well a large number of people are STILL ignorant on depression, and that there is a difference between being depressed and CLINICAL depression.. however, more and more people are realizing this, and of course nearly everyone know that SEVERE mental behavior cannot be cured by the scientology way of eat this, think this (when such thought is even beyond their ability to do so!), exercise and do alot of auditing!.. would love for those who are the public face of this insidious scam that is scientology (i.e. cruise) be asked for all the world to see “so, tell me what and how would you treat someone with such and such severe mental diagnosis and do tell how that would and does work 100% of the time, 100% everytime, 100% with everyone! and please give us the decades of research, studies, clinical trials, patients, documentation and published works that scientology has done on the subject as PROOF! interesting how even now that has NEVER EVER EVER been shown (and we know never done!)…. all that cult has is pointing out the negative which anyone can do about anything! much harder to PROVE what you propose works instead, which of course the cult can’t do! remember “attack never defend!”… all of this now, that would be fall down hilarious if it wasn’t so outrageously stupid and dangerous!..

I didn’t say people that held those believes were intellectual giants, but I have heard that opinion stated frequently (online and occasionally in real life), that all you need to treat your depression is some good time with nature, walks, exercise for endorphins, etc. Not necessarily that the medicine is evil, but that treatment with drugs is unnatural and unnecessary, and that people are depressed these days because they don’t go outside enough or get enough natural light or breathe enough fresh air. Etc. They aren’t right. drugs for depression and all other mental illnesses are lifesavers and should come without stigma, but there is a lot of misinformation out there about mental illnesses and treatments.

Well come on down Annie.. we will be here with arms open..

You are right about being consulted about your own words.. sigh.. and I would have been so disappointed. I”m sure your story was bad enough without embellishing it for Pete’s sake. 💞

uh, NO ONE i know thinks that mental illness can be cured 100% of the time, 100% no matter what, 100% with everyone with thinking happy thoughts, exercise and eating healthy.. their might be disagreements and confusion as to the best treatment and if drugs and which drugs are necessary, but NO ONE thinks like scientology, unless they are scientologists themselves, have themselves mental issues or are BEYOND grossly ignorant and uneducated….

I tend to set that bar so high for me I have to get out of bed whilst Jade Cat hogs the covers, to see if I can reach it! Doggie snuggles are so so Good. Well at least part of my story got out there early on but I wish I had been consulted on my own words,but Baby so many great books have come out and will come out I am content to have pushed back a little in the late 70s. I looked at a map and you know in a few years we are Pensacola Fla bound so I can come and meet you. That would be Glorious and Rev. Dee I adore that lady and Mike & Christie too! All in Fla. Hugs my Baby 💞

OOOOOOOOh Lucky Walter W going to Scotland .. Uh .. Very Unlucky Annie who got the ” Gift ” he brought home.. I wonder how many people on those 4 planes are Lookin for him.. ha.

Glad to hear the MRI was clean! Yes..I read that book.. sigh.. sorry it was embellished Annie. Hmmm

I just woke up.. Not because I was ill.. I was lazy.. Jeeze.. It’s too easy for me to snuggle and sleep deeply with my doggies. Now I feel drugged. ( But not in a good way..ha)

True and shining.. I love that. Wow you put the bar so high.. I AM honest..but working on shining.. xox Love you Angel.💖

its not just sci that believes that, plenty of people walking around on the street believe that about mental illnesses. Doesn’t make it any less wrong for Scientologists to believe that, but in this case they aren’t as alone as they usually are.

I looked through the indices of the four packs for “isolate, isolation, destimulate, but couldn’t find anything. The index to the Red volumes shows quite a bit in the HCOBs, but I don’t think I have any PABs. In the four packs there are some references to HCOBs, but in my not too thorough look, I couldn’t find any reference to PABs. I’m sorry, I guess I’m just not motivated to do a major search. I can scan anything out of the four loose leaf packs, but the bound tech volumes would be a bitch to scan, anyway.

Jim was skeptical, however, and he says the family was paying Vallieres
$10,000 a month. “It’s a travesty,” he says. “They put them in small
cabins and padlocked the doors. We didn’t know that. He had been there
before and he never said anything about that.”

I wonder why!? If you were paranoid and not wanting to take meds you may suspect were “poisoning” you (as many with a history of psychosis tend to believe when their condition starts to deteriorate) – you probably wouldn’t want to mention the unbelievably punitive treatment either. Oh, except Jim then contradicts himself shortly after by admitting that his brother had in fact made repeated phone calls about being held against his will the last time he was at the facility! Which leads me to an aside: I thought the Introspection Rundown protocol shouldn’t allow the victim patient to even have access to a mobile phone in the first place, but I’m certainly glad ‘Nathan’ did…

And yes, it is “hard” for someone who has been floridly psychotic to recover if they’ve been untreated for a long time. The longer without the appropriate medication and therapy, sadly, the less responsive the individual is likely to be. Some treated this way no doubt will end up entirely without prospect of any degree of rehabilitation.

My mother has been a Psych.RN specializing in Community Mental Health for over 20 years, and admittedly, the fate of a handful of her most treatment-resistant Clients has been particularly grim. They are the exception, however. This really makes me wish that Scientologists would deign to pull their heads out of 1950-something, take a good look around, and realize the enormous bounds that have been made into understanding the neurological basis and treatment of psychiatric illnesses and the human rights afforded those who suffer from them in 1st World countries – before other incredibly vulnerable people are needlessly tormented and potentially killed under their neglect.

Now that is my kind of therapy! I can tickle with the best of them and Hugs Baby I Love Hugs. Nicole and tc in the wildflowers, we can do them a hell of a lot better and invite Tom Petty to sing for us whilst we weave flower crowns..Today I feel like absolute S###! Excuse my French. Walter W went to Edinburgh Scotland trip was eight days for his only nieces wedding she went to U of Edinburgh and married a sweet Scottish lad. But he brought back the dreaded change to four different planes in less than 24 hours travel virus and of course I got it. He had a blast as his paternal family is from Edinburgh and I wade through Puffs and pulled muscles from coughing. But the MRI minus that magnetic racket was clean. How are you Sweetie you sound alot better and for that I send more Hugs. I was in a book called Madmam or Messiah one of the early ones, but my chapter was used without my real name, I gave no permission did not even see the book till it came out & what I had originally written had been greatly embellished. Bummer that led me away from publishing houses and promises because I was told public domain Tough. So now I can collect all the escape Scientology books and I do and have them around me. I do love to write but save the beautiful for The Bunker, Rinder’s, elsewhere and of course Baby so true and shining. Love you Angel.💖