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	Comments on: For 30 grand or so, Scientology will let you into its shrine to L. Ron Hubbard. Here&#8217;s a peek.	</title>
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		By: What it look like		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What it look like]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[oh Dear]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh Dear</p>
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		By: Marc Watt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc Watt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2017 10:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are you fucking kidding me? This is their grand spiritual plan? And what&#039;s this shit I saw about a new 50 million dollar film studio for Tom Cruise to use? Are these people PR idiots. They would be better off, going into flint Michigan, and having a huge presser, allocating funds to fix pipes, relocate people, address medical costs, etc...people would be really impressed with that. Instead they build a studio for Tom?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you fucking kidding me? This is their grand spiritual plan? And what&#8217;s this shit I saw about a new 50 million dollar film studio for Tom Cruise to use? Are these people PR idiots. They would be better off, going into flint Michigan, and having a huge presser, allocating funds to fix pipes, relocate people, address medical costs, etc&#8230;people would be really impressed with that. Instead they build a studio for Tom?</p>
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		By: Marc Watt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc Watt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2017 09:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-2/#comment-1732018&quot;&gt;Artoo45&lt;/a&gt;.

I need to check it out. I got little annoyed with the Theroux interview he did for new Scientology flick. Constantly interrupting him and getting off topic on some weak ass philosophical nonsense. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-2/#comment-1732018">Artoo45</a>.</p>
<p>I need to check it out. I got little annoyed with the Theroux interview he did for new Scientology flick. Constantly interrupting him and getting off topic on some weak ass philosophical nonsense. </p>
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		By: Harpoona Frittata		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harpoona Frittata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2017 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-1/#comment-1733847&quot;&gt;vicariousthrill&lt;/a&gt;.

I love the British parliamentary tradition of requiring their leaders to stand before  their government and speak extemporaneously in support or opposition to policies and actions that are in the process of being decided on.

Having to stand and directly weigh in on important decisions, rather than communicate through a press secretary or only during controlled press conference briefings, seems like it should be a required presidential duty to me!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-1/#comment-1733847">vicariousthrill</a>.</p>
<p>I love the British parliamentary tradition of requiring their leaders to stand before  their government and speak extemporaneously in support or opposition to policies and actions that are in the process of being decided on.</p>
<p>Having to stand and directly weigh in on important decisions, rather than communicate through a press secretary or only during controlled press conference briefings, seems like it should be a required presidential duty to me!</p>
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		By: vicariousthrill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vicariousthrill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2017 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-1/#comment-1731599&quot;&gt;Harpoona Frittata&lt;/a&gt;.

I found it comforting, strangely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-1/#comment-1731599">Harpoona Frittata</a>.</p>
<p>I found it comforting, strangely.</p>
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		By: vicariousthrill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vicariousthrill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2017 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-1/#comment-1731669&quot;&gt;Andrea &#039;i-Betty&#039; Garner&lt;/a&gt;.

I loved it! it was wonderful. I especially liked the titters that went around freely. I would fit right in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-1/#comment-1731669">Andrea &#8216;i-Betty&#8217; Garner</a>.</p>
<p>I loved it! it was wonderful. I especially liked the titters that went around freely. I would fit right in.</p>
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		By: Princess Squishy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Princess Squishy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-1/#comment-1732003&quot;&gt;JJ&lt;/a&gt;.

it does sound like it is similar, I don&#039;t know if Sam is just another Character (I did a quick google and it looks like there is a Flat Sally too) or if Flat Sam and Flat Sally are kind of like knock offs. I only googled for a second.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-1/#comment-1732003">JJ</a>.</p>
<p>it does sound like it is similar, I don&#8217;t know if Sam is just another Character (I did a quick google and it looks like there is a Flat Sally too) or if Flat Sam and Flat Sally are kind of like knock offs. I only googled for a second.</p>
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		By: Joe Howard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2017 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-2/#comment-1732297&quot;&gt;Juicer77&lt;/a&gt;.

