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DOX: Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard’s nutty scheme to strong-arm America’s psychologists

 
Wow, what a couple of days of reporting we’ve had. Big stuff is coming, but for now we have to keep a lid on it. In the meantime, our old friend Mark “Warrior” Plummer sent over a couple of nice items we thought you’d want to see.

The first item is from 1958, and it’s one of L. Ron Hubbard’s bolder scams. We wrote about it a couple of years ago, but Mark has sent us scans of the full document, a pamphlet put out by Hubbard in Washington D.C., trying to bully the country’s psychologists into signing “loyalty oaths” in order to make them subservient to Scientology. He even claimed that Vice President Richard Nixon supported the plan, which Nixon didn’t like at all. Read our earlier story to hear how Nixon apparently never forgot Hubbard’s attempt to use his name in this wacky scheme.

During a lecture, Hubbard explained how he wanted the scheme to work, as we explained previously…

Hubbard told his listeners at the Ability Congress that he wanted them to take copies of the loyalty oath and send it to every psychologist and psychiatrist in the country. The goal was “to place under the noses of every person in mental practice in the United States whether graduated from universities or anything else, a copy of this code and ask them to sign on the dotted line, whether it is done by mail or in person, and to carefully note down all those who refuse to sign it. Very important that last step,” he said.

Those people who signed the oath would be considered “safe.” They could then pay $80 in order to become “certified,” card-carrying NAAP members (Scientologists would pay only $25). Those that refused to take the loyalty oath would be labeled “potential subversive,” and those that “rail against it” would be labeled “subversive.”

Soak up the audacity of this document, and imagine that Hubbard actually thought he might convince the country’s psychologists to submit…

 



 
We asked Mark if he had anything else fun in his collection to send our way. Here’s what he said about the item below…

“This is one of my favorites because it’s so fucking wacky and cultish. It’s an insert (full size poster) to Auditor 14 World Wide (spring of 1966). Poster design by ‘Tom Esterbrook,’ one of Hubbard’s pseudonyms.”

 



 
That’s actually pretty creative and sure beats the crap they put out these days, seems to us.

 
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Ron Miscavige on the Joe Rogan podcast today

We played a small part in bringing together Ron Miscavige and Joe Rogan, and so we hope things go well today as the father of Scientology’s leader gets the Rogan experience.

 

Watch live here.

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Clearwater celebrity sighting — actual caption: “One of my favorite actors and so so nice .. lol I was just going to the porta potty and there he was.”

 

 
Actual caption: “Hi my friends!!!! I just got back from the International SMI convention aboard the Freewinds and it was just extraordinary!!! Lots of tools, excitement and exhilaration for the expansion that is coming!!! Look for Ocala Mission name! It is going to just absolutely big!!! I inviting you to be part of this adventure. Call me!!!”

 

 
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Countdown to Denver!

 

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,724 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,827 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,321 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,361 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,073 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 599 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,688 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,828 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,148 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,123 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 479 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,781 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 888 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,290 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,163 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 744 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,249 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,493 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,602 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on April 18, 2017 at 07:00

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The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
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Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
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  • Panopea Abrupta

    @PickAnotherID posted a list of North American missions and wondered about them.
    Here’s Boise, Idaho.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a19f10e24906b1954e1c956c4596b1e36d542da109c9f4cdb96fdaae0cd0f80.jpg

    Oh, dear, it’s a CPA’s office.
    Wait a minnit,

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/78151a73b81d370f6385fe8f92d422ba5b72629875b3c9004e1fa6d17ba5a589.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/82dd2b33674c1c4915d9eafee7a46755a0928f5fcadd17c2d5c1b2e6ef06cf0f.jpg

    I get it – there’s a bunch of Way to Happiness
    pamphlets lying around in the waiting area.
    While he goes through your numbers and tries
    to finagle you into joining if you have a bunch
    of folding.

    • April

      No completions since 2006? Tsk Tsk, Mr. Naugler!
      Since you’ve brought attention to it and we know OSA reads the Bunker comment section, I predict a harsh regging cycle in 3-2-1…

      • Harpoona Frittata

        2008 IJC memo to all orgs: “Robert R. Naugler, aka ‘The Butt Nuggler,’ is hereby stripped of all his certs and awards for failing to make adequate Bridge progress and refusing to report for regrooving, despite repeated warnings that his Eternity was on the line.”

        Rob, you can run from your friends in $cn, but you can not hide…remember, they really would rather have you dead than incapable!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    OK, let’s try Lake Oswego, Oregon.

    Street View gives me this:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/57c00365c369164a63ed6cfc8c1f7aa35ccf36c053ccc2cad3f4a76fd3196eee.jpg

    But I discover the property is for sale and $cientology is no longer listed as a tenant.
    The other 9 tenants are fine.
    Hmmm!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f26549c41b8378ee71e18577c33a225014b9715d3074f2e6c15e86efc0de1381.jpg

    Is there a pattern developing here?

    • Missionary Kid

      Yup. The small missions are closing That is sure evidence of collapse. There used to be missions in Upland and Rialto California. I’ve posted later about the business that’s replaced the mission in Upland: a neat gem store that sells geodes, crystals, fossils, and even meteorites. A nice guy runs it.

      There are missions listed when you google them that are not on pick another id’s list. I’m betting they’re going dark.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Go North, young man, go North.

    Anchorage, Alaska.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7c9e566d364b720b07d6e46eab75c5e0562b04d4fecadbec9a8846bcb3d061a9.jpg

    Thriving obviously despite zero signage.
    I would imagine Google Reviews are not helping the poor man.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/75620798b31e72f67973e2d30ef52f1e6d41c333b810cec5ae0add4b2a2327eb.jpg

    • itsIBBy

      OT: Pretty sure the company I work for made that building. POS, i mean COS reduced to a prefab metal structure? tsk tsk

  • … an official board in Washington, D.C. will issue validations based entirely upon … (2) Actual competence in practice regardless of “degrees”.

    so. many. things. to. say. about. this. i hope my “degree” in Hard Knocks & Street Smarts from the University Of Succulence isn’t in jeopardy.

  • Jgg2012

    How much will Scientology pay me to stop posting?

  • Holy crap. I didn’t realize how small the Freewinds is until I saw that picture. It’s tiny!

    • Noesis

      Indeed…compared to modern cruise ships, the Freewinds is quite puny.

      It’s sort of like an original DC-8 compared to an Airbus A380-800.

      Lol.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7d13fc45b5d360f637b59cc1d19e69d3644ec9c10afbff0aca64d3952b50b448.jpg

      • Rasha

        …and it could use fans….

        • Noesis

          The weird thing about Hubbard’s comments on “fans” on the DC-8 (and not on the Xenu space ships) is that the DC-8 was a jet.

          There are fan blades inside a jet engine of course, but from the context of Hubbard’s OT-3 materials it sound as if he was ignorant about what then passed for a modern passenger aircraft (a DC-8.)

          Or maybe he was just being sloppy.

          • Rasha

            Yup. Just making it up at the moment. Still – *whew* – could use fans…

          • Gus Cox

            “Ron the Aerospace Engineer.” lol.

          • Or not. The DC-8 Skybus was a prop powered airliner. It just didn’t get to be built, and the code number was reused.

            http://www.dc8.org/library/Skybus/article.php

            http://www.dc8.org/library/Skybus/yesteryear.jpg

            gets off hobby horse

          • Robert Eckert

            I assume he had heard that the DC-8 was the latest thing, but he really didn’t know what a jet engine was and could not imagine that the DC-8 wouldn’t have propellers like every other plane he knew. Part of his general inability to imagine new technology.

    • Happy you never got on board?
      No where to run or hide.

  • EricS

    That Loyalty Oath of Mental Practice is quite a document coming from L.Ron Hubbard and Scientology.

    Numbers 2 and four, and 6 through 18, are all agreements to not do things that Scientology (and Hubbard) do (did) regularly, with the exception of 14, which is pretty much an oath to not try to explain themselves to Hubbard or Scientology.

    No Scientology practitioner would be able to sign this oath and continue to align him/herself with Scientology.

    Fascinating.

  • Tommy Prophet

    Off topic.

    They got ‘im
    No posts on Marty’s blog for over 3 months.
    Curious……..

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Uh-oh, that means that The Oracle has been at large for months now and searching for a new platform from which to dispense her pearls of wizdumb!

      Fake news alert: The announcement of The Oracle’s marriage to Alanzo that’s been circulating around is just someone’s wishful stinking. In reality, these two intrepid anti-anti-$cn crusaders have pledged not to consummate their love until the corporate Co$ and the ASC both acknowledge how wrong they’ve been and pledge to follow the Middle Path that Marty Mark has taped out for all to follow.

      • lol

      • Tommy Prophet

        She’s in rehab. It’s not easy to withdraw from a 100 post-a-day habit.

    • Juicer77

      Who? 😉

      • Graham

        You know. Morty Rayban wasn’t it?

        • Juicer77

          Oh yeah, Marshy Rashbum. (Thanks, Johnny!)

  • John McGhee

    Jive Aces to play at Jazz Festival in Northern Ireland next week http://www.cityofderryjazzfestival.com/

    • Kestrel

      If only I had known in time to book the trip…

      • John McGhee

        My poor rocker’s ears will try to endure

    • Sad to see.

    • April

      Eew. I don’t see how the Irish folks will have any patience for the Jive Asses.

      • John McGhee

        Indeed, ignorance is bliss; those urine-coloured suits happen to play there a lot.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m sure that they’ll claim it’a a part of their “international tour”.

      • John McGhee

        😄 next step, their inter-planetary one

        • Missionary Kid

          Let’s send them to Venus or Mars.

  • sizzle8

    I count 65 non-crew attendees.
    That’s a telling number.
    In Mike Rinder’s blog, a 2014 post counted about 94 missions that reported stats even though Scientology claimed over 300 missions on their website.
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/many-scientology-missions/
    It’s pretty clear that if they can only pressure 65 people to attend worldwide, there has been considerable shrinkage.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/270ab8c31e7f5fbf8fdb17d7b0c8b905507175bf07f1246b002e1aa18321753c.jpg

    • Kestrel

      I wonder how many were +1s. No need for four-to-a-room on that excursion.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Totally true, but my bet is that many of those posing in that pic are spouses or co-mission holders, so the total number of missions represented at that SMI conference is likely to have been even fewer than 65!

      • WhiteCentauress

        Oops…just saw your post. I thought the same thing, so totally agree. It’s sad that they think great expansion is yet to come. Always the carrot on the stick…

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      “Considerable shrinkage” are two words no man wants to hear.

      • April

        “Look, you don’t understand. There was shrinkage!”

    • WhiteCentauress

      Considering that at least a few couples came, that further diminishes the number of actual missions represented.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    So he’s reached the desperation of crusin’ around the porta potty? If he’s not careful he’ll get arrested like George Michael. Mark Ebner had a great article on Travolta’s behavior but can’t seem to pull it up. I’ll post if I can get the link to work.

  • DexterSka

    Look I was about to use the bathroom and I found John Travolta lurking here.

  • J. Swift

    When the Coroner told me that $3 billion was found in the decedent’s wallet, I was able to positively confirm the body as being Scientology.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5f1d8b41d60331c5bcfa39dfa0b67d427c68c0832f838b404aa9c212a0cd8299.png

    • And nary a tear was shed.

