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	Comments on: Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard&#8217;s tall tales about himself never get old	</title>
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		By: nicholas_jordan456		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2016 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1468172&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

impossible to understand or interpret for most yes I do and took the posting of the work here to be an indice which I should attain work on and did • just within the last few days an interlocutor in Black Mountian ( monte negro ) fixes me up with an account that is open to my flirtation and to drive it in i create  phenomenon known as ball lightning — which shows on video ▬ do it all the time]]></description>
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<p>impossible to understand or interpret for most yes I do and took the posting of the work here to be an indice which I should attain work on and did • just within the last few days an interlocutor in Black Mountian ( monte negro ) fixes me up with an account that is open to my flirtation and to drive it in i create  phenomenon known as ball lightning — which shows on video ▬ do it all the time</p>
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		By: nicholas_jordan456		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2016 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1468075&quot;&gt;salin&lt;/a&gt;.

I promised TO that I would not bother them and since this has occurred have given thought to this along with a range of advises ▬ linguistics is a definite  barrier yet I had as an agenda what came to be here as expected my undoing of what I had intended to achieve

Clearly - long before I either met the work nor had any reason to know details of fact I could discern how some things would occur in the activity. I was not here to achieve acceptance by the lot and if I got thrown off then I got thrown off ~ to do reduced work would not serve what the Marine did by standing up to their overdone errant eagerness]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1468075">salin</a>.</p>
<p>I promised TO that I would not bother them and since this has occurred have given thought to this along with a range of advises ▬ linguistics is a definite  barrier yet I had as an agenda what came to be here as expected my undoing of what I had intended to achieve</p>
<p>Clearly &#8211; long before I either met the work nor had any reason to know details of fact I could discern how some things would occur in the activity. I was not here to achieve acceptance by the lot and if I got thrown off then I got thrown off ~ to do reduced work would not serve what the Marine did by standing up to their overdone errant eagerness</p>
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		By: jazzlover		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1490071</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2016 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1490025&quot;&gt;Spike Robinson&lt;/a&gt;.

No problem, Spike.  Hope you had fun!  Email a comin&#039;.  For a variety of reasons, I don&#039;t do Facebook ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1490025">Spike Robinson</a>.</p>
<p>No problem, Spike.  Hope you had fun!  Email a comin&#8217;.  For a variety of reasons, I don&#8217;t do Facebook 😉</p>
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		By: Spike Robinson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2016 12:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1487956&quot;&gt;jazzlover&lt;/a&gt;.

HI - I was out in the woods camping so didn&#039;t get this message until today.

You can friend me under the same handle on Facebook, or e-mail me at spikesworld19@yahoo.com. I&#039;ll do the best to give you as unbiased an ear as possible; one is pleased to be of service. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1487956">jazzlover</a>.</p>
<p>HI &#8211; I was out in the woods camping so didn&#8217;t get this message until today.</p>
<p>You can friend me under the same handle on Facebook, or e-mail me at <a href="mailto:spikesworld19@yahoo.com">spikesworld19@yahoo.com</a>. I&#8217;ll do the best to give you as unbiased an ear as possible; one is pleased to be of service. 🙂</p>
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		By: jazzlover		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2016 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1467840&quot;&gt;Spike Robinson&lt;/a&gt;.

Spike - I finally got around to reading your blog yesterday.  All I can say is that your story is heartbreaking and inspirational at the same time.  What I&#039;ve come to realize is that people who have been through shit usually know more than a lot of others.  I could use a fresh, unbiased perspective on something I&#039;m going through.  All I&#039;m getting right now is a bunch of biased noise.  I was wondering if you&#039;d have time for an email or a phone call (probably easier).  I also read your other posts, and I agree with everything you said.  You might also be interested in my personal observations.  Let me know, and I promise - no expectations or ill intent - John]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1467840">Spike Robinson</a>.</p>
<p>Spike &#8211; I finally got around to reading your blog yesterday.  All I can say is that your story is heartbreaking and inspirational at the same time.  What I&#8217;ve come to realize is that people who have been through shit usually know more than a lot of others.  I could use a fresh, unbiased perspective on something I&#8217;m going through.  All I&#8217;m getting right now is a bunch of biased noise.  I was wondering if you&#8217;d have time for an email or a phone call (probably easier).  I also read your other posts, and I agree with everything you said.  You might also be interested in my personal observations.  Let me know, and I promise &#8211; no expectations or ill intent &#8211; John</p>
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		By: nicholas_jordan456		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1468172&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

This is clumsy to use but clicking around to try to find where I am at it appears T/O is on the top of the thread.