Everybody loved Pookie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-2/#comment-1732297">Juicer77</a>.</p>
<p>Everybody loved Pookie.</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2017 23:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-1/#comment-1732313&quot;&gt;villagedianne&lt;/a&gt;.

There are benefits to skiing. People enjoy it, and nothing is without risk. I&#039;m not suggesting banning that - in fact, I never suggested banning anything - you raised that idea. 

I&#039;m suggesting that when someone delays consulting a real doctor because their hopes have been raised by someone like Braco, whose claims are as nonsensical and unsupported as the claims made by Hubbard for dianetics, they are morally responsible for the harm done.

Marijuana is a drug whose sites of action have been scientifically studied fora very long time. It&#039;s legalisation for medical use was delayed for so long because of legal and social considerations. It never was &#039;alternative medicine&#039;. 

When I say &#039;alternative medicine&#039; I mean nonsense like homoeopathy, chiropractic, healing hands - none of which stand scientific examination (which is, after all, only a series of fair tests and procedures designed to insure we are not misled by our hopes and misconceptions). 

You are perfectly free to choose quack remedies over real, validated treatments - I hope you don&#039;t, if there is anything wrong with you, but you are free do so and I never suggested you should not be. 

Unfortunately, the evidence suggest that you are more likely to suffer or die if you treat yourself with &#039;alternative&#039; medicine, which has no more evidence to support it than dianetics. 

There isn&#039;t &#039;alternative&#039; and mainstream medicine. There is medicine that works, and medicine that doesn&#039;t . We know that it works by subjecting it to a fair test. Examination of the examples of &#039;alternative&#039; practices that I have given above just don&#039;t support their claims, and I find it astonishing that people are prepared to trust their lives to a &#039;healer&#039; on far less evidence that they would demand if they buying a cheap used car.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-1/#comment-1732313">villagedianne</a>.</p>
<p>There are benefits to skiing. People enjoy it, and nothing is without risk. I&#8217;m not suggesting banning that &#8211; in fact, I never suggested banning anything &#8211; you raised that idea. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m suggesting that when someone delays consulting a real doctor because their hopes have been raised by someone like Braco, whose claims are as nonsensical and unsupported as the claims made by Hubbard for dianetics, they are morally responsible for the harm done.</p>
<p>Marijuana is a drug whose sites of action have been scientifically studied fora very long time. It&#8217;s legalisation for medical use was delayed for so long because of legal and social considerations. It never was &#8216;alternative medicine&#8217;. </p>
<p>When I say &#8216;alternative medicine&#8217; I mean nonsense like homoeopathy, chiropractic, healing hands &#8211; none of which stand scientific examination (which is, after all, only a series of fair tests and procedures designed to insure we are not misled by our hopes and misconceptions). </p>
<p>You are perfectly free to choose quack remedies over real, validated treatments &#8211; I hope you don&#8217;t, if there is anything wrong with you, but you are free do so and I never suggested you should not be. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the evidence suggest that you are more likely to suffer or die if you treat yourself with &#8216;alternative&#8217; medicine, which has no more evidence to support it than dianetics. </p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t &#8216;alternative&#8217; and mainstream medicine. There is medicine that works, and medicine that doesn&#8217;t . We know that it works by subjecting it to a fair test. Examination of the examples of &#8216;alternative&#8217; practices that I have given above just don&#8217;t support their claims, and I find it astonishing that people are prepared to trust their lives to a &#8216;healer&#8217; on far less evidence that they would demand if they buying a cheap used car.</p>
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		By: Andrea 'i-Betty' Garner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea 'i-Betty' Garner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-1/#comment-1732273&quot;&gt;Douglas D. Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s like a brain massage, thank you :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2017/01/31/for-30-grand-or-so-scientology-will-let-you-into-its-shrine-to-l-ron-hubbard-heres-a-peek/comment-page-1/#comment-1732273">Douglas D. Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like a brain massage, thank you 🙂</p>
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