      • J. Swift

        Other items of interest on the decedent’s person:

        1. A membership card for the National Academy of American Psychology.

        2. An IAS membership card.

        3. A photo of Darlene’s tramp stamp (the original one before she met Jimmy that night)

        4. A signed prescription for medical marijuana.

        5. A Sea Org emergency locator beacon.

        6. A newly-filled prescription bottle full of Percocet.

        7. The telephone numbers of lawyers and bail bonds companies in San Jacinto, Hollywood, Clearwater, Tampa, and NYC.

        8. A fully loaded Glock model 19

        9. A flask full of scotch.

        10. Long lists of train schedules for various countries: USA (including Canada), Japan, Russia, the UK, Finland, Mexico, etc.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’d love to see that at Big Blue.

  • This guy at STAAD League must have tried every word combination in his book by now
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/898977db39e7d21520b46ea11db4c4c36a1cc197b109160303a886ee74f3202a.jpg

    • April

      Who put the “Brainwashed?” in there? The STAAD folks?

      • Yes 🙂 it’s been going back and forth like this for the last couple of days.. and whats this about the Muslims ha ha

        • April

          That’s bizarre, even for scientologists.

    • abdaman

      What is this?

      • It’s a robot that keep records of every change they make on those pages, day by day, hour by hour.

        • abdaman

          You guys are crazy tech savvy

  • $cnMonkeyNut$

    OK–monkey’s done today’s forms… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a7e2a9eaf8f6d35047d8de055aaf78588bea9a9a46ce3a3c073e3b9cef46fb64.jpg … where are we supposed to be mailing them?…:)

    • April

      LMAO @ “foreign simian”

    • flyonthewall

      I don’t want to like shatter your world or anything but your avatar is a chimp, which is an ape, and your name is $cnMonkeyNut$

      This is a problem

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        F5 🙂

        • flyonthewall

          Now all is correct with the world.

          I saw a wittle teeny baby Orangutan at the zoo last weekend. Its mom was under a blanket and his little 2.5ft high self came waddling over to her and got under the blanky with her and they were just lovin and lovin on each other. IT WAS SO DAMN CUTE!!!

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            🙂 They are sooooo cute at that age.

            • Sine qua non

              Yeah, just wait till it hits primate puberty. Then it will be a whole ‘nother story. Raging ape hormones are the WORST! 😱

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              *sighs*I know… got to enjoy the cute phase while it lasts… 🙂

      • chukicita

        Yes. A tail, or you’re Apenuts.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          If we’re going down that route then it would have to be $cnApeSh!t ! 😉

          • chukicita

            Works for me!

      • abdaman

        His name is clearly Science Monkeying Nutford III

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Ah, yes… well… the trouble was that when I created the disqus account, there was a character limit (which wasn’t enough for my full name), so I had to shorten it slightly!

    • abdaman

      very lovely handwriting!

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        Thank you 🙂

    • Juicer77

      Bravo, bravo!! Next time we meet up I wanna hear the belching trick!

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        *bows*Thank you… I shall start preparing immediately :)(… and hopefully should be able to belch a few letters by the time you arrive!… )

  • flyonthewall

    What’s the big story I wonder? Maybe Tony found the marble in the oatmeal??

    • Jimmy3

      If it was one of yours, it’s not gonna be big.

      • flyonthewall

        you and flylady have been talking a lot I see

      • Jimmy3

        I have to sit down and breathe for just a minute. That zing was so hard it drained most of my chi

        • flyonthewall

          are you better now? You need some water or something?

          • Jimmy3

            Yeah, I’ll be alright. Y?

            • flyonthewall

              I’m good

            • Jimmy3

              So no Y then?

            • flyonthewall

              are you asking me if I want to go to the YMCA? That’s kinda gay

            • Jimmy3

              No. In honor of Porta John, I was offering you a happy ending…
              But you’re right. The YMCA is super duper gay.

            • flyonthewall
            • Jimmy3

              Oh alright. It was only disqus that was knocked unconscious. I’ve accomplished nothing.

              I’m okay with it.

            • Jimmy3

              Damn dude, I’ve never once seen you stunned into silence. I feel like I’ve accomplished something here. This has been a productive chat.

            • DoveAlexa

              My moment has come! I have a remix of YMCA mashed-up with Hans Zimmer’s time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsoCe7C4Kmk

            • flyonthewall

              you arouse feelings in me that are both frightening and exhilarating. It took me a bit to gather myself

          • Draco

            Don’t water the clover!! That’s like feeding the gremlins after midnight…

            • flyonthewall

              I think you mean feeding mogwais after midnight bc that’s how they turn into gremlins. I don’t think anything happens to a gremlin if it eats after midnight.

            • Jimmy3

              Do you ever wonder what happens to mogwais when they change timezones while snacking? This is the kinda stuff that keeps me up at night.

            • flyonthewall

              You do with Mogwai what your society has done with all of nature’s gifts! You do not understand! You are not ready. Perhaps someday, you may be ready. Until then, Mogwai will be waiting

            • Draco

              Ah thanks. I couldn’t remember what they were called before turning into gremlins and was too lazy to do a search 🙂

            • flyonthewall

              it’s ok, everyone calls them gremlins, I was just being anal retentive 🙂

    • Newiga

      It bet it’s a fly in Scientology’s soup (tacky pun intended).

      • flyonthewall

        tacky puns are the best kind of puns

        • Newiga

          Indeed! ^_^

  • Cheap & Nothing Wasted

    I guess Travolta didn’t want to wear his rug that day, so he has that goofy little hat on.

    • DexterSka

      You’d think he’d spruce himself up before hanging around the Port o Potties

      • mandymarie20

        I don’t know why he didn’t insist on facing a different direction. The jokes write themselves. The pork pie looking hat … the Port o Johns … someone needs a new minder.

        • DexterSka

          Not as exciting as the time I met PeeWee Hermon at the movies.

          • Missionary Kid

            Did he have his overcoat on?

            • DexterSka

              Yeah but almoat everybody did at this theater. You know I think John Travolta was there too.

            • Missionary Kid

              I doubt it, unless it was gay porn showing.

            • DexterSka

              I have already said too much this theater doesn’t like us talking about it too much.

            • MrsShark

              Why don’t you just draw everyone a map?

            • DexterSka

              Sorry, left my pen in my pants.

    • chukicita

      That rug’s too hot for Florida.

  • mockingbird

    Sunny reminded me of the time during the renos for the Buffalo New York ideal org when a Sea Org member told me the reason for the golden age of tech was that many people could not get FNs in auditing. For metered auditing to be considered standard it usually needs an FN at the end.

    So, I knew that was true at small orgs and missions but she told me even Flag cannot consistently train auditors. No one can. The technology doesn’t work, even by its own internal requirements. Leave out making clears and OTs, etc. and Scientology still always fails. Oopsies!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      So, was that before or after lil davey got it into his fool head that an F/N was only valid if the needle makes three swings on the dial?

      Squirrel boi and his not-so merry band of enthralled thetanists sure did “fix” $cn, didn’t they?

      • mockingbird

        Good question. I honestly don’t know the chronology of that series of innovations.

  • DoveAlexa

    While I realize it’s an occupational hazard for coming here but I really hate it when I turn up and see hubbards face.
    Let’s replace it with something else, anything else, and just caption it ‘not pictured: human cist’.

  • Ann B Watson

    Mark is so creative & amazing because the Auditor, lord how many mailbags of that did I stuff during the bulk mailings on the loading dock at old Asho!, however none of all the ones I stuffed were as loosey goosey as Ron’s that Mark showed! Today I feel the promo is doa. The docs about Ron’s wild wish regarding the mental health profession, wacky yes but to me showing the control command obey mania he always had within him. Thank you Mark, hugs from me💛

  • Ann B Watson

    Forgot to put the Sucess Story about the $Winds made me have to read it twice. If all this lady got from her visit besides an empty wallet was tools, excitement and exhilaration for the Expansion that is always coming but never arrives, boy did she hit the wrong ship! That tub looks so creaky & you never know where the blue dust hides y’all. Not something your OT powers can change, it is what is is and is Bad for all living things. Miss Ann knows…..⛴ 💣 ❤️

  • Sci-Fi

    An interesting fact about Ron’s pseudonym, Tom Esterbrook.

    “Esterbrook is a small town in Wyoming, located between where Ron was born and grew up, in Nebraska and Montana. The name makes a great pun as a “pen name,” because it was the name of perhaps the most prolific maker of pens in the United States at one time, known especially for their fountain pens, which of course have nibs, which is what Ron nicknamed his first son.”

    • Ann B Watson

      Thank you! Tidbits I never knew.❤️

  • Missionary Kid

    I’m coming to the conclusion that most of the smaller missions are closing.
    The one in Rialto has disappeared.
    The one in Upland has been supplanted by a neat store called Gems A Plenty, which has all sorts of fascinating rocks for sale: geodes, meteorites, crystals & fossils. I talked to the very friendly owner, and he said that they’ve been there for about a year.

    When I asked him what had been in that location before, he thought it was a Christian Science Reading Room. I told him that it was a $cientology mission, and that I keep track of Co$ because I have a friend that got ripped off by them.

    Here’s a plug for the business. 575 N Central Ave, Upland, CA 91786 Tel: 909-985-1999
    https://www.facebook.com/Gems-A-Plenty-191565678246/?ref=page_internal
    http://www.gemsaplenty.com/

  • JT reduced to visiting the portapotty glory holes? You’d think he could afford a jiggalo or an escort.

  • nottrue

    Come on City stick it to DM. I want to see the steam coming out of his ears.. . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6b00d8bd84a7321b232f4cdab46128eab81d66a8274affc4a31d0ef49f197be0.jpg .

  • mandymarie20

    This entire Loyalty Oath seems to be a case of ‘Thou doth protest too much” – no brainwashing, don’t treat people for reasons of self-interest, don’t protect criminals, discourage violence against the mentally ill, refuse to contribute money to organizations that impede science, refuse to accept money from people you can’t help, refuse to advertise, to render ‘good treatment’, to engage in no unseemly disputes with the uninformed about the profession, refuse to interfere with the lives of people, refer people to competent medical treatment, to hold secrets in confidence, https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3602c2be37225e3598ec20366719a1aa179f5221ba2909ded07c194838756280.gif

    • April

      What’s ironic is most of those issues are already addressed in the ethics section of psychologist licensing requirements (initial licensing as well as ongoing licensing) and for membership with the APA, including not accepting patients whose problems are outside of your skill level/areas of expertise. Not just don’t accept money from them, but don’t accept them as clients! Refer them to someone who CAN help them. Fuck you, CO$, for not adhering to this; if you did, then Lisa McPherson would probably still be alive.

  • nottrue
    • Harpoona Frittata

      Hilarious! I initially misread that as “…your fans from Bulgravia” 😉

      • Robert Eckert

        A BIG HELLO!

  • Mick Roberts

    Perhaps this has already been posted (been busy as hell this week), but Tracey McManus seems to think the City Council will vote in favor of purchasing the Aquarium land.

    “But Hamilton said he is planning to vote for the purchase because the
    city can redevelop it to benefit all 110,000 Clearwater residents — not
    just Scientology parishioners. Mayor George Cretekos and council member
    Doreen Caudell also say they have decided to vote on buying the
    property, making it a majority of the five-member panel in favor of the
    action.”

