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		By: tigger		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2017 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1842616&quot;&gt;SucculentDuck ⚔️&lt;/a&gt;.

Funny.  Google maps is pretty smart.]]></description>
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<p>Funny.  Google maps is pretty smart.</p>
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		By: WogBunkerFan (Laurie)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2017 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1841999&quot;&gt;Panopea Abrupta&lt;/a&gt;.

Love these updates!  Would be great to be able to see them all together 😀]]></description>
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<p>Love these updates!  Would be great to be able to see them all together 😀</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2017 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1842260&quot;&gt;GrangerFX&lt;/a&gt;.

Diagnosis: Scientology !]]></description>
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<p>Diagnosis: Scientology !</p>
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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann B Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2017 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1842028&quot;&gt;Tony Ortega&lt;/a&gt;.

I can&#039;t wait to come to Howdy Con one year. Moving first week of July so this June too crazy. 😪😪💞]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1842028">Tony Ortega</a>.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to come to Howdy Con one year. Moving first week of July so this June too crazy. 😪😪💞</p>
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		By: Faux Gibbler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2017 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1842028&quot;&gt;Tony Ortega&lt;/a&gt;.

Tony,
I can&#039;t find somewhere else to reply to you at. 
Regarding the post today about Google and Scientology, the only reports I can find is from 2014-2016 here https://lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=✓&#038;term=Tonyortega.org&#038;sort_by=

You may wanna search more on a desktop I am on my phone, but you should be getting a notice and a chance for a rebuttal. 
 I&#039;m going to read this comment on today&#039;s post also. ]]></description>
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<p>Tony,<br />
I can&#8217;t find somewhere else to reply to you at.<br />
Regarding the post today about Google and Scientology, the only reports I can find is from 2014-2016 here <a href="https://lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=✓&#038;term=Tonyortega.org&#038;sort_by=" rel="nofollow ugc">https://lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=✓&#038;term=Tonyortega.org&#038;sort_by=</a></p>
<p>You may wanna search more on a desktop I am on my phone, but you should be getting a notice and a chance for a rebuttal.<br />
 I&#8217;m going to read this comment on today&#8217;s post also. </p>
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		By: balletlady		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2017 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1843477&quot;&gt;John Prince&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry to put things so bluntly....as a &quot;never in&quot; I did not endure all the horrific treatment many did as members of &quot;the organization&quot;.  I can&#039;t imagine having to accept a beating at the hands of DM or anyone else, forced abortions according to what&#039;s been stated, and being chased down like a wild animal once you try to escape.
I would love to see TRUE justice prevail, that everyone gets &quot;a piece of the pie&quot; &#038; that things are set into motion to shut down ALL cults that harm people.

I just watched a rerun on Dr Phil about a cult called &quot;The Children Of God&quot; (now renamed &quot;The Family&quot;).....worse then COS it seems....rape of children etc.....HOW do these &quot;churches&quot; get AWAY with it.......FLDS STILL exists in Arizona &#038; Utah, etc.....yes Warren Jeffs is in prison, but he STILL controls things from his prison cell.  He should be allowed NO CONTACT with anyone outside the prison he is in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1843477">John Prince</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry to put things so bluntly&#8230;.as a &#8220;never in&#8221; I did not endure all the horrific treatment many did as members of &#8220;the organization&#8221;.  I can&#8217;t imagine having to accept a beating at the hands of DM or anyone else, forced abortions according to what&#8217;s been stated, and being chased down like a wild animal once you try to escape.<br />
I would love to see TRUE justice prevail, that everyone gets &#8220;a piece of the pie&#8221; &amp; that things are set into motion to shut down ALL cults that harm people.</p>
<p>I just watched a rerun on Dr Phil about a cult called &#8220;The Children Of God&#8221; (now renamed &#8220;The Family&#8221;)&#8230;..worse then COS it seems&#8230;.rape of children etc&#8230;..HOW do these &#8220;churches&#8221; get AWAY with it&#8230;&#8230;.FLDS STILL exists in Arizona &amp; Utah, etc&#8230;..yes Warren Jeffs is in prison, but he STILL controls things from his prison cell.  He should be allowed NO CONTACT with anyone outside the prison he is in.</p>
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		By: dchoiceisalwaysrs		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dchoiceisalwaysrs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2017 11:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1843624&quot;&gt;Bert Allen&lt;/a&gt;.

