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CLAIM: ‘Frail’ looking Shelly Miscavige spotted near Scientology compound in California

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[Shelly Miscavige and the California compound where she’s being held]

For a few days, we have been communicating with a woman we’re going to call Rachel. We know Rachel’s real name, and a lot more about her besides. Everything she’s told us about herself and her husband has checked out. But because they fear retaliation for telling us what they know (and they say that it’s already happening, more about that below), we’ve agreed not to use their real names.

Rachel and her family live less than two miles from the Church of Spiritual Technology headquarters near Twin Peaks, California — the 33-acre super-secret compound where we believe Scientology leader David Miscavige has kept his wife Shelly stashed away for the last 11 years.

The small CST headquarters is in the mountains above Los Angeles and near Lake Arrowhead, California. It’s not to be confused with Scientology’s much larger 500-acre International Base about 50 miles away and near Hemet, where David Miscavige lives and where, in 2004, he created a notorious prison for his top executives that is known as “The Hole.”

In the late summer of 2005, eyewitnesses tell us, David Miscavige blew up over some minor changes that his wife Shelly made at Int Base while he was away. A week later, she vanished. Several different lines of evidence have convinced us that at that point she was moved to the CST headquarters, and she’s been living and working there ever since. Shelly was only seen in public one time since then, in the summer of 2007 when she was allowed to go to the funeral of her father in the presence of Scientology “handlers.”

 
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[A map showing Scientology’s Los Angeles headquarters known as PAC Base or “Big Blue,” the secretive Int Base near Hemet that is the location of “The Hole,” and the small CST headquarters in the mountains near Lake Arrowhead where we believe Shelly is being held.]

 
Rachel, who has lived her entire life in the area, tells us she was only vaguely aware of the odd CST parcel, and didn’t really know what it was for. “High school kids here like to drive by and flip off the cameras,” she says with a laugh.

Then, earlier this year, Rachel had to deal with a medical situation that required her to spend a lot of downtime taking medication. With time on her hands, she began watching a lot of Netflix and YouTube. And that’s how she stumbled on Leah Remini’s appearance on ABC’s 20/20 which had first aired the previous year, in October 2015.

In that appearance, Leah was promoting her book, Troublemaker, and 20/20’s Dan Harris asked her about the fateful 2006 wedding of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, when Leah first noticed that Shelly Miscavige was missing.

At that point in the program, ABC posted this image of Shelly…

 
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It was one of the photos of Shelly taken around the year 1990 by Claudio and Renata Lugli, who were Scientologists and personal tailors to the Miscaviges. In the photo, Shelly is modeling an outfit they had made for her. (We met the Luglis in Italy a few years ago and brought these photos back with us.)

Rachel says she was stunned. She called over her husband, and she says at that moment, they were “90 percent sure” that they had seen the woman before, on two different occasions in the nearby town of Crestline.

The first incident happened in the first week of December, 2015. Rachel says they were at Lake Drive Hardware, just a few blocks from Lake Gregory, picking up some Christmas trees that had been donated to the place where she works. Rachel’s work involves helping people recovering from alcohol and substance abuse problems, and she says it’s that background which made her take note when a woman walked into the store.

“She was a thin, smaller woman, escorted by two men,” Rachel says. “Disheveled. Almost like a drug addict, or like she was homeless.”

The woman, whom Rachel now believes was Shelly Miscavige, looked all of her 55 years, had long, stringy graying hair, and appeared “frail.”

The two men with her looked younger; Rachel estimates they were in their 30s. “They seemed to be leading her, like you would someone who was under the influence of drugs or alcohol. It was awkward.”

She apologized for not noticing more about the young men. “My attention was never on them. My attention was on her. This was what I do for a living, work with people who are in that kind of shape. And I had a thought that this woman was not supposed to be there. It was disturbing.”

Four months later, around April 2016, the same thing happened. This time, Rachel says she was at Goodwin & Sons Market, a few blocks away from the hardware store, when the same woman came in, again escorted by two younger men. The woman had the same kind of appearance as the previous time, but Rachel didn’t notice if it was the same two young men.

When Rachel later saw the 20/20 special while she was convalescing, she realized that the frail looking woman was Shelly Miscavige. She then began researching more about Scientology and who Shelly was.

Then, as Leah Remini’s new A&E series began to air recently, Rachel became determined to do something about her sighting, and she reached out to us.

By then, she had already made a trip to the CST compound with her husband. They had seen the drone footage we posted of the compound in September and they wanted to find out what they could see of the place from the ground.

They took a few photos, including this one…

 
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[In this map, the Crestline hardware shop and grocery store are highlighted. The CST headquarters, marked with a red star, is about two miles away.]

 
But as they did so, a truck emerged from behind a fence, and began following them as they made their way back to town. Since then, in the last few days, they have noticed people sitting in cars outside their home.

“Yesterday at the grocery store, some guy asked my husband for change and directions, then started asking him personal questions, about how long he had lived in the area, things like that. It was really weird,” she says.

We asked her to update us if she continues to see strange activity.

In the meantime, we called up Dylan Gill, the only former CST employee who has ever given press interviews, and whose story we first told in 2012.

Dylan told us that he’s been positive for years that Shelly Miscavige was being held at the CST headquarters. And when he worked there, he regularly was given time for buying supplies in town.

“I think it’s very possible that it was Shelly they saw, and if she had company, it’s because of who Shelly is,” he says. “I was pretty positive that she’s there, and this just confirms what we expected.”

In 2013, Leah Remini filed a missing person report about Shelly with the Los Angeles Police Department. The LAPD closed the case without ever giving Leah a formal response, and told reporters that the case was “unfounded.”

On Monday, Leah’s attorney, Douglas Mirell, filed a records request with the LAPD, asking it to explain how it closed the case and what investigation was done to make sure that it had checked on Shelly’s whereabouts.

Leah tells us that so far, she’s had no response to her new request.

Was it Shelly that Rachel and her husband spotted near the CST headquarters twice in the last year? At this point, we think her report is credible. And if that’s the case, our concern for Shelly Miscavige is even more acute.

Frail, disheveled, perhaps disoriented. Is Shelly Miscavige in need of help? And when is the LAPD, or any law enforcement agency, going to take her disappearance more seriously?

 
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[Shelly Miscavige and Leah Remini, circa 2004]

 
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Chris Shelton on Leah Remini’s A&E series

Says Chris about this video: “Leah Remini’s A&E show, Scientology and the Aftermath, is a tour-de-force of truth against the vicious and horrible lies that Scientology tells about its critics and what it does to its own members if they dare to buck its authority. In this episode, I lay out the five reasons that this show is far more important than just ‘another Scientology documentary’ and why everyone should be seeing it.”

 

 
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Go here to start making your plans.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on December 15, 2016 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
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GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

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  • Jeb Burton

    This is a huge story, if true and I bet it is. Wish she got a picture because Shelly won’t be leaving the compound anytime soon. Thanks Rachel.

    • DexterSka

      I wish I knew to keep an eye out for her. I used to live in that town.

      • A short video, or even a good still image, would change everything. Unfortunately, her tormentors know that, too. It’s possible that Shelly’s only contact with the outside world will soon be cut off.

        It’s a terrible situation. Those who trying to free her may make things worse before they get better.

        • DexterSka

          Not good

        • John Prince

          You really think Sheĺly’s in MORE Danger, now with the Media focus back in her direction?

          ..if it seems like a dumb question, remember i’m a “never-in”

          • So am I (a ‘never in’, that is).

            You have a an isolated man, completely out-of-touch with the world outside of Scientology. He as a nasty temper and absolute power who reacts most aggressively to personal threats (e.g. the possibility that he should be deposed or required to bear witness in court).

            He has used his power to exile his wife, and is apparently holding her in conditions of isolation and control which amount to psychological torture. He did this as part of a campaign to decimate the top management of Scientology, taking all power into his hands, and reducing them to impotent scapegoats.

            If the abusive and likely illegal way he has treated Shelly comes to light, he cannot feasibly pass the buck. He has recently built himself up as the man who personally supervises every aspect of Scientology.

            If Shelly is spotted outside of the compound, and that leads to press attention being directed to her condition, that is likely to result in a reprimand for the people who ‘allowed’ this to happen and a prohibition on future outings.

            As I have said elsewhere, I knew someone who worked for the UK Prison Service. Inmates (grown up, hard men) would compete for and plead for assignments that took them out of the building and gave them a brief view of the sky. Isolation does that to people.

            Now this relief may be denied her, and the control might become tighter. You might even wonder if the recent drone flyover has kept her indoors.

            This situation is substantially the same moral dilemma faced by people who have to deal with hostage-takers. If they don’t comply with demands, people will get hurt. If they do comply, it’s open season on everyone vulnerable to kidnapping. The only rational choice is never to pay a ransom.

            Similarly, if you report on this story, Shelly’s situation might become even more onerous. If you don’t, you are ignoring an opportunity to draw attention the plight of very many other people suffering this kind of high-control environment. The only rational choice is to publish.

            • John Prince

              I’m afraid your imagination is Not running away with you, Now. .but I DO feel a Super-Wog sense of urgency, of anticipation shared by Many that this story is climaxing NOW, I ‘ll hope the end of the Tale of Shelly’s “disappearance” is a happy end for her. .that she’s healthy of mind and body and is truly capable of making her own Choices of where and how she wants to live. ..

              And I’ll hope she’s ready after 11 yrs. of solitary, to unleash a Woman’s Scorn on captain pissypants!

            • I would like this to be so.

              However, I think it’s more likely that she’s been broken to the extent that she actually ‘loves Big Brother’ and, if she ever did escape, would require a lifetime of support and counselling.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: Of Inhuman Bondage

    LilFiveOne, such an ignorant putz,
    A spineless bully who’s got no guts,
    Peddling Hubbard’s drivel,
    Watching his cult shrivel
    Since Leah’s done chopped off his nuts

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c464849d29e9a908a44b8b1924d8ce13e59f4530076c5b43cd61edf9933fd7a8.jpg

    • joan nieman

      Good one Pan!

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Damn!!! I’ll leave the words to Pan, I have none that describe me just sitting here with my mouth open.

    C’mon LAPD!! Get it together!

    • Ella Raitch

      My mouth came open and a rude word quietly slipped out……..

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Girlllll yes! Tony has told us she’s alive and I always believed him but it’s good to know someone has actually laid eyes on her. Now my concern for her mental/physical state grows.

        *kicks the LAPD desk* Wake up fuckboyz!!!

        • Ella Raitch

          My mind went straight to Barbara Cordova Oliver and the ‘proof of life’ photos.
          Seriously creeped out.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Yeah, those pics were beyond fucked up.

            “We’re a church. Here’s some hostage photos for you” SMFH

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          They went into damage control as of 24 minutes ago.

          • PickAnotherID

            Too late.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Yep, but I hope they catch them in the cover-up that is sure to be attempted.

        • joan nieman

          I will hold your earrings Nola.

      • Interested2

        Not so quietly.

        • Draco

          Ditto

        • Ella Raitch

          It came out like:
          f a a a a a a a a a a a r k…….

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Tony, I dearly hope this is the kick in the ass the media and law enforcement have needed to now get off their cushy scientology paid for leather loungers and help this woman.

    It’s a credible report and an eyewitness account of possible elder abuse. Sheriffs and FBI need to get cracking.

    ETA: The feds need to interview her without the “Two Young Men” or her ‘husband’ present.

  • Ella Raitch
  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    It’s even more important now that the LAPD take Leah’s request for action seriously. It’s horrible to picture Shelly in such a desperate situation, left to rot by her husband away from anyone who might care for her. Well Leah does care.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Needs to NOT be the LAPD but some other agency without ties to scientology. LAPD will try to assert jurisdiction, but if she IS in terrible abused shape, then their whole earlier report will be exposed for a sham and scientology orchestrated lie. You can’t depend on what they will say or do.

      • Robert Eckert

        Riverside County has also been the target of safepointing attempts. Marc Headley and dagobarbz have encountered helpful, and unhelpful, law enforcement out there.

        • chukicita

          Keith Henson was charged there for ‘interfering with a religion’ after one of his pickets. He was literally and reasonably afraid he would not survive jail time in Riverside County.

      • Noesis

        Because of the open court testimony of Debbie Cook there may be reason to believe that a culture of institutional / organizational abuse exists in parts of Scientology (specifically at INT.) It is also a reasonable extension of that reasonable belief that a similar culture of institutional / organizational abuse may exist at CST and perhaps other church properties in the state of California.

        Elder Abuse statutes in CA usually apply to persons over the age of 65 (like Heber) but may be applicable in certain circumstances to anyone aged 18 to 64 if they fall under the legal definition of a “dependent” adult (such as someone unable to handle their own affairs or in need of constant supervision / care.)

        California Welfare and Institutions Code § 15610.23 defines a “Dependent adult”

        (a) “Dependent adult” means any person between the ages of 18 and 64 years who resides [in California] and who has physical or mental limitations that restrict his or her ability to carry out normal activities or to protect his or her rights, including, but not limited to, persons who have physical or developmental disabilities, or whose physical or mental abilities have diminished because of age.”

        ….

        “Elder Abuse can involve physical violence, psychological abuse, isolation, abandonment, abduction, false imprisonment or a caregiver’s neglect. It could also involve the unlawful taking of a senior’s money or property.”

        On the basis of the above and provided that video / photographs of the person believed to be Shelly might lead a reasonable person to believe that she falls within the definition of a “dependent person” in the State of CA, then action under the code might be brought by Adult Protective Services, and (can) be brought outside the control of the LAPD or the LASD if an approach is made via the Office of the CA AG.

        For those that care:

        http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Public/Pamphlets/ElderAbuse.aspx#1

        http://www.courts.ca.gov/documents/ElderAbusePDoc.pdf

        • SP Wannabe

          I didn’t know of this. So well stated and cited. I hope Leah knows or learns of this.

    • PickAnotherID

      If Shelly’s being kept drugged and under control, it might be time for the FBI to pay a visit. Possible kidnapping falls under Federal jurisdiction, even within a state.

      • Robert Eckert

        Kidnapping is only a federal matter if across state lines, on an Indian reservation, or national park etc.

        • PickAnotherID

          Or a Federal employee, whether taken across state lines or not. Crap! Hoped there was an option besides LAPD.

          • Robert Eckert

            Riverside County actually has jurisdiction. It’s just not necessarily an improvement over LA.

  • Chee Chalker

    To be sung to the tune of ‘Free Nelson Mandela’

    Free Shelly Miscavige
    Free free free Shelly Miscavige

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AgcTvoWjZJU

    • stanrogers

      Nice, but I’ve always loved Asimbonanga (Mandela) by Johnny Clegg and Savuka. It was especially nice to see Mandela join them on stage during the performance of the song after his release:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGS7SpI7obY

  • stillgrace2

    “Frail, disheveled, perhaps disoriented.” Oh, this is SO not good. Crap. In my naivety, I hoped at least she had some quality of life. Something must be done. Thank you, Rachel, Leah and Tony.

  • madge filpot

    OT: Well dang.. Tuesday’s A&E episode STILL locked. Grrrrrrrrrrrr.
    RE: above story about the possible Shelly sighting…sure doesn’t sound good. Like they have her drugged up. LAPD need to get on it for real. Or some other agency.. Elder abuse.. or kidnapping? That’s a federal Offense, yes? FBI? NCIS? 007? lol.. seriously though.. this being aired on the Bunker could mean bug trouble for Shelly. They won’t let her out now for sure..I hate to say that I see shades of Lisa McPherson happening.. but it doesn’t sound good at all.

  • PickAnotherID

    That description of Shelly gives me flashbacks to the way Lisa McPherson was drugged in an attempt to keep her docile. It also makes me think if LAPD did go out there, no way was she allowed to talk to them alone. Grrrrrrrrr!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Oh Jesus, I’m trying to not let my mind wander to all the scenarios that could be playing out up there. None of them are good. I am SO glad Leah sicked her shark on the LAPD.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I’m hoping that some resources have been pre-positioned.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Me too. I think with the team of SP’s Leah has at her reach, they’ll happen fast if they’re not ready now.

    • DexterSka

      I feel sorry for her, she’s like an abused animal that has been in captivity too long.

  • Science Doc

    Some businesses archive their security camera footage for months….

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      ^^^^^^

    • PickAnotherID

      Now there’s a thought. Especially the market.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Just wanted to add. We keep our footage for a year. Some we’ve burned and kept longer depending on what was there. Excellent idea Doc. 👍

      • PickAnotherID

        If the cops aren’t interested in the possibility, maybe A&E would be.

        • UhLasare

          Or Tony 🙂

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I sure hope so.

          P.S. I’ve been following Michael Wood Jr. on Twitter and I’m loving how everyone is getting organized. I still feel the same way I did the day you got back…just straight up relief. Our Vets are here. 🙂

    • Draco

      Ooooh….

  • Interested2

    How, if this is Shelly, are they going to make her look well again? Force feed her like a duck or like Lisa ?

    • Ella Raitch

      You can feed and rest the body but nothing can make the mind spring back

      • Sine qua non

        Well, the mind may not spring back, but it may slowly COME back, eventually, in a safe and nurturing environment where the body is fed as well. Certainly that is not the situation Shelly is in now. I pray this changes soon. So horribly sad and frustrating.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I get the distinct feeling that some things are going to be happening really really fast.

    • Ella Raitch

      From your lips…..and all that…

      • TheMirrorThetan

        …To Xenu’s ears.

    • PickAnotherID
      • Draco
      • April

        And here I’m wondering, where’s my Picard “Make it so” gif when I need it?

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
          • April

            You’re fucking awesome, you know that?!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Thank you honey but really….I’m not so much. Here’s a little secret for you:

              Go to giphy.com and type in whatever you’re looking for. ; )

            • Jo Ann Morgan

              Ok, YOU just made my day! Thank you!!!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              You’re welcome. There are some fantastic Bunkeroos that have taught me some very cool things. Always happy to share that stuff. ; )

            • Jo Ann Morgan

              I read this blog everyday (like you I was never in) and like reading your comments…I love what a champion of support you are for those hurt by this cult!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Honey, I’m still learning things. The people that blazed the path for us to speak out were/are some brave ass people. Some of them are here with us still today. I speak out as much as I can but I know whose shoulders I stand on. I’m a proud member of their peanut gallery. 😀

    • UhLasare

      Let it be so!

  • Sunny

    Sadly it wouldn’t surprise me if she were being punished for “pulling in” all this media attention. A common punishment in the Sea Org is food and sleep deprivation.

    • April

      🙁

    • DexterSka

      After she writes down all of her withholds of course.

    • LeeAnneClark

      I commented elsewhere that I have no doubt that she will suffer because of this. Which is tragic…in order to try to save her, we have to make her suffer first. I just hope that in the end she is freed, so that the suffering she is going through now will be worth it.

      But I can’t help but worry that all of these efforts will come to naught. I have no doubt that, should she be set free, what she knows about Scientology and Ratscavige will completely and utterly destroy the church, and him. Given the massive resources at their disposal, they will move heaven and earth to keep her hidden.

      This is one of the most tragic stories in Scientology. And we don’t even know what’s really happening. Yet. (One can hope we find out someday..)

  • BosonStark

    Assuming the sighting reports are true, and trying to put myself in Miscavige’s place, thinking of the lengths he might go, and if Shelly were at all resistant to being exiled, he could have taken measures to make sure Shelly deteriorated mentally and physically. In other words, he could have accelerated her deterioration, so at the time she was first exiled, he could have used her health as an excuse then also.

    So then if the wall around her is breached, so to speak, he could claim she’s in poor health and needed to get rest, peace and quiet, and be taken care of. The problem would be in involving others in this plot.

    My #1 guess — and this doesn’t make it any more likely than others, except to me — is that Shelly snapped at the time she reorganized the org board, and did something she wasn’t supposed to do on her own about renovating his quarters. She did it because she’d had enough, and knew this would drive her husband ballistic. She may have been fed up with the way he was treating her, attention he was giving to other women, or his obsession with Tom Cruise.

    So she agrees to be exiled, but the isolation ends up not doing her any good, and she just deteriorates mentally and physically. She was used to being in a hive of activity from the time she was on Hubbard’s ship, and thinking of herself as important.

    However, one piece of information which is a little lacking for this theory was that I don’t think there were that many stories confirming that Shelly was at a breaking point at that time, exhibiting really odd behavior different from her usual, that she would do something as bizarre as she did. I do not believe the theory that Shelly rearranged the org board, assigned jobs, thinking it would please him, because she knew he’d been blocked in what to do about it and she was just trying to be helpful. It’s a remote possibility, I guess.

    • Ella Raitch

      She did ask Mike Rinder about whether DM was wearing his platinum or gold wedding ring

      At about this time, Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder arrived at Int Base after visiting Miscavige in Los Angeles. He was immediately cornered by Shelly as soon as he arrived.

      “She took me to the back patio of the RTC building, which is really isolated. There was no one around,” Rinder tells us. “She asked me, ‘When you saw him, was Dave wearing his gold or platinum wedding ring?’”

      Rinder says he thinks she knew it would have been too much of a giveaway to simply ask if Miscavige was wearing a ring at all, which is why she asked it that way. Rinder had no idea if Miscavige actually had more than one version of his wedding ring.

      “Oh, you know, I didn’t notice,” he told her.

