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	Comments on: As Scientology shrinks, its leader dreams up new ways to convince followers otherwise	</title>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2017 13:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1750207&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Too bad they are not available.  They could offer clues about Hubbard&#039;s mind. The deterioration of his thinking is something desperately needing strong evidence.  ]]></description>
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<p>Too bad they are not available.  They could offer clues about Hubbard&#8217;s mind. The deterioration of his thinking is something desperately needing strong evidence.  </p>
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		By: Bradley Greenwood		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bradley Greenwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2017 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1748885&quot;&gt;Tony Ortega&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s nice to be feared. No one, I mean NO ONE fears me... especially our lippy fifteen year old daughter.
Bask in it, Tony.  :)]]></description>
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<p>It&#8217;s nice to be feared. No one, I mean NO ONE fears me&#8230; especially our lippy fifteen year old daughter.<br />
Bask in it, Tony.  🙂</p>
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		By: Staci		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Staci]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I read through some of the documents on Wikkileaks about the Birthday Game and wondered if the 5.4x goal was ever reached by anyone? It is obviously completely unrealistic, particularly if it is done EVERY YEAR. Were there years this game was not &quot;played?&quot; Are there levels of success or are you and your department just f&#039;ed if you don&#039;t make the quarterly numbers as well as the final goal of 5.4x?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read through some of the documents on Wikkileaks about the Birthday Game and wondered if the 5.4x goal was ever reached by anyone? It is obviously completely unrealistic, particularly if it is done EVERY YEAR. Were there years this game was not &#8220;played?&#8221; Are there levels of success or are you and your department just f&#8217;ed if you don&#8217;t make the quarterly numbers as well as the final goal of 5.4x?</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1750032&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve only seen a tiny fraction of the private despatch traffic and the &quot;orders&quot; or &quot;advices&quot; traffic on the internet.

NONE of the INCOMM advices are online.

NONE of the ASI advices are online.

NONE of the CST nor RTC advices are online.

NONE of the CO CMO INT traffic is online.

NONE of the above is even in the public domain, in any form, that I&#039;ve seen.

NONE of the SPCL PJT OPS traffic is online or in the public domain.

It is all based on memory of the dozens and in some cases, maybe 100-300 persons who&#039;ve at various times in their Int Base careers have had to study the traffic due to that traffic having specific relevance to some portion of their Int Base jobs.

It&#039;s kind of this odd situation of Hubbard&#039;s final years of &quot;traffic&quot; the private stuff, the whole history of it will be explained in the coming years by the people who dealt with that &quot;line&quot; of getting Hubbard&#039;s final words onto paper and into the hands of the Int Base staffers whose jobs Hubbard was writing about.

It can all be loosely called Hubbard&#039;s final years of private &quot;management&quot; and ASI traffic.   CST and RTC are not technically management, but in the pecking order, in the top ranks of what Hubbard wished done, at the end of his life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1750032">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only seen a tiny fraction of the private despatch traffic and the &#8220;orders&#8221; or &#8220;advices&#8221; traffic on the internet.</p>
<p>NONE of the INCOMM advices are online.</p>
<p>NONE of the ASI advices are online.</p>
<p>NONE of the CST nor RTC advices are online.</p>
<p>NONE of the CO CMO INT traffic is online.</p>
<p>NONE of the above is even in the public domain, in any form, that I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
<p>NONE of the SPCL PJT OPS traffic is online or in the public domain.</p>
<p>It is all based on memory of the dozens and in some cases, maybe 100-300 persons who&#8217;ve at various times in their Int Base careers have had to study the traffic due to that traffic having specific relevance to some portion of their Int Base jobs.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of this odd situation of Hubbard&#8217;s final years of &#8220;traffic&#8221; the private stuff, the whole history of it will be explained in the coming years by the people who dealt with that &#8220;line&#8221; of getting Hubbard&#8217;s final words onto paper and into the hands of the Int Base staffers whose jobs Hubbard was writing about.</p>
<p>It can all be loosely called Hubbard&#8217;s final years of private &#8220;management&#8221; and ASI traffic.   CST and RTC are not technically management, but in the pecking order, in the top ranks of what Hubbard wished done, at the end of his life.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2017 07:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1748968&quot;&gt;chukicita&lt;/a&gt;.

No shoops please. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1748968">chukicita</a>.</p>
<p>No shoops please. </p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1750145</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2017 07:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1748885&quot;&gt;Tony Ortega&lt;/a&gt;.

Tony, something that I think would make an excellent series of posts or a thick book would be to address the advices Hubbard wrote and reportedly ran Scientology with for years behind the scenes. Chuck Beatty has remarked on reading many of them for years.

There is a gap in my opinion between the official Scientology doctrine with Hubbard&#039;s name on it and the reported deterioration at the end of his life. We are aware of the Sarge special E meter story,  but it needs a lot of support and information on Hubbard&#039;s behavior over the last years of his life.

Chuck Beatty gave me the impression he believes that several hundred Sea Org members saw hundreds of advices by Hubbard that fill in the gap and expose his frame of mind. If the advices themselves could be released that would be ideal, but if not then perhaps some of the ex Sea Org members could be interviewed. They are still alive and can bear witness to this relatively undocumented portion of Hubbard&#039;s life. I have particular interest in his mental health but some would want historical data regarding Scientology itself. Something to consider if you are looking for a story most won&#039;t get. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1748885">Tony Ortega</a>.</p>
<p>Tony, something that I think would make an excellent series of posts or a thick book would be to address the advices Hubbard wrote and reportedly ran Scientology with for years behind the scenes. Chuck Beatty has remarked on reading many of them for years.</p>
<p>There is a gap in my opinion between the official Scientology doctrine with Hubbard&#8217;s name on it and the reported deterioration at the end of his life. We are aware of the Sarge special E meter story,  but it needs a lot of support and information on Hubbard&#8217;s behavior over the last years of his life.</p>
<p>Chuck Beatty gave me the impression he believes that several hundred Sea Org members saw hundreds of advices by Hubbard that fill in the gap and expose his frame of mind. If the advices themselves could be released that would be ideal, but if not then perhaps some of the ex Sea Org members could be interviewed. They are still alive and can bear witness to this relatively undocumented portion of Hubbard&#8217;s life. I have particular interest in his mental health but some would want historical data regarding Scientology itself. Something to consider if you are looking for a story most won&#8217;t get. </p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2017 07:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1748940&quot;&gt;chukicita&lt;/a&gt;.

ALL CLAMS on deck ! 😂😂😂]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1748940">chukicita</a>.</p>
<p>ALL CLAMS on deck ! 😂😂😂</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2017 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1749264&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Are there physical copies anywhere or are they online  ? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1749264">chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03</a>.</p>
<p>Are there physical copies anywhere or are they online  ? </p>
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		By: Pharisee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pharisee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2017 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1749124&quot;&gt;Todd Tomorrow&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re welcome and Thanks, Todd! :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1749124">Todd Tomorrow</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome and Thanks, Todd! 🙂</p>
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		By: Pharisee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pharisee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2017 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1749132&quot;&gt;Douglas D. Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

You are Welcome and Thanks, Douglas!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/21/as-scientology-shrinks-its-leader-dreams-up-new-ways-to-convince-followers-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-1749132">Douglas D. Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>You are Welcome and Thanks, Douglas!</p>
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