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	Comments on: Dungeons &#038; Dragons and Scientology collide: Can we get a saving throw on that engram?	</title>
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		By: Mick Roberts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mick Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 13:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-2/#comment-1794237&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

Ahh ok, gotcha. Thought this might be posted already from last year or something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-2/#comment-1794237">Baby</a>.</p>
<p>Ahh ok, gotcha. Thought this might be posted already from last year or something.</p>
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		By: Dice シ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dice シ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 08:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-1/#comment-1794130&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

try look it up on wikipedia (Talk) and you will see the latest status on this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-1/#comment-1794130">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>try look it up on wikipedia (Talk) and you will see the latest status on this.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 06:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-2/#comment-1794182&quot;&gt;Mick Roberts&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry Mick.. unwritten rule at Bunker.. we don&#039;t identify ..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-2/#comment-1794182">Mick Roberts</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry Mick.. unwritten rule at Bunker.. we don&#8217;t identify ..</p>
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		By: Gus_Cox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gus_Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 05:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hahaha, the clear cog:  I made it all up.  OT VIII cog:  I made it all up.  

Who really made it all up:  L. Ron Hubbard.  

What a tool.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha, the clear cog:  I made it all up.  OT VIII cog:  I made it all up.  </p>
<p>Who really made it all up:  L. Ron Hubbard.  </p>
<p>What a tool.</p>
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		By: Gus_Cox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gus_Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-1/#comment-1792782&quot;&gt;Mary&lt;/a&gt;.

I swear, I wanna leaflet the Failwinds with little tracts explaining that you don&#039;t need your damned passport to get off the damned ship!  Just Leave!  Walk away!  

Then go to your embassy or consulate wherever you are and tell them you were brought there against your will, and that your passport is being held on that damned boat and you do not want to go back there.  If there is no embassy or consulate where you are then go to the local police station and say the same thing!  You will not be arrested!  

Your passport belongs to your government, not to you and not to fucking Scientology.  The authorities *will* remove it from the ship.  Of course, those pieces of shit on the boat will say that they wanted to give it back to you and blah blah, but they *will* give it to whatever official shows up and demands it.  

Then go home.  

You Don&#039;t Need Your Passport To Leave The Ship!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-1/#comment-1792782">Mary</a>.</p>
<p>I swear, I wanna leaflet the Failwinds with little tracts explaining that you don&#8217;t need your damned passport to get off the damned ship!  Just Leave!  Walk away!  </p>
<p>Then go to your embassy or consulate wherever you are and tell them you were brought there against your will, and that your passport is being held on that damned boat and you do not want to go back there.  If there is no embassy or consulate where you are then go to the local police station and say the same thing!  You will not be arrested!  </p>
<p>Your passport belongs to your government, not to you and not to fucking Scientology.  The authorities *will* remove it from the ship.  Of course, those pieces of shit on the boat will say that they wanted to give it back to you and blah blah, but they *will* give it to whatever official shows up and demands it.  </p>
<p>Then go home.  </p>
<p>You Don&#8217;t Need Your Passport To Leave The Ship!</p>
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		By: Mick Roberts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mick Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 04:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-2/#comment-1793945&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

Late to this party, but I&#039;m assuming that&#039;s you, Baby, snuggled up on that fella who seems very happy to have you on his chest.  But if you don&#039;t mind me asking, what are the Bunker names for all of the other people in those two pictures (3 other ladies on top and the 2 guys on the bottom)?  I only came to the Bunker 2-3 months ago, so I guess I missed all of the first Howdy Con posts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-2/#comment-1793945">Baby</a>.</p>
<p>Late to this party, but I&#8217;m assuming that&#8217;s you, Baby, snuggled up on that fella who seems very happy to have you on his chest.  But if you don&#8217;t mind me asking, what are the Bunker names for all of the other people in those two pictures (3 other ladies on top and the 2 guys on the bottom)?  I only came to the Bunker 2-3 months ago, so I guess I missed all of the first Howdy Con posts.</p>
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		By: Gus_Cox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gus_Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 04:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-1/#comment-1793843&quot;&gt;Angelbug&lt;/a&gt;.