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientologists-and-others-step-up-the-pressure-as-clearwater-nears-vote-on/2320632

    • Harpoona Frittata

      I’ll be interested see which, if any, council members vote against the purchase which would, in effect, be giving their tacit approval for the cult’s acquisition of that parcel. There was one in particular who sounded like he’d been turned to the Dark Side by the clampire.

      If it does pass, it will be a small, but important victory for a city that has already ceded far too much to the cult for far too long. Sad to say, but as long as the cult continues to dominate downtown CW, I just don’t think there’s much the city can do to revitalize the area.

      • Mick Roberts

        I would be interested in that as well. If the vote is already in the bag, it would take a political dumbass to vote against it in my opinion. The other 110,000 Clearwater residents might take notice when the next election rolls around.

    • Gus Cox

      I wonder if ol’ Slappy Dave will sue if the City buys the land?

      • Mick Roberts

        Sure, let him do it. Then drag his ass in for a deposition.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    So Oregon and Alaska were a wash.
    Let’s look up somewhere in between the 2.
    How about a Mission in the state of Washington?
    Google is a critic’s best friend:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a388cfadd102e17feb1590046b976bc8ff592e69d6fa6b6575c1ddc868b81db9.jpg

    Hang on, what’s that?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7c338969bda1b00a4a2430b3e79e668a61d16137e86874e95d7c4804fe7b311.jpg

    Tut tut, Cap’n Billy.
    Let’s try Yelp instead –

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a5845e03cb32847c76c5e27e17a9aa2b31d03b00d4c31f6c3a1cc4bb492a8cb8.jpg

    How is that affecting business?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/30ecd6fcc2997782e366bec11de1b214b78b9c2d99c5f43a4c9bc198a2271627.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3e807f1eb405d862fca46d5297d1ebf7486c0e8fb7475a4e81c469f9b3dafaee.png

    8 staff, with a turnover of $500k/annum.
    Rice and beans all round after DM takes his cut.

    Here’s the place, by the way, bought on April 15th, 1997, 20 years ago almost to the day.
    Straight up and vertical, no doubt –

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3a60ff03e927edfcad7eb48c317273c6339774a9189dc0ba16beb9b671aec878.jpg

    • Nice to see Cap’n Billy (Drummond)’s piccy is still there. The sods deleted all mine ;(

      • Billy’s images do seem to bear a charmed life.

        One theory is that the CofS know that, if they try to get them deleted, he will come back with twice as many.

        He put them everywhere, all over the world, and recently got an email from Google congratulating him on a total of no less than half a million hits.

      • WhiteCentauress

        Shows you’re getting to them, Mark.

    • WhiteCentauress
      • WhiteCentauress

        Haha…just noticed that the bar is called “Cheers”

      • ReallyMGM

        The Scientology property there is actually a chiropractor’s office who only sells “Dianetics.” The Scientology hours listed are only about 8 hours a week, but actually by appt only. Just goes to show you can’t believe a thing CoS says….

        A decade later, the Central Ave. location never sold according to city tax documents. The last price it was listed at on MLS was around 1M (and will never sell for half that price.) The story behind that mission is wild. Mike Rinder wrote about it years ago.

        • WhiteCentauress

          Seems none of their websites are truthful and many aren’t current. One blog I looked at listed Scientology celebrities, and Leah was still listed. Funny. 😂💦

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Lol…”Dianetics Fundation Bellevue” Sorry, you silly $cilons, there’s precious little “fun” going on there!

      • WhiteCentauress

        I thought they were using “fund”. Very Scientological.

    • April

      Wow, what a dump.

      • Liberated

        You took the words out of my mouth.

  • You may not realise that Auditor poster pull-out wasn’t the first Esterbrook/Hubbard “collaboration”. (Potent stuff, those correction-fluid fumes):

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ab00fef294419176f871858fc48482f4e47aeeb6dc95dbe98be550ebc1eb29a1.jpg

    • Observer

      VWD!

      • flyonthewall

        you know how Pearl Jam and Soundgarden combined to make a super group called Temple of the Dog? Or like how the lions combine to make Voltron? Or the Justice League and their whole thing? You and Mark. Think about it

        • JaxNGold

          Temple of The Dog was one of my favorite bands in high school. Still love em’.

          • flyonthewall

            *high five*

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Lol…”Cheeky, twat-basket, thunder cunt” !

    • Newiga

      Dennis the Dianetics Lion! xD I thought ticks where the Dianetics spirit animal.

    • Juicer77

      I keep thinking I’ll find Snortimer somewhere in there…

      • He’s there, Bumbo too, but in disgruntled disguise 🙂

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Bottom left? (ETA: Noticed an Elephant and Castle lurking down there)

          • And flaking off the poster because they’re Mecanorma, not Letraset 😉

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Heh heh (quel dommage!) 🙂

  • daisy

    can someone help me ? My screen became to large to read except to scroll back and forth sideways. I have tried rebooting . I

    • flyonthewall

      using IE or Chrome?

      • daisy

        I have tried IE and fire fox – both have too large print

        • flyonthewall

          go to View, it’s right below the address bar at the top, and then go to Zoom. Set it to 100%

          eta – when using IE

    • DoveAlexa

      Have you tried typing Ctrl and 0? Holding control and pressing the – or + key will change the size as well.

      • daisy

        That did it !! Thank you . I was getting frustrated . Thank you all

      • flyonthewall

        short cuts are for newbs

        • DoveAlexa

          Try Alt and F4, it does something really neat!

          • flyonthewall

            i asked the google what that does and it said to not listen to dove bc he’s a jerk

    • You might have accidentally hit the control and plus (+) key at the same time – which is a shortcut to enlarging a portion of the screen. If so control minus (-) will do the opposite. and restore the original size.

    • Try looking through the wrong end of a telescope.

      • daisy

        goof – I did try squinting

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Thanks, Eivol 🙂

      • Pops gets to swear on this one!

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Cool–pottymouth pops!

          • He knew about the google.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              … on his Kindle, no less (running slightly behind, had a brief RL intrusion!)

        • April

          After watching, I can affirm that Ron is fluent with the f-word.

    • pluvo

      Over 15,000 visitors and steadily rising. Popop will certainly sell some more books.

      • April

        22,000 watching now!

        ETA: It got up to 24,000 by the end of the show.

    • Liberated

      Thanks E E.

    • abdaman

      Is it just me or should Joe rogan, after interviewing all of these people, know a lot more about scientology by now than he seems to?

      • Philbyification

        Yes, but not as bad as smarter “walkin a fine line of Scilon favour” Carolla, the Two-Faced!! lol “The New Hit Imaginary Mary…blah blah blah” Barf! Almost as bad as BeeGee saying their success was down to Travolta blah blah blah….Barf x’s 2. So ultimately the $cilons are given ALL credit!! bwahahaha Desperate PR attempts.

  • Bob Crouch

    And here’s a real prize from the gibberish department, from the grandmaster of verbal diarrhea:

    “It is an axiom in Dianetics that a sufficient quantity of theta brought into proximity with entheta will disenturbulate the entheta and convert it into theta.” – LRH, Science of Survival

    So WHY OH WHY do these folks have to sweat is so every time someone utters a critical (or often even just neutral) word?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Simple, SPs are the real OT super beings on the planet! Our mere presence can unmock their essential beingness in no time flat, leaving their BTs to mind the store, which just never works out well for them. We can even do it at a distance and even the mere mention of some Super SP’s, like Tony or Leah, can put them in a dither.

      Sure, they may have re-treaded the PTS/SP course three times already, but when they’re up against a serious SP out here in the real world their “Confront and Shatter” turns to “Tuck Tail and Run” every single time!

    • A “Dwindle” being the collective noun for a group of Scientologists, a “Quake” is a group of enturbulated Scientologists as they tremble so much.

  • Jimmy3

    Pan got me looking, and it explained so much. The reason the Church of Scientology Mission of Cleveland is so thoroughly devoid of… anything, really, is because all the raw meatpeople are actually looking for a building that is 1,100 miles south. On Cleveland Street in Clearwater. So, yeah, definitely took a wrong turn somewhere.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/44641632738a5f93498d36514dd688ec262783eb65e00ea4b78763a52124ef40.jpg

    • Noesis

      “Meatpeople.”

      Lol.

  • Ardent Atheists Podcast with Ron Miscavige. I watched the webcast last night. It was VERY well done. The hosts are both informed and funny. Ron is very well-spoken.

    The webcast was ninety minutes long. Apparently, they put up only the first hour for free.

    One thing that came out during the interview is that it was the people at Mythicist Milwaukee who set up Ron with his new website, Twitter account, official Facebook page, and on social media generally. Very cool.

    http://ardentatheist.com/episode-202/

    /

  • Wryturman

    Commenting on Co$ criticism response videos, as well as the ones criticizing Co$, is a rewarding way to work on one’s writing chops, as in this comment I posted on a Youtube vid of The Defector:

    “Growing revelation of Co$ tactics of denial, deception, and disclaiming.
    For Dear Leader D. Miscavage: Listen..Lo!..do you hear the rising cry heralding retribution, Oh CoB? can you hear it echoing off the barren walls of your empty cathedrals, your lifeless gilded palaces of hate?
    Know that we have your twisted visage in our sights and you will expire like a frog in a slowly boiling cookpot, its temperature rising incessantly from fires fueled by justice, with flames stoked by warriors of truth.
    You’ll boil gradually, your decline exquisitely prolonged, as you live the growing nightmare that you’ve so heartlessly engineered for those hapless souls ensnared in your dark web of evil.
    Sleep well this eve, Father of Lies, a warmer dawn awaits your waking on the morrow.”

    Obssessive, surely, but what fun!

  • pluvo

    Ron Miscavige promoting the Underground Bunker – 24,000 visitors. We need to clean up and to whom it may concern: behave yourself ;).

    • flyonthewall

      ikr. Obs has been out of control lately

      • Juicer77

        * shuts Fly in the closet *
        Just kidding, man, you know I luvs you. 😉

      • Rasha

        …and can we sweep these Legos into related groups???

    • Juicer77

      *fluffs the sofa cushions and vacuums really fast*

    • Liberated

      Okay..

    • Jimmy3

      Nope. Not this time. I’ll be at Church all evening. The plumbing there is incredible.

    • Rasha

      24,000??? *starts to unpack the good china*

      …this could take some time….. WHO’S MAKING THE DEVILED EGGS???

      • pluvo

        24,000 in Joe Rogans show.

        • Rasha

          *stops*

          *stands there, holding good china, halfway between cabinet and table*

          *stares in indecision*

          • pluvo

            Just the drinks.

            • Rasha

              *comes slowly back to reality…*

              Gotcha!

          • Liberated

            No chipped china…..cruise might find out and write us up.!

            • Rasha

              Dagnabbit…. Hold off the visitors. Gah! …okay – here’s a good plate…… Here’s anoth- no, hold on… Here’s one……

            • Liberated

              Look how we all flip-out over an interview, everybody starts posting, we’re making food, etc…..just imagine what it’s gonna be like when ” Aftermath ” returns ?
              Wow !

            • Rasha

              *…..stops*

              *… drops china…*

              …oh, jeeze. I may need a hug…. and a new nailgun coil…..

