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	Comments on: Karla Zamudio on Scientology, and capturing Marc and Claire Headley in the short film &#8216;Escape&#8217;	</title>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2016 07:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/13/karla-zamudio-on-scientology-and-capturing-marc-and-claire-headley-in-the-short-film-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-1480005&quot;&gt;UhLasare&lt;/a&gt;.

This is the part I agree with, wholeheartedly.  &quot;I&#039;ve given up on respectful discourse about it.&quot;
So true, so true. You can&#039;t get a word in edgewise with some people who are convinced of their self-righteous rightness and duty to whipinto submission those who disagree with their &quot;sacred&quot;political views. 
Good thing that most who oppose the &quot;self-appointed slave masters&quot; couldn&#039;t care less about what they think or how they are trying to manipulate, badger and completely nullify them. 
It&#039;s like watching a child throwing a tantrum on Aisle 4. So what. The only people it affects are the child (in an indignant rage because no one will do what they say) and their caretaker, who is embarrassed to be associated with such juvenile, asinine  conduct.
So sad. So sad. We could all share knowledge and come to new awarenesses but the yelling is just too loud.

Thank you, Elton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3nScN89Klo]]></description>
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<p>This is the part I agree with, wholeheartedly.  &#8220;I&#8217;ve given up on respectful discourse about it.&#8221;<br />
So true, so true. You can&#8217;t get a word in edgewise with some people who are convinced of their self-righteous rightness and duty to whipinto submission those who disagree with their &#8220;sacred&#8221;political views.<br />
Good thing that most who oppose the &#8220;self-appointed slave masters&#8221; couldn&#8217;t care less about what they think or how they are trying to manipulate, badger and completely nullify them.<br />
It&#8217;s like watching a child throwing a tantrum on Aisle 4. So what. The only people it affects are the child (in an indignant rage because no one will do what they say) and their caretaker, who is embarrassed to be associated with such juvenile, asinine  conduct.<br />
So sad. So sad. We could all share knowledge and come to new awarenesses but the yelling is just too loud.</p>
<p>Thank you, Elton<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3nScN89Klo" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3nScN89Klo</a></p>
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		By: Eivol Ekdal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eivol Ekdal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 03:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/13/karla-zamudio-on-scientology-and-capturing-marc-and-claire-headley-in-the-short-film-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-1479591&quot;&gt;L. Wrong Hubturd&lt;/a&gt;.

It was bugging me...
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<p>It was bugging me&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wa1bm2caDQ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wa1bm2caDQ</a></p>
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		By: L. Wrong Hubturd		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 21:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/13/karla-zamudio-on-scientology-and-capturing-marc-and-claire-headley-in-the-short-film-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-1479692&quot;&gt;beauty for ashes&lt;/a&gt;.

Dallas org]]></description>
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<p>Dallas org</p>
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		By: BraveBloggers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BraveBloggers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/13/karla-zamudio-on-scientology-and-capturing-marc-and-claire-headley-in-the-short-film-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-1480266&quot;&gt;Sine qua non&lt;/a&gt;.

Do you mean long John silvers?]]></description>
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<p>Do you mean long John silvers?</p>
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		By: Juicer77		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/13/karla-zamudio-on-scientology-and-capturing-marc-and-claire-headley-in-the-short-film-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-1480097&quot;&gt;Liberated&lt;/a&gt;.

dunno! Will have to try it. ;)]]></description>
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<p>dunno! Will have to try it. 😉</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/13/karla-zamudio-on-scientology-and-capturing-marc-and-claire-headley-in-the-short-film-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-1479732&quot;&gt;mikecrosby&lt;/a&gt;.

There is no doubt that the HuffPost and Salon(where it is really getting on my nerves at times) have a clear, clear POV from what American call &quot;Left Wing&quot; but which in most of the rest of the democratic countries in the world is considered near extreme right (and another tip for FOX-watchers trying to blame Hitler on the left just like Hubbard tried to pin the Holocaust on the Psychiatrists: Over here (I am French, so I a side you think I&#039;m surrendering to the newest country right now whilst eating cheese on paid vacation, but instead I have just come from my personal doctor who I chose and has beenone for 23 years. He dropped me off in his 1968 black jaguar convertible (because no one can make any money here as a doc here,right?) and I&#039;m eating some lovely Thai food.)
So here&#039;s your findact: when we say &#039;Liberal&#039; or &#039;Liberalism&#039;, it means Reagan, Thatcher, Bush and W, etc and their trickle-down economy exploder system. This is true. And Hitler&#039;s Nation Socialist Party was first of all a organizing system, neither left nor right, second of all taken over by the Nazis,mum ha s when you call CAN (the Cult Awareness Network) to get info onScintology, it has been taken over by the Scilons and so they will tell you how it is not a cult. But you see, it is no longer the g. Then
Simple, goals, orientation and morality changed. Only the name stays and that was tontrickmpeople who key pay attention To appearances. Michel lire the Republican Party tuât Freed thé slaves a ceinture ans ahalf âge, jas mutante sèvreras Times since, as havé the Democrats Whois usée tout be te shameful&#039;mzrty ou white ressentiment And southern ´Pride&#039; (ie the right to pre,tend they didn&#039;t get their asses kicked and can still treat people with darker skin like second-class citizens, beat and kill them, make them. Work for nothing, make it harder for them to vote, immediately publicly take the side of any white yahoo. Who kills any young African American (perhaps even Trump&#039;s own African American? I hear he&#039;s &quot;Great, Really fantastic!&quot;) before the facts are in.

