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		By: Rasha		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-2/#comment-1737568&quot;&gt;madame duran&lt;/a&gt;.

Very thanks! ^_^]]></description>
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<p>Very thanks! ^_^</p>
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		By: madame duran		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-2/#comment-1735317&quot;&gt;Rasha&lt;/a&gt;.

How to embed tweets:
Look to the right side of any tweeted message and you&#039;ll see a small downward arrow.  When you click on the arrow, a menu shows up. Click &quot;Copy link to tweet&quot; (yes, there&#039;s an option of &quot;Embed Tweet&quot; but for the purpose of simply posting Tweets on the Bunker, copying links is just as good and comes without all the extra coding text). Copy the link that&#039;s shown on the screen then paste it directly here (in the box where you&#039;d normally type your comments).  You don&#039;t have to do any screen captures or save images; the link includes the Tweet&#039;s text and/or pictures &quot;as is&quot;.
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I&#039;m testing the &quot;Embed Tweet&quot; option below just to see how it looks.

&lt;blockquote&gt;My honey &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/apangelo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@apangelo&lt;/a&gt; showing off his chocolate chip pancake skills to our daughter. Little… &lt;a href=&quot;https://t.co/ZA8EGAMRws&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://t.co/ZA8EGAMRws&lt;/a&gt;&#8212; Leah Remini (@LeahRemini) &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/LeahRemini/status/828327360881639424&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;February 5, 2017&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-2/#comment-1735317">Rasha</a>.</p>
<p>How to embed tweets:<br />
Look to the right side of any tweeted message and you&#8217;ll see a small downward arrow.  When you click on the arrow, a menu shows up. Click &#8220;Copy link to tweet&#8221; (yes, there&#8217;s an option of &#8220;Embed Tweet&#8221; but for the purpose of simply posting Tweets on the Bunker, copying links is just as good and comes without all the extra coding text). Copy the link that&#8217;s shown on the screen then paste it directly here (in the box where you&#8217;d normally type your comments).  You don&#8217;t have to do any screen captures or save images; the link includes the Tweet&#8217;s text and/or pictures &#8220;as is&#8221;.<br />
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I&#8217;m testing the &#8220;Embed Tweet&#8221; option below just to see how it looks.</p>
<blockquote><p>My honey <a href="https://twitter.com/apangelo" rel="nofollow">@apangelo</a> showing off his chocolate chip pancake skills to our daughter. Little… <a href="https://t.co/ZA8EGAMRws" rel="nofollow">https://t.co/ZA8EGAMRws</a>&mdash; Leah Remini (@LeahRemini) <a href="https://twitter.com/LeahRemini/status/828327360881639424" rel="nofollow">February 5, 2017</a></p></blockquote>
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		By: Mooser42001		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2017 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-2/#comment-1735532&quot;&gt;April&lt;/a&gt;.

It means he has hair like the raven&#039;s wing, and a Body by Adonis.  Plus, he&#039;s wafer-thin, rapier-sharp, and button-cute!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-2/#comment-1735532">April</a>.</p>
<p>It means he has hair like the raven&#8217;s wing, and a Body by Adonis.  Plus, he&#8217;s wafer-thin, rapier-sharp, and button-cute!</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2017 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-1/#comment-1736518&quot;&gt;JJ&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t think, if he moved in the real world, Miscavige would keep a job fipping burgers for a day - he would end up punching his supervisor for telling him that he had burned one. 

I don&#039;t know about the gay thing, or the notion that they have a close relationship. I doubt that, in total, they have really spent much time together or that either of them are prepared to honestly open up to the other (surely an essential prerequisite of a real relationship) . Those motorcycle poses, for example, are just self-aggrandizing pretense.. 