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              (((((((((Rasha))))))))))*hands over nailgun coil*;)

            • Rasha

              (((((Monkey)))))
              …. just a little scared about that scenario… I know it’s coming…. so many guests…. so little unchipped china…..

              *click*

            • Liberated

              Don’t be afraid to ask for help, dear.

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        … got a delivery of a hundredweight of finest hollandaise sauce here–where shall I put it?

      • Liberated

        I will…mine are pretty good.
        How many dozen eggs should I buy ?

      • April

        I brought the fruit jello mold!
        Is this a southern-style shindig? If so, I can make some Ambrosia. http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/ambrosia-recipe

    • Mark Foster
      • pluvo

        I like that image. Actually the F-word, especially in the form of “WTF?”, doesn’t bother me and I use it myself. Probably also because it was constantly used in the Sea Org and I got used to it.
        It’s other stuff when it gets to sexed up or gross (excremental). Btw, I didn’t grow up prude at all. Besides that I don’t like it, it’s more about the concern about it degrading the comments section and concerns about it turning away other people. On the other hand I don’t get the point talking and posting about e.g. underwear and such in general.
        Although I like the insider jokes and stuff, sometimes, when I read the comments section from some years ago – and of course it evolves – I can’t help but realize that the niveau was different, and although certainly many people just moved on, I’m wondering if that is the only reason.
        Just saying, not pointing at you specifically. I’m always happy to see you here and am always glad when you are back again after your Bunker hiatus’. 🙂

        • Mark Foster

          I get what you´re saying.
          You, to me: ¨Foster, focus! ¨
          Seriously, thanks for the feedback/explanation. And, yes, nothing stays the same; the character of the Bunker comments section keeps changing. I started commenting roughly 4 years ago…
          Cheers 🙂

  • Todd Tomorrow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kr0RCwUp3o According to Mark Ebner the guy in the jock strap to the right was Travolta’s lover for years. I’m not for outing anybody but when you support a hateful cult that is blackmailing you it’s time. From the movie, Perfect Travolta got him a part.

    • Juicer77

      This story has been around for years. And who cares anyway?
      Give the greyhounds some love from me 🙂

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I will we are going for our hike at dusk today. Makes them run more.

        • Juicer77

          I saw a lab and a grey tearing thru the park the other day. After a while the lab just gave up. LOL

          • Todd Tomorrow

            What amazes me is how they compete when they run into other Greyhounds.

          • Noesis

            I saw two greyhounds run down and tear a (real) rabbit into about 15 pieces.

            They are incredibly fast and it was pretty gruesome to see.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I’ve seen them do it to three big skunks while being blasted in the face. All three got bitten pretty good by the last one a big male.

            • Juicer77

              (Grimace)

    • Jimmy3

      “hey guys just please try to behave”

      *immediately outs a gay love affair*

    • daisy

      It is unfortunate that the only person who cares about JT*s sexuality is JT.

    • Liberated

      My My ….

    • Tony Ortega

      No, not the guy on the left. In that shot Paul Barresi is the guy on the right. I knew him personally.

      Barresi was a fascinating guy. He was a straight guy who acted in and directed gay male porn for pay. He was also a “bag man,” who did dirty work for private eyes in Ray Donovan sort of situations with celebrities. At one point in the late 1980s, I think, he sold his story to the National Enquirer, saying that he had been Travolta’s lover for years. But later he recanted that (probably getting another payday from the other side) and the Enquirer had to make every copy of that particular issue disappear. It’s extremely hard to find a copy now.

      We wrote about all this at my paper in Los Angeles. Barresi helped me with one of my all time best scoops — about Michael Jackson’s gay male porn director buddy who was his supplier — but I never really could get out of him if the Travolta story was on the level or not.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I’ve been trying to find a copy of Ebner’s story Bag man but it seems as though Hollywood, Interrupted is no longer a working site. Sure would love to read it if someone else knows where to find it.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Looking at that randomly designed poster, I feel somewhat certain that Hubbard believed he was creating something hip and trendy that would appeal to young people:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4f4b524962ad06b2b242c44a7957e319e2a414a7aa6028634a69b533c4177eb3.jpg

    I believe he thought it looked something like this (but, you know, superior):
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c99ca07c0023defb9f3156ca9a3b1d44235431b5c619cc0adfb48952ecb48dad.jpg

    Good thing that in the 50 years that have passed Scientologists have given up on the foolish notion of trying to make their lame and dated religion seem hip and trendy:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/96dae886df20043b45684863a06f60b844c2b4825aa0a95239318123bca3591b.jpg

    • WhiteCentauress

      They’re still saying that.

    • Noesis

      That’s exactly how I interpreted it too.

      With the manual layout tools that were available in the mid-sixties, it’s a reasonable piece of work by an unskilled artist.

  • disclaimer: i like Joe Rogan

    i caught the last hour and have to say, honestly, what i saw/heard of his interview w/ Ron sucked

    • Tony Ortega

      What about it sucked, in your estimation? I’ve seen enough Rogan podcasts to sense that he was struggling with this one.

      • i tuned in around the tail-end of Ron talking about public Scientologists and Sea Org, then his collection of 18th/19th century books. didn’t catch the references to how/why any of that was brought up, but imo, Joe seemed stoned and lackadaisical in this interview. i know he plays the “Devil’s advocate” sometimes just to ruffle feathers but i thought he knew more about Scn than what we heard. at one point he said, “before I knew anything about Scientology …” and i started to question what it is he does know. can’t quite put my finger on why i feel the way i do about this but today is “one of those days” for me.

        eti: Edge Of Tomorrow … i know he was trying to wrap it up by then, but he couldn’t find a way to tie that in w/ their belief in past/future lives? and re: whales, “that’s a gambling term” … that’s it, Joe? cant find any way to talk about this and make it interesting? gah, MOVE.

        • April

          Joe seemed to have difficulty understanding the difference between the sea org and public scientologists. That’s pretty basic information, isn’t it? Or have I been down this rabbit hole for far too long?

          • right? i’ve heard Joe talk about Scn in his stand-up, and considering his previous guests/friends and “Hollywood”, he really should know at least that by now.

            i know what you mean and can relate 100% about being down this rabbit hole for too long, though. there is info that i take for granted and have to slow my roll when this subject comes up in conversation w/ people that might not have the same level of … uh … interest.

            • sometime you have to ask trivial questions for the sake of the listeners, that don’t get all Ron’s Scio speak. Ron is still not out of that loop!

            • i get it. Joe’s a smart guy. i really just think he could’ve found a way to make this interview more meaningful, yet still informative to noobz, but imo (solely based on the part i heard) he came off as an apologist w/ a boner for Tom Cruise.

            • I didn’t hear the last part he he.. but i think Rogan is a pretty good judge of character so he was playing along according to that. I don’t dig Ron’s “You know” attitude either! But i like him etc..

            • thanks for your perspective. maybe Joe thinks Ron is full of shit, doesn’t really care, or couldn’t be bothered with anything more than trying to get the production crew to crack up at his jokes.

            • mandymarie20

              Mannerisms can put people off even if what they are saying is true. Perhaps Ron’s Philly demeanor played a part in it.

            • absolutely. unfortunately, it was Joe’s mannerisms that put me off this one. i’m probably just being overly moody today. i’ll try to watch from the beginning later to see if i’m totally off base.

            • You got it 🙂 that’s my impression anyway

        • mandymarie20

          The 18th/19th Century books – Ron was trying to say Hubbard stole the ideas and some passages verbatim from these books for use in Scientology and if you read these books, you will see that for yourself. A round about way to say, If you need to see actual proof that LRH stole his ideas, here’s the books you can look at to see he was a plagiarist.

          Joe and “before I knew anything about Scientology …” – Joe has said in previous podcast episodes that he was intrigued by the ideas in Dianetics and the ability to open up the mind aka he was open to it before being exposed to the abuses. The source material seemed promising.

          ‘Edge of Tomorrow’ – When I heard about the reincarnation – thetans – seems like a connection. While it does not seem to be written based on Scientology material, one of the writers, Christopher McQuarrie, has written many films Tom Cruise has starred in lately including Mission Impossible 5 and the upcoming 6th one, as well as the Jack Reacher movies, and the upcoming remake of The Mummy. It would not surprise me if Scientology ideas seeped into the script.

          • thank you. i thought it was weird that Joe glossed over those books and basically said (paraphrasing) maybe LRH just wanted to put everything useful in one place (while ignoring the extra/damaging stuff he made up and added? derp) … then, iirc, they were onto some other random topic without any further explanation. there were times when i swear Ron was thinking, “wtf are you talking about?”

            i was intrigued by Dianetics, too … until i realized, much like most of LRH’s billion-word-salads, for me, it’s unreadable.

          • With reference to those 19th Century books – Ron is strangely still committed to some of the ideas that were expressed by the ‘higher thought’ movement, as shown by a recommendation for further reading in his book for a pamphlet which lays out the basis of ‘postulation’ which can be read here https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/it-works-by-rhj-wishful-thinking-in-fringe-ideas-and-its-influence-on-scientology/

            This idea occurs in very many fringe groups. Sometimes Hubbard didn’t so much directly plagiarise (although he did that a lot) as pick up on ideas that were already floating about in the cultic milieu just like any other would-be guru.

      • machiabelly

        Joe seemed somewhat disengaged and/or bored, but I also think Ron has a habit of rambling and repeating rote anecdotes that he’s relayed many times before. Ron needs a somewhat firm hand in interviews to keep him on track and Joe didn’t provide that.

    • mandymarie20

      I like Joe’s show too, but the interview did seem like it was a struggle, almost one sided. Sometimes that happens on Joe’s podcast. There are instances where Joe just doesn’t seem interested, which is the impression I got. Ron seemed to be trying to explain things and Joe didn’t seem to understand or was more interested in the benefits. Maybe Ron didn’t explain things perfectly, but did a pretty good job for being in a difficult position. Perhaps Joe has done so many Scientology podcasts that he wasn’t interested anymore or didn’t feel there was more info or felt Ron was trying to sell his book or Joe had smoked too much. I don’t know, but I felt like Ron was talking Scientology and Joe was talking about who knows what?

      • agreed. kind of a shame and quite a letdown after Leah’s appearance. there were times when i was thinking, “dude. the guy’s 80 and spent most of his adult life deep inside Scientology. he doesn’t understand what you’re saying.”

        • mandymarie20

          Exactly! He spent basically 40 years away from the rest of society, he’s 80, and his son is an abusive ‘religious’ leader whom I imagine he feels partly responsible for. I could hear the desperation in his voice. He feels time winding down and desperately wants to see his family and even stated he feels like the chance of that happening is running out quickly. Frankly, for all he has been through and for being 80, he did remarkably well. Joe should have kept that in mind when conversationally sparring with him. Ron isn’t a 30 year old debating champion.

  • Username

    Carrie Fisher’s quote is a classic when a magazine outed John as gay:

    When asked if the actor’s legal team should take action, Fisher, 54, told the U.S.-based national gay and
    lesbian newsmagazine The Advocate: “Wow! I mean, my feeling about John has always been that we know and we don’t care.”

    “Look, I’m sorry that he’s uncomfortable with it, and that’s all I can say,” Fisher added. “It only draws more attention to it when you make that kind of legal fuss. Just leave it be.”