HuffPost and Saloni,met , have an axe to grind, but news didn&#039;t used to be like that, until Roger Ailes fulfilled his and Nixon&#039;s dream to found FOX. And now with Palin and Trump they are reaping the harvest as we all pay the price.

Listen, Inxan tell you honestly, I have listened to Trump&#039;s speeches from beginning to end. The elevator one was live on TV man! 
I was even present at one of his &quot;speeches&quot;. (Two, if you count he last time when God announced he was sending &quot;top detectives&quot; to prove Obama want born in the US.)

I would estimate that both &quot;speeches&quot; together used upwards of 150 words. That is just my estimate.

Listen, I actual agree, even as one of those who invokes Voldetrump&#039;s name on occasion, that this is pretty poor place for politics, with the exception of helping ex-Scilons separate the finge, Jkhn birch Society, Red-Baiting paranoid world view Hubbard inflicted on them as they try to learn to speak English again, and find out what they, personally, really   And Hubbard and his ass-based research and &quot;make money make money make more money to make others make more money!&quot; Philosophy. It. Isn&#039;t that hard to see,minor ven for Trump snippet , I would imagine. Perhaps you think, yes, OK, there is a superficial resemblance, but Trump is the real deal and tells the truth. It ksnt a fantasy based on lies.

I which case I would advise you to NOT give into donating cash on his donation buttons as he was clear he was going to do this himself, track down the Birth Certificae he said he had onObama, or even the &quot;crack investigators he sent to Hawaii.

Better he. I will personally pay you one dollar for every one of the &quot;thousands of Muslim dancing and celebrating in the streets  9/11&#039; in Brooklyn. Thousands means at least two, it if you can prove it was real,he&#039;ll I will
Any if you find 20k... But no Scilon-style Photoshopping or funny accounting (hmm.. That makes me think of your man Trump too, I wonder why?&quot;

Do I t! Let&#039;s see some facts instead of hints that we don&#039;t read or watch speeches. 

One more question,,if I may be so bold- are you an ex, or a nerve-in like myself? No judge,net implied, just curious.

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*Inuse the term &quot;speeches&quot; loosely, as as leech is usual an organized discourse with a premise them, eloboration, and then acorn lesion that pulls it all together in the end. Trump gives more a sort of loosely-themed, rambling monologue, pulling fact from nowhere, citing incidents that absolutely probably never happened, calling for someon to find HIS African-American, etc... It is somewhere between stand up comedy, a show-big pitch, and a revival meeting where Jesus. Isn&#039;t the star, Trump is, and no one gets their wounds healed, but anyone of differing opinion gets wounded by a bunch of heels as Trump call sod evidence and offers to pay their legal bills.