      “The question was so out of the blue, and so bizarre,” he tells us. “I knew that she was in deep shit. She was worried that he was going to abandon her.”

      http://tonyortega.org/2015/09/07/ten-years-gone-shelly-miscavige-the-wife-scientologys-leader-wants-us-to-forget/

      • BosonStark

        Yeah, that’s odd. But it doesn’t constitute behavior which would suggest she was at a breaking point, and willing to do something which she knew might be life-changing for her. Who knows, though, he could have given her some kind of ultimatum no one knows about.

    • I would go for the “remote possibility” because, in that situation, I can’t see how anyone could be ‘resistant’ to anything for long.

      Back before Shelly disappeared, Miscavige was evidently engaged in a concerted campaign to make every else with any power impotent and, what’s more, to destroy their morale.

      Shelly has be characterised as a kind of diplomat, trying to smooth over the worst consequences of her husband’s behaviour. That may sound strange but, even in extreme social situations like that, some people exploit the opportunity for abuse and others do what they can to ameliorate it.

      Miscavige deliberately made that ridiculous ‘org board’ an issue, demanding that other ‘executives’ fix it while, at the same time, making this impossible to achieve. His purpose was likely to draw all power to himself.

      I think it’s in character for Shelly to try to resolve the situation and also possible that this was exactly what Miscavige was waiting for – an excuse to exile her. Why he should go though such an elaborate procedure when he had the power to order this in any case is the only question – perhaps to justify his actions to himself.

      Other evidence (the wedding ring incident that Ell Raitch describes above) suggests that he was winding up to ‘offload’ his wife in any case, and may have seen this as an ideal opportunity.

      In the end, we have to remember that we are talking about a paranoid man whose only significant life experience has been learning how to maintain absolute power over an isolated, artificial, malign social situation. It’s next to impossible to understand his behaviour from the outside.

      The way people behave in that pressure-cooker is already crazy enough – we don’t need to look for sufficient reason, or motive for an action as we are used to doing in the wider world. Inside a Scientology compound no justification is required, and people will comply.

  • chukicita

    In 11 years, someone who could possibly be Shelly has been seen twice. Once a year ago this week, and then 4 months later. Both times *after* Leah’s missing person or wellness check call.

    Could this be Scn, Inc. trying to cover its ass?

    “Shelly gets out regularly and goes into town. Don’t you, Shelly?”

    Thanks, Rachel, and not just for stepping forward with what you observed, but for the important daily work you do to help others.

    • downtherabbithole

      And her concern ends with people sitting in cars in front of her home. How freaking crazy is that.

      • PickAnotherID

        It wouldn’t be $cientology without creepy people hanging about…

        • downtherabbithole

          Not only creepy but damn stupid. Your in a grocery store and ask another customer for change. What the grocery store tills are empty – sigh…..

      • DexterSka

        Nothing to see here, here are some pictures of your kids playing that we took while following them.

      • chukicita

        Paranoia runs deep.

    • BosonStark

      I wouldn’t put it beyond Miscavige to hire a Shelly lookalike to be escorted around the little town, but if he did that, wouldn’t he pick one in better condition, and maybe let the people with her say her name loudly or something?

  • Draco

    A bit OT and maybe someone has already posted this. JT: As long as I and my family can still do scientology – I’m happy.
    Well then, John. That’s all that matters, is it? Shame on you.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOLSQT5ctjE

    • Ella Raitch

      He might want to word clear ‘zeitgeist’

      • Draco

        At least some reporters are starting to ask questions. However, a little follow up question like “Oh, so as long as YOU can carry on doing scn, it doesn’t matter that people are being abused, raped, families destroyed and torn apart, made bankrupt etc? Does it ever cross your mind that you might be given special treatment because of who you are?”

        • Tracy Schmitz

          the BEYOND obvious follow up question!

      • daisy

        Yeah ! -oops I had to too.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        you think travolta even knows how to spell zeitgeist? kind of like cruise never heard or knows how to spell the word svengali (in relation to dm!)..

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Yeah John, that’s all that matters. *eyeroll*

      The hell with all those poor broken souls who’ve lost their families, their money or their lives. You’re happy!! Whooptyfuckingdoo! 🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼

      • John Prince

        we need to turn YOU loose on cruise, travolta, alley & any other maggots who dare to call themselves “scio-celebrities these days!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Nah, they just need to wake the fuck up. I hardly read about the celebs anymore unless they’ve left. My concern is with the people that this organization still has the power to destroy. Needless to say I’m giddy about Leah’s series. 🙂 Holy Xenu I hope the Feds are watching.

          • John Prince

            we’re ALL giddy here, and getting giddier by the Hour. .did you catch my last update for tc the wonderboy ? I love poopin’ on scio-celebs!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              LOL No, I missed that. I’m multi-tasking over here. You hit him on Twitter or here?

            • John Prince

              Here, the only place I post

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Just saw it. It’s too bad the Big Being isn’t allowed to read this bitter, defrocked, SP website. 😀 So much for confront & shatter.

            • John Prince

              My thinking exactly “cryin shame mr. i do my own stunts won’t strap himself in an ejector-seat in front of a t.v. screen and watch his beautiful religion go down in flames “

      • Tracy Schmitz

        oh, but don’t be too hard on john, he’s a nice guy and a gentle soul who lost his son, and is “trapped” in scientology and BLAH, BLAH, BLAH! whatever! not a shred of empathy do i have for him, none! go down with the ship i say…..

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Everyone losses someone at sometime. He’s in a bubble thinking he’s the only one and that scio has his only answers. I’m sure he has no real friends outside of the cult.

          • Tracy Schmitz

            bubble? more like the worlds’ BIGGEST BALLOON! he and cruise! in fact, so much they shouldn’t be walking the streets if they live in that much of a balloon or that quote “brainwashed” (which both is baloney!)..

    • Narapoid

      “As long as I still get to do it and my family gets to do it I’m happy.”

      That is A OK JT. No one at the Bunker minds you auditing and coursing and hoorahing LRH.

      It is when families are wrecked, lives destroyed and ugly self-serving pressure is brought to bear on “the little people” you don’t care enough about to make certain are not being abused, that is what bothers the critics if your cult.

      And after Captain Miscavige and his top henchmen are jailed or just gone, you can still “do it”.

    • Graham

      “They’ve never left my side”. And that’s never struck you as being a tiny bit sinister John?

      • Tracy Schmitz

        EXACTLY! gee, i wonder why nothing ever bad has happened to me or i’ve never seen anything bad either? gee, isn’t it interesting how they are “at my side” always, my “religion” and their “handlers”? COME ON! no one is that damn dense!… just like cruise, allowing handlers and people from his religion to come and go in his OWN HOMES? who does that? what person allows ANYONE from ANY religion/church/faith to not only “handle” them, but to come and go inside their OWN HOMES?! their PRIVATE lives? their PRIVATE homes?… and think this is quote “normal”???? …

      • Mark Foster

        I hear ya, bro, but…I have to interject that…when you are drinking the kool-aid, and you really believe in “the tech” , it does NOT seem sinister. If your scientological mental machinery hiccups and you, for a fleeting moment or moments, entertain that thought, you, yourself, quickly shut it down…or ” handle it” with more courses, more “TR’s”, more auditing and sec checks. After all, “doubt”, when it involves doubting scientology or its organization or its leaders, is considered a ” lower ethics condition”. The phrase ” prison of belief” is so appropriate. With every step on the scientology ” bridge”, THAT is what one is erecting. Reading the literature on undue influence and survivors of various kinds of chronic abuse really helps one understand Travolta’s response, I believe.

        • Graham

          Thanks Mark.

          What you’ve written, and what Nora Crest said yesterday in her video, helps me realise how powerful is the ‘lock in’ of Scientology training and auditing, along with the threats of sec checks and more financial drain.

          Leah’s latest also gave me a new insight into this: studying [ie subjecting yourself to your own self-hypnosis] for ten hours a day for weeks to complete a course (Whilst still trying to hold onto a job). I hadn’t appreciated how relentless it is. And I suppose the more cash, time, sweat and tears you invest the more incentive you have to keep on the straight path and not to dare even glance to either side. In normal circumstances I’d admire anyone who showed that much tenacity and dedication.

          For Travolta, as someone pointed out yesterday, there may be the added factor of being genuinely rich and famous. Perhaps they don’t live lives like us, and are used to maids, secretaries, gardeners, advisers, butlers etc etc wandering in and out and always being around.

          And speaking of wandering in and out, where have you been lately? Not seen you around, unless we are on different Bunker ‘shifts’?

          • Mark Foster

            Been away for a while, just popped in the last few days…
            Undue influence is apparent in cults, churches,armies, intelligence services, political parties, in the way mainstream mass media operates…It’s a huge subject, eh?
            Good point about Travolta and other wealthy members: they are even more insulated and isolated from the kinds of financial pressures the average cult members deal with, though they, too, are poisoned by the toxic effects of scientology.

      • Draco

        Obviously not.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      AND THAT ALL THAT MATTERS! IT’S ALL ABOUT HIM! IF HE TRULY TRULY believes that then he deserves to go down with the ship too! narcissism at it’s finest… of course, this interviewer should have easily followed up with “but what about all those people in leah’s docuseries who are being abused financially, emotionally, physically and their claims? countless people! for YEARS!…

    • John Prince

      Not too OT. .a little bit unbelievable that “vinnie” would say such a thing in front of a News çamera 👎with the Heat that’s on co$ these Days! What f#@king Planet is this Egoistic turd living on?

      Good to see puff-reporters asking pertinant questions at least !

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Wow, sad news on Shelly.

    If she’s being allowed time to go to town to buy stuff and goes with two people acting as her watches, and she’s looking like she’s described as looking, then she’s not in a good mind.

    She’s gonna lose her privelege to go to town now that this blog article has appeared.

    Thanks so much to neighbors who take notice of all the CST staffers who interact there in the community.

    It’s just a given that CST staff and any of the elite top Scientology Int people who get to go to CST will have to get out to neighboring establishments.

    Boy, this would mean Shelly’s on lots of business’ video footage depending on which stores and gas stations she has frequented.

    She’s on camera in any of the establishments in Creston which she’s visited over the years for sure, if this is Shelly. I agree with Dylan, in fact years ago, when she disappeared, I deduced she’d go to CST, since that is a long ago earlier pattern of having elite top members do the upkeep of LRH’s legacy materials (the two earlier similar I witnessed, Robin Lindsell being the LRH photography negatives In Charge, and after her RPF when Annie Broeker then became that similar posting in F & E branch overseeing LRH’s photography, and even my long ago RPF twin Clark Morton when he was busted he did that LRH photo negative position).

    Shelly is unprecedented in being the most in the know elite person in recent years, wife of DM, to be busted, so CST is the ultimate fit for where to send her when she needed corrective retreat “handling”, and put her to work on the most elite LRH materials that exist, the CST originals and CST stuff at the mother CST site. Close enough to DM, and doing top of the line fiddle work with LRH’s stuff. She’s like Mary Sue was to LRH, but to David Miscavige. (Mary Sue’s entourage in Mary Sue’s last years, were all Sea Org caretaker people.)

    Scientology’s top of the movement personnel live drastically restrained lives, and I really appreciate this news so that neighbors can empathize with these dreadfully unwittingly mentally restrained inviduals stuck in the top ranks of Scientology.

    Thankyou so much neighbor who takes notice there near CST and Creston!

    • LeeAnneClark

      Reading this made me sad, because I expect you’re right – Shelly is going to suffer because of this article.

      But the article, and all other attention given to this (e.g. Leah’s efforts to get answers from the LAPD) are necessary if Shelly is ever going to be freed.

      What a conundrum. In order to help Shelly, we have to hurt her first. I just hope that in the end she is freed. Not just for her, but also because I’m quite sure that once she is freed, what she knows and reveals about DM and Scientology will blow the cherch wide open. Which, of course, means that they will move heaven and earth to ensure she never IS freed.

  • Observer

    The LAPD will take her disappearance more seriously when all the corrupt cops and brass are kicked to the curb.

    • Peter

      Obs, PLEASE don’t hold your breath waiting for that to occur!!!

      • Observer

        Oh, I’m not. I am hoping the publicity might stir something up, though. Like maybe a DoJ investigation of the LAPD and that glib Andre “Classified!” Dawson.

  • kemist

    As I suspected. That’s why he does not want to produce her, or even show her on video. She’s too far gone for them to be able to make her appear healthy or sane.

    • Observer

      Mere seclusion wouldn’t do that to a person. If that is Shelly, I can’t–don’t want to–imagine what she’s been through.

      • kemist

        Nope.

        I’m thinking The Hole, v.2.0. I wonder if other people are being held there.

      • “false purpose rundown” day in, day out? Let’s hope not…

        • mockingbird

          Horrifying.

      • With respect, 10 years of social isolation can do that to a vulnerable person.

        What’s more, she is surrounded by people whose job is to keep her under control. Eroding a person’s self-esteem is a good way to do this. Some psychologically resilient individuals may to able to endure this, but we are talking about a person who has spent their life in Scientology and taught to believe that they have brought any misfortune upon themselves.

        She was pre-broken.

        As in the terrible case of Lisa McPherson, the person who have control over Shelly also feel themselves perfectly justified in doing whatever it takes to follow their orders.

        Finally, we don’t know what Miscavige’s orders are. Even if there is no malice involved (unlikely) the kind of control he will demand over a person who could do him serious damage is going to be onerous in and of itself.

        Psychological torture can be much more effective than the physical version, and that kind of isolation is psychological torture.

        • Observer

          As an introvert, 10 years of seclusion (minus Scientology and force) sounds like my idea of paradise. As Mr Observer reminds me, not everyone thinks like me I do. Thanks for the alternate viewpoint.

          • I’m about as introverted as you can get, happy with solitude as long as I have something with which to occupy my mind. However, I doubt Shelly even has that.

            The fact that there is a Mr Observer confirms that even introverts need companionship for a fulfilling life.

            • Observer

              I was happy and fulfilled alone, but he is so hilarious and smart that I couldn’t resist him. 😍

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Awwww. That’s sweet, Obs.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Rachel,

    Thank you for your bravery. I know the people suddenly watching, asking weird questions, etc. is probably freaking you out, as it would most people. Just know that is their game and they like to use it to intimidate people. Don’t be intimidated, you did nothing wrong and if they cross the line, call the cops. They are above NO laws. Thank you for talking to Tony, this information is so important. If there is anything you need, we are here.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      ^^^^ This.

    • Volunteer SP

      Rachel,

      Yes, Thank-you!!

      With regards to the suspicious cars sitting out by your house I would get pictures of them, including the tags and occupants and report them to the police for starters.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      What she said ^^^! We are here for you and thank you SO much for getting the word out so we can all make enough noise, echoing Leah and get someone out there to help Shelly!

  • Peter

    Shelly will probably no longer make the trip outside the compound. This report pretty much seals that. I think the words, though, that doomed her from the beginning were “I do.”

  • PickAnotherID

    Can we get the news trucks, with their long lens, camped out around CST HQ before 2pm today???

  • Ron Schmidt

    If anyone is looking for the link to $cientology and the Aftermath episode 3 I was able to find this link from a MSN/bing search https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=scientology+and+the+aftermath&qpvt=scientology+and+the+aftermath&view=detail&mid=9685F21A722B62B76B629685F21A722B62B76B62&FORM=VRDGAR

  • Username

    It’s scarey to know that in America today, with all our laws and technology, you can be held against your will and abused, in the name of religious freedom. An important lesson I will teach my child when the time is right. Something needs to be done about it.

    • FredEX2

      I believe that if this were any other religion they would not get by with this or all the other things they do if it came to light. Shame on those in law enforcement who have chosen having their egos flattered and pandered to by a wealthy criminal cult…instead of doing the right things under the law and stopping the crimes of this evil entity.

      And shame on all those who participate in carrying out Miscavige’s evil schemes.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        here here, i also believe if they weren’t sitting on 3 billion dollars and infiltrated various organizations including authorities at some level or another, they would have long, long been gone…. i tend to think that until the day scientology goes all “waco” on the public or a government building or government person, who knows if and when scientology will ever be closed down at least by outside entities..

      • Username

        Well said. Yeah… and where is Travola and Cruise, Beck, Rabisi….and the whole lot of them…. why aren’t they concerned for their “friend”. Why aren’t they asking why someone has just disappeared and do something about it? Cowards and hypocrites!

    • Tracy Schmitz

      religious freedom seemingly trumps EVERYTHING.. some will say the 2nd amendment too…

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Thank you Rachel for reaching out to Tony, and for your report. Look after yourself but
    Please don’t let the arseholes upset and stress you if you can, it is what they want . Their power is dwindling with every voice that speaks out. Don’t hesitate to call the police if you need to.

    • Username

      …And take videos of them taking videos of you.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Going back to bed. Crossing my fingers this story by Tony brings a happy result for Shelly. Night.

  • Xenu’s son.

    Episode 3 picking up coverage to on top of the previous coverage:

    https://thefederalist.com/2016/12/13/testimony-of-defectors-scientology-implode/Could The Testimony of Defectors Cause Scientology To Implode?

    RollingStone.com 5 Things We Learned From ‘Scientology and the Aftermath,’ Episode 3

    USA TODAY – ‎Dec 13, 2016‎:Leah Remini: Scientology’: Former member says she lost son, ‘hundreds of thousands’

  • Xenu’s son.

    The new Leah Remini reality show on A&E appears to have found its happy place in the ratings.

    After a huge debut, the new show saw a big decline last week.

    But Tuesday night it steadied, posting a rating even with last week.

    “Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath” averaged a 0.5 adults 18-49 rating, according to Nielsen overnights, the same as its second episode.

    It bowed to a 0.8 two weeks ago.

    Among total viewers, the show fell slightly, posting 1.46 million compared to 1.58 million the previous week.

    The show premiered with 2.1 million and marked A&E’s top debut in two years.
    http://www.medialifemagazine.com/cable-overnights-leah-remini-show-steadies-dip/

    • madame duran

      A big decline? Then please explain how a show with 2.1 million viewers for its debut and 2.7 million viewers for its second episode is faltering.

      https://twitter.com/LeahRemini/status/808789118679334913

      • Robert Eckert

        Not everybody watches at the Tuesday evening first showings, so minor fluctuations in the Tuesday numbers don’t mean anything.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Free Shelly, Dave. Being married to a turd like yourself is punishment enough for anyone.
    You’re a dickless wonder of a man, who doesn’t amount to a dog’s arsehole.

    • Ella Raitch

      Pan has his poetic style, and you have yours, don’t you precious xx

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I do my best. But I am not in Pan’s league.
        I love putting the boot into a bully. I find it therapeutic. 😃

        • Ella Raitch

          I love it when you talk dirty

          • TheMirrorThetan

            Ella, you big flirt. 😀

    • If he has reduced her to the kind of state indicated today, he can’t free her. Having the kind of distorted personality he does, he will react against any pressure to do so.

      If she does recover her freedom, it will be against his will.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      but he’s the most generous, competent, intelligent leader i know, he’s the leader of leaders and i’ve met them all! per tc…

  • Libertylover

    Any security camera footage at the hardware store where Shelly might have been ?
    Probably a long shot, but they might still have it.

    • Jeb Burton

      I bet if a certain investigating reporter with a crisp $100 bill went in and ask to look through their surveillance video? I don’t know anybody like that though. Or if it’s legal.

      • Libertylover

        Depends who owns the store. If it’s an independent single owner, they might be happy to give it up.
        My sons IPad was stolen at a small store and the owner let me go through all the footage, we got the woman who stole it and then her plate number. I called the police and they went to her house and got it back.
        The police told me that they wouldn’t likely have let me do that if it had been a chain store.

  • Jeb Burton

    I’m curious if the handler’s wear the Scientology outfit. You know blue pants, button down white shirt. Maybe Rachel could remember that. Or do the people on these compounds have to wear the uniform?

    • DexterSka

      I bet they dress in the CLO uniform, with the blue pants, white shirt, dark blue tie and the North Face jackets.

  • George M. White

    Much thanks to the brave folks out in California for the picture of the secret compound.

  • Ah man, the LAPD was getting ready to 10 day reply to Leah Remini’s information request, and now they probably have to reconsider how they’re going to answer those questions.

  • BosonStark

    Shelly was in the hardware store buying gifts for her husband, duct tape and some finger snippers.

  • PickAnotherID

    Don’t forget to check out Chris’s commentary above on Leah’s show. He makes some excellent points on why the show is so important for getting through to the general public at a basic level.

  • DexterSka

    I lived in Crestline in High School. Love that town quite a bit. Most Sciwntologists I know seem to consider it remote, but considering that I live in Maine now I find that laughable. I know all the locations they described in this article. It’s sad that the poor woman lives like this. I’m also sad that I didn’t know to keep my eyes open for Shelly when I lived there. Now she won’t be allowed outside maybe.

  • OOkpik

    Rachel, thank you for your courage, and your report. They may well be instrumental in helping to spring Shelly from a very bad situation.

    I’m sorry you are being harassed. Unfortunately, it’s what Scientologists do when they don’t approve of something. Keeping records of unusual occurrences and letting family, friends, neighbors and co-workers know what’s going on, is a good idea.

    Thank you also for your work with people who have succumbed to addiction. Bless you! ((Hugs))

    • Susan black

      And be mindful that they might be picking up your garbage and prying into other parts of your life.

