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		By: Tory Christman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tory Christman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2017 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/comment-page-2/#comment-1771439&quot;&gt;Tony Ortega&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Tony for spelling this out so efficiently! It is a
Blow by blow that will be referred to, forever.

Karen, thank you for sharing your support of Marty.
His sick lies about you &#038; Jeffrey, Tony and really all of we who help
Expose the intense abuses of the organization/business
Pretending to be a religion: &quot;the cherch of $cientology&quot;...
Is pathetic!
    Happily.....it IS an Epic Fail!

I will always thank Marty for sharing the OSA 2006
&quot;FOR YOUR EYES ONLY&quot;....25 STEP PROGRAM TO
&quot;MUZZLE TORY&quot;. Another Epic Fail. :)
Love to you All!! Tory/Magoo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/comment-page-2/#comment-1771439">Tony Ortega</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you Tony for spelling this out so efficiently! It is a<br />
Blow by blow that will be referred to, forever.</p>
<p>Karen, thank you for sharing your support of Marty.<br />
His sick lies about you &amp; Jeffrey, Tony and really all of we who help<br />
Expose the intense abuses of the organization/business<br />
Pretending to be a religion: &#8220;the cherch of $cientology&#8221;&#8230;<br />
Is pathetic!<br />
    Happily&#8230;..it IS an Epic Fail!</p>
<p>I will always thank Marty for sharing the OSA 2006<br />
&#8220;FOR YOUR EYES ONLY&#8221;&#8230;.25 STEP PROGRAM TO<br />
&#8220;MUZZLE TORY&#8221;. Another Epic Fail. 🙂<br />
Love to you All!! Tory/Magoo</p>
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		By: madame duran		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 23:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marty Rathbun&#039;s truthful exposure of the abuses and the insanity going on within the Scientology organization still stands.  It was the TRUTH of what he said at the time (backed up by multiple witnesses) that caused Miscavige to harrass both him and his wife Monique as a means to silence him.  If Marty was telling lies all along, do you think Scientology would&#039;ve retaliated in that way?  Marty was labelled &quot;psychotic&quot; by the cult...yet Miscavige promoted and kept him in a high position during the time he was harming others.  How does Scientology explain that profound lack of leadership?  By saying, &quot;Oh, we didn&#039;t know&quot;?

Marty is currently lying and/or recanting all that he previously said but the cat is already out the bag.  You can&#039;t undo factual events.  Marty is no longer a reliable witness because of this recent compromise of  his own integrity.  However, that doesn&#039;t change the validity of what he said previously.  That&#039;s one thing about truth: it&#039;s consistent.  

Side comment: upvoting your own post looks tacky.  It looks like you&#039;re praising yourself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty Rathbun&#8217;s truthful exposure of the abuses and the insanity going on within the Scientology organization still stands.  It was the TRUTH of what he said at the time (backed up by multiple witnesses) that caused Miscavige to harrass both him and his wife Monique as a means to silence him.  If Marty was telling lies all along, do you think Scientology would&#8217;ve retaliated in that way?  Marty was labelled &#8220;psychotic&#8221; by the cult&#8230;yet Miscavige promoted and kept him in a high position during the time he was harming others.  How does Scientology explain that profound lack of leadership?  By saying, &#8220;Oh, we didn&#8217;t know&#8221;?</p>
<p>Marty is currently lying and/or recanting all that he previously said but the cat is already out the bag.  You can&#8217;t undo factual events.  Marty is no longer a reliable witness because of this recent compromise of  his own integrity.  However, that doesn&#8217;t change the validity of what he said previously.  That&#8217;s one thing about truth: it&#8217;s consistent.  </p>
<p>Side comment: upvoting your own post looks tacky.  It looks like you&#8217;re praising yourself.</p>
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		By: uwcb		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2017 04:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/comment-page-2/#comment-1771836&quot;&gt;EmmaDaoust&lt;/a&gt;.

Drawing of Tom is actual size.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/comment-page-2/#comment-1771836">EmmaDaoust</a>.</p>
<p>Drawing of Tom is actual size.</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2017 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Masterful detailed history layout.

Tony you are peerless covering Scientology&#039;s ongoing history.  

Future years &quot;experts&quot; of Scientology MUST return to this article above, for exemplary coverage of the Marty Rathbun history story.   That Tony spent the years to get to the point of writing the above, is a huge thankyou warrented.

People OUGHT to donate to this blog, for articles for Tony&#039;s years of reporting on this subject, Scientology!  

Chuck Beatty
ex Sea Org dupe 1975-2003
1 July 2017
comment made re-reading Tony&#039;s treasure trove of material on Scientology&#039;s biggest side stories, and Marty Rathbun is a big sidestory presently.   Unbelievable excellent summary here above.  
Total Scientology history nuts I still think Marty&#039;s 3rd book, Chapter 24, &quot;Meanwhile Back at the Ranch&quot; is huge unappreciated new material  to this whole Hubbard history story---it&#039;s the chapter with additional details of Sarge Steven Pfauth&#039;s recollections of the final months of Hubbard&#039;s life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masterful detailed history layout.</p>
<p>Tony you are peerless covering Scientology&#8217;s ongoing history.  </p>
<p>Future years &#8220;experts&#8221; of Scientology MUST return to this article above, for exemplary coverage of the Marty Rathbun history story.   That Tony spent the years to get to the point of writing the above, is a huge thankyou warrented.</p>
<p>People OUGHT to donate to this blog, for articles for Tony&#8217;s years of reporting on this subject, Scientology!  </p>
<p>Chuck Beatty<br />
ex Sea Org dupe 1975-2003<br />
1 July 2017<br />
comment made re-reading Tony&#8217;s treasure trove of material on Scientology&#8217;s biggest side stories, and Marty Rathbun is a big sidestory presently.   Unbelievable excellent summary here above.<br />
Total Scientology history nuts I still think Marty&#8217;s 3rd book, Chapter 24, &#8220;Meanwhile Back at the Ranch&#8221; is huge unappreciated new material  to this whole Hubbard history story&#8212;it&#8217;s the chapter with additional details of Sarge Steven Pfauth&#8217;s recollections of the final months of Hubbard&#8217;s life.</p>
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		By: willloomis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[willloomis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/comment-page-2/#comment-1771437&quot;&gt;Karen de la Carriere&lt;/a&gt;.

