If anyone is interested, I posted three photos a few minutes ago on the “What is the Current Condition…” discussion. Enjoy!

Indeed!

Hi – just tried posting a few pictures of the desolate streets I saw near the Flag center. I may have posted too many because my comment and three photos were deleted. Hope I didn’t overstep any bounds. I’m sure you would have loved the pictures!

You nailed in the first sentence. Due to the dangerous junk science of this program, far too many staff , former staff & graduates of the program relapse; added to that is the subculture of easy access to drugs brought in by patients and staff… yes, staff, have greatly contributed to this.

Woah! Haha

No. I’m not trained enough to know if your dot connecting is correct on the money.

I think in more literary terms or philosophical terms, not in psychological theoretical frameworks.

I think of Hubbard like his own words boastfully say about him. His own writings have to be read to see what he thinks of himself, he’s mostly always this garrulous braggert posing like he’s the greatest philosopher/thinker in human history, and his violence is minor compared to what his ordes induced others to perpetrate, in ratio compared to him.

but I wasn’t privvy to his Guardian’s Office orders of violence or even worse, as has been told by people like Bill Franks who read old Guardian’s Office files which stated that “murders” actually were brought about against some Scientology “enemies.” That’d be a level of private Hubbard tacitly condoning murder, in fact the policy that backs up the darkest events like that, would be the “Simon Bolivar” policy.

It takes a much darker drudging up Hubbard’s really darkest days of his life, he wasn’t anywhere as daily violent as Miscavige was in the 2000s, if you compare that Miscavige era of violence 5 days a weeks, that whole lord of the flies climate under Miscavige in the 2000s is unprecedented in intensity.

I just think of all of Hubbard’s life, and I thought that his pre Scientology colleagues and his pre Scientology family, like those interviewed by Russell Miller, likely have the best idea of the deeper Hubbard character. Those people saw and lived with Hubbard as he developed.

How Hubbard then launched into the “cult boss/founder” roll first with Dianetics and then Scientology, and then the details of Hubbard’s “worst” Captain Bligh years in the early Sea Org, up to 1975 after which Hubbard just didn’t have that much bad stuff, but I forget the “Cine” and “Audio” years 1976-79 when LRH would holler a lot on the set of the early Hubbard Scientology movies, those were trying times for those on the scene directly under Hubbard at those moments.

I’d say the Lois Reisdorf and the other top messengers and Laurel Watson info of those years, and those that saw that period, I don’t have the links, but Kima Douglas’ writings to me really opened the door to that era 1977-1978ish, showing Hubbard as the closest to fitting your traumatic narcisist.

By the time Kima and Mike Douglas blew, I think Hubbard fit your above observations.

Was he always like that, no, it was a build up, on those characterisitcs which his pre Scientology family saw all along, and how a person like Hubbard matured into the character you lay out above, I think is a book, or could be gleaned from the books and writings of those who were with Hubbard in Hubbard’s final 10 years, to support that Hubbard did fit your above.

Of people who firsthand could corroborate your above, my pick would be Terri Gamboa.

Interview her, she will give you the final final best view of Hubbard, in my opinion. Terri was at ASI all during ALL of Hubbard’s final orders to ASI, and ASI was “LRH’s personal org” (which served him, business wise) to the end of his life.

All the older timer Scientologists who point to the Sea Org being when Hubbard turned into the cult boss narsiscist who dished out trauma on others unchecked, are people who support your labelling, and I think that climate of the Sea Org from then till today and Miscavige running his own flourish of Hubbard’s set Sea Org punishment era patterns.

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I like it!

What are three to five months between friends?