  • Bavarian Rage

    SCORE! Thank you, Chris! I was 5 min. into today’s video, when Mr. Rage wanders into the room, asks me to pause, and says, “Have you watched that series yet? As a ‘bonding thing’ I might watch it with you ’cause I like documentaries.” To underscore the significance of this, this is the same Mr. Rage who, some time ago firmly told me not to read another story of Scientology abuse because it angers him so much and he can’t do anything about it. Now I just need to find where we can watch these episodes online in Canada.

    ETA: read another story “to him aloud”…Mr. Rage is a good man, with a sensitive heart.

    • DoveAlexa

      Wait, let me get this straight, he told you that you could not read anymore Sci stuff? Or do you read all these out loud to him while he hides under your bed trying to escape?

      • Bavarian Rage

        Sorry I never made that clear. I can follow Scientology to my heart’s content; just not read the painful stories aloud to him. I respect that. Each to his/her own.

        • DoveAlexa

          So he did he used to bring snacks under the bed back then? Some of these articles are really long.

    • MarcabExpat

      If you can’t find a good online link, it’s very inexpensive on iTunes! A lot of the free options are not just low quality, but edited down from nearly 50 minutes to only half an hour. And trust me, they make every moment onscreen count, you don’t want to miss a word.

    • madame duran
      • Unex Skcus

        Thanx!

  • Narapoid

    Here is what Mike Rinder had to say about Shelly 3 years ago. http://www.mikerindersblog.org/shelly-miscavige-why-she-stays/ Two words: Black Dianetics. Little girl lost. f5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca1c7e9887ea9ab0928bceec05128b816b0afe5f2c5b4978c223884feed11174.jpg

    • Ella Raitch

      I just want to bundle up that little girl and get her out of there

      • Narapoid

        Me too, but we are 40 years outta time. 🙁

      • LongtimeLurker

        Goddammit.

  • PickAnotherID

    O/T – In recognition of the folks who have brought some order to the chaos of critic gatherings over the years, I’d just like to mention today is ‘National Cat Herder Day’: (f5)

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6RpHakTTwcI/Thw7gmw7fMI/AAAAAAAALLY/aiQfOYMGJVM/s1600/HerdingCats.jpg

    • Ella Raitch

      Yippee ki meow

    • Sherbet

      “Git along, Fluffy! Yo, Princess! Lucky and Tiger, slow down; what’s your hurry…”

  • Sherbet

    It’s bad enough imagining Shelly in that condition, but knowing that the church is retaliating by stalking Rachel and her husband makes the story even more horrible. Nobody is surprised that they do this sort of thing time and time again, but the day of reckoning is getting closer, and the years of “nobody can touch us” are just about over. Accountability, Miscavige. You think you don’t have to own up to anything, but it’s over.

    • DoveAlexa

      Members of the public also didn’t sign any waivers with Sci, so they have nothing to wave at the cops when they harrass normal people.

      • Sherbet

        I don’t know if it’s just wishful thinking, but somehow I’m feeling we’re closer to the tipping point than ever before.

        • John Prince

          That big fat Sleigh full of Booty is teetering and tottering atop Mount Crumpet.. “You’re a Mean One, Missus Grinch..”

          • Sherbet

            I like the visual.

            • John Prince

              ..《trumpets; “na-na-na-NA-H -NA-H-H na-na-na- NA-H NA-H-H. .》

    • Jeb Burton

      Actually, I think it’s great, that is if Rachel isn’t that bothered by it. I just hope she documents it. Just another nail in the coffin.

  • Newiga

    OMZ! I just read Tony’s tweet and today’s headline. I’m itching the read the post. DAMN work! Always getting in the way of my Scientology watching.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Is it not Christmas yet?

      • Newiga

        Almost 😉

        • Eivol Ekdal

          Tomorrow, last day?
          Me too.

          • Newiga

            I wish… I work until 23rd and get back to work on 25th. z(

  • LongtimeLurker

    I wonder if anyone (lurkers, new Bunker never-ins, Free Zoners) reading today’s article might think “well this is Miscavige’s doing, this isn’t intrinsically a Scientology problem”.

    After all, it’s not explicitly in Scientology doctrine, right?

    The two men escorting Shelly, the PIs possibly watching Rachel’s family, the Church of Spiritual Technology at Twin Peaks, Scientology’s current “personality” as an organisation…all that was created by, or at least perfected by, David Miscavige.

    He’s like a dud Pope. No need to judge the whole religion by this bad apple.

    If anyone is thinking along those lines…

    Please realise, Miscavige is just a facilitator.

    On board the Scientology ship Apollo children as young as 7 were imprisoned in the “chain locker”.

    It’s a small, lightless, metal room with a bucket for a toilet. The giant anchor chain runs through it.

    The time in the locker varied from one day to 3 weeks.

    “…It was very dangerous because if the anchor slipped and started running out, it could turn a body into pulp in no time at all…” David Mayo.

    “… occasional food out of a bucket. This was like the Concentration Camps from my childhood days…” Otto Roos.

    Lafayette Ronald Hubbard locked a child in a metal room on board a boat.

    Scientology is Hubbard.

    Shelly’s situation is what Scientology does.

    • Sherbet

      Amen! The evil didn’t start in 1987.

      • LongtimeLurker

        It sure didn’t.

      • Interested2

        Hence why I find it so difficult to read Mike s blog today and every time she writes. I sense she feels lrh was Amazing… As she worked as one of his MO s she makes apologies for his disgusting behaviour ….. Still……

        • Sherbet

          I have a hard time with indies or those who still revere lrh. Mike Rinder doesn’t usually give them a spotlight, but he doesn’t censor, either. As others have said, exes have to find their way out, mentally, and sometimes it takes a while to admit that everything they thought they knew was really BS.

        • gtsix

          I like reading these accounts for the history. First hand experiences from those that were there are valuable. ymmv

    • That’s a serious problem. We say that people can believe what they please, and it’s the abuses not the beliefs that are at question.

      This is disingenuous. We say this because doubting Scientologists typically complete their disillusionment in gradual stages, and telling them the truth up front – that Ron was a psychopathic manipulator, and Scientology irredeemable nonsense – is a good way to be ignored.

      However, the doctrines of Scientology did not originate out of a sincere religious impulse, or tradition. They are bereft of compassion or social value. . They were designed by a con artist for the purposes of obtaining money and control. The content of Scientology is a problem.

      Miscavige demonstrates this, He was ‘brought up’ in Scientology and now has the power to take the doctrines of Scientology to their logical conclusion. He’s not corrupted ‘the tech’. He is applying it and, if you do that in the real world, you can’t help but doharm.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Smartfax.

      • grundoon

        On the other hand, no Scientologist below Miscavige really knows ALL the doctrines of Scientology – there are always unquantifiably more that are secret from you, or that you haven’t gotten around to, or that Hubbard left unfinished and unexplained.

        Further, Hubbard was often vague, unclear, indefinite, opaque. He changed his mind between first and last word of a sentence. Revisions are issued continually even 30 years after his death.

        Since not even the known doctrines are fully intelligible or complete, Scientologists are required to arrive at their own interpretations to cover the gaps. Explaining Hubbard (except in his own words), or sharing or discussing the necessary personal interpretations, is forbidden. Scientology doctrine, in effect, is different for every Scientologist. Although they know this, they cannot discuss or inquire into these differences until after they leave the Chruch.

        The result is that the Chruch has hardly any fixed doctrine – aside from the one overriding doctrine (according to Gerry Armstrong): Do as you’re told and it will be all right.

        To cope, Scientologists each day apply Hubbard’s doctrine of taking what is “real” to them at that point in their journey, and leaving the rest for another day or another Scientologist.

        Most who leave the Chruch are quick to drop the Hubbard and Miscavige doctrines that cause most harm to others.

        Unfortunately, they have also been indoctrinated into beliefs and practices which are detrimental to themselves. Uncovering these and rooting them out can take a lifetime.

        Many ex-Scientologists continue to find good in Scientology doctrine, scrubbed of the worst of Hubbard’s malevolence. More power to them.

        • It strikes me that there are doctrines which require certain actions in given circumstances, and the culture of the organisation. The bible is full of smiting and vengeance, but many Christian Churches have institutionally rationalised all of that away, and the culture is one that at least aspires towards compassion above all.

          Scientology was founded (and then taken over) by people without the capacity for compassion. The written doctrine specifically requires revenge (“when someone attacks Scientology I always get even” said Hubbard) and the culture has stayed as it was it his day – aggressive and controlling.

          Most new religious movements start out aggressive. They need to be to establish a beachhead in a competitive market. However, those which survive, moderate. For example, Scientology should ‘reinterpret’ disconnection to mean something completely different to what it does now, which does not involve the abuses it currently does. Religious doctrines once believed literally have become ‘symbolic’ in this way throughout history.

          For one reason or another, Scientology can’t make this adjustment. It can’t change its culture. It has stayed in the first stage for far too long, now, and destroyed it’s own reputation. Wore yet, instead of taking stock, and changing, it’s doubling down.

          I think , largely thanks to Miscavige, it has passed the point of no return, and it doomed to extinction.

          • Theo Sismanides

            That’s true. I can agree to that but not that Miscavige has not corrupted the tech.

            • My point was that written doctrines which demand that people do terrible
              things in the name of God are often selectively ignored by compassionate
              believers. This does not mean to say that I think God exists (I don’t).

              I’m afraid I took it as read that ‘the tech’ (the totality of doctrines and practices which constitute Scientology) is nothing more than a toolbox of psychological manipulation of no inherent worth.

              To be clear: ‘the tech’ can’t be corrupted because it was about as corrupt as it gets from the beginning.

              I will reconsider this opinion when someone shows me an objectively testable example of the benefits claimed for ‘the tech’. Not some subjective feel good claim – something that can be put to a fair test in the real world.

              It strikes me that I’m on firm ground here, because if just one of Hubbard’s claims for Scientology were actually true, anyone who could demonstrate them would be celebrated worldwide.

      • Theo Sismanides

        He’s not corrupted the tech? How would you know? Where do you base that conclusion of your’s? Can you give specifics that you do know he has not corrupted the tech? Do you know that I personally stood for the Translations HCOBs (a big deal to get the Tech to the rest of the world) and I was persecuted in the very Sea Org for insisting upon their application?

        Standard Tech, a term coined by Hubbard to denote the unalterable version of the tech to be delivered, is not even mentioned in the church. And you are saying he has not corrupted the tech?

        • I am saying that ‘the tech’ was worthless to begin with, and therefore cannot logically be corrupted.

          Miscavige has changed a lot of the details of Hubbard’s worthless practices, and Scientologists now have to do slightly different worthless things than they did before.

          For example, they now obsess over the definition of a ‘floating needle’ in the false belief that a glorified skin galvanometer can tell you anything meaningful about mental processes. However, it doesn’t matter which definition you use. The needle movements never meant what Hubbard claimed they did in the first place.

          My contention is that Standard Tech does not work in any meaningful way. Consequently, it does not matter how it has been changed (or “corrupted” if you prefer). Neither version ever performed as advertised and you can’t corrupt something that never worked in the first place.

          However, the general principles which guide Miscavige’s behaviour are exactly the same that guided Ron’s (in fact Miscavige learned it all directly from his guru). Those principles are pitiless nonsense, which inevitably result in abuse.

          There is abuse now under Miscavige’s ‘corrupted’ tech and there was abuse under Hubbard’s ‘standard’ tech. It’s all Scientology and it’s all irredeemable, no matter how much you obsess about irrelevant details.

          If the tech does not work, your Translation HBOCs were not a “big deal” but a waste of time.

          You can, of course decisively refute this opinion (instead of taking past me) by suggesting one aspect of the tech which will produce objective results in an environment where it can be put to a fair test.

          • Theo Sismanides

            I am not gonna do this because you guys will have to move your butts and get out of this mud that you think conceived you. No buddy, you don’t need any explanations or proofs from me, you have it already all figured out in your head.

            So it was your opinion as I thought. You have no personal experience of any kind. I thought so!

            At least one thing that I was taught is not to utter opinions in fields where I have no experience or first hand knowledge. But we are far from such a state in this culture. Anyone can say anything that comes down their head.

            • redfisch

              Speaking of someone whose mind is made up before the discussion even starts ……

            • Theo Sismanides

              Having one’s mind made after quite some years of studying, practising and experiencing a subject and having certainty about it after you have seen the results is quite a different thing than what you just tried to assume about me.

              Instead, shouldn’t the majority here criticizing Scientology (the tech) when they haven’t studied it in any serious and standard way, be more careful and open to discussion instead of assuming things?

            • madame duran

              Translation:
              “I won’t bother offering any proof or explanation about the tech’s workability because you all won’t believe me anyway”. Nice side step there, Theo. I don’t know why Scientologists even bother to disseminate the tech when most people in the world won’t accept or be persuaded by it.
              “…get out of this mud that you think conceived you…”
              Are you slighting our beloved Teegeeack (Earth)?

            • Then provide me with first hand knowledge by showing me one of the benefits of ‘the tech’. I am quite prepared to change my opinion if you can show me evidence that I am wrong.

              Until then the total lack of reliable evidence for the incredible claims made by Hubbard will lead any reasonable person to question his word. That’s the same basis on which you would buy a used car after all, and this is a much more important matter.

              How am to gather first hand knowledge unless Scientologists provide evidence for their claims?

            • Theo Sismanides

              The only person who can provide that evidence to yourself, my friend, is You. You claim Scientology doesn’t work. Ok. Go get a book, read it, see if it makes sense. Try to apply some things out of some books. Get some reality of what Scientology is all about first.

              Learn a bit on the terms and what they represent. Otherwise, you can’t have an informed opinion about something unless you know it yourself.

              I could tell you that through an assist I alleviate a person’s pain in her finger in less than 2 minutes? You want miracles? You ain’t gonna get them for free this time.

              So, if you really want to find out about something and don’t pretend you “wanna know” you make a decent and honest effort towards getting to know it.

              There is no other way.

            • I have read Hubbard’s awful books and they consist of clumsily plagiarised ideas, wild claims and assertions unsupported by the slightest evidence and frequent utter incoherence.

              I have looked to see if it makes sense and it plainly doesn’t. You can’t apply what does not make sense. You can only delude yourself that it does.

              You could tell me almost anything, but without supporting evidence your words would be worthless.

              No, you can’t alleviate pain at all. If you could, anaesthesia would be
              obsolete.

              Using complex “terms” may make you feel important, but this does not disguise the fact that ‘the tech’ cannot do what it claims to be able to do.

              I’m no t pretending anything. I’m merely asking you to
              provide objective evidence and you’re pretending it’s below you because
              you can’t. I have made a decent and honest effort to read Hubbard, and its perfectly obvious that he was writing irredeemable nonsense.

              In “Dianetics”Hubbard clearly claimed that clears could correct faulty eyesight, grow new teeth, develop perfect memories and increase their IQs. He had no evidence for these claims, and none has been provided for more than 60 years. None of it is true.

              You can’t provide any evidence for your claims either. please don’t pretend you won’t because it’s below you. At some level you must know that you can’t, really, , or you would not be so unwilling to go out into the world and demonstrate it.

            • Theo Sismanides

              Hahaha. At least you have read some books. Ok, ok. Look, you don’t have to grow new teeth or see someone do to believe…. But it looks like people want such things in order to believe.

              Then Scientology is not for you. And though Hubbard yes back in the 1950s started something that up to that point was the field of psychologists and psychiatrists and presented some things which couldn’t be addressed through the mind that much but rather through the soul, it’s not that he never exaggerated conditions and results. Whoever claims that would be a fool and a liar.

              However, whoever also claims that the human spirit is not in any position to heal a body is equally blind and a fool.

              I know the people who want to see miracles to believe. You wouldn’t even believe the alleviation of pain unless it happened to you at which point you would probably start believing it and then probably you would start doubting it again.

              I don’t know but for some people it’s harder. Maybe it is because they constantly doubt things instead of observing what is there. And they constantly need “proof”.

              I have differentiated between a paranoid church and the technology. The technology is not a perfect thing. It’s a workable thing. It can only produce results when you apply it exactly. Like a recipe. When you start altering it or doing whatever of course it does not work.

              Do you know what to “duplicate” means? Duplication?

            • No. You can believe anything without evidence. The problem with that approach is that you are overwhelmingly likely to be believing nonsense (and possibly being conned out of your money). Evidence is what enables you to get at the truth.

              I don’t want to see miracles. I just want to see one of the things that Hubbard claimed, time and again, that Scientologists would be able to do as a matter of routine, without really trying.

              It sounds to me as you have fallen into one of Hubbard’s traps – a trap that has been around for millennia. If it seems to work, ‘the tech’ is vindicated. If it can’t perform – why, that’s because you have made some small error in it’s application. There’s always an excuse for failure.

              That’s what ‘duplication’ really means – and it’s nothing like the thing that Hubbard wanted you to think.

              It’s significant that:

              a) Neither dianetics nor Scientology have ever worked in controlled circumstances, and b)Scientologists do not allow independent workers to investigate their claims since they were falsified years ago (see https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/01/08/436/ and https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/an-experimental-investigation-of-hubbards-engram-hypothesis-dianetics/ )

              It only seems to work for you because you want to believe it does – but in the total absence of evidence I can only conclude that it simply does not work at all.

            • Theo Sismanides

              look, I am in a mood to have endless discussions with “open minded” people who keep looking for evidence instead of sitting down and doing something about it, themselves.

              You still didn’t answer to me what does Duplication mean? So, obviously when you can’t even duplicate a simple question but you throw in your ideas about what it “really” means and how brainwashed I can get, there is no point of having another communication cycle started.

              One either duplicates another one and answers or then the non-duplication of one’s question leads to a break of the whole discussion.

              Since I know some quite good english and greek I can tell you that the idea of Duplication is novel in this world and the concept is not familiar to non Scientologists. That makes it a hell of a life in terms of communication. Many people may do duplicate the other person’s questions or communications “instinctively” as doing so is considered good manners and communication has a lot to do with that.

              However, most people ignore that and tend to go off to some other point not-ising (another good novel concept meaning ignoring through force) the communication of the other person. But that has its consequences as it violates good manners and leads to eventual breaks in communication and thus in understanding.

              Have you ever seen two people starting a conversation in a nice way and ending it fighting each other?

              So, please spare me of those fights or do duplicate and answer my question?

              What does Duplication mean for you?

            • Duplication is the act of reproducing something exactly.

              It’s a concept typical of Hubbard No questions are permitted. No discussion is permitted. No dissent is permitted. It is assumed that the person whom you have to duplicate is infallible. You quite literally have to do as you are told.

              I understand the concept, but I decline to ‘duplicate’ it because it is banal and manipulative, enabling you to claim control of the agenda and sideline my question (as you are doing now).

              In contrast, the wog world has concepts like ‘discussion’ which involves an exchange of ideas. This can sometimes appear chaotic, but human beings are good at that. We don’t need to behave like computers, worrying about narrow ‘communication cycles’. We can handle it.

              Perhaps we can now move on to your objective evidence in support of Scientology. Please duplicate, and answer my question.

            • Theo Sismanides

              Once_Born, thank you. Duplication is found as part of Communication formula.

              Duplication is: Cause, distance, effect, with the same thing at effect as is at cause.

              Once_Born says to Theo “Hi, Theo” and Theo gets “Hi, Theo”. He doesn’t get it as “Hi, Theo, asshole” or something. He gets what’s there.

              Now, Hubbard or no Hubbard duplication is NOT a concept typical of Hubbard. You can look in real life and see that without duplication (duplicating things as they are) life cannot go on. The boss says “guys, go over there and do bla” and the guys go over there and do bla and the business goes on.

              It’s unfortunate that stupid people hold positions of power and then they have to be duplicated all the time. People hate that and thus Duplication gets a bad name. Even parents want to be duplicated by their children and sometimes they are not being listened to because what they are asking of their children is beyond the children’s will.

              So, duplication is as you said reproducing something exactly and it can be used to manipulate people. And there is another way it can be used to manipulate people in a negative sense. To make everybody detest duplication and forget all about it so we can get a scene where most of the people on the planet do whatever they want without ever duplicating anything decent but just the orders of a few who cannot be disobeyed (who wouldn’t duplicate a policeman telling them to step out of the car even if they hadn’t done anything illegal).

              Anyway, duplication in itself is not a bad thing. When you are asking people to duplicate beyond their will is where the trouble starts or when people are unwilling to duplicate anything. So some judgement here on what one would like to duplicate does not harm.

              Or so much for duplication.

              Now as to your question. The fact that we duplicate to a certain degree each other and understand (to a certain degree) each other is a progress in the communication cycle. What have we been doing? Through communication and duplication of each other’s questions and ideas (no matter how unreal some of those have been for each other) we manage to raise reality (agreement) and thus affinity (an emotional tone). The affinity now is a bit above (maybe) antagonism at a level of mild interest and so our understanding of each has increased. This is the triangle of ARC (affinity, Reality, Communication) which is the triangle of Understanding. And it is a triangle because if you raise one corner (item of the 3) the other 2 will rise, too and Understanding will rise.

              I can understand that a lot of things might be overwhelming in Scientology, like who was that Hubbard who kind of discovered all this? Well, nothing can be true unless it is true for you. Until You can see this with your own eyes.

              Apart from that my friend I could give you examples out of my experience but you were not there to attest to them. So, what’s the use. That assist that I honestly gave under 2 minutes is not to be mentioned as it sounds totally unreal and honestly it is unreal. Unfortunately and I am not saying this to avoid the matter any proof you will have will be first hand experience.

