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	Comments on: Was it something we said? Scientology wants Cindy Plahuta&#8217;s letter in fraud lawsuit struck	</title>
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		By: Andrew Kiyotaka Caesar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Kiyotaka Caesar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1524879&quot;&gt;Lucille Austero&lt;/a&gt;.

Can I hold off on that Lucille. Kind of doing my own thing but appreciate it. ^_^]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1524879">Lucille Austero</a>.</p>
<p>Can I hold off on that Lucille. Kind of doing my own thing but appreciate it. ^_^</p>
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		By: Observer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2016 16:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1526231&quot;&gt;Mark Foster&lt;/a&gt;.

I know, and I share your opinion. I am angry at Donald Trump for forcing me to vote for a Clinton, but he would be so much worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1526231">Mark Foster</a>.</p>
<p>I know, and I share your opinion. I am angry at Donald Trump for forcing me to vote for a Clinton, but he would be so much worse.</p>
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		By: beauty for ashes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beauty for ashes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2016 00:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1525912&quot;&gt;MadisonAgain&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, I&#039;ve got one recruit! &#060;3 &#060;3 &#060;3]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1525912">MadisonAgain</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve got one recruit! &lt;3 &lt;3 &lt;3</p>
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		By: John Prince		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Prince]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2016 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1525426&quot;&gt;ExCult.Jan&lt;/a&gt;.

My Super DOOPER Wog powers are unable to see why david miscarrige   loves Mongolia so much..nothing against Mongolia, they should Tar and Feather him if he shows up There! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1525426">ExCult.Jan</a>.</p>
<p>My Super DOOPER Wog powers are unable to see why david miscarrige   loves Mongolia so much..nothing against Mongolia, they should Tar and Feather him if he shows up There! </p>
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		By: Anony-Lurker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anony-Lurker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2016 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1524830&quot;&gt;Tracy Schmitz&lt;/a&gt;.

Tracy,

Yes, they are whores but not all whores do it to survive, some do it for the power others for the money and a few actually enjoy the life. 

I agree that the street prostitute trying to feed a child at home is much more honorable than a Christie or Giuliani. They don&#039;t care who they hurt as long as they get what they want. They really don&#039;t have much if any humanity. Giuliani, like Ted Cruz is finished and Christie...well every time I see his picture, I think of Poppin&#039; Fresh, the Pillsbury dough boy. Anyway, Christie is also finished and has a trial awaiting him soon.

Of course Trump doesn&#039;t give a damn and the phrase &quot;blue collar billionaire&quot; is an oxymoron, yet people totally believe every word Trump says, the more outrageous, the more they believe. 
A man, born to privilege, living his life in a penthouse with a trophy wife, children who were sent to the best prep schools and than the Ivy&#039;s and into the family business. His use of language as in: &quot;My Afro-American&quot;, &quot;My Jew son-in law&quot; etc etc. 

Today, I posted a link to an article by George Lakoff, a linguistics professor at U.C. Berkeley, which goes part of the way to explaining how the Trump phenomenon occurred. It also very much applies to Scientologists and Hubbard/Miscavige. I recommend you read it, very enlightening and a bit scary.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/understanding-trump_b_11144938.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1524830">Tracy Schmitz</a>.</p>
<p>Tracy,</p>
<p>Yes, they are whores but not all whores do it to survive, some do it for the power others for the money and a few actually enjoy the life. </p>
<p>I agree that the street prostitute trying to feed a child at home is much more honorable than a Christie or Giuliani. They don&#8217;t care who they hurt as long as they get what they want. They really don&#8217;t have much if any humanity. Giuliani, like Ted Cruz is finished and Christie&#8230;well every time I see his picture, I think of Poppin&#8217; Fresh, the Pillsbury dough boy. Anyway, Christie is also finished and has a trial awaiting him soon.</p>
<p>Of course Trump doesn&#8217;t give a damn and the phrase &#8220;blue collar billionaire&#8221; is an oxymoron, yet people totally believe every word Trump says, the more outrageous, the more they believe.<br />
A man, born to privilege, living his life in a penthouse with a trophy wife, children who were sent to the best prep schools and than the Ivy&#8217;s and into the family business. His use of language as in: &#8220;My Afro-American&#8221;, &#8220;My Jew son-in law&#8221; etc etc. </p>
<p>Today, I posted a link to an article by George Lakoff, a linguistics professor at U.C. Berkeley, which goes part of the way to explaining how the Trump phenomenon occurred. It also very much applies to Scientologists and Hubbard/Miscavige. I recommend you read it, very enlightening and a bit scary.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/understanding-trump_b_11144938.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/understanding-trump_b_11144938.html</a></p>
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		By: MadisonAgain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MadisonAgain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2016 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1524933&quot;&gt;beauty for ashes&lt;/a&gt;.