Marty&#039;s not wearing a wedding ring anymore, check out this recent video pic https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cee8f53f4f649425aa01d7dc786fad00b3c3ef8d6e8d52955b606342b9b7527.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/comment-page-2/#comment-1771437">Karen de la Carriere</a>.</p>
<p>Marty&#8217;s not wearing a wedding ring anymore, check out this recent video pic <a href="https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cee8f53f4f649425aa01d7dc786fad00b3c3ef8d6e8d52955b606342b9b7527.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cee8f53f4f649425aa01d7dc786fad00b3c3ef8d6e8d52955b606342b9b7527.jpg</a></p>
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		By: willloomis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[willloomis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marty&#039;s not wearing a wedding ring in this recent video  https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cee8f53f4f649425aa01d7dc786fad00b3c3ef8d6e8d52955b606342b9b7527.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty&#8217;s not wearing a wedding ring in this recent video  <a href="https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cee8f53f4f649425aa01d7dc786fad00b3c3ef8d6e8d52955b606342b9b7527.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cee8f53f4f649425aa01d7dc786fad00b3c3ef8d6e8d52955b606342b9b7527.jpg</a></p>
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		By: Kenneth Tarlow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Tarlow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[75 million years ago was the Cretaceous
Period. Dinosaurs, giant animals and fish.  it would end in 10 million years.  maybe instead of an asteroid striking, throwing millions of tons of stuff into the atmosphere, blocking the Ultra violet spectrum of the sun and plunged  the earth  into a Ice Age ,  Instead maybe Xeno put atomic bombs in his space fairing DC8&#039;s and and well you know the story better than me. Mr Hubbard the physics export was only off by 10 million years.

 Maybe young people needing a sense of community and purpose formed together, thinking they could do some good, and joined Mr Hubbard, idealistically, an organization  that promised both. However, It seems the organization had no Torah, no moral center.

Perhaps this dance with Scientology is more of an indictment of us, our human condition. why do we dance with silly things.   I am sad by the whole thing,especially for  the people who thru their lives away. 

I don&#039;t know, or want to know Marty Rathbun, I wish him peace, make peace with his demons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>75 million years ago was the Cretaceous<br />
Period. Dinosaurs, giant animals and fish.  it would end in 10 million years.  maybe instead of an asteroid striking, throwing millions of tons of stuff into the atmosphere, blocking the Ultra violet spectrum of the sun and plunged  the earth  into a Ice Age ,  Instead maybe Xeno put atomic bombs in his space fairing DC8&#8217;s and and well you know the story better than me. Mr Hubbard the physics export was only off by 10 million years.</p>
<p> Maybe young people needing a sense of community and purpose formed together, thinking they could do some good, and joined Mr Hubbard, idealistically, an organization  that promised both. However, It seems the organization had no Torah, no moral center.</p>
<p>Perhaps this dance with Scientology is more of an indictment of us, our human condition. why do we dance with silly things.   I am sad by the whole thing,especially for  the people who thru their lives away. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, or want to know Marty Rathbun, I wish him peace, make peace with his demons.</p>
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		By: wiseoldsnail		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wiseoldsnail]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2017 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/comment-page-1/#comment-1800112&quot;&gt;Rick Alan Ross&lt;/a&gt;.

doubtful . rampart cops likely killed a few people, put plenty innocent people in jail, beat innocent people, etc . thugs are thugs ... whether hiding behind a shield or cult]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/comment-page-1/#comment-1800112">Rick Alan Ross</a>.</p>
<p>doubtful . rampart cops likely killed a few people, put plenty innocent people in jail, beat innocent people, etc . thugs are thugs &#8230; whether hiding behind a shield or cult</p>
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		By: Rick Alan Ross		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Alan Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/comment-page-1/#comment-1799974&quot;&gt;wiseoldsnail&lt;/a&gt;.

Marty Rathbun is probably worse than that. The conversation below begun by Karen de la Carriere makes that point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/comment-page-1/#comment-1799974">wiseoldsnail</a>.</p>
<p>Marty Rathbun is probably worse than that. The conversation below begun by Karen de la Carriere makes that point.</p>
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		By: wiseoldsnail		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wiseoldsnail]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/comment-page-1/#comment-1799673&quot;&gt;Rick Alan Ross&lt;/a&gt;.

he tried, for awhile, to make himself important in the activism against police brutality ... yet continued to act like a cop the whole time]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/comment-page-1/#comment-1799673">Rick Alan Ross</a>.</p>
<p>he tried, for awhile, to make himself important in the activism against police brutality &#8230; yet continued to act like a cop the whole time</p>
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