              That’s all. I got to go but thanks for the conversation.

            • Not much room for subtlety and ambiguity in Scientology communications, then.

              I don’t think this stuff is overwhelming. It’s underwelming. It all sounds very impressive until you think about it for a moment, and realise it doesn’t tell you anything that you need to know, since you are already perfectly capable of communicating. That is typical of Hubbard.

              Your example of the touch assist, then, is entirely subjective. You have no objective evidence to present. in contrast, Hubbard once claimed a variety of cures. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2016/08/24/l-ron-hubbards-supporting-evidence-for-dianetics-dianetics-and-scientology-in-astounding-science-fiction-pt-20/ The poor quality of the evidence he was able to present in support is, I would suggest, the reason he switched to unfalsifiable subjective claims.

              Any claim had to be capable of disproof – must be falsifiable – for it to mean anything. If it can’t be disproved it is effectively meaningless. For example claims that Standard Tech always works are unfalsifiable because, if it does’nt, it can’t have been Standard. There is always a get-out.

              You also seem to be saying that I have to accept Scientology if am to able to access evidence that it works – which of course I would, because I would be a Scientologist. that is also a somewhat circular argument.

              Still, having a reasonable exchange of views (although I suspect we are talking past each other somewhat) is good. Until next time, I wish you well.

            • Theo Sismanides

              once-born, I am not trying to get you at anything, since it would be very difficult to formulate some Reality through some lines on the internet.

              Even if I sent you the personal testimony of the person who received the assist (who was not at all familiar with Scientology, by the way) wouldn’t affect your frame of mind because that’s how it works. The mind I guess needs time and experience to start changing its patterns of thinking and changing its stable data.

              So, even the evidence from the horse’s mouth wouldn’t convince one.

              This is why I am saying one has to have a subjective reality of things in order to start building some reality in something. I have built my own reality (things I can agree with and then see them as real) and you have built your own. There might be some minor overlap in some down to earth issues but further than that things get tougher and no reality can be built there. So, I am wishing you a Merry Christmas (one point of reality I hope) and all to be well with you. It’s been good talking with you. Take care.

    • Techie

      No kids in chain lockers in the “Freewinds”, you are thinking of the Apollo. But the point is well taken. With an enlightened spiritual leader after Hubbard, Scientology could have moderated much in the way Catholicism moderated after the extreme excesses of the dark ages. You can still disagree with them and there are abuses but at least they no longer burn people on stakes. With a plodding sort of blase leader Scientology would have collapsed under the stress of the IRS judgements against it. Then it would possibly have been reborn as the Freezone etc. but not with the damaging power and authority it has today. That would have been all for the best, all of us fanatical followers would have gone home to our families.But instead we have what we have, and the abuse goes on.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Stupid me, I aways do that. Thanks Techie.

    • joan nieman

      Yes. Scientology is Hubbard.

  • Narapoid

    Chairman Miscavige and his “new” squeeze. f5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5a468b10022b57ffa05ec34d3aa56538b00a1fbc47addd46a90722c4ae84a9f7.jpg EDIT TO ADD. I did not know this is a shoop, as there are plenty of shots of COB with his “Communicator” and I would have used one of those. Thank you to those who have pointed it out.

    • Betty

      Wow look at that body posture.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Thug Life!

    • Newiga

      Isn’t this a shoop? Or is my memory playing tricks on me?

      • Sherbet

        I don’t think it’s a shoop, but I don’t think it’s him.

        • It’s a shoop.

          The head is from when he was at the races with Tom.

          • Sherbet

            OK. I thought it was a whole ‘nother person who resembles DM.

        • Robert Eckert

          There’s a different picture that isn’t a shoop but isn’t him (a Disney exec with a superficial resemblance standing by Cruise). This is the one that is him, but is shooped to include Lou.

          • Sherbet

            OK. I stand — and sit — corrected.

            • Observer

              The Miscavige face is, I believe, from the series of shots taken when he was at the races with Lou, Tom and Katie.

            • Sherbet

              Yes, Lurker posted them. Speaking of Katie, I wonder what she thinks about the whole Shelly thing, if she sneaks a peek at any anti-scientology news these days. I’m thinking Katie probably has had it up to HERE with scientology for the time being.

      • Observer

        Yes, it’s a shoop. I was so informed when I thought it was real a couple of years ago. It may be one of J. Swift’s. Whosever it is, it’s incredibly well done.

    • Susan black

      who’s the chick?

      • LongtimeLurker

        It’s a shoop. But there’s a belief that he’s “with” his assistant Lou, see my reply below.

    • LongtimeLurker
      • They both seem to accustomed to a degree of propinquity which suggests they are… quite comfortable with each other. Personal space, and all that.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I’m pretty touchy IRL (Italian heritage?) but even if they’re not a thing, her body language indicates she likes him a lot, imho.

          …said Lurker, judging a person he’s never met based on three images.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Props for propinquity, btw.

      • MarcabExpat

        What a joyful pair they look. Full of the inner peace that comes from a lifetime of selfless ecclesiastical service.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Sarcasm setting: kill.

    • Narapoid

      Here is a real shot of Chairman Miscavige at Motorcycle races with his “communicator” Lou with TC and Katie. Notice how relaxed Lou’s hands are. The Scilon assistant is on the left. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2e5d004b581748e2aca973a017760f1165c0163d87b84f6dc36f33748ebbe8da.png

      • AnonOrange

        Next to Tom Cruise, damn he’s short!

        • ze moo

          It was Tom’s turn to stand on the apple box.

  • ONEpointONE

    It’ll be interesting to see what the LAPD does with Leah’s recent records request. Their handling of the missing person report was not on the up and up as we learned from her book last year. High-ups at the Department know she’s very ‘high profile’ with her current show and they really don’t need embarrassment. I don’t see how their response can be anything but embarrassing.

  • Sherbet

    “So, Mr. Cruise, before we talk about ‘The Mummy,’ does it concern you that your friend Mrs. Miscavige has been seen in a disheveled condition by credible witnesses? Do you think that should be investigated or ignored?”

    • Jeb Burton

      I will not comment on unfounded rumors. Everybody’s lying.

      • Sherbet

        Ah, you must be psychic to be able to forecast what Tom Cruise would say!

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        Message for you Jeb from DM. ” Knock of the generalities. Only scientologists who have completed the Golden Age of Scientology methods know how to lie properly. Those are big beans like LRH, Tom Cruise, John Travolta and of course HE who ( COB of RTC my sole drinking buddy wearing all the hats dumped on me myself and I ) i personally trained and certified on my TR- L course. Now go correct your statement with my truth ”

        I will deliver, before 2 pm, your compliance report to DM by the usual hidden data and command control lines of the NEW ‘ COB messengers Org.
        Start.

    • Jimmy3

      “Speaking of mummies, Mr. Cruise, why does your pal, the leader of the world’s most ethical people, have to keep his own wife wrapped up and buried away?”

      • Sherbet

        “Interview over!”

        • Cut to a Tom running sequence.

          • Sherbet

            Hahaha!

        • Jimmy3

          “That’s a wrap! Cult it! Errrr, cut it!”

          • LongtimeLurker

            Har!

    • John Prince

      ..and while Leah’s digging up old dirt, she might officially ask the LAPD how Shelly’s mom, Flo could “commit suicide “by shooting herself, with a rifle, twice in the chest THEN once more in the head ?

      • Sherbet

        “That’s classified.”

        • John Prince

          Cut the shit now. .am I the only wog who thinks the details of Flo Barnett’s “suicide” are a bit Fishy?
          Wasn’t SHE being some sort of troublemaker back then..threatening to open some can-of-worms about how co$ treated her Daughter?

          • Sherbet

            No, you’re not the only one who thinks that.

          • SP Wannabe

            No, but… can anyone confirm that Shelly was indeed on the Apollo, alone, at the age of 10?

            Maybe I’m being never-in un-understanding, but that seems like an huge parenting (and life) fail.

            Excuse me, maybe I should say “Flunk!”.

    • ONEpointONE

      Mr. Cruise will not tolerate the religious bigotry implied by that question.

      • Sherbet

        😀

  • FredEX2

    “ALL IT TAKES FOR EVIL TO PREVAIL IS FOR A GOOD MAN TO DO NOTHING” ~ Burke

    Wake up America! There is a criminal cult led by a psychopath destroying the lives of United States citizens.

    • ONEpointONE

      Leah’s show is waking them up by the millions.

    • Observer

      Considering who was elected…

      • Sherbet

        Rimshot!

      • Libertylover

        Well Russia is very anti Scientology and takes action, so now something might happen?

    • mockingbird

      Once we are all dead it will be clear.

  • Newiga

    I hope against hope that the saga of Shelly Miscavige has a happy ending.

  • TexasBroad

    So many people would open their wallets, offer their home and other resources to assist Shelley to escape the terrible fate she lives out and she has no idea of that. I am about her age and think of the fullness of my life. I can’t imagine how small her world is and what it must be like for her, day in and day out. Thank you for speaking to Tony, Rachel. It’s hard to hope that she can be helped because her story has been known for so long already, but hope I do. The account of her physical condition is so alarming. I can’t fathom her mental state.

  • LongtimeLurker

    All things uncomely and broken, all things worn out and old,
    The cry of a child by the roadway, the creak of a lumbering cart,
    The heavy steps of the ploughman, splashing the wintry mould,
    Are wronging your image that blossoms a rose in the deeps of my heart.
    The wrong of unshapely things is a wrong too great to be told;
    I hunger to build them anew and sit on a green knoll apart,

    Consider clicking the Recommend Heart at the top left of the comments column, gang.

    This is an important one.

  • aquaclara

    Keeping a person locked up, especially one in need of care and professional treatment, is a crime. The two security thugs who are assigned to control her should be locked up for life beginning now. Maybe if they realized this, they would pop on over to the local police, sheriff or FBI office and turn themselves in, while making sure Shelly got the appropriate care she needs.

    And oh, Davey-boy, if Shelly dies while on your watch, all the money in the Scientology world will not be able to save your ass this time.

    Now, what authority is able to commence a long overdue raid on this property?

    • ze moo

      If allowed to walk around just a little bit, the clams can claim that she is not in need of any treatment. If she is still in Lron’s mind prison, she will not cooperate in any ‘rescue’.

  • aquaclara

    Thank you, Rachel. Stay safe….

  • Kerf

    I’m a bit confused. Are these dates correct? Did Rachel see Shelly in December 2014, perhaps, and then 4 months later in 2015?

    • Kerf

      “…she stumbled on Leah Remini’s appearance on ABC’s 20/20 which first aired in October 2015.”
      “Rachel says she was stunned. She called over her husband, and she says at that moment, they were “90 percent sure” that they had seen the woman before, on two different occasions in the nearby town of Crestline.
      The first incident happened in the first week of December, 2015.”

    • DoveAlexa

      I might just be having the dumb today, but I went back and read it again, and yeah, now I’m confused too.

    • Tony Ortega

      No, December 2015 and April 2016.

      • Tony Ortega

        Rachel saw a video of Leah on 20/20 this summer. The 20/20 show first aired in October 2015, but what Rachel saw was a tape of it online.

  • AnonOrange

    Prediction: Shelly will be dead of cancer within 12 months, like many other Scientologists in their 50’s.

    BTW, several years earlier, I went to CST with AGP to look for her (no luck), but we notified the local sheriff (who were extremely creepy) and and filed a missing person report with the LAPD. They also closed the investigation after they spoke to Shelly’s attorney.
    The new human trafficking law (from about 5 years ago) require the authorities to make personal contact with the person in question, without interference from anybody else. The LAPD didn’t seem to think that was an issue.

    • AnonOrange

      California Penal Code, Section 236 defines false imprisonment as “the unlawful violation of the personal liberty of another” and Section 236.2 lists the following indicators of human trafficking:
      (a) Signs of trauma, fatigue, injury, or other evidence of poor care.
      (b) The person is withdrawn, afraid to talk, or his or her communication is censored by another person.
      (c) The person does not have freedom of movement.
      (d) The person lives and works in one place.
      (e) The person owes a debt to his or her employer.
      (f) Security measures are used to control who has contact with the person.
      (g) The person does not have control over his or her own government-issued identification or over his or her worker immigration documents.

      • Pretty much a full hand, then.

      • Noesis

        An approach via the Office of the CA AG may be more fruitful. That office has more political muscle and is less likely to have been completely compromised.

        http://tonyortega.org/2016/12/15/claim-frail-looking-shelly-miscavige-spotted-near-scientology-compound-in-california/#comment-3053436086

        • AnonOrange

          I believe thta LAPD captain Bev Girmala (Capt III) may have been the one who squashed the investigation.
          She attends their celebrity center events, much Ex Sherriff Lee Baca.
          (Baca plead guilty to federal charges of lying during an investigation into civil rights violations at the county jail.)

          • Noesis

            Understood.

            Which is why the next approach needs to go via the Office of the CA State Attorney General…with a full explanation as to why neither the LAPD or the LASD can be relied upon to do proper follow-up.

    • AnonOrange

      Here’s the LAPD detective who was responsible for tracking down Shelly Miscavige and Heber Jentzch:
      Detective Maria Ciuffetelli, Los Angeles Police Department, Missing Persons Unit.
      If she’s still there, you may reach her at (213) 996-1800. MARLA CIUFFETELLI [34964@lapd.lacity.org]

      I emailed spoke to her on the phone several times back in May 2011. Clearly she didn’t want to do anything about it, particularly after she spoke with the late Sci lawyer Elliot Abelson.

      Why were the LAPD involved with this San Bernardino county case? Even though Shelly is (allegedly)in San Bernardino county, her address is a mailbox in Los Angeles. That’s why.
      The San Bernardino county detectives managed to get rid of this case as fast as they could and passed it down to the LAPD using the mailbox excuse.

  • jane456

    Crestline is a very tiny little town. I hope that Leah Remini’s program gets the attention of other people living there and there are more eyes on the situation. Anyone who lives in Crestline, read the series about Lisa McPherson and be careful.

    The description given here sounds like a disabled adult who is unable to make decisions about their own well being, perhaps a psychotic break like Lisa McPherson.

    So the question for me is; will a so-called religion be able to get away with this again? I would like to know how the LAPD explain why they do not act in a situation like this.

    You can’t grab a psychotic person off the street and hold them in a place where they get no care and that puts their life at risk. But a church can do this, with the help of law enforcement. This is very dark and very dire. It makes me feel that we live in a lawless world.

  • Jimmy3

    Why was she at Lake Drive Hardware? She usually gets everything from the Home Despot. Maybe they didn’t have the right gauge of window bars?

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      My bad, I bought Home Depot out. All my BT’s want stripper poles.

      • Mark Foster

        Stripper poles and bongs. Damn…

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Completely PTS. 😀

          • Mark Foster

            PTS and PTSD
            Giggling and cackling with glee
            Don’t worry, honey, you can go free!
            With this here auditor, for a nominal fee!
            Slippin’ and slidin’ down that stripper pole
            Sinking and drowning in that one-one hole
            But wait, there’s hope, I can make you high!
            Here’s a million dollar bridge for you to buy!
            Just forsake your family and dump your friends
            Cuz the super power means justify the OT ends
            Empty your heart and your pockets, too
            And let me fill them with this Hubbard Woo
            Though the naysayers howl and say it’s dreck
            Sweetie I promise you, it’s the bomb-diggidity Tech!
            So close your legs and get off that pole
            And assume your proper minion role!
            Hush any doubts and ramp up that glare
            Take the courses and perfect your stare
            Hold the cans and see the light
            And embrace the lie, so shiny and bright!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              ChillEB is copying these lyrics as we speak. LOL

            • Mark Foster

              Shee-it, that chin-thetan-addled punk doesn’t have the rank to sniff my…oh, never mind…

    • Gerard Plourde

      My guess is that the relative remoteness of the location might make trips into the nearest source of supply logical (And I can’t believe I’m attributing logic to a Scientology action.)

    • LongtimeLurker

      Sadlol

  • Chee Chalker

    Leah Remini was on 97.9 The Loop (Chicago) this morning with local ‘shock jock’ (he’s not all that shocking, but you get the drift). I only caught the second half but it was interesting because the DJ (Mancow Muller) had tried Scientology at the suggestion of John Travolta.
    He tries auditing, decided it wasn’t for him, and never went back.
    One thing that seemed to surprise him was when Leah revealed one of the EPs of OT VIII (there is no God) and Leah pointed out how you are lied to at the beginning when you are told you can be a Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc and still be a Scientologist
    I believe Mancow has a sizeable audience, mainly younger people.

    Leah is a one woman wrecking crew! The combination of Leah and Mike is going to overwhelm the maniacal midget once and for all

  • ze moo

    Shelly Miscavage is not a ‘missing person’ as defined by Cali law.

    http://lib.post.ca.gov/Publications/missing.pdf

    She is more of an endangered person or perhaps a ‘person in need of supervision’? To law enforcement, legal status is everything.

    Pictures of Shelly would be very nice, and probably dangerous to take. A visit by interested law enforcement and an ebil psychologist are very much in order. Good luck doing that. The local law enforcement people are either bought off or safe pointed or just not interested.

    California has long history of goofy cults, I wonder what experience in those areas can help Shelly?

    • LongtimeLurker

      It’s arguable she’s a victim of aggravated kidnapping under California Law.

      I’m not saying the prosecution could win a jury trial, but if Shelly was willing to tell the truth we suspect, that she felt she had no choice, there’s room for action here, imho.

      She could win the living Xenu out of a civil case with the right team, tho’

      IANALJAWWHRS
      (I am not a lawyer, just a writer who has read some)

      • DoveAlexa

        Agreed, though I’m kind of disillusioned with the idea of civil suits doing anything.

        • LongtimeLurker

          They do seem to get overturned or reduced on appeal a lot, iirc.

          And/or not really affect people’s thinking about the organization that’s found against. So yeah.

        • ze moo

          If Shelly had the mental ability to sue, she would have left the ‘fortress of solitude’ some time ago.

      • Techie

        The likelihood that Shelley will ever sue or do anything to damage the reputation of her husband or the Church is so close to zero that it is unmeasurable. She is well steeped in the koolaid. I doubt that you could even “rescue” her, she would refuse to go and would be quick to explain that her living conditions are of her free will. If she is ever interviewed by the police it will not warrant any investigation. I see no way that she will ever be freed by external influences, it will have to come from her own heart.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I don’t disagree.

          I was just wishful thinking out loud.

          • Techie

            But here is info (below, AnonOrange) from the California Penal Code about human trafficking. http://tonyortega.org/2016/12/15/claim-frail-looking-shelly-miscavige-spotted-near-scientology-compound-in-california/#comment-3053413952 Looks like a really good case could be made that she is being held against her will and it is illegal. That still may not stand if she insists she is willing. Maybe after 12 years of this she is not so willing. Seems like something could be done about it.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Even if we’re wrong about some of these possible charges, I’m willing to bet the LAPD didn’t fully explore the options.

              Which isn’t entirely down to Dawson or safe-pointing, given funding and manning issues.

              But still.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          exactly.. she’ll explain she is okay and wants to be there and whether she says this alone or with her “handlers” that will be that.. the authorities won’t care or would be too stupid to not know this is not normal behavior that she is under duress and so on.. “oh well, we tried and we did our job” end of story…

    • AnonOrange

      Wrong!
      Here’s the law, read it:
      California Penal Code, Section 236 defines false imprisonment as “the unlawful violation of the personal liberty of another” and Section 236.2 lists the following indicators of human trafficking:
      (a) Signs of trauma, fatigue, injury, or other evidence of poor care.
      (b) The person is withdrawn, afraid to talk, or his or her communication is censored by another person.
      (c) The person does not have freedom of movement.
      (d) The person lives and works in one place.
      (e) The person owes a debt to his or her employer.
      (f) Security measures are used to control who has contact with the person.
      (g) The person does not have control over his or her own government-issued identification or over his or her worker immigration documents.

  • Science Doc

    If Leah wants to rekindle this I would suggest using this new information to file a fresh missing person/elder abuse claim with the San Bernardino County Sheriffs Department and the applicable social services agencies in that county.

  • Libertylover

    Does Lake Drive Hardware have a webcam?
    This looks like the same place and it DOES have a webcam.
    Is it possible to get old webcam footage from sites like the Wayback Machine.
    Any tech savvy people know?
    http://lakedrivehardware.com/livewebcam.html

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Oh hai Lake Drive Hardware!! *waves*

      Hang on tight to your server, you’re about to get overrun. 😀

      • Libertylover

        I hope they keep old footage!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          ^^x47

        • Sherbet

          //Pssst, Libertylover — I enjoyed the Bragg book that you recommended.//

          • Libertylover

            That’s awesome! Glad you liked it. One of my favorite books.

    • DoveAlexa

      Wayback only had a scattershot of saves from the page, nothing continuous, and I’m going to stop fiddling because google made me do a captcha to keep searching. *coughs*

  • Mark Foster

    The video by Shelton is brilliant, period. Please, take the time to watch it!
    Haven’t been here at the Bunker much, so I don’t know if this idea has been proposed and/or acted upon already:
    Has Leah reached out to Jon Atack and his Open Minds Foundation? He is an articulate and knowledgeable
    writer and speaker and, assuming that he’d be willing to be involved if invited, getting him on camera to speak about undue influence and cults and that particularly malodorous turd, scientology, would really forward the agenda of helping people understand how folks get caught up in this shit in the first place…
    Oh yeah, nice work, Mr. Ortega!
    And, finally, what matters in life, to me, is to love and to learn, all of the bullshit and ignorance and suffering and rabidly intentional evil machinations of institutions and individuals notwithstanding. Keep fighting…and keep the love light on.
    Ramen 🙂

    • Sherbet

      Love ya and miss ya, Mark F.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Good to see you around here. ; )

    • Robert Eckert

      Atack is apparently working with some other people on another series. Not sure when that other bombshell is set to go off.