    • Liberated

      My opinion of him would change if he did come out and I think a lot of other’s would too.
      CO$ claims to be the “road to truth ” ….well, tell the truth John.
      What a burden to carry around.

      • Username

        Well said.

  • nottrue

    That Quick..Like Tony says Don’t view them … . https://twitter.com/MiscavigeRon/status/854435870065082368

    • Tony Ortega

      One of them has 56 views. The other has 26 views.

      Ron complaining about it probably doubled that. Know when to ignore.

      • Jimmy3

        Yeah, and I’m sorry but at least a couple dozen of those are from me. I used to watch Fox News just to see Megyn Kelley. I know it’s sad.

        • flyonthewall

          at least you would only watch it for 3min at a time

          • Jimmy3

            No, I’d cry for a while too. It’s a Catholic thing.

        • Sine qua non

          Horribly sad! Megyn Kelley? Blech. Yuck.

      • One thing that came out during the Ardent Atheists webcast with Ron last night was that it was the people at Mythicist Milwaukee who set up Ron with his new website, Twitter account, official Facebook page, and on social media generally. It is possible one of the MM people are in control of his tweets and responses right now.

        http://ardentatheist.com/episode-202/

        The webcast was 90 minutes long. Only the first hour is up on the web for free.

        • Yeah! i was wondering how he was able to put together that tweet or even find out about the BS vids

  • Username

    If you knew a guy like Hubturd today, you would probably say to yourself this guy is the right mix of intelligence, motivation, energy, greed, and CRAZY, to do some real damage. Spidey senses on overload.

    • Rasha

      Indeed. Unfortunately, of the millions exposed to people like him, there is always a percentage with whom they “resonate”, that provide them with financial backing and will stand up for them. When a conman is truly confident with his line, it can be so convincing. It’s a key mechanism of the con.

      Lacking empathy with other humans enables the confidence of the lie.

      • flyonthewall

        ….sshhhbappp?

        • Rasha

          Shhhhhbap.

      • Liberated

        Yes, the sociopath can be so very charming.

      • Username

        Had to step away. You and Jimmy3 are killing it with the alt universe(s) of Hurturd. You are 100% on about the confidence scam and lack of empathy. I think if he was born today he would find a way to be relevant. He’s such a vile mix of social ills that many today would find irresistible. People read dianetics today and get drawn in even with the benefit of forewarnings of others. But I really hope it would go down like Jimmy3 said….f’n teen drama flunky.

        • Exe’s I have spoken to maintain that hardly anyone actually reads “Dianetics”.

          What really happens is that people get drawn in to the social situation that surrounds the selling of it, and persuaded to take their first ‘course’ by those who promote the book… but many of them haven’t actually read it either.

          The book is almost a prop used during the pitch, which is designed to draw people in. They only charge for it because then, they have made some money out of ‘the ones that get away’.

    • Jimmy3

      No. I’d probably say to myself, “Isn’t that that crazy homeless guy from all the fucking memes? Why’s his head shaved now? Did he have to sell his hair? Even the bland robots at CNN were making fun of this loon. He obviously didn’t get any of that YouTube ad money. And the video of him wrestling a goose for a saltine got like 400 million hits. No one ever stopped linking that. Dammit. I don’t want to get too close to him, because I can already guess what he smells like. But I definitely should offer fo buy him a sandwich or something. … Nah. Fuck it.”

      • Rasha

        …you’ve thought this through.

        • Jimmy3

          I have thought about how he’d be received if he’d started 50 years later. My pet theory is he would have tried to play Dianetics off as a genius-level masterpiece of parody. But only after it was widely mocked, destroyed on the Internet, bankrupted him, etc. But then a few years later it grows some level of “we-like-it-cuz-its-bad” cult status. In this alternate universe, he’s created a different kind of cult, you see. A good bad cult.

          So that’s when he pulls the classic Tommy Wiseau, “I worked my ass off on this thing and put everything I had into it, but now everyone loves it because it’s so fucking horrible? Bullshit! That was my intention all along! I am an artist!”

          No. You’re still a fucking liar even in an alternate universe.

          • Rasha

            You have thought this through. ^_^

            Yeah, it would have been much different, all those years later. I think he would have gone the televangelist route, and would have to have had to built a huge arena, but it would have been tough for his ego, due to the competition. On the upside, we’d have more video to watch after the collapse.

            • Jimmy3

              Also, he would still be broke. Because the so bad it’s good cult status thing doesn’t work with books. It’s hard to imagine becoming a millionaire when you’re just spending every day, all day butt-ass naked writing fan fiction about some angsty teenage vampires or whatever, imagining all the freaky shit you’d do with them, and th

              Holy shit he would still be rich

            • Rasha

              o.O

              I……….

            • Jimmy3

              Not a 50 Shades fan? Good for you. Although I do like those actors.

            • Rasha

              Never seen it. But I do have French bread pizza cooking, and Perfume vids going, so I’m good. *reloads “Flash”*

            • Rasha

              (the whole vid is awesome, but A-Chan at 2:16 and 2:50 always is amazing)

            • Jimmy3

              Me neither. But I know 50 Shades of Grey was actually horribly-written S&M porn/fan fiction based on the Twilight series. It’s a modern case of a horrible writer falling ass-backwards into a pile of money with drivel that just so happened to appeal to lonely people. And it became this unexpected cult craze. This must have book. She might as well be the reincarnation of Hubbard. So I wasn’t just being randomly creepy this time. I was being creepy in a relevant reference. But next time I’ll go back to random creepy if you want.

            • Rasha

              *sits on curb*

              *hands over French bread pizza*

              This is so good. I thawed it before I toasted it. Ya gotta. Don’t want that cold bit in the middle. Cheese, pepperoni and tomato sauce, so if you have allergies to those, then… I dunno. Get a bagel, maybe? Anyhoo. So, who’s yer fav Perfume member? Hey! Don’t bogart that FBP!!!

            • Jimmy3

              Thanks. I usually just zap em for a minute because I’m impatient. Then bake. But these things actually kept me alive in my youth.

              My favorite perfume is Cinnamon Toast Crunch. I dunno where it’s from, or who makes it, but once I met this very cute girl who had a very subtle CTC smell. And I now think maybe she had actually just eaten some and thats ok too.

            • Rasha

              …it’s the little things…

            • I worked for a while as a volunteer sorting books in a central warehouse for donations to a large local chain of UK charity shops (US: thrift stores?).

              The ’50 Shades’ series had it’s own bin, because so many copies came to us, many of them obviously unread, spine uncreased, and some still with that ‘new book’ smell. It was one of the most unread books ever sold in quantity.

              Over here, it was termed ‘mummy porn’ – and many of the mummy’s were evidently disappointed.

              PS: We also had instructions to stack all books by L Ron Hubbard into huge boxes, periodically picked up by a company that pulped them, because they simply didn’t sell. They fetched £8 a tonne. The book of Mormon and Reader’s Digest went in there too.

              PPS: I suppose that settles the question of how much ex-Scientologist’s garage loads of unwanted books are worth – approx £8 a tonne, depending on the market.

          • Harpoona Frittata

            “You’re still a fucking liar in all possible alt universes”…there, fixed it for ya!

  • Orglodyte

    Sometimes my aging eyes deliver a bonus laugh. In the Freewinds post, instead of “Lots of tools, excitement and exhilaration” I read “Lots of fools, excrement and exhilaration.”

    • grundoon

      Scientology promo is always full of typos.

    • Robert Eckert

      “Lots of tools” works too

    • Pezza

      Awesome!

  • mandymarie20

    The official link to Ron’s Joe Rogan appearance is up

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVVdCikBDQk

    • outraged

      Woah!

    • madame duran

      Why don’t people just stick with the early part of the “tech” that is useful (e.g. gaining confidence) and discard the rest (i.e. the crazy upper levels)? Why don’t Independent Scientologists just do that?

      I think because a committed, curious person isn’t just satisfied with just a part of Scientology. They want the whole enchilada. Scientology was purposely set-up to be swallowed whole; it isn’t truly complete unless you “go up the Bridge”. The cherry-picking approach that some do–Indies included–is NOT what Hubbard intended. Those individuals were regarded as “dilettantes”…half-hearted specators…not fully “in”.

      Ron’s suggestion of “if only” Scientology were to stick to the early courses, then Scientology would gain popularity. Practically speaking, that would make sense…but that wouldn’t be fully Scientology, now would it? Scientology without Fair Game, without disconnection, without sec-checks is like Scientology without Hubbard. The call to reform that some ex-members advocate for is pointless. I think it’s better to LEAVE Scientology altogether and search for ways to improve personal skills that doesn’t involve being ensnared by a destructive cult.

      • That whole argument is predicated on the notion that the early courses are useful. If I wanted to gain confidence, I would do amateur dramatics, or take a social skills course – not participate in staring contest that causes dissociation and, in many participants, ‘strange face hallucinations’ https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/08/27/the-compelling-effects-of-simply-staring-understanding-the-scientology-mindset-part-13/

        Increased confidence may be a side effect of TRs. It might happen for some, but the #training’ that beings this about is embedded in a system that principally indoctrinates unthinking obedience in preparation for entry into a very controlling social situation.

        It’s like the proposition the Mussolini’s rule was not so bad because he made the trains run on time (which wasn’t true, by the way). Even if it was true there were better ways of achieving that objective that didn’t have the oppressive baggage.

        While we’re on the subject, I also suspect that the ‘improvements’ which some celebrate are not all they are cracked up to be – remember that people experienced the ‘personality test’ before the early courses. The personality test’ is designed to make them feel utterly worthless and the ‘love bombing’ that comes after completion of a course is designed to make them feel good.

        The notion that they actually gained confidence might be subjective and false – only an objective before and after test would be able to tell – and I think new Scientologists might be found to think that they were more confident, but come over as pushy and creepy (on account of the ‘thousand yard stare’ that comes, all unknown, with the TRs).

  • outraged

    OT: Reading between the lines, this pretty much outs Cruise.
    Following the thread, outs Katie and Jamie.
    http://blindgossip.com/?p=84596

    best line:
    It’d be crazy to see him with someone who might actually be shorter than him.

    • Tony Ortega

      Except that Cruise isn’t gay, so that swipe at him is pretty stupid.

      • outraged

        How do you know he is not gay?
        (don’t ask me how I know he IS, or rather bi. Sworn to secrecy)

        • Liberated

          The rumor about why he can’t father children is because he had a bad case of mumps as a child and it screws up sperm count.
          But then again, he and Mimi didn’t have kids nor he and Nicole, so who knows maybe he is.
          Who cares ?

          • outraged

            What does fathering children have to do with being gay?

            He abandoned Suri, we all know that. Pretty poor dad in my opinion. There are aholes in every color, size, ethnicity, religion and gender. No matter what your sexual preference may be.

            • Liberated

              It has nothing to do with it, the above discussion was about paternity.

            • outraged

              lol. I’m so confused. hahaha. sorry.
              I could claim senior dimension, as Siri calls it on my cell.

            • Liberated

              No biggie…I suffer from that myself from time to time.
              Wait a minute..where am I, who are you ?

            • outraged

              Have you ever looked for your cell while talking on it??
              That really blew my mind.

              Really frustrating when I pour Palmolive on my eggs.