&#039; we of the church believe in L Ron Hubbard who said someday orgs will say what is law&#039; 

in scientology all time is present time]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1843624">Bert Allen</a>.</p>
<p>&#8216; we of the church believe in L Ron Hubbard who said someday orgs will say what is law&#8217; </p>
<p>in scientology all time is present time</p>
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		By: dchoiceisalwaysrs		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dchoiceisalwaysrs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2017 11:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1842440&quot;&gt;InterestedObserver12&lt;/a&gt;.

This makes me wonder, if the judge will use something akin to JURY selection to assist him with the final selection.  I have read nothing regarding that possibility. 

I have read about what I call the privatization of the Judicial court system, especially where corporations get to designate the arbitrators and thus can choose those from &#039;within arms length&#039; resulting in unfair arbitration.  However, this case has gone beyond that selection stage by the contracted parties and is now selection from a large pool and under the control of the judge.
An intriguing Gordian knot perhaps.
I hope the judge shines through brightly in this one. 

++++++++++++++++++++

May I suggest this  by James Madison from his introduction of the Bill of Rights in 1789 :

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 &quot;Fourthly, That in article 1st, section 9, between clauses 3 and 4, be inserted these clauses, to wit: The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed.
........[snipped for focus]

The exceptions here or elsewhere in the constitution, made in favor of particular rights, shall not be so construed as to diminish the just importance of other rights retained by the people, or as to enlarge the powers delegated by the constitution; but either as actual limitations of such powers, or as inserted merely for greater caution.&quot; 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1842440">InterestedObserver12</a>.</p>
<p>This makes me wonder, if the judge will use something akin to JURY selection to assist him with the final selection.  I have read nothing regarding that possibility. </p>
<p>I have read about what I call the privatization of the Judicial court system, especially where corporations get to designate the arbitrators and thus can choose those from &#8216;within arms length&#8217; resulting in unfair arbitration.  However, this case has gone beyond that selection stage by the contracted parties and is now selection from a large pool and under the control of the judge.<br />
An intriguing Gordian knot perhaps.<br />
I hope the judge shines through brightly in this one. </p>
<p>++++++++++++++++++++</p>
<p>May I suggest this  by James Madison from his introduction of the Bill of Rights in 1789 :</p>
<p>***<br />
 &#8220;Fourthly, That in article 1st, section 9, between clauses 3 and 4, be inserted these clauses, to wit: The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;..[snipped for focus]</p>
<p>The exceptions here or elsewhere in the constitution, made in favor of particular rights, shall not be so construed as to diminish the just importance of other rights retained by the people, or as to enlarge the powers delegated by the constitution; but either as actual limitations of such powers, or as inserted merely for greater caution.&#8221; </p>
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		By: Bert Allen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bert Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2017 10:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1843620&quot;&gt;PJK&lt;/a&gt;.

Certainly possible, but I don&#039;t think the COS will consider settlement until the judge rules the arbitration system has failed.  Until then the COS will believe that it holds the upper hand.]]></description>
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<p>Certainly possible, but I don&#8217;t think the COS will consider settlement until the judge rules the arbitration system has failed.  Until then the COS will believe that it holds the upper hand.</p>
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		By: PJK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PJK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2017 09:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/05/20/scientology-forks-over-phone-numbers-to-federal-judge-who-puts-his-foot-down-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1842914&quot;&gt;Bert Allen&lt;/a&gt;.

Are they not just going to avoid the whole debacle by reaching an out of court settlement with the Garcias? That seems to be the normal way they deal with situations where they can&#039;t win a trial, so news about a settlement with the Garcias in a couple of days?]]></description>
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<p>Are they not just going to avoid the whole debacle by reaching an out of court settlement with the Garcias? That seems to be the normal way they deal with situations where they can&#8217;t win a trial, so news about a settlement with the Garcias in a couple of days?</p>
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