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	Comments on: Scientology pampered some of its big donors with a trip back in time to Phoenix in 1954	</title>
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		By: Pomchop		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For wealthy patrons they are not concerned about donating money. All give to charities of one form or another. If not Scientology then something else. Donations do not affect their survival level or lifestyle in the least. Money comes in faster than it goes out because money makes money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For wealthy patrons they are not concerned about donating money. All give to charities of one form or another. If not Scientology then something else. Donations do not affect their survival level or lifestyle in the least. Money comes in faster than it goes out because money makes money.</p>
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		By: RGN		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RGN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amazing people are still not Googling Scientology to fall for this stuff. Great post, great community.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing people are still not Googling Scientology to fall for this stuff. Great post, great community.</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1371278</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2016 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370827&quot;&gt;Dice&lt;/a&gt;.

And replied to...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370827">Dice</a>.</p>
<p>And replied to&#8230;</p>
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		By: Dice		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370827</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2016 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370703&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

Mail send to your site.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370703">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>Mail send to your site.</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370703</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2016 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370351&quot;&gt;Dice&lt;/a&gt;.

Unfortunately, I&#039;m in the UK, and postage from the US on this kind of item can be very high. The pamphlet does not seem to have been available over here, either, so it&#039;s not on the local versions of eBay, Amazon or Abe.

Scanning it and collating the images into a  .pdf document  is not a problem. The problem seems to be sending it to right place (mine) at a reasonable cost.

Let me think about this...

You can contact me through https://scicrit.wordpress.com/contact-us/ so we can continue this conversation through email.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370351">Dice</a>.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I&#8217;m in the UK, and postage from the US on this kind of item can be very high. The pamphlet does not seem to have been available over here, either, so it&#8217;s not on the local versions of eBay, Amazon or Abe.</p>
<p>Scanning it and collating the images into a  .pdf document  is not a problem. The problem seems to be sending it to right place (mine) at a reasonable cost.</p>
<p>Let me think about this&#8230;</p>
<p>You can contact me through <a href="https://scicrit.wordpress.com/contact-us/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://scicrit.wordpress.com/contact-us/</a> so we can continue this conversation through email.</p>
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		By: Amrita Sharma		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amrita Sharma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2016 11:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, for the last couple of years, Scientologists who have already been 
hit up for Ideal Orgs and book campaigns and volunteer minister 
operations and their own courses and counseling have a new opportunity 
to fork over even more money.

http://www.palmreadingastrology.com/how-to-know-about-your-spouse-through-palmistry/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, for the last couple of years, Scientologists who have already been<br />
hit up for Ideal Orgs and book campaigns and volunteer minister<br />
operations and their own courses and counseling have a new opportunity<br />
to fork over even more money.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.palmreadingastrology.com/how-to-know-about-your-spouse-through-palmistry/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.palmreadingastrology.com/how-to-know-about-your-spouse-through-palmistry/</a></p>
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		By: Dice		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2016 09:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370346&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

If you do it and i send you the money? The one on amazon seems to be legit, but the delivery is way more than the book and i basically don&#039;t need it but only want the text.  I can pay you up front using banktransfer-paypal-bitcoins etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370346">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>If you do it and i send you the money? The one on amazon seems to be legit, but the delivery is way more than the book and i basically don&#8217;t need it but only want the text.  I can pay you up front using banktransfer-paypal-bitcoins etc.</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2016 07:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370171&quot;&gt;Dice&lt;/a&gt;.

If there isn&#039;t a scan on a private torrent site assume that any download that requires you to register or pay is a scam. i&#039;ve never seen one tht isn&#039;t. 

As far as I am aware, there isn&#039;t a hardback - this was a pamphlet. There are at least two books by respected authors with the same title, so be careful you aren&#039;t looking at one of them, instead. 

I&#039;ve seen copies on eBay for $12, so that &#039;s a reasonable guide price. Very much more than that, and the vendor is reaching. To buy a physical copy, I would advise patience. They are rare - but still turn up now and again. Bide your time and find a good copy at a reasonable price. 

As for scans, many sites automatically scan book titles, then offer them at random, so that their site will appear in a google search. They don&#039;t have any of the texts, they just want to draw in as many people as possible. These tactics are also used to spread viruses and Trojans (so make sure your anti-virus it up-to-date and do a right-click scan of anything you download).  

I find that good sources include torrent sites, sites run by Independent Scientologists (e.g. Matrix Files) Wikileaks and deep searches of old posts to well-established discussion groups like &quot;Why we Protest&quot;. I can&#039;t find anything there, but it&#039;s on my search list.

Finding such rare things is a difficult and time-consuming occupation, dominated by scams and dead ends. My online collection is so random because it&#039;s preserving what is out there - and that depends on what activists find to post, and the insividual interests of people like yourself.

 If you really want to see this &lt;i&gt;particuar&lt;/I&gt; text again and are prepared to spend around $12 + shipping to get it, that would be safer, and save you a lot of time and trouble.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370171">Dice</a>.</p>
<p>If there isn&#8217;t a scan on a private torrent site assume that any download that requires you to register or pay is a scam. i&#8217;ve never seen one tht isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>As far as I am aware, there isn&#8217;t a hardback &#8211; this was a pamphlet. There are at least two books by respected authors with the same title, so be careful you aren&#8217;t looking at one of them, instead. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen copies on eBay for $12, so that &#8216;s a reasonable guide price. Very much more than that, and the vendor is reaching. To buy a physical copy, I would advise patience. They are rare &#8211; but still turn up now and again. Bide your time and find a good copy at a reasonable price. </p>
<p>As for scans, many sites automatically scan book titles, then offer them at random, so that their site will appear in a google search. They don&#8217;t have any of the texts, they just want to draw in as many people as possible. These tactics are also used to spread viruses and Trojans (so make sure your anti-virus it up-to-date and do a right-click scan of anything you download).  </p>
<p>I find that good sources include torrent sites, sites run by Independent Scientologists (e.g. Matrix Files) Wikileaks and deep searches of old posts to well-established discussion groups like &#8220;Why we Protest&#8221;. I can&#8217;t find anything there, but it&#8217;s on my search list.</p>
<p>Finding such rare things is a difficult and time-consuming occupation, dominated by scams and dead ends. My online collection is so random because it&#8217;s preserving what is out there &#8211; and that depends on what activists find to post, and the insividual interests of people like yourself.</p>
<p> If you really want to see this <i>particuar</i> text again and are prepared to spend around $12 + shipping to get it, that would be safer, and save you a lot of time and trouble.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2016 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370173&quot;&gt;Miss Tia&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh.. I just felt like I disappointed you.. You have put so much work in organizing everything. 

So I guess I should have said Disappointed instead of mad.. xo .. baby]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370173">Miss Tia</a>.</p>
<p>Oh.. I just felt like I disappointed you.. You have put so much work in organizing everything. </p>
<p>So I guess I should have said Disappointed instead of mad.. xo .. baby</p>
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		By: L. Wrong Hubturd		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L. Wrong Hubturd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2016 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370174&quot;&gt;Miss Tia&lt;/a&gt;.

Just tried again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/03/29/scientology-pampered-some-of-its-big-donors-with-a-trip-back-in-time-to-phoenix-in-1954/comment-page-2/#comment-1370174">Miss Tia</a>.</p>
<p>Just tried again.</p>
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