These things happens. Huffington, or Lefty Salon, or the supposedly left-wing NYT only reported it (and they aren&#039;t in the business of reporting while speeches, especially when they are soshambolic and rambling.]]></description>
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<p>There is no doubt that the HuffPost and Salon(where it is really getting on my nerves at times) have a clear, clear POV from what American call &#8220;Left Wing&#8221; but which in most of the rest of the democratic countries in the world is considered near extreme right (and another tip for FOX-watchers trying to blame Hitler on the left just like Hubbard tried to pin the Holocaust on the Psychiatrists: Over here (I am French, so I a side you think I&#8217;m surrendering to the newest country right now whilst eating cheese on paid vacation, but instead I have just come from my personal doctor who I chose and has beenone for 23 years. He dropped me off in his 1968 black jaguar convertible (because no one can make any money here as a doc here,right?) and I&#8217;m eating some lovely Thai food.)<br />
So here&#8217;s your findact: when we say &#8216;Liberal&#8217; or &#8216;Liberalism&#8217;, it means Reagan, Thatcher, Bush and W, etc and their trickle-down economy exploder system. This is true. And Hitler&#8217;s Nation Socialist Party was first of all a organizing system, neither left nor right, second of all taken over by the Nazis,mum ha s when you call CAN (the Cult Awareness Network) to get info onScintology, it has been taken over by the Scilons and so they will tell you how it is not a cult. But you see, it is no longer the g. Then<br />
Simple, goals, orientation and morality changed. Only the name stays and that was tontrickmpeople who key pay attention To appearances. Michel lire the Republican Party tuât Freed thé slaves a ceinture ans ahalf âge, jas mutante sèvreras Times since, as havé the Democrats Whois usée tout be te shameful&#8217;mzrty ou white ressentiment And southern ´Pride&#8217; (ie the right to pre,tend they didn&#8217;t get their asses kicked and can still treat people with darker skin like second-class citizens, beat and kill them, make them. Work for nothing, make it harder for them to vote, immediately publicly take the side of any white yahoo. Who kills any young African American (perhaps even Trump&#8217;s own African American? I hear he&#8217;s &#8220;Great, Really fantastic!&#8221;) before the facts are in.</p>
<p>HuffPost and Saloni,met , have an axe to grind, but news didn&#8217;t used to be like that, until Roger Ailes fulfilled his and Nixon&#8217;s dream to found FOX. And now with Palin and Trump they are reaping the harvest as we all pay the price.</p>
<p>Listen, Inxan tell you honestly, I have listened to Trump&#8217;s speeches from beginning to end. The elevator one was live on TV man!<br />
I was even present at one of his &#8220;speeches&#8221;. (Two, if you count he last time when God announced he was sending &#8220;top detectives&#8221; to prove Obama want born in the US.)</p>
<p>I would estimate that both &#8220;speeches&#8221; together used upwards of 150 words. That is just my estimate.</p>
<p>Listen, I actual agree, even as one of those who invokes Voldetrump&#8217;s name on occasion, that this is pretty poor place for politics, with the exception of helping ex-Scilons separate the finge, Jkhn birch Society, Red-Baiting paranoid world view Hubbard inflicted on them as they try to learn to speak English again, and find out what they, personally, really   And Hubbard and his ass-based research and &#8220;make money make money make more money to make others make more money!&#8221; Philosophy. It. Isn&#8217;t that hard to see,minor ven for Trump snippet , I would imagine. Perhaps you think, yes, OK, there is a superficial resemblance, but Trump is the real deal and tells the truth. It ksnt a fantasy based on lies.</p>
<p>I which case I would advise you to NOT give into donating cash on his donation buttons as he was clear he was going to do this himself, track down the Birth Certificae he said he had onObama, or even the &#8220;crack investigators he sent to Hawaii.</p>
<p>Better he. I will personally pay you one dollar for every one of the &#8220;thousands of Muslim dancing and celebrating in the streets  9/11&#8242; in Brooklyn. Thousands means at least two, it if you can prove it was real,he&#8217;ll I will<br />
Any if you find 20k&#8230; But no Scilon-style Photoshopping or funny accounting (hmm.. That makes me think of your man Trump too, I wonder why?&#8221;</p>
<p>Do I t! Let&#8217;s see some facts instead of hints that we don&#8217;t read or watch speeches. </p>
<p>One more question,,if I may be so bold- are you an ex, or a nerve-in like myself? No judge,net implied, just curious.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>*Inuse the term &#8220;speeches&#8221; loosely, as as leech is usual an organized discourse with a premise them, eloboration, and then acorn lesion that pulls it all together in the end. Trump gives more a sort of loosely-themed, rambling monologue, pulling fact from nowhere, citing incidents that absolutely probably never happened, calling for someon to find HIS African-American, etc&#8230; It is somewhere between stand up comedy, a show-big pitch, and a revival meeting where Jesus. Isn&#8217;t the star, Trump is, and no one gets their wounds healed, but anyone of differing opinion gets wounded by a bunch of heels as Trump call sod evidence and offers to pay their legal bills.</p>
<p>These things happens. Huffington, or Lefty Salon, or the supposedly left-wing NYT only reported it (and they aren&#8217;t in the business of reporting while speeches, especially when they are soshambolic and rambling.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2016 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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To misquote our Jewish friends: &quot;Next Year, in Clearwater!&quot;

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<p>To misquote our Jewish friends: &#8220;Next Year, in Clearwater!&#8221;</p>
<p>xxoo and a big bear hug.</p>
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 That is genuine Goldenrod. I wish I could give it to you in person. ]]></description>
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<p> That is genuine Goldenrod. I wish I could give it to you in person. </p>
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dang, didn&#039;t realize that&#039;s not an immediate reflex for everyone &#039;round these parts  :( 
as long as you eventually got the intended result, that&#039;s all that matters ;)]]></description>
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<p>dang, didn&#8217;t realize that&#8217;s not an immediate reflex for everyone &#8217;round these parts  🙁<br />
as long as you eventually got the intended result, that&#8217;s all that matters 😉</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/13/karla-zamudio-on-scientology-and-capturing-marc-and-claire-headley-in-the-short-film-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-1480070&quot;&gt;Spike Robinson&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe next year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/13/karla-zamudio-on-scientology-and-capturing-marc-and-claire-headley-in-the-short-film-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-1480070">Spike Robinson</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe next year.</p>
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