There are a lot of departed Class VIII auditors who have a major issue with a failed Class IV (that would be Miscavige, who was thrown off His Cl. IV internship for slapping a PC) decreeing that OTs have to go back and do objectives, etc.  That&#039;s why they left.  If somebody&#039;s into getting auditing, there are more Cl. VIII and XII auditors *outside* the &quot;church&quot; than inside, these days.  

Dave is the chairman of RTC, which is ostensibly a corporation that manages copyrights.  In other words, He is an administrative guy, not a technical one.  He&#039;s a pencil-pusher, not a &quot;tech&quot; expert.  I find it extremely funny that PC-slapping David Miscavige&#039;s decrees on technical matters are not simply ignored.  

In His Divine Wisdom, Pope Miscavige once declared the &quot;Why&quot; of some such thing to be &quot;the blind are leading the blind.&quot;  Boy, did He ever get *that* part right!  

Blind Davey Miscavige, Pope-on-a-Box.  LOL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-1/#comment-1793843">Angelbug</a>.</p>
<p>There are a lot of departed Class VIII auditors who have a major issue with a failed Class IV (that would be Miscavige, who was thrown off His Cl. IV internship for slapping a PC) decreeing that OTs have to go back and do objectives, etc.  That&#8217;s why they left.  If somebody&#8217;s into getting auditing, there are more Cl. VIII and XII auditors *outside* the &#8220;church&#8221; than inside, these days.  </p>
<p>Dave is the chairman of RTC, which is ostensibly a corporation that manages copyrights.  In other words, He is an administrative guy, not a technical one.  He&#8217;s a pencil-pusher, not a &#8220;tech&#8221; expert.  I find it extremely funny that PC-slapping David Miscavige&#8217;s decrees on technical matters are not simply ignored.  </p>
<p>In His Divine Wisdom, Pope Miscavige once declared the &#8220;Why&#8221; of some such thing to be &#8220;the blind are leading the blind.&#8221;  Boy, did He ever get *that* part right!  </p>
<p>Blind Davey Miscavige, Pope-on-a-Box.  LOL.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 02:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-1/#comment-1793788&quot;&gt;Dice シ&lt;/a&gt;.

Dice, what I find particularly interesting is to see that the term engram is still used in its original (pre-Hubbard) context in neuropsychology.   I need to look into that some more, as the related modern research about how memory is formed may even directly disprove central parts of Hubbard&#039;s theory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-1/#comment-1793788">Dice シ</a>.</p>
<p>Dice, what I find particularly interesting is to see that the term engram is still used in its original (pre-Hubbard) context in neuropsychology.   I need to look into that some more, as the related modern research about how memory is formed may even directly disprove central parts of Hubbard&#8217;s theory.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-2/#comment-1793954&quot;&gt;Jimmy3&lt;/a&gt;.

Hahhaha.. I personally dealt the hands.. so Thank God it wasn&#039;t me..shhhhhh ... ( only the boots were left on ..)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-2/#comment-1793954">Jimmy3</a>.</p>
<p>Hahhaha.. I personally dealt the hands.. so Thank God it wasn&#8217;t me..shhhhhh &#8230; ( only the boots were left on ..)</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 02:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-2/#comment-1793963&quot;&gt;EmmaDaoust&lt;/a&gt;.

OH you are so wonderful.. OMG if Doc is reading I&#039;ll just die.. 

He started reading Tony at the Village Voice..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/30/dungeons-and-dragons-and-scientology-collide-can-we-get-a-saving-throw-on-that-engram/comment-page-2/#comment-1793963">EmmaDaoust</a>.</p>
<p>OH you are so wonderful.. OMG if Doc is reading I&#8217;ll just die.. </p>
<p>He started reading Tony at the Village Voice..</p>
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