Like their lives in general, it&#039;s all about posing, pretense and appearances. There is nothing authentic in their lives, and that is pitiable. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-1/#comment-1736518">JJ</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think, if he moved in the real world, Miscavige would keep a job fipping burgers for a day &#8211; he would end up punching his supervisor for telling him that he had burned one. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about the gay thing, or the notion that they have a close relationship. I doubt that, in total, they have really spent much time together or that either of them are prepared to honestly open up to the other (surely an essential prerequisite of a real relationship) . Those motorcycle poses, for example, are just self-aggrandizing pretense.. </p>
<p>Like their lives in general, it&#8217;s all about posing, pretense and appearances. There is nothing authentic in their lives, and that is pitiable. </p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2017 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-1/#comment-1736155&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

Agree. I can&#039;t see what else Miscavige would be in the world, he couldn&#039;t run a business with such behavior he&#039;d be arrested. Cruise seems like a pet in many ways.  A very controlled tool of DM&#039;s. They both enhance one another&#039;s position in Scientology and buttress their defense from those outside of it.
Just my opinion but I think it would be easier if they were gay, then they could be a couple. For two men to have such an intense bond that isn&#039;t sexual has got to be complex. I get the feeling DM has fiddled in the personal life of TC for good and/or ill since way back. Maybe he is uncomfortable sharing him and regards TC as his personal property, a wife esp not a committed Scientology wife is always going to be a threat.
From TC side he has the appearance of total support and admiration and a like minded man standing behind him in something not very popular outside the bubble. If TC is really being fooled and DM has no real care for him as a person, I think that will be very leveling for TC. Might be better just to pretend you don&#039;t know...?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-1/#comment-1736155">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>Agree. I can&#8217;t see what else Miscavige would be in the world, he couldn&#8217;t run a business with such behavior he&#8217;d be arrested. Cruise seems like a pet in many ways.  A very controlled tool of DM&#8217;s. They both enhance one another&#8217;s position in Scientology and buttress their defense from those outside of it.<br />
Just my opinion but I think it would be easier if they were gay, then they could be a couple. For two men to have such an intense bond that isn&#8217;t sexual has got to be complex. I get the feeling DM has fiddled in the personal life of TC for good and/or ill since way back. Maybe he is uncomfortable sharing him and regards TC as his personal property, a wife esp not a committed Scientology wife is always going to be a threat.<br />
From TC side he has the appearance of total support and admiration and a like minded man standing behind him in something not very popular outside the bubble. If TC is really being fooled and DM has no real care for him as a person, I think that will be very leveling for TC. Might be better just to pretend you don&#8217;t know&#8230;?</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2017 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-1/#comment-1735262&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

CST, Hubbard Exhibition, museum of the Apollo Sea Org history,   ah.....

museums motif in Scientology&#039;s dupe&#039;s money spending.

I think it&#039;s tax dodging inherited from Hubbard&#039;s legacy of his years of tax dodging.

Maybe this forbodes some Museum of IRS Nastiness by Scientology someday, mabye a new &quot;Citizens Exposing IRS Nastiness&quot;,   oh I forgot, that was one angle of the Scientology IRS deal that Scientology foolishly gave up Scientology&#039;s rights to keep IRS bashing.

Tax dodger L. Ron Hubbard foiled his own museum motif legacy.

Scientology&#039;s image selling motif is a story for architecture students, I hope one quick takes up the fertile wierdness.


Hotel and Hospital buying motif to their &quot;churches&quot;, Ideal Orgs being their whole legacy of old architectual styles, and then Hubbard&#039;s &quot;horses&quot; farm motif at the end in his Creston Ranch with the spaceship logo KOOL ovals with the &quot;diamonds are here Ron&quot; in the centers of the OVALS.