      • Mark Foster

        Yesssssssssss! Awesome, thanks Robert!

        • joan nieman

          That is most exciting news.

        • Robert Eckert

          I’m basing that on things Tony said back at HowdyCon. Of course, circumstances may have changed (or my memory may have garbled) in the interim, but Leah’s was not the only TV show in preparation.

  • Chee Chalker

    I’ve always wondered why DM didn’t stick Shelly on the Slavewinds…..she would be out of law enforcement jurisdiction (if they go out far enough) and she would be surrounded by die hards (OT VIII).
    He could have her locked in her room If any VIPs came aboard

    • Kestrel

      That’s a good point. I suppose there would come a point in time where her passport would expire and that might be a problem.

      • ze moo

        She could also ‘fall overboard’ or something just as bad.

    • It’s unlikely to make any difference but, just to get it right – in international waters, the law of the country in which the vessel is registered applies.

      The Freewinds is like to be registered in a nation with rather lax regulations for seaworthiness (as per CofS SOP) but their law does theoretically apply to whatever happens on board. It would, of course, be impossible to prove any crime and that’s the problem.

      • Techie

        I think the Freewinds is registered in Panama.

        • So Panamanian law applies when it is in international waters. In practice, that’s probably irrelevant… but you never know.

          • pluvo

            “San Donato Properties, S.A., a Panamanian corporation that is the registered owner of the Freewinds. San Donato collects charter fees from Majestic Cruise Lines which it uses to pay the interest and principal of the Freewinds mortgage to Transcorp Services. San Donato is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Transcorp Services. It has no staff.” There are strong connections with Foundation Church of Scientology Flag Ship Service Organization. The Flag Ship Service Organization (FSSO) is a unique Church of Scientology which is located aboard the Freewinds.

            http://www.nedcruise.info/freewinds.htm

            • That establishes ownership of the vessel. It’s probably registered in Panama too, but not necessarily. If so, when they are in International waters, Panamanian law applies.

            • pluvo

              It’s sailing under Panamanian Flag.

      • Chee Chalker

        IIRC someone did find out where it was registered….somewhere in the Caribbean sounds familiar, but I could be way off

    • scnethics

      Sea Org members do talk – they would all know she was there and that news would eventually spread to other orgs and then to public scientologists and to the general public (as it has even though she’s in a very secret location). Also, if she has a psychotic episode or a health condition, it’s much easier to keep that concealed in the woods. I’m really surprised she hasn’t been moved, yet.

      • Chee Chalker

        I think after today she might be on her way to the underground vault in New Mexico

  • Jimmy3

    You guys, Disqus is having a really rough morning (you can smell the booze), and it could really use some alone time to cope, and to collect its feelings. So, just please, for now, don’t bother Disqus with whatever it is you’d like it to do for you. At least for a little while. Give it some space.

    • ze moo

      Aspirin and hair of the dog work wonders.

      • Jimmy3

        Disqus is actually made of dog hair. At least 40% of it is dog hair. So that trick doesn’t work.

    • Susan black

      I’ve tried making nice with discus but it just laughs at me.

    • I guess it’s somethin’ in my brain
      I need whiskey, ease the pain
      But it’s early in the mornin’
      And I’m feelin’ bad again

      But if you ever loved me
      You’ll go easy on me now
      Fix me up a cup of coffee
      And in a while I’ll come around

      I think I spent the dog-food money
      But he’ll love me just the same
      If you really love me baby
      Help me scrape the mucus off my brain

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvJvh_87i4

  • Sherbet

    I have work to do. If anything interesting happens, somebody send me a Telex. Ciao.

    • Mark Foster

      My Bt’s will contact your BT’s, they’ll do lunch, compare notes, and give ya a summary. !Hasta pronto!

      • Sherbet

        It’s a date.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    $cientology nowadays seems to train private detectives instead of auditors.

    • Well… it hires them. If it trained them, they would have to do things the Scientology way. That would make them utterly useless private detectives, so they have to use mercenaries.

      Scientology is useless for anything other than extracting money from people and, judging by the practice of selling ‘statuses’ is beginning to fail at that, too.

      When the CofS really need to get something done, they use that to hire ‘degraded beings’ like lawyers and private detectives and bankers who are not Scientologists.

      I think the whole thing has been run by mercenaries for some time.

      • DoveAlexa

        Don’t forget, they hired armed guards for the Hemet barbed wire resort!

        • Techie

          No, the security guards at the Int Base are Sea Org members with loaded sidearms. And more weaponry in the lock boxes if things get really rough. But strangely the armed security goons that surround Miscavige when he goes to events or travels anywhere are hired from outside and are not part of the Scientology organizations at all. It is almost as if he doesn’t trust his own…

          • DoveAlexa

            Okay. Just I was reading an ex explaining gold base and it seemed to imply that the guards were outsiders to the process.

        • In the UK (where we don’t have guns) Scientology hired private security during the IAS ‘event’ to prevent protesters getting though the gates.

          These people are well-regulated and professional. One told us that the Sea Org had been instructed to defer to them and stay well back if anything happened. The SO confined themselves to standing stock still and pointing cameras at people on the rare occasions they came into view.

          Whenever they encounter the real world, the CofS dips into the cash to hire outsiders, implicitly acknowledging that Scientology does not work in the process.

    • FredEX2

      The PIs they hire give the profession a bad name. Either they aren’t properly trained, or lacking in morals…or they’re not told the true nature of the cases they take. In all places there will always be those willing to do anything for money. Most PIs…like most lawyers…and almost anyone with any scruples at this point…wouldn’t have anything to do with Scientology. Especially with all the exposure and witnesses coming forward and evidence being revealed of their numerous crimes.

      While it seems like nothing is being done about this cult…it may be difficult to remember that there are still good police officers, investigators and federal authorities and others who cannot be flattered or pandered to, or ‘safe pointed’, threatened or bought by this cult.

      With Leah’s incredibly brave series exposing truths of the immoralities, the violations and the numerous crimes committed by this cult…and Miscavige himself…a public outcry has been gathering and it’s going to become louder until it can’t be ignored anymore. Something will be done about it.
      F5
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cb8c537d373e7d7fad25f0740378ad79d3479f8222dd33abfe8cfde9df53d9ad.jpg

      • chukicita

        PIs can’t be all grouped as good or bad guys. They are people who do a job. My dad was a PI, so was my brother in law (both have walked on). Some of their colleagues were…more like mercenaries.

  • From accounts, Shelly Miscavige wasn’t a nice person. However, if she had been tried in a court of law and found as guilty as Mary Sue Hubbard, she would have faced six months to two years in prison — not a walk in the park — but without the targeted psychological damage from Scientology confinement and interrogation.

    And it would have been over and done almost ten years ago.

    • ONEpointONE

      Shelly would be out of prison now for almost ten years had she been convicted of a crime and sentenced to two years in prison almost twelve years ago. Is that about what you’re saying?

      • Yeah. No one deserves The Hole or confinement like this. If they’ve done anything criminal, let it be in a public court of law, with a defense lawyer, a trial, a conviction, a chance of appeal, a set sentence and not “until you cease to have crimes and overts against COB”, and then let be over.

  • Tony Ortega

    Please don’t get confused by the date of Leah’s appearance on 20/20. That October 2015 appearance is online, and Rachel saw it this summer. Here is the sequence of events.

    First Shelly sighting, December 2015
    Second Shelly sighting, approx. April 2016

    Rachel sees Leah’s Oct 2015 appearance on 20/20, this summer. Then realizes the woman she’d seen was Shelly.

    Leah’s series begins airing, November 29. Rachel then reaches out to us.

    • Kerf

      Thanks for straightening that out for me!

    • Dylan

      Yea and as early as 2013 I have been sayin Shelly is up and CST. Btw where are Jim and Joyce Issacson? Where are all the people that Scientology has disappeared?

    • joan nieman

      Awesomeness.

  • flyonthewall

    why would they take Shelly to the hardware store? I could see going to a Walmart for glasses if they have an eye place or a Walgreens for the TakeCare clinic, something like that. But why the hardware store? Maybe she insisted on going for an outing?

    I wonder if they’ll move her to some place even more remote now like Trementina

    • Rasha

      Razor wire, heat sensors, WD-40 — someone’s gotta make the run!

    • Techie

      At the big installations like the Big Blue and Int Base they have a little shop just for the staff called the “Canteen” where you can by toiletries, candy bars, chap stick and the like with your $46 per week allowance. My guess is the CST compound is too tiny to support such a store so the crew go to Crestline for their shopping needs. That Shelley had to be escorted on such a trip is pretty telling, but maybe they just call it security or protection instead of a prison escort.

      • Dylan

        When I was there I used to do all the shopping for the base food and the canteen.

    • I know this will sound bizarre – but it might be a reward.

      I knew someone who worked for the UK Prison Service. Inmates would do anything to get out of the building and just see the sky for a short time. A trip to the shops would be a fantasy. Isolation does strange things to people.

      “We need something at the hardware store. If you behave, we might take you with us.”

      • flyonthewall

        Yeah that’s good actually

    • chukicita

      That kind of struck me too. Odd for an outing. But maybe they had to visit more than one store, and they couldn’t just leave her in the car for obvious reasons.

    • Libertylover

      Maybe to buy some flowering plants? Looks like they are a garden center too.

    • chukicita

      Hey, this is completely off topic but i thought you would appreciate the LEGO journalism.

      http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2016/features/howard-frankland-bridge-plan-legos/

      • flyonthewall

        Sweet. I love it when they use minifigures I have in my collection 🙂

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Now why am I thinking CST would kick LAPD detectives out if they dared ask any question?
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/564e2357c9b629f3ba64bc008d875765b59f9059a3d5dedacae0dcee0a48da2f.gif

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Where is Broderick Crawford when you need him?

      • ze moo

        I want Joe Friday! But I’d settle for Columbo.

    • stanrogers

      It was a little, uh, steep… but I tell you it was the quickest way down.

  • Narapoid

    “The woman, whom Rachel now believes was Shelly Miscavige, looked all of her 55 years, had long, stringy graying hair, and appeared “frail.””

    Spending over a decade trapped on a mountain with the sickest mindfuckers on the planet might do that.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Dave’s Hardware Store Shopping List
    Plastic tie wraps
    Duct tape
    Rope
    U-bolts
    Drill bits
    Ashtrays
    Steel-tipped work boots (bullet-proof)

    Shelly’s Actual Shopping List
    Hacksaw
    Nailgun
    Stapler (for stapling Dave’s nuts to the floor)
    Magnifying glass (to find Dave’s nuts)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/76aabd4730213c18e44a49ca742e711f210d7c39e6e6408bf43efbad0225ec74.jpg

  • 0tessa

    I see two photographs next to one another. One shows his ecclesiastical highness delivering the opening speech in front of a lush building, clothed in a tailormade costume, groomed as a movie star. The other shows a disheveled lady, looking disoriented, long gray hair, guarded by two security officers, who watch her every move and whose task is clearly not protecting her, but protecting something else …
    Connecting the two photographs is this line:
    This is how the leader of Scientology Inc is treating his wife.

  • Princess Squishy

    I’m afraid it’s too late for Shelly to have this kind of break out, but anybody else still in, escape by foot, motorcycle, bus, car, or horse (f5)
    Edited to add the picture my brain has been brain farting on a regular basis the last couple weeks. I guess I’m just ready for Christmas break.
    Second Edit: This is my photo but this is not me, I haven’t been on a horse in 10 years…
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5270fe20d2319b8430e024719754cc870f6c3c3a7e46938aa0b0bacd05957fa9.jpg

    • Dylan

      It can never be too late. Everyone deserves to live their life free of outside influences

      • Princess Squishy

        I just meant I don’t think Shelly can escape this way specifically (on a galloping horse), that’s the only thing it’s too late for

        • Dylan

          She would first have to want to leave. Her doubts would have to outweigh her knowingness.

          • chukicita

            Do you think she can possibly envision life outside for herself?

            • Dylan

              I bet she could have while she was at the Int base. Prolly less so up at CST. If her body is acting up that could be a distraction from the Scientology mind set to get her to look at other options.

            • This is someone who has been in Scientology all of their life, with minimal experience of the wider world. For her, Scientology may well be the whole world. Also, she has been told, for all of that time, that the wider world is dangerous and corrupt.

              With respect, I doubt that she can even conceive of “other options”. Imagine, for example, if some well-meaning government agency managed, somehow, to offer her a psychiatric assessment as part of an effort to make her a ward of court, and set her free.

              Would she embrace the opportunity, or recoil in horror that ‘the Psychs’ were coming to get her. That “prison of belief” is a complete package.

            • Dylan

              That is what I have been saying all along. My opinion is that she has had no wish to leave CST. I never wanted to leave CST I would still be there today working my ass off if dm was not so OC. the more all this plays out the more it seems like a certain Decalogy written by a sci if writter turned religious guru.

            • Techie

              Remember, when she was at Int she was at the right hand of the Miscavige almighty. She had her own cabin on the A deck on the Freewinds, her own rooms at places like the Saint Hill Manor etc., she ate with Dave at the special world class meals, traveled around the world in TC’s private jet, toured London, scuba dived in Bonaire, had her clothes tailored for her, all at no expense to her. She had very real power and could destroy or make someone’s career in the Sea Org at a whim. If she is deluded into thinking she could get that all back by “completing her program” or something it could be a powerful lure.

            • Dylan

              I knew her much different. She was one of the last mothers of the sea org imho. After the others had either left or been banished away. Dealing with all the young messengers and their problems. She was stern yet fair in trying to do her part in saving the planet. Like most that have been shut away, she did her job to well. My one hope is that she is healthy and happy. I do think there could be a life outside Scientology for her if she wishes. I would guess it was the Int base and the progress under dm that got her to CST. Put her back into the bubble so to speak. If she would have stayed on the main lines of Scientology she would be a critic by now.

            • Techie

              Dylan, I only knew her in the late 80s and 90s. When she would come around as part of Dave’s posse and look stern while he ripped someone’s face off. Then she was in charge of all the writeups of the orders that result from the face-ripping, who gets assigned what condition, piles of “COB Orders” that require instant compliance or a trip to the RPF etc. So I don’t remember her so kindly. Perhaps she did mollify some of the worst abuses, but if so I would have no way to know.

            • Dylan

              I hear you. She was no nonsense for sure. I did know this side of her as well but unlike DM she had a sense of humanity or at least a sense of right and wrong.

              She was in fact the one that sent me to the rpf’s rpf’s. I would like to believe it was all the questionable acts like this that got her questioning at one point in time. There is no real place at the upper levels of Scientology for a “Wog” sense of right and wrong.

            • In Philip Zimbado’s ‘Stanford Prison’ experiment some of the ‘guards’ embraced their power and enjoyed the abuse. Others went along with the oppressive situation, but tried their best to minimise the harm that they felt they ‘had’ to do to fulfil their role. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/05/05/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-part-4-power-corrupts-the-stanford-prison-experiment/

              This seems to be the same kind of situation. Shelly’s behaviour was likely often terrible from an outsider’s perspective, but life inside a Scientology compound is calibrated completely differently. ‘Face ripping’, it seems, is the norm.

              You seem to be saying that Shelly was one of the ‘guards’ who tried to minimise the ‘necessary’ harm, rather than one who enjoyed the opportunity for cruelty.

              It’s Zimbado’s contention (eloquently expressed in his book “The Lucifer Effect”) that evil often emerges from a toxic social situation, and even potentially good people find themselves doing reprehensible things.

            • Dylan

              I need to have you start writing my replies. Wonderfully put thanks. I’m familiar with the Stanford experiment and agree.

            • Please – stick with your own replies. They provide an insight that I can only learn from.

          • Princess Squishy

            yep

          • dungeon master

            Sad. She probably still believes she deserved it – pulled it in – has crimes to make amends for – maybe believes she’s doing something valuable for Ron..

            • Dylan

              One of two ways it could have gone down. She was sent there in lowers and would expedite in HCO CST. Get through her program and then be posted into the org. Basically.
              two. Be sent up there to be posted because CST was desperately undermanned or on a special mission/project to intergrate into the org. The dreaded garrison mission.

              The third would be she was sent up there to be held because she was bad. Problem is CST was not set up for that. At the time Shelly was sent up there. The old hco sec was expediting in rtc or busted to gold already. The dir I&r and the maa were the only two other people in hco. They were 19 & 22 yo ( the wheeler brothers) The D/coi was in his late 60’s and handling all the other undermanned divisions. Russ and Tom the CO and DCOE had been busted to the hole or were just about to be. That would have left just over ten total staff at CST when Shelly was sent up there. The more you know.

            • dungeon master

              I’ve been wondering if the Wheeler brothers were the two men escorting Shelley, looks like they’d be the right age. Purely speculation on my part.

    • Newiga

      I will hold on hope that one day Shelly can be free. She hasn’t just been “in” her entire life, she’s been in the center of the viper’s nest, first Hubbard’s then DMs. I hope against hope that she doesn’t spend the rest of her life in the cult.

      • Princess Squishy

        I hope she gets out too, I was just trying to say I think escape on horseback probably isn’t an option if she is in the state that our informant today saw her in.

        • Newiga

          If she is indeed frail, my concern for her mental and physical well-being grows. Her being escorted everywhere doesn’t surprise me but it is shocking none-the-less… Poor Shelly. 🙁

          • She never did look sufficiently nourished, even at the height at her influence. “Frail” suggests muscle wastage as well as low body weight.

            If the experience of Lisa McPherson is anything to go by Shelly’s minders are likely to be happy as long as she is docile. If she’s withdrawing mentally and wasting away physically, that’s not their problem.

            It is, indeed, a terrible way to treat a person.

    • Vaquera

      Pretty ride. My avi is a palomino’s eye.

      • Princess Squishy

        This Palomino is named Jet, and is actually missing an eye, the poor guy lost it a long time ago.

        • Vaquera

          Mine was a Palomino Appaloosa named Sissy. Bomb-proof on trail rides yet fast when you had the urge. My friend used to ride her for mounted shooting competitions. Horse earplugs are hilariously large.

          • Princess Squishy

            I know almost nothing about horses so I don’t know what Jet is exactly. My friend posted what he was just a couple days ago that’s why when you said palomino it rung a bell so I know he’s a palomino but I don’t know what kind. The only riding I’ve ever done has been mostly at camp, and trail riding. Jet is a barrel horse, he’s 27, fast, and good at turns. That’s all I know.

  • Tony Ortega

    Hey, LAPD. We’ve sent this article to some people who actually have the chance to get the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office to act on it. And if Shelly is brought out in bad shape, how will it look that you had the legal authority with Leah’s complaint to do something three years ago?

    • Tony Ortega

      Also, when the fuck is the Los Angeles Times going to pull its head out of its ass.

      • When the potential profit exceeds the potential cost of litigation.

        • Tony Ortega

          Litigation my ass. It’s been a media feeding frenzy for Scientology stories for seven years now. Fear of a lawsuit doesn’t explain the Times and its disinterest in stories that aren’t about David Miscavige being threatened by crazy assholes.

          • So what does?

            • Tony Ortega

              It’s pretty clear there are editors there now who have decided, for whatever reason, that Scientology is not a story they are interested in. Fear of litigation isn’t enough to explain that.

              Believe it or not, but there are journalists who think covering Scientology is a waste of time.. It’s just sad that some of them run the newspaper that should be all over this shit.

            • Jenny Griffith

              I spoke to one of those journalists, at the LA Times. He ridiculed me for acting so concerned and said he didn’t want to be known as someone who writes about scientology. He had written one story about six years ago. Can’t remember his name. He pissed me off.

            • LongtimeLurker

              What a ****ing tool.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              What an idiot that journalist must be!

            • oknow

              WHAT AN ASSHOLE!

            • Now that the Leah Remini bandwagon is building up momentum and attracting a lot of coverage from other outlets, there’s surely a motive to take it up. With such a big carrot in front of their faces, there has to be some reason for them to ignore it.

              I’m not sticking with the ‘fear of litigation’ argument – but I would like to know about the “whatever reason”. I imagine you would, too.

              That said, the culture of the paper could just have decided that Scientology isn’t a significant story.

            • joan nieman

              Certainly they should be all over these stories. This is a clear picture of control and abuse. They have used their “religious” cloak to hide behind and their lawyers to make sure they are never exposed. People care, people do want to know what’s going down and what they can do about it. It needs to hit the big papers with the greatest population of readers. I am so thankful that you kept on every move the freaks have made in the past years Tony. You are a warrior and your army is growing. You ” get it” and unfortunately, no one is able to match what you have done. You deserve the utmost of praise for your persistent investigative

              attention to this ugly organization.

            • joan nieman

              Somehow the format of my words got all out of whack!

            • LeeAnneClark

              Disinterest doesn’t seem to be an adequate explanation. Covering Scientology these days gets attention – people ARE interested. I can’t help but assume there’s something more sinister going on. And given how much money SCN has, I expect $$$ plays a large role.

