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	Comments on: Scientology submits names of 500 members to federal court as ordered, but there&#8217;s a catch	</title>
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		By: Jenyfurrrrr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2017 06:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1826982&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s what&#039;s disappointing to me - I remembering studying that and how the allies helped author that together. So why is my country so blind when it comes to the same thing here?!?! Rhetorical but you get what I mean - just sad that in Germany they GET it and use the law
to protect, whereas here our leadership hides behind what they can so they don&#039;t have to deal with it just yet...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1826982">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what&#8217;s disappointing to me &#8211; I remembering studying that and how the allies helped author that together. So why is my country so blind when it comes to the same thing here?!?! Rhetorical but you get what I mean &#8211; just sad that in Germany they GET it and use the law<br />
to protect, whereas here our leadership hides behind what they can so they don&#8217;t have to deal with it just yet&#8230;</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2017 05:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1826765&quot;&gt;Jenyfurrrrr&lt;/a&gt;.

I understand that it was partially written by the allies with a &#039;never again&#039; agenda and subsequently embraced by the German people - hence the close interest in the totalitarian aspects of Scientology shown by official agencies designed to defend that constitution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1826765">Jenyfurrrrr</a>.</p>
<p>I understand that it was partially written by the allies with a &#8216;never again&#8217; agenda and subsequently embraced by the German people &#8211; hence the close interest in the totalitarian aspects of Scientology shown by official agencies designed to defend that constitution.</p>
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		By: Jenyfurrrrr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenyfurrrrr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2017 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1825153&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

You mean, they actually have a &quot;learn from our biggest mistakes&quot; portion of their constitution? Wow it would be really cool if the US could incorporate something like that!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1825153">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>You mean, they actually have a &#8220;learn from our biggest mistakes&#8221; portion of their constitution? Wow it would be really cool if the US could incorporate something like that!</p>
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		By: Jenyfurrrrr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenyfurrrrr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 07:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-2/#comment-1821224&quot;&gt;Derek&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey this looks like my dog!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-2/#comment-1821224">Derek</a>.</p>
<p>Hey this looks like my dog!!!</p>
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		By: Jenyfurrrrr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenyfurrrrr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 07:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-2/#comment-1821279&quot;&gt;Derek&lt;/a&gt;.

That kills me D! I want to go back to your 10yo self, give you a hug, tell you you&#039;re amazing, to dream big &#038; be a KID and SMACK the faces of those who robbed you of that at 10!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-2/#comment-1821279">Derek</a>.</p>
<p>That kills me D! I want to go back to your 10yo self, give you a hug, tell you you&#8217;re amazing, to dream big &amp; be a KID and SMACK the faces of those who robbed you of that at 10!!!</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1823783&quot;&gt;Jenyfurrrrr&lt;/a&gt;.

Because Germany has a post-war constitution specifically designed in the aftermath of Nazism to prevent totalitarian organisation establishing themselves in the country ever again. 

The US constitution privileges religious organisations to an astonishing extent without troubling to define what a religion actually &lt;I&gt;is&lt;/I&gt; - so a totalitarian organisation like Scientology can do whatever it wants by calling itself a religion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1823783">Jenyfurrrrr</a>.</p>
<p>Because Germany has a post-war constitution specifically designed in the aftermath of Nazism to prevent totalitarian organisation establishing themselves in the country ever again. </p>
<p>The US constitution privileges religious organisations to an astonishing extent without troubling to define what a religion actually <i>is</i> &#8211; so a totalitarian organisation like Scientology can do whatever it wants by calling itself a religion.</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1824676</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 04:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1820735&quot;&gt;Sine qua non&lt;/a&gt;.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/725db858d67609e6680c9c10c46d80ca42ca7ca7059e91d72edebc5a3490a141.png 

