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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2016 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-1631327&quot;&gt;Rasha&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, but that time you dropped the nuclear bomb? I&#039;m sure you feel bd n&#039; all, but the overwhelming majority of the scars of the Trump presidency will be borne by those who didn&#039;t vote for him.

He has pretty much sworn that it will be so, and that only counts intentional victims.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-1631327">Rasha</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, but that time you dropped the nuclear bomb? I&#8217;m sure you feel bd n&#8217; all, but the overwhelming majority of the scars of the Trump presidency will be borne by those who didn&#8217;t vote for him.</p>
<p>He has pretty much sworn that it will be so, and that only counts intentional victims.</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2016 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-1633380&quot;&gt;Draco&lt;/a&gt;.

Possibly the person paying this troll of a lighthouse?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-1633380">Draco</a>.</p>
<p>Possibly the person paying this troll of a lighthouse?</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2016 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-1631699&quot;&gt;arcinva&lt;/a&gt;.

You have no idea what goes on inside their marriage, or anyone else&#039;s.

Even were you a personal confidant of hers, you would still only have one side of the story.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-1631699">arcinva</a>.</p>
<p>You have no idea what goes on inside their marriage, or anyone else&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Even were you a personal confidant of hers, you would still only have one side of the story.</p>
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		By: Elizabeth Lavet		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elizabeth Lavet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-1633211&quot;&gt;Lighthouse&lt;/a&gt;.

Here is a PS to what I wrote below:  You tell me I am listening to rumor but YOU, yourself, give me rumor to listen to.  There is no proof of a smear campaign paid for by George Soros etc.  You have seen no proof of that. It is rumor, a rumor I find illogical and do not believe.  I do hope you read all I wrote in my other comment to you below and you will see I tried to be balanced and not unkind about Trump, going forward with hope he proves to be good for USA AND the WORLD..  I think I made some suggestions to you that could be helpful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-1633211">Lighthouse</a>.</p>
<p>Here is a PS to what I wrote below:  You tell me I am listening to rumor but YOU, yourself, give me rumor to listen to.  There is no proof of a smear campaign paid for by George Soros etc.  You have seen no proof of that. It is rumor, a rumor I find illogical and do not believe.  I do hope you read all I wrote in my other comment to you below and you will see I tried to be balanced and not unkind about Trump, going forward with hope he proves to be good for USA AND the WORLD..  I think I made some suggestions to you that could be helpful.</p>
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		By: Mymy88		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mymy88]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2016 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-1631593&quot;&gt;DodoTheLaser&lt;/a&gt;.

snicker, hic. I have a feeling I&#039;m going to regret this in the morning lol.  https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bcefde2d22400bfccb5258437c678c5e24a26a8d6fe15b375f51532286b7d1ae.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-1631593">DodoTheLaser</a>.</p>
<p>snicker, hic. I have a feeling I&#8217;m going to regret this in the morning lol.  <a href="https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bcefde2d22400bfccb5258437c678c5e24a26a8d6fe15b375f51532286b7d1ae.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bcefde2d22400bfccb5258437c678c5e24a26a8d6fe15b375f51532286b7d1ae.jpg</a></p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2016 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-1633617&quot;&gt;Elizabeth Lavet&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t worry about it and relax. You have a lot of good points to consider.  It is going to be looked at for a long time. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-1633617">Elizabeth Lavet</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about it and relax. You have a lot of good points to consider.  It is going to be looked at for a long time. </p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2016 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-1633639&quot;&gt;Elizabeth Lavet&lt;/a&gt;.

OK.  I think the first thing to understand is about eighteen percent of Americans voted for Trump.

I think all the reasons why is a very, very complex subject with many reasons. 

I think some of those people are racists in denial of their racism. Moderate racists usually don&#039;t see themselves as racist. They lash out at efforts for racial equality and don&#039;t even realize that subconsciously they support white supremacy. 

A lot of experiments in social psychology and neuroscience support the idea of subconscious or implicit racism. 

That&#039;s one big factor. 