            • Jgg2012

              Another problem is that witnesses (ex-members) are reluctant to talk to journalists, making it tougher to cover than, say, a fire downtown or a Trump tweet, where there are no shortage of people commenting. Remini may blow that hole wide open.

            • DexterSka

              And a lot of people believe what the church says about the people that do speak out. Some of the ex members do seem a little untrustworthy. Apparently there were more than a few grains of truth in that pearl of a story the church tells about Marty Rathbun.

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              Did you mean a lot of OSA people believe and even more scientologists subject to the tyrant’s cultic habits of information control are thought controlled, like I was for decades, also believe the attempt at double curving dead agenting comment you posted. Such tactics are well deliniated by Mike Rinder who was well trained to use those “arts of war” ‘ religious ‘ in the activities of always attack. In case you haven’t realized individuals can and do drop the scamming habit and start dealing with specifics which are actual facts. Do you have some quotes for us from someone who not under the thought control of Hubbard and his despicable “charity”. It is okay for anyone to break free. What will you do?

              ( dammed auto correct )

            • Jgg2012

              Ex-members can be dishonest, just as lawsuits can be frivolous. The LA Times, however, prints allegations in a lawsuit as factual (rather than saying “the plaintiff alleges”) so why won’t they at least investigate these stories about CoS?

            • DexterSka

              Because they are a rag that is too offensive to even let my pet bird do his business on.

            • Jgg2012

              25% of their space is reserved for the Kardashians. They are more important than Scientology, aren’t they?

            • Lambchopsuey

              Cults always deride and defame any members who leave. The typical character assassination attempts involve such allegations as:

              – egocentrism “She didn’t get as much attention as she wanted, so she left” “He had a personality conflict with his leaders, didn’t want to hear the truth, so he left”
              – mental illness
              – too much “dark side” or negative personality traits
              – jealous.

              Don’t ask me why, that “jealous” thing keeps cropping up. And don’t think this is unique to fringe groups; you see it in mainstream religions cults as well. Notice how Christians always assign really weird and disparaging “explanations” for why people left their churches or left Christianity altogether – and the strangest thing is that they never ask those who left WHY they left! They prefer to just make shit up!

              So I am EXTREMELY skeptical about there being any basis for DexterSka’s second sentence here:

              And a lot of people believe what the church says about the people that do speak out. Some of the ex members do seem a little untrustworthy.

            • DexterSka

              The only person that has me wondering about the basis of the Church’s claims is Marty Rathbun. He seems so devious and nothing he does makes any sense.

            • Wesley

              Your straw argument slander against Christianity is abjectly lacking in evidence. (I welcome you to cite a single example supporting your false claim.) While it may not be atypical for a cult to try to hold members against their respective wills, no true Christian church leader would engage in such ridiculous and anti-Christian behavior. If someone in such a position did, it is virtually certain that they were not born again anyway.

            • April Moonlight

              maybe they infiltrated the times like they did with fbi offices and so forth, their people have jobs there maybe, in positions of power..? well, it could be a possibility.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              That is what I am thinking also, April. That the LA Times, like the LAPD, has been “safe pointed” as the Co$ cult calls it.

            • Jgg2012

              I was just talking about this with a free lance writer. Yes, the LA Times and local TV news stations aren’t shy about picking on cops (LAPD, LASO etc.) though I wonder what would happen if these newscasters were speeding on their way home. Would they get a large fine? Anyway, people here DO ignore Scientology. Why? Tom Cruise might be standing 100 feet away (unlikely, but critics are spied on); They are tired of talking about cults (there were 945, 999 cults here before Scientology); no one, such as the IRS, does anything to them; everyone knows that CoS is a horrible organization (that’s why the Santa Monica, Malibu orgs closed and the Valley is going nowhere.). So, we don’t talk about them in LA. but the rest of the world should be warned about them. In San Bernadino, they are not well known; Rachel apparently knew nothing about them. The SB newspapers and police should look into them.

            • Debra

              It’s past that. A life is involved.

            • gtsix

              Effective safe-pointing.

            • dungeon master

              It’s like Obi-wan waved his hand in front of their heads and said ‘There’s nothing to see here. Move along.’ And the storm troupers looked at one another and did what he said. Where’s that Jedi master in LA? I’d like to sic the whole bunch of registered Jedi believers against him. Bad Jedi!

            • gtsix
            • joan nieman

              That’s not unlike the LAPD police. ” Move along, nothing to see here”.

            • LeeAnneClark

              I think it’s more like Obi-wan waved huge piles of cash in front of their heads. But that’s just speculation. I can’t think of any other reason.

          • Chewkacca

            Oh yes it does. They were specifically threatened. This will come out once the FBI grabs DM and it’s safe to speak out.
            SNOOOURT!

          • Jgg2012

            The potential cost of litigation hasn’t stopped the Bunker from covering it.

          • Debra

            Someone there is being paid to cover. Obviously.

        • ze moo

          The clampire can’t afford the attention that any lawsuit would bring. The LA Times problem is that they don’t want to have a lawyer vet any story. I can’t think that $cientology wields any great influence on any media these days. Something at the LA Times is preventing any real story. Safe pointed or what?

        • Harpoona Frittata

          That’s exactly the kind of brutally amoral cost/benefit algorithm that seems to be determining things here!

          Perhaps the antidote to this kind of craven cowardliness in journalism would be the publication of a story which focuses in on how long it’s been since $cn actually engaged in the kind of vexatious litigation that has cost publishers millions to defend against in the past. They certainly HAVE gone after plenty of folks in the past with the intent, not even of winning, but of just costing the defendants so much in legals fees that they’d feel the pain regardless of the civil suit’s outcome.

          However, in more recent times, the cherch has been a toothless tiger, roaring loudly when they found out about Lawrence Wright’s book, Going Clear, and Alex Gibney’s documentary, based on Wright’s book, and Leah’s A&E series, but never following through with any civil suit. I forget where I read it, but someone noted that the risk of getting sued by $cn was almost non-existent if you made sure to feature DM in the story, because the very last thing that he wants is to have to testify in open court or be deposed under oath. Apparently, the lose-lose forced choice there of either perjuring himself or answering truthfully about his many acts of felony assault and the like override the potential for sadistic pleasure he’d feel in initiating vexatious litigation…which is just the kind of amoral cost/benefit analysis that lil davey and his high-dollar team of legal weasels are certain to be engaging in all the time.

          Like Leah said, “Go ahead, sue me bitches…bring it!” Love a girl who’s willing to get right in the face of the cult! It’s high time that traditional news sources, such as the L.A. Times, came to PT and started doing their job in reporting on the cult!

          • I would only say that the difference today is that they won’t sue well-resourced organisations that are evidently willing to fight back.

            They are quite happy to bleed individuals who sue them dry, however, as a number of long-running civil cases demonstrate.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Absolutely! There’s a bright line difference between the cherch in its role as a defendant in civil suit action brought against it by individuals and their willingness to initiate civil court action as a plaintiff.

              The cherch’s willingness to spend tens of millions of dollars trying to drain the resources of individuals who they’re fully aware have been harmed by the cult’s policies and actions is both morally unconscionable and in direct violation of the conditions under which they were given federal tax exempt status. Elron was crystal clear about how to treat anyone that are perceived to be enemies of $cn; they are not just to be defended against, but to be utterly destroyed, which is exactly what the cherch has spent tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, on doing for many decades now.

            • I think that behaviour functional in pre-Internet days, because it has a deterrent effect. Consequently, although it cost a fortune you didn’t have to do it very often, so it saved you money in the long run.

              Now that the media world is fragmented, deterrence isn’t working any more, and Scientology does not have the organisational ability to fight on multiple fronts, even if it was willing to spend stupendous sums of money and expose itself to terrible PR.

              Scientology’s promotional efforts have apparently already given up on recruiting the public and now concentrates on maintaining an illusion for the remaining members. This seems to be another phase in that withdrawal.

              They will no longer go to court to ‘defend the faith’ but will fight to the death to prevent anyone establishing a precedent regarding (for example) refunds of money and the practice of forced abortion.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              It’s a very good point! Print and television news media were much more monolithic back in the pre-internet days. Now, anyone and everyone can break news stories and, if they’re done well enough and of current interest, they will go viral and be read by hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

              As lil davey the foolish learned first hand in trying to stop Anonymous, the internet is just so much bigger and more shadowy than anyone could ever hope to stop. Indeed, trying to stop it, just brings more attention to that which you were trying to keep private!

              The cult’s contracting on some of the most important fronts there are. And with an already small and aging group of milked whales and tired celebs, if no one new is coming in the doors and getting onto the bridge, then cult is already in a death spiral that it appears can not be pulled out from.

              I’d just like to see it plow into the ground a little faster and spare those connected with it the kind of pain that so many others have already suffered.

            • The fundamental problem is that the whole deal depends on keeping members social isolation, and demonising wider society , so even when they are in the world they are not of it.

              It would be simple to persuade people to engage and encourage them to take a wider perspective if it were measures ranging from scare stories to actual physical confinement.

              At the moment, Scientology recruitment must have about ground to a halt for all practical purposes. One of objectives of the Anonymous protests has been effectively achieved. The question is how do we approach the next phase and reach the people inside.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              “The question is how do we approach the next phase and reach the people inside.”
              I agree, it should be a multi-pronged approach and one that doesn’t count on government agencies intervening or any other outside efforts, such as Leah’s series, doing the job.

              Although I would never suggest giving up on anyone who’s in the cult, no matter how long that they’ve been members, I do feel like most of the focus and resources should be on prevention first, by inoculating at-risk youth, such as $cilon family’s teenage children. And it should also be on getting those young folks who have only been in the cult for a short time out of it.

              Because $cn truly is a “prison of belief” the virtual bars that folks erect to imprison themselves grow stronger over time and as they become more isolated from their non-$cilon friends and the outside world in general.

              Also, creative campaigns to “danger point” $cn and hold it up to ridicule and mockery should be utilized. After all, no one wants to be associated with “The cruelest religion on earth” or explain why they believe in Lord Xenu and space alien spirit possession to their peers 😉

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              How about De-stress tables next to the Scientology stress test tables and or a flyer with the Message from The 20 year Captain of Flag Debbie Cook and long time head of OSA Mike Finder to all scientologists given to the scientology stress test volunteers. Might that help or do we need to get more creative to reach those inside like ” Huge Bridge Discounts now available, look inside! “

        • Debra

          A life

      • mockingbird

        Wow. Obviously you have a definite opinion on them. I would be fascinated to hear all the details on the blunders or indifference various police officers and government officials have shown in not dealing with Scientology. I am sure you, Mark Bunker and several other good journalists know far more than we readers will ever hear. I hope this gets exposed more eventually.

        • Tony Ortega

          The only story the LA Times has done about Scientology since 2005 that is worth anything was a story that Lisa Marie Presley dropped in their laps and that they couldn’t ignore. (The April 2015 story about private eyes arrested and admitting they were tailing Ron Miscavige, and a recent follow up to it.)

          The only time the Times showed any interest or initiative on its own in the last DECADE to cover a Scientology story was when it reported on a lunatic threatening David Miscavige in pointless phone calls.

          Believe me, I keep track of this shit. The Los Angeles Times is hopeless right now.

          • Noesis

            As a point of coincidence, biotech billionaire Patrick Soon-Shiong is now the largest shareholder of the parent company of the LA Times.

            http://labusinessjournal.com/news/2016/nov/23/soon-shiong-ups-stake-l-times-parent/

            I wonder if he knows any other cancer-drug biotech billionaires that also have interest in South Africa…or possibly shared LP status in a VC firm or two or even an interlocking BOD or philanthropic entity relationship ?

            Pure speculation, of course.

            • Follow. The. Money.
              Autocorrect put in “Monkey” instead of “Money.” In which case, follow the monkey, if there is one. That would be cool. Sure, PETA would freak out, but I love monkeys, especially business monkeys in tiny suits with tiny briefcases. So easily bribed with inexpensive fruit and shiny objects.

            • ze moo

              Sounds like Trumpy’s cabinet. Minus the tiny breifcases. Tiny things are reserved for the Trump. They make his hands look bigger.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I sure hate it when I have money on my back.

            • Noesis

              Sounds like monkey business to me.

            • Gus_Cox

              Everybody’s got something to hide, except me and my monkey.

            • John Prince

              ..happiness is a warm gun 🔫

            • SP Wannabe

              Noey, would you mind defining the acronyms you used in this post, pretty please? I don’t think I’m the only one who, while I understand what you’re “getting at”, is a little confused by them. The comments are coming fast and furious, and I’ll forget to Google ’em by the time I get caught up.

            • Noesis

              Sure.

              VC = Venture Capital firm (a pile of money invested jointly by the management of a firm) that solicits it’s investments funds [capital] from others. There are usually folks with specific industry domain experience and financial savvy managing / investing the funds. There is a GP (General Partner) who is the lead dog and who has a greater financial stake in (and liability for) the overall success of the fund.

              LP = Limited Partner – a person who provides cash (as capital) for investments made by a Venture Capital fund. These people are usually fairly wealthy and their invested cash is at risk in the funds in which they invest, while their liability is fairly low (except for investment losses that may occur.) It is fairly normal for a Family Office (or a wealthy person) to supply investment capital to multiple VC funds.

              BOD = Board of Directors

              Interlocking BOD = a situation where a single Director sits on multiple company Boards and thus is aware of events and can exercise influence in several companies at one time. (This is often an area where conflicts of interest may exist or may be thought to exist.) It is common for a person from a VC firm that has made a significant investment in an early stage company to have one or more Board members in that company…watching over their investment.

              As a for instance…because Google has manufactured quite a few millionaires..those millionaire often leave Google and invest some of their cash in starting new VC firms. Sometimes they also become BOD members of the companies in which their VC firms invest. It is not uncommon for multiple BOD members from different VC firms all to have an earlier background (and to know each other) from their days working together at Google.

              Netting it out – wealthy people in Silicon Valley (and other tech centers) often know each other and look out for each others’ interest…in ways that are not always obvious to everyone else. Buying newspapers is a favorite hobby of wealthy folks – because they then get to meddle in how the “news” about themselves and their friends (and enemies) is reported in their pet publications.

              Hope that helps.

          • joan nieman

            We all know that Shelly is not doing well and that she has been abused inhumanly by being stripped of
            her social life and close friends. It is sickening and deplorable. Shelly doesn’t seem to be in any shape to say whether or not she agrees with her imprisonment and harsh treatment. She fears more repercussions. It just stabs at one’s heart. I have no doubt that Rachel has seen Shelly. This is the door opening slowly on it’s own. Thank you Rachel for caring. This is big.

            • Apollinair

              I’m impressed no one attending to Shelly or involved with her imprisonment has come forward after 11 years. Why haven’t those high officials know after spending 25 years with DM? No matter what they say, as long as they keep the very top secret, they are ok.

              So I assume she is in a cell and food is just pushed through a slit and no one knows who the hell is in there?

              So DM has a fortress no one can get into. OBL was found, but Shelly is still missing? Yes, DM must be even bigger than a dictator, master terrorist?

            • dchoiceisalwaysrs

              I suppose 5 or 10 individuals or even twenty taking a cruise through the commercial district asking staff of local business establishments might help locate a missing old friend from church .

          • BeeTee

            Comment removed– I overlooked the fact that Tony mentioned the story about Miscavige Sr. being spied on in his original post.

        • Chewkacca

          It will. And when it’s exposed, HEADLINES, HEADLINES, and MORE HEADLINES.
          WAAAUGN!

      • Jeb Burton

        As sad as it is, LA Times and all newspapers for that matter, are a shell of what they were. In my opinion it would get more run if the story was picked up by TMZ or somebody like that. Even theTampa Bay Times has had little or nothing I’ve seen about Leah’s series.

      • John Prince

        Go Get ‘EM Mr. O !!!@/$#&*

        newsflash comming on the Shelly story ..everyone can feel it ..
        tension mounting
        ..something HAS to Happen now,

        • dungeon master

          From your lips to Sweet Baby Xenu in his Manger! Please make it so!

        • Favorite scene from “Nurse Betty”:
          “She’s in trouble, you have to do something!”
          “You don’t understand. We’re the police. We don’t have to do a damn thing.”

      • Oh, they’re a Big, Fancy Paragon of Real Journalism™ and won’t bother to deal with “tabloid” subjects like Scientology, which they evidently see in the same category as weeping statues and Chupacabra sightings. If they bothered to spend any time here, read your book, or watch Leah’s amazing television show, they might change their tune. Okay, I know they’ve probably done that, and there are journos chomping at the bit to take on trafficking, money laundering and slavery in their own backyard, but someone in the executive suite is stopping them.

        Keep up the pressure, sir.

      • Chewkacca

        Hey Tony, we excuse the “French”, but WHEN, WHEN, OH WHEN is the LAT going to do a real story on the Co$!?
        I think the reason why is a Co$ mission was sent to the LAT where they showed editors what happened to Time magazine after they published “The Cult of Greed and Fear”. The resulting harassment and lawsuits ended up costing Time $500 million. Time won all the lawsuits but “lost” $500K. That is not chump change, especially for the LAT, which has been barely scraping along for years. They couldn’t be sued for the Lisa Marie Presley story because they just parroted something that was already out there. Same with Ron Miscavige.
        About Shelly: She is a prisoner. If she is out of the compound, and didn’t run away screaming, she is being forced to take psychiatric drugs. Any interview by the FBI should include a blood test, and an interview of whoever “prescribed” those drugs. And interviews of her two jailers, I mean “handlers”.
        So, it won’t be the LAT, it will be the tabloids, with headlines like “Cult Leader Drugs and Imprisons Wife While Snorkeling in the Pants of Assistant!” and “Hubby Locks Up Wife While Living High!” “Poor Bedraggled Wife Languishes While Hubby Parties!”
        So the important thing to remember here is “blood test”.
        Don’t expect the LAT to grow a pair. Of course, after the FBI grabs DM, it will be open season. But no real reporting. The tabloids will do it first.
        WOOOAAH!

      • DexterSka

        Crazy to think that the news has so little integrity

      • Jgg2012

        People have been asking that for 20 years.

      • J. Swift

        IMO, many Angelenos do not understand what the Los Angeles Times is or does. The paper does not have relevance in the daily life of Los Angeles. In the past thirty years, at least thirty years or more, I have never once stopped to ask myself, “What does the Los Angeles Times have to say about (fill in the blank)?” I use to enjoy reading the LAT on Sundays with coffee but then Xenu in his treachery brought the internet to this planet and I no longer needed a newspaper.

        At present, the Los Angeles Times hides behind a paywall online and so there is really no point in trying to access it online unless one wants to pay for a subscription.

        • ze moo

          I just clear my cookies and I get the 3 or 5 stories you are allotted. It is the quality of the journalism at the LA Times that makes them unworthy of my time.

          • J. Swift

            Here is a winning idea: David Miscavige should buy the Los Angeles Times and make it a part of Scientology Media Productions. By doing this, Miscavige could have a newspaper just like Reverend Moon did.

            The new “Scientology Los Angeles Times” would guarantee FailCult Int’l 100% great PR everyday. Tommy Davis, he of blue suede shoe fame, could be brought in to head the Op Ed section. Karin Pouw would be posted at the City Desk.

            http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/11/26856FDC00000578-0-image-a-57_1426037727506.jpg

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          Do the institutions of higher learning have any students taking classes in the history of real journalism? It might be beneficial for them to augment their curriculum with an invitation to Tom Cruise to get the real history of a beautiful religion as a media journalistic propaganda tool to take over groups and all forms of ” useful idiot safepointed goverments.

      • Chee Chalker

        Tony,
        Several years ago the Los Angeles Times received a photo of David Miscavige, the ecclesiastical leader of the ever expanding Church of Scientology, with Tom Cruise, the worlds greatest actor.
        This photo utterly annihilated the credibility of the various bitter defrocked apostates.
        They wore matching leather jackets and sat on Ducati motorcycles
        This proves all critics are just jealous that David Miscavige is really cool and hangs out with Tom Cruise

      • Debra

        Never . Go above their head. #$

    • TexasBroad

      I am curious as to who these “some people” are who have the power to move the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office to act and I hope they do so.
      I think the church attorneys have something to answer for as well if Shelly is in bad shape, although I am sure they can deny knowing her condition and that they were relying upon information from their client.

      • The CoS attorneys should have had to go on record about what they were actually saying, but the welfare check seems to have been blown off, and there won’t be a paper trail for that.

    • You can be sure they will have their asses covered.
      They will accept no responsibility.
      “We did everything by the book.”

      • Alice Graves

        Yeah a la Lisa McPherson.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Journalist by day, crime-fighter by…also…day…

      Needs work.

      • dungeon master

        Hey, Superman worked at a newspaper. So did Spiderman. It’s a convenient place for Super Heroes to find trouble.

      • MarcabExpat

        I don’t think he sleeps, I really don’t.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Or there’s two of him.

          • SP Wannabe

            Or the cats can research and the wrinkly SharPei can type. Hey, Tony’s extraordinary, why should his furry owners be otherwise?

            (I’m trying to keep my sense of humor, here, otherwise my rage will give me ulcers. Again.)

            • LongtimeLurker

              The rage. I hear that.

          • I have seen many like him.

          • Gladys Kravitz

            my theory is that he has one of those time turners hermione used in the harry potter books….