https://youtu.be/OxT2MeX_Nvk?t=55


Ben is the guy in the gray shirt in the top photo.   The value of Darth Xander&#039;s videos is just a huge wealth of on the spot photo reality of people at Flag at those moments.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1820735">Sine qua non</a>.</p>
<p><a href="https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/725db858d67609e6680c9c10c46d80ca42ca7ca7059e91d72edebc5a3490a141.png" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/725db858d67609e6680c9c10c46d80ca42ca7ca7059e91d72edebc5a3490a141.png</a> </p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/OxT2MeX_Nvk?t=55" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/OxT2MeX_Nvk?t=55</a></p>
<p>Ben is the guy in the gray shirt in the top photo.   The value of Darth Xander&#8217;s videos is just a huge wealth of on the spot photo reality of people at Flag at those moments.  </p>
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		By: chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1820735&quot;&gt;Sine qua non&lt;/a&gt;.

Ben Shaw has been the long term OSA guy at Flag Clearwater.   

In some YouTube videos by Darth Xander, he catches a great shot of Ben walking out of  the building after chow.

I knew Ben as a student on a staff training course at Flag long ago when I was a course supervisor for training staff there in that same building that Ben&#039;s walking into in Xander&#039;s video.   I remember Ben from  1979, 1980, 1981 or so.    He used to be in Flag Guardian&#039;s Office, and then switched into OSA Flag when that transition occured. 

The all time Hubbard theoretical writings for OSA are thanks to the leaked pack of training issues by Frank Oliver, a must read for experts, these OSA Network Orders  tell Ben how to operate.  

https://www.scribd.com/document/48399838/Frank-Oliver-Full-Hat

Eternal thanks for Frank Oliver&#039;s contribution to sharing Hubbard&#039;s nasty OSA theory policies.  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1820735">Sine qua non</a>.</p>
<p>Ben Shaw has been the long term OSA guy at Flag Clearwater.   </p>
<p>In some YouTube videos by Darth Xander, he catches a great shot of Ben walking out of  the building after chow.</p>
<p>I knew Ben as a student on a staff training course at Flag long ago when I was a course supervisor for training staff there in that same building that Ben&#8217;s walking into in Xander&#8217;s video.   I remember Ben from  1979, 1980, 1981 or so.    He used to be in Flag Guardian&#8217;s Office, and then switched into OSA Flag when that transition occured. </p>
<p>The all time Hubbard theoretical writings for OSA are thanks to the leaked pack of training issues by Frank Oliver, a must read for experts, these OSA Network Orders  tell Ben how to operate.  </p>
<p><a href="https://www.scribd.com/document/48399838/Frank-Oliver-Full-Hat" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.scribd.com/document/48399838/Frank-Oliver-Full-Hat</a></p>
<p>Eternal thanks for Frank Oliver&#8217;s contribution to sharing Hubbard&#8217;s nasty OSA theory policies.  </p>
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		By: Jenyfurrrrr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenyfurrrrr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2017 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1824093&quot;&gt;Popelfritze&lt;/a&gt;.

Perfect. 

Let me know when you&#039;ve got it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1824093">Popelfritze</a>.</p>
<p>Perfect. </p>
<p>Let me know when you&#8217;ve got it!</p>
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		By: Jenyfurrrrr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenyfurrrrr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2017 08:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1822518&quot;&gt;Popelfritze&lt;/a&gt;.

PS - Blown for Good was one of the first I&#039;d read, then Amy Scobee&#039;s, Tony&#039;s Miss Lovely, then one of Marty Rathbuns (too pro-Scio for me) and then I found Janet Reitman&#039;s book, Leah&#039;s Troublemaker came out... I haven&#039;t yet read B. messiah and I need to!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/04/27/scientology-submits-names-of-500-members-to-federal-court-but-with-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-1822518">Popelfritze</a>.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Blown for Good was one of the first I&#8217;d read, then Amy Scobee&#8217;s, Tony&#8217;s Miss Lovely, then one of Marty Rathbuns (too pro-Scio for me) and then I found Janet Reitman&#8217;s book, Leah&#8217;s Troublemaker came out&#8230; I haven&#8217;t yet read B. messiah and I need to!!!</p>
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