I think hundreds of factors can be considered. Some of which Trump supporters will know and some they won&#039;t.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-1633639">Elizabeth Lavet</a>.</p>
<p>OK.  I think the first thing to understand is about eighteen percent of Americans voted for Trump.</p>
<p>I think all the reasons why is a very, very complex subject with many reasons. </p>
<p>I think some of those people are racists in denial of their racism. Moderate racists usually don&#8217;t see themselves as racist. They lash out at efforts for racial equality and don&#8217;t even realize that subconsciously they support white supremacy. </p>
<p>A lot of experiments in social psychology and neuroscience support the idea of subconscious or implicit racism. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s one big factor. </p>
<p>I think hundreds of factors can be considered. Some of which Trump supporters will know and some they won&#8217;t.  </p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-1633752&quot;&gt;Elizabeth Lavet&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry you had a headache.  Hope you feel better. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-1633752">Elizabeth Lavet</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry you had a headache.  Hope you feel better. </p>
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		By: Elizabeth Lavet		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elizabeth Lavet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2016 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-1632534&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

I reread what you wrote AGAIN, fifth time, and see it from a new light now.  I don&#039;t know what I was thinking.  My original response was from the library next to a girl with perfume that was giving me a terrible headache.  I cannot think around perfume.  Good grief.  Totally different view of what you wrote now.  So sorry.  Just now barely getting rid of the headache from yesterdays perfume overdose.  I should have left the building.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-1632534">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>I reread what you wrote AGAIN, fifth time, and see it from a new light now.  I don&#8217;t know what I was thinking.  My original response was from the library next to a girl with perfume that was giving me a terrible headache.  I cannot think around perfume.  Good grief.  Totally different view of what you wrote now.  So sorry.  Just now barely getting rid of the headache from yesterdays perfume overdose.  I should have left the building.</p>
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		By: Captain MustSavage		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Captain MustSavage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2016 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-1633212&quot;&gt;Lighthouse&lt;/a&gt;.

Harping &quot;on this thing&quot;.... by &quot;this thing&quot; do you mean the fact that the next president is on record as saying he&#039;s unable to restrain himself from sexually assaulting any woman he finds attractive?     

By &quot;the bigger picture&quot; do you mean the fact  that Trump&#039;s awfulness isn&#039;t limited to just rank misogyny and history of sexual assault  but also extends to racism, threatening to ban an entire religious group from the country and split up families via deportation, threatening to take away women&#039;s reproductive rights and punish them for exercising choice over their own bodies, dishonesty, lack of transparency in his financial dealings, destabilising world safety by threatening to weaken or withdraw from U.S. alliances in Europe and elsewhere while praising an expansionist dictator thereby possibly starting another nuclear proliferation race,  vindictive practices like keeping an enemies list and as an example the guy cut off the water supply to a 92 year old woman in Scotland who has to now get her daily water in a wheelbarrow because she wouldn&#039;t sell her land to him.  

So yeah, I guess if I was going to characterise Trump, I&#039;d have to think of a multi pronged description... and I see that Amy Schumer is way ahead of me when she called him an “orange, sexual-assaulting, fake-college-starting monster”.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/11/09/how-a-new-independent-church-is-trying-to-wrestle-away-control-over-the-word-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-1633212">Lighthouse</a>.</p>
<p>Harping &#8220;on this thing&#8221;&#8230;. by &#8220;this thing&#8221; do you mean the fact that the next president is on record as saying he&#8217;s unable to restrain himself from sexually assaulting any woman he finds attractive?     </p>
<p>By &#8220;the bigger picture&#8221; do you mean the fact  that Trump&#8217;s awfulness isn&#8217;t limited to just rank misogyny and history of sexual assault  but also extends to racism, threatening to ban an entire religious group from the country and split up families via deportation, threatening to take away women&#8217;s reproductive rights and punish them for exercising choice over their own bodies, dishonesty, lack of transparency in his financial dealings, destabilising world safety by threatening to weaken or withdraw from U.S. alliances in Europe and elsewhere while praising an expansionist dictator thereby possibly starting another nuclear proliferation race,  vindictive practices like keeping an enemies list and as an example the guy cut off the water supply to a 92 year old woman in Scotland who has to now get her daily water in a wheelbarrow because she wouldn&#8217;t sell her land to him.  </p>
<p>So yeah, I guess if I was going to characterise Trump, I&#8217;d have to think of a multi pronged description&#8230; and I see that Amy Schumer is way ahead of me when she called him an “orange, sexual-assaulting, fake-college-starting monster”.</p>
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