            • Liberated

              No, but I’ve searched for my glasses and they’re sitting on my face.

            • outraged

              Your face and not your forehead? ooh, that is bad. lol

          • Todd Tomorrow

            $cientology cares that is the point. You know that strange little tone scale that looks like germs floating around on a board.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              According to the emeter, LRon had been to other galaxies, right? So, who’s to say that during an audit/sec check a needle swing doesn’t “reveal” that a clam is gay when they actually aren’t. Would the clam protest or believe that the infallible emeter has revealed something about them that they didn’t even realiize and just go with it and then try to get rid of their “suppressed homosexuality”. What’s the difference between using LRH’s tech to rid yourself of imaginary body thetans or imaginary homosexuality?

  • nottrue
    • Rasha

      …well put.

    • WhiteCentauress

      😥 sad but she’s better off. Isn’t she a beauty?

    • flyonthewall

      maybe bc he knows he’s not her real dad

      • Uhhh! now there is a story

        • Liberated

          I think Cruise is her dad….she looks like him too much not to be.

          • They all look alike! I want my story…

            • Liberated

              You go mister !

      • gtsix

        Just no. Please.

        • flyonthewall

          Oh please. I’m not a paparazzi following her to school or taking pics of her at the grocery store. I can talk about shit on the internet

          • EmmaDaoust

            No. No you can’t.

            • flyonthewall

              LOL

          • gtsix

            You can do whatever you want. I asked you, in this instance, not to do so.

          • Noesis

            Beware.

            Jeb may be lurking.

            • flyonthewall

              i ain’t scared!

      • daisy

        I do not believe that . She looks like a blend of the two. That said it is scary how much she looks like Tommy D. ( that is an unfortunate coincidence .)

        • flyonthewall

          *nods*

        • Liberated

          She’s a beautiful girl, I’m so glad her mother got her out of that crazy so she can lead a normal life.
          If her dad chooses not to be a part of it, well….it’s his loss.

          • daisy

            ITA

    • Harpoona Frittata

      …and what kind of a religion would demand that you make such a choice? No kind of a religion worthy of its tax-exempt status, that’s for sure!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      What an angle and he’s what ? Afraid she has dead aliens that have rendered her an SP? What a pussy.

  • NewSciWatcher

    Freedom media & ethics youtube channel has a paid ad promoting smear campaign on the Joe Rogan episode with Ron Miscavige on youtube (). The ad even came thru my ad blocker, probably paid extra for that too.

    This was finished live 3 hours ago and they planted the ad right after it was posted. It`s so creepy. They were watching this thing and waiting for it to end, then went refresh crazy on Joe Rogan`s channel until the interview was actually posted as a video, then they ran to the email or phone to pay that ad specifically placed in the Ron Miscavige interview.

    • Jimmy3

      All of this was packaged months ago. They put out a lot of it last year, and they had different takes and edits ready to go for more. They had the newest ad up immediately after Ron announced he’d be on the show. About 24 hours before they actually did the show. They didn’t have to rush or scramble. But it is still very creepy, yes.

      • NewSciWatcher

        Yeah, it`s stock material, but I`m thinking about the ad on the final video posted, like youtube ads, on video, just before the interview began. I think that requires them to specifically demand from youtube to place that ad there after the video is posted.

        Are you saying the the ad was there during the live stream interview?

        • Jimmy3

          It’s actually tailored toward your browsing history and recent activity. It doesn’t account for your feelings on the subject, it lumps them together by subject, keywords, etc. And they’re both related to Scientology.

          • NewSciWatcher

            You can pay extra for youtube to target your ad. But you have to specify. Joe Rogan`s already targeted by MMA products, supplements, isolation chambers… and now Scientology smear campaign by rebound.

            “Content targeting methods let you define where you want your ads to show. These include:

            Placements: Target unique channels, videos, apps, websites, or placements within websites. For example, you can target an entire high traffic blog or just the homepage of a popular news site. Placements can include:
            YouTube channels
            YouTube videos
            Websites on the Display Network
            Apps on the Display Network“

            • Jimmy3

              Could be right. Trying to test it now and haven’t gotten an ad on that video yet. With a few different devices.

  • nottrue
    • NewSciWatcher

      She`s from the russian team of bots that scientology hired from the Trump team.

    • Jimmy3

      I wonder if that logic works in any other morally reprehensible scenarios?

      “You robbed that liquor store!”

      “No. The guy handed me his money. Was I not supposed to leave with it? Nothing unusual there.”

      • AntoniaW

        Spot on.

    • hmm 2 version of the same tweet… interesting

    • AntoniaW

      Well it’s unlikely that any adverts are being bought through the Wood/Harris PR empire, which seems non-viable & non-active without the $cilons: https://companycheck.co.uk/director/915657606/MR-JOHN-ALEXANDER-WOOD/summary

  • ReallyMGM

    This the first photo of the Freewinds I have seen taken from a perspective that shows how dinky and tiny it really is. It is the SS Minnow of cruise ships.

    (I am certain there are others, I just haven’t seen them.)

    • PerpetualOutflow

      I thought the same thing.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1741b6858e7a7e9e33def82bb0bc8a0d3beb45fbeb0f7c43294b41da2e6b16be.jpg

    Scientology Cat & I are reunited, and it feels so good!!! oh no, flipped???

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Rasha, help!!! Unflip!! Flip Kitteh!!

      • Qbird
        • Taffy Sinclair

          Thats da fukk I”M takking ’bout!!! Mah tittehs & mah kitteh!!! + my $$$, what!
          Thanks Q-B!!!

        • Rasha

          Beat me to it!!! KITTEH!!!

          • Taffy Sinclair

            sorry re: boobehs. My gift from Ellehretch.

            • Rasha

              Kitteh… Benjehmins… boobehs…. it’s after 9 in the bunker…..

              *TACKLE HUG DAT KITTEH!!!*

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I just got back from las vegas where things are,,, funner… lolz!!! Boobz! Moneh!! Criss Angel!! What!what!

            • Rasha

              Just have da fun. *clink*

            • Taffy Sinclair

              *clink* 2 you, too, Rasha! But no beer’n’cheeze party @ INT. That shit be lamer than LRH after his fake-stint in a war (of yr choice)

            • Rasha

              …you ain’t sorreh….

            • Taffy Sinclair

              true dat

              nor wood I eva bee

        • Mick Roberts

          “ta da”? Don’t you mean “ta ta”?

    • What’sup
      • Jimmy3

        Man I clicked on this first and thought i had the wrong tab again.

        • Taffy Sinclair

          sorry 4 da boobehs. i cannot help it///

          • What’sup

            I don’t think you see us complaining!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Thnkz, What’sup!! I wear ’em loud n’ proud!!

          • Jimmy3

            I don’t even… I’m stumped here.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              It’s ALL TAFFY!!!

            • daisy

              I do not know what all the fuss is. I got the same pair , just at my ankles.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Pah-shaw!!! U got em higher than ya think, Daise-Dasie!!

            • daisy

              Not without a pulley system and a crowbar.

            • What’sup

              I love you, Daisy

            • daisy

              xoxox

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Only an espee would not love Daise-Daise…

            • Rasha

              Such a sillyhead! You’re SCRUMMEH!!!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              You got tittez any MF RPF’R would DIE for, you bitch!!!

            • Mick Roberts

              I used to have the same pair too, until I lost about 30 lbs. Something tells me it didn’t look as sexy on me when I’d show ’em off at the pool though…..

            • Jimmy3

              Urban dictionary is a bunch of stumpy liars

            • Taffy Sinclair

              You no likey da tittehs?? Jimmeh??

            • Jimmy3

              Of course. That was a joke that meant something else where I’m from. And in a positive way, please know. I think a lot of the time what I say here only makes sense in my head.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I hear that!!! Thanx 4 the luv!!

  • JJ

    How in the name of Lord Penis-swizzle does Scientology not fall under tyranny over the mind of man?

  • flyonthewall
    • Todd Tomorrow

      My first R-rated movie I ever saw as a very young kid. Boy was I confused the first 15 mins. God bless baby sitters who take you to the drive in.

      • April

        I saw it when I was a little kid too. And it terrified me.

      • Liberated

        This is a little o/t….but anyway….Mike Pence calls his wife ” mommy ”

        There’s an article on raw story today with John Waters.

  • mockingbird

    Ranker came up with a list of twelve horrible things Ron Hubbard did. Some Bunkeroos could list twelve hundred.

  • flyonthewall

    Local video store. Clever. I will make sure to watch out for this movie on Netflix

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8cc90284a6bdb045fb2dd7e0a8574182c431e7c0720a57c513522087e8513d73.png

    • Rasha

      Growing up, we got treated once in a while to a local pizza place that made (and makes) a greasy, very thin-crust “pizza” that I could easily outdo, but it has a lot of memories….. for one of my personalities, any-no it doesn’t just up get off the keyboardleaveme alon STOP IT Iyoure dumbsHUTUP……

      but good pizza, yeh?

      Yeah, little greasy, though….

      But good, right?

      …yeah.

      • Liberated

        Marco’s is pretty good pizza…Tavis Smiley is co-owner.
        I like him, his show is on at 11:30 on pbs …I would love to see Tony be a guest.

      • ReallyMGM

        Sounds like the place in my hometown. Still there, but not in the original location. Something about the sauce/crust/grease ratio that makes it good.

        • Rasha

          Glad someone else knows…… ^_^

  • Observer
    • Liberated

      Jimmy’s been saying stuff about you.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        And about my boobs…..

        • Liberated

          Let’s get him in trouble.

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Let’s!!! in 3-2-1……

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Observer, I wanna see a shoop w/ mah tittas!!!

            • Observer

              I only shoop against Scientology. 🙂 You weren’t posting here when I said this the first time, but I can’t take requests from Bunkeroos because even the simple shoops take at least an hour, and I just don’t have the time–I work full-time and have a real life outside the Bunker. Shooping everything people want me to would be a full-time job in itself. I’m happy you like my work though!

          • Rasha

            …he’s out of trouble?

      • Observer

        I’m used to it. *martyred sigh*

    • Jimmy3

      Hah! I cant beleaf she didnt see that.

    • What’sup

      Mud mask next?

    • Taffy Sinclair

      I’ve been shooped!!!!

    • WhiteCentauress

      😂💦

    • Okay, so if any of us have something way out of place at HC (underwear showing, spinach on our teeth, etc.) I think the phrase to let each other know will have to be a discreet “piece of poo at one o’clock.”

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    That reminds me, I wonder how many of those 7 new Tampa missions have opened…
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1d9914f5d771d58a49b6cf2a302280520ccde86697006c905961bab300348cb4.png

    • chukicita

      0 in Q1.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    HowdyCon go’er’s:

    I wanna go. Give me reasons and answers I can give to my S.O. so that I (or we) may go. I love all of you’s, & wanna meet as many of you’s as I can.

    BUT!!! I need some help. Is there cool shit to do in Denver? Can ANYONE smoke weed? Food good? Shows good?? etc??? Pleasse help!!!!! I wanna go so!!!!!

    • Rasha

      Potential. Trouble. Sauce.

      …’nuff said.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Yum!! Good for french fries!!

    • daisy

      S.O. ??

      • Missionary Kid

        Significant Other.

    • Liberated

      I think everyone wants to meets you and your “girls.”