After review he was gonna kick me off but narrowly on what you say—assuming I am no longer on the front-row—my posting of Sheryl Crow here-on the conversation here-has a narrow; precise motif &#038; focus on precisely what you say.

I arrive at Dallas Mission circa 77 or so. I walk in &#038; tell them I should go directly to advanced work as I recognize this▬it is not my 1-st Time doing this. Promptly I am on TR-0 and blow mass on entity whom in the present goes by the moniker Sheryl ~ hence the directly-focused nature of the art of Sheryl Crow provides an exemplary and direct metaphor. So like blowing mass on incident withing the last 100,000 years or whatever &#038; not even examining Futures ~ huh? What did I miss? 

understand the pure essence of the matter?

Maybe i do, better than you know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1468172">OTVIIIisGrrr8!</a>.</p>
<p>This is clumsy to use but clicking around to try to find where I am at it appears T/O is on the top of the thread.</p>
<p>After review he was gonna kick me off but narrowly on what you say—assuming I am no longer on the front-row—my posting of Sheryl Crow here-on the conversation here-has a narrow; precise motif &amp; focus on precisely what you say.</p>
<p>I arrive at Dallas Mission circa 77 or so. I walk in &amp; tell them I should go directly to advanced work as I recognize this▬it is not my 1-st Time doing this. Promptly I am on TR-0 and blow mass on entity whom in the present goes by the moniker Sheryl ~ hence the directly-focused nature of the art of Sheryl Crow provides an exemplary and direct metaphor. So like blowing mass on incident withing the last 100,000 years or whatever &amp; not even examining Futures ~ huh? What did I miss? </p>
<p>understand the pure essence of the matter?</p>
<p>Maybe i do, better than you know.</p>
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		By: nicholas_jordan456		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1468172&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khrx-zrG460&#038;list=RDkhrx-zrG460&#038;index=1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1468172">OTVIIIisGrrr8!</a>.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khrx-zrG460&#038;list=RDkhrx-zrG460&#038;index=1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khrx-zrG460&#038;list=RDkhrx-zrG460&#038;index=1</a></p>
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		By: nicholas_jordan456		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1468172&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, that thing. The heart ( flows just above the G.E. &#038; balancing all the energies ) 

Well yeah that is lacking in me but I wear it on my face due to what I read documented in OT-2 ▬ so I&#039;m a ( stuff like I discussed with Martin Leufray III and is a known issue ) 

I run on  pure essence ~ sometimes it is needful to avoid the matter of material.

MEST in Hubbards documentation ▬ so like if I do what I did yesterday: Strong heart-flow for couple whom is trying to make it—does that put food on the table?

No, and I am non-hesitant to throw pure-evil—if that is what it takes to get the cake. 

Like I shut down ( a person ) whom is some 4,773 miles away—whom I had played with some 5-years before the person is born.

Screen goes blank; they state I harmed her daughter; whom had been reported to me to be able to handle evil well; And like I am wondering what the fuck is the issue with people? 