            • LongtimeLurker

              Oh yeah…

        • TheMirrorThetan

          Tony is an android – he doesnt need sleep. Just the occasional power down for repairs. 🙂

      • itsIBBy

        you tried

    • FredEX2

      My cousin recently retired from the San Bernadino Sheriff’s Office after over 30 years of service. I am contacting him today with every piece of info available. He is close with current staff and other authorities.

      • joan nieman

        Good plan FredEX2.

        • Chewkacca

          EXCELLENT!! Every piece of the puzzle will add a year to DM’s sentence.

          GNOOOURFF!

      • LeeAnneClark

        Popping popcorn! Do let us know what happens!

    • Asillem4

      Blow them up on Twitter. That’s where I’m headed with this blog post.

    • Jgg2012

      “if Shelly is brought out in bad shape, how will it look” It will look like all the other scandals under Baca and his henchman. In other words, no one here in LA will be surprised.

      • Missionary Kid

        Baca was L.A. County sheriff. Tony said San Bernardino County Sheriff. Different jurisdictions. Different sheriffs.

        • Jgg2012

          To clarify: Remini filed the missing person statement in the City LA, but the LAPD located her in Arrowhead (San Bernadino Cty.) so the SBPD was contacted and participated as well.
          Baca was a head of LASO (LA County, outside the City limits) who went to prison, and the LAPD has had numerous scandals, most notably regarding the treatment of prisoners, and here in LA County we are quite familiar with both of them (the LA Times is NOT shy about covering bad cops, the way it I shy about covering cults). I should, however, have been clearer because LASO and LAPD are separate.

    • RSF32

      Won’t matter a hill of beans if Shelly say’s she is staying there voluntarily.

    • GhostOfFloBarnette

      Tony, you are Scientology kryptonite. Keep up the good work. 🙂

    • An idea that must be worth trying:
      Sending certified packages with Signature Confirmation Receipt to Shelly Miscavige, Heber Jentzsch, and any others suspected or known to be held captive at CST, or The Hole or any RPF. Send with a postage-paid return envelope for the mailing of the receipt. Include instructions for the postal carrier, US Postal Service/ FedEx, UPS, to only deliver to named individual. In the case of USPS, instructions indicating that it is a federal crime to open another person’s mail.

      This would be followed by requesting a federal investigation into the illegal opening of mail by OSA in the case of Shelly, Heber, and all RPF and other Sea Org members: https://www.reference.com/business-finance/penalty-opening-someone-else-s-mail-9e76d1d9d8aa1358 <–5 years in prison for each offense. Marry this effort to a letter-writing campaign to the Postmaster General from all the Ex-SCN folks who have either first hand knowledge that their mail was opened or tampered with, and even those Ex-OSA folks who may have perpetrated the crime and are willing to testify for immunity.

      This is an Al Capone / The Firm type of strategy… Enforcement of existing laws seems to me the best way to stop the larger abuses, and any investigation that brings the feds in can only expose other violations.

    • Debra

      Make it front page news

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Real World:
    When two spoons love each other very much,
    sometimes they have a little baby spoon.

    Dave’s World:
    Lock her up in an isolated compound.
    Her crime?
    Changes to the Org Board, FFS

    Bowie wrote this for you, Dave

    Changes
    Ch ch ch ch Changes
    (Turn and face the strange)
    Ch ch Changes
    Turn and face the strain
    I wanna be a richer man
    Ch ch ch ch Changes
    (Turn and face the strange)
    Ch ch Changes
    Just gonna have to be indifferent, man
    Crime may change me
    But they can’t trace my crime

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3edfdf574a347a8d956f14c9dd7c61c35c8defe7477c2139fbcdf446bd90966b.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d90bd8d60497e319b505c88c24e68fc5c6c2a2481288aded9e39cb7850ed117.jpg

  • mockingbird

    Good morning Bunkeroos.

    I feel bad for Shelly Miscavige, whether she is legitimately gaunt and suffering or merely hidden away. I know I don’t want anyone to go through the abuse and deception Scientology offers. I have seen some exes bitterly criticize her but honestly don’t have any hate in my heart for her. Being married to David Miscavige must have been a living hell.

    I hope she is healthy or at least alive. I hope she can someday be free from Scientology and David Miscavige too. I don’t know what anyone can do besides continuing to expose her story and put pressure on governments regarding Scientology in general and her case where appropriate.

    I just saw Chris Shelton’s latest video and found it to be really good. He gets to a lot of important points quickly and clearly. I highly recommend it.

    • “Hamster wheel”, that one stuck! /punches air!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      ” I have seen some exes bitterly criticize her but honestly don’t have any hate in my heart for her.”

      I don’t either. She’s a doubly unfortunate soul for having been raised as a child at the epicenter of the cult and for having married lil davey the raging midget. As such, it’s like having been born into a mafia family, then marrying the son of the mafia boss as a teenager…not a lot of humans are going to surmount those circumstances.

      Folks who were directly harmed by her have every right to hate her and refrain from forgiving her for acts that she’s not yet come to understand were wrong, if they so choose. For me, though, hate and enmity are a poison that makes life toxic and not worth living, so I’ll just think of her as just another lost soul who had the very great misfortune to have encountered $cn at the age that she did and in the specific circumstances that led her to be caught up in lil davey the sadistic’s evil world.

  • Jimmy3

    You keep your wife prisoner now, but when the other footbullet-riddled John Lobb drops, you will be the prison wife. And they won’t have any trouble finding you.

    • joan nieman

      Yes indeed.

    • Chewkacca

      DM’s prison nickname: Leroy’s Lay. Or Mohammed’s Momma. Maybe Benny’s Bitch. Bend over and EARN those nicknames, Davey.
      OWOOUUCH!

  • Rasha

    There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always — do not forget this, Winston — always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.

    *looks up, startled*

    Huh? Oh, I’m sorry, just some light reading. So, what were we — Oh! Yes. Shelley. I wonder what’s become of her…….

    • LongtimeLurker

      Worst older sibling ever.

  • Barney Shells

    What Leah may want to consider doing is asking the officials for a “welfare check”. When requested, it is their job to go out and do a better assessment of Shelly and her environment and well being and to take action if necessary.

    • That’s what she originally asked for. A welfare check is very limited in scope, but LAPD seems to blown it off.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • FredEX2

      Photo of the day!!!

  • dungeon master

    The fact that they let her out to go to the store says to me she’s got cabin fever so bad they have to throw her a little excursion once in awhile to calm her down. But why didn’t the idiot handlers not brush her hair and make her look a little less like a POW?

    • Graham

      Perhaps they did?

      • dungeon master

        Scary.

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT
    Have I forgotten anyone for that “thing”?

    You know the “thing”?

    Let me know.

    • Princess Squishy

      have you posted on Twitter today?

      • LongtimeLurker

        No, I’m behind. I was just locked out of my hotel for 3 hours at 3am (my life is a joke).

        Did I miss something?

        • DoveAlexa

          * pat pat*

          • LongtimeLurker

            t’ank ‘oo

            Lurker had poopy week.

            • itsIBBy

              (f5) Dog 2 moonlights as a therapy dog and we were visiting some people. Another friend of mine works for the veterans association.
              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/79c4e381c45bc91897a4181bd4dbd47e3fabbfbab93b4314e98f75959ce736fe.jpg

            • LongtimeLurker

              She got her work clothes on?

            • itsIBBy

              yep! shes a wiggle worm so she has a stronger than usual harness with an “oh shit” handle on the back so I can grab her, but she does really well with kids, and the vets we met when we went were really happy to see her. I’m part of a group of doggo moms and dads that visit when we can. I wish i could do it more but I work a lot

            • LongtimeLurker

              It sounds like you’re doing a lot. Certainly more than me currently, and I work f-all.

              Oh shit handle +1.

            • itsIBBy

              one time not to long ago a friend reached back and pulled me out of some bad stuff (abusive relationship, poor life choices, etc) So I try to devote as much as I can to paying it forward, reaching back and pulling others out of their bad stuff. its really good for my sense of self worth, which can feel fractured at times

            • LongtimeLurker

              Those friends are good friends to have.

            • Princess Squishy
            • LongtimeLurker

              Oohh, regal! Thanks.

            • itsIBBy

              I really love your tree! (and your pooch)

            • Princess Squishy

              Thanks, here is the full tree, I think it is the prettiest its ever been. I decorated only with ball ornaments and a couple of oval shaped glass ones with a glass item on the inside of it. I also put on so many lights and lots of garland. Can you spot the one non-ball (or ball-like) ornament?
              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/14241852fc9733bdb7c1f6e2564bd729a9b451dd1c3e26bed48e74ad57e3f085.jpg

        • Princess Squishy

          Not that I know of I was just wondering if there was anything for me to retweet

          • LongtimeLurker

            You’re lovely aren’t you.

            I’ll have look after I eat my 3am mac n cheese.

            Am I following you? eta – on Twitter I mean.

            • Princess Squishy

              I don’t know. I’m @hippiehannah1

        • Princess Squishy

          and that sounds like something that would happen to Mr. Squishy

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Is that right? Please, sit down and pick up the cans. Now, exactly what were you doing out at 3 a.m. in the middle of the night? Was there liquor involved? Did you meet up with any strange women, or even men, during that evening? After discovering that you were locked out at 3 a.m., did you have any negative thoughts about DM, our Dear leader, or take Lord Xenu’s name in vain?”

          • LongtimeLurker

            No liquor.

            Went to nearby convenience store for midnight snack.

            Only strange woman was the one I scared asking if I could tag along on her key card.

            Yes. I totally had negative thoughts about DM while sitting on the cold steps.

            …it fell apart at the end there…

            • Harpoona Frittata

              I need you to pick up the cans here before we continue your interrogation, err, voluntary and completely confidential confessional, aimed at freeing you as a spiritual being 😉

        • Vaquera

          I know the feeling. Too bad Jimmy3 wasn’t there to rescue you, too.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I had no money, or phone. What a chump.

            And then I scared the hell out of the nice lady I asked to let me in.

            Eating ice cream and drinking free wine at 4am now, tho’ , yay!

    • FredEX2

      Think I’m out of the loop 🙁

    • Rasha
      • LongtimeLurker

        Man is the warmest place to hide.

        May be in my top 10 favorite films. If I had a top 10.

      • Chee Chalker

        Kuba Ka?

  • Observer

    The changes Shelly made which got her banished were simply taking care of things her husband had been griping about. She was trying to do him a favor, and he rewarded her with imprisonment. In Scientology, no good deed goes unpunished. Bad deeds are rewarded.

    • I wonder if she didn’t do exactly what he had set her up to do. I wonder if he wasn’t getting mad that it was taking her so long to take the bait.

      • Techie

        That it was a setup is likely, but the whole story is strange. I was already gone when it happened, but I remember seeing the Gold Organizing Board one day in 2005 – all the little magnetic stickers had been scrambled around and piles of them were up at the top, where it says “L Ron Hubbard Founder”. Note of explanation: you get a little sticker with a dymo tape label (not P-Touch, real 60s style Dymo) that has your name and numbers that tell your training level. It is magnetic, and the whole Organizing Board is magnetic so the sticker goes where you are assigned. Seeing the org board all scrambled up took me aback a bit until I realized Dave must have done it in a rage and nobody dared to touch it after he did it. The point being that all the personnel assignments were “floating up the org board” for Dave to handle. But the story of Shelley staying behind to “handle the Org Board” while Dave was elsewhere is just weird. They always went together everywhere. She must have gotten into trouble already before this trip and was trying to redeem herself. Big mistake to try to handle the “personnel” problem, Dave had it thoroughly pegged as impossible to handle and was using it as an excuse for all kinds of wild flailing for decades. It is like carefully explaining how to repair the garbage disposal to your wife while she is raging about how horrible it is. In that situation, no answer except “yes dear, that is terrible dear, how awful” will be accepted. A variant of “mansplaining”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg

        • Missionary Kid

          I believe that Ratcavige purposely kept the org board in chaos. By doing that, everyone stays uncertain of their status, so are more compliant.

          It’s the mark of an authoritarian organization where the dear leader at the top keeps everyone fighting to gain favor with them. It’s inefficient and wasteful as hell, but the leader stays on top by dividing any opposition.

          • Which is why the Third Reich was such an organisational mess, composed of ministries with overlapping responsibilities under minions who constantly went outside of their remits and did each other down in order to curry favour.

            Just as well really. A feasible ‘dirty bomb’ using radioactive materials didn’t get far in this administrative chaos after being researched by the German post office.

          • joan nieman

            ” Ratcavage” to the top of the list please. That describes him quite adequately.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            It’s the mark of an authoritarian organization where the dear leader at the top keeps everyone fighting to gain favor with them. It’s inefficient and wasteful as hell, but the leader stays on top by dividing any opposition.

            Like the… Trump transition team… ?

        • April

          That video makes a great point, but very few of life’s problems have a solution that is as straight forward as removing a nail from your head.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Exactly. All this over a damn org board and some redecoration. Basically, something every wife does. How many lifetimes would you or I be banished for by now? LOL

      • It’s possible that he didn’t really want the org board filled. As long as it’s not filled, Int was in a condition of Perpetual Galactic Emergency (whatever) and libs and pay were restricted.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Nothing would surprise me with that idiot. His ability to turn something small into a huge footbullet is unprecedented.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Seriously! Well and others were busted off post or thrown into the hole, so why’d she end up “disappeared?!” So he could hang out w/the girlfriend? And Lou (sp?) is one $cibot for whom I have NO sympathy! From assisting DM in his abuses daily to the disappearance of Shelly and all that happened w/her ex-husband, she deserves to live out her “retirement” behind bars! Hope she realizes what WILL happen once he decides he’s done with their relationship… Xenu knows she shouldn’t be surprised!

        • SP Wannabe

          I agree, but I have a world of pity for her. If the SOB can get away with disappearing his WIFE, cutting her off from everyone she’s ever known, and keeping her under his guards and his control for Over A DECADE, while he lives the high life with his celebrity pals, then…

          What’s he going to do to his MISTRESS when she spills the Macallan on the John Lobbs?

          (Apologies for the caps; I’m feeling a bit emphatic.)

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            I do understand why some may feel something for Lou, but after reading the accts of her ex-husband’s brother & what their family went through & knowing all she’s been party to, I truly have a very tough time feeling for her as she enjoys the fruits of her affair while her ex lays in a grave and her boyfriend’s ex has been exiled to a subhuman existence. It’s just NOT ok to me!

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            PS – SPW so it’s clear, any of my passion or anger is NOT directed at YOU by any means. I do understand why & I strive to be graceful because I don’t deserve the grace I’ve been shown, so that is directed towards my feelings about Lou and how she’s been able to compartmentalize enough to sleep at night. If she got out and tried to make up for that, I agree she deserves understanding… if she decides to go down w/the Captain (SOB… I mean C…) then no sympathy whatsoever!

      • April

        Wasn’t there also something about Shelley having his berthing renovated while he was away, and he got pissed that she removed his stuff in order to do so?

        • joan nieman

          Perhaps she found one of his dildos among his belongings?

    • Mark Foster

      This is true. One of many references that underscores your point is the book Introduction to Scientology Ethics. Ruthless pursuit of scientology’s goals and emotionless, robotic adherence to its policies are required and rewarded, per the numerous policies outlined in that book. KSW is in that book, too, by the way…
      The proof of scientology’s uselessness, venality, corruption, and hatefulness is contained in its very own “scriptures”.

    • DexterSka

      It’s really a big abusive relationship.

      • Been there. Done that.

        • DexterSka

          Scientology or another abusive relationship?

          • I lived with a partner who suffered from BPD, and went from high functioning to decompensation over a long, slow decade. I was that frog in the pot you hear so much about. It’s one of the reasons I’m so obsessed with the Scientology story and mind control. My only brush with Scientology was in 1979 when I was fair gamed by a guy I was dating. He never told me he was in a Scientologist family. I detailed it the other day after Nora’s awesome video.

            • DexterSka

              I wonder if there are any parallels between what draws us into abuse cults/relationships. I know that relationships are usually modelled by our parents, it stands to reason that cults work similarly.

            • Missionary Kid

              I can testify that I married a woman that had the same manipulative characteristics of my dad. When I was responsible for his care for the last years of his life, those characteristics were exaggerated, and I realized why I put up with someone like him: I was familiar with the situation.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Absolutely. Anybody else here raised in a mini-cult by a fucked up authoritarian father and a groveling follower of a mother training the kids to act like everything was normal? Or was that just my little fundamentalist Lutheran family?

            • DexterSka

              I think we all had a bit of that.

    • pluvo

      “The changes Shelly made which got her banished were simply taking care of things her husband had been griping about.”

      That was the problem – for DM. Shelly was “making it go right” and handled something which DM used as a reason to mistreat the staff because they ‘didn’t mange’ to handle it. He needs things to justify his behavior and to be cruel. He has sadistic tendencies and gets satisfaction from the suffering of others. One can see this when reading “Musical Chairs” and about “The Hole”. It was also about the org board.

      It was just another day in hell.

      We had been “restricted” to the CMO Int/WDC conference room for 2 months now. The basic R-factor
      (Reality Factor) was that until all org boards and postings for the Int Base,FB and Class V
      orgs were done, we were not allowed to leave. We had to sleep under our desks each night and food was brought in. We were allowed to go down to the Gold Estates Building for showers if we went down real early. We were not allowed to be around while other base staff were around.

      http://www.xenu-directory.net/accounts/blownforgood.html#Musical_chairs_INT_Base_style

      Shelly was “making COB wrong” when she showed that it CAN be handled. To “make COB wrong” is one of the biggest crimes one can perpetrate and it gets punished on the spot.

      That besides whatever else was going on.

  • FredEX2

    Anonorange posted this down thread: this is one of the penal codes that likely applies in Shelly’s situation. There are other laws that may count as well.

    California Penal Code, Section 236 defines false imprisonment as “the unlawful violation of the personal liberty of another” and Section 236.2 lists the following indicators of human trafficking:
    (a) Signs of trauma, fatigue, injury, or other evidence of poor care.
    (b) The person is withdrawn, afraid to talk, or his or her communication is censored by another person.
    (c) The person does not have freedom of movement.
    (d) The person lives and works in one place.
    (e) The person owes a debt to his or her employer.
    (f) Security measures are used to control who has contact with the person.
    (g) The person does not have control over his or her own government-issued identification or over his or her worker immigration documents.

    Surely there are laws that may also apply when law enforcement fails to take proper action…or acts with minimal effort with an obvious bias in favor of a rich cult.

  • TonyOrtega

    “Why would I hate you, when I merely despise you” — great line just now on TCM.

    Ah, when movies had dialogue.

    • DexterSka

      What movie is it from?

      • LongtimeLurker

        The Three Stooges Meet Hercules.

        • DexterSka

          I liked Hercules in New York better.

          • LongtimeLurker

            With dubbed Ahnuld?

            Classic.

            • I love old movies. My favorite line of all time comes from a movie I saw when I was a kid and I can’t find it anywhere. A clearly middle-class woman and her little boy are shopping in New York, circa 1935. It’s hot and she stops on a corner and takes off her hat. While she’s holding it, fixing her hair, a pencil-mustached swell stops, looks down at her and drops coins into her hat saying “here’s a dime for you and a penny for your monkey.”

            • Rasha

              That so rings a bell….. gonna bother me until I find it….

            • LongtimeLurker

              I tried some Google-fu.

              You’re up.

            • LongtimeLurker

              That’s really gonna bother me now.

              I think half my favorite films are pre-1990.

              Casablanca would be #2 or #3.

            • I”ve looked and looked. My sister remembers is too. We saw it together. I think it was Adophe Monjou or someone like him who said the line.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Argh!!!!

            • MarcabExpat

              Dammit, I’m an oldie-lover too and now that’s going to stick in my head til I come across it, if ever.

            • LongtimeLurker

              We’re all screwed!

            • Alice Graves

              And who can forget Nicolas Cage in Moonstruck: “We are here to ruin ourselves…and break our hearts and…and love the wrong people and…DIE.

              “Now I want you to come upstairs with me and GET in my bed!”

            • When Groucho Marx is tearing up a contract, decides to leave in the sanity clause after discarding everything else, and his brother says, “you can’t fool me. There ain’t no sanity clause”

            • Rasha

              There is nothing so fun as a night of Marx Brothers.

            • SP Wannabe

              Thanks for the chuckle – I needed that.

            • StudentOfLife

              Coicindence but I just watched last night with my daughter one of the best modern movies (I rate it a classic) with great dialogue: 1998’s “Dangerous Beauty.” It’s the real life story of Veronica Franco, a real life feminist heroine who was tried by the Inquisition. Much of the dialogue is taken from her published writings and journals. Below are some samples. My 25 year old daughter, who is wise beyond her years, was amazed at why this movie did not get more publicity (can you say Christian evangelicals who spread the word this was promoting “feminism” in a bad way). Check out some of the great quotes including probably the best pick up line ever offered to a woman of “faith” and one that was simply sublime, lol. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118892/quotes

            • DexterSka

              When I was a kid it seemed like a reasonable movie. I might of even felt like an intellectual for watching what was clearly classic cinema.

          • Eivol Ekdal

            “Hey Hoik!”

      • Libertylover

        The Right to Live 1935?

      • Rasha

        Mary Poppins – The Director’s Cut

        • DexterSka

          Oh right, it was that scene where she jumps off the dam to escape for the police.

          • MarcabExpat

            I haven’t seen it yet. Did they shoot her umbrella full of holes so she fell to her death? I want spoilers.