      • Taffy Sinclair

        That’s the plan, Stan! I mean, Liberated!!

    • Missionary Kid

      Yes, we do talk about $cientology, but there’s a lot of interesting people who have done a lot of different things. If they don’t want to talk about Co$, there’s a lot of other things that we all share. People went to art museums and the R n R Hall of Fame, and even toured a submarine in Cleveland. Denver has a lot to offer in terms of culture and the great outdoors.

      • Jimmy3

        Yeah museums and shit. Art. Culture. Puppies.

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Kittehs?

      • Sine qua non

        I think there should be workshops, roundtable discussions and topical forums. Also, games like “Scientology Bingo” “OT Trivia” and “Spin the Emeter”. I’m really considering coming, but I’m a real square and don’t drink mass quantities or smoke anything, let alone pot (no judgement, I just have a hard enough time with life without being self-medicated!). Anyway, I’m a little afraid that it will be a big party and I’ll just sit there drinking tea feeling insecure unless I can attend a roundtable discussion. Do you think that would be the case? I know this sounds silly. I’m just a bit shy.

        • Jimmy3

          You would be fine, trust me. The way it worked out last year is the people who wanted to go there to get fucked up and party were more vocal about it, so it seemed on this blog as though that would be the overwhelming majority. But there were many, many others who just wanted to meet people, enjoy a few meals and experience a city they’ve never been to. They still had a great time.

          There were people who didn’t drink at all, people who just had a glass or two, people who got drunk, flyonthewall was on I dunno what kinda Lego glue. And some people were so far gone, they let a magical hobo steal their flip flops. It was all over the place.

          You really can go and have a good time without drinking or smoking, and no one is going to pressure you into anything. And if all you want to do is discuss Scientology, that’s cool too, and there will be people who can talk until your ears bleed. And I think a trivia night would be crazy fun. Sorry it took me so long to type this I kinda passed out in the middle there. Hobo fairy

          • iampissed

            Dam you are good.
            ETA…And he is right.

            • Jimmy3

              (Do you think they bought it? Cuz I already bought the roofies)

            • iampissed

              Jinx to someone.

            • daisy

              Could you send me some so I can feel like I am there. Oh nevermind I prefer meth and Jethro will be in town that week.

            • Sine qua non

              Guys, now really…only take substances approved by your legitimate health care provider. Unless it’s caffeine or sugar-then take all you wish, medical advice be damned!

            • daisy

              I am an R.N. and I say it is fine !!

            • Jimmy3

              Edit: Dr. Snip!

          • Sine qua non

            Hey, it took me longer to find it than it did for you to type it! Like I said, with booze and pot, I’d be totally non-functional. I need an espresso to get to sleep. Thanks for your comforting and non-judgemental words. 🙂 Yes, I am a square. I need a roundtable discussion or I get very anxious!

            • daisy

              What is it round or square , your sending mixed messages buddy .?

            • Sine qua non

              Oooh, deep. I’m so confused. Truth be told, I’m not that square, but alcohol basically puts me to sleep and I’d rather not sleep during a party so I don’t drink. Also, I’m from the Midwest, and an only child, and you know how hyper-responsible only children always are, so I always try to be purposeful. But I know that gets rather tiresome for me and others, and I have a wacky sense of humor and rather liberal world views. Maybe I’m really a hexagon. Ugh. This sounds really self absorbed. Never mind.

            • My partner, Butch Pansy, is clean and sober. Well, sort of dirty and sober truth be told. But sober. That’s the thing.

            • Sine qua non

              Well, if you can be fun and dirty without drinking, I say why not save your booze calories for chocolate, etc. 😁

        • Missionary Kid

          We didn’t have many real formal roundtable discussions, but they sprung organically all the time when we hung out. We had the use of different conference rooms, but when we ate together or did things together, it was a chance for much more personal and direct contact. There were exes who could answer questions or contribute experiences about their time in $cientology.

          It was like being in the Bunker and not having to type, and getting immediate responses. We didn’t spend all of our time talking about $cientology. That would have been boring, but we did talk a lot about it.

          Believe me, it wasn’t “one big party”, but it was a lot of fun to meet people who I’ve been writing to here in the Bunker. As to smoking dope, I don’t know who will. I probably won’t, because I want to be engaged, and MJ doesn’t usually do that for me.

          It was like a family reunion where there were no real assholes who one is forced to interact with because they’re related to the asshole.

          I was sitting at a table at lunch with other Bunkaroos, and one person apologized to another, saying that they hoped that their comments hadn’t offended the other. The other person replied that they hadn’t been offended at all, and they understood where that person was coming from. That prompted other apologies and mea culpas. Finally, I spoke up and said, “You’ve read what I posted, and, if it offended you, fuck you.” Everyone cracked up. They knew I was kidding.

          I believe that for some of the exes, it was a chance to get support in person for their recovery. For others, it was nice to see all the other people who had experienced the same thing, but had recovered.

      • Botanical garden trip with Obs and Butch Pansy! Don’t miss it!

    • Jimmy3

      You probably won’t spend a dime on drinks. Thats a thing.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        That’s imperative

      • iampissed

        Tony is buying…..I’m in.
        ETA: but I’m a 58 yo dude without a cat and ya those.

      • Sine qua non

        My beverage of choice is chocolate milk mixed with cola and coffee. Will that be available? 🙂

      • Missionary Kid

        Jimmy’s buying!

    • iampissed

      Well let’s see…drinks covered, weed covered (no one ever doesn’t share) food you will have to
      pay for….Good Shows…..hahahahaha. Your in the middle of the bunker!

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Observer

      Oh, great. The one airline passenger who deserves a beat-down now won’t get one.

      • daisy

        lol giggle tee hee guffaw

        • WhiteCentauress

          Hey Daisy, it’s Centauress. I decided to keep doing shoops, just not interact because I can’t seem to say the right thing. I was hurt, but I did handle it poorly, so it’s partly my fault. I’m glad I couldn’t figure out how to delete my account. LOL I do love it here and you’re one of the ones I consider an awesome person and friend. Thanks for caring.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        He actually brags that there is no annoying stewardess to tell him to put on a seatbelt when they land! It’s obvious that his head has hit the ceiling far too many times.

        • Sine qua non

          What a douche. Maybe it will hit the ceiling one more time and knock some sense into him. Doubt it.

      • daisy

        I am not sure why but this guy I hate the most of all . Even more than the celebs.

    • What’sup
      • PerpetualOutflow

        Revolting in every imaginable respect.

      • Gus Cox

        And he’s not wearing socks. Total douchebaggery. I wish to hell that turd would just get sucked into that jet engine and spewed in little chunks out the exhaust.

    • Gus Cox

      For the love of God, what a fucking douchebag.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • Missionary Kid

    Today is Suri, TC’s daughter’ birthday. She turned 11.

    • Liberated

      There’s pic of her down thread…cute kid.

      • Missionary Kid

        Thanks. I’ve been away from the Bunker most of the day.

    • Rasha

      VERY BIRFDAY, SURI!!!!!! SUCH HUG!!!

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Sheh neh eh kitteh

    • Juicer77

      I’m sure she will do something fun with her friends and her mom. You know, like a normal kid. 🙂

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        … and try to ignore the gold plated Mk. VIII Super-duper Quantum Ultra ez-bake meter with special, solid gold Campbells soup cans that pop’s assistant sent!

    • Newiga

      Wow, she’s almost a teen. :O

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • WhiteCentauress

      Awwwww….💔

    • PerpetualOutflow

      That’s a real heartbreaker. And such a predictable effect of association with the toxic, garbage can cult of $cientology that masks its evil practices, teachings and intentions with the lure of godhood and riches. I hope her daughter comes to her senses before it’s too late.

    • Newiga

      This part is so heart-breaking, yet so telling: “However, you have changed so much, I don’t know if I could stand to have you in my presence. The kind, gentle soul has died and a callous and arrogant female was born.”

      My heart goes out to you anonymous Mother. < / 3 and as for you anonymous daughter, WAKE THE F UP! Your mun loves you.

      • Graham

        From kind and gentle to callous and arrogant. As soon as I read that I knew it was going to be about Scientology.

        • Newiga

          Scientology: Making the altruistic narcissistic since the 50s.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Well, maybe if you didn’t shit all over your friends just because they leave the church, you wouldn’t have to be your own best friend. SMH
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26bc198f730d6327a5b569ce67f068106090ee67c71ef15d1a3d3558382e19d0.png

  • Liberated

    Wall Street Journal has announced Bill O’Reilly is very close to getting the axe.
    James Murdoch says it’s time for him to go, Rupert not so much.
    We’ll see.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      wow, hiz time is up???

    • outraged

      **fingers crossed for the axe**

      Really depressing all of this racism and misogyny has been KNOWN for years. No one did a thing. Until now. Perhaps this is the “Bill Cosby effect”. More women have the courage to tell the truth because justice may possibly perhaps be served for once.

      • Liberated

        Another woman came forward today, she was an african american employee and BO would stand by her desk and grunt, when they were in the elevator he would make disgusting vulgar noises.
        He never once spoke to her as a regular person and she became so upset she left.

        Of course he’s blaming the liberal democratics. I hate him, he needs to go.

        • outraged

          I know. It’s disgusting. I re wrote my post 10 ten times because my anger is so much at the forefront I am not thinking clearly.

          The grunting is unspeakable. EVERYONE HEARD. EVERYONE.

          the whole place should be cleaned out with insect repellant.

        • daisy

          What was John O . about last night ?

          • Liberated

            Well, he went on about france’s election, “america and britian fucked up, don’t vote for Marie LePen.”
            He went off on Geraldo Rivera, and of course Trump.
            Google JO and you’ll see…there’s also videos.

    • machiabelly

      If so, I’m sure Trump would make room for his good friend in the West Wing. New Press Secretary?

  • Supper Powers

    TOT: After an unsuccessful break-in and then a successful one, I am grateful this community is here. It is super good to have some stability. I have this strange thing happen and am glad to read your J&D and kind words to each other. I can imagine that this community’s consistent kindness also is a balm for those who are UTR with the BS of leaving the cult. Nice work kind and funny people. Keep it up.

    • daisy

      Aww Sup I am sorry you have been having such a hard time. I find the bunker a balm on the bad days too,

      • Supper Powers

        Say something funny!!!

        • daisy

          Jimmy and I are dating and Nat is jealous . Fly is jealous of me too . He really thought he and Jimmy would end up with him . I am sorry I just cannot think of anything funny right now , this Nat thing is really bothering me .

          • Jimmy3

            Listen, baby, I don’t know what occasion or anniversary or Canadian holiday you think I forgot, but
            hold on. Stay right there I’ll be right back.

            • iampissed

              He will be here all week…no really.

            • EmmaDaoust

              You missed Beaver Sunday, the most important holiday in the Canadian calendar.

          • Supper Powers

            Nat is too hung up on the next academic entrance exam to pay attention. Don’t worry. Jimmy3 will ride the coasters to make himself feel better. And Fly has hot salami sammiches to keep him occupied. It’s all good.