To be able to operate—as a being—unencumbered by limitations of ( flesh ) does not perforce make and prove that heart is the total and sum of things.

a/k/a Love is not the answer. Handy but does not put food on the table.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1468172">OTVIIIisGrrr8!</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, that thing. The heart ( flows just above the G.E. &amp; balancing all the energies ) </p>
<p>Well yeah that is lacking in me but I wear it on my face due to what I read documented in OT-2 ▬ so I&#8217;m a ( stuff like I discussed with Martin Leufray III and is a known issue ) </p>
<p>I run on  pure essence ~ sometimes it is needful to avoid the matter of material.</p>
<p>MEST in Hubbards documentation ▬ so like if I do what I did yesterday: Strong heart-flow for couple whom is trying to make it—does that put food on the table?</p>
<p>No, and I am non-hesitant to throw pure-evil—if that is what it takes to get the cake. </p>
<p>Like I shut down ( a person ) whom is some 4,773 miles away—whom I had played with some 5-years before the person is born.</p>
<p>Screen goes blank; they state I harmed her daughter; whom had been reported to me to be able to handle evil well; And like I am wondering what the fuck is the issue with people? </p>
<p>To be able to operate—as a being—unencumbered by limitations of ( flesh ) does not perforce make and prove that heart is the total and sum of things.</p>
<p>a/k/a Love is not the answer. Handy but does not put food on the table.</p>
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		By: nicholas_jordan456		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1468093&quot;&gt;salin&lt;/a&gt;.

You are posting factual observations on the intent, as I constructed my reply.

1] facetiousness—where used by authority—has an «acceptance» tensor which is dependent on a) how the authority views respondents take on subservience to authority ~ irrelevant of the value of what is provided. This is discussed correctly in Ron M-s book Ruthless.  In that context he speak of a 2-value bi-polar single metric of ( see the book for what it says ) thence, value of Command ( in any structure ) arrives at a dependency on correctness of decisions provided; irrelevant of the correctness of decisions provided▬facetiousness is not tolerated:

Orders are given, they happen.

2] Yes. The authoritarian system of CoS facetious comment would be accepted as a normal question/statement where total-compliance is the obvious objective of what is given and is totally consistent with an overall wold-view by both interlocutors.

▬▬▬▬We have to realize that I observe images from War Zones that most cannot tolerate; and am holding back on some things which do not arrive at an efficient discussion of what you ask—where sudden interruption of the session may occur or occur later by the CoS system/regime to be inconsistent with what Hubbard describes in his pre-OT3 through pre-OT7 

One is not required to pass those exercises or drills or whatever it is; but I have seen products of the work &#038; results are consistently safer to work with in some areas which are not  available to the mind of the person whom has not done those materials yet facetiousness in and of it&#039;s own does not provide what those materials do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1468093">salin</a>.</p>
<p>You are posting factual observations on the intent, as I constructed my reply.</p>
<p>1] facetiousness—where used by authority—has an «acceptance» tensor which is dependent on a) how the authority views respondents take on subservience to authority ~ irrelevant of the value of what is provided. This is discussed correctly in Ron M-s book Ruthless.  In that context he speak of a 2-value bi-polar single metric of ( see the book for what it says ) thence, value of Command ( in any structure ) arrives at a dependency on correctness of decisions provided; irrelevant of the correctness of decisions provided▬facetiousness is not tolerated:</p>
<p>Orders are given, they happen.</p>
<p>2] Yes. The authoritarian system of CoS facetious comment would be accepted as a normal question/statement where total-compliance is the obvious objective of what is given and is totally consistent with an overall wold-view by both interlocutors.</p>
<p>▬▬▬▬We have to realize that I observe images from War Zones that most cannot tolerate; and am holding back on some things which do not arrive at an efficient discussion of what you ask—where sudden interruption of the session may occur or occur later by the CoS system/regime to be inconsistent with what Hubbard describes in his pre-OT3 through pre-OT7 </p>
<p>One is not required to pass those exercises or drills or whatever it is; but I have seen products of the work &amp; results are consistently safer to work with in some areas which are not  available to the mind of the person whom has not done those materials yet facetiousness in and of it&#8217;s own does not provide what those materials do.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/06/02/scientology-founder-l-ron-hubbards-tall-tales-about-himself-never-get-old/comment-page-2/#comment-1468172&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

I think one of the mods was about to block me but I will try it anyway due to your clarity where you are asking the question: Yes.]]></description>
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<p>I think one of the mods was about to block me but I will try it anyway due to your clarity where you are asking the question: Yes.</p>
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