Can I join? I can&#039;t sing either. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1524933">beauty for ashes</a>.</p>
<p>Can I join? I can&#8217;t sing either. </p>
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		By: LillyPond LuLu		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LillyPond LuLu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1524978&quot;&gt;Robert Eckert&lt;/a&gt;.

Very Trippey!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1524978">Robert Eckert</a>.</p>
<p>Very Trippey!</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2016 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1525200&quot;&gt;EnthralledObserver&lt;/a&gt;.

I live in a society where guns are controlled so strictly that I have never seen any in my adult life that were not in the hands of local Royal Marines on full-kit training runs across Dartmoor. I think we are none the worse for this. 

You can&#039;t really control ideas in the same way - neither should you.  It&#039;s too easy an idea to escalate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1525200">EnthralledObserver</a>.</p>
<p>I live in a society where guns are controlled so strictly that I have never seen any in my adult life that were not in the hands of local Royal Marines on full-kit training runs across Dartmoor. I think we are none the worse for this. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t really control ideas in the same way &#8211; neither should you.  It&#8217;s too easy an idea to escalate.</p>
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		By: Sine qua non		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sine qua non]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2016 18:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1524816&quot;&gt;OOkpik&lt;/a&gt;.

IfJudge Whittemore was required to recuse himself might it actually be a positive thing for the Garcias? It seems Judge Whittemore has been rather inconsistent on this case. A new judge might not be the worst thing,  perhaps.   But of COURSE,  that&#039; s MORE delays. 

In any event,  it seems to me Wally Pope is basically saying it&#039;s wrong for the judge to maintain files with certain types of information pertaining to a case. I&#039;m not a lawyer,  but does anyone know:  can a lawyer keep files with &quot;personal research&quot;  such as newspaper clippings,  academic research and so forth as well as letters sent by knowledgeable non-litigant individuals like Cindy pertaining to a case and consider that in making their rulings?  Or are they legally bound to only consider info/evidence that is submitted through formal legal channels? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/07/22/was-it-something-we-said-scientology-wants-cindy-plahutas-letter-in-fraud-lawsuit-struck/comment-page-1/#comment-1524816">OOkpik</a>.</p>
<p>IfJudge Whittemore was required to recuse himself might it actually be a positive thing for the Garcias? It seems Judge Whittemore has been rather inconsistent on this case. A new judge might not be the worst thing,  perhaps.   But of COURSE,  that&#8217; s MORE delays. </p>
<p>In any event,  it seems to me Wally Pope is basically saying it&#8217;s wrong for the judge to maintain files with certain types of information pertaining to a case. I&#8217;m not a lawyer,  but does anyone know:  can a lawyer keep files with &#8220;personal research&#8221;  such as newspaper clippings,  academic research and so forth as well as letters sent by knowledgeable non-litigant individuals like Cindy pertaining to a case and consider that in making their rulings?  Or are they legally bound to only consider info/evidence that is submitted through formal legal channels? </p>
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		By: Sine qua non		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sine qua non]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scientology--as usual,  trying to suppress freedom of speech,  good ol&#039; fashioned letter-writing,  and now, even running away from postal carriers bearing certified mail. 😒😱 

What&#039;s next?   Perhaps Refers will be ordered to dig holes in the grassy strips between the street and the sidewalks in Downtown Clearwater.  That way,  Scientologists walking outside will have a place to easily stick their heads in the sandy soil in the event a passing motorist shouts out something critical of the cult, or a pedestrian walks by carrying a copy of The Unbreakable Miss Lovely or other COS-critical literature.  Clearly,  no Scientologist&#039;s faith is strong enough to withstand encountering anything that might possibly question Scientology&#039;s supposed perfectitude (if that&#039;s not a word it should be!)   🙉🙊🙈 Gah!  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientology&#8211;as usual,  trying to suppress freedom of speech,  good ol&#8217; fashioned letter-writing,  and now, even running away from postal carriers bearing certified mail. 😒😱 </p>
<p>What&#8217;s next?   Perhaps Refers will be ordered to dig holes in the grassy strips between the street and the sidewalks in Downtown Clearwater.  That way,  Scientologists walking outside will have a place to easily stick their heads in the sandy soil in the event a passing motorist shouts out something critical of the cult, or a pedestrian walks by carrying a copy of The Unbreakable Miss Lovely or other COS-critical literature.  Clearly,  no Scientologist&#8217;s faith is strong enough to withstand encountering anything that might possibly question Scientology&#8217;s supposed perfectitude (if that&#8217;s not a word it should be!)   🙉🙊🙈 Gah!  </p>
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