E 1 Jul 82 GI spikes from 212K to 354K.  I went to the RPF 15 Nov 82 while Dissem Sec for 2 months.  ED Int came and Off-Loaded Eric Reinerson and I was meter checked by Phil Cristodolou with 3 or 4 others watching the meter and then sent because ???.   
I get you about Moms day.  I&#039;m also in the midst of some studies and they seem to trigger memories I&#039;d forgotten and have to work through and learn from.  I did danger put in policies to hereafter keep a balance tehe.  (kidding)
Amazing you haven&#039;t seen AH in 20 years but perhaps he will be in a better mind to appreciate you when the time comes.   I&#039;d like to see him too.
I so appreciate your memories.  Thanks for encouragement XOXO]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-2/#comment-1846150">JustSheila</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks JS, I read the link.  I think you have it correct.  I was the Dissem Sec when Kerry came.  I still have the 20 years of AOLA GI graph with stuff like that marked.  W/E 1 Jul 82 GI spikes from 212K to 354K.  I went to the RPF 15 Nov 82 while Dissem Sec for 2 months.  ED Int came and Off-Loaded Eric Reinerson and I was meter checked by Phil Cristodolou with 3 or 4 others watching the meter and then sent because ???.<br />
I get you about Moms day.  I&#8217;m also in the midst of some studies and they seem to trigger memories I&#8217;d forgotten and have to work through and learn from.  I did danger put in policies to hereafter keep a balance tehe.  (kidding)<br />
Amazing you haven&#8217;t seen AH in 20 years but perhaps he will be in a better mind to appreciate you when the time comes.   I&#8217;d like to see him too.<br />
I so appreciate your memories.  Thanks for encouragement XOXO</p>
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		By: Rocco Black		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rocco Black]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2017 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-1/#comment-1844762&quot;&gt;Derek&lt;/a&gt;.

One of the posts from Mike Rinder&#039;s blog today has a picture of a young blonde hair blue eyed kid named Alex.

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-127/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-1/#comment-1844762">Derek</a>.</p>
<p>One of the posts from Mike Rinder&#8217;s blog today has a picture of a young blonde hair blue eyed kid named Alex.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-127/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-127/</a></p>
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		By: Dice シ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dice シ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2017 15:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-1/#comment-1846163&quot;&gt;Angelbug&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes... it&#039;s impressive that they got away with it. Not only the letters, but also those scientologist who would tell stories from the good old days and fill everybody, with Now, documented lies! Did they actually believe it them self? Here is a video made by a former Scientology PI about the time, you might share history with, Arnie Lerma telling about those letters and how that was one of his major points to unravel the big SCAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc3ujJyx1Rg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-1/#comment-1846163">Angelbug</a>.</p>
<p>Yes&#8230; it&#8217;s impressive that they got away with it. Not only the letters, but also those scientologist who would tell stories from the good old days and fill everybody, with Now, documented lies! Did they actually believe it them self? Here is a video made by a former Scientology PI about the time, you might share history with, Arnie Lerma telling about those letters and how that was one of his major points to unravel the big SCAM <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc3ujJyx1Rg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc3ujJyx1Rg</a></p>
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		By: Angelbug		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2017 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-1/#comment-1844669&quot;&gt;Dice シ&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s a great feeling.. realizing you were being lied to.  -_-  I think I remember the letter being typed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-1/#comment-1844669">Dice シ</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great feeling.. realizing you were being lied to.  -_-  I think I remember the letter being typed.</p>
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		By: JustSheila		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JustSheila]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2017 14:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-2/#comment-1846135&quot;&gt;tigger&lt;/a&gt;.

I know what you&#039;re going through. :hug: Mother&#039;s Day is extra tough; I haven&#039;t seen my son on Mother&#039;s Day in over 20 years. That&#039;s how long we&#039;ve been in other countries/places and it&#039;s my fault for screwy scn thinking decades ago. It is what it is, though, and we do our best under the circumstances to rebuild/repair. Regardless of whether your children appreciate you or not, mothers are special and you loved and love them and should appreciate yourself for it.  Sometimes its only mothers who can fully appreciate other mothers on Mother&#039;s Day, so take heart.  Talk to women more, sweetie.  We get it. Love to you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-2/#comment-1846135">tigger</a>.</p>
<p>I know what you&#8217;re going through. :hug: Mother&#8217;s Day is extra tough; I haven&#8217;t seen my son on Mother&#8217;s Day in over 20 years. That&#8217;s how long we&#8217;ve been in other countries/places and it&#8217;s my fault for screwy scn thinking decades ago. It is what it is, though, and we do our best under the circumstances to rebuild/repair. Regardless of whether your children appreciate you or not, mothers are special and you loved and love them and should appreciate yourself for it.  Sometimes its only mothers who can fully appreciate other mothers on Mother&#8217;s Day, so take heart.  Talk to women more, sweetie.  We get it. Love to you!</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2017 14:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-2/#comment-1845361&quot;&gt;Juicer77&lt;/a&gt;.

Well I don&#039;t have that option. I get chores done by noon and sit very still till 6.  MUCH better then at AOLA with no A/C (except in the reg offices).  I used to keep my feet in a bucket of cool water and now and then go lay flat on the bathroom floor which stayed nice and cool.  Public and staff just came in and walked around me and understood my short explanation ... I&#039;m from ALASKA where the record high is 78.   Those were the days and it&#039;s beginning to even out - the good and the bad.]]></description>
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<p>Well I don&#8217;t have that option. I get chores done by noon and sit very still till 6.  MUCH better then at AOLA with no A/C (except in the reg offices).  I used to keep my feet in a bucket of cool water and now and then go lay flat on the bathroom floor which stayed nice and cool.  Public and staff just came in and walked around me and understood my short explanation &#8230; I&#8217;m from ALASKA where the record high is 78.   Those were the days and it&#8217;s beginning to even out &#8211; the good and the bad.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2017 14:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/23/when-a-scientology-body-router-turns-out-to-be-the-father-you-havent-seen-in-7-years/comment-page-2/#comment-1845709&quot;&gt;JustSheila&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for the link.   To put things in perspective.  None of the above hurt much while (udl) in.  It&#039;s after the de-programming the real suppressed feelings do come back to be lived out and learned from.    I guess that&#039;s what I&#039;m going thru.  All starting with learning about Cognitive Dissonance which I&#039;m still working on.  Thanks for the back up darling.  Hope all is well.  (((Hugs)))]]></description>
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<p>Thank you for the link.   To put things in perspective.  None of the above hurt much while (udl) in.  It&#8217;s after the de-programming the real suppressed feelings do come back to be lived out and learned from.    I guess that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m going thru.  All starting with learning about Cognitive Dissonance which I&#8217;m still working on.  Thanks for the back up darling.  Hope all is well.  (((Hugs)))</p>
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