Hubbard&#039;s visual symbolism communication, and their buildings, that IS a book of weirdness waiting to be compiled!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-1/#comment-1735262">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>CST, Hubbard Exhibition, museum of the Apollo Sea Org history,   ah&#8230;..</p>
<p>museums motif in Scientology&#8217;s dupe&#8217;s money spending.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s tax dodging inherited from Hubbard&#8217;s legacy of his years of tax dodging.</p>
<p>Maybe this forbodes some Museum of IRS Nastiness by Scientology someday, mabye a new &#8220;Citizens Exposing IRS Nastiness&#8221;,   oh I forgot, that was one angle of the Scientology IRS deal that Scientology foolishly gave up Scientology&#8217;s rights to keep IRS bashing.</p>
<p>Tax dodger L. Ron Hubbard foiled his own museum motif legacy.</p>
<p>Scientology&#8217;s image selling motif is a story for architecture students, I hope one quick takes up the fertile wierdness.</p>
<p>Hotel and Hospital buying motif to their &#8220;churches&#8221;, Ideal Orgs being their whole legacy of old architectual styles, and then Hubbard&#8217;s &#8220;horses&#8221; farm motif at the end in his Creston Ranch with the spaceship logo KOOL ovals with the &#8220;diamonds are here Ron&#8221; in the centers of the OVALS.</p>
<p>Hubbard&#8217;s visual symbolism communication, and their buildings, that IS a book of weirdness waiting to be compiled!</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2017 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-1/#comment-1735786&quot;&gt;JJ&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d say that Miscavige was a driven personality, lacking in empathy from the beginning. He had the misfortune not only to encounter Scientology before he had the chance to acquire any kind of meaningful education, but also to seize power in it. 

The consequence is that he sees the world entirely through the distorting lens of Scientology doctrine, and channels Hubbard&#039;s petty and vengeful personality because he share those characteristics.

Cruise strikes me as a man who wants to believe his own publicity, but is still insecure. Scientology provides him with reassurance that he &lt;I&gt;really&lt;/I&gt; is superior - that the money and public attention is deserved. When that public attention turns bad (e.g. that occasion he was booed, attending a sporting event) of course, that&#039;s SPs attacking a &#039;Big Being&#039;. 

His delusion is self-sealing, and protected by a phalanx of yes-men. In this kind of situation, people tend to behave badly. While I do think Cruise is responsible for the harm his bad behaviour is doing, the influence of the CofS is a powerfully manipulative influence upon him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-1/#comment-1735786">JJ</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that Miscavige was a driven personality, lacking in empathy from the beginning. He had the misfortune not only to encounter Scientology before he had the chance to acquire any kind of meaningful education, but also to seize power in it. </p>
<p>The consequence is that he sees the world entirely through the distorting lens of Scientology doctrine, and channels Hubbard&#8217;s petty and vengeful personality because he share those characteristics.</p>
<p>Cruise strikes me as a man who wants to believe his own publicity, but is still insecure. Scientology provides him with reassurance that he <i>really</i> is superior &#8211; that the money and public attention is deserved. When that public attention turns bad (e.g. that occasion he was booed, attending a sporting event) of course, that&#8217;s SPs attacking a &#8216;Big Being&#8217;. </p>
<p>His delusion is self-sealing, and protected by a phalanx of yes-men. In this kind of situation, people tend to behave badly. While I do think Cruise is responsible for the harm his bad behaviour is doing, the influence of the CofS is a powerfully manipulative influence upon him.</p>
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		By: DexterSka		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2017 12:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-1/#comment-1736110&quot;&gt;kemist&lt;/a&gt;.

He&#039;s going to have a rough time punishing every person that makes fun of him...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-1/#comment-1736110">kemist</a>.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s going to have a rough time punishing every person that makes fun of him&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2017 12:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clear water will waste millions trying to revitalize the city , as long as Scientology is in the midst nothing around it will grow, if people come around they will be hunted and haggled by Scientologist which will make people shy away, Scientology will see this as an opportunity to hunt raw meat. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clear water will waste millions trying to revitalize the city , as long as Scientology is in the midst nothing around it will grow, if people come around they will be hunted and haggled by Scientologist which will make people shy away, Scientology will see this as an opportunity to hunt raw meat. </p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2017 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-1/#comment-1736104&quot;&gt;DexterSka&lt;/a&gt;.

Everything is personal to Trump. It would be epic and hilarious.

I&#039;m more worried about what  Miscavige would do if it looks like it&#039;s game over. Miscavige is a psychopath, much harder to predict.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/02/05/hey-scientology-this-guy-doesnt-want-to-shill-for-you-what-gives/comment-page-1/#comment-1736104">DexterSka</a>.</p>
<p>Everything is personal to Trump. It would be epic and hilarious.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more worried about what  Miscavige would do if it looks like it&#8217;s game over. Miscavige is a psychopath, much harder to predict.</p>
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