          • TheMirrorThetan

            Back off Daisy. Jimmy is mine, and I will fight you for him.
            You dont want to see how vicious I can be in a fight. 🙂

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e3cd586459467eed436832467bda845e53bea75c1565d133b9d0af54413eb624.gif

            • daisy

              Our Jimmy is one popular guy /

            • TheMirrorThetan

              I tell you what. I want to be fair so we can share Jimmy.
              I will have him on the days of the week ending in Y and you can have him the rest of the week. Deal? 😀

            • daisy

              You didn*t count on me reading this the in the only 10 min . s a day I am sober . but hey I am reasonable ,just join us.

            • hmm… interesting

        • Liberated

          Bill O’Reilly is gonna get fired..that should help, made me feel better.

          • Supper Powers

            You illicited a healthy chuckle. Thank you.

            • Missionary Kid

              You aren’t the only one laughing. O’Reilly’s attorney claims that it’s all a plot by the extreme left. That ignores the fact that he’s been harassing women for a long time. This is from 2 1/2 years ago. Just google Loofah Bill O’Reilly. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/oreilly/bill-oreilly-falafel-lawsuit-turns-ten-897562

              He harassed a woman, making unwanted advances and phone calls. He tried to fair game her with all sorts of public bullshit. She never said that she’d recorded his obscene phone calls, because that would be illegal, but the detail and specificity of her charges that she filed makes me believe she did record him. After starting out with a lot of bluster, O’Reilly settled as quick as Tom Cruise did in his divorce from Katy. His accuser obviously had him by the balls.

              Because O’Reilly settled quickly, the story didn’t get much traction, just like he wanted it.

              As a part of the Fox old boy network, Roger Ailes paid up. Interestingly enough, the payment by Fox wasn’t included in their annual report, IIRC. Ailes apparently had a slush fund off the books that paid for not only O’Reilly’s, but his peccadilloes. I believe that the information on O’Reilly surfaced after Ailes was booted and they started to look at all of the crap he’d pulled.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              “O’Reilly’s attorney claims that it’s all a plot by the extreme left.”

              Yea Bill, we know, Obama made you do it 🙂

            • ReallyMGM

              My Monster In Law said the exact same thing as O’Reilly’s attorney.

              That makes my day.

    • iampissed

      We kid because we love.
      ETA..Where the hell did ya break into, get anything good?

    • OOkpik

      <3
      Eta: I found you a security puppeh.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/df8373d48f58788dc9c6d19e570f0ef6c408a248d609b1353d4ff84d3de2590e.jpg
      On second thought, maybe this one is overkill. The whole building appears to be listing dangerously under puppeh's weight. 🙂

      • Oh-My-Dice! look at that couch!

      • Supper Powers

        Ha! Buddy!!!!!

    • Juicer77

      (Hugs)

      • Ann B Watson

        I follow your lead & send Hugs too. 😘

  • EmmaDaoust

    OT about TP: China is going high tech to foil toilet paper thieves.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/20/beijing-park-uses-face-recognition-software-wipe-toilet-paper/.

    • Andrew Robertson

      This is not ‘tech’ that would be of any use in a Scientology Org

      Andrew

      • EmmaDaoust

        They could add a payment feature, of course.

  • Juicer77

    Meanwhile, in Clearwater…. the Co$ and its members are making incredibly stupid public statements just before tomorrow’s Council vote. Check the Tampa Bay Times for details. They are being good little Ronbots and doubling down on the nasty threats just when they should shut up. SMH

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Sounds like lil davey really, reeeaally wanted that parcel and he’s fit to be tied because he knows he’s not going to get it.

      • On the one hand, frustrating a dictator who is used to getting his own way (or at least thinking that he’s getting it) is always fun, and may well cause him to make bad mistakes.

        On the other hand, the people he controls are going to suffer for this, because failure can’t be his fault and he has to take his frustration out on someone.

        I know this is heresy around here, but I can’t help but be curious as to what would happen if Miscavige got his way, and the centre of Clearwater turned its back on the world. This situation might even accelerate the decline of Scientology.

        Either way, it’s going to be an interesting vote.

        • Juicer77

          I was wondering the same thing. No matter which way the vote goes, Missmanage will continue to slap the city and its people in the face.

          • He can’t help it – he does not know how to interact with wogs at all. All he understands is brute force – that’s why he made that utterly ridiculous cash offer for the site.

        • gtsix

          Why would curiosity be heresy?

          • I meant that nobody here will likely approve of that part of me (the part on my left shoulder, with the forked tail and the horns) that wants Scientology to get the land in order to see what happens next.

            For the record, I don’t approve of him either, and the better part of me emphatically does not want this to happen. Still… I’m really curious.

            • gtsix

              Oh we agree with the lovable shoulder friend, if not what he wants to see happen. 😉

              I am still in the “the cult will get that land, one way or another” camp. And the Aquarium could use 15million. But… the aquarium is fucking the cult that fucked them.. so that has been fascinating to behold.

            • Sine qua non

              I don’t find that part of you heretical. I don’t think very many people here are into heresy, excommunication/shunning/disconnecting and so forth anyway. I think most all of us are about free discussion, not judgement.

              Anyway, no matter what happens, it’s ALWAYS interesting to see what COS and COB’s reactions are. Isn’t that why we all spend so much time here? (Among other reasons.)

            • Maybe that word was badly chosen. I meant to suggest that many would (reasonably) object to the part of me that hopes Scientology will get the land so that I can see what happens next.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          I’m curious too. Lil davey very obviously has some sort of “circle the wagons” strategy in mind. The possibility of him getting shut down on this aspect of whatever larger plan that he’s trying to implement doesn’t mean that he won’t try to achieve it through other tactics. Indeed, with billions in reserves, he could be up to multiple plans simultaneously and ready to pour money into which ever one(s) seem most likely to succeed.

          Sunlight is indeed the best disinfectant and when it’s shone on the nefarious backroom scheming of pols and whatever corrupting influences that they’re involved with before that malign influence can bear fruit (like, influencing the CW city council’s vote on the parcel sale), it tends to keep things honest, which may be what happens on this vote.

          Lil davey appears to have overplayed his hand here and fucked things up with his micro-management and cluelessness about just how closely the cult’s activities are being scrutinized, especially in California and Florida. Mistakes have been made so others will be blamed, that’s for sure! One can only hope that the tiny tyrant’s impotent hissy fits will finally drive some of his cowed and craven minions to escape the cult and all the abuse that they’ve suffered at his hands.

          • Miscavige evidently can’t interact with civil government in an open way – whenever he has to deal with those outside of Scientology he always seem to have to have an angle. In this case, it’s a offer of $15 million for a $4-and-a-bit million site. Politics and PR are simply beyond him.

            My take is that, like it or not (I don’t) Scientology will dominate a section of Clearwater eventually. They have resources, a single objective, no democratic restraints and are willing to do whatever it takes. They don’t even care how bad this will make them look because, after they achieve their objective, they will be able to operate ‘behind closed doors’ in a US city.

            The question for me is whether Scientology will withdraw to this defensible space, and what the federal government will do when the stories of what goes on in there (‘introspections rundown’ deaths, suicide, the RPF, universal surveillance and unconscionable oppression) start to come out.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              My bet is that while lil davey will continue to make noises about how the cult’s expanding like never before, bitter-ender $cilons with money will continue to gravitate toward the black hole center of their space opera-themed cult’s operations.

              But who can really blame them, with the only set of super power-bestowing oiliness tables in the universe located at Flog, it’s no wonder that Krustie, JT, TC and the whales all desire to have at least one residence there, where an Eternity of slippery Oatee fun awaits those who can afford it.

            • I don’t think Miscavige is in control of what will happen next – that will be dictated by the logic of the situation.

              As the Orgs continue to decline (and we have recently seen that the ‘missions’ are now little more than a sign in a window) the best of the staff will be poached for the ‘homeland’, and rank and file Scientologists will be left with nowhere to practice.

              Those with sufficient money and commitment will migrate to Clearwater. Those without will be effectively abandoned to maintain an org that is bumping along the bottom and milked for whatever money can be taken from them.

              Eventually Scientology will be the organisation which dominates Clearwater and feeds a nationwide real estate scam involving empty buildings.

              The CofS has not been a network of practising Scientologists for some time – the practice of Scientology is rapidly declining as a source of income in favour of the .whales’. If this trend continues much further it will not exist at all outside of Clearwater.

    • ReallyMGM

      He’s mad. Really mad.

      And just like that Daveys panties got bunched up into a wad, and in a epic threat letter written by the scientologist developer, threw out the double “b” words, bigotry and bias. (Come on, you know Davey was screaming at someone, telling them what to write!) If anyone on that city council was still not certain if the CoS/DM conducted business in an ethically manner, they know now. Whether It freaks them out remains to be seen.

      Thx for the tip on the story.

    • madame duran

      Link: http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientologists-and-others-step-up-the-pressure-as-clearwater-nears-vote-on/2320632

      Cleman Agami (Scientologist and developer of Skyview condo, Tom Cruise’s future home):
      “If you don’t vote in the Church of Scientology’s favour, I’ll stop investing in Clearwater and Skyview will be my last project here!!”
      Non-Scientologist residents in Clearwater:
      “Wait…is that supposed to be a threat? OMIGOSH!!! ARE THE SCIENTOLOGISTS PROMISING TO LEAVE??? *breaks out in joyful, rapturous applause*

      ETA:
      That last, badass quote by Hoyt Hamilton is the kind of toughness the city council needs to show to the cult

      “If they’re not going to spend their money downtown, they’re only hurting their own parishioners,” Hamilton said. “If the church doesn’t want to invest in downtown, then put their property up for sale and let me bring in someone that wants to buy it who’s not a parishioner.”

      BOOYAH!!!!

      • Juicer77

        Hopefully the whole Council will back Hamilton’s views.

    • Graham

      Enjoy. His cavalier approach to discussing rape hasn’t stood the test of time. Always a challenge to read something like that from the 1970s and hold back on 21st century sensibilities. But an intriguing idea; to voluntarily introduce an element of chance into life’s big decisions.

      • yeah… i read some previews on it… and this “rape” thing might not work today.. he he Lot’s of stuff from the 70th would never work today, i guess our parents was experimenting a lot.

        • Graham

          I am of that generation. And yes, we were experimenting a lot 😉

  • Juicer77

    Welcome, newbie and lurkers and under the radars. Help yourself to drinks and snacks. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2713ec4cd043ef1969711847baf488acd776cbbeaba6d39df4a5ad42f25c7955.jpg

    • Newiga

      Look at those lovely people! <3

    • Tony Ortega

      I’m glad they’re excited about 120,000 “views” for the Rogan show, but I mean, they are aware that his appearance on 20/20 last year brought in more than 5.5 million viewers, right?

      • Newiga

        I wonder how many listeners Rogan normally gets per show. Anywhoo, to a Northern gal like me, 120.000 is quite a lot and 5.5. million is the entire population of my home country. However, I get your point. Hope they had some champagne to celebrate.

  • WhatAreYourCrimes

    This ham-fisted “oath” must have been a laugh-riot of transparent absurdity at the time.
    LRH has the sophistication of a teen poring over his superhero comic books with fantasies of grandeur.

    He is like a high school kid obsessed with the girl who rejected him for a date to the prom, who at age 35 has a restraining order filed against him for his unhealthy obsession.

    IN fact, he is, in the grand scheme of things, about as effective as Butters from South Park adopting the alter ego Captain Chaos… completely ridiculous and comically ineffective.