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	Comments on: DRONE FLYOVER: Scientology&#8217;s secret saucer-looking underground vault in Northern California	</title>
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		By: Newton Starsky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Newton Starsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2016 10:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Has anyone mentioned what appears to be a &#039;ham&#039; radio antenna (e.g. Second video at 7:13)?  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone mentioned what appears to be a &#8216;ham&#8217; radio antenna (e.g. Second video at 7:13)?  </p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2016 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1596524&quot;&gt;Tony Ortega&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, yes, but that is kind of the point, Tony.

When you spen several thousand dollars to have something in your film that will make it different from the others, too give you a scoop, and then a different, arguably better in some respects, FREE version pops up, it can kind of tear your heart out.

Especially when this was what you considered your brilliant comeback from having lost funding when a certain Oscar-winning documentarian showed up with a new film to hat caused all your backers to back out, and you sweet-talked them back with talk of &#039;exclusive&#039; footage of .never seen before sites&#039; and all they have to do now is google and find that thousands have the free footage?

I am not really site you&#039;ve understood the situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1596524">Tony Ortega</a>.</p>
<p>Well, yes, but that is kind of the point, Tony.</p>
<p>When you spen several thousand dollars to have something in your film that will make it different from the others, too give you a scoop, and then a different, arguably better in some respects, FREE version pops up, it can kind of tear your heart out.</p>
<p>Especially when this was what you considered your brilliant comeback from having lost funding when a certain Oscar-winning documentarian showed up with a new film to hat caused all your backers to back out, and you sweet-talked them back with talk of &#8216;exclusive&#8217; footage of .never seen before sites&#8217; and all they have to do now is google and find that thousands have the free footage?</p>
<p>I am not really site you&#8217;ve understood the situation.</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1598929&quot;&gt;Harpoona Frittata&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;locked him into a power struggle and mutual vendetta relationship with 
him that&#039;s taken precedence over his own struggle to become human once 
more by becoming sincerely contrite&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perfectly expresses my feelings on the matter. However, I think there is another influence drawing him back - he enjoyed the power over others he had in the CofS and wants it back because he cannot abandon the belief that he is a superior individual. 

That&#039;s a personal flaw, which the CofS exploit to the limit. It&#039;s tragic that he is still using that against himself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1598929">Harpoona Frittata</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>locked him into a power struggle and mutual vendetta relationship with<br />
him that&#8217;s taken precedence over his own struggle to become human once<br />
more by becoming sincerely contrite</p></blockquote>
<p>Perfectly expresses my feelings on the matter. However, I think there is another influence drawing him back &#8211; he enjoyed the power over others he had in the CofS and wants it back because he cannot abandon the belief that he is a superior individual. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a personal flaw, which the CofS exploit to the limit. It&#8217;s tragic that he is still using that against himself.</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1599032&quot;&gt;richelieu jr&lt;/a&gt;.

Perhaps you might want to email me via this page https://scicrit.wordpress.com/contact-us/ on my blog.

 I think I an suggest a better solution than a torrent ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1599032">richelieu jr</a>.</p>
<p>Perhaps you might want to email me via this page <a href="https://scicrit.wordpress.com/contact-us/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://scicrit.wordpress.com/contact-us/</a> on my blog.</p>
<p> I think I an suggest a better solution than a torrent 😉</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1596403&quot;&gt;felix&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, he sold them Scientology at&#039; a reduced rate and they are thankful.

That isn&#039;t &#039;help&#039; in my book, any more than my dealer, sharing a little smack until I &#039;got back on my feet&#039; when I got out of rehab.

Sometimes you can be so confused you mistake poison for medication and abuse for love.

Or Scientology for a religion and Marty Rathbun for a truth-steeling healer, for that matter...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1596403">felix</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, he sold them Scientology at&#8217; a reduced rate and they are thankful.</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t &#8216;help&#8217; in my book, any more than my dealer, sharing a little smack until I &#8216;got back on my feet&#8217; when I got out of rehab.</p>
<p>Sometimes you can be so confused you mistake poison for medication and abuse for love.</p>
<p>Or Scientology for a religion and Marty Rathbun for a truth-steeling healer, for that matter&#8230;</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1597545&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

I quite agree with your conception of his perception of the world... 

also, being in France, I wonder if you might tell me which torrents might have the f I&#039;ll, so that I ,Ishtar best avoid them, of course...?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1597545">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>I quite agree with your conception of his perception of the world&#8230; </p>
<p>also, being in France, I wonder if you might tell me which torrents might have the f I&#8217;ll, so that I ,Ishtar best avoid them, of course&#8230;?</p>
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		By: Noesis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noesis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 16:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1599013&quot;&gt;richelieu jr&lt;/a&gt;.

Agree completely with your point.

If it is not the obvious explanation you describe (or at least something like that)...then what is the explanation?

Marty has been asked to supply the explanation and his answers are  vague...and seemingly deliberately so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1599013">richelieu jr</a>.</p>
<p>Agree completely with your point.</p>
<p>If it is not the obvious explanation you describe (or at least something like that)&#8230;then what is the explanation?</p>
<p>Marty has been asked to supply the explanation and his answers are  vague&#8230;and seemingly deliberately so.</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1596984&quot;&gt;Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack&lt;/a&gt;.

Why no give him the power to fly and X-ray vision while you&#039;re at it?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1596984">Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack</a>.</p>
<p>Why no give him the power to fly and X-ray vision while you&#8217;re at it?</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1598053&quot;&gt;Noesis&lt;/a&gt;.

My question is this:

If Marty were to have tucked his tail between his legs and made peace with Miscavige, who then demanded Scilon Penance, with ´arty doing his alphabet soup of ´E- through Z&#039;s&#039; or whatever, what would he be doing differently?

Can anyone name one thing that goes against this? Hé&#039;S even adopting Miscavigeian phraseology, such as: &#039;provable bullshit&#039;, and &#039;black propaganda&#039; and writing screeds In defense of CoB..

Anyone?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1598053">Noesis</a>.</p>
<p>My question is this:</p>
<p>If Marty were to have tucked his tail between his legs and made peace with Miscavige, who then demanded Scilon Penance, with ´arty doing his alphabet soup of ´E- through Z&#8217;s&#8217; or whatever, what would he be doing differently?</p>
<p>Can anyone name one thing that goes against this? Hé&#8217;S even adopting Miscavigeian phraseology, such as: &#8216;provable bullshit&#8217;, and &#8216;black propaganda&#8217; and writing screeds In defense of CoB..</p>
<p>Anyone?</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1596814&quot;&gt;Kim O&#039;Brien&lt;/a&gt;.

My family is Denver... I will try and find a way to come...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/10/05/drone-flyover-scientologys-secret-saucer-looking-underground-vault-in-norhern-california/comment-page-1/#comment-1596814">Kim O&#8217;Brien</a>.</p>
<p>My family is Denver&#8230; I will try and find a way to come&#8230;</p>
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