            • Rasha

              No, it was just before she jumps and deploys the wingsuit. Best grenade-tipped harpoon fight scene ever. They cut it for time, apparently.

            • DexterSka

              Nah, it was just her and the head detective and she jumped before the backup reached them. They assumed she died so it helped buy her time as she goes on trying to find the one armed man that framed her for the murder of her husband.

              I’m really shocked Disney removed her back story. It really adds a lot of depth to the character.

            • MarcabExpat

              I saw a YouTube documentary that showed through clips and frame analysis how she really was the murderer and she framed the one-armed man but the CIA covered it up. Study it out.

            • DexterSka

              The Internet is crazy, the new directors cut just comes out and people are already writing conspiracy theories.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Come on Tony “I live my life a quarter mile at a time” from The Fast and The Furious is pretty great.

      *barf*

      • Rasha

        hehe

      • kemist

        “I’m here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I’m all out of gum.”

        • LongtimeLurker

          They Live is better than Fast & Furious…

          …surely?

          • kemist

            That line alone makes it better.

            I watched just the first Fast & Furious. In a drive-in – it’s in Prince-Edward Island and must be one of the few remaining drive-ins in Canada. People go there for the nostalgic value, because they still show 1960-70s popcorn ads.

            Observing all those guys revving their engines after the movie was way more interesting than the movie itself.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Gear heads man. smh

        • Rasha

          Duke Nukem?

          • kemist

            It’s used there, but originally from this : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/

            • Rasha

              The “able to see aliens when others can’t” idea was also used in Buckaroo Banzai, which also spawned the great quote, “No matter where you go… there you are.”

              *checks own Bacon Number*

      • Princess Squishy
    • Rasha

      IKR???

    • Alice Graves

      “How can I miss you, when you won’t go away” – a Dan Hicks lyric. Another good one.

      • Sherbet

        “How could you believe me when I said I love you, when you know I’ve been a liar all my life?” They don’t write ’em like that anymore.

    • vicariousthrill

      yup.

    • vicariousthrill

      what are you watching?

    • Sherbet

      I’ve always loved this line from “Ace in the Hole” (aka “The Big Carnival”) — good movie, BTW, an indictment of sensationalist media in 1951 — spoken by the hard-as-nails, cold-fish wife, when told her husband is trapped in a cave and might not be rescued and she should be worried:

      “I don’t pray. Kneeling bags my nylons.”

    • Eivol Ekdal
  • Still_On_Your_Side

    From the description provided by Rachel, a welfare check must be conducted by the local police. I wonder how many other locals will come forward to confirm Shelly’s deteriorating appearance. I fear, however, that Miscavige will either lock her up tighter at CST and deny her the right to leave for any reason, or move her so she will never be found.

  • vicariousthrill

    Here’s what I’d love to see on TV, besides Leah’s series: a serious and in-depth exploration of L.Ron Hubbard’s psyche by psychologists and cult experts that would expose the reasons why scientology is fundamentally twisted and dangerous. Then I want Mark Bunker to put all his videos into series format so the public will have a relentless stream of proof that scientology is smoke and mirrors.

    • Missionary Kid

      What Leah is doing is far more effective than talking about some dead asshole. She’s telling human stories of abuse by $cientology. She’s showing the victims. We come here for the history and background as well as the drama, but Leah is illustrating the inhumanity of the system that LRH created, and that catches people’s attention, which is what is necessary.

      • stillgrace2

        ^^^^This is true.^^^^

      • I find the pathology of the “Dead asshole” (and others like him) fascinating – but it’s a subject that best suits a different media – books.

        Scientology is far from unique. High-control groups (and their gurus) will always be with us and there is a substantial literature on the subject.

        Leah’s series follows on, I think, from Phil and Willie’s billboard campaign. Draw the public in (and persuade them to listen to the huge back-story that you have to assimilate before you understand Scientology) with compelling human stories.

        The market for Scientology-watchers is just about covered. Leah’s series is about taking the abuse mainstream – and it seems to be working.

        • Missionary Kid

          Exactly.

      • vicariousthrill

        I agree with this totally, and I am in no way downplaying the power and significance of Leah’s show. I do think that it would be a good adjunct to her effort to see even deeper into scientology’s inception. All of these things will chip away at this entity until it crumbles completely.

        • Missionary Kid

          We here in the Bunker know the subject and history well, but it is difficult trying to explain the byzantine nature of LRH’s creation and DM’s ham-handed enforcement of those policies without getting bogged down. By starting with the human results of those policies, people are getting more and more hostile to Co$. Some will dig deeper, but the overall anger will have an effect.

          One result will be that Co$ will feel even more under siege, and it will unite the fewer and fewer $cientologists left, and make them even more paranoid. The few that are left will be even more dangerous.

          • Jeb Burton

            Yeah, nothing Leah’s shown on her program is a surprise to us who are aware of the cult. But she is great at unraveling the rabbit hole without making people tune out. I work with a lady who knows virtually nothing about the cult except Tom Cruise and she’s riveted to the series.

            • Missionary Kid

              Those are the people who are going to make a difference.

            • Jeb Burton

              I hope there are a lot of them

            • Juicer77

              ^^^

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m hearing interest from people who would never bother with the subject before.

  • nottrue

    …. i had people try to post today’s blog story there but no luck….https://twitter.com/VisitCrestline/with_replies

    • dungeon master

      I got a tl;dr string of tourist testimonies, but couldn’t find the end. Did you tweet something re:shelley?

  • John Prince

    Special Super-Wog Bulletin to tom cruise:
    I fear it is you mr. superbeing that SP’s will be reading about in History Books as the last moron to run around saluting pictures of elron. ..only Ms.Remini’s will be written LARGER. .Above yours. .because She had the Rank to help get it done! (maniacal phony-laughter)

  • A view of Scientology and the Aftermath from the gallery:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om70x-kwt0Q

    I haven’t seen any of this person’s videos to judge how good an observer he is, but he certainly gets it after watching the first two shows. (High speed, some profanity. General religion bashing at the end.)

    • DexterSka

      I didn’t watch the video, but if they have that condescending attitude most religion bashers have, it will really not help much.

      • Only at the end. It’s good to watch to see which points stuck with him.

        • DexterSka

          I was watching a video my girlfriend found on Facebook of a guy on her campus being asked about why he believes gay people cause war and famine. After 30 seconds the guy interviewing him started chewing him out and cursing at him. Really a shame. We need more people to give them the Louis Theroux treatment so we can see how they tick.

          • kemist

            It never works.

            All it does is confirm to them how bad outsiders are.

            There are valid criticisms of religions (I’m far from a fan myself), but you won’t achieve anything, in terms of changing bigotted behavior, by berating and cursing their members. You have to make them think around the dogma.

            I can understand the frustration though. It’s hard to stay calm and empathetic in the face of stupidity that needlessly harms others.

            • DexterSka

              When you’re part of a crazy group, the only people who show you empathy are the members of the crazy group. Nobody is ever nice once you open up about it.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        “I didn’t watch the video.”

        Then shut up. You have nothing to offer to the discussion.

        • madame duran

          He wasn’t discussing. He merely stated that he didn’t watch it. Ease up, lady.

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            Why would anyone do that?
            “We’re discussing A Tale of Two Cities.”
            “I didn’t read it, but here’s my two cents anyway.”

            Yeah, that makes a LOT of sense. And I’m not a lady.

            • It was the best of comments. It was the worst of comments.

            • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

              That got a LOL out of me IRL!

            • daisy

              ISWYDT- Tis a far better thing to ease up than to …… aw nevermind I cannot make it work

            • You’re doing better than me – I only realised that the ending would have worked too when I woke up this morning.

            • madame duran

              DexterSka’s “2 cents” was in direct response to RMycroft’s comment that the video contained religion bashing. DexterSka wasn’t giving a review of the unseen video; he was giving his OPINION about religion bashing. Was that not clear? Are you saying he’s not entitled to voice his thoughts? So, again I say, EASE UP…MAN!

              ETA:
              Unlike you, DexterSka didn’t tell the video author or anyone else to “shut up” from voicing their thoughts. He didn’t instruct others to not watch the video. He only spoke for himself.

            • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

              When one starts out with “I didn’t see the movie” we’re done.
              As I am with your two cents worth of observation.

        • DexterSka

          My bad, can you offer something for me instead?

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            I already did. A suggestion that you stay on topic. What, you need it wrapped in giftwrap and tied with a big red bow?

            • DexterSka

              Well you do capture more flies with honey…

            • DexterSka

              Speaking of off topic, are you feeling all right?

            • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

              So that’s how you play it? The fake concern card doesn’t fly here. Do you even know what ‘on topic’ means?

            • DexterSka

              I’ll take that as a no, you do not feel okay. I hope you feel better.

            • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

              Just keep on mentally masturbating your silly imagination and keep pretending the people you encounter are somehow ‘not okay.”

              Then take that fake concern, twist it into a cone shape, and shove it up your ass. Sorry to inform you that the only thing that upsets me online is the news of incompetence and assholery in our elected leaders.

              You’re nobody. You barely blip my radar, except sometimes your stupidity is amusing to respond to in hopes you wade into deeper dumbth.

            • Missionary Kid

              One of the things that I like about the Bunker is that generally people who disagree don’t resort to personal attacks. One of the problems with communicating by words posted is that they can be interpreted many different ways without the visual cues that are communicated in normal face to face communication.

              Dexter’s comment could be taken as genuine concern or as sarcasm. Somehow, that set you off.

              I’m not the Bunker police, and all i’m offering is my opinion. I also realize that one way to get someone angry is to attribute their comment to some other factor, like “time of the month” or bad day.

              I get that you’re angry that someone offered an opinion about something they didn’t watch, but I also took that they didn’t bother watching it because of the religion bashing that Mycroft wrote about.

              I agree with madame duran. “He wasn’t discussing. He merely stated that he didn’t watch it. Ease up, lady.”

              You’re entitled to take offense at anything written here, including anything I write, but… my opinion is that you’re way out of line.

              People here in the Bunker go off topic all the time. I’m guilty of it. My opinion is that Dexter was simply expressing a distaste for religion bashing, and that you decided to play Bunker cop and interpret that they had no right to comment on something they didn’t care to see.

              I won’t attribute your response to any personal problem, but I will say that I think your reaction is uncalled for, personal, and impolite.

            • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

              Thing is, I’m not angry. I do enjoy watching people making up shit about random posters they don’t even know. I’m pretty sure you were on ARS and saw clams do the exact same thing, so I don’t really respect the person who has no content and feels the need to make up shit about others instead.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m just going back to what Dexter originally posted. This isn’t ARS. Dexter has been egging you on.

              As one friend of mine said about me to another, right in front of me, “If you don’t like what he says, ignore him.” I still laugh about that, and it was about 50 years ago.

            • DexterSka

              Seriously, I heard you. You’re not feeling alright.

      • Mark Foster

        Dexter, check it out, it’s worth it. It’s heartening to see a guy who may not be as intimately familiar with and as well-informed about the subject as the readers here are actually understand how toxic scientology is. As RM says below, the “religion-bashing” bit, if one wants to call it that, is at the very end, so you can skip that.
        I’m glad the light of truth is being shined on the toxic turd known as scientology and that more people are getting accurate information about it.

        • Juicer77

          Nice to see you, Mark. xoxo

        • If I thought it was bigoted gratuitous religion bashing, I wouldn’t have posted the video. I didn’t mind the swearing either. It was just a caution for people who might watch it and be offended.

  • Ann B Watson

    Whenever I see someone like Shelly in the constant presence of handlers I can bet there is a very rotten use of policy being conducted.Even if she allowed those with her to be there,it does not speak well for the vaulted tech and the glittering OTs,that she should be in the shape she is.Another giant rip in the cloak of religion the cult wraps itself in.May the two persons who told their story stay safe.Thank you Tony.💔

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Charge of The Blight Brigade
    Half a league, half a league,
    Half a league onward,
    All in the Valley of Debt
    Rode the six hundred
    “Forward, the Blight Brigade!
    “Charge ’em well, my sons,” ‘e said
    Into the Valley of Debt
    Rode the six hundred.

    Dave goes to see a fortune teller:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UWtAZwxK5H0

  • j238

    Anyone calling law enforcement at Twin Peaks?

    • FredEX2

      Down thread Anonorange said he contacted them and they didn’t do anything. It’s a very small little town. Chances are the cult made sure to safe point them to protect their interests.

  • flyonthewall

    OT – Remember that d-bag who wrote the fake article about Scientology losing its tax exempt status? He’s getting his 15min of fame bc he’s claiming he and his fake news articles are responsible for getting Trump elected. Delusions of grandeur anyone? Watch Anderson Cooper make a fool of him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD14q96MP20

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      This has nothing to do with your post but you mentioned some band you were listening to the other day. That sent me down a 90’s music rabbit hole…didn’t realize how far back I’d gone until I was listening to “Empire” LOL

      • flyonthewall

        Queensryche? Good stuff. I love the 90s

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Yep. Listening to that whole album. ; )

        • Queensrÿche was one of my favorite bands throughout the 80s and Operation:Mindcrime is one of the best concept albums of all time. Shame they had to go thru all the legal stuff to get the rights to keep the name after they fired Tate for being a dickweed. New singer is amazing, too, and they’re back to writing killer rock tunes, now.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            I hadn’t listened to them in a long time but I’ve always liked them. ‘Empire’ is amazing in surround sound. 🙂

    • Ugh, Paul Horner. FTA! I believe he used he used to hang around on ARS back in the day, and he was a pimple then too.

      http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=15598

      • flyonthewall

        yeah I read about that. Did all kinds of dickish things like vandalizing people’s wiki pages on Scientology etc. Trolls be trollin

        • He showed up as “Fred Durks”, claiming that Scientology had drugged him. (The driving on pills and alcohol wasn’t his fault, of course.)

          • flyonthewall

            yep, that’s the one

    • Rasha

      Anderson: “Why do it?”
      Dipstick: “…ummm… I’ve been doing it for about five or six years…”

      Tells me all I need to know about this skid mark.

    • Observer

      Maybe when Trump lives up to his, er, potential, Mr D-Bag will have to flee angry mobs brandishing torches and pitchforks.

  • madame duran

    One detail that DM will have a hard time circumventing:
    To explain Shelly’s absence, the cult had once officially said that she had retreated from public life to focus more on doing church work (this was stated after she attended her father’s funeral). No reports of her looking dishevelled or being physically unwell at that time. One would assume she was mentally and physically fit to work. The trouble comes with Shelley’s continued absence from major church-related events, such as the Ideal Org openings and Tom Cruise’s wedding in 2006. Everyone else was pressured to attend so why wouldn’t she, as a staff member, show up as well? Now with this latest report of Shelly’s deteriorated state (by a non-Scientologist member of the public), this worrisome change adds to the complication.
    I’m of the opinion that Shelly will not be allowed out in public ever again. This situation isn’t so much about rescuing her (as much as I’d like that to happen); it’s about holding the authorities (police and Scientology leader David Miscavige) accountable and watching how they respond to persistent concerns. A woman who has disappeared from public life over ten years ago (but is allegedly “working”) has not visited or contacted family/friends, is not seen at work-related outings, is not in close relationship with her husband (and hasn’t filed for divorce or separation from him), is likely not getting proper medical care and living in neglect…all this is considered not worth investigating? This is somehow “normal”???
    There’s a lot of pressure building up for you, Davey (and all before Thursday 2pm!). It’s not looking or feeling good right now, I’d imagine. Remini has got your tiny testicles in a proverbial vice. Boy, with all your superpowered control of MEST, a brain aneurysm could come in handy (or would you prefer death by alcoholic poisoning)? How will you manage this mess? How will you escape a woman’s wrath? How will you face The Reckoning???
    P.S. — Why is the empty SMP studio not operating at full-steam six months after its opening? Incompetence?
    http://www.tickcounter.com/countup/1464462000000/america-los_angeles/owd/FFFFFF3B5998000000FF0000/No_On-Air_Programming_since_SMP_Grand_Opening (months, weeks, days)
    http://www.webcountdown.net/?a=ZuRrbYa (days, hours, minutes, seconds)
    Special note: Today marks Day 200!!!

    • I was going to say that the cover story for Shelly’s disappearance can’t have been taken seriously… I then realised it was being placed before people who had at least complied with the notion that Hubbard left for ‘Target Two’ in “A state exterior to the body”.

      He didn’t die – he could only continue with his ‘research’ in an incorporeal form. If you will go along with that (especially if you don’t believe it) you will go along with anything.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “I’m of the opinion that Shelly will not be allowed out in public ever again.”

      Eleven years on, it’s very unlikely that she’s going to suddenly call 911 and beg for help in escaping the only home and “family” that she’s known since she was a young girl.

      About the only way that I could see that happening would be through the intervention of, not just law enforcement following up on a missing person’s report that they closed the file on long ago, but of social services agencies who are concerned with her welfare, based on a credible, first-hand report documenting exactly why her welfare was clearly a potential concern.

      What’s interesting and potentially useful about Tony’s story today is that, if his source’s report proves credible and accurate, it would seem that there’s adequate legitimate concern about her physical condition, and questions raised about the significance of her accompaniment on two separate occasions by two male companions/minders, to warrant a a welfare check.

      When elder neglect, child abuse or trafficking victimization is suspected, it’s SOP for the authorities to interview potential victims in private in order to diminish the fear and sense of threat that they may be experiencing and which could prevent them from telling the truth about their situation. If Shelly was being held against her will, or under mental/emotional duress, and she was offered an opportunity to leave right then and there by her interviewers, she would be much more likely to take advantage of that opportunity than if the police just showed up to determine if she was alive and there of her own free will while the co-cultists that she was living with were in the same room.

      Given the circumstances of her abrupt disappearance and the very long duration of her seclusion, the fact that she was sighted twice in public in the company of two younger men suggests that she may not have been allowed out in public except with two minders, who were there to deal with any unexpected circumstances that might arise and to prevent any attempt of escape. That fact, coupled with her frail, disheveled physical appearance and her demeanor, warrant legitimate concern, especially when the history of the cult’s forced labor gulag system of re-education and thought reform is known. Had Shelly been anyone else besides lil davey’s wife, her “crimes” would have gotten her sent off to the RPF for an indeterminate sentence, like so many other top execs. But since she’s really got the goods on this evil fuck, she had to be whisked away and consigned to internal exile, while being kept isolated even from other $cilons. Where the virtual prison bars of her own belief stop and the actual physical bars of he false imprisonment may start needs to be determined by the proper authorities in the very near future.

      Although Tony’s source’s desire to remain anonymous is understandable, they should know that they can make an anonymous report to social services, stating their first-hand observations and the basis of their concerns. And I sincerely hope that they do, because hearsay reports are much less likely to be investigated than first-hand witness accounts. In the meantime, the couple in question would be wise to video any suspected surveillance attempts and keep a written log of their time, place and circumstances. Shelly is potentially the most dangerous person alive to DM, and the OSA, under his complete control, can be counted on to do whatever they’re told

  • Pezza

    This is huge news, tho it makes me sad/angry for her at the same time. ! Shelly is aging from stress and a work camp environment while her husband is pampered and gets Botox.

    • DexterSka

      It makes me remember how empty and depressing Sea Organ life is

  • O/T… I suppose he has to pay the bills when he isn’t acting out awful Hubbard stories… http://boingboing.net/2016/12/14/one-man-reads-the-night-befo.html

  • Juicer77

    Oh, God. I just watched the latest Aftermath episode. If watching Mary Kahn break down wasn’t horrific enough, i literally surprise-sobbed out loud when Mike Rinder lost it. This is like watching a granite wall fall on a puppy.

    • Rasha

      There is a real, honest reaction to someone truly crying. That was so hard to watch. There are natural emotional harmonics to true emotions.

      • Jimmy3

        Very well said. Thanks L. Rasha Hubbard.

        • Rasha

          Don’t make me bill you, JimmyJimmyJimmy…

          • Juicer77

            You want I should break his thumbs?

            • Missionary Kid

              Nah, just remove his internet access.

            • Rasha

              Ouch…

            • Juicer77

              He sneaks into the closet with his Kindle. Can’t catch him before he locks the door. Might try smoking him out next time… oh, wait.

            • Rasha

              Not “break”, no. Maybe make him eat a plate of chicken feet….

          • Jimmy3

            You have some sort of karma shield don’t you? As soon as I teased you bad things happened to me real sudden like.

            • Rasha

              Oh, that! -I mean, Huh! Ya don’t say!

            • flyonthewall

              what happened? eyeball fall out? I think something good will come your way today, do not fear

      • Juicer77

        I knew it was coming. It didn’t matter. Mike has never been anything but stoic and sometimes angry. This was a gut-punch.

        • Rasha

          Yes. It was real expression, not some damned measurement on a silly meter.

      • Jeb Burton

        I know. I hate it when ladies do it after sex. Was I that great? Certainly not that bad?

    • Draco

      Also watched today. And I also broke down when Mike did. It hit me how hard this is on him and Leah as well, listening to all those stories. Remember we only see a very small part of the whole time they spend with these people.

    • Newiga

      It hit me hard too. Wept like nobody’s business. I’m so proud of Mike and Mary for showing such raw emotion on TV.

    • Gladys Kravitz

      so did i Juicer. i actually could tell he was about to lose it but when he did…. ugh…. that was